Wikibooks enwikibooks https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Main_Page MediaWiki 1.47.0-wmf.20 first-letter Media Special Talk User User talk Wikibooks Wikibooks talk File File talk MediaWiki MediaWiki talk Template Template talk Help Help talk Category Category talk Cookbook Cookbook talk Transwiki Transwiki talk Wikijunior Wikijunior talk Subject Subject talk TimedText TimedText talk Module Module talk Event Event talk 4 385 4671666 4671164 2026-09-21T23:51:20Z TechVindicator 3626296 /* A-level Computing AQA Paper 1 Skeleton program 2027 */ new section 4671666 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ [[Category:Wikibooks deletion|{{PAGENAME}}]] {{Discussion Rooms}} {{TOCleft}} {{shortcut|WB:RFD}} {{Requests for deletion/New deletion}} {{Requests for deletion/Deletion intro}} <!-- New deletion nominations go at the bottom of page. --> == [[Salute, Jonathan!]] and its translations == <div style="column-count: 7;"> * [[Salute, Jonathan!|Interlingue/Occidental]] ([[w:en:Occidental|w]], original) * [[Òla, Ionatà!|Audià]] * [[Holo, Jonathan!|Cristianés]] * [[Terve, Jonathan!|Ekumenski]] * [[Hej, Jonathan! (Germanisch)|Germanisch]] * [[Salom, Jonatan!|Globasa]] * [[Àlŏ, Jonathan!|Guosa]] ([[w:en:Guosa|w]]) * [[Salut, Jonathan!|Idiom Neutral]] ([[w:en:Idiom Neutral|w]]) * [[Saluto, Jonathan! (Ido)|Ido]] ([[w:en:Ido|w]]) * [[Hallo, Jonathan!|Interlingua]] ([[w:en:Interlingua|w]]) * [[Salut, Jonathan! (Interocidental)|Interocidental]] * [[Bune Ğonatan!|Lingaust]] * [[Oila, Jonatan!|Lingue Simple]] * [[Haloo, Jonatan!|Lingwa de Planeta]] ([[w:en:Lingwa de Planeta|w]]) * [[Sin Chao, Jonathan!|Masa Tang]] * [[Salut, ionatano!|Meteza]] * [[Salu, Jon!|Mini]] * [[Hay, Jonathan!|Mirad]] * [[Hai, Jon!|Monav]] * [[Sesan Jon!|Monkel]] * [[Salam, Jonathan!|Mundeze]] * [[Dag, Jonathan!|Negerhollands]] ([[w:en:Negerhollands|w]]) * [[Salut Jonathan!|Neo]] ([[w:en:Neo|w]]) * [[Hej, Jonathan!|Nordien]] * [[Saluto, Jonathan!|Novial]] ([[w:en:Novial|w]]) * [[Salute, Jonathan! (Novlingue)|Novlingue]] * [[Alo, Jonathan!|Numo]] * [[Hela, Jonathan!|Proyo]] * [[Salute, Jonathan! (Romanica)|Romanica]] ([[w:en:Romanica|w]]) * [[Simi, Jonathan!|Solresol]] ([[w:en:Solresol|w]]) * [[Toki a, jan Jonatan!|Toki Pona]] ([[w:en:Toki Pona|w]]) * [[Glidis, o Jonathan!|Volapük]] ([[w:en:Volapük|w]]) </div> There are a couple of issues here: # Beyond their introductions, all of these books are written in languages which are not English, making them out of scope for the English Wikibooks. # All but one of these books are in fact written in constructed languages, most of them in recently created conlangs. In some cases (e.g. [[Sin Chao, Jonathan!]]), I can't find any reliable sources describing the target language outside of the translation itself. # Most of the translations (i.e. other than [[Salute, Jonathan!]] itself) were abandoned within the first five or so chapters (out of 100); none of them are complete, and there seems to be little effort to complete any of them. While I recognize that this is an unusual project, and potentially one which could have some value, it's not at all clear to me that the English Wikibooks is the right place for it. — [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 00:24, 29 September 2024 (UTC) : I'm really not sure what to do about these ones. While I recognize that this approach is certainly one method of teaching a language, I'm not sure that it constitutes an educational textbook. We do require that the English Wikibooks be written in English—for language-learning books, this typically means that the instructional parts are in English while the exercises are in the language being taught. I do think that if the language doesn't have much supporting evidence outside the book itself, it can safely be deleted. — [[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 01:01, 29 September 2024 (UTC) : Author of the book here. I originally wanted to put it in the Interlingue Wikibooks https://ie.wikibooks.org/wiki/Principal_p%C3%A1gine but it somehow got locked when I wasn't paying attention and so I ended up putting it here. Getting it unlocked requires going through the process of starting an Incubator and all the rest so I opted for here and then started putting some English-only content once it was done. It's sort of in the same vein as books like Lingua Latina per se Illustrata that have separate versions with teacher notes and whatnot. [[Salute, Jonathan!/Capitul 1 - with notes]] After it was done the auxlang community really took to it which was a nice surprise. I think Ido has the largest number of chapters at the moment at 15. :If the vast content of this book could be used to justify a quick reopening of the Interlingue Wikibooks to move it there, I'd love to do that. I imagine that an incubator with 100+ book chapters would be enough to open a Wikibooks and that's what this is. — [[User:Mithridates|Mithridates]] ([[User talk:Mithridates|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mithridates|contribs]]) 06:02, 29 September 2024 (UTC) : Ah, I just realized that we do have a proposal to reopen the Interlingue Wikibooks: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikibooks_Interlingue along with an Incubator page here. https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wb/ie/Principal_p%C3%A1gine : How easy would it be to migrate the entirety of Salute Jonathan to there? — [[User:Mithridates|Mithridates]] ([[User talk:Mithridates|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mithridates|contribs]]) 06:30, 29 September 2024 (UTC) :: Hi @[[User:Mithridates|Mithridates]]! I'm not sure how incubator projects work, but I fully support migrating these books there. You may want to inquire over there and link to this discussion to support your request to move the content over there. Cheers! — [[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 13:16, 29 September 2024 (UTC) ::: Hi! Actually I have a third idea to propose after thinking about this again today (haven't been here much since I finished the book): I noticed that there is more English content than I remember and that might make it an awkward fit for the Interlingue Wikibooks. I definitely agree that having all the auxlang translations for new auxlang projects goes well beyond the scope of this Wikibooks. Finally, there are some auxlangs that are notable with their own Wikipedias. ::: So the idea is the following: :::# Leave the original here and I can continue the work on the version with English notes and grammar. That will make it the same as Lingua Latina per se Illustrata, English by the Nature Method, Athenaze and all the rest. :::# The Interlingua one can move to the Interlingua Wikibooks (maybe Romanica too if they want as it is sort of a dialect of Interlingua). :::# For Ido and Lingua Franca Nova which have a Wikipedia but not a Wikibooks, I'm a little bit unsure...technically they could have their own version like the original one but would require English explanations. I could let them know and see if they are willing to do so and see what they think (work on adding English to the books vs. move the content elsewhere). :::# The rest can move to a Github repo, then be deleted, and the front page of this book can have a single link to the repo. ::: Any thoughts on that? Adding the extra English content will be easy as it is my book and I know it inside and out. ::: Edit: [https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Salute,_Jonathan!/Grammar_(pronouns) this page] I just added. — [[User:Mithridates|Mithridates]] ([[User talk:Mithridates|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mithridates|contribs]]) 13:50, 29 September 2024 (UTC) :::: Thanks for taking the time to consider this! Here are my responses/questions: ::::* Is the original [[Salute, Jonathan!]] (Occidental)? Since that one is quite fleshed out, I agree that if you edit it so the primary language of the book (e.g. headers, instructions, etc) are written in English while leaving the actual story in Occidental, it would be okay and fit in more with instructional language textbooks. ::::* For your points 2 and 3, I'm not sure how those other projects work, so I'll leave it up to them. I'm not quite sure why they would need to move, since in theory they could be revised with English as the language of instruction? Although, they have been left incomplete for a long time. ::::* For your point 4, I have no problem with that. Cheers! — [[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 16:51, 29 September 2024 (UTC) ::::: Hello again, it's the weekend so I have a bit more time to work on this. I've decided to merge the extra content from the following five chapters since the difference is fairly small and the original chapters should now have this English content. Could you delete these five pages now that they are no longer needed? [[User:Mithridates|Mithridates]] ([[User talk:Mithridates|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mithridates|contribs]]) 14:02, 5 October 2024 (UTC) ::::: [[Salute, Jonathan!/Capitul 1 - with notes]] ::::: [[Salute, Jonathan!/Capitul 2 - with notes]] ::::: [[Salute, Jonathan!/Capitul 3 - with notes]] ::::: [[Salute, Jonathan!/Capitul 4 - with notes]] ::::: [[Salute, Jonathan!/Capitul 5 - with notes]] [[User:Mithridates|Mithridates]] ([[User talk:Mithridates|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mithridates|contribs]]) 14:02, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :::::: [[File:Yes_check.svg|{{#ifeq:|small|8|15}}px|link=|alt=]] {{#ifeq:|small|<small>|}}'''Done'''{{#ifeq:|small|</small>|}} — [[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 23:34, 5 October 2024 (UTC) ::::::: Hi again! No luck trying to find a home for the random language translations on other auxlang wikis, can't find one that is actively maintained. ::::::: The thought struck me that maybe I could just put those ones on a sub page of my user page, would that be permitted? If not, I think I'll just stick them somewhere in GitHub and call it a day since none of the people who started the translations seem to care enough to do anything about them. I'd rather not see them outright disappear but since they aren't mine I don't care enough about them to do much more work than copy and paste them somewhere. ::::::: (I would leave the ones in languages with an ISO-639 code and Wikipedia here, of course) — [[User:Mithridates|Mithridates]] ([[User talk:Mithridates|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mithridates|contribs]]) 14:13, 9 November 2024 (UTC) :::::::: Thank you for checking! I don't personally see an issue with moving them to your user space right now. Cheers — [[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 17:21, 9 November 2024 (UTC) ::::::::: Thanks a lot! I've started a single page where I will put them all here [[User:Mithridates/SJ]] and will proceed slowly due to lack of time and also to avoid stepping on any toes / asking you to delete too much at a time and possibly deleting the wrong content. ::::::::: For this week I have put the content for the languages Audia, Cristianès, Guosa, Lingaust, Mini, Mirad, and Monav on that page as they all have a single page of content and didn't take much time to move. Please delete those. Once they are gone I will add a note on the main page letting people know where they have gone (in addition to a thank you for their interest in the book! I do love how many people have recognized it as a good source material for teaching a language). — [[User:Mithridates|Mithridates]] ([[User talk:Mithridates|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mithridates|contribs]]) 04:09, 10 November 2024 (UTC) : {{keep}} the translations for languages that have an article on the English Wikipedia, i.e. Guosa, Idiom Neutral, Ido, Interlingua, Lingwa de Planeta, Negerhollands, Neo, Novial, Occidental, Romanica, Solresol, Toki Pona, and Volapük. : Translations for languages that don't have an article can be kept if they have reliable sources, which I was able to find for the following languages (if you think they are not reliable, please let me know): :* Globasa: [https://www.languagesandnumbers.com/how-to-count-in-globasa/en/globasa/] [https://greyson.conlang.org/2020/01/29/shouting-out-globasa-and-pandunia/] :* Mini: [https://jprogr.github.io/mini] [https://www.omniglot.com/language/phrases/mini.htm] [https://www.languagesandnumbers.com/how-to-count-in-mini/en/mini/] : {{del}} and move to [[User:Mithridates/SJ]] the rest of the translations, i.e. Audià/Audian, Cristianés, Ekumenski, Germanisch, Interocidental, Lingaust, Lingue Simple, Masa Tang, Mirad, Monav, Monkel, Mundeze, Nordien, Novlingue, Numo, Proyo, and Scuian/Meteza. If you can find reliable sources for those languages, please let me know. : In particular, I could not find resources for Audià/Audian and Monav after searching through 15 and 17 pages on Google, respectively. It doesn't help that [[Òla, Ionatà!|their]] [[Hai, Jon!|translations]] don't explain what those languages are and where to find resources for them. This makes contributing to those translations almost impossible until @[[User:Caro de Segeda|Caro de Segeda]] can provide resources to us. It's possible that the resources may have disappared from the Internet, or that those languages were created by Caro de Segeda him/herself. If you can find resources for Audià/Audian and Monav, please let me know. : I'm notifying the primary contributors of the translations: @[[User:Caro de Segeda|Caro de Segeda]], @[[User:Frzzl|Frzzl]], @[[User:Greatscotteh|Greatscotteh]], @[[User:IHateNumbers234|IHateNumbers234]], @[[User:Jayeless2|Jayeless2]], @[[User:Morozof|Morozof]], @[[User:Omnihom|Omnihom]], @[[User:Omoutuazn|Omoutuazn]], @[[User:PovriNaivon|PovriNaivon]], @[[User:Sir Beluga|Sir Beluga]] and @[[User:Tyoyafud|Tyoyafud]]. — [[User:EJPPhilippines|EJPPhilippines]] ([[User talk:EJPPhilippines|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/EJPPhilippines|contribs]]) 09:52, 30 June 2025 (UTC) :: Caro de Segeda said on [https://www.reddit.com/r/conlangs/comments/1lcnz9g/comment/n0sc3wx/ Reddit] that Monav was created by him/her and that he/she didn't publish any resources about it other than [[Hai, Jon!]]. With '''zero''' other resources to rely on for contributing to the translation, and the fact that Monav is in [[User:Mithridates/SJ]], [[Hai, Jon!]] should be speedy deleted. — [[User:EJPPhilippines|EJPPhilippines]] ([[User talk:EJPPhilippines|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/EJPPhilippines|contribs]]) 01:38, 3 July 2025 (UTC) ::: I've undone the speedy deletion as Caro de Segeda posted a [https://prexins.wordpress.com/2025/07/04/monav/ resource] for Monav. — [[User:EJPPhilippines|EJPPhilippines]] ([[User talk:EJPPhilippines|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/EJPPhilippines|contribs]]) 07:18, 4 July 2025 (UTC) :::: You can delete all the ones that I have created myself, I have already moved them to other places. — [[User:Caro de Segeda|Caro de Segeda]] ([[User talk:Caro de Segeda|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Caro de Segeda|contribs]]) 12:39, 5 July 2025 (UTC) {{outdent|::::}}I don't know if this is helpful since it wouldn't apply to most of these, but [[s:mul:]] could hold some of these. — [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Arlo Barnes|contribs]]) 09:18, 30 November 2025 (UTC) : I don't think that would be within the scope of that project. I'm not aware of any other situation where Wikisource publishes translations of texts created on Wikimedia projects - that's usually left up to other language editions of the same project. — [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 05:34, 1 December 2025 (UTC) :: In this situation there isn't a separate [[s:ie:]] distinct from Multilingual Wikisource (see [[meta:Wikisource#List of Wikisources]]). In fact, there are very few multilingual wikis in the Wikimedia sphere; while this project ''could'' move to a Miraheze-hosted or similar wiki farm location, I think it would be a missed opportunity. I suppose an [[Interlingue]] book could be started in [[shelf:Constructed languages]] which would have all 100 chapters as an appendix (and likewise for the other languages), but that also seems non-ideal since it requires an English-language text that doesn't currently exist to be created. [[WB:AT]] seems to describe a similar situation to this one and prescribe Wikisource as the solution, and [[WB:SOURCE]] mentions fiction as out-of-scope for Wikibooks (even as in this case, language-educational fiction). [[s:mul:Wikisource:about Wikisource]] simply speaks of source texts and doesn't mention publication requirements, so maybe that is specific to some of the monolingual editions? — [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Arlo Barnes|contribs]]) 22:28, 5 December 2025 (UTC) :{{keep}} 100% keep. These books are a core part of language textbooks on Wikibooks and have been for years. Not sure why this is even being debated.--[[User:Xania|Xania]] [[Image:Flag_of_Estonia.svg|15px]] [[Image:Flag_of_Ukraine.svg|15px]] [[User talk:Xania|^talk]] 17:55, 16 May 2026 (UTC) ::With all due respect, some of the books included in this nomination (like [[Sin Chao, Jonathan!]]) are written in constructed languages which are not substantially attested anywhere else. I struggle to imagine any educational purpose for such a book. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 00:12, 17 May 2026 (UTC) == [[International Baccalaureate]] == Not actually a book in and of itself; rather, it is just a compilation of links to other books —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 23:24, 18 October 2024 (UTC) : Could this be salvaged as a shelf? [[User:Pppery|Pppery]] ([[User talk:Pppery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pppery|contribs]]) 05:23, 27 January 2025 (UTC) ::Probably, but are the linked books even useful? IB exams change from year to year - sometimes quite dramatically - so an old exam guide is of very limited value. Many of these books were written 10-15 years ago, and some of them (like [[IB French]]) even have comments indicating that they're no longer applicable. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 02:18, 8 December 2025 (UTC) == [[Character List for Baxter&Sagart]] == Seems completely out of scope as an educational book; it's just a list of characters and outlinks —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 23:53, 18 October 2024 (UTC) :Adding [[Character List for Karlgren's GSR]] and [[Character List for Schuessler's CGSR]] for the same reason —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 23:55, 18 October 2024 (UTC) :These three books do make a package and I agree they should be considered together. However, I strongly object to deleting them. They are really extremely useful resources. I use them every week and I know that many people who do work on Old Chinese phonology do so. There are lots of books out there that are lists of characters, these are called dictionaries. For example Axel Schuessler's ABC Etymological Dictionary of Old Chinese, or Pulleyblank's Lexicon of Reconstructed Pronunciation in Early Middle Chinese, Late Middle Chinese, and Early Mandarin. I see it as entirely a good thing for reference works of this kind to be available free online rather than only in expensive books in university research libraries. If this is in violation of a Wikibooks policy, I would at least like that policy to be drawn to my attention and to have some constructive comment offered about which Wikiproject such a resource should fall under. I will also say on a personal note that I have put literally hundreds of hours of work into these projects and it would grieve me a lot to see this work simply vanish, in particular when I know that colleagues around the world use these books. --[[User:Tibetologist|Tibetologist]] ([[User talk:Tibetologist|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Tibetologist|contribs]]) 07:27, 1 November 2024 (UTC) ::Hi @[[User:Tibetologist|Tibetologist]], and thank you for the feedback! Official Wikibooks policy does not permit standalone dictionaries (see [[WB:DICT]]), though I understand the argument that it is a useful resource. I am wondering if there might be a home for it at [[Wiktionary:Wiktionary:Welcome, newcomers|Wiktionary]] or [[Wikiversity:Wikiversity:SHARE|Wikiversity]]? Cheers —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 12:14, 1 November 2024 (UTC) :::The policy says to use Wiktionary, but these books cannot be moved there. In fact they link there, you can understand me as having made an index to wiktionary, if you like, where the ORDER of the characters is extremely important, information that would be lost in Wiktionary. :::Wikiversity is not a project I participate in, and in any event my books here are older than it, so this option was not available for me at the relevant moment. If you are offering to move my books to Wikiversity, that is very kind of you and I will very graciously accept. [[User:Tibetologist|Tibetologist]] ([[User talk:Tibetologist|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Tibetologist|contribs]]) 14:10, 1 November 2024 (UTC) ::::I have pinged over at Wikiversity Colloquium to ask about suitability and have looped you into the conversation over there. Cheers —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 18:20, 1 November 2024 (UTC) ::I concur. I'm just an undergrad who tries to learn about Sino-Tibetan historical linguistics in his free time but I've found this wikibook to be incredibly useful, and I keep it open in one tab while I watch Professor Nathan Hill's lectures that he uploads to youtube in another tab, and another tab for taking notes. In fact if I remember correctly Professor Hill actually pointed his students to this wikibook. ::I'm not familiar with [[wikiversity:Wikiversity:SHARE|Wikiversity]] but if all the content were as accessible there as it is here then I think that could work. [[User:ChromeBones|ChromeBones]] ([[User talk:ChromeBones|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/ChromeBones|contribs]]) 02:43, 9 July 2025 (UTC) :Per [[:v:Wikiversity:Colloquium#Import_Resource_From_Wikibooks?]], I recommend copying and pasting, including attribution via the edit summary and talk page, add appropriate categories and links, and then it could be deleted locally. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''vf</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 22:32, 3 November 2024 (UTC) == [[Suomen kieli käyttöön]] == Multiple pages in this book are written entirely in Finnish, which is out of the enWB scope. —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 00:09, 19 October 2024 (UTC) :I was going to say whether we should ask any fiwikibooks sysop to maybe see if this could be transwikied to fiwb if it's within the scope there. But [[:fi:Toiminnot:Käyttäjät/sysop]] indicates that there are only 3 sysops, and only {{u|Anr}} and {{u|Zache}} have made edits this ''year''. If they deem it to be salvageable, then transwiki + delete, otherwise straight-up delete. --[[User:SHB2000|SHB2000]] ([[User talk:SHB2000|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/SHB2000|contribs]]) 11:24, 14 November 2024 (UTC) ::It seems that the idea behind the book was for the pages to be bilingual, as it’s a language learning book. That’s why there are Finnish texts included intentionally even on the pages that are complete. There are similar books in dewikibooks and ruwikibooks as well. For the English version, I think the easiest way to proceed would be to clean up and adjust the page layout to fit enwikibooks better, and then translate the missing parts. By the way, if anyone wants to update the book’s name in English, it can be titled ''"Using the Finnish Language"'' or ''"Put Finnish Language into Use"'' for a direct translation. [[User:Zache|Zache]] ([[User talk:Zache|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Zache|contribs]]) 11:57, 14 November 2024 (UTC) == [[AT&T Mobility FAQ]] == * [[AT&T Mobility FAQ]] * [[AT&T Mobility FAQ/MEdia Net Configuration]] * [[AT&T Mobility FAQ/Data Connect Configuration]] An ''extremely'' outdated FAQ on AT&T's cell phone services. Most of this document was written 20+ years ago as a Usenet FAQ; very little of it is accurate or useful anymore (particularly the two subpages, which have to do with obsolete configurations for "tethering" a computer to a cell phone). No objection if someone wants to update it, but there's clearly been no appetite to do that. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 22:20, 30 December 2024 (UTC) :I'm wondering if it might make sense for us to develop some kind of policy on archiving books here. There are many like this one that have a good deal of content but are extremely out of date and just not useful as originally intended. ——[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 22:34, 30 December 2024 (UTC) ::@[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]]: See the newly developed [[Wikibooks:Outdated books]]. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[wikt:she|she]]/[[wikt:they|they]]) 00:16, 31 December 2024 (UTC) :::Ooh, thanks - something like that seems like it could be an appropriate way to handle this book. A lot of the other outdated books I've tagged have been so incomplete that they wouldn't have been particularly useful even as historical references; this one might at least have some interest. :::Any chance we can get a separate namespace (maybe "Archive:") set up for archived book content? That'd make it possible to do things like exclude them from on-site search by default. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 21:07, 31 December 2024 (UTC) ::::I think this might be a more extended discussion, so I'll bump it over to the [[Wikibooks talk:Outdated books|talk page of the draft policy]]! —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 21:54, 31 December 2024 (UTC) == Algebra/Chapter 10/Symmetric Polynomials == I personally believe that [[Algebra/Chapter 10/Symmetric Polynomials|this]], and all of the sections should be deleted for the fact that this goes WAY beyond the scope of what was intended for the Chapter (Algebra II level polynomials). [[User:GoreyCat|GoreyCat]] ([[User talk:GoreyCat|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/GoreyCat|contribs]]) 15:07, 6 February 2025 (UTC) :'''Split''': Deletion here is not the best solution (see [[w:WP:ATD]]). Instead, this page and its subpages should be moved to another book, most likely [[Abstract Algebra]]. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[wikt:she|she]]/[[wikt:they|they]]) 17:35, 6 February 2025 (UTC) :{{keep}} since there is a good amount of content. If [[Abstract Algebra]] is appropriate, it seems like a fine idea to move there. —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 22:59, 7 February 2025 (UTC) ::Eh, yeah, I supposed moving it is better. I just don't think it's suitable for where it appears. [[User:GoreyCat|GoreyCat]] ([[User talk:GoreyCat|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/GoreyCat|contribs]]) 01:40, 8 February 2025 (UTC) == [[Puredyne]] == Development of Puredyne Linux was discontinued in 2012, and the software no longer appears to be available for download anywhere. (An archive of the web site is still up - with a bunch of embedded spam links - but the download links are all dead.) Is this a suitable candidate for archival (cf. [[Wikibooks:Outdated books]]), or should it just be deleted? [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 04:35, 5 March 2025 (UTC) :I'd just archive stuff like this. Looks like a decent bit of work went into it, and you never know when someone might need to use Puredyne for some obscure project. I'd be willing to bet mirrors exist of it somewhere, or someone has it on a drive. If you want to find some stuff worth deleting, comb through [[:Category:Allbooks categories]]. [[User:MediaKyle|MediaKyle]] ([[User talk:MediaKyle|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaKyle|contribs]]) 11:30, 5 March 2025 (UTC) == [[Template:Qr-twwp]] == This isn't exactly a request to delete the template, but rather to merge it with {{tlx|Copypaste}}. The {{tlx|Qr-twwp}} template serves the same purpose as {{tlx|Copypaste}}, but without the seven-day period after which the page is deleted. This leads to confusion, as well as a perpetually full [[:Category:Queried pages]]. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[wikt:she|she]]/[[wikt:they|they]]) 17:37, 30 March 2025 (UTC) == [[Ghouls of the Miskatonic]] == I don't think that a plot summary of a book is in-scope here. —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 18:43, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :{{vd}} - at least, not a summary of ''this'' book. A summary and/or study guide to a notable work of literature might be in scope, but this is certainly not one. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 21:23, 25 August 2025 (UTC) ::Hi. I am the creator of the pages of this book. If I understand correctly, it has to be a summary of a notable work of literature? So what exactly is defined as such? I only started this as I thought it would be fun, interesting and encouraging to others who read the Arkham Horror novels, and I thought it was permitted as I've seen other summaries of books on wikibooks. [[User:Dayne90|Dayne90]] ([[User talk:Dayne90|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dayne90|contribs]]) 13:27, 26 August 2025 (UTC) :::Your problem is it is just the plot... it needs to include an educational textual analysis to be in scope [[User:MarcGarver|MarcGarver]] ([[User talk:MarcGarver|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MarcGarver|contribs]]) 12:47, 28 August 2025 (UTC) ::::And ideally it'd be a text which has ''already'' been the subject of literary analysis, such that the analysis on Wikibooks isn't original research. A notable work of literature like ''Frankenstein'' or ''Moby-Dick'' would easily meet that requirement; a tie-in novel for a tabletop RPG probably does not. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 22:08, 29 August 2025 (UTC) == [[Objective Projection: Why the Brain Never Forgets Some Stories]] == Undisclosed AI-generated content. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 02:13, 9 May 2026 (UTC) :<nowiki>'''Keep'''</nowiki> — Comment from page author/subject expert. :I am Levent Bulut, the originator of the <nowiki>''</nowiki>Objective Projection<nowiki>''</nowiki> methodology described in this book (ORCID: 0009-0007-7500-2261, Wikidata: Q138048287). I want to address the AI-generated content concern directly and transparently. :<nowiki>'''</nowiki>On the content itself:<nowiki>'''</nowiki> The methodology, theoretical framework (the six-variable operator E(r) = projS(M, T, V, Δ, Ω, Ng), the Six Golden Rules, the Six-Layer Framework), and all original arguments are my own intellectual work, developed and published independently. This is documented through: :* 26 DOI-registered academic publications on Zenodo (search: "Levent Bulut Objective Projection") :* A peer-reviewed submission currently under review at <nowiki>''</nowiki>Digital Humanities Quarterly<nowiki>''</nowiki> :* Parallel Turkish-language Wikibook and Wikiversity pages on the same methodology :* An open-source SFT dataset on Hugging Face (leventbulut/objective-projection) :<nowiki>'''</nowiki>On AI assistance:<nowiki>'''</nowiki> I used AI tools (Claude) for English translation polish and copy-editing from my Turkish source materials — the same way a non-native English-speaking academic would use a human translator or editor. The <nowiki>''</nowiki>ideas, structure, terminology, citations, and arguments<nowiki>''</nowiki> are entirely my own and pre-date the Wikibooks version, traceable through Zenodo DOI timestamps starting in 2025. :<nowiki>'''</nowiki>Proposed remedy instead of deletion:<nowiki>'''</nowiki> I am happy to: :# Add a clear AI-assistance disclosure to the book's preface, per Wikibooks transparency norms :# Add inline citations to the underlying DOI-registered publications for every major claim :# Link to the parallel Turkish version and academic record :This would address the <nowiki>''</nowiki>undisclosed<nowiki>''</nowiki> part of the concern (which is the actionable policy issue) while preserving content that is original academic work by an identifiable author with a published track record. Deletion of original scholarship because translation assistance was used would set a concerning precedent for non-native English contributors. :<nowiki>I request a few days to add the disclosure and citations before any deletion action. ~~~~</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-28847-60|&#126;2026-28847-60]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-28847-60|talk]]) 18:46, 13 May 2026 (UTC) ::Administrative assistance needed: Automated filters blocking structural improvements and disclosures ::'''Request for Help''' — I am Levent Bulut, the author of this book. I have already provided my AI disclosure and academic credentials (ORCID, DOI list) here in this discussion. ::I am trying to update the book to comply with Wikibooks standards by: ::Adding a formal '''AI assistance disclosure''' at the top of the page. ::Restructuring the content into an '''instructional textbook format''' (adding Learning Objectives). ::Converting plain text formulas into '''LaTeX''' ( format). ::Updating references to include full academic '''DOI''' records. ::However, the automated filter is blocking all my attempts: ::If I try to replace the content with the improved version, it triggers the '''"large amount of content removal"''' filter. ::If I try to add specific academic links, it triggers the '''"automated link/spam"''' filter. ::I am essentially trapped by the filters while trying to improve the book and follow transparency norms. Could an administrator please either whitelist my account or manually apply the improved version of the text? I am ready to provide the full MediaWiki code here if requested. My intent is purely constructive and academic. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-28847-60|&#126;2026-28847-60]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-28847-60|talk]]) 19:15, 13 May 2026 (UTC) ::: Hi, @[[User:~2026-28847-60|~2026-28847-60]]. Your account was incorrectly locked by a steward. It is now currently unlocked. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 17:44, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::: Pinging @[[User:Projection Architect|Projection Architect]], who was previously LeventBulut. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 15:51, 4 July 2026 (UTC) ::Please review [[Wikibooks:Artificial intelligence]]. It states unequivocally that {{tq|LLMs may not be used to generate or summarize material and ideas at Wikibooks}}, and that {{tq|translations made by LLMs are not allowed on Wikibooks}}. The fact that you did not disclose your usage of AI is part of the problem, but disclosing it does not make it allowable either. ::More broadly, based on what you've said above, the content of this book is a reflection of your personal theories on writing. This is essentially [[Wikibooks:Original research]] and is not permitted. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 22:36, 13 May 2026 (UTC) == [[Suicide]] == I realize this book has been nominated for deletion before ([[Wikibooks:Requests for deletion/Suicide|1]], [[Wikibooks:Requests for deletion/Suicide (2)|2]], [[Wikibooks:Requests for deletion/Suicide/Suffocation|3]]), but it's been over ten years since the last nomination. The project's position on what material is in its educational scope has shifted, as have some of the facts on the ground. * The chartered purpose of Wikibooks is to produce "open-content textbooks" (cf. [[Wikibooks:What is Wikibooks?]]) which are suitable for use in an instructional environment. Providing educational information about suicide in the context of psychiatry could certainly be in scope, as psychiatry is an educational topic; however, instructional material on how to commit suicide is not an educational topic, and should not be considered in scope. * This book is, and has always been, primarily intended as an instructional work guiding users on how to commit suicide. It provides effectively no meaningful analytical content ''about'' suicide as a topic. Most of the original content in the book was imported from an early-2000s wiki associated with the <code>alt.suicide.holiday</code> Usenet group, the "ASH wiki", which was specifically and unequivocally dedicated to describing and recommending methods by which readers could commit suicide, and this has carried through to the current version of the book. * Most of the content in the book was removed in 2020 (by redirecting it to the book's main page, e.g. [[Special:Diff/3660495]]) over concerns that it was created by a WMF-banned user ([[User:Leucosticte]]), and because it was likely in violation of the ASH wiki's (unclear) copyright. These changes removed most of the content of the book; much of what remains is image gallery pages like [[Suicide/Blades]] which have no educational value. Suicide is a sensitive topic; if it is covered by a textbook, it should be covered tastefully and with an aim to educate. This book is largely the opposite of that. Having it here is doing more harm than good. If this book is deleted, the following related pages should be deleted as well: * [[Template:Suicide methods]] * [[Template:Infobox suicide method]] (currently unused) * [[User:Leucosticte/About ASH]] - from the ASH wiki, as mentioned above * [[User:Leucosticte/Frequently Asked Questions]] - also from the ASH wiki [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 22:41, 21 July 2026 (UTC) : {{keep|weak keep}} a)&nbsp;Age is no argument. There are many stale underdeveloped books I would rather delete than keeping around. b)&nbsp;The book’s topic is exceptionally difficult to write about. ''This'' impedes collaborative authoring. c)&nbsp;The book does not really explain ''how'' to commit suicide (like a step‐by‐step guide), neither is it the book’s learning objective. d)&nbsp;Even if ''you construed'' the chapter summarizing various suicide methods ''as instructions'', instructional material on how to commit suicide ''is'' an educational topic. In most ''present‐day societies'' it is not ''ethical'' to teach students how to commit suicide, though. e)&nbsp;Therefore the correct path is to first alter the [[WB:WIW#Wikibooks includes instructional texts|project scope]] to censor books on ethical grounds ''and then'' nominate the book for censorship. ‑‑[[User:Kai Burghardt|Kai Burghardt]] ([[User talk:Kai Burghardt|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kai Burghardt|contribs]]) 04:50, 28 July 2026 (UTC) ::Re. c: most of the explicit directions were edited out in 2020, as noted in my nomination, but are still visible in page history. For a couple of explicit examples, see e.g. [[Special:Permalink/3318613]] or [[Special:Permalink/3654645]]. Providing specific instructions was the original intent of this book, and it has never escaped that legacy. If someone were interested in writing a book ''about'' the phenomenon of suicide, they would be better off starting afresh. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 05:26, 28 July 2026 (UTC) *'''Delete all'''. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 16:17, 28 July 2026 (UTC) *:why? [[Special:Contributions/~2026-40500-29|~2026-40500-29]] ([[User talk:~2026-40500-29|talk]]) 15:49, 19 September 2026 (UTC) * '''Delete all''' per the nomination above. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color: blue">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 02:17, 30 July 2026 (UTC) * '''Keep''' with caution. Rename to "suicide prevention"?--[[User:TunnelESON|TunnelESON]] ([[User talk:TunnelESON|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/TunnelESON|contribs]]) 04:03, 2 September 2026 (UTC) *:Re. the rename: absolutely not. There is no content in the book about suicide prevention. If you are interested in writing a book on that topic, please start a new one. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 18:48, 5 September 2026 (UTC) :{{keep}} - :1. "instructional material on how to commit suicide is not an educational topic" - I think it can be construed as one depending on the person (and does not have to imply that the person is at risk) :2. Not a reason. :3. Not a reason. It is up to the community to decide whether to accept a banned user's work. [[User:Leaderboard|Leaderboard]] ([[User talk:Leaderboard|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Leaderboard|contribs]]) 13:37, 6 September 2026 (UTC) == [[Chess Opening Theory/1. g4/1...Na6]] == Nonsense position, one of the worst opening moves for White countered by a move hurting development for Black. [https://www.365chess.com/search_position.php Searching] on 365chess.com finds zero games with this position. See also a similar [[Wikibooks:Requests for deletion/Chess Opening Theory/1. e4/1...e5/2. Na3]]. [[User:1234qwer1234qwer4|𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰]] ([[User talk:1234qwer1234qwer4|𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠]]) 02:20, 13 September 2026 (UTC) :{{vd}} With some reservations, in that just being a bad move doesn't make it ''not'' a strategy. That said, the lack of actual game presence means it's unnecessary to keep around. [[User:EggRoll97|EggRoll97]] ([[User talk:EggRoll97|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/EggRoll97|contribs]]) 16:16, 14 September 2026 (UTC) == [[Art And AI]] == Suspected rampant LLM use; this also seems to violate [[WB:BLOG]] and [[WB:SOURCE]], since this seems largely like personal research/personal essays and opinions. —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 14:25, 17 September 2026 (UTC) :{{vd}} - as a book, this isn't even particularly coherent. For instance, chapters like [[Art And AI/Tools Of The Artist]] have no clear relationship to the intended topic. And the chapters which do address the topic, like [[Art And AI/Can AIs Go On Strike]], certainly seem more like an opinion piece (if not outright fantasy content) than serious material appropriate for an instructional text. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 00:03, 18 September 2026 (UTC) :{{vd}}, does not fit this project and appears to be LLM-generated. No useful content. [[User:Ternera|Ternera]] ([[User talk:Ternera|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ternera|contribs]]) 15:13, 19 September 2026 (UTC) == [[A-level Computing AQA Paper 1 Skeleton program 2027]] == This was proposed for speedy deletion by [[User:Omphalographer]] as 'not being a book'. However, I think this page's future requires further discussion from the community. Maybe some input would be appreciated?. [[User:TechVindicator|TechVindicator]] ([[User talk:TechVindicator|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/TechVindicator|contribs]]) 23:51, 21 September 2026 (UTC) cr3v5zxjexnxx3fi6stns7gght9fzjo 4671670 4671666 2026-09-21T23:53:50Z TechVindicator 3626296 /* A-level Computing AQA Paper 1 Skeleton program 2027 */ 4671670 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ [[Category:Wikibooks deletion|{{PAGENAME}}]] {{Discussion Rooms}} {{TOCleft}} {{shortcut|WB:RFD}} {{Requests for deletion/New deletion}} {{Requests for deletion/Deletion intro}} <!-- New deletion nominations go at the bottom of page. --> == [[Salute, Jonathan!]] and its translations == <div style="column-count: 7;"> * [[Salute, Jonathan!|Interlingue/Occidental]] ([[w:en:Occidental|w]], original) * [[Òla, Ionatà!|Audià]] * [[Holo, Jonathan!|Cristianés]] * [[Terve, Jonathan!|Ekumenski]] * [[Hej, Jonathan! (Germanisch)|Germanisch]] * [[Salom, Jonatan!|Globasa]] * [[Àlŏ, Jonathan!|Guosa]] ([[w:en:Guosa|w]]) * [[Salut, Jonathan!|Idiom Neutral]] ([[w:en:Idiom Neutral|w]]) * [[Saluto, Jonathan! (Ido)|Ido]] ([[w:en:Ido|w]]) * [[Hallo, Jonathan!|Interlingua]] ([[w:en:Interlingua|w]]) * [[Salut, Jonathan! (Interocidental)|Interocidental]] * [[Bune Ğonatan!|Lingaust]] * [[Oila, Jonatan!|Lingue Simple]] * [[Haloo, Jonatan!|Lingwa de Planeta]] ([[w:en:Lingwa de Planeta|w]]) * [[Sin Chao, Jonathan!|Masa Tang]] * [[Salut, ionatano!|Meteza]] * [[Salu, Jon!|Mini]] * [[Hay, Jonathan!|Mirad]] * [[Hai, Jon!|Monav]] * [[Sesan Jon!|Monkel]] * [[Salam, Jonathan!|Mundeze]] * [[Dag, Jonathan!|Negerhollands]] ([[w:en:Negerhollands|w]]) * [[Salut Jonathan!|Neo]] ([[w:en:Neo|w]]) * [[Hej, Jonathan!|Nordien]] * [[Saluto, Jonathan!|Novial]] ([[w:en:Novial|w]]) * [[Salute, Jonathan! (Novlingue)|Novlingue]] * [[Alo, Jonathan!|Numo]] * [[Hela, Jonathan!|Proyo]] * [[Salute, Jonathan! (Romanica)|Romanica]] ([[w:en:Romanica|w]]) * [[Simi, Jonathan!|Solresol]] ([[w:en:Solresol|w]]) * [[Toki a, jan Jonatan!|Toki Pona]] ([[w:en:Toki Pona|w]]) * [[Glidis, o Jonathan!|Volapük]] ([[w:en:Volapük|w]]) </div> There are a couple of issues here: # Beyond their introductions, all of these books are written in languages which are not English, making them out of scope for the English Wikibooks. # All but one of these books are in fact written in constructed languages, most of them in recently created conlangs. In some cases (e.g. [[Sin Chao, Jonathan!]]), I can't find any reliable sources describing the target language outside of the translation itself. # Most of the translations (i.e. other than [[Salute, Jonathan!]] itself) were abandoned within the first five or so chapters (out of 100); none of them are complete, and there seems to be little effort to complete any of them. While I recognize that this is an unusual project, and potentially one which could have some value, it's not at all clear to me that the English Wikibooks is the right place for it. — [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 00:24, 29 September 2024 (UTC) : I'm really not sure what to do about these ones. While I recognize that this approach is certainly one method of teaching a language, I'm not sure that it constitutes an educational textbook. We do require that the English Wikibooks be written in English—for language-learning books, this typically means that the instructional parts are in English while the exercises are in the language being taught. I do think that if the language doesn't have much supporting evidence outside the book itself, it can safely be deleted. — [[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 01:01, 29 September 2024 (UTC) : Author of the book here. I originally wanted to put it in the Interlingue Wikibooks https://ie.wikibooks.org/wiki/Principal_p%C3%A1gine but it somehow got locked when I wasn't paying attention and so I ended up putting it here. Getting it unlocked requires going through the process of starting an Incubator and all the rest so I opted for here and then started putting some English-only content once it was done. It's sort of in the same vein as books like Lingua Latina per se Illustrata that have separate versions with teacher notes and whatnot. [[Salute, Jonathan!/Capitul 1 - with notes]] After it was done the auxlang community really took to it which was a nice surprise. I think Ido has the largest number of chapters at the moment at 15. :If the vast content of this book could be used to justify a quick reopening of the Interlingue Wikibooks to move it there, I'd love to do that. I imagine that an incubator with 100+ book chapters would be enough to open a Wikibooks and that's what this is. — [[User:Mithridates|Mithridates]] ([[User talk:Mithridates|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mithridates|contribs]]) 06:02, 29 September 2024 (UTC) : Ah, I just realized that we do have a proposal to reopen the Interlingue Wikibooks: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikibooks_Interlingue along with an Incubator page here. https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wb/ie/Principal_p%C3%A1gine : How easy would it be to migrate the entirety of Salute Jonathan to there? — [[User:Mithridates|Mithridates]] ([[User talk:Mithridates|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mithridates|contribs]]) 06:30, 29 September 2024 (UTC) :: Hi @[[User:Mithridates|Mithridates]]! I'm not sure how incubator projects work, but I fully support migrating these books there. You may want to inquire over there and link to this discussion to support your request to move the content over there. Cheers! — [[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 13:16, 29 September 2024 (UTC) ::: Hi! Actually I have a third idea to propose after thinking about this again today (haven't been here much since I finished the book): I noticed that there is more English content than I remember and that might make it an awkward fit for the Interlingue Wikibooks. I definitely agree that having all the auxlang translations for new auxlang projects goes well beyond the scope of this Wikibooks. Finally, there are some auxlangs that are notable with their own Wikipedias. ::: So the idea is the following: :::# Leave the original here and I can continue the work on the version with English notes and grammar. That will make it the same as Lingua Latina per se Illustrata, English by the Nature Method, Athenaze and all the rest. :::# The Interlingua one can move to the Interlingua Wikibooks (maybe Romanica too if they want as it is sort of a dialect of Interlingua). :::# For Ido and Lingua Franca Nova which have a Wikipedia but not a Wikibooks, I'm a little bit unsure...technically they could have their own version like the original one but would require English explanations. I could let them know and see if they are willing to do so and see what they think (work on adding English to the books vs. move the content elsewhere). :::# The rest can move to a Github repo, then be deleted, and the front page of this book can have a single link to the repo. ::: Any thoughts on that? Adding the extra English content will be easy as it is my book and I know it inside and out. ::: Edit: [https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Salute,_Jonathan!/Grammar_(pronouns) this page] I just added. — [[User:Mithridates|Mithridates]] ([[User talk:Mithridates|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mithridates|contribs]]) 13:50, 29 September 2024 (UTC) :::: Thanks for taking the time to consider this! Here are my responses/questions: ::::* Is the original [[Salute, Jonathan!]] (Occidental)? Since that one is quite fleshed out, I agree that if you edit it so the primary language of the book (e.g. headers, instructions, etc) are written in English while leaving the actual story in Occidental, it would be okay and fit in more with instructional language textbooks. ::::* For your points 2 and 3, I'm not sure how those other projects work, so I'll leave it up to them. I'm not quite sure why they would need to move, since in theory they could be revised with English as the language of instruction? Although, they have been left incomplete for a long time. ::::* For your point 4, I have no problem with that. Cheers! — [[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 16:51, 29 September 2024 (UTC) ::::: Hello again, it's the weekend so I have a bit more time to work on this. I've decided to merge the extra content from the following five chapters since the difference is fairly small and the original chapters should now have this English content. Could you delete these five pages now that they are no longer needed? [[User:Mithridates|Mithridates]] ([[User talk:Mithridates|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mithridates|contribs]]) 14:02, 5 October 2024 (UTC) ::::: [[Salute, Jonathan!/Capitul 1 - with notes]] ::::: [[Salute, Jonathan!/Capitul 2 - with notes]] ::::: [[Salute, Jonathan!/Capitul 3 - with notes]] ::::: [[Salute, Jonathan!/Capitul 4 - with notes]] ::::: [[Salute, Jonathan!/Capitul 5 - with notes]] [[User:Mithridates|Mithridates]] ([[User talk:Mithridates|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mithridates|contribs]]) 14:02, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :::::: [[File:Yes_check.svg|{{#ifeq:|small|8|15}}px|link=|alt=]] {{#ifeq:|small|<small>|}}'''Done'''{{#ifeq:|small|</small>|}} — [[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 23:34, 5 October 2024 (UTC) ::::::: Hi again! No luck trying to find a home for the random language translations on other auxlang wikis, can't find one that is actively maintained. ::::::: The thought struck me that maybe I could just put those ones on a sub page of my user page, would that be permitted? If not, I think I'll just stick them somewhere in GitHub and call it a day since none of the people who started the translations seem to care enough to do anything about them. I'd rather not see them outright disappear but since they aren't mine I don't care enough about them to do much more work than copy and paste them somewhere. ::::::: (I would leave the ones in languages with an ISO-639 code and Wikipedia here, of course) — [[User:Mithridates|Mithridates]] ([[User talk:Mithridates|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mithridates|contribs]]) 14:13, 9 November 2024 (UTC) :::::::: Thank you for checking! I don't personally see an issue with moving them to your user space right now. Cheers — [[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 17:21, 9 November 2024 (UTC) ::::::::: Thanks a lot! I've started a single page where I will put them all here [[User:Mithridates/SJ]] and will proceed slowly due to lack of time and also to avoid stepping on any toes / asking you to delete too much at a time and possibly deleting the wrong content. ::::::::: For this week I have put the content for the languages Audia, Cristianès, Guosa, Lingaust, Mini, Mirad, and Monav on that page as they all have a single page of content and didn't take much time to move. Please delete those. Once they are gone I will add a note on the main page letting people know where they have gone (in addition to a thank you for their interest in the book! I do love how many people have recognized it as a good source material for teaching a language). — [[User:Mithridates|Mithridates]] ([[User talk:Mithridates|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mithridates|contribs]]) 04:09, 10 November 2024 (UTC) : {{keep}} the translations for languages that have an article on the English Wikipedia, i.e. Guosa, Idiom Neutral, Ido, Interlingua, Lingwa de Planeta, Negerhollands, Neo, Novial, Occidental, Romanica, Solresol, Toki Pona, and Volapük. : Translations for languages that don't have an article can be kept if they have reliable sources, which I was able to find for the following languages (if you think they are not reliable, please let me know): :* Globasa: [https://www.languagesandnumbers.com/how-to-count-in-globasa/en/globasa/] [https://greyson.conlang.org/2020/01/29/shouting-out-globasa-and-pandunia/] :* Mini: [https://jprogr.github.io/mini] [https://www.omniglot.com/language/phrases/mini.htm] [https://www.languagesandnumbers.com/how-to-count-in-mini/en/mini/] : {{del}} and move to [[User:Mithridates/SJ]] the rest of the translations, i.e. Audià/Audian, Cristianés, Ekumenski, Germanisch, Interocidental, Lingaust, Lingue Simple, Masa Tang, Mirad, Monav, Monkel, Mundeze, Nordien, Novlingue, Numo, Proyo, and Scuian/Meteza. If you can find reliable sources for those languages, please let me know. : In particular, I could not find resources for Audià/Audian and Monav after searching through 15 and 17 pages on Google, respectively. It doesn't help that [[Òla, Ionatà!|their]] [[Hai, Jon!|translations]] don't explain what those languages are and where to find resources for them. This makes contributing to those translations almost impossible until @[[User:Caro de Segeda|Caro de Segeda]] can provide resources to us. It's possible that the resources may have disappared from the Internet, or that those languages were created by Caro de Segeda him/herself. If you can find resources for Audià/Audian and Monav, please let me know. : I'm notifying the primary contributors of the translations: @[[User:Caro de Segeda|Caro de Segeda]], @[[User:Frzzl|Frzzl]], @[[User:Greatscotteh|Greatscotteh]], @[[User:IHateNumbers234|IHateNumbers234]], @[[User:Jayeless2|Jayeless2]], @[[User:Morozof|Morozof]], @[[User:Omnihom|Omnihom]], @[[User:Omoutuazn|Omoutuazn]], @[[User:PovriNaivon|PovriNaivon]], @[[User:Sir Beluga|Sir Beluga]] and @[[User:Tyoyafud|Tyoyafud]]. — [[User:EJPPhilippines|EJPPhilippines]] ([[User talk:EJPPhilippines|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/EJPPhilippines|contribs]]) 09:52, 30 June 2025 (UTC) :: Caro de Segeda said on [https://www.reddit.com/r/conlangs/comments/1lcnz9g/comment/n0sc3wx/ Reddit] that Monav was created by him/her and that he/she didn't publish any resources about it other than [[Hai, Jon!]]. With '''zero''' other resources to rely on for contributing to the translation, and the fact that Monav is in [[User:Mithridates/SJ]], [[Hai, Jon!]] should be speedy deleted. — [[User:EJPPhilippines|EJPPhilippines]] ([[User talk:EJPPhilippines|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/EJPPhilippines|contribs]]) 01:38, 3 July 2025 (UTC) ::: I've undone the speedy deletion as Caro de Segeda posted a [https://prexins.wordpress.com/2025/07/04/monav/ resource] for Monav. — [[User:EJPPhilippines|EJPPhilippines]] ([[User talk:EJPPhilippines|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/EJPPhilippines|contribs]]) 07:18, 4 July 2025 (UTC) :::: You can delete all the ones that I have created myself, I have already moved them to other places. — [[User:Caro de Segeda|Caro de Segeda]] ([[User talk:Caro de Segeda|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Caro de Segeda|contribs]]) 12:39, 5 July 2025 (UTC) {{outdent|::::}}I don't know if this is helpful since it wouldn't apply to most of these, but [[s:mul:]] could hold some of these. — [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Arlo Barnes|contribs]]) 09:18, 30 November 2025 (UTC) : I don't think that would be within the scope of that project. I'm not aware of any other situation where Wikisource publishes translations of texts created on Wikimedia projects - that's usually left up to other language editions of the same project. — [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 05:34, 1 December 2025 (UTC) :: In this situation there isn't a separate [[s:ie:]] distinct from Multilingual Wikisource (see [[meta:Wikisource#List of Wikisources]]). In fact, there are very few multilingual wikis in the Wikimedia sphere; while this project ''could'' move to a Miraheze-hosted or similar wiki farm location, I think it would be a missed opportunity. I suppose an [[Interlingue]] book could be started in [[shelf:Constructed languages]] which would have all 100 chapters as an appendix (and likewise for the other languages), but that also seems non-ideal since it requires an English-language text that doesn't currently exist to be created. [[WB:AT]] seems to describe a similar situation to this one and prescribe Wikisource as the solution, and [[WB:SOURCE]] mentions fiction as out-of-scope for Wikibooks (even as in this case, language-educational fiction). [[s:mul:Wikisource:about Wikisource]] simply speaks of source texts and doesn't mention publication requirements, so maybe that is specific to some of the monolingual editions? — [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Arlo Barnes|contribs]]) 22:28, 5 December 2025 (UTC) :{{keep}} 100% keep. These books are a core part of language textbooks on Wikibooks and have been for years. Not sure why this is even being debated.--[[User:Xania|Xania]] [[Image:Flag_of_Estonia.svg|15px]] [[Image:Flag_of_Ukraine.svg|15px]] [[User talk:Xania|^talk]] 17:55, 16 May 2026 (UTC) ::With all due respect, some of the books included in this nomination (like [[Sin Chao, Jonathan!]]) are written in constructed languages which are not substantially attested anywhere else. I struggle to imagine any educational purpose for such a book. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 00:12, 17 May 2026 (UTC) == [[International Baccalaureate]] == Not actually a book in and of itself; rather, it is just a compilation of links to other books —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 23:24, 18 October 2024 (UTC) : Could this be salvaged as a shelf? [[User:Pppery|Pppery]] ([[User talk:Pppery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pppery|contribs]]) 05:23, 27 January 2025 (UTC) ::Probably, but are the linked books even useful? IB exams change from year to year - sometimes quite dramatically - so an old exam guide is of very limited value. Many of these books were written 10-15 years ago, and some of them (like [[IB French]]) even have comments indicating that they're no longer applicable. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 02:18, 8 December 2025 (UTC) == [[Character List for Baxter&Sagart]] == Seems completely out of scope as an educational book; it's just a list of characters and outlinks —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 23:53, 18 October 2024 (UTC) :Adding [[Character List for Karlgren's GSR]] and [[Character List for Schuessler's CGSR]] for the same reason —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 23:55, 18 October 2024 (UTC) :These three books do make a package and I agree they should be considered together. However, I strongly object to deleting them. They are really extremely useful resources. I use them every week and I know that many people who do work on Old Chinese phonology do so. There are lots of books out there that are lists of characters, these are called dictionaries. For example Axel Schuessler's ABC Etymological Dictionary of Old Chinese, or Pulleyblank's Lexicon of Reconstructed Pronunciation in Early Middle Chinese, Late Middle Chinese, and Early Mandarin. I see it as entirely a good thing for reference works of this kind to be available free online rather than only in expensive books in university research libraries. If this is in violation of a Wikibooks policy, I would at least like that policy to be drawn to my attention and to have some constructive comment offered about which Wikiproject such a resource should fall under. I will also say on a personal note that I have put literally hundreds of hours of work into these projects and it would grieve me a lot to see this work simply vanish, in particular when I know that colleagues around the world use these books. --[[User:Tibetologist|Tibetologist]] ([[User talk:Tibetologist|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Tibetologist|contribs]]) 07:27, 1 November 2024 (UTC) ::Hi @[[User:Tibetologist|Tibetologist]], and thank you for the feedback! Official Wikibooks policy does not permit standalone dictionaries (see [[WB:DICT]]), though I understand the argument that it is a useful resource. I am wondering if there might be a home for it at [[Wiktionary:Wiktionary:Welcome, newcomers|Wiktionary]] or [[Wikiversity:Wikiversity:SHARE|Wikiversity]]? Cheers —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 12:14, 1 November 2024 (UTC) :::The policy says to use Wiktionary, but these books cannot be moved there. In fact they link there, you can understand me as having made an index to wiktionary, if you like, where the ORDER of the characters is extremely important, information that would be lost in Wiktionary. :::Wikiversity is not a project I participate in, and in any event my books here are older than it, so this option was not available for me at the relevant moment. If you are offering to move my books to Wikiversity, that is very kind of you and I will very graciously accept. [[User:Tibetologist|Tibetologist]] ([[User talk:Tibetologist|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Tibetologist|contribs]]) 14:10, 1 November 2024 (UTC) ::::I have pinged over at Wikiversity Colloquium to ask about suitability and have looped you into the conversation over there. Cheers —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 18:20, 1 November 2024 (UTC) ::I concur. I'm just an undergrad who tries to learn about Sino-Tibetan historical linguistics in his free time but I've found this wikibook to be incredibly useful, and I keep it open in one tab while I watch Professor Nathan Hill's lectures that he uploads to youtube in another tab, and another tab for taking notes. In fact if I remember correctly Professor Hill actually pointed his students to this wikibook. ::I'm not familiar with [[wikiversity:Wikiversity:SHARE|Wikiversity]] but if all the content were as accessible there as it is here then I think that could work. [[User:ChromeBones|ChromeBones]] ([[User talk:ChromeBones|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/ChromeBones|contribs]]) 02:43, 9 July 2025 (UTC) :Per [[:v:Wikiversity:Colloquium#Import_Resource_From_Wikibooks?]], I recommend copying and pasting, including attribution via the edit summary and talk page, add appropriate categories and links, and then it could be deleted locally. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''vf</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 22:32, 3 November 2024 (UTC) == [[Suomen kieli käyttöön]] == Multiple pages in this book are written entirely in Finnish, which is out of the enWB scope. —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 00:09, 19 October 2024 (UTC) :I was going to say whether we should ask any fiwikibooks sysop to maybe see if this could be transwikied to fiwb if it's within the scope there. But [[:fi:Toiminnot:Käyttäjät/sysop]] indicates that there are only 3 sysops, and only {{u|Anr}} and {{u|Zache}} have made edits this ''year''. If they deem it to be salvageable, then transwiki + delete, otherwise straight-up delete. --[[User:SHB2000|SHB2000]] ([[User talk:SHB2000|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/SHB2000|contribs]]) 11:24, 14 November 2024 (UTC) ::It seems that the idea behind the book was for the pages to be bilingual, as it’s a language learning book. That’s why there are Finnish texts included intentionally even on the pages that are complete. There are similar books in dewikibooks and ruwikibooks as well. For the English version, I think the easiest way to proceed would be to clean up and adjust the page layout to fit enwikibooks better, and then translate the missing parts. By the way, if anyone wants to update the book’s name in English, it can be titled ''"Using the Finnish Language"'' or ''"Put Finnish Language into Use"'' for a direct translation. [[User:Zache|Zache]] ([[User talk:Zache|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Zache|contribs]]) 11:57, 14 November 2024 (UTC) == [[AT&T Mobility FAQ]] == * [[AT&T Mobility FAQ]] * [[AT&T Mobility FAQ/MEdia Net Configuration]] * [[AT&T Mobility FAQ/Data Connect Configuration]] An ''extremely'' outdated FAQ on AT&T's cell phone services. Most of this document was written 20+ years ago as a Usenet FAQ; very little of it is accurate or useful anymore (particularly the two subpages, which have to do with obsolete configurations for "tethering" a computer to a cell phone). No objection if someone wants to update it, but there's clearly been no appetite to do that. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 22:20, 30 December 2024 (UTC) :I'm wondering if it might make sense for us to develop some kind of policy on archiving books here. There are many like this one that have a good deal of content but are extremely out of date and just not useful as originally intended. ——[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 22:34, 30 December 2024 (UTC) ::@[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]]: See the newly developed [[Wikibooks:Outdated books]]. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[wikt:she|she]]/[[wikt:they|they]]) 00:16, 31 December 2024 (UTC) :::Ooh, thanks - something like that seems like it could be an appropriate way to handle this book. A lot of the other outdated books I've tagged have been so incomplete that they wouldn't have been particularly useful even as historical references; this one might at least have some interest. :::Any chance we can get a separate namespace (maybe "Archive:") set up for archived book content? That'd make it possible to do things like exclude them from on-site search by default. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 21:07, 31 December 2024 (UTC) ::::I think this might be a more extended discussion, so I'll bump it over to the [[Wikibooks talk:Outdated books|talk page of the draft policy]]! —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 21:54, 31 December 2024 (UTC) == Algebra/Chapter 10/Symmetric Polynomials == I personally believe that [[Algebra/Chapter 10/Symmetric Polynomials|this]], and all of the sections should be deleted for the fact that this goes WAY beyond the scope of what was intended for the Chapter (Algebra II level polynomials). [[User:GoreyCat|GoreyCat]] ([[User talk:GoreyCat|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/GoreyCat|contribs]]) 15:07, 6 February 2025 (UTC) :'''Split''': Deletion here is not the best solution (see [[w:WP:ATD]]). Instead, this page and its subpages should be moved to another book, most likely [[Abstract Algebra]]. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[wikt:she|she]]/[[wikt:they|they]]) 17:35, 6 February 2025 (UTC) :{{keep}} since there is a good amount of content. If [[Abstract Algebra]] is appropriate, it seems like a fine idea to move there. —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 22:59, 7 February 2025 (UTC) ::Eh, yeah, I supposed moving it is better. I just don't think it's suitable for where it appears. [[User:GoreyCat|GoreyCat]] ([[User talk:GoreyCat|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/GoreyCat|contribs]]) 01:40, 8 February 2025 (UTC) == [[Puredyne]] == Development of Puredyne Linux was discontinued in 2012, and the software no longer appears to be available for download anywhere. (An archive of the web site is still up - with a bunch of embedded spam links - but the download links are all dead.) Is this a suitable candidate for archival (cf. [[Wikibooks:Outdated books]]), or should it just be deleted? [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 04:35, 5 March 2025 (UTC) :I'd just archive stuff like this. Looks like a decent bit of work went into it, and you never know when someone might need to use Puredyne for some obscure project. I'd be willing to bet mirrors exist of it somewhere, or someone has it on a drive. If you want to find some stuff worth deleting, comb through [[:Category:Allbooks categories]]. [[User:MediaKyle|MediaKyle]] ([[User talk:MediaKyle|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaKyle|contribs]]) 11:30, 5 March 2025 (UTC) == [[Template:Qr-twwp]] == This isn't exactly a request to delete the template, but rather to merge it with {{tlx|Copypaste}}. The {{tlx|Qr-twwp}} template serves the same purpose as {{tlx|Copypaste}}, but without the seven-day period after which the page is deleted. This leads to confusion, as well as a perpetually full [[:Category:Queried pages]]. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[wikt:she|she]]/[[wikt:they|they]]) 17:37, 30 March 2025 (UTC) == [[Ghouls of the Miskatonic]] == I don't think that a plot summary of a book is in-scope here. —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 18:43, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :{{vd}} - at least, not a summary of ''this'' book. A summary and/or study guide to a notable work of literature might be in scope, but this is certainly not one. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 21:23, 25 August 2025 (UTC) ::Hi. I am the creator of the pages of this book. If I understand correctly, it has to be a summary of a notable work of literature? So what exactly is defined as such? I only started this as I thought it would be fun, interesting and encouraging to others who read the Arkham Horror novels, and I thought it was permitted as I've seen other summaries of books on wikibooks. [[User:Dayne90|Dayne90]] ([[User talk:Dayne90|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dayne90|contribs]]) 13:27, 26 August 2025 (UTC) :::Your problem is it is just the plot... it needs to include an educational textual analysis to be in scope [[User:MarcGarver|MarcGarver]] ([[User talk:MarcGarver|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MarcGarver|contribs]]) 12:47, 28 August 2025 (UTC) ::::And ideally it'd be a text which has ''already'' been the subject of literary analysis, such that the analysis on Wikibooks isn't original research. A notable work of literature like ''Frankenstein'' or ''Moby-Dick'' would easily meet that requirement; a tie-in novel for a tabletop RPG probably does not. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 22:08, 29 August 2025 (UTC) == [[Objective Projection: Why the Brain Never Forgets Some Stories]] == Undisclosed AI-generated content. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 02:13, 9 May 2026 (UTC) :<nowiki>'''Keep'''</nowiki> — Comment from page author/subject expert. :I am Levent Bulut, the originator of the <nowiki>''</nowiki>Objective Projection<nowiki>''</nowiki> methodology described in this book (ORCID: 0009-0007-7500-2261, Wikidata: Q138048287). I want to address the AI-generated content concern directly and transparently. :<nowiki>'''</nowiki>On the content itself:<nowiki>'''</nowiki> The methodology, theoretical framework (the six-variable operator E(r) = projS(M, T, V, Δ, Ω, Ng), the Six Golden Rules, the Six-Layer Framework), and all original arguments are my own intellectual work, developed and published independently. This is documented through: :* 26 DOI-registered academic publications on Zenodo (search: "Levent Bulut Objective Projection") :* A peer-reviewed submission currently under review at <nowiki>''</nowiki>Digital Humanities Quarterly<nowiki>''</nowiki> :* Parallel Turkish-language Wikibook and Wikiversity pages on the same methodology :* An open-source SFT dataset on Hugging Face (leventbulut/objective-projection) :<nowiki>'''</nowiki>On AI assistance:<nowiki>'''</nowiki> I used AI tools (Claude) for English translation polish and copy-editing from my Turkish source materials — the same way a non-native English-speaking academic would use a human translator or editor. The <nowiki>''</nowiki>ideas, structure, terminology, citations, and arguments<nowiki>''</nowiki> are entirely my own and pre-date the Wikibooks version, traceable through Zenodo DOI timestamps starting in 2025. :<nowiki>'''</nowiki>Proposed remedy instead of deletion:<nowiki>'''</nowiki> I am happy to: :# Add a clear AI-assistance disclosure to the book's preface, per Wikibooks transparency norms :# Add inline citations to the underlying DOI-registered publications for every major claim :# Link to the parallel Turkish version and academic record :This would address the <nowiki>''</nowiki>undisclosed<nowiki>''</nowiki> part of the concern (which is the actionable policy issue) while preserving content that is original academic work by an identifiable author with a published track record. Deletion of original scholarship because translation assistance was used would set a concerning precedent for non-native English contributors. :<nowiki>I request a few days to add the disclosure and citations before any deletion action. ~~~~</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-28847-60|&#126;2026-28847-60]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-28847-60|talk]]) 18:46, 13 May 2026 (UTC) ::Administrative assistance needed: Automated filters blocking structural improvements and disclosures ::'''Request for Help''' — I am Levent Bulut, the author of this book. I have already provided my AI disclosure and academic credentials (ORCID, DOI list) here in this discussion. ::I am trying to update the book to comply with Wikibooks standards by: ::Adding a formal '''AI assistance disclosure''' at the top of the page. ::Restructuring the content into an '''instructional textbook format''' (adding Learning Objectives). ::Converting plain text formulas into '''LaTeX''' ( format). ::Updating references to include full academic '''DOI''' records. ::However, the automated filter is blocking all my attempts: ::If I try to replace the content with the improved version, it triggers the '''"large amount of content removal"''' filter. ::If I try to add specific academic links, it triggers the '''"automated link/spam"''' filter. ::I am essentially trapped by the filters while trying to improve the book and follow transparency norms. Could an administrator please either whitelist my account or manually apply the improved version of the text? I am ready to provide the full MediaWiki code here if requested. My intent is purely constructive and academic. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-28847-60|&#126;2026-28847-60]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-28847-60|talk]]) 19:15, 13 May 2026 (UTC) ::: Hi, @[[User:~2026-28847-60|~2026-28847-60]]. Your account was incorrectly locked by a steward. It is now currently unlocked. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 17:44, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::: Pinging @[[User:Projection Architect|Projection Architect]], who was previously LeventBulut. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 15:51, 4 July 2026 (UTC) ::Please review [[Wikibooks:Artificial intelligence]]. It states unequivocally that {{tq|LLMs may not be used to generate or summarize material and ideas at Wikibooks}}, and that {{tq|translations made by LLMs are not allowed on Wikibooks}}. The fact that you did not disclose your usage of AI is part of the problem, but disclosing it does not make it allowable either. ::More broadly, based on what you've said above, the content of this book is a reflection of your personal theories on writing. This is essentially [[Wikibooks:Original research]] and is not permitted. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 22:36, 13 May 2026 (UTC) == [[Suicide]] == I realize this book has been nominated for deletion before ([[Wikibooks:Requests for deletion/Suicide|1]], [[Wikibooks:Requests for deletion/Suicide (2)|2]], [[Wikibooks:Requests for deletion/Suicide/Suffocation|3]]), but it's been over ten years since the last nomination. The project's position on what material is in its educational scope has shifted, as have some of the facts on the ground. * The chartered purpose of Wikibooks is to produce "open-content textbooks" (cf. [[Wikibooks:What is Wikibooks?]]) which are suitable for use in an instructional environment. Providing educational information about suicide in the context of psychiatry could certainly be in scope, as psychiatry is an educational topic; however, instructional material on how to commit suicide is not an educational topic, and should not be considered in scope. * This book is, and has always been, primarily intended as an instructional work guiding users on how to commit suicide. It provides effectively no meaningful analytical content ''about'' suicide as a topic. Most of the original content in the book was imported from an early-2000s wiki associated with the <code>alt.suicide.holiday</code> Usenet group, the "ASH wiki", which was specifically and unequivocally dedicated to describing and recommending methods by which readers could commit suicide, and this has carried through to the current version of the book. * Most of the content in the book was removed in 2020 (by redirecting it to the book's main page, e.g. [[Special:Diff/3660495]]) over concerns that it was created by a WMF-banned user ([[User:Leucosticte]]), and because it was likely in violation of the ASH wiki's (unclear) copyright. These changes removed most of the content of the book; much of what remains is image gallery pages like [[Suicide/Blades]] which have no educational value. Suicide is a sensitive topic; if it is covered by a textbook, it should be covered tastefully and with an aim to educate. This book is largely the opposite of that. Having it here is doing more harm than good. If this book is deleted, the following related pages should be deleted as well: * [[Template:Suicide methods]] * [[Template:Infobox suicide method]] (currently unused) * [[User:Leucosticte/About ASH]] - from the ASH wiki, as mentioned above * [[User:Leucosticte/Frequently Asked Questions]] - also from the ASH wiki [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 22:41, 21 July 2026 (UTC) : {{keep|weak keep}} a)&nbsp;Age is no argument. There are many stale underdeveloped books I would rather delete than keeping around. b)&nbsp;The book’s topic is exceptionally difficult to write about. ''This'' impedes collaborative authoring. c)&nbsp;The book does not really explain ''how'' to commit suicide (like a step‐by‐step guide), neither is it the book’s learning objective. d)&nbsp;Even if ''you construed'' the chapter summarizing various suicide methods ''as instructions'', instructional material on how to commit suicide ''is'' an educational topic. In most ''present‐day societies'' it is not ''ethical'' to teach students how to commit suicide, though. e)&nbsp;Therefore the correct path is to first alter the [[WB:WIW#Wikibooks includes instructional texts|project scope]] to censor books on ethical grounds ''and then'' nominate the book for censorship. ‑‑[[User:Kai Burghardt|Kai Burghardt]] ([[User talk:Kai Burghardt|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kai Burghardt|contribs]]) 04:50, 28 July 2026 (UTC) ::Re. c: most of the explicit directions were edited out in 2020, as noted in my nomination, but are still visible in page history. For a couple of explicit examples, see e.g. [[Special:Permalink/3318613]] or [[Special:Permalink/3654645]]. Providing specific instructions was the original intent of this book, and it has never escaped that legacy. If someone were interested in writing a book ''about'' the phenomenon of suicide, they would be better off starting afresh. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 05:26, 28 July 2026 (UTC) *'''Delete all'''. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 16:17, 28 July 2026 (UTC) *:why? [[Special:Contributions/~2026-40500-29|~2026-40500-29]] ([[User talk:~2026-40500-29|talk]]) 15:49, 19 September 2026 (UTC) * '''Delete all''' per the nomination above. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color: blue">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 02:17, 30 July 2026 (UTC) * '''Keep''' with caution. Rename to "suicide prevention"?--[[User:TunnelESON|TunnelESON]] ([[User talk:TunnelESON|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/TunnelESON|contribs]]) 04:03, 2 September 2026 (UTC) *:Re. the rename: absolutely not. There is no content in the book about suicide prevention. If you are interested in writing a book on that topic, please start a new one. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 18:48, 5 September 2026 (UTC) :{{keep}} - :1. "instructional material on how to commit suicide is not an educational topic" - I think it can be construed as one depending on the person (and does not have to imply that the person is at risk) :2. Not a reason. :3. Not a reason. It is up to the community to decide whether to accept a banned user's work. [[User:Leaderboard|Leaderboard]] ([[User talk:Leaderboard|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Leaderboard|contribs]]) 13:37, 6 September 2026 (UTC) == [[Chess Opening Theory/1. g4/1...Na6]] == Nonsense position, one of the worst opening moves for White countered by a move hurting development for Black. [https://www.365chess.com/search_position.php Searching] on 365chess.com finds zero games with this position. See also a similar [[Wikibooks:Requests for deletion/Chess Opening Theory/1. e4/1...e5/2. Na3]]. [[User:1234qwer1234qwer4|𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰]] ([[User talk:1234qwer1234qwer4|𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠]]) 02:20, 13 September 2026 (UTC) :{{vd}} With some reservations, in that just being a bad move doesn't make it ''not'' a strategy. That said, the lack of actual game presence means it's unnecessary to keep around. [[User:EggRoll97|EggRoll97]] ([[User talk:EggRoll97|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/EggRoll97|contribs]]) 16:16, 14 September 2026 (UTC) == [[Art And AI]] == Suspected rampant LLM use; this also seems to violate [[WB:BLOG]] and [[WB:SOURCE]], since this seems largely like personal research/personal essays and opinions. —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 14:25, 17 September 2026 (UTC) :{{vd}} - as a book, this isn't even particularly coherent. For instance, chapters like [[Art And AI/Tools Of The Artist]] have no clear relationship to the intended topic. And the chapters which do address the topic, like [[Art And AI/Can AIs Go On Strike]], certainly seem more like an opinion piece (if not outright fantasy content) than serious material appropriate for an instructional text. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 00:03, 18 September 2026 (UTC) :{{vd}}, does not fit this project and appears to be LLM-generated. No useful content. [[User:Ternera|Ternera]] ([[User talk:Ternera|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ternera|contribs]]) 15:13, 19 September 2026 (UTC) == [[A-level Computing AQA Paper 1 Skeleton program 2027]] == This was proposed for speedy deletion by [[User:Omphalographer]] as 'not being a book'. However, I think this page's future requires further discussion from the community. Maybe some input would be appreciated?[[User:TechVindicator|TechVindicator]] ([[User talk:TechVindicator|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/TechVindicator|contribs]]) 23:51, 21 September 2026 (UTC) fh1sczygslh2aomfnq48yc8ikkw68cb 4671673 4671670 2026-09-22T00:14:55Z Omphalographer 3427146 /* A-level Computing AQA Paper 1 Skeleton program 2027 */ Reply 4671673 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ [[Category:Wikibooks deletion|{{PAGENAME}}]] {{Discussion Rooms}} {{TOCleft}} {{shortcut|WB:RFD}} {{Requests for deletion/New deletion}} {{Requests for deletion/Deletion intro}} <!-- New deletion nominations go at the bottom of page. --> == [[Salute, Jonathan!]] and its translations == <div style="column-count: 7;"> * [[Salute, Jonathan!|Interlingue/Occidental]] ([[w:en:Occidental|w]], original) * [[Òla, Ionatà!|Audià]] * [[Holo, Jonathan!|Cristianés]] * [[Terve, Jonathan!|Ekumenski]] * [[Hej, Jonathan! (Germanisch)|Germanisch]] * [[Salom, Jonatan!|Globasa]] * [[Àlŏ, Jonathan!|Guosa]] ([[w:en:Guosa|w]]) * [[Salut, Jonathan!|Idiom Neutral]] ([[w:en:Idiom Neutral|w]]) * [[Saluto, Jonathan! (Ido)|Ido]] ([[w:en:Ido|w]]) * [[Hallo, Jonathan!|Interlingua]] ([[w:en:Interlingua|w]]) * [[Salut, Jonathan! (Interocidental)|Interocidental]] * [[Bune Ğonatan!|Lingaust]] * [[Oila, Jonatan!|Lingue Simple]] * [[Haloo, Jonatan!|Lingwa de Planeta]] ([[w:en:Lingwa de Planeta|w]]) * [[Sin Chao, Jonathan!|Masa Tang]] * [[Salut, ionatano!|Meteza]] * [[Salu, Jon!|Mini]] * [[Hay, Jonathan!|Mirad]] * [[Hai, Jon!|Monav]] * [[Sesan Jon!|Monkel]] * [[Salam, Jonathan!|Mundeze]] * [[Dag, Jonathan!|Negerhollands]] ([[w:en:Negerhollands|w]]) * [[Salut Jonathan!|Neo]] ([[w:en:Neo|w]]) * [[Hej, Jonathan!|Nordien]] * [[Saluto, Jonathan!|Novial]] ([[w:en:Novial|w]]) * [[Salute, Jonathan! (Novlingue)|Novlingue]] * [[Alo, Jonathan!|Numo]] * [[Hela, Jonathan!|Proyo]] * [[Salute, Jonathan! (Romanica)|Romanica]] ([[w:en:Romanica|w]]) * [[Simi, Jonathan!|Solresol]] ([[w:en:Solresol|w]]) * [[Toki a, jan Jonatan!|Toki Pona]] ([[w:en:Toki Pona|w]]) * [[Glidis, o Jonathan!|Volapük]] ([[w:en:Volapük|w]]) </div> There are a couple of issues here: # Beyond their introductions, all of these books are written in languages which are not English, making them out of scope for the English Wikibooks. # All but one of these books are in fact written in constructed languages, most of them in recently created conlangs. In some cases (e.g. [[Sin Chao, Jonathan!]]), I can't find any reliable sources describing the target language outside of the translation itself. # Most of the translations (i.e. other than [[Salute, Jonathan!]] itself) were abandoned within the first five or so chapters (out of 100); none of them are complete, and there seems to be little effort to complete any of them. While I recognize that this is an unusual project, and potentially one which could have some value, it's not at all clear to me that the English Wikibooks is the right place for it. — [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 00:24, 29 September 2024 (UTC) : I'm really not sure what to do about these ones. While I recognize that this approach is certainly one method of teaching a language, I'm not sure that it constitutes an educational textbook. We do require that the English Wikibooks be written in English—for language-learning books, this typically means that the instructional parts are in English while the exercises are in the language being taught. I do think that if the language doesn't have much supporting evidence outside the book itself, it can safely be deleted. — [[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 01:01, 29 September 2024 (UTC) : Author of the book here. I originally wanted to put it in the Interlingue Wikibooks https://ie.wikibooks.org/wiki/Principal_p%C3%A1gine but it somehow got locked when I wasn't paying attention and so I ended up putting it here. Getting it unlocked requires going through the process of starting an Incubator and all the rest so I opted for here and then started putting some English-only content once it was done. It's sort of in the same vein as books like Lingua Latina per se Illustrata that have separate versions with teacher notes and whatnot. [[Salute, Jonathan!/Capitul 1 - with notes]] After it was done the auxlang community really took to it which was a nice surprise. I think Ido has the largest number of chapters at the moment at 15. :If the vast content of this book could be used to justify a quick reopening of the Interlingue Wikibooks to move it there, I'd love to do that. I imagine that an incubator with 100+ book chapters would be enough to open a Wikibooks and that's what this is. — [[User:Mithridates|Mithridates]] ([[User talk:Mithridates|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mithridates|contribs]]) 06:02, 29 September 2024 (UTC) : Ah, I just realized that we do have a proposal to reopen the Interlingue Wikibooks: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikibooks_Interlingue along with an Incubator page here. https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wb/ie/Principal_p%C3%A1gine : How easy would it be to migrate the entirety of Salute Jonathan to there? — [[User:Mithridates|Mithridates]] ([[User talk:Mithridates|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mithridates|contribs]]) 06:30, 29 September 2024 (UTC) :: Hi @[[User:Mithridates|Mithridates]]! I'm not sure how incubator projects work, but I fully support migrating these books there. You may want to inquire over there and link to this discussion to support your request to move the content over there. Cheers! — [[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 13:16, 29 September 2024 (UTC) ::: Hi! Actually I have a third idea to propose after thinking about this again today (haven't been here much since I finished the book): I noticed that there is more English content than I remember and that might make it an awkward fit for the Interlingue Wikibooks. I definitely agree that having all the auxlang translations for new auxlang projects goes well beyond the scope of this Wikibooks. Finally, there are some auxlangs that are notable with their own Wikipedias. ::: So the idea is the following: :::# Leave the original here and I can continue the work on the version with English notes and grammar. That will make it the same as Lingua Latina per se Illustrata, English by the Nature Method, Athenaze and all the rest. :::# The Interlingua one can move to the Interlingua Wikibooks (maybe Romanica too if they want as it is sort of a dialect of Interlingua). :::# For Ido and Lingua Franca Nova which have a Wikipedia but not a Wikibooks, I'm a little bit unsure...technically they could have their own version like the original one but would require English explanations. I could let them know and see if they are willing to do so and see what they think (work on adding English to the books vs. move the content elsewhere). :::# The rest can move to a Github repo, then be deleted, and the front page of this book can have a single link to the repo. ::: Any thoughts on that? Adding the extra English content will be easy as it is my book and I know it inside and out. ::: Edit: [https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Salute,_Jonathan!/Grammar_(pronouns) this page] I just added. — [[User:Mithridates|Mithridates]] ([[User talk:Mithridates|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mithridates|contribs]]) 13:50, 29 September 2024 (UTC) :::: Thanks for taking the time to consider this! Here are my responses/questions: ::::* Is the original [[Salute, Jonathan!]] (Occidental)? Since that one is quite fleshed out, I agree that if you edit it so the primary language of the book (e.g. headers, instructions, etc) are written in English while leaving the actual story in Occidental, it would be okay and fit in more with instructional language textbooks. ::::* For your points 2 and 3, I'm not sure how those other projects work, so I'll leave it up to them. I'm not quite sure why they would need to move, since in theory they could be revised with English as the language of instruction? Although, they have been left incomplete for a long time. ::::* For your point 4, I have no problem with that. Cheers! — [[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 16:51, 29 September 2024 (UTC) ::::: Hello again, it's the weekend so I have a bit more time to work on this. I've decided to merge the extra content from the following five chapters since the difference is fairly small and the original chapters should now have this English content. Could you delete these five pages now that they are no longer needed? [[User:Mithridates|Mithridates]] ([[User talk:Mithridates|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mithridates|contribs]]) 14:02, 5 October 2024 (UTC) ::::: [[Salute, Jonathan!/Capitul 1 - with notes]] ::::: [[Salute, Jonathan!/Capitul 2 - with notes]] ::::: [[Salute, Jonathan!/Capitul 3 - with notes]] ::::: [[Salute, Jonathan!/Capitul 4 - with notes]] ::::: [[Salute, Jonathan!/Capitul 5 - with notes]] [[User:Mithridates|Mithridates]] ([[User talk:Mithridates|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mithridates|contribs]]) 14:02, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :::::: [[File:Yes_check.svg|{{#ifeq:|small|8|15}}px|link=|alt=]] {{#ifeq:|small|<small>|}}'''Done'''{{#ifeq:|small|</small>|}} — [[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 23:34, 5 October 2024 (UTC) ::::::: Hi again! No luck trying to find a home for the random language translations on other auxlang wikis, can't find one that is actively maintained. ::::::: The thought struck me that maybe I could just put those ones on a sub page of my user page, would that be permitted? If not, I think I'll just stick them somewhere in GitHub and call it a day since none of the people who started the translations seem to care enough to do anything about them. I'd rather not see them outright disappear but since they aren't mine I don't care enough about them to do much more work than copy and paste them somewhere. ::::::: (I would leave the ones in languages with an ISO-639 code and Wikipedia here, of course) — [[User:Mithridates|Mithridates]] ([[User talk:Mithridates|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mithridates|contribs]]) 14:13, 9 November 2024 (UTC) :::::::: Thank you for checking! I don't personally see an issue with moving them to your user space right now. Cheers — [[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 17:21, 9 November 2024 (UTC) ::::::::: Thanks a lot! I've started a single page where I will put them all here [[User:Mithridates/SJ]] and will proceed slowly due to lack of time and also to avoid stepping on any toes / asking you to delete too much at a time and possibly deleting the wrong content. ::::::::: For this week I have put the content for the languages Audia, Cristianès, Guosa, Lingaust, Mini, Mirad, and Monav on that page as they all have a single page of content and didn't take much time to move. Please delete those. Once they are gone I will add a note on the main page letting people know where they have gone (in addition to a thank you for their interest in the book! I do love how many people have recognized it as a good source material for teaching a language). — [[User:Mithridates|Mithridates]] ([[User talk:Mithridates|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mithridates|contribs]]) 04:09, 10 November 2024 (UTC) : {{keep}} the translations for languages that have an article on the English Wikipedia, i.e. Guosa, Idiom Neutral, Ido, Interlingua, Lingwa de Planeta, Negerhollands, Neo, Novial, Occidental, Romanica, Solresol, Toki Pona, and Volapük. : Translations for languages that don't have an article can be kept if they have reliable sources, which I was able to find for the following languages (if you think they are not reliable, please let me know): :* Globasa: [https://www.languagesandnumbers.com/how-to-count-in-globasa/en/globasa/] [https://greyson.conlang.org/2020/01/29/shouting-out-globasa-and-pandunia/] :* Mini: [https://jprogr.github.io/mini] [https://www.omniglot.com/language/phrases/mini.htm] [https://www.languagesandnumbers.com/how-to-count-in-mini/en/mini/] : {{del}} and move to [[User:Mithridates/SJ]] the rest of the translations, i.e. Audià/Audian, Cristianés, Ekumenski, Germanisch, Interocidental, Lingaust, Lingue Simple, Masa Tang, Mirad, Monav, Monkel, Mundeze, Nordien, Novlingue, Numo, Proyo, and Scuian/Meteza. If you can find reliable sources for those languages, please let me know. : In particular, I could not find resources for Audià/Audian and Monav after searching through 15 and 17 pages on Google, respectively. It doesn't help that [[Òla, Ionatà!|their]] [[Hai, Jon!|translations]] don't explain what those languages are and where to find resources for them. This makes contributing to those translations almost impossible until @[[User:Caro de Segeda|Caro de Segeda]] can provide resources to us. It's possible that the resources may have disappared from the Internet, or that those languages were created by Caro de Segeda him/herself. If you can find resources for Audià/Audian and Monav, please let me know. : I'm notifying the primary contributors of the translations: @[[User:Caro de Segeda|Caro de Segeda]], @[[User:Frzzl|Frzzl]], @[[User:Greatscotteh|Greatscotteh]], @[[User:IHateNumbers234|IHateNumbers234]], @[[User:Jayeless2|Jayeless2]], @[[User:Morozof|Morozof]], @[[User:Omnihom|Omnihom]], @[[User:Omoutuazn|Omoutuazn]], @[[User:PovriNaivon|PovriNaivon]], @[[User:Sir Beluga|Sir Beluga]] and @[[User:Tyoyafud|Tyoyafud]]. — [[User:EJPPhilippines|EJPPhilippines]] ([[User talk:EJPPhilippines|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/EJPPhilippines|contribs]]) 09:52, 30 June 2025 (UTC) :: Caro de Segeda said on [https://www.reddit.com/r/conlangs/comments/1lcnz9g/comment/n0sc3wx/ Reddit] that Monav was created by him/her and that he/she didn't publish any resources about it other than [[Hai, Jon!]]. With '''zero''' other resources to rely on for contributing to the translation, and the fact that Monav is in [[User:Mithridates/SJ]], [[Hai, Jon!]] should be speedy deleted. — [[User:EJPPhilippines|EJPPhilippines]] ([[User talk:EJPPhilippines|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/EJPPhilippines|contribs]]) 01:38, 3 July 2025 (UTC) ::: I've undone the speedy deletion as Caro de Segeda posted a [https://prexins.wordpress.com/2025/07/04/monav/ resource] for Monav. — [[User:EJPPhilippines|EJPPhilippines]] ([[User talk:EJPPhilippines|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/EJPPhilippines|contribs]]) 07:18, 4 July 2025 (UTC) :::: You can delete all the ones that I have created myself, I have already moved them to other places. — [[User:Caro de Segeda|Caro de Segeda]] ([[User talk:Caro de Segeda|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Caro de Segeda|contribs]]) 12:39, 5 July 2025 (UTC) {{outdent|::::}}I don't know if this is helpful since it wouldn't apply to most of these, but [[s:mul:]] could hold some of these. — [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Arlo Barnes|contribs]]) 09:18, 30 November 2025 (UTC) : I don't think that would be within the scope of that project. I'm not aware of any other situation where Wikisource publishes translations of texts created on Wikimedia projects - that's usually left up to other language editions of the same project. — [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 05:34, 1 December 2025 (UTC) :: In this situation there isn't a separate [[s:ie:]] distinct from Multilingual Wikisource (see [[meta:Wikisource#List of Wikisources]]). In fact, there are very few multilingual wikis in the Wikimedia sphere; while this project ''could'' move to a Miraheze-hosted or similar wiki farm location, I think it would be a missed opportunity. I suppose an [[Interlingue]] book could be started in [[shelf:Constructed languages]] which would have all 100 chapters as an appendix (and likewise for the other languages), but that also seems non-ideal since it requires an English-language text that doesn't currently exist to be created. [[WB:AT]] seems to describe a similar situation to this one and prescribe Wikisource as the solution, and [[WB:SOURCE]] mentions fiction as out-of-scope for Wikibooks (even as in this case, language-educational fiction). [[s:mul:Wikisource:about Wikisource]] simply speaks of source texts and doesn't mention publication requirements, so maybe that is specific to some of the monolingual editions? — [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Arlo Barnes|contribs]]) 22:28, 5 December 2025 (UTC) :{{keep}} 100% keep. These books are a core part of language textbooks on Wikibooks and have been for years. Not sure why this is even being debated.--[[User:Xania|Xania]] [[Image:Flag_of_Estonia.svg|15px]] [[Image:Flag_of_Ukraine.svg|15px]] [[User talk:Xania|^talk]] 17:55, 16 May 2026 (UTC) ::With all due respect, some of the books included in this nomination (like [[Sin Chao, Jonathan!]]) are written in constructed languages which are not substantially attested anywhere else. I struggle to imagine any educational purpose for such a book. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 00:12, 17 May 2026 (UTC) == [[International Baccalaureate]] == Not actually a book in and of itself; rather, it is just a compilation of links to other books —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 23:24, 18 October 2024 (UTC) : Could this be salvaged as a shelf? [[User:Pppery|Pppery]] ([[User talk:Pppery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pppery|contribs]]) 05:23, 27 January 2025 (UTC) ::Probably, but are the linked books even useful? IB exams change from year to year - sometimes quite dramatically - so an old exam guide is of very limited value. Many of these books were written 10-15 years ago, and some of them (like [[IB French]]) even have comments indicating that they're no longer applicable. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 02:18, 8 December 2025 (UTC) == [[Character List for Baxter&Sagart]] == Seems completely out of scope as an educational book; it's just a list of characters and outlinks —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 23:53, 18 October 2024 (UTC) :Adding [[Character List for Karlgren's GSR]] and [[Character List for Schuessler's CGSR]] for the same reason —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 23:55, 18 October 2024 (UTC) :These three books do make a package and I agree they should be considered together. However, I strongly object to deleting them. They are really extremely useful resources. I use them every week and I know that many people who do work on Old Chinese phonology do so. There are lots of books out there that are lists of characters, these are called dictionaries. For example Axel Schuessler's ABC Etymological Dictionary of Old Chinese, or Pulleyblank's Lexicon of Reconstructed Pronunciation in Early Middle Chinese, Late Middle Chinese, and Early Mandarin. I see it as entirely a good thing for reference works of this kind to be available free online rather than only in expensive books in university research libraries. If this is in violation of a Wikibooks policy, I would at least like that policy to be drawn to my attention and to have some constructive comment offered about which Wikiproject such a resource should fall under. I will also say on a personal note that I have put literally hundreds of hours of work into these projects and it would grieve me a lot to see this work simply vanish, in particular when I know that colleagues around the world use these books. --[[User:Tibetologist|Tibetologist]] ([[User talk:Tibetologist|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Tibetologist|contribs]]) 07:27, 1 November 2024 (UTC) ::Hi @[[User:Tibetologist|Tibetologist]], and thank you for the feedback! Official Wikibooks policy does not permit standalone dictionaries (see [[WB:DICT]]), though I understand the argument that it is a useful resource. I am wondering if there might be a home for it at [[Wiktionary:Wiktionary:Welcome, newcomers|Wiktionary]] or [[Wikiversity:Wikiversity:SHARE|Wikiversity]]? Cheers —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 12:14, 1 November 2024 (UTC) :::The policy says to use Wiktionary, but these books cannot be moved there. In fact they link there, you can understand me as having made an index to wiktionary, if you like, where the ORDER of the characters is extremely important, information that would be lost in Wiktionary. :::Wikiversity is not a project I participate in, and in any event my books here are older than it, so this option was not available for me at the relevant moment. If you are offering to move my books to Wikiversity, that is very kind of you and I will very graciously accept. [[User:Tibetologist|Tibetologist]] ([[User talk:Tibetologist|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Tibetologist|contribs]]) 14:10, 1 November 2024 (UTC) ::::I have pinged over at Wikiversity Colloquium to ask about suitability and have looped you into the conversation over there. Cheers —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 18:20, 1 November 2024 (UTC) ::I concur. I'm just an undergrad who tries to learn about Sino-Tibetan historical linguistics in his free time but I've found this wikibook to be incredibly useful, and I keep it open in one tab while I watch Professor Nathan Hill's lectures that he uploads to youtube in another tab, and another tab for taking notes. In fact if I remember correctly Professor Hill actually pointed his students to this wikibook. ::I'm not familiar with [[wikiversity:Wikiversity:SHARE|Wikiversity]] but if all the content were as accessible there as it is here then I think that could work. [[User:ChromeBones|ChromeBones]] ([[User talk:ChromeBones|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/ChromeBones|contribs]]) 02:43, 9 July 2025 (UTC) :Per [[:v:Wikiversity:Colloquium#Import_Resource_From_Wikibooks?]], I recommend copying and pasting, including attribution via the edit summary and talk page, add appropriate categories and links, and then it could be deleted locally. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''vf</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 22:32, 3 November 2024 (UTC) == [[Suomen kieli käyttöön]] == Multiple pages in this book are written entirely in Finnish, which is out of the enWB scope. —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 00:09, 19 October 2024 (UTC) :I was going to say whether we should ask any fiwikibooks sysop to maybe see if this could be transwikied to fiwb if it's within the scope there. But [[:fi:Toiminnot:Käyttäjät/sysop]] indicates that there are only 3 sysops, and only {{u|Anr}} and {{u|Zache}} have made edits this ''year''. If they deem it to be salvageable, then transwiki + delete, otherwise straight-up delete. --[[User:SHB2000|SHB2000]] ([[User talk:SHB2000|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/SHB2000|contribs]]) 11:24, 14 November 2024 (UTC) ::It seems that the idea behind the book was for the pages to be bilingual, as it’s a language learning book. That’s why there are Finnish texts included intentionally even on the pages that are complete. There are similar books in dewikibooks and ruwikibooks as well. For the English version, I think the easiest way to proceed would be to clean up and adjust the page layout to fit enwikibooks better, and then translate the missing parts. By the way, if anyone wants to update the book’s name in English, it can be titled ''"Using the Finnish Language"'' or ''"Put Finnish Language into Use"'' for a direct translation. [[User:Zache|Zache]] ([[User talk:Zache|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Zache|contribs]]) 11:57, 14 November 2024 (UTC) == [[AT&T Mobility FAQ]] == * [[AT&T Mobility FAQ]] * [[AT&T Mobility FAQ/MEdia Net Configuration]] * [[AT&T Mobility FAQ/Data Connect Configuration]] An ''extremely'' outdated FAQ on AT&T's cell phone services. Most of this document was written 20+ years ago as a Usenet FAQ; very little of it is accurate or useful anymore (particularly the two subpages, which have to do with obsolete configurations for "tethering" a computer to a cell phone). No objection if someone wants to update it, but there's clearly been no appetite to do that. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 22:20, 30 December 2024 (UTC) :I'm wondering if it might make sense for us to develop some kind of policy on archiving books here. There are many like this one that have a good deal of content but are extremely out of date and just not useful as originally intended. ——[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 22:34, 30 December 2024 (UTC) ::@[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]]: See the newly developed [[Wikibooks:Outdated books]]. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[wikt:she|she]]/[[wikt:they|they]]) 00:16, 31 December 2024 (UTC) :::Ooh, thanks - something like that seems like it could be an appropriate way to handle this book. A lot of the other outdated books I've tagged have been so incomplete that they wouldn't have been particularly useful even as historical references; this one might at least have some interest. :::Any chance we can get a separate namespace (maybe "Archive:") set up for archived book content? That'd make it possible to do things like exclude them from on-site search by default. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 21:07, 31 December 2024 (UTC) ::::I think this might be a more extended discussion, so I'll bump it over to the [[Wikibooks talk:Outdated books|talk page of the draft policy]]! —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 21:54, 31 December 2024 (UTC) == Algebra/Chapter 10/Symmetric Polynomials == I personally believe that [[Algebra/Chapter 10/Symmetric Polynomials|this]], and all of the sections should be deleted for the fact that this goes WAY beyond the scope of what was intended for the Chapter (Algebra II level polynomials). [[User:GoreyCat|GoreyCat]] ([[User talk:GoreyCat|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/GoreyCat|contribs]]) 15:07, 6 February 2025 (UTC) :'''Split''': Deletion here is not the best solution (see [[w:WP:ATD]]). Instead, this page and its subpages should be moved to another book, most likely [[Abstract Algebra]]. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[wikt:she|she]]/[[wikt:they|they]]) 17:35, 6 February 2025 (UTC) :{{keep}} since there is a good amount of content. If [[Abstract Algebra]] is appropriate, it seems like a fine idea to move there. —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 22:59, 7 February 2025 (UTC) ::Eh, yeah, I supposed moving it is better. I just don't think it's suitable for where it appears. [[User:GoreyCat|GoreyCat]] ([[User talk:GoreyCat|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/GoreyCat|contribs]]) 01:40, 8 February 2025 (UTC) == [[Puredyne]] == Development of Puredyne Linux was discontinued in 2012, and the software no longer appears to be available for download anywhere. (An archive of the web site is still up - with a bunch of embedded spam links - but the download links are all dead.) Is this a suitable candidate for archival (cf. [[Wikibooks:Outdated books]]), or should it just be deleted? [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 04:35, 5 March 2025 (UTC) :I'd just archive stuff like this. Looks like a decent bit of work went into it, and you never know when someone might need to use Puredyne for some obscure project. I'd be willing to bet mirrors exist of it somewhere, or someone has it on a drive. If you want to find some stuff worth deleting, comb through [[:Category:Allbooks categories]]. [[User:MediaKyle|MediaKyle]] ([[User talk:MediaKyle|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaKyle|contribs]]) 11:30, 5 March 2025 (UTC) == [[Template:Qr-twwp]] == This isn't exactly a request to delete the template, but rather to merge it with {{tlx|Copypaste}}. The {{tlx|Qr-twwp}} template serves the same purpose as {{tlx|Copypaste}}, but without the seven-day period after which the page is deleted. This leads to confusion, as well as a perpetually full [[:Category:Queried pages]]. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[wikt:she|she]]/[[wikt:they|they]]) 17:37, 30 March 2025 (UTC) == [[Ghouls of the Miskatonic]] == I don't think that a plot summary of a book is in-scope here. —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 18:43, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :{{vd}} - at least, not a summary of ''this'' book. A summary and/or study guide to a notable work of literature might be in scope, but this is certainly not one. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 21:23, 25 August 2025 (UTC) ::Hi. I am the creator of the pages of this book. If I understand correctly, it has to be a summary of a notable work of literature? So what exactly is defined as such? I only started this as I thought it would be fun, interesting and encouraging to others who read the Arkham Horror novels, and I thought it was permitted as I've seen other summaries of books on wikibooks. [[User:Dayne90|Dayne90]] ([[User talk:Dayne90|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dayne90|contribs]]) 13:27, 26 August 2025 (UTC) :::Your problem is it is just the plot... it needs to include an educational textual analysis to be in scope [[User:MarcGarver|MarcGarver]] ([[User talk:MarcGarver|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MarcGarver|contribs]]) 12:47, 28 August 2025 (UTC) ::::And ideally it'd be a text which has ''already'' been the subject of literary analysis, such that the analysis on Wikibooks isn't original research. A notable work of literature like ''Frankenstein'' or ''Moby-Dick'' would easily meet that requirement; a tie-in novel for a tabletop RPG probably does not. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 22:08, 29 August 2025 (UTC) == [[Objective Projection: Why the Brain Never Forgets Some Stories]] == Undisclosed AI-generated content. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 02:13, 9 May 2026 (UTC) :<nowiki>'''Keep'''</nowiki> — Comment from page author/subject expert. :I am Levent Bulut, the originator of the <nowiki>''</nowiki>Objective Projection<nowiki>''</nowiki> methodology described in this book (ORCID: 0009-0007-7500-2261, Wikidata: Q138048287). I want to address the AI-generated content concern directly and transparently. :<nowiki>'''</nowiki>On the content itself:<nowiki>'''</nowiki> The methodology, theoretical framework (the six-variable operator E(r) = projS(M, T, V, Δ, Ω, Ng), the Six Golden Rules, the Six-Layer Framework), and all original arguments are my own intellectual work, developed and published independently. This is documented through: :* 26 DOI-registered academic publications on Zenodo (search: "Levent Bulut Objective Projection") :* A peer-reviewed submission currently under review at <nowiki>''</nowiki>Digital Humanities Quarterly<nowiki>''</nowiki> :* Parallel Turkish-language Wikibook and Wikiversity pages on the same methodology :* An open-source SFT dataset on Hugging Face (leventbulut/objective-projection) :<nowiki>'''</nowiki>On AI assistance:<nowiki>'''</nowiki> I used AI tools (Claude) for English translation polish and copy-editing from my Turkish source materials — the same way a non-native English-speaking academic would use a human translator or editor. The <nowiki>''</nowiki>ideas, structure, terminology, citations, and arguments<nowiki>''</nowiki> are entirely my own and pre-date the Wikibooks version, traceable through Zenodo DOI timestamps starting in 2025. :<nowiki>'''</nowiki>Proposed remedy instead of deletion:<nowiki>'''</nowiki> I am happy to: :# Add a clear AI-assistance disclosure to the book's preface, per Wikibooks transparency norms :# Add inline citations to the underlying DOI-registered publications for every major claim :# Link to the parallel Turkish version and academic record :This would address the <nowiki>''</nowiki>undisclosed<nowiki>''</nowiki> part of the concern (which is the actionable policy issue) while preserving content that is original academic work by an identifiable author with a published track record. Deletion of original scholarship because translation assistance was used would set a concerning precedent for non-native English contributors. :<nowiki>I request a few days to add the disclosure and citations before any deletion action. ~~~~</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-28847-60|&#126;2026-28847-60]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-28847-60|talk]]) 18:46, 13 May 2026 (UTC) ::Administrative assistance needed: Automated filters blocking structural improvements and disclosures ::'''Request for Help''' — I am Levent Bulut, the author of this book. I have already provided my AI disclosure and academic credentials (ORCID, DOI list) here in this discussion. ::I am trying to update the book to comply with Wikibooks standards by: ::Adding a formal '''AI assistance disclosure''' at the top of the page. ::Restructuring the content into an '''instructional textbook format''' (adding Learning Objectives). ::Converting plain text formulas into '''LaTeX''' ( format). ::Updating references to include full academic '''DOI''' records. ::However, the automated filter is blocking all my attempts: ::If I try to replace the content with the improved version, it triggers the '''"large amount of content removal"''' filter. ::If I try to add specific academic links, it triggers the '''"automated link/spam"''' filter. ::I am essentially trapped by the filters while trying to improve the book and follow transparency norms. Could an administrator please either whitelist my account or manually apply the improved version of the text? I am ready to provide the full MediaWiki code here if requested. My intent is purely constructive and academic. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-28847-60|&#126;2026-28847-60]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-28847-60|talk]]) 19:15, 13 May 2026 (UTC) ::: Hi, @[[User:~2026-28847-60|~2026-28847-60]]. Your account was incorrectly locked by a steward. It is now currently unlocked. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 17:44, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::: Pinging @[[User:Projection Architect|Projection Architect]], who was previously LeventBulut. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 15:51, 4 July 2026 (UTC) ::Please review [[Wikibooks:Artificial intelligence]]. It states unequivocally that {{tq|LLMs may not be used to generate or summarize material and ideas at Wikibooks}}, and that {{tq|translations made by LLMs are not allowed on Wikibooks}}. The fact that you did not disclose your usage of AI is part of the problem, but disclosing it does not make it allowable either. ::More broadly, based on what you've said above, the content of this book is a reflection of your personal theories on writing. This is essentially [[Wikibooks:Original research]] and is not permitted. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 22:36, 13 May 2026 (UTC) == [[Suicide]] == I realize this book has been nominated for deletion before ([[Wikibooks:Requests for deletion/Suicide|1]], [[Wikibooks:Requests for deletion/Suicide (2)|2]], [[Wikibooks:Requests for deletion/Suicide/Suffocation|3]]), but it's been over ten years since the last nomination. The project's position on what material is in its educational scope has shifted, as have some of the facts on the ground. * The chartered purpose of Wikibooks is to produce "open-content textbooks" (cf. [[Wikibooks:What is Wikibooks?]]) which are suitable for use in an instructional environment. Providing educational information about suicide in the context of psychiatry could certainly be in scope, as psychiatry is an educational topic; however, instructional material on how to commit suicide is not an educational topic, and should not be considered in scope. * This book is, and has always been, primarily intended as an instructional work guiding users on how to commit suicide. It provides effectively no meaningful analytical content ''about'' suicide as a topic. Most of the original content in the book was imported from an early-2000s wiki associated with the <code>alt.suicide.holiday</code> Usenet group, the "ASH wiki", which was specifically and unequivocally dedicated to describing and recommending methods by which readers could commit suicide, and this has carried through to the current version of the book. * Most of the content in the book was removed in 2020 (by redirecting it to the book's main page, e.g. [[Special:Diff/3660495]]) over concerns that it was created by a WMF-banned user ([[User:Leucosticte]]), and because it was likely in violation of the ASH wiki's (unclear) copyright. These changes removed most of the content of the book; much of what remains is image gallery pages like [[Suicide/Blades]] which have no educational value. Suicide is a sensitive topic; if it is covered by a textbook, it should be covered tastefully and with an aim to educate. This book is largely the opposite of that. Having it here is doing more harm than good. If this book is deleted, the following related pages should be deleted as well: * [[Template:Suicide methods]] * [[Template:Infobox suicide method]] (currently unused) * [[User:Leucosticte/About ASH]] - from the ASH wiki, as mentioned above * [[User:Leucosticte/Frequently Asked Questions]] - also from the ASH wiki [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 22:41, 21 July 2026 (UTC) : {{keep|weak keep}} a)&nbsp;Age is no argument. There are many stale underdeveloped books I would rather delete than keeping around. b)&nbsp;The book’s topic is exceptionally difficult to write about. ''This'' impedes collaborative authoring. c)&nbsp;The book does not really explain ''how'' to commit suicide (like a step‐by‐step guide), neither is it the book’s learning objective. d)&nbsp;Even if ''you construed'' the chapter summarizing various suicide methods ''as instructions'', instructional material on how to commit suicide ''is'' an educational topic. In most ''present‐day societies'' it is not ''ethical'' to teach students how to commit suicide, though. e)&nbsp;Therefore the correct path is to first alter the [[WB:WIW#Wikibooks includes instructional texts|project scope]] to censor books on ethical grounds ''and then'' nominate the book for censorship. ‑‑[[User:Kai Burghardt|Kai Burghardt]] ([[User talk:Kai Burghardt|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kai Burghardt|contribs]]) 04:50, 28 July 2026 (UTC) ::Re. c: most of the explicit directions were edited out in 2020, as noted in my nomination, but are still visible in page history. For a couple of explicit examples, see e.g. [[Special:Permalink/3318613]] or [[Special:Permalink/3654645]]. Providing specific instructions was the original intent of this book, and it has never escaped that legacy. If someone were interested in writing a book ''about'' the phenomenon of suicide, they would be better off starting afresh. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 05:26, 28 July 2026 (UTC) *'''Delete all'''. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 16:17, 28 July 2026 (UTC) *:why? [[Special:Contributions/~2026-40500-29|~2026-40500-29]] ([[User talk:~2026-40500-29|talk]]) 15:49, 19 September 2026 (UTC) * '''Delete all''' per the nomination above. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color: blue">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 02:17, 30 July 2026 (UTC) * '''Keep''' with caution. Rename to "suicide prevention"?--[[User:TunnelESON|TunnelESON]] ([[User talk:TunnelESON|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/TunnelESON|contribs]]) 04:03, 2 September 2026 (UTC) *:Re. the rename: absolutely not. There is no content in the book about suicide prevention. If you are interested in writing a book on that topic, please start a new one. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 18:48, 5 September 2026 (UTC) :{{keep}} - :1. "instructional material on how to commit suicide is not an educational topic" - I think it can be construed as one depending on the person (and does not have to imply that the person is at risk) :2. Not a reason. :3. Not a reason. It is up to the community to decide whether to accept a banned user's work. [[User:Leaderboard|Leaderboard]] ([[User talk:Leaderboard|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Leaderboard|contribs]]) 13:37, 6 September 2026 (UTC) == [[Chess Opening Theory/1. g4/1...Na6]] == Nonsense position, one of the worst opening moves for White countered by a move hurting development for Black. [https://www.365chess.com/search_position.php Searching] on 365chess.com finds zero games with this position. See also a similar [[Wikibooks:Requests for deletion/Chess Opening Theory/1. e4/1...e5/2. Na3]]. [[User:1234qwer1234qwer4|𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰]] ([[User talk:1234qwer1234qwer4|𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠]]) 02:20, 13 September 2026 (UTC) :{{vd}} With some reservations, in that just being a bad move doesn't make it ''not'' a strategy. That said, the lack of actual game presence means it's unnecessary to keep around. [[User:EggRoll97|EggRoll97]] ([[User talk:EggRoll97|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/EggRoll97|contribs]]) 16:16, 14 September 2026 (UTC) == [[Art And AI]] == Suspected rampant LLM use; this also seems to violate [[WB:BLOG]] and [[WB:SOURCE]], since this seems largely like personal research/personal essays and opinions. —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 14:25, 17 September 2026 (UTC) :{{vd}} - as a book, this isn't even particularly coherent. For instance, chapters like [[Art And AI/Tools Of The Artist]] have no clear relationship to the intended topic. And the chapters which do address the topic, like [[Art And AI/Can AIs Go On Strike]], certainly seem more like an opinion piece (if not outright fantasy content) than serious material appropriate for an instructional text. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 00:03, 18 September 2026 (UTC) :{{vd}}, does not fit this project and appears to be LLM-generated. No useful content. [[User:Ternera|Ternera]] ([[User talk:Ternera|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ternera|contribs]]) 15:13, 19 September 2026 (UTC) == [[A-level Computing AQA Paper 1 Skeleton program 2027]] == This was proposed for speedy deletion by [[User:Omphalographer]] as 'not being a book'. However, I think this page's future requires further discussion from the community. Maybe some input would be appreciated?[[User:TechVindicator|TechVindicator]] ([[User talk:TechVindicator|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/TechVindicator|contribs]]) 23:51, 21 September 2026 (UTC) :As best I can tell, this is a page students are using to collaborate on solutions for a standardized test. There are a number of similar pages for other years linked from [[A-level Computing/AQA/Paper 1/Skeleton program]]. :This is not a good fit for Wikibooks. If these students are interested in this kind of collaboration, it should take place elsewhere. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 00:14, 22 September 2026 (UTC) o9xoqm0csorp8lmykgujz76139gjx5h 4671674 4671673 2026-09-22T00:18:01Z TechVindicator 3626296 /* A-level Computing AQA Paper 1 Skeleton program 2027 */ 4671674 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ [[Category:Wikibooks deletion|{{PAGENAME}}]] {{Discussion Rooms}} {{TOCleft}} {{shortcut|WB:RFD}} {{Requests for deletion/New deletion}} {{Requests for deletion/Deletion intro}} <!-- New deletion nominations go at the bottom of page. --> == [[Salute, Jonathan!]] and its translations == <div style="column-count: 7;"> * [[Salute, Jonathan!|Interlingue/Occidental]] ([[w:en:Occidental|w]], original) * [[Òla, Ionatà!|Audià]] * [[Holo, Jonathan!|Cristianés]] * [[Terve, Jonathan!|Ekumenski]] * [[Hej, Jonathan! (Germanisch)|Germanisch]] * [[Salom, Jonatan!|Globasa]] * [[Àlŏ, Jonathan!|Guosa]] ([[w:en:Guosa|w]]) * [[Salut, Jonathan!|Idiom Neutral]] ([[w:en:Idiom Neutral|w]]) * [[Saluto, Jonathan! (Ido)|Ido]] ([[w:en:Ido|w]]) * [[Hallo, Jonathan!|Interlingua]] ([[w:en:Interlingua|w]]) * [[Salut, Jonathan! (Interocidental)|Interocidental]] * [[Bune Ğonatan!|Lingaust]] * [[Oila, Jonatan!|Lingue Simple]] * [[Haloo, Jonatan!|Lingwa de Planeta]] ([[w:en:Lingwa de Planeta|w]]) * [[Sin Chao, Jonathan!|Masa Tang]] * [[Salut, ionatano!|Meteza]] * [[Salu, Jon!|Mini]] * [[Hay, Jonathan!|Mirad]] * [[Hai, Jon!|Monav]] * [[Sesan Jon!|Monkel]] * [[Salam, Jonathan!|Mundeze]] * [[Dag, Jonathan!|Negerhollands]] ([[w:en:Negerhollands|w]]) * [[Salut Jonathan!|Neo]] ([[w:en:Neo|w]]) * [[Hej, Jonathan!|Nordien]] * [[Saluto, Jonathan!|Novial]] ([[w:en:Novial|w]]) * [[Salute, Jonathan! (Novlingue)|Novlingue]] * [[Alo, Jonathan!|Numo]] * [[Hela, Jonathan!|Proyo]] * [[Salute, Jonathan! (Romanica)|Romanica]] ([[w:en:Romanica|w]]) * [[Simi, Jonathan!|Solresol]] ([[w:en:Solresol|w]]) * [[Toki a, jan Jonatan!|Toki Pona]] ([[w:en:Toki Pona|w]]) * [[Glidis, o Jonathan!|Volapük]] ([[w:en:Volapük|w]]) </div> There are a couple of issues here: # Beyond their introductions, all of these books are written in languages which are not English, making them out of scope for the English Wikibooks. # All but one of these books are in fact written in constructed languages, most of them in recently created conlangs. In some cases (e.g. [[Sin Chao, Jonathan!]]), I can't find any reliable sources describing the target language outside of the translation itself. # Most of the translations (i.e. other than [[Salute, Jonathan!]] itself) were abandoned within the first five or so chapters (out of 100); none of them are complete, and there seems to be little effort to complete any of them. While I recognize that this is an unusual project, and potentially one which could have some value, it's not at all clear to me that the English Wikibooks is the right place for it. — [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 00:24, 29 September 2024 (UTC) : I'm really not sure what to do about these ones. While I recognize that this approach is certainly one method of teaching a language, I'm not sure that it constitutes an educational textbook. We do require that the English Wikibooks be written in English—for language-learning books, this typically means that the instructional parts are in English while the exercises are in the language being taught. I do think that if the language doesn't have much supporting evidence outside the book itself, it can safely be deleted. — [[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 01:01, 29 September 2024 (UTC) : Author of the book here. I originally wanted to put it in the Interlingue Wikibooks https://ie.wikibooks.org/wiki/Principal_p%C3%A1gine but it somehow got locked when I wasn't paying attention and so I ended up putting it here. Getting it unlocked requires going through the process of starting an Incubator and all the rest so I opted for here and then started putting some English-only content once it was done. It's sort of in the same vein as books like Lingua Latina per se Illustrata that have separate versions with teacher notes and whatnot. [[Salute, Jonathan!/Capitul 1 - with notes]] After it was done the auxlang community really took to it which was a nice surprise. I think Ido has the largest number of chapters at the moment at 15. :If the vast content of this book could be used to justify a quick reopening of the Interlingue Wikibooks to move it there, I'd love to do that. I imagine that an incubator with 100+ book chapters would be enough to open a Wikibooks and that's what this is. — [[User:Mithridates|Mithridates]] ([[User talk:Mithridates|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mithridates|contribs]]) 06:02, 29 September 2024 (UTC) : Ah, I just realized that we do have a proposal to reopen the Interlingue Wikibooks: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikibooks_Interlingue along with an Incubator page here. https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wb/ie/Principal_p%C3%A1gine : How easy would it be to migrate the entirety of Salute Jonathan to there? — [[User:Mithridates|Mithridates]] ([[User talk:Mithridates|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mithridates|contribs]]) 06:30, 29 September 2024 (UTC) :: Hi @[[User:Mithridates|Mithridates]]! I'm not sure how incubator projects work, but I fully support migrating these books there. You may want to inquire over there and link to this discussion to support your request to move the content over there. Cheers! — [[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 13:16, 29 September 2024 (UTC) ::: Hi! Actually I have a third idea to propose after thinking about this again today (haven't been here much since I finished the book): I noticed that there is more English content than I remember and that might make it an awkward fit for the Interlingue Wikibooks. I definitely agree that having all the auxlang translations for new auxlang projects goes well beyond the scope of this Wikibooks. Finally, there are some auxlangs that are notable with their own Wikipedias. ::: So the idea is the following: :::# Leave the original here and I can continue the work on the version with English notes and grammar. That will make it the same as Lingua Latina per se Illustrata, English by the Nature Method, Athenaze and all the rest. :::# The Interlingua one can move to the Interlingua Wikibooks (maybe Romanica too if they want as it is sort of a dialect of Interlingua). :::# For Ido and Lingua Franca Nova which have a Wikipedia but not a Wikibooks, I'm a little bit unsure...technically they could have their own version like the original one but would require English explanations. I could let them know and see if they are willing to do so and see what they think (work on adding English to the books vs. move the content elsewhere). :::# The rest can move to a Github repo, then be deleted, and the front page of this book can have a single link to the repo. ::: Any thoughts on that? Adding the extra English content will be easy as it is my book and I know it inside and out. ::: Edit: [https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Salute,_Jonathan!/Grammar_(pronouns) this page] I just added. — [[User:Mithridates|Mithridates]] ([[User talk:Mithridates|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mithridates|contribs]]) 13:50, 29 September 2024 (UTC) :::: Thanks for taking the time to consider this! Here are my responses/questions: ::::* Is the original [[Salute, Jonathan!]] (Occidental)? Since that one is quite fleshed out, I agree that if you edit it so the primary language of the book (e.g. headers, instructions, etc) are written in English while leaving the actual story in Occidental, it would be okay and fit in more with instructional language textbooks. ::::* For your points 2 and 3, I'm not sure how those other projects work, so I'll leave it up to them. I'm not quite sure why they would need to move, since in theory they could be revised with English as the language of instruction? Although, they have been left incomplete for a long time. ::::* For your point 4, I have no problem with that. Cheers! — [[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 16:51, 29 September 2024 (UTC) ::::: Hello again, it's the weekend so I have a bit more time to work on this. I've decided to merge the extra content from the following five chapters since the difference is fairly small and the original chapters should now have this English content. Could you delete these five pages now that they are no longer needed? [[User:Mithridates|Mithridates]] ([[User talk:Mithridates|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mithridates|contribs]]) 14:02, 5 October 2024 (UTC) ::::: [[Salute, Jonathan!/Capitul 1 - with notes]] ::::: [[Salute, Jonathan!/Capitul 2 - with notes]] ::::: [[Salute, Jonathan!/Capitul 3 - with notes]] ::::: [[Salute, Jonathan!/Capitul 4 - with notes]] ::::: [[Salute, Jonathan!/Capitul 5 - with notes]] [[User:Mithridates|Mithridates]] ([[User talk:Mithridates|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mithridates|contribs]]) 14:02, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :::::: [[File:Yes_check.svg|{{#ifeq:|small|8|15}}px|link=|alt=]] {{#ifeq:|small|<small>|}}'''Done'''{{#ifeq:|small|</small>|}} — [[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 23:34, 5 October 2024 (UTC) ::::::: Hi again! No luck trying to find a home for the random language translations on other auxlang wikis, can't find one that is actively maintained. ::::::: The thought struck me that maybe I could just put those ones on a sub page of my user page, would that be permitted? If not, I think I'll just stick them somewhere in GitHub and call it a day since none of the people who started the translations seem to care enough to do anything about them. I'd rather not see them outright disappear but since they aren't mine I don't care enough about them to do much more work than copy and paste them somewhere. ::::::: (I would leave the ones in languages with an ISO-639 code and Wikipedia here, of course) — [[User:Mithridates|Mithridates]] ([[User talk:Mithridates|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mithridates|contribs]]) 14:13, 9 November 2024 (UTC) :::::::: Thank you for checking! I don't personally see an issue with moving them to your user space right now. Cheers — [[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 17:21, 9 November 2024 (UTC) ::::::::: Thanks a lot! I've started a single page where I will put them all here [[User:Mithridates/SJ]] and will proceed slowly due to lack of time and also to avoid stepping on any toes / asking you to delete too much at a time and possibly deleting the wrong content. ::::::::: For this week I have put the content for the languages Audia, Cristianès, Guosa, Lingaust, Mini, Mirad, and Monav on that page as they all have a single page of content and didn't take much time to move. Please delete those. Once they are gone I will add a note on the main page letting people know where they have gone (in addition to a thank you for their interest in the book! I do love how many people have recognized it as a good source material for teaching a language). — [[User:Mithridates|Mithridates]] ([[User talk:Mithridates|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mithridates|contribs]]) 04:09, 10 November 2024 (UTC) : {{keep}} the translations for languages that have an article on the English Wikipedia, i.e. Guosa, Idiom Neutral, Ido, Interlingua, Lingwa de Planeta, Negerhollands, Neo, Novial, Occidental, Romanica, Solresol, Toki Pona, and Volapük. : Translations for languages that don't have an article can be kept if they have reliable sources, which I was able to find for the following languages (if you think they are not reliable, please let me know): :* Globasa: [https://www.languagesandnumbers.com/how-to-count-in-globasa/en/globasa/] [https://greyson.conlang.org/2020/01/29/shouting-out-globasa-and-pandunia/] :* Mini: [https://jprogr.github.io/mini] [https://www.omniglot.com/language/phrases/mini.htm] [https://www.languagesandnumbers.com/how-to-count-in-mini/en/mini/] : {{del}} and move to [[User:Mithridates/SJ]] the rest of the translations, i.e. Audià/Audian, Cristianés, Ekumenski, Germanisch, Interocidental, Lingaust, Lingue Simple, Masa Tang, Mirad, Monav, Monkel, Mundeze, Nordien, Novlingue, Numo, Proyo, and Scuian/Meteza. If you can find reliable sources for those languages, please let me know. : In particular, I could not find resources for Audià/Audian and Monav after searching through 15 and 17 pages on Google, respectively. It doesn't help that [[Òla, Ionatà!|their]] [[Hai, Jon!|translations]] don't explain what those languages are and where to find resources for them. This makes contributing to those translations almost impossible until @[[User:Caro de Segeda|Caro de Segeda]] can provide resources to us. It's possible that the resources may have disappared from the Internet, or that those languages were created by Caro de Segeda him/herself. If you can find resources for Audià/Audian and Monav, please let me know. : I'm notifying the primary contributors of the translations: @[[User:Caro de Segeda|Caro de Segeda]], @[[User:Frzzl|Frzzl]], @[[User:Greatscotteh|Greatscotteh]], @[[User:IHateNumbers234|IHateNumbers234]], @[[User:Jayeless2|Jayeless2]], @[[User:Morozof|Morozof]], @[[User:Omnihom|Omnihom]], @[[User:Omoutuazn|Omoutuazn]], @[[User:PovriNaivon|PovriNaivon]], @[[User:Sir Beluga|Sir Beluga]] and @[[User:Tyoyafud|Tyoyafud]]. — [[User:EJPPhilippines|EJPPhilippines]] ([[User talk:EJPPhilippines|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/EJPPhilippines|contribs]]) 09:52, 30 June 2025 (UTC) :: Caro de Segeda said on [https://www.reddit.com/r/conlangs/comments/1lcnz9g/comment/n0sc3wx/ Reddit] that Monav was created by him/her and that he/she didn't publish any resources about it other than [[Hai, Jon!]]. With '''zero''' other resources to rely on for contributing to the translation, and the fact that Monav is in [[User:Mithridates/SJ]], [[Hai, Jon!]] should be speedy deleted. — [[User:EJPPhilippines|EJPPhilippines]] ([[User talk:EJPPhilippines|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/EJPPhilippines|contribs]]) 01:38, 3 July 2025 (UTC) ::: I've undone the speedy deletion as Caro de Segeda posted a [https://prexins.wordpress.com/2025/07/04/monav/ resource] for Monav. — [[User:EJPPhilippines|EJPPhilippines]] ([[User talk:EJPPhilippines|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/EJPPhilippines|contribs]]) 07:18, 4 July 2025 (UTC) :::: You can delete all the ones that I have created myself, I have already moved them to other places. — [[User:Caro de Segeda|Caro de Segeda]] ([[User talk:Caro de Segeda|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Caro de Segeda|contribs]]) 12:39, 5 July 2025 (UTC) {{outdent|::::}}I don't know if this is helpful since it wouldn't apply to most of these, but [[s:mul:]] could hold some of these. — [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Arlo Barnes|contribs]]) 09:18, 30 November 2025 (UTC) : I don't think that would be within the scope of that project. I'm not aware of any other situation where Wikisource publishes translations of texts created on Wikimedia projects - that's usually left up to other language editions of the same project. — [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 05:34, 1 December 2025 (UTC) :: In this situation there isn't a separate [[s:ie:]] distinct from Multilingual Wikisource (see [[meta:Wikisource#List of Wikisources]]). In fact, there are very few multilingual wikis in the Wikimedia sphere; while this project ''could'' move to a Miraheze-hosted or similar wiki farm location, I think it would be a missed opportunity. I suppose an [[Interlingue]] book could be started in [[shelf:Constructed languages]] which would have all 100 chapters as an appendix (and likewise for the other languages), but that also seems non-ideal since it requires an English-language text that doesn't currently exist to be created. [[WB:AT]] seems to describe a similar situation to this one and prescribe Wikisource as the solution, and [[WB:SOURCE]] mentions fiction as out-of-scope for Wikibooks (even as in this case, language-educational fiction). [[s:mul:Wikisource:about Wikisource]] simply speaks of source texts and doesn't mention publication requirements, so maybe that is specific to some of the monolingual editions? — [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Arlo Barnes|contribs]]) 22:28, 5 December 2025 (UTC) :{{keep}} 100% keep. These books are a core part of language textbooks on Wikibooks and have been for years. Not sure why this is even being debated.--[[User:Xania|Xania]] [[Image:Flag_of_Estonia.svg|15px]] [[Image:Flag_of_Ukraine.svg|15px]] [[User talk:Xania|^talk]] 17:55, 16 May 2026 (UTC) ::With all due respect, some of the books included in this nomination (like [[Sin Chao, Jonathan!]]) are written in constructed languages which are not substantially attested anywhere else. I struggle to imagine any educational purpose for such a book. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 00:12, 17 May 2026 (UTC) == [[International Baccalaureate]] == Not actually a book in and of itself; rather, it is just a compilation of links to other books —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 23:24, 18 October 2024 (UTC) : Could this be salvaged as a shelf? [[User:Pppery|Pppery]] ([[User talk:Pppery|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pppery|contribs]]) 05:23, 27 January 2025 (UTC) ::Probably, but are the linked books even useful? IB exams change from year to year - sometimes quite dramatically - so an old exam guide is of very limited value. Many of these books were written 10-15 years ago, and some of them (like [[IB French]]) even have comments indicating that they're no longer applicable. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 02:18, 8 December 2025 (UTC) == [[Character List for Baxter&Sagart]] == Seems completely out of scope as an educational book; it's just a list of characters and outlinks —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 23:53, 18 October 2024 (UTC) :Adding [[Character List for Karlgren's GSR]] and [[Character List for Schuessler's CGSR]] for the same reason —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 23:55, 18 October 2024 (UTC) :These three books do make a package and I agree they should be considered together. However, I strongly object to deleting them. They are really extremely useful resources. I use them every week and I know that many people who do work on Old Chinese phonology do so. There are lots of books out there that are lists of characters, these are called dictionaries. For example Axel Schuessler's ABC Etymological Dictionary of Old Chinese, or Pulleyblank's Lexicon of Reconstructed Pronunciation in Early Middle Chinese, Late Middle Chinese, and Early Mandarin. I see it as entirely a good thing for reference works of this kind to be available free online rather than only in expensive books in university research libraries. If this is in violation of a Wikibooks policy, I would at least like that policy to be drawn to my attention and to have some constructive comment offered about which Wikiproject such a resource should fall under. I will also say on a personal note that I have put literally hundreds of hours of work into these projects and it would grieve me a lot to see this work simply vanish, in particular when I know that colleagues around the world use these books. --[[User:Tibetologist|Tibetologist]] ([[User talk:Tibetologist|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Tibetologist|contribs]]) 07:27, 1 November 2024 (UTC) ::Hi @[[User:Tibetologist|Tibetologist]], and thank you for the feedback! Official Wikibooks policy does not permit standalone dictionaries (see [[WB:DICT]]), though I understand the argument that it is a useful resource. I am wondering if there might be a home for it at [[Wiktionary:Wiktionary:Welcome, newcomers|Wiktionary]] or [[Wikiversity:Wikiversity:SHARE|Wikiversity]]? Cheers —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 12:14, 1 November 2024 (UTC) :::The policy says to use Wiktionary, but these books cannot be moved there. In fact they link there, you can understand me as having made an index to wiktionary, if you like, where the ORDER of the characters is extremely important, information that would be lost in Wiktionary. :::Wikiversity is not a project I participate in, and in any event my books here are older than it, so this option was not available for me at the relevant moment. If you are offering to move my books to Wikiversity, that is very kind of you and I will very graciously accept. [[User:Tibetologist|Tibetologist]] ([[User talk:Tibetologist|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Tibetologist|contribs]]) 14:10, 1 November 2024 (UTC) ::::I have pinged over at Wikiversity Colloquium to ask about suitability and have looped you into the conversation over there. Cheers —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 18:20, 1 November 2024 (UTC) ::I concur. I'm just an undergrad who tries to learn about Sino-Tibetan historical linguistics in his free time but I've found this wikibook to be incredibly useful, and I keep it open in one tab while I watch Professor Nathan Hill's lectures that he uploads to youtube in another tab, and another tab for taking notes. In fact if I remember correctly Professor Hill actually pointed his students to this wikibook. ::I'm not familiar with [[wikiversity:Wikiversity:SHARE|Wikiversity]] but if all the content were as accessible there as it is here then I think that could work. [[User:ChromeBones|ChromeBones]] ([[User talk:ChromeBones|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/ChromeBones|contribs]]) 02:43, 9 July 2025 (UTC) :Per [[:v:Wikiversity:Colloquium#Import_Resource_From_Wikibooks?]], I recommend copying and pasting, including attribution via the edit summary and talk page, add appropriate categories and links, and then it could be deleted locally. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''vf</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 22:32, 3 November 2024 (UTC) == [[Suomen kieli käyttöön]] == Multiple pages in this book are written entirely in Finnish, which is out of the enWB scope. —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 00:09, 19 October 2024 (UTC) :I was going to say whether we should ask any fiwikibooks sysop to maybe see if this could be transwikied to fiwb if it's within the scope there. But [[:fi:Toiminnot:Käyttäjät/sysop]] indicates that there are only 3 sysops, and only {{u|Anr}} and {{u|Zache}} have made edits this ''year''. If they deem it to be salvageable, then transwiki + delete, otherwise straight-up delete. --[[User:SHB2000|SHB2000]] ([[User talk:SHB2000|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/SHB2000|contribs]]) 11:24, 14 November 2024 (UTC) ::It seems that the idea behind the book was for the pages to be bilingual, as it’s a language learning book. That’s why there are Finnish texts included intentionally even on the pages that are complete. There are similar books in dewikibooks and ruwikibooks as well. For the English version, I think the easiest way to proceed would be to clean up and adjust the page layout to fit enwikibooks better, and then translate the missing parts. By the way, if anyone wants to update the book’s name in English, it can be titled ''"Using the Finnish Language"'' or ''"Put Finnish Language into Use"'' for a direct translation. [[User:Zache|Zache]] ([[User talk:Zache|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Zache|contribs]]) 11:57, 14 November 2024 (UTC) == [[AT&T Mobility FAQ]] == * [[AT&T Mobility FAQ]] * [[AT&T Mobility FAQ/MEdia Net Configuration]] * [[AT&T Mobility FAQ/Data Connect Configuration]] An ''extremely'' outdated FAQ on AT&T's cell phone services. Most of this document was written 20+ years ago as a Usenet FAQ; very little of it is accurate or useful anymore (particularly the two subpages, which have to do with obsolete configurations for "tethering" a computer to a cell phone). No objection if someone wants to update it, but there's clearly been no appetite to do that. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 22:20, 30 December 2024 (UTC) :I'm wondering if it might make sense for us to develop some kind of policy on archiving books here. There are many like this one that have a good deal of content but are extremely out of date and just not useful as originally intended. ——[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 22:34, 30 December 2024 (UTC) ::@[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]]: See the newly developed [[Wikibooks:Outdated books]]. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[wikt:she|she]]/[[wikt:they|they]]) 00:16, 31 December 2024 (UTC) :::Ooh, thanks - something like that seems like it could be an appropriate way to handle this book. A lot of the other outdated books I've tagged have been so incomplete that they wouldn't have been particularly useful even as historical references; this one might at least have some interest. :::Any chance we can get a separate namespace (maybe "Archive:") set up for archived book content? That'd make it possible to do things like exclude them from on-site search by default. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 21:07, 31 December 2024 (UTC) ::::I think this might be a more extended discussion, so I'll bump it over to the [[Wikibooks talk:Outdated books|talk page of the draft policy]]! —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 21:54, 31 December 2024 (UTC) == Algebra/Chapter 10/Symmetric Polynomials == I personally believe that [[Algebra/Chapter 10/Symmetric Polynomials|this]], and all of the sections should be deleted for the fact that this goes WAY beyond the scope of what was intended for the Chapter (Algebra II level polynomials). [[User:GoreyCat|GoreyCat]] ([[User talk:GoreyCat|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/GoreyCat|contribs]]) 15:07, 6 February 2025 (UTC) :'''Split''': Deletion here is not the best solution (see [[w:WP:ATD]]). Instead, this page and its subpages should be moved to another book, most likely [[Abstract Algebra]]. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[wikt:she|she]]/[[wikt:they|they]]) 17:35, 6 February 2025 (UTC) :{{keep}} since there is a good amount of content. If [[Abstract Algebra]] is appropriate, it seems like a fine idea to move there. —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 22:59, 7 February 2025 (UTC) ::Eh, yeah, I supposed moving it is better. I just don't think it's suitable for where it appears. [[User:GoreyCat|GoreyCat]] ([[User talk:GoreyCat|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/GoreyCat|contribs]]) 01:40, 8 February 2025 (UTC) == [[Puredyne]] == Development of Puredyne Linux was discontinued in 2012, and the software no longer appears to be available for download anywhere. (An archive of the web site is still up - with a bunch of embedded spam links - but the download links are all dead.) Is this a suitable candidate for archival (cf. [[Wikibooks:Outdated books]]), or should it just be deleted? [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 04:35, 5 March 2025 (UTC) :I'd just archive stuff like this. Looks like a decent bit of work went into it, and you never know when someone might need to use Puredyne for some obscure project. I'd be willing to bet mirrors exist of it somewhere, or someone has it on a drive. If you want to find some stuff worth deleting, comb through [[:Category:Allbooks categories]]. [[User:MediaKyle|MediaKyle]] ([[User talk:MediaKyle|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MediaKyle|contribs]]) 11:30, 5 March 2025 (UTC) == [[Template:Qr-twwp]] == This isn't exactly a request to delete the template, but rather to merge it with {{tlx|Copypaste}}. The {{tlx|Qr-twwp}} template serves the same purpose as {{tlx|Copypaste}}, but without the seven-day period after which the page is deleted. This leads to confusion, as well as a perpetually full [[:Category:Queried pages]]. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[wikt:she|she]]/[[wikt:they|they]]) 17:37, 30 March 2025 (UTC) == [[Ghouls of the Miskatonic]] == I don't think that a plot summary of a book is in-scope here. —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 18:43, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :{{vd}} - at least, not a summary of ''this'' book. A summary and/or study guide to a notable work of literature might be in scope, but this is certainly not one. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 21:23, 25 August 2025 (UTC) ::Hi. I am the creator of the pages of this book. If I understand correctly, it has to be a summary of a notable work of literature? So what exactly is defined as such? I only started this as I thought it would be fun, interesting and encouraging to others who read the Arkham Horror novels, and I thought it was permitted as I've seen other summaries of books on wikibooks. [[User:Dayne90|Dayne90]] ([[User talk:Dayne90|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dayne90|contribs]]) 13:27, 26 August 2025 (UTC) :::Your problem is it is just the plot... it needs to include an educational textual analysis to be in scope [[User:MarcGarver|MarcGarver]] ([[User talk:MarcGarver|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MarcGarver|contribs]]) 12:47, 28 August 2025 (UTC) ::::And ideally it'd be a text which has ''already'' been the subject of literary analysis, such that the analysis on Wikibooks isn't original research. A notable work of literature like ''Frankenstein'' or ''Moby-Dick'' would easily meet that requirement; a tie-in novel for a tabletop RPG probably does not. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 22:08, 29 August 2025 (UTC) == [[Objective Projection: Why the Brain Never Forgets Some Stories]] == Undisclosed AI-generated content. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 02:13, 9 May 2026 (UTC) :<nowiki>'''Keep'''</nowiki> — Comment from page author/subject expert. :I am Levent Bulut, the originator of the <nowiki>''</nowiki>Objective Projection<nowiki>''</nowiki> methodology described in this book (ORCID: 0009-0007-7500-2261, Wikidata: Q138048287). I want to address the AI-generated content concern directly and transparently. :<nowiki>'''</nowiki>On the content itself:<nowiki>'''</nowiki> The methodology, theoretical framework (the six-variable operator E(r) = projS(M, T, V, Δ, Ω, Ng), the Six Golden Rules, the Six-Layer Framework), and all original arguments are my own intellectual work, developed and published independently. This is documented through: :* 26 DOI-registered academic publications on Zenodo (search: "Levent Bulut Objective Projection") :* A peer-reviewed submission currently under review at <nowiki>''</nowiki>Digital Humanities Quarterly<nowiki>''</nowiki> :* Parallel Turkish-language Wikibook and Wikiversity pages on the same methodology :* An open-source SFT dataset on Hugging Face (leventbulut/objective-projection) :<nowiki>'''</nowiki>On AI assistance:<nowiki>'''</nowiki> I used AI tools (Claude) for English translation polish and copy-editing from my Turkish source materials — the same way a non-native English-speaking academic would use a human translator or editor. The <nowiki>''</nowiki>ideas, structure, terminology, citations, and arguments<nowiki>''</nowiki> are entirely my own and pre-date the Wikibooks version, traceable through Zenodo DOI timestamps starting in 2025. :<nowiki>'''</nowiki>Proposed remedy instead of deletion:<nowiki>'''</nowiki> I am happy to: :# Add a clear AI-assistance disclosure to the book's preface, per Wikibooks transparency norms :# Add inline citations to the underlying DOI-registered publications for every major claim :# Link to the parallel Turkish version and academic record :This would address the <nowiki>''</nowiki>undisclosed<nowiki>''</nowiki> part of the concern (which is the actionable policy issue) while preserving content that is original academic work by an identifiable author with a published track record. Deletion of original scholarship because translation assistance was used would set a concerning precedent for non-native English contributors. :<nowiki>I request a few days to add the disclosure and citations before any deletion action. ~~~~</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-28847-60|&#126;2026-28847-60]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-28847-60|talk]]) 18:46, 13 May 2026 (UTC) ::Administrative assistance needed: Automated filters blocking structural improvements and disclosures ::'''Request for Help''' — I am Levent Bulut, the author of this book. I have already provided my AI disclosure and academic credentials (ORCID, DOI list) here in this discussion. ::I am trying to update the book to comply with Wikibooks standards by: ::Adding a formal '''AI assistance disclosure''' at the top of the page. ::Restructuring the content into an '''instructional textbook format''' (adding Learning Objectives). ::Converting plain text formulas into '''LaTeX''' ( format). ::Updating references to include full academic '''DOI''' records. ::However, the automated filter is blocking all my attempts: ::If I try to replace the content with the improved version, it triggers the '''"large amount of content removal"''' filter. ::If I try to add specific academic links, it triggers the '''"automated link/spam"''' filter. ::I am essentially trapped by the filters while trying to improve the book and follow transparency norms. Could an administrator please either whitelist my account or manually apply the improved version of the text? I am ready to provide the full MediaWiki code here if requested. My intent is purely constructive and academic. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-28847-60|&#126;2026-28847-60]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-28847-60|talk]]) 19:15, 13 May 2026 (UTC) ::: Hi, @[[User:~2026-28847-60|~2026-28847-60]]. Your account was incorrectly locked by a steward. It is now currently unlocked. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 17:44, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::: Pinging @[[User:Projection Architect|Projection Architect]], who was previously LeventBulut. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 15:51, 4 July 2026 (UTC) ::Please review [[Wikibooks:Artificial intelligence]]. It states unequivocally that {{tq|LLMs may not be used to generate or summarize material and ideas at Wikibooks}}, and that {{tq|translations made by LLMs are not allowed on Wikibooks}}. The fact that you did not disclose your usage of AI is part of the problem, but disclosing it does not make it allowable either. ::More broadly, based on what you've said above, the content of this book is a reflection of your personal theories on writing. This is essentially [[Wikibooks:Original research]] and is not permitted. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 22:36, 13 May 2026 (UTC) == [[Suicide]] == I realize this book has been nominated for deletion before ([[Wikibooks:Requests for deletion/Suicide|1]], [[Wikibooks:Requests for deletion/Suicide (2)|2]], [[Wikibooks:Requests for deletion/Suicide/Suffocation|3]]), but it's been over ten years since the last nomination. The project's position on what material is in its educational scope has shifted, as have some of the facts on the ground. * The chartered purpose of Wikibooks is to produce "open-content textbooks" (cf. [[Wikibooks:What is Wikibooks?]]) which are suitable for use in an instructional environment. Providing educational information about suicide in the context of psychiatry could certainly be in scope, as psychiatry is an educational topic; however, instructional material on how to commit suicide is not an educational topic, and should not be considered in scope. * This book is, and has always been, primarily intended as an instructional work guiding users on how to commit suicide. It provides effectively no meaningful analytical content ''about'' suicide as a topic. Most of the original content in the book was imported from an early-2000s wiki associated with the <code>alt.suicide.holiday</code> Usenet group, the "ASH wiki", which was specifically and unequivocally dedicated to describing and recommending methods by which readers could commit suicide, and this has carried through to the current version of the book. * Most of the content in the book was removed in 2020 (by redirecting it to the book's main page, e.g. [[Special:Diff/3660495]]) over concerns that it was created by a WMF-banned user ([[User:Leucosticte]]), and because it was likely in violation of the ASH wiki's (unclear) copyright. These changes removed most of the content of the book; much of what remains is image gallery pages like [[Suicide/Blades]] which have no educational value. Suicide is a sensitive topic; if it is covered by a textbook, it should be covered tastefully and with an aim to educate. This book is largely the opposite of that. Having it here is doing more harm than good. If this book is deleted, the following related pages should be deleted as well: * [[Template:Suicide methods]] * [[Template:Infobox suicide method]] (currently unused) * [[User:Leucosticte/About ASH]] - from the ASH wiki, as mentioned above * [[User:Leucosticte/Frequently Asked Questions]] - also from the ASH wiki [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 22:41, 21 July 2026 (UTC) : {{keep|weak keep}} a)&nbsp;Age is no argument. There are many stale underdeveloped books I would rather delete than keeping around. b)&nbsp;The book’s topic is exceptionally difficult to write about. ''This'' impedes collaborative authoring. c)&nbsp;The book does not really explain ''how'' to commit suicide (like a step‐by‐step guide), neither is it the book’s learning objective. d)&nbsp;Even if ''you construed'' the chapter summarizing various suicide methods ''as instructions'', instructional material on how to commit suicide ''is'' an educational topic. In most ''present‐day societies'' it is not ''ethical'' to teach students how to commit suicide, though. e)&nbsp;Therefore the correct path is to first alter the [[WB:WIW#Wikibooks includes instructional texts|project scope]] to censor books on ethical grounds ''and then'' nominate the book for censorship. ‑‑[[User:Kai Burghardt|Kai Burghardt]] ([[User talk:Kai Burghardt|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kai Burghardt|contribs]]) 04:50, 28 July 2026 (UTC) ::Re. c: most of the explicit directions were edited out in 2020, as noted in my nomination, but are still visible in page history. For a couple of explicit examples, see e.g. [[Special:Permalink/3318613]] or [[Special:Permalink/3654645]]. Providing specific instructions was the original intent of this book, and it has never escaped that legacy. If someone were interested in writing a book ''about'' the phenomenon of suicide, they would be better off starting afresh. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 05:26, 28 July 2026 (UTC) *'''Delete all'''. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 16:17, 28 July 2026 (UTC) *:why? [[Special:Contributions/~2026-40500-29|~2026-40500-29]] ([[User talk:~2026-40500-29|talk]]) 15:49, 19 September 2026 (UTC) * '''Delete all''' per the nomination above. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color: blue">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 02:17, 30 July 2026 (UTC) * '''Keep''' with caution. Rename to "suicide prevention"?--[[User:TunnelESON|TunnelESON]] ([[User talk:TunnelESON|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/TunnelESON|contribs]]) 04:03, 2 September 2026 (UTC) *:Re. the rename: absolutely not. There is no content in the book about suicide prevention. If you are interested in writing a book on that topic, please start a new one. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 18:48, 5 September 2026 (UTC) :{{keep}} - :1. "instructional material on how to commit suicide is not an educational topic" - I think it can be construed as one depending on the person (and does not have to imply that the person is at risk) :2. Not a reason. :3. Not a reason. It is up to the community to decide whether to accept a banned user's work. [[User:Leaderboard|Leaderboard]] ([[User talk:Leaderboard|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Leaderboard|contribs]]) 13:37, 6 September 2026 (UTC) == [[Chess Opening Theory/1. g4/1...Na6]] == Nonsense position, one of the worst opening moves for White countered by a move hurting development for Black. [https://www.365chess.com/search_position.php Searching] on 365chess.com finds zero games with this position. See also a similar [[Wikibooks:Requests for deletion/Chess Opening Theory/1. e4/1...e5/2. Na3]]. [[User:1234qwer1234qwer4|𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰]] ([[User talk:1234qwer1234qwer4|𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠]]) 02:20, 13 September 2026 (UTC) :{{vd}} With some reservations, in that just being a bad move doesn't make it ''not'' a strategy. That said, the lack of actual game presence means it's unnecessary to keep around. [[User:EggRoll97|EggRoll97]] ([[User talk:EggRoll97|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/EggRoll97|contribs]]) 16:16, 14 September 2026 (UTC) == [[Art And AI]] == Suspected rampant LLM use; this also seems to violate [[WB:BLOG]] and [[WB:SOURCE]], since this seems largely like personal research/personal essays and opinions. —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 14:25, 17 September 2026 (UTC) :{{vd}} - as a book, this isn't even particularly coherent. For instance, chapters like [[Art And AI/Tools Of The Artist]] have no clear relationship to the intended topic. And the chapters which do address the topic, like [[Art And AI/Can AIs Go On Strike]], certainly seem more like an opinion piece (if not outright fantasy content) than serious material appropriate for an instructional text. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 00:03, 18 September 2026 (UTC) :{{vd}}, does not fit this project and appears to be LLM-generated. No useful content. [[User:Ternera|Ternera]] ([[User talk:Ternera|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ternera|contribs]]) 15:13, 19 September 2026 (UTC) == [[A-level Computing AQA Paper 1 Skeleton program 2027]] == This was proposed for speedy deletion by [[User:Omphalographer]] as 'not being a book'. However, I think this page's future requires further discussion from the community. Maybe some input would be appreciated?[[User:TechVindicator|TechVindicator]] ([[User talk:TechVindicator|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/TechVindicator|contribs]]) 23:51, 21 September 2026 (UTC) :As best I can tell, this is a page students are using to collaborate on solutions for a standardized test. There are a number of similar pages for other years linked from [[A-level Computing/AQA/Paper 1/Skeleton program]]. :This is not a good fit for Wikibooks. If these students are interested in this kind of collaboration, it should take place elsewhere. [[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] ([[User talk:Omphalographer|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Omphalographer|contribs]]) 00:14, 22 September 2026 (UTC) ::The project can be moved to Wikiversity, I think. If the students can contribute it and make sure it complies with Wikibooks' guidelines, it can stay here. [[User:TechVindicator|TechVindicator]] ([[User talk:TechVindicator|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/TechVindicator|contribs]]) 00:17, 22 September 2026 (UTC) 1htm8k1qyfxjt3gm1l0lv3znhbuwbra 0 701 4671650 4661623 2026-09-21T18:43:00Z Marbletan 3347355 Acetyl-chloride skeletal.svg 4671650 wikitext text/x-wiki ==Introduction== The number of known organic compounds is quite large. In fact, there are many times more organic compounds known than all the other (inorganic) compounds discovered so far, about 7 million organic compounds in total. Fortunately, organic chemicals consist of a relatively few similar parts, combined in different ways, that allow us to predict how a compound we have never seen before may react, by comparing how other molecules containing the same types of parts are known to react. These parts of organic molecules are called '''functional groups'''. The identification of functional groups and the ability to predict reactivity based on functional group properties is one of the cornerstones of organic chemistry. Functional groups are '''specific atoms, ions, or groups of atoms''' having consistent properties. A functional group makes up part of a larger molecule. For example, '''-OH''', the hydroxyl group that characterizes alcohols, is an oxygen with a hydrogen attached. It could be found on any number of different molecules. Just as elements have distinctive properties, functional groups have '''characteristic chemistries'''. An '''-OH''' group on one molecule will tend to react similarly, although perhaps not identically, to an '''-OH''' on another molecule. '''Organic reactions usually take place at the functional group''', so learning about the reactivities of functional groups will prepare you to understand many other things about organic chemistry. ==Memorizing Functional Groups== Don't assume that you can simply skim over the functional groups and move on. As you proceed through the text, the writing will be in terms of functional groups. It will be assumed that the student is familiar with most of the ones in the tables below. It's simply impossible to discuss chemistry without knowing the "lingo". It's like trying to learn French without first learning the meaning of some of the words. One of the easiest ways to learn functional groups is by making flash cards. Get a pack of index cards and write the name of the functional group on one side, and draw its chemical representation on the other. For now, a list of the most important ones you should know is provided here. Your initial set of cards should include, at the very least: Alkene, Alkyne, Alkyl halide (or Haloalkane), Alcohol, Aldehyde, Ketone, Carboxylic Acid, Acyl Chloride (or Acid Chloride), Ester, Ether, Amine, Sulfide, and Thiol. After you've learned all these, add a couple more cards and learn those. Then add a few more and learn those. Every functional group below is eventually discussed at one point or another in the book. But the above list will give you what you need to continue on. And don't just look at the cards. Say and write the names and draw the structures. To test yourself, try going through your cards and looking at the names and then drawing their structure on a sheet of paper. Then try going through and looking at the structures and naming them. Writing is a good technique to help you memorize, because it is more active than simply reading. Once you have the minimal list above memorized backwards and forwards, you're ready to move on. But don't stop learning the groups. If you choose to move on without learning the "lingo", then you're not going to understand the language of the chapters to come. Again, using the French analogy, it's like trying to ignore learning the vocabulary and then picking up a novel in French and expecting to be able to read it. ===Functional groups containing ...=== In [[organic chemistry]] '''functional groups''' are submolecular structural motifs, characterized by specific elemental composition and connectivity, that confer reactivity upon the molecule that contains them. Common functional groups include: {| class="wikitable" style="background: #ffffff;{{text default color}}; text-align: center;" |- !Sr No. ! Chemical class ! Group ! Formula ! Graphical Formula ! Prefix ! Suffix ! Example |- |1 | [[Organic_Chemistry/Glossary#A|Acyl halide]] || Haloformyl | RCOX | [[Image:Acyl-halide-skeletal.png|75px|Acyl halide]] | haloformyl- || -oyl halide | [[Image:Acetyl-chloride skeletal.svg|75px|Acetyl chloride]]<br />[[w:Acetyl chloride|Acetyl chloride]]<br/>''(Ethanoyl chloride)'' |- |2 | [[Organic_Chemistry/Glossary#A|Alcohol]] || Hydroxyl | OH | [[Image:Alcohol-(general)-skeletal.png|75px|Hydroxyl]] | hydroxy- || -ol | [[Image:Methanol-2D.svg|90px|methanol]]<br>[[w:Methanol|Methanol]] |- |3 | [[Organic_Chemistry/Glossary#A|Aldehyde]] || [[Organic_Chemistry/Glossary#A|Aldehyde]] | RCHO | [[Image:Skeletal formula of a aldehyde group.svg|75px|Aldehyde]] | oxo- || -al | [[Image:Acetaldehyde-skeletal.png|75px|acetaldehyde]]<br>[[w:Acetaldehyde|:Acetaldehyde]]<br/>''(Ethanal)'' |- |4 | [[Organic_Chemistry/Glossary#A|Alkane]] || [[Alkyl]] | RH_n | [[Image:Alkyl-(general)-skeletal.svg|75px|Alkyl]] | alkyl- || -ane | [[Image:Methane-2D-stereo.svg|75px|methane]]<br>[[w:Methane|Methane]] |- |5 | [[Organic_Chemistry/Glossary#A|Alkene]] || [[Organic_Chemistry/Glossary#A|Alkenyl]] | R₂C=CR₂ | [[Image:Alkene-2D-skeletal.svg|75px|Alkene]] | alkenyl- || -ene | [[Image:Ethene-2D-flat.png|75px|ethylene]]<br>[[w:Ethylene|Ethylene]]<br/>''(Ethene)'' |- |6 | [[Organic_Chemistry/Glossary#A|Alkyne]] || [[Organic_Chemistry/Glossary#A|Alkynyl]] | RC≡CR' | [[Image:Alkyne general.svg|100px|Alkyne]] | alkynyl- || -yne | [[Image:Acetylene-2D.svg|100px|acetylene]]<br>[[w:Acetylene|Acetylene]]<br/>''(Ethyne)'' |- |7 | [[Organic_Chemistry/Glossary#A|Amide]] || [[Carboxamide]] | RCONR₂ | [[Image:Amide-(tertiary)-skeletal.png|75px|Amide]] | carboxamido- || -amide | [[Image:Acetamide skeletal.svg|75px|acetamide]]<br>[[w:Acetamide|Acetamide]]<br/>''(Ethanamide)'' |- | rowspan="4" |8 | rowspan="4" | [[Organic_Chemistry/Glossary#A|Amine]]s | [[Organic_Chemistry/Glossary#A|Primary amine]] | RNH₂ | [[Image:1°-amino-group.png|75px|Primary amine]] | amino- || -amine | [[Image:Methylamine-2D.svg|75px|methylamine]]<br>[[w:Methylamine|Methylamine]]<br/>''(Methanamine)'' |- | [[Organic_Chemistry/Glossary#A|Secondary amine]] | R₂NH | [[Image:Amine-(secondary).png|75px|Secondary amine]] | amino- || -amine | [[Image:Dimethylamine-2D.png|75px|dimethylamine]]<br>[[w:Dimethylamine|Dimethylamine]] |- | [[Organic_Chemistry/Glossary#A|Tertiary amine]] | R₃N | [[Image:Amine-(tertiary).png|75px|Tertiary amine]] | amino- || -amine | [[Image:Trimethylamine chemical structure.png|75px|trimethylamine]]<br>[[w:Trimethylamine|Trimethylamine]] |- | [[Quaternary ammonium cation|4° ammonium ion]] | R₄N⁺ | [[Image:Quaternary-ammonium-cation.svg|75px|Quaternary ammonium cation]] | ammonio- || -ammonium | [[Image:Choline-skeletal.svg|75px|Choline]]<br>[[w:Choline|Choline]] |- |9 | [[Organic_Chemistry/Glossary#A|Azo compound]] | [[Azo compound|Azo<br />(Diimide)]] | RN₂R' | [[Image:Azo-group.png|75px|Azo.pngl]] | azo- || -diazene | [[Image:Methyl-orange-skeletal.png|150px|Methyl orange]]<br/>[[w:Methyl orange|Methyl orange]] |- |10 | [[Organic_Chemistry/Glossary#T|Toluene derivative]] | [[Organic_Chemistry/Glossary#B|Benzyl]] | RCH₂C₆H₅<br />RBn | [[Image:Benzyl-group.svg|75px|Benzyl]] | benzyl- | 1-(''substituent'')toluene | [[Image:Benzyl-bromide-skeletal.svg|75px|Benzyl bromide]]<br />[[w:Benzyl bromide|Benzyl bromide]]<br />''(1-Bromotoluene)'' |- |11 | [[Organic_Chemistry/Glossary#C|Carbonate]] | [[Carbonate ester]] | ROCOOR | [[Image:Carbonate-group-skeletal.svg|75px|Carbonate]] | | alkyl '''carbonate''' | |- |12 | [[Organic_Chemistry/Glossary#C|Carboxylate]] | [[Carboxylate]] || RCOO⁻ | [[Image:Carboxylate-resonance-hybrid.png|75px|Carboxylate]]<br> [[Image:Carboxylate-canonical-forms.png|75px|Carboxylate]] | carboxy- || -oate | [[Image:Sodium-acetate-2D-skeletal.png|75px|Sodium acetate]]<br />[[w:Sodium acetate|Sodium acetate]]<br />''(Sodium ethanoate)'' |- |13 | [[Organic_Chemistry/Glossary#C|Carboxylic acid]] | [[Carboxyl]] || RCOOH | [[Image:Carboxylic-acid-skeletal.svg|75px|Carboxylic acid]] | carboxy- || -oic acid | [[Image:Acetic-acid-2D-skeletal.svg|75px|Acetic acid]]<br />[[w:Acetic acid|Acetic acid]]<br />''(Ethanoic acid)'' |- | rowspan="2" |14 | rowspan="2" | [[Organic_Chemistry/Glossary#C|Cyanate]]s | [[Cyanate]] || ROCN | [[Image:Cyanate-group.png|75px|Cyanate]] | cyanato- | alkyl '''cyanate''' | |- | [[Organic_Chemistry/Glossary#C|Thiocyanate]] || RSCN | [[Image:Thiocyanate-group.png|75px|Thiocyanate]] | thiocyanato- | alkyl '''thiocyanate''' | |- |15 | [[Organic_Chemistry/Glossary#C|Ether]] || [[Ether]] | ROR' | [[Image:Ether-(general).png|75px|Ether]] | alkoxy- | alkyl alkyl '''ether''' | [[Image:Diethyl ether chemical structure.svg|75px|Diethyl ether]]<br>[[w:Diethyl ether|Diethyl ether]]<br>''(Ethoxyethane)'' |- |16 | [[Organic_Chemistry/Glossary#E|Ester]] || [[Ester]] | RCOOR' | [[Image:Ester-skeletal.png|Ester|75px]] | || -oate | [[Image:Ethyl butyrate.png|75px|Ethyl butyrate]]<br>[[w:Ethyl butyrate|Ethyl butyrate]]<br>''(Ethyl butanoate)'' |- |17 | [[Organic_Chemistry/Glossary#H|Haloalkane]] || [[Halogen|Halo]] | RX | [[Image:Halide-group.svg|75px|Halide group]] | halo- || alkyl '''halide''' | [[Image:Chloroethane-skeletal.png|75px|Chloroethane]]<br>[[w:Chloroethane|Chloroethane]]<br>''(Ethyl chloride)'' |- |18 | Hydroperoxide (see [[Organic_Chemistry/Glossary#O|organic peroxide]]) | [[Organic peroxide|Hydroperoxy]] | ROOH | [[Image:Hydroperoxide-group-2D.png|75px|Hydroperoxy]] | hydroperoxy- | alkyl '''hydroperoxide''' | [[Image:Methyl-ethyl-ketone-peroxide-2D-skeletal.png|75px|Methyl ethyl ketone peroxide]]<br />[[w:Methyl ethyl ketone peroxide|Methyl ethyl ketone peroxide]] |- | rowspan="4" |19 | rowspan="4" | [[Organic_Chemistry/Glossary#I|Imine]] | Primary ketimine | RC(=NH)R' | [[Image:Imine-(primary)-skeletal.svg|75px|Imine]] | imino- || -imine | |- | Secondary ketimine | RC(=NR{{'}}{{'}})R{{'}} | [[Image:Imine-(secondary)-skeletal.svg|75px|Imine]] | imino- || -imine | |- | Primary aldimine | RC(=NH)H | [[Image:Aldimine-(primary)-skeletal.svg|75px|Imine]] | imino- || -imine | |- | Secondary aldimine | RC(=NR')H | [[Image:Aldimine-(secondary)-skeletal.svg|75px|Imine]] | imino- || -imine | |- |20 | [[Organic_Chemistry/Glossary#I|Isocyanide]] || [[Isocyanide]] | RNC | | isocyano- | alkyl '''isocyanide''' | |- | rowspan="2" |21 | rowspan="2" | [[Organic_Chemistry/Glossary#I|Isocyanate]]s | [[Isocyanate]] || RNCO | [[Image:Isocyanate-group.svg|75px|Isocyanate]] | isocyanato- | alkyl '''isocyanate''' | |- | [[Organic_Chemistry/Glossary#I|Isothiocyanate]] || RNCS | [[Image:Isothiocyanate-group.png|75px|Isothiocyanate]] | isothiocyanato- | alkyl '''isothiocyanate''' | [[Image:Allyl-isothiocyanate-2D-skeletal.png|75px|Allyl isothiocyanat]]<br />[[w:Allyl isothiocyanate|Allyl isothiocyanate]] |- |22 | [[Organic_Chemistry/Glossary#K|Ketone]] || [[Ketone]] | RCOR' | [[Image:Ketone-skeletal.png|Ketone|75px]] | keto-, oxo- || -one | [[Image:Butanone-structure-skeletal.png|75px|Butanone]]<br />[[w:Methyl ethyl ketone|Methyl ethyl ketone]]<br>''(Butanone)'' |- |23 | [[Organic_Chemistry/Glossary#N|Nitrile]] || [[Nitrile]] | RCN | [[Image:Nitril (vzorec).svg|75px|Nitrile]] | cyano- || alkane'''nitrile'''<br> alkyl '''cyanide''' | [[Image:Benzonitrile.svg|75px|Benzonitrile ]]<br />[[w:Benzonitrile|Benzonitrile]]<br>''(Phenyl cyanide)'' |- |24 | [[Organic_Chemistry/Glossary#N|Nitro compound]] | [[Nitro functional group|Nitro]] | RNO₂ | [[Image:Nitro-group.png|75px|Nitro]] | nitro- || &nbsp; | [[Image:Nitromethane2.png|75px|Nitromethane]]<br />[[w:Nitromethane|Nitromethane]] |- |25 | [[Organic_Chemistry/Glossary#N|Nitroso compound]] | [[Nitroso]] || RNO | [[Image:Nitroso-compound-2D.png|75px|Nitroso]] | nitroso- || &nbsp; | [[Image:Nitrosobenzene.png|75px|Nitrosobenzene]]<br />[[w:Nitrosobenzene|Nitrosobenzene]] |- |26 | [[Organic_Chemistry/Glossary#P|Peroxide]] | [[Organic peroxide|Peroxy]] | ROOR | [[Image:Peroxy-group.png|75px|Peroxy]] | peroxy- | alkyl '''peroxide''' | [[Image:Di-tert-butyl peroxide.svg|75px|Di-tert-butyl peroxide]]<br />[[w:Di-tert-butyl peroxide|Di-tert-butyl peroxide]] |- |27 | [[Organic_Chemistry/Glossary#B|Benzene derivative]] | [[Phenyl]] | RC₆H₅ | [[Image:Phenyl-group.png|75px|Phenyl]] | phenyl- || -benzene | [[Image:Cumene-skeletal.svg|75px|Cumene]]<br />[[w:Cumene|Cumene]]<br/>''(2-phenylpropane)'' |- |28 | [[Organic_Chemistry/Glossary#P|Phosphine]] || Phosphino | R₃P | [[Image:Phosphine-general.svg|75px|A tertiary phosphine]] | phosphino- || -phosphane | [[Image:Methylpropylphosphane-skeletal.svg|75px|Methylpropylphosphane]]<br />Methylpropylphosphane |- |29 | [[Organic_Chemistry/Glossary#P|Phosphodiester]] | [[Phosphate]] | HOPO(OR)₂ | [[Image:Phosphodiester-group.png|75px|Phosphodiester]] | phosphoric acid di(''substituent'') ester | di(''substituent'') hydrogenphosphate | [[w:DNA|DNA]] |- |30 | [[Organic_Chemistry/Glossary#P|Phosphonic acid]] || Phosphono | RP(=O)(OH)₂ | [[Image:Phosphonic-acid-generic.png|75px|Phosphono group]] | phosphono- | ''substituent'' phosphonic acid | [[Image:Benzylphosphonic-acid-2D-skeletal.png|75px|Benzylphosphonic acid]]<br />Benzylphosphonic acid |- |31 | [[Organic_Chemistry/Glossary#P|Phosphate]] || Phosphate | ROP(=O)(OH)₂ | [[Image:Phosphate-group.png|75px|Phosphate group]] | phospho- || | [[Image:G3P-2D-skeletal.png|75px|Glyceraldehyde 3-phosphate]]<br />[[w:Glyceraldehyde 3-phosphate|Glyceraldehyde 3-phosphate]] |- |32 | [[Organic_Chemistry/Glossary#P|Pyridine derivative]] | [[Pyridine|Pyridyl]] | RC₅H₄N | [[Image:4-pyridyl.svg|75px|4-pyridyl group]]<br> [[Image:3-pyridyl.svg|75px|3-pyridyl group]]<br> [[Image:2-pyridyl.svg|75px|2-pyridyl group]]<br> | 4-pyridyl<br>(pyridin-4-yl)<br><br> 3-pyridyl<br>(pyridin-3-yl)<br><br> 2-pyridyl<br>(pyridin-2-yl) | -pyridine | [[Image:Nicotine skeletal.svg|75px|Nicotine]]<br />[[w:Nicotine|Nicotine]] |- |33 | [[Organic_Chemistry/Glossary#S|Sulfide]] | | RSR' | [[Image:Sulfide-group-2D.png|75px|Sulfide group]] | | di(''substituent'') sulfide | [[Image:Dimethyl sulfide structure.svg|75px|Dimethyl sulfide]]<br />[[w:Dimethyl sulfide|Dimethyl sulfide]] |- |34 | [[Organic_Chemistry/Glossary#S|Sulfone]] | [[Sulfone|Sulfonyl]] | RSO₂R' | [[Image:Sulfone.png|75px|Sulfonyl group]] | sulfonyl- | di(''substituent'') sulfone | [[Image:DMSO2.svg|75px|Dimethyl sulfone]]<br />Dimethyl sulfone<br>''([[w:Methylsulfonylmethane|Methylsulfonylmethane]])'' |- |35 | [[Organic_Chemistry/Glossary#S|Sulfonic acid]] || Sulfo | RSO₃H | [[Image:Sulfonic-acid.svg|75px|Sulfonyl group]] | sulfo- | ''substituent'' '''sulfonic acid''' | [[Image:Benzenesulfonic-acid-2D-skeletal.png|75px|Benzenesulfonic acid]]<br />Benzenesulfonic acid |- |36 | [[Organic_Chemistry/Glossary#S|Sulfoxide]] | [[Sulfoxide|Sulfinyl]] | RSOR' | [[Image:Sulfoxide.png|75px|Sulfinyl group]] | sulfinyl- | di(''substituent'') '''sulfoxide''' | [[Image:Diphenyl-sulfoxide.png|75px|Diphenyl sulfoxide]]<br />Diphenyl sulfoxide |- |37 | [[Organic_Chemistry/Glossary#T|Thiol]] | [[Thiol|Sulfhydryl]] | RSH | [[Image:Thiol-group.png|75px|Sulfhydryl]] | mercapto-, sulfanyl- | -thiol | [[Image:Ethanethiol-skeletal.svg|75px|Ethanethiol]]<br />[[w:Ethanethiol|Ethanethiol]]<br />''(Ethyl mercaptan)'' |} ''Note: The table above is adapted from the Functional Groups table on [[w:Functional_groups|Wikipedia.]]'' Combining the names of functional groups with the names of the parent [[w:Alkanes|alkanes]] generates a powerful [[w:systematic name|systematic nomenclature]] for naming [[w:organic compound|organic compounds]]. The non-hydrogen atoms of functional groups are always associated with each by [[w:covalent bond|covalent bond]]s, as well as with the rest of the molecule. When the group of atoms is associated with the rest of the molecule primarily by ionic forces, the group is referred to more properly as a [[w:polyatomic ion|polyatomic ion]] or [[w:complex ion|complex ion]]. And all of these are called [[w:radical|radical]]s, by a meaning of the term ''radical'' that predates the [[w:free radical|free radical]]. The first carbon after the carbon that attaches to the functional group is called the [[w:alpha carbon|alpha carbon]]. Alcohol containing two hydroxyl groups are called glycols. They have both common names and IUPAC names. ==Mnemonics for Functional Groups== These are possible mnemonics for the common functional groups. <b>Vowels</b>: Remember the vowels "A", "E", and "Y" for Alkane, Alkene, and Alkyne. Alkanes have only single covalent bonds. Alkenes have at least one double bond. Alkynes have at least one triple bond. The letters "I", "O", and "U" are not used. Furthermore, "O" and "U" would result in awkward pronunciations. <b>Alcohol</b>: Look for the "C-O-H" in "Alcohol." <b>Ether</b>: Ethers were anesthetics used in the 1800s. Dr. Kellogg also lived at the same time. Corn Flakes are made by Kellogg's. A rooster or cock (C-O-C) is the cornflake mascot. Or, think there is a C on "either" side of the O. <b>Amine</b>: Remember the "N" stands for nitrogen. <b>Aldehyde</b>: This sounds like "Adelaide," the Australian city. Australia is at the end of the Asian islands, and aldehydes are at the end of the hydrocarbon chain. The "Y" indicates a C=O double bond. <b>Ketone</b>: Imagine the diagonal strokes of "K" forming the C=O double bond. [[File:Ketone_Functional_Group_Mnemonic_K.png]] <b>Carboxylic Acid</b>: "Box" stands for boxed wine or C-O-H, alcohol. The "Y" indicates a C=O double bond. <b>Ester</b>: This sounds like "Estelle" George Costanza's mother in the TV show <u>Seinfeld</u>. George's nickname was Koko or Coco. So think of O=C-O-C. <b>Amide</b>: Amine with a "D". D for double. {{BookCat}} lht92ji9j1p8ztme3wvqucqah18eq1v 102 8578 4671677 4246281 2026-09-22T00:21:34Z Kittycataclysm 3371989 consolidate information from [[Cookbook:Backyard Grilling]] 4671677 wikitext text/x-wiki [[Image:Bar-b-que-lam-cutlets-on-the-grill.jpg|thumb|Lamb on a barbecue grill]] {{technique}} '''Grilling is a fast, dry method of cookery which uses the intense heat radiated by an:''' * electrical element, * gas flame, * glowing charcoal or an open wood fire. The heat source can be either above or below the food (or both) and the heat, in the form of infra-red waves, is transferred to the surface of the food. Infra-red waves penetrate only about 1 mm into food (whereas microwave radiation penetrates about 40 mm/l½ in.) Heat is transferred from the surface to the centre of the food by conduction. (If the food comes into contact with hot grill bars, which is almost certain to happen, there is also some conduction at the surface.) It is important that the grill is preheated so that it reaches the high temperatures necessary for efficient infra-red radiation. '''Grilling cooks fast because:''' * very high temperatures are used * the food can be positioned close to the heat source * the energy passes from the heat source almost instantly, without having to be carried in a liquid or through much air. How much heat the food absorbs depends on the colour of its surface: darker foods tend to absorb the infra-red more easily than light ones (which reflect some of the heat). This is the same effect as a black car getting hotter in the sun than a white car (or why a person in a white shirt stays cooler in the hot sun in the summer than the same person would wearing a black shirt.) ===Grilling and radiant heat=== When you put your hand near a hotplate or a room radiator or in direct sunlight the glow you feel is the result of infra-red heat radiation. Infra-red radiation works without any physical contact between the source of heat and the object, but the energy is lost quickly because the rays spread out in all directions, so during cooking the object needs to be quite near the heat source. The food is placed at a distance from the heat source which will brown the surface as required, while cooking the centre to the degree of doneness required. The best temperature for meat is in the range 150°-200°C (300°-390°F) at a distance of 10 to 15 cm (4 to 6 in.) from a typical overhead grill (which will be at a much higher temperature -around 1,000°C or 1,800°F). ===Browning=== Browning cannot occur at low temperatures, which is why food that is cooked at boiling point (as in steaming and microwaving) does not brown. When the food is exposed to the radiant heat of a grill, the surface rapidly browns and develops an intense, full flavour. In foods with a high sugar content, the sugar caramelises, first melting and then deepening in colour, and also creating a rich flavour (this is the same mechanism as the browning of [[Cookbook:Toast|toast]]. In foods such as cakes, meats, nuts and coffee beans, the carbohydrate part of the food reacts with other parts of it and the result is browning. This is sometimes called the Maillard reaction after the Frenchman who discovered how it happened. With meats, the browning stage is sometimes called searing. It used to be thought that searing actually sealed the surface of the meat, but this is not the case. ===How to control the degree of cooking=== In grilling, the radiated heat is very intense and the surfaces of the food brown rapidly. But there is a big difference between the speed of cooking at the surface and inside the food, and it is important that surface browning occurs at about the same rate as the internal cooking. In an overhead grill this means adjusting the distance of the food from the heat source and in a charcoal grill you might need to move the food to a cooler area after initial browning. Otherwise it is easy to end up with food that is either charred on the outside and under-cooked or even quite cold on the inside or completely dried out, tough (even tender meat will toughen in these conditions) and burnt. ===Choice of food for grilling=== Only certain types of food are suitable for the intense dry heat of grilling. In general they should be tender items which are: * of good quality * small (large joints of meat must be cut into thin slices or steaks) * regular in shape to ensure even cooking. Meat should have a reasonable fat content - veal escalopes, for example, are so lean that they will just dry out. Tough cuts of meat are unsuitable for grilling, because the temperatures are too high, the conditions too dry and the time too short for the connective tissue to be converted into gelatin. Tomatoes and mushrooms grill successfully, particularly if they are first brushed with oil, but vegetables with a low moisture content will rapidly dry out and shrivel. == Charbroil Grilling == Charbroil grilling is done on some kind of ribbed surface or grill over direct, dry heat. The heat source used can vary. The most common heat sources are: [[File:Barbecue_DSCF0013.JPG|right|thumb|266x266px]] * Wood * Charcoal * Natural gas or propane * Electricity This method of cooking is very quick and easy. ==== Wood ==== Cooking over wood is very flavourful. Different woods are used to control the burn rate and temperature. In general, hard woods are burn slower and slightly cooler, while soft woods burn faster and slightly hotter. Wood needs to be dried and appropriately aged before use as a fuel. Cooking over wood can be very expensive, so usually wood chips are combined with some type of charcoal, which is very inexpensive and more readily obtainable. Charcoal also burns far more predictably than wood. ==== Charcoal ==== There are generally two types of charcoal you can purchase: briquettes and lump charcoal. [[File:Charcoal_Briquette.JPG|right|thumb|200x200px]] Briquettes are inexpensive and have a controlled and very predictable. You can buy them in most grocery stores. They come in heavy paper bag and consist of pillow-shaped pieces that contain everything from sawdust to sodium nitrate ("Chile saltpeter") to cow manure. [[File:Charcoal.jpg|right|thumb|200x200px]] Lump charcoal is also relatively inexpensive, and some varieties have a good, controlled burn rate. Many grocery stores are also starting to carry lump charcoal, which is usually comprised of pre-charred hardwood and contains nothing else. These usually impart a nice, smoky flavour to the food. ==== Meats ==== When cooking outdoors, it is extremely vital to cook any meat products thoroughly in order to eliminate any bacteria. The easiest way to accomplish proper and thorough cooking is through the use of a grilling thermometer which can be purchased at your local hardware store. In order to improve efficiency, a meat slicer may be used to thinly slice your meat before it is cooked. When preparing meat, various spices and flavor enhancers may be added to improve the overall quality and taste of your meal. It is common to bathe chicken in a mixture of flavoring before cooking, allowing the uncooked meat to soak up the flavoring. == Other meanings of the term == '''Grilling''' is also an ambiguous term that can mean: ===Double-sided [[Cookbook:Frying|Frying]]=== This would be done in a sandwich cooking device, similar to a [[Cookbook:Waffle Iron|waffle iron]] but preferably without the square bumps. The [[w:George_Foreman_Grill|George Foreman Grill]] works fairly well. The procedure is sometimes also known as toasting, as in the [[Cookbook:Toasted Cheese Sandwich|toasted cheese sandwich]]. ===[[Cookbook:Broiling|Broiling]] (British English usage)=== Most British and European ovens are fitted with radiant grills: an overhead gas or electric radiant heating element cooks the food below, which lies on a "grill" or rack (the grill usually rests in a tray that catches drips from the food). The same term is also used to describe the cooking technique where food lying on a rack is cooked by radiant heat from below, as in a barbecue. If no radiant grill is fitted, this is best done in an electric [[Cookbook:Oven|oven]], with the door partly open and only the top heating element in use. Gas ovens often provide a less-effective lower drawer for this purpose. The same can be achieved outdoors by vertical grilling, using either stacks of charcoals or fires with high flames fed by standing pieces of thin and long burning-wood. The food will then be placed to receive infrared radiation from the side. ===[[Cookbook:Barbecuing|Barbecuing]]=== This cooking method uses fire. It is usually done outdoors on barbecue grills over wood, charcoal, or propane fires. In some areas, the term '''barbecuing''' is reserved for a slow low-heat cooking process that operates at about [[Cookbook:Oven Temperatures|220°F (105°C)]] and the term '''grilling''' is used for a fast high-heat cooking process. In other areas, all barbecuing is considered grilling and all grilling over a fire is considered barbecuing. Barbecuing is traditionally done with hardwoods or fruitwoods, such as hickory, maple, mesquite, and applewood, which gives a nice smoke flavor to the food. The meats, fish or vegetables may be prepared by [[Cookbook:Marinating|marinating]] or by applying a combination of [[Cookbook:Spices|spices]] known as a [[Cookbook:Dry Rub|dry rub]]. Marinated meats can also be ‘mopped’ with the marinade while cooking. A [[Cookbook:Barbecue Sauce|barbecue sauce]] may be added before, during, or after cooking. Barbecue also can mean a device for cooking such food, a social event at which such food is served, or any food served with barbecue sauce. ==Recipes that use some form of grilling== *[[Cookbook:Boerewors|Boerewors]] *[[Cookbook:Campfire Trout|Campfire Trout]] *[[Cookbook:Grilled Cheese Sandwich|Grilled Cheese Sandwich]] *[[Cookbook:Grilled Peanut Butter Sandwiches|Grilled Peanut Butter Sandwiches]] *[[Cookbook:Grilled Vegetable Sandwich|Grilled Vegetable Sandwich]] *[[Cookbook:Midwestern Chicken Wings|Midwestern Chicken Wings]] *[[Cookbook:Hamburger Deluxe|Hamburger Deluxe]] *[[Cookbook:Maple Syrup Planked Salmon|Maple Syrup Planked Salmon]] 07xkdya086nvp1730cvlpt42j2o6qdw 14 16672 4671609 3198336 2026-09-21T14:34:59Z ActStuffOGWiki 3624203 4671609 wikitext text/x-wiki {{cooknav}} Recipes from [[Cookbook:Cuisine of India|India]]. [[Category:South Asian recipes]] [[ko:분류:인도 요리]] [[nl:Categorie:Indiase keuken]] [[Category:Shelf:India]] iodce2epa5zf8rp1521vwcvebkeo07i 4671610 4671609 2026-09-21T14:35:27Z ActStuffOGWiki 3624203 4671610 wikitext text/x-wiki {{cooknav}} Recipes from [[Cookbook:Cuisine of India|India]]. [[Category:South Asian recipes]] [[ko:분류:인도 요리]] [[nl:Categorie:Indiase keuken]] l1ftxqoqzcm4s1jaxcjaw2gty01f33t 102 21941 4671679 4498388 2026-09-22T00:25:22Z Kittycataclysm 3371989 consolidate info from [[Cookbook:Barbecue Tips]] 4671679 wikitext text/x-wiki {{technique}} '''Barbecuing''' is cooking food slowly with relatively low heat and hardwood smoke. Spices, marinades or brines, and sauces may all be used in the food preparation process. [[Cookbook:Grilling|Grilling]] as a barbecue method is hotly debated in most of the US. In places like North Carolina and Texas where barbecue is part of their history and heritage, they believe grilling is not a barbecue method. Using different select hardwoods will infuse foods with distinct smoky flavors. Gas and electric smokers allow for more temperature control than smokers using charcoal or wood. In North Carolina, pork is traditionally barbecued while in Texas it is beef. However, for the common American, barbecue means pork. == Meats and Cuts == If you're either cooking low and slow, or hot and fast, you'll want to pick a cut that's got a good amount of marbling. Good chicken cuts include: Whole leg quarters, thighs, drumsticks, wings, and whole butterflied chickens. Breasts can be dry and flavorless. Nice beef cuts: Tender steaks, flank, inside skirt, and briskets. Pork isn't that lucky though. See, before the fitness craze came, pigs were fat. In fact, the average pig had more fat than 50 chicken leg quarters. I actually got to taste that meat before it was gone. But, people crazy about fitness turned from pigs to poultry. Undaunted, pig breeders made the once juicy hog dry. Anyways, cuts that have the right stuff include Boston butts, ribs, and chops. == Cooking == The type of barbecue cooking that you choose for a cut matters almost as much as the cut you pick. Cuts that like a long cook time in the smoker are Boston butts, ribs, beef brisket, chicken thighs and legs, wings, and whole chickens. Try to do a long smoke time with things like filet mignons, and you'll get something extremely mushy, like cat food. Cuts that like it hot and fast are: Pork chops, chicken breasts, steaks like ribeyes and strips, ahi tuna, fish, and shrimp. '''Some recipes that use a smoker:''' [[Cookbook:Pulled Pork Sandwiches|Pulled Pork]] [[Cookbook:Memphis-Style BBQ Ribs|Memphis-Style BBQ Ribs]] [[Cookbook:North Carolina-Style BBQ Ribs|North Carolina-Style BBQ Ribs]] == Woods == Think all smoking woods are the same? Wrong! Each wood has its own flavor and character. However, if you use softwoods like cedar, pine, and spruce, you'll get toxic tars, resins, and creosote, which can kill! That's why you'll want to use hardwoods. I have a chart concerning flavor of smoke. : Alder: Classic European smoking wood, doesn't overtake, complements meats with mild flavor and seafood such as trout. : Applewood: Adds a cider-like flavor to meats and fish. Nicely complements items with honey, or meats such as chicken, pork, and lamb. : Cherry: Fruity, tad bitter smoke that complements pork. : Hickory: Classic American wood. Adds a sharp, woodsy flavor. Complements pork, chicken, seafood, and shrimp. : Maple: Sweet maple syrup flavor. Complements almost everything. : Mesquite: Gives a spicy Southwestern flair to beef. However, mesquite can overtake mild flavored meats like pork and chicken. : Oak: Hot and slow burning wood, as a medium to heavy flavor without overpowering. Generally used for lamb and beef. : Peachwood: Sweet fruity flavor. Complements pork, chicken, salmon, trout, and shrimp. I hope we've inspired you to take your grill or smoker out of the shadows and fire it up. [[Category:Barbecue recipes|*{{PAGENAME}}]] [[nl:Kookboek/Barbecueën]] ekf80riizz8fnxzlbh802or67dzc5wh 4671681 4671679 2026-09-22T00:26:39Z Kittycataclysm 3371989 removed [[Category:Barbecue recipes]] using [[Help:Gadget-HotCat|HotCat]] 4671681 wikitext text/x-wiki {{technique}} '''Barbecuing''' is cooking food slowly with relatively low heat and hardwood smoke. Spices, marinades or brines, and sauces may all be used in the food preparation process. [[Cookbook:Grilling|Grilling]] as a barbecue method is hotly debated in most of the US. In places like North Carolina and Texas where barbecue is part of their history and heritage, they believe grilling is not a barbecue method. Using different select hardwoods will infuse foods with distinct smoky flavors. Gas and electric smokers allow for more temperature control than smokers using charcoal or wood. In North Carolina, pork is traditionally barbecued while in Texas it is beef. However, for the common American, barbecue means pork. == Meats and Cuts == If you're either cooking low and slow, or hot and fast, you'll want to pick a cut that's got a good amount of marbling. Good chicken cuts include: Whole leg quarters, thighs, drumsticks, wings, and whole butterflied chickens. Breasts can be dry and flavorless. Nice beef cuts: Tender steaks, flank, inside skirt, and briskets. Pork isn't that lucky though. See, before the fitness craze came, pigs were fat. In fact, the average pig had more fat than 50 chicken leg quarters. I actually got to taste that meat before it was gone. But, people crazy about fitness turned from pigs to poultry. Undaunted, pig breeders made the once juicy hog dry. Anyways, cuts that have the right stuff include Boston butts, ribs, and chops. == Cooking == The type of barbecue cooking that you choose for a cut matters almost as much as the cut you pick. Cuts that like a long cook time in the smoker are Boston butts, ribs, beef brisket, chicken thighs and legs, wings, and whole chickens. Try to do a long smoke time with things like filet mignons, and you'll get something extremely mushy, like cat food. Cuts that like it hot and fast are: Pork chops, chicken breasts, steaks like ribeyes and strips, ahi tuna, fish, and shrimp. '''Some recipes that use a smoker:''' [[Cookbook:Pulled Pork Sandwiches|Pulled Pork]] [[Cookbook:Memphis-Style BBQ Ribs|Memphis-Style BBQ Ribs]] [[Cookbook:North Carolina-Style BBQ Ribs|North Carolina-Style BBQ Ribs]] == Woods == Think all smoking woods are the same? Wrong! Each wood has its own flavor and character. However, if you use softwoods like cedar, pine, and spruce, you'll get toxic tars, resins, and creosote, which can kill! That's why you'll want to use hardwoods. I have a chart concerning flavor of smoke. : Alder: Classic European smoking wood, doesn't overtake, complements meats with mild flavor and seafood such as trout. : Applewood: Adds a cider-like flavor to meats and fish. Nicely complements items with honey, or meats such as chicken, pork, and lamb. : Cherry: Fruity, tad bitter smoke that complements pork. : Hickory: Classic American wood. Adds a sharp, woodsy flavor. Complements pork, chicken, seafood, and shrimp. : Maple: Sweet maple syrup flavor. Complements almost everything. : Mesquite: Gives a spicy Southwestern flair to beef. However, mesquite can overtake mild flavored meats like pork and chicken. : Oak: Hot and slow burning wood, as a medium to heavy flavor without overpowering. Generally used for lamb and beef. : Peachwood: Sweet fruity flavor. Complements pork, chicken, salmon, trout, and shrimp. I hope we've inspired you to take your grill or smoker out of the shadows and fire it up. [[nl:Kookboek/Barbecueën]] 8zn9rjzhwfwhwz010zt4ez8sv2bljjw 4671682 4671681 2026-09-22T00:28:48Z Kittycataclysm 3371989 add recipe index 4671682 wikitext text/x-wiki {{technique}} '''Barbecuing''' is cooking food slowly with relatively low heat and hardwood smoke. Spices, marinades or brines, and sauces may all be used in the food preparation process. [[Cookbook:Grilling|Grilling]] as a barbecue method is hotly debated in most of the US. In places like North Carolina and Texas where barbecue is part of their history and heritage, they believe grilling is not a barbecue method. Using different select hardwoods will infuse foods with distinct smoky flavors. Gas and electric smokers allow for more temperature control than smokers using charcoal or wood. In North Carolina, pork is traditionally barbecued while in Texas it is beef. However, for the common American, barbecue means pork. == Meats and Cuts == If you're either cooking low and slow, or hot and fast, you'll want to pick a cut that's got a good amount of marbling. Good chicken cuts include: Whole leg quarters, thighs, drumsticks, wings, and whole butterflied chickens. Breasts can be dry and flavorless. Nice beef cuts: Tender steaks, flank, inside skirt, and briskets. Pork isn't that lucky though. See, before the fitness craze came, pigs were fat. In fact, the average pig had more fat than 50 chicken leg quarters. I actually got to taste that meat before it was gone. But, people crazy about fitness turned from pigs to poultry. Undaunted, pig breeders made the once juicy hog dry. Anyways, cuts that have the right stuff include Boston butts, ribs, and chops. == Cooking == The type of barbecue cooking that you choose for a cut matters almost as much as the cut you pick. Cuts that like a long cook time in the smoker are Boston butts, ribs, beef brisket, chicken thighs and legs, wings, and whole chickens. Try to do a long smoke time with things like filet mignons, and you'll get something extremely mushy, like cat food. Cuts that like it hot and fast are: Pork chops, chicken breasts, steaks like ribeyes and strips, ahi tuna, fish, and shrimp. '''Some recipes that use a smoker:''' [[Cookbook:Pulled Pork Sandwiches|Pulled Pork]] [[Cookbook:Memphis-Style BBQ Ribs|Memphis-Style BBQ Ribs]] [[Cookbook:North Carolina-Style BBQ Ribs|North Carolina-Style BBQ Ribs]] == Woods == Think all smoking woods are the same? Wrong! Each wood has its own flavor and character. However, if you use softwoods like cedar, pine, and spruce, you'll get toxic tars, resins, and creosote, which can kill! That's why you'll want to use hardwoods. I have a chart concerning flavor of smoke. : Alder: Classic European smoking wood, doesn't overtake, complements meats with mild flavor and seafood such as trout. : Applewood: Adds a cider-like flavor to meats and fish. Nicely complements items with honey, or meats such as chicken, pork, and lamb. : Cherry: Fruity, tad bitter smoke that complements pork. : Hickory: Classic American wood. Adds a sharp, woodsy flavor. Complements pork, chicken, seafood, and shrimp. : Maple: Sweet maple syrup flavor. Complements almost everything. : Mesquite: Gives a spicy Southwestern flair to beef. However, mesquite can overtake mild flavored meats like pork and chicken. : Oak: Hot and slow burning wood, as a medium to heavy flavor without overpowering. Generally used for lamb and beef. : Peachwood: Sweet fruity flavor. Complements pork, chicken, salmon, trout, and shrimp. I hope we've inspired you to take your grill or smoker out of the shadows and fire it up. == Recipes == <div style="column-count:3"> <categorytree mode="all" hideprefix="always">Barbecue recipes</categorytree> </div> [[nl:Kookboek/Barbecueën]] qs6185jzus6qmkxgcbbo110q297lphm 14 34670 4671616 1491546 2026-09-21T14:59:43Z Mupper-san 3205967 the Ukraine → Ukraine. 4671616 wikitext text/x-wiki {{cooknav}} Recipes from [[Cookbook:Cuisine of Ukraine|Ukraine]]. 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[[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color: blue">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 22:10, 5 August 2026 (UTC) :Is there a page here that describes what admins do? I am curious because I checked [https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Special:ListUsers?username=&group=sysop&wpsubmit=&wpFormIdentifier=mw-listusers-form&limit=50 List of admins] and I see that there are already quite a few admins here and wonder which areas have a shortage. :Just curious. 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To subscribe or unsubscribe for Café notices on your talk page please [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikimedia_Caf%C3%A9 go here]. <br /> [[File:Buntstifte Eberhard Faber crop 64h.jpg|860px|alt=cropped image of colored pencils]]</div> <span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User:Pine|<span style="color:#01796f; text-shadow:#00BFFF 0 0 1.0em">༄ᨒ𖠰 Pine</span>]] [[User talk:Pine|<span style="color:DeepSkyBlue">(<b style="color:#FFDF00;text-shadow:#FFDF00 0 0 1.0em">✉</b>)</span>]]</span> 01:32, 17 August 2026 (UTC) == Wikibooks project is not defined by goal == If it is for texbooks why is it called Wikibooks? It should be called Wikitextbooks! If it is for textbooks why does it contain cookbooks? For textbooks it's not supposed to have a [[Wikibooks:Featured books]]. [[User:Vivairan2|Vivairan2]] ([[User talk:Vivairan2|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Vivairan2|contribs]]) 09:20, 1 September 2026 (UTC) :It's "textbooks" broadly construed: guides, manuals, how-tos, etc. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 11:15, 1 September 2026 (UTC) ::So we should change "Wikibooks:Featured books" to "Wikibooks:Featured texts". [[User:Vivairan2|Vivairan2]] ([[User talk:Vivairan2|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Vivairan2|contribs]]) 11:17, 1 September 2026 (UTC) :::I disagree and even if I agreed, it would be priority #49,389. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 11:20, 1 September 2026 (UTC) ::::It's according to community consensus that says this website contains textbooks not books. [[User:Vivairan2|Vivairan2]] ([[User talk:Vivairan2|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Vivairan2|contribs]]) 11:23, 1 September 2026 (UTC) :::::"[[wb:WIW|Simply, Wikibooks is a collection of open-content textbooks.]]" [[User:Vivairan2|Vivairan2]] ([[User talk:Vivairan2|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Vivairan2|contribs]]) 11:26, 1 September 2026 (UTC) :Most textbooks are made by collaboration of some authors, co-authors and editors. Wikibooks help pages and guidelines remain silent when it comes to stages of writing a new texbooks. Even [[Using Wikibooks]] is not complete emough for enthusiasts. --[[User:Vivairan2|Vivairan2]] ([[User talk:Vivairan2|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Vivairan2|contribs]]) 18:13, 3 September 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Vivairan2|Vivairan2]], In my opinion this is a good question. I wish more users would chime in. [[Special:Contributions/~2026-40500-29|~2026-40500-29]] ([[User talk:~2026-40500-29|talk]]) 16:10, 19 September 2026 (UTC) == Wishlist 2027, invitation to share feedback == Hi, I’m [[m:User:SPerry-WMF|Sonja]] and I lead some of the [[mw:Contributors|teams]] at the Foundation who will be responsible for picking up wish work under the new wishlist process. As you may know, the [[m:Community_Wishlist|Community Wishlist]] started out as an annual process through which Wikimedia contributors submit and vote on technical improvements they would like the Wikimedia Foundation to work on. The main goal of it is and has been to improve the editing experience by making changes and features the community asks for specifically. In recent years, the process behind the wishlist has changed, and we’ve heard from many of you that it no longer meets many community members’ needs. So now, the Foundation is designing a new process with the community to improve how wishes are triaged, voted on, and prioritized in a way that is transparent, balanced across project families and language editions, and takes into account what the Foundation can deliver. I would like to get community input specifically on these three stages of the Wishlist process: * The [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community_Wishlist/Community_Wishlist_2027#triage|'''triage stage''']], meaning how wishes are fleshed out, organized and filtered prior to voting ** We recommend to have a working group, including volunteers from various wikis and Wikimedia Foundation staff to work through this together * The [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community_Wishlist/Community_Wishlist_2027#vote|'''voting stage''']], including who may vote and how votes are structured * The [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community_Wishlist/Community_Wishlist_2027#postvote|'''post-vote stage''']], including how to bring equity into what work is prioritized ** One way to do this is to rank wishes within 3 categories: Large Wikipedias or covering all wikis, small and medium-sized Wikipedias, and '''sister projects''', so that top-voted wishes from smaller projects also get attention This message is an abstract of the full proposed process. As you [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community_Wishlist/Community_Wishlist_2027|read the proposed ideas on Meta]] (available in your language), please speak up about whether you think this will work well or if there are ways to make it stronger. Regarding the timeline, this consultation is open for two weeks. You can post your feedback on Meta (in your preferred language) or in response below. For this year’s cycle, [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community_Wishlist/Community_Wishlist_2027#timeline|we plan]] to have the wish submission period in late October/early November and the triage process completed by late November. To respect the end-of-year holiday season, voting would happen in early to mid January. This first voting cycle is meant as a first step to try out a new process, and there will be more opportunities to provide feedback along the way, so that we can figure out the best process for future years together. [[oldwikisource:M:User:SPerry-WMF|SPerry-WMF]], delivered by [[User:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Trizek (WMF)|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Trizek (WMF)|contribs]]) 13:52, 1 September 2026 (UTC) :Thank you to everyone who engaged in the discussion around [[m:Talk:Community_Wishlist/Community_Wishlist_2027|the proposal from August 26]]. We've processed your feedback and [https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Community_Wishlist/Community_Wishlist_2027&diff=prev&oldid=31041090 made changes] accordingly. Note that we weren’t able to implement all of it for this cycle, mostly for logistical reasons, but this is merely meant to be a first step and we will continue to improve this process with you all before we run through the next cycle. We plan to use [[m:Community_Wishlist/Community_Wishlist_2027#Updated_Community_Wishlist_Process_2027/2028|this updated version]] for the Wishlist 2027, and we look forward to hearing from you all during the submission and voting periods. :[[:M:User:SPerry-WMF|SPerry-WMF]], delivered by [[User:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Trizek (WMF)|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Trizek (WMF)|contribs]]) 14:49, 17 September 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:SPerry-WMF|User:SPerry-WMF]],@[[User:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek (WMF)]]: Thank you for posting info regarding the wishlist to the English Wikibooks. I am sure there are many new users here who can benefit. ::I used to participate in those discussions years ago and I know a lot of effort goes into making discussions useful not only for users of wikipedia, but also for the many language versions of the smaller wikimedia projects such as Wikibooks. [[Special:Contributions/~2026-40500-29|~2026-40500-29]] ([[User talk:~2026-40500-29|talk]]) 16:28, 19 September 2026 (UTC) == How Do I Get My Book On A Shelf? == Help, I don't know how shelves work. I don't know how to put my book on a shelf. Can anyone help? The book is called''' Art And AI''' [[User:3MMPEYTON|3MMPEYTON]] ([[User talk:3MMPEYTON|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/3MMPEYTON|contribs]]) 23:00, 8 September 2026 (UTC) : Which shelf are you referring? [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color: blue">Codename Noreste</span>]] /// [[User talk:Codename Noreste|⭐️✨]] 14:45, 10 September 2026 (UTC) == Who is allowed to delete pages here? == On Aug 14, 2026 a user by the name of Max deleted a page I created in my user space. I don't see max in the list of admins here. Do they have the right to delete pages? Is there any documentation here I can consult? Thanks in advance, [[Special:Contributions/~2026-40500-29|~2026-40500-29]] ([[User talk:~2026-40500-29|talk]]) 22:38, 15 September 2026 (UTC) :We have local admins who have the technical ability to delete pages and virtually all material deleted here would be done by us (I'm one of them). A fairly small amount of users have global rights across all Wikimedia Foundation wikis and they will very rarely make deletions (e.g. if there are some kind of legal implications to material). [[User:Ottawahitech/American politics]] was deleted by [[User:Max]], who has [[Special:UserRights/Max|no special rights here]] but is one of the [[:m:Global sysops|global sysops]] I mentioned earlier. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 22:55, 15 September 2026 (UTC) : Probably unrelated to the above, but Ottawahitech should do that with their account, unless if they are blocked. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color: blue">Codename Noreste</span>]] /// [[User talk:Codename Noreste|⭐️✨]] 23:33, 15 September 2026 (UTC) ::Agreed and [[User:Ottawahitech]] is not blocked here, so no idea why he's using a temp account. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 23:43, 15 September 2026 (UTC) :::There may be many reasons registered users are "editing" without logging in. Is it possible that they want to go about peacefully without attracting too much attention? [[Special:Contributions/~2026-40500-29|~2026-40500-29]] ([[User talk:~2026-40500-29|talk]]) 15:01, 16 September 2026 (UTC) :::: We neither have a policy nor a guideline about this, probably. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color: blue">Codename Noreste</span>]] /// [[User talk:Codename Noreste|⭐️✨]] 19:12, 20 September 2026 (UTC) == Assistance to get page reviewed == My page is a translation page: [[Baiyi Zhuan]] It is a single page, it is translated according to my own ability and familiarity with the language with a disclosure on external tools. I would like it to get reviewed if possible as I do not have the rights. [[User:Taitesena|Taitesena]] ([[User talk:Taitesena|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Taitesena|contribs]]) 11:19, 18 September 2026 (UTC) == Translation of books == Hello, I would like to translate books from other Wikibooks into English. Are there any guidelines regarding how to do this? [[User:TechVindicator|TechVindicator]] ([[User talk:TechVindicator|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/TechVindicator|contribs]]) 00:34, 20 September 2026 (UTC) : This has yet to be expanded, but you might want to take a look at [[Wikibooks:Content translation]]. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color: blue">Codename Noreste</span>]] /// [[User talk:Codename Noreste|⭐️✨]] 19:13, 20 September 2026 (UTC) == Feedback on Wikibooks redirect == I would like your feedback on my proposal to make [[Wikibooks:Username|this page]] redirect to [[Using Wikibooks/Setting Up A User Account#Choosing a Username|this page]]? I would do it myself, but it is not possible due to the fact that [[Wikibooks:Username]] can only be made by admins. This is because [[Wikibooks:Username policy]] also links to [[Using Wikibooks/Setting Up A User Account#Choosing a Username|this page]]. Regards, [[User:TechVindicator|TechVindicator]] ([[User talk:TechVindicator|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/TechVindicator|contribs]]) 04:37, 21 September 2026 (UTC) This seems like a good idea to me. [[User:Alextejthompson|''Alextejthompson'']] (''Ping me or leave a message on my [[User talk:Alextejthompson|talk page]]'') 17:49, 21 September 2026 (UTC) tidpaywdbjkdjsp9zyvmtzrjn0tfmnl 4671671 4671637 2026-09-22T00:00:01Z Koavf 16549 /* Feedback on Wikibooks redirect */ Reply 4671671 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ {{Discussion Rooms}} {{Shortcut|WB:CHAT|WB:RR/G|WB:GENERAL}} {{TOC left|limit=3}} {{User:MiszaBot/config |archive = Wikibooks:Reading room/Archives/%(year)d/%(monthname)s |algo = old(60d) |counter = 1 |minthreadstoarchive = 1 |minthreadsleft = 1 |key = 7a0ac23cf8049e4d9ff70cabb5649d1a }} Welcome to the '''General reading room'''. On this page, Wikibookians are free to talk about the Wikibooks project in general. 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[[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color: blue">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 22:10, 5 August 2026 (UTC) :Is there a page here that describes what admins do? I am curious because I checked [https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Special:ListUsers?username=&group=sysop&wpsubmit=&wpFormIdentifier=mw-listusers-form&limit=50 List of admins] and I see that there are already quite a few admins here and wonder which areas have a shortage. :Just curious. 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To subscribe or unsubscribe for Café notices on your talk page please [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikimedia_Caf%C3%A9 go here]. <br /> [[File:Buntstifte Eberhard Faber crop 64h.jpg|860px|alt=cropped image of colored pencils]]</div> <span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User:Pine|<span style="color:#01796f; text-shadow:#00BFFF 0 0 1.0em">༄ᨒ𖠰 Pine</span>]] [[User talk:Pine|<span style="color:DeepSkyBlue">(<b style="color:#FFDF00;text-shadow:#FFDF00 0 0 1.0em">✉</b>)</span>]]</span> 01:32, 17 August 2026 (UTC) == Wikibooks project is not defined by goal == If it is for texbooks why is it called Wikibooks? It should be called Wikitextbooks! If it is for textbooks why does it contain cookbooks? For textbooks it's not supposed to have a [[Wikibooks:Featured books]]. [[User:Vivairan2|Vivairan2]] ([[User talk:Vivairan2|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Vivairan2|contribs]]) 09:20, 1 September 2026 (UTC) :It's "textbooks" broadly construed: guides, manuals, how-tos, etc. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 11:15, 1 September 2026 (UTC) ::So we should change "Wikibooks:Featured books" to "Wikibooks:Featured texts". [[User:Vivairan2|Vivairan2]] ([[User talk:Vivairan2|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Vivairan2|contribs]]) 11:17, 1 September 2026 (UTC) :::I disagree and even if I agreed, it would be priority #49,389. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 11:20, 1 September 2026 (UTC) ::::It's according to community consensus that says this website contains textbooks not books. [[User:Vivairan2|Vivairan2]] ([[User talk:Vivairan2|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Vivairan2|contribs]]) 11:23, 1 September 2026 (UTC) :::::"[[wb:WIW|Simply, Wikibooks is a collection of open-content textbooks.]]" [[User:Vivairan2|Vivairan2]] ([[User talk:Vivairan2|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Vivairan2|contribs]]) 11:26, 1 September 2026 (UTC) :Most textbooks are made by collaboration of some authors, co-authors and editors. Wikibooks help pages and guidelines remain silent when it comes to stages of writing a new texbooks. Even [[Using Wikibooks]] is not complete emough for enthusiasts. --[[User:Vivairan2|Vivairan2]] ([[User talk:Vivairan2|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Vivairan2|contribs]]) 18:13, 3 September 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Vivairan2|Vivairan2]], In my opinion this is a good question. I wish more users would chime in. [[Special:Contributions/~2026-40500-29|~2026-40500-29]] ([[User talk:~2026-40500-29|talk]]) 16:10, 19 September 2026 (UTC) == Wishlist 2027, invitation to share feedback == Hi, I’m [[m:User:SPerry-WMF|Sonja]] and I lead some of the [[mw:Contributors|teams]] at the Foundation who will be responsible for picking up wish work under the new wishlist process. As you may know, the [[m:Community_Wishlist|Community Wishlist]] started out as an annual process through which Wikimedia contributors submit and vote on technical improvements they would like the Wikimedia Foundation to work on. The main goal of it is and has been to improve the editing experience by making changes and features the community asks for specifically. In recent years, the process behind the wishlist has changed, and we’ve heard from many of you that it no longer meets many community members’ needs. So now, the Foundation is designing a new process with the community to improve how wishes are triaged, voted on, and prioritized in a way that is transparent, balanced across project families and language editions, and takes into account what the Foundation can deliver. I would like to get community input specifically on these three stages of the Wishlist process: * The [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community_Wishlist/Community_Wishlist_2027#triage|'''triage stage''']], meaning how wishes are fleshed out, organized and filtered prior to voting ** We recommend to have a working group, including volunteers from various wikis and Wikimedia Foundation staff to work through this together * The [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community_Wishlist/Community_Wishlist_2027#vote|'''voting stage''']], including who may vote and how votes are structured * The [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community_Wishlist/Community_Wishlist_2027#postvote|'''post-vote stage''']], including how to bring equity into what work is prioritized ** One way to do this is to rank wishes within 3 categories: Large Wikipedias or covering all wikis, small and medium-sized Wikipedias, and '''sister projects''', so that top-voted wishes from smaller projects also get attention This message is an abstract of the full proposed process. As you [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community_Wishlist/Community_Wishlist_2027|read the proposed ideas on Meta]] (available in your language), please speak up about whether you think this will work well or if there are ways to make it stronger. Regarding the timeline, this consultation is open for two weeks. You can post your feedback on Meta (in your preferred language) or in response below. For this year’s cycle, [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Community_Wishlist/Community_Wishlist_2027#timeline|we plan]] to have the wish submission period in late October/early November and the triage process completed by late November. To respect the end-of-year holiday season, voting would happen in early to mid January. This first voting cycle is meant as a first step to try out a new process, and there will be more opportunities to provide feedback along the way, so that we can figure out the best process for future years together. [[oldwikisource:M:User:SPerry-WMF|SPerry-WMF]], delivered by [[User:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Trizek (WMF)|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Trizek (WMF)|contribs]]) 13:52, 1 September 2026 (UTC) :Thank you to everyone who engaged in the discussion around [[m:Talk:Community_Wishlist/Community_Wishlist_2027|the proposal from August 26]]. We've processed your feedback and [https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Community_Wishlist/Community_Wishlist_2027&diff=prev&oldid=31041090 made changes] accordingly. Note that we weren’t able to implement all of it for this cycle, mostly for logistical reasons, but this is merely meant to be a first step and we will continue to improve this process with you all before we run through the next cycle. We plan to use [[m:Community_Wishlist/Community_Wishlist_2027#Updated_Community_Wishlist_Process_2027/2028|this updated version]] for the Wishlist 2027, and we look forward to hearing from you all during the submission and voting periods. :[[:M:User:SPerry-WMF|SPerry-WMF]], delivered by [[User:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Trizek (WMF)|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Trizek (WMF)|contribs]]) 14:49, 17 September 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:SPerry-WMF|User:SPerry-WMF]],@[[User:Trizek (WMF)|Trizek (WMF)]]: Thank you for posting info regarding the wishlist to the English Wikibooks. I am sure there are many new users here who can benefit. ::I used to participate in those discussions years ago and I know a lot of effort goes into making discussions useful not only for users of wikipedia, but also for the many language versions of the smaller wikimedia projects such as Wikibooks. [[Special:Contributions/~2026-40500-29|~2026-40500-29]] ([[User talk:~2026-40500-29|talk]]) 16:28, 19 September 2026 (UTC) == How Do I Get My Book On A Shelf? == Help, I don't know how shelves work. I don't know how to put my book on a shelf. Can anyone help? The book is called''' Art And AI''' [[User:3MMPEYTON|3MMPEYTON]] ([[User talk:3MMPEYTON|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/3MMPEYTON|contribs]]) 23:00, 8 September 2026 (UTC) : Which shelf are you referring? [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color: blue">Codename Noreste</span>]] /// [[User talk:Codename Noreste|⭐️✨]] 14:45, 10 September 2026 (UTC) == Who is allowed to delete pages here? == On Aug 14, 2026 a user by the name of Max deleted a page I created in my user space. I don't see max in the list of admins here. Do they have the right to delete pages? Is there any documentation here I can consult? Thanks in advance, [[Special:Contributions/~2026-40500-29|~2026-40500-29]] ([[User talk:~2026-40500-29|talk]]) 22:38, 15 September 2026 (UTC) :We have local admins who have the technical ability to delete pages and virtually all material deleted here would be done by us (I'm one of them). A fairly small amount of users have global rights across all Wikimedia Foundation wikis and they will very rarely make deletions (e.g. if there are some kind of legal implications to material). [[User:Ottawahitech/American politics]] was deleted by [[User:Max]], who has [[Special:UserRights/Max|no special rights here]] but is one of the [[:m:Global sysops|global sysops]] I mentioned earlier. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 22:55, 15 September 2026 (UTC) : Probably unrelated to the above, but Ottawahitech should do that with their account, unless if they are blocked. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color: blue">Codename Noreste</span>]] /// [[User talk:Codename Noreste|⭐️✨]] 23:33, 15 September 2026 (UTC) ::Agreed and [[User:Ottawahitech]] is not blocked here, so no idea why he's using a temp account. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 23:43, 15 September 2026 (UTC) :::There may be many reasons registered users are "editing" without logging in. Is it possible that they want to go about peacefully without attracting too much attention? [[Special:Contributions/~2026-40500-29|~2026-40500-29]] ([[User talk:~2026-40500-29|talk]]) 15:01, 16 September 2026 (UTC) :::: We neither have a policy nor a guideline about this, probably. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color: blue">Codename Noreste</span>]] /// [[User talk:Codename Noreste|⭐️✨]] 19:12, 20 September 2026 (UTC) == Assistance to get page reviewed == My page is a translation page: [[Baiyi Zhuan]] It is a single page, it is translated according to my own ability and familiarity with the language with a disclosure on external tools. I would like it to get reviewed if possible as I do not have the rights. [[User:Taitesena|Taitesena]] ([[User talk:Taitesena|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Taitesena|contribs]]) 11:19, 18 September 2026 (UTC) == Translation of books == Hello, I would like to translate books from other Wikibooks into English. Are there any guidelines regarding how to do this? [[User:TechVindicator|TechVindicator]] ([[User talk:TechVindicator|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/TechVindicator|contribs]]) 00:34, 20 September 2026 (UTC) : This has yet to be expanded, but you might want to take a look at [[Wikibooks:Content translation]]. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color: blue">Codename Noreste</span>]] /// [[User talk:Codename Noreste|⭐️✨]] 19:13, 20 September 2026 (UTC) == Feedback on Wikibooks redirect == I would like your feedback on my proposal to make [[Wikibooks:Username|this page]] redirect to [[Using Wikibooks/Setting Up A User Account#Choosing a Username|this page]]? I would do it myself, but it is not possible due to the fact that [[Wikibooks:Username]] can only be made by admins. This is because [[Wikibooks:Username policy]] also links to [[Using Wikibooks/Setting Up A User Account#Choosing a Username|this page]]. Regards, [[User:TechVindicator|TechVindicator]] ([[User talk:TechVindicator|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/TechVindicator|contribs]]) 04:37, 21 September 2026 (UTC) :{{support}} ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 00:00, 22 September 2026 (UTC) This seems like a good idea to me. [[User:Alextejthompson|''Alextejthompson'']] (''Ping me or leave a message on my [[User talk:Alextejthompson|talk page]]'') 17:49, 21 September 2026 (UTC) ecmvvfwczoidtjm6mp78dnhed3a7ovy 0 123375 4671749 4330191 2026-09-22T10:07:17Z TechVindicator 3626296 4671749 wikitext text/x-wiki <div style="text-align:center; width:100%;"><big><big>'''An introduction to'''</big></big> [[File:Scratchlogo.svg|alt=Scratch|100px]] <big><big>'''imagine • program • share'''</big></big> [[/Introduction/]] • [[/Authors/]] • [[/Content License/]] • [[/Planning/]]</div> ==[[/Initial Setup|Initial Setup]]== <!-- under construction --> *[[/Initial Setup/What is Scratch?|What is Scratch?]] *[[/Online and Offline Editors|Online and Offline Editors]] ==[[/Learning Scratch|Learning Scratch]]== === Getting Started === *[[/Lessons/Downloading|Finding and Downloading Scratch]] *[[/Lessons/Resources|Resources available to use in Scratch]] *[[/Lessons/Sharing Projects|Sharing Scratch projects]] *[[/Lessons/Introduction|Introducing Scratch]] === Interface === * [[Introduction to Scratch Interface|Introduction]] * [[/Top Bar/]] * [[/Code Area/]] * [[/Costume Editor/]] * [[/Sound/]] * [[/Project/]] * [[/Sprite and Backdrop/]] * [[/Backpack/]] === Tutorials === *[[/Lessons/Making Sprites|Making Sprites]] *[[/Lessons/Stage Design|Stage Design]] *[[/Lessons/Custom Image Design|Custom Image Design]] *[[/Lessons/Event Triggers|Event Triggers and Blocks]] *[[/Lessons/Basic Animation|Basic Animation]] *[[/Lessons/Movement|Movement]] *[[/Lessons/Scene Changes|Scene and Stage Changes]] ==[[/Block Reference Guide/]]== ==[[/Terminology/]]== ==[[/Programming Concepts/]]== ==[[/Project Examples/]]== {{Shelves|Computer programming languages}} {{alphabetical|S}} {{status|25%}} __NOTOC__ __NOEDITSECTION__ 9oqrwdqavtmzme5i9ttq11bt8mx9xtd 0 130354 4671606 4638196 2026-09-21T14:17:02Z ~2026-51143-48 3626470 /* Test Yourself */ 4671606 wikitext text/x-wiki [[File:Anatomy and Physiology of Animals - 01 Chemicals.jpg|thumb|400px|right|original image by [http://flickr.com/photos/jurvetson/397768296/ jurvetson] CC-BY]] ==Objectives== After completing this section, you should know the: * symbols used to represent elements; * names of molecules commonly found in animal cells; * characteristics of ions and electrolytes; * basic structure of carbohydrates with examples; * carbohydrates can be divided into mono- di- and poly-saccharides; * basic structure of fats or lipids with examples; * basic structure of proteins with examples; * function of carbohydrates, lipids and proteins in the cell and animals' bodies; * foods which supply carbohydrates, lipids and proteins in animal diets. ==Elements And Atoms== The elements (simplest chemical substances) found in an animal’s body are all made of basic building blocks or atoms. The most common elements found in cells are given in the table below with the symbol that is used to represent them. {| class="wikitable" style="width: 200px; margin: 0px auto 0px auto; text-align: center;" ! Element || Symbol |- | Calcium || Ca |- | Carbon || C |- | Chlorine || Cl |- | Copper || Cu |- | Iodine || I |- | Hydrogen || H |- | Iron || Fe |- | Magnesium || Mg |- | Nitrogen || N |- | Oxygen || O |- | Phosphorous || P |- | Potassium || K |- | Sodium || Na |- | Sulphur || S |- | Zinc || Zn |} ==Compounds And Molecules== A '''molecule''' is formed when two or more '''atoms''' join together. A compound is formed when two or more different elements combine in a fixed ratio by mass. Note that some atoms are never found alone. For example '''oxygen''' is always found as molecules of 2 oxygen atoms (represented as O₂). The table below gives some common compounds. {| class="wikitable" style="width: 300px; margin: 0px auto 0px auto; text-align: center;" ! Compound || Symbol |- | Calcium carbonate || CaCO₃ |- | Carbon dioxide || CO₂ |- | Copper sulphate || CuSO₄ |- | Glucose || C₆H₁₂O₆ |- | Hydrochloric acid || HCl |- | Sodium bicarbonate (baking soda) || NaHCO₃ |- | Sodium chloride (table salt) || NaCl |- | Sodium hydroxide || NaOH |- | Water || H₂O |} ==Chemical Reactions== Reactions occur when atoms combine or separate from other atoms. In the process new products with different chemical properties are formed. Chemical reactions can be represented by '''chemical equations'''. The starting atoms or compounds are usually put on the left-hand side of the equation and the products on the right-hand side. For example * H₂O + CO₂ gives H₂CO₃ * or H₂O + CO₂ = H₂CO₃ * Water + Carbon dioxide gives Carbonic acid ==Ionization== When some atoms dissolve in water they become charged particles called '''ions'''. Some become positively charged ions and others negatively charged. Ions may have one, two or sometimes three charges. The table below shows examples of positively and negatively charged ions with the number of their charges. {| class="wikitable" style="width: 300px; margin: 0px auto 0px auto; text-align: center;" ! colspan="2" | Positive Ions ! colspan="2" | Negative Ions |- | H+ || Hydrogen || Cl- ||Chloride |- | Ca²+ || Calcium || OH- || Hydroxyl |- | Na+ || Sodium || HCO₃- || Bicarbonate |- | K+ || Potassium || CO₃²- || Carbonate |- | Mg²+ || Magnesium || SO₄²- || Sulphate |- | Fe²+ || Iron (ferrous) || PO₄³- || Phosphate |- | Fe³+ || Iron (ferric) || S²- || Sulphide |} Positive and negative ions attract one another to hold compounds together. Ions are important in cells because they conduct electricity when dissolved in water. Substances that ionise in this way are known as '''electrolytes'''. The molecules in an animal’s body fall into two groups: '''inorganic compounds''' and '''organic compounds'''. The difference between these is that the first type does not contain '''carbon''' and the second type does. ==Organic And Inorganic Compounds== Inorganic compounds include water, sodium chloride, potassium hydroxide and calcium phosphate. '''Water''' is the most abundant inorganic compound, making up over 60% of the volume of cells and over 90% of body fluids like blood. Many substances dissolve in water and all the chemical reactions that take place in the body do so when dissolved in water. Other inorganic molecules help keep the '''acid/base balance (pH)''' and concentration of the blood and other body fluids stable (see Chapter 8). Organic compounds include '''carbohydrates, proteins''' and '''fats''' or '''lipids'''. All organic molecules contain carbon atoms and they tend to be larger and more complex molecules than inorganic ones. This is largely because each carbon atom can link with four other atoms. Organic compounds can therefore consist of from one to many thousands of carbon atoms joined to form chains, branched chains and rings (see diagram below). All organic compounds also contain hydrogen and they may also contain other elements. [[Image:Anatomy and physiology of animals-organic compounds.jpg|center]] ==Carbohydrates== The name “carbohydrate” tells you something about the composition of these “hydrated carbon” compounds. They contain carbon, hydrogen and oxygen and like water (H₂O), there are always twice as many hydrogen atoms as oxygen atoms in each molecule. Carbohydrates are a large and diverse group that includes sugars, starches, glycogen and cellulose. Carbohydrates in the diet supply an animal with much of its energy and in the animal’s body, they transport and store energy. Carbohydrates are divided into three major groups based on size: '''monosaccharides''' (single sugars), '''disaccharides''' (double sugars) and '''polysaccharides''' (multi sugars). '''Monosaccharides''' are the smallest carbohydrate molecules. The most important monosaccharide is glucose which supplies much of the energy in the cell. It consists of a ring of 6 carbon atoms with oxygen and hydrogen atoms attached. '''Disaccharides''' are formed when 2 monosaccharides join together. Sucrose (table sugar), maltose, and lactose (milk sugar), are three important disaccharides. They are broken down to monosaccharides by digestive enzymes in the gut. '''Polysaccharides''' like starch, glycogen and cellulose are formed by tens or hundreds of monosaccharides linking together. Unlike mono- and di-saccharides, polysaccharides are not sweet to taste and most do not dissolve in water. {{multiple image |align=center |image1=Alpha-D-Glucopyranose.svg |alt1=Glucose |caption1=Glucose |width1=164 |image2=Lactose Haworth.svg |alt2=Lactose |width2=202 |caption2=Disaccharide (Lactose) }} :* '''Starch''' is the main molecule in which plants store the energy gained from the sun. It is found in grains like barley and roots like potatoes. :* '''Glycogen''', the polysaccharide used by animals to store energy, is found in the liver and the muscles that move the skeleton. :* '''Cellulose''' forms the rigid cell walls of plants. Its structure is similar to glycogen, but it can’t be digested by mammals. Cows and horses can eat cellulose with the help of bacteria which live in specialised parts of their gut. [[Image:Anatomy and physiology of animals-Polysaccharides.jpg|center]] ==Fats== '''Fats''' or '''lipids''' are important in the plasma membrane around cells and form the insulating fat layer under the skin. They are also a highly concentrated source of energy, and when eaten in the diet provide more than twice as much energy per gram as either carbohydrates or proteins. Like carbohydrates, fats contain carbon, hydrogen and oxygen, but unlike them, there is no particular relationship between the number of hydrogen and oxygen atoms. The fats and oils animals eat in their diets are called '''triglycerides''' or '''neutral fats'''. The building blocks of triglycerides are 3 '''fatty acids''' attached to a backbone of '''glycerol''' ('''glycerine'''). When fats are eaten the digestive enzymes break down the molecules into separate fatty acids and glycerol again. '''Fatty acids''' are divided into two kinds: '''saturated''' and '''unsaturated fatty acids''' depending on if they contain much (saturation) or little (unsaturation) hydrogen in their composition, and whether any there is at least one double bond (saturation) between carbons or not (unsaturation). The fat found in animals bodies and in dairy products contains mainly saturated fatty acids and tends to be solid at room temperature. Fish and poultry fats and plant oils contain mostly unsaturated fatty acids and are more liquid at room temperature. '''Phospholipids''' are lipids that contain a phosphate group. They are important in the plasma membrane of the cell. [[Image:Triglyceride.JPG|left]] [[Image:Chain of amino acids.jpg|center]] ==Proteins== '''Proteins''' are the third main group of organic compounds in the cell - in fact, if you dried out a cell, you would find that about 2/3 of the dry dust you were left with would consist of protein. Like carbohydrates and fats, proteins contain C, H and O, but all also contain '''nitrogen'''. Many also contain '''sulphur''' and '''phosphorus'''. In the cell, proteins are an important part of the plasma membrane of the cell, but their most essential role is as '''enzymes'''. These are molecules that act as biological catalysts and are necessary for biochemical reactions to proceed. Protein is also found as '''keratin''' in the skin, feathers and hair, in muscles, as well as in antibodies and some hormones. Proteins are built up of long chains of smaller molecules called '''amino acids'''. There are 20 common types of amino acid and different numbers of these arranged in different orders create the multitude of individual proteins that exist in an animal’s body. Long chains of amino acids often link with other amino acid chains and the resulting protein molecule may twist, spiral and fold up to make a complex 3-dimensional shape. As an example, see the diagram of the protein lysozyme below. Believe it or not, this is a small and relatively simple protein. [[Image:Protein conformation.jpg|center]] It is this shape that determines how proteins behave in cells, particularly when they are acting as enzymes. If for any reason this shape is altered, the protein stops working. This is what happens if proteins are heated or put in a solution that is too acidic or alkaline. Think what happens to the “white’” of an egg when it is cooked. The “white” contains the protein albumin, which is changed or “'''denatured'''” permanently by cooking. The catastrophic effect that heat has on enzymes is one of the reasons animals die if exposed to high temperatures. In the animal’s diet, proteins are found in meat (muscle), dairy products, seeds, nuts and legumes like soya. When the enzymes in the gut digest proteins they break them down into the separate amino acids, which are small enough to be absorbed into the blood. ==Summary== * '''Ions''' are charged particles, and '''electrolytes''' are solutions of ions in water. * '''Carbohydrates''' are made of carbon with hydrogen and oxygen (in the same ratio as water) linked together. The cell mainly uses carbohydrates for energy. * '''Fats''' are also made of carbon, hydrogen and oxygen. They are a powerful energy source, and are also used for insulation. * '''Proteins''' are the building materials of the body, and as '''enzymes''' make cell reactions happen. They contain nitrogen as well as carbon, hydrogen and oxygen. * Many also contain sulphur and phosphorous. ==Worksheet== [http://www.wikieducator.org/Chemicals_Worksheet Worksheet on Chemicals in the Cell] ==Test Yourself== 1. What is the difference between an atom and a molecule? 2. What is the chemical name for baking soda? :And its formula? 3. Write the equation for carbonic acid splitting into water and carbon dioxide. 4. A solution of table salt in water is an example of an electrolyte. :What ions are present in this solution? 5. What element is always present in proteins but not usually in fats or carbohydrates? 6. List three differences between glucose and glycogen. :1. :2. :3. 7. Which will provide you with the most energy – one gram of sugar or one gram of butter? 8. Why do organic compounds tend to be more complex and larger than inorganic compounds ? 9. What are fatty acids composed of? [[/Test Yourself Answers/]] ==Website== * [http://darwin.baruch.cuny.edu/bio1003/organic_background.html Survey of the living world organic molecules] A good summary of carbohydrates, fats and proteins. ==Glossary== * [http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Anatomy_and_Physiology_of_Animals/Glossary Link to Glossary] {{BookCat}} 2yaqnag5v45u6w3ew6dsi17hankb7v9 4 140081 4671730 4671578 2026-09-22T08:10:32Z ArchiverBot 1227662 Bot: Archiving 3 threads (older than 14 days) to [[Wikibooks:Reading room/Administrative Assistance/Archives/2026/September]] 4671730 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ {{Discussion Rooms}} {{shortcut|WB:AN|WB:AA}} {{TOC left}} {{User:MiszaBot/config |archive = Wikibooks:Reading room/Administrative Assistance/Archives/%(year)d/%(monthname)s |algo = old(14d) |counter = 1 |minthreadstoarchive = 1 |minthreadsleft = 1 }} {{ombox|type=content|text='''To request a rename or usurpation''', go to the global request page at Meta [[meta:SRUC|here]].<br />''Please do not post those requests here!''}} {{Clear}} Welcome to the '''Administrative Assistance reading room'''. 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''Geum fragarioides''), also known as Barren strawberry or Northern barren strawberry, is a low-growing, herbaceous groundcover grown for its semi evergreen foliage and yellow spring flowers. The "barren" in the name refers to its producing small, dry, inedible achenes rather than the fleshy, sweet fruits of true strawberries. ==Description== Appalachian barren strawberry is a perennial herb growing 3 to 6 inches tall and spreading via shallow, subsurface rhizomes. It produces glossy, trifoliate leaves with wedge-shaped, toothed leaflets that mimic true strawberry foliage, turning a rich bronze-red or purple hue during the winter months. In mid-spring to early summer, leafless stalks lift clusters of 5-petaled, bright yellow flowers adorned with distinct golden stamens. Unlike true strawberries, its styles are not persistent or hooked, and its fruit is a dry, non-fleshy cluster of achenes. Recent phylogenetic data published in 2023 examining nuclear and plastid DNA confirmed that while this species shares close evolutionary links to the broader ''Geum'' lineage (known historically as ''Geum s.l.''), it preserves a highly distinct monophyletic lineage that warrants maintaining ''Waldsteinia'' as a completely separate genus. ==Growing Conditions== * '''Sun:''' Performs best in partial shade to full shade. It can tolerate full sun in cool northern climates if soil moisture remains consistent, but it dislikes hot, humid southern summers. * '''Soil:''' Prefers moist, well-drained, humus-rich soil containing loam, clay, or rocky material. It has a notable preference for slightly acidic to neutral pH levels (5.5 to 7.0). * '''Moisture:''' Thrives with medium moisture from fall through spring, but demonstrates high drought tolerance once its root systems are fully established. ==Nursery Trade Confusion== ''Waldsteinia fragarioides'' is extensively confused in the commercial horticulture market with its Eurasian counterpart, ''Waldsteinia ternata'' (Siberian barren strawberry). Because Eurasian ''Waldsteinia ternata'' generates more aggressive above-ground stolons (runners) that readily root at nodes, commercial wholesale growers can propagate it rapidly and easily with minimal labor. By contrast, the native ''Waldsteinia fragarioides'' lacks above-ground runners entirely, creeping slowly via underground rhizomes. Because of this structural difference in growth speed, the fast-growing Eurasian look-alike has accidentally flooded the North American retail industry and has been widely grown, distributed, and sold under mislabeled "native" ''Waldsteinia fragarioides'' tags. The two look-alikes can be reliably differentiated via fine-scale physical and behavioral markers: * '''Petal Structure:''' Native ''W. fragarioides'' features narrow, widely separated yellow petals showing clear green gaps. Eurasian ''W. ternata'' features broad, overlapping petals. * '''Calyx Anatomy:''' The native species completely lacks an epicalyx (possessing only 5 smooth primary sepals). The Eurasian species features a conspicuous epicalyx consisting of 5 extra minor secondary bractlets situated between the primary sepals. * '''Leaf Margins:''' The native leaf tips are shallowly rounded and scalloped (crenate), whereas the Eurasian foliage displays sharp, jagged, and heavily serrated margins. * '''Growth Habit and Spread:''' Native ''W. fragarioides'' forms a slow, controlled clump that expands strictly via subterranean runners. Eurasian ''W. ternata'' acts as a more rapid groundcover that weaves over the soil surface utilizing visible stolons. ==Uses== This non-aggressive native groundcover serves as an excellent "green mulch" for weed suppression along garden borders, pathways, rocky slopes, and woodland restoration zones. It is highly effective for stabilizing soil and preventing erosion on shady banks. ==Conservation Status== Appalachian barren strawberry is wide-ranging but locally uncommon across eastern North America. Due to continuous habitat loss and development pressures within its native woodland ranges, it is legally protected across several states, carrying an official designation as an '''Endangered Species''' in Connecticut,<ref>''Connecticut's Endangered, Threatened and Special Concern Species 2015''. State of Connecticut Department of Energy and Environmental Protection Bureau of Natural Resources. Retrieved 14 May 2018.</ref> Illinois, and Maine. It is listed as threatened in New Hampshire, as a special concern in Massachusetts, and is considered rare in Indiana. ==Maintenance== This plant requires exceptionally low maintenance. Applying a uniform layer of organic mulch around the perimeter during its first year helps retain required soil moisture and protects the shallow crown from lifting during extreme winter frost-heaves. Once established, it requires no routine pruning or deadheading. ==Propagation== * '''By Division:''' The most efficient method for the home garden. Established clumps can be cleanly cut with a spade to sever the connecting subterranean rhizomes. Individual plantlets should be dug out and spaced 6 to 12 inches apart in late winter or early spring. * '''By Seed:''' Seeds require a mandatory 30-day period of cold, moist stratification to mimic natural winter dormancy. Sow stratified seeds shallowly in flats during early spring. ==Harvest== This plant does not yield any usable food products, textile elements, or consumer crops. ==Pests and Diseases== Appalachian barren strawberry boasts outstanding resistance to deer and rabbits, and exhibits no significant vulnerability to major plant pathogens. 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What is the difference between an atom and a molecule? :''An atom is the simplest building block of matter – elements are made of atoms. Molecules are made of atoms joined together.'' 2. What is the chemical name for baking soda? And its formula? :''Sodium Bicarbonate, NaHCO3'' 3. Write the equation for carbonic acid splitting into water and carbon dioxide. H2CO3 • CO2 + H2O 4. A solution of table salt in water is an example of an electrolyte. What ions are present in this solution? :''Na+ and Cl- (also H+ and OH-)'' 5. What element is always present in proteins but not usually in fats or carbohydrates? :''Nitrogen'' 6. List three differences between glucose and glycogen. :''Glucose is a monosaccharide, glycogen is a polysaccharide (and a much bigger molecule); glucose is sweet to taste and dissolves in water, glycogen is not sweet and is insoluble; glucose is used for energy whereas glycogen stores energy.'' 7. Which will provide you with the most energy – one gram of sugar or one gram of butter? :''Fats provide approximately 2.5 times more energy than carbohydrates – so the butter wins hands down!'' {{BookCat}} : :9. What are fatty acids composed of? :''Fatty acids are made up of 3 fatty acid groups bonded to a glycerol by glycosidic bonds.'' adenjthw2bv1m7928zyysnxt93i74j0 102 159971 4671618 4637580 2026-09-21T15:00:52Z Mupper-san 3205967 Added [[Category:Ukrainian recipes]]. 4671618 wikitext text/x-wiki __NOTOC__{{Recipe summary | Category = Soup recipes | Servings = 6 | Difficulty = 3 | Image = [[File:Bowl of Ukrainian Borscht.jpg|300px]] }} {{recipe}} | [[Cookbook:Cuisine of Ukraine|Ukrainian Cuisine]] '''Ukrainian borshch''' is a vegetable [[Cookbook:Soup|soup]] with beetroots as its characteristic ingredient. It is an everyday and ritual dish, known since at least the early Kyiv Rus times. Borshch is very nourishing, especially if you cook it with meat, so it is normally eaten for dinner. Ukrainians are known for eating this hearty vegetable soup with pork as a morning pick-me-up and then again three times throughout the day! A plate of hot Borscht in winter will warm you up and in summer it will be very refreshing if you eat it cold. There are different types of borshch, and the choice of ingredients varies based on the region or simply on what your fridge offers. The most common are broth, red beets, cabbage, carrot, mushrooms, beans, onion, garlic, and beet [[Cookbook:Kvass|kvass]]. One popular variety of borshch is Ukrainian borshch, which is usually made with red beets and served hot with sour cream. Another variety is green borshch, which is made in spring and summer when there are new plants, and a third common variety is cold borshch (''holodnyk''), which is made usually during the summer and served cold.[[File:Ukrainian Borscht Ingredients.jpg|thumb|308x308px|Ingredients]] ==Ingredients== *½ [[Cookbook:Cup|cup]] dried [[Cookbook:Beans|beans]], soaked in water overnight *2–3 [[Cookbook:Pound|pounds]] [[Cookbook:Pork|pork]] or [[Cookbook:Beef|beef]] *3 cups water *1 large or 2 medium [[Cookbook:Beet|beets]], peeled and [[Cookbook:Julienne|julienne]] *2 [[Cookbook:Tablespoon|tbsp]] [[Cookbook:Vegetable oil|vegetable oil]] *1 [[Cookbook:Onion|onion]], peeled and [[Cookbook:Dice|diced]] *3 [[Cookbook:Carrot|carrots]], peeled and diced *Green [[Cookbook:Bell Pepper|bell pepper]], diced *[[Cookbook:Tomato|Tomatoes]], diced *2 [[Cookbook:Potato|potatoes]], cut into thick [[Cookbook:Slicing|slices]] *Herbs and spices: [[Cookbook:Salt|salt]], [[Cookbook:Bay Leaf|bay leaf]], [[Cookbook:Black Pepper|black pepper]], [[Cookbook:Red pepper flakes|red pepper flakes]], [[Cookbook:Thyme|thyme]] *½ small [[Cookbook:Cabbage|cabbage]], thinly sliced *3 ounces salted pork fat or bacon *2 cloves [[Cookbook:Garlic|garlic]] *2 tbsp chopped [[Cookbook:Dill|dill]] *½ cup plain [[Cookbook:Yogurt|yoghurt]] *⅓ cup of [[Cookbook:Tomato Paste|tomato paste]] *[[Cookbook:Sour Cream|Sour cream]] ==Procedure== # Drain the soaked beans and put aside. # Place the meat in a large pot, and add 3 cups of cold water. # Bring to a [[Cookbook:Boiling|boil]] slowly and remove scum. # Add half of the onion and 2 carrots. # Reduce to a [[Cookbook:Simmering|simmer]], partially cover the pot, and cook for about 1 hour. # When done, add the beets and beans, and bring to a boil. Lower the heat, cover, and simmer until the beans are tender. # In the vegetable oil, [[Cookbook:Sweat|sweat]] half of the onion, carrots, and green pepper over low heat until the onions are yellow. # Scrape into the pot, and simmer for a few minutes. Scrape in tomatoes, potatoes, and spices, and simmer until the potatoes are tender. # Add the cabbage and simmer until it has the consistency you like. # In the meantime, chop the garlic, dill, and pork fat (or bacon) in the [[Cookbook:Food Processor|food processor]], whisking in the yoghurt at the end. # When the cabbage is the way you like it, add tomato paste and the garlic-dill-fat mixture. # Return the pot to a simmer, then cover the pot, turn the heat off, and let the flavors mingle for at least 30 minutes. # When ready to serve, ladle into bowls and top the soup with a dollop of sour cream on top. == Notes, tips, and variations == * Use clean filtered or natural water. * Cook all vegetables over low heat in a covered pot. * Beets can be stewed separately with a little amount of beet kvass and vegetable oil before adding the broth. Then add them to all other ingredients 10 minutes before the end of cooking. * The best meat for borshch is fat beef with bones. * Often dried white [[Cookbook:Mushroom|mushrooms]] are added, but you can use any other dried mushrooms. * Garlic can also be mashed with a slice of fat bacon and added to the prepared borshch. * Do not be afraid of putting too much cabbage into the pot. Beside the beetroot, it is the main ingredient of Borscht and it makes the soup thick, which is characteristic of good Borscht. * Use a large pot for your borscht. * If you have leftovers, simply eat them the next day. Your soup will even taste better than the day before. * If you are short of time, buy tinned beans instead of soaking the dried ones overnight. They do not need to be cooked; just add them when your borshch is ready. ==References== # Клиновецька З.Страви й напитки на Україні. - К.:"Час", 1991. - С.178 # Bohdan Zahny. The Best of Ukrainian Cuisine ((Hippocrene International Cookbook Series). - USA, 2005 # Annette Ogrodnik Corona. New Ukrainian Cookbook. - USA, 2012 [[Category:Recipes using beef]] [[Category:Recipes using beet]] [[Category:Soup recipes]] [[Category:Recipes for borscht]] [[Category:Boiled recipes]] [[Category:Main course recipes]] [[Category:Recipes with images]] [[Category:Recipes using bacon]] [[Category:Recipes using green bell pepper]] [[Category:Recipes using cabbage]] [[Category:Recipes using carrot]] [[Category:Recipes using dill]] [[Category:Recipes using garlic]] [[Category:Recipes using vegetable oil]] [[Category:Ukrainian recipes]] k9p75fg25el9jgyu092xjocg26w92v3 0 176083 4671731 4624530 2026-09-22T08:19:18Z ~2026-51354-52 3626537 fixed typo 4671731 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Chess Opening Theory/Position |van Geet opening |eco=[[Chess/ECOA|A00]] |parent=[[../|Starting position]] }} == 1...d5 == Black stakes a claim to the centre. Their d-pawn threatens to come to d4 and unseat White's knight. If [[/2. d4|'''2. d4''']], that danger is prevented. The game transposes into a version of the closed game where White's knight obstructs the usual move c4. No matter: White can try a Jobava-London system (Bf4) or Richter-Veresov attack (Bg5) instead. [[/2. e4|'''2. e4''']] is more common, allowing 2...d4, which White answers with the manoeuvre Ne2 & Ng3. ==Theory table== {{ChessTable}} {{Chess/theory table |links=0 |line1=2. e4 d5 3. Ne2 e5 5. Ng3 Be6 |eval1={{chess/not|-}} |line2=2. d4 - |name2=Chigorin variation<br><small>(by transposition)</small> }} {{ChessMid}} ==References== {{reflist}} ===See also=== {{Wikipedia|Dunst Opening}} {{Chess Opening Theory/Footer}} 4mivvyj1xsyo204pgdocjwypjfgpx6y 110 178261 4671715 4540606 2026-09-22T07:38:17Z ~2026-50855-70 3626531 4671715 wikitext text/x-wiki <div style="text-align: center; font-size: 400%;">'''D''' is for '''D'''ates PG13 成人题材 [[File:Mazafati dates - whole, halved and seed.jpg|alt=dates|center|frameless|506x506px]] {{FoodNav}} citholcf9dffyopaokd9u9kaktsaaor 4671716 4671715 2026-09-22T07:39:04Z Saroj 3098642 [[WB:REVERT|Reverted]] edit by [[Special:Contributions/~2026-50855-70|~2026-50855-70]] ([[User talk:~2026-50855-70|talk]]) to last version by AtTheTownHouse 4540606 wikitext text/x-wiki <div style="text-align: center; font-size: 400%;">'''D''' is for '''D'''ates</div> [[File:Mazafati dates - whole, halved and seed.jpg|alt=dates|center|frameless|506x506px]] {{FoodNav}} cq2qvq529wfqo41ffzyg274nltf6ylg 0 181901 4671621 4597245 2026-09-21T15:11:26Z ~2026-51020-21 3626475 Reorganized manual workflow: added "Bed-making" section at the beginning, placed "Drying Protocols" after washing, generalized "Universal Folding" using folding boards for both garments and linens, and restricted "Bedclothes" to efficient storage and occupational ergonomics. 4671621 wikitext text/x-wiki __NOTOC__{{split}} You can houseclean. Domestic maintenance and residential cleaning can be pursued for various purposes, including physical exercise, personal task accomplishment, and the psychological benefits associated with inhabiting an orderly space.<ref>Mendelson, Cheryl (2005). ''Home Comforts: The Art and Science of Keeping House''. Simon & Schuster. ISBN 978-0743272803.</ref> Within the structural methodology of household cleaning, the preliminary phase requires systematic decluttering and organizing (order) before executing any deeper sanitization tasks. This process is dual-natured: it demands not only the immediate collection and disposal of indoor litter and refuse, but predominantly the methodical returning of displaced items to their designated storage locations.<ref>Spurgeon, Maureen (2001). ''The Complete Guide to Housekeeping''. Grange Books. ISBN 978-1840134018.</ref> Establishing correct spatial categorization is a prerequisite to clearing surface areas, minimizing structural friction, and optimizing subsequent cleaning workflows. ==[[/Indoor Litter|Throw away indoor litter]]== Put on rubber gloves, grab a plastic trash bag or some paper bags, and throw away the litter. Do this first because it’s easy to decide where to put litter. ==Declutter== Pick up an empty laundry basket, box, tote, or bucket. Place items that do not belong in the room in the basket. Move to the next room. Remove items that belong in the room and put them away. Pick up the items that do not belong in the room, place them in the basket, and move to the next room. Once you have moved through the house twice, everything should be in the right place. Put books back on the book shelf. Put dirty dishes in the dishwasher or sink. Put dirty clothes in the hamper. Hangs up coats and so forth. If you notice useless junk, recycle it or throw it away. If you notice clutter you could sell or donate someplace, remember to do so after you clean it. ==Dust== Get some dust cloths and wipe the furniture and other hard surfaces to remove the dust. Use the upholstery nozzle on the vacuum cleaner’s hose to dust drapery and fabric furniture. Vacuum the carpet with the rotating brushes flicking it. Vacuum other floors with the brushes up, or use a dust mop. ==Wash surfaces, clothes & dishes== Choose the right cleaning solution for the job at hand. You don't need a lot of expensive products. You can clean with natural products that are good for the environment and your health as well. Bonus---they're cheap. Consider using: *Distilled (White) vinegar for cleaning most hard surfaces (use caution when using on natural stone) could damage some marble,granite etc... *Baking Soda (sodium bicarbonate) for scrubbing away tougher stains. *Hydrogen peroxide for removing stains on fabrics. (test first in small area) *Rubbing alcohol for sticky messes and for glass. (test first in small area) == Bed-making == The execution of standard bed-making routines constitutes a primary catalyst for establishing micro-spatial order and visual symmetry within residential interiors.<ref>Mendelson, Cheryl (2005). ''Home Comforts: The Art and Science of Keeping House''. Simon & Schuster. ISBN 978-0743272803.</ref> This sequence follows precise mechanical phases to optimize mattress coverage and ensure immediate surface tension:<ref>Spurgeon, Maureen (2001). ''The Complete Guide to Housekeeping''. Grange Books. ISBN 978-1840134018.</ref> # Tensioning the Fitted Sheet: Secure the perimeter by anchoring the elastic contours underneath the four mattress corners. # Aligning the Flat Top Sheet: Spread the sheet evenly across the mattress surface, aligning the top header with the headboard. If blankets or duvets are required, stack them symmetrically and fold the upper section of the flat sheet over them to create a clean protective header (the embozo). # Tucking and Envelope Corners (Hospital Corners): Secure the lateral and foot margins beneath the mattress base utilizing tight, diagonal geometric folds to prevent slippage during rest. # Pillow and Covering Adjustment: Fluff and position pillows upright against the headboard, and smooth down the external bedspread or comforter to eliminate top surface friction. ==Kitchen== ===Dishes=== It may seem counter intuitive, but dishwashers use less water and energy than washing by hand. The dishwasher will also sanitize your dishes if you use heated dry. To hand-wash dishes, start by cleaning the sink/basin with vinegar or a commercial cleaning solution. You'll never get clean dishes from a dirty sink. Place the drain plug in the sink, fill it with the hottest water your skin can handle. While the sink is filling add a teaspoon of dish detergent or soap. Scrape food particles from the dishes into the compost bin, garbage, or garbage disposal. Place the dishes in the soap and water solution. If the water is too hot, tidy the kitchen until the water is cool enough to handle. Wash the dishes thoroughly on both sides. If you have a double-basin sink, place the plug in the drain of the second basin and neatly stack the dishes in it as you wash them. Fill the second basin with the hottest water possible. Allow the dishes to sit in the hot water for a few minutes to help sanitize them. Once the water is cool enough to handle, remove the dishes from the second basin, dry them and place them in the dish rack to air dry. Wash dishes and serving pieces first, then pots and pans. If you are working with a single-basin sink, wash all of the dishes, drain the basin, then refill the basin with the hottest water possible, allow the dishes to sit in the hot water for a few minutes, then remove and dry them. ==Bathroom== ===Daily=== Clean the following items <u>in order</u> with vinegar or all-surfaces cleaner in a spray bottle and a soft cloth. *Mirror *Light switch plate *Doorknob on both sides of the door *Faucet(make it sparkle) drying with soft cloth can make it happen *Countertop and basin/sink *Toilet flush handle *Toilet tank cover *Toilet lid *Toilet seat *Toilet rim *Misfires from your boys and grown men (alternatively, ask them to always seat on the toilet at home, just like the women do). *Brush interior of toilet bowl with a toilet brush. *clean behind and floor behind also If you do this daily it will take five minutes or less, and make your weekly cleaning tasks much easier. ==Laundry == Here’s a super simple, beginner-friendly guide to doing laundry from start to finish — no experience needed: ---- === Step 1: Gather Everything === * '''Clothes:''' Collect all the dirty clothes, towels, and sheets. * '''Check labels:''' Inside most clothes is a small white care tag that says things like “cold wash only,” “tumble dry low,” or “hand wash.” * '''Empty pockets:''' Coins, pens, and tissues can ruin a load. ---- === Step 2: Sort the Laundry === This prevents colors from bleeding and clothes from wearing out too fast. * '''Lights:''' Whites, light grays, pastels. * '''Darks:''' Blacks, blues, reds, dark greens. * '''Delicates:''' Lingerie, silk, or anything that says “delicate” or “hand wash.” * '''Towels & Bedding:''' Wash these separately — they need hotter water and longer cycles. ---- === Step 3: Add Detergent === * Use '''liquid or pod detergent''' made for washing machines. * For regular loads, use the cap line that says “1” or “medium load.” * Too much detergent leaves residue; too little won’t clean well. * If using pods, toss one directly '''into the drum before''' adding clothes. ''(If your machine has separate dispensers, the lid or tray is usually labeled “Detergent,” “Softener,” and “Bleach.”)'' ---- === Step 4: Load the Washer === * Don’t overstuff — leave about a hand’s width of space at the top. * Close the lid or door securely. ---- === Step 5: Choose Settings === Most washers have a dial or digital menu: * '''Water Temp:''' ** ''Cold:'' Dark colors and delicate fabrics. ** ''Warm:'' Everyday clothes. ** ''Hot:'' Towels, sheets, heavily soiled clothes. * '''Cycle Type:''' ** ''Normal/Regular:'' Most clothes. ** ''Delicate/Gentle:'' Light fabrics. ** ''Heavy Duty:'' Towels, jeans. Then press '''Start'''. ---- === Step 6: Move Clothes to the Dryer === * Take them out promptly when the wash cycle ends. * Clean the '''lint trap''' (the screen inside the dryer door or top edge). * Choose a setting: ** ''Normal/High Heat:'' Towels, jeans. ** ''Medium/Low Heat:'' Everyday clothes. ** ''Air Dry/No Heat:'' Delicates or anything you don’t want to shrink. * Press '''Start'''. ---- === Step 7: Fold or Hang === * Take clothes out as soon as they’re dry to prevent wrinkles. * Fold or hang them right away. ---- === Optional Extras === * '''Fabric softener:''' Makes clothes smell good and feel softer. * '''Dryer sheets:''' Reduce static cling. * '''Air drying:''' Hang clothes on a rack if you prefer no dryer. === Drying Protocols === To preserve fiber longevity and minimize structural deformation across all domestic laundry batches, textiles require controlled heat parameters during evaporation. Industrial calenders and domestic tumble dryers should be set to low or medium thermal thresholds, as excessive heat damages woven cotton matrices, triggers contraction, and bakes static creases into fabrics.<ref>Stewart, Martha (2002). ''Martha Stewart's Homekeeping Handbook: The Essential Guide to Caring for Everything in Your Home''. Clarkson Potter. ISBN 978-0517594124.</ref> Furthermore, all garments and linens must be extracted promptly at the end of the drying cycle while still holding residual thermal energy; executing the subsequent folding process while the fibers remain warm drastically neutralizes internal tension and allows for manual smoothing without necessitating separate pressing or ironing procedures.<ref>Bari, S. R. (2021). ''Hospital Laundry and Linen Management Operations''. Medical Science Publishers. ISBN 978-9389247123.</ref> === Universal Folding and Stabilization === The structural folding workflow for dried garments and bedding items is engineered to reduce bulk volume and enforce mathematical uniformity through specific geometric pliegues: * Geometric Folding by Bands (Garments and Linens): Fabrics are flattened and structured into narrow, longitudinal bands before being folded in consecutive thirds or fourths. This visual normalization baseline guarantees identical, square widths across all processed units, directly streamlining parallel drawer and shelf integration.<ref>Kondo, Marie (2016). ''Spark Joy: An Illustrated Master Class on the Art of Organizing and Tidying Up''. Ten Speed Press. ISBN 978-1607749721.</ref> * Elastic Corner Nesting (Fitted Sheets): To neutralize the asymmetric volume and rounded profiles generated by elastic borders, opposite corners are technically inverted and tucked into each other. This mechanical convergence flattens the fitted sheet into a crisp rectangular profile, allowing it to be folded as a standard garment.<ref>Laundon, Thomas (2019). ''Textile Logistics and Laundry Management in Healthcare Facilities''. Academic Press. ISBN 978-0128143217.</ref> * Pneumatic Purging and Template Standardization (Folding Boards)''':''' Air trapped within the woven textile pliegues must be systematically expelled during the flattening phase to uniform the batch caliber and reduce surface friction. In institutional environments, this spatial precision is achieved via rigid folding boards. For domestic management of large-format sheets and clothing, this is frequently replicated using custom DIY cardboard templates assembled with heavy-duty tape.<ref>Kondo, Marie (2014). ''The Life-Changing Magic of Tidying Up: The Japanese Art of Decluttering and Organizing''. Ten Speed Press. ISBN 978-1607747307.</ref> These multi-paneled structural grids act as a physical delimiter, forcing both clothing and sheets into identical rectangular footprints regardless of the user's manual dexterity, minimizing structural friction on closet shelves and ensuring the compact footprint required for parallel vertical storage.<ref>Emmons, Mary (2018). ''The Organized Home: Simple Strategies for Turning Chaos into Calm''. Rockridge Press. ISBN 978-1641521468.</ref> ==== Bedclothes ==== ===== Efficient Storage Systems ===== To optimize spatial logistics within institutional linen closets and domestic organizers, processed bedclothes are arranged via the **vertical filing system (archive method)**. Bundles are compressed into firm, self-standing rectangular packets and placed vertically on shelves—in parallel, like a deck of cards—rather than stacked in unstable vertical towers. This method maximizes cubic volume efficiency, reduces fabric friction, and allows for rapid, individualized extraction of specific clean sheets without disrupting the structural symmetry of the surrounding batch.<ref>Emmons, Mary (2018). ''The Organized Home: Simple Strategies for Turning Chaos into Calm''. Rockridge Press. ISBN 978-1641521468.</ref> For long-term preservation, emergency reserves, or seasonal management, mechanical compression via hermetic vacuum storage bags is heavily employed. Suction systems or vacuum equipment evacuate all internal air elasticity, collapsing the fabric's volume by up to 80% while sealing fibers against humidity and hospital-borne microbiological vector contamination.<ref>Miller, Robert (2020). ''Industrial Laundry Operations and Sanitization Standards''. Technical Prints. ISBN 978-1536171990.</ref> ===== Applied Ergonomics ===== Under applied ergonomics, it must be noted that extreme volumetric reduction constitutes an optical illusion that masks the actual mass of the workload. Multiple pieces compressed into a single container significantly increase the tactile density of the package; therefore, handling precautions are required to prevent acute physical overexertion and chronic musculoskeletal injuries during bulk transportation.<ref>Pheasant, Stephen (2016). ''Bodyspace: Anthropometry, Ergonomics and the Design of Work''. CRC Press. ISBN 978-1498700320.</ref> ==Conclusion== You might not be able to do all the cleaning in one session. So what? The trick is to do some of it now. If the process seems overwhelming, pick a small corner area, preferably one with a small table and chair, such as your reading nook. Tidy it up, then clean it thoroughly. This gives you a spot to look at that isn't depressing. Next, make the next corner clean. Soon you will find yourself motivated to clean up the rest of the room, and the rest of the house. Also, for those of us who didn’t take home economics, there are books on cleaning in book stores. Ask a clerk where the store keeps them. {{Shelves|Maintenance and repair}} {{Alphabetical|H}} {{status|0%}} b52yn63nii69dg9t62k9jtuh8sj019o 1 190226 4671599 1610111 2026-09-21T12:56:49Z ~2026-50914-33 3626461 /* Biased Language */ new section 4671599 wikitext text/x-wiki {{ChessProject|importance=Mid|class=C}} == Biased Language == Amateur, Unprincipled, Romantic, Dubious while the reached positions still have ideas being explored in modern theory and multiple variations are born out of it. Further ideas are severely lacking within article which computer analysis shows minimal but existent advantage for white. Possibly should not be played by Grandmasters, but still has attacking ideas up to move 20 which Master level players have recently utilized. [[Special:Contributions/~2026-50914-33|~2026-50914-33]] ([[User talk:~2026-50914-33|talk]]) 12:56, 21 September 2026 (UTC) puz0z6pma1azd4ufzrny936ejq2lv9m 0 191840 4671658 4310301 2026-09-21T22:59:59Z ~2026-51017-16 3626504 4671658 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Network Plus Certification/Header|top_url=/Media and Topologies|top=Network Media and Topologies|cur=Objective 2.1: Cables|next_url=Connectors|next=Objective 2.2: Connectors}} <div style="float:right;margin-left:10px;">__TOC__</div> <big>'''Objective 2.1: Categorize standard cable types and their properties'''</big> [[File:Servers at LAAS (FDLS 2007) 0389.jpg|left|350px|Cables]] {{clear}} ==[[wikipedia:Category_3_cable|Category 3]]== Part of a family of copper cabling standards defined jointly by the Electronic Industries Alliance and the Telecommunications Industry Association. Category 3 was a popular cabling format among computer network administrators in the early 1990s, but fell out of popularity in favor of the very similar, but higher performing, Category 5 standard. Cat 3 is currently still in use in two-line telephone systems, and can easily be adapted to run Voice over Internet Protocol (as long as a dedicated local area network for the telephones is created). * Transmission speed: up to 10 Mbit/s * Distance: 100 meters * Duplex (two-way communication): Full if point-to-point (see Objective 2.3) * Noise immunity: Good if STP (Shielded Twisted Pair), Poor if UTP (Unshielded Twisted Pair) - see below * Frequency: 16 MHz ==[[wikipedia:Category_5_cable|Category 5]]== Part of a family of copper cabling standards defined jointly by the Electronic Industries Alliance and the Telecommunications Industry Association. Category 5 cable includes four [[#UTP_.28Unshielded_Twisted_Pair.29|twisted pairs]] in a single cable jacket. This use of balanced lines helps preserve a high signal-to-noise ratio despite interference from both external sources and other pairs (this latter form of interference is called [[Network_Plus_Certification/Management/Connectivity_Issues#Crosstalk|crosstalk]]). * Transmission speed: up to 100 Mbit/s * Distance: 100 meters * Duplex: Full if point-to-point (see Objective 2.3) * Noise immunity: Good if STP (Shielded Twisted Pair), Poor if UTP (Unshielded Twisted Pair) - see below * Frequency: 100 MHz ==[[wikipedia:Category_5_cable#Category_5e|Category 5e]]== Part of a family of copper cabling standards defined jointly by the Electronic Industries Alliance and the Telecommunications Industry Association. Category 5e cable is an enhanced version of Category 5 that adds specifications for [[Network_Plus_Certification/Management/Connectivity_Issues#Crosstalk|far end crosstalk]]. * Transmission speed: up to 1000 Mbit/s (also known as 1 Gbit/s) * Distance: 100 meters * Duplex: Full if point-to-point (see Objective 2.3) * Noise immunity: Good if STP (Shielded Twisted Pair), Poor if UTP (Unshielded Twisted Pair) - see below * Frequency: 350 MHz ==[[wikipedia:Category_6_cable|Category 6]]== Part of a family of copper cabling standards defined jointly by the Electronic Industries Alliance and the Telecommunications Industry Association. Category 6 features more stringent specifications for [[Network_Plus_Certification/Management/Connectivity_Issues#Crosstalk|crosstalk]] and system noise than Category 5e. * Transmission speed: up to 10 Gbit/s * Distance: 100 meters * Duplex: Full if point-to-point (see Objective 2.3) * Noise immunity: Good if STP (Shielded Twisted Pair), Poor if UTP (Unshielded Twisted Pair) - see below * Frequency: 250 MHz (500 MHz for Category 6a) ==[[wikipedia:Twisted_pair#Unshielded_twisted_pair_.28UTP.29|UTP (Unshielded Twisted Pair)]]== [[Image:UTP cable.jpg|thumb|left|Unshielded Twisted Pair]] [[File:Twisted pair uutp.svg|thumb|right|UTP cable format]] Eight copper wires twisted into four color-coded pairs and then wound inside a jacket to reduce [[Network_Plus_Certification/Management/Connectivity_Issues#Crosstalk|crosstalk]]. {{clear}} ==[[wikipedia:Twisted_pair#Cable_shielding|S/FTP (Screened Foiled Twisted Pair)]]== [[File:Twisted pair sftp.svg|thumb|right|S/FTP cable format]] [[Image:TwistedPair S-FTP.jpg|thumb|left|Screened Foiled Twisted Pair]] Eight copper wires twisted into four color-coded pairs, each foiled to prevent high low frequency electromagnetic interference and then wound inside a shield of wire mesh to prevent [[Network_Plus_Certification/Management/Connectivity_Issues#Interference|low frequency electromagnetic interference]]. {{clear}} ==[[wikipedia:Multi-mode_optical_fiber|Multimode fiber]]== [[Image:Optical-fibre.svg|thumb|right|250px|The propagation of light through a multi-mode optical fiber.]] In fiber-optic communication, a multimode fiber is a type of optical fiber mostly used for communication over shorter distances, such as within a building or on a campus. More than one signal can be transmitted at a time by bouncing the light off of the walls of the core because of the size of its core, greater than 10 microns. It can be made of glass or plastic, as the tolerances required over shorter distances allow for the use of plastic. The shorter distance also allows for the use of a laser or a less expensive LED (light emitting diode) as the source of light traveling through the fiber. <div style="float:left;margin-right:15px;"> {| class="wikitable" ! Speed || Distance |- | 100 Mbit/s || 2 kilometers |- | 1 Gbit/s || 550 meters |- | 10 Gbit/s || 300 meters |} </div> * Duplex: Full (one fiber each direction) * Noise immunity: not susceptible to [[Network_Plus_Certification/Management/Connectivity_Issues#Interference|electromagnetic interference]] {{clear}} ==[[wikipedia:Single-mode_optical_fiber|Single-mode fiber]]== [[Image:Singlemode fibre structure.svg|thumb|right|The structure of a typical single-mode fiber.<br /> 1. Core: 8 µm diameter<br /> 2. Cladding: 125 µm dia.<br /> 3. Buffer: 250 µm dia.<br /> 4. Jacket: 400 µm dia.]] In fiber-optic communication, a single-mode optical fiber (SMF) is an optical fiber designed to carry only a single ray of light (mode) over a great distance. Its core measures 8-10 microns and allows for less dispersion of light than multimode fiber. It requires the use of a laser in order to reach long distances at high speeds. * Transmission speed: up to 10 Gbit/s * Distance: 40 kilometers * Duplex: Full (one fiber each direction) * Noise immunity: not susceptible to [[Network_Plus_Certification/Management/Connectivity_Issues#Interference|electromagnetic interference]] {{clear}} ==[[wikipedia:Coaxial cable|Coaxial cable]]== [[File:RG-59.jpg|thumb|A section of RG-59 cable with its end stripped.<br />A: outer plastic sheath<br />B: copper braid shield<br />C: inner dielectric insulator<br />D: copper core]] ===[[wikipedia:RG-59|RG-59]]=== RG-59 is a specific type of coaxial cable, often used for low-power video signal connections. Its high-frequency losses are too great to allow its use over long distances; in these applications, RG-6 (see below) is used instead. RG-59 coaxial cable is commonly packed-in with consumer equipment, such as VCRs or digital cable/satellite receivers. Manufacturers tend to include only RG-59 cables because of its low cost (when compared to RG-6). However, given the short lengths provided (usually 4-6 feet / 1.2-1.8 m), this is generally sufficient for its typical use. ===[[wikipedia:RG-6|RG-6]]=== RG-6 is a common type of [[Network_Plus_Certification/Media_and_Topologies/Cables#Coaxial_cable|coaxial cable]] used in a wide variety of residential and commercial applications. The most commonly-recognized variety of RG-6 is cable television(CATV) distribution coax, used to route cable television signals to and within homes, and RG-6 type cables have become the standard for CATV, mostly replacing the smaller RG-59. {{clear}} ==[[wikipedia:Serial_cable|Serial cable]]== [[Image:Serial cable (blue).jpg|thumb|right|Serial Cables are typically used for RS-232 communication.]] A serial cable is a cable that can be used to transfer information between two devices using serial communication, often using the [[Network_Plus_Certification/Media_and_Topologies/Connectors#RS-232_.28Recommended_Standard_232.29|RS-232]] standard. Serial cables may use connectors with 9 or 25 pins, but other connectors are used. {{clear}} ==Plenum vs. Non-plenum== Plenum cable is cable that is laid in the plenum spaces of buildings. The plenum is the space that can facilitate air circulation for heating and air conditioning systems, by providing pathways for either heated/conditioned or return airflows. Space between the structural ceiling and the dropped ceiling or under a raised floor is typically considered plenum; however, some drop ceiling designs create a tight seal that does not allow for airflow and therefore may not be considered a plenum air-handling space. The plenum space is typically used to house the communication cables for the building's computer and telephone network. Cable which is to be run between floors in non-plenum areas is rated as riser cable. The fire requirements on riser cable are not as strict. 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When center is true, the cube is centered on the origin. Argument names are optional if given in the order shown here. through model will you understand me proper :''' parameters''': :100,100,100 :: '''size''' ::: single value, cube with all sides this length ::: 3 value array [x,y,z], rectangular prism with dimensions x, y and z. :: '''center''' ::: '''false''' (default), 1st (positive) octant, one corner at (0,0,0) ::: '''true''', cube is centered at (0,0,0) default values: cube(); yields: cube(size = [1, 1, 1], center = false); :''' examples''': [[File:OpenSCAD example Cube.jpg|150px]] equivalent scripts for this example cube(size = 18); cube(18); cube([18,18,18]); . cube(18,false); cube([18,18,18],false); cube([18,18,18],center=false); cube(size = [18,18,18], center = false); cube(center = false,size = [18,18,18] ); [[File:OpenSCAD example Box.jpg|150px]] equivalent scripts for this example cube([18,28,8],true); box=[18,28,8];cube(box,true); === sphere === ---- Creates a sphere at the origin of the coordinate system. The r argument name is optional. To use d instead of r, d must be named. '''Parameters''' ; r : Radius. This is the radius of the sphere. ; d : Diameter. This is the diameter of the sphere. The resolution of the sphere is based on the size of the sphere and the '''$fa''', '''$fs''' and '''$fn''' variables. For more information on these special variables see [[OpenSCAD_User_Manual/Other_Language_Features#circleres|Circle resolution: $fa, $fs, and $fn]]. default values: sphere(); yields: sphere($fn = 0, $fa = 12, $fs = 2, r = 1); '''Usage Examples''' sphere(r = 1); sphere(r = 5); sphere(r = 10); sphere(d = 2); sphere(d = 10); sphere(d = 20); // this creates a high resolution sphere with a 2mm radius sphere(2, $fn=100); // also creates a 2mm high resolution sphere but this one // does not have as many small triangles on the poles of the sphere sphere(2, $fa=5, $fs=0.1); [[File:OpenSCAD sphere in different sizes.png|Sample OpenSCAD spheres, showing clearly the difference in scale.]] === cylinder === ---- Creates a cylinder or cone centered about the z axis. When center is true, it is also centered vertically along the z axis. Parameter names are optional if given in the order shown here. If a parameter is named, all following parameters must also be named. cylinder(h = height, r1 = BottomRadius, r2 = TopRadius, center = true/false); NOTES: The 2nd & 3rd positional parameters are r1 & r2, if r, d, d1 or d2 are used they must be named. Using r1 & r2 or d1 & d2 with either value of zero will make a cone shape, a non-zero non-equal value will produce a section of a cone (a [[w:Frustum|Conical Frustum]]). r1 & d1 define the base width, at [0,0,0], and r2 & d2 define the top width. :'''Parameters''' :: '''h''' : height of the cylinder or cone :: '''r ''' : radius of cylinder. r1 = r2 = r. :: '''r1''' : radius, bottom of cone. :: '''r2''' : radius, top of cone. :: '''d ''' : diameter of cylinder. r1 = r2 = d / 2. {{requires|2014.03}} :: '''d1''' : diameter, bottom of cone. r1 = d1 / 2. {{requires|2014.03}} :: '''d2''' : diameter, top of cone. r2 = d2 / 2. {{requires|2014.03}} :: '''center''' ::: '''false''' (default), z ranges from 0 to h ::: '''true''', z ranges from -h/2 to +h/2 The resolution of a cylinder is based on its radius and the '''$fa''', '''$fs''' and '''$fn''' variables. For a cone, the resolution is based on the radius of the larger end. For more information on these special variables see [[OpenSCAD_User_Manual/Other_Language_Features#circleres|Circle resolution: $fa, $fs, and $fn]]. defaults: cylinder(); yields: cylinder($fn = 0, $fa = 12, $fs = 2, h = 1, r1 = 1, r2 = 1, center = false); [[File:OpenSCAD Cone 15x10x20.jpg|200px]] equivalent scripts cylinder(h=15, r1=9.5, r2=19.5, center=false); cylinder( 15, 9.5, 19.5, false); cylinder( 15, 9.5, 19.5); cylinder( 15, 9.5, d2=39 ); cylinder( 15, d1=19, d2=39 ); cylinder( 15, d1=19, r2=19.5); [[File:OpenSCAD Cone 15x10x0.jpg|200px]] equivalent scripts cylinder(h=15, r1=10, r2=0, center=true); cylinder( 15, 10, 0, true); cylinder(h=15, d1=20, d2=0, center=true); <gallery> image:OpenSCAD Cylinder 20x10 false.jpg|center = false File:OpenSCAD Cylinder 20x10 true.jpg|center = true </gallery> equivalent scripts cylinder(h=20, r=10, center=true); cylinder( 20, 10, 10,true); cylinder( 20, d=20, center=true); cylinder( 20,r1=10, d2=20, center=true); cylinder( 20,r1=10, d2=2*10, center=true); :'''use of $fn''' Larger values of $fn create smoother, more circular, surfaces at the cost of longer rendering time. Some use medium values during development for the faster rendering, then change to a larger value for the final F6 rendering. However, use of small values can produce some interesting non circular objects. A few examples are show here: <gallery> File:3 sided fiqure.jpg File:4 sided pyramid.jpg File:4 sided part pyramid.jpg </gallery> scripts for these examples cylinder(20,20,20,$fn=3); cylinder(20,20,00,$fn=4); cylinder(20,20,10,$fn=4); :'''undersized holes''' Using cylinder() with difference() to place holes in objects creates undersized holes. This is because circular paths are approximated with polygons inscribed within in a circle. The points of the polygon are on the circle, but straight lines between are inside. To have all of the hole larger than the true circle, the polygon must lie wholly outside of the circle (circumscribed). [[OpenSCAD User Manual/undersized circular objects|Modules for circumscribed holes]] <gallery> File:OpenSCAD Under size hole.jpg </gallery> script for this example poly_n = 6; color("blue") translate([0, 0, 0.02]) linear_extrude(0.1) circle(10, $fn=poly_n); color("green") translate([0, 0, 0.01]) linear_extrude(0.1) circle(10, $fn=360); color("purple") linear_extrude(0.1) circle(10/cos(180/poly_n), $fn=poly_n); In general, a polygon of radius <math>r</math> has a radius to the midpoint of any side as <math>r_m = r \cos(180/n)</math>. If only the midpoint radius <math>r_m</math> is known (for example, to fit a hex key into a hexagonal hole), then the polygon radius is <math>r = \frac{r_m}{\cos(180/n)}</math>. === polyhedron === ---- A polyhedron is the most general 3D primitive solid. It can be used to create any regular or irregular shape including those with concave as well as convex features. Curved surfaces are approximated by a series of flat surfaces. polyhedron( points = [ [X₀, Y₀, Z₀], [X₁, Y₁, Z₁], ... ], triangles = [ [P₀, P₁, P₂], ... ], convexity = N); // before 2014.03 polyhedron( points = [ [X₀, Y₀, Z₀], [X₁, Y₁, Z₁], ... ], faces = [ [P₀, P₁, P₂, P₃, ...], ...], convexity = N); // 2014.03 & later :'''Parameters''' :: '''points''' ::: Vector of 3d points or vertices. Each point is in turn a vector, [x,y,z], of its coordinates. ::: Points may be defined in any order. N points are referenced, in the order defined, as 0 to N-1. :: '''triangles''' {{OpenSCAD_User_Manual/Deprecated|triangles|'''faces''' parameter}} ::: Vector of faces that collectively enclose the solid. Each face is a vector containing the indices (0 based) of 3 points from the points vector. :: '''faces''' {{requires|2014.03}} ::: Vector of faces that collectively enclose the solid. Each face is a vector containing the indices (0 based) of 3 or more points from the points vector. ::: Faces may be defined in any order, but the points of each face must be ordered correctly (see below). Define enough faces to fully enclose the solid, with no overlap. ::: If points that describe a single face are not on the same plane, the face is automatically split into triangles as needed. :: '''convexity''' ::: Integer. The convexity parameter specifies the maximum number of faces a ray intersecting the object might penetrate. This parameter is needed only for correct display of the object in OpenCSG preview mode. It has no effect on the polyhedron rendering. For display problems, setting it to 10 should work fine for most cases. default values: polyhedron(); yields: polyhedron(points = undef, faces = undef, convexity = 1); In the list of faces, for each face it is arbitrary which point you start with, but the points of the face (referenced by the index into the list of points) must be ordered in '''clockwise''' direction when looking at each face from outside '''inward'''. The back is viewed from the back, the bottom from the bottom, etc. Another way to remember this ordering requirement is to use the '''left-hand rule'''. Using your left hand, stick your thumb up and curl your fingers as if giving the thumbs-up sign, point your thumb away from the face, and order the points in the direction your fingers curl (this is the opposite of the [[w:STL (file format)#Facet normal|STL file format]] convention, which uses a "right-hand rule"). Try this on the example below. :'''Example 1''' Using polyhedron to generate cube( [ 10, 7, 5 ] ); [[File:Cube_numbers.jpg|frame|left|point numbers for cube]] [[File:Cube_flat.jpg|frame|center|unfolded cube faces]] <br> CubePoints = [ [ 0, 0, 0 ], //0 [ 10, 0, 0 ], //1 [ 10, 7, 0 ], //2 [ 0, 7, 0 ], //3 [ 0, 0, 5 ], //4 [ 10, 0, 5 ], //5 [ 10, 7, 5 ], //6 [ 0, 7, 5 ]]; //7 CubeFaces = [ [0,1,2,3], // bottom [4,5,1,0], // front [7,6,5,4], // top [5,6,2,1], // right [6,7,3,2], // back [7,4,0,3]]; // left polyhedron( CubePoints, CubeFaces ); equivalent descriptions of the bottom face [0,1,2,3], [0,1,2,3,0], [1,2,3,0], [2,3,0,1], [3,0,1,2], [0,1,2],[2,3,0], // 2 triangles with no overlap [1,2,3],[3,0,1], [1,2,3],[0,1,3], :'''Example 2''' A square base pyramid: [[File:Openscad-polyhedron-squarebasepyramid.png|frame|none|A simple polyhedron, square base pyramid]] polyhedron( points=[ [10,10,0],[10,-10,0],[-10,-10,0],[-10,10,0], // the four points at base [0,0,10] ], // the apex point faces=[ [0,1,4],[1,2,4],[2,3,4],[3,0,4], // each triangle side [1,0,3],[2,1,3] ] // two triangles for square base ); :'''Example 3''' A triangular prism: [[File:OpenSCAD prism unfolded.png|none|thumb|600x600px|A polyhedron triangular prism; prism unfolded to show external faces]] module prism(l, w, h) { polyhedron(// pt 0 1 2 3 4 5 points=[[0,0,0], [0,w,h], [l,w,h], [l,0,0], [0,w,0], [l,w,0]], // top sloping face (A) faces=[[0,1,2,3], // vertical rectangular face (B) [2,1,4,5], // bottom face (C) [0,3,5,4], // rear triangular face (D) [0,4,1], // front triangular face (E) [3,2,5]] );}<br>prism(10, 10, 5); ==== Debugging polyhedra ==== ---- Mistakes in defining polyhedra include not having all faces in clockwise order (viewed from outside - a bottom need to be viewed from below), overlap of faces and missing faces or portions of faces. As a general rule, the polyhedron faces should also satisfy manifold conditions: * exactly two faces should meet at any polyhedron edge. * if two faces have a vertex in common, they should be in the same cycle face-edge around the vertex. The first rule eliminates polyhedra like two cubes with a common edge and not watertight models; the second excludes polyhedra like two cubes with a common vertex. When viewed from the outside, the points describing each face must be in the same clockwise order, and provides a mechanism for detecting counterclockwise. When the thrown together view (F12) is used with F5, CCW faces are shown in pink. Reorder the points for incorrect faces. Rotate the object to view all faces. The pink view can be turned off with F10. OpenSCAD allows, temporarily, commenting out part of the face descriptions so that only the remaining faces are displayed. Use // to comment out the rest of the line. Use /* and */ to start and end a comment block. This can be part of a line or extend over several lines. Viewing only part of the faces can be helpful in determining the right points for an individual face. Note that a solid is not shown, only the faces. If using F12, all faces have one pink side. Commenting some faces helps also to show any internal face. [[File:Cube_2_face.jpg|frame|left|example 1 showing only 2 faces]] CubeFaces = [ /* [0,1,2,3], // bottom [4,5,1,0], // front */ [7,6,5,4], // top /* [5,6,2,1], // right [6,7,3,2], // back */ [7,4,0,3]]; // left <br clear="all"> After defining a polyhedron, its preview may seem correct. The polyhedron alone may even render fine. However, to be sure it is a valid manifold and that it can generate a valid STL file, union it with any cube and render it (F6). If the polyhedron disappears, it means that it is not correct. Revise the winding order of all faces and the two rules stated above. ==== Mis-ordered faces ==== ---- :'''Example 4''' a more complex polyhedron with mis-ordered faces When you select 'Thrown together' from the view menu and '''compile (preview F5)''' the design ('''not''' compile and render!) the preview shows the mis-oriented polygons highlighted. Unfortunately this highlighting is not possible in the OpenCSG preview mode because it would interfere with the way the OpenCSG preview mode is implemented.) Below you can see the code and the picture of such a problematic polyhedron, the bad polygons (faces or compositions of faces) are in pink. <syntaxhighlight lang="java"> // Bad polyhedron polyhedron (points = [ [0, -10, 60], [0, 10, 60], [0, 10, 0], [0, -10, 0], [60, -10, 60], [60, 10, 60], [10, -10, 50], [10, 10, 50], [10, 10, 30], [10, -10, 30], [30, -10, 50], [30, 10, 50] ], faces = [ [0,2,3], [0,1,2], [0,4,5], [0,5,1], [5,4,2], [2,4,3], [6,8,9], [6,7,8], [6,10,11], [6,11,7], [10,8,11], [10,9,8], [0,3,9], [9,0,6], [10,6, 0], [0,4,10], [3,9,10], [3,10,4], [1,7,11], [1,11,5], [1,7,8], [1,8,2], [2,8,11], [2,11,5] ] ); </syntaxhighlight> [[image:openscad-bad-polyhedron.png|frame|none|Polyhedron with badly oriented polygons]] A correct polyhedron would be the following: <syntaxhighlight lang="java"> polyhedron (points = [ [0, -10, 60], [0, 10, 60], [0, 10, 0], [0, -10, 0], [60, -10, 60], [60, 10, 60], [10, -10, 50], [10, 10, 50], [10, 10, 30], [10, -10, 30], [30, -10, 50], [30, 10, 50] ], faces = [ [0,3,2], [0,2,1], [4,0,5], [5,0,1], [5,2,4], [4,2,3], [6,8,9], [6,7,8], [6,10,11],[6,11,7], [10,8,11], [10,9,8], [3,0,9], [9,0,6], [10,6, 0],[0,4,10], [3,9,10], [3,10,4], [1,7,11], [1,11,5], [1,8,7], [2,8,1], [8,2,11], [5,11,2] ] ); </syntaxhighlight> ;Beginner's tip If you don't really understand "orientation", try to identify the mis-oriented pink faces and then invert the sequence of the references to the points vectors until you get it right. E.g. in the above example, the third triangle (''[0,4,5]'') was wrong and we fixed it as ''[4,0,5]''. Remember that a face list is a circular list. In addition, you may select "Show Edges" from the "View Menu", print a screen capture and number both the points and the faces. In our example, the points are annotated in black and the faces in blue. Turn the object around and make a second copy from the back if needed. This way you can keep track. ;“Clockwise” technique Orientation is determined by clockwise circular indexing. This means that if you're looking at the triangle (in this case [4,0,5]) from the outside you'll see that the path is clockwise around the center of the face. The winding order [4,0,5] is clockwise and therefore good. The winding order [0,4,5] is counter-clockwise and therefore bad. Likewise, any other clockwise order of [4,0,5] works: [5,4,0] & [0,5,4] are good too. If you use the clockwise technique, you'll always have your faces outside (outside of OpenSCAD, other programs do use counter-clockwise as the outside though). Think of it as a "left hand rule": If you place your left hand on the face with your fingers curled in the direction of the order of the points, your thumb should point outward. If your thumb points inward, you need to reverse the winding order. [[image:openscad-bad-polyhedron-annotated.png|frame|none|Polyhedron with badly oriented polygons]] Succinct description of a 'Polyhedron' * Points define all of the points/vertices in the shape. * Faces is a list of polygons that connect up the points/vertices. Each point, in the point list, is defined with a 3-tuple x,y,z position specification. Points in the point list are automatically enumerated starting from zero for use in the faces list (0,1,2,3,... etc). Each face, in the faces list, is defined by selecting 3 or more of the points (using the point order number) out of the point list. e.g. faces=[ [0,1,2] ] defines a triangle from the first point (points are zero referenced) to the second point and then to the third point. When looking at any face from the outside, the face must list all points in a clockwise order. ==== Point repetitions in a polyhedron point list ==== The point list of the polyhedron definition may have repetitions. When two or more points have the same coordinates they are considered the same polyhedron vertex. So, the following polyhedron: <syntaxhighlight lang="javascript"> points = [[ 0, 0, 0], [10, 0, 0], [ 0,10, 0], [ 0, 0, 0], [10, 0, 0], [ 0,10, 0], [ 0,10, 0], [10, 0, 0], [ 0, 0,10], [ 0, 0, 0], [ 0, 0,10], [10, 0, 0], [ 0, 0, 0], [ 0,10, 0], [ 0, 0,10]]; polyhedron(points, [[0,1,2], [3,4,5], [6,7,8], [9,10,11], [12,13,14]]); </syntaxhighlight> define the same tetrahedron as: <syntaxhighlight lang="javascript"> points = [[0,0,0], [0,10,0], [10,0,0], [0,0,10]]; polyhedron(points, [[0,2,1], [0,1,3], [1,2,3], [0,3,2]]); </syntaxhighlight> {{BookCat}} toeb6sx36gk57plc51ion3wmxjgahql 0 237398 4671603 4670441 2026-09-21T13:50:12Z Jeff1138 301139 4671603 wikitext text/x-wiki {{ArosNav}} ==Introduction== This a list of computer hardware tested with mostly native AROS installs and, in the recommended sections, of virtual machines With 64bit support it is recommended 8Gb ram is needed and that SSE 4.1 and AVX are supported in the CPU i.e. from year 2012 for Intel CPUs and 2013 for AMD CPUs. They are x86-64 instruction sets designed to perform the same operations on multiple data items simultaneously, a technique known as Single Instruction, Multiple Data (SIMD). This allows for increased performance in tasks involving parallel computation. SSE 4.1 is a 128-bit SIMD instruction set, while AVX introduced 256-bit SIMD, further enhancing performance. Some apps require these features to run well, like 3D, multimedia decoding or JIT (javascript) in Odyssey web browser. If not the apps may work slower or might fail. If you have encountered differently (i.e. problems, incompatibilities, faults, annoyances, environment, errors, review of setup etc) please update this information. Please bear in mind that AROS has only a few hardware driver developers, whilst Linux counts in the tens and Windows in the hundreds. [[#Laptops]] [[#Netbook]] [[#Desktop Systems]] [[#AMD Sockets]] [[#Intel Sockets]] [[#Recommended hardware (32-bit)]] [[#Recommended hardware (64-bit)]] === Laptops === [[#top|...to the top]] * 2006/2007 Dell Latitude D-series laptops - business class machines, good support in Aros, easy to replace wifi card * 2006 some [https://www.techradar.com/reviews/pc-mac/laptops-portable-pcs/laptops-and-netbooks/toshiba-satellite-pro-a200-28550/review Satellite Pro A200] * 2008 For the tiny carry anywhere, the early run of Acer Aspire netbooks Rough estimate from taking a random laptop notebook what you can expect from a Native install of AROS {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Date ! width="5%" |Overall ! width="5%" |Gfx VESA ! width="5%" |Gfx 2D Acceleration ! width="10%" |Gfx 3D Acceleration ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="20%" |Comments |- | Before 2002 || Poor to OK || VESA 90% || 2D 10% || {{N/A}} || Audio 10% || 40% || Wired 70% || 2% || Max RAM 512MB |- | 2002-2005 || OK || VESA 95% || 2D 10% || 3D 0% || Audio 30% || 70% || Wired 50% || 10% || Max RAM 2GB (for 32bit) |- | 2005-2012 || Good || VESA 98% || 2D 60% || 3D 30% || Audio 40% || 80% || Wired 30% || 10% || Max RAM 3Gb (32bit) to 8GB (64bit) |- | 2013-2017 || OK || VESA 98% || 2D 60% || 3D 30% || Audio 30% || 60% || Wired 30% Realtek || 0% || Max RAM 8GB / 16GB better to go Intel / AMD Ryzen over AMD A series |- | 2018-2024 || OK || VESA 98% || 2D 30% || 3D 30% || Audio 40% || 50% || Wired 30% Realtek || 0% || Max RAM 32GB better 64bit options |- | 2025-202x || Poor || VESA 95% || 2D 10% || 3D 10% || Audio 0% || 30% || Wired 10% || 0% || Max RAM 64GB AI disruption of previous hardware |- |} 3D tests now conducted with apps found in Demos/AROS/Mesa and run at default size (may need to View As -> Show All to see them. Any laptop with Windows 7(TM) 64bit or higher install, the bios and hard drive set in uefi/gpt mode (install of AROS incompatible) Most vendor suppliers get OEM (original equipment manufacturers) to make their laptops. These brand name companies purchase their laptops from *80% ODM (Original Design Manufacturer) such as Quanta, Compal, Wistron, Inventec, Foxconn (Hon Hai), Flextronics and Asus (now Pegatron) *20% MiTAC, FIC, Arima, Uniwill, ECS, Tonfang Origin and Clevo {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" | <!--OK-->{{Yes|'''Works well'''}} || <!--May work-->{{Maybe|'''Works a little'''}} || <!--Not working-->{{No|'''Does not work'''}} || <!--Not applicable-->{{N/A|'''N/A not applicable'''}} |- |} ====Acer/Gateway/Emachines==== Company founded under the name of Multitech in Taiwan in 1976, renamed to Acer or Acer Group in 1987 Order of build quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > Packard Bell Aspire Extensa TimeLine Travelmate </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="2%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Travelmate 505 506 507 508 Series || <!--Chipset-->P2 Celeron 466Mhz || <!--IDE-->{{Yes|boots}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Neo Magic Magic Graph 128XD (NM2160)}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 Crystal CS}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1998 minimal support but no audio etc - 506T, 506DX, 507T, 507DX, 508T |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 340 342 343 345 347 || <!--Chipset-->ALi M1621 with piii || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Trident Cyber 9525 || <!--Audio-->{{No|ESS ES1969 Solo-1}} || <!--USB-->2 ALi OHCI USB 1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->a few have Intel e100 || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2000 32bit - 340T, 341T, 342T, 342TV, 343TV, 345T, 347TV |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 350 351 352 353 || <!--Chipset-->Ali with piii || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->Trident Cyber Blade DSTN/Ai1 || <!--Audio-->{{No|ali5451}} || <!--USB-->2 USB 1.1 Ali M5237 OHCI || <!--Ethernet-->e100 || <!--Wireless-->Acer InviLink IEEE 802.11b || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2001 32bit very limited support but no support for PCMCIA O2 Micro OZ6933 - 350T, 351TEV, 352TEV, 353TEV |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 610 series 611 612 613 614 || <!--Chipset-->815 P3 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->Intel 82815 cgc || <!--Audio-->AC97 || <!--USB-->USB 1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->Intel e100 pro || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2001 32bit - 610TXVi 610T 611TXV 612TX 613TXC |- | Aspire 3003LM || SIS AMD 3000 1.8GHz || {{yes}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SIS AGP M760GX (VESA only)}} || {{yes|AC97 SIS codec}} || 3 USB 2.0 || {{yes|SIS900}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4318 AirForce One 54g}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2003 sempron |- | Travelmate 2310 Series ZL6 || Intel Celeron M 360 1.4GHz with SiS 661MX || {{yes}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SiS Mirage M661MX (VESA only)}} || {{yes|SIS SI7012 AC97 with realtek ALC203 codec speakers only}} || || {{yes|SIS900}} || {{N/A|LM version has pci card slot but no antenna}} || 2017 Icaros 2.1.1 || 2004 32bit - No USB boot option but boot from DVD - reports of wifi losing connection (isolate/remove the metallic grounding foil ends of the antennas) - 2312LM_L - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 3000 3002LMi 3500 5000 || <!--Chipset-->AMD CPU W-with SIS M760 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->SIS 760 || <!--Audio-->SIS || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->SIS 900 || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4318 swap for Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 3050 5020 5050 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Single and Turion MK-36 Dual and RS480 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA - RS482M Xpress 1100 or RS485M Xpress 1150 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio Realtek ALC883 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->8139 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5006G or Broadcom BCM 4318 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit MK36 gets very hot |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 2410 2420 2430 series || <!--Chipset-->915GM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel Mobile 915GMS 910GML || <!--Audio-->Intel AC97 ICH6 with ALC203 codec || <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL-8139 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5005GS || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 2428AWXMi - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire 3610 - WISTRON MORAR 3614WLMI || <!--Chipset-->Intel 915 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 2D and 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|[http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=644066&postcount=13 AC97]}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL 8139 8139C+}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Atheros AR5001X+, AR5BMB5 or Broadcom 4318}} || <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.2.4 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit with good support [http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6205188#post6205188 wifi issues] |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 2480 series 2483 WXMi (HannStar J MV4 94V) 2483NWXCi Aspire 3680, 3690 || <!--Chipset-->940GML i943 with Celeron 430 1.77GHz - 14.1" || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D and 3D openGL 1.x - Tunnel 181 gearbox 104 scores}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with ALC883 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|3 USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8038 yukon sky2}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros 5k AR5005G AR5BMB5 mini pci}} suspect laptop hardware issues || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2006 Works well shame about the internet options - noisy fan - poor battery life - no boot option for TI based mass storage sd card - Max 2GB memory - LCD Inverter Board IV12090/T-LF - |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 2490 series 2492WXMi || <!--Chipset-->940GML || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel 945 2D and 3D tunnel 164 gearbox 105}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom BCM4401}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros AR5005GS suspect hardware issue}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit - 15inch screen - strange curved up at ends keyboard style - overall plastic construction - Atheros AR5005G(s) - |- | <!--Name-->Gateway ML6227B MA7 || <!--Chipset-->Celeron M 520 1.6Ghz with 945GM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|945GM 2D and 3D tunnel 169 gearbox 132}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDA Intel with STAC9250 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8038}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|8187L but swap ath5k mini pcie}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2006 15.4 ultrabrite widescreen - Wifi Switch on side Fn/F2 - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire 5630-6796 6288 BL50 || <!--Chipset-->T5200 T5500 Intel® Core™2 Duo T7200 T7400 T7600 || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel® GMA 950 with S-Video out with 2D and 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio with ALC883? codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|4 USB}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Broadcom BCM4401}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945abg swap for Atheros 5K}} || <!--Test Distro-->Tiny AROS || <!--Comments-->2006 - 64bit 39.1 cm (15.4" 1280 x 800) - 2 DDR2-SDRAM slots max 4GB - green mobo?? - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire 5633WMLI BL51 || <!--Chipset-->T5500 with Intel® 945PM/GM Express || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Nvidia Go 7300 with 2D and 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with Realtek codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Broadcom 440x}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 swap for Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->Tiny Aros || <!--Comments-->2007 64 bit dual core2 - 15.4 WXGA screen - ddr2 max 4gb - OrbiCam no support - ENE chipset SD card - blue mobo?? - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire 9410 9420 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core Duo with 945PM Express || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D NVIDIA GeForce Go 7300 - 128 MB VRAM G72M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Intel HD audio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 8111 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945ABG but could swap with atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 || <!--Comments-->2007 32bit - 17in TFT 1,440 x 900 WXGA+ - 2 ddr2 sodimm slots max 4gb - |- | <!--Name-->eMachines E510 series KAL10 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Celeron M 560 2.13Ghz with PM965 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel x3100 || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Intel with codec}} || <!--USB-->Intel || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5906M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros G AR5BXB63 bios issue??}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2007 32bit very budget machine with InsydeH20 bios and F10 boot menu |- | <!--Name-->ACER Aspire 5920 [http://tim.id.au/laptops/acer/aspire%205920g.pdf 5920G] || <!--Chipset-->Santa Rosa Core 2 Duo T7300 T7500 later T9300 with GM965 and PM965(G) Express || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA for X3100M or 8600M GS (rev a1) 9500M GT 256MB vram (G) but some AMD/ATI RV635 M86 HD 3650}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio with realtek alc268, [https://forums.opensuse.org/t/no-sound-on-acer-aspire-5920g/32392 ALC883] or Realtek ALC1200 / alc888s codec ICH8}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB2 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5787M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Intel 3945ABG 4965 or Atheros 9k AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwood test iso 2023-01 2023-11 || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit boot with 'noacpi' or 'noioapic' - 15.4in 1280 x 800 pixels 16:10 - BMW Designworks ‘Gemstone’ design - over 3.0kg with options for 8-cell or 6-cell batteries - 2 SODIMM DDR2 667MT/s max 4GB - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->Acer A0521 Ao721 || Athlon II Neo K125 + AMD M880G || {{N/A}} || {{maybe| }} || {{maybe|ATI Radeon HD 4225 (VESA only)}} || {{No|Conexant}} || {{Maybe| }} || {{no|AR8152 l1c}} || {{unk|AR9285 ath9k}} || AspireOS 1.7 || 2006 64bit possible |- | <!--Name--> Extensa 5630Z || <!--Chipset-->T6600 with Intel GL40 Express || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx--> {{Yes|Intel GMA 4500M HD (2D)}} || <!--Audio--> {{Yes|HD Audio}} || <!--USB--> {{Yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet--> {{No|Broadcom BCM 5764M}} || <!--Wireless--> {{No|RaLink RT2860}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit |- |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 5250 series 5253 BZ400 BZ602 || <!--Chipset-->E350 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{no|VESA 2D for AMD HD6310}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDaudio for codec Conexant CX20584}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Atheros AR8151}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Atheros 9k AR5B97}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire V5 V5-121 V5121 AO725 One 725 || <!--Chipset-->AMD C-70 C70 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{no|VESA for AMD 6290G}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|Realtek ALC269 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|2 x USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire V5-122P MS2377 || <!--Chipset-->C-70 C70 with M55, AMD A4-1250 or A6 1450 up to 1.4Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->AMD 8210 || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|FCH USB EHCI OHCI}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|rtl8169 but LAN/VGA Combo Port Cable (AK.LAVGCA 001) or MiniCP port to Acer Converter Cable (Mini CP to VGA/LAN/USB) (NP.OTH11 00C) needed}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros 9k AR9565}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aros One || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit but no sse4 or avx - 26w battery internal, extension possible - 11.6in 1366 x 768 ips touchscreen - 7mm hd ssd - 2gb ddr3l soldered with 1 slot free max 4GB - bios hacking needed for virtualisation - |- | <!--Name-->Packard Bell EasyNote TE69 TE69KB 522 || <!--Chipset-->slow E1-2500, E2-3800 2c2t Dual or A4-5000 4c4t Quad both soldered BGA769 (FT3) on Hudson-2 FCH || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|Use IDE mode}} setting AHCI to IDE mode - boots if UEFI set to Legacy || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for ATI Radeon 8120 8240, 8320, 8330 or 8280 islands}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio with ALC282 0x10ec, 0x0282 codec but not HDMI}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|Bios, Boot, set Boot mode to Legacy, nothing from USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros AR8171 AR8175 or Broadcom BCM57780}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9565 0x1969 0x10a1}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aspire OS Xenon and AROS One 1.6 usb || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit with sse4.1 and AVX - 15.6in washed out screen big netbook - Boots with noacpi after using F2 to enter EFI firmware and f12 boot device - 2 ddr3 sodimm slots max 16Gb - |- | <!--Name-->ASPIRE Acer Aspire ES1-520 521 522 Series N15C4 ES1-523 || <!--Chipset-->AMD AMD E1-7010, A8-7410 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|VESA for RADEON R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|Realtek ALC 233 or CX20752 HD AUDIO CODEC}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Atheros AR8151 Gigabit or Broadcom 590x}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek RTL8187 or 8812BU}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aros One || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit with sse4.1 and AVX - 2 ddr3l slots - keyboard connected to top case - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire V15 NITRO Black edition || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GTX 860M || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Predator 15 (G9-591-) (G9-593-72VT) || <!--Chipset-->Intel i7-6700HQ || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->GTX 960M to 980M, GTX 1060 || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek ALC255 @ Intel Sunrise Point PCH High Definition Audio Controller}} || <!--USB-->USB3 || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Nitro 5 an515-42 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 2500u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD rx560x || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->aspire 3 A315-41 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 2500u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD Vega || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->swift 3 sf315-41 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 2500u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD Vega || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire 3 A315-23 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3020e, r3 3200u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 3, 5 A515-44-R0ZN || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 4500u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with ALC codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 14in or 15.6" 1080p - 19v round charging - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr0tC3QJWxk repair], 4gb soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - |- | <!--Name-->Swift 3 SF314-42 series N19C4 , Swift SF315-4 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 5 4500U, 7 4700U|| <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit 1080p - small round ac 19v 3.42A or usb-c - mobo FH4FR LA-J731P - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Swift 3 SF314-43, Swift SF315-41 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 7 5700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit 1080p - small round ac or usb-c - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 5 A515-45 || <!--Chipset-->r7 5700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 15.6in 1080p - asus round ac - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 5 A515-47 || <!--Chipset-->ryzen 5 5625U, || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 15.6in 1080p - asus round ac - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Asus==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Asus L8400-K Medion MD9467 || <!--Chipset-->Intel desktop 850MHz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->S3 Savage MX || <!--Audio-->{{No|ESS allegro 1988}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2001 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Asus L2000 L2400 L2D Series Medion 9675 || <!--Chipset-->Athlon 4 mobile || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use vesa sis630 || <!--Audio-->{{No|sis7018}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->sis900 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->x51R X51RL || <!--Chipset-->Duo T2250 T2330 with RS480 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA RC410 [Radeon Xpress 200M]}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|boots and detects}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL-8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros AR5006EG AR5111 ath5k AzureWave AW-GE780 - could be ATI Chipset}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.2, deadwood 2021, || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit 15.4 WXGA - 19v barrel - ESC boot select - F2 bios - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Asus R2H Ultra Mobile PC UMPC || <!--Chipset-->Celeron 900Mhz 910GML || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA900 || <!--Audio-->Ac97 ALC880 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8169 8101e || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm4fOrqyj3g boots] |- | <!--Name-->Asus A3 series A3F Ergo Ensis 211 RM || <!--Chipset-->P-M 1.6GHz to Core Duo with 950 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 945 || <!--Audio-->Ac97 ALC655 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8100CL 10/100 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit only |- | <!--Name-->Z33 || <!--Chipset-->915 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->915GM || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC880 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Intel 2915ABG || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit Z33A Z33AE N5M N5A |- | Z70A Z70V Z70Va M6A z7000 z7000a || i915 + ICH6 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|mobile 915GML}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|ICH6 HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Marvell 88E8001}} || {{no|Intel PRO 2200BG Fn / F2}} || Icaros 1.3 || 2005 32bit |- | [http://www.progweb.com/en/2010/09/linux-sur-un-portable-asus-a6jm/ A6jm] A6JC || 945GM || IDE || SATA || {{yes|nVidia GeForce Go 7600 G70}} || {{no|HD Audio}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|RTL8111 8168B}} || {{no|Intel 3945 ABG}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2006 32bit only |- | <!--Name-->F3Jc || <!--Chipset-->945PM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->G72M Quadro NVS 110M, GeForce Go 7300 || <!--Audio-->D audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8169 8111 || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->X50GL F5GL || <!--Chipset-->T5800 with 965 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA 2d - Nvidia 8200M G84 runs hot}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio MCP79 with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|MCP79}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros AR5B91 AW-NE77}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.2 || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit not much support no display with nouveau - 19v barrel - ddr2 max 4gb - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS G50 & G51 series G50V G50Vt G51V G51VX G51J G51Jx G50VT X1 X5 ROG || <!--Chipset-->AMD64 with MCP71 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes}} || <!--Gfx-->nVidia GeForce 9800M GS (G94M) up to GT200 [GeForce GTX 260M] (G92M) || <!--Audio-->Nvidia HD Audio with codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros L1C atl1c}} || <!--Wireless-->Atheros G or Intel || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit not all GPUs are failing but a much higher % failing early, 8x00 and 9x00 G84, G86, G92, G94, and G96 series chips dying - ddr2 max 4gb - |- | <!--Name-->M50V M50 series || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core 2 Duo P8400 or T9400 with Intel PM45 ICH9 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|BIOS set to compatibility IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA GeForce 9600M GS or 9650M GT || <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC663 || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 realtek 8169 8111C}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Intel 5100 or Atheros AR928X}}|| <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 2.0 USB || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - 15.40 inch 16:10, 1680 x 1050 glossy - the "Infusion" design - heavy 3kg - ddr2 ram max 4gb - |- | <!--Name-->Series F9 F9E F9dc F9f F9j F9s || <!--Chipset-->965GM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio ALC660 playback}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|works}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|intel 3495 not working}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.41 || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - ddr2 max 4gb - |- | P52F SO006X || i3-370M || IDE || SATA || {{yes|nVidia G92 [GeForce 9800 GT] (2D)}} || {{no|Intel HD Audio}} || {{yes|2 USB2.0}} || {{no|Atheros AR8121 AR8113 AR8114 (l1e)}} || {{dunno}} || Icaros 1.3 || 2010 64bit - ddr3 slot - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Asus * X53U MB Ver K53U or K52U Asus K53U MB Ver K53U * A53U XT2 X53B MB ver: K53BY (compal) || <!--Chipset-->Slow atom like speed E-350 (2011), E-450 (2011) on AMD M780G, much slower C-50 C50 (2012), C-60 C60 on the AMD A50M dark brown plastic build || <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|Set IN Bios IDE MODE}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA ATi 6310M, 6320M later 6250M or 6290M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with alc269 codec Altec Lansing® Speakers}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|3 x USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Unk|rtl8169 with RTL8111 phy}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros half height ar9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.2 and 2018 AROS One 1.6 USB || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 15.6in 1368 x 768 dull 50% srgb screen - f2 bios setup, esc boot drive - 5200 or 7800 mAh battery covers ASUS K53S K53E X54C X53S K84L X53SV X54HR K53F X53U laptops - 2 DDR3L slots max 8Gb - 19v barrel 5.5 / 2.5 mm - |- | <!--Name-->Asus K53T, Asus A53Z X53Z || <!--Chipset-->AMD A4-3305M on AMD M780G, A6-3420M dark brown plastic build || <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|Set IN Bios IDE MODE}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD 6520G, 7670M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|3 x USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 with RTL8111 phy}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros half height}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One USB || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 15.6in 1368 x 768 dull 50% srgb screen - f2 bios setup, esc boot drive - 2 DDR3L slots max 8Gb - 19v barrel 5.5 / 2.5 mm - Altec Lansing® Speakers - |- | <!--Name-->X55U X401U X501U 1225B || <!--Chipset-->slow C-60 C60, C-70 C70 or E1 1200 E2 1800 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->6290G || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111 8169 || <!--Wireless-->{{unk| Atheros AR9485}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 11.6" display - ram soldered - |- | <!--Name-->Asus A43TA A53TA K53TA XE2 A73T || <!--Chipset-->AMD A4-3300M, A6 3400M (laptop chip) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|Set IN Bios IDE MODE}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA AMD Radeon HD 6520G Integrated + HD 6470M (1GB GDDR3)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Unk|}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - f2 bios setup, esc boot drive - |- | <!--Name-->X102BA || <!--Chipset-->Llano E1 1200 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|ide bios setting}} || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 8180 || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->RTL8101E RTL8102E || <!--Wireless-->{{unk| Qualcomm Atheros AR9485}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 10.1” Touchscreen - special asus 45w ac adapter - |- | <!--Name-->K55N, K75DE || <!--Chipset-->AMD a6 4400M A8 4500M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->AMD 7640G || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC codec none through ATi Trinity HDMI || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 || <!--Wireless-->{{unk| Atheros AR9485}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 17.3-inch - |- | <!--Name-->X452EA X552EA F552E || <!--Chipset-->AMD E1 2100 or A4 5000M A8 4500M A10 4600M with A || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA for AMD ATI Sun XT Radeon HD 8330 8670A 8670M 8690M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AMD FCH Azalia rev 02 with ALC898 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{{Yes|Realtek RTL8111 8168 8411}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9485}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1 || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit may support avx kabini trinity - |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG G751GY || <!--Chipset-->Intel i7-4720HQ || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->GTX 980M || <!--Audio-->HDAudio || <!--USB-->USB3 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG G752VY || <!--Chipset-->Intel i7-6700HQ || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->GTX 980M || <!--Audio-->HDAudio || <!--USB-->USB3 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Asus X555Y || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-7210 A8-7410 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2.5" and mSATA form factors using SATA Rev 3.0 interface }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|rtl8169 Realtek}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }}Realtek || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 4gb soldered with 1 ddr3 slot - silver-colored plastic - internal battery - |- | <!--Name-->Asus X555B X555DG X555S X555U X555YI X555LAB || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core i5-4210U to || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2.5" and mSATA form factors using SATA Rev 3.0 interface }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Intel}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with coxenant and realtek alc codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }}Realtek || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 4gb soldered with 1 ddr3 slot - silver-colored plastic - internal battery - |- | <!--Name-->Asus X555D || <!--Chipset-->AMD A10-8700P || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{unk|2.5" and mSATA form factors using SATA Rev 3.0 interface }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD R6}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 15.6in 1366 x 768 - 4gb soldered with 1 ddr3 slot - silver-coloured plastic - internal battery - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS X555Q || <!--Chipset-->AMD® Bristol Ridge A10-9600P 7th Gen, A12-9720p || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2.5" and mSATA form factors using SATA Rev 3.0 interface}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|R5 + Radeon™ R6 M435DX Dual Graphics with VRAM GCN 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek 8821AE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit - FHD 15.6 1920x1080 - 37W battery internal - 4gb soldered with 1 ddr3 slot - internal battery - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS M509ba || <!--Chipset-->AMD A9-9425 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2.5" and mSATA form factors using SATA Rev 3.0 interface}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for RADEON R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 15.6in 1366 x 768 - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot max 16Gb - 19VDC 2.37A Max 45W 4.0mm x 1.35mm - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->ExpertBook P1410, ASUS ExpertBook P1 P1510CD, Expertbook Y1511CD || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 3200U, Ryzen 5 3500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->Nvme || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for AMD}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit 14in or 15.6in 768p to 1080p - keyboard swap problematic - 19V 3.42A asus barrel connector 4.0MM X 1.35MM 4phi - |- | <!--Name-->ASUSTeK ASUS EXPERTBOOK L1 L1400CDA, L1500CDA - 19v 3.42a 4.5phi Barrel with centre pin Outer 4.5mm Inner 3mm asus special untested EXA1203XH, EXA1203YH, EXA1208UH, PA-1650-30, PA-1650-78, PA-1650-93, ADP-65GD B, ADP-65DW B (Euro) || <!--Chipset-->'''tested''' Ryzen 5 3500U - '''untested''' Ryzen 3 3200U, 3250U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|1 Nvme m.2 slot will not boot with sata3 m.2, optional 1 sata hdd with ribbon cable, no dvd drive}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for AMD vega 3, 8}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio 0x15de 0x15e3 with ALC256 codec 0x10ec 0x0256}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 1 usb-c and 3 usb-a }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111HSH-CG }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro-->3500U with AROS One 64bit 1.2 usb installed to m.2 sata on another machine || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit 14in or 15.6in 1080p - keyboard swap problematic - up to 8Gb ddr4 sodimm soldered on board and 1 slot - micro sd card slot on some models - 42Whr B31N1915 C31N1915 C31N2204 - hold down F2 and press power for bios setup - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ==== Dell ==== [[#top|...to the top]] Order of build quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > Studio Inspiron Vostro XPS Alienware Precision Latitude </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="10%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Latitude CP 233GT, CPi d233xt d266xt D300XT a366xt, CPt S400GT S500GT S550GT S600GT S700ST, CPt C333GT C400GT || <!--Chipset-->Neo Magic || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA - Neo magic Magic Media 2160 2360 256ZX || <!--Audio-->{{No|crystal pnp 4237b or magic media 256zx sound nm2360}} || <!--USB-->USB 1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit Low-Density 16-chip 144p 144-pin 32Mx64 3.3V SODIMM - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Latitude CPx H450GT H500GT H Series, CPt V433GT V466GT V600, Inspiron 5000 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 440BX with Pentium 3M (CPx) or Celeron (CPt) || <!--IDE-->{{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use Vesa - ATi Rage Pro Mobility M1}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|ESS ES1978 Maestro 2E Canyon 3D}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|1 slot 1.1 only}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Test Distro-->NB May 2013 || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit - 3 pin PA-6 PA6 power adapter plug - CDROM DVD Cxxx family media bay accessories untested |- | <!--Name-->Latitude C500 C600 (Quanta TM6) Inspiron 4000 7500, CPx J Series || <!--Chipset-->440BX ZX/DX || <!--IDE-->{{yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|ATI Rage 128Pro Mobility M3 (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|ES1983S Maestro 3i}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 1.1 only}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A|some models had mini pci e100}}|| <!--Wireless-->{{N/A|a few came with internal antenna wiring}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->1999 square 3 pin charger PA9 PA-9 - C/Dock II untested - C/Port untested - Parallel to Floppy cable untested - CPx J600GT J650GT J700GT J750GT J800GT J850GT |- | <!--Name-->Latitude C510 C610 Insprion 4100 PP01L 2600 || <!--Chipset-->i830 and 1GHz+ P3-M || <!--IDE-->{{yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|use VESA - ATI Radeon Mobility M6}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 CS4205}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|3Com Etherlink}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|internal antenna wiring for an Atheros mini pci card}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->2000 poor build quality - hard to find in good working order |- | <!--Name-->Latitude C400 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 830 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Intel 830 CGC}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|ac97 Crystal 4205}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|3Com 3c905C TX/TX-M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2000 Slim for the time - no media bays |- | <!--Name-->Latitude C640 (Quanta TM8) C840 Inspiron 8k2 8200 i8200 precision m50 || <!--Chipset-->P4M with 845EP || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use VESA if ATi - use nouveau if 64mb Nvidia Gforce 4 440 Go || <!--Audio-->AC97 CS4205 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->3com 905c || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2001 C640 had one fan so was noisy and hot - C840 had 2 fans and ran slightly cooler but fan noise louder |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | Latitude D400 || P-M 82845 || {{yes|82801 ide}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|VESA only}} || {{yes|AC97 Audio playback only}} || {{maybe|USB 2.0}} || {{maybe|PRO 100 VM (KM)}} || {{no|BCM4318 AirForce one 54g replace with atheros 5k mini pci}} || <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.2.4 || 2003 32bit might boot from USB stick but won't boot from USB-DVD - no sd card slot - power plug style - |- | Latitude D500 / D505 PP10L, Inspiron 510m || 855GME * revA00 * revA03 * revA06 | {{yes|IDE but needs the Dell adapter}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|855GM Gfx (VESA only)}} || {{Yes|Intel AC97 with IDT STAC 9750 codec playback head phones only}} || {{maybe| }} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100 VE}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4306 but exchange with atheros g in panel on laptop bottom}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || 2003 - 14 / 15 inch XGA 4:3 screen - plastic build - no sd card slot - boots from bay optical drive - not powering on/off with ac adapter is a [http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=37&topicid=30585 mobo fault of PC13 SMT 1206 ceramic cap hot] suggest [http://www.die4laser.com/D505fix/ 0.1uF 50V instead] - pc2700 333Mhz ram 1Gb max - |- | Latitude D505 (some) || VIA VT8237 VX700 || {{yes|IDE}} || || {{partial|VESA 2d on ATI RV350 Radeon 9550}} || {{no|VIA AC97 with codec}} || {{maybe|VIA USB glitchy}} || {{yes|VIA VT6102 Rhine-II}} || {{no|Intel 2200g Calexico2}} || <!--Test Distro--> || 2003 32bit little support - diagnostics pressing holding the Fn key, press the Power ON button (battery removed). Check the LEDs pattern - cmos battery behind flap in laptop battery slot - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 1000 || <!--Chipset-->SIS || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|use VESA SIS}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 SIS with AD1981B codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|SIS 900 but}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1 || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit [https://forum.level1techs.com/t/my-time-with-icaros-desktop-and-what-i-am-doing-as-a-dev-contributor-also-some-other-shit/113358 aremis using it] |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 1100 PP07L || <!--Chipset-->845 || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Intel 845G}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC'97 playback}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom 4401}} || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.5 || <!--Comments-->2004 |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 8500 5150 || <!--Chipset-->P4 855GM || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Nvidia 5200 Go - VESA if intel gfx}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|MCP AC97 with SigmaTel 9750}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Broadcom 440x}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom 4306 rev 02 use Atheros Mini PCI}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit P4 runs well but hot |- | Latitude X300 PP04S small, slim and light case || 855GME * revA00 Intel ULV 1.2 Ghz * revA01 Intel ULV 1.4Ghz | {{yes|IDE internal and will boot cd/dvd through dock PR04S}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|855GM Gfx (VESA only)}} || {{Yes|Intel AC97 with STAC 97xx codec but no audio out of the dock}} || {{maybe|works but dock usb ports and usb DVD PD01S not detected}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM5705M gigabit}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4306 later intel - replace with atheros in the underside}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1, 2020 AROS One 1.6 usb, || 2003 12.1" 1024 x 768 - 19.5v PA-10 or PA-12 dell - ACPI works but bad s3 ram suspend sleep - no sd card boot - 1Gb max sodimm ddr 2700 |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D600 (Quanta JM2) PP05L - 600m || <!--Chipset-->82855 PM i855 * reva00 * revA01 * revA02 * revA03 * revA04 | <!--IDE--> {{yes}} || <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use VESA - ATI Radeon RV250 Mobility FireGL 9000}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 - STAC 9750}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5705}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel 2100 or Broadcom BCM4306 - swap for Atheros panel in base}} || <!--Test Distro-->2011 Icaros 1.3 and [http://www.amiga.org/forums/archive/index.php/t-62187.html 1.4.1 and 2016 2.1.1] || <!--Opinion-->2003 32bit 14inch using pc2100 memory with Caps light blinking is usually a memory error - Dell D505 D600 power up pressing the case docking port - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D600 (Quanta JM2) || <!--Chipset-->82855 PM i855 || <!--IDE--> {{yes}} || <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D only vidia NV28 GeForce4 Ti 4200 Go 5200 Go 5650 Go}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 - STAC 9750}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5705}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom BCM4306 mini pci - swap for Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.3 and [http://www.amiga.org/forums/archive/index.php/t-62187.html 1.4.1] || <!--Opinion-->2003 32bit 14" - solder joints on the bios chip (press down f7/f8 keys) - RAM clean with eraser - memory cover plate maybe apply some pressure - |- | <!--Name-->D800 (Compal LA-1901) || <!--Chipset-->Intel 855 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio-->AC97 || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom 570x || <!--Wireless-->Broadcom 4309 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit - trackpoint type pointing device - |- | <!--Name-->D800 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 855 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{No|Nvidia }} || <!--Audio-->AC97 || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom 570x || <!--Wireless-->Broadcom 4309 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit 15inch 39cm |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 1200 2200 PP10S Latitude 110L m350 1.3Ghz || <!--Chipset-->Intel 915GM || <!--IDE--> {{yes|UDMA boots cd or DVD and installs to HDisk}} || <!--SATA--> {{N/A}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA900 (2D and 3D openGL 1.x) Gearbox 56}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel AC97 playback only}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Intel PRO 100 VE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|BroadCom BCM4318 - swap for Atheros mini PCI in base panel}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.4.5 || <!--Comments-->2005 single core 32bit 14" 4:3 1024 768 XGA screen - heavy 6 lbs - PA16 barrel 19V 3.16A AC adapter - battery life 4cell 29WHr lasts 2 hours - 256mb soldered with 1 ddr pc2100 sodimm 1gb max - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 1300 business B130 home PP21L Latitude 120L B120 by Compal - Inspiron 630m || <!--Chipset-->Intel Celeron M360 1.4GHz, M370 1.50 GHz, M380 1.73GHz || <!--IDE-->{{Yes|boots cd or DVD and installs to HDisk}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 915 2D and 3D openGL 1.x tunnel 172 gearbox 70}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio playback ear phones only}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|works but waiting boot fail with AROS One usb version}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Broadcom 440x}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|intel 2200 or BCM4318 swap for Atheros mini pci underside - one antenna lead for main wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.2, 2020 AROS One 1.6 usb, || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit single core - 14.1″ XGA 4:3 or 15.4" WXGA wide 1280 x 800 matte - ddr2 sodimm ram 2gb max - PA-16 19v psu tip 7.4mm * 5mm - f10 boot select f1 f2 bios |- | Latitude X1 PP05S || PP-M GMA915 rev A00 1.1GHz non-pae || {{yes|ide 1.8in zif/ce under keyboard}} || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|Vesa for Intel 915GM}} || {{yes|AC97 6.6 playback only with STAC codec}} || {{maybe|USB 2.0 but partial boot to blank screen}} || {{No|Broadcom 5751}} || {{no|Intel 2200BG - swap for Atheros mini pci under keyboard palm rest - disassembly of all laptop}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 dvd iso image virtualbox'd onto usb, Aros One 1.5 and 1.8 usb (2022) || 2005 32bit 12.1" 4:3 1024 x 768 - sd slot not bootable - 256mb soldered to board and 1 sodimm max 1GB ddr2 under keyboard - F12 bios boot F2 - pa-17 pa17 19v octagonal psu port |- | Latitude D410 PP06S *rev A00 *A01, A02 *A03 || GMA915 1.6GHz Pentium® M 730, 1.7GHz, 750 1.86GHz & 760 2.0GHz, 770 2.13GHz || {{yes|caddy and adapter needed 2.5" - remove hdd and write}} || {{N/A}} || {{Yes|Intel 915GM 2D and 3D OpenGL 1.3 tunnel 170 and gearbox 75}} || {{yes|AC97 playback only with STAC 9751 codec}} || {{maybe|works but will not boot from USB-DVD or AROS One 1.5 usb version}} || {{No|Broadcom 5751}} || {{no|Intel 2915ABG or later 2200BG - swap for Atheros mini pci under keyboard}} || <!--Test Distro-->2015 Icaros 1.4, 2016 2.1.1 and AROS One 1.5 usb, || 2005 32bit 12.1" 4:3 1024 x 768 - no sd card slot - PR06S dock base |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D510 (Quanta DM1) || <!--Chipset-->915GM socket 479 || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 915 2D and 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 STAC 975x}} || <!--USB--> {{maybe|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5751}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG swap Atheros mini pci in base}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 14.1" 32bit single core Intel Celeron M 1.6GHz Pentium M 730 1.73Ghz - squarish 3:2 - issues with 3rd party battery 4 quick flashes of red led with 1 final green |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D610 (Quanta JM5B) PP11L || <!--Chipset-->910GML 915GM with mobile 1.6 to 2.26ghz * Rev A0x * Rev A0x * Rev A07 1.73Ghz | <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 915 2D and 3D tunnel 174 gearbox 74}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel AC97 speaker head phones playback only with stac codec}} || <!--USB--> {{maybe|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5751}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel 2200BG or Broadcom mini pci under keyboard, swap wifi card for atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 14" 1024 x 768 - very noisy clicky trackpad buttons - one dimm slot under keyboard and other in underside 2GB 533Mhz 667Mhz DDR2 max - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D610 (Quanta JM5B) 0C4717 REV A05, 0K3879 REV.A00 || <!--Chipset-->915GM || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use VESA 2d - Ati X300 no radeon 2d}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel AC97}} || <!--USB--> {{maybe|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom NetXtreme 57xx Gigabit replace with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG mini pci use Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 14" 1024 x 768 - very noisy clicky trackpad buttons - 19.5v psu |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D810 (Quanta ) || <!--Chipset-->915GM || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use VESA 2d - Ati X300 RV370 M22 later x600}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel AC97 stereo playback only idt 9751 codec}} || <!--USB--> {{maybe|USB 2.0 but no boot from usb on 1.5}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom NetXtreme 57xx Gigabit}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG mini pci replace with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.1, aros one 1.5 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 15.4" F12 one time boot menu - 19.5v 90w psu ideal - battery not same as later dx20 ones - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 6000 6400, E1505 PP20L *A00 Pentium M *A0? Core Duo || <!--Chipset-->GM945 with PM 1.73Ghz, T2050 or T2060 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|vesa 2d - Ati 9700, x1300 RV515 M52, x1400 or nvidia go 7300 on mxm board}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio IDT 9200}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|usb boot }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Broadcom BCM4401 B0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 2200 3945 - swap for Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1, AROS One 1.6 || <!--Comments-->2006 mostly 32bit - 15.4 inch glossy - 2 ddr2 sodimm slots - broadcom bcm92045 bluetooth detected but no support - 19.5v dell psu socket - f2 bios setup, f12 boot order - |- | <!--Name-->Inspirion E1705 9200 9300 9400 PP12L PP14L || <!--Chipset-->945GM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->proprietary Dell card/socket format Nvidia 6800, ati X300 or nVidia 7900GS gpu 3d corrupt || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom BCM4401}} || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 swap with Atheros 5k mini pcie || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 [http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?mode=flat&order=0&item_id=6481 increasing vertical lines issues] 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Studio XPS M1210 || <!--Chipset-->GM945 with Core Duo to intel C2D T5500, T7400 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->nVidia G72M 7300 7400m || <!--Audio-->HD Audio IDT 92xx || <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom BCM4401 B0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4311 - swap for Atheros 5k mini pci-e}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 64bit - 2 ddr2 slots max 4Gb - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 1501 PP23LA Latitude 131L || <!--Chipset-->AMD Sempron 1.8GHz Turion MK-36 or X2 1.6Ghz TL-50 or TL-56 on ATI RS480 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use VESA 2d - ATI 1150 (x300) RS482M Mobility Radeon Xpress 200}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with stac 92xx codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom bcm 4401}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom bcm4311 replace with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.5 || <!--Comments-->2006 64bit 15.4 inch matt 16:10 1280x800 WXGA - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 6400 (Quanta FM1) *A00 Pentium M *A0? Core Duo *A08 Core2 Duo || <!--Chipset-->GM945 with BGA479 (socket M) T2050 1.6Ghz, T2060 1.60Ghz, T2080 1.73Ghz much later T5500 1.66Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 2D and 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with IDT 92xx codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Broadcom BCM4401 B0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4311 swap for Atheros 5k mini pci-e under keyboard}} || <!--Test Distro-->deadwood 2019-04-16 iso || <!--Comments-->2006 mostly 32bit - 15.4" glossy - sd card - front multimedia keys - dvd rw - generic dell keyboard - coin cr2032 bios battery under keyboard - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 640m PP19L XPS M140 e1405 || <!--Chipset-->Core Solo T2050, T2300 Duo 1.83GHz T2400 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio IDT || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom BCM4401-B0 100Base || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 or Broadcom 43xx, swap for Atheros 5k - Wireless Internet ON or OFF press the Function key + F2}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32 bit - 12.1 LCD CCFL WXGA 1280x800 up to 14.1 inch 16:10 1440x900 pixel, WXGA+ UltraSharp - supports also SSE3 on duos - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D420 (Compal LA-3071P) PP09S || <!--Chipset-->945 * revA00 Solo 1.2Ghz ULV U1400 * revA01 Duo 1.06Ghz u2500 * revA02 Duo 1.2Ghz | <!--IDE-->{{yes|ZIF/CE 1.8" slow under battery, ribbon cable}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA950 - 2D and 3D opengl tunnel 138 gearbox 103}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio with STAC 92xx playback speakers head phones only)}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|2 and external usb optical drive works}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 mini pcie - swap Atheros 5k in base panel}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros Desktop 1.4 || <!--Opinion-->2006 32bit only - 12.1" 1280x800 - PR09S dock base rev02 DVD-RW usb boots - 1GB DDR2 2Rx16 max in base panel - f2 setup f5 diagnostics f12 boot list - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D520 PP17L || <!--Chipset--> * 64bit rev A01, A02 945GM Core2 Duo 1.83Ghz to 2.3Ghz * 32bit rev A00, A01 940GML Solo later Duo T2400 | <!--IDE-->{{yes| Philips SDR089, Philips CDD5263, TEAC DW224EV, Optiarc AD-5540A, HL-DL-ST GSAT21N, TSSTcorp TS-L632D}} || {{Yes|bios sata set to ide mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 900 series 2D and OpenGL1 3D tunnel 210 gearbox 153 teapot 27}} || {{Yes|HD audio with STAC 9200 codec}} || {{Yes|Boots and detects USB2.0}} || {{Yes|Broadcom 4400}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM4312 BCM4321 Dell 1390 / 1490 mini pcie - easy to replace with atheros 5k in base panel}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.4 and 2.2 and both AROS One 1.8 and AROS One x64 1.1 USB boot || 2006 mostly 64bit 4:3 aspect ratio 14.1 (XGA 1024x768) or later 15 inches (XGA+ 1400 by 1050) - F2 enter bios F12 choose boot - 19.5v dell tip pa-12 charger - bios coin cell cr2032 battery socketed in base panel - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D620 (Compal LA-2792) PP18L || <!--Chipset-->945GMS * rev A00 all Core Duo's 32 bit * rev A0x all Core 2 Duo's 64 bit | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 950 (2D and 3D tunnel gearbox opengl1 || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio playback}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel 3945 mini pcie swap with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->AspireOS Xenon || <!--Opinion-->2006 64bit AROS capable with later revisions - 14" 1280 x 800 |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D620 || <!--Chipset-->Intel i945 * revA00 all Core Duo's 32 bit * revA01 all Core 2 Duo's 64 bit | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Nvidia 7300, 7600 NVS 110M G72 || <!--Audio-->{{dunno|HD Audio with STAC 9200 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless--> {{dunno}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->2007 1440x900 screen - LA-2792P Rev.2.0 - DT785 UC218 Fan/ Heatsink (64bit) - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D820 (Quanta JM6) || <!--Chipset-->945GMS 940GML * rev A00 * rev A01 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 2D and 3D tunnel 195 - 100? gearbox 156}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with STAC 9200 playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|BCM4310 replace with mini pcie atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Opinion-->2007 widescreen 15 inch 1280 x 800 matte - - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D820 (Quanta JM) || <!--Chipset-->945GMS 940GML * revA00 * revA01 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Nvidia NVS 110M 120M G72}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio STAC 9200}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|BCM4310 swap with Atheros 5k mini pcie}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->2007 64bit 15.4 1650x1050 WXGA or WSXGA+ or 1920x1200 WUXGA - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Latitude D531 15" || <!--Chipset-->AMD Turion X2 TL56 or TL60 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use VESA - ATi xpress X1270}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with IDT codec || <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom 57xx}} || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 or Dell Wireless 1390, 1505 or BCM4311 mini pcie || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit possible - no trackpoint - fails and goes wrong often - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D430 PP09S || <!--Chipset-->945 with Core2 Duo C2D U7500 1.06GHz U7600 1.2GHz U7700 1.33GHz * rev A00 * rev A01 * rev A02 | <!--IDE-->ZIF PATA IDE 1.8inch under battery and ribbon cable - slow use USB instead || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|945GML 2D and 3D opengl 1.x 171 tunnel 105 gearbox}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|STAC 92xx HD Audio speaker and ear phone - mono speaker}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel 4965 AGN or 3945 ABG mini pci-e underside with Atheros 5k mini pci-e}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aspire 1.8 || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit capable - sd card not supported - 19.5v PA12 power adapter - 12.1" 1280x800 matte - f2 setup f5 diagnostics f12 boot list - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D530 || <!--Chipset-->GM965 + ICH8 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{partial|IDE mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{partial|nVidia Quadro NVS 135M 2D 3d glitches G86}} || <!--Audio-->{{partial|HD Audio with STAC 9205 head phones only}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0}}|| <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5755M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 3945ABG swap with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.4.5 || <!--Comments-->2007 [http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?mode=flat&order=0&item_id=6481] cool air intake from underneath needed with pa-10 or pa-3e 90w psu required - standard 4:3 ratio aspect screen - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D630 (Compal LA-3301P) PP18L || <!--Chipset-->GM965 + ICH8 T7250 2.0Ghz T7300 * revA00 * revA01 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA X3100 (2D only, no external monitor)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio STAC 9205 but speaker and head phones}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|4 USB 2.0}}|| <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5755M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom BCM4312 swap with pci-e Atheros 5k under keyboard}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit possible - F12 to choose boot option - 2 ddr2 sodimm max 4G - 4400mah 48Wh battery lasts 2 hours - 6600mah 73Wh lasts 3 hours - two wire cr2032 cmos - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D630 || <!--Chipset-->GM965 + ICH8 * revA00 [http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?mode=flat&order=0&item_id=6481] GPU heatpad, no copper * revA01 0DT785 heatsink | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{partial|IDE mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{partial|use VESA as nVidia NVS 135M 3d corrupts 0.7 tunnel 0.25 gearbox G86}} || <!--Audio-->{{partial|HD Audio with STAC 9205 head phones only}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0}}|| <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5755M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 3945ABG swap with Atheros 5k mini pcie}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.4.5 || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D830 || <!--Chipset-->965GM with Core2 * revA00 * revA01 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GM965 crestline 2d and 3d tunnel 115}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|replace with Atheros 5k mini pcie}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros || <!--Comments-->2007 15 inch 1280 x 900 but updating the LCD to WXGA or WSXGA+ could be better - 2 ddr2 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D830 || <!--Chipset-->ICH8, Core2 DUO T7800 @ 2.60GHz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->Intel ICH8M Serial ATA || <!--Gfx-->nVidia Quadro NVS 140M G86 || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio with STAC 92XX codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom NetXtreme 57xx Gigabit || <!--Wireless-->Intel Wireless 4965AGN swap with Atheros 5k || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.03 || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit 15." - FN,F2 or FN,F8 or FN,F12 |- | <!--Name-->XPS M1710 || <!--Chipset-->945PM with T2400 T2600 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->proprietary Dell card socket format GTX 7950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with STAC 92XX codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 1000 or Broadcom BCM5752 || <!--Wireless-->Intel swap with Atheros 5k || <!--Test Distro-->Aros One 64bit || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit 17.3" workstation type WXGA+ screen 1920x1200 - 2 ddr-2 667Mhz sodimm slots, |- | <!--Name-->XPS M1730 || <!--Chipset-->965 with T7200 T7600 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GTX 7950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with STAC 92XX codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 1000 || <!--Wireless-->Intel swap with Atheros 5k || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit 17" workstation type WXGA+ screen manufactured by AU Optronics poor viewing angles, unevenly lit, light leakage, 2 ddr-2 800Mhz slots, |- | <!--Name-->Latitude E6410 P27LA, E6510 PP30LA, E6310 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core i5-520M to i7-620M i7 820QM but no sse4.1 or AVX || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|NVidia NVS 3100M GT218 2D but 3D through external monitor}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio IDT 92HD81}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB2 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom or Intel 6200AGN or Link 6300}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.3 || <!--Comments-->2010 64 bit - 14.1” WXGA+ up to 15.6in 15.6” FHD 1080p - 2 ddr3l 1333Mhz max 8Gb - 90w dell charger - 3pin cmos - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron M5030 || <!--Chipset-->rev A01 AMD V120, V140 rev A0? V160 M880G || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA RS880M Radeon HD 4225, 4250}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with ALC269q codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros AR8152 v2}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - DDR3 sodimm - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->E6420 E6520 ATG semi ruggized XFR || <!--Chipset-->sandy bridge i5 2520M 2540M or duo I7 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|set to Bios UEFI mode AHCI}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Intel HD 3000 with optional fermi Nvidia NVS 4200M GF119}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with IDT 92HD90 BXX codec but not HDMI codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 6205}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.03 || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit 15.6in - fan exhausts a lot of hot air when cpu taxed - VGA if Bios ATA set and Vesa only with Bios ACHI set - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron M5040 || <!--Chipset-->slow amd E450, later C-50 C50 or C-60 C60 with A50M chipset || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|non efi sata in IDE mode but base plastic difficult to remove for access}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA AMD Radeon 6320, 6250 or 6290}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio IDT}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8105E VB 10/100}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 icaros 2.1.1 and AROS USB 1.6 || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit 15INCH 1388 X 768 - f2 bios setup, f12 boot order - under removable keyboard via 4 top spring loaded catches is 1 ddr3l sodimm max 8gb and wifi - |- | Latitude e6230 E6330 E6430 || i3 3320M 3350M 2.8 GHz i5 3360M i7 3520M || {{N/A}} || {{partial|non RAID mode}} || {{partial|Intel HD 4000 (VESA only)}} || {{no|HD Audio}} || {{partial|Intel USB 3.0 (USB 1.1 2.0 only)}} || {{No|Intel 82579LM Gigabit}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM4313}} || <!--Test Distro-->Nightly Build 2014 09-27 || 2013 64bit Ivy Bridge - 12.5-inch 13.3-inch 14-inch screen - not great support, better under hosted - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Latitude 3330 || <!--Chipset-->Core i3 – 2375M to i5 – 3337U, Intel® Core i3 – 3227U, Celeron 1007U on HM77 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2d for intel Hd 2000 3000 vga hdmi}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HDAudio with IDT 92HD93 Controller codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.0 (2), USB 2.0 PowerShare capable }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel }} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwood usb3 test iso || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit, 13.3” HD 1366X768 16:9, 2 ddr3l slots max 8Gb, 720p HD video webcam, |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 15 5565 5567 AMD versions, Inspiron 3595 || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-9200u A9-9400 9425 A12-9700P Bristol Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->Radeon R5 R8 GCN 3 || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{partial| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek 1GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit AVX2 - 15.6in 768p or 900p - there are intel versions avoid - |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Latitude 5495, Inspiron 15 3585 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 2300U 2500U 2700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|NVMe or optional 2.5in sata if caddy and ribbon cable}} || <!--Gfx-->Radeon Vega 3 or 7 || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with Realtek ALC3246 aka ALC295 0x10ec, 0x0295 or ALC3263 aka ALC 0x10ec, 0x0 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14.0" FHD WVA 1080p (16:9) 220 nits or HD 768p - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots max 32gb - 68whr battery with 2pin cmos bios coin - DC 19.5V 4.62A (90W) or 19.5V 3.34W (65W) 5.0mm x 7.4mm PA12 charging adapter - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 3505, Vostro 3515 || <!--Chipset-->athlon 300u, Ryzen 3250u (2c4t) 3450u 3500u 3700u (4c8t), Athlon Silver (2c2t) Gold (2c4t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|up to 2 nvme with optional 2.5in sata ribbon connector}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 8, 10}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|Realtek ALC3204, Cirrus Logic CS8409 (CS42L42 and SN005825)}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|RTL 8106E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8723DE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64-bit - 15.6inch - 2 ddr4 sodimm max 16G - avoid knocking usb-c charging whilst in use - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 5485 2-in-1 || <!--Chipset-->athlon 300u, Ryzen 3250u (2c4t) 3450u 3500u 3700u (4c8t), Athlon Silver (2c2t) Gold (2c4t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|nvme}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 8, 10}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|Realtek ALC3204}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8723DE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64-bit - 14inch - 2 ddr4 sodimm max 16G - avoid knocking usb-c charging whilst in use - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude 3500, 3310, 3410, 3510, || <!--Chipset-->Intel Celeron-4205U, Pentium-5405U, Core i5 (8th Gen) i3-8145U, 8265U, i5-8365U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|nvme}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2D for Intel UHD Graphics 610 or 620 hdmi}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HDAudio with Realtek ALC}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 usb-c usb-a}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111H}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14in or 15.6in 768p to 1080p 220nits - 65w - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - rtc cr2032 cmos 2 pin - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 5405 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 4500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->One M.2 2230/2280 nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with Realtek ALC3204 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 14" 1080p - dell round ac 19.50 VDC 4.50 mm x 2.90 mm 65W(19.5V-3.34A) round 4.5mm tip - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 5415, Inspiron 5515 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 5300U, Ryzen 5 5500U, Ryzen 7 5700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|nvme}} || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDaudio with realtek ALC3254 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit 14" or 15.6in - avoid knocking usb-c charging whilst in use or use dell round ac 65W 4.5MM x 3.0MM - replacing keyboard not easy - 1 ddr4 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->Vostro 3425, Vostro 3525, Vostro 5625 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 5425U, Ryzen 5 5625U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{no|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB4}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 14in 15.6" to 16" FHD 1080p - dell round ac 65w 4.5MM x 3.0MM or avoid knocking usb-c charging whilst in use - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Inspiron 15 Model 3535, Inspiron 14 7435 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 7520U, AMD Ryzen 5 7530U, 7 7730U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->{{No| hdmi 1.4 but no gpmi}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDaudio with codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2024 64bit - 14.0" or 15.6" 1080p - dell round ac 65w 4.5MM x 3.0MM or usb-c charging - full sd card slot - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |} ====Fujitsu-Siemens==== [[#top|...to the top]] Order of build quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > Amilo Esprimo Lifebook </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu [http://www.labri.fr/perso/fleury/index.php?page=bug_transmeta FMV-Biblo Loox S73A (Japan P1100) LifeBook P1120 Biblo Loox T93C (Japan P2120) P2020] || <!--Chipset-->Transmeta Crusoe CPU TM5600 633MHz with Ali M1535 chipset || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->ATI Rage Mobility M with 4MB SDRAM || <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 Ali M1535 + STAC9723 Codec}} || <!--USB-->USB 1.1 only || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1999 32bit 10" 1280 x 600 matte LCD - QuickPoint IV mouse - metal chassis with palm rest plastic - 15GB 2.5 inch drive and SR 8175 8X DVD-ROM drive - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Lifebook S7000 S7010 S7010D S2020 || <!--Chipset-->Pentium M 1.6 or 1.7GHz || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA - Intel 855}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|AC97 with STAC 9751T or 9767 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros, Broadcom or Intel 2200BG - FN,F10}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit 14.1 inch with minimal support |- | <!--Name-->Lifebook e8010 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Intel 855GM}} || <!--Audio-->AC97 STAC9767 or ALC203 codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom NetXtreme BCM5705M}} || <!--Wireless-->Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.3.1 || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit 15.1 inch |- | <!--Name-->Stylistic ST5000 ST5010 ST5011 ST5012 ST5020 ST5021 ST5022 || <!--Chipset-->1.0GHz P-M and later 1.1GHz on Intel 855GME || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->Intel 800 use VESA || <!--Audio-->Intel AC97 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom BCM5788 tg3 || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 2200BG}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit charged via a proprietary port power connector 16V 3.75A with wacom serial pen interface - indoor Screen transmissive 10.1 and later 12.1 XGA TFT - |- | <!--Name-->Amilo Pro V2010 || <!--Chipset-->VIA CN400 PM880 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{No|S3 unichrome use VESA}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|VIA AC97 VT8237 with codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Rhine 6102 6103 || <!--Wireless-->RaLink RT2500 || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit boot mount - unknown bootstrap error then crashes |- | <!--Name-->Amilo Li 1705 CN896 || <!--Chipset--> with VIA P4M900 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|IDE}} || <!--Gfx-->ATi || <!--Audio-->{{No|VIA VT8237 HD Audio with codec}} || <!--USB-->VT82xx 62xx || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|VIA Rhine}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros G}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit random freezes |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> Esprimo Mobile V5535 Skt mPGA 478MN | <!--Chipset--> | <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE and EIDE}} | <!--SATA--> {{maybe|IDE mode with SIS 5513}} | <!--Gfx--> {{maybe|SiS 771 / 671 (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{yes|HD Audio SIS968 SIS966 SI7012 with ALC268 codec}} | <!--USB--> {{no|USB 1.1 and 2.0 issues}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|SiS 191 gigabit}} | <!--Wireless--> {{yes|Atheros AR5001 mini pci express}} | <!--Test Distro-->aros one 1.5 usb | <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 20v barrel - f2 setup f12 multi boot - random freezing short time after booting - chipset SIS 671MX - |- | <!--Name-->Amilo SI 1520 1521p || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 2D}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio Conexant codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Intel Pro 100}} || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.4.2 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit - Set Bios option ATA Control Mode to Compatible |- | <!--Name-->Lifebook S7020 S7020D || <!--Chipset--> Pentium M 740 1.73MHz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 915 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC260 codec || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom BCM5751M Gigabit || <!--Wireless-->Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG or Atheros 5k || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Stylistic ST5030 ST5031 ST5032 || <!--Chipset-->1 to 1.2GHx Pentium M with 915GM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->Intel 900 || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Marvell || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit charged via a proprietary port power connector 6.0 x 4.4 mm round - 200 pin ddr2 ram |- | <!--Name-->Stylistic ST5110 ST5111 ST5112 || <!--Chipset-->945GM with 1.2GHz Core Duo and Core2 Duo || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 900 || <!--Audio-->HD audio with STAC9228 codec || <!--USB-->{{No| }} || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 ABG or optional atheros || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 either 32 or 64 bit - charged via a proprietary port power connector 6.0 x 4.4 mm round - SigmaTel® touchscreen - |- | <!--Name-->E8110 S7110 E8210 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|945GM}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with ALC262 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8055 Gigabit}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel PRO Wireless 3945ABG}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.0 || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit Core Duo |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || CHIPSET || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Lifebook PH521 || <!--Chipset-->AMD E-350 E-450 1.65GHz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->HD 6310M 6320M || <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC269 || <!--USB-->{{No| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros 802.11 bgn}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 11.6 inch 1366x768 pixels - DDR3 1066MHz - |- | <!--Name-->LIFEBOOK E752/E782/S752/S782 || <!--Chipset--> with Intel Core i3-2328M to i3-3110M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Audio-->{{yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82579V 1000 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel Wireless 6205 may be able to swap for Atheros 5k }} || <!--Test Distro-->Aros One 64bit || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====HP Compaq==== [[#top|...to the top]] Build quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > Presario Pavilion Omnibook ProBook Armada Elitebook </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->1c00 series Compaq Presario [http://users.utu.fi/sjsepp/linuxcompaqarmada100s.html Armada 100S made by Mitac], 1247 || <!--Chipset-->K6-II with PE133 MVP-4 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use VESA - Trident Blade3D AGP sp16953 || <!--Audio-->VIA ac'97 audio [rev20] with AD1881A codec || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|usual VIA issues [rev10]}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit 192MB max - PCcard Texas PC1211 no support - 1200 XL1 1200-XL1xx, XL101, XL103 XL105 XL106 XL109 XL110 XL111 XL116 XL118 XL119 XL125 |- | <!--Name-->1c01 series Armada 110, Evo N150 || <!--Chipset-->Intel with VIA PLE133 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA - Trident Cyber Blade i1 chipset || <!--Audio-->VIA 686 rev20 82xxx 686a || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 82557 Pro 100 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit max 192mb sodimm 100Mhz 133Mhz ram memory - 1200-XL405A 12XL405A XL502A 12XL502A 1600XL |- | Armada M300 M700 E500 || 440BX || {{Yes| }} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|ATI Rage LT M1 Mobility (VESA only)}} || {{no|AC97 ESS Maestro 2E M2E ES1987 sound}} || {{yes|USB1.1 only}} || {{No|[http://perho.org/stuff/m300/index_en.html Intel PRO 100+ Mini PCI]}} || {{N/A}} || Aspire OS 2012, Nightly 30-01 2013 and 04-05 2013 || 1999 32bit - F10 bios options and Fn+F11 reset CMOS with 64mb ram already on board |- | <!--Name-->HP Omnibook XE3 || <!--Chipset-->Intel BX 600Mhz GC model 256mb or AMD GD 500Mhz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA - S3 Inc. 86C270 294 Savage IX-MV (rev 11) || <!--Audio-->{{No|ESS ES1988 Allegro 1 (rev 12)}} || <!--USB-->Intel 82371AB PIIX4 USB (rev 01) || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit no cardbus pcmcia support - no audio from Polk Audio Speakers - |- | <!--Name-->HP Omnibook XE3 || <!--Chipset-->82830 ICH3 P3-M 750MHz 800Mhz 900MHz || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA - CGC 830MG}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|ESS ES1988 Maestro 3i}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|only one 1.1 port}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|e100 82557}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A|}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.51 || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit Boots USB Stick via Plop boot floppy - Memory for GF 256-512mb, GS up 1GB |- | <!--Name-->TC1000 TC-1000 Tablet PC || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA NV11 [GeForce2 Go] (rev b2) || <!--Audio-->VIA AC97 Audio (rev 50) || <!--USB-->OHCI NEC USB 2.0 (rev 02) || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 82551 QM (rev 10) || <!--Wireless-->Atmel at76c506 802.11b || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit Transmeta LongRun (rev 03) with VT82C686 - Texas Instruments TI PCI1520 PC card Cardbus |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq R3000 ZV5000 (Compal LA-1851) || <!--Chipset-->Nvidia nForce 3 with AMD CPU || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Nvidia NV17 [GeForce4 420 Go 32M] || <!--Audio-->Nvidia || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom or Realtek RTL8139 || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Broadcom BCM4303 BCM4306 or Atheros bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - HPs have a setting to automatically disable wireless if a wired connection is detected |- | <!--Name-->Compaq [http://www.walterswebsite.us/drivers.htm Presario 700 series] || <!--Chipset-->VT8363 VT8365 [Apollo Pro KT133 KM133] || <!--IDE-->{{yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VT8636A (S3 Savage TwisterK) (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|VIA AC97 [rev50] with AD1886 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|VIA UHCI USB 1.1 [rev1a]}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RealTek RTL8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom BCM4306}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit poor consumer grade level construction - jbl audio pro speakers - no support for cardbus pcmcia TI PCI1410 - 700A EA LA UK US Z 701AP EA BR FR 701Z 702US 703US AP JP audio sp18895 Sp19472 |- |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | N400c || P3-M 82845 || {{yes|82801 CAM IDE U100}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|Rage Mobility 128 (VESA only)}} || {{No|Maestro 3 allegro 1}} || {{yes|USB1.1}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100 VM (KM)}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2003 32bit Has no optical disc drive |- | N410c || P3-M 82845 || {{yes|82801 CAM IDE U100}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|Radeon Mobility M7 LW 7500 (VESA only)}} || {{yes|Intel AC97 with AD1886 codec}} || {{yes|USB1.1}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100 VM (KM)}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2003 32bit Has no optical disc drive |- | Evo N600c || Pentium 4 || {{yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|ATI Radeon Mobility M7 (VESA only)}} || {{No|ESS ES1968 Maestro 2}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || {{dunno}} || Icaros 1.3 || 2003 32bit |- | Evo N610c || Pentium 4 || {{yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|ATI Radeon Mobility M7 (VESA only)}} || {{yes|Intel ICH AC97 with AD1886 codec}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || {{dunno}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || |- | N800c || P4 || {{Yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|ATI Radeon Mobility 7500 (VESA only)}} || {{yes|AC97}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2003 32bit P4M CPU can get very warm |- | <!--Name-->NX7010 || <!--Chipset-->Intel || <!--IDE-->{{yes|IDE}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|ATI mobility 7500 or 9000 Radeon 9200 64MB (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 ADI codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|uhci (1.1) and ehci (2.0)}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 2200b bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Compaq Preasrio V5000 (Compal LA-2771) || <!--Chipset-->AMD Sempron 3000+ or Turion ML with SB400 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA - Ati RS480M Xpress 200}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 ATI with Conexant CX 20468 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8100 8101L 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|bcm4318 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2004 64bit single core machine V5001 V5002 V5002EA V5003 |- | <!--Name-->TC1100 TC-1100 Tablet PC || <!--Chipset-->855PM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Nvidia Geforce4 Go || <!--Audio-->AC97 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|BCM 4400}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Atheros wlan W400 W500 or ? bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit |- | <!--Name-->NC6000 NC8000 NW8000 || <!--Chipset-->855PM with Pentium M 1.5 1.6 1.8GHz 2.0GHz || <!--IDE-->max 160 GB for NW 8000 || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Ati RV350 mobility 9600 M10 Fire GL T2 ISV use VESA 2D as no laptop display}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Intel AC97 with ADI codec playback only}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|2 ports}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM 5705M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|mini pci Atheros 5212 BG W400 W500 or Intel - all bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 based [http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=41916&forum=47 works] - Firewire TI TSB43AB22/A - 8 pound 2.5 kg travel weight - an SD slot as well as two PC Card slots - 15-inch UXGA screen (1,600 x 1,200) or 15" SXGA+ (1400 x 1050) (4:3 ratio) |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Compaq NC6110 NX6110 NC6120 NC6220 NC4200 NC8200 TC4200 || <!--Chipset-->GMA 915GML || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D GMA 900}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 with ADI AD1981B playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Unk|440x or BCM 5705M or 5751M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel IPW 2200 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.5.2 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit Sonoma based - Wifi with Atheros AR5007eg if apply hacked bios RISKY else use USB one - (INVENTEC ASPEN UMA MV) (INVENTEC ASPEN DIS PV) - |- | <!--Name-->Compaq C500 CTO aka HP G7000 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 945GM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with realtek ALC262 codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Broadcom BCM 4311 bios locked || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit |- | <!--Name-->HP DV6000 || <!--Chipset-->945GMS || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio IDT 92HD 91B || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel PRO 100 VE || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32 bit only - Mosfet FDS6679 common cause of shorts giving no power to the tip. To reset adapter, unplug from AC (mains) and wait 15-30 sec. Then plug in again - |- | Presario F700 series, HP G6000 f730us F750 F750us F755US F756NR F765em || AMD Turion Mono MK-36 2.0Ghz NForce 560m or Twin X2 TK-55 with nForce 610m MCP67 || {{N/A| }} || {{Yes|but needs special sata adapt bit and caddy}} || {{Yes|GF Go 7000m 2D and 3D 640x350 to 1280x800 - ball solder issues due to poor cooling}} || {{Maybe| }} || {{Maybe|uhci and ehci boots}} || {{No|Nvidia }} || {{Yes|Atheros AR5007 bios locked}} || Icaros 1.3.1 and Aros One 1.6 USB || 2006 64bit - f9 boot device f10 bios setup - random freezes after a minutes use means internal ventilation maintenance needed each year essential - No sd card and overall limited phoenix bios options - |- | <!--Name-->Presario v6604au v6608au V3500 || <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA MCP67M with AMD Athlon64 X2 TK 55 amd 1.8ghz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|SATA 150}} || <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA GeForce Go 7150M 630i or C67 630M MCP67 || <!--Audio-->conexant codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Nvidia or Realtek 10/100 || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom 4311 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 64bit Altec Lansing Stereo Speakers - ball solder issues - |- | <!--Name-->Compaq presario v6610 v6615eo v6620us || <!--Chipset-->Turion 64 X2 mobile TK-55 / 1.8 GHz to athlon 64x2 @ 2.4ghz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|SATA 150}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|geforce 7150 or 7300m 2d and 3d}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AMD HD Audio with IDT codec stereo playback only}} || <!--USB-->3 OHCI EHCI || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.3 - || <!--Comments-->2007 [http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=40956&forum=48 works well] - 1 x ExpressCard/54 - SD Card slot - AO4407 test voltage of the Drain side (pins 5-8) with AC adapter and no battery, see 0 volts, connect the battery you should have 10-14v - |- | <!--Name-->v6630em v6642em || <!--Chipset-->nForce 630M with AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-58 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA GeForce 6150M or 7150M || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit 15.4 in 1280 x 800 ( WXGA ) - |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq NC6400 || <!--Chipset-->945GM Core Duo || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|GMA 950 2D issues and no 3d}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio AD1981HD}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|BCM }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros || <!--Comments-->2007 - replaced with Atheros AR5007eg if apply hacked bios RISKY else use USB g - * 32bit Core Duo T2400 * 64bit Core 2 Duo T5600 T7600 |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq NV NC6400 || <!--Chipset-->Core Duo + 945PM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Radeon x1300M (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with ADI1981 low volume}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|BCM 5753M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 ABG bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.4.2 || <!--Opinion-->2007 Harmon Kardon speakers |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq NC6320 || <!--Chipset-->945GM with * 32bit Core Duo 1.83GHz T2400 * 64bit Core2 Duo 1.83GHz T5600 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 950 2D with a little 3D tunnel 213}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel HD Audio with AD1981HD codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|BCM 5788}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2 || <!--Comments-->2007 replaced with Atheros AR5007eg if applying hacked wifi bios RISKY!! else use USB - 14.1" or 15 inch XGA 1024x768 - noisy cpu fan for core2 - trackpad rhs acts as window scroller - |- | <!--Name-->HP NC4400 TC4400 Tablet || <!--Chipset-->Core Duo with 82945 chipset || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|bios F.07 limits to 100GB 120GB}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|2D and 3D 282 tunnel and gearbox 150}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with ADI 1981HD codec via ear phones}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|BCM 5753M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 or BCM 4306 - Whitelist BIOS F.0C needed but risky}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments-->2008 64 bit possible with Core2 - TI SD card reader non bootable - wacom serial digitiser pen not working - * 32bit 1.86GHz core duo * 64bit 2Ghz T7200, 2.16Ghz Core 2 Duo T7600 2.33GHz |- | <!--Name-->HP Pavilion DV2000 CTO || <!--Chipset-->945GMS || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950, X3100, Nvidia 8400M || <!--Audio-->HD Audio Conexant CX 20549 Venice || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Nvidia MCP51 || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM 4311 or Intel 3945 4965 ABG bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 Atheros AR5007eg if apply hacked bios RISKY |- | <!--Name-->Compaq Presario C700 || <!--Chipset-->GMA960 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->X3100 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8139 || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Atheros AR5007 AR5001 AR242x}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 |- | <!--Name-->Compaq 2510p 6510b 6710b 6910b || <!--Chipset-->GMA 965GM GL960 || <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|X3100 some 2d but slow software 3d only}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio ADI AD1981 HD low volume on head phones}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82566 or Broadcom BCM 5787M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945ABG or 4965ABG bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aspire OS Xenon 2014 || <!--Comments-->2008 no sd card boot support - F9 to choose boot option - [http://forums.mydigitallife.info/threads/7681-This-is-no-request-thread!-HP-COMPAQ-bioses-how-to-modify-the-bios/page111?p=333358#post333358 whitelist removal (risky) bios block for wifi card swap] |- | <!--Name-->CQ40 CQ41 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Intel}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8101E || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BC4310 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 |- | <!--Name-->Compaq Presario CQ35 CQ36 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4312 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 Compal LA-4743P - |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq CQ42 CQ43 CQ45 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with Coxenant codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8191SE, Realtek 8188CE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 (Quanta AX1) |- | <!--Name-->Compaq Presario CQ50 CQ56 || <!--Chipset-->Nvidia MCP78S || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Geforce 8200M || <!--Audio-->nVidia HD Audio with codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->nvidia MCP77 || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR928X bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 [http://donovan6000.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/insyde-bios-modding-wifi-and-wwan-whitelists.html bios modding risky] MCP72XE MCP72P MCP78U MCP78S |- | <!--Name-->CQ60 || <!--Chipset-->Single core Sempron to dual turion || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Nvidia 8200M}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 |- | <!--Name-->HP DV6700 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{no|Vesa for Nvidia 8400M}} || <!--Audio-->{{no| }} || <!--USB-->{{no| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->CQ60 || <!--Chipset-->Intel C2D || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Nvidia 9200M}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->CQ57z || <!--Chipset-->AMD slow E-300 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA ATi HD 6310 wrestler}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek RTL8101 RTL8102}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RaLink RT5390}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->HP CQ58z 103SA E5K15EA || <!--Chipset-->AMD slow Dual-Core E1-1500 APU with A68M FCH || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Radeon HD 7310}} || <!--Audio-->Realtek idt codec || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek 10/100 BASE-T}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 39.6 cm (15.6") HD BrightView LED-backlit (1366 x 768) |- | <!--Name-->HP 635 DM1 || <!--Chipset-->AMD slow E-300, E-450 later E2-1800 on SB7x0 SB8x0 SB9x0 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->ATI non efi SATA AHCI - IDE mode || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA 2D - AMD HD6310, 6320 to HD7340}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Realtek ALC270A GR but not Wrestler HDMI Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 driver covers Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 14" 1366 x 768 - f9 f10 - external battery - 2 stacked ddr3l sodimm slots max 16Gb under one base plate - removable keyboard - |- | <!--Name-->HP G6 2000-2b10NR 2000-2d10SX 2000-2d80NR || <!--Chipset-->AMD very slow E1-2000 E2-3000M on A50M (soldered) A4-3305A on A60M (socket) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2.5in || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD Radeon 6320, 6620G, 6520G, 6480G, 6380G}} || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{No| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek 100 1000}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 39.6-cm (15.6-in) HD LED BrightView (1366×768) - 1 or 2 ddr3l max 8G - 19VDC 3.42A Max 65W Tip 7.4mm x 5.0mm - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 6465B || <!--Chipset-->AMD massively slow A6-3310MX or A6-3410MX with A60M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD 6480G or 6520G}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|IDT 92HD81B1X}} || <!--USB-->{{No| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek 8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel AC 6205 or broadcom 4313 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 13-inch or 14-inch runs hot - |- | <!--Name-->HP Elitebook 8470p 8570p || <!--Chipset-->Intel Quad i7-3840QM, i7-3610QM, i7-3520M, i5-3210M, i3-3130M, i3-2370M on Intel QM77 chipset || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|set the bios boot options to not fastboot and drive mode IDE rather than AHCI }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for HD4000 with some having switchable Radeon M2000 or 7570M}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio for IDT codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel 82579LM }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel, Broadcom, Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro-->64 bit boots from CD* if safe mode 2 is used, although it is possible to remove the 'nodma' and 'debug' entries and boot || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit with SSE4.1 and AVX - 14in 1600 x 900 to 1366 x 768 - 2 DDR3L sodimm slots max 16Gb - TPM 1.2 - dual boot 32/64 bit is working fine - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 6475b, Probook 4445s 4545s, HP Pavilion 15-b115sa, [https://support.hp.com/gb-en/document/c04015674#AbT6 HP mt41 Mobile Thin Client PC] || <!--Chipset-->AMD very slow A4 4300M, A6 4400M 4455M or A8 4500M with AMD A70M A76M FCH || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 7420 7520G 7640G 7660G}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio with idt or realtek codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek RTL8151FH-CG}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 6205 or Broadcom BCM 43228 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 15.6-inch - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->HP ENVY 15-k112nl K1Y78EA || <!--Chipset-->Intel® Core™ i7 i7-4510U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->Intel HD4400 and/without NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 850M || <!--Audio-->{{maybe| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwood usb3 test iso || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - 15.6" 768p to 1080p - 19.5V 3.33A (65w) 4.62A (90W) 6.15A (120W) AC - |- | <!--Name-->HP Pavilion Gaming Laptop 15-ak002na || <!--Chipset-->Intel 4 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GTX 950 || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 255 G1, 455 G1 F2P93UT#ABA, 645 G1, Envy 15-j151ea G7V80EA, Envy m6-1310sa (E4R01EA#ABU) || <!--Chipset-->AMD very slow Dual-Core E1-1500, or AMD Quad A4-4300M A8-4500M A10-4600M A4-5150M A6-5350M 2.9Ghz A10-5750M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for 7310, 7420G 7520G 7640G 7660G 8350G 8450G or 8550G, 8650G, 8750G }} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio IDT 92HD91 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|realtek}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 14in and 15in 1366 x 768 - external battery - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots - 19.5v / 4.62A psu runs hot - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 245 G4, 255 G2, 455 G2, 255 G3, 455 G3, 255 G4 80CB, 255 G5 82F6, 355 G2, HP Pavilion 15-p038na 15-g092sa 15-p091sa 15-G094S 15-p144na 15-p142na, 15-Af156sa || <!--Chipset-->AMD very slow A4-5000 A6-5200, E2-6110, E1-6010 E2-2000, E1-2100 E2-3800, A4-6210 A6-6310 A8-6410, E2-7110, A6-7310 A8-7410 APU on A68M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata some with cdrw dvdrw || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon R2 R4 R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio ALC3201-GR}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8102E or Atheros 1GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Qualcomm Atheros AR9565}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit most have SSE4 AVX but E2-2000 does not - 15.6-inch (1366 x 768) - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots - small 31Whr or 41Whr external battery covers 240 G4, 245 G4, 250 G4, 255 G4, 256 G4, 14G, 15G - keyboard repair swap requires removal of all components - |- | <!--Name-->HP Elitebook 725 G2, 745 G2, 755 G2 || <!--Chipset-->Amd Quad very slow A6-7050B A8-7150B 1.9GHz A10-7350B || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA on AMD R4 R5 Radeon R6 with DP and vga}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD audio with IDT 92HD91}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 PCIe GBE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom or Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 12.5-inch, 14" or 15.6in (all 1366 x 768) - 19.5V 65w 45W AC adapter - internal pull up tab battery under base which slides off - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots - keyboard swap requires removal of all components - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 645 g2, Probook 445 G2, Probook 245 G2 most have cmos rtc battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD very slow A6-8600 A8-8700 a10- || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Radeon R5 R6}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel I219V 100/1000}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel or Qualcomm Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 14in and 15.6-inch HD (1366 x 768) or FHD 1080p - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots max 16GB - internal battery - hp ac psu tip - |- | <!--Name-->HP Probook 455 G3 should have a cmos battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD slow A10-8700P || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 2.5in sata and most should have 9.5mm dvd-rw || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Radeon R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with Conexant CX7501 codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111HSH-CG}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|RTL8188EE }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP Elitebook 725 G3, 745 G3, 755 G3, 725 G4, 745 G4, 755 G4, HP mt43 || <!--Chipset-->Amd slow A8-8600B, A10-8700B, A12-8800B to Quad A8 Pro 9600B to A10 9800 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA on AMD R5 R6 R7 with DP and vga but screen is low res, dull colours, and blurry}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD audio with IDT codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom 5762 PCIe GBE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek RTL8723BE-VB}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 12.5-inch (1366 x 768) to 14" and 15.6in - 2 sodimm ddr3 - 19.5V 45W AC slim 4.5mm hp adapter - randomly shuts down and the noisy fans constantly on - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 645 G3, 655 G3 should have a cmos rtc battery underside of mb || <!--Chipset-->AMD 8th Gen slow A10-8730B, A8-9600B (4c4t) A6-8530B (2c2t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d for AMD R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel or Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 15.6in - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - keyboard repair swap requires removal of all components - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 250 G5 easy cmos and external main battery || <!--Chipset-->Intel i7-6500U, i5-6200U, i3-6100U to slow i3-6006U, N3710 all sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2D for iGPU Intel HD405 to HD520 dGPU skylake or AMD Radeon R5 430M}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek ALC3227 (or ALC282) codec 0x0282 }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' latest usb3 test iso with noacpi || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 15.6 inch 768p - HP ac psu - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 250 G6 SL52 LA-E801P - easy cmos battery and external battery || <!--Chipset-->Intel dual core tested '''i5-7200U''' untested i7-7500U to very slow N3060 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|ahci on M.2 sata or 2.5in sata3 whichever installed with 1 m.2 sata3 permanent and internal dvdrw}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|IG: 480p to 1080p 2D for Intel Intel HD Graphics 620 kabylake or AMD Radeon 520}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio 0x8086, 0xa170 or 0x8086, 0x9dc8 with ALC3227 aka ALC282 codec 0x10EC, x0282}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|intel sunrise point-lp USB3.0 xHCI}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RTL8821CE or Intel wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' latest usb3 D03 test iso with noacpi || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit 768p or 1080p - 19.5V 65W - 2 DDR4 sodimm slots max 16Gb - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - poor hinges and build quality - |- | <!--Name-->HP Pavilion 14-BS, HP 15-BS LA-E802P cmos battery and external battery || <!--Chipset-->Intel i3-7200U to slow Celeron || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata 2.5in (possibly requires the drive cable and M.2 sata3, most have no cdrw dvdrw}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d for Intel}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x8086, 0x9d70 with ALC codec 0x10EC, x0}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RTL8188CTV, RTL8821CE or Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 3168}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' latest usb3 test iso || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit 768p all - 19.5V 65W - DDR4 slot max 8Gb - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->HP 14-bw022na - cmos coin battery and external battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD very slow A6-9120 APU || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->m.2 sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for R3}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HDAudio VOID with conexant CX7501 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 not working but port on the right works}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' latest usb3 test iso with noacpi || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit 768p to 900p - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP Probook 455 G4, Probook 455 G5, cmos battery on underside of mb take off back cover and below wifi card || <!--Chipset-->AMD very slow A10-9600P APU, A9-9410, A6-9210 APU || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon R4, R5 or R6}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|realtek 1GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|realtek or intel Wireless-AC 7265}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit 15.6in 768p - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - keyboard swap problematic - rr03xl battery - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 255 G6 (), easy cmos and external battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD very slow E2-9000e, A9-9420, 9220P, A4-9125 (all 2c) AMD A6-9225 AMD A9-9425 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata 2.5in (possibly requires the drive cable and M.2 sata3 and internal cdrw dvdrw}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d for R2 R3 R4}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x1022, 0x157a or 0x1002, 0x15b3 with ALC codec 0x10EC, x0}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RTL8188CTV, RTL8821CE or Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 3168}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit 768p all - 19.5V 65W - DDR4 slot max 8Gb - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 255 G7 (la-g078p) - no cmos battery so needs internal battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD very slow E2-9000e, A9-9420, 9220P, A4-9125 (all 2c) AMD A6-9225 AMD A9-9425 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata 2.5in (possibly requires the drive cable and M.2 sata3, most have no internal cdrw dvdrw}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d for R2 R3 R4}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x1022, 0x157a or 0x1002, 0x15b3 with ALC codec 0x10EC, x0}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RTL8188CTV, RTL8821CE or Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 3168}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit 768p all - 19.5V 65W - DDR4 slot max 8Gb - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->ProBook 245 g8 - no cmos rtc coin battery but uses internal battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD very slow A6-9225, A4-9125, A6-8350B, A4-5350B APU || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->m.2 sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA R4 R6}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HDAudio}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' latest usb3 test iso || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit 768p - many later variants - keyboard swap problematic - |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Probook 255 G7 84AE 7DE72EA 7DE73EA (epv51 la-g076p) - CMOS Error (502) replace main internal battery HT03XL to have bios remember settings || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 2200U 2300U (2c4t), R5 2500U, R7 2700U (4c8t) Raven Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|M.2 (Sata or NVMe) and very optional 2.5in sata, most have mini sata port}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d 640p to 768p for AMD Vega 3, 6, or 8}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio 0x1022, 0x15e3 with ALC236 0x10ec, 0x0236 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek RTL8821CE, 8822BE or Intel AC 8265}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS x64 deadwoods' iso does not boot with cd/dvd and installed to 2.5in ssd, boots to grub choice, select but no further and reboots || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit - 12.5 to 15.6in 768p mostly to 1080p - 1 on smaller laptops or 2 ddr4 2400mhz sodimm slots on larger laptops max 16Gb - hp 4.5mm blue tip charging - keyboard swap problematic - esc boot options f9 boot order f10 bios - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteBook 725 G5, 735 G5, 745 G5, 755 G5, Probook 455 G6, ProBook 645 G6 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 2200U 2300U (2c4t), R5 2500U, R7 2700U (4c8t) Raven Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|M.2 (Sata or NVMe) and very optional 2.5in sata, some have mini sata port but no cdrw dvdrw}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d 640p to 768p for AMD Vega 3, 6, or 8}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x1022, 0x15e3 with ALC 0x10ec, 0x0 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek RTL8821CE, 8822BE or Intel AC 8265}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit - 12.5 to 15.6in 768p mostly to 1080p - 1 on smaller laptops or 2 ddr4 2400mhz sodimm slots on larger laptops max 16Gb - hp 4.5mm blue tip charging - keyboard swap problematic - esc boot options f9 boot order f10 bios - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->HP 14-cm, 15-bw0, HP 15-db0043na, HP 15-db0996na, HP 15-db0997na, 17-ca0007na, 17-ca1, ProBook 645 G4 - no cmos battery || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 2200U (2c 4t) 2500U (4c 8t) with AMD Carrizo FCH 51 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|1 M.2 and 1 2.5in on some larger models and hdd port }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon R5 and later Vega 3 or 7}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDaudio 0x1002, 0x103c or 0x1022, 0x157a with Realtek ALC3227 0x10ec, 0x0282 but ATI HDMI}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|USB3 USB boot drive stuck on kitty's eyes}} || <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 RTL8111E || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RTL 8723DE 8821 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->2020 Icaros 2.3 USB, Deadwoods' latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit 2kg - screen is dim 14in, 15.6in or 17.3" 768p or 1080p - 65W 19.5V ac adapter - internal 3-cell 41 Wh Li-ion battery does not last long - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - no DVD-Writer - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 250 G7, 250 G8 - no cmos battery so needs internal battery and needs usb3 boot due to garbage bios boot options || <!--Chipset-->Intel 8235U 8265U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|M.2 nvme not working, optional sata 2.5in requires LS-G072P and ribbon cable, if internal cdrw dvdrw partial boot}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Intel Whiskey Lake-U 620 GT2 UHD}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x8086, 0xa170 or 0x8086, 0x9dc8 with ALC236 codec 0x10EC, x0236}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|Cannon Point-LP USB3.1 xHCI}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RTL8821CE or Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 3168}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' latest usb3 test 2026.09.D01 iso works but does not boot stuck on kittys eyes if burnt to dvdr || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit 1080p all - 19.5V 65W - DDR4 slot max 16Gb - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - f9 boot order f10 uefi - |- | <!--Name-->HP 255 G7 7DC73EA 2D200EA 87CE (fpp55 la-g07jp), - CMOS Error (502) replace 41.04Wh ht03xl hto3xl dynapack suzhou main battery to have bios remember settings || <!--Chipset-->'''tested''' R5 3500U (4c8t) '''untested''' mostly dual cores - AMD Athlon Gold 3150U (2c2t), Silver 3050U APU (2c2t), Ryzen 3 Pro 3145U APU, 3200U (2c4t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|1 m.2 NVMe or sata3 up to 2280, optional 2.5in sata, many have mini-sata slimline 6+7 internal port but no physical 9mm drive}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D from 640p to 1080p for AMD Vega 3, 6 or 8 with up to 2gb ram taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio 0x1022, 0x15e3 with realtek ALC236 codec 0x10ec, 0x0236}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 but no usb-c}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek GbE RTL8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek 8822BE}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 Aros One 32bit and 64bit usb works sometimes but burnt dvdr iso does not fully boot (stuck on kitty's eyes) || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14in / 15.6in dim tn panel 768p or 1080p - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots max 16gb - hp 19.5V 45W 65W AC blue tip round 4.5 mm - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - caps lock blinking 3 times then 2 quick pulses means ram or bios issue - f9 boot order f10 uefi - laptop needs usb3 to boot |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 450 G5 needs main battery for bios settings saved || <!--Chipset-->Intel i7-8550U, i5-8250U, i3-8130U, i7-7500U, i5-7200U, i3-7100U, i3-7020, i3-6006U all sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2D for Intel UHD}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' latest usb3 test iso with noacpi || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 15.6 inch 768p or 1080p - HP ac psu, 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - |- | <!--Name-->[https://support.hp.com/gb-en/document/c06955717 ProBook 245 g8], Probook 445R G6, 455R G6, HP14-dk0599sa, pavilion 15-cw1511na 15-cw1507sa, HP 15s-eq1516sa no cmos battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon Gold 3150U (2c2t), Silver 3050U APU (2c2t), Ryzen 3 Pro 3145U APU, 3200U (2c4t) and 3500U (4c8t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|1 m.2 (NVMe or sata3 up to 2280), optional 2.5in sata but resets}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D from 640p to 1080p for AMD Vega 3, 6 or 8 with up to 2gb ram taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio 0x1022, 0x15e3 with realtek ALC codec 0x10ec, 0x0}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek GbE RTL8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek 8822BE}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aros || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14in / 15.6in dim tn panel 768p or 1080p - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots max 16gb - hp 19.5V 45W 65W AC blue tip round 4.5 mm - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - f9 boot order f10 uefi |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 450 G6 needs main battery for bios settings saved || <!--Chipset-->Intel i7-8565U, i5-8265U, i3-8165U all sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2D for Intel UHD 620}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek ALC3246 aka ALC295 codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 15.6 inch 768p or 1080p - 45W 19.5V HP ac psu - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->Elitebook 735 G6 5VA23AV, Elitebook 745 G6, 255 g8, HP 15s-dy - no cmos battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD® Ryzen™ 5-3500U Ryzen 3-3300U AMD Ryzen 3-3250U AMD Athlon® Gold 3150U AMD Athlon Silver 3050U AMD 3020e || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|m.2 2280 nvme in legacy - hp sure start and secure boot disabled but still issues with gpt installs - LS-H323P LS-K201P}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Vega 8, 5 or 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 6.34 ahi with realtek ALC codec 0x10EC, 0x0295}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 type-A port boots stick partially to kitty eyes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|rtl8169 realtek RTL8111E or 8111H}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|realtek or intel}} || <!--Test Distro-->2020 Icaros 2.3 onto USB and AROS One 1.8 USB, Deadwoods' latest usb3 test iso with noacpi || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 15.6in 1366x768 to 1920x1080 - 2 3200MHz DDR4 sodimms - 19.5V 2.31A or 20V 2.25 45W 4.5X3.0MM hp - esc bios setup, f9 boot device select - low travel keyboard - poor hw03xl or battery life - plastic hooked base with retained screws - touchpad? - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 445 G7, 455 G7 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 4300U 5 4500U 4700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 sata and 1 nvme || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with realtek alc236 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|realtek rtl8111ep}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|realtek RTL8822CE or intel AC 9260 or Wi-Fi 6 AX200}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' latest usb3 test iso || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 14 inch 768p or 1080p - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - smart 45w 65w hp or usb-c charging - keyboard swap problematic - RE03XL battery - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 450 G7 || <!--Chipset-->Intel || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2D for Intel UHD}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111EP}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' latest usb3 test iso with noacpi || <!--Comments-->2020 15.6 inch 768p or 1080p - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteBook 745 G7, 845 G7, HP 15-EH0006NA || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 4300U, 5 4500U, PRO 4650U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->SSD M.2 || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD Radeon Vega 8}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|Hdaudio with codec 0x10EC, 0x0257}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 15.6in 1080p - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - Bang & Olufsen speakers - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 255 G8, HP 245 G9, ProBook 255 G9 816C2EA#ABE, - no cmos battery only internal battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD RYZEN 3 5300u, 5425U, 5 5500U 5625U, 7 5700u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|NVMe}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD Vega 6 or 8 hdmi 1.4B}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111HSH-CG GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8822CE or Intel}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 14" to 15.6in 768p to 1080p poor gamut - 45 or 65w hp psu - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots max 16GB - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 450 G9 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2D for Intel Iris Xe}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111H}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 15.6 inch - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteBook 645 g7, 835 G8, 845 g8, HP ENVY x360 13 15, HP 17-cp0021na || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 5650U, 7 5800U, R7 Pro 5850U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD Radeon}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio 0x, 0x with ALC3247 aka ALC236 codec 0x10ec, 0x0236}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek 1Gbe on 645 only}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 13.3" or 14" 1080p - poor screens low nits and srgb score - 845 gets hot ue to poor cooling - slim round hp ac - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP Dev One, HP ProBook 455 G8 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 7 5800U, R7 5850U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit 15.6" 1080p - 2 internal sodimm slots - hp barrel charging - |- | <!--Name-->Elitebook 655 g9 669y1ut#aba, || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 5675U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit 15.6" 1080p - 1 or 2 internal sodimm slots - usb-c charging - |- | <!--Name-->HP probook 635 Aero G8 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 5600U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2921 64bit - 14in 1080p - 2 ddr4 slots - ec chip nuvoton NPCX797HA1B - bios winbond 250256JYEN - |- | <!--Name-->HP PROBOOK X360 435 G8 cmos battery || <!--Chipset-->RYZEN 5 5600U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2D }} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HDaudio with ALC236 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|RTL8822CE or Intel AX200}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - hp round ac plug - |- | <!--Name-->HP Elitebook 845 g9 || <!--Chipset-->AMD 6000 series 6850u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->M.2 NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 8}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }}Qualcomm Atheros || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit aluminum case - 14in 1080p to 2140p 16:10 poor screen again - 2 internal ddr5 sodimm slots - usb-c ac charging avoid any knocks - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 445 G10, 455 G10 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 7530U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Vega 7 || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 15.6in - hp round ac - |- | <!--Name-->Hp 455 G11 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 7335U (4c8t), 5 7535U (6c12t), 7 7735U (8c16t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Vega 7 || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 35.6 cm (14.0 in) 1920x1200 or 2560x1600 - usb-c 45w or 65w ac - 2 ddr5 sodimm slots max 32gb - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |} ====IBM/Lenovo==== [[#top|...to the top]] Build quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > iSeries Edge Ideapad Thinkpad - good cases and construction but electronic internals same as anyone else </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad 390X 390E (2626) || <!--Chipset-->Neo Magic MM2200 with C400 P2-266 to P3 500MHz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use VESA || <!--Audio-->{{No|256AV or ESS Solo-1}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad 600x || <!--Chipset-->Intel 440BX || <!--IDE-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Neomagic NM2360 MagicMedia 256ZX}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|Crystal CS4297A codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.3.1 || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit a little support - earlier 600 and 600e were Pentium 2 based |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X20 (2662-32U) X21 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 440 BX ZX DX || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio-->{{no|AC97 with Cirrus Logic Crystal cs4281}} || <!--USB-->1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->no mini pci intel e100 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit |- | Thinkpad T20 (2647) T21 (26) T22 || 440BX || {{Maybe| }} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|Savage IX-MV (VESA only)}} || {{no|Cirrus Logic CS 4614/22/ 24/30}} || {{yes|USB 1.1}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2002 32bit |- | <!--Name-->A21e (2628, 2655) A22e || <!--Chipset-->440MX || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Ati rage mobility || <!--Audio-->{{no|AC97 Cs4299 CS4229}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->intel e100 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2002 |- | Thinkpad T23 (2647) || i810 || {{yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|S3 Super Savage IX/C SDR (VESA only)}} || {{maybe|AC'97 CS4299}} || {{yes|USB 1.1}} || {{yes|Intel ICH3 PRO 100 VE}} || {{no|Realtek RTL8180L others with bios hacking risky}} || || 2003 32bit with some support |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X22 X23 X24 || <!--Chipset-->830 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ATi Mobility M6 LY || <!--Audio-->Ac97 CS4299 || <!--USB-->2 x 1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->Intel Pro 100 || <!--Wireless-->Actiontec Harris Semi Intersil Prism 2.5 (X23 and X24 only) || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit with slice Ultrabase X2 - |- | <!--Name-->A30 A30p || <!--Chipset-->830 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Ati Radeon M6 || <!--Audio-->AC97 CS 4299 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel Pro 100 ve || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 2200 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit |- | <!--Name-->A31 A31p R31 R32 T30 || <!--Chipset-->830 || <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Gfx-->Ati Radeon 7500 or FireGL || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 Intel with AD1881A codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes| Intel Pro 100 ve}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->[https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Android-Ecosystem-Developers/AROS-An-operation-system-inside-Android/td-p/1441741 Icaros 1.5.2] || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit Also tested with Icaros 2.0.3. |- | Thinkpad X30 (2673) X31 (2884-xx2) X31t || i830 || {{yes}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|VESA only Radeon M6 Mobility}} || {{yes|AC97 - AD1981B codec}} || {{yes|USB 1.1}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || {{no|Cisco Aironet or Intel 2915 but atheros with bios hacking}} || Icaros 1.4 || 2004 32bit sound bit distorted |- | <!--Name-->R50e R51 || <!--Chipset-->855M || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Intel 855M use VESA}} || <!--Audio-->intel AC97 with AD1981B codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Intel 100 VE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit - |- | IBM Thinkpad T40 (2373) T41 T41p (2379) T42 T42p T43 T43p || Intel 8xx || {{partial|PIO}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|ATI mobility 7500 9000 (VESA only)}} || {{yes|AC97 playback}} || {{yes|uhci 1.1 and ehci 2.0}} || {{no|e1000}} || {{Maybe|Intel 2200bg bios locked but possible AR5BMB-44 AR5212 FRU 39T0081 mini PCI}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2004 32bit 16v IBM plug - Centrino Needs ATA=nodma option - issues with the inner chip of the SMT BGA graphics chip |- | Thinkpad X32 || i855 || {{yes|40, 60 or 80GB 2.5" PATA HDD}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|VESA only ATI Mobility Radeon 7000 with 16MB}} || {{maybe| Intel AC'97 Audio with a AD1981B codec}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{no|Intel 1000}} || {{no|Intel 2200 but atheros with bios hacking}} || 2016 Icaros 2.1 || 2004 32bit - 12.1" TFT display with 1024x768 resolution; 256 or 512MB PC2700 memory standard (2GB max) |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X40 X40t by Quanta || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Intel 800 (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 AD1981B}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel e1000}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Intel but most atheros with bios hacking - difficult though}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit last IBM design |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X41 (IBM) MT 1864 1865 2525 2526 2527 2528 x41t (Lenovo) MT 1866 1867 || <!--Chipset-->Intel with single core 1.5 1.6 and tablet 1.2GHz || <!--IDE-->{{yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel 915GML 2D}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 AD1981B}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5751M tg3}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Intel or MiniPCI Wi-Fi Atheros AR5BMB FRU 39T0081 but ordinary atheros 54meg needs risky bios hacking}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit - amongst first Lenovo design - 3pin cmos - |- | <!--Name-->R52 (most 18xx) || <!--Chipset-->Intel 915 || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel 915GML 2D}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 AD1981B}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit |- | <!--Name-->R52 1846, 1847, 1848, 1849, 1850, 1870 || <!--Chipset-->ATi 200m || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{No|ATI}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 AD1981B}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5751M tg3}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad T60 T60P * 64bit - 6 or 8 is 16:10 on T60/p, eg. 8742-CTO 15.4" * 32bit - 1 and 2 are 14", 15" 4:3, like 2007-YM3 or 1952-CTO || <!--Chipset-->*any* T60/p will take a Core 2 Duo CPU with newer BIOS || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA (2D) with "p" graphics card (ATi V5200 or V5250) || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || {{no|e1000e 82573L}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel ipw3945 ABG but atheros with Middleton's or Zender BIOS hacking risky}} || Icaros 1.4 || <!--Comments-->2006 - |- | <!--Name-->X60 x60s x60t tablet || <!--Chipset-->945GMS 940GML || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|AD1981 HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel 3945 ABG or fru 39T5578 Atheros 5K AR5BXB6 ar5007eg with bios hacking}} || <!--Comments-->Icaros 1.4 || 2006 32bit - perhaps needs a zendered bios update but risky |- | <!--Name-->R60 R60e || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->intel 950 with optional radeon x1300 x1400 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with 1981HD codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel or Broadcom || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Intel 3945 or atheros fru 39T5578 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit |- | Thinkpad T61 T61p without Middleton's or Zender BIOS || Core 2 Duo CPU T7300 T8300 || {{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || Intel GMA (2D), NVS 140m or Quadro FX 570M () || {{maybe|HD Audio with Analog Devices AD1984 or AD1984A HD Audio Codec routed to the line output}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || {{no|intel e1000e 82573L}} || {{No|Intel but atheros with bios hacking risky}} || Icaros 1.6, AROS One || 2007 64bit |- | <!--Name-->X61 x61s X61T Tablet || <!--Chipset-->Core Duo T8100 on i965 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 3100 (2D) slow 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|AD1984 HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82566DM}} || <!--Wireless-->{{maybe|Atheros AR5212 (some revisions use Intel WLAN runs very hot) bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->2007 64bit ultrabook running very hot - ddr2 max 4gb - 3pin cmos - |- | <!--Name-->R61 R61i || <!--Chipset-->Intel 965 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->intel 965 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with conexant codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom BCM5787M || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit |- | Lenovo 3000 N200 || <!--Chipset-->Santa Rosa || {{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || {{yes|Geforce 7300 (2D)}} || {{yes|ALC262 HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || {{no|Broadcom}} || {{no|Intel 3945 bios locked}} || Icaros 1.4 || 2007 64bit 3D graphics parts are supported but buggy. |- | Lenovo 3000 N200 / V200 || GM965 ICH9-M with Intel Mobile Core 2 Duo T5450 || {{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || {{yes|X3100 (2D)}} || {{Maybe|HD Audio ALC269VB or CX20549}} || {{yes| }} || {{no|BCM5906M}} || {{no|Intel 3965 / 4965AGN bios locked}} || Icaros 1.4.1 2.1 || 2007 64bits of laptop works |- | <!--Name-->X300 || <!--Chipset-->Core 2 Duo Merom SL7100 1.2GHz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1.8 inch || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Intel X3100}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio AD1984A || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 4965 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit 13.3" TFT 1440x900 (WXGA+) with LED backlight |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad Edge 11″ AMD K325 || <!--Chipset-->M880G || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA for ATI HD4200}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|8192CE (Realtek 8176) bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 little support |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X301 || <!--Chipset-->Core 2 Duo Penryn SU9400 Su9600 with GM45 chipset || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1.8 inch micro SATA (uSATA) || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Intel X4500}} || <!--Audio-->AD1984A || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 5xxx WiFi link 5100, 5150, 5300 and 5350 (WiMAX) bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 WXGA+ (1440×900) LED backlight display - 2774 or 4057 Alps and 2776 Synaptics touchpad - optical bay interface is Legacy IDE (PATA) - Addonics ADMS18SA, Lycom ST-170m |- | <!--Name-->X100e || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon Neo Single-Core (MV-40) and dual cores || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|2.5in tray in ide mode in bios}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa ATI HD3200}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio with CX20582 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek r8192se bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit 11.6in 1366 x 768 - 20v 65W round barrel - enter f1 setup f11 diagnostics f12 boot list - runs very warm - |- | <!--Name-->SL400 SL500 || Intel || {{N/A}} || {{Yes|IDE mode}} || {{Maybe|Nvidia 9400M}} || {{Maybe|ALC269}} || {{yes|USB 2.0}} || {{Maybe|RTL8169}} || {{Maybe| bios locked}} || || |- | <!--Name-->SL410 SL510 || 965 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|IDE mode}} || {{maybe|Intel GMA X4500M (some 2D)}} || {{yes|HD Audio with ALC269 codec - speaker and ear phones}} || {{yes|USB 2.0}} || {{yes|RTL8169}} || {{Maybe| bios locked}} || [http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=645774&postcount=28 Icaros 1.3] || 2009 64bit SL-410 |- | <!--Name-->T400 ODM Wistron || <!--Chipset-->i || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Intel 4500MHD works limited 2d no 3d - optional switchable Nvidia or ATi HD3470 untested}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with Codec CX20561 (T400)}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel e1000e}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel Wifi Link 5100 (AGN) half height card with FRU 43Y6493 or 5300 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit 20v lenovo plug - non-free firmware required iwlwifi |- | <!--Name-->T400s || <!--Chipset-->i || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VSEA for Intel 4500MHD works limited 2d no 3d}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with CX20585}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel e1000e}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel Wifi Link 5100 (AGN) half height card with FRU 43Y6493 or 5300 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit non-free firmware required iwlwifi |- | <!--Name-->Lenovo T500 T510 || <!--Chipset-->i || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA for switchable Intel / AMD HD 3640}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|Intel HD Audio with a CX20561 (t500) and CX20585 (T510) codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel or Lenovo branded unit Atheros AR5007EG AR5BHB63 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit |- | <!--Name-->X200 ODM Wistron [http://itgen.blogspot.co.uk/2008/12/installing-arch-linux-on-lenovo.html X200s] and x200t tablet model without [http://fsfe.soup.io/post/590865884/the-unconventionals-blog-English-Flashing-Libreboot-on Risky flash of the Libreboot BIOS] || <!--Chipset-->GM45 GS45 with slow Celeron, SU or faster SL Core 2 Duos CPUs || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe||Intel GMA 4500 MHD 2D but slow software 3D tunnel 10 gearbox 8 tests}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel HD Audio with Conexant CX20561 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{{Yes|USB 2.0 USB SD card reads and writes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82567LM Gigabit}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel Pro 5100 5150 5300 5350 AGN due to whitelist prevention bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.0.1 || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit 12.1" CCFL (webcam version) or LED backlit (no webcam). no support for 54mm express cards or Authentec 2810 fingerprint reader - thinkpoint only no trackpad - 3pin cmos - |- | <!--Name-->Lenovo T410 T410s T410si || <!--Chipset-->qm57 with i5 m || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|use vesa Intel 5700MHD (Ironlake) core processor igp with optional Nvidia Quadro NVS 3100M}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio Conexant CX20585 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82577lm gigabit}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Intel n 6200 or Atheros AR9280 AR5BHB92 half size minipcie bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.2 xmas || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit battery life much lower with Nvidia graphics version - no support firewire ricoh r5c832 - ricoh sd card - series 5 3400 |- | <!--Name-->X201 X201s x201t || <!--Chipset-->QM57 Core i3 370m, i5 M520 2.4GHz or i7 620LM 2.0GHz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|vesa 2d on Intel GMA HD}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel HD with [https://ae.amigalife.org/index.php?topic=94.0 Conexant 20585] codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2010 X201 arrandale power consumption limits battery life to 3-4 hours for 48Whr though to 6 on 72Whr - 12.5" WXGA - 3pin cmos - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Ideapad B470, B570, V370, V470, V570 || <!--Chipset-->Intel® Core™ i5 i5-2430M, i5-2450M, || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d for Intel || <!--Audio-->HDaudio 0x8086, 0x1c20 with codec || <!--USB-->USB3 || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|whitelisted}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - 14in or 15.6in 768p - |- | <!--Name-->T420 type 4180 4236, t420s , T520 4239 L520 || <!--Chipset-->i5 2540, 2520 or i7 2860QM 2620 has sse4.1 avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS but not AHCI}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 136 x 768 - Intel HD 3000 with optional NVS 4200M Nvidia optimus or Radeon HD 565v }} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio playback ear phones only with Conexant CX20672 codec - AHI 6.27}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel PRO 1000 82579LM}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek 1x1, Intel Ultimate-N 6205 6250 2x2 6300 3x3 all bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.2.2 add noacpi to grub boot options || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - screen 1600x900 or 1366x768 - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots max 16gb - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad W520 || <!--Chipset--> has sse4.1 avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Intel HD 3000 with nvidia quadro 1000m 2000m optimus issues with Nvidia Intel hybrids}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel Hd with CX 20585 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel 82579 Lm}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 6000s}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - 15.6" TFT display with 1366x768 (HD), 1600x900 (HD+) or 1920x1080 (FHD) resolution with LED backlight |- | <!--Name-->X220 x220t || <!--Chipset-->QM67 express, dual i5 2520M or i7 dual 2620M sse4.1 avx support || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS but not AHCI}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D 1024 x 768 for Intel HD Graphics 3000}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Intel HD playback with Conexant 20672 codec ear phones and speaker - AHI 6.27 6.34}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel 82579LM}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6205 Wi-Fi bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3, Aros One USB 1.6 || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit possible - uses slimmer 7 mm storage sata devices - NEC USB 3.0 on i7's - unwanted trackpad gestures when palms rests on it - 2 ddr3 sodimm slots - external battery - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X120e, x121e Quanta FL8A DAFL8AMB8D0 Rev D || <!--Chipset-->Hudson M1 with slow AMD E350 has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA ATI 0x9802}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ATI SBx00 Azalia HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->USB 2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->RTL8169 RTL8111 || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom 0x0576 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit 11.6 inch screen - 1 inch think - chiclet keyboard |- | <!--Name-->Ideapad S205 G575 G585, Edge 11 E325 || <!--Chipset-->Slow E-350 later E-450 with A75 or AMD Athlon II Neo has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA HD6310}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - removeable and plug in battery - 2pin CR2032 CMOS battery - |- | <!--Name-->Ideapad S206 || <!--Chipset-->AMD E300 1.3GHZ Dual has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel HD Audio with CX20672 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|3.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom 10/100 || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 11.6" and integrated battery - Conexant® |- | <!--Name-->Lenovo x130e or x131e edu || <!--Chipset-->Slow AMD E-300 or E-450 has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon HD 6310 or 6320 }} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio Realtek ALC269VC / ALC3202 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|USB 30 and USB 20}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek RTL8111 RTL8168B}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8188CE or Broadcom BCM43228 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - rubber edged bumper for K12 education market - 2pin CR2032 CMOS battery - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad Edge E135 E335 || <!--Chipset-->amd dual E-300, E2-1800 or E2-2000 slow atom like A68M FCH has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|SATA 3.0Gb/s 2.5" wide 7mm high}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA radeon 6310 or 7340 vga or hdmi}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HDAudio with Realtek ALC3202 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|2 usb3, 1 powered usb2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 8111f}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek WLAN whitelist bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 11.6 inch to 13.3in 1366x768 - Acrylonitrile-Butadiene-Styrene (ABS) plastic case - external battery - 20v 65w lenovo barrel ac - 2 ddr3 sodimm 8Gb max - |- | <!--Name-->ThinkPad Edge E525 E535 LENOVO IDEAPAD Z575 || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-3420M A8-3500M later A8-4500M has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD 6620G later 7640G}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with Conexant codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|USB2 but not usb3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek 8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 15.6in 1368 x 768 matt - 65W 20v lenovo round psu - thick desktop replacement - ThinkPad Edge E520 E520S E525 E530 E545 E535 E530C Laptop Keyboard swap - |- | <!--Name-->T430 t430i T530 || <!--Chipset-->ivy bridge i5 3320 3230m on Intel QM77 has sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 1366 x 768 for Intel HD 4000 with optional Nvidia 5400M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel HD with Realtek ALC3202 aka ALC269VC codec playback ear head phones - HDA 6.27}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB 2 ports and usb2.0 devices thru usb 3.0 ports}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel e1000}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Intel or Atheros AR9285 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit fan noise and chiclet keyboard, synaptics trackpad - HD+ 768p - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X230 x230t || <!--Chipset-->Intel QM67 express i5 has sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel HD with ALC269 aka ALC3202}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|I}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit - 12.2 in 1366 x 768 - 2 ddr3 sodimm slots - external battery - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad T440 t440s t440p T540 L440 L540 || <!--Chipset-->intel haswell 8 series Core i3 to i7 has sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA - Intel 4600 or Nvidia}} || <!--Audio-->Intel HD with Realtek ALC3232 alc269 codec or ALC292 || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel AC 7260 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - 14 and 15" models with glitchy trackpad and no physical buttons - keyboard repair not easy as well as 4 variants of key caps - 2pin CR2032 CMOS battery - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X240 x240t ultrabook TN (20AL0081GE), HD IPS display without touch (20AL007NGE) and touch (20AL0076GE) but all 65% sRGB || <!--Chipset-->haswell i7-4600U i5 4200U 4210U 4300U i3-4100U - two batteries, one internal 3cell 45N1110 (45N1111) or 45N1112 (FRU 45N1113) and external 3 / 6cell 45N1126 (FRU 45N1127) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2.5in 7mm sata (torq t7), m.2 2242 in WWAN slot (m and b key NGFF Sata) || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA for Intel 4400 for vga or mini-dp}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x8086, 0x0a0c 0x8086, 0x9c20 with Realtek ALC3232 aka ALC292 0x10ec, 0x0292}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel® 82577LM Gigabit (Hanksville) }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Intel 7260n I218-V or I218-LM bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One USB || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - 12.2in 1366 x 768 or 1080p - 1 ddr3l sodimm slot - no keyboard spill drainage and at least 2 variants of key caps - lenovo rectangle pwr ac - TPM 1.2 - Bluetooth 4.0 no support - bottom panel with 8 retained screws - 2pin CR2032 CMOS battery - |- | <!--Name-->ThinkPad Edge E545 * key cap swap with E440 E531 E540 L440 L450 T431S T440S T440P T540 * Keyboard swap L540 T540p W540 Edge E531 E540 W541 T550 W550S L560 P50S T560 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Socket FS1r2 A6-5350M (2c2t) or A8-4500M, A8-5550M, A10-5750M (4c4t) with A76M FCH has sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2.5in 9.5mm - enter UEFI bios with Enter or ESC, config section, sata into compatibility and security, secure boot disabled - mini sata DVD burner PLSD DS8A9SH || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD 7640G, 8450G, 8550G, 8650G ?? Islands}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|VOID for HDAudio 6.34 0x1022, 0x780d with Conexant CX20590 Analog 0x14f1, 0x506e CX20671 codec 0x14f1, 0x5069 or audio over Trinity HDMI}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|boots pen drives from yellow usb port but not from blue USB3 ones, issues with AMD usb3 hardware quirks}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 1GbE 8111F}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM43142 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 2.3 USB works with noacpi added to end of grub2 boot line but not booting on AROS One 64bit 1.1 via usb2 stick or iso burnt to dvd || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit - 15.6in 1366 x 768 matt - 20v 65w 90w round lenovo plug psu - 2 DDR3 SODIMM slots 16GB Max - external 6 Cell Li-Ion Battery 48Wh l11s6y01 45n1043 - 2pin CR2032 CMOS battery in wifi area jp1202 - amd v(tm) virtualization not working - |- |<!--Name-->Y50-70 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 4 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->GTX 860M or GTX 960M || <!--Audio-->HDAudio || <!--USB-->USB3 || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit - |- |<!--Name-->AMD platform codes *Beema: ABM, *Carizzo-L: ACL, *Carizzo: ACZ, *Godavari: AGR, *Kaveri: AKV, *Stoney Ridge: ASR, *Stoney Ridge: AST (NB), || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> *Summit Ridge: ASU, *Bristol Ridge-L: ABL, *Bristol Ridge: ABR, *Raven Ridge: ARR, *Picasso: API |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo ThinkPad P50 || <!--Chipset-->Intel i7-6820HQ || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->Quadro M2000M || <!--Audio-->HDAudio || <!--USB-->USB3 || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->[https://www.laptop-schematics.com/db/78/V%20series%20laptops%20(Lenovo)/ V110-14AST (14in) V110-15AST, V110-14ISK V110-15ISK 80TL (15")], || <!--Chipset-->AMD E1-9000, A6-9210 to A9-9410 all dual core and intel 6006u, 6100u, 6200u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 2.5in sata most 7mm some 9.5mm || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD R2, R3, R5 or R6 or Intel Gfx}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 14in to 15.6in mostly 768p 220 nits - 20v 45W or 65W lenovo slim rectangle end ac - keyboard swap hard - integrated 24WHr battery - 4gb ddr4 ram soldered and 1 2133Mhz ddr4 slot max 12Gb - abs plastic - |- |<!--Name--> *ThinkPad A275 12in (1 ddr4 1866MHz sodimm) *Thinkpad A475 14in (2 ddr4 1866MHz sodimm) - both internal (main) and external (secondary) battery || <!--Chipset-->A10-8730B A10-9700B 2.500Ghz later A12-8830B A12-9800B all 4c4t (AVX2 on 9000s) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|7mm 2.5in sata with mbr and not gpt, setup in another machine - secure boot disabled, bios startup boot set to legacy then uefi - WWAN slot cannot use M.2 2242 sata with M and B key}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD R5 or R7}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 6.34 ahi 0x1022, 0x157a with ALC3268 aka ALC298 codec 0x10ec, 0x0298 - VOID even with QUERY / QUERYD added}} || <!--USB-->{{no|USB3 error on boot suspect AMD usb3 quirk}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 RTL8111EPV}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8822BE WLAN whitelist locked cannot swap}} || <!--Test Distro-->{{maybe|AROSOne USB 32bit 1.8 with noacpi noapic noioapic added to grub2 boot line but Aros One 64bit 1.2 USB has krnPanic }} || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit 12 or 14in 768p - 45W or 65w lenovo rectangle ac adapter - F1 enter bios and F12 boot order - 6 retained screws and snap on base - 2100 error message no solution except using only efi/gpt bios option - |- |<!--Name-->320S-15AST, 320S-15ABR, ideapad Slim 1-11AST-05 81VR || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-9220e, AMD A6-9225, A9-9425, A10-9600P 7th Gen || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata 2.5in}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe| Vesa 2D for AMD}} || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Qualcomm Atheros QCA9377 or Realtek RTL8821CE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit AVX2 - 14in or 15.6" 768p - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo Ideapad S145-14AST S145-15AST 81N3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-9225, A9-9425, A10-9600P 7th Gen, AMD A12-9720P Mobo 5B20P11110 NMB341 Bristol Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata 2.5in}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon 8670A 8670M 8690M GCN 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Qualcomm Atheros QCA9377 or Realtek RTL8821CE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit AVX2 - 14in or 15.6" 768p or 1080p - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo Ideapad V145-14AST V145-15AST, 81mt, Ideapad 310, Ideapad 320-15ABR, Ideapad 330-14AST 330-15AST 330-17AST || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-9225, A9-9425 (2c2t), A10-9600P 7th Gen, AMD A12-9720P Mobo 5B20P11110 NMB341 Bristol Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata 2.5in with optional dvd}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon 8670A 8670M 8690M GCN 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with ALC3240-va3-cg aka ALC236? codec 0x10de, 0x0236}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 8106E 10/100 only}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Qualcomm Atheros QCA9377 or Realtek RTL8821CE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit AVX2 - 14in or 15.6" 768p or 1080p - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 45w 65w slim ac adapter - |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo V330-14ARR 81B1, V330-15ARR 81, 330-14ARR 81 330-15ARR 81D2 - battery internal about 30whr || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen R3 2200U, 2300U or R5 2500U Raven Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->M.2 nvme/sata, optional 2.5in sata but no dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega 3, 6 or 8 up to 1Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x1002, 0x15de with Realtek® ALC5682I-VD codec 0x10de, 0x or coxenant CX11802 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek 1GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14" 768p 20mm thick 1.8kg - 20v 2.25a 45w ac round barrel - chiclet keyboard - 4Gb soldered and 1 ddr4 sodimm - TPM 2.0 in bios - 4GB soldered - |- |<!--Name-->Ideapad 330s-14ARR, 330s-15ARR, ideapad 330S-14IKB, 330S-15IKB, - battery internal about 30whr || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen R3 2200U, 2300U or R5 2500U Raven Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|nvme}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD or Intel 610, 620 up to 1Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14" 20mm thick 1.8kg - 20v 2.25a 45w ac round barrel - chiclet keyboard - 4Gb soldered and 1 ddr4 sodimm - TPM 2.0 in bios - 4GB soldered - |- |<!--Name-->Thinkpad Edge E485 E585 - internal battery only || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen R3 2300U R5 2500U R7 2700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|m.2 nvme optional 1 2.5in sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Vega 3, 8 or 10}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with CX11852 codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111GUS}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14in or 15.6in 768p or 1080p - USB-C 20V 2.25A 3.25A avoid knocking charging port as damages easily - 2 ddr4 sodimm slot max 2400Mhz 32GB - TPM 2.0 software - |- |<!--Name-->Thinkpad A285 - internal and external battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen PRO 3 2200U 5 2500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|m.2 nvme/sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with ALC ALC3287 codec aka ALC257 }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Mini-Ethernet/Docking}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm - WLAN whitelist no more??}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 12.5in 1080p - avoid usb-c port being lifted/moved whilst in use as damages laptop easily - soldered ram 8gb or 16gb - WWAN whitelist - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->Thinkpad A485 bios setting [https://github.com/PSPReverse/PSPTool AMD PSP Platform Security Processor Key] - internal and external battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen PRO 5 2500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata port and m.2 nvme port || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with ALC ALC3287 codec aka ALC 257 }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111GUL}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm wifi - WLAN whitelist no more??}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14in 768p, 1080p or 1440p - avoid usb-c port being lifted/moved whilst in use as damages laptop easily - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots max 32gb - WWAN whitelist - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->[https://www.diy-laptoprepair.com/forum/fix-Lenovo-V155-15-repair-guide-schematics.php Lenovo v155-15api 81V5] V155 (15" AMD) budget all plastic build - MS new protocol, HID over I2C so [https://askubuntu.com/questions/1033033/elantech-touchpad-does-not-work-i2c-hid i2c] [https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/drivers/input/mouse/elantech.c?h=v6.17 i2c] [https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v4.16/input/devices/elantech.html PS2 hybrid trackpad] [https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/tree/sys/dev/atkbdc/psm.c?h=releng/14.3 elantech] [https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/sys/dev/pckbc/?only_with_tag=OPENBSD_7_8_BASE i2c-hid] 04F3:3140 touchpad not working - internal sunwoda battery L18D3PF1, L18L3PF1, L18C3PF2 35Whr most dead after 5 years || <!--Chipset-->'''tested''' Ryzen 5 3500U and Ryzen 3 3200U - '''untested''' AMD Athlon 300U with bios winbond 25q64fwsiq soic 1.8v bios near nvme || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 M.2 nvme and usually 2.5in 7mm sata - install on mbr not gpt 2.5in in another compatible machine - mini sata dvd/cd da-8aesh11b will boot cd or dvd aros || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D to 1080p work for Vega 3 or 8 with up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken but hdmi 1.4b no output}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio add 0x1022, 0x15E3 with ALC3287 aka Realtek ALC257 codec 0x10ec, 0x0257 with 32bit on external speaker and most of the time works on 64bit}} || <!--USB-->{{no|2 USB3.0 usb-a, on left hand side, detected but not working}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 RTL8111GUS works well with 32bit and 64bit}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Intel wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 AROS One 2.8 DVD 32bit and AROS One x64 1.1 and 1.2 iso DVD burnt but not USB boot || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 15.6in 768p or 1080p 200nits tn panel - 4Gb ddr4 2400MHz soldered with 1 dimm slot max 20Gb - round ac 20V 65W psu 4.0mm x 1.7mm - Fn+F2 to enter bios and F12 boot order - no sd card slot - 2pin cr2032 cmos coin battery - |- |<!--Name-->V15-ADA 82C700E4UK- elan touchpad not working - internal battery 34whr L16M2PB2 l16l2pb3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD r5 3500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1x 2.5" HDD + 1x M.2 SSD NVMe near fan, no cd dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 3, 8 with up to 1080p with 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio 6.36 0x1022, 0x15E3 with R155189 ALC236 codec 0x10ec, 0x0236 on 32bit and on 64bit}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|3 USB3, on left hand side,}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 3500U with Aros One 32bit 2.8 installed to 2.5in drive on another machine and same for 64bit || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14 or 15.6in 768p on low spec machines to 1080p - 4GB soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 2pin cr2032 cmos coin battery - sd card slot - noisy fan - |- |<!--Name-->V15-ADA 82C7 - elan touchpad not working - internal battery 34whr L16M2PB2 l16l2pb3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon Silver 3020e, Ryzen 3 3050U, 3150U, 3250U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1x 2.5" HDD + 1x M.2 SSD NVme near fan, no cd dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 3, 8 with up to 1080p with 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio 6.36 0x1022, 0x15E3 with RTS5119 R155119 ALC230 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|3 USB3.0, on left hand side,}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 Aros One 32bit 2.8 and 64bit || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14 or 15.6in 768p on low spec machines to 1080p - 4GB soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 2pin cr2032 cmos coin battery - sd card slot - for this mbd bios ram disable doesn't work - noisy fan - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo V14-ADA 82C6, - elan touchpad not working - if blank black display, bios bug going from uefi->legacy so reset bios rhs push in with pin, then Down, ent, Right x3, ent, up, ent, right, ent x2 - internal battery 34whr L16M2PB2 l16l2pb3 || <!--Chipset-->'''tested''' 3250U - '''untested''' AMD Athlon Silver 3020e, Ryzen 3 3050U, 3150U - for this mbd GV451&GV551 NM-D151 bios ram disable doesn't work || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1x 2.5" HDD if cbl + 1x M.2 SSD NVMe near fan, no cd dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 3 up to 1080p with 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio 6.36 0x1022, 0x15E3 with Realtek ALC3223 RTS5119 R185199 aka ALC230 codec 0x10ec, 0x0230 on 32bit and on 64bit}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|3 USB3, on left hand side,}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 AMD 3250U with Aros One 32bit 2.8 installed to 2.5in drive on another machine and same for 64bit || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14 or 15.6in 768p on low spec machines to 1080p - 4GB soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 2pin cr2032 cmos coin battery - sd card slot - F2 bios F12 select - |- |<!--Name-->IdeaPad 1 14ADA5 (low spec cpus) ideaPad 3 14ADA05, IdeaPad 3 15ADA05 81W100QVUK, IdeaPad 3 17ADA05 - elan touchpad not working - internal battery 34whr L16M2PB2 l16l2pb3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon Silver 3020e, Ryzen 3 3050U, 3150U, 3250U, Ryzen 5 3500U on mobo NM-C821 REV 0.2 1.0 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1x 2.5" HDD if cbl + 1x M.2 SSD NVMe near fan, no cd dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 3, 8 up to 1080p with 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio 6.36 0x1022, 0x15E3 with ALC230 codec 0x10ec, 0x0230 on 32bit and on 64bit}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|3 USB3, on left hand side,}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 Aros One 32bit 2.8 installed to 2.5in drive on another machine and same for 64bit || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14 or 15.6in 768p on low spec machines to 1080p - 4GB soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 2pin cr2032 cmos coin battery - sd card slot - F2 bios F12 boot select - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo IdeaPad L340-15API 81LW001CUS L340-17API - elan trackpad not functioning - internal battery L18M3PF2 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon 300U, Ryzen 3 3200U r5 3500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 M.2 nvme and usually 2.5in sata if ribbon cable present - mini sata dvd/cd da-8aesh11b || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 3 or 8 with up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken - hdmi 1.4b}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio add 0x1022, 0x15E3 with Realtek ALC236 0x10ec, 0x0236}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 not detected}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111GUS}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Intel wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 2.8 USB - install on mbr not gpt 2.5in in another compatible machine || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 15.6in 768p or 1080p 200nits - 4Gb ddr4 2400MHz soldered with 1 dimm slot max 20Gb - round ac 20V 65W psu 4.0mm x 1.7mm - Return or F1 to enter bios and F12 boot order - no sd card slot - |- |<!--Name-->[https://www.laptop-schematics.com/db/78/T%20series%20laptops%20(ThinkPad)/ ThinkPad T295 T495] || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 3300U, R5 Pro 3500U or R7 3700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 NVMe up to 2280 || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega 6, 8 or 10 up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111EPV}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8822BE or Intel AC 9260}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14in 768p but mostly FHD 1080p 250 nits - internal battery - ram 8gb or 16gb 2400Mhz soldered with 1 ddr4 slot on T495 only - TPM 2.0 - usb-c charging avoid knock whilst in use - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T495s (14in) X395 (13in) || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 3300U, R5 Pro 3500U or R7 3700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 NVMe up to 2280 || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega 6, 8 or 10 up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{unk| needs Lenovo ThinkPad Ethernet Adapter Gen 2 SC10P42352 or SC10P42354}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8822BE or Intel AC 9260 wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 13in or 14in 768p but mostly FHD 1080p 250 nits - internal battery - ram 8gb or 16gb 2400Mhz soldered - TPM 2.0 - usb-c charging avoid knock whilst in use - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad E14 Gen2, E15 Gen 2 (AMD) 20T8, - lenovo has a mobile phone PC Diagnostic App for error/beep codes || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 4300U, 5 4500U, 7 4700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2 m.2 nvme, 1 2242 and 1 2280 || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD Radeon up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with ALC ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111GUS}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 15.6in 1080p 220 nits - TPM 2.0 - usb-c charging of internal 45Whr battery - 4gb ddr4 3200Mhz soldered and 1 ddr4 sodimm slot max 20Gb - keyboard swap problematic - plastic bendy case - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo ThinkPad T14 Gen 1, ThinkPad P14s Gen 1 (AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 4300u, 5 4500U, Ryzen 5 Pro 4650U, Ryzen 7 Pro 4750U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD Vega }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287 0x10EC, 0x0257}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111EPV (DASH models) or RTL8111HN}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - USB-C charging avoid moving whilst in use - 14" or 15" 1080p - keyboard swap problematic - 8gb or 16gb 3200MHz soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - sd card slot - |- |<!--Name-->Thinkpad L14 Gen 1, L15 Gen 1, || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 4300u, 5 4500U, Ryzen 5 Pro 4650U, Ryzen 7 Pro 4750U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD Vega }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287 0x10EC, 0x0257}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 needs dongle RTL8111EPV (DASH models) or RTL8111HN}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - USB-C charger avoid moving whilst in use - 14" or 15" 1080p - keyboard swap problematic - 8gb or 16gb 3200MHz soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - sd card slot - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo ThinkPad X13 Gen1 AMD, || <!--Chipset-->AMD RYZEN 3 4450U, 5 4650U or 7 4750U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->One drive, up to 512GB M.2 2242 SSD or 1TB M.2 2280 SSD NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|VESA Radeon up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| but USB-C ports can fail}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Realtek RTL8111EPV, mini RJ-45 to RJ-45 via optional ThinkPad Ethernet Extension Adapter Gen 2}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek Wi-Fi 6 RTL8852AE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 13.3" HD 1366x768 to 1080p - USB-C port care needed as damages easily - Memory soldered to systemboard, no slots, dual-channel DDR4-3200 - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo ThinkBook 14 G2, 15 G2 Are || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 5 4500u, 7 4700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->14in has 2 m.2 nvme but 15in has 1 nvme and might have 2.5in sata metal caddy if smaller battery version || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d for AMD Radeon up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with ALC???? codec 0x10EC, 0x0}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 14in or 15in 1080p - usb-c charging but high failure rate on the charging port - 4gb or 8gb soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot 3200mhz - hinge(s) issues - |- |<!--Name-->IdeaPad 5 14ARE05 (81YM), Ideapad 5 15ARE05 (), IdeaPad 3 17ARE05 (model 81W5) - elan touchpad MSFT0004:00 06CB:CD98 not working || <!--Chipset-->'''tested''' 4500u - '''untested''' AMD 3 4300U (4c4t), 4600U (6c12t), 7 4700u (8c16t) on AMD Promontory Bixby FCH || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|1x M.2 2242 slot and 1x M.2 2280 NVMe which will take sata m.2 will boot to grub then laptop reset after choice}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 6 via hdmi output up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio 6.36 0x1637 0x15e3 with Realtek ALC3287 aka ALC257 codec 0x10ec 0x0257}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.1 or 3.2 gen 1}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel ax200 wifi 6}} || <!--Test Distro-->4500u with AROS One 64bit 1.2 usb installed to m.2 sata on another machine || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit 14inch 768p or 1080p - round lenovo ac - 4gb, 8gb, or 16gb ddr4 3200Mhz ram soldered with 1 slot - keyboard swap problematic - integrated battery - |- |<!--Name-->Ideapad Flex 5 81X2, Lenovo Yoga 6 13ALC6 || <!--Chipset-->AMD R5 4500u, R7 4800U, R3 5300 R5 5500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->M.2 NVMe ssd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD Vega up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with ALC? codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3.1 gen 1}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|realtek ac wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit abs plastic case 14in convertible 1080p touch low nits - 65w usb-c psu ac - possible wacom esr note taking pen supplied - ram soldered DDR4 - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T14 Gen 2, P14s Gen 2 || <!--Chipset-->AMD 5850U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with ALC3287-CG codec 0x10EC, 0x0}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 - usb-c power 90% failure rate on the charging port - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo ThinkBook 14 G3, 15 G3 ACL, || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 5 5500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->m.2 nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with ALC codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 14in or 15in 1080p - usb-c charging powered - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad E14 G3, E15 Gen 3 (AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 5300U 5500U 5650U 5700U 5800U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->up to 2 m.2 nvme || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111GUS}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|realtek or intel }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 15.6in 1080p - - usb-c charging issues - keyboard swap problematic - 4gb or 8gb soldered with 1 ddr4 3200Mhz sodimm slot - plastic bendy case - |- |<!--Name-->V14 Gen 2 (82KA, 82KC) *ALO *ALC 82KD || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 5300U, 5 5500U, 7 5700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 nvme 2280 and optional 2.5in sata after sourcing ribbon cable and connector, no dvd || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H-CG}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 15.6" FHD 1080p - 4gb or 8gb soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 65w round ac adaptor - |- |<!--Name-->V15 G2 Gen2 (82KB, 82KD) *ALO *ALC 82KD || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 5300U, 5 5500U, 7 5700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 nvme 2280 and optional 2.5in sata after sourcing ribbon cable and connector, no dvd || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H-CG}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 15.6" FHD 1080p - 4gb or 8gb soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 65w round ac adaptor - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad L15 Gen 2 (15″, AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 5000 series AMD Ryzen 3 5400U (4c8t), 5 5600U, 5 5650U (6c12t), 7 PRO 5850U (8c16t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 needs dongle RTL8111EPV (DASH models) or RTL8111HN}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 15.6in 768p or 1080p - usb-c charging - 4gb soldered with 1 ddr4 3200Mhz sodimm slot - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad E14 Gen 4, E15 Gen 4 (15″, AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 3 5425u, 5 5625U, 7 5825u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 (14") or 2 (15") nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 15.6in 1080p - usb-c charging - 4gb or 8gb soldered with 1 ddr4 3200Mhz sodimm slot - L19M3PDA 45Whr battery - U24 TPS65994 and QB6 QB5 mosfet issues - plastic bendy case - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T14 Gen 3 Machine types MT 21AH 21AJ 21CF and 21CG, P14s Gen 3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD 6850U || <!--IDE-->{{n/a}} || <!--SATA-->NVme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d || <!--Audio-->{{unk| ALC3287-VA2-CG codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 14in |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T14s Gen 3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD 6500U || <!--IDE-->{{n/a}} || <!--SATA-->NVme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d || <!--Audio-->{{unk| ALC3287-VA2-CG codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Ethernet support via optional Lenovo® USB-C® to Ethernet Adapter}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 14in |- |<!--Name-->V14 G3, V15 G3 Gen3 ALC || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 5 6500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme and optional 2.5in sata if smaller 38Wh battery and after sourcing ribbon cable and connector, no dvd || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 15"FHD - battery BYD L20B2PFO - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad L15 Gen 3 (15″, AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 6000 series || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 needs dongle}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit- 15.6in 1080p - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo Yoga 7 14ARB7 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5, 6600U, 7 6800U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD 660M or 680M || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDaudio with ALC3306 aka alc287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 14in 1800p ips 300 nits - usb-c ac charging 71whr integrated battery - sd card slot - digital pen input - 8gb, 6gb or 32gb soldered ddr5 ram - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T14 Gen 4, P14s Gen 4 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen Pro 5 7540U, Ryzen Pro 7 7840U (AI NPU) || <!--IDE-->{{n/a}} || <!--SATA-->NVme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD 740M 780M|| <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 14in 1920x1200 - 8gb, 16gb or 32gb lpddr5 soldered - usb-c charging - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad E14 g5, E15 Gen 5 (15″, AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 7000 series Ryzen 5-7530U, 7-7730U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit- 15.6in 1080p - |- |<!--Name-->Thinkbook 14 G6 ABP IRL, ThinkBook 16 G6ABP (21KK001CUK) || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 7530U 7730U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->m.2 nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 untested}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 14in 1200p or 1440p - 100W USB-C AC power adapter - |- |<!--Name-->IdeaPad Slim 5 Light 14ABR8 Laptop || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 7330U (4c8t) 5 7530U (6c12t) 7 7730U (8c16t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2 m.2 nvme slot - 1 2242, 1 2280 || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 14in 1080p - 8Gb or 16Gb soldered ram - usb-c charging only - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad X13 Gen 4 (13" AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 7480U 7040U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|VESA}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 - avoid usb-c port damage - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad L14 (Gen4), L15 Gen 4 (15" AMD) || <!--Chipset-->MD Ryzen 5 PRO 7530U, 7480U 7040U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|VESA}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 needs dongle}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - elan trackpad - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo Gen 4 V14 (82YT, 82YV, 83A0, 83A1, 83CC, 83FR, 82YX, 83FG), V15 (82YU, 82YW, 83FS, 82YY, 83CR), V17 (83A2), || <!--Chipset-->AMD AMD Athlon™ Gold 7220U (2c4t), AMD Athlon™ Silver 7120U (2c2t), AMD Ryzen™ 3 7320U (4c8t), AMD Ryzen™ 5 7520U (4c8t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme and 2.5in sata if smaller 38Wh battery, no dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d for AMD 610M HDMI® and USB-C}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Gigabit Ethernet, 1x RJ-45}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|wifi 6}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 15.6" FHD 1080p - 8 or 16Gb soldered - 65W round tip (3-pin) AC adapter or USB-C - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad e14 G6, e15 Gen 6 (15″, AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 7000 series AMD Ryzen™ 7 7735HS || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit- 15.6in 1080p - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad L16 (16" AMD), || <!--Chipset-->AMD 8000 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB4}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 needs dongle}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2025 64bit |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T14 Gen 5, P14s Gen 5 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 8840U, AMD Ryzen™ 5 PRO 8540U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVME || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - 14inch 1920 x 1200 - |- |<!--Name--> Lenovo WinBook 300e SKU: 82GKS00000 || <!--Chipset-->AMD 3015E || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit 4GB 64GB SSD 11.6 Inch Touchscreen Windows 10 Pro Laptop |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo Yoga Slim 7a || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen AI 7350 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD 860M || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDaudio with ALC3306 aka alc287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - 14in 1800p ips 300 nits - usb-c ac charging 71whr integrated battery - sd card slot - digital pen input - 8gb, 6gb or 32gb soldered ddr5 ram - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Samsung==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="2%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->NP-Q1 Q1 || <!--Chipset-->Celeron-M 353 ULV 600Mhz || <!--IDE-->{{Yes|1.8" SFF HDD 20 / 60 GB }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 915 2D and 3D opengl1 tunnel 95 gearbox 68}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with codec - head phones only}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Yes|Atheros 5006EX}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit old style tablet UltraMobile PC UMPC - Wacom serial resistive pen or finger no support - 1 sodimm ddr2 max 1Gb - LCD 7" WVGA (800 x 480) - CompactFlash port Type II - |- | <!--Name-->NP Q1U Ultra Mobile PC UMPC Q1F NP-Q1-F000 || <!--Chipset-->Intel A100 600 / A110 Stealey 800 MHz CPU || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|GMA 950 2D and 3D opengl1}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio 1986}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Atheros 5006EX}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1 || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit 1024×600 - sd card slot - |- | <!--Name-->NP P500 family P500Y || <!--Chipset-->AMD with SB600 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Ati x1250}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes| Audio with codec }} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8039 yukon}} || <!--Wireless-->{{yes|Atheros G}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments-->64bit possible - 15.4 tft display - cheap plastic okay build - 19v propriety end - |- | <!--Name-->R505 R510 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Atheros G || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->R520 R522 R610H R620 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Mobile Core i3 Intel PM45 82801M ICH9-M|| <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4650 (RV730) || <!--Audio-->Intel HD Audio with Realtek ALC272 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Marvell Yukon 88E8057 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros AR5007EG || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2010 64 bit possible |- | NP-R530 || || {{N/A}} || {{partial|IDE mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{partial|HD Audio playback}} || {{yes|USB 2.0}} || {{no|Marvell}} || {{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || Icaros 1.5.2 || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Samsung R730 17.3 Essential Notebook NP-R730-JA02UK, NP-R730-JA01SE, R730-JT06 || <!--Chipset-->Intel HM55 Dual Core T4300 i3-370M || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA for Intel 4500MHD and GeForce G 310M with 1 VGA, 1 HDMI}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio ALC??? codec Realtek}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell Yukon 88E8059 PCI-E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Broadcom, Intel or Atheros 9k AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods ISO 2023-11 || <!--Comments-->2010 64bit - 17.3in HD 1280 x 720 pixels low contrast or some 1600x900 - 2 DDR3 sodimm slots - 2.84 kg 6.26 lbs - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Samsung-305U1A-A01DE-Subnotebook.68246.0.html Series 3 Samsung 305u1a] || <!--Chipset-->AMD Zacate E350 or E450 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon 6320 || <!--Audio-->ALC ACL 269 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111 8169 || <!--Wireless-->Broadcom 4313 || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit |- | <!--Name-->NP-RV415 NP-RV515 || <!--Chipset-->E350 or E450 plus A50M chipset || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon HD 6470 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio Realtek || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|RTL8169 Realtek RTL8111 8168B}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit slow - |- | <!--Name-->Series 5 NP535U3C || <!--Chipset-->A6-4455M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2.5in || <!--Gfx-->radeon || <!--Audio-->HDAudio || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit slow - 13.3in 1368 x 768 - plastic build - 65w 19v psu - |- | <!--Name-->series 3 NP355V5C || <!--Chipset-->A6-4400M, A8-4500M, A10-4600M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2.5in || <!--Gfx-->7640M || <!--Audio-->HDAudio || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit - 15.4in 1368 x 768 - plastic build - 65w 19v psu - |- | <!--Name-->Samsung ATIV Book 9 Lite NP905S3G || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-1450 quad 1GHz Temash atom like || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->128gb || <!--Gfx-->AMD 8250 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek rtl8169 but only with mini LAN AA-AE2N12B Ethernet Adapter RJ45 dongle}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9565}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - 13.3 TN glossy 1366 x 768 200nits 60% srgb - plastic case - 26W battery built in with 4hr life - 19V 2.1A 3.0*1.0mm psu - 1 ddr3l slot max 4gb - 720p webcam - mini hdmi out - 1w speakers - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Toshiba==== [[#top|...to the top]] Order of Build Quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > Equium Satellite (Pro) Libretto Portege Tecra </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | Tecra 8100 8200 9000 || 440BX || {{yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|S3 Savage MX 3D (VESA only)}} || {{no|Yamaha DS-XG ymf744 ymf-754}} || {{yes|USB1.1 only}} || {{N/A}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.5 || little support |- | <!--Name-->Tecra 9100 || <!--Chipset-->810 || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|S3 Savage IX}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|ymf754}} || <!--USB-->USB 1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->eeee pro100 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->PSU Adapter For Toshiba Tecra 9000 9100 A1 A10 A11 A3 A3X A4 A5 A7 M1 M2 M3 M4 M5 M7 M9 R10 S1 series 75 Watt 15V 5A |- | [http://tuxmobil.org/toshiba_sp4600.html Satellite Pro 4600] || i810 || IDE || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|Trident Cyber Blade XP (VESA only)}} || {{no|YAMAHA DS-XG AC97 ymf754}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel e100}} || {{no|Agere (internal PCMCIA)}} || || little support |- | Satellite 2805 S603 || Intel 815 || {{yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|nVidia GeForce2 Go}} || {{no|Yamaha Corp YMF 754}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel PRO/100}} || {{dunno}} || || little support |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A10 S167 S1291 - A15 A20 A25 || <!--Chipset-->P4M || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 852GM or Radeon || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8139 || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Intel 2100, Agere or Atheros PA3399U 1MPC minipci}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->a few models came with antenna leads |- | Satellite [http://eu.computers.toshiba-europe.com/innovation/jsp/SUPPORTSECTION/discontinuedProductPage.do?service=EU&com.broadvision.session.new=Yes&PRODUCT_ID=76230 A30-714] || P4-M / 82845 i845 || {{yes|82801}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|VESA}} || {{yes|AC97}} || {{yes}} || {{yes|RTL8139}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || nice laptop, drawbacks: heavy, really hot (P4-3.06 GHz!!) - A30 (EU) A33 (Australian) A35 (USA) - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A40 A45 || <!--Chipset-->P4M or Celeron M with Intel 845 865 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 852GME or Radeon 7000 Mobility || <!--Audio-->AC97 Realtek || <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5002G 5004G - PA3299U mini pci || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - A40 S161 A40-S1611 A40-2701, A45-S120 A45-S1201 S130 S1301 S1501 - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite a50 A55 a60-s156 Equium A60 PSA67E A65 || <!--Chipset-->P4M or Celeron M with Intel 845 865 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 852GME or Radeon 7000 Mobility || <!--Audio-->AC97 Realtek || <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5002G 5004G - PA3299U mini-pci || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A70 A75-S206 A80 A85-S107 || <!--Chipset-->P4M or Celeron-M with Intel 845 865 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 852GME or Radeon 7000 Mobility || <!--Audio-->AC97 Realtek || <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5002G 5004G - PA3299U mini-pci || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.5.1 || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - |- | Toshiba Satellite Pro M30 || intel 855 || {{yes|boots with ATA=nodma option}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|VESA}} || {{yes|AC97}} || {{yes|USB2.0}} || {{yes|Intel PRO/100 VE}} || {{dunno}} || Icaros 1.5 || nice laptop with some support |- | <!--Name-->Portege M300 - M200 tablet || <!--Chipset-->855GM with 1.2GHz Pentium M 753 || <!--IDE-->{{yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2d only - tablet with nvidia 5200 go}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|AC97 STAC 9750}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->little support |- | <!--Name-->Tecra M2 M2-S || <!--Chipset-->Intel 855P Pentium-M || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->nvidia fx go5200 32mb or 64mb agp || <!--Audio-->AC97 1981B || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Intel Pro || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - PSU 15V 5A - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro L20 267 (PSL2YE PSL2XE) PSL25E L30 || <!--Chipset-->Celeron M 370 1.4 1.5GHz, 1.73Ghz with RC410M SB400 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA - Ati x200}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|[https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-490297-start-0.html ALC861]}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|Boots usb sticks}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8139 Realtek 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros mini-pci should work maybe not working with ATi chipset or need to swap??}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit 14" pioneer dvd-rw - 19v |- | <!--Name-->Satellite L30 PSL30E L33 PSL33E || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 800 or ATi RC410 x200 || <!--Audio-->AC97 AD1981B or HD Audio ALC861 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros or Intel || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->L30 PSL30L 101 PSL33E 113 115 134 00M019 - |- | Satellite Pro M40 313 psm44e || AMD with Ati || {{yes|boots with ATA=nodma}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|VESA}} || {{yes|AC97}} || {{yes|USB2.0}} || {{yes|}} || {{maybe|atheros askey ar5bmb5 mini pci}} || || 2005 32bit - nice laptop with some support |- | <!--Name-->Satellite L40 PSL40E PSL40L, PSL43E || <!--Chipset-->945GM with U7700 1.3GHz ULV || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 945 || <!--Audio-->{{No|Intel HD with AD1986A codec}} || <!--USB-->2 USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros AR24xx Askey || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.0.3 || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit only - - 12X 13G 139 14B 143 15J 19O - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite L45 PSL40U S7409 S2416 || <!--Chipset-->945GM with Celeron M 440 1.86 GHz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 945 || <!--Audio-->{{No|Intel HD with AD1986A codec}} || <!--USB-->2 USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros AR24xx Askey || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.0.3 || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit only - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro A100 || <!--Chipset-->940G || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Nvidia G72M Quadro NVS 110M GeForce Go 7300 / Ati (PSAA3E)|| <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC861 codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 100 || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 swap with atheros || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A110 159 (PSAB0), Equium A110 (PSAB2E), Satellite A110 233 (PSAB6), || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio-->ALC861 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8136 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro A120 PSAC0 PSAC1 PSAC1E || <!--Chipset-->Core Solo GMA 950 to T2300 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 945 || <!--Audio-->ALC262 or AC97 AD1981B || <!--USB-->UHCI EHCI || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Atheros Ar5001 or Intel or Broadcom || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->15V 4A charger - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro A120 || <!--Chipset-->Core Duo ATi RS480 + SB450 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use VESA - ATI RC410 Radeon Xpress 200M || <!--Audio-->ALC262 || <!--USB-->OCHI UHCI || <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 or Atheros Ar5001 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->15v 5a proprietary charger needed |- | <!--Name-->Satelite A130 PSAD6U || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8101E || <!--Wireless-->Atheros or Intel || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->ST1311 s1311 ST1312 S2276 S2386 - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A135 S2686 (Compal LA 3391P) || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8101E || <!--Wireless-->Atheros or Intel || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->S2246 S2346 S2256 S4477 S4666 S4827 - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A200 PSAE1E (Inventec MW10M) || <!--Chipset-->Pentium M with 945GM Express Celeron M 520 1.6Ghz or Pentium® Core Duo T2130 1.86 GHz || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}}|| <!--SATA--> {{Maybe|SATA}}|| <!--Gfx--> {{Yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D and 3D)}}|| <!--Audio--> {{Yes|HD Audio ALC862}}|| <!--USB--> {{Yes| }}|| <!--Ethernet--> {{yes|RTL8101E rtl8139}}|| <!--Wireless--> {{yes|Atheros 5000 - FN,F5 or FN,F8 or switch}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 AspireOS 1.8 || <!--Comments-->2006 Excellent 32 bit support! - make sure that your WLAN card is enabled, do this using the hardware switch and FN+F8 key combination |- | <!--Name--> A210, Satellite A215 AMD (Inventec 10A) S5808 || <!--Chipset--> Ati with SB690 || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}}|| <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|SATA}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA HD2600 Mobility M76}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC268 || <!--USB--> {{Yes| }}|| <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8101E}}|| <!--Wireless--> {{yes|Atheros 5000}}|| <!--Test Distro-->2018 AspireOS 1.8 || <!--Comments-->A215-S7422 A215-S7472 A215-S4697 (USA) - |- | <!--Name--> [http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=62036 A215 S4757] || <!--Chipset--> Ati X1200 with SB600 || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}}|| <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|SATA}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> {{Yes| }}|| <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8101E}}|| <!--Wireless--> {{yes|Atheros 5000}}|| <!--Test Distro-->2017 AspireOS 1.8 || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Qosmio G30 (PQG31C-HD202E) || <!--Chipset-->945 with Duo T2500 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Nouveau Nvidia Go 7600 2d and 3d}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit - 17" UXGA 1920x1200, |- | <!--Name-->Tecra A10 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> {{Maybe|IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx--> {{Maybe|Intel GMA 4500M (2D)}} || <!--Audio--> {{Yes|HD Audio}} || <!--USB--> {{Yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel PRO 1000}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel WiFi Link 5100}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->64 bit possible |- | <!--Name-->L35 - L40 PSL48E - L45 S7423 || <!--Chipset-->GL960 with Intel Celeron || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|X3100 some 2D but software 3d tunnel 9 gearbox 4}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with ALC660 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|REALTEK 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek 8187b replace with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments-->1,73Ghz M 520 or M 540 or Dual T2310 (1.46 GHz) T2330 (1.6 GHz) - 14H 14N 15B 17H 17K 17R 17S 18Z - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite a300 - inventec potomac 10s pt10s A300D 21H || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio - Realtek || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8102E || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5005 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->satellite L300D-224 PSLC8E PSLC9E, l305 (inventec ps10s) || <!--Chipset-->AMD M780 with Turion RM70 or QL-64 || <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE}} || <!--SATA--> {{yes|SATA}} || <!--Gfx--> {{Maybe|use VESA for Radeon 3100}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio with Realtek ALC268}} || <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet--> {{no|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Atheros G XB63L or Intel or Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> Icaros Desktop Live 2.3 AROS One 2.3 || <!--Comments--> Wireless-handler crashing when using Atheros-Wireless-Card |- | <!--Name-->Satellite P300 (PSPC0C-01D01C) || <!--Chipset-->945GM with Intel Core 2 Duo T5750 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Audio-->{{No| codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| swap with Atheros 5k }} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 64bit || <!--Comments-->2007 |- | <!--Name-->satellite l300-1bw PSLBDE-005005AR, L300-148 PSLB0E, l300-20D PSLB8E-06Q007EN, l300-294 L300-23L PSLB9E || <!--Chipset-->Intel GM45 + PGA478 socket Celeron 900, Pentium T1600, T2390, T3400 (Socket P) to Core2 Duo T6400 T6670 || <!--IDE--> {{unk|IDE}} || <!--SATA--> {{unk|SATA}} || <!--Gfx--> {{Maybe|use VESA for Intel gma 4500M}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio with Realtek ALC???}} || <!--USB--> {{unk|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet--> {{unk|rtl8169 Realtek 810xE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel or Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64-bit - new unfamiliar Bios called insyde H20 - |- | <!--Name-->satellite l350d || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon (tm) X2 QL-60 + RS780M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 3100 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with Realtek || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek || <!--Wireless-->Realtek 8187b || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Satellite L450 12 13 14 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Sempron, 2.1GHz with AMD RS780M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 3200 (based on HD 2400) || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E || <!--Wireless-->Realtek 8172 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - 12X 13P 13X 14V PSLY6E00C006EN |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro L450 (Compal LA-5821P) 179 || <!--Chipset-->intel celeron 900 2.20 Ghz no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->intel 4500m || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->RTL8101 /2 /6E PCI Express Gigabit || <!--Wireless-->RTL8191 SEvB || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - 39.6cm (15.6”) Toshiba TruBrite® HD TFT 16:9 768p |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Toshiba Satellite P775, P775-S7320 and P775-10K || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core i5 (2nd Gen) 2430M i7-2630QM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2D for Intel}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 17.3" - 1600 x 900 (HD+) - 2 DDR3 sodimm max 16Gb - |- |<!--Name-->Toshiba Satellite C660D-19X || <!--Chipset-->AMD E-300 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2D for ATi}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio with Realtek codec}} || <!--USB-->{{no| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|r8169 rtl8101e}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek RTL8188 8192ce rtl8192ce}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->L755D (E-350) L750D (E-450) || <!--Chipset-->AMD E350 E450 no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 6310 6320 || <!--Audio-->HDAudio conexant codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Realtek || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro SP C640 C660D-15X (PSC1YE) C670D- () || <!--Chipset-->AMD E350 no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->6310G || <!--Audio-->HD Realtek ALC259 || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek || <!--Wireless-->Broadcom || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name-->C70D-A C75D-A || <!--Chipset-->E1-1200 no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|AMD HD8330}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HA Audio CX20751 11Z}} || <!--USB-->{{no| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Atheros AR8162 alx}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek 8188e}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit - |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- |} ====Misc==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Time 500 Packard Bell EasyOne 1450 1550 || <!--Chipset-->K6-3 500Mhz + VIA MVP4 vt82c686a || <!--IDE-->{{N/A|Issues}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA || <!--Audio-->{{No|VIA AC97 3058 with wolfson codec WM9703 WM9704 WM9707 WM9708 or WM9717}} || <!--USB-->via 3038 2 ports USB 1.1 untested || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro-->NB May 2013 || <!--Comments-->2001 32bit grub runs but stalls around [PCI] Everything OK |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Sony Vaio PCG FX201/FX202 FX210/FX215 FX401/FX402 FX404/FX405 972M, FX501/FX502 FX504/FX505 || <!--Chipset-->VIA KT133A KM133 Duron 800Mhz Athlon 1.3Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{partial|boot issue with 2013 kernel VIA [rev 06]}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|ATI Rage Mobility Pro (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|VIA AC97 686b [rev 50] AD1881A Ear phone and Mic}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|issues}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Comments-->Nightly 1st March 2013 || <!--Comments-->booting usb pendrive from Plop Boot Loader floppy (no bios USB boot). Can freeze coz hardware issue or a ram slot problem - no support for iLink firewire VT8363/8365 pci - vt82c686b |- | <!--Name-->Sony Vaio PCG FX601/FX602, FX604/FX605 FXA53(US), FX701/FX702, FX704/FX705, FX801/FX802 FX804/FX805 || <!--Chipset-->VIA KT133A KM133 Duron 800Mhz Athlon 1.3Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{partial|boot issue with 2013 kernel VIA [rev 06]}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|ATI Rage Mobility Pro (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|VIA AC97 686b [rev 50] AD1881A Ear phone and Mic}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|issues}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Comments-->Nightly 1st March 2013 || <!--Comments-->booting usb pendrive somes works |- | <!--Name-->Sony Vaio PCG FX100 R505LE || <!--Chipset-->Intel i815 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA Intel 82815 CGC || <!--Audio-->Intel ICH AC97 with ADI AD1881A codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel e100 || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->PCG-FX105 FX105K PCG-FX108 FX108K PCG-FX109 FX109K FX200 FX203/FX203K FX205 FX205K FX209 FX209K FX220 [http://juljas.net/linux/vaiofx240/ FX240] FX250 FX270 FX290 FX301 FX302 FX340 FX370 FX390 FX403 FX503 FX950 |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | Sony VAIO VGN X505VP || Pentium M ULV and Intel 855GM || {{yes}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|Intel 855 (VESA only)}} || {{yes|AC97}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100 VE}} || {{N/A}} || || 2004 32bit - 0.38 inches at its thinnest point - first laptop to feature a "chiclet" keyboard resemble Chiclets gum - |- | <!--Name-->Sony Z505LE Z505JE || <!--Chipset-->P3 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->n/a || <!--Gfx-->Rage Mobility M1 AGP mach64 || <!--Audio-->no Yamaha DS-XG PCI YMF744 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 8255x based PCI e100 || <!--Wireless-->n/a || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Panasonic Toughbook CF-18 || <!--Chipset-->Core || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|gma for i915}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 SigmaTel}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|usb2 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL 8139C}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel swap for atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' D02 test || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Panasonic Toughbook CF-29 CF-30 || <!--Chipset-->Core || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use VESA || <!--Audio-->AC97 SigmaTel || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8139C || <!--Wireless-->Intel || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit |- | <!--Name-->MSI Microstar PR210 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA ATi RS690M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio through speaker / head phones but not hdmi}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek 8111 8169}} || <!--Wireless-->Atheros AR242x AR542x aw-ge780 mini pci-e || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit - ENE PCI based SD card with no bios boot option |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Advent 7106 EAA-88 || <!--Chipset-->Pentium M 1.7GHz with 915GM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D and 3D tunnel 187 gearbox 67}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 Intel ICH6 with Conexant Cx20468 31 codec playback head phones only}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 2200BG Fn/F2 replaced with atheros mini pci in small base panel - startup errors in wireless manager}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 14" cheap rubbish sadly - fan noise through audio channel - |- | <!--Name-->Motion Computing LE1600 PC Slate || <!--Chipset-->915 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->915 || <!--Audio-->Intel AC97 SigmaTel STAC9758 9759 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8169 || <!--Wireless-->Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 serial Wacom digitiser not usb |- | <!--Name-->Panasonic Toughbook CF-51 CF-P1 CF-T5 CF-Y2 || <!--Chipset-->945GMS || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom || <!--Wireless-->Intel || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Sony Vaio VGN-AR11S || <!--Chipset-->ntel Core Duo T2500 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes| Nvidia Go 7600}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro-->Aros One 32bit || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit - 17" 1920x1200 - blu-ray - |- | Sony Vaio VGN SR29VN || Intel ICH9 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|IDE legacy}} || {{partial|ATI HD 3400 (VESA only)}} || {{partial|HD Audio (too quiet)}} || {{yes|USB1.1 and USB2.0}} || {{no|Marvell 8040}} || {{no|Intel 5100}} || Icaros 1.5 || 2007 32bit - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Wyse XM Class DELL WYSE Xn0m LAPTOP || <!--Chipset-->AMD T-G56N 1.6 1.65Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} || <!--SATA-->decased 2.5in ssd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d only AMD 6320}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|EHCI 2.0 with NEC uPD720200 USB 3.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek rtl8169 8111E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros 93xx}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 1366 x 768 14" - 2 ddr3l slots max 16gb - 19v coax barrel plug psu - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI Ge40 Ge60 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 4 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GTX 860M || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Killer}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->MSI GE62 2QF Apache Pro || <!--Chipset-->Intel 5 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GTX 970M || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Killer }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->MSI GS65 Stealth || <!--Chipset-->i7-8750H and later i7-9750H || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->GeForce GTX 1060 or 1070 Max Q, GTX 1660 Ti, RTX 2080 Max-Q || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio }} || <!--USB-->{{unk|US3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte P35X || <!--Chipset-->Intel || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->GTX 980M || <!--Audio-->HDaudio || <!--USB-->USB3 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Panasonic Toughpad FZ-G1 MK2 || <!--Chipset-->Core i5-3437U, 1.9GHz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->ToughPad FZ-G1 Mk3 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core i5-4310U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->Intel HD 4400 || <!--Audio-->HDaudio Codec ALC255 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->[https://wiki.recessim.com/view/Panasonic_Toughpad_FZ-G1_MK4 Panasonic Toughpad FZ-G1 MK4] || <!--Chipset-->intel 6300U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->Intel 520 || <!--Audio-->HDaudio with ALC256 codec - o/c or s/c fails early || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 but options on the right hand side of screen case}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|intel ac 8260}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 10.1in 1600x1200 - 4gb ddr3l soldered - waterproof pen left hand side base - optional slot-in 4g lte and sdhc - 16v 4.06A 64.96W panasonic barrel - |- | <!--Name-->Panasonic Toughpad FZ-G1 MK5 || <!--Chipset-->intel i5-7300U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->Intel 620 || <!--Audio-->HDaudio ALC295 codec - o/c or s/c fails early || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 but optional usb2 plugin r.h.s. of screen casing}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 8gb ddr3l soldered - 10.1" WUXGA 1920 x 1200 with LED backlighting screen 2-800 nit - 10-point capacitive multi touch + Waterproof Digitizer pen l.h.s - |- | <!--Name-->ToughPad FZ-M1 || <!--Chipset-->Intel® Core TM m5-6Y57 vPro TM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->Intel HD 4200 || <!--Audio-->HDaudio with ALC codec || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 7in 800p - 8gb ddr3l soldered - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Any Razor Razer laptops || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->AVOID unable to remove secure boot |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ===Netbook=== [[#top|...to the top]] * PC to write Aros image onto an USB pendrive with Raspberry PI writer, USB writer or Rufus for boot purposes on a netbook * SD card sometimes can boot like Dell 2100, EeePC 1001P, ASUS EeePC 900, acer aspire one d150, MSI Wind U100, ====Acer Packard Bell Netbooks==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width=100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | Aspire One AOA110 (A110) (ZG5) || Intel 945GSE || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA (2D and 3D) tunnel 99 and gearbox 84 score}} || {{Yes|HD Audio ALC6628}} || {{Yes|USB1.1 and USB2.0}} || {{Yes|rtl8169 RTL8101E}} || {{Yes|AR5006}} atheros 5k || 2016 AspireOS 1.8, 2025 Aros One 2.6 32bit USB || 2007 32bit 1 core - 19v barrel A13-045N2A 19V2.37A 45W 5.5x1.7mm - |- | Aspire One AOA150 (A150) (ZG5) || Intel 945GSE || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|ide mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 2D and accelerated 3D with tunnel 99 and gearbox 84.1 result}} || {{Yes|HD Audio ALC6628}} || {{Yes|uhci and ehci}} || {{Yes|rtl8169 RTL8101E}} || {{Yes|AR5006}} atheros 5k || 2016 AspireOS 1.8, 2025 aros one 2.6 32bit USB || 2007 32bit 1 core - 19v barrel - |- | Aspire One AOD150 D150 (Compal LA-4781P), AOD110 D110 (ssd) || Intel 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|ide legacy}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{Yes|HDAudio with alc272}} || {{Yes|USB}} || {{No|Atheros AR8121 AR8113 AR8114 l1e}} || {{Maybe|AR5007EG AR5BXB63 works but Broadcom BCM4312 has no support}} || 2010 Icaros Desktop 1.3, 2024 Aros one 32bit USB || 2008 32bit 1 core - 19v barrel - |- | Aspire One (ZG8) || Intel 945G and N270 || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|ide mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 2D and accelerated 3D}} || {{maybe|HD Audio }} || {{Yes|uhci and ehci}} || {{No|Broadcom }} || {{no|Intel}} || 2014 AspireOS 1.8 || 2009 32bit - |- | Aspire One AOD250 D250 emachines em250 || 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|ide legacy}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{Yes|alc272 HD Audio}} || {{Yes}} || {{No|AR8132 (L1c)}} || {{No|BCM4312 or Atheros AR5B95}} || 2010 Icaros 1.3 || 2009 32bit 1 core - 19v barrel - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire AO532H (Compal LA-5651p) 533H Pineview || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio playback}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|AR8132 (L1c)}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros 9k}} || [http://www.amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?mode=flat&order=0&item_id=5968 Tested AspireOS June 2011] || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->emachines eM350 NAV51 || <!--Chipset--> with N450 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 3150 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.2 || <!--Comments-->Single core 64bit - 160GB HDD 1GB RAM 10.1" LED backlit screen and Webcam - 3 cell li-ion battery for 3 hours usage - |- | <!--Name-->emachines eM355 || <!--Chipset--> with N455 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->64bit support possible - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire One 533 || <!--Chipset-->N455 with NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D 0x8086 0xa011}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes| ALC272 codec ich7}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros AR8152 v1.1 1c}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom 4313}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1 and AROS One 2.3 || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - f2 setup - 10.1inch 1024 x 768 - |- | Aspire One AOD255 AOD255e AOD260 AOHAPPY (Compal LA-6221P) || N570 and Nm10 || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|SATA}} || {{Maybe|Intel GMA 3150}} || Audio || USB || {{No|Atheros AR8152 V1.1 (1lc)}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM4313}} || || a little support |- | Aspire One 522 AO522 (Compal LA-7072p) || 1GHz dual C-50 C50 or C-60 C60 + Hudson M1 || {{N/A}} || SATA || AMD 6250 (ATI 9804) or 6290 || ATI SB CX20584 HD Audio || USB || Atheros 8152 v2.0 l1c || {{No|Broadcom BCM4313 or Atheros ath9k}} || || |- | <!--Name-->AAOD270 Aspire One D270 || <!--Chipset-->N2600 Cedarview || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D on Intel GMA 3650}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8169 RTL8101E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4313 but swap for Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit atom - ddr2 so-dimm 2gb max - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire One AO532G (Compal LA-6091p) || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Aspire One D257 (Quanta ZE6) || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire One 722 AO722 P1VE6 || <!--Chipset-->AMD C-60 C60 with SB900 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe| use VESA Ati 6290}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with codec but no Wrestler HDMI output}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Qualcomm Atheros AR8152 v2.0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9485}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Aspire One AO721 (Wistron SJV10-NL) || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->AO751 AO751H (Quanta ZA3) || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Packard Bell Dot .S || <!--Chipset-->N280 + || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|legacy}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA950 (2D)}}|| <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC272X || <!--USB--> USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Atheros l1e}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Atheros 9k}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Packard Bell Dot .SE || <!--Chipset-->N450 + || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->legacy || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA950 (2D) || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC|| <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Packard Bell Dot .S2 NAV50 || <!--Chipset-->N455 NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel X3150 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC269 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Atheros || <!--Wireless-->Atheros || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Packard Bell Dot M/A || <!--Chipset-->1.2GHz Athlon L110 + RS690E || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->legacy mode? || <!--Gfx-->AMD ATI Radeon Xpress X1270 (VESA only) || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ATI SBx00 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E rtl8169 || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Asus Netbooks==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | [http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/Models eeePC] 700 701 2G 4G 8G Surf || Intel 910GML + ICH7 || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 900 2D and 3D tunnel 68 gearbox 43 on 701 800x480}} || {{Yes|ALC662 HD Audio}} || {{Yes|UHCI and EHCI}} || {{No|Atheros L2}} || {{Yes|Atheros 5k AR5007EG (AR2425 works}} || 2016 Icaros 2.1.1, 2.1.2, Aros One 2.5 32bit USB, || 2007 32bit - power supplies fail due to bad caps issue 9.5V 2.5A 24W Charger AD59930 4.8*1.7MM - |- | [http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/Models eeePC] 701SD || Intel 910GML + ICH7 || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{Maybe|Intel GMA 900 (2D)}} || {{Yes|ALC662 HD Audio}} || {{Yes|UHCI and EHCI}} || {{No|Atheros L2}} || {{No|RTL8187SE swap with Atheros 5k}} || 2014 AspireOS 1.7, || 2007 32bit - boot issues but does boot with ATA=32bit,nopoll or ATA=nodma,nopoll |- | [http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/Models eeePC] 900 || Intel 910GML + ICH7 || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{Maybe|Intel GMA 900 (2D, 3D in some models)}} || {{Yes|ALC662 HD Audio}} || {{Yes|UHCI and EHCI}} || {{No|Atheros L2}} || {{Maybe|depends on chipset AR5007EG (AR2425) works but not RaLink}} || 2014 AspireOS 1.7, || 2008 32bit - boot issues but does boot with ATA=32bit,nopoll or ATA=nodma,nopoll. 900's may need BIOS upgrade to boot usb optical drives. 3D available in some model revisions - AD59230 9.5v 2.31a psu - |- | eeePC 900A || 945GSE || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 950 (3D)}} || {{Yes|HD Audio ALC269}} || {{Yes|USB2.0}} || {{No|Atheros L1e [1969 1026]}} || {{Yes|Atheros 5k AR242x}} || Nightly Build 2012, 2023 Aros One 32bit 2.4 || 2009 32bit |- | eeePC 901 1000 || 945GM || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{Yes|ALC269 HD Audio}} || {{Yes|USB}} || {{No|Atheros L1E (AR8121 AR8113 AR8114)}} || {{No|RaLink Device 2860 swap with Atheros 5k}} || 2011 Icaros 1.4, || 2009 32bit - 12v 3a psu - |- | eeePC Seashell 1000HA 1000HE 1008 1005HA || N280 + Intel GMA950 || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{Yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{Yes|HD Audio ALC269}} || {{Yes|USB}} || {{Maybe|Realtek but not Atheros AR8132 (L1c)}} || {{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || 2014 Aspire OS 1.6, || 2010 32bit - 12v 3a psu - |- | <!--Name-->eeePC 1001ha || <!--Chipset-->GMA945 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->legacy || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 950 (2D) || <!--Audio-->ALC269 HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Attansic Atheros AR8132 l1c}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RaLink RT3090 swap with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2010 32bit |- | eeePC 1001P T101MT 1005PX 1005PE 1015PE Pineview 1001PXD || NM10 and N450 N455 CPU || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D)}} || {{Yes|HD Audio}} || {{Yes|USB 2.0}} || {{No|Atheros AR8132 (l1c)}} || {{unk|Atheros AR928x 802.11n}} || 2010 Icaros 1.3.3, || 2011 64bit - 19V 2.1A 2.3x0.7 - |- | EeePC 1015B 1215B || single C-30 C30 or dual C-50 C50 + Hudson M1 || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{partial|AMD 6250 (VESA only)}} || ATI SBx00 HD Audio || USB || {{No|AR8152 v2.0 atl1c}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM4313 [14e4 4727]}} || untested recently || 2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->Flare X101CH Cedarview || <!--Chipset-->N2600 + N10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 6300 || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros l1c 2.0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros 9k AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Flare 1025CE 1225CE || <!--Chipset-->N2800 + N10 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{dunno|Intel GMA 3600}} || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros l1c 2.0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros 9k AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Dell Netbooks==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | Inspiron 910 Mini 9 PP39S Vostro A90 || GMA945 || {{Maybe|STEC 8G 16G 32G IDE PATA Parallel ATA miniPCIE SSD 50MM / 70MM very slow}} || {{N/A| }} || {{yes|Intel GMA 2D and 3D opengl1}} || {{yes|ALC268 HD Audio}} || {{yes|USB2 boots and works}} || {{yes|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8102E}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4310 and 4312 swap with atheros 5k bx32}} || ICAROS 1.3 but Icaros 2.3 (pci issues), AROS One 2.6 and Tiny AROS (digiclock startup) mouse cursor vanishes || 2008 32bit - 9inch 1024x600 screen - 1 ddr2 sodimm slot max 2gig - 19v 1.58a - 0 boot disk select - cr2032 battery under laptop base cover, while mem 2GB max under base flap - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron Mini 10 1010 PP19S || <!--Chipset-->Atom Z520 Z530 Intel US15W Poulsbo || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Intel GMA 500 (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio ALC269 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 RTL8102E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel or BCM4312}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2008 32bit - 10.10 inch 16:9, 1366 x 768 glossy - 28whr or 56wHr battery options - |- | [https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport/Machines/Netbooks#Dell%20Mini%2010v%20(Inspiron%201011) Mini 10v 1011] [http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Dell/InspironMini10v]|| Intel 950 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|ide legacy mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{maybe|HDAudio}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|RTL8102E 8103E}} || {{no|Dell 1397 Wireless}} || untested || 2008 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron Mini 1018 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Atom N455 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{partial|IDE mode }} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D, no VGA output)}} || <!--Audio-->{{partial|HD Audio head phones only - speaker and micro phone do not work}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|RTL8188CE or AR928X}} || <!--Test Distro-->2011 Icaros 1.5.1, || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - 1 DDR3 max 2gb - |- | Latitude 2100 || Intel Atom N270 N280 1.60Ghz GMA 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{Yes|set to IDE in bios as ahci not working || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D and 3D with tunnel 98 and gearbox 84)}} || {{yes|HD Audio with ALC272 codec}} || {{yes|USB2.0}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM5764M}} || {{No|Intel 5100 or BCM4322 DW 1510 half height mini pcie use small Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 AspireOS 1.8, Icaros 2.1.1 and AROS One USB 2.4 || 2009 32bit ddr2 sodimm max 2G - [https://sites.google.com/site/arosaspireone/about-aspire-one Webcam and card reader not working] lcd cable over hinge an issue - f12 bios and boot - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude 2110 2120 || <!--Chipset-->N470 1.83Ghz, N455 1.6Ghz, N550 1.5Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|ATA mode in bios not ahci}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel 3150 2D only}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with ALC269 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| swap for Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro-->2014 Icaros 2.3, || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - ddr2 sodimm |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====HP Compaq Netbooks==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | HP Mini 2133 || VIA C7-M P4M900 / 8237 VX700 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SATA}} || {{maybe|VIA Chrome 9 HC (VESA only)}} || {{no|VT1708/A HD Audio}} || USB || {{no|Broadcom Corp NetXtreme BCM5788}} || {{no|Broadcom Corp BCM4312}} || untested || 2008 32bit - |- | HP mini 1000 Mi 2140 ks145ut || N270 + 945GM || {{N/A}} || SATA || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D and opengl1 3d)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio (playback tested)}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || {{no|Marvell 88E8040}} || {{no|Broadcom Corp BCM4312 hard blocked}} || untested || 2009 32Bit - unable to change wifi card |- | <!--Name-->HP Mini 700 702 || <!--Chipset-->N270 + 945GSE || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio IDT 92HD75B (111d:7608, only playback tested)}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom hard locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - |- | Compaq HP Mini 110 110-3112sa || 945GM Express || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|IDE mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{yes|HD Audio IDT STAC 92xx}} || {{yes|USB 2.0}} || {{no|Atheros}} || {{no|Broadcom hard blocked Fn+F12}} || untested || 2009 32bit - unable to change wifi |- | HP Mini 200 210 || 945GM NM10 Express || {{N/A}} || SATA || Intel GMA 950 || {{Maybe|HDAudio with }} || USB || RTL8101E RTL8102E || {{no|Broadcom BCM4312 hard locked}} || untested || 2009 32bit - |- | HP Mini 311 DM1 (Quanta FP7) || N280 + ION LE || {{N/A}} || SATA || nVidia Geforce ION || {{maybe|HDAudio with }} || USB || eth || {{No|hard locked}} || untested || 2009 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |} ====Lenovo Netbooks==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | IdeaPad S9 S9e(3G) S10 S10e(3G) || 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SATA}} || {{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{maybe|ALC269 or SigmaTel HD Audio}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{no|Broadcom NetLink BCM5906M}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4312 hard blocked}} || untested || 2009 32bit - |- | IdeaPad S12 || Intel Atom N270 + Nvidia ION LE MCP79 || {{N/A}} || SATA || nVidia C79 ION [Quadro FX 470M] || {{maybe|ALC269 HD Audio}} || USB || {{no|Broadcom}} || {{no|Intel locked down}} || 2012 Icaros 2.0, || 2009 32bit - does not boot - cause unknown |- | S10-2 || 945GME and N280 CPU || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{maybe|ALC269 HD Audio}} || {{yes}} || {{yes|rtl8169}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4312 hard blocked}} || 2011 Icaros 1.3, || 2009 32bit - |- | S10-3 || NM410 and N450 CPU || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D)}} || {{maybe|HD Audio ALC269}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|rtl8169}} || {{no|Atheros 9285 or Broadcom BCM4312 hard blocked}} || 2011 Icaros 1.3, || 2009 32bit - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Samsung Netbooks==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | [http://www.amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=616910&topic_id=33755&forum=28#616910 NC10] || 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SATA}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{partial|SigmaTel HD Audio (playback only)}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{maybe|rtl8169 works but not Marvell 88E8040 sky2}} || {{yes|AR5007EG}} || 2011 Icaros 1.4, || 2009 32bit - Nano silver on keyboard and lcd ribbon cable over hinge issues |- | [http://www.sammywiki.com/wiki/Samsung_NC20 NC20] || VIA VX800 || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{maybe|VIA Chrome9 (VESA only)}} || ALC272 GR (VT1708A) HD Audio || {{yes|USB}} || {{no|Marvell 88E8040}} || {{yes|Atheros AR5001}} || untested || 2009 32bit - |- | NP-N110 NP-N120 || 945GSE || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{yes|ALC272 HD Audio or ALC6628}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{no|Marvell 88E8040}} || {{no|Realtek rtl8187}} || untested || 2009 32bit - Namuga 1.3M Webcam none |- | NP-N130 || 945GSE || {{N/A}} || {{yes|SATA in IDE mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 2D and opengl 1.x 99.5 tunnel 99 gearbox}} || {{yes|Intel HD with ALC272 ALC269 codec playback}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|RTL 8169.device - 8101e 8102e}} || {{no|rtl 8192se rtl8187 too small an area to swap for atheros 5k}} || untested || 2009 32bit - 10.x inch 1024 x 600 - Namuga 1.3M Webcam - front slide power on and f2 setup bios - keyboard 17.7mm Pitch is made with Silver Nano (Anti-Bacterial) tech - small touchpad - 1 ddr2 2rx16 sodimm slot 2G max - 44Wh |- | <!--Name-->Go NP-N310 || <!--Chipset-->N270 + 945GME || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio ALC6628}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{yes|Atheros5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2010 32bit - N280 version changed specs |- | NP-N510 || N270 euro N280 uk + ION MCP79 || {{N/A}} || SATA || nVidia C79 ION [Quadro FX 470M] || HD Audio || USB || Marvell 88E8040 || Realtek 8192E || untested || 2010 32bit - does not boot - cause unknown |- | NP-N145 Plus || n450 + NM10 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D, no VGA output)}} || {{yes|Realtek HD Audio}} || {{yes|USB2.0}} || {{no|Marvell 88E8040}} || {{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || untested || 2010 some support but often the trackpad does not work |- | <!--Name-->NC110 Axx || <!--Chipset-->NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->Sata || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC269 codec A9M22Q2 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4313 or Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - |- | NF210 Pineview || n455 or n550 + N10 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SATA}} || {{maybe|Intel GMA 3150 (needs retesting, VESA works)}} || {{yes|HD Audio}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{no|Marvell 88E8040}} || Wireless || untested || 2011 64bit - some support |- | <!--Name-->NS310 NP-NS310-A03UK || <!--Chipset-->N570 with NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use Vesa 2d }} || <!--Audio-->{{yes| ich7}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 realtek 810xe }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|bcm4313 }} || <!--Test Distro-->2022 AROS One 2.3, || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit Atom N570 or 1.5 GHz Intel Atom N550 dual core processor, 1 DDR3 sodimm slot memory, a 250GB hard drive, and a 10.1 inch, 1024 x 600 pixel 10.1" W7St - 2300mAh short life - |- | <!--Name-->[https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Samsung_N150 N150] NB30 || <!--Chipset-->MN10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8040}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285 or Realtek 8192E}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2011 a little support |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.kruedewagen.de/wiki/index.php/Samsung_N220 N210 N220] N230 || <!--Chipset-->N450 + NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC269 || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit no sse4.1 or avx - |- | <!--Name-->NC110 Pxx Cedarview || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{dunno|Intel GMA 3600}} || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 6000g}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- |} ====Toshiba Netbooks==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->NB100 || <!--Chipset-->945GM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|legacy}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC262 HD Audio}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{yes|AR5001}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Mini NB200 series NB205 || <!--Chipset-->N280 + GSE945 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|IDE legacy mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->ALC272 HD Audio || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{maybe|AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2009 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Mini 300 series NB305 || <!--Chipset-->N455 with NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->legacy || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 3150 (2D) || <!--Audio-->ALC272 HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|RTL8101E RTL8102E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{maybe|AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Mini 500 series NB505 NB520 NB550-10v || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->legacy || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 3150 (2D) || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|RTL8101E RTL8102E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek 8176 RTL 8188CE}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit - |- | [http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Toshiba-NB550D-AMD-Fusion-Netbook.46551.0.html Mini NB550D 10G] 108 (c30) 109 (c50) || C-50 + M1 || {{N/A}} || SATA || AMD 6250 (VESA only) || HD Audio || USB || {{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek 8111e}} || {{maybe|Atheros 9k}} || untested || 2011 64bit Realtek SD card reader |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Misc Netbooks==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="30%" |Comments |- | Cammy's A1600 || GME945 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe}} || {{yes|Intel GMA950 (2D)}} || {{yes|HD Audio playback}} || {{yes}} || {{no|JMC 250/260}} || Wireless || 2010 Icaros 1.2.4, || 2009 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu Siemens Amilo Mini Ui 3520 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 945 || <!--ACPI--> || <!--SATA-->{{yes}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->ALC269 HD Audio || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{yes|AR5001}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - |- | Guillemot Hercules eCafe EC-900 H60G-IA], Mitac MiStation and Pioneer Computers Dreambook Light U11 IL1 || Intel 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{maybe}} || {{yes|Intel GMA950 (2D)}} || {{Yes|HD Audio (playback only)}} || {{yes|uhci and ehci}} || {{yes|rtl8169}} || {{no|RAlink RT2860}} || untested || 2009 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Hannspree Hannsnote SN10E2 24 48 || <!--Chipset-->N450 + NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->IDE legacy mode || <!--Gfx-->Pineview Intel (2D) || <!--Audio-->ALC HD Audio || <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->Atheros l1c || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2009 32bit - |- | MSI Wind U90/U100 || GME945 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{partial|HD Audio ALC888s (playback only?)}} || {{yes|uhci 1.1 and ehci 2.0}} || {{yes|rtl8169}} || {{no|RaLink RT2860 RT2700E or rtl8187se (u100x)}} || 2011 Icaros 1.3, || 2009 32bit - |- | Advent 4211 || 945GSE || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || Intel GMA950 (2D) || ALC HD Audio || USB || rtl8169 || {{no|Intel 3945 ABG}} || untested || 2009 32bit - MSI U100 clone |- | <!--Name-->Hannspree Hannsnote SN10E1 || <!--Chipset-->N270 + GMA945 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->ALC HD Audio || <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E RTL8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|RaLink RT2860}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2009 32bit MSI U100 clone |- | <!--Name--> Vaio VGN-P11Z | <!--Chipset--> | <!--IDE--> {{dunno}} | <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} | <!--Gfx--> {{Partial|Intel (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{no|HD Audio}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Marvell}} | <!--Wireless--> {{unk|Atheros AR928X}} | <!--Test Distro-->2012 Icaros 2.0.3 | <!--Comments-->2008 32bit Rarely boots! |- | <!--Name-->Sony VPC-W11S1E | <!--Chipset-->N280 with 945GSE | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA950 - hdmi}} | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with realtek codec | <!--USB-->3 USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros AR8132}} | <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} | <!--Test Distro-->untested | <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - 10.1" 1366 x 768 glossy - 3hr battery life - |- | <!--Name-->Archos 10 Netbook || <!--Chipset-->Atom with ICH7 NM10 945GSE || <!--IDE-->{{No }} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC662 codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2008 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->MSI Wind U135 DX MS-N014 || <!--Chipset-->Intel N455 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D only accelerated}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|ALC662 rev 1}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|RTL}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros AR 9K}} || <!--Test Distro-->2015 Icaros 2.1, || <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - needs noacpi notls added to grub boot line to start up |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ===Desktop Systems=== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" | <!--OK-->{{Yes|'''Works well'''}} || <!--May work-->{{Maybe|'''Works a little'''}} || <!--Not working-->{{No|'''Does not work'''}} || <!--Not applicable-->{{N/A|'''N/A not applicable'''}} |- |} ====Acer==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->[https://www.acer.com/ac/en/ID/content/support-product/486;-; Veriton X270 VTX270] Intel Core 2 Duo ED7400C or Pentium dual-core UD7600C with 630i | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d Nvidia 7100 VGA and HDMI connections}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe| with realtek codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|4 rear and 5 front}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe| nForce}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 dvd | <!--Comments-->2009 64bit capable but would not fully boot, DHCP address timeout too short and failed often. Put in a third party NIC, worked - 1 PCI Express x16 slot and a free PCI x1 slot - internal thin long psu with 12pin - |- | <!--Name--> Imedia S1710 with Intel Dual Core E5200 | <!--IDE--> {{Yes|SATA/AHCI}} | <!--SATA--> {{Maybe|Native IDE}} | <!--Gfx--> {{Yes|Nvidia nForce 7100}} | <!--Audio--> {{Yes|Nvidia MCP73}} | <!--USB--> {{Yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{No|NVIDIA MCP73 Ethernet}} | <!--Test Distro--> Nightly Build 14-09-2023, AROS One 2.3 | <!--Comments--> 2009 64-bit - Boot over USB not working on front - 2 DDR2 dual channel max 8GB - DEL for entering Bios - F12 for boot menu - Bus weird, could be reason for Ethernet issue |- | <!--Name-->Acer Revo AR1600, R1600 AR3600, R3600, Packard Bell IMAX Mini N3600, ACER Veriton N260G N270G slim nettop subcompact | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|Native IDE mode, '''when it works''' boots}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Nvidia ION GeForce 9300M - nouveau 3d - '''when it boots''' 400 fps in shell'ed gearbox, 278 in tunnel, 42 in teapot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with alc662 codec but nothing from HDMI audio}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|Nvidia USB boot usb2 stick issues and slower with usb3 drives}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|MCP79 nForce}} | <!--Test Distro-->ArosOne 32bit very often boot stuck around ehciInit, 64bit ... | <!--Comments-->2009 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 Intel Atom 230 N280 - 20cm/8" high 1 ltr noisy fan - DEL setup F12 boot options - 2 ddr2 sodimm slots max 4GB - 19v special barrel size 5.5mm/1.7mm psu - 2 ddr2 sodimm slots max 4GB - atheros 5k AR5BXB63 wifi - 3 wire CMOS coin battery - |- | <!--Name-->Revo AR3610 R3610 3610 Atom 330 nettop subcompact dual core | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|Native IDE mode, '''when it works''' boots}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Nvidia ION GeForce 9400M LE MCP79MX 0x10de 0x087d - nouveau 3d - '''when it boots''' 400 fps in shell'ed gearbox, 278 in tunnel, 42 in teapot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with Realtek alc662 rev1 alc662-hd later ALC885 codec but nothing from HDMI audio}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|Nvidia USB with 1% chance slow boot with usb2 sticks, more issues with usb3 drives}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|RTL8211CL MCP79 nForce 0x10de 0x0ab0}} | <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 32bit 1.5, 1.6 and 2.4 usb around ehciInit or Kernel SATA, etc try ATA=off, and 64bit 1.2 USB boot often stuck at device 0x00000000b05228c8 interrrupt by using noacpi noiopica | <!--Comments-->2010 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 20cm/8" high 1 ltr noisy fan - non usb hub keyboard - DEL bios setup, F12 BBS POPUP/drive boot - 2 ddr2 sodimm slots max 4GB - 19v barrel psu with smaller inner pin size 5.5mm/1.7mm - replace wifi RT3090 ver c (0x1814 0x3090) with atheros 5k - 3 wire CMOS coin battery - |- | <!--Name-->Revo N281G | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|GMA 2d for GMA 3100}} | <!--Audio-->HD audio codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX and SSE 4.1 Atom D425 - 19v 65w barrel psu thinner inner pin - 2 DDR3L single channel max 4GB - replace wifi RT3090 ver d with atheros 5k mini pci-e - 1lr or 1.5 ltr dvdrw case 209.89 mm, (D) 209.89 mm, (H) 35.35 mm - del enter bios - 3 wire CMOS coin battery - |- | <!--Name-->REVO AR3700 R3700 3700 - ACER Veriton N282G *one long beep with two short - bios damaged *looping one long two short - video card fault *two short beeps - CMOS damaged *got one long and one short beep - board error? | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE ready in Bios * Known issue, boot into bios, set bios to UEFI and reboot, set bios back to defaults and reboot, blank display, repair with reflash of 8 pin Winbond W25Q socketed bios chip with ch341a using P01.B0L or P01.A4 renamed amiboot.rom}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Nvidia ION2 GT218 9400M class 0x10de 0x0a64 with vga fine but hdmi fussy over cable and display port used - 32bit nouveau 2d & 3d gearbox 404 tunnel 292 teapot 48 - 64bit not detected}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDA Intel with Realtek ALC662 rev1 codec 0x10ec 0x0662, head phones only but nothing from NVidia HDMI 0x10de 0x000b}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|Intel® NM10 Express (NM10 is basically an ICH7 with a die shrink and IDE removed) USB boots usb, installs usb, accesses ok}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 Realtek rtl8111g}} | <!--Test Distro-->AROS one 32bit USB 1.5 and 1.6 and ArosOne 64bit usb 1.2 | <!--Comments-->2011 Atom D525 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 20cm/8" high 1 ltr noisy fan - early 2 ddr2 sodimm slots but later 2 ddr3 sodimm slots 1Rx8 max 4GB - 19v barrel psu thinner pin - replace wifi RT3090 ver d with atheros 5k mini pci-e - cmos 3pin cr2032CL plastic wrapped - del bios f12 boot choice - |- | <!--Name-->Revo 70 (RL70) with or without dvdrw | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->6320 or 6310 | <!--Audio-->HD audio ALC662-VCO-GR codec | <!--USB-->USB2, 1.1 Hudson D1 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111E | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 AMD E450 1.65GHz - 19v 65w barrel psu thinner inner pin - 2 DDR3L single channel max 4GB - replace wifi RT3090 ver d with atheros 5k mini pci-e - 1lr or 1.5 ltr dvdrw case 209.89 mm, (D) 209.89 mm, (H) 35.35 mm - del enter bios - |- |} ====Asus==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->EEEbox B202 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA950 | <!--Audio-->Intel Azalia HDaudio with Realtek ALC662 or ALC888-GR CODEC | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111 or JM250 | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros | <!--Comments-->internal 3 types of wifi chipset not supported |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Dell==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name--> Precision 340 | <!--IDE--> {{yes}} | <!--SATA--> {{n/a}} | <!--Gfx--> {{n/a}} | <!--Audio--> {{yes|Intel AC97}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 1.1 (UHCI)}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{yes|3Com}} | <!--Test Distro--> Nightly Build 2014 09-27 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Dimension 2400 | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel 82845GL Brookdale G/GE (VESA 640x480 by 16)}} | <!--Audio-->{{Unk|AC97 with ADI codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|UHCI EHCI}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom 440x 4401}} | <!--Test Distro-->[http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?p=832495 Icaros 1.4] | <!--Comments-->Graphics chipset is capable of higher resolution. |- | <!--Name-->Dimension 4600 | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{dunno}} | <!--Gfx-->{{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel AC97 (use rear black port)}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|UHCI/EHCI}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Intel PRO/100}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.5.2 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex 170L | <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE}} | <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{no|Intel AC97}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{yes|Intel PRO/100}} | <!--Test Distro--> {{dunno}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex GX260 | <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE}} | <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{yes|Intel AC97}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Intel PRO/1000}} | <!--Test Distro--> Nightly Build 2014 09-27 | <!--Comments--> |- | Optiplex GX270 | {{yes|Working}} | {{partial|IDE mode}} | {{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | {{yes|Intel AC97}} | {{yes|USB 2.0}} | {{no|Intel PRO/1000}} | Icaros 1.5.2 | <!--Comments--> |- | Optiplex GX280 | {{yes|Working}} | {{partial|IDE mode}} | {{maybe|Intel GMA (only VESA tested)}} | {{yes|Intel AC97}} | {{yes|USB 2.0}} | {{no|Broadcom}} | Nightly Build 2014 09-27 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex GX520 | <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE}} | <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx--> {{yes|Intel GMA}} | <!--Audio--> {{partial|Intel AC97 (no line-out)}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro--> {{dunno}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex 745 | <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel GMA (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{partial|HD Audio (no volume control)}} | <!--USB--> {{partial|Only keyboard mouse (legacy mode)}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro--> {{dunno}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex 755 | <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel GMA (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{no|HD Audio}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Intel Gigabit}} | <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.5.1 | <!--Comments--> Around 25 second delay in booting from USB |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex 990 | <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> {{partial|non-RAID mode}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel HD (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Intel Gigabit}} | <!--Test Distro--> Nightly Build 2014 09-27 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Optiplex 360 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|ordinary boot gives VGA mode only - VESA}} | <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio (Analog Devices ID 194a)}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro-->Aspire Xenon | <!--Comments-->poor support |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse Vx0 (V90 V30), Vx0L (V10L V90L), Vx0LE (V30LE V90LE) from VIA C7 800GHz to Eden 1.2GHz | <!--IDE-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for S3 UniChrome Pro}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 VIA VT8233A with ?? codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 back and 1 front USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|early models work but later VT6102-3 do not}} | <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 2.2 | <!--Comments-->2006 to 2009 32bit - 12V 4A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm - 1 sodimm DDR 333MHz SO-DIMM later DDR2 - early V90s do seem to have a reliability problem - |- | <!--Name-->[https://www.poppedinmyhead.com/2021/01/wyse-cx0-thin-client-notes-experiences.html Dell Wyse Cx0] C00LE, C10LE, C30LE, C50LE, C90LE, C90LE7, C90LEW VIA C7 Eden 1GHz | <!--IDE-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d VX855 VX875 Chrome 9}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|some VIA VT8237A VT8251 HDA with ?? codec work}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|4 outside 2 inside USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|VT6120 VT6121 VT6122 Gigabit}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 | <!--Comments-->2010 to 2013 32bit - [https://ae.amigalife.org/index.php?topic=815.0 boots and works] - 12V 2.5A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm - 1 sodimm ddr2 - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Dell RxxL Rx0L Wyse thin client *R00L Cloud PC of Wyse WSM *R10L Wyse Thin OS *R50L Suse Linux Enterprise *R90L Win XP Embedded *R90LW Win Embedded Standard 2009 *R90L7 Win Embedded Standard 7 | <!--IDE-->128Mb IDE or 1GB | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|SATA Hyperdisk}} | <!--Gfx-->AMD 690E RS690M Radeon Xpress 1200 1250 1270 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->4 usb2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2009 64bit AMD Sempron™ 210U SMG210UOAX3DVE 1.5GHz SB600, up to 4GB single slot 240-pin DDR2 DIMM, 19v barrel psu, DEL key bios - Late 2012 2 data sockets added but only CN18 be used with two white sockets (CN13 & CN15) can used to power the SATA device "4-pin Micro JST 1.25mm |- | <!--Name-->Optiplex 390 sff small form factor - mt mini tower desktop - dt full desktop | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|1 pci-e}} | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|realtek}} | <!--Test Distro-->aros one 1.6 usb | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit dual i3 2xxx - kettle iec plug psu cable - add nvidia gf218 gfx - error code 3 mobo or cpu - |- | <!--Name-->Optiplex 3010 sff small form factor | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|1 pci-e}} | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom 57XX}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit dual i3 3xxx - kettle iec plug psu cable - |- | <!--Name-->Optiplex 7010 sff small form factor | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|1 pci-e}} | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom or Intel 825xx}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit dual i3 3xxx Q77 - kettle iec plug psu cable - add pci-e ethernet and nvidia gf218 gfx - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse 5010 thin client ThinOS D class (D10D D00D D00DX, Dx0D), PCoIP (D10DP) or D90D7, 5040 *username: Administrator, admin, [blank] *password: Fireport, DellCCCvdi, rappot, Wyse#123, Administrator, administrator, r@p8p0r+ | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE mode may need 30cm ext cable as small area for half-slim sata ssd - decased new ssd??}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d 1400x1050 HD6250E IGP by using DVI to hdmi cable and 1 display port, no hdmi port}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD 6.34 audio chipset detected but codec alc269 working from one case speaker - none if v6.29 used}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|most 5010 have 4 USB 2.0 but D90Q7 has 2 USB3 instead}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8168 8169 - rev 1.?? 8111? - rev 1.91 8111E}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit no SSE4.1 or AVX slow AMD G-T44R 1.2Ghz later G-T48E 1.4Ghz Dual Bobcat Brazos BGA413 - Del for BIOS - p key to select boot with noacpi - single DDR3 sodimm slot max 4Gb, (8Gb hynix 2rx8 ddr3l)? (remove small board to upgrade) - passive no fan - 15cm/6" small 1ltr case and lack of expansion options - PA16 19v barrel psu Coax 5.5mm/2.5mm |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse 7010 DTS thin client (Z class Zx0D) *2011 Zx0 Z90D7 2GF/2GR *2013 Z10D *2014 Z50D 2GF/2GR *2012 Cisco VXC 6000 CVXC-6215-K9 white | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|Bios set Sata mode to IDE mode and grub boot add 'noacpi' for half slim sata2 ssd or/with 50cm sata ext cable}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d HD6310 HD6320 Terascale 2 through DVI and sometimes DP 1.1a - no hdmi port}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio 6.34 detected but ALC269VB codec works on the one case speaker only}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|2.0 works but NEC 720200 3.0 not working}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8169 8111e 8111F}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 and Aros One 32bit 1.5, 1.9 and 2.3 usb and 64bit 1.2 | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 slow AMD G-t52R 1.5GHz later G-T56N 1.65 GHz Dual with A50M FCH - 20cm/8" high 1.5ltr larger fanless black plastic case with metal ventilated box inside - 2 desktop DDR3L DIMM slots max 16GB - PA-16 19v external psu Coax 5.5mm/2.5mm - 2 40cm SMA female WiFi Antenna to IPEX IPX u.fl Ufl Cable pigtail needed - does not like uefi boot devices - |- | <!--Name-->Wyse 7020 Thin Client * 2013 Quad-core AMD GX-420CA 2.0 GHz (25W) - * 2018 Zx0Q Quad-core AMD GX-415GA 1.5 GHz (15W) with Quad display 3dp and 1dvi | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 sata port | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d only for AMD Radeon HD8400E radeonsi (dual display) or AMD Radeon HD 8330E IGP with AMD Radeon E6240 Seymour E6460 (quad display), no hdmi ports}} | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->4 x USB2.0 works but 2 USB3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8169 8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 quad eKabini Jaguar cores - two SODIMM sockets layered in centre of mobo DDR3L RAM - Coax 5.5mm/2.5mm ac psu 9mm plug is too short but 14mm length is fine - 15cm/6" high smaller 1ltr case and lack of expansion options - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse Dx0Q (5020) D90Q8 NJXG4 AMD G-Series | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 sata port | <!--Gfx-->HD 8330E | <!--Audio--> with Realtek codec | <!--USB-->4 x USB2.0 works but 2 USB3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8169 8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 Quad-core AMD GX-415GA 1.5 GHz - 2 layered near edge of mobo 204-pin DDR3L SODIMM (bottom one tricky to insert) - 19v Coax 5.5mm/2.5mm - passive no fan - 15cm/6" high smaller 1ltr case and lack of expansion options |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse 5060 N07D thin client | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE bios mode for sata2 port}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2d - AMD R5E GCN2 IGP Sea Islands thru dp1 with an hdmi adapter no output thru dp2 - no hdmi dvi ports}} | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio with Realtek ALC231 codec head phones only}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|4 x USB2.0 works but 2 USB3.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 realtek 8169 8111h}} | <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 1.6 usb | <!--Comments-->2017 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 quad GX-424CC 19.5v external psu - CN-0Y62H1 mobo with 2 layered ddr3l 16Gb max sodimm slots at edge of mobo, bottom 0 one blocking - passive no fan so quiet - 15cm/6" high smaller 1ltr case and lack of expansion options - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Fujitsu Siemens==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="15%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | Scenic [http://uk.ts.fujitsu.com/rl/servicesupport/techsupport/ProfessionalPC/Scenic/ScenicE/ScenicE.htm E600] (compact desktop) | | | {{partial|VESA only}} | {{yes|AC97}} | | {{no|Intel PRO/1000}} | {{dunno}} | Nice small, silent PC with good AROS support. |- | Scenic T i845 | {{dunno}} | {{n/a}} | {{n/a}} | {{dunno|Intel AC97}} | {{dunno|UHCI}} | {{dunno|Intel PRO/100}} | Icaros 1.5.2 | AROS does not boot |- | <!--Name-->Futro S200 S210 S220 and later S300 | <!--IDE-->{{yes| compactflash CF card max ??}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 315PRO PCI/AGP }} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|AC97 via }} | <!--USB-->{{unk|via uhci and ehci}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|via VT6102 [Rhine-II] (rev 74) }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2008 32bit - TR5670 Rev 1.4 mother with Transmeta TM5800 cpu - pci socket - single SODIMM socket for DDR memory PC2700S max 512MB - |- | <!--Name-->Futro S400 | <!--IDE-->{{yes| but swap with compactflash CF card already with AROS installed}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS741CX }} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|AC97 SiS7018}} | <!--USB-->{{unk|sis uhci and ehci}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|rtl8169 }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2008 32bit - AMD Geode NX1500 1GHz gets hot - SiS 963L / SiS 741CX chipset - 12V 4.2A 4-pin (DP-003-R) psu - single SODIMM socket for DDR PC2700S max 1G - large case 246 x 48 x 177cms torx screws - pci socket - |- | <!--Name-->FUJITSU Futro S700 and S900 Thin Client (based on mini-ITX motherboard D3003-A12, D3003-C1 lesser variant of [https://www.parkytowers.me.uk/thin/Futro/s900/TechNotes_V3.1_Mini-ITX_D3003-S.pdf D3003-S]) *G-T56N 1.65GHz *G-T40N 1.00GHz *G-T44R 1.20GHz | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 sata data socket but mSata 18+8pins 1GB-16GB | <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 6320, HD 6250, HD 6290 dvi or displayport (DP runs higher) | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->{{yes|two USB2 front sockets and four on the rear}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit AMD slow atom-like and fanless - 20V 2A psu 5.5mm/2.1mm coax (S900) - 2 DDR3L SODIMM sockets max 8GB tricky to run 1333 MHz on the Futro S900 - proprietary X2 PCI-e - 1 PCI socket but need a right-angle adaptor - |- | <!--Name-->esprimo p420 e85 desktop case | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx-->Intel 4600 or old Geforce in pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HDAudio realtek alc671 codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2013 64bit - 2 ddr3 dimm slots - 16 pin special psu - |- | <!--Name-->esprimo E420 e85+ SFF case | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx-->Intel 4600 or low profile pci-e card | <!--Audio-->HDAudio realtek alc671 codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 8111G | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2013 64bit - 2 ddr3 dimm slots - 16ish pin special psu - hd under front metal bracket, take front cover off first with 3 tabs - 3 slim pci-e slots - |- | <!--Name-->Futro S520 AMD dual 1.0Ghz codenamed "Steppe Eagle" * GX-210HA @ 1.0GHz * GX-212ZC @ 1.2GHz | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->no sata - 4Gb or 16Gb flash memory soldered to the board | <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon HD 8210E (GX210HA) or AMD Radeon R1E (GX212ZC) | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111e | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - smaller than ITX 160mm x 160mm Fujitsu D3314-A11 - 19V 3.4A PSU standard 5.5mm/2.1mm coax plug - 1 ddr3 sodimm slot - |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu Futro S720 ThinClient D3313-B13 D3313-F *2014 64bit AMD GX-217GA 1.65GHz VFY:S0720P8009FR VFY:S0720P8008DE VFY:S0720P4009GB *2015 64bit AMD GX-222GC 2.20GHz VFY:S0720P702BDE VFY:S0720P702BFR all begin VFY:S0720P and end two digit country code | <!--IDE--> {{N/A|}} | <!--SATA--> {{Yes|up to 2 Sata-cable-connector with space in casing so normal SSD/HDD over Sata was running very well on AHCI and IDE-Mode and 2242 mSata}} | <!--Gfx--> {{Maybe|use VESA 2D for AMD Radeon HD 8280E IGP ( islands) or later R5E IGP ( islands)}} | <!--Audio--> {{yes|HDAudio ALC671 codec partially working, external audio speaker}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|4 rear USB 2.0 but not front 2 USB 3.1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8169}} | <!--Test Distro-->AROS One USB 2.0 | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit supports AVX and SSE 4.1 - 1 ddr3 Sodimm slot max 8Gb - 19V-20V 2A 5.5mm/2.5mm coax - D3313-B13 stripped down Mini-ITX mobo D3313-S1/-S2/-S3 (eKabini) D3313-S4/-S5/-S6 - SATA data socket can be located under the fins of the cpu heatsink is fanless - mPCIe socket for wireless card - |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu FUTRO S920 D3313-E D3313-G *2016 AMD GX-222GC SOC 2.20GHz Dual *2017 AMD G-Series GX-415GA (1.50 GHz, Quad Core, 2 MB, AMD Radeon™ HD 8330E) *2017 AMD G-Series GX-424CC 2.40 GHz Quad | <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> {{yes|2242 mSata and 1 Sata-cable-connector with space in casing so normal SSD/HDD over Sata possible}} | <!--Gfx--> {{yes|use VESA 2D for Radeon R5E GCN2/3 IGP}} | <!--Audio--> {{yes|HDAudio ALC671 codec partially working}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|4 rear USB 2.0, front 2 USB 3.1 downgradable to 2.0 in BIOS setting}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8169}} | <!--Test Distro--> AROS One USB 2.4 | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 2 so dimm slot with max of 8 GB - 19v barrel psu 5.5mm 2.5mm - SATA data socket can be located under the fins of the heatsink - mPCIe a e keyed socket for wireless card - propetary X2 connector with official raizer to X1 connector - almost silent background noise, not affecting sound quality in any way |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu Thin Client Futro S5011 S7011 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2D for AMD Vega 3 on 2 dp 1.4}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with ALC623 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 USB 3.2 Gen 2 front and 3 usb2 rear }} | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - AMD Ryzen Dual Core R1305G or R1505G 1ltr case - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - TPM 2.0 - 19v 3.42amp round coax or usb-c 20c 3.25a external psu - |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu FUTRO S9011 Thin Client VFY:S9011THU1EIN || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2D for AMD Vega 3 on 2 dp 1.4}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with ALC623 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 USB 3.2 Gen 2 front and 3 usb2 rear }} || <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit Ryzen Embedded R1606G - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - TPM 2.0 - |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} ====HP Compaq==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Compaq presario 7360 | <!--IDE-->{{yes|Working}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|AC97 via}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|issues}} | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Compaq EP Series 6400/10 | <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE}} | <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} | <!--Gfx--> {{N/A}} | <!--Audio--> {{no|ISA}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 1.1}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{N/A}} | <!--Test Distro--> {{dunno}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Compaq Evo D510 | {{yes|Working}} | {{N/A}} | {{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | {{yes|AC97}} | {{yes|Working}} | {{yes|Intel PRO/100}} | Icaros 1.5 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Compaq DX2000 MT | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Intel Extreme 2 (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio-->{{no|detects AC97 but no support for ADI AD1888 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|OHCI/EHCI }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82526EZ e1000}} | <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.51 | <!--Comments-->boots ok but no audio |- | <!--Name-->Compaq DX 2200 | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|RC410 [Radeon Xpress 200] (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio-->{{dunno|HD Audio}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|OHCI/EHCI issues }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} | <!--Test Distro--> {{dunno}} | <!--Comments-->issues |- | <!--Name--> d230 | <!--IDE--> {{yes|UDMA}} | <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{partial|Intel AC97 (speaker and headphones only, no line-out)}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{Maybe|Broadcom BCM4401}} | <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.4.5 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->HP Pavilion a220n || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|VESA 1024x768 on nVidia GF4 MX with 64MB shared video ram}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Realtek ALC650 AC'97 comp.}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8201BL 10/100 LAN}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 2.5|| <!--Comments-->2004 32bit athlon xp 2600+ Socket 462 / Socket A - 2 dimm ddr pc2700 - |- | <!--Name-->t500 | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|FX5200 (2D; 3D with older driver)}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 ICH4 ALC658D}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|UHCI/EHCI}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8101L 8139}} | <!--Test Distro-->Nightly Build 2012-09-22 | <!--Comments-->2004 |- | <!--Name-->DC7700 | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 2D}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes| ICH8}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|82566DM e1000e}} | <!--Test Distro-->Nightly Build 2013-??-?? | <!--Comments-->2006 Some support at low cost |- | <!--Name-->HP dc 7600 CMT | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 950}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Realtek ACL 260}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel PRO/1000 GT}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->HP t5000 thin client series t5500 t5510 t5515 PC538A or PC542A t5700 t5710 Transmeta Crusoe Code Morphing TM 5400 5600 800Mhz | <!--IDE-->128mb to 512MB | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->Ati Radeon 7000M | <!--Audio-->VIA with codec | <!--USB-->{{No|Issues}} | <!--Ethernet-->VIA Rhine 2 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2006 32bit - ddr max 1GB - F10 setup - all t51xx and some t55xx units will not include a SODIMM slot - |- | <!--Name-->HP t5000 thin client series CN700 *HSTNC-002L-TC t5135, t5530 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d 128Mb Via S3 32-bit colour | <!--Audio-->AC97 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->VIA VT6102 VT6103 [Rhine-II] (rev 78) | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 32bit t5135 appears identical to the t5530 except the CPU VIA Esther 400 MHz - RAM 64Mb (? max) - 8 x USB2.0 - 12V 3.33A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm |- | <!--Name-->HP t5720, t5725 HSTNC-001L-TC | <!--IDE-->{{unk| }} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d SiS741GX 2048 x 1536 32-bit colour | <!--Audio-->AC97 SiS SiS7012 AC'97 | <!--USB-->6 x USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->VIA VT6102 VT6103 [Rhine-II] (rev 8d) | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 32bit AMD Geode NX1500 1GHz socketed - RAM 512MB or 1GB, 256MB, 512MB or 1GB - 12V psu - sis DDMA support - custom 1.13 BIOS - pci low profile - |- | <!--Name-->t5000 series VX800 HSTNC-004-TC t5145, t5540, t5545, t5630 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d VIA Chrome9 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio VIA | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|VT6120 VT6121 VT6122 Gigabit (rev 82)}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 32bit - RAM 64Mb (? max) - 8 x USB2.0 - 12V 4.16A Coax: 5.5mm/2.1mm - |- | <!--Name-->t5730w HSTNC-003-TC t5730 | <!--IDE-->{{n/a|ATA 44pin DOM Flash}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d ATI Radeon X1250 2048 x 1536 no 3D | <!--Audio-->HD audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{Yes|6 x USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom 5707M tg3 10/100/1000}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2008 64bit AMD Sempron 2100+ 1GHz - 1 slot of ddr2 sodimm (Max 2GB) - 12V 4.16A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm - F10 enter bios F12 boot devices - |- | <!--Name-->HSTNC-005-TC gt7720, gt7725 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d AMD RS780G HD 3200 - 2560 x 1600 DVI-D & DVI-H | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->8 x USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5787M}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2009 64bit AMD Turion Dual Core CPU 2.3GHz - 1 DDR2 200-pin SODIMM - 19V 4.16A Coax 7.4mm/5.0mm (gt7725) - |- | <!--Name-->HP t5740 Thin Client HSTNC-006-TC t5740, t5745, st5742 | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->1 port | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Intel CL40 VGA and DisplayPort connectors}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with IDT codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM57780 Gigabit}} | <!--Test Distro-->Nightly build and Icaros | <!--Comments-->2009 32bit Atom N280 - F10 on power up to get into the BIOS screens. F12 brings up the boot options - hp 19V one with a coax connector, outer diameter 4.8mm with inner to be 1.7mm to 1.4mm - 2 ddr3 sodimm slots max 3gb due to 32bit - 1 pci-e slot completely non standard - |- | <!--Name-->t5000 series HSTNC-012-TC VIA Nano u3500 VX900 *t5550 512MB/1GB Windows CE6 R3 *t5565 1GB/1GB HP ThinPro *t5570 2GB/1GB WES 2009 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d VIA ChromotionHD 2.0 GPU Chrome9 | <!--Audio-->VIA 9170 VT1708S codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM57780 Gigabit}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->32bit - 1 sodimm - 19V 3.42A supply connector standard yellow-tip coax plug 4.8mm/1.8mm "Standard HP Compaq DC Power Plug 4.8mm x 1.5mm / 1.7mm Yellow Tip Connector - |- | <!--Name-->HP t510 Via Eden X2 U4200 HSTNC-012-TC shares features with t5570e, t5565z | <!--IDE-->2G ATA Flash DOM | <!--SATA-->one | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for Chrome9 VIA ChromotionHD 2.0 gfx}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|VIA VT8237A VT8251 HDA with codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|6 USB2 }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom Corporation NetLink BCM57780 Gigabit Ethernet PCIe}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 32bit - one slot ddr3 sodimm max 4GB - 19V 3.42A Coax 4.8mm/1.8mm - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->HP T610 Thin Client and thicker PLUS version AMD G-T56N A55E | <!--IDE-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 6320 1 dp port 1 dvi | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC codec | <!--USB-->two USB2 on the front, two USB2 and two USB 3 ports on the rear | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM57780}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 64bit does not support AVX SSE 4.1 - 2 204-pin DDR3 1600MHz SODIMMs PC3-12800 under motherboard via removable panel - 19.5V 3A Coax male 7.4mm/5.0mm + centre pin - |- | <!--Name-->HP T420 Thin Client *AMD Embedded G-Series GX-209JA SOC (1 GHz, 2 cores) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 8180 dvi vga | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC codec | <!--USB-->2 front 2 rear USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2015 64bit supports AVX SSE 4.1 - soldered in place 2GB DDR3 - smaller than usual 19.5V 2.31A Coax male 4.5mm/3.0mm + centre pin - usb stick internal for storage - E15 BBR - |- | <!--Name-->HP t520 TPC-W016 *AMD GX-212JC 1.2Ghz (2 core) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 m.2 mounting holes for 2242 and 2260 SSDs SATA (not NVME) | <!--Gfx-->Radeon R2E GCN2 IGP Sea Islands | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC codec | <!--USB-->2 USB3 front, 4 USB2 back | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2014 2017 64 bit supports AVX SSE 4.1 - 1 204-pin DDR3 SODIMM - 19.5V 3.33A 7.4mm Coax with central pin |- | <!--Name-->HP t620 TPC-I004-TC *AMD G-Series GX-217GA 2 core APU 1.65GHz (65W) *AMD GX-415GA 4 core (65W) and t620 PLUS (PRO wider version) TPC-I020-TC *AMD GX-420CA SOC 4 core (Plus 85W) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|single M.2 2280 socket sata3, mSATA socket removed end of 2014}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2d for Radeon HD 8280E graphics 8330E Islands GCN2 IGP - 2 dp ports no dvi}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio with Realtek ALC221 codec 0x10EC 0x0221}} | <!--USB-->{{unk|4 front, 2 back, 1 inside limited space}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8169}} | <!--Test Distro-->Aros One 32bit with noacpi added to grub boot line | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit supports AVX SSE 4.1 - 2 DDR3L SODIMMs side by side - mSATA ssd and M.2 SSD are M1.6 screws, M2.0 screws used on most SSDs - 19.5V 3.33A Coax male 7.4mm 5mm with centre pin - changed the network card to a Atheros 5000 compatible - |- | <!--Name-->HP T530 *AMD GX-215JJ (2 core) 1.5GHz | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 m.2 sata ssd up to 2280 | <!--Gfx-->Radeon R2E | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC codec | <!--USB-->1 USB3.1, 1 usb-c front, 4 USB2 back | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2015 64 bit does support AVX SSE 4.1 - 1 204-pin DDR4 SODIMM - 19.5V 2.31A Coax male 4.5mm/3.0mm with centre pin - |- | <!--Name-->HP T730 Wider "Thin" Client TPC-I018-TC Pixar RX-427BB (2c4t) - no display and fans blowing full speed caused by '''disabling internal gpu in bios''' flash L43_0116.bin onto smc MX25L6473F (3.3V 8-PIN SOP (200mil) SPI 25xx) ([https://www.badcaps.net/forum/troubleshooting-hardware-devices-and-electronics-theory/troubleshooting-desktop-motherboards-graphics-cards-and-pc-peripherals/bios-schematic-requests/96303-hp-t730-password-locked-bios in the rom rcvry socket under a delicate thin narrow surface flap]) with ch341a alike switchable from 5v, 3.3v to 1.8v | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{partial|Storage bios option to IDE and not AHCI to prevent constant install error messages to DH0: - add noacpi to end of grub boot line - 1 M.2 SATA slot (Key B+M) up to 2280 with T8 torx secure stub}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|use VESA for non-vulkan Radeon R7 GCN 2 UVD4.2 Sea Islands with 4 dp outs '''but too easy bricking''' if swapping with 1 PCIe 3.0 x8 slot 30W slim factor low profile 8400gs gt210 nvs295 nvs310 gt1030}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDaudio 6.34 realtek alc221 codec thru case speaker only}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|'''Works''' for 4 USB2 in the back with 2 in the front, 2 USB3.0 ports on front and 1 more internal (not bootable)}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111HSH-CG set up first in Prefs/Network}} | <!--Test Distro-->boots with AROS One 32bit and 64bit USB with added noacpi added to grub boot line - press e - Latest distros can select grub boot options with Aros One 64bit USB and Aros One USB 2.8 but system seems to freeze after choice | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit supports AVX SSE 4.1 - 2 DDR3L sodimm stacked slots max 32GB - '''Larger''' 20cm/8" high 3.5ltr case noisy fan - TPM2 - esc/F9 boot selector F10 enter bios - 2 serial and 1 parallel old ports - Key E Wireless - PCIe slot (x16 physical, x8 electrical) - 19.5V 4.36A 85w TPC-LA561 HP 7.4mm black-ring-tip power plug, red flashing power button, wrong psu or bad MotherBoard MB - |- | <!--Name-->HP t630 Thin Client TPC-I020-TC *AMD Embedded G-Series SoC GX-420GI quad core 2Ghz | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|ahci.device mbr msdos partiton table for 2 Sata M.2, sata0 up to 2280 (1tb max), sata1 2242 (64gb max), both T8 torx secure stubs}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|use VESA for Radeon AMD Wani R7E with 2 displayport 1.2 sockets, use one nearest to power jack - no dvi / hdmi}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio 6.36 0x1022, 0x157a and ALC255 aka ALC3234 codec 0x10ec, 0x0255, pins 0x17 as LFE and 0x1b as int speaker but not ahi 6.34}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2 2 front and 2 rear, 2 front USB3 and 1 inside}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8169 8111H}} | <!--Test Distro-->AROS One USB 2.2, 2.8 and 64bit USB 1.0, 1.2, 1.3 with noacpi added to the end of the grub bootline (press e) | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit supports AVX SSE 4.1 - 2 DDR4 SODIMMs side by side speed 1866Mhz limit - 19.5V 3.33A 65W TPC-BA54 Coax male 7.4mm with centre pin - can be easily bricked, might reflash bios with M40 SP149736 - 20cm/8" high 1.5ltr larger fanless case - esc f1 f9 f10 - |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq Elite 7200 7300 8200 8300 SFF with kettle IEC psu cable | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{yes|IDE ata legacy only in BIOS}} | <!--Gfx-->i pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|8200 works}} | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel or Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro-->icaros 2.3 | <!--Comments-->2013 64bit dual core - add pci-e rtl8169 ethernet card and pci-e gf210 nvidia low height - |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq Pro 6305 Small Form Factor SFF AMD A75 chipset (FCH 6 SATA 6 Gb/s, 4 USB 3.0) *AMD Quad A10-5800B *AMD A8-5500B *AMD Dual A6-5400B *AMD A4-5300B | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 7000 Terascale iGPU series Radeon HD 7660D, Radeon HD 7560D, Radeon HD 7540D, Radeon HD 7480D | <!--Audio-->HD ALC221 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom 5761}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Elitedesk 705 G1 - SFF *AMD A10-8850B, Quad-Core A10 PRO-7850B, A10-8750B *AMD A10-7800B, A10 PRO-6800B, A8-7600B *AMD A8-8650B, A6-8550B *AMD A6-8350B, Dual A6 PRO 7400B, A4-7300B | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D with Radeon R7 or 8000}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD audio with Realtek ALC221 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom or Intel}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - T15 security torx psu with 6pin PWR 200W connector - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteDesk 705 G2, 705 G3 Mini PC USFF thin client | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2.5in and m.2 | <!--Gfx-->Radeon R7 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5762 GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit AM4 socket with 35W TDP A10-8770E (4c), AMD PRO A6-8570E (2c), AMD Pro A6-9500E, or AMD PRO A10-9700E on AMD B300 FCH - ddr4 sodimm slots - 77 x 175 x 34mm (6.97 x 6.89 x 1.34in) 1L and about 3lbs - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteDesk 705 G4 Mini 1ltr USFF AMD Ryzen 3 2200G (4c t) or 5 2400G (4c t) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|Nvme 2280 and 2.5in sata}} | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 thru DP1.2 port | <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio Conexant codec}} | <!--USB-->USB2 usb3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit Am4 socket - 2 sodimm 16GB max - 19.5v hp socket ext psu - |- | <!--Name-->Elitedesk 705 G4 35w, HP Prodesk 405 G4 35W USFF - baseboard 83e9 35W - AMD Athlon PRO 200GE (2c 4t), 2200GE (4c t) or 2400GE (4c t) on AMD B350 FCH | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|Nvme 2280 and older models 2.5in sata}} | <!--Gfx-->Vega 3, 8 or 11 with 2 dp1.2 ports | <!--Audio-->{{no|HDAudio with Conexant CX20632 codec}} | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8169 8111EPH 1Gbe or Realtek RTL8111F | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2017 64bit - realtek wifi 8821 or 8822 - up to 1 ddr4 dimm slots - hp barrel external ac - |- | <!--Name-->Elitedesk 705 G5, HP Elitedesk 806 G6, Prodesk 405 G6 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2x NVMe or 1x SATA + 1x NVMe, but not all three drives at the same time without serious modding of hd caddie || <!--Gfx-->Vega with DP1.4 port || <!--Audio-->{{no|HDAudio with Realtek ALC3205 codec}} || <!--USB-->USB3 || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - 3400GE Ryzen 5 PRO 3350GE (4c 8t), Ryzen 3 PRO 3200GE 3150GE (4c 4t), AMD Athlon Silver PRO 3125GE (2c 4t) on AMD PRO 565 |- | <!--Name-->HP t540 1ddr4 slot, t640 2 DDR4 SDRAM sodimm SO-DIMM 260-pin non-ECC max 32gb thin client USFF | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 NVM Express (NVMe) 2230 or 2280 | <!--Gfx-->Vega 3 VGA, DisplayPort | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->2 USB3 gen1 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek Realtek RTL8111HSH or RTL8111E PH-CG | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2019 64bit ryzen r1000 series Ryzen Embedded R1305G 1.5 GHz, R1505G dual (2c 4t) 2.0Ghz or R1606G ?.?Ghz (2c4t) - Realtek RTL8852AE wifi - 45W psu Coax male 4.5mm/3.0mm + centre pin - |- | <!--Name-->HP t740 SFF Thin Client | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 M.2, one is sata and other nvme | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 DisplayPort or + optional pci-e 30W Radeon E9173 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8111E PH-CG 1Gbe | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - Ryzen Embedded V1756B 3.25Ghz quad - 90W 19.5V 4.62A psu Coax male 4.5mm/3.0mm + centre pin - sodimm DDR4 max 64Gb - slightly noisy fan - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteDesk 805 G6 Mini 4750GE (8t 16t), Prodesk 405 G6 Ryzen 5 PRO 4650GE (6c 12t) or Ryzen 3 PRO 4350GE (4c 8t) on AMD PRO 565 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2.5in carrier and 2 slots m.2 nvme | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 with DP1.4 and HDMI flex io2 output options | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC3205 codec | <!--USB-->4 usb a - gen 2 10gig and gen 1 5gig ports | <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit AMD Ryzen 4000 SBC unlocked - 2 sodimm ddr4 slots - wifi6 - 90W ac - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Lenovo==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Lenovo Nettop IdeaCentre Q150 (40812HU) | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->ION2 | <!--Audio--> realtek codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->intel 10/100 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit D510 |- | <!--Name-->M625q Tiny (1L) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->M.2 Sata | <!--Gfx-->Stoney Radeon R2, R3 or R4 and later R5 with 2 dp ports | <!--Audio-->HD audio with ALC233-VB2-CG codec 0x10EC 0x0233 | <!--USB-->{{No|3 usb3.1 Gen 1 and 3 usb2}} | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 RTL8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit all dual cores - e2-9000e or a4-9120e later A9-9420e - heatsink covers 70% area covers wifi - 65w or 135w lenovo rectangle ac - 1 ddr4 2666MHz slot max 8gb - tpm 2.0 - |- | <!--Name-->M715q Gen 1 AMD A6 A8 A10-9700E 9770E (2c2t) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->m.2 | <!--Gfx-->R4 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->M715q Gen 2 Ryzen 5 PRO 2400GE 4C 8T | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->m.2 | <!--Gfx-->Vega 11 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - f1 enter setup, esc device boot - fixed 1.8v ch341a needed to reflash 1.8v bios if no boot SOP8 DIP8 Winbond W25Q64, MXIC MX25U1635, MX25U6435 - |- | <!--Name-->ThinkCenter M75n nano Ryzen3 3300U | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->ThinkCentre M75q M75q-1 Tiny 1ltr TMM *AMD Ryzen 5 PRO Quad 3500 Pro 3400GE (4c 8t) 11a5 soe400 *AMD 3200GE (2c 4t) zen1+ 11a4 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|NVMe 2280 1Tb max - untested 2.5inch}} | <!--Gfx-->Vega 11 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio Realtek ALC222-CG codec ALC3287 | <!--USB-->3 USB3 Gen 1 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8169 8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 65w 20v 3.25A to 135W rectangle psu - 2 sodimm ddr4 sodimm max 32GB locked 2666MHz - |- | <!--Name-->ThinkCentre Ryzen 7 PRO Tiny 1ltr Gen 2 AMD 4000 series *AMD 4650GE (6c12t) 4750GE (8c16t) 4350G (4c8t) Zen2 - | <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|NVme}} | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8169 8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit vendor locked - 20v psu - 2 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkcenter M75q-2 Gen2 refresh | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->m.2 nvme | <!--Gfx-->Radeon Vega | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->1GigE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit 5650GE (6c12t) 5750GE (8c16t) - vendor/PSB can lock your AMD CPU - f12 boot devices |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Thinkcentre M75q Tiny Gen5 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} | <!--SATA-->2 NVMe | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 780M dp1.4a or hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with codec | <!--USB-->USB3 usb-c | <!--Ethernet-->1GBe port | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2024 Ryzen PRO 7 8700GE - 90W yellow rectangle connector psu - 2 DDR5 sodimm slots max 128Gb - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |} ====Misc==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Impart impact Media Group IQ Box mini Digital Signage with MB896 mini itx | <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->GMA 915 gme | <!--Audio--> via audio | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 32bit - 1 ddr2 slot - pentium m 1.73GHz - |- | <!--Name-->[https://everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_mini/specs/mac_mini_cd_1.83-specs.html Apple A1176 Intel MacMini1,1] | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{unk|gpt/efi }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|gma950 2d and 3d}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with ICH7 [https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+question/186749 Sigmatel Stac 9221] [https://android.googlesource.com/kernel/msm/+/android-wear-5.1.1_r0.6/sound/pci/hda/patch_sigmatel.c codec][https://alsa-devel.alsa-project.narkive.com/Yt20W6cE/sigmatel-stac9221-mux-amp-out-0x02-microphone-not-working mic]}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2006 32bit possible 1.83 GHz Intel “Core Duo” (T2400) - swap pci-e wifi for atheros 5k AR5007EG - maybe hack with a 2,1 firmware - max 4GB Ram ddr2 sodimms - external apple psu - dvd boot only with c key - |- | <!--Name-->[https://everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_mini/specs/mac-mini-core-2-duo-1.83-specs.html Apple A1176 Intel Mac Mini2,1] | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{unk|gpt/efi }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|gma950 2d and 3d}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with ICH7 Sigmatel Stac 9221 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell}} | <!--Test Distro-->Aros One 2.0/ Icaros | <!--Comments-->2007 64bit - swap pci-e wifi for atheros 5k AR5007EG - hacked with a 2,1 firmware and replaced the cpu for T7600 2.33 Ghz C2D and max 4GB Ram ddr2 sodimms - external apple psu - dvd boot only via c key |- | <!--Name-->Apple iMac 5,1 "Core 2 Duo" 1.83GHz 17" T5600 MA710LL || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950 with 64Mb || <!--Audio-->HDAudio idt codec || <!--USB-->3 USB2 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 64bit - 2 ddr2 667MHz sodimm slots - 17.0" TFT widescreen 1440x900 - polycarbonate |- | <!--Name-->Apple iMac 6,1 "Core 2 Duo" 2.16 2.33 24" only T7400 T7600 aka MA456LL/A A1200 (EMC 2111) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Nvidia 7300GT with 128 MB of GDDR3 SDRAM PCI Express or GeForce 7600GT with 256Mb mini dvi, vga || <!--Audio-->HDAudio || <!--USB-->3 USB2 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 64bit - 2 ddr2 667MHz sodimm slots - 24.0" TFT widescreen 1920 x 1200 - polycarbonate plastic case iMacs of this generation are the most difficult iMacs to service due to their front bezel design |- | <!--Name-->Neoware CA2 | <!--IDE-->flash DOM | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->S3 Inc ProSavage PM133 (rev 02) vga | <!--Audio-->VIA VT82C686 AC97 Audio | <!--USB-->USB | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8139 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - VIA Ezra 800MHz - 2 PC100 sodimm slots - riser board carries an ISA slot and a PCI slot - external 12V power supply.with 4 pins - |- | <!--Name-->Neoware CA5 Capio One | <!--IDE-->44pin Disk On Module DOM | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->SiS550 vga | <!--Audio-->AC97 with SiS7019 codec | <!--USB-->USB1.1 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8139 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2004 32bit - internal power supply with mains lead has a "clover leaf" style - 2 144-pin PC100 or PC133 SODIMM might have 24MB of RAM soldered - |- | <!--Name-->Neoware CA10 *E140 model BL-XX-XX (800MHz CPU) later *E100 model BK-XX-XX (1GHz CPU) | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VIA VT8623 (Apollo CLE266) vga | <!--Audio-->AC97 with | <!--USB-->4 USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->VIA VT6102/VT6103 [Rhine-II] (rev 74) | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2004/5 32bit - 12v 5.5mm/2.1mm - 2 184-pin DDR DIMM - |- | <!--Name-->VXL Itona thin client *TC3200, *TC3x41 (P3VB-VXL) TC3541 TC3641 TC3841, *TC3xx1 (6VLE-VXL0) TC3931, *TC43xx (Gigabyte C7V7VX) TC4321 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VIA vga | <!--Audio-->AC'97 Audio with VIA VT | <!--USB-->VIA USB | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8100B | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2005 2006 32bit VIA Samuel 2, VIA C3 Nehamiah CPU, 1 DIMM slot, internal psu, |- | <!--Name-->Neoware Capio C50, model CA15 Thin Clients] *Login Administrator Password Administrator *Login User Password User | <!--IDE-->1 flash Disk On Module | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VIA VT8623 (Apollo CLE266) vga | <!--Audio-->AC97 with via codec | <!--USB-->USB | <!--Ethernet-->VIA | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2006 32bit VIA Eden (Samuel II core) CPU - 1 ddr sodimm slot max 512mb - slot - internal psu clover leaf - |- | <!--Name-->[http://etoy.spritesmind.net/neowareca21.html Neoware CA21 Thin Clients] Igel 3210 (and maybe the Clientron G270) *Login Administrator Password Administrator *Login User Password User | <!--IDE-->1 flash Disk On Module DOM | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VIA CN700 vga | <!--Audio-->AC97 with via codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->VIA | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 32bit VIA C3 Nehemiah instead of Ezra-T - made 2 version of the CA 21, one with an Award bios and one with a Phoenix bios - 1 ddr2 sodimm slot max 1gb - VT6656 wireless - slot - internal psu iec - |- | <!--Name-->Neoware CA22 (e140), part number DD-L2-GE with BCOM WinNET P680 (V4) as the Igel 4210LX (Igel 5/4) | <!--IDE-->1 VIA VT82C586A/B VT82C686/A/B VT823x/A/C PIPC Bus Master IDE (rev 06) | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VIA CN700 P4M800 Pro CE VN800 Graphics [S3 UniChrome Pro] (rev 01) vga | <!--Audio-->AC97 with codec | <!--USB-->USB2 VIA VT8237R Plus | <!--Ethernet-->VIA VT6102/VT6103 [Rhine-II] (rev 78) | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 32bit - VIA Esther to later C7 1GHz - 1 ddr2 sodimm slots max 512mb - +12V DC/4.16A/50W 5.5mm/2.1mm coaxial - |- | <!--Name-->10Zig RBT402, Clientron U700, | <!--IDE-->{{Yes|44 pin header very little room}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A|}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Partial|VESA dvi}} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|AC97 with codec}} | <!--USB-->{{unk|VIA }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2008 32bit - very small cases with very limited expansion - 1 sodimm 2GB max - 12v 3a psu - Password Fireport |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Dell Optiplex FX170 D05U thin client, 10Zig 56xx range 5602, 5616v, 5617v, 5672v, Clientron U800, Devon IT TC5, | <!--IDE-->{{Yes|44 pin header very little room}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A|}} | <!--Gfx-->{{partial|GMA 950 dvi}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 | <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - very small cases with very limited expansion - 1 ddr2 sodimm 2GB max - 12v 3a psu - Password Fireport - ps2 keyboard socket - |- | <!--Name-->10Zig RBT-616V or Chip PC Technologies EX-PC (model number XPD4741) | <!--IDE-->{{unk|44 pin header very little room}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A|}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 950}} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with codec}} | <!--USB-->{{unk| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|rtl8169}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 32bit N270 on NM10 with ICH7 - very small cases with very limited expansion - 1 sodimm 2GB max - 12v 4a psu - Password Fireport |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte Brix GS-A21S-RH (rev. 1.0) SFF | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|X3100}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio with ALC883-GR codec}} | <!--USB-->Intel USB | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82566DC}} | <!--Test Distro-->ICAROS 2.3 | <!--Comments-->2009 64bit Intel GME965 chipset with Intel ICH8M - 2 DDR2 Dimm slots - GA-6KIEH2-RH Rev.1.x mini ITX Case 213mm(D) x 64mm(W) x 234mm(H) - custom psu - |- | <!--Name-->VXL Itona MD+24 MD27 MD54 MD64 MD76 thin client | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->VIA Chrome 9 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with VIA VT | <!--USB-->VIA | <!--Ethernet-->VIA | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2009 32bit VIA X2 U4200 - 12v-19v barrel psu - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Revo 100 RL100 AMD Athlon II X2 K325 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA® ION™ 9300m || <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC662 codec || <!--USB-->USB2 1 front 2 back || <!--Ethernet-->NVIDIA nForce 10/100/1000 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2010 64bit but no AVX - 4Gb DDR3 sodimm - 500 GB - 19v 3.42a 65W - dvd but later BD drive - |- | <!--Name-->Asrock ION 330 330Pro HT-BD, Foxconn NT-330i, Zotac ION F (IONITX mini itx), | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|ION geforce 9400}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|Nvidia USB}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Nvidia }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 32bit slow atom cpu - 2.5L 8" by 8" plastic case - 2 ddr2 sodimm max 4G - external 19v 65W 3.42A Plug 5.5mm X 2.5mm - little whiny fan - |- | <!--Name-->Zotac ZBOXHD-ND01 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->ION1 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->NVidia | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2009 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Zotac ZBOX HD-ID11 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->ION2 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with ALC888 codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111D | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 |- | <!--Name-->ZOTAC ZBOX Blu-ray 3D ID36 Plus | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->sata | <!--Gfx-->ION2 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->2 USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->GbE | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Shuttle XS35GT || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ION || <!--Audio-->HD audio IDT92HD81 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|JMC261}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - Atom™ D510 NM10 - DDR2 |- | <!--Name-->Shuttle XS35GT V2 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ION2 || <!--Audio-->HD audio IDT92HD81 || <!--USB-->Intel || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|JMC251}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit Atom™ D525 NM10 chipset - DDR3 |- | <!--Name-->Sapphire Edge-HD || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ION2 GT218 with vga and hdmi || <!--Audio-->HDAudio realtek codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Unk|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - Atom™ D510 NM10 - DDR2 65 W AC, DC 19V~3.42A, 19.3L x 14.8w x 2.2H cm (1l), weight 530g, |- | <!--Name-->Sapphire Edge-HD2 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|nouveau ION2 GT218 with vga and hdmi 2d and 3d}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|Intel USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit Atom™ D525 NM10 chipset - DDR3 |- | <!--Name-->AOPEN Digital Engine DE67-HA(I) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe| Vesa 2d for Intel HD}} | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HDAudio for ALC662 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|usb3}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel WG82579LM}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2011 |- | <!--Name-->[https://www.jetwaycomputer.com/JBC600C99352W.html Jetway JBC600C99352W] | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->ION2 | <!--Audio-->{{No|C-Media CM108AH}} | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111DL | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit D525 - DDR3 - 12v psu |- | <!--Name-->Foxconn nT-A3550 A3500 AMD A45 Chipset DDR3 Nettop Barebones - White | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 slot | <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon HD6310 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->4 USB2 back and 2 USB3 front | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 AMD Dual-core E350 1.6GHz CPU - 1 ddr3 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->Asus EeeBox PC EB1021 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD6320M || <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC codec || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE1 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit - AMD® Brazos E-350 SFF or E-450 with A50M - 2 ddr3l so-dimm - 40W ac - |- | <!--Name-->Xi3 Piston PC Athlon64 X2 3400e (X5A), AMD R-464L quad (X7A) Z3RO NUC | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->AMD mobility HD3650 to radeon HD 7660G | <!--Audio--> codec | <!--USB-->4 USB2 3 USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Atheros AR8161}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 - 2 sodimm 8GB max - 19v 3.3a round - Titan105 bios update - |- | <!--Name-->Sapphire Edge-HD3 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD6320M with vga and hdmi || <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC662 codec || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE1 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 AMD® Brazos E-450 with A45M - ddr3l so-dimm - 65W ac - Wireless is Realtek 8191SU WiFi (802.11n) or AzureWave (802.11bgn) - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Samsung Syncmaster Thin Client Display TC-W Series 24" LF24 TOWHBFM/EN TC220W LED LF22TOW HBDN/EN || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->8gb SSD || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe| VESA mode only Radeon HD 6290}} || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB-->2 USB 2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 thin Client C-50 C50 AMD® 1000 MHz and no wireless |- | <!--Name-->Advantech TPC-2140 thin client | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 atom-like G-T56E 1.65Ghz up to SSE3, BGA413 soldered - |- | <!--Name-->CompuLab FIT-PC3 fitPC3 USFF PC AMD G-T56N || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->RADEON HD 6320 || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio ALC888 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 8111}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64 bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 12v 3a - 2x sodimm DDR3 max 4GB - wifi rtl8188ce |- | <!--Name-->10Zig 6872 thin client | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 atom-like G-T56N up to SSE3 BGA413 (FT1) soldered - DDR3l single channel - |- | <!--Name-->10ZiG Technology 9972 1.6 GHz Linux 1.47 kg Black RX-216GD thin client | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon 5E 3840 x 2160 @ 30Hz to 2560 x 1600 @ 60Hz 2 x Display Port | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->6 x USB2.0 2 x USB3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 AMD RX-216TD - 1 ddr3 sodimm - 12V 4A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm |- | <!--Name-->10ZiG 7800q thin client | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon 5E 3840 x 2160 @ 30Hz to 2560 x 1600 @ 60Hz 2 x Display Port | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->6 x USB2.0 2 x USB3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 AMD GX-424CC (Quad Core) 2.4GHz BGA769 (FT3b) - 1 ddr3 sodimm - 12V 4A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm |- | <!--Name--> *Itona VXL MZE12 AMD a4-5000 thin client *VXL Itona LQ27 LQ+27 LQ44 LQ+44 LQ49 LQ+49 LQ50 LQ+50 LQ64 LQ+64 thin client | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Ati 8330 vga hdmi dp | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->4 usb2 2 usb3 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit quad BGA769 (FT3) soldered - 2 stacked sodimm ddr3 middle of mobo - 2 m.2 sata slots - 1 sata short cable half size space - limited 1ltr 8in case no fan - 19v hp style psu connector - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse 5212 21.5" AIO Thin Client W11B | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->Sata | <!--Gfx-->R3 out from DP or vga | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2015 64bit slow atom like dual core AMD G-T48E 1.4 GHz - dell type round ac needed 90W 19.5V 4.62A - 21 inch 1080p screen - |- | <!--Name-->LG 24CK560N-3A 24' All-in-One Thin Client Monitor, 27CN650N-6N 27CN650W-AC 27', 34CN650W-AC 34', | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit AMD Prairie Falcon GX-212JJ |- | <!--Name-->CompuLab fit-PC4 fitPC4 4x 2Ghz AMD || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64 - 2x DDR4 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->IGEL Hedgehog M340C UD3 thin client *2016 V1.0 AMD GX-412HC 1.2GHz-1.6GHz Radeon R3E, normal bios DEL for Bios or F12 boot selector *2018 AMD GX-424CC 2.4GHz, Radeon R5E, UEFI hit DEL and choose boot or SCU icon | <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} | <!--SATA-->SATA half slim version '''limited space''' with msata 8+18pins slot on earlier 2016 models | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Radeon R3E later R5E sea islands vulkan 1.2 with dvi dp output}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with codec ?? (412) and Realtek ALC662-VD0-GR (424), both case speaker}} | <!--USB-->amd usb3 boot usb2 with bios "disable usb" entry | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8169 8111 (412) and (424)}} | <!--Test Distro-->Aros One x86 USB 1.5, 1.8 and 2.2 but ArosOne 64bit 1.2 boot loop in usb2 port | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 20cm/8" high case - 1 DDR3L sodimm slot max 8Gb 1600MHz - external '''12V 3A''' supply with 5.5mm/2.1mm coaxial - IDE like interface under base stand is for legacy addon ports RS232 parallel etc - capacitive touch power on - case opening 3 stages, remove stand and narrow black plastic strip from the back, top cover slides off to the back and lifts off - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->10ZiG 6148v 6048qv (6100 series) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{maybe| }} | <!--USB-->{{No| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit AMD Ryzen V1202B |- | <!--Name-->10ZiG 7111q | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{maybe| }} | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2019 64bit AMD Ryzen R2514 2.1 GHz - |- | <!--Name-->Shuttle DA320 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->R3 R5 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC662 codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->dual realtek 1GbE 8111H | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Opinion-->2017 64bit AMD 2200G 2400G - Robust metal 1.3-liter case - A320 chipset DDR4 - 19V 6.32A DC PSU - |- | <!--Name-->IGEL UD7 H850C around december 2019 '''AMD Secure Processor''' is a built-in dedicated security system that checks if the BIOS has a valid signature and thus secures the next step in the boot process. This ensures that only devices with a signed BIOS will boot | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->None but 8gb emmc | <!--Gfx-->Vega 3 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with Realtek ALC897 or ALC888S codec | <!--USB-->USB 3.2 and 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - AMD Ryzen™ Dual-Core 10W TDP - 2 DDR4 sodimms slots max 16Gb - 12V 4A psu - 2x DisplayPort 1.2 no dvi or hdmi - Intel® 9260 or SparkLAN WNFT-238AX wifi - 1x rear serial Prolific PL2303 chipset - locked down components and very limited expansion options |- | <!--Name-->IGEL UD7 H860C - '''AMD Secure Processor''' is a built-in dedicated security system that checks if the BIOS has a valid signature and thus secures the next step in the boot process. This ensures that only devices with a signed BIOS will boot | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->None but 8gb emmc | <!--Gfx-->Vega 3 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with Realtek ALC897 or ALC888S codec | <!--USB-->USB 3.2 and 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - AMD Ryzen™ Dual-Core 10W TDP - 2 DDR4 sodimms slots max 16Gb - 12V 4A psu - 2x DisplayPort 1.2 no dvi or hdmi - Intel® 9260 or SparkLAN WNFT-238AX wifi - 1x rear serial Prolific PL2303 chipset - locked down components and very limited expansion options |- | <!--Name-->IGEL UD3 M350C (UEFI issues) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->None but 8gb emmc | <!--Gfx-->Vega 3 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with Realtek ALC897 or ALC888S codec | <!--USB-->USB 3.2 and 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - AMD Ryzen™ R R1505G Dual-Core 10W TDP - 2 DDR4 sodimms slots max 16Gb - 12V 4A psu - 2x DisplayPort 1.2 no dvi or hdmi - Intel® 9260 or SparkLAN WNFT-238AX wifi - 1x rear serial Prolific PL2303 chipset - locked down components and very limited expansion options |- | <!--Name-->IGEL UD7 H860C AMD Ryzen V1605B Thin Client - '''AMD Secure Processor''' is a built-in dedicated security system that checks if the BIOS has a valid signature and thus secures the next step in the boot process. This ensures that only devices with a signed BIOS will boot | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2020 AMD Ryzen™ Embedded V1605B 2 – 3.6 GHz (Quad-Core) - 12v 5A psu - up to 16GB RAM DDR4 - locked down components and very limited expansion options |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte Brix Barebone Mini PC BSRE-1605 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 M.2 | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC269 codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->2 GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2020 64bit AMD Ryzen V1605B - 2 DDR4 sodimm slots |- | <!--Name-->MINISFORUM Deskmini UM250 Mini PC | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2020 64bit AMD Ryzen V1605B - |- | <!--Name-->T-Bao MN25 Mini PC 2500U | <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} | <!--SATA-->{{Unk|Intel NVMe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{No|VESA Radeon Vega 8}} | <!--Audio-->{{Unk| }} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek PCIe 1GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Atari VCS || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2D for AMD Vega 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with ALC codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 USB 3.2 Gen 2 front and 3 usb2 rear }} || <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit Ryzen Embedded R1606G - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - TPM 2.0 - |- | <!--Name-->Minis Forum M200 Silver Athlon M300 3300U | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.1 gen 1 and 2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek PCIe 2.5G}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Minis Forum DeskMini UM300 3300U, UM350 DMAF5 3550H, UM370 and UM700 with 3750H | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.1 gen 1 and 2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek PCIe 2.5G}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit |- | <!--Name-->MinisForum X300 with AMD 3400G | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.1 gen 1 and 2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek PCIe 2.5G}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Beelink SER3 GTR4 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->AMD Vega 3 or 10 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RJ45 1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2020 64bit 3200u or 3750h |- | <!--Name-->AsRock DeskMini X300 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2020 Ryzen 7 Pro 4750G 5600G |- | <!--Name-->MinisForum Besstar Tech X400 with AMD 4650G | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->AMD | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.1 gen 1 and 2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek PCIe 2.5G}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - MP1584 - kill NB679 NB679GD-Z=ALTM=AL** QFN-12 IC-REG-DL buck/linear synchronous chip IC with bad usb cables - |- | <!--Name-->Beelink SER4 GTR5 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->cant boot from installed SSDs unless its an M.2 | <!--Gfx-->AMD Vega | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->1 or 2 Realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit 4700U or 5900HX |- | <!--Name-->MSI PRO DP20Z 5M Mini PC - AMD Ryzen 5 5300G | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek 2.5G LAN RTL8125}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018-2021 R3 3200G Vega 8 - R5 3400G Vega 11 - Ryzen 5 5600G Vega 7 - Athlon 3000G |- | <!--Name-->Minisforum UM450 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->Vega | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek 2.5G LAN RTL8125}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - Ryzen 4500U - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte Brix GB-BRR7-4800 (rev. 1.0) GB-BRR7-4700 (rev. 1.0) GB-BRR5-4500 (rev. 1.0) GB-BRR3-4300 (rev. 1.0) | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 2.5G LAN RTL8125 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->ASUS PN50 mini PC AMD Ryzen 7 4700U | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vega | <!--Audio-->HD audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|3.1 gen1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|realtek 2.5GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS PN51-S1 mini PC AMD Ryzen 7 5700U | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->Vega thru dp or hdmi | <!--Audio-->HD audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|3.1 gen1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|realtek 2.5GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 19v or 19.5v 90w psu round barrel - 32gb ddr4 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->Minis Forum Bessstar Tech EliteMini B550 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 x 2.5in and 2 nvme | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|4 usb3.1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|realtek 8125 2.5GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit AMD 4700G 5700G desktop cpu - 19v 120w round barrel - |- | <!--Name-->ASRock A300 and later X300 Mini itx with Desktop AM4 socket | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->Vega | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - choose your own AMD APU GE 35w based - DDR4 - |- | <!--Name-->ASRock 4x4 BOX-5800U Zen 3-based AMD Ryzen 7 5800U 15W - | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->m.2 slot gen 3 and sata | <!--Gfx-->vega | <!--Audio-->HD audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|1 GbE and 1 2.5GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - WiFi 6E - |- | <!--Name-->Topton S500+ Gaming Mini PC - Morefine S500+ 5900HX Mini PC - Minisforum UM590 Ryzen AMD Zen3 Ryzen 9 5900HX 7 5800H 45W - | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 nvme 1 sata | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 thru HDMI 2.0, DP 1.4, and USB type-C | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|usb3.1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|1 realtek rtl 8111h and 1 8125 2.5GbE bg-cg}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 2 sodimm ddr4 3200MHz - |- | <!--Name-->Chuwi RzBox later Ubox | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 nvme | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 later to 660m vga, dp, hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->{{maybe|usb-c usb2}} | <!--Ethernet-->dual gigabit | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 2025 64bit amd 5800h 4800h 6600H - 90w psu - |- | <!--Name-->Beelink Mini PC SER5, Trigkey AZW S5, Asus PN52, ZHI BEN MX-JB560, | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->PCIe3 M.2 2280 nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD Vega 6 with 1 or 2 hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek 1GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit 5500U 5560u 5600U to PRO 5600H 5800H - 19v 3.42W 65W psu - |- | <!--Name-->NIPOGI Kamrui ACEMAGICIAN AM06PRO Dual LAN Mini PC AMD Ryzen 7 5800U, 5 5500U or 5600U/5625U | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->M.2 and 2.5in sata | <!--Gfx-->Vega 7 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->2 GbE ports | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - plastic build - 90w usb-c power - loud at 25W setting - |- | <!--Name-->Topton FU02 Fanless Mini PC AMD Ryzen 7 4700U 5600U 5800U 8 Core 16 Threads | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe and 2.5in sata | <!--Gfx-->Vega | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->4 3.0 with 2 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->2 x 1G | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64 - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - fanless with copper cube from cpu to metal sheet which gets warm |- | <!--Name-->Xuu XR1 Lite (5300u 4c 8t) PRO 5400U MAX 5600U | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 NVMe 2242 slot | <!--Gfx-->Vega 6 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->2 3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->1G | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64 quiet fan - very small case no expansions - |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->MINISFORUM UM690 Venus Series | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->pcie4 nvme 2280 and 1 sata3 2.5in | <!--Gfx-->680m RNDA2 12CU with 2 hdmi | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|1 USB4 and 2 USB3.2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|2.5G LAN}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit 6900hx 8C16T - 2 ddr5 sodimmm - 19v ???W - |- | <!--Name-->Beelink Mini PC GTR6 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->PCIe4 | <!--Gfx-->AMD 680M RDNA2 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->USB3.2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek 2.5GbE or intel i225}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit Ryzen 9 6900HX Zen3+ and a 2gb Radeon 680m 12CU ddr5 sodimm - 19v 120w psu - |- | <!--Name-->Asus PN53, Geekom AS 6, | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->pcie gen4 nvme and ata 2.5in | <!--Gfx-->680m RNDA2 12CU with 2 hdmi and 1 dp | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|2 usb-c, 2 USB2.1 and 3 USB3.2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|1G LAN}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit 6900hx 8C 16T - 2 slots ddr5 sodimmm (64Gb max) - 19v 120W - 4 retained base screws beware ribbon cable - |- | <!--Name-->Micro Computer (HK) Tech Ltd MinisForum UM773 Lite later UM750L slim, GMKtec K2 Mini PC | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe PCIe4.0 | <!--Gfx-->RDNA | <!--Audio-->HD Audio | <!--USB-->USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->2.5GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2023 2025 64bit - AMD Zen 3+ (8c 16t) Ryzen 7 7735HS, 7840HS and AMD Ryzen 9 7845HX AMD Ryzen™5 7545U (6c12t) - 19v up to 120w ac adapter - ddr5 sodimm 4800Mhz - |- | <!--Name-->[https://www.asrockind.com/en-gb/4x4 ASrock 4x4 SBC] | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->sata or nvme | <!--Gfx-->Vega or 680M | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 or USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 1GbE or intel 2.5GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Beelink Mini PC GTR7 SER7 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->PCIe4 nvme 2280 up to 2Tb | <!--Gfx-->AMD 780M RDNA3 GPU output on hdmi and dp | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3.2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|1 or 2 2.5GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2023 64bit AMD Phoenix APUs Zen 4 CPU Ryzen 7 7840HS or 9 7940HS (8c 16t) - 19v 5.26A 120w psu - del dios setup f7 choose boot - 2 usb-c on back - up to 64gb via 2 ddr5 sodimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->MINISFORUM BD770i Ryzen 7 7745HX (8c16t) or BD795i SE 790i 9 7945HX (16c32t) or F1FXM_MB_V1.1 795M LGA1700 mATX | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 NVMe | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 610m over usb-c, dp or hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with codec | <!--USB-->USB3 with 2 rear USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 2.5G | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Opinion-->2024 mini-ITX M/B is the first MoDT (Mobile on Desktop) with soldered AMD CPU - 2 dual PCIe4.0 M.2 slots - 2 ddr5 sodimm slots max 5200Mhz - 8pin cpu power - battery not easily replaceable underneath - |- | <!--Name-->Minisforum ms-a1 MS-a2 * 5700G to 8700G apu * 9955HX | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 610M | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->dual 2.5GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2024 64bit - 19v ?A round barrel jack - 2 ddr5 so-dimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->AOOSTAR GT68 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->Nvme | <!--Gfx-->680m | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->2 2.5Gb | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 Ryzen7 Pro 6850H, |- | <!--Name-->NextSBC 7840HS | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->Nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 780M 12CU | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with codec | <!--USB-->USB4 and USB 3.2 | <!--Ethernet-->2 GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - 32Gb soldered - |- | <!--Name-->Firebat A6 R7 6800H | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 680M | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Minisforum UM760 7640HS | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 760 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 and 2.5Gb | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Peladn WO4 Mini PC | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 760 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit 7640HS - 19v 5.26A 120W - |- | <!--Name-->BossGame M4 Neo 7840HS | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 780 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Minisforum UM870 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVme || <!--Gfx-->AMD 780M || <!--Audio-->HDaudio || <!--USB-->USB3 || <!--Ethernet-->2.5GbE || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->GEEKOM A8 Max AI Mini PC AMD Ryzen™ 9 8945HS, Ryzen™ 7 8845HS or 8745HS | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 780M | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe| USB4}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Dual 2.5 G Ethernet ports}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Beelink SER 9 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVme | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 890M | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - Ryzen AI HX 370 strix point - |- | <!--Name-->GMKtec EVO-X2 mini pc | <!--IDE-->{{n/a}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 8060S iGPU RDNA3.5 RADV GFX1151 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - amd ryzen AI Max+ 395 (16c32t) strix halo - |- | <!--Name-->BosGame M5 | <!--IDE-->{{n/a}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 8060S iGPU RDNA3.5 RADV GFX1151 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - amd ryzen AI Max+ 395 (16c32t) - |- | <!--Name-->Steam Machine GabeCube | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->semi-custom 1080p amd 7600m like with 28cu 8gb ddr6 gddr 10GFlops | <!--Audio-->hdaudio with codec | <!--USB-->usb3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2026 64bit amd 1772 hawk point2 6c12t zen4 avx512 FP7 socket with FCH51 - 16gb ddr5 - |- | <!--Name-->AMD Ryzen AI Halo Developer Platform Workstation | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2026 64bit - amd ryzen AI Max+ 395 (16c32t) - |- | <!--Name-->GMKtec EVO-X1 PRO | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 890M with HDMI 2.1 and DP 2.1 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB4 40G and USB3 10G | <!--Ethernet-->2xIntel | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2026 64bit - AMD Ai 9 HX 470 Gorgon Point 12c 24t - 19v 120w - DDR5 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->AMD 8065S | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2026 64bit - AMD Ai MAX+ 495 Gorgon Halo - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |} ===Server Systems=== [[#top|...to the top]] ====IBM==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="15%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->xSeries 206m | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|ATI RN50b (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio-->{{n/a}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0 (UHCI/EHCI)}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro-->Nightly Build 2014-09-27 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} ===Motherboard=== [[#top|...to the top]] * Late 2002, USB2.0 added and slightly better AROS sound support (AC97) appeared * 2002-2005 and still, to a limited extent, ongoing [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague bad capacitors] * Late 2003, ATX PSUs moved from 5V to 12v rails (extra 4pin on motherboard for CPU) * Late 2005, PCI Express replaced AGP and HDAudio replaced AC97 * Late 2007, ATX PSUs added extra 12V PCI-E connectors and 4+4pin for CPUs * Late 2010, USB3.0 appears on motherboards or needing a PCI-E motherboard slot * Late 2014 Hardware USB2 removed from USB3 chipsets ====AMD Sockets==== [[#top|...to the top]] =====Socket 7 (1997/1999)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->1997 VT82C586B (QFP-208) is the first from VIA with DDMA |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2000 VT82C686 has close to excellent DDMA support |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->SiS 5581/5582 SiS 5591/5595 SiS 530 /5595 SiS 600/5595 SiS 620/5595 |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} =====Socket A 462 (2001/4)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.sharkyextreme.com/hardware/motherboards/article.php/2217921/ABIT-NF7-S-nForce2-Motherboard-Review.htm Abit NF7-S] | <!--Chipset-->nForce 2 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->2 ports | <!--SATA-->SIL 3112A | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC650 AC97 (Nvidia APU)}} | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL 8201LB | <!--Opinion-->Firewire Realtek RTL8801B |- | <!--Name-->ASRock K7NF2 | <!--Chipset-->nforce2 ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|AGP 8x}} | <!--Audio-->CMedia CMI 9761A AC'97 | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8201 | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASRock K7S8X | <!--Chipset-->SIS 746FX | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|AGP 8x}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC'97 cmedia}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB2.0 works but does not boot}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|SiS900}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASRock K7S41GX | <!--Chipset-->SIS 741GX + DDR 333 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|onboard sis does not work with vga or vesa but AGP 8x works}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 SIS 7012}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB2.0 works but does not boot}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|SiS 900}} | <!--Opinion-->works ok |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.asus.com ASUS A7N8X] | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->Silicon Image Sil 3112A | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ac97 ALC650}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|ehci USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8201BL - nforce}} | <!--Opinion-->first total support for AROS in 2004/5 - damocles and M Schulz |- | <!--Name-->Biostar M7NCD | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 Ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC650 AC97}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8201BL}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Chaintech 7NJS Ultra Zenith | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 Ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->Promise PDC 20376 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|CMI8738}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->DFI Lanparty NF2 Ultra | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 Ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{no|via ac97 VT1616}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8139C | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ECS N2U400-A | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 Ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{no|Cmedia 9379A AC97}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|usb2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|VIA VT6103L}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA7N400L | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 Ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP 8x slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 ALC650}} | <!--USB-->2 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8100C | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.gigabyte.lv/products/page/mb/ga-8siml Gigabyte 8SIML] | <!--Chipset-->SIS 650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC'97}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|working}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Realtek RTL8100L LAN}} | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Matsonic [http://www.elhvb.com/mobokive/archive/matsonic/manual/index.html Manuals] MS83708E | <!--Chipset-->SIS730 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|SiS 5513}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|sis 305 no support use VESA}} | <!--Audio-->{{no|sis7018}} | <!--USB-->{{no|SiS 7001 USB 1.1 only}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|SIS900}} | <!--Opinion-->little support |- | <!--Name-->[http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=bph07585&lc=en&dlc=en&cc=us&dest_page=softwareCategory&os=228&tool=softwareCategory&query=Pavilion%20742n&product=89232 MSI MS-6367 HP 722n 742n (Mambo) (2001/2)] | <!--Chipset-->Nvidia nforce 220D (2001/2) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->GeForce2 AGP works 2D nouveau only | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|AC97 ADI 1885 no volume control on Units 0-3}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|4 USB1.1 ports AMD based - front 2 ports iffy}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|nForce}} | <!--Opinion-->Tested 20th Aug 2012 NB |- | <!--Name-->MSI K7N2 [http://us.msi.com/index.php?func=proddesc&maincat_no=1&prod_no=546/ Delta ILSR] Delta-L | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 (2002/3) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|Primary & Secondary ports}} IDE Tertiary port (RAID) | <!--SATA-->2 ports (RAID) | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|when fitted with an agp video card}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ac97 ALC650}} | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8201BL - nforce}} | <!--Opinion-->runs AROS well. Tested with Icaros 1.2.3 |- | <!--Name-->MSI K7N2 Delta2-LSR Platinum | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 (2002/3) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|Primary & Secondary ports}} IDE Tertiary port (RAID) | <!--SATA-->2 ports (RAID) | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|when fitted with an agp video card}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|ac97 ALC655}} | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8201BL - nforce}} | <!--Opinion-->runs AROS well. Tested with Icaros 1.2.3 |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.sharkyextreme.com/hardware/motherboards/article.php/2204281/Soltek-SL-75MRN-L-nForce2-Motherboard-Review.htm Soltek 75FRN-L] | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|2 ports}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->AGP slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC650}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 usb2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek RTL8201BL}} | <!--Opinion-->good support |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.3dvelocity.com/reviews/mach4nf2ultra/mach4.htm XFX Pine Mach4 nForce2 Ultra 400] | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|3 ports}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2 ports VIA VT6240}} | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP 8x slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC650}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8201BL}} | <!--Opinion-->some support |- | <!--Name-->ASUS A7V266 | <!--Chipset-->via KT266A + 8233 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{no|issues}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP slot | <!--Audio-->AC97 with AD1980 codec | <!--USB-->via 8233 | <!--Ethernet-->VIA VT6103 | <!--Opinion-->2002 issues with booting |- | <!--Name-->Asus A7V8X-X | <!--Chipset-->VIA KT400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{unk| }} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|agp}} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|AC97 with ADI AD1980 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{unk|VIA 8235}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|Realtek 10/100}} | <!--Opinion-->2003 not booting for Socket A for AMD Barton/Thoroughbred/Athlon XP/Athlon/Duron 2.25+ GHz CPU - 3 x DDR DIMM Sockets Max. 3 GB - |- |} =====Socket 754 (2004/5)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Abit NF8-V2 | <!--Chipset-->nForce3 250GB (2004/5) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|2 ports}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2 ports}} | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP slot x8 | <!--Audio-->ALC658 ac97 | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|RTL8201C}} | <!--Opinion-->a little support but no Firewire VIA VT6306 |- | <!--Name-->Biostar CK8 K8HNA Pro | <!--Chipset-->nforce3 150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->VT6420 thru ide legacy only | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{no|AC97 ALC655}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8110S | <!--Opinion-->Firewire VT6307 no |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.extremeoverclocking.com/reviews/motherboards/Chaintech_ZNF3-150_3.html Chaintech ZNF3-150 Zenith] | <!--Chipset-->nforce3 150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->2 ports | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|Sli3114 SATA via IDE emul}} | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP slot | <!--Audio-->{{no|VIA Envy24PT (VT1720) + VT1616}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|2 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom GbE 5788}} | <!--Opinion-->very little support needs PCI cards but no Firewire VIA VT6306 |- | <!--Name-->DFI Lanparty UT nF3 250GB | <!--Chipset-->nForce3 250gb | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->2 ports | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2 ports nForce3 and 2 Marvell SATA PHY}} | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 ALC850}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|2 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->CK8S - Winfast NF3 250K8AA works and Marvell 88E1111 does not work | <!--Opinion-->2005 some support but no Firewire VIA VT6307 |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-K8N | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA nForce3 150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC658 AC97 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8100C | <!--Opinion-->Firewire TI43AB23 no |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte K8NNXP | <!--Chipset-->nForce3 150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->Sata sil3512 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC658 AC97 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTl8110S | <!--Opinion-->Firewire TI STB82AA2 no |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-K8NSNXP | <!--Chipset-->nForce3 250GB | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->SiI 3512 CT128 Sata Sil3515 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC850 AC97 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvel 88E8001}} | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->MSI K8N Neo-FIS2R | <!--Chipset-->nVIDIA NF3-250Gb | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Realtek 7.1 AC'97 ALC850 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E1111}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->[http://techreport.com/articles.x/5748/1 Shuttle AN50R] | <!--Chipset-->nF3-150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->Sil 3112 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC650 AC97 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Nvidia nF3 (10/100) Intel 82540EM Gigabit | <!--Opinion-->Firewire VT6307 no |- | <!--Name--> Foxconn WinFast K8S755A | <!--Chipset-->SiS755 + SiS964 (DDR333) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> {{yes|AC97}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> {{yes|RTL8169}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket 939 (2005)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus A8N-LA GeForce 6150 LE | <!--Chipset-->Geforce 6150 (MCP51) + nForce 430 (PC-3200) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|two ATA 133}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|four 3.0GB/s SATAII ports}} | <!--Gfx-->built in or PCI-E x16 | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC883 HD Audio | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL 8201CL | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus A8N-SLI Premium | <!--Chipset-->NVidia | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|PCIe slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|nForce LAN but not Marvell}} | <!--Opinion-->Works well |- | <!--Name-->DFI nF4 Ultra-D LanParty - Diamond Flower International sold to BenQ group 2010 | <!--Chipset-->nF4 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->2 ports | <!--SATA-->4 ports SATA 2 | <!--Gfx-->2 PCIe x16 slots | <!--Audio-->AC97 with ALC850 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Dual Gigabit Ethernet, PCIe by Vitesse VSC8201 PHY nee Cicada 8201, PCI by Marvel 88E8001 | <!--Opinion-->2006 64bit - Four 184-pin DDR Dual-Channel Slots - 1 pci on Ultra, 2 pci on sli, |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus A8V E SE | <!--Chipset-->VIA K8T890 +VT8237R CHIPSET ATX AMD Motherboard with Athlon 64 X2 / Athlon 64 FX / Athlon 64 | <!--ACPI-->{{N/A}} | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{N/A}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe}} AC97 driver using Realtek ALC850 codec | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} USB 2.0 only | <!--Ethernet-->{{No}} Marvell 88E8053 | <!--Opinion-->Good base but needs additional PCI cards added for better support |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASUS A8V Deluxe (2004) | <!--Chipset-->VIA K8T800 Pro (DDR400) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->Promise 20378 2 ports | <!--SATA-->2 SATA2 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{no|VIA VT8233A 8235 8237 AC97}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Marvell 88E8001 Gigabit}} | <!--Opinion-->needs extra PCI cards |- |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->AsRock 939Dual-SATA2 | <!--Chipset-->Ali Uli M1695 PCIe with M1567 AGP | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->2 ports | <!--SATA-->1 Sata with JMicron JMB360 chip | <!--Gfx-->1 pci-e and 1 agp | <!--Audio-->AC97 with ALC850 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8201CL PHY ULi 10/100 | <!--Opinion-->64bit pci-e and agp combo on board - 4 ddr slots - |} =====Socket AM2 (2006/8) and AM2+ (2007-2010) ===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-M61PME-S2 (rev. 2.x) | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA® GeForce 6100 / nForce 430 chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2d for vga}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio Realtek ALC662 Audio Codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus M2N61-AR mini itx | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA nForce 430 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 | <!--SATA-->2 | <!--Gfx-->GeForce 6150SE via vga or 1 pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->Nvidia | <!--Ethernet-->Nvidia | <!--Opinion-->2006 32bit - 1 pci - 2 ddr2 dimm slots non-eec - |- | <!--Name-->asus m2n68-am se2 | <!--Chipset-->nvidia 630a 630/a MCP68SE | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 ports | <!--SATA-->2 ports MCP61 chipset is SATA over IDE, not SATA over AHCI and reports subsystem as 0x1 IDE, not 0x6 SATA | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|nvidia 7025 2d and 3d thru vga}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|hd audio with realtek alc662 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|nForce chipset RTL 8201CP}} | <!--Opinion-->2007 64bit Phenom IIX2, Athlon 64 LE X2, Sempron, and Phenom FX processors - ddr2 667Mhz ram max 4Gb - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-MA770-UD3 (rev. 1.0) | <!--Chipset-->AMD 770 with SB700 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC888 codec }} | <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 8111C later 8111D}} | <!--Opinion-->Good support for AM2+ / AM2 with 4 ddr2 ram - 4 x PCI Express x1, 2 x PCI slots - firewire T.I. TSB43AB23 chip no support - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus M3A32-MVP Deluxe | <!--Chipset-->AMD 790FX RD790 + SB600 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{No|Marvell 88SE6121 SATA II}} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 1.1 support | <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio ADI® AD1988}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8056}} | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASROCK N68-S N68C-S | <!--Chipset-->AMD based nForce 630a | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|slimline DVD drive works}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|GF 7025 use vesa}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio for VIA 1708S VT1705}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|echi usb 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|RTL8201EL / 8201CL - nforce}} | <!--Opinion-->2008 unbuffered 1066Mhz ddr2 ram - N68C-S may need noacpi added to grub boot line to disable pci temporarily to run as it cannot get to [PCI] Everything OK - |- | <!--Name-->Asus M2N68-AM Plus | <!--Chipset-->Athlon 64, Sempron, Athlon 64 X2, Athlon 64 FX with nvidia 630a | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->no vga, pci-e slot only | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio with ALC662 codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|RTL8211CL Gigabit LAN}} | <!--Opinion-->adding "noacpi noapic noioapic" to the GRUB options - Dual channel DDR2 1066, 800, 667 MHz - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-M68M-S2 (1.0) S2P (2.3) S2L GA-M68SM-S2 (1.x) | <!--Chipset-->nForce 630a chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA® GeForce 7025, vga (s2 and s2p), dvi (s2l) | <!--Audio-->ALC883 (S2), ALC888B (S2P), ALC662 (S2L), | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8201CL (S2), 8211CL (S2P), 8211BL (S2L), | <!--Opinion-->2008 64bit possible with AMD AM2+ CPU on AM2 motherboard, the system bus speed will downgrade from HT3.0(5200MHz) to HT1.0(2000 MT/s) spec |- | <!--Name-->ASUS M2N68-VM | <!--Chipset-->nForce 630a (MCP68PVNT) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Nvidia GeForce ® 7050PV hdmi, dvi and vga | <!--Audio-->HD audio VIA 1708B codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8211C | <!--Opinion-->2008 64bit - ddr2 800Mhz |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket AM3 White socket (2010/11)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-MA74GM-S2 GA-MA74GM-S2H | <!--Chipset-->740g with sb710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|bios IDE}} | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 2100 and pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->ALC888 (r1.x),ALC888b (r2.0), ALC888B (rev4.x) | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8111C later 8111D | <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit - 2 x 1.8V DDR2 DIMM sockets max 8 GB - Micro ATX Form Factor 24.4cm x 23.4cm - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.vesalia.de/e_aresone2011.htm Aresone 2011] | <!--Chipset-->760g | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|no Radeon HD3000 driver yet<br>vesa driver works<br>and add PCIe card}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes}} | <!--Opinion-->Good support - 4 DDR3 memory sockets - |- | <!--Name-->Foxconn A76ML-K 3.0 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 760g rev3.0 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes|1 }} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|4 in IDE mode }} | <!--Gfx-->HD3000 with pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC662-GR codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111E | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit - 2 ddr3 slots - 2 pci slots - |- | <!--Name-->GA-MA770T-UD3P (rev. 1.0 to 1.4) | <!--Chipset-->amd 770 with sb710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|4 sata}} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio with Realtek ALC888 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8168 rtl8111c/d}} | <!--Opinion-->2011 64 - 4 ddr3 dimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-MA770-UD3 (rev. 2.0 2.1) | <!--Chipset-->AMD 770 with SB700 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC888 codec }} | <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 8111C later 8111D}} | <!--Opinion-->Good support for AM3 with 4 ddr2 ram - 4 x PCI Express x1, 2 x PCI slots - firewire T.I. TSB43AB23 chip no support - |- | <!--Name-->Asus M4A785TD-M PRO | <!--Chipset-->785G and SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|ide legacy}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|ATI Radeon HD 4200 - use vesa}} or pci-e 2.0 slot | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Opinion-->Good support with 1366 ddr3 ram - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASUS M4A88T-I Deluxe ITX | <!--Chipset-->AMD 880G with AMD SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->Three SATA 3Gbps | <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 4350 GPU with HDMI and DVI or One 16x PCI-Express 2.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC889 | <!--USB-->6 x USB 2, 2 x USB 3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek RTL8112L}} | <!--Opinion-->2014 64bit - 2 SODIMM DDR3 slots max 8GB |- | <!--Name-->Asus M4A88T-M Version E5907 E5826 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 880G SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 4250 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with VIA VT 1708S codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek rtl8169 8111E | <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->GigaByte 890GPA-UD3H | <!--Chipset-->AMD 890GX together with SB850 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->Yes | <!--Gfx-->use pci-e nvidia | <!--Audio-->Maybe - ALC892 rev. 1.0, ALC892 rev 2.1, ALC889 rev. 3.1 | <!--USB-->Yes | <!--Ethernet-->Yes | <!--Opinion-->works well overall |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-890FXA-UD7 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 890FX with SB850 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|IDE }} | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC889 (rev 2.x) | <!--USB-->{{Yes|AMD USB2 but limited with NEC D720200F1 USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->2 x Realtek 8111D | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit - XL-ATX Form Factor 32.5cm x 24.4cm - 4 ddr3 slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI 890GXM-G65 | <!--Chipset-->890GX + SB750 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|legacy}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|ATI 4290 built-in (vesa)}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ALC889 DD GR}} HD Audio crackles | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8169}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASRock N68-VS3 FX | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA® GeForce 7025 / nForce 630a | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 Sata2 | <!--Gfx-->Integrated NVIDIA® GeForce 7025 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with VIA® VT1705 Codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek PHY RTL8201EL | <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit - 2 x DDR3 DIMM slots - |- | <!--Name-->MSI GF615M-P35 MS-7597 | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA® nForce 430 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->GeForce 6150SE | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with Realtek® ALC888S}} | <!--USB-->{{No|freezes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek 8211CL}} | <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-M68MT-S2 | <!--Chipset--> nForce 630a | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA® GeForce 7025 vga | <!--Audio-->ALC888B (1.3), ACL887 (3.1), | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8211CL (all) | <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit possible, AMD AM3 CPU on this motherboard, the system bus speed will downgrade from HT3.0 (5200MT/s) to HT1.0 (2000 MT/s) spec |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-M68MT-S2P | <!--Chipset--> nForce 630a | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA® GeForce 7025 vga | <!--Audio-->ALC888B (1.x 2.x), ALC889 (3.0), ALC888B/889 (3.1), | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8211CL (all) | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus M4N78 PRO | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA GeForce 8300 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 xUltraDMA 133/100 | <!--SATA-->6 xSATA 3 Gbit/s ports | <!--Gfx-->Integrated NVIDIA® GeForce® 8 series GPU with 1 PCIe 2.0 slot | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with VIA1708S 8 -Channel codec | <!--USB-->12 USB 2.0 ports (8 ports at mid-board, 4 ports at back panel) | <!--Ethernet-->NVIDIA Gigabit | <!--Opinion-->4 x DIMM, Max. 16 GB, DDR2 1200(O.C.)/1066*/800/667 ECC,Non-ECC,Un-buffered Memory - ATX Form Factor 12 inch x 9.6 inch ( 30.5 cm x 24.4 cm ) - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} =====Socket AM3+ Black socket (2012/15)===== *095W FX-6300 FD6300WMHKBOX (bulldozer SSE4.1 AVX) 970 mobos with FX-8320E 8core Black Editions FD832EWMHKBOX FX-8370E (Vishera/Piledriver) *125W FX-6310 (bulldozer) 970 mobos with FX-8320 FX-8350 FX-8370 (Vishera/Piledriver) *220W 990FX mobos with FX-9000 FX-9370 FX-9590 {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS M5A78L-M LX3 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 760G with SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|bios IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx-->HD3000 with pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC887, V? ALC892 codecs | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Qualcomm Atheros 8161/8171 add realtek 8111? pci-e card}} | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit - uATX Form Factor 9.6 inch x 7.4 inch ( 24.4 cm x 18.8 cm ) - 2 x DIMM, Max. 16GB, DDR3 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-78LMT-S2P | <!--Chipset-->AMD 760G and SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|6 SATA2 ports}} | <!--Gfx-->GT240 and a nv7900gs, both pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ALC889 (r3.1), ALC??? (rev. 4.0), ALC887 (r5.x)}} | <!--USB-->4 USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek 8111E (r3.1), Atheros (rev4.0), Atheros (r5.x) }} | <!--Opinion-->2012 offers very poor control over its EFI vs. BIOS booting partition features |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-78LMT-USB3 (r3.0), (r4.1 Blue board), (r5.0 dark board), (rev6 dark mobo) | <!--Chipset-->AMD 760G and SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|Bios IDE mode for SATA2 on early ones}} | <!--Gfx-->AMD HD3000, pci-e GT240 and a nv7900gs | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ALC??? (r3.0), ALC887 (r4.1), VIA VT2021 (r5.0), Realtek® ALC892 codec (rev6) }} | <!--USB-->{{yes|AMD USB2 but not VIA® VL805 USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit - Micro ATX Form Factor 24.4cm x 24.4cm - 4 x DDR3 DIMM sockets - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI 760GM | <!--Chipset-->ATI 760G plus SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->HD3000 Use Vesa | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|P33 VT1705; P34, P21 and P23 (FX) MS7641 v3.0 ALC887, E51 ALC892}} | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Opinion-->P23 issues with audio ALC887 crackles thru earphones - |- | <!--Name-->Gigayte GA-MA770T-UD3P (rev. 3.1) | <!--Chipset-->amd 770 with sb710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata | <!--Gfx-->pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with Realtek ALC888/892 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111d/e | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASRock 890FX Deluxe5 Extreme3 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 890FX + AMD SB850 or SB950 (Extreme3) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes}} | <!--Gfx-->{{N/A}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ALC892}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL8111E rtl8169}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus M5A97 R2.0 EVO | <!--Chipset-->AMD 970 and SB950 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->Asmedia SATA Controller | <!--Gfx-->n/a | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC887 (LE), ALC887 (Regular), ALC892 (EVO) codec | <!--USB-->4 USB 2.0 and 2 Asmedia USB3.0 Controller | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111F | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-970A-D3 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 970 with SB950 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio--> ALC??? (rev. 1.0/1.1), ALC887 (rev1.2), VIA VT2021 codec (rev 1.3 1.4 and rev3.0) | <!--USB-->{{yes|AMD USB2 but not Etron EJ168 chip (USB3)}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE 8111E (all revisions), | <!--Opinion-->2015 64bit - ATX Form Factor 30.5cm x 22.4cm - 4 x 1.5V DDR3 DIMM sockets - |- | <!--Name-->MSI 970 Gaming | <!--Chipset-->970FX SB950 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Realtek® ALC1150 Codec | <!--USB-->6 usb2 with 2 USB3 VIA VL806 Chipset | <!--Ethernet-->Killer E2205 Gigabit LAN | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus M5A99X EVO | <!--Chipset-->990X - RD980 with SB920 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->2 pci-e gen ? | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC892 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 realtek 8111e | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-990XA-UD3 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 990 with SB950 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC889 (rev 1.x, 3.0, 3.1), | <!--USB-->{{yes|AMD USB2 not 2 x Etron EJ168 chips for USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->realtek rtl8169 8111e | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit - ATX Form Factor; 30.5cm x 24.4cm - 4 ddr3 slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====AMD Fusion (2011/14)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | 1.2GHz single Bobcat Fusion C30 + Hudson M1 | ACPI | IDE | SATA | AMD 6250 | Audio | USB | Ethernet | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | Asus E35M1-M PRO uATX | 1.6GHz 18W AMD Fusion E-350 dual core + Hudson M1 | ACPI | {{N/A}} | SATA | AMD 6310 - no HD driver yet | ALC887 VD2 | USB | RTL8111E | 2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - EFI bios - pci slot - |- | Asus E35M1-I Deluxe miniITX | 1.6GHz dual AMD Fusion E350 + Hudson M1 + DDR3 | ACPI | {{N/A}} | SATA | AMD 6310 - no HD driver yet | ALC892 | USB | Realtek 8111E | 2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - no support for Atheros AR5008 on a Mini PCI-E - 1 pci slot - |- | ASRock E350M1 / USB3 (also version with USB3.0 added) | 1.6GHz dual AMD Fusion E350 + Hudson M1 | ACPI | {{N/A}} | SATA - 4 SATA3 | {{Maybe|AMD 6310 - use vesa with hdmi and dvi}} | {{Yes|Audio ALC892 playback but no HDMI output}} | USB - 4 USB2.0 and 2 USB3.0 | {{Yes|rtl8169 for Realtek rtl8111E}} | 2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 1 pci-e 2.0 x4 slot - f2 or del bios, f11 boot select - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-E350N-USB3 mini-ITX | <!--Chipset--> Hudson M1 FCH | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 SATA3 | <!--Gfx--> plus HDMI, DVI | <!--Audio-->ALC892 | <!--USB-->2 NEC USB3.0 with 4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 for Realtek rtl8111E | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 1 pci slot - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-E350N Win8 V1.0 | <!--Chipset-->Hudson M1 FCH A45 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 SATA3 | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Use VESA - AMD 6310 plus HDMI, DVI}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC887 playback through headphones but not thru hdmi}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|4 USB2.0 needs more testing}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 for Realtek 8111e}} | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - works well but need to test with sata hard disk |- | <!--Name-->MSI E350IA-E45 | <!--Chipset-->e-350 + Hudson M1 + DDR3 | <!--ACPI-->no support | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 Sata3 ports | <!--Gfx-->AMD 6310 gpu | <!--Audio-->ALC HDA | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 and 2 USB3.0 through NEC 720200 chipset | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8111E | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS E45M1-M PRO | <!--Chipset-->E450 APU with Hudson M1 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC887 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS E45M1-I Deluxe | <!--Chipset-->E-450 together | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111E | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket FM1 (2011/13)===== On board Graphic on CPU - HD6410D, HD6530D, HD6550D, {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS F1A55-M LE | <!--Chipset--> with AMD A55 FCH (Hudson D2) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->6 x SATA 3Gbit/s port(s), blue Support Raid 0, 1, 10, JBOD | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 2.0 slot or Integrated AMD Radeon™ HD 6000 in Llano APU | <!--Audio-->Realtek® ALC887 Audio CODEC | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 ports | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111E rtl8169 | <!--Opinion-->2012 2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - A-Series/E2- Series APUs up to 4 cores - 2 x DIMM, Max. 32GB, DDR3 2250(O.C.)/1866/1600/1333/1066 MHz Non-ECC, Un-buffered Memory Dual Channel Memory Architecture - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket FM2 White Socket (2012/13)===== Onboard Gfx on CPU - HD6570, HD7480D, HD7540D, {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A75 A85X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket FM2 Plus Black socket (2013/15)===== Onboard Gfx on CPU - HD6570, HD7480D, HD7540D, {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A88X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket AM1 FS1b socket (2014/1x)===== 5350 4 core Jaguar cores 2GHz with Integrated AMD Radeon R Series Graphics in the APU Kabini [Radeon HD 8400] Later Beema APU with 2/4 core Puma (slightly updated Jaguar) cores, GCN graphics and a compute capable Radeon core, along with a brand new AMD security processor and FT3 BGA packaging (probably best avoided for long term survival). {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS AM1I-A | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HD Audio Realtek® ALC887-VD | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111GR 8168 | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit may support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->MSI AM1I | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC887 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111G | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI AM1M | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC887 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111G | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->BGA FT3 AM1x |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket AM4 FM3 Summit Ridge Zen Zen+ (2016/22)===== Jim Keller’s group designed x86 Zen CPU - new and covering the same AM4 platform/socket for desktop Zen will also shift from Bulldozer’s Clustered Multithreading (CMT) to Simultaneous Multithreading (SMT, aka Intel’s Hyperthreading). CMT is the basis for Bulldozer’s unusual combination of multiple integer cores sharing a single FPU within a module, so the move to SMT is a more “traditional” design for improving resource usage Trusted Platform Module, or fTPM, that Windows 11 requires. Ryzen processors using a firmware TPM are causing stutters, even when doing mundane tasks. To enable TPM 2.0 on your AMD system please follow the steps below. <pre> Power on system and press DEL or F2 to get into the BIOS. Navigate to Advanced\CPU Configuration. Enable AMD fTPM switch. Press F10 to save changes. </pre> {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG Crosshair VI Hero | <!--Chipset-->X370 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 3.0 (1x16 or 2x8) | <!--Audio-->SupremeFX audio features an S1220 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel I211 | <!--Opinion-->Ryzen 7 1800X 1700X |- | <!--Name-->Biostar X370gtn Itx Am4 | <!--Chipset-->AMD X370 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek Dragon LAN RTL8118AS | <!--Opinion--> 2 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-AX370 K7 | <!--Chipset--> X370 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with 2 x Realtek® ALC1220 codec 0x10EC, 0x0295 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->1 intel and 1 E2500 | <!--Opinion--> 4 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name-->MSI Xpower Gaming Titanium | <!--Chipset--> X370 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->8-channel Realtek 1220 Codec 0x10EC, 0x0295 | <!--USB-->ASMedia® ASM2142 and amd cpu | <!--Ethernet-->1 x Intel® I211AT Gigabit LAN | <!--Opinion--> 2 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus Prime B350 Plus ATX | <!--Chipset-->B350 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> x PCIe 3.0/2.0 x16 (x16 mode) | <!--Audio-->Realtek® ALC887 8-Channel | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® RTL8111H | <!--Opinion-->Ryzen 5 1600x 1600 1500X 1400 - 4 x DIMM Max 64GB, DDR4 up to 2666MHz ECC and non-ECC Memory - ATX 12 inch x 9.35 inch ( 30.5 cm x 23.7 cm ) - 2 pci |- | <!--Name-->Asus PRIME B350M-A/CSM Micro ATX | <!--Chipset-->AMD B350 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek LAN | <!--Opinion-->Ryzen 3 1300x 1200 1100 |- | <!--Name-->AsRock Pro4 AB350 | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->2 PCIe 3.0 x16, 4 PCIe 2.0 x1 | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Opinion-->2017 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->ASRock AB350 Gaming-ITX/ac | <!--Chipset--> B350 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel LAN | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI B350 Tomahawk Arctic Mortar | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->1 x PCIe 3.0 x16 (x16 mode) | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8111H | <!--Opinion-->white and grey colours - 2 pci-e and 2 pci slots - m.2 in middle - atx 12 in by 9.6 in and matx versions - |- | <!--Name-->Jginyue M-ATX B350M-TI | <!--Chipset-->B350 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Jginyue B350I-Plus ITX | <!--Chipset-->B350 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASRock A320M-ITX MINI ITX Rev1.0 Rev2 Rev2.1 | <!--Chipset-->A320 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2018 |- | <!--Name-->Asus PRIME A320M-C R2.0 rev1.1 A320M-K | <!--Chipset-->A320 A/B300 SFF | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HD audio with Realtek ALC887 alc897 CODEC | <!--USB-->2 usb 3.1 gen 1 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111E | <!--Opinion-->2019 64bit - 3rd/2nd/1st Gen AMD Ryzen™ / 2nd and 1st Gen AMD Ryzen™ with Radeon™ Vega |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI A320M-A PRO MicroATX | <!--Chipset-->AMD A320 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio Realtek® ALC892 | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® 8111H | <!--Opinion-->2019 64bit - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG X399 Zenith Extreme | <!--Chipset-->AMD X399 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio--> supremefx s1220 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel | <!--Opinion-->Threadripper 1950X 1920X 1900X TR4 skt |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->AsRock Fatality X470 Gaming K4 mATX | <!--Chipset-->X470 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->pci-e rebar possible | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asrock Fatal1ty X470 Gaming-ITXac AMD AM4 | <!--Chipset-->AMD X470 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->ASUS ROG STRIX X470-I GAMING AM4 ITX Motherboard | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus B450-I Gaming | <!--Chipset-->AMD B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->high VRM temps - raven ridge 14nm+ like 2200G 2400G |- | <!--Name-->AsRock B450 Gaming K4 | <!--Chipset-->B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> alc892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> 4 ddr4 slots - low VRM thermals 3900x 3950x |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte B450 I Aorus Pro Wifi | <!--Chipset-->AMD B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 nvme pcie3 with 4 sata | <!--Gfx-->pcie | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek® ALC1220-VB codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel LAN | <!--Opinion-->very high vrm temps |- | <!--Name-->Jginyue B450i Gaming ITX | <!--Chipset-->B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata3 - none nvme | <!--Gfx-->pcie3 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->1G | <!--Opinion-->2021 64 2nd 3rd AMD - 2 ddr4 dimm slots |- | <!--Name-->MSI b450 tomahawk max | <!--Chipset--> b450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{n/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HD audio with Realtek® ALC892 Codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111H | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI B450 Pro Carbon | <!--Chipset-->B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> ALC codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel LAN | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI B450-A PRO | <!--Chipset-->B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 8111h | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI B450I GAMING Plus AC ITX | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2019 - 2nd and 3rd gen AMD - 2 ddr4 slots - |- | <!--Name-->MSI B450 GAMING PLUS MAX | <!--Chipset-->B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek® ALC892/ALC897 Codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 8111H | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MAXSUN AMD Challenger B450M M-ATX (aka Soyo) | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASRock X570 PHANTOM GAMING-ITX/TB3 Mini ITX AM4 | <!--Chipset-->X570 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 4.0 | <!--Audio--> ALC1200 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel LAN | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG Crosshair VIII Dark Hero | <!--Chipset-->AMD X570 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> SupremeFX7.1 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel® I211-AT and Realtek® RTL8125-CG 2.5G LAN | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG Strix X570-I Gaming Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI MPG X570 Gaming Plus | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> alc1220 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG Strix B550-i AM4 ITX Motherboard | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 - |- | <!--Name-->Jginyue Jingyue B550i Gaming itx | <!--Chipset-->B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->3 with 1 nvme | <!--Gfx-->1 pci-e 4 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio alc | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->1G | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit max of Ryzen 5500 (c t), 5600, 5600g (6c12t) - 2 ddr4 |- | <!--Name-->Asrock B550 PHANTOM GAMING ITX/AX | <!--Chipset-->AMD B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> pci-e | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with alc1220 codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|intel 2.5G}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->AsRock B550M-ITX/ac | <!--Chipset-->B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC887 ALC897 Audio Codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek Gigabit LAN | <!--Opinion-->2022 - 2 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name-->AsRock ASRock B550M-HDV | <!--Chipset-->B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->nvme and sata3 | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 4.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC887 or ALC897 Audio Codec unknown | <!--USB-->usb3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek rtl8111h Gigabit LAN}} | <!--Opinion-->2022 - 2 ddr4 slots - 1 pcie x1 slot - |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG STRIX B550-A GAMING | <!--Chipset-->B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->PCIe Gen4 x4 & SATA3 | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 4 | <!--Audio--> supremefx S1220A | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel® I225-V 2.5Gb}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte AMD B550I AORUS PRO AX Mini-ITX rev 1.0 | <!--Chipset-->AMD B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 nvme pci-e3 with 4 sata3 | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->Realtek® ALC1220-VB codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Realtek® 2.5GbE LAN}} | <!--Opinion-->2021 2 x DDR4 DIMM sockets 1Rx8/2Rx8/1Rx16 - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte B550 AORUS ELITE AX V2 ATX | <!--Chipset-->B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 4.0 DP and hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC1200 | <!--USB-->USB3 USB 3.2 Gen1 Type-C | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|2.5GbE LAN}} | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit- finer tuning than A520's - AMD Ryzen 5000 Series/ 3rd Gen Ryzen and 3rd Gen Ryzen with Radeon Graphics CPU - Dual Channel ECC/ Non-ECC Unbuffered DDR4, 4 DIMMs - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte B550M DS3H mATX | <!--Chipset--> B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 4.0 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio ALC887 | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->realtek rtl8118 | <!--Opinion-->2021 64bit - 4 ddr4 dimms - |- | <!--Name-->MSI MPG B550 GAMING PLUS ATX | <!--Chipset--> B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 4.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC892 | <!--USB-->USB 3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8111H | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit - 3rd Gen AMD Ryzen Processors - 4 dimm ddr4 - |- | <!--Name-->MSI MAG B550 TOMAHAWK ATX | <!--Chipset--> B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe 1 x M.2, Socket 3, M Key (up to Type 22110) and 1 x M.2, Socket 3, M Key (Type 2242/2260/2280) | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 4.0 with dp and hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDaudio ALC1200 | <!--USB-->USB3 1 x USB 3.1 Type-C and 1 x USB 3.1 Type-A | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8125B and Realtek RTL8111H | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit - 4 Dimm slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Jginyue A520M-H mATX | <!--Chipset-->A520 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> old bios with random issues with APU ryzens - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte A520M S2H mATX | <!--Chipset-->AMD A520 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 1GbE | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit Zen3 65W and up - 2 ddr4 - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte A520I AC mITX mini-itx | <!--Chipset-->AMD A520 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit Zen3 65W and up 5600G (6c12t) or 5700G (8c16t) - 2 ddr4 dimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->MSI A520M-A PRO mATX | <!--Chipset-->A520 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe 1 x M.2, Socket 3, M Key (Type 2242/2260/2280) | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC892 | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111H | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit - 2 ddr4 dimm slots - 3rd Gen AMD Ryzen Desktop and AMD Ryzen 4000 G-Series CPU |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} ===== (Socket AM5 LGA1718 Zen4 Zen5 Zen6 2022/27)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asrock Steel Legend | <!--Chipset-->x670e | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e rnda2 | <!--Audio-->HD audio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit - ddr5 ecc (10 chip) and non-ecc (8 chips) 64Gb @ 6000Mhz or 128GB @ 4800Mhz - |- | <!--Name-->Asrock TaiChi | <!--Chipset-->x670e | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e rnda2 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio | <!--USB-->USB4 with Thunderbolt 4 equivalent | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek killer E3000 2.5GbE}} | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit - ddr5 ecc (10 chip) and non-ecc (8 chips) |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG Crosshair Hero | <!--Chipset-->x670e | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe rnda2 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x670e | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->rnda3 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit 7950x3d 120W, 7900 7800 7600 90W |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x670e | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->rnda3 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus B650E-I | <!--Chipset-->B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 5 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2023 - better sound with an actual AMP, PCIe 5, USB-C display outs - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x650 B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x650 B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x650 B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MAXSUN AMD Challenger B650M WIFI M-ATX (aka Soyo) | <!--Chipset-->B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI b650i mini itx | <!--Chipset-->B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 4 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Opinion-->2023 - front panel connectors at the back of the board - dead rear nvme slot and a drained CMOS battery as the CMOS button being pressed during shipping - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A620M Zen4 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A620M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A620M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A620M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> Zen5 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> Zen6 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--ACPI--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Opinion-->2026 FP8 Zen 6 Medusa Point 4bigC, 4 econC, 2lpC, 8coreGPU - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--ACPI--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Opinion-->2026 FP10 Zen 6 Medusa Point 4bigC, 4 econC, 2lpC, 8coreGPU - |- |} ===== (Zen7 AM6 2027/3x)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} ===== (Zen AM 203x/3x)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} ====Intel Sockets==== [[#top|...to the top]] =====Socket 370 (2000/2)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Intel D815EEA | <!--Chipset-->866Mhz P3 and i815 chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Nvidia AGPx8 6200LE added}} | <!--Audio-->{{N/A}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|2 USB1.1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} | <!--Opinion-->Tested AspireOS 1.7, simple basic board with useful 5 PCI slots |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} =====Socket 478 (2002/4)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->[http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&u=http://detail.zol.com.cn/motherboard/index46381.shtml&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dc.865pe.l%2Bmotherboard%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3DsZB%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official Colorful Technology C.865PE-L Silver Fighter Warrior V2.3] | <!--Chipset-->865PE | <!--ACPI-->{{dunno| }} | <!--IDE-->{{Yes|tested with CDROM}} | <!--SATA-->{{dunno| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|AGP slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|ALC650 AC97}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB 1.1 and 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8100 8139}} | <!--Opinion-->Still testing with NB (Nightly Build) May 2013 |- | <!--Name-->Intel 845 | <!--Chipset-->865P | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{No|intel 800}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 AD1985}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB1.1 and USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|e1000}} | <!--Opinion-->Tested ICAROS 1.3 |- | <!--Name-->Intel 845 | <!--Chipset-->865GC | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{No|intel 865 Extreme Graphics 2}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 AD1985}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB1.1 and USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|e1000}} | <!--Opinion-->Tested ICAROS 1.3 |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA775 s775 (2005/8)===== an industry standard DDR2 module could in theory contain fallback JEDEC, intel XMP and AMD EPP configuration data Intel PC CL5 ram modules but an "AMD" CL5 ram module the BIOS cannot read the AMD EPP info on the SPD (Serial Presence Detect) but can recognize the CL5 timing info in the JEDEC data table. PC BIOS auto configures for the AMD ram module and boots normally. an AMD PC CL6 ram modules but an "INTEL" CL6 ram module the BIOS cannot read the INTEL XMP info on the SPD but can recognize the CL6 timing info in JEDEC data table. PC BIOS auto configures for the AMD ram module and boots normally. an INTEL PC needs CL6 ram modules but have an "AMD" CL4 ram module. INTEL BIOS cannot read the AMD EPP info on the SPD but can recognize the CL4 timing info in JEDEC data table. PC BIOS recognizes module timings as incompatible an refuses to boot. entirely separate issue if the RAM module timing specs are incompatible.(i.e. CL4 RAM in a "CL6 only" PC) {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Abit AG8 | <!--Chipset-->P915 + ICH6R | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 ports SATA1 | <!--Gfx-->1 PCIe x16 Slot | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC658 AC97 | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8110S-32 | <!--Opinion-->2004 32bit - Firewire TI 4200R7T no |- | <!--Name-->MSI 915 Neo2 | <!--Chipset-->P915 + ICH6R | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 ports SATA1 | <!--Gfx-->1 PCIe x16 Slot | <!--Audio-->CMI 9880L HD Audio | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcomm BCM5751 PCIe}} | <!--Opinion-->Firewire VIA VT6306 no |- |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5GC P5GC-MX | <!--Chipset-->P945GC Lakeport-GC + ICH7R northbridge | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 SATA1 3.0 Gbit/s ports | <!--Gfx-->1 PCIe 1.1 slot | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC662 codec | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 usb2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|atheros L2}} | <!--Opinion-->2005 32bit - 3 pci slots - 4 x 240-pin DIMM Sockets max. 4GB DDR2 667/533 non-ECC - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Foxconn PC45CM-SA 45CM-S | <!--Chipset-->945GC with ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 sata2 ports | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|pcie 1.0 slot with gma950 integrated}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with aLC883 codec playback}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|realtek 8139 8100sc}} | <!--Opinion-->2 dimm slots 667mhz max 4gb - can be found in Advent desktops - 2 pci-e and 2 pci - core 2 duo only e6xxx - Micro ATX (9.6” x 8.8”) - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-81945GM MFY-RH | <!--Chipset-->Intel® 945GM Express with ICH7M-DH | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA950 VGA15 and PCI-e 1.0 slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with ALC880 codec playback only rear port}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|4 usb 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel PRO1000PL 82573L Gigabit Ethernet}} | <!--Opinion-->2006 MoDT term “Mobile on DeskTop.”, low TDP CPUs to work on desktop form-factor motherboards. mATX Micro ATX 24.4cm x 24.4cm - 2 DDR2 dimm 1.8v slots with 4Gb max - will not boot if PCI2 slot occupied - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-945 GCM S2C | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC662 (1.x)}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|8101E Rtl 8169 (1.x)}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA945-GCM S2L | <!--Chipset-->945GC with ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 SATA1 ports | <!--Gfx-->PCi-E slot | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel HD Audio with ALC662 codec 2/4/5.1-channel (1.x)}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|4 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8111c 8169 (1.x)}} | <!--Opinion-->2 x 1.8V DDR2 DIMM 4GB DDR2 memory max - 2 PCI-e and 2 PCI - Micro ATX form factor; 24.4cm x 19.3cm - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI 945P Neo-F rev 1.0 | <!--Chipset-->P945 + ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 SATA1 ports | <!--Gfx-->PCie 1.0 slot | <!--Audio-->ALC662 HDA | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->8110SC (rtl8169) | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI 945P Neo2-F rev 1.2 | <!--Chipset-->P945 + ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 SATA1 ports | <!--Gfx-->PCie 1.0 slot | <!--Audio-->ALC850 AC97 | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->8110SC (rtl8169) | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-P31-DS3L | <!--Chipset-->P31 with ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCI Express x16 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC888 codec | <!--USB-->4 USB 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111B | <!--Opinion-->DDR2 800Mhz up to 4Gb 4 x 240 pin - 3 PCI - ATX 12.0" x 8.3" - |- |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5KPL-AM /PS | <!--Chipset-->G31 with ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->4 xSATA 3 Gbit/s ports | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 1.1 with integrated Intel® GMA 3100 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with VIA VT1708B with ALC662 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8102EL 100/10 LAN with Realtek RTL8111C Gigabit LAN | <!--Opinion-->2 x 2 GB DDR2 Non-ECC,Un-buffered DIMMs with 2 PCI - Intel Graphics Media Accelerator - |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5KPL/EPU | <!--Chipset-->G31 with ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Pci-e 1.0 slot | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with ALC887 codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL8169 Realtek 8111C}} | <!--Opinion-->Tested - 4 240-pin DIMM, Max. 4 GB - 4 pci-e and 3 pci - ATX Form Factor 12 inch x 8.2 inch ( 30.5 cm x 20.8 cm ) - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-G31M ES2L | <!--Chipset-->G31 plus ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 3100 2d}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ALC883 (1.x), ALC883/888B (2.x)}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|RTL8111C (1.x), Atheros 8131 (2.x)}} | <!--Opinion-->reduces DRAM capacity to 4GB |- | <!--Name-->ASRock G31M-S r1.0 G31M-GS | <!--Chipset-->G31 + ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|4 sata2}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|GMA 3100 2d not 3d}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC662}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|4 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{partial|rtl8169 RTL8111DL 8169 (for -GS) RTL8102EL (for -S)}} | <!--Opinion-->2007 64bit Core2 - 2 DDR2 800 max 8Gig AMI bios MicroATX - |- | <!--Name-->ASRock G31M-S r2.0 | <!--Chipset-->G31 + ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|4 sata2}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|GMA 3100 2d not 3d}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC662}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|4 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL 8111DL 8169}} | <!--Opinion-->2008 64bit core2 - 2 DDR2 800 max 8Gig MicroATX |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.intel.com/cd/channel/reseller/apac/eng/products/desktop/bdb/dg31pr/feature/index.htm Intel DG31PR] | <!--Chipset-->iG31 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|3100 but can use PCIe 1.1 slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC888 playback}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8111B Rtl 8169}} | <!--Opinion-->good support |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Intel G33 Express Chipset with ich9 southbridge | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Intel 3100 powervr tile based | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2008 64bit - embedded on Core 2 Quad, Core 2 Duo, Pentium Dual-Core CPUS with Integrated GPU Intel GMA 3100 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASUS P5G41T-M LX | <!--Chipset-->G41 + ICH8 + DDR3 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|X4500 some 2d only)}} | <!--Audio-->ALC887 | <!--USB-->3 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Atheros L1c AR8131}} | <!--Opinion-->reduces maximum supported memory ddr3 from 16 to 8GB 2 dimm slots non-EEC - demotes the PCIe controller mode from revision 2.0 (5.0GT/s) to revision 1.1 (2.5GT/s |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-G41MT S2 | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->VT1708S (1.3), ALC887-VD2 (1.4), ALC887 (2.1), | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Atheros AR8151 l1c (1.x 2.x), | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-G41MT S2PT | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC887 (1.0), VIA (2.0), ALC887 (2.1) | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8111E (1.x), Atheros AR8151 l1c (2.1), | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-G41MT D3 | <!--Chipset-->G41 + ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 Port | <!--SATA-->4 Ports | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|GMA X4500 2d only and pci-e 1.1 slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC888B}} | <!--USB-->4 ports + headers | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8111 D/E}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-P41T D3P | <!--Chipset-->G41 + ICH7 with Intel Core 2 Duo (E6xxx) CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4ports | <!--Gfx-->GMA X4500 2d | <!--Audio-->ALC888 889/892 | <!--USB-->4 ports | <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8111C or D/E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Intel DG41AN Classic | <!--Chipset-->iG41 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 ports | <!--Gfx-->X4500 2d | <!--Audio-->ALC888S ALC888VC | <!--USB-->4 ports | <!--Ethernet-->8111E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->AsRock P5B-DE | <!--Chipset-->P965 + ICH8 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|works ide legacy}} |<!--Gfx-->{{Yes|with PCI-E 1.1 slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio via VT1708S}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL8169}} | <!--Opinion-->2006 works well |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5B SE | <!--Chipset-->965 intel | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{N/A}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio ALC662 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion-->works well except ethernet |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5W DH Deluxe P5WDG2 WS PRO | <!--Chipset-->975X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->2 ports | <!--Gfx-->2 PCIe x16 slots | <!--Audio-->ALC882 AND LATER ADI 1988B | <!--USB-->2 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8052 88E8053}} | <!--Opinion-->Firewire TI TSB43AB22A no |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Abit IP35 | <!--Chipset-->P35 Express + ICH9R | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 ports | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC888 HDA | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->two RTL8110SC | <!--Opinion-->Firewire Texas TSB43 AB22A no |- | <!--Name-->MSI P35 Neo F FL MS-7630 rev 1 | <!--Chipset-->Intel P35 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 1.1 support | <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC888 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Opinion-->Base model of this range of P35 mobos |- | <!--Name-->GA-P35-DS3 | <!--Chipset-->P35 and ICH9 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 ports | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC889A codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8111B | <!--Opinion-->2008 - 4 x 1.8V DDR2 DIMM sockets max 8 GB - |- | <!--Name-->GA-EP35-DS3 (rev. 2.1) | <!--Chipset-->Intel® P35 + ICH9 Chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{unk|}} | <!--SATA-->{{unk|4 }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{unk|Realtek ALC889A codec }} | <!--USB-->{{yes | }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8111B}} | <!--Opinion-->good |- | <!--Name-->Abit IX38 Quad GT | <!--Chipset-->X38 / ICH9R Chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 ports | <!--Gfx-->PCI-E 2.0 slot | <!--Audio--> HD Audio ALC888 | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL 8110SC 8169SC | <!--Opinion-->Firewire Texas TSB 43AB22A no |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte X38-DQ6 | <!--Chipset-->X38 / ICH9R Chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 ports | <!--Gfx-->PCI-E 2.0 slot | <!--Audio-->ALC889A HDA | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->twin 8111B 8169 | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-EP45 DS3 (2008) | <!--Chipset-->P45 + ICH9 or ICH10 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 x SATA 3Gbit/s (SATAII0, SATAII1, SATAII2, SATAII3, SATAII4, SATAII5) | <!--Gfx-->two PCI-E v2.0 x16 slots support splitting its 16 PCIe 2.0 lanes across two cards at x8 transfers | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC888 or ALC889A codec | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->2 x Realtek 8111C chips (10/100 /1000 Mbit) | <!--Opinion-->4 x 1.8V DDR2 DIMM sockets non-EEC |- | <!--Name-->MSI P45 Platinum (2008) | <!--Chipset-->P45 + ICH9 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 sata2 ports | <!--Gfx-->two PCI-E x16 v2.0 slots | <!--Audio-->ALC888 HD Audio | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->G45 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->adds Intel’s GMA X4500HD graphics engine to P45 Express features | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->G43 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->GMA X4500 2d | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->removes HD video acceleration from the G45’s features |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5E Deluxe | <!--Chipset--> X48 with ICH9 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ADI 1988B codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Marvell 88E8001 | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->GigaByte GA-X48 DQ6 | <!--Chipset-->X48 plus ICH9R | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->8 ports | <!--Gfx-->two PCI-E x16 v2.0 slots | <!--Audio-->ALC889A | <!--USB-->8 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8111B 8169 | <!--Opinion-->Firewire TSB43AB23 no - ICH9 pairs with Intel’s 3-series (X38, P35, etc.) chipsets, in addition to the X48 Express, but excluding the G35 Express |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte EP43-DS3L and Gigabyte GA-EP43-UD3L | <!--Chipset-->P43 with ICH10 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 x SATA 3Gbit/s connectors | <!--Gfx-->1 x PCI Express x16 slot PCI Express 2.0 standard | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC888 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8111C | <!--Opinion-->4 x 1.8V DDR2 DIMM sockets - 4 pcie x1 - 2 pci - ATX Form Factor; 30.5cm x 21.0cm |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte 73-pvm-s2h rev.1.0 | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA GeForce 7100 nForce 630i | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes|1 port}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|3 ports SATA2}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d GeForce 7100 (vga /hdmi/dvi), 1 PCIe x16 Slot }} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Realtek ALC889A MCP73}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|7 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|RTL 8211B MCP73}} | <!--Opinion-->Firewire Not, tested with Icaros Desktop 2.0.3 MCP73 is a single chip solution in three different versions |- | <!--Name-->Nvidia 7150 630i | <!--Chipset-->intel based nForce 630i (MCP73) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|ide legacy}} | <!--GFX-->GF 7150 | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD AUDIO ALC883}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|ohci echi}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|RTL8201C}} | <!--Opinion-->being tested |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 2.0 x16 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> the MCP73PV or the GeForce 7050/nForce 630i |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->the MCP73S or the GeForce7025/nForce 630i |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->the MCP73V or the GeForce 7025/nForce 610i |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Atom SOC (2008/2x)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->D945CLF | <!--Chipset-->N230 single core | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|GMA945}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC662}} Skt 441 | <!--USB-->{{yes|uhci and ehci}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169}} | <!--Opinion-->works very well |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.clusteruk.com iMica D945GCKF2 mobo] | <!--Chipset-->Intel Atom N330 Dual Core | <!--ACPI-->wip | <!--IDE-->{{yes|IDE}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|gma}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD AUDIO}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|uhci ehci}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->D945GSEJT + Morex T1610 | <!--Chipset-->Atom 230 with 945GSE | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|GMA900 vga but issues with DVI output}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio with ALC662 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8169 8111DL}} | <!--Opinion-->small size, runs off 12V |- | <!--Name-->ASUS AT3N7A-I | <!--Chipset-->Atom N330 Nvidia ION | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|3 ports legacy IDE}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|nouveau cube cube 2 45 quake 3 }} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio with VIA 1708S codec playback}} | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8169 device}} | <!--Opinion--><ref>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAiJpvu73iw</ref> good but can freeze randomly at times |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->D410PT 45nm pinetrail | <!--Chipset-->D410 and NM10 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|ide legacy}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|GMA3150}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC262 or ALC66x odd clicks}} | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8111DL}} | <!--Opinion-->some support |- | <!--Name-->45nm pinetrail | <!--Chipset-->D510 and NM10 + GMA3150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->GMA3150 | <!--Audio-->ALC888B or ALC66x | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8111DL | <!--Opinion-->some support |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-D525TUD (rev. 1.0 1.2 1.5) | <!--Chipset-->D525 NM10 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->gma 3150 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC887 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111f | <!--Opinion-->2012 64 - 2 ddr3 dimm slots max 8g - Mini-ITX Form Factor; 17.0cm x 17.0cm - |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- |} =====Socket 1366 (2009/10)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus P6T DELUXE | <!--Chipset-->x58 + ICH10 and Intel 1st gen. (Nehalem/Lynnfield) Core i7 (8xx) CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|1 port}} | <!--SATA-->4 ports | <!--Gfx-->2 PCIe x16 (r2.0) slots | <!--Audio-->ADI AD2000B HD Audio | <!--USB-->{{yes|4 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Marvell 88E8056 Gigabit}} | <!--Opinion-->Firewire VIA VT6308 no |- | <!--Name-->gigabyte ex58 ds | <!--Chipset--> x58 + ICH10 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111D rtl8169 | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket 1156 (2010)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire M3910 | <!--Chipset-->i3 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{unk| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA intel HD}} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek ALC}} | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk| Realtek}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H55M-S2H | <!--Chipset-->H55 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe slot | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|ALCxxx playback}} ALC888B (Rev1.x) | <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL8111D}} (Rev 1.x) | <!--Opinion-->Tested but no support for WLAN Realtek 8188su |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI H55M-E33 v1.0 | <!--Chipset-->E7636 M7636 H55 chipset so older i3/i5/i7 system | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio ALC889}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|PCI-E Realtek 8111DL}} | <!--Opinion-->Works well |- | <!--Name-->Asus P7P55D | <!--Chipset-->P55 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{unk| }} | <!--SATA-->{{unk| }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{maybe | via codec}} | <!--USB-->{{unk| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe |rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111B/C RTL8112L }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA 1155 H2 (2010/13)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS P8H61-I LX R2.0 | <!--Chipset-->H61 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata | <!--Gfx-->1 pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio via7018s codec}} | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 8111f}} | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit up to intel ivybridge cpus - 2 ddr3 dimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->Asus P8H61-I/RM/SI mini-itx | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 2 | <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio via7018s codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 8111f}} | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit up to i3-2010 - OEM board from an RM machine but not ivybridge as the Asus BIOS isn't compatible with these, 0909 hacked one might work - |- | <!--Name-->asus p8h61-i lx r2.0/rm/si mini itx | <!--Chipset-->h61 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 2.0 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with VIA codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111e | <!--Opinion-->2012 sandy and ivy - oem from rm machine 2 x 240-Pin DDR3 DIMM sockets max DDR3 1333MHz - |- | <!--Name-->‎Bewinner 63q9c7omvs V301 ITX | <!--Chipset-->H61 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata with nvme | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 4 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Realtek 8106E 100M Network Card}} | <!--Opinion-->2022 64 |- | <!--Name-->Biostar H61 H61MHV2 H61MHV3 Ver. 7.0 | <!--Chipset-->H61 with Intel Pentium G 2xxx series CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC662 later ALC897 | <!--USB-->4 usb2 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H | <!--Opinion-->2014 - 2 ddr3 dimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H61M-D2-B3 | <!--Chipset-->H61 + Sandybridge | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 ports sata2 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC889 | <!--USB-->2 ports | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8111E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H61MA-D3V | <!--Chipset-->H61 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 ports sata2 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Maybe HDAudio with Realtek ALC887 (Rev 2.0) ALC887 (Rev2.1) | <!--USB-->2 USB 2.0/1.1 ports | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8111E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H61N-D2V | <!--Chipset-->H61 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata2 and maybe 4 sata3 | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 2.0 slot wit 1 x DVI-I port | <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek ALC887 (Rev 1.0)}} | <!--USB-->2 USB 2.0/1.1 ports | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8111E | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit- 2 x 1.5V DDR3 DIMM sockets up to 16 GB - |- | <!--Name-->GA-H61M-S2PV | <!--Chipset-->H61 with 2400k 2500k 2600k 2700k | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 2.0 slot | <!--Audio-->ALC887 (rev 1.0 2.0 2.1 2.2 2.3) | <!--USB-->4 USB 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Rtl8111E (1.0), 8151 (2.0) no, Rtl8111F (2.1 2.2 2.3) | <!--Opinion-->Micro ATX Form Factor; 24.4cm x 20cm with 2 pci-e and 2 pci - |- | <!--Name-->Intel Classic Series DH61CR Desktop | <!--Chipset-->H61 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 ports | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC892 | <!--USB-->4 ports | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82579V}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI H61M-P20 (G3) MS-7788 *retail MSI board *OEM Advent, etc | <!--Chipset-->H61 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|four SATAII ports}} | <!--Gfx-->1 PCI Express gen3 (retail) gen2 (oem) x16 slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio ALC887 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek 8105E 100M Network Card}} | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit - 2 ddr3 slots - 22.6cm(L) x 17.3cm(W) M-ATX Form Factor - BIOS - [https://www.arosworld.org/infusions/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=1149&rowstart=140&pid=6009#post_6007 works well], |- | <!--Name-->MSI H61I-E35 (B3) MS-7677 Ver.1.2 | <!--Chipset-->H61 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata2 3gbps | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2d for hdmi and 1 pcie 2.0 x1 slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|https://www.arosworld.org/infusions/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=1149&rowstart=140&pid=5861#post_5861 works}} | <!--USB-->USB3 and USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 rtl8111e}} | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit - 2 ddr3 slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus P8H67-M | <!--Chipset-->H67 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata3 - 4 sata2 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC887 | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® 8111E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus P8P67 | <!--Chipset-->P67 with sandybridge and ivybridge cpus | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with ALC codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|rtl8169 realtek rtl8111}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus P8Z68-V LX | <!--Chipset-->Z68 + Intel 2nd generation (Sandy Bridge) CPU and possibly ivybridge | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|2 sata3 - 4 sata2}} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio Intel HD with ALC887 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 USB3.0 - 4 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek® 8111E}} | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit SSE 4.1 and AVX - EFI bios - 4 ddr3 dimm slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte Z68AP-D3 (B3) | <!--Chipset-->Z68 + Ivybridge | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata3 - 4 sata2 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC889 | <!--USB-->2 USB3.0 - 4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® 8111E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus B75M-A | <!--Chipset-->B75 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HDAudio with Realtek ® ALC887-VD codec}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek ® 8111F-VB-CG }} | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit - 2 ddr3 slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->H77 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H77-D3H 1.0 1.1 | <!--Chipset-->H77 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata 3.0 | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio VIA VT2021 codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros GbE LAN chip}} | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit i5 3550 7 3770 - 4 DDR3 slots - 2 full pci-e 2 pci slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA Z77 D3H with i3 3225 dual | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio VIA VT2021 codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros GbE LAN chip}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA 1150 H3 (2013/2016)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->[https://theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/asus-b85m-e-rev-1-02 Asus B85M-E] | <!--Chipset-->B85 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HDAudio with Realtek ® ALC887-VD2 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8111F}} | <!--Opinion-->2014 64bit - 4 ddr3 slots - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H87N-WIFI mITX | <!--Chipset-->H87 and Intel 4th generation (Haswell) Core i5 (4xxx) CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC892 | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel Atheros}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS H81I-PLUS Mini ITX | <!--Chipset-->H81 with intel 4590t 4690t | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata3 6gbps | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 3.0 x4 slot and with HD4400 HDMI vga mode works but other grub options no display just black screen - analogue DVI and vga untested | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio 6.34 with ALC8878 codec playback only}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|USB3 and USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 rtl8111g}} | <!--Opinion-->2014 64bit - 2 ddr3 dimm slots max 16gb - f2 or DEL bios and f8 boot select - does not like unconnected gfx card in pci-e slot - deadwood 2026-09 DO3 build - |- | <!--Name-->Asus H81M-C H81M-P-SI | <!--Chipset-->H81 with 4th generation (Haswell) Core i7 (4xxx) CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|2x3g 2x6g}} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->hdaudio alc887 vd | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8111gr | <!--Opinion-->2013 skt 1150 - 2 ddr3 max 16g - mini atx - |- | <!--Name-->Asus H81T | <!--Chipset-->H81 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata | <!--Gfx-->HD4000 igpu only | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC887-VD | <!--USB-->Intel USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 realtek 8111G | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit intel 4th gen mini itx - external dc brick with 19v rare barrel pin 7.4MM x 5.0MM - 2 ddr3 laptop sodimm slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H81M-S2V | <!--Chipset-->H81 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC887 | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® GbE LAN chip | <!--Opinion-->2014 64bit up to i7 4790K - 2 DDR3 slots - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H81M-D3V (rev. 1.0) | <!--Chipset-->H81 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|2 sata2 2 sata3 }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{unk| HDAudio Realtek® ALC887 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{unk|intel and VIA® VL805}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|rtl8169 Realtek }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI H81M-E34 (MS-7817) | <!--Chipset-->H81 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 2.0 x16 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC887 codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 RTL8111G}} | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus Z87-K | <!--Chipset-->Z87 with 4th generation (Haswell) Core i7 4c8t i5 4c4t CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek lan | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-Z87X-UD3H | <!--Chipset-->Z87 Express | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with Realtek® ALC898 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|intel}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA H97M D3H r1.0 r1.1 with i3 4360 or 4370 dual | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek lan | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus Z97 A with i7 4790K | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e slot for GTX 750, 960, 970 and 980 | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|intel lan ethernet}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA Z97X UD3H rev1.0 1.1 1.2 | <!--Chipset-->Z97 with i5 4690K | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with ALC1150 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|intel lan}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI GAMING 5 Z97 | <!--Chipset-->Z97 with 4th generation (Haswell) Core i7 4c8t CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS Q87M-E | <!--Chipset-->Q87 lynx point | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->ALC887VD codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|intel}} | <!--Opinion-->2014 64bit - 4 DDR3 slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->H99 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA2011V2 s2011-2 (2012/15)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x79 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2013 Xeon e5-???? W TDP, e5-2667V2 W TDP, e5-????V2 W TDP, Sandybridge and Ivybridge V2 |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset-->X79 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA2011V3 s2011-3 (2015/18)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x99 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2016 Xeon e5-1620v3 130W TDP, e5-1650V3 (i7-5930K) 140W TDP, e5-2640V3 90W TDP, Haswell-EP |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset-->X99 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->most cheap Ryzens are better nowadays |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Huananzhi X99-CD4 | <!--Chipset-->Intel C612 and X99 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata 3 connectors and 1 m.2 nvme slot | <!--Gfx-->pcie slot | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with ALC897 codec | <!--USB-->{{No|USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} | <!--Opinion-->2024 quality might not be great outside of a simple setup - 2 ddr4 dimms - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Keyiyou X99 XD4 | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Machinist MR9A Pro | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2023 |- | <!--Name-->Machinist MR9A Pro | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2023 |- | <!--Name-->Mogul | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Qiyida X99 H9S | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2023 |- | <!--Name-->Soyo | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA 1151 Socket H4 (2015/2018)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->Skylake CPUs have TPM 2.0 embedded |- | <!--Name-->Asus H110 Plus H110M-A/DP | <!--Chipset--> with 6th Gen Core and 7th with bios update | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->Sunrise Point-H SATA [AHCI mode] [8086 a102] | <!--Gfx-->{{No|Skylake Integrated HD Graphics use PIC-E slot}} | <!--Audio-->Intel HD Audio with Realtek ALC887 Audio CODEC | <!--USB-->Sunrise Point-H USB 3.0 xHCI [8086: a12f] no usb2.0 fallback | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8111GR or 8111H RTL8111 8168 8411}} | <!--Opinion-->ATX with 3 pci-e and 2 DDR4 slots - uatx version smaller - turn off TLSF as it was causing AHI driver to corrupt. Turned off ACPI for errors but works fine once booted - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS H110M-R M-ATX | <!--Chipset-->H110 6th Gen Skylake Core™ i7 Core™ 6950X i7-6970HQ i7-6700K 4c8t hyperthreading, i5/Core™ i5-6600K 4c4t i3/Pentium® / Celeron® | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 x SATA 6Gb/s | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek® ALC887 codec | <!--USB-->Intel USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® RTL8111H | <!--Opinion-->2016 64bit - 2 DDR4 DIMMS Max 32GB 2133MHz - 1 full pci-e and 2 pci-e 1 - |- | <!--Name-->Asus H110T | <!--Chipset-->H110 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata | <!--Gfx-->intel igpu only | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Dual Intel/Realtek GbE languard | <!--Opinion-->2016 - mini itx 12v / 19v laptop type rare barrel pin 7.4MM x 5.0MM - 2 sodimm ddr4 slots - no pci-e slot - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H110M-S2H MATX Rev1.0 | <!--Chipset-->H110 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 3.0 | <!--Audio-->Realtek® ALC887 codec | <!--USB-->2 (USB 3.1 Gen 1) ports with 4 us2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® GbE LAN | <!--Opinion--> 2 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte ga-h110n | <!--Chipset-->H110 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes| sata}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2d for Intel or PCI-e slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HDaudio for ALC887 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8169}} | <!--Opinion-->2016 mini-itx 6th gen |- | <!--Name-->Msi H110M-PRO-VH | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 x SATA 6Gb/s | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 3.0 | <!--Audio--> Realtek® ALC887 Codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111h | <!--Opinion--> 6th gen intel - 2 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus H170 Pro Gaming | <!--Chipset-->H170 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->Asmedia USB3.1/3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|intel lan}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI Z170A TOMAHAWK | <!--Chipset-->Z170 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sara, 1 x 2280 Key M(PCIe Gen3 x4/SATA), 1 x 2230 Key E(Wi-Fi) | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|intel lan}} | <!--Opinion-->2016 64bit up to i7 7700k - 2 DDR4 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->GIGABYTE GA-B250M-DS3H HD3P D3H D2V | <!--Chipset-->B250 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2018 coffee lake intel 8th gen |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset--> with Kaby Lake X Intel 7th Gen | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> up to 16 pcie lanes |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset--> Z390 with Kaby Lake X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> up to 16 pcie lanes |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> Q370M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> H370M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> B360M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus Rampage | <!--Chipset-->x299 with i9 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> - up to 24 to 44 pcie lanes |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte | <!--Chipset-->X299 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} =====Socket LGA 1200 (2020/2022)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->MSI H510M-A PRO (MS-7D22) | <!--Chipset--> with 10th gen Comet Lake X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2021 64bit - up to 16 pcie lanes rebar possible |- | <!--Name-->Asus PRIME H410M-E Asrock H470M-HDV/M.2 | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset--> with 11th gen Rocket Lake X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> up to 16 pcie lanes |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} =====Socket LGA 1700 (2023/ )===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Alder Lake / 14th gen Raptor Lake | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2021 2022 64bit - QoS work to 2 level cpus, P down to E cores - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Meteor Lake ultra 5 7 1xxH series 1 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2023 2024 64bit 10nm - 3 level cpus, Low Power Island (SOC tile) to E onto P cores - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> 15th gen Arrow Lake | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Lunar lake ultra 5 7 2xxV series 2 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2025 64bit 7nm - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Nova Lake | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2026 64bit - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Panther Lake | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2026 64bit - either 44, 484, or 448 tiled cores 18A process - core ultra x9 288h, x7 358H, - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA 1954 (2027/ )===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Nova Lake-S | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Serpent Lake, Titan Lake, and Razer Lake | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2027 |- |} =====Socket LGA (203x/203x)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->MSI | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} ===Chromebooks=== For most (EOL) cromebooks, the recommended UEFI path forward is to: *put the device into Developer Mode *disable firmware write protection *flash MrChromebox's UEFI Full ROM firmware *install ChromeOS Flex, Linux, etc See [https://mrchromebox.tech/#home MrChrome], [https://mrchromebox.tech MrChrome] and the [https://www.reddit.com/r/chrultrabook/ chrultrabook subreddit] for more info ChromeOS has several different boot modes, which are important to understand in the context of modifying your device to run an alternate OS: *Normal/Verified Boot Mode Can only boot Google-signed ChromeOS images Full verification of firmware and OS kernel No root access to the system, no ability to run Linux or boot other OSes Automatically enters Recovery Mode if any step of Verified Boot fails Default / out-of-the-box setting for all ChromeOS devices *Recovery Mode User presented with Recovery Mode boot screen (white screen with 'ChromeOS is missing or damaged') Boots only USB/SD with signed Google recovery image Automatically entered when Verified Boot Mode fails Can be manually invoked: On Chromebooks, via keystroke: [ESC+Refresh+Power] On Chromeboxes, by pressing a physical recovery button at power-on On Convertibles/Tablets, by holding the Power, Vol+, and Vol- buttons for 10s and then release Allows for transition from Verified Boot Mode to Developer Mode On Chromebooks/Chromeboxes, via keystroke: [CTRL+D] On Convertibles/Tablets, via button press: Vol+/Vol- simultaneously Booting recovery media on USB/SD will repartition/reformat internal storage and reload ChromeOS Note: The ChromeOS recovery process does not reset the firmware boot flags (GBB Flags), so if those are changed from the default, they will still need to be reset for factory default post-recovery. *Developer Mode "Jailbreak" mode built-in to every ChromeOS device Loosened security restrictions, allows root/shell access, ability to run Linux via crouton Verified Boot (signature checking) disabled by default, but can be re-enabled Enabled via [CTRL+D] on the Recovery Mode boot screen Boots to the developer mode boot screen (white screen with 'OS verification is off' text), The user can select via keystroke <pre> ChromeOS (in developer mode) on internal storage ( [CTRL+D] ) ChromeOS/ChromiumOS on USB ( [CTRL+U] ) Legacy Boot Mode ( [CTRL+L] ) </pre> Boot screen displays the ChromeOS device/board name in the hardware ID string (eg, PANTHER F5U-C92, which is useful to know in the context of device recovery, firmware support, or in determining what steps are required to install a given alternate OS on the device. *Legacy Boot Mode Unsupported method for booting alternate OSes (Linux, Windows) via the SeaBIOS RW_LEGACY firmware Accessed via [CTRL+L] on the developer mode boot screen Requires explicit enabling in Developer Mode via command line: sudo crossystem dev_boot_legacy=1 Most ChromeOS devices require a RW_LEGACY firmware update first Boots to the (black) SeaBIOS splash screen; if multiple boot devices are available, prompt shows the boot menu Note: If you hear two beeps after pressing [CTRL+L], then either your device doesn't have a valid Legacy Boot Mode / RW_LEGACY firmware installed, or legacy boot capability has not been been enabled via crossystem. https://www.howtogeek.com/278953/how-to-install-windows-on-a-chromebook/ Chromebooks don’t officially support other OSs. You normally can’t even install as Chromebooks ship with a special type of BIOS designed for Chrome OS. But there are ways to install, if you’re willing to get your hands dirty and potentially ruin everything [https://mrchromebox.tech/#devices Firmware Compatibility] [https://wiki.galliumos.org/Hardware_Compatibility Here is the list of hardware that the GalliumOS supports and information on getting Gallium OS on to those devices] Development on GalliumOS has been discontinued, and for most users, GalliumOS is not the best option for running Linux due to lack of hardware support or a kernel that's out of date and lacking important security fixes. Meet Eupnea and Depthboot, the successors to Galliumos and Breath [https://eupnea-linux.github.io This is the bleeding edge] Most older Chromebooks need the write-protect screw removed in order to install MrChromebox's firmware that allows you to install other operating systems. Most newer Chromebooks don't work in the same way as there is no write-protect screw on them. Very rough guide to '''total''' (i.e. all cores / threads) processor performance (AROS usually uses only the [https://gmplib.org/gmpbench one core]) [[#top|...to the top]] <pre> 060000 AMD Ryzen 9 7900X (AM5 170W), 056000 AMD Ryzen 9 5950X, 055000 AMD Ryzen 9 5900X3D, 053000 AMD Ryzen 9 5900X (AM4 105W), AMD Ryzen 9 3950X (105W), 044000 AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D, 042000 AMD Ryzen 9 6900HX, AMD Ryzen 5 5600X3D (AM4 95W), AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 5750GE (AM4 35W), 039000 AMD Ryzen 9 5900HS, Intel Core i7-12700T, AMD Ryzen 7 7735HS (8c16t 45W), AMD 8840U, 038000 AMD Ryzen 7 5800H (FP6 45W), AMD Ryzen 7 6800U, Intel Core i5-12490F, Intel Core i5-12500E, 037000 AMD Ryzen 7 5800HS (FP6 35W), AMD Ryzen 5 8500G 8600GE (AM5 6c12t 35W), AMD Ryzen Z2 (8c16t), 036500 AMD Ryzen 7 5700G (AM4 8c16t 65W), AMD Ryzen 9 6900HS, Intel Core i7-12800H, 036200 AMD Ryzen 7 5700GE (AM4 8c16t 35W), AMD Ryzen Z1 Extreme (top TDP), AMD Ryzen 5 8600G (AM5 65W), 036000 AMD Ryzen 5 3600X (Am4 95W), AMD Ryzen 5 5500 (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 5 5600 (65W), 035000 AMD Ryzen 5 6600H, Intel Core i5-12400F, 031000 AMD Ryzen™ 9 8945HS, Ryzen™ 7 8845HS, AMD Ryzen 7 7840U, 030000 AMD Ryzen 7 4800U, AMD Ryzen 4800H, Intel Core i5-11400F, Intel Zeon E5-2697A V4, 029500 AMD Ryzen 5 4500 (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 5 3600 (65W), Apple M3 Pro 12c, AMD Ryzen 5 5600G, 028500 AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 5675U, AMD Ryzen 7 1700 (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 7 2700 (65W), Ryzen 3 7540U, 028000 AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 5650U, 5 5560U (FP6 25W 6c12t Zen3), Intel Core i5-13500H, AMD Ryzen 7 4800HS, 027700 AMD Ryzen 9 PRO 7940HS (FP8 65W), AMD 8745HS, AMD Ryzen H255 AI, AMD Ryzen 3 7545U, 027500 AMD Ryzen 3 7736U, AMD Ryzen 5 7640U, 027400 AMD Ryzen 5 8540U, AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 5650GE (AM4 6c12t 35W), AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 4650G (AM4 45W), 027300 AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 4750GE, AMD Ryzen 5 5600H, AMD Ryzen 7 5825U (FP6 8c16t 15W), 027200 AMD Ryzen 5 6600U, AMD Ryzen 7 2700X, AMD Ryzen 5 5600GE (AM4 35W), AMD Ryzen Z1, 027100 AMD Ryzen 7 7730U (FP6 15W 8c16t), AMD Ryzen 7 5800U (FP6 25W 8c16t), Ryzen 9 4900H, 027000 AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 4750U (8c16t), Ryzen 5 7430U (FP6 6c12t), Ryzen 5 PRO 6650U, Intel 10500H, 026500 AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 7840HS (FP7 65W), AMD Ryzen 7 8840HS, AMD Ryzen Z2 Extreme, 025000 AMD Ryzen 5 4600HS (FP6 35W 6c12t), Apple M1 Pro, AMD Ryzen 5 5625U (FP6 15W 6c12t), 024500 AMD Ryzen 5 5600U (FP6 25W hot 6c12t Zen3), AMD Ryzen 5 2600 (65W), Ryzen 5 7530U, 024000 AMD Ryzen 5 4600G (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 4650GE (AM4 35W), AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 1700X (AM4 95W), 023700 AMD Ryzen 3 PRO 5350GE (AM4 35W), AMD Ryzen 5 3500X (AM4 95W), Intel Core i7-9700, 023500 AMD Ryzen 5 1600X (95W), AMD Ryzen 3 5300GE (AM4 4c8t 35W), AMD Ryzen 7 5700U (FP6 25W 8c16t Zen2), 023200 AMD Ryzen 3 7330U (FP6 15W 4c8t), AMD Ryzen 7 4700U (FP6 25W 8c8t), AMD Ryzen 5 4400G, 023000 Intel Core i7-1255U, Intel Core i7 13700H, Ryzen 7640HS, 022000 AMD Ryzen Z2 Go (4c8t), AMD Ryzen 5 5500U (FP6 25W 6c12t Zen2), Snapdragon 8 Elite, 020500 AMD Ryzen 3 4300G (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 3 5450U 5425U, AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 4650U (6c12t), 019500 Intel Core i5-1135G7, AMD Ryzen 5 5500H, AMD Ryzen 5 4600U (FP6 25W 6c), AMD Ryzen 5 2600 (65W), 019250 Intel Core i5-1145G7, 019000 AMD Ryzen 5 3400G (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 5 2500X, AMD Ryzen 5 7520U, AMD Ryzen V3C18I (? 15W), 017750 AMD Ryzen 5 3400GE (AM4 35W), Intel Core i5-8400, AMD Ryzen 5 1500X (AM4 65W), Xbox One Series X, 017500 Intel Core i7-6700K, Intel i5-10400, AMD Ryzen 5 4500U (FP6 25W 6c6t), AMD Ryzen 3 5400U, 017000 AMD Ryzen 3 PRO 4350GE (AM4 35W), AMD Ryzen 3 5300U (FP6 25W 4c8t), Intel Core i5-11300H, 016500 AMD Ryzen 7 3750H, AMD Ryzen Embedded V1756B (FP5 45W), AMD Ryzen 3 PRO 4200GE, SD G3 Gen3, 016250 Intel Core i5-1035G7, intel core i5 7600 (4c4t 65W), 016000 AMD Ryzen 5 2400G (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 5 3550H, Ryzen 5 PRO 3350GE (4c 8t), Intel Core i5-8500T, 015500 AMD Ryzen Embedded R2544, Apple A19 Pro, Intel i7-4790K, 015000 AMD Ryzen 3 7320U, Ryzen 7 3700U, Ryzen 3200G (AM4 65W), Intel Core i7-8550U, Intel Core i5-1035G1, 014000 AMD Ryzen 5 2400GE (AM4 35W), Intel Core i7-6700T, AMD Ryzen 5 3550U, 013500 AMD Ryzen 5 3500U (FP5 15W 4c8t), AMD Ryzen 3 4300U, AMD Athlon Gold 4150GE, AMD Ryzen 5 3450U, 013250 AMD Ryzen 3 3200GE (AM4 45W), AMD Ryzen 3 1300X (65W), AMD Ryzen 3 2200G, Xbox One Series S, 013000 AMD Ryzen Embedded V1605B (FP5 25W), AMD Ryzen 2700U, AMD Ryzen R2514, Apple A18, 012500 AMD Ryzen 5 2500U (FP5 25W 4c8t), Intel Core i3-8300T, Intel Xeon X5680, Intel i3-1115G4 (2c4t), 012300 Intel Core i7-8565U, Intel Core i5-8350U, Intel Core i7-8700, Allwinner A733 (2 A76, 6 A55), 012200 ARM Cortex-X3 Prime Snapdragon SD8G2 Gen2 4nm 64-bit Kryo CPU, i5-8250U (4c8t), 012000 AMD Ryzen 3 2200GE, AMD Ryzen 3 1200 (65W), AMD Ryzen 5 3500C, 011500 AMD Ryzen 3 3300U, Intel Core i3-8100T, Intel Core i5-8265U, Intel i5-10210U, CORE i5-10310U, 010500 AMD Ryzen 3 2300U (FP5 25W 4c4t), Allwinner A527 (8 A55), Intel i5 4690K, 010300 Intel Core i7-3630QM, Intel Core i5-6600T, Intel Core i5-4670K, 010200 Intel Core i5-6440HQ, Intel Core i7-3610QM, Snapdragon SD865, 010000 AMD FX-8320E (AM3+ 125W 8c8t), Intel Core i5-7500T, Intel Core i5-4690, Intel i5 4690T, 009000 Spectrum Unisoc Tiger T7280 (T620), Cortex-X2, MediaTek Dimensity 1300 (4 A78, 4 A55), 008700 AMD FX-6130 (AM3+ 90W 6c6t), Intel Core i5-7400T, Intel Core i5-4590T, 008500 Intel Core i5-6500T, AMD Athlon 300GE (AM4, 35W), AMD Athlon Gold 7220U, 008000 AMD Ryzen R1606G (FP5 15W), AMD FX-6300 (AM3 65W 6c6t), Intel Core i5-2500K, 007500 AMD Ryzen 3 3200U, AMD Ryzen 3 3250U, Intel Alderlake ULX N100 / N95, 007200 AMD Ryzen 3 2200U (FP5 25W 2c4t), Intel Core i3-7100T, Intel Twinlakes N150 N200, Xbox(TM) One S, 007100 AMD Ryzen R1505G (FP5, 15W), RK3576 4 A72, 4 A53, Snapdragon XR2 Gen 1, Intel i7-6600U and 7600U, 006600 Qualcomm Snapdragon 888 5G, AMD Athlon 300U (FP5 2c4t 15W), Intel Core i7-7500U, AMD V1202B, 006500 Intel Core i7-6500U, AMD Athlon Gold 3150U, Intel Celeron N5105 (FCBGA1338 15W), SD 685, 006300 Intel Core i3-8130U (15W), Intel Celeron N5095 (FCBGA1338 15W), Intel Core i3-6100T, 006100 Intel Core i5-6300U, Intel Core i5-7200U (2c4t), Intel i7-5500U, Intel Core i7-6600U (2c4t), 006000 Intel Core i5-6200U (2c4t), Intel Core i3-7130U, Intel i7-4500U, Qualcomm Snapdragon 888 4G, 005950 Intel Core i5-4570T, Intel Core i5-5257U, Rockchip RK3588 (4 A76, 4 A55), Snapdragon 7325, 005900 Intel Xeon X5550, Intel Core i5-4300M, MediaTek Dimensity 1200 (4 A78, 4 A55), Unisoc 7255 (T616), 005800 Intel Celeron J4125 J4105 (FCBGA1090 15W), Intel Core i5-3470T, AMD A8-6600K APU, AMD 3015E (2c4t), 005600 Intel Core i5-3360M, Intel Core i7-3520M, Intel Core i5-4210M, Intel Pentium G4600T, 005400 MediaTek Dimensity 900 (2 A78, 6 A55), AMD Athlon Silver 7120U, Snapdragon 860, 005300 AMD PRO A12-9800B 7th Gen APU (FP4 15W), AMD FX-4300 4c4t, AMD Ryzen R1305G, 005250 Intel Core i5-3230M, AMD FX-7600P, Intel Pentium G4400, Unisoc T7200 (Unisoc T606 2 A76, 6 A55), 005200 AMD PRO A10-8770E, AMD A10-9700E, AMD PRO A10-9700B (FP4 15W), Intel Core i3-4130T, 005100 AMD RX-427BB (FP3 15W), AMD A10-9620P, AMD A12-9720P, Intel Core i3-8145U, AMD A12-9830B, 005050 AMD A8-5500 (FM2 65W), AMD A10 PRO-7800B APU, Intel Pentium Silver N5000, Intel Core i7-5500U, 005000 Intel Core i5-5300U, Intel Core i5-3320M (2c4t), Intel Core i5-5350U, Unisoc T618 (2 A73 6 A53), 004900 Intel Core i5-4300U, Intel Core i5-5200U, Intel Core i3-4100M, Snapdragon 662 (SM6115), 004860 Intel Core i7-2620M, Intel Core i7-2640M, AMD Athlon Silver 3050U 3050e, Intel i3-7020U, 004650 Intel Core i5-2520M (2c4t), Intel Core i5-3210M, AMD A10-9600P (FP4 4c 15W), Pentium 4415U, 004625 Intel Core i3-7100U (FCBGA1356 15W), ARM A76 RK3588S, AMD A10-6800B APU, 004600 AMD PRO A8-9600B, AMD PRO A12-8830B, AMD PRO A10-8730B, AMD A12-9700P, Intel Core i3-6100U, 004200 AMD A10-8700P A8-8600P, Intel Core i5-4200U, Intel Core i5-2540M, Intel i3-6006U, Intel i3-4150T, 004000 Intel Core i5-2430M, AMD PRO A8-8600B, AMD 3020e, Mediatek MT6797 Helio X20, 003850 Intel Core i5-2410M (2c4t), Intel Core i3-2120 (LGA1155 65W), Mediatek MT8786, 003800 AMD A10-4600M APU, AMD A10 PRO-7350B APU, AMD A10-5750M APU, Rockchip RK3399, 003600 AMD A8-6500T APU, AMD A8-7410 APU, AMD PRO A6-8550B, AMD A8-5550M (4c4t), 003500 AMD GX-424CC SOC (FT3b 25W 4c4t), ARM A75 Unisoc Tiger T610 (Spreadtrum) (8c 5W), intel i5-5250u, 003400 AMD A10-7300 APU, AMD A6-7310 APU, AMD A8-6410, AMD A10-5745M APU, Intel Core i3-4000M, 003350 Intel Pentium G2020, Intel Core i3-3120M (G2 2c4t), AMD R-464L APU, Intel® Core m5-6Y57 (2c4t), 003300 AMD GX-420CA SOC (FT3 BGA769 25W), AMD A6-9500E, Intel Celeron N4200, AMD A6-5200 ( 25W 2c2t), 003200 AMD A6-6310 APU, AMD A6-6400B APU, AMD A6-8570E, AMD A8-4500M APU, AMD A6-7400K APU, 003000 AMD A8-7150B, AMD A9-9410, A9-9420, A9-9425, AMD A6-8500B (FP4 15W), AMD A8-7100, Intel 5010u, 002900 AMD PRO A6-8530B, AMD A6-8500P, AMD A8-3500M APU, Intel Core i3-2120T, Intel i5-4250u, 002700 AMD Embedded GX-420GI (FP4 15W), AMD PRO A6-9500B, AMD GX-415GA, AMD A4-6210 APU, Intel i3-5005U, 002600 AMD A6-9225, AMD A8-4555M APU, AMD A4-5000 APU (FT3 15W), AMD A6-9220, AMD A6-3420M APU, 002450 Intel Celeron 2950M, Intel Pentium N3700, Intel Core i3-2350M, Allwinner A523 (8 A55), BCM2711, 002400 Intel Celeron N3150, Intel Core i3-2330M, Intel Xeon W3505, AMD A6-9210, Allwinner H618 (4 A53), 002300 Intel Celeron N3350, AMD A4-9120, AMD A4-9125, Intel Core i3-2310M, Intel Celeron 3865U, 002200 AMD A9-9420e, AMD A6-5350M APU, AMD E2-6110 APU, AMD E2-9000e, Celeron N4500, Intel N3710, 002000 AMD GX-412HC, AMD A4-4300M APU, AMD A6 PRO-7050B APU, AMD A6-4400M APU, AMD A6-7000, 001925 Intel Core2 Duo E6700, Intel Pentium Extreme Edition 965, Intel Core i3-370M, Celeron N4020, 001750 Intel Core i3-2365M 2375M, AMD A4-9120C, Intel Core2 Duo T8300, Qualcomm MSM8939, 001600 AMD GX-222GC (BGA769 FT3b 15W), AMD A4-9120e, AMD Embedded GX-215JJ, AMD A4-4355M APU, 001550 Intel Core2 Duo SL9400 T7600 T6600, AMD E2-3200, AMD A6-9220e, Mediatek MT8783, AMD E2-3800, 001520 Intel Celeron N4000, 001500 AMD GX-218GL SOC, AMD A6-4455M, AMD A4-5150M APU, ARM A55 RK3566 (4c 3W), Intel Core2 Duo T8100, 001400 AMD GX-217GA SOC, ARM Cortex-A53 4c4t H700, AMD A4-3300M APU, Allwinner A133P A64 (4 A53), 001300 AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-64 TL-62, Intel Core2 Duo T7300, Intel Core2 Duo T5600, AMD RX-216TD, 001250 AMD GX-412TC SOC, AMD A4-3320M APU, AMD Athlon 64 X2 QL-66, Intel Core2 Duo T7200, BCM2837, 001200 AMD Athlon 64 X2 2c TK-57, AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-60 RM-74, AMD E1-2500, AMD E2-7015, 001150 Intel Core2 Duo T5550, Intel Core2 Duo L7500, AMD E2-3000M APU, ARM A35 RK3266, AMD E2-7110, 001100 Intel Core2 Duo T5300, AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800, Intel Core2 Duo E4300, Mediatek MT8127, 001050 AMD E1-6010 APU, Intel Pentium T4300, Intel Celeron N2840, 001050 AMD Athlon 64 FX-57, AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual-Core TK-55, AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-52 001000 Intel Core2 Duo T5500, Intel Core2 Duo L7300, Intel Core2 Duo SU9400, Intel Celeron 3215U, 000950 AMD G-T56N, AMD Athlon 64 3100+, AMD E2-2000 APU, QorIQ T1042 quad-core, 000950 AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-50, AMD E1-2200 APU, Intel Celeron U3400, 000925 AMD TurionX2 Dual Core Mobile RM-72, AMD Sempron 140 000920 Intel Celeron SU2300, Intel Core2 Duo T5200, AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-56 000890 AMD E2-1800 APU, AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-58 000880 AMD G-T56E, AMD G-T48E, 000860 AMD E-450 APU, AMD E-350 APU, AMD Athlon LE-1620 000820 AMD A4-1250 APU, AMD Athlon LE-1600, 000810 AMD E1-2100 APU, Intel Core Duo T2500, 000810 Intel Atom D510, Intel Core2 Duo U7500, 000800 AMD Geode NX 2400+, AMD Turion 64 Mobile ML-42, AMD Athlon II Neo K325, 000760 AMD V140, AMD E1-1200 APU, AMD Athlon 64 3300+, 000730 Intel Core Duo T2400, AMD Turion 64 Mobile MK-38, AMD Sempron 3600+, 000700 Intel Core2 Duo U7600 U7700, AMD Sempron LE-1200, AMD V120 000680 AMD GX-212JC SOC, AMD E-300 APU, AMD A4-1200 APU, BCM2386, 000670 AMD Turion 64 Mobile MK-36 ML-37 ML-40, Mobile AMD Sempron 3800+ 000640 Intel Atom N2600, Intel Atom N570, Mobile AMD Athlon 64 3200+ 000640 Intel Core Duo T2300, Intel Core Duo T2050, 000630 VIA Eden X2 U4200, AMD Sempron LE-1100, AMD Sempron 3100+ 3600+, 000620 AMD C-70 C70 APU, Intel Atom 330, AMD G-T40N, AMD Athlon Neo MV-40, 000610 Intel Core2 Duo U7300, AMD Athlon II Neo K125 K145, 000600 Intel Atom N550, Intel Pentium 4, AMD Athlon 64 2800+, 000580 AMD C-60 C60, AMD G-T40E, AMD Sempron LE-1250 000530 AMD C-50 C50, Intel Celeron M 723, AMD Sempron 210U, 000490 AMD GX-210JA SOC, PowerPC 970 G5 IBM's 970 server CPU (2c), QorIQ T1022 000470 Mobile AMD Sempron 3500+, Mobile AMD Athlon XP-M 2200+, 000460 AMD Athlon XP 2500+, AMD Sempron 3500+, Mobile Intel Pentium 4, 000440 Intel Atom D425, Intel Atom N470, POWER 4 PPC, 000410 Intel Pentium M, Intel Celeron M, AMD Sempron 2300+ 000400 Intel Atom N450, AMD Sempron 2400+, 000340 Intel Atom D410, AMD G-T52R, AMD C-30, AMD Sempron 2200+ 000330 Intel Atom N455, Intel Atom N280, Intel Atom N270 (1c1t 2W), Intel P3, 000320 Freescale NXP QorIQ P1022 000310 PowerPC G4 7447 1Ghz (1c1t 15W), PPC440 core, 000230 PowerPC PPC G3/PPC 750, 000160 Pentium II, Motorola 68060 000080 Intel 80486, Motorola 68030, 000040 Intel 80386, 000030 Motorola 68020 000008 Motorola 68000 </pre> === Recommended hardware (32-bit) === [[#top|...to the top]] Recommended hardware is hardware that has been tested with latest release of AROS and is relatively easy to purchase second hand (ie. ebay). This hardware also comes with commitment that compatibility will be maintained with each future release. If in future decision will be made to drop any of the recommended hardware from the list (for example due to it no longer being available for purchase), such hardware will move to list of legacy supported systems and will have an indicated end of life date so that users have time to switch to other hardware. {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" | <!--OK-->{{Yes|'''Works well'''}} || <!--Not working-->{{No|'''Does not work'''}} || <!--Not applicable-->{{N/A|'''N/A not applicable'''}} |- |} ==== Virtual Hardware ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | VirtualBox 7.x (Other/Unknown template) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VMWARESVGA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}} || {{Yes|PCNET32<br/>E1000}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || <!--Comments--> |- | VMware 16+ (Other32 template) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VMWARESVGA}} || {{Yes|SB128}} || {{Yes|PCNET32}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || <!--Comments--> |- | QEMU 8.x ("pc" and "q35" machines) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|SB128}} || {{Yes|PCNET32}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || <!--Comments--> |- |} ==== Laptops ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | ACER Aspire One ZG5 || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(IDE)}} || {{Yes|GMA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}} || {{Yes|RTL8169}} || {{Yes|ATHEROS}} || NOT APPLICABLE || <!--Comments--> |- | Dell Latitude D520 || {{Yes|IDE}} || {{Yes|GMA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}} || {{Yes|BCM4400}} || {{No|}} || {{Yes|Atheros AR5BXB63}} || * select Intel Core 2 64-bit version, not Celeron 32-bit version <br/> * replace WiFi card to get wireless working |- |} ==== Desktop Systems ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | Fujitsu Futro S720 || {{Yes|SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}} || {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || * no 2D/3D acceleration<br/> * use USB ports at back |- |} ==== Motherboards ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | ASUS P8Z68V LX || {{Yes|SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|GeForce 8xxx/9xxx}} || * add external PCIe video card for better performance |- | Gigabyte GA-MA770T UD3/UD3P || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|GeForce 8xxx/9xxx}} || * requires external PCIe video card |- | ASUS M2N68-AM SE2 || {{Yes|IDE}} || {{Yes|NVIDIA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|NVNET}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|GeForce 8xxx/9xxx}} || * connecting a disk via SATA connector is not supported at this time <br/> * add external PCIe video card for better performance |- | Gigabyte GA-H55M-S2H || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|GeForce 8xxx/9xxx}} || * add external PCIe video card for better performance |- |} ==== Legacy supported hardware ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="10%" |EOL ! width="35%" |Comments |- | iMica || {{Yes|IDE}} || {{Yes|GMA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || 2026-12-31 || |- | Gigabyte GA-MA770 UD3 || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(IDE)}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|GeForce 8xxx/9xxx}} || 2026-12-31 || * requires external PCIe video card |- |} === Recommended hardware (64-bit) === [[#top|...to the top]] Recommended hardware is hardware that has been tested with latest release of AROS and is relatively easy to purchase second hand (ie. ebay). This hardware also comes with commitment that compatibility will be maintained with each future release. ==== Virtual Hardware ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | VirtualBox 7.x (Other/Unknown (64-bit) template) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VMWARESVGA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}} || {{Yes|PCNET32<br/>E1000}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || * No accelerated 3D support |- | VMware 16+ (Other64 template) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VMWARESVGA}} || {{Yes|SB128}} || {{Yes|E1000}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || * No accelerated 3D support |- | QEMU 8.x ("pc" and "q35" machines) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VMWARESVGA}} || {{Yes|SB128}} || {{Yes|PCNET32}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || * No accelerated 3D support |- |} ==== Motherboards ==== AROS 64-bit will work on most of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGA_1155 LGA 1155] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGA_1150 LGA 1150] boards. It will also work with newer hardware - see complete HCL list above. Boards below are '''certified'''. If you can't get the exact board, try a variant of that board with the same chipset. {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | ASUS P8Z68V LX<br>ASUS P8Z68-M PRO || {{Yes|SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|GeForce GTX 7xx/9xx}} || * add external PCIe video card for better performance |- | ASUS H81M-K || {{Yes|SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} |NOT APPLICABLE|| {{Yes|GeForce GTX 7xx/9xx}} |* add external PCIe video card for better performance |- | Gigabyte GA-H81M-S2V || {{Yes|SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} |NOT APPLICABLE|| {{Yes|GeForce GTX 7xx/9xx}} |* add external PCIe video card for better performance |} ==References== [[#top|...to the top]] {{reflist}} {{BookCat}} 7f1pl2i9afjhfw0kq5y8j0secem429q 4671604 4671603 2026-09-21T13:52:54Z Jeff1138 301139 4671604 wikitext text/x-wiki {{ArosNav}} ==Introduction== This a list of computer hardware tested with mostly native AROS installs and, in the recommended sections, of virtual machines With 64bit support it is recommended 8Gb ram is needed and that SSE 4.1 and AVX are supported in the CPU i.e. from year 2012 for Intel CPUs and 2013 for AMD CPUs. They are x86-64 instruction sets designed to perform the same operations on multiple data items simultaneously, a technique known as Single Instruction, Multiple Data (SIMD). This allows for increased performance in tasks involving parallel computation. SSE 4.1 is a 128-bit SIMD instruction set, while AVX introduced 256-bit SIMD, further enhancing performance. Some apps require these features to run well, like 3D, multimedia decoding or JIT (javascript) in Odyssey web browser. If not the apps may work slower or might fail. If you have encountered differently (i.e. problems, incompatibilities, faults, annoyances, environment, errors, review of setup etc) please update this information. Please bear in mind that AROS has only a few hardware driver developers, whilst Linux counts in the tens and Windows in the hundreds. [[#Laptops]] [[#Netbook]] [[#Desktop Systems]] [[#AMD Sockets]] [[#Intel Sockets]] [[#Recommended hardware (32-bit)]] [[#Recommended hardware (64-bit)]] === Laptops === [[#top|...to the top]] * 2006/2007 Dell Latitude D-series laptops - business class machines, good support in Aros, easy to replace wifi card * 2006 some [https://www.techradar.com/reviews/pc-mac/laptops-portable-pcs/laptops-and-netbooks/toshiba-satellite-pro-a200-28550/review Satellite Pro A200] * 2008 For the tiny carry anywhere, the early run of Acer Aspire netbooks Rough estimate from taking a random laptop notebook what you can expect from a Native install of AROS {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Date ! width="5%" |Overall ! width="5%" |Gfx VESA ! width="5%" |Gfx 2D Acceleration ! width="10%" |Gfx 3D Acceleration ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="20%" |Comments |- | Before 2002 || Poor to OK || VESA 90% || 2D 10% || {{N/A}} || Audio 10% || 40% || Wired 70% || 2% || Max RAM 512MB |- | 2002-2005 || OK || VESA 95% || 2D 10% || 3D 0% || Audio 30% || 70% || Wired 50% || 10% || Max RAM 2GB (for 32bit) |- | 2005-2012 || Good || VESA 98% || 2D 60% || 3D 30% || Audio 40% || 80% || Wired 30% || 10% || Max RAM 3Gb (32bit) to 8GB (64bit) |- | 2013-2017 || OK || VESA 98% || 2D 60% || 3D 30% || Audio 30% || 60% || Wired 30% Realtek || 0% || Max RAM 8GB / 16GB better to go Intel / AMD Ryzen over AMD A series |- | 2018-2024 || OK || VESA 98% || 2D 30% || 3D 30% || Audio 40% || 50% || Wired 30% Realtek || 0% || Max RAM 32GB better 64bit options |- | 2025-202x || Poor || VESA 95% || 2D 10% || 3D 10% || Audio 0% || 30% || Wired 10% || 0% || Max RAM 64GB AI disruption of previous hardware |- |} 3D tests now conducted with apps found in Demos/AROS/Mesa and run at default size (may need to View As -> Show All to see them. Any laptop with Windows 7(TM) 64bit or higher install, the bios and hard drive set in uefi/gpt mode (install of AROS incompatible) Most vendor suppliers get OEM (original equipment manufacturers) to make their laptops. These brand name companies purchase their laptops from *80% ODM (Original Design Manufacturer) such as Quanta, Compal, Wistron, Inventec, Foxconn (Hon Hai), Flextronics and Asus (now Pegatron) *20% MiTAC, FIC, Arima, Uniwill, ECS, Tonfang Origin and Clevo {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" | <!--OK-->{{Yes|'''Works well'''}} || <!--May work-->{{Maybe|'''Works a little'''}} || <!--Not working-->{{No|'''Does not work'''}} || <!--Not applicable-->{{N/A|'''N/A not applicable'''}} |- |} ====Acer/Gateway/Emachines==== Company founded under the name of Multitech in Taiwan in 1976, renamed to Acer or Acer Group in 1987 Order of build quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > Packard Bell Aspire Extensa TimeLine Travelmate </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="2%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Travelmate 505 506 507 508 Series || <!--Chipset-->P2 Celeron 466Mhz || <!--IDE-->{{Yes|boots}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Neo Magic Magic Graph 128XD (NM2160)}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 Crystal CS}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1998 minimal support but no audio etc - 506T, 506DX, 507T, 507DX, 508T |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 340 342 343 345 347 || <!--Chipset-->ALi M1621 with piii || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Trident Cyber 9525 || <!--Audio-->{{No|ESS ES1969 Solo-1}} || <!--USB-->2 ALi OHCI USB 1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->a few have Intel e100 || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2000 32bit - 340T, 341T, 342T, 342TV, 343TV, 345T, 347TV |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 350 351 352 353 || <!--Chipset-->Ali with piii || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->Trident Cyber Blade DSTN/Ai1 || <!--Audio-->{{No|ali5451}} || <!--USB-->2 USB 1.1 Ali M5237 OHCI || <!--Ethernet-->e100 || <!--Wireless-->Acer InviLink IEEE 802.11b || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2001 32bit very limited support but no support for PCMCIA O2 Micro OZ6933 - 350T, 351TEV, 352TEV, 353TEV |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 610 series 611 612 613 614 || <!--Chipset-->815 P3 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->Intel 82815 cgc || <!--Audio-->AC97 || <!--USB-->USB 1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->Intel e100 pro || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2001 32bit - 610TXVi 610T 611TXV 612TX 613TXC |- | Aspire 3003LM || SIS AMD 3000 1.8GHz || {{yes}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SIS AGP M760GX (VESA only)}} || {{yes|AC97 SIS codec}} || 3 USB 2.0 || {{yes|SIS900}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4318 AirForce One 54g}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2003 sempron |- | Travelmate 2310 Series ZL6 || Intel Celeron M 360 1.4GHz with SiS 661MX || {{yes}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SiS Mirage M661MX (VESA only)}} || {{yes|SIS SI7012 AC97 with realtek ALC203 codec speakers only}} || || {{yes|SIS900}} || {{N/A|LM version has pci card slot but no antenna}} || 2017 Icaros 2.1.1 || 2004 32bit - No USB boot option but boot from DVD - reports of wifi losing connection (isolate/remove the metallic grounding foil ends of the antennas) - 2312LM_L - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 3000 3002LMi 3500 5000 || <!--Chipset-->AMD CPU W-with SIS M760 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->SIS 760 || <!--Audio-->SIS || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->SIS 900 || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4318 swap for Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 3050 5020 5050 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Single and Turion MK-36 Dual and RS480 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA - RS482M Xpress 1100 or RS485M Xpress 1150 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio Realtek ALC883 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->8139 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5006G or Broadcom BCM 4318 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit MK36 gets very hot |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 2410 2420 2430 series || <!--Chipset-->915GM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel Mobile 915GMS 910GML || <!--Audio-->Intel AC97 ICH6 with ALC203 codec || <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL-8139 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5005GS || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 2428AWXMi - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire 3610 - WISTRON MORAR 3614WLMI || <!--Chipset-->Intel 915 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 2D and 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|[http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=644066&postcount=13 AC97]}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL 8139 8139C+}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Atheros AR5001X+, AR5BMB5 or Broadcom 4318}} || <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.2.4 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit with good support [http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6205188#post6205188 wifi issues] |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 2480 series 2483 WXMi (HannStar J MV4 94V) 2483NWXCi Aspire 3680, 3690 || <!--Chipset-->940GML i943 with Celeron 430 1.77GHz - 14.1" || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D and 3D openGL 1.x - Tunnel 181 gearbox 104 scores}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with ALC883 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|3 USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8038 yukon sky2}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros 5k AR5005G AR5BMB5 mini pci}} suspect laptop hardware issues || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2006 Works well shame about the internet options - noisy fan - poor battery life - no boot option for TI based mass storage sd card - Max 2GB memory - LCD Inverter Board IV12090/T-LF - |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 2490 series 2492WXMi || <!--Chipset-->940GML || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel 945 2D and 3D tunnel 164 gearbox 105}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom BCM4401}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros AR5005GS suspect hardware issue}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit - 15inch screen - strange curved up at ends keyboard style - overall plastic construction - Atheros AR5005G(s) - |- | <!--Name-->Gateway ML6227B MA7 || <!--Chipset-->Celeron M 520 1.6Ghz with 945GM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|945GM 2D and 3D tunnel 169 gearbox 132}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDA Intel with STAC9250 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8038}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|8187L but swap ath5k mini pcie}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2006 15.4 ultrabrite widescreen - Wifi Switch on side Fn/F2 - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire 5630-6796 6288 BL50 || <!--Chipset-->T5200 T5500 Intel® Core™2 Duo T7200 T7400 T7600 || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel® GMA 950 with S-Video out with 2D and 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio with ALC883? codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|4 USB}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Broadcom BCM4401}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945abg swap for Atheros 5K}} || <!--Test Distro-->Tiny AROS || <!--Comments-->2006 - 64bit 39.1 cm (15.4" 1280 x 800) - 2 DDR2-SDRAM slots max 4GB - green mobo?? - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire 5633WMLI BL51 || <!--Chipset-->T5500 with Intel® 945PM/GM Express || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Nvidia Go 7300 with 2D and 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with Realtek codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Broadcom 440x}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 swap for Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->Tiny Aros || <!--Comments-->2007 64 bit dual core2 - 15.4 WXGA screen - ddr2 max 4gb - OrbiCam no support - ENE chipset SD card - blue mobo?? - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire 9410 9420 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core Duo with 945PM Express || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D NVIDIA GeForce Go 7300 - 128 MB VRAM G72M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Intel HD audio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 8111 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945ABG but could swap with atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 || <!--Comments-->2007 32bit - 17in TFT 1,440 x 900 WXGA+ - 2 ddr2 sodimm slots max 4gb - |- | <!--Name-->eMachines E510 series KAL10 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Celeron M 560 2.13Ghz with PM965 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel x3100 || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Intel with codec}} || <!--USB-->Intel || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5906M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros G AR5BXB63 bios issue??}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2007 32bit very budget machine with InsydeH20 bios and F10 boot menu |- | <!--Name-->ACER Aspire 5920 [http://tim.id.au/laptops/acer/aspire%205920g.pdf 5920G] || <!--Chipset-->Santa Rosa Core 2 Duo T7300 T7500 later T9300 with GM965 and PM965(G) Express || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA for X3100M or 8600M GS (rev a1) 9500M GT 256MB vram (G) but some AMD/ATI RV635 M86 HD 3650}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio with realtek alc268, [https://forums.opensuse.org/t/no-sound-on-acer-aspire-5920g/32392 ALC883] or Realtek ALC1200 / alc888s codec ICH8}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB2 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5787M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Intel 3945ABG 4965 or Atheros 9k AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwood test iso 2023-01 2023-11 || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit boot with 'noacpi' or 'noioapic' - 15.4in 1280 x 800 pixels 16:10 - BMW Designworks ‘Gemstone’ design - over 3.0kg with options for 8-cell or 6-cell batteries - 2 SODIMM DDR2 667MT/s max 4GB - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->Acer A0521 Ao721 || Athlon II Neo K125 + AMD M880G || {{N/A}} || {{maybe| }} || {{maybe|ATI Radeon HD 4225 (VESA only)}} || {{No|Conexant}} || {{Maybe| }} || {{no|AR8152 l1c}} || {{unk|AR9285 ath9k}} || AspireOS 1.7 || 2006 64bit possible |- | <!--Name--> Extensa 5630Z || <!--Chipset-->T6600 with Intel GL40 Express || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx--> {{Yes|Intel GMA 4500M HD (2D)}} || <!--Audio--> {{Yes|HD Audio}} || <!--USB--> {{Yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet--> {{No|Broadcom BCM 5764M}} || <!--Wireless--> {{No|RaLink RT2860}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit |- |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 5250 series 5253 BZ400 BZ602 || <!--Chipset-->E350 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{no|VESA 2D for AMD HD6310}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDaudio for codec Conexant CX20584}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Atheros AR8151}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Atheros 9k AR5B97}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire V5 V5-121 V5121 AO725 One 725 || <!--Chipset-->AMD C-70 C70 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{no|VESA for AMD 6290G}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|Realtek ALC269 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|2 x USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire V5-122P MS2377 || <!--Chipset-->C-70 C70 with M55, AMD A4-1250 or A6 1450 up to 1.4Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->AMD 8210 || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|FCH USB EHCI OHCI}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|rtl8169 but LAN/VGA Combo Port Cable (AK.LAVGCA 001) or MiniCP port to Acer Converter Cable (Mini CP to VGA/LAN/USB) (NP.OTH11 00C) needed}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros 9k AR9565}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aros One || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit but no sse4 or avx - 26w battery internal, extension possible - 11.6in 1366 x 768 ips touchscreen - 7mm hd ssd - 2gb ddr3l soldered with 1 slot free max 4GB - bios hacking needed for virtualisation - |- | <!--Name-->Packard Bell EasyNote TE69 TE69KB 522 || <!--Chipset-->slow E1-2500, E2-3800 2c2t Dual or A4-5000 4c4t Quad both soldered BGA769 (FT3) on Hudson-2 FCH || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|Use IDE mode}} setting AHCI to IDE mode - boots if UEFI set to Legacy || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for ATI Radeon 8120 8240, 8320, 8330 or 8280 islands}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio with ALC282 0x10ec, 0x0282 codec but not HDMI}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|Bios, Boot, set Boot mode to Legacy, nothing from USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros AR8171 AR8175 or Broadcom BCM57780}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9565 0x1969 0x10a1}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aspire OS Xenon and AROS One 1.6 usb || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit with sse4.1 and AVX - 15.6in washed out screen big netbook - Boots with noacpi after using F2 to enter EFI firmware and f12 boot device - 2 ddr3 sodimm slots max 16Gb - |- | <!--Name-->ASPIRE Acer Aspire ES1-520 521 522 Series N15C4 ES1-523 || <!--Chipset-->AMD AMD E1-7010, A8-7410 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|VESA for RADEON R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|Realtek ALC 233 or CX20752 HD AUDIO CODEC}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Atheros AR8151 Gigabit or Broadcom 590x}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek RTL8187 or 8812BU}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aros One || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit with sse4.1 and AVX - 2 ddr3l slots - keyboard connected to top case - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire V15 NITRO Black edition || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GTX 860M || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Predator 15 (G9-591-) (G9-593-72VT) || <!--Chipset-->Intel i7-6700HQ || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->GTX 960M to 980M, GTX 1060 || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek ALC255 @ Intel Sunrise Point PCH High Definition Audio Controller}} || <!--USB-->USB3 || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Nitro 5 an515-42 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 2500u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD rx560x || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->aspire 3 A315-41 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 2500u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD Vega || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->swift 3 sf315-41 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 2500u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD Vega || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire 3 A315-23 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3020e, r3 3200u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 3, 5 A515-44-R0ZN || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 4500u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with ALC codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 14in or 15.6" 1080p - 19v round charging - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr0tC3QJWxk repair], 4gb soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - |- | <!--Name-->Swift 3 SF314-42 series N19C4 , Swift SF315-4 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 5 4500U, 7 4700U|| <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit 1080p - small round ac 19v 3.42A or usb-c - mobo FH4FR LA-J731P - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Swift 3 SF314-43, Swift SF315-41 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 7 5700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit 1080p - small round ac or usb-c - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 5 A515-45 || <!--Chipset-->r7 5700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 15.6in 1080p - asus round ac - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 5 A515-47 || <!--Chipset-->ryzen 5 5625U, || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 15.6in 1080p - asus round ac - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Asus==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Asus L8400-K Medion MD9467 || <!--Chipset-->Intel desktop 850MHz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->S3 Savage MX || <!--Audio-->{{No|ESS allegro 1988}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2001 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Asus L2000 L2400 L2D Series Medion 9675 || <!--Chipset-->Athlon 4 mobile || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use vesa sis630 || <!--Audio-->{{No|sis7018}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->sis900 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->x51R X51RL || <!--Chipset-->Duo T2250 T2330 with RS480 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA RC410 [Radeon Xpress 200M]}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|boots and detects}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL-8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros AR5006EG AR5111 ath5k AzureWave AW-GE780 - could be ATI Chipset}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.2, deadwood 2021, || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit 15.4 WXGA - 19v barrel - ESC boot select - F2 bios - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Asus R2H Ultra Mobile PC UMPC || <!--Chipset-->Celeron 900Mhz 910GML || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA900 || <!--Audio-->Ac97 ALC880 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8169 8101e || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm4fOrqyj3g boots] |- | <!--Name-->Asus A3 series A3F Ergo Ensis 211 RM || <!--Chipset-->P-M 1.6GHz to Core Duo with 950 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 945 || <!--Audio-->Ac97 ALC655 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8100CL 10/100 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit only |- | <!--Name-->Z33 || <!--Chipset-->915 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->915GM || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC880 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Intel 2915ABG || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit Z33A Z33AE N5M N5A |- | Z70A Z70V Z70Va M6A z7000 z7000a || i915 + ICH6 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|mobile 915GML}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|ICH6 HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Marvell 88E8001}} || {{no|Intel PRO 2200BG Fn / F2}} || Icaros 1.3 || 2005 32bit |- | [http://www.progweb.com/en/2010/09/linux-sur-un-portable-asus-a6jm/ A6jm] A6JC || 945GM || IDE || SATA || {{yes|nVidia GeForce Go 7600 G70}} || {{no|HD Audio}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|RTL8111 8168B}} || {{no|Intel 3945 ABG}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2006 32bit only |- | <!--Name-->F3Jc || <!--Chipset-->945PM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->G72M Quadro NVS 110M, GeForce Go 7300 || <!--Audio-->D audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8169 8111 || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->X50GL F5GL || <!--Chipset-->T5800 with 965 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA 2d - Nvidia 8200M G84 runs hot}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio MCP79 with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|MCP79}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros AR5B91 AW-NE77}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.2 || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit not much support no display with nouveau - 19v barrel - ddr2 max 4gb - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS G50 & G51 series G50V G50Vt G51V G51VX G51J G51Jx G50VT X1 X5 ROG || <!--Chipset-->AMD64 with MCP71 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes}} || <!--Gfx-->nVidia GeForce 9800M GS (G94M) up to GT200 [GeForce GTX 260M] (G92M) || <!--Audio-->Nvidia HD Audio with codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros L1C atl1c}} || <!--Wireless-->Atheros G or Intel || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit not all GPUs are failing but a much higher % failing early, 8x00 and 9x00 G84, G86, G92, G94, and G96 series chips dying - ddr2 max 4gb - |- | <!--Name-->M50V M50 series || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core 2 Duo P8400 or T9400 with Intel PM45 ICH9 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|BIOS set to compatibility IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA GeForce 9600M GS or 9650M GT || <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC663 || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 realtek 8169 8111C}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Intel 5100 or Atheros AR928X}}|| <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 2.0 USB || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - 15.40 inch 16:10, 1680 x 1050 glossy - the "Infusion" design - heavy 3kg - ddr2 ram max 4gb - |- | <!--Name-->Series F9 F9E F9dc F9f F9j F9s || <!--Chipset-->965GM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio ALC660 playback}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|works}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|intel 3495 not working}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.41 || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - ddr2 max 4gb - |- | P52F SO006X || i3-370M || IDE || SATA || {{yes|nVidia G92 [GeForce 9800 GT] (2D)}} || {{no|Intel HD Audio}} || {{yes|2 USB2.0}} || {{no|Atheros AR8121 AR8113 AR8114 (l1e)}} || {{dunno}} || Icaros 1.3 || 2010 64bit - ddr3 slot - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Asus * X53U MB Ver K53U or K52U Asus K53U MB Ver K53U * A53U XT2 X53B MB ver: K53BY (compal) || <!--Chipset-->Slow atom like speed E-350 (2011), E-450 (2011) on AMD M780G, much slower C-50 C50 (2012), C-60 C60 on the AMD A50M dark brown plastic build || <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|Set IN Bios IDE MODE}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA ATi 6310M, 6320M later 6250M or 6290M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with alc269 codec Altec Lansing® Speakers}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|3 x USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Unk|rtl8169 with RTL8111 phy}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros half height ar9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.2 and 2018 AROS One 1.6 USB || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 15.6in 1368 x 768 dull 50% srgb screen - f2 bios setup, esc boot drive - 5200 or 7800 mAh battery covers ASUS K53S K53E X54C X53S K84L X53SV X54HR K53F X53U laptops - 2 DDR3L slots max 8Gb - 19v barrel 5.5 / 2.5 mm - |- | <!--Name-->Asus K53T, Asus A53Z X53Z || <!--Chipset-->AMD A4-3305M on AMD M780G, A6-3420M dark brown plastic build || <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|Set IN Bios IDE MODE}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD 6520G, 7670M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|3 x USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 with RTL8111 phy}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros half height}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One USB || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 15.6in 1368 x 768 dull 50% srgb screen - f2 bios setup, esc boot drive - 2 DDR3L slots max 8Gb - 19v barrel 5.5 / 2.5 mm - Altec Lansing® Speakers - |- | <!--Name-->X55U X401U X501U 1225B || <!--Chipset-->slow C-60 C60, C-70 C70 or E1 1200 E2 1800 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->6290G || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111 8169 || <!--Wireless-->{{unk| Atheros AR9485}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 11.6" display - ram soldered - |- | <!--Name-->Asus A43TA A53TA K53TA XE2 A73T || <!--Chipset-->AMD A4-3300M, A6 3400M (laptop chip) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|Set IN Bios IDE MODE}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA AMD Radeon HD 6520G Integrated + HD 6470M (1GB GDDR3)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Unk|}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - f2 bios setup, esc boot drive - |- | <!--Name-->X102BA || <!--Chipset-->Llano E1 1200 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|ide bios setting}} || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 8180 || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->RTL8101E RTL8102E || <!--Wireless-->{{unk| Qualcomm Atheros AR9485}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 10.1” Touchscreen - special asus 45w ac adapter - |- | <!--Name-->K55N, K75DE || <!--Chipset-->AMD a6 4400M A8 4500M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->AMD 7640G || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC codec none through ATi Trinity HDMI || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 || <!--Wireless-->{{unk| Atheros AR9485}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 17.3-inch - |- | <!--Name-->X452EA X552EA F552E || <!--Chipset-->AMD E1 2100 or A4 5000M A8 4500M A10 4600M with A || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA for AMD ATI Sun XT Radeon HD 8330 8670A 8670M 8690M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AMD FCH Azalia rev 02 with ALC898 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{{Yes|Realtek RTL8111 8168 8411}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9485}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1 || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit may support avx kabini trinity - |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG G751GY || <!--Chipset-->Intel i7-4720HQ || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->GTX 980M || <!--Audio-->HDAudio || <!--USB-->USB3 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG G752VY || <!--Chipset-->Intel i7-6700HQ || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->GTX 980M || <!--Audio-->HDAudio || <!--USB-->USB3 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Asus X555Y || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-7210 A8-7410 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2.5" and mSATA form factors using SATA Rev 3.0 interface }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|rtl8169 Realtek}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }}Realtek || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 4gb soldered with 1 ddr3 slot - silver-colored plastic - internal battery - |- | <!--Name-->Asus X555B X555DG X555S X555U X555YI X555LAB || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core i5-4210U to || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2.5" and mSATA form factors using SATA Rev 3.0 interface }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Intel}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with coxenant and realtek alc codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }}Realtek || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 4gb soldered with 1 ddr3 slot - silver-colored plastic - internal battery - |- | <!--Name-->Asus X555D || <!--Chipset-->AMD A10-8700P || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{unk|2.5" and mSATA form factors using SATA Rev 3.0 interface }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD R6}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 15.6in 1366 x 768 - 4gb soldered with 1 ddr3 slot - silver-coloured plastic - internal battery - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS X555Q || <!--Chipset-->AMD® Bristol Ridge A10-9600P 7th Gen, A12-9720p || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2.5" and mSATA form factors using SATA Rev 3.0 interface}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|R5 + Radeon™ R6 M435DX Dual Graphics with VRAM GCN 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek 8821AE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit - FHD 15.6 1920x1080 - 37W battery internal - 4gb soldered with 1 ddr3 slot - internal battery - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS M509ba || <!--Chipset-->AMD A9-9425 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2.5" and mSATA form factors using SATA Rev 3.0 interface}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for RADEON R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 15.6in 1366 x 768 - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot max 16Gb - 19VDC 2.37A Max 45W 4.0mm x 1.35mm - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->ExpertBook P1410, ASUS ExpertBook P1 P1510CD, Expertbook Y1511CD || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 3200U, Ryzen 5 3500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->Nvme || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for AMD}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit 14in or 15.6in 768p to 1080p - keyboard swap problematic - 19V 3.42A asus barrel connector 4.0MM X 1.35MM 4phi - |- | <!--Name-->ASUSTeK ASUS EXPERTBOOK L1 L1400CDA, L1500CDA - 19v 3.42a 4.5phi Barrel with centre pin Outer 4.5mm Inner 3mm asus special untested EXA1203XH, EXA1203YH, EXA1208UH, PA-1650-30, PA-1650-78, PA-1650-93, ADP-65GD B, ADP-65DW B (Euro) || <!--Chipset-->'''tested''' Ryzen 5 3500U - '''untested''' Ryzen 3 3200U, 3250U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|1 Nvme m.2 slot will not boot with sata3 m.2, optional 1 sata hdd with ribbon cable, no dvd drive}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for AMD vega 3, 8}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio 0x15de 0x15e3 with ALC256 codec 0x10ec 0x0256}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 1 usb-c and 3 usb-a }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111HSH-CG }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro-->3500U with AROS One 64bit 1.2 usb installed to m.2 sata on another machine || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit 14in or 15.6in 1080p - keyboard swap problematic - up to 8Gb ddr4 sodimm soldered on board and 1 slot - micro sd card slot on some models - 42Whr B31N1915 C31N1915 C31N2204 - hold down F2 and press power for bios setup - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ==== Dell ==== [[#top|...to the top]] Order of build quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > Studio Inspiron Vostro XPS Alienware Precision Latitude </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="10%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Latitude CP 233GT, CPi d233xt d266xt D300XT a366xt, CPt S400GT S500GT S550GT S600GT S700ST, CPt C333GT C400GT || <!--Chipset-->Neo Magic || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA - Neo magic Magic Media 2160 2360 256ZX || <!--Audio-->{{No|crystal pnp 4237b or magic media 256zx sound nm2360}} || <!--USB-->USB 1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit Low-Density 16-chip 144p 144-pin 32Mx64 3.3V SODIMM - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Latitude CPx H450GT H500GT H Series, CPt V433GT V466GT V600, Inspiron 5000 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 440BX with Pentium 3M (CPx) or Celeron (CPt) || <!--IDE-->{{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use Vesa - ATi Rage Pro Mobility M1}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|ESS ES1978 Maestro 2E Canyon 3D}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|1 slot 1.1 only}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Test Distro-->NB May 2013 || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit - 3 pin PA-6 PA6 power adapter plug - CDROM DVD Cxxx family media bay accessories untested |- | <!--Name-->Latitude C500 C600 (Quanta TM6) Inspiron 4000 7500, CPx J Series || <!--Chipset-->440BX ZX/DX || <!--IDE-->{{yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|ATI Rage 128Pro Mobility M3 (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|ES1983S Maestro 3i}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 1.1 only}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A|some models had mini pci e100}}|| <!--Wireless-->{{N/A|a few came with internal antenna wiring}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->1999 square 3 pin charger PA9 PA-9 - C/Dock II untested - C/Port untested - Parallel to Floppy cable untested - CPx J600GT J650GT J700GT J750GT J800GT J850GT |- | <!--Name-->Latitude C510 C610 Insprion 4100 PP01L 2600 || <!--Chipset-->i830 and 1GHz+ P3-M || <!--IDE-->{{yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|use VESA - ATI Radeon Mobility M6}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 CS4205}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|3Com Etherlink}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|internal antenna wiring for an Atheros mini pci card}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->2000 poor build quality - hard to find in good working order |- | <!--Name-->Latitude C400 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 830 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Intel 830 CGC}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|ac97 Crystal 4205}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|3Com 3c905C TX/TX-M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2000 Slim for the time - no media bays |- | <!--Name-->Latitude C640 (Quanta TM8) C840 Inspiron 8k2 8200 i8200 precision m50 || <!--Chipset-->P4M with 845EP || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use VESA if ATi - use nouveau if 64mb Nvidia Gforce 4 440 Go || <!--Audio-->AC97 CS4205 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->3com 905c || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2001 C640 had one fan so was noisy and hot - C840 had 2 fans and ran slightly cooler but fan noise louder |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | Latitude D400 || P-M 82845 || {{yes|82801 ide}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|VESA only}} || {{yes|AC97 Audio playback only}} || {{maybe|USB 2.0}} || {{maybe|PRO 100 VM (KM)}} || {{no|BCM4318 AirForce one 54g replace with atheros 5k mini pci}} || <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.2.4 || 2003 32bit might boot from USB stick but won't boot from USB-DVD - no sd card slot - power plug style - |- | Latitude D500 / D505 PP10L, Inspiron 510m || 855GME * revA00 * revA03 * revA06 | {{yes|IDE but needs the Dell adapter}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|855GM Gfx (VESA only)}} || {{Yes|Intel AC97 with IDT STAC 9750 codec playback head phones only}} || {{maybe| }} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100 VE}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4306 but exchange with atheros g in panel on laptop bottom}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || 2003 - 14 / 15 inch XGA 4:3 screen - plastic build - no sd card slot - boots from bay optical drive - not powering on/off with ac adapter is a [http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=37&topicid=30585 mobo fault of PC13 SMT 1206 ceramic cap hot] suggest [http://www.die4laser.com/D505fix/ 0.1uF 50V instead] - pc2700 333Mhz ram 1Gb max - |- | Latitude D505 (some) || VIA VT8237 VX700 || {{yes|IDE}} || || {{partial|VESA 2d on ATI RV350 Radeon 9550}} || {{no|VIA AC97 with codec}} || {{maybe|VIA USB glitchy}} || {{yes|VIA VT6102 Rhine-II}} || {{no|Intel 2200g Calexico2}} || <!--Test Distro--> || 2003 32bit little support - diagnostics pressing holding the Fn key, press the Power ON button (battery removed). Check the LEDs pattern - cmos battery behind flap in laptop battery slot - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 1000 || <!--Chipset-->SIS || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|use VESA SIS}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 SIS with AD1981B codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|SIS 900 but}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1 || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit [https://forum.level1techs.com/t/my-time-with-icaros-desktop-and-what-i-am-doing-as-a-dev-contributor-also-some-other-shit/113358 aremis using it] |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 1100 PP07L || <!--Chipset-->845 || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Intel 845G}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC'97 playback}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom 4401}} || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.5 || <!--Comments-->2004 |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 8500 5150 || <!--Chipset-->P4 855GM || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Nvidia 5200 Go - VESA if intel gfx}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|MCP AC97 with SigmaTel 9750}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Broadcom 440x}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom 4306 rev 02 use Atheros Mini PCI}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit P4 runs well but hot |- | Latitude X300 PP04S small, slim and light case || 855GME * revA00 Intel ULV 1.2 Ghz * revA01 Intel ULV 1.4Ghz | {{yes|IDE internal and will boot cd/dvd through dock PR04S}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|855GM Gfx (VESA only)}} || {{Yes|Intel AC97 with STAC 97xx codec but no audio out of the dock}} || {{maybe|works but dock usb ports and usb DVD PD01S not detected}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM5705M gigabit}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4306 later intel - replace with atheros in the underside}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1, 2020 AROS One 1.6 usb, || 2003 12.1" 1024 x 768 - 19.5v PA-10 or PA-12 dell - ACPI works but bad s3 ram suspend sleep - no sd card boot - 1Gb max sodimm ddr 2700 |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D600 (Quanta JM2) PP05L - 600m || <!--Chipset-->82855 PM i855 * reva00 * revA01 * revA02 * revA03 * revA04 | <!--IDE--> {{yes}} || <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use VESA - ATI Radeon RV250 Mobility FireGL 9000}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 - STAC 9750}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5705}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel 2100 or Broadcom BCM4306 - swap for Atheros panel in base}} || <!--Test Distro-->2011 Icaros 1.3 and [http://www.amiga.org/forums/archive/index.php/t-62187.html 1.4.1 and 2016 2.1.1] || <!--Opinion-->2003 32bit 14inch using pc2100 memory with Caps light blinking is usually a memory error - Dell D505 D600 power up pressing the case docking port - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D600 (Quanta JM2) || <!--Chipset-->82855 PM i855 || <!--IDE--> {{yes}} || <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D only vidia NV28 GeForce4 Ti 4200 Go 5200 Go 5650 Go}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 - STAC 9750}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5705}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom BCM4306 mini pci - swap for Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.3 and [http://www.amiga.org/forums/archive/index.php/t-62187.html 1.4.1] || <!--Opinion-->2003 32bit 14" - solder joints on the bios chip (press down f7/f8 keys) - RAM clean with eraser - memory cover plate maybe apply some pressure - |- | <!--Name-->D800 (Compal LA-1901) || <!--Chipset-->Intel 855 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio-->AC97 || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom 570x || <!--Wireless-->Broadcom 4309 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit - trackpoint type pointing device - |- | <!--Name-->D800 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 855 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{No|Nvidia }} || <!--Audio-->AC97 || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom 570x || <!--Wireless-->Broadcom 4309 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit 15inch 39cm |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 1200 2200 PP10S Latitude 110L m350 1.3Ghz || <!--Chipset-->Intel 915GM || <!--IDE--> {{yes|UDMA boots cd or DVD and installs to HDisk}} || <!--SATA--> {{N/A}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA900 (2D and 3D openGL 1.x) Gearbox 56}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel AC97 playback only}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Intel PRO 100 VE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|BroadCom BCM4318 - swap for Atheros mini PCI in base panel}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.4.5 || <!--Comments-->2005 single core 32bit 14" 4:3 1024 768 XGA screen - heavy 6 lbs - PA16 barrel 19V 3.16A AC adapter - battery life 4cell 29WHr lasts 2 hours - 256mb soldered with 1 ddr pc2100 sodimm 1gb max - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 1300 business B130 home PP21L Latitude 120L B120 by Compal - Inspiron 630m || <!--Chipset-->Intel Celeron M360 1.4GHz, M370 1.50 GHz, M380 1.73GHz || <!--IDE-->{{Yes|boots cd or DVD and installs to HDisk}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 915 2D and 3D openGL 1.x tunnel 172 gearbox 70}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio playback ear phones only}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|works but waiting boot fail with AROS One usb version}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Broadcom 440x}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|intel 2200 or BCM4318 swap for Atheros mini pci underside - one antenna lead for main wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.2, 2020 AROS One 1.6 usb, || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit single core - 14.1″ XGA 4:3 or 15.4" WXGA wide 1280 x 800 matte - ddr2 sodimm ram 2gb max - PA-16 19v psu tip 7.4mm * 5mm - f10 boot select f1 f2 bios |- | Latitude X1 PP05S || PP-M GMA915 rev A00 1.1GHz non-pae || {{yes|ide 1.8in zif/ce under keyboard}} || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|Vesa for Intel 915GM}} || {{yes|AC97 6.6 playback only with STAC codec}} || {{maybe|USB 2.0 but partial boot to blank screen}} || {{No|Broadcom 5751}} || {{no|Intel 2200BG - swap for Atheros mini pci under keyboard palm rest - disassembly of all laptop}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 dvd iso image virtualbox'd onto usb, Aros One 1.5 and 1.8 usb (2022) || 2005 32bit 12.1" 4:3 1024 x 768 - sd slot not bootable - 256mb soldered to board and 1 sodimm max 1GB ddr2 under keyboard - F12 bios boot F2 - pa-17 pa17 19v octagonal psu port |- | Latitude D410 PP06S *rev A00 *A01, A02 *A03 || GMA915 1.6GHz Pentium® M 730, 1.7GHz, 750 1.86GHz & 760 2.0GHz, 770 2.13GHz || {{yes|caddy and adapter needed 2.5" - remove hdd and write}} || {{N/A}} || {{Yes|Intel 915GM 2D and 3D OpenGL 1.3 tunnel 170 and gearbox 75}} || {{yes|AC97 playback only with STAC 9751 codec}} || {{maybe|works but will not boot from USB-DVD or AROS One 1.5 usb version}} || {{No|Broadcom 5751}} || {{no|Intel 2915ABG or later 2200BG - swap for Atheros mini pci under keyboard}} || <!--Test Distro-->2015 Icaros 1.4, 2016 2.1.1 and AROS One 1.5 usb, || 2005 32bit 12.1" 4:3 1024 x 768 - no sd card slot - PR06S dock base |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D510 (Quanta DM1) || <!--Chipset-->915GM socket 479 || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 915 2D and 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 STAC 975x}} || <!--USB--> {{maybe|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5751}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG swap Atheros mini pci in base}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 14.1" 32bit single core Intel Celeron M 1.6GHz Pentium M 730 1.73Ghz - squarish 3:2 - issues with 3rd party battery 4 quick flashes of red led with 1 final green |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D610 (Quanta JM5B) PP11L || <!--Chipset-->910GML 915GM with mobile 1.6 to 2.26ghz * Rev A0x * Rev A0x * Rev A07 1.73Ghz | <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 915 2D and 3D tunnel 174 gearbox 74}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel AC97 speaker head phones playback only with stac codec}} || <!--USB--> {{maybe|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5751}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel 2200BG or Broadcom mini pci under keyboard, swap wifi card for atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 14" 1024 x 768 - very noisy clicky trackpad buttons - one dimm slot under keyboard and other in underside 2GB 533Mhz 667Mhz DDR2 max - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D610 (Quanta JM5B) 0C4717 REV A05, 0K3879 REV.A00 || <!--Chipset-->915GM || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use VESA 2d - Ati X300 no radeon 2d}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel AC97}} || <!--USB--> {{maybe|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom NetXtreme 57xx Gigabit replace with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG mini pci use Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 14" 1024 x 768 - very noisy clicky trackpad buttons - 19.5v psu |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D810 (Quanta ) || <!--Chipset-->915GM || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use VESA 2d - Ati X300 RV370 M22 later x600}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel AC97 stereo playback only idt 9751 codec}} || <!--USB--> {{maybe|USB 2.0 but no boot from usb on 1.5}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom NetXtreme 57xx Gigabit}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG mini pci replace with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.1, aros one 1.5 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 15.4" F12 one time boot menu - 19.5v 90w psu ideal - battery not same as later dx20 ones - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 6000 6400, E1505 PP20L *A00 Pentium M *A0? Core Duo || <!--Chipset-->GM945 with PM 1.73Ghz, T2050 or T2060 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|vesa 2d - Ati 9700, x1300 RV515 M52, x1400 or nvidia go 7300 on mxm board}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio IDT 9200}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|usb boot }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Broadcom BCM4401 B0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 2200 3945 - swap for Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1, AROS One 1.6 || <!--Comments-->2006 mostly 32bit - 15.4 inch glossy - 2 ddr2 sodimm slots - broadcom bcm92045 bluetooth detected but no support - 19.5v dell psu socket - f2 bios setup, f12 boot order - |- | <!--Name-->Inspirion E1705 9200 9300 9400 PP12L PP14L || <!--Chipset-->945GM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->proprietary Dell card/socket format Nvidia 6800, ati X300 or nVidia 7900GS gpu 3d corrupt || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom BCM4401}} || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 swap with Atheros 5k mini pcie || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 [http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?mode=flat&order=0&item_id=6481 increasing vertical lines issues] 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Studio XPS M1210 || <!--Chipset-->GM945 with Core Duo to intel C2D T5500, T7400 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->nVidia G72M 7300 7400m || <!--Audio-->HD Audio IDT 92xx || <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom BCM4401 B0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4311 - swap for Atheros 5k mini pci-e}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 64bit - 2 ddr2 slots max 4Gb - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 1501 PP23LA Latitude 131L || <!--Chipset-->AMD Sempron 1.8GHz Turion MK-36 or X2 1.6Ghz TL-50 or TL-56 on ATI RS480 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use VESA 2d - ATI 1150 (x300) RS482M Mobility Radeon Xpress 200}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with stac 92xx codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom bcm 4401}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom bcm4311 replace with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.5 || <!--Comments-->2006 64bit 15.4 inch matt 16:10 1280x800 WXGA - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 6400 (Quanta FM1) *A00 Pentium M *A0? Core Duo *A08 Core2 Duo || <!--Chipset-->GM945 with BGA479 (socket M) T2050 1.6Ghz, T2060 1.60Ghz, T2080 1.73Ghz much later T5500 1.66Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 2D and 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with IDT 92xx codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Broadcom BCM4401 B0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4311 swap for Atheros 5k mini pci-e under keyboard}} || <!--Test Distro-->deadwood 2019-04-16 iso || <!--Comments-->2006 mostly 32bit - 15.4" glossy - sd card - front multimedia keys - dvd rw - generic dell keyboard - coin cr2032 bios battery under keyboard - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 640m PP19L XPS M140 e1405 || <!--Chipset-->Core Solo T2050, T2300 Duo 1.83GHz T2400 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio IDT || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom BCM4401-B0 100Base || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 or Broadcom 43xx, swap for Atheros 5k - Wireless Internet ON or OFF press the Function key + F2}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32 bit - 12.1 LCD CCFL WXGA 1280x800 up to 14.1 inch 16:10 1440x900 pixel, WXGA+ UltraSharp - supports also SSE3 on duos - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D420 (Compal LA-3071P) PP09S || <!--Chipset-->945 * revA00 Solo 1.2Ghz ULV U1400 * revA01 Duo 1.06Ghz u2500 * revA02 Duo 1.2Ghz | <!--IDE-->{{yes|ZIF/CE 1.8" slow under battery, ribbon cable}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA950 - 2D and 3D opengl tunnel 138 gearbox 103}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio with STAC 92xx playback speakers head phones only)}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|2 and external usb optical drive works}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 mini pcie - swap Atheros 5k in base panel}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros Desktop 1.4 || <!--Opinion-->2006 32bit only - 12.1" 1280x800 - PR09S dock base rev02 DVD-RW usb boots - 1GB DDR2 2Rx16 max in base panel - f2 setup f5 diagnostics f12 boot list - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D520 PP17L || <!--Chipset--> * 64bit rev A01, A02 945GM Core2 Duo 1.83Ghz to 2.3Ghz * 32bit rev A00, A01 940GML Solo later Duo T2400 | <!--IDE-->{{yes| Philips SDR089, Philips CDD5263, TEAC DW224EV, Optiarc AD-5540A, HL-DL-ST GSAT21N, TSSTcorp TS-L632D}} || {{Yes|bios sata set to ide mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 900 series 2D and OpenGL1 3D tunnel 210 gearbox 153 teapot 27}} || {{Yes|HD audio with STAC 9200 codec}} || {{Yes|Boots and detects USB2.0}} || {{Yes|Broadcom 4400}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM4312 BCM4321 Dell 1390 / 1490 mini pcie - easy to replace with atheros 5k in base panel}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.4 and 2.2 and both AROS One 1.8 and AROS One x64 1.1 USB boot || 2006 mostly 64bit 4:3 aspect ratio 14.1 (XGA 1024x768) or later 15 inches (XGA+ 1400 by 1050) - F2 enter bios F12 choose boot - 19.5v dell tip pa-12 charger - bios coin cell cr2032 battery socketed in base panel - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D620 (Compal LA-2792) PP18L || <!--Chipset-->945GMS * rev A00 all Core Duo's 32 bit * rev A0x all Core 2 Duo's 64 bit | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 950 (2D and 3D tunnel gearbox opengl1 || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio playback}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel 3945 mini pcie swap with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->AspireOS Xenon || <!--Opinion-->2006 64bit AROS capable with later revisions - 14" 1280 x 800 |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D620 || <!--Chipset-->Intel i945 * revA00 all Core Duo's 32 bit * revA01 all Core 2 Duo's 64 bit | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Nvidia 7300, 7600 NVS 110M G72 || <!--Audio-->{{dunno|HD Audio with STAC 9200 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless--> {{dunno}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->2007 1440x900 screen - LA-2792P Rev.2.0 - DT785 UC218 Fan/ Heatsink (64bit) - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D820 (Quanta JM6) || <!--Chipset-->945GMS 940GML * rev A00 * rev A01 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 2D and 3D tunnel 195 - 100? gearbox 156}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with STAC 9200 playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|BCM4310 replace with mini pcie atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Opinion-->2007 widescreen 15 inch 1280 x 800 matte - - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D820 (Quanta JM) || <!--Chipset-->945GMS 940GML * revA00 * revA01 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Nvidia NVS 110M 120M G72}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio STAC 9200}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|BCM4310 swap with Atheros 5k mini pcie}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->2007 64bit 15.4 1650x1050 WXGA or WSXGA+ or 1920x1200 WUXGA - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Latitude D531 15" || <!--Chipset-->AMD Turion X2 TL56 or TL60 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use VESA - ATi xpress X1270}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with IDT codec || <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom 57xx}} || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 or Dell Wireless 1390, 1505 or BCM4311 mini pcie || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit possible - no trackpoint - fails and goes wrong often - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D430 PP09S || <!--Chipset-->945 with Core2 Duo C2D U7500 1.06GHz U7600 1.2GHz U7700 1.33GHz * rev A00 * rev A01 * rev A02 | <!--IDE-->ZIF PATA IDE 1.8inch under battery and ribbon cable - slow use USB instead || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|945GML 2D and 3D opengl 1.x 171 tunnel 105 gearbox}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|STAC 92xx HD Audio speaker and ear phone - mono speaker}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel 4965 AGN or 3945 ABG mini pci-e underside with Atheros 5k mini pci-e}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aspire 1.8 || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit capable - sd card not supported - 19.5v PA12 power adapter - 12.1" 1280x800 matte - f2 setup f5 diagnostics f12 boot list - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D530 || <!--Chipset-->GM965 + ICH8 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{partial|IDE mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{partial|nVidia Quadro NVS 135M 2D 3d glitches G86}} || <!--Audio-->{{partial|HD Audio with STAC 9205 head phones only}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0}}|| <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5755M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 3945ABG swap with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.4.5 || <!--Comments-->2007 [http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?mode=flat&order=0&item_id=6481] cool air intake from underneath needed with pa-10 or pa-3e 90w psu required - standard 4:3 ratio aspect screen - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D630 (Compal LA-3301P) PP18L || <!--Chipset-->GM965 + ICH8 T7250 2.0Ghz T7300 * revA00 * revA01 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA X3100 (2D only, no external monitor)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio STAC 9205 but speaker and head phones}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|4 USB 2.0}}|| <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5755M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom BCM4312 swap with pci-e Atheros 5k under keyboard}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit possible - F12 to choose boot option - 2 ddr2 sodimm max 4G - 4400mah 48Wh battery lasts 2 hours - 6600mah 73Wh lasts 3 hours - two wire cr2032 cmos - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D630 || <!--Chipset-->GM965 + ICH8 * revA00 [http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?mode=flat&order=0&item_id=6481] GPU heatpad, no copper * revA01 0DT785 heatsink | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{partial|IDE mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{partial|use VESA as nVidia NVS 135M 3d corrupts 0.7 tunnel 0.25 gearbox G86}} || <!--Audio-->{{partial|HD Audio with STAC 9205 head phones only}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0}}|| <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5755M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 3945ABG swap with Atheros 5k mini pcie}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.4.5 || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D830 || <!--Chipset-->965GM with Core2 * revA00 * revA01 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GM965 crestline 2d and 3d tunnel 115}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|replace with Atheros 5k mini pcie}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros || <!--Comments-->2007 15 inch 1280 x 900 but updating the LCD to WXGA or WSXGA+ could be better - 2 ddr2 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D830 || <!--Chipset-->ICH8, Core2 DUO T7800 @ 2.60GHz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->Intel ICH8M Serial ATA || <!--Gfx-->nVidia Quadro NVS 140M G86 || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio with STAC 92XX codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom NetXtreme 57xx Gigabit || <!--Wireless-->Intel Wireless 4965AGN swap with Atheros 5k || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.03 || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit 15." - FN,F2 or FN,F8 or FN,F12 |- | <!--Name-->XPS M1710 || <!--Chipset-->945PM with T2400 T2600 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->proprietary Dell card socket format GTX 7950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with STAC 92XX codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 1000 or Broadcom BCM5752 || <!--Wireless-->Intel swap with Atheros 5k || <!--Test Distro-->Aros One 64bit || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit 17.3" workstation type WXGA+ screen 1920x1200 - 2 ddr-2 667Mhz sodimm slots, |- | <!--Name-->XPS M1730 || <!--Chipset-->965 with T7200 T7600 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GTX 7950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with STAC 92XX codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 1000 || <!--Wireless-->Intel swap with Atheros 5k || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit 17" workstation type WXGA+ screen manufactured by AU Optronics poor viewing angles, unevenly lit, light leakage, 2 ddr-2 800Mhz slots, |- | <!--Name-->Latitude E6410 P27LA, E6510 PP30LA, E6310 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core i5-520M to i7-620M i7 820QM but no sse4.1 or AVX || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|NVidia NVS 3100M GT218 2D but 3D through external monitor}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio IDT 92HD81}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB2 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom or Intel 6200AGN or Link 6300}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.3 || <!--Comments-->2010 64 bit - 14.1” WXGA+ up to 15.6in 15.6” FHD 1080p - 2 ddr3l 1333Mhz max 8Gb - 90w dell charger - 3pin cmos - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron M5030 || <!--Chipset-->rev A01 AMD V120, V140 rev A0? V160 M880G || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA RS880M Radeon HD 4225, 4250}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with ALC269q codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros AR8152 v2}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - DDR3 sodimm - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->E6420 E6520 ATG semi ruggized XFR || <!--Chipset-->sandy bridge i5 2520M 2540M or duo I7 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|set to Bios UEFI mode AHCI}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Intel HD 3000 with optional fermi Nvidia NVS 4200M GF119}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with IDT 92HD90 BXX codec but not HDMI codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 6205}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.03 || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit 15.6in - fan exhausts a lot of hot air when cpu taxed - VGA if Bios ATA set and Vesa only with Bios ACHI set - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron M5040 || <!--Chipset-->slow amd E450, later C-50 C50 or C-60 C60 with A50M chipset || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|non efi sata in IDE mode but base plastic difficult to remove for access}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA AMD Radeon 6320, 6250 or 6290}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio IDT}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8105E VB 10/100}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 icaros 2.1.1 and AROS USB 1.6 || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit 15INCH 1388 X 768 - f2 bios setup, f12 boot order - under removable keyboard via 4 top spring loaded catches is 1 ddr3l sodimm max 8gb and wifi - |- | Latitude e6230 E6330 E6430 || i3 3320M 3350M 2.8 GHz i5 3360M i7 3520M || {{N/A}} || {{partial|non RAID mode}} || {{partial|Intel HD 4000 (VESA only)}} || {{no|HD Audio}} || {{partial|Intel USB 3.0 (USB 1.1 2.0 only)}} || {{No|Intel 82579LM Gigabit}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM4313}} || <!--Test Distro-->Nightly Build 2014 09-27 || 2013 64bit Ivy Bridge - 12.5-inch 13.3-inch 14-inch screen - not great support, better under hosted - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Latitude 3330 || <!--Chipset-->Core i3 – 2375M to i5 – 3337U, Intel® Core i3 – 3227U, Celeron 1007U on HM77 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2d for intel Hd 2000 3000 vga hdmi}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HDAudio with IDT 92HD93 Controller codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.0 (2), USB 2.0 PowerShare capable }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel }} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwood usb3 test iso || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit, 13.3” HD 1366X768 16:9, 2 ddr3l slots max 8Gb, 720p HD video webcam, |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 15 5565 5567 AMD versions, Inspiron 3595 || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-9200u A9-9400 9425 A12-9700P Bristol Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->Radeon R5 R8 GCN 3 || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{partial| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek 1GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit AVX2 - 15.6in 768p or 900p - there are intel versions avoid - |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Latitude 5495, Inspiron 15 3585 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 2300U 2500U 2700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|NVMe or optional 2.5in sata if caddy and ribbon cable}} || <!--Gfx-->Radeon Vega 3 or 7 || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with Realtek ALC3246 aka ALC295 0x10ec, 0x0295 or ALC3263 aka ALC 0x10ec, 0x0 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14.0" FHD WVA 1080p (16:9) 220 nits or HD 768p - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots max 32gb - 68whr battery with 2pin cmos bios coin - DC 19.5V 4.62A (90W) or 19.5V 3.34W (65W) 5.0mm x 7.4mm PA12 charging adapter - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 3505, Vostro 3515 || <!--Chipset-->athlon 300u, Ryzen 3250u (2c4t) 3450u 3500u 3700u (4c8t), Athlon Silver (2c2t) Gold (2c4t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|up to 2 nvme with optional 2.5in sata ribbon connector}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 8, 10}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|Realtek ALC3204, Cirrus Logic CS8409 (CS42L42 and SN005825)}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|RTL 8106E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8723DE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64-bit - 15.6inch - 2 ddr4 sodimm max 16G - avoid knocking usb-c charging whilst in use - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 5485 2-in-1 || <!--Chipset-->athlon 300u, Ryzen 3250u (2c4t) 3450u 3500u 3700u (4c8t), Athlon Silver (2c2t) Gold (2c4t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|nvme}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 8, 10}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|Realtek ALC3204}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8723DE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64-bit - 14inch - 2 ddr4 sodimm max 16G - avoid knocking usb-c charging whilst in use - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude 3500, 3310, 3410, 3510, || <!--Chipset-->Intel Celeron-4205U, Pentium-5405U, Core i5 (8th Gen) i3-8145U, 8265U, i5-8365U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|nvme}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2D for Intel UHD Graphics 610 or 620 hdmi}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HDAudio with Realtek ALC}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 usb-c usb-a}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111H}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14in or 15.6in 768p to 1080p 220nits - 65w - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - rtc cr2032 cmos 2 pin - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 5405 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 4500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->One M.2 2230/2280 nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with Realtek ALC3204 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 14" 1080p - dell round ac 19.50 VDC 4.50 mm x 2.90 mm 65W(19.5V-3.34A) round 4.5mm tip - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 5415, Inspiron 5515 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 5300U, Ryzen 5 5500U, Ryzen 7 5700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|nvme}} || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDaudio with realtek ALC3254 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit 14" or 15.6in - avoid knocking usb-c charging whilst in use or use dell round ac 65W 4.5MM x 3.0MM - replacing keyboard not easy - 1 ddr4 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->Vostro 3425, Vostro 3525, Vostro 5625 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 5425U, Ryzen 5 5625U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{no|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB4}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 14in 15.6" to 16" FHD 1080p - dell round ac 65w 4.5MM x 3.0MM or avoid knocking usb-c charging whilst in use - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Inspiron 15 Model 3535, Inspiron 14 7435 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 7520U, AMD Ryzen 5 7530U, 7 7730U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->{{No| hdmi 1.4 but no gpmi}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDaudio with codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2024 64bit - 14.0" or 15.6" 1080p - dell round ac 65w 4.5MM x 3.0MM or usb-c charging - full sd card slot - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |} ====Fujitsu-Siemens==== [[#top|...to the top]] Order of build quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > Amilo Esprimo Lifebook </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu [http://www.labri.fr/perso/fleury/index.php?page=bug_transmeta FMV-Biblo Loox S73A (Japan P1100) LifeBook P1120 Biblo Loox T93C (Japan P2120) P2020] || <!--Chipset-->Transmeta Crusoe CPU TM5600 633MHz with Ali M1535 chipset || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->ATI Rage Mobility M with 4MB SDRAM || <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 Ali M1535 + STAC9723 Codec}} || <!--USB-->USB 1.1 only || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1999 32bit 10" 1280 x 600 matte LCD - QuickPoint IV mouse - metal chassis with palm rest plastic - 15GB 2.5 inch drive and SR 8175 8X DVD-ROM drive - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Lifebook S7000 S7010 S7010D S2020 || <!--Chipset-->Pentium M 1.6 or 1.7GHz || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA - Intel 855}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|AC97 with STAC 9751T or 9767 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros, Broadcom or Intel 2200BG - FN,F10}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit 14.1 inch with minimal support |- | <!--Name-->Lifebook e8010 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Intel 855GM}} || <!--Audio-->AC97 STAC9767 or ALC203 codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom NetXtreme BCM5705M}} || <!--Wireless-->Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.3.1 || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit 15.1 inch |- | <!--Name-->Stylistic ST5000 ST5010 ST5011 ST5012 ST5020 ST5021 ST5022 || <!--Chipset-->1.0GHz P-M and later 1.1GHz on Intel 855GME || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->Intel 800 use VESA || <!--Audio-->Intel AC97 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom BCM5788 tg3 || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 2200BG}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit charged via a proprietary port power connector 16V 3.75A with wacom serial pen interface - indoor Screen transmissive 10.1 and later 12.1 XGA TFT - |- | <!--Name-->Amilo Pro V2010 || <!--Chipset-->VIA CN400 PM880 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{No|S3 unichrome use VESA}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|VIA AC97 VT8237 with codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Rhine 6102 6103 || <!--Wireless-->RaLink RT2500 || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit boot mount - unknown bootstrap error then crashes |- | <!--Name-->Amilo Li 1705 CN896 || <!--Chipset--> with VIA P4M900 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|IDE}} || <!--Gfx-->ATi || <!--Audio-->{{No|VIA VT8237 HD Audio with codec}} || <!--USB-->VT82xx 62xx || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|VIA Rhine}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros G}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit random freezes |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> Esprimo Mobile V5535 Skt mPGA 478MN | <!--Chipset--> | <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE and EIDE}} | <!--SATA--> {{maybe|IDE mode with SIS 5513}} | <!--Gfx--> {{maybe|SiS 771 / 671 (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{yes|HD Audio SIS968 SIS966 SI7012 with ALC268 codec}} | <!--USB--> {{no|USB 1.1 and 2.0 issues}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|SiS 191 gigabit}} | <!--Wireless--> {{yes|Atheros AR5001 mini pci express}} | <!--Test Distro-->aros one 1.5 usb | <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 20v barrel - f2 setup f12 multi boot - random freezing short time after booting - chipset SIS 671MX - |- | <!--Name-->Amilo SI 1520 1521p || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 2D}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio Conexant codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Intel Pro 100}} || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.4.2 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit - Set Bios option ATA Control Mode to Compatible |- | <!--Name-->Lifebook S7020 S7020D || <!--Chipset--> Pentium M 740 1.73MHz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 915 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC260 codec || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom BCM5751M Gigabit || <!--Wireless-->Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG or Atheros 5k || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Stylistic ST5030 ST5031 ST5032 || <!--Chipset-->1 to 1.2GHx Pentium M with 915GM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->Intel 900 || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Marvell || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit charged via a proprietary port power connector 6.0 x 4.4 mm round - 200 pin ddr2 ram |- | <!--Name-->Stylistic ST5110 ST5111 ST5112 || <!--Chipset-->945GM with 1.2GHz Core Duo and Core2 Duo || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 900 || <!--Audio-->HD audio with STAC9228 codec || <!--USB-->{{No| }} || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 ABG or optional atheros || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 either 32 or 64 bit - charged via a proprietary port power connector 6.0 x 4.4 mm round - SigmaTel® touchscreen - |- | <!--Name-->E8110 S7110 E8210 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|945GM}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with ALC262 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8055 Gigabit}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel PRO Wireless 3945ABG}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.0 || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit Core Duo |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || CHIPSET || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Lifebook PH521 || <!--Chipset-->AMD E-350 E-450 1.65GHz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->HD 6310M 6320M || <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC269 || <!--USB-->{{No| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros 802.11 bgn}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 11.6 inch 1366x768 pixels - DDR3 1066MHz - |- | <!--Name-->LIFEBOOK E752/E782/S752/S782 || <!--Chipset--> with Intel Core i3-2328M to i3-3110M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Audio-->{{yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82579V 1000 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel Wireless 6205 may be able to swap for Atheros 5k }} || <!--Test Distro-->Aros One 64bit || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====HP Compaq==== [[#top|...to the top]] Build quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > Presario Pavilion Omnibook ProBook Armada Elitebook </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->1c00 series Compaq Presario [http://users.utu.fi/sjsepp/linuxcompaqarmada100s.html Armada 100S made by Mitac], 1247 || <!--Chipset-->K6-II with PE133 MVP-4 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use VESA - Trident Blade3D AGP sp16953 || <!--Audio-->VIA ac'97 audio [rev20] with AD1881A codec || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|usual VIA issues [rev10]}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit 192MB max - PCcard Texas PC1211 no support - 1200 XL1 1200-XL1xx, XL101, XL103 XL105 XL106 XL109 XL110 XL111 XL116 XL118 XL119 XL125 |- | <!--Name-->1c01 series Armada 110, Evo N150 || <!--Chipset-->Intel with VIA PLE133 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA - Trident Cyber Blade i1 chipset || <!--Audio-->VIA 686 rev20 82xxx 686a || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 82557 Pro 100 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit max 192mb sodimm 100Mhz 133Mhz ram memory - 1200-XL405A 12XL405A XL502A 12XL502A 1600XL |- | Armada M300 M700 E500 || 440BX || {{Yes| }} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|ATI Rage LT M1 Mobility (VESA only)}} || {{no|AC97 ESS Maestro 2E M2E ES1987 sound}} || {{yes|USB1.1 only}} || {{No|[http://perho.org/stuff/m300/index_en.html Intel PRO 100+ Mini PCI]}} || {{N/A}} || Aspire OS 2012, Nightly 30-01 2013 and 04-05 2013 || 1999 32bit - F10 bios options and Fn+F11 reset CMOS with 64mb ram already on board |- | <!--Name-->HP Omnibook XE3 || <!--Chipset-->Intel BX 600Mhz GC model 256mb or AMD GD 500Mhz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA - S3 Inc. 86C270 294 Savage IX-MV (rev 11) || <!--Audio-->{{No|ESS ES1988 Allegro 1 (rev 12)}} || <!--USB-->Intel 82371AB PIIX4 USB (rev 01) || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit no cardbus pcmcia support - no audio from Polk Audio Speakers - |- | <!--Name-->HP Omnibook XE3 || <!--Chipset-->82830 ICH3 P3-M 750MHz 800Mhz 900MHz || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA - CGC 830MG}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|ESS ES1988 Maestro 3i}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|only one 1.1 port}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|e100 82557}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A|}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.51 || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit Boots USB Stick via Plop boot floppy - Memory for GF 256-512mb, GS up 1GB |- | <!--Name-->TC1000 TC-1000 Tablet PC || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA NV11 [GeForce2 Go] (rev b2) || <!--Audio-->VIA AC97 Audio (rev 50) || <!--USB-->OHCI NEC USB 2.0 (rev 02) || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 82551 QM (rev 10) || <!--Wireless-->Atmel at76c506 802.11b || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit Transmeta LongRun (rev 03) with VT82C686 - Texas Instruments TI PCI1520 PC card Cardbus |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq R3000 ZV5000 (Compal LA-1851) || <!--Chipset-->Nvidia nForce 3 with AMD CPU || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Nvidia NV17 [GeForce4 420 Go 32M] || <!--Audio-->Nvidia || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom or Realtek RTL8139 || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Broadcom BCM4303 BCM4306 or Atheros bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - HPs have a setting to automatically disable wireless if a wired connection is detected |- | <!--Name-->Compaq [http://www.walterswebsite.us/drivers.htm Presario 700 series] || <!--Chipset-->VT8363 VT8365 [Apollo Pro KT133 KM133] || <!--IDE-->{{yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VT8636A (S3 Savage TwisterK) (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|VIA AC97 [rev50] with AD1886 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|VIA UHCI USB 1.1 [rev1a]}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RealTek RTL8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom BCM4306}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit poor consumer grade level construction - jbl audio pro speakers - no support for cardbus pcmcia TI PCI1410 - 700A EA LA UK US Z 701AP EA BR FR 701Z 702US 703US AP JP audio sp18895 Sp19472 |- |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | N400c || P3-M 82845 || {{yes|82801 CAM IDE U100}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|Rage Mobility 128 (VESA only)}} || {{No|Maestro 3 allegro 1}} || {{yes|USB1.1}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100 VM (KM)}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2003 32bit Has no optical disc drive |- | N410c || P3-M 82845 || {{yes|82801 CAM IDE U100}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|Radeon Mobility M7 LW 7500 (VESA only)}} || {{yes|Intel AC97 with AD1886 codec}} || {{yes|USB1.1}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100 VM (KM)}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2003 32bit Has no optical disc drive |- | Evo N600c || Pentium 4 || {{yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|ATI Radeon Mobility M7 (VESA only)}} || {{No|ESS ES1968 Maestro 2}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || {{dunno}} || Icaros 1.3 || 2003 32bit |- | Evo N610c || Pentium 4 || {{yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|ATI Radeon Mobility M7 (VESA only)}} || {{yes|Intel ICH AC97 with AD1886 codec}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || {{dunno}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || |- | N800c || P4 || {{Yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|ATI Radeon Mobility 7500 (VESA only)}} || {{yes|AC97}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2003 32bit P4M CPU can get very warm |- | <!--Name-->NX7010 || <!--Chipset-->Intel || <!--IDE-->{{yes|IDE}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|ATI mobility 7500 or 9000 Radeon 9200 64MB (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 ADI codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|uhci (1.1) and ehci (2.0)}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 2200b bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Compaq Preasrio V5000 (Compal LA-2771) || <!--Chipset-->AMD Sempron 3000+ or Turion ML with SB400 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA - Ati RS480M Xpress 200}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 ATI with Conexant CX 20468 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8100 8101L 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|bcm4318 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2004 64bit single core machine V5001 V5002 V5002EA V5003 |- | <!--Name-->TC1100 TC-1100 Tablet PC || <!--Chipset-->855PM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Nvidia Geforce4 Go || <!--Audio-->AC97 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|BCM 4400}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Atheros wlan W400 W500 or ? bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit |- | <!--Name-->NC6000 NC8000 NW8000 || <!--Chipset-->855PM with Pentium M 1.5 1.6 1.8GHz 2.0GHz || <!--IDE-->max 160 GB for NW 8000 || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Ati RV350 mobility 9600 M10 Fire GL T2 ISV use VESA 2D as no laptop display}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Intel AC97 with ADI codec playback only}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|2 ports}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM 5705M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|mini pci Atheros 5212 BG W400 W500 or Intel - all bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 based [http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=41916&forum=47 works] - Firewire TI TSB43AB22/A - 8 pound 2.5 kg travel weight - an SD slot as well as two PC Card slots - 15-inch UXGA screen (1,600 x 1,200) or 15" SXGA+ (1400 x 1050) (4:3 ratio) |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Compaq NC6110 NX6110 NC6120 NC6220 NC4200 NC8200 TC4200 || <!--Chipset-->GMA 915GML || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D GMA 900}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 with ADI AD1981B playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Unk|440x or BCM 5705M or 5751M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel IPW 2200 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.5.2 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit Sonoma based - Wifi with Atheros AR5007eg if apply hacked bios RISKY else use USB one - (INVENTEC ASPEN UMA MV) (INVENTEC ASPEN DIS PV) - |- | <!--Name-->Compaq C500 CTO aka HP G7000 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 945GM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with realtek ALC262 codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Broadcom BCM 4311 bios locked || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit |- | <!--Name-->HP DV6000 || <!--Chipset-->945GMS || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio IDT 92HD 91B || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel PRO 100 VE || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32 bit only - Mosfet FDS6679 common cause of shorts giving no power to the tip. To reset adapter, unplug from AC (mains) and wait 15-30 sec. Then plug in again - |- | Presario F700 series, HP G6000 f730us F750 F750us F755US F756NR F765em || AMD Turion Mono MK-36 2.0Ghz NForce 560m or Twin X2 TK-55 with nForce 610m MCP67 || {{N/A| }} || {{Yes|but needs special sata adapt bit and caddy}} || {{Yes|GF Go 7000m 2D and 3D 640x350 to 1280x800 - ball solder issues due to poor cooling}} || {{Maybe| }} || {{Maybe|uhci and ehci boots}} || {{No|Nvidia }} || {{Yes|Atheros AR5007 bios locked}} || Icaros 1.3.1 and Aros One 1.6 USB || 2006 64bit - f9 boot device f10 bios setup - random freezes after a minutes use means internal ventilation maintenance needed each year essential - No sd card and overall limited phoenix bios options - |- | <!--Name-->Presario v6604au v6608au V3500 || <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA MCP67M with AMD Athlon64 X2 TK 55 amd 1.8ghz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|SATA 150}} || <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA GeForce Go 7150M 630i or C67 630M MCP67 || <!--Audio-->conexant codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Nvidia or Realtek 10/100 || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom 4311 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 64bit Altec Lansing Stereo Speakers - ball solder issues - |- | <!--Name-->Compaq presario v6610 v6615eo v6620us || <!--Chipset-->Turion 64 X2 mobile TK-55 / 1.8 GHz to athlon 64x2 @ 2.4ghz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|SATA 150}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|geforce 7150 or 7300m 2d and 3d}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AMD HD Audio with IDT codec stereo playback only}} || <!--USB-->3 OHCI EHCI || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.3 - || <!--Comments-->2007 [http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=40956&forum=48 works well] - 1 x ExpressCard/54 - SD Card slot - AO4407 test voltage of the Drain side (pins 5-8) with AC adapter and no battery, see 0 volts, connect the battery you should have 10-14v - |- | <!--Name-->v6630em v6642em || <!--Chipset-->nForce 630M with AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-58 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA GeForce 6150M or 7150M || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit 15.4 in 1280 x 800 ( WXGA ) - |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq NC6400 || <!--Chipset-->945GM Core Duo || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|GMA 950 2D issues and no 3d}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio AD1981HD}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|BCM }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros || <!--Comments-->2007 - replaced with Atheros AR5007eg if apply hacked bios RISKY else use USB g - * 32bit Core Duo T2400 * 64bit Core 2 Duo T5600 T7600 |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq NV NC6400 || <!--Chipset-->Core Duo + 945PM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Radeon x1300M (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with ADI1981 low volume}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|BCM 5753M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 ABG bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.4.2 || <!--Opinion-->2007 Harmon Kardon speakers |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq NC6320 || <!--Chipset-->945GM with * 32bit Core Duo 1.83GHz T2400 * 64bit Core2 Duo 1.83GHz T5600 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 950 2D with a little 3D tunnel 213}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel HD Audio with AD1981HD codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|BCM 5788}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2 || <!--Comments-->2007 replaced with Atheros AR5007eg if applying hacked wifi bios RISKY!! else use USB - 14.1" or 15 inch XGA 1024x768 - noisy cpu fan for core2 - trackpad rhs acts as window scroller - |- | <!--Name-->HP NC4400 TC4400 Tablet || <!--Chipset-->Core Duo with 82945 chipset || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|bios F.07 limits to 100GB 120GB}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|2D and 3D 282 tunnel and gearbox 150}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with ADI 1981HD codec via ear phones}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|BCM 5753M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 or BCM 4306 - Whitelist BIOS F.0C needed but risky}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments-->2008 64 bit possible with Core2 - TI SD card reader non bootable - wacom serial digitiser pen not working - * 32bit 1.86GHz core duo * 64bit 2Ghz T7200, 2.16Ghz Core 2 Duo T7600 2.33GHz |- | <!--Name-->HP Pavilion DV2000 CTO || <!--Chipset-->945GMS || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950, X3100, Nvidia 8400M || <!--Audio-->HD Audio Conexant CX 20549 Venice || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Nvidia MCP51 || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM 4311 or Intel 3945 4965 ABG bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 Atheros AR5007eg if apply hacked bios RISKY |- | <!--Name-->Compaq Presario C700 || <!--Chipset-->GMA960 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->X3100 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8139 || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Atheros AR5007 AR5001 AR242x}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 |- | <!--Name-->Compaq 2510p 6510b 6710b 6910b || <!--Chipset-->GMA 965GM GL960 || <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|X3100 some 2d but slow software 3d only}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio ADI AD1981 HD low volume on head phones}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82566 or Broadcom BCM 5787M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945ABG or 4965ABG bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aspire OS Xenon 2014 || <!--Comments-->2008 no sd card boot support - F9 to choose boot option - [http://forums.mydigitallife.info/threads/7681-This-is-no-request-thread!-HP-COMPAQ-bioses-how-to-modify-the-bios/page111?p=333358#post333358 whitelist removal (risky) bios block for wifi card swap] |- | <!--Name-->CQ40 CQ41 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Intel}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8101E || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BC4310 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 |- | <!--Name-->Compaq Presario CQ35 CQ36 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4312 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 Compal LA-4743P - |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq CQ42 CQ43 CQ45 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with Coxenant codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8191SE, Realtek 8188CE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 (Quanta AX1) |- | <!--Name-->Compaq Presario CQ50 CQ56 || <!--Chipset-->Nvidia MCP78S || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Geforce 8200M || <!--Audio-->nVidia HD Audio with codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->nvidia MCP77 || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR928X bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 [http://donovan6000.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/insyde-bios-modding-wifi-and-wwan-whitelists.html bios modding risky] MCP72XE MCP72P MCP78U MCP78S |- | <!--Name-->CQ60 || <!--Chipset-->Single core Sempron to dual turion || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Nvidia 8200M}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 |- | <!--Name-->HP DV6700 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{no|Vesa for Nvidia 8400M}} || <!--Audio-->{{no| }} || <!--USB-->{{no| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->CQ60 || <!--Chipset-->Intel C2D || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Nvidia 9200M}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->CQ57z || <!--Chipset-->AMD slow E-300 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA ATi HD 6310 wrestler}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek RTL8101 RTL8102}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RaLink RT5390}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->HP CQ58z 103SA E5K15EA || <!--Chipset-->AMD slow Dual-Core E1-1500 APU with A68M FCH || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Radeon HD 7310}} || <!--Audio-->Realtek idt codec || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek 10/100 BASE-T}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 39.6 cm (15.6") HD BrightView LED-backlit (1366 x 768) |- | <!--Name-->HP 635 DM1 || <!--Chipset-->AMD slow E-300, E-450 later E2-1800 on SB7x0 SB8x0 SB9x0 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->ATI non efi SATA AHCI - IDE mode || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA 2D - AMD HD6310, 6320 to HD7340}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Realtek ALC270A GR but not Wrestler HDMI Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 driver covers Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 14" 1366 x 768 - f9 f10 - external battery - 2 stacked ddr3l sodimm slots max 16Gb under one base plate - removable keyboard - |- | <!--Name-->HP G6 2000-2b10NR 2000-2d10SX 2000-2d80NR || <!--Chipset-->AMD very slow E1-2000 E2-3000M on A50M (soldered) A4-3305A on A60M (socket) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2.5in || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD Radeon 6320, 6620G, 6520G, 6480G, 6380G}} || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{No| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek 100 1000}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 39.6-cm (15.6-in) HD LED BrightView (1366×768) - 1 or 2 ddr3l max 8G - 19VDC 3.42A Max 65W Tip 7.4mm x 5.0mm - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 6465B || <!--Chipset-->AMD massively slow A6-3310MX or A6-3410MX with A60M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD 6480G or 6520G}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|IDT 92HD81B1X}} || <!--USB-->{{No| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek 8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel AC 6205 or broadcom 4313 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 13-inch or 14-inch runs hot - |- | <!--Name-->HP Elitebook 8470p 8570p || <!--Chipset-->Intel Quad i7-3840QM, i7-3610QM, i7-3520M, i5-3210M, i3-3130M, i3-2370M on Intel QM77 chipset || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|set the bios boot options to not fastboot and drive mode IDE rather than AHCI }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for HD4000 with some having switchable Radeon M2000 or 7570M}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio for IDT codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel 82579LM }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel, Broadcom, Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro-->64 bit boots from CD* if safe mode 2 is used, although it is possible to remove the 'nodma' and 'debug' entries and boot || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit with SSE4.1 and AVX - 14in 1600 x 900 to 1366 x 768 - 2 DDR3L sodimm slots max 16Gb - TPM 1.2 - dual boot 32/64 bit is working fine - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 6475b, Probook 4445s 4545s, HP Pavilion 15-b115sa, [https://support.hp.com/gb-en/document/c04015674#AbT6 HP mt41 Mobile Thin Client PC] || <!--Chipset-->AMD very slow A4 4300M, A6 4400M 4455M or A8 4500M with AMD A70M A76M FCH || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 7420 7520G 7640G 7660G}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio with idt or realtek codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek RTL8151FH-CG}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 6205 or Broadcom BCM 43228 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 15.6-inch - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->HP ENVY 15-k112nl K1Y78EA || <!--Chipset-->Intel® Core™ i7 i7-4510U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->Intel HD4400 and/without NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 850M || <!--Audio-->{{maybe| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwood usb3 test iso || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - 15.6" 768p to 1080p - 19.5V 3.33A (65w) 4.62A (90W) 6.15A (120W) AC - |- | <!--Name-->HP Pavilion Gaming Laptop 15-ak002na || <!--Chipset-->Intel 4 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GTX 950 || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 255 G1, 455 G1 F2P93UT#ABA, 645 G1, Envy 15-j151ea G7V80EA, Envy m6-1310sa (E4R01EA#ABU) || <!--Chipset-->AMD very slow Dual-Core E1-1500, or AMD Quad A4-4300M A8-4500M A10-4600M A4-5150M A6-5350M 2.9Ghz A10-5750M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for 7310, 7420G 7520G 7640G 7660G 8350G 8450G or 8550G, 8650G, 8750G }} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio IDT 92HD91 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|realtek}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 14in and 15in 1366 x 768 - external battery - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots - 19.5v / 4.62A psu runs hot - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 245 G4, 255 G2, 455 G2, 255 G3, 455 G3, 255 G4 80CB, 255 G5 82F6, 355 G2, HP Pavilion 15-p038na 15-g092sa 15-p091sa 15-G094S 15-p144na 15-p142na, 15-Af156sa || <!--Chipset-->AMD very slow A4-5000 A6-5200, E2-6110, E1-6010 E2-2000, E1-2100 E2-3800, A4-6210 A6-6310 A8-6410, E2-7110, A6-7310 A8-7410 APU on A68M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata some with cdrw dvdrw || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon R2 R4 R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio ALC3201-GR}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8102E or Atheros 1GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Qualcomm Atheros AR9565}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit most have SSE4 AVX but E2-2000 does not - 15.6-inch (1366 x 768) - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots - small 31Whr or 41Whr external battery covers 240 G4, 245 G4, 250 G4, 255 G4, 256 G4, 14G, 15G - keyboard repair swap requires removal of all components - |- | <!--Name-->HP Elitebook 725 G2, 745 G2, 755 G2 || <!--Chipset-->Amd Quad very slow A6-7050B A8-7150B 1.9GHz A10-7350B || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA on AMD R4 R5 Radeon R6 with DP and vga}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD audio with IDT 92HD91}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 PCIe GBE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom or Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 12.5-inch, 14" or 15.6in (all 1366 x 768) - 19.5V 65w 45W AC adapter - internal pull up tab battery under base which slides off - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots - keyboard swap requires removal of all components - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 645 g2, Probook 445 G2, Probook 245 G2 most have cmos rtc battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD very slow A6-8600 A8-8700 a10- || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Radeon R5 R6}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel I219V 100/1000}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel or Qualcomm Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 14in and 15.6-inch HD (1366 x 768) or FHD 1080p - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots max 16GB - internal battery - hp ac psu tip - |- | <!--Name-->HP Probook 455 G3 should have a cmos battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD slow A10-8700P || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 2.5in sata and most should have 9.5mm dvd-rw || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Radeon R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with Conexant CX7501 codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111HSH-CG}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|RTL8188EE }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP Elitebook 725 G3, 745 G3, 755 G3, 725 G4, 745 G4, 755 G4, HP mt43 || <!--Chipset-->Amd slow A8-8600B, A10-8700B, A12-8800B to Quad A8 Pro 9600B to A10 9800 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA on AMD R5 R6 R7 with DP and vga but screen is low res, dull colours, and blurry}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD audio with IDT codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom 5762 PCIe GBE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek RTL8723BE-VB}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 12.5-inch (1366 x 768) to 14" and 15.6in - 2 sodimm ddr3 - 19.5V 45W AC slim 4.5mm hp adapter - randomly shuts down and the noisy fans constantly on - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 645 G3, 655 G3 should have a cmos rtc battery underside of mb || <!--Chipset-->AMD 8th Gen slow A10-8730B, A8-9600B (4c4t) A6-8530B (2c2t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d for AMD R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel or Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 15.6in - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - keyboard repair swap requires removal of all components - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 250 G5 easy cmos and external main battery || <!--Chipset-->Intel i7-6500U, i5-6200U, i3-6100U to slow i3-6006U, N3710 all sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2D for iGPU Intel HD405 to HD520 dGPU skylake or AMD Radeon R5 430M}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek ALC3227 (or ALC282) codec 0x0282 }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' latest usb3 test iso with noacpi || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 15.6 inch 768p - HP ac psu - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 250 G6 SL52 LA-E801P - easy cmos battery and external battery || <!--Chipset-->Intel dual core tested '''i5-7200U''' untested i7-7500U to very slow N3060 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|ahci on M.2 sata or 2.5in sata3 whichever installed with 1 m.2 sata3 permanent and internal dvdrw}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|IG: 480p to 1080p 2D for Intel Intel HD Graphics 620 kabylake or AMD Radeon 520}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio 0x8086, 0xa170 or 0x8086, 0x9dc8 with ALC3227 aka ALC282 codec 0x10EC, x0282}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|intel sunrise point-lp USB3.0 xHCI}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RTL8821CE or Intel wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' latest usb3 D03 test iso with noacpi || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit 768p or 1080p - 19.5V 65W - 2 DDR4 sodimm slots max 16Gb - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - poor hinges and build quality - |- | <!--Name-->HP Pavilion 14-BS, HP 15-BS LA-E802P cmos battery and external battery || <!--Chipset-->Intel i3-7200U to slow Celeron || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata 2.5in (possibly requires the drive cable and M.2 sata3, most have no cdrw dvdrw}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d for Intel}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x8086, 0x9d70 with ALC codec 0x10EC, x0}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RTL8188CTV, RTL8821CE or Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 3168}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' latest usb3 test iso || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit 768p all - 19.5V 65W - DDR4 slot max 8Gb - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->HP 14-bw022na - cmos coin battery and external battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD very slow A6-9120 APU || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->m.2 sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for R3}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HDAudio VOID with conexant CX7501 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 not working but port on the right works}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' latest usb3 test iso with noacpi || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit 768p to 900p - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP Probook 455 G4, Probook 455 G5, cmos battery on underside of mb take off back cover and below wifi card || <!--Chipset-->AMD very slow A10-9600P APU, A9-9410, A6-9210 APU || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon R4, R5 or R6}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|realtek 1GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|realtek or intel Wireless-AC 7265}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit 15.6in 768p - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - keyboard swap problematic - rr03xl battery - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 255 G6 (), easy cmos and external battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD very slow E2-9000e, A9-9420, 9220P, A4-9125 (all 2c) AMD A6-9225 AMD A9-9425 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata 2.5in (possibly requires the drive cable and M.2 sata3 and internal cdrw dvdrw}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d for R2 R3 R4}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x1022, 0x157a or 0x1002, 0x15b3 with ALC codec 0x10EC, x0}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RTL8188CTV, RTL8821CE or Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 3168}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit 768p all - 19.5V 65W - DDR4 slot max 8Gb - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 255 G7 (la-g078p) - no cmos battery so needs internal battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD very slow E2-9000e, A9-9420, 9220P, A4-9125 (all 2c) AMD A6-9225 AMD A9-9425 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata 2.5in (possibly requires the drive cable and M.2 sata3, most have no internal cdrw dvdrw}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d for R2 R3 R4}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x1022, 0x157a or 0x1002, 0x15b3 with ALC codec 0x10EC, x0}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RTL8188CTV, RTL8821CE or Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 3168}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit 768p all - 19.5V 65W - DDR4 slot max 8Gb - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->ProBook 245 g8 - no cmos rtc coin battery but uses internal battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD very slow A6-9225, A4-9125, A6-8350B, A4-5350B APU || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->m.2 sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA R4 R6}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HDAudio}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' latest usb3 test iso || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit 768p - many later variants - keyboard swap problematic - |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Probook 255 G7 84AE 7DE72EA 7DE73EA (epv51 la-g076p) - CMOS Error (502) replace main internal battery HT03XL to have bios remember settings || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 2200U 2300U (2c4t), R5 2500U, R7 2700U (4c8t) Raven Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|M.2 (Sata or NVMe) and very optional 2.5in sata, most have mini sata port}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d 640p to 768p for AMD Vega 3, 6, or 8}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio 0x1022, 0x15e3 with ALC236 0x10ec, 0x0236 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek RTL8821CE, 8822BE or Intel AC 8265}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS x64 deadwoods' iso does not boot with cd/dvd and installed to 2.5in ssd, boots to grub choice, select but no further and reboots || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit - 12.5 to 15.6in 768p mostly to 1080p - 1 on smaller laptops or 2 ddr4 2400mhz sodimm slots on larger laptops max 16Gb - hp 4.5mm blue tip charging - keyboard swap problematic - esc boot options f9 boot order f10 bios - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteBook 725 G5, 735 G5, 745 G5, 755 G5, Probook 455 G6, ProBook 645 G6 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 2200U 2300U (2c4t), R5 2500U, R7 2700U (4c8t) Raven Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|M.2 (Sata or NVMe) and very optional 2.5in sata, some have mini sata port but no cdrw dvdrw}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d 640p to 768p for AMD Vega 3, 6, or 8}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x1022, 0x15e3 with ALC 0x10ec, 0x0 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek RTL8821CE, 8822BE or Intel AC 8265}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit - 12.5 to 15.6in 768p mostly to 1080p - 1 on smaller laptops or 2 ddr4 2400mhz sodimm slots on larger laptops max 16Gb - hp 4.5mm blue tip charging - keyboard swap problematic - esc boot options f9 boot order f10 bios - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->HP 14-cm, 15-bw0, HP 15-db0043na, HP 15-db0996na, HP 15-db0997na, 17-ca0007na, 17-ca1, ProBook 645 G4 - no cmos battery || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 2200U (2c 4t) 2500U (4c 8t) with AMD Carrizo FCH 51 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|1 M.2 and 1 2.5in on some larger models and hdd port }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon R5 and later Vega 3 or 7}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDaudio 0x1002, 0x103c or 0x1022, 0x157a with Realtek ALC3227 0x10ec, 0x0282 but ATI HDMI}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|USB3 USB boot drive stuck on kitty's eyes}} || <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 RTL8111E || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RTL 8723DE 8821 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->2020 Icaros 2.3 USB, Deadwoods' latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit 2kg - screen is dim 14in, 15.6in or 17.3" 768p or 1080p - 65W 19.5V ac adapter - internal 3-cell 41 Wh Li-ion battery does not last long - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - no DVD-Writer - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 250 G7, 250 G8 - no cmos battery so needs internal battery and needs usb3 boot due to garbage bios boot options || <!--Chipset-->Intel 8235U 8265U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|M.2 nvme not working, optional sata 2.5in requires LS-G072P and ribbon cable, if internal cdrw dvdrw partial boot}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Intel Whiskey Lake-U 620 GT2 UHD}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x8086, 0xa170 or 0x8086, 0x9dc8 with ALC236 codec 0x10EC, x0236}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|Cannon Point-LP USB3.1 xHCI}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RTL8821CE or Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 3168}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' latest usb3 test 2026.09.D01 iso works but does not boot stuck on kittys eyes if burnt to dvdr || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit 1080p all - 19.5V 65W - DDR4 slot max 16Gb - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - f9 boot order f10 uefi - |- | <!--Name-->HP 255 G7 7DC73EA 2D200EA 87CE (fpp55 la-g07jp), - CMOS Error (502) replace 41.04Wh ht03xl hto3xl dynapack suzhou main battery to have bios remember settings || <!--Chipset-->'''tested''' R5 3500U (4c8t) '''untested''' mostly dual cores - AMD Athlon Gold 3150U (2c2t), Silver 3050U APU (2c2t), Ryzen 3 Pro 3145U APU, 3200U (2c4t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|1 m.2 NVMe or sata3 up to 2280, optional 2.5in sata, many have mini-sata slimline 6+7 internal port but no physical 9mm drive}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D from 640p to 1080p for AMD Vega 3, 6 or 8 with up to 2gb ram taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio 0x1022, 0x15e3 with realtek ALC236 codec 0x10ec, 0x0236}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 but no usb-c}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek GbE RTL8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek 8822BE}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 Aros One 32bit and 64bit usb works sometimes but burnt dvdr iso does not fully boot (stuck on kitty's eyes) || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14in / 15.6in dim tn panel 768p or 1080p - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots max 16gb - hp 19.5V 45W 65W AC blue tip round 4.5 mm - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - caps lock blinking 3 times then 2 quick pulses means ram or bios issue - f9 boot order f10 uefi - laptop needs usb3 to boot |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 450 G5 needs main battery for bios settings saved || <!--Chipset-->Intel i7-8550U, i5-8250U, i3-8130U, i7-7500U, i5-7200U, i3-7100U, i3-7020, i3-6006U all sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2D for Intel UHD}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' latest usb3 test iso with noacpi || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 15.6 inch 768p or 1080p - HP ac psu, 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - |- | <!--Name-->[https://support.hp.com/gb-en/document/c06955717 ProBook 245 g8], Probook 445R G6, 455R G6, HP14-dk0599sa, pavilion 15-cw1511na 15-cw1507sa, HP 15s-eq1516sa no cmos battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon Gold 3150U (2c2t), Silver 3050U APU (2c2t), Ryzen 3 Pro 3145U APU, 3200U (2c4t) and 3500U (4c8t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|1 m.2 (NVMe or sata3 up to 2280), optional 2.5in sata but resets}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D from 640p to 1080p for AMD Vega 3, 6 or 8 with up to 2gb ram taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio 0x1022, 0x15e3 with realtek ALC codec 0x10ec, 0x0}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek GbE RTL8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek 8822BE}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aros || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14in / 15.6in dim tn panel 768p or 1080p - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots max 16gb - hp 19.5V 45W 65W AC blue tip round 4.5 mm - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - f9 boot order f10 uefi |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 450 G6 needs main battery for bios settings saved || <!--Chipset-->Intel i7-8565U, i5-8265U, i3-8165U all sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2D for Intel UHD 620}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek ALC3246 aka ALC295 codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 15.6 inch 768p or 1080p - 45W 19.5V HP ac psu - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->Elitebook 735 G6 5VA23AV, Elitebook 745 G6, 255 g8, HP 15s-dy - no cmos battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD® Ryzen™ 5-3500U Ryzen 3-3300U AMD Ryzen 3-3250U AMD Athlon® Gold 3150U AMD Athlon Silver 3050U AMD 3020e || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|m.2 2280 nvme in legacy - hp sure start and secure boot disabled but still issues with gpt installs - LS-H323P LS-K201P}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Vega 8, 5 or 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 6.34 ahi with realtek ALC codec 0x10EC, 0x0295}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 type-A port boots stick partially to kitty eyes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|rtl8169 realtek RTL8111E or 8111H}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|realtek or intel}} || <!--Test Distro-->2020 Icaros 2.3 onto USB and AROS One 1.8 USB, Deadwoods' latest usb3 test iso with noacpi || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 15.6in 1366x768 to 1920x1080 - 2 3200MHz DDR4 sodimms - 19.5V 2.31A or 20V 2.25 45W 4.5X3.0MM hp - esc bios setup, f9 boot device select - low travel keyboard - poor hw03xl or battery life - plastic hooked base with retained screws - touchpad? - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 445 G7, 455 G7 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 4300U 5 4500U 4700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 sata and 1 nvme || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with realtek alc236 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|realtek rtl8111ep}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|realtek RTL8822CE or intel AC 9260 or Wi-Fi 6 AX200}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' latest usb3 test iso || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 14 inch 768p or 1080p - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - smart 45w 65w hp or usb-c charging - keyboard swap problematic - RE03XL battery - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 450 G7 || <!--Chipset-->Intel || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2D for Intel UHD}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111EP}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' latest usb3 test iso with noacpi || <!--Comments-->2020 15.6 inch 768p or 1080p - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteBook 745 G7, 845 G7, HP 15-EH0006NA || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 4300U, 5 4500U, PRO 4650U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->SSD M.2 || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD Radeon Vega 8}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|Hdaudio with codec 0x10EC, 0x0257}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 15.6in 1080p - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - Bang & Olufsen speakers - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 255 G8, HP 245 G9, ProBook 255 G9 816C2EA#ABE, - no cmos battery only internal battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD RYZEN 3 5300u, 5425U, 5 5500U 5625U, 7 5700u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|NVMe}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD Vega 6 or 8 hdmi 1.4B}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111HSH-CG GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8822CE or Intel}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 14" to 15.6in 768p to 1080p poor gamut - 45 or 65w hp psu - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots max 16GB - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 450 G9 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2D for Intel Iris Xe}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111H}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 15.6 inch - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteBook 645 g7, 835 G8, 845 g8, HP ENVY x360 13 15, HP 17-cp0021na || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 5650U, 7 5800U, R7 Pro 5850U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD Radeon}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio 0x, 0x with ALC3247 aka ALC236 codec 0x10ec, 0x0236}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek 1Gbe on 645 only}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 13.3" or 14" 1080p - poor screens low nits and srgb score - 845 gets hot ue to poor cooling - slim round hp ac - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP Dev One, HP ProBook 455 G8 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 7 5800U, R7 5850U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit 15.6" 1080p - 2 internal sodimm slots - hp barrel charging - |- | <!--Name-->Elitebook 655 g9 669y1ut#aba, || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 5675U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit 15.6" 1080p - 1 or 2 internal sodimm slots - usb-c charging - |- | <!--Name-->HP probook 635 Aero G8 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 5600U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2921 64bit - 14in 1080p - 2 ddr4 slots - ec chip nuvoton NPCX797HA1B - bios winbond 250256JYEN - |- | <!--Name-->HP PROBOOK X360 435 G8 cmos battery || <!--Chipset-->RYZEN 5 5600U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2D }} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HDaudio with ALC236 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|RTL8822CE or Intel AX200}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - hp round ac plug - |- | <!--Name-->HP Elitebook 845 g9 || <!--Chipset-->AMD 6000 series 6850u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->M.2 NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 8}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }}Qualcomm Atheros || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit aluminum case - 14in 1080p to 2140p 16:10 poor screen again - 2 internal ddr5 sodimm slots - usb-c ac charging avoid any knocks - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 445 G10, 455 G10 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 7530U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Vega 7 || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 15.6in - hp round ac - |- | <!--Name-->Hp 455 G11 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 7335U (4c8t), 5 7535U (6c12t), 7 7735U (8c16t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Vega 7 || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 35.6 cm (14.0 in) 1920x1200 or 2560x1600 - usb-c 45w or 65w ac - 2 ddr5 sodimm slots max 32gb - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |} ====IBM/Lenovo==== [[#top|...to the top]] Build quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > iSeries Edge Ideapad Thinkpad - good cases and construction but electronic internals same as anyone else </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad 390X 390E (2626) || <!--Chipset-->Neo Magic MM2200 with C400 P2-266 to P3 500MHz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use VESA || <!--Audio-->{{No|256AV or ESS Solo-1}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad 600x || <!--Chipset-->Intel 440BX || <!--IDE-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Neomagic NM2360 MagicMedia 256ZX}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|Crystal CS4297A codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.3.1 || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit a little support - earlier 600 and 600e were Pentium 2 based |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X20 (2662-32U) X21 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 440 BX ZX DX || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio-->{{no|AC97 with Cirrus Logic Crystal cs4281}} || <!--USB-->1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->no mini pci intel e100 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit |- | Thinkpad T20 (2647) T21 (26) T22 || 440BX || {{Maybe| }} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|Savage IX-MV (VESA only)}} || {{no|Cirrus Logic CS 4614/22/ 24/30}} || {{yes|USB 1.1}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2002 32bit |- | <!--Name-->A21e (2628, 2655) A22e || <!--Chipset-->440MX || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Ati rage mobility || <!--Audio-->{{no|AC97 Cs4299 CS4229}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->intel e100 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2002 |- | Thinkpad T23 (2647) || i810 || {{yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|S3 Super Savage IX/C SDR (VESA only)}} || {{maybe|AC'97 CS4299}} || {{yes|USB 1.1}} || {{yes|Intel ICH3 PRO 100 VE}} || {{no|Realtek RTL8180L others with bios hacking risky}} || || 2003 32bit with some support |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X22 X23 X24 || <!--Chipset-->830 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ATi Mobility M6 LY || <!--Audio-->Ac97 CS4299 || <!--USB-->2 x 1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->Intel Pro 100 || <!--Wireless-->Actiontec Harris Semi Intersil Prism 2.5 (X23 and X24 only) || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit with slice Ultrabase X2 - |- | <!--Name-->A30 A30p || <!--Chipset-->830 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Ati Radeon M6 || <!--Audio-->AC97 CS 4299 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel Pro 100 ve || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 2200 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit |- | <!--Name-->A31 A31p R31 R32 T30 || <!--Chipset-->830 || <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Gfx-->Ati Radeon 7500 or FireGL || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 Intel with AD1881A codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes| Intel Pro 100 ve}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->[https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Android-Ecosystem-Developers/AROS-An-operation-system-inside-Android/td-p/1441741 Icaros 1.5.2] || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit Also tested with Icaros 2.0.3. |- | Thinkpad X30 (2673) X31 (2884-xx2) X31t || i830 || {{yes}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|VESA only Radeon M6 Mobility}} || {{yes|AC97 - AD1981B codec}} || {{yes|USB 1.1}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || {{no|Cisco Aironet or Intel 2915 but atheros with bios hacking}} || Icaros 1.4 || 2004 32bit sound bit distorted |- | <!--Name-->R50e R51 || <!--Chipset-->855M || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Intel 855M use VESA}} || <!--Audio-->intel AC97 with AD1981B codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Intel 100 VE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit - |- | IBM Thinkpad T40 (2373) T41 T41p (2379) T42 T42p T43 T43p || Intel 8xx || {{partial|PIO}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|ATI mobility 7500 9000 (VESA only)}} || {{yes|AC97 playback}} || {{yes|uhci 1.1 and ehci 2.0}} || {{no|e1000}} || {{Maybe|Intel 2200bg bios locked but possible AR5BMB-44 AR5212 FRU 39T0081 mini PCI}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2004 32bit 16v IBM plug - Centrino Needs ATA=nodma option - issues with the inner chip of the SMT BGA graphics chip |- | Thinkpad X32 || i855 || {{yes|40, 60 or 80GB 2.5" PATA HDD}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|VESA only ATI Mobility Radeon 7000 with 16MB}} || {{maybe| Intel AC'97 Audio with a AD1981B codec}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{no|Intel 1000}} || {{no|Intel 2200 but atheros with bios hacking}} || 2016 Icaros 2.1 || 2004 32bit - 12.1" TFT display with 1024x768 resolution; 256 or 512MB PC2700 memory standard (2GB max) |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X40 X40t by Quanta || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Intel 800 (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 AD1981B}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel e1000}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Intel but most atheros with bios hacking - difficult though}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit last IBM design |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X41 (IBM) MT 1864 1865 2525 2526 2527 2528 x41t (Lenovo) MT 1866 1867 || <!--Chipset-->Intel with single core 1.5 1.6 and tablet 1.2GHz || <!--IDE-->{{yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel 915GML 2D}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 AD1981B}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5751M tg3}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Intel or MiniPCI Wi-Fi Atheros AR5BMB FRU 39T0081 but ordinary atheros 54meg needs risky bios hacking}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit - amongst first Lenovo design - 3pin cmos - |- | <!--Name-->R52 (most 18xx) || <!--Chipset-->Intel 915 || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel 915GML 2D}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 AD1981B}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit |- | <!--Name-->R52 1846, 1847, 1848, 1849, 1850, 1870 || <!--Chipset-->ATi 200m || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{No|ATI}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 AD1981B}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5751M tg3}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad T60 T60P * 64bit - 6 or 8 is 16:10 on T60/p, eg. 8742-CTO 15.4" * 32bit - 1 and 2 are 14", 15" 4:3, like 2007-YM3 or 1952-CTO || <!--Chipset-->*any* T60/p will take a Core 2 Duo CPU with newer BIOS || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA (2D) with "p" graphics card (ATi V5200 or V5250) || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || {{no|e1000e 82573L}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel ipw3945 ABG but atheros with Middleton's or Zender BIOS hacking risky}} || Icaros 1.4 || <!--Comments-->2006 - |- | <!--Name-->X60 x60s x60t tablet || <!--Chipset-->945GMS 940GML || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|AD1981 HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel 3945 ABG or fru 39T5578 Atheros 5K AR5BXB6 ar5007eg with bios hacking}} || <!--Comments-->Icaros 1.4 || 2006 32bit - perhaps needs a zendered bios update but risky |- | <!--Name-->R60 R60e || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->intel 950 with optional radeon x1300 x1400 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with 1981HD codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel or Broadcom || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Intel 3945 or atheros fru 39T5578 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit |- | Thinkpad T61 T61p without Middleton's or Zender BIOS || Core 2 Duo CPU T7300 T8300 || {{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || Intel GMA (2D), NVS 140m or Quadro FX 570M () || {{maybe|HD Audio with Analog Devices AD1984 or AD1984A HD Audio Codec routed to the line output}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || {{no|intel e1000e 82573L}} || {{No|Intel but atheros with bios hacking risky}} || Icaros 1.6, AROS One || 2007 64bit |- | <!--Name-->X61 x61s X61T Tablet || <!--Chipset-->Core Duo T8100 on i965 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 3100 (2D) slow 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|AD1984 HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82566DM}} || <!--Wireless-->{{maybe|Atheros AR5212 (some revisions use Intel WLAN runs very hot) bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->2007 64bit ultrabook running very hot - ddr2 max 4gb - 3pin cmos - |- | <!--Name-->R61 R61i || <!--Chipset-->Intel 965 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->intel 965 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with conexant codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom BCM5787M || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit |- | Lenovo 3000 N200 || <!--Chipset-->Santa Rosa || {{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || {{yes|Geforce 7300 (2D)}} || {{yes|ALC262 HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || {{no|Broadcom}} || {{no|Intel 3945 bios locked}} || Icaros 1.4 || 2007 64bit 3D graphics parts are supported but buggy. |- | Lenovo 3000 N200 / V200 || GM965 ICH9-M with Intel Mobile Core 2 Duo T5450 || {{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || {{yes|X3100 (2D)}} || {{Maybe|HD Audio ALC269VB or CX20549}} || {{yes| }} || {{no|BCM5906M}} || {{no|Intel 3965 / 4965AGN bios locked}} || Icaros 1.4.1 2.1 || 2007 64bits of laptop works |- | <!--Name-->X300 || <!--Chipset-->Core 2 Duo Merom SL7100 1.2GHz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1.8 inch || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Intel X3100}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio AD1984A || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 4965 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit 13.3" TFT 1440x900 (WXGA+) with LED backlight |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad Edge 11″ AMD K325 || <!--Chipset-->M880G || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA for ATI HD4200}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|8192CE (Realtek 8176) bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 little support |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X301 || <!--Chipset-->Core 2 Duo Penryn SU9400 Su9600 with GM45 chipset || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1.8 inch micro SATA (uSATA) || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Intel X4500}} || <!--Audio-->AD1984A || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 5xxx WiFi link 5100, 5150, 5300 and 5350 (WiMAX) bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 WXGA+ (1440×900) LED backlight display - 2774 or 4057 Alps and 2776 Synaptics touchpad - optical bay interface is Legacy IDE (PATA) - Addonics ADMS18SA, Lycom ST-170m |- | <!--Name-->X100e || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon Neo Single-Core (MV-40) and dual cores || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|2.5in tray in ide mode in bios}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa ATI HD3200}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio with CX20582 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek r8192se bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit 11.6in 1366 x 768 - 20v 65W round barrel - enter f1 setup f11 diagnostics f12 boot list - runs very warm - |- | <!--Name-->SL400 SL500 || Intel || {{N/A}} || {{Yes|IDE mode}} || {{Maybe|Nvidia 9400M}} || {{Maybe|ALC269}} || {{yes|USB 2.0}} || {{Maybe|RTL8169}} || {{Maybe| bios locked}} || || |- | <!--Name-->SL410 SL510 || 965 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|IDE mode}} || {{maybe|Intel GMA X4500M (some 2D)}} || {{yes|HD Audio with ALC269 codec - speaker and ear phones}} || {{yes|USB 2.0}} || {{yes|RTL8169}} || {{Maybe| bios locked}} || [http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=645774&postcount=28 Icaros 1.3] || 2009 64bit SL-410 |- | <!--Name-->T400 ODM Wistron || <!--Chipset-->i || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Intel 4500MHD works limited 2d no 3d - optional switchable Nvidia or ATi HD3470 untested}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with Codec CX20561 (T400)}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel e1000e}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel Wifi Link 5100 (AGN) half height card with FRU 43Y6493 or 5300 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit 20v lenovo plug - non-free firmware required iwlwifi |- | <!--Name-->T400s || <!--Chipset-->i || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VSEA for Intel 4500MHD works limited 2d no 3d}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with CX20585}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel e1000e}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel Wifi Link 5100 (AGN) half height card with FRU 43Y6493 or 5300 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit non-free firmware required iwlwifi |- | <!--Name-->Lenovo T500 T510 || <!--Chipset-->i || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA for switchable Intel / AMD HD 3640}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|Intel HD Audio with a CX20561 (t500) and CX20585 (T510) codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel or Lenovo branded unit Atheros AR5007EG AR5BHB63 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit |- | <!--Name-->X200 ODM Wistron [http://itgen.blogspot.co.uk/2008/12/installing-arch-linux-on-lenovo.html X200s] and x200t tablet model without [http://fsfe.soup.io/post/590865884/the-unconventionals-blog-English-Flashing-Libreboot-on Risky flash of the Libreboot BIOS] || <!--Chipset-->GM45 GS45 with slow Celeron, SU or faster SL Core 2 Duos CPUs || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe||Intel GMA 4500 MHD 2D but slow software 3D tunnel 10 gearbox 8 tests}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel HD Audio with Conexant CX20561 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{{Yes|USB 2.0 USB SD card reads and writes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82567LM Gigabit}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel Pro 5100 5150 5300 5350 AGN due to whitelist prevention bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.0.1 || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit 12.1" CCFL (webcam version) or LED backlit (no webcam). no support for 54mm express cards or Authentec 2810 fingerprint reader - thinkpoint only no trackpad - 3pin cmos - |- | <!--Name-->Lenovo T410 T410s T410si || <!--Chipset-->qm57 with i5 m || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|use vesa Intel 5700MHD (Ironlake) core processor igp with optional Nvidia Quadro NVS 3100M}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio Conexant CX20585 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82577lm gigabit}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Intel n 6200 or Atheros AR9280 AR5BHB92 half size minipcie bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.2 xmas || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit battery life much lower with Nvidia graphics version - no support firewire ricoh r5c832 - ricoh sd card - series 5 3400 |- | <!--Name-->X201 X201s x201t || <!--Chipset-->QM57 Core i3 370m, i5 M520 2.4GHz or i7 620LM 2.0GHz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|vesa 2d on Intel GMA HD}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel HD with [https://ae.amigalife.org/index.php?topic=94.0 Conexant 20585] codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2010 X201 arrandale power consumption limits battery life to 3-4 hours for 48Whr though to 6 on 72Whr - 12.5" WXGA - 3pin cmos - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Ideapad B470, B570, V370, V470, V570 || <!--Chipset-->Intel® Core™ i5 i5-2430M, i5-2450M, || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d for Intel || <!--Audio-->HDaudio 0x8086, 0x1c20 with codec || <!--USB-->USB3 || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|whitelisted}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - 14in or 15.6in 768p - |- | <!--Name-->T420 type 4180 4236, t420s , T520 4239 L520 || <!--Chipset-->i5 2540, 2520 or i7 2860QM 2620 has sse4.1 avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS but not AHCI}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 136 x 768 - Intel HD 3000 with optional NVS 4200M Nvidia optimus or Radeon HD 565v }} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio playback ear phones only with Conexant CX20672 codec - AHI 6.27}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel PRO 1000 82579LM}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek 1x1, Intel Ultimate-N 6205 6250 2x2 6300 3x3 all bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.2.2 add noacpi to grub boot options || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - screen 1600x900 or 1366x768 - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots max 16gb - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad W520 || <!--Chipset--> has sse4.1 avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Intel HD 3000 with nvidia quadro 1000m 2000m optimus issues with Nvidia Intel hybrids}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel Hd with CX 20585 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel 82579 Lm}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 6000s}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - 15.6" TFT display with 1366x768 (HD), 1600x900 (HD+) or 1920x1080 (FHD) resolution with LED backlight |- | <!--Name-->X220 x220t || <!--Chipset-->QM67 express, dual i5 2520M or i7 dual 2620M sse4.1 avx support || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS but not AHCI}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D 1024 x 768 for Intel HD Graphics 3000}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Intel HD playback with Conexant 20672 codec ear phones and speaker - AHI 6.27 6.34}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel 82579LM}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6205 Wi-Fi bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3, Aros One USB 1.6 || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit possible - uses slimmer 7 mm storage sata devices - NEC USB 3.0 on i7's - unwanted trackpad gestures when palms rests on it - 2 ddr3 sodimm slots - external battery - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X120e, x121e Quanta FL8A DAFL8AMB8D0 Rev D || <!--Chipset-->Hudson M1 with slow AMD E350 has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA ATI 0x9802}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ATI SBx00 Azalia HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->USB 2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->RTL8169 RTL8111 || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom 0x0576 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit 11.6 inch screen - 1 inch think - chiclet keyboard |- | <!--Name-->Ideapad S205 G575 G585, Edge 11 E325 || <!--Chipset-->Slow E-350 later E-450 with A75 or AMD Athlon II Neo has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA HD6310}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - removeable and plug in battery - 2pin CR2032 CMOS battery - |- | <!--Name-->Ideapad S206 || <!--Chipset-->AMD E300 1.3GHZ Dual has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel HD Audio with CX20672 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|3.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom 10/100 || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 11.6" and integrated battery - Conexant® |- | <!--Name-->Lenovo x130e or x131e edu || <!--Chipset-->Slow AMD E-300 or E-450 has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon HD 6310 or 6320 }} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio Realtek ALC269VC / ALC3202 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|USB 30 and USB 20}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek RTL8111 RTL8168B}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8188CE or Broadcom BCM43228 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - rubber edged bumper for K12 education market - 2pin CR2032 CMOS battery - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad Edge E135 E335 || <!--Chipset-->amd dual E-300, E2-1800 or E2-2000 slow atom like A68M FCH has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|SATA 3.0Gb/s 2.5" wide 7mm high}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA radeon 6310 or 7340 vga or hdmi}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HDAudio with Realtek ALC3202 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|2 usb3, 1 powered usb2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 8111f}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek WLAN whitelist bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 11.6 inch to 13.3in 1366x768 - Acrylonitrile-Butadiene-Styrene (ABS) plastic case - external battery - 20v 65w lenovo barrel ac - 2 ddr3 sodimm 8Gb max - |- | <!--Name-->ThinkPad Edge E525 E535 LENOVO IDEAPAD Z575 || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-3420M A8-3500M later A8-4500M has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD 6620G later 7640G}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with Conexant codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|USB2 but not usb3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek 8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 15.6in 1368 x 768 matt - 65W 20v lenovo round psu - thick desktop replacement - ThinkPad Edge E520 E520S E525 E530 E545 E535 E530C Laptop Keyboard swap - |- | <!--Name-->T430 t430i T530 || <!--Chipset-->ivy bridge i5 3320 3230m on Intel QM77 has sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 1366 x 768 for Intel HD 4000 with optional Nvidia 5400M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel HD with Realtek ALC3202 aka ALC269VC codec playback ear head phones - HDA 6.27}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB 2 ports and usb2.0 devices thru usb 3.0 ports}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel e1000}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Intel or Atheros AR9285 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit fan noise and chiclet keyboard, synaptics trackpad - HD+ 768p - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X230 x230t || <!--Chipset-->Intel QM67 express i5 has sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel HD with ALC269 aka ALC3202}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|I}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit - 12.2 in 1366 x 768 - 2 ddr3 sodimm slots - external battery - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad T440 t440s t440p T540 L440 L540 || <!--Chipset-->intel haswell 8 series Core i3 to i7 has sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA - Intel 4600 or Nvidia}} || <!--Audio-->Intel HD with Realtek ALC3232 alc269 codec or ALC292 || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel AC 7260 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - 14 and 15" models with glitchy trackpad and no physical buttons - keyboard repair not easy as well as 4 variants of key caps - 2pin CR2032 CMOS battery - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X240 x240t ultrabook TN (20AL0081GE), HD IPS display without touch (20AL007NGE) and touch (20AL0076GE) but all 65% sRGB || <!--Chipset-->haswell i7-4600U i5 4200U 4210U 4300U i3-4100U - two batteries, one internal 3cell 45N1110 (45N1111) or 45N1112 (FRU 45N1113) and external 3 / 6cell 45N1126 (FRU 45N1127) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2.5in 7mm sata (torq t7), m.2 2242 in WWAN slot (m and b key NGFF Sata) || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA for Intel 4400 for vga or mini-dp}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x8086, 0x0a0c 0x8086, 0x9c20 with Realtek ALC3232 aka ALC292 0x10ec, 0x0292}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel® 82577LM Gigabit (Hanksville) }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Intel 7260n I218-V or I218-LM bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One USB || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - 12.2in 1366 x 768 or 1080p - 1 ddr3l sodimm slot - no keyboard spill drainage and at least 2 variants of key caps - lenovo rectangle pwr ac - TPM 1.2 - Bluetooth 4.0 no support - bottom panel with 8 retained screws - 2pin CR2032 CMOS battery - |- | <!--Name-->ThinkPad Edge E545 * key cap swap with E440 E531 E540 L440 L450 T431S T440S T440P T540 * Keyboard swap L540 T540p W540 Edge E531 E540 W541 T550 W550S L560 P50S T560 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Socket FS1r2 A6-5350M (2c2t) or A8-4500M, A8-5550M, A10-5750M (4c4t) with A76M FCH has sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2.5in 9.5mm - enter UEFI bios with Enter or ESC, config section, sata into compatibility and security, secure boot disabled - mini sata DVD burner PLSD DS8A9SH || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD 7640G, 8450G, 8550G, 8650G ?? Islands}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|VOID for HDAudio 6.34 0x1022, 0x780d with Conexant CX20590 Analog 0x14f1, 0x506e CX20671 codec 0x14f1, 0x5069 or audio over Trinity HDMI}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|boots pen drives from yellow usb port but not from blue USB3 ones, issues with AMD usb3 hardware quirks}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 1GbE 8111F}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM43142 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 2.3 USB works with noacpi added to end of grub2 boot line but not booting on AROS One 64bit 1.1 via usb2 stick or iso burnt to dvd || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit - 15.6in 1366 x 768 matt - 20v 65w 90w round lenovo plug psu - 2 DDR3 SODIMM slots 16GB Max - external 6 Cell Li-Ion Battery 48Wh l11s6y01 45n1043 - 2pin CR2032 CMOS battery in wifi area jp1202 - amd v(tm) virtualization not working - |- |<!--Name-->Y50-70 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 4 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->GTX 860M or GTX 960M || <!--Audio-->HDAudio || <!--USB-->USB3 || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit - |- |<!--Name-->AMD platform codes *Beema: ABM, *Carizzo-L: ACL, *Carizzo: ACZ, *Godavari: AGR, *Kaveri: AKV, *Stoney Ridge: ASR, *Stoney Ridge: AST (NB), || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> *Summit Ridge: ASU, *Bristol Ridge-L: ABL, *Bristol Ridge: ABR, *Raven Ridge: ARR, *Picasso: API |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo ThinkPad P50 || <!--Chipset-->Intel i7-6820HQ || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->Quadro M2000M || <!--Audio-->HDAudio || <!--USB-->USB3 || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->[https://www.laptop-schematics.com/db/78/V%20series%20laptops%20(Lenovo)/ V110-14AST (14in) V110-15AST, V110-14ISK V110-15ISK 80TL (15")], || <!--Chipset-->AMD E1-9000, A6-9210 to A9-9410 all dual core and intel 6006u, 6100u, 6200u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 2.5in sata most 7mm some 9.5mm || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD R2, R3, R5 or R6 or Intel Gfx}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 14in to 15.6in mostly 768p 220 nits - 20v 45W or 65W lenovo slim rectangle end ac - keyboard swap hard - integrated 24WHr battery - 4gb ddr4 ram soldered and 1 2133Mhz ddr4 slot max 12Gb - abs plastic - |- |<!--Name--> *ThinkPad A275 12in (1 ddr4 1866MHz sodimm) *Thinkpad A475 14in (2 ddr4 1866MHz sodimm) - both internal (main) and external (secondary) battery || <!--Chipset-->A10-8730B A10-9700B 2.500Ghz later A12-8830B A12-9800B all 4c4t (AVX2 on 9000s) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|7mm 2.5in sata with mbr and not gpt, setup in another machine - secure boot disabled, bios startup boot set to legacy then uefi - WWAN slot cannot use M.2 2242 sata with M and B key}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD R5 or R7}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 6.34 ahi 0x1022, 0x157a with ALC3268 aka ALC298 codec 0x10ec, 0x0298 - VOID even with QUERY / QUERYD added}} || <!--USB-->{{no|USB3 error on boot suspect AMD usb3 quirk}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 RTL8111EPV}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8822BE WLAN whitelist locked cannot swap}} || <!--Test Distro-->{{maybe|AROSOne USB 32bit 1.8 with noacpi noapic noioapic added to grub2 boot line but Aros One 64bit 1.2 USB has krnPanic }} || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit 12 or 14in 768p - 45W or 65w lenovo rectangle ac adapter - F1 enter bios and F12 boot order - 6 retained screws and snap on base - 2100 error message no solution except using only efi/gpt bios option - |- |<!--Name-->320S-15AST, 320S-15ABR, ideapad Slim 1-11AST-05 81VR || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-9220e, AMD A6-9225, A9-9425, A10-9600P 7th Gen || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata 2.5in}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe| Vesa 2D for AMD}} || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Qualcomm Atheros QCA9377 or Realtek RTL8821CE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit AVX2 - 14in or 15.6" 768p - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo Ideapad S145-14AST S145-15AST 81N3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-9225, A9-9425, A10-9600P 7th Gen, AMD A12-9720P Mobo 5B20P11110 NMB341 Bristol Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata 2.5in}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon 8670A 8670M 8690M GCN 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Qualcomm Atheros QCA9377 or Realtek RTL8821CE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit AVX2 - 14in or 15.6" 768p or 1080p - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo Ideapad V145-14AST V145-15AST, 81mt, Ideapad 310, Ideapad 320-15ABR, Ideapad 330-14AST 330-15AST 330-17AST || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-9225, A9-9425 (2c2t), A10-9600P 7th Gen, AMD A12-9720P Mobo 5B20P11110 NMB341 Bristol Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata 2.5in with optional dvd}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon 8670A 8670M 8690M GCN 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with ALC3240-va3-cg aka ALC236? codec 0x10de, 0x0236}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 8106E 10/100 only}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Qualcomm Atheros QCA9377 or Realtek RTL8821CE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit AVX2 - 14in or 15.6" 768p or 1080p - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 45w 65w slim ac adapter - |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo V330-14ARR 81B1, V330-15ARR 81, 330-14ARR 81 330-15ARR 81D2 - battery internal about 30whr || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen R3 2200U, 2300U or R5 2500U Raven Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->M.2 nvme/sata, optional 2.5in sata but no dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega 3, 6 or 8 up to 1Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x1002, 0x15de with Realtek® ALC5682I-VD codec 0x10de, 0x or coxenant CX11802 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek 1GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14" 768p 20mm thick 1.8kg - 20v 2.25a 45w ac round barrel - chiclet keyboard - 4Gb soldered and 1 ddr4 sodimm - TPM 2.0 in bios - 4GB soldered - |- |<!--Name-->Ideapad 330s-14ARR, 330s-15ARR, ideapad 330S-14IKB, 330S-15IKB, - battery internal about 30whr || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen R3 2200U, 2300U or R5 2500U Raven Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|nvme}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD or Intel 610, 620 up to 1Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14" 20mm thick 1.8kg - 20v 2.25a 45w ac round barrel - chiclet keyboard - 4Gb soldered and 1 ddr4 sodimm - TPM 2.0 in bios - 4GB soldered - |- |<!--Name-->Thinkpad Edge E485 E585 - internal battery only || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen R3 2300U R5 2500U R7 2700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|m.2 nvme optional 1 2.5in sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Vega 3, 8 or 10}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with CX11852 codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111GUS}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14in or 15.6in 768p or 1080p - USB-C 20V 2.25A 3.25A avoid knocking charging port as damages easily - 2 ddr4 sodimm slot max 2400Mhz 32GB - TPM 2.0 software - |- |<!--Name-->Thinkpad A285 - internal and external battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen PRO 3 2200U 5 2500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|m.2 nvme/sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with ALC ALC3287 codec aka ALC257 }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Mini-Ethernet/Docking}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm - WLAN whitelist no more??}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 12.5in 1080p - avoid usb-c port being lifted/moved whilst in use as damages laptop easily - soldered ram 8gb or 16gb - WWAN whitelist - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->Thinkpad A485 bios setting [https://github.com/PSPReverse/PSPTool AMD PSP Platform Security Processor Key] - internal and external battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen PRO 5 2500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata port and m.2 nvme port || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with ALC ALC3287 codec aka ALC 257 }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111GUL}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm wifi - WLAN whitelist no more??}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14in 768p, 1080p or 1440p - avoid usb-c port being lifted/moved whilst in use as damages laptop easily - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots max 32gb - WWAN whitelist - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->[https://www.diy-laptoprepair.com/forum/fix-Lenovo-V155-15-repair-guide-schematics.php Lenovo v155-15api 81V5] V155 (15" AMD) budget all plastic build - MS new protocol, HID over I2C so [https://askubuntu.com/questions/1033033/elantech-touchpad-does-not-work-i2c-hid i2c] [https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/drivers/input/mouse/elantech.c?h=v6.17 i2c] [https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v4.16/input/devices/elantech.html PS2 hybrid trackpad] [https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/tree/sys/dev/atkbdc/psm.c?h=releng/14.3 elantech] [https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/sys/dev/pckbc/?only_with_tag=OPENBSD_7_8_BASE i2c-hid] 04F3:3140 touchpad not working - internal sunwoda battery L18D3PF1, L18L3PF1, L18C3PF2 35Whr most dead after 5 years || <!--Chipset-->'''tested''' Ryzen 5 3500U and Ryzen 3 3200U - '''untested''' AMD Athlon 300U with bios winbond 25q64fwsiq soic 1.8v bios near nvme || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 M.2 nvme and usually 2.5in 7mm sata - install on mbr not gpt 2.5in in another compatible machine - mini sata dvd/cd da-8aesh11b will boot cd or dvd aros || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D to 1080p work for Vega 3 or 8 with up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken but hdmi 1.4b no output}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio add 0x1022, 0x15E3 with ALC3287 aka Realtek ALC257 codec 0x10ec, 0x0257 with 32bit on external speaker and most of the time works on 64bit}} || <!--USB-->{{no|2 USB3.0 usb-a, on left hand side, detected but not working}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 RTL8111GUS works well with 32bit and 64bit}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Intel wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 AROS One 2.8 DVD 32bit and AROS One x64 1.1 and 1.2 iso DVD burnt but not USB boot || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 15.6in 768p or 1080p 200nits tn panel - 4Gb ddr4 2400MHz soldered with 1 dimm slot max 20Gb - round ac 20V 65W psu 4.0mm x 1.7mm - Fn+F2 to enter bios and F12 boot order - no sd card slot - 2pin cr2032 cmos coin battery - |- |<!--Name-->V15-ADA 82C700E4UK- elan touchpad not working - internal battery 34whr L16M2PB2 l16l2pb3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD r5 3500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1x 2.5" HDD + 1x M.2 SSD NVMe near fan, no cd dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 3, 8 with up to 1080p with 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio 6.36 0x1022, 0x15E3 with R155189 ALC236 codec 0x10ec, 0x0236 on 32bit and on 64bit}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|3 USB3, on left hand side,}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 3500U with Aros One 32bit 2.8 installed to 2.5in drive on another machine and same for 64bit || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14 or 15.6in 768p on low spec machines to 1080p - 4GB soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 2pin cr2032 cmos coin battery - sd card slot - noisy fan - |- |<!--Name-->V15-ADA 82C7 - elan touchpad not working - internal battery 34whr L16M2PB2 l16l2pb3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon Silver 3020e, Ryzen 3 3050U, 3150U, 3250U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1x 2.5" HDD + 1x M.2 SSD NVme near fan, no cd dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 3, 8 with up to 1080p with 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio 6.36 0x1022, 0x15E3 with RTS5119 R155119 ALC230 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|3 USB3.0, on left hand side,}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 Aros One 32bit 2.8 and 64bit || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14 or 15.6in 768p on low spec machines to 1080p - 4GB soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 2pin cr2032 cmos coin battery - sd card slot - for this mbd bios ram disable doesn't work - noisy fan - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo V14-ADA 82C6, - elan touchpad not working - if blank black display, bios bug going from uefi->legacy so reset bios rhs push in with pin, then Down, ent, Right x3, ent, up, ent, right, ent x2 - internal battery 34whr L16M2PB2 l16l2pb3 || <!--Chipset-->'''tested''' 3250U - '''untested''' AMD Athlon Silver 3020e, Ryzen 3 3050U, 3150U - for this mbd GV451&GV551 NM-D151 bios ram disable doesn't work || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1x 2.5" HDD if cbl + 1x M.2 SSD NVMe near fan, no cd dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 3 up to 1080p with 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio 6.36 0x1022, 0x15E3 with Realtek ALC3223 RTS5119 R185199 aka ALC230 codec 0x10ec, 0x0230 on 32bit and on 64bit}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|3 USB3, on left hand side,}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 AMD 3250U with Aros One 32bit 2.8 installed to 2.5in drive on another machine and same for 64bit || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14 or 15.6in 768p on low spec machines to 1080p - 4GB soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 2pin cr2032 cmos coin battery - sd card slot - F2 bios F12 select - |- |<!--Name-->IdeaPad 1 14ADA5 (low spec cpus) ideaPad 3 14ADA05, IdeaPad 3 15ADA05 81W100QVUK, IdeaPad 3 17ADA05 - elan touchpad not working - internal battery 34whr L16M2PB2 l16l2pb3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon Silver 3020e, Ryzen 3 3050U, 3150U, 3250U, Ryzen 5 3500U on mobo NM-C821 REV 0.2 1.0 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1x 2.5" HDD if cbl + 1x M.2 SSD NVMe near fan, no cd dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 3, 8 up to 1080p with 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio 6.36 0x1022, 0x15E3 with ALC230 codec 0x10ec, 0x0230 on 32bit and on 64bit}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|3 USB3, on left hand side,}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 Aros One 32bit 2.8 installed to 2.5in drive on another machine and same for 64bit || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14 or 15.6in 768p on low spec machines to 1080p - 4GB soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 2pin cr2032 cmos coin battery - sd card slot - F2 bios F12 boot select - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo IdeaPad L340-15API 81LW001CUS L340-17API - elan trackpad not functioning - internal battery L18M3PF2 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon 300U, Ryzen 3 3200U r5 3500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 M.2 nvme and usually 2.5in sata if ribbon cable present - mini sata dvd/cd da-8aesh11b || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 3 or 8 with up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken - hdmi 1.4b}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio add 0x1022, 0x15E3 with Realtek ALC236 0x10ec, 0x0236}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 not detected}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111GUS}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Intel wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 2.8 USB - install on mbr not gpt 2.5in in another compatible machine || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 15.6in 768p or 1080p 200nits - 4Gb ddr4 2400MHz soldered with 1 dimm slot max 20Gb - round ac 20V 65W psu 4.0mm x 1.7mm - Return or F1 to enter bios and F12 boot order - no sd card slot - |- |<!--Name-->[https://www.laptop-schematics.com/db/78/T%20series%20laptops%20(ThinkPad)/ ThinkPad T295 T495] || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 3300U, R5 Pro 3500U or R7 3700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 NVMe up to 2280 || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega 6, 8 or 10 up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111EPV}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8822BE or Intel AC 9260}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14in 768p but mostly FHD 1080p 250 nits - internal battery - ram 8gb or 16gb 2400Mhz soldered with 1 ddr4 slot on T495 only - TPM 2.0 - usb-c charging avoid knock whilst in use - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T495s (14in) X395 (13in) || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 3300U, R5 Pro 3500U or R7 3700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 NVMe up to 2280 || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega 6, 8 or 10 up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{unk| needs Lenovo ThinkPad Ethernet Adapter Gen 2 SC10P42352 or SC10P42354}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8822BE or Intel AC 9260 wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 13in or 14in 768p but mostly FHD 1080p 250 nits - internal battery - ram 8gb or 16gb 2400Mhz soldered - TPM 2.0 - usb-c charging avoid knock whilst in use - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad E14 Gen2, E15 Gen 2 (AMD) 20T8, - lenovo has a mobile phone PC Diagnostic App for error/beep codes || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 4300U, 5 4500U, 7 4700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2 m.2 nvme, 1 2242 and 1 2280 || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD Radeon up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with ALC ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111GUS}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 15.6in 1080p 220 nits - TPM 2.0 - usb-c charging of internal 45Whr battery - 4gb ddr4 3200Mhz soldered and 1 ddr4 sodimm slot max 20Gb - keyboard swap problematic - plastic bendy case - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo ThinkPad T14 Gen 1, ThinkPad P14s Gen 1 (AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 4300u, 5 4500U, Ryzen 5 Pro 4650U, Ryzen 7 Pro 4750U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD Vega }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287 0x10EC, 0x0257}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111EPV (DASH models) or RTL8111HN}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - USB-C charging avoid moving whilst in use - 14" or 15" 1080p - keyboard swap problematic - 8gb or 16gb 3200MHz soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - sd card slot - |- |<!--Name-->Thinkpad L14 Gen 1, L15 Gen 1, || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 4300u, 5 4500U, Ryzen 5 Pro 4650U, Ryzen 7 Pro 4750U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD Vega }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287 0x10EC, 0x0257}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 needs dongle RTL8111EPV (DASH models) or RTL8111HN}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - USB-C charger avoid moving whilst in use - 14" or 15" 1080p - keyboard swap problematic - 8gb or 16gb 3200MHz soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - sd card slot - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo ThinkPad X13 Gen1 AMD, || <!--Chipset-->AMD RYZEN 3 4450U, 5 4650U or 7 4750U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->One drive, up to 512GB M.2 2242 SSD or 1TB M.2 2280 SSD NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|VESA Radeon up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| but USB-C ports can fail}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Realtek RTL8111EPV, mini RJ-45 to RJ-45 via optional ThinkPad Ethernet Extension Adapter Gen 2}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek Wi-Fi 6 RTL8852AE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 13.3" HD 1366x768 to 1080p - USB-C port care needed as damages easily - Memory soldered to systemboard, no slots, dual-channel DDR4-3200 - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo ThinkBook 14 G2, 15 G2 Are || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 5 4500u, 7 4700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->14in has 2 m.2 nvme but 15in has 1 nvme and might have 2.5in sata metal caddy if smaller battery version || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d for AMD Radeon up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with ALC???? codec 0x10EC, 0x0}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 14in or 15in 1080p - usb-c charging but high failure rate on the charging port - 4gb or 8gb soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot 3200mhz - hinge(s) issues - |- |<!--Name-->IdeaPad 5 14ARE05 (81YM), Ideapad 5 15ARE05 (), IdeaPad 3 17ARE05 (model 81W5) - elan touchpad MSFT0004:00 06CB:CD98 not working || <!--Chipset-->'''tested''' 4500u - '''untested''' AMD 3 4300U (4c4t), 4600U (6c12t), 7 4700u (8c16t) on AMD Promontory Bixby FCH || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|1x M.2 2242 slot and 1x M.2 2280 NVMe which will take sata m.2 will boot to grub then laptop reset after choice}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 6 via hdmi output up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio 6.36 0x1637 0x15e3 with Realtek ALC3287 aka ALC257 codec 0x10ec 0x0257}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.1 or 3.2 gen 1}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel ax200 wifi 6}} || <!--Test Distro-->4500u with AROS One 64bit 1.2 usb installed to m.2 sata on another machine || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit 14inch 768p or 1080p - round lenovo ac - 4gb, 8gb, or 16gb ddr4 3200Mhz ram soldered with 1 slot - keyboard swap problematic - integrated battery - |- |<!--Name-->Ideapad Flex 5 81X2, Lenovo Yoga 6 13ALC6 || <!--Chipset-->AMD R5 4500u, R7 4800U, R3 5300 R5 5500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->M.2 NVMe ssd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD Vega up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with ALC? codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3.1 gen 1}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|realtek ac wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit abs plastic case 14in convertible 1080p touch low nits - 65w usb-c psu ac - possible wacom esr note taking pen supplied - ram soldered DDR4 - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T14 Gen 2, P14s Gen 2 || <!--Chipset-->AMD 5850U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with ALC3287-CG codec 0x10EC, 0x0}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 - usb-c power 90% failure rate on the charging port - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo ThinkBook 14 G3, 15 G3 ACL, || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 5 5500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->m.2 nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with ALC codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 14in or 15in 1080p - usb-c charging powered - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad E14 G3, E15 Gen 3 (AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 5300U 5500U 5650U 5700U 5800U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->up to 2 m.2 nvme || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111GUS}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|realtek or intel }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 15.6in 1080p - - usb-c charging issues - keyboard swap problematic - 4gb or 8gb soldered with 1 ddr4 3200Mhz sodimm slot - plastic bendy case - |- |<!--Name-->V14 Gen 2 (82KA, 82KC) *ALO *ALC 82KD || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 5300U, 5 5500U, 7 5700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 nvme 2280 and optional 2.5in sata after sourcing ribbon cable and connector, no dvd || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H-CG}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 15.6" FHD 1080p - 4gb or 8gb soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 65w round ac adaptor - |- |<!--Name-->V15 G2 Gen2 (82KB, 82KD) *ALO *ALC 82KD || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 5300U, 5 5500U, 7 5700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 nvme 2280 and optional 2.5in sata after sourcing ribbon cable and connector, no dvd || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H-CG}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 15.6" FHD 1080p - 4gb or 8gb soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 65w round ac adaptor - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad L15 Gen 2 (15″, AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 5000 series AMD Ryzen 3 5400U (4c8t), 5 5600U, 5 5650U (6c12t), 7 PRO 5850U (8c16t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 needs dongle RTL8111EPV (DASH models) or RTL8111HN}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 15.6in 768p or 1080p - usb-c charging - 4gb soldered with 1 ddr4 3200Mhz sodimm slot - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad E14 Gen 4, E15 Gen 4 (15″, AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 3 5425u, 5 5625U, 7 5825u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 (14") or 2 (15") nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 15.6in 1080p - usb-c charging - 4gb or 8gb soldered with 1 ddr4 3200Mhz sodimm slot - L19M3PDA 45Whr battery - U24 TPS65994 and QB6 QB5 mosfet issues - plastic bendy case - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T14 Gen 3 Machine types MT 21AH 21AJ 21CF and 21CG, P14s Gen 3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD 6850U || <!--IDE-->{{n/a}} || <!--SATA-->NVme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d || <!--Audio-->{{unk| ALC3287-VA2-CG codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 14in |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T14s Gen 3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD 6500U || <!--IDE-->{{n/a}} || <!--SATA-->NVme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d || <!--Audio-->{{unk| ALC3287-VA2-CG codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Ethernet support via optional Lenovo® USB-C® to Ethernet Adapter}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 14in |- |<!--Name-->V14 G3, V15 G3 Gen3 ALC || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 5 6500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme and optional 2.5in sata if smaller 38Wh battery and after sourcing ribbon cable and connector, no dvd || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 15"FHD - battery BYD L20B2PFO - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad L15 Gen 3 (15″, AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 6000 series || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 needs dongle}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit- 15.6in 1080p - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo Yoga 7 14ARB7 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5, 6600U, 7 6800U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD 660M or 680M || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDaudio with ALC3306 aka alc287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 14in 1800p ips 300 nits - usb-c ac charging 71whr integrated battery - sd card slot - digital pen input - 8gb, 6gb or 32gb soldered ddr5 ram - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T14 Gen 4, P14s Gen 4 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen Pro 5 7540U, Ryzen Pro 7 7840U (AI NPU) || <!--IDE-->{{n/a}} || <!--SATA-->NVme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD 740M 780M|| <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 14in 1920x1200 - 8gb, 16gb or 32gb lpddr5 soldered - usb-c charging - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad E14 g5, E15 Gen 5 (15″, AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 7000 series Ryzen 5-7530U, 7-7730U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit- 15.6in 1080p - |- |<!--Name-->Thinkbook 14 G6 ABP IRL, ThinkBook 16 G6ABP (21KK001CUK) || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 7530U 7730U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->m.2 nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 untested}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 14in 1200p or 1440p - 100W USB-C AC power adapter - |- |<!--Name-->IdeaPad Slim 5 Light 14ABR8 Laptop || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 7330U (4c8t) 5 7530U (6c12t) 7 7730U (8c16t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2 m.2 nvme slot - 1 2242, 1 2280 || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 14in 1080p - 8Gb or 16Gb soldered ram - usb-c charging only - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad X13 Gen 4 (13" AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 7480U 7040U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|VESA}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 - avoid usb-c port damage - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad L14 (Gen4), L15 Gen 4 (15" AMD) || <!--Chipset-->MD Ryzen 5 PRO 7530U, 7480U 7040U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|VESA}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 needs dongle}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - elan trackpad - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo Gen 4 V14 (82YT, 82YV, 83A0, 83A1, 83CC, 83FR, 82YX, 83FG), V15 (82YU, 82YW, 83FS, 82YY, 83CR), V17 (83A2), || <!--Chipset-->AMD AMD Athlon™ Gold 7220U (2c4t), AMD Athlon™ Silver 7120U (2c2t), AMD Ryzen™ 3 7320U (4c8t), AMD Ryzen™ 5 7520U (4c8t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme and 2.5in sata if smaller 38Wh battery, no dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d for AMD 610M HDMI® and USB-C}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Gigabit Ethernet, 1x RJ-45}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|wifi 6}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 15.6" FHD 1080p - 8 or 16Gb soldered - 65W round tip (3-pin) AC adapter or USB-C - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad e14 G6, e15 Gen 6 (15″, AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 7000 series AMD Ryzen™ 7 7735HS || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit- 15.6in 1080p - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad L16 (16" AMD), || <!--Chipset-->AMD 8000 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB4}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 needs dongle}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2025 64bit |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T14 Gen 5, P14s Gen 5 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 8840U, AMD Ryzen™ 5 PRO 8540U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVME || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - 14inch 1920 x 1200 - |- |<!--Name--> Lenovo WinBook 300e SKU: 82GKS00000 || <!--Chipset-->AMD 3015E || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit 4GB 64GB SSD 11.6 Inch Touchscreen Windows 10 Pro Laptop |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo Yoga Slim 7a || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen AI 7350 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD 860M || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDaudio with ALC3306 aka alc287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - 14in 1800p ips 300 nits - usb-c ac charging 71whr integrated battery - sd card slot - digital pen input - 8gb, 6gb or 32gb soldered ddr5 ram - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Samsung==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="2%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->NP-Q1 Q1 || <!--Chipset-->Celeron-M 353 ULV 600Mhz || <!--IDE-->{{Yes|1.8" SFF HDD 20 / 60 GB }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 915 2D and 3D opengl1 tunnel 95 gearbox 68}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with codec - head phones only}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Yes|Atheros 5006EX}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit old style tablet UltraMobile PC UMPC - Wacom serial resistive pen or finger no support - 1 sodimm ddr2 max 1Gb - LCD 7" WVGA (800 x 480) - CompactFlash port Type II - |- | <!--Name-->NP Q1U Ultra Mobile PC UMPC Q1F NP-Q1-F000 || <!--Chipset-->Intel A100 600 / A110 Stealey 800 MHz CPU || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|GMA 950 2D and 3D opengl1}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio 1986}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Atheros 5006EX}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1 || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit 1024×600 - sd card slot - |- | <!--Name-->NP P500 family P500Y || <!--Chipset-->AMD with SB600 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Ati x1250}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes| Audio with codec }} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8039 yukon}} || <!--Wireless-->{{yes|Atheros G}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments-->64bit possible - 15.4 tft display - cheap plastic okay build - 19v propriety end - |- | <!--Name-->R505 R510 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Atheros G || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->R520 R522 R610H R620 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Mobile Core i3 Intel PM45 82801M ICH9-M|| <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4650 (RV730) || <!--Audio-->Intel HD Audio with Realtek ALC272 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Marvell Yukon 88E8057 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros AR5007EG || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2010 64 bit possible |- | NP-R530 || || {{N/A}} || {{partial|IDE mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{partial|HD Audio playback}} || {{yes|USB 2.0}} || {{no|Marvell}} || {{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || Icaros 1.5.2 || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Samsung R730 17.3 Essential Notebook NP-R730-JA02UK, NP-R730-JA01SE, R730-JT06 || <!--Chipset-->Intel HM55 Dual Core T4300 i3-370M || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA for Intel 4500MHD and GeForce G 310M with 1 VGA, 1 HDMI}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio ALC??? codec Realtek}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell Yukon 88E8059 PCI-E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Broadcom, Intel or Atheros 9k AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods ISO 2023-11 || <!--Comments-->2010 64bit - 17.3in HD 1280 x 720 pixels low contrast or some 1600x900 - 2 DDR3 sodimm slots - 2.84 kg 6.26 lbs - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Samsung-305U1A-A01DE-Subnotebook.68246.0.html Series 3 Samsung 305u1a] || <!--Chipset-->AMD Zacate E350 or E450 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon 6320 || <!--Audio-->ALC ACL 269 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111 8169 || <!--Wireless-->Broadcom 4313 || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit |- | <!--Name-->NP-RV415 NP-RV515 || <!--Chipset-->E350 or E450 plus A50M chipset || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon HD 6470 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio Realtek || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|RTL8169 Realtek RTL8111 8168B}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit slow - |- | <!--Name-->Series 5 NP535U3C || <!--Chipset-->A6-4455M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2.5in || <!--Gfx-->radeon || <!--Audio-->HDAudio || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit slow - 13.3in 1368 x 768 - plastic build - 65w 19v psu - |- | <!--Name-->series 3 NP355V5C || <!--Chipset-->A6-4400M, A8-4500M, A10-4600M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2.5in || <!--Gfx-->7640M || <!--Audio-->HDAudio || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit - 15.4in 1368 x 768 - plastic build - 65w 19v psu - |- | <!--Name-->Samsung ATIV Book 9 Lite NP905S3G || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-1450 quad 1GHz Temash atom like || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->128gb || <!--Gfx-->AMD 8250 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek rtl8169 but only with mini LAN AA-AE2N12B Ethernet Adapter RJ45 dongle}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9565}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - 13.3 TN glossy 1366 x 768 200nits 60% srgb - plastic case - 26W battery built in with 4hr life - 19V 2.1A 3.0*1.0mm psu - 1 ddr3l slot max 4gb - 720p webcam - mini hdmi out - 1w speakers - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Toshiba==== [[#top|...to the top]] Order of Build Quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > Equium Satellite (Pro) Libretto Portege Tecra </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | Tecra 8100 8200 9000 || 440BX || {{yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|S3 Savage MX 3D (VESA only)}} || {{no|Yamaha DS-XG ymf744 ymf-754}} || {{yes|USB1.1 only}} || {{N/A}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.5 || little support |- | <!--Name-->Tecra 9100 || <!--Chipset-->810 || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|S3 Savage IX}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|ymf754}} || <!--USB-->USB 1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->eeee pro100 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->PSU Adapter For Toshiba Tecra 9000 9100 A1 A10 A11 A3 A3X A4 A5 A7 M1 M2 M3 M4 M5 M7 M9 R10 S1 series 75 Watt 15V 5A |- | [http://tuxmobil.org/toshiba_sp4600.html Satellite Pro 4600] || i810 || IDE || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|Trident Cyber Blade XP (VESA only)}} || {{no|YAMAHA DS-XG AC97 ymf754}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel e100}} || {{no|Agere (internal PCMCIA)}} || || little support |- | Satellite 2805 S603 || Intel 815 || {{yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|nVidia GeForce2 Go}} || {{no|Yamaha Corp YMF 754}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel PRO/100}} || {{dunno}} || || little support |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A10 S167 S1291 - A15 A20 A25 || <!--Chipset-->P4M || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 852GM or Radeon || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8139 || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Intel 2100, Agere or Atheros PA3399U 1MPC minipci}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->a few models came with antenna leads |- | Satellite [http://eu.computers.toshiba-europe.com/innovation/jsp/SUPPORTSECTION/discontinuedProductPage.do?service=EU&com.broadvision.session.new=Yes&PRODUCT_ID=76230 A30-714] || P4-M / 82845 i845 || {{yes|82801}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|VESA}} || {{yes|AC97}} || {{yes}} || {{yes|RTL8139}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || nice laptop, drawbacks: heavy, really hot (P4-3.06 GHz!!) - A30 (EU) A33 (Australian) A35 (USA) - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A40 A45 || <!--Chipset-->P4M or Celeron M with Intel 845 865 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 852GME or Radeon 7000 Mobility || <!--Audio-->AC97 Realtek || <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5002G 5004G - PA3299U mini pci || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - A40 S161 A40-S1611 A40-2701, A45-S120 A45-S1201 S130 S1301 S1501 - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite a50 A55 a60-s156 Equium A60 PSA67E A65 || <!--Chipset-->P4M or Celeron M with Intel 845 865 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 852GME or Radeon 7000 Mobility || <!--Audio-->AC97 Realtek || <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5002G 5004G - PA3299U mini-pci || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A70 A75-S206 A80 A85-S107 || <!--Chipset-->P4M or Celeron-M with Intel 845 865 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 852GME or Radeon 7000 Mobility || <!--Audio-->AC97 Realtek || <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5002G 5004G - PA3299U mini-pci || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.5.1 || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - |- | Toshiba Satellite Pro M30 || intel 855 || {{yes|boots with ATA=nodma option}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|VESA}} || {{yes|AC97}} || {{yes|USB2.0}} || {{yes|Intel PRO/100 VE}} || {{dunno}} || Icaros 1.5 || nice laptop with some support |- | <!--Name-->Portege M300 - M200 tablet || <!--Chipset-->855GM with 1.2GHz Pentium M 753 || <!--IDE-->{{yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2d only - tablet with nvidia 5200 go}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|AC97 STAC 9750}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->little support |- | <!--Name-->Tecra M2 M2-S || <!--Chipset-->Intel 855P Pentium-M || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->nvidia fx go5200 32mb or 64mb agp || <!--Audio-->AC97 1981B || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Intel Pro || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - PSU 15V 5A - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro L20 267 (PSL2YE PSL2XE) PSL25E L30 || <!--Chipset-->Celeron M 370 1.4 1.5GHz, 1.73Ghz with RC410M SB400 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA - Ati x200}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|[https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-490297-start-0.html ALC861]}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|Boots usb sticks}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8139 Realtek 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros mini-pci should work maybe not working with ATi chipset or need to swap??}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit 14" pioneer dvd-rw - 19v |- | <!--Name-->Satellite L30 PSL30E L33 PSL33E || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 800 or ATi RC410 x200 || <!--Audio-->AC97 AD1981B or HD Audio ALC861 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros or Intel || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->L30 PSL30L 101 PSL33E 113 115 134 00M019 - |- | Satellite Pro M40 313 psm44e || AMD with Ati || {{yes|boots with ATA=nodma}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|VESA}} || {{yes|AC97}} || {{yes|USB2.0}} || {{yes|}} || {{maybe|atheros askey ar5bmb5 mini pci}} || || 2005 32bit - nice laptop with some support |- | <!--Name-->Satellite L40 PSL40E PSL40L, PSL43E || <!--Chipset-->945GM with U7700 1.3GHz ULV || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 945 || <!--Audio-->{{No|Intel HD with AD1986A codec}} || <!--USB-->2 USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros AR24xx Askey || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.0.3 || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit only - - 12X 13G 139 14B 143 15J 19O - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite L45 PSL40U S7409 S2416 || <!--Chipset-->945GM with Celeron M 440 1.86 GHz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 945 || <!--Audio-->{{No|Intel HD with AD1986A codec}} || <!--USB-->2 USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros AR24xx Askey || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.0.3 || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit only - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro A100 || <!--Chipset-->940G || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Nvidia G72M Quadro NVS 110M GeForce Go 7300 / Ati (PSAA3E)|| <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC861 codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 100 || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 swap with atheros || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A110 159 (PSAB0), Equium A110 (PSAB2E), Satellite A110 233 (PSAB6), || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio-->ALC861 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8136 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro A120 PSAC0 PSAC1 PSAC1E || <!--Chipset-->Core Solo GMA 950 to T2300 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 945 || <!--Audio-->ALC262 or AC97 AD1981B || <!--USB-->UHCI EHCI || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Atheros Ar5001 or Intel or Broadcom || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->15V 4A charger - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro A120 || <!--Chipset-->Core Duo ATi RS480 + SB450 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use VESA - ATI RC410 Radeon Xpress 200M || <!--Audio-->ALC262 || <!--USB-->OCHI UHCI || <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 or Atheros Ar5001 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->15v 5a proprietary charger needed |- | <!--Name-->Satelite A130 PSAD6U || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8101E || <!--Wireless-->Atheros or Intel || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->ST1311 s1311 ST1312 S2276 S2386 - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A135 S2686 (Compal LA 3391P) || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8101E || <!--Wireless-->Atheros or Intel || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->S2246 S2346 S2256 S4477 S4666 S4827 - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A200 PSAE1E (Inventec MW10M) || <!--Chipset-->Pentium M with 945GM Express Celeron M 520 1.6Ghz or Pentium® Core Duo T2130 1.86 GHz || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}}|| <!--SATA--> {{Maybe|SATA}}|| <!--Gfx--> {{Yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D and 3D)}}|| <!--Audio--> {{Yes|HD Audio ALC862}}|| <!--USB--> {{Yes| }}|| <!--Ethernet--> {{yes|RTL8101E rtl8139}}|| <!--Wireless--> {{yes|Atheros 5000 - FN,F5 or FN,F8 or switch}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 AspireOS 1.8 || <!--Comments-->2006 Excellent 32 bit support! - make sure that your WLAN card is enabled, do this using the hardware switch and FN+F8 key combination |- | <!--Name--> A210, Satellite A215 AMD (Inventec 10A) S5808 || <!--Chipset--> Ati with SB690 || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}}|| <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|SATA}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA HD2600 Mobility M76}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC268 || <!--USB--> {{Yes| }}|| <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8101E}}|| <!--Wireless--> {{yes|Atheros 5000}}|| <!--Test Distro-->2018 AspireOS 1.8 || <!--Comments-->A215-S7422 A215-S7472 A215-S4697 (USA) - |- | <!--Name--> [http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=62036 A215 S4757] || <!--Chipset--> Ati X1200 with SB600 || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}}|| <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|SATA}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> {{Yes| }}|| <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8101E}}|| <!--Wireless--> {{yes|Atheros 5000}}|| <!--Test Distro-->2017 AspireOS 1.8 || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Qosmio G30 (PQG31C-HD202E) || <!--Chipset-->945 with Duo T2500 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Nouveau Nvidia Go 7600 2d and 3d}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit - 17" UXGA 1920x1200, |- | <!--Name-->Tecra A10 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> {{Maybe|IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx--> {{Maybe|Intel GMA 4500M (2D)}} || <!--Audio--> {{Yes|HD Audio}} || <!--USB--> {{Yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel PRO 1000}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel WiFi Link 5100}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->64 bit possible |- | <!--Name-->L35 - L40 PSL48E - L45 S7423 || <!--Chipset-->GL960 with Intel Celeron || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|X3100 some 2D but software 3d tunnel 9 gearbox 4}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with ALC660 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|REALTEK 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek 8187b replace with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments-->1,73Ghz M 520 or M 540 or Dual T2310 (1.46 GHz) T2330 (1.6 GHz) - 14H 14N 15B 17H 17K 17R 17S 18Z - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite a300 - inventec potomac 10s pt10s A300D 21H || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio - Realtek || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8102E || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5005 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->satellite L300D-224 PSLC8E PSLC9E, l305 (inventec ps10s) || <!--Chipset-->AMD M780 with Turion RM70 or QL-64 || <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE}} || <!--SATA--> {{yes|SATA}} || <!--Gfx--> {{Maybe|use VESA for Radeon 3100}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio with Realtek ALC268}} || <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet--> {{no|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Atheros G XB63L or Intel or Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> Icaros Desktop Live 2.3 AROS One 2.3 || <!--Comments--> Wireless-handler crashing when using Atheros-Wireless-Card |- | <!--Name-->Satellite P300 (PSPC0C-01D01C) || <!--Chipset-->945GM with Intel Core 2 Duo T5750 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Audio-->{{No| codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| swap with Atheros 5k }} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 64bit || <!--Comments-->2007 |- | <!--Name-->satellite l300-1bw PSLBDE-005005AR, L300-148 PSLB0E, l300-20D PSLB8E-06Q007EN, l300-294 L300-23L PSLB9E || <!--Chipset-->Intel GM45 + PGA478 socket Celeron 900, Pentium T1600, T2390, T3400 (Socket P) to Core2 Duo T6400 T6670 || <!--IDE--> {{unk|IDE}} || <!--SATA--> {{unk|SATA}} || <!--Gfx--> {{Maybe|use VESA for Intel gma 4500M}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio with Realtek ALC???}} || <!--USB--> {{unk|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet--> {{unk|rtl8169 Realtek 810xE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel or Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64-bit - new unfamiliar Bios called insyde H20 - |- | <!--Name-->satellite l350d || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon (tm) X2 QL-60 + RS780M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 3100 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with Realtek || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek || <!--Wireless-->Realtek 8187b || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Satellite L450 12 13 14 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Sempron, 2.1GHz with AMD RS780M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 3200 (based on HD 2400) || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E || <!--Wireless-->Realtek 8172 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - 12X 13P 13X 14V PSLY6E00C006EN |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro L450 (Compal LA-5821P) 179 || <!--Chipset-->intel celeron 900 2.20 Ghz no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->intel 4500m || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->RTL8101 /2 /6E PCI Express Gigabit || <!--Wireless-->RTL8191 SEvB || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - 39.6cm (15.6”) Toshiba TruBrite® HD TFT 16:9 768p |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Toshiba Satellite P775, P775-S7320 and P775-10K || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core i5 (2nd Gen) 2430M i7-2630QM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2D for Intel}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 17.3" - 1600 x 900 (HD+) - 2 DDR3 sodimm max 16Gb - |- |<!--Name-->Toshiba Satellite C660D-19X || <!--Chipset-->AMD E-300 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2D for ATi}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio with Realtek codec}} || <!--USB-->{{no| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|r8169 rtl8101e}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek RTL8188 8192ce rtl8192ce}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->L755D (E-350) L750D (E-450) || <!--Chipset-->AMD E350 E450 no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 6310 6320 || <!--Audio-->HDAudio conexant codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Realtek || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro SP C640 C660D-15X (PSC1YE) C670D- () || <!--Chipset-->AMD E350 no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->6310G || <!--Audio-->HD Realtek ALC259 || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek || <!--Wireless-->Broadcom || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name-->C70D-A C75D-A || <!--Chipset-->E1-1200 no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|AMD HD8330}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HA Audio CX20751 11Z}} || <!--USB-->{{no| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Atheros AR8162 alx}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek 8188e}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit - |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- |} ====Misc==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Time 500 Packard Bell EasyOne 1450 1550 || <!--Chipset-->K6-3 500Mhz + VIA MVP4 vt82c686a || <!--IDE-->{{N/A|Issues}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA || <!--Audio-->{{No|VIA AC97 3058 with wolfson codec WM9703 WM9704 WM9707 WM9708 or WM9717}} || <!--USB-->via 3038 2 ports USB 1.1 untested || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro-->NB May 2013 || <!--Comments-->2001 32bit grub runs but stalls around [PCI] Everything OK |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Sony Vaio PCG FX201/FX202 FX210/FX215 FX401/FX402 FX404/FX405 972M, FX501/FX502 FX504/FX505 || <!--Chipset-->VIA KT133A KM133 Duron 800Mhz Athlon 1.3Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{partial|boot issue with 2013 kernel VIA [rev 06]}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|ATI Rage Mobility Pro (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|VIA AC97 686b [rev 50] AD1881A Ear phone and Mic}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|issues}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Comments-->Nightly 1st March 2013 || <!--Comments-->booting usb pendrive from Plop Boot Loader floppy (no bios USB boot). Can freeze coz hardware issue or a ram slot problem - no support for iLink firewire VT8363/8365 pci - vt82c686b |- | <!--Name-->Sony Vaio PCG FX601/FX602, FX604/FX605 FXA53(US), FX701/FX702, FX704/FX705, FX801/FX802 FX804/FX805 || <!--Chipset-->VIA KT133A KM133 Duron 800Mhz Athlon 1.3Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{partial|boot issue with 2013 kernel VIA [rev 06]}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|ATI Rage Mobility Pro (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|VIA AC97 686b [rev 50] AD1881A Ear phone and Mic}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|issues}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Comments-->Nightly 1st March 2013 || <!--Comments-->booting usb pendrive somes works |- | <!--Name-->Sony Vaio PCG FX100 R505LE || <!--Chipset-->Intel i815 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA Intel 82815 CGC || <!--Audio-->Intel ICH AC97 with ADI AD1881A codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel e100 || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->PCG-FX105 FX105K PCG-FX108 FX108K PCG-FX109 FX109K FX200 FX203/FX203K FX205 FX205K FX209 FX209K FX220 [http://juljas.net/linux/vaiofx240/ FX240] FX250 FX270 FX290 FX301 FX302 FX340 FX370 FX390 FX403 FX503 FX950 |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | Sony VAIO VGN X505VP || Pentium M ULV and Intel 855GM || {{yes}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|Intel 855 (VESA only)}} || {{yes|AC97}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100 VE}} || {{N/A}} || || 2004 32bit - 0.38 inches at its thinnest point - first laptop to feature a "chiclet" keyboard resemble Chiclets gum - |- | <!--Name-->Sony Z505LE Z505JE || <!--Chipset-->P3 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->n/a || <!--Gfx-->Rage Mobility M1 AGP mach64 || <!--Audio-->no Yamaha DS-XG PCI YMF744 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 8255x based PCI e100 || <!--Wireless-->n/a || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Panasonic Toughbook CF-18 || <!--Chipset-->Core || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|gma for i915}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 SigmaTel}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|usb2 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL 8139C}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel swap for atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' D02 test || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Panasonic Toughbook CF-29 CF-30 || <!--Chipset-->Core || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use VESA || <!--Audio-->AC97 SigmaTel || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8139C || <!--Wireless-->Intel || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit |- | <!--Name-->MSI Microstar PR210 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA ATi RS690M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio through speaker / head phones but not hdmi}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek 8111 8169}} || <!--Wireless-->Atheros AR242x AR542x aw-ge780 mini pci-e || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit - ENE PCI based SD card with no bios boot option |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Advent 7106 EAA-88 || <!--Chipset-->Pentium M 1.7GHz with 915GM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D and 3D tunnel 187 gearbox 67}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 Intel ICH6 with Conexant Cx20468 31 codec playback head phones only}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 2200BG Fn/F2 replaced with atheros mini pci in small base panel - startup errors in wireless manager}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 14" cheap rubbish sadly - fan noise through audio channel - |- | <!--Name-->Motion Computing LE1600 PC Slate || <!--Chipset-->915 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->915 || <!--Audio-->Intel AC97 SigmaTel STAC9758 9759 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8169 || <!--Wireless-->Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 serial Wacom digitiser not usb |- | <!--Name-->Panasonic Toughbook CF-51 CF-P1 CF-T5 CF-Y2 || <!--Chipset-->945GMS || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom || <!--Wireless-->Intel || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Sony Vaio VGN-AR11S || <!--Chipset-->ntel Core Duo T2500 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes| Nvidia Go 7600}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro-->Aros One 32bit || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit - 17" 1920x1200 - blu-ray - |- | Sony Vaio VGN SR29VN || Intel ICH9 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|IDE legacy}} || {{partial|ATI HD 3400 (VESA only)}} || {{partial|HD Audio (too quiet)}} || {{yes|USB1.1 and USB2.0}} || {{no|Marvell 8040}} || {{no|Intel 5100}} || Icaros 1.5 || 2007 32bit - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Wyse XM Class DELL WYSE Xn0m LAPTOP || <!--Chipset-->AMD T-G56N 1.6 1.65Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} || <!--SATA-->decased 2.5in ssd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d only AMD 6320}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|EHCI 2.0 with NEC uPD720200 USB 3.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek rtl8169 8111E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros 93xx}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 1366 x 768 14" - 2 ddr3l slots max 16gb - 19v coax barrel plug psu - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI Ge40 Ge60 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 4 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GTX 860M || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Killer}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->MSI GE62 2QF Apache Pro || <!--Chipset-->Intel 5 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GTX 970M || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Killer }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->MSI GS65 Stealth || <!--Chipset-->i7-8750H and later i7-9750H || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->GeForce GTX 1060 or 1070 Max Q, GTX 1660 Ti, RTX 2080 Max-Q || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio }} || <!--USB-->{{unk|US3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte P35X || <!--Chipset-->Intel || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->GTX 980M || <!--Audio-->HDaudio || <!--USB-->USB3 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Panasonic Toughpad FZ-G1 MK2 || <!--Chipset-->Core i5-3437U, 1.9GHz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->ToughPad FZ-G1 Mk3 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core i5-4310U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->Intel HD 4400 || <!--Audio-->HDaudio Codec ALC255 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->[https://wiki.recessim.com/view/Panasonic_Toughpad_FZ-G1_MK4 Panasonic Toughpad FZ-G1 MK4] || <!--Chipset-->intel 6300U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->Intel 520 || <!--Audio-->HDaudio with ALC256 codec - o/c or s/c fails early || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 but options on the right hand side of screen case}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|intel ac 8260}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 10.1in 1600x1200 - 4gb ddr3l soldered - waterproof pen left hand side base - optional slot-in 4g lte and sdhc - 16v 4.06A 64.96W panasonic barrel - |- | <!--Name-->Panasonic Toughpad FZ-G1 MK5 || <!--Chipset-->intel i5-7300U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->Intel 620 || <!--Audio-->HDaudio ALC295 codec - o/c or s/c fails early || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 but optional usb2 plugin r.h.s. of screen casing}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 8gb ddr3l soldered - 10.1" WUXGA 1920 x 1200 with LED backlighting screen 2-800 nit - 10-point capacitive multi touch + Waterproof Digitizer pen l.h.s - |- | <!--Name-->ToughPad FZ-M1 || <!--Chipset-->Intel® Core TM m5-6Y57 vPro TM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->Intel HD 4200 || <!--Audio-->HDaudio with ALC codec || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 7in 800p - 8gb ddr3l soldered - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Any Razor Razer laptops || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->AVOID unable to remove secure boot |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ===Netbook=== [[#top|...to the top]] * PC to write Aros image onto an USB pendrive with Raspberry PI writer, USB writer or Rufus for boot purposes on a netbook * SD card sometimes can boot like Dell 2100, EeePC 1001P, ASUS EeePC 900, acer aspire one d150, MSI Wind U100, ====Acer Packard Bell Netbooks==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width=100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | Aspire One AOA110 (A110) (ZG5) || Intel 945GSE || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA (2D and 3D) tunnel 99 and gearbox 84 score}} || {{Yes|HD Audio ALC6628}} || {{Yes|USB1.1 and USB2.0}} || {{Yes|rtl8169 RTL8101E}} || {{Yes|AR5006}} atheros 5k || 2016 AspireOS 1.8, 2025 Aros One 2.6 32bit USB || 2007 32bit 1 core - 19v barrel A13-045N2A 19V2.37A 45W 5.5x1.7mm - |- | Aspire One AOA150 (A150) (ZG5) || Intel 945GSE || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|ide mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 2D and accelerated 3D with tunnel 99 and gearbox 84.1 result}} || {{Yes|HD Audio ALC6628}} || {{Yes|uhci and ehci}} || {{Yes|rtl8169 RTL8101E}} || {{Yes|AR5006}} atheros 5k || 2016 AspireOS 1.8, 2025 aros one 2.6 32bit USB || 2007 32bit 1 core - 19v barrel - |- | Aspire One AOD150 D150 (Compal LA-4781P), AOD110 D110 (ssd) || Intel 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|ide legacy}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{Yes|HDAudio with alc272}} || {{Yes|USB}} || {{No|Atheros AR8121 AR8113 AR8114 l1e}} || {{Maybe|AR5007EG AR5BXB63 works but Broadcom BCM4312 has no support}} || 2010 Icaros Desktop 1.3, 2024 Aros one 32bit USB || 2008 32bit 1 core - 19v barrel - |- | Aspire One (ZG8) || Intel 945G and N270 || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|ide mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 2D and accelerated 3D}} || {{maybe|HD Audio }} || {{Yes|uhci and ehci}} || {{No|Broadcom }} || {{no|Intel}} || 2014 AspireOS 1.8 || 2009 32bit - |- | Aspire One AOD250 D250 emachines em250 || 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|ide legacy}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{Yes|alc272 HD Audio}} || {{Yes}} || {{No|AR8132 (L1c)}} || {{No|BCM4312 or Atheros AR5B95}} || 2010 Icaros 1.3 || 2009 32bit 1 core - 19v barrel - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire AO532H (Compal LA-5651p) 533H Pineview || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio playback}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|AR8132 (L1c)}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros 9k}} || [http://www.amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?mode=flat&order=0&item_id=5968 Tested AspireOS June 2011] || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->emachines eM350 NAV51 || <!--Chipset--> with N450 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 3150 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.2 || <!--Comments-->Single core 64bit - 160GB HDD 1GB RAM 10.1" LED backlit screen and Webcam - 3 cell li-ion battery for 3 hours usage - |- | <!--Name-->emachines eM355 || <!--Chipset--> with N455 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->64bit support possible - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire One 533 || <!--Chipset-->N455 with NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D 0x8086 0xa011}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes| ALC272 codec ich7}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros AR8152 v1.1 1c}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom 4313}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1 and AROS One 2.3 || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - f2 setup - 10.1inch 1024 x 768 - |- | Aspire One AOD255 AOD255e AOD260 AOHAPPY (Compal LA-6221P) || N570 and Nm10 || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|SATA}} || {{Maybe|Intel GMA 3150}} || Audio || USB || {{No|Atheros AR8152 V1.1 (1lc)}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM4313}} || || a little support |- | Aspire One 522 AO522 (Compal LA-7072p) || 1GHz dual C-50 C50 or C-60 C60 + Hudson M1 || {{N/A}} || SATA || AMD 6250 (ATI 9804) or 6290 || ATI SB CX20584 HD Audio || USB || Atheros 8152 v2.0 l1c || {{No|Broadcom BCM4313 or Atheros ath9k}} || || |- | <!--Name-->AAOD270 Aspire One D270 || <!--Chipset-->N2600 Cedarview || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D on Intel GMA 3650}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8169 RTL8101E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4313 but swap for Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit atom - ddr2 so-dimm 2gb max - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire One AO532G (Compal LA-6091p) || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Aspire One D257 (Quanta ZE6) || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire One 722 AO722 P1VE6 || <!--Chipset-->AMD C-60 C60 with SB900 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe| use VESA Ati 6290}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with codec but no Wrestler HDMI output}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Qualcomm Atheros AR8152 v2.0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9485}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Aspire One AO721 (Wistron SJV10-NL) || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->AO751 AO751H (Quanta ZA3) || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Packard Bell Dot .S || <!--Chipset-->N280 + || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|legacy}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA950 (2D)}}|| <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC272X || <!--USB--> USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Atheros l1e}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Atheros 9k}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Packard Bell Dot .SE || <!--Chipset-->N450 + || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->legacy || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA950 (2D) || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC|| <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Packard Bell Dot .S2 NAV50 || <!--Chipset-->N455 NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel X3150 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC269 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Atheros || <!--Wireless-->Atheros || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Packard Bell Dot M/A || <!--Chipset-->1.2GHz Athlon L110 + RS690E || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->legacy mode? || <!--Gfx-->AMD ATI Radeon Xpress X1270 (VESA only) || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ATI SBx00 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E rtl8169 || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Asus Netbooks==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | [http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/Models eeePC] 700 701 2G 4G 8G Surf || Intel 910GML + ICH7 || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 900 2D and 3D tunnel 68 gearbox 43 on 701 800x480}} || {{Yes|ALC662 HD Audio}} || {{Yes|UHCI and EHCI}} || {{No|Atheros L2}} || {{Yes|Atheros 5k AR5007EG (AR2425 works}} || 2016 Icaros 2.1.1, 2.1.2, Aros One 2.5 32bit USB, || 2007 32bit - power supplies fail due to bad caps issue 9.5V 2.5A 24W Charger AD59930 4.8*1.7MM - |- | [http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/Models eeePC] 701SD || Intel 910GML + ICH7 || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{Maybe|Intel GMA 900 (2D)}} || {{Yes|ALC662 HD Audio}} || {{Yes|UHCI and EHCI}} || {{No|Atheros L2}} || {{No|RTL8187SE swap with Atheros 5k}} || 2014 AspireOS 1.7, || 2007 32bit - boot issues but does boot with ATA=32bit,nopoll or ATA=nodma,nopoll |- | [http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/Models eeePC] 900 || Intel 910GML + ICH7 || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{Maybe|Intel GMA 900 (2D, 3D in some models)}} || {{Yes|ALC662 HD Audio}} || {{Yes|UHCI and EHCI}} || {{No|Atheros L2}} || {{Maybe|depends on chipset AR5007EG (AR2425) works but not RaLink}} || 2014 AspireOS 1.7, || 2008 32bit - boot issues but does boot with ATA=32bit,nopoll or ATA=nodma,nopoll. 900's may need BIOS upgrade to boot usb optical drives. 3D available in some model revisions - AD59230 9.5v 2.31a psu - |- | eeePC 900A || 945GSE || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 950 (3D)}} || {{Yes|HD Audio ALC269}} || {{Yes|USB2.0}} || {{No|Atheros L1e [1969 1026]}} || {{Yes|Atheros 5k AR242x}} || Nightly Build 2012, 2023 Aros One 32bit 2.4 || 2009 32bit |- | eeePC 901 1000 || 945GM || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{Yes|ALC269 HD Audio}} || {{Yes|USB}} || {{No|Atheros L1E (AR8121 AR8113 AR8114)}} || {{No|RaLink Device 2860 swap with Atheros 5k}} || 2011 Icaros 1.4, || 2009 32bit - 12v 3a psu - |- | eeePC Seashell 1000HA 1000HE 1008 1005HA || N280 + Intel GMA950 || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{Yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{Yes|HD Audio ALC269}} || {{Yes|USB}} || {{Maybe|Realtek but not Atheros AR8132 (L1c)}} || {{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || 2014 Aspire OS 1.6, || 2010 32bit - 12v 3a psu - |- | <!--Name-->eeePC 1001ha || <!--Chipset-->GMA945 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->legacy || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 950 (2D) || <!--Audio-->ALC269 HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Attansic Atheros AR8132 l1c}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RaLink RT3090 swap with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2010 32bit |- | eeePC 1001P T101MT 1005PX 1005PE 1015PE Pineview 1001PXD || NM10 and N450 N455 CPU || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D)}} || {{Yes|HD Audio}} || {{Yes|USB 2.0}} || {{No|Atheros AR8132 (l1c)}} || {{unk|Atheros AR928x 802.11n}} || 2010 Icaros 1.3.3, || 2011 64bit - 19V 2.1A 2.3x0.7 - |- | EeePC 1015B 1215B || single C-30 C30 or dual C-50 C50 + Hudson M1 || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{partial|AMD 6250 (VESA only)}} || ATI SBx00 HD Audio || USB || {{No|AR8152 v2.0 atl1c}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM4313 [14e4 4727]}} || untested recently || 2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->Flare X101CH Cedarview || <!--Chipset-->N2600 + N10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 6300 || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros l1c 2.0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros 9k AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Flare 1025CE 1225CE || <!--Chipset-->N2800 + N10 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{dunno|Intel GMA 3600}} || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros l1c 2.0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros 9k AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Dell Netbooks==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | Inspiron 910 Mini 9 PP39S Vostro A90 || GMA945 || {{Maybe|STEC 8G 16G 32G IDE PATA Parallel ATA miniPCIE SSD 50MM / 70MM very slow}} || {{N/A| }} || {{yes|Intel GMA 2D and 3D opengl1}} || {{yes|ALC268 HD Audio}} || {{yes|USB2 boots and works}} || {{yes|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8102E}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4310 and 4312 swap with atheros 5k bx32}} || ICAROS 1.3 but Icaros 2.3 (pci issues), AROS One 2.6 and Tiny AROS (digiclock startup) mouse cursor vanishes || 2008 32bit - 9inch 1024x600 screen - 1 ddr2 sodimm slot max 2gig - 19v 1.58a - 0 boot disk select - cr2032 battery under laptop base cover, while mem 2GB max under base flap - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron Mini 10 1010 PP19S || <!--Chipset-->Atom Z520 Z530 Intel US15W Poulsbo || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Intel GMA 500 (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio ALC269 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 RTL8102E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel or BCM4312}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2008 32bit - 10.10 inch 16:9, 1366 x 768 glossy - 28whr or 56wHr battery options - |- | [https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport/Machines/Netbooks#Dell%20Mini%2010v%20(Inspiron%201011) Mini 10v 1011] [http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Dell/InspironMini10v]|| Intel 950 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|ide legacy mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{maybe|HDAudio}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|RTL8102E 8103E}} || {{no|Dell 1397 Wireless}} || untested || 2008 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron Mini 1018 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Atom N455 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{partial|IDE mode }} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D, no VGA output)}} || <!--Audio-->{{partial|HD Audio head phones only - speaker and micro phone do not work}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|RTL8188CE or AR928X}} || <!--Test Distro-->2011 Icaros 1.5.1, || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - 1 DDR3 max 2gb - |- | Latitude 2100 || Intel Atom N270 N280 1.60Ghz GMA 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{Yes|set to IDE in bios as ahci not working || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D and 3D with tunnel 98 and gearbox 84)}} || {{yes|HD Audio with ALC272 codec}} || {{yes|USB2.0}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM5764M}} || {{No|Intel 5100 or BCM4322 DW 1510 half height mini pcie use small Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 AspireOS 1.8, Icaros 2.1.1 and AROS One USB 2.4 || 2009 32bit ddr2 sodimm max 2G - [https://sites.google.com/site/arosaspireone/about-aspire-one Webcam and card reader not working] lcd cable over hinge an issue - f12 bios and boot - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude 2110 2120 || <!--Chipset-->N470 1.83Ghz, N455 1.6Ghz, N550 1.5Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|ATA mode in bios not ahci}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel 3150 2D only}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with ALC269 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| swap for Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro-->2014 Icaros 2.3, || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - ddr2 sodimm |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====HP Compaq Netbooks==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | HP Mini 2133 || VIA C7-M P4M900 / 8237 VX700 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SATA}} || {{maybe|VIA Chrome 9 HC (VESA only)}} || {{no|VT1708/A HD Audio}} || USB || {{no|Broadcom Corp NetXtreme BCM5788}} || {{no|Broadcom Corp BCM4312}} || untested || 2008 32bit - |- | HP mini 1000 Mi 2140 ks145ut || N270 + 945GM || {{N/A}} || SATA || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D and opengl1 3d)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio (playback tested)}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || {{no|Marvell 88E8040}} || {{no|Broadcom Corp BCM4312 hard blocked}} || untested || 2009 32Bit - unable to change wifi card |- | <!--Name-->HP Mini 700 702 || <!--Chipset-->N270 + 945GSE || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio IDT 92HD75B (111d:7608, only playback tested)}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom hard locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - |- | Compaq HP Mini 110 110-3112sa || 945GM Express || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|IDE mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{yes|HD Audio IDT STAC 92xx}} || {{yes|USB 2.0}} || {{no|Atheros}} || {{no|Broadcom hard blocked Fn+F12}} || untested || 2009 32bit - unable to change wifi |- | HP Mini 200 210 || 945GM NM10 Express || {{N/A}} || SATA || Intel GMA 950 || {{Maybe|HDAudio with }} || USB || RTL8101E RTL8102E || {{no|Broadcom BCM4312 hard locked}} || untested || 2009 32bit - |- | HP Mini 311 DM1 (Quanta FP7) || N280 + ION LE || {{N/A}} || SATA || nVidia Geforce ION || {{maybe|HDAudio with }} || USB || eth || {{No|hard locked}} || untested || 2009 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |} ====Lenovo Netbooks==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | IdeaPad S9 S9e(3G) S10 S10e(3G) || 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SATA}} || {{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{maybe|ALC269 or SigmaTel HD Audio}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{no|Broadcom NetLink BCM5906M}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4312 hard blocked}} || untested || 2009 32bit - |- | IdeaPad S12 || Intel Atom N270 + Nvidia ION LE MCP79 || {{N/A}} || SATA || nVidia C79 ION [Quadro FX 470M] || {{maybe|ALC269 HD Audio}} || USB || {{no|Broadcom}} || {{no|Intel locked down}} || 2012 Icaros 2.0, || 2009 32bit - does not boot - cause unknown |- | S10-2 || 945GME and N280 CPU || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{maybe|ALC269 HD Audio}} || {{yes}} || {{yes|rtl8169}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4312 hard blocked}} || 2011 Icaros 1.3, || 2009 32bit - |- | S10-3 || NM410 and N450 CPU || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D)}} || {{maybe|HD Audio ALC269}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|rtl8169}} || {{no|Atheros 9285 or Broadcom BCM4312 hard blocked}} || 2011 Icaros 1.3, || 2009 32bit - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Samsung Netbooks==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | [http://www.amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=616910&topic_id=33755&forum=28#616910 NC10] || 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SATA}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{partial|SigmaTel HD Audio (playback only)}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{maybe|rtl8169 works but not Marvell 88E8040 sky2}} || {{yes|AR5007EG}} || 2011 Icaros 1.4, || 2009 32bit - Nano silver on keyboard and lcd ribbon cable over hinge issues |- | [http://www.sammywiki.com/wiki/Samsung_NC20 NC20] || VIA VX800 || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{maybe|VIA Chrome9 (VESA only)}} || ALC272 GR (VT1708A) HD Audio || {{yes|USB}} || {{no|Marvell 88E8040}} || {{yes|Atheros AR5001}} || untested || 2009 32bit - |- | NP-N110 NP-N120 || 945GSE || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{yes|ALC272 HD Audio or ALC6628}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{no|Marvell 88E8040}} || {{no|Realtek rtl8187}} || untested || 2009 32bit - Namuga 1.3M Webcam none |- | NP-N130 || 945GSE || {{N/A}} || {{yes|SATA in IDE mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 2D and opengl 1.x 99.5 tunnel 99 gearbox}} || {{yes|Intel HD with ALC272 ALC269 codec playback}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|RTL 8169.device - 8101e 8102e}} || {{no|rtl 8192se rtl8187 too small an area to swap for atheros 5k}} || untested || 2009 32bit - 10.x inch 1024 x 600 - Namuga 1.3M Webcam - front slide power on and f2 setup bios - keyboard 17.7mm Pitch is made with Silver Nano (Anti-Bacterial) tech - small touchpad - 1 ddr2 2rx16 sodimm slot 2G max - 44Wh |- | <!--Name-->Go NP-N310 || <!--Chipset-->N270 + 945GME || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio ALC6628}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{yes|Atheros5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2010 32bit - N280 version changed specs |- | NP-N510 || N270 euro N280 uk + ION MCP79 || {{N/A}} || SATA || nVidia C79 ION [Quadro FX 470M] || HD Audio || USB || Marvell 88E8040 || Realtek 8192E || untested || 2010 32bit - does not boot - cause unknown |- | NP-N145 Plus || n450 + NM10 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D, no VGA output)}} || {{yes|Realtek HD Audio}} || {{yes|USB2.0}} || {{no|Marvell 88E8040}} || {{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || untested || 2010 some support but often the trackpad does not work |- | <!--Name-->NC110 Axx || <!--Chipset-->NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->Sata || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC269 codec A9M22Q2 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4313 or Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - |- | NF210 Pineview || n455 or n550 + N10 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SATA}} || {{maybe|Intel GMA 3150 (needs retesting, VESA works)}} || {{yes|HD Audio}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{no|Marvell 88E8040}} || Wireless || untested || 2011 64bit - some support |- | <!--Name-->NS310 NP-NS310-A03UK || <!--Chipset-->N570 with NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use Vesa 2d }} || <!--Audio-->{{yes| ich7}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 realtek 810xe }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|bcm4313 }} || <!--Test Distro-->2022 AROS One 2.3, || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit Atom N570 or 1.5 GHz Intel Atom N550 dual core processor, 1 DDR3 sodimm slot memory, a 250GB hard drive, and a 10.1 inch, 1024 x 600 pixel 10.1" W7St - 2300mAh short life - |- | <!--Name-->[https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Samsung_N150 N150] NB30 || <!--Chipset-->MN10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8040}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285 or Realtek 8192E}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2011 a little support |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.kruedewagen.de/wiki/index.php/Samsung_N220 N210 N220] N230 || <!--Chipset-->N450 + NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC269 || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit no sse4.1 or avx - |- | <!--Name-->NC110 Pxx Cedarview || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{dunno|Intel GMA 3600}} || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 6000g}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- |} ====Toshiba Netbooks==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->NB100 || <!--Chipset-->945GM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|legacy}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC262 HD Audio}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{yes|AR5001}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Mini NB200 series NB205 || <!--Chipset-->N280 + GSE945 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|IDE legacy mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->ALC272 HD Audio || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{maybe|AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2009 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Mini 300 series NB305 || <!--Chipset-->N455 with NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->legacy || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 3150 (2D) || <!--Audio-->ALC272 HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|RTL8101E RTL8102E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{maybe|AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Mini 500 series NB505 NB520 NB550-10v || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->legacy || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 3150 (2D) || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|RTL8101E RTL8102E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek 8176 RTL 8188CE}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit - |- | [http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Toshiba-NB550D-AMD-Fusion-Netbook.46551.0.html Mini NB550D 10G] 108 (c30) 109 (c50) || C-50 + M1 || {{N/A}} || SATA || AMD 6250 (VESA only) || HD Audio || USB || {{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek 8111e}} || {{maybe|Atheros 9k}} || untested || 2011 64bit Realtek SD card reader |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Misc Netbooks==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="30%" |Comments |- | Cammy's A1600 || GME945 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe}} || {{yes|Intel GMA950 (2D)}} || {{yes|HD Audio playback}} || {{yes}} || {{no|JMC 250/260}} || Wireless || 2010 Icaros 1.2.4, || 2009 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu Siemens Amilo Mini Ui 3520 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 945 || <!--ACPI--> || <!--SATA-->{{yes}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->ALC269 HD Audio || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{yes|AR5001}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - |- | Guillemot Hercules eCafe EC-900 H60G-IA], Mitac MiStation and Pioneer Computers Dreambook Light U11 IL1 || Intel 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{maybe}} || {{yes|Intel GMA950 (2D)}} || {{Yes|HD Audio (playback only)}} || {{yes|uhci and ehci}} || {{yes|rtl8169}} || {{no|RAlink RT2860}} || untested || 2009 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Hannspree Hannsnote SN10E2 24 48 || <!--Chipset-->N450 + NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->IDE legacy mode || <!--Gfx-->Pineview Intel (2D) || <!--Audio-->ALC HD Audio || <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->Atheros l1c || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2009 32bit - |- | MSI Wind U90/U100 || GME945 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{partial|HD Audio ALC888s (playback only?)}} || {{yes|uhci 1.1 and ehci 2.0}} || {{yes|rtl8169}} || {{no|RaLink RT2860 RT2700E or rtl8187se (u100x)}} || 2011 Icaros 1.3, || 2009 32bit - |- | Advent 4211 || 945GSE || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || Intel GMA950 (2D) || ALC HD Audio || USB || rtl8169 || {{no|Intel 3945 ABG}} || untested || 2009 32bit - MSI U100 clone |- | <!--Name-->Hannspree Hannsnote SN10E1 || <!--Chipset-->N270 + GMA945 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->ALC HD Audio || <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E RTL8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|RaLink RT2860}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2009 32bit MSI U100 clone |- | <!--Name--> Vaio VGN-P11Z | <!--Chipset--> | <!--IDE--> {{dunno}} | <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} | <!--Gfx--> {{Partial|Intel (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{no|HD Audio}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Marvell}} | <!--Wireless--> {{unk|Atheros AR928X}} | <!--Test Distro-->2012 Icaros 2.0.3 | <!--Comments-->2008 32bit Rarely boots! |- | <!--Name-->Sony VPC-W11S1E | <!--Chipset-->N280 with 945GSE | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA950 - hdmi}} | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with realtek codec | <!--USB-->3 USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros AR8132}} | <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} | <!--Test Distro-->untested | <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - 10.1" 1366 x 768 glossy - 3hr battery life - |- | <!--Name-->Archos 10 Netbook || <!--Chipset-->Atom with ICH7 NM10 945GSE || <!--IDE-->{{No }} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC662 codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2008 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->MSI Wind U135 DX MS-N014 || <!--Chipset-->Intel N455 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D only accelerated}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|ALC662 rev 1}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|RTL}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros AR 9K}} || <!--Test Distro-->2015 Icaros 2.1, || <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - needs noacpi notls added to grub boot line to start up |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ===Desktop Systems=== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" | <!--OK-->{{Yes|'''Works well'''}} || <!--May work-->{{Maybe|'''Works a little'''}} || <!--Not working-->{{No|'''Does not work'''}} || <!--Not applicable-->{{N/A|'''N/A not applicable'''}} |- |} ====Acer==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->[https://www.acer.com/ac/en/ID/content/support-product/486;-; Veriton X270 VTX270] Intel Core 2 Duo ED7400C or Pentium dual-core UD7600C with 630i | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d Nvidia 7100 VGA and HDMI connections}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe| with realtek codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|4 rear and 5 front}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe| nForce}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 dvd | <!--Comments-->2009 64bit capable but would not fully boot, DHCP address timeout too short and failed often. Put in a third party NIC, worked - 1 PCI Express x16 slot and a free PCI x1 slot - internal thin long psu with 12pin - |- | <!--Name--> Imedia S1710 with Intel Dual Core E5200 | <!--IDE--> {{Yes|SATA/AHCI}} | <!--SATA--> {{Maybe|Native IDE}} | <!--Gfx--> {{Yes|Nvidia nForce 7100}} | <!--Audio--> {{Yes|Nvidia MCP73}} | <!--USB--> {{Yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{No|NVIDIA MCP73 Ethernet}} | <!--Test Distro--> Nightly Build 14-09-2023, AROS One 2.3 | <!--Comments--> 2009 64-bit - Boot over USB not working on front - 2 DDR2 dual channel max 8GB - DEL for entering Bios - F12 for boot menu - Bus weird, could be reason for Ethernet issue |- | <!--Name-->Acer Revo AR1600, R1600 AR3600, R3600, Packard Bell IMAX Mini N3600, ACER Veriton N260G N270G slim nettop subcompact | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|Native IDE mode, '''when it works''' boots}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Nvidia ION GeForce 9300M - nouveau 3d - '''when it boots''' 400 fps in shell'ed gearbox, 278 in tunnel, 42 in teapot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with alc662 codec but nothing from HDMI audio}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|Nvidia USB boot usb2 stick issues and slower with usb3 drives}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|MCP79 nForce}} | <!--Test Distro-->ArosOne 32bit very often boot stuck around ehciInit, 64bit ... | <!--Comments-->2009 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 Intel Atom 230 N280 - 20cm/8" high 1 ltr noisy fan - DEL setup F12 boot options - 2 ddr2 sodimm slots max 4GB - 19v special barrel size 5.5mm/1.7mm psu - 2 ddr2 sodimm slots max 4GB - atheros 5k AR5BXB63 wifi - 3 wire CMOS coin battery - |- | <!--Name-->Revo AR3610 R3610 3610 Atom 330 nettop subcompact dual core | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|Native IDE mode, '''when it works''' boots}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Nvidia ION GeForce 9400M LE MCP79MX 0x10de 0x087d - nouveau 3d - '''when it boots''' 400 fps in shell'ed gearbox, 278 in tunnel, 42 in teapot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with Realtek alc662 rev1 alc662-hd later ALC885 codec but nothing from HDMI audio}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|Nvidia USB with 1% chance slow boot with usb2 sticks, more issues with usb3 drives}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|RTL8211CL MCP79 nForce 0x10de 0x0ab0}} | <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 32bit 1.5, 1.6 and 2.4 usb around ehciInit or Kernel SATA, etc try ATA=off, and 64bit 1.2 USB boot often stuck at device 0x00000000b05228c8 interrrupt by using noacpi noiopica | <!--Comments-->2010 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 20cm/8" high 1 ltr noisy fan - non usb hub keyboard - DEL bios setup, F12 BBS POPUP/drive boot - 2 ddr2 sodimm slots max 4GB - 19v barrel psu with smaller inner pin size 5.5mm/1.7mm - replace wifi RT3090 ver c (0x1814 0x3090) with atheros 5k - 3 wire CMOS coin battery - |- | <!--Name-->Revo N281G | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|GMA 2d for GMA 3100}} | <!--Audio-->HD audio codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX and SSE 4.1 Atom D425 - 19v 65w barrel psu thinner inner pin - 2 DDR3L single channel max 4GB - replace wifi RT3090 ver d with atheros 5k mini pci-e - 1lr or 1.5 ltr dvdrw case 209.89 mm, (D) 209.89 mm, (H) 35.35 mm - del enter bios - 3 wire CMOS coin battery - |- | <!--Name-->REVO AR3700 R3700 3700 - ACER Veriton N282G *one long beep with two short - bios damaged *looping one long two short - video card fault *two short beeps - CMOS damaged *got one long and one short beep - board error? | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE ready in Bios * Known issue, boot into bios, set bios to UEFI and reboot, set bios back to defaults and reboot, blank display, repair with reflash of 8 pin Winbond W25Q socketed bios chip with ch341a using P01.B0L or P01.A4 renamed amiboot.rom}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Nvidia ION2 GT218 9400M class 0x10de 0x0a64 with vga fine but hdmi fussy over cable and display port used - 32bit nouveau 2d & 3d gearbox 404 tunnel 292 teapot 48 - 64bit not detected}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDA Intel with Realtek ALC662 rev1 codec 0x10ec 0x0662, head phones only but nothing from NVidia HDMI 0x10de 0x000b}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|Intel® NM10 Express (NM10 is basically an ICH7 with a die shrink and IDE removed) USB boots usb, installs usb, accesses ok}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 Realtek rtl8111g}} | <!--Test Distro-->AROS one 32bit USB 1.5 and 1.6 and ArosOne 64bit usb 1.2 | <!--Comments-->2011 Atom D525 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 20cm/8" high 1 ltr noisy fan - early 2 ddr2 sodimm slots but later 2 ddr3 sodimm slots 1Rx8 max 4GB - 19v barrel psu thinner pin - replace wifi RT3090 ver d with atheros 5k mini pci-e - cmos 3pin cr2032CL plastic wrapped - del bios f12 boot choice - |- | <!--Name-->Revo 70 (RL70) with or without dvdrw | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->6320 or 6310 | <!--Audio-->HD audio ALC662-VCO-GR codec | <!--USB-->USB2, 1.1 Hudson D1 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111E | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 AMD E450 1.65GHz - 19v 65w barrel psu thinner inner pin - 2 DDR3L single channel max 4GB - replace wifi RT3090 ver d with atheros 5k mini pci-e - 1lr or 1.5 ltr dvdrw case 209.89 mm, (D) 209.89 mm, (H) 35.35 mm - del enter bios - |- |} ====Asus==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->EEEbox B202 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA950 | <!--Audio-->Intel Azalia HDaudio with Realtek ALC662 or ALC888-GR CODEC | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111 or JM250 | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros | <!--Comments-->internal 3 types of wifi chipset not supported |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Dell==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name--> Precision 340 | <!--IDE--> {{yes}} | <!--SATA--> {{n/a}} | <!--Gfx--> {{n/a}} | <!--Audio--> {{yes|Intel AC97}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 1.1 (UHCI)}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{yes|3Com}} | <!--Test Distro--> Nightly Build 2014 09-27 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Dimension 2400 | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel 82845GL Brookdale G/GE (VESA 640x480 by 16)}} | <!--Audio-->{{Unk|AC97 with ADI codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|UHCI EHCI}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom 440x 4401}} | <!--Test Distro-->[http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?p=832495 Icaros 1.4] | <!--Comments-->Graphics chipset is capable of higher resolution. |- | <!--Name-->Dimension 4600 | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{dunno}} | <!--Gfx-->{{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel AC97 (use rear black port)}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|UHCI/EHCI}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Intel PRO/100}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.5.2 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex 170L | <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE}} | <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{no|Intel AC97}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{yes|Intel PRO/100}} | <!--Test Distro--> {{dunno}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex GX260 | <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE}} | <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{yes|Intel AC97}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Intel PRO/1000}} | <!--Test Distro--> Nightly Build 2014 09-27 | <!--Comments--> |- | Optiplex GX270 | {{yes|Working}} | {{partial|IDE mode}} | {{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | {{yes|Intel AC97}} | {{yes|USB 2.0}} | {{no|Intel PRO/1000}} | Icaros 1.5.2 | <!--Comments--> |- | Optiplex GX280 | {{yes|Working}} | {{partial|IDE mode}} | {{maybe|Intel GMA (only VESA tested)}} | {{yes|Intel AC97}} | {{yes|USB 2.0}} | {{no|Broadcom}} | Nightly Build 2014 09-27 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex GX520 | <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE}} | <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx--> {{yes|Intel GMA}} | <!--Audio--> {{partial|Intel AC97 (no line-out)}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro--> {{dunno}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex 745 | <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel GMA (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{partial|HD Audio (no volume control)}} | <!--USB--> {{partial|Only keyboard mouse (legacy mode)}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro--> {{dunno}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex 755 | <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel GMA (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{no|HD Audio}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Intel Gigabit}} | <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.5.1 | <!--Comments--> Around 25 second delay in booting from USB |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex 990 | <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> {{partial|non-RAID mode}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel HD (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Intel Gigabit}} | <!--Test Distro--> Nightly Build 2014 09-27 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Optiplex 360 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|ordinary boot gives VGA mode only - VESA}} | <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio (Analog Devices ID 194a)}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro-->Aspire Xenon | <!--Comments-->poor support |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse Vx0 (V90 V30), Vx0L (V10L V90L), Vx0LE (V30LE V90LE) from VIA C7 800GHz to Eden 1.2GHz | <!--IDE-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for S3 UniChrome Pro}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 VIA VT8233A with ?? codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 back and 1 front USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|early models work but later VT6102-3 do not}} | <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 2.2 | <!--Comments-->2006 to 2009 32bit - 12V 4A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm - 1 sodimm DDR 333MHz SO-DIMM later DDR2 - early V90s do seem to have a reliability problem - |- | <!--Name-->[https://www.poppedinmyhead.com/2021/01/wyse-cx0-thin-client-notes-experiences.html Dell Wyse Cx0] C00LE, C10LE, C30LE, C50LE, C90LE, C90LE7, C90LEW VIA C7 Eden 1GHz | <!--IDE-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d VX855 VX875 Chrome 9}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|some VIA VT8237A VT8251 HDA with ?? codec work}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|4 outside 2 inside USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|VT6120 VT6121 VT6122 Gigabit}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 | <!--Comments-->2010 to 2013 32bit - [https://ae.amigalife.org/index.php?topic=815.0 boots and works] - 12V 2.5A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm - 1 sodimm ddr2 - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Dell RxxL Rx0L Wyse thin client *R00L Cloud PC of Wyse WSM *R10L Wyse Thin OS *R50L Suse Linux Enterprise *R90L Win XP Embedded *R90LW Win Embedded Standard 2009 *R90L7 Win Embedded Standard 7 | <!--IDE-->128Mb IDE or 1GB | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|SATA Hyperdisk}} | <!--Gfx-->AMD 690E RS690M Radeon Xpress 1200 1250 1270 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->4 usb2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2009 64bit AMD Sempron™ 210U SMG210UOAX3DVE 1.5GHz SB600, up to 4GB single slot 240-pin DDR2 DIMM, 19v barrel psu, DEL key bios - Late 2012 2 data sockets added but only CN18 be used with two white sockets (CN13 & CN15) can used to power the SATA device "4-pin Micro JST 1.25mm |- | <!--Name-->Optiplex 390 sff small form factor - mt mini tower desktop - dt full desktop | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|1 pci-e}} | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|realtek}} | <!--Test Distro-->aros one 1.6 usb | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit dual i3 2xxx - kettle iec plug psu cable - add nvidia gf218 gfx - error code 3 mobo or cpu - |- | <!--Name-->Optiplex 3010 sff small form factor | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|1 pci-e}} | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom 57XX}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit dual i3 3xxx - kettle iec plug psu cable - |- | <!--Name-->Optiplex 7010 sff small form factor | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|1 pci-e}} | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom or Intel 825xx}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit dual i3 3xxx Q77 - kettle iec plug psu cable - add pci-e ethernet and nvidia gf218 gfx - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse 5010 thin client ThinOS D class (D10D D00D D00DX, Dx0D), PCoIP (D10DP) or D90D7, 5040 *username: Administrator, admin, [blank] *password: Fireport, DellCCCvdi, rappot, Wyse#123, Administrator, administrator, r@p8p0r+ | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE mode may need 30cm ext cable as small area for half-slim sata ssd - decased new ssd??}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d 1400x1050 HD6250E IGP by using DVI to hdmi cable and 1 display port, no hdmi port}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD 6.34 audio chipset detected but codec alc269 working from one case speaker - none if v6.29 used}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|most 5010 have 4 USB 2.0 but D90Q7 has 2 USB3 instead}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8168 8169 - rev 1.?? 8111? - rev 1.91 8111E}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit no SSE4.1 or AVX slow AMD G-T44R 1.2Ghz later G-T48E 1.4Ghz Dual Bobcat Brazos BGA413 - Del for BIOS - p key to select boot with noacpi - single DDR3 sodimm slot max 4Gb, (8Gb hynix 2rx8 ddr3l)? (remove small board to upgrade) - passive no fan - 15cm/6" small 1ltr case and lack of expansion options - PA16 19v barrel psu Coax 5.5mm/2.5mm |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse 7010 DTS thin client (Z class Zx0D) *2011 Zx0 Z90D7 2GF/2GR *2013 Z10D *2014 Z50D 2GF/2GR *2012 Cisco VXC 6000 CVXC-6215-K9 white | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|Bios set Sata mode to IDE mode and grub boot add 'noacpi' for half slim sata2 ssd or/with 50cm sata ext cable}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d HD6310 HD6320 Terascale 2 through DVI and sometimes DP 1.1a - no hdmi port}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio 6.34 detected but ALC269VB codec works on the one case speaker only}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|2.0 works but NEC 720200 3.0 not working}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8169 8111e 8111F}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 and Aros One 32bit 1.5, 1.9 and 2.3 usb and 64bit 1.2 | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 slow AMD G-t52R 1.5GHz later G-T56N 1.65 GHz Dual with A50M FCH - 20cm/8" high 1.5ltr larger fanless black plastic case with metal ventilated box inside - 2 desktop DDR3L DIMM slots max 16GB - PA-16 19v external psu Coax 5.5mm/2.5mm - 2 40cm SMA female WiFi Antenna to IPEX IPX u.fl Ufl Cable pigtail needed - does not like uefi boot devices - |- | <!--Name-->Wyse 7020 Thin Client * 2013 Quad-core AMD GX-420CA 2.0 GHz (25W) - * 2018 Zx0Q Quad-core AMD GX-415GA 1.5 GHz (15W) with Quad display 3dp and 1dvi | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 sata port | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d only for AMD Radeon HD8400E radeonsi (dual display) or AMD Radeon HD 8330E IGP with AMD Radeon E6240 Seymour E6460 (quad display), no hdmi ports}} | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->4 x USB2.0 works but 2 USB3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8169 8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 quad eKabini Jaguar cores - two SODIMM sockets layered in centre of mobo DDR3L RAM - Coax 5.5mm/2.5mm ac psu 9mm plug is too short but 14mm length is fine - 15cm/6" high smaller 1ltr case and lack of expansion options - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse Dx0Q (5020) D90Q8 NJXG4 AMD G-Series | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 sata port | <!--Gfx-->HD 8330E | <!--Audio--> with Realtek codec | <!--USB-->4 x USB2.0 works but 2 USB3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8169 8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 Quad-core AMD GX-415GA 1.5 GHz - 2 layered near edge of mobo 204-pin DDR3L SODIMM (bottom one tricky to insert) - 19v Coax 5.5mm/2.5mm - passive no fan - 15cm/6" high smaller 1ltr case and lack of expansion options |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse 5060 N07D thin client | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE bios mode for sata2 port}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2d - AMD R5E GCN2 IGP Sea Islands thru dp1 with an hdmi adapter no output thru dp2 - no hdmi dvi ports}} | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio with Realtek ALC231 codec head phones only}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|4 x USB2.0 works but 2 USB3.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 realtek 8169 8111h}} | <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 1.6 usb | <!--Comments-->2017 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 quad GX-424CC 19.5v external psu - CN-0Y62H1 mobo with 2 layered ddr3l 16Gb max sodimm slots at edge of mobo, bottom 0 one blocking - passive no fan so quiet - 15cm/6" high smaller 1ltr case and lack of expansion options - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Fujitsu Siemens==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="15%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | Scenic [http://uk.ts.fujitsu.com/rl/servicesupport/techsupport/ProfessionalPC/Scenic/ScenicE/ScenicE.htm E600] (compact desktop) | | | {{partial|VESA only}} | {{yes|AC97}} | | {{no|Intel PRO/1000}} | {{dunno}} | Nice small, silent PC with good AROS support. |- | Scenic T i845 | {{dunno}} | {{n/a}} | {{n/a}} | {{dunno|Intel AC97}} | {{dunno|UHCI}} | {{dunno|Intel PRO/100}} | Icaros 1.5.2 | AROS does not boot |- | <!--Name-->Futro S200 S210 S220 and later S300 | <!--IDE-->{{yes| compactflash CF card max ??}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 315PRO PCI/AGP }} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|AC97 via }} | <!--USB-->{{unk|via uhci and ehci}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|via VT6102 [Rhine-II] (rev 74) }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2008 32bit - TR5670 Rev 1.4 mother with Transmeta TM5800 cpu - pci socket - single SODIMM socket for DDR memory PC2700S max 512MB - |- | <!--Name-->Futro S400 | <!--IDE-->{{yes| but swap with compactflash CF card already with AROS installed}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS741CX }} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|AC97 SiS7018}} | <!--USB-->{{unk|sis uhci and ehci}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|rtl8169 }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2008 32bit - AMD Geode NX1500 1GHz gets hot - SiS 963L / SiS 741CX chipset - 12V 4.2A 4-pin (DP-003-R) psu - single SODIMM socket for DDR PC2700S max 1G - large case 246 x 48 x 177cms torx screws - pci socket - |- | <!--Name-->FUJITSU Futro S700 and S900 Thin Client (based on mini-ITX motherboard D3003-A12, D3003-C1 lesser variant of [https://www.parkytowers.me.uk/thin/Futro/s900/TechNotes_V3.1_Mini-ITX_D3003-S.pdf D3003-S]) *G-T56N 1.65GHz *G-T40N 1.00GHz *G-T44R 1.20GHz | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 sata data socket but mSata 18+8pins 1GB-16GB | <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 6320, HD 6250, HD 6290 dvi or displayport (DP runs higher) | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->{{yes|two USB2 front sockets and four on the rear}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit AMD slow atom-like and fanless - 20V 2A psu 5.5mm/2.1mm coax (S900) - 2 DDR3L SODIMM sockets max 8GB tricky to run 1333 MHz on the Futro S900 - proprietary X2 PCI-e - 1 PCI socket but need a right-angle adaptor - |- | <!--Name-->esprimo p420 e85 desktop case | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx-->Intel 4600 or old Geforce in pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HDAudio realtek alc671 codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2013 64bit - 2 ddr3 dimm slots - 16 pin special psu - |- | <!--Name-->esprimo E420 e85+ SFF case | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx-->Intel 4600 or low profile pci-e card | <!--Audio-->HDAudio realtek alc671 codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 8111G | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2013 64bit - 2 ddr3 dimm slots - 16ish pin special psu - hd under front metal bracket, take front cover off first with 3 tabs - 3 slim pci-e slots - |- | <!--Name-->Futro S520 AMD dual 1.0Ghz codenamed "Steppe Eagle" * GX-210HA @ 1.0GHz * GX-212ZC @ 1.2GHz | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->no sata - 4Gb or 16Gb flash memory soldered to the board | <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon HD 8210E (GX210HA) or AMD Radeon R1E (GX212ZC) | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111e | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - smaller than ITX 160mm x 160mm Fujitsu D3314-A11 - 19V 3.4A PSU standard 5.5mm/2.1mm coax plug - 1 ddr3 sodimm slot - |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu Futro S720 ThinClient D3313-B13 D3313-F *2014 64bit AMD GX-217GA 1.65GHz VFY:S0720P8009FR VFY:S0720P8008DE VFY:S0720P4009GB *2015 64bit AMD GX-222GC 2.20GHz VFY:S0720P702BDE VFY:S0720P702BFR all begin VFY:S0720P and end two digit country code | <!--IDE--> {{N/A|}} | <!--SATA--> {{Yes|up to 2 Sata-cable-connector with space in casing so normal SSD/HDD over Sata was running very well on AHCI and IDE-Mode and 2242 mSata}} | <!--Gfx--> {{Maybe|use VESA 2D for AMD Radeon HD 8280E IGP ( islands) or later R5E IGP ( islands)}} | <!--Audio--> {{yes|HDAudio ALC671 codec partially working, external audio speaker}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|4 rear USB 2.0 but not front 2 USB 3.1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8169}} | <!--Test Distro-->AROS One USB 2.0 | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit supports AVX and SSE 4.1 - 1 ddr3 Sodimm slot max 8Gb - 19V-20V 2A 5.5mm/2.5mm coax - D3313-B13 stripped down Mini-ITX mobo D3313-S1/-S2/-S3 (eKabini) D3313-S4/-S5/-S6 - SATA data socket can be located under the fins of the cpu heatsink is fanless - mPCIe socket for wireless card - |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu FUTRO S920 D3313-E D3313-G *2016 AMD GX-222GC SOC 2.20GHz Dual *2017 AMD G-Series GX-415GA (1.50 GHz, Quad Core, 2 MB, AMD Radeon™ HD 8330E) *2017 AMD G-Series GX-424CC 2.40 GHz Quad | <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> {{yes|2242 mSata and 1 Sata-cable-connector with space in casing so normal SSD/HDD over Sata possible}} | <!--Gfx--> {{yes|use VESA 2D for Radeon R5E GCN2/3 IGP}} | <!--Audio--> {{yes|HDAudio ALC671 codec partially working}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|4 rear USB 2.0, front 2 USB 3.1 downgradable to 2.0 in BIOS setting}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8169}} | <!--Test Distro--> AROS One USB 2.4 | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 2 so dimm slot with max of 8 GB - 19v barrel psu 5.5mm 2.5mm - SATA data socket can be located under the fins of the heatsink - mPCIe a e keyed socket for wireless card - propetary X2 connector with official raizer to X1 connector - almost silent background noise, not affecting sound quality in any way |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu Thin Client Futro S5011 S7011 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2D for AMD Vega 3 on 2 dp 1.4}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with ALC623 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 USB 3.2 Gen 2 front and 3 usb2 rear }} | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - AMD Ryzen Dual Core R1305G or R1505G 1ltr case - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - TPM 2.0 - 19v 3.42amp round coax or usb-c 20c 3.25a external psu - |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu FUTRO S9011 Thin Client VFY:S9011THU1EIN || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2D for AMD Vega 3 on 2 dp 1.4}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with ALC623 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 USB 3.2 Gen 2 front and 3 usb2 rear }} || <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit Ryzen Embedded R1606G - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - TPM 2.0 - |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} ====HP Compaq==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Compaq presario 7360 | <!--IDE-->{{yes|Working}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|AC97 via}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|issues}} | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Compaq EP Series 6400/10 | <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE}} | <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} | <!--Gfx--> {{N/A}} | <!--Audio--> {{no|ISA}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 1.1}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{N/A}} | <!--Test Distro--> {{dunno}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Compaq Evo D510 | {{yes|Working}} | {{N/A}} | {{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | {{yes|AC97}} | {{yes|Working}} | {{yes|Intel PRO/100}} | Icaros 1.5 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Compaq DX2000 MT | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Intel Extreme 2 (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio-->{{no|detects AC97 but no support for ADI AD1888 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|OHCI/EHCI }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82526EZ e1000}} | <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.51 | <!--Comments-->boots ok but no audio |- | <!--Name-->Compaq DX 2200 | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|RC410 [Radeon Xpress 200] (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio-->{{dunno|HD Audio}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|OHCI/EHCI issues }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} | <!--Test Distro--> {{dunno}} | <!--Comments-->issues |- | <!--Name--> d230 | <!--IDE--> {{yes|UDMA}} | <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{partial|Intel AC97 (speaker and headphones only, no line-out)}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{Maybe|Broadcom BCM4401}} | <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.4.5 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->HP Pavilion a220n || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|VESA 1024x768 on nVidia GF4 MX with 64MB shared video ram}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Realtek ALC650 AC'97 comp.}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8201BL 10/100 LAN}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 2.5|| <!--Comments-->2004 32bit athlon xp 2600+ Socket 462 / Socket A - 2 dimm ddr pc2700 - |- | <!--Name-->t500 | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|FX5200 (2D; 3D with older driver)}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 ICH4 ALC658D}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|UHCI/EHCI}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8101L 8139}} | <!--Test Distro-->Nightly Build 2012-09-22 | <!--Comments-->2004 |- | <!--Name-->DC7700 | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 2D}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes| ICH8}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|82566DM e1000e}} | <!--Test Distro-->Nightly Build 2013-??-?? | <!--Comments-->2006 Some support at low cost |- | <!--Name-->HP dc 7600 CMT | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 950}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Realtek ACL 260}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel PRO/1000 GT}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->HP t5000 thin client series t5500 t5510 t5515 PC538A or PC542A t5700 t5710 Transmeta Crusoe Code Morphing TM 5400 5600 800Mhz | <!--IDE-->128mb to 512MB | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->Ati Radeon 7000M | <!--Audio-->VIA with codec | <!--USB-->{{No|Issues}} | <!--Ethernet-->VIA Rhine 2 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2006 32bit - ddr max 1GB - F10 setup - all t51xx and some t55xx units will not include a SODIMM slot - |- | <!--Name-->HP t5000 thin client series CN700 *HSTNC-002L-TC t5135, t5530 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d 128Mb Via S3 32-bit colour | <!--Audio-->AC97 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->VIA VT6102 VT6103 [Rhine-II] (rev 78) | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 32bit t5135 appears identical to the t5530 except the CPU VIA Esther 400 MHz - RAM 64Mb (? max) - 8 x USB2.0 - 12V 3.33A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm |- | <!--Name-->HP t5720, t5725 HSTNC-001L-TC | <!--IDE-->{{unk| }} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d SiS741GX 2048 x 1536 32-bit colour | <!--Audio-->AC97 SiS SiS7012 AC'97 | <!--USB-->6 x USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->VIA VT6102 VT6103 [Rhine-II] (rev 8d) | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 32bit AMD Geode NX1500 1GHz socketed - RAM 512MB or 1GB, 256MB, 512MB or 1GB - 12V psu - sis DDMA support - custom 1.13 BIOS - pci low profile - |- | <!--Name-->t5000 series VX800 HSTNC-004-TC t5145, t5540, t5545, t5630 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d VIA Chrome9 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio VIA | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|VT6120 VT6121 VT6122 Gigabit (rev 82)}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 32bit - RAM 64Mb (? max) - 8 x USB2.0 - 12V 4.16A Coax: 5.5mm/2.1mm - |- | <!--Name-->t5730w HSTNC-003-TC t5730 | <!--IDE-->{{n/a|ATA 44pin DOM Flash}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d ATI Radeon X1250 2048 x 1536 no 3D | <!--Audio-->HD audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{Yes|6 x USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom 5707M tg3 10/100/1000}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2008 64bit AMD Sempron 2100+ 1GHz - 1 slot of ddr2 sodimm (Max 2GB) - 12V 4.16A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm - F10 enter bios F12 boot devices - |- | <!--Name-->HSTNC-005-TC gt7720, gt7725 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d AMD RS780G HD 3200 - 2560 x 1600 DVI-D & DVI-H | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->8 x USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5787M}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2009 64bit AMD Turion Dual Core CPU 2.3GHz - 1 DDR2 200-pin SODIMM - 19V 4.16A Coax 7.4mm/5.0mm (gt7725) - |- | <!--Name-->HP t5740 Thin Client HSTNC-006-TC t5740, t5745, st5742 | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->1 port | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Intel CL40 VGA and DisplayPort connectors}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with IDT codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM57780 Gigabit}} | <!--Test Distro-->Nightly build and Icaros | <!--Comments-->2009 32bit Atom N280 - F10 on power up to get into the BIOS screens. F12 brings up the boot options - hp 19V one with a coax connector, outer diameter 4.8mm with inner to be 1.7mm to 1.4mm - 2 ddr3 sodimm slots max 3gb due to 32bit - 1 pci-e slot completely non standard - |- | <!--Name-->t5000 series HSTNC-012-TC VIA Nano u3500 VX900 *t5550 512MB/1GB Windows CE6 R3 *t5565 1GB/1GB HP ThinPro *t5570 2GB/1GB WES 2009 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d VIA ChromotionHD 2.0 GPU Chrome9 | <!--Audio-->VIA 9170 VT1708S codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM57780 Gigabit}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->32bit - 1 sodimm - 19V 3.42A supply connector standard yellow-tip coax plug 4.8mm/1.8mm "Standard HP Compaq DC Power Plug 4.8mm x 1.5mm / 1.7mm Yellow Tip Connector - |- | <!--Name-->HP t510 Via Eden X2 U4200 HSTNC-012-TC shares features with t5570e, t5565z | <!--IDE-->2G ATA Flash DOM | <!--SATA-->one | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for Chrome9 VIA ChromotionHD 2.0 gfx}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|VIA VT8237A VT8251 HDA with codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|6 USB2 }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom Corporation NetLink BCM57780 Gigabit Ethernet PCIe}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 32bit - one slot ddr3 sodimm max 4GB - 19V 3.42A Coax 4.8mm/1.8mm - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->HP T610 Thin Client and thicker PLUS version AMD G-T56N A55E | <!--IDE-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 6320 1 dp port 1 dvi | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC codec | <!--USB-->two USB2 on the front, two USB2 and two USB 3 ports on the rear | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM57780}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 64bit does not support AVX SSE 4.1 - 2 204-pin DDR3 1600MHz SODIMMs PC3-12800 under motherboard via removable panel - 19.5V 3A Coax male 7.4mm/5.0mm + centre pin - |- | <!--Name-->HP T420 Thin Client *AMD Embedded G-Series GX-209JA SOC (1 GHz, 2 cores) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 8180 dvi vga | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC codec | <!--USB-->2 front 2 rear USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2015 64bit supports AVX SSE 4.1 - soldered in place 2GB DDR3 - smaller than usual 19.5V 2.31A Coax male 4.5mm/3.0mm + centre pin - usb stick internal for storage - E15 BBR - |- | <!--Name-->HP t520 TPC-W016 *AMD GX-212JC 1.2Ghz (2 core) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 m.2 mounting holes for 2242 and 2260 SSDs SATA (not NVME) | <!--Gfx-->Radeon R2E GCN2 IGP Sea Islands | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC codec | <!--USB-->2 USB3 front, 4 USB2 back | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2014 2017 64 bit supports AVX SSE 4.1 - 1 204-pin DDR3 SODIMM - 19.5V 3.33A 7.4mm Coax with central pin |- | <!--Name-->HP t620 TPC-I004-TC *AMD G-Series GX-217GA 2 core APU 1.65GHz (65W) *AMD GX-415GA 4 core (65W) and t620 PLUS (PRO wider version) TPC-I020-TC *AMD GX-420CA SOC 4 core (Plus 85W) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|single M.2 2280 socket sata3, mSATA socket removed end of 2014}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2d for Radeon HD 8280E graphics 8330E Islands GCN2 IGP - 2 dp ports no dvi}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio with Realtek ALC221 codec 0x10EC 0x0221}} | <!--USB-->{{unk|4 front, 2 back, 1 inside limited space}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8169}} | <!--Test Distro-->Aros One 32bit with noacpi added to grub boot line | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit supports AVX SSE 4.1 - 2 DDR3L SODIMMs side by side - mSATA ssd and M.2 SSD are M1.6 screws, M2.0 screws used on most SSDs - 19.5V 3.33A Coax male 7.4mm 5mm with centre pin - changed the network card to a Atheros 5000 compatible - |- | <!--Name-->HP T530 *AMD GX-215JJ (2 core) 1.5GHz | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 m.2 sata ssd up to 2280 | <!--Gfx-->Radeon R2E | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC codec | <!--USB-->1 USB3.1, 1 usb-c front, 4 USB2 back | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2015 64 bit does support AVX SSE 4.1 - 1 204-pin DDR4 SODIMM - 19.5V 2.31A Coax male 4.5mm/3.0mm with centre pin - |- | <!--Name-->HP T730 Wider "Thin" Client TPC-I018-TC Pixar RX-427BB (2c4t) - no display and fans blowing full speed caused by '''disabling internal gpu in bios''' flash L43_0116.bin onto smc MX25L6473F (3.3V 8-PIN SOP (200mil) SPI 25xx) ([https://www.badcaps.net/forum/troubleshooting-hardware-devices-and-electronics-theory/troubleshooting-desktop-motherboards-graphics-cards-and-pc-peripherals/bios-schematic-requests/96303-hp-t730-password-locked-bios in the rom rcvry socket under a delicate thin narrow surface flap]) with ch341a alike switchable from 5v, 3.3v to 1.8v | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{partial|Storage bios option to IDE and not AHCI to prevent constant install error messages to DH0: - add noacpi to end of grub boot line - 1 M.2 SATA slot (Key B+M) up to 2280 with T8 torx secure stub}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|use VESA for non-vulkan Radeon R7 GCN 2 UVD4.2 Sea Islands with 4 dp outs '''but too easy bricking''' if swapping with 1 PCIe 3.0 x8 slot 30W slim factor low profile 8400gs gt210 nvs295 nvs310 gt1030}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDaudio 6.34 realtek alc221 codec thru case speaker only}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|'''Works''' for 4 USB2 in the back with 2 in the front, 2 USB3.0 ports on front and 1 more internal (not bootable)}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111HSH-CG set up first in Prefs/Network}} | <!--Test Distro-->boots with AROS One 32bit and 64bit USB with added noacpi added to grub boot line - press e - Latest distros can select grub boot options with Aros One 64bit USB and Aros One USB 2.8 but system seems to freeze after choice | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit supports AVX SSE 4.1 - 2 DDR3L sodimm stacked slots max 32GB - '''Larger''' 20cm/8" high 3.5ltr case noisy fan - TPM2 - esc/F9 boot selector F10 enter bios - 2 serial and 1 parallel old ports - Key E Wireless - PCIe slot (x16 physical, x8 electrical) - 19.5V 4.36A 85w TPC-LA561 HP 7.4mm black-ring-tip power plug, red flashing power button, wrong psu or bad MotherBoard MB - |- | <!--Name-->HP t630 Thin Client TPC-I020-TC *AMD Embedded G-Series SoC GX-420GI quad core 2Ghz | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|ahci.device mbr msdos partiton table for 2 Sata M.2, sata0 up to 2280 (1tb max), sata1 2242 (64gb max), both T8 torx secure stubs}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|use VESA for Radeon AMD Wani R7E with 2 displayport 1.2 sockets, use one nearest to power jack - no dvi / hdmi}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio 6.36 0x1022, 0x157a and ALC255 aka ALC3234 codec 0x10ec, 0x0255, pins 0x17 as LFE and 0x1b as int speaker but not ahi 6.34}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2 2 front and 2 rear, 2 front USB3 and 1 inside}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8169 8111H}} | <!--Test Distro-->AROS One USB 2.2, 2.8 and 64bit USB 1.0, 1.2, 1.3 with noacpi added to the end of the grub bootline (press e) | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit supports AVX SSE 4.1 - 2 DDR4 SODIMMs side by side speed 1866Mhz limit - 19.5V 3.33A 65W TPC-BA54 Coax male 7.4mm with centre pin - can be easily bricked, might reflash bios with M40 SP149736 - 20cm/8" high 1.5ltr larger fanless case - esc f1 f9 f10 - |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq Elite 7200 7300 8200 8300 SFF with kettle IEC psu cable | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{yes|IDE ata legacy only in BIOS}} | <!--Gfx-->i pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|8200 works}} | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel or Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro-->icaros 2.3 | <!--Comments-->2013 64bit dual core - add pci-e rtl8169 ethernet card and pci-e gf210 nvidia low height - |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq Pro 6305 Small Form Factor SFF AMD A75 chipset (FCH 6 SATA 6 Gb/s, 4 USB 3.0) *AMD Quad A10-5800B *AMD A8-5500B *AMD Dual A6-5400B *AMD A4-5300B | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 7000 Terascale iGPU series Radeon HD 7660D, Radeon HD 7560D, Radeon HD 7540D, Radeon HD 7480D | <!--Audio-->HD ALC221 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom 5761}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Elitedesk 705 G1 - SFF *AMD A10-8850B, Quad-Core A10 PRO-7850B, A10-8750B *AMD A10-7800B, A10 PRO-6800B, A8-7600B *AMD A8-8650B, A6-8550B *AMD A6-8350B, Dual A6 PRO 7400B, A4-7300B | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D with Radeon R7 or 8000}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD audio with Realtek ALC221 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom or Intel}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - T15 security torx psu with 6pin PWR 200W connector - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteDesk 705 G2, 705 G3 Mini PC USFF thin client | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2.5in and m.2 | <!--Gfx-->Radeon R7 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5762 GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit AM4 socket with 35W TDP A10-8770E (4c), AMD PRO A6-8570E (2c), AMD Pro A6-9500E, or AMD PRO A10-9700E on AMD B300 FCH - ddr4 sodimm slots - 77 x 175 x 34mm (6.97 x 6.89 x 1.34in) 1L and about 3lbs - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteDesk 705 G4 Mini 1ltr USFF AMD Ryzen 3 2200G (4c t) or 5 2400G (4c t) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|Nvme 2280 and 2.5in sata}} | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 thru DP1.2 port | <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio Conexant codec}} | <!--USB-->USB2 usb3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit Am4 socket - 2 sodimm 16GB max - 19.5v hp socket ext psu - |- | <!--Name-->Elitedesk 705 G4 35w, HP Prodesk 405 G4 35W USFF - baseboard 83e9 35W - AMD Athlon PRO 200GE (2c 4t), 2200GE (4c t) or 2400GE (4c t) on AMD B350 FCH | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|Nvme 2280 and older models 2.5in sata}} | <!--Gfx-->Vega 3, 8 or 11 with 2 dp1.2 ports | <!--Audio-->{{no|HDAudio with Conexant CX20632 codec}} | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8169 8111EPH 1Gbe or Realtek RTL8111F | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2017 64bit - realtek wifi 8821 or 8822 - up to 1 ddr4 dimm slots - hp barrel external ac - |- | <!--Name-->Elitedesk 705 G5, HP Elitedesk 806 G6, Prodesk 405 G6 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2x NVMe or 1x SATA + 1x NVMe, but not all three drives at the same time without serious modding of hd caddie || <!--Gfx-->Vega with DP1.4 port || <!--Audio-->{{no|HDAudio with Realtek ALC3205 codec}} || <!--USB-->USB3 || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - 3400GE Ryzen 5 PRO 3350GE (4c 8t), Ryzen 3 PRO 3200GE 3150GE (4c 4t), AMD Athlon Silver PRO 3125GE (2c 4t) on AMD PRO 565 |- | <!--Name-->HP t540 1ddr4 slot, t640 2 DDR4 SDRAM sodimm SO-DIMM 260-pin non-ECC max 32gb thin client USFF | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 NVM Express (NVMe) 2230 or 2280 | <!--Gfx-->Vega 3 VGA, DisplayPort | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->2 USB3 gen1 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek Realtek RTL8111HSH or RTL8111E PH-CG | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2019 64bit ryzen r1000 series Ryzen Embedded R1305G 1.5 GHz, R1505G dual (2c 4t) 2.0Ghz or R1606G ?.?Ghz (2c4t) - Realtek RTL8852AE wifi - 45W psu Coax male 4.5mm/3.0mm + centre pin - |- | <!--Name-->HP t740 SFF Thin Client | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 M.2, one is sata and other nvme | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 DisplayPort or + optional pci-e 30W Radeon E9173 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8111E PH-CG 1Gbe | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - Ryzen Embedded V1756B 3.25Ghz quad - 90W 19.5V 4.62A psu Coax male 4.5mm/3.0mm + centre pin - sodimm DDR4 max 64Gb - slightly noisy fan - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteDesk 805 G6 Mini 4750GE (8t 16t), Prodesk 405 G6 Ryzen 5 PRO 4650GE (6c 12t) or Ryzen 3 PRO 4350GE (4c 8t) on AMD PRO 565 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2.5in carrier and 2 slots m.2 nvme | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 with DP1.4 and HDMI flex io2 output options | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC3205 codec | <!--USB-->4 usb a - gen 2 10gig and gen 1 5gig ports | <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit AMD Ryzen 4000 SBC unlocked - 2 sodimm ddr4 slots - wifi6 - 90W ac - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Lenovo==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Lenovo Nettop IdeaCentre Q150 (40812HU) | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->ION2 | <!--Audio--> realtek codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->intel 10/100 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit D510 |- | <!--Name-->M625q Tiny (1L) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->M.2 Sata | <!--Gfx-->Stoney Radeon R2, R3 or R4 and later R5 with 2 dp ports | <!--Audio-->HD audio with ALC233-VB2-CG codec 0x10EC 0x0233 | <!--USB-->{{No|3 usb3.1 Gen 1 and 3 usb2}} | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 RTL8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit all dual cores - e2-9000e or a4-9120e later A9-9420e - heatsink covers 70% area covers wifi - 65w or 135w lenovo rectangle ac - 1 ddr4 2666MHz slot max 8gb - tpm 2.0 - |- | <!--Name-->M715q Gen 1 AMD A6 A8 A10-9700E 9770E (2c2t) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->m.2 | <!--Gfx-->R4 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->M715q Gen 2 Ryzen 5 PRO 2400GE 4C 8T | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->m.2 | <!--Gfx-->Vega 11 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - f1 enter setup, esc device boot - fixed 1.8v ch341a needed to reflash 1.8v bios if no boot SOP8 DIP8 Winbond W25Q64, MXIC MX25U1635, MX25U6435 - |- | <!--Name-->ThinkCenter M75n nano Ryzen3 3300U | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->ThinkCentre M75q M75q-1 Tiny 1ltr TMM *AMD Ryzen 5 PRO Quad 3500 Pro 3400GE (4c 8t) 11a5 soe400 *AMD 3200GE (2c 4t) zen1+ 11a4 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|NVMe 2280 1Tb max - untested 2.5inch}} | <!--Gfx-->Vega 11 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio Realtek ALC222-CG codec ALC3287 | <!--USB-->3 USB3 Gen 1 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8169 8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 65w 20v 3.25A to 135W rectangle psu - 2 sodimm ddr4 sodimm max 32GB locked 2666MHz - |- | <!--Name-->ThinkCentre Ryzen 7 PRO Tiny 1ltr Gen 2 AMD 4000 series *AMD 4650GE (6c12t) 4750GE (8c16t) 4350G (4c8t) Zen2 - | <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|NVme}} | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8169 8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit vendor locked - 20v psu - 2 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkcenter M75q-2 Gen2 refresh | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->m.2 nvme | <!--Gfx-->Radeon Vega | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->1GigE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit 5650GE (6c12t) 5750GE (8c16t) - vendor/PSB can lock your AMD CPU - f12 boot devices |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Thinkcentre M75q Tiny Gen5 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} | <!--SATA-->2 NVMe | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 780M dp1.4a or hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with codec | <!--USB-->USB3 usb-c | <!--Ethernet-->1GBe port | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2024 Ryzen PRO 7 8700GE - 90W yellow rectangle connector psu - 2 DDR5 sodimm slots max 128Gb - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |} ====Misc==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Impart impact Media Group IQ Box mini Digital Signage with MB896 mini itx | <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->GMA 915 gme | <!--Audio--> via audio | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 32bit - 1 ddr2 slot - pentium m 1.73GHz - |- | <!--Name-->[https://everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_mini/specs/mac_mini_cd_1.83-specs.html Apple A1176 Intel MacMini1,1] | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{unk|gpt/efi }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|gma950 2d and 3d}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with ICH7 [https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+question/186749 Sigmatel Stac 9221] [https://android.googlesource.com/kernel/msm/+/android-wear-5.1.1_r0.6/sound/pci/hda/patch_sigmatel.c codec][https://alsa-devel.alsa-project.narkive.com/Yt20W6cE/sigmatel-stac9221-mux-amp-out-0x02-microphone-not-working mic]}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2006 32bit possible 1.83 GHz Intel “Core Duo” (T2400) - swap pci-e wifi for atheros 5k AR5007EG - maybe hack with a 2,1 firmware - max 4GB Ram ddr2 sodimms - external apple psu - dvd boot only with c key - |- | <!--Name-->[https://everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_mini/specs/mac-mini-core-2-duo-1.83-specs.html Apple A1176 Intel Mac Mini2,1] | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{unk|gpt/efi }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|gma950 2d and 3d}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with ICH7 Sigmatel Stac 9221 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell}} | <!--Test Distro-->Aros One 2.0/ Icaros | <!--Comments-->2007 64bit - swap pci-e wifi for atheros 5k AR5007EG - hacked with a 2,1 firmware and replaced the cpu for T7600 2.33 Ghz C2D and max 4GB Ram ddr2 sodimms - external apple psu - dvd boot only via c key |- | <!--Name-->Apple iMac 5,1 "Core 2 Duo" 1.83GHz 17" T5600 MA710LL || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950 with 64Mb || <!--Audio-->HDAudio idt codec || <!--USB-->3 USB2 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 64bit - 2 ddr2 667MHz sodimm slots - 17.0" TFT widescreen 1440x900 - polycarbonate |- | <!--Name-->Apple iMac 6,1 "Core 2 Duo" 2.16 2.33 24" only T7400 T7600 aka MA456LL/A A1200 (EMC 2111) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Nvidia 7300GT with 128 MB of GDDR3 SDRAM PCI Express or GeForce 7600GT with 256Mb mini dvi, vga || <!--Audio-->HDAudio || <!--USB-->3 USB2 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 64bit - 2 ddr2 667MHz sodimm slots - 24.0" TFT widescreen 1920 x 1200 - polycarbonate plastic case iMacs of this generation are the most difficult iMacs to service due to their front bezel design |- | <!--Name-->Neoware CA2 | <!--IDE-->flash DOM | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->S3 Inc ProSavage PM133 (rev 02) vga | <!--Audio-->VIA VT82C686 AC97 Audio | <!--USB-->USB | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8139 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - VIA Ezra 800MHz - 2 PC100 sodimm slots - riser board carries an ISA slot and a PCI slot - external 12V power supply.with 4 pins - |- | <!--Name-->Neoware CA5 Capio One | <!--IDE-->44pin Disk On Module DOM | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->SiS550 vga | <!--Audio-->AC97 with SiS7019 codec | <!--USB-->USB1.1 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8139 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2004 32bit - internal power supply with mains lead has a "clover leaf" style - 2 144-pin PC100 or PC133 SODIMM might have 24MB of RAM soldered - |- | <!--Name-->Neoware CA10 *E140 model BL-XX-XX (800MHz CPU) later *E100 model BK-XX-XX (1GHz CPU) | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VIA VT8623 (Apollo CLE266) vga | <!--Audio-->AC97 with | <!--USB-->4 USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->VIA VT6102/VT6103 [Rhine-II] (rev 74) | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2004/5 32bit - 12v 5.5mm/2.1mm - 2 184-pin DDR DIMM - |- | <!--Name-->VXL Itona thin client *TC3200, *TC3x41 (P3VB-VXL) TC3541 TC3641 TC3841, *TC3xx1 (6VLE-VXL0) TC3931, *TC43xx (Gigabyte C7V7VX) TC4321 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VIA vga | <!--Audio-->AC'97 Audio with VIA VT | <!--USB-->VIA USB | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8100B | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2005 2006 32bit VIA Samuel 2, VIA C3 Nehamiah CPU, 1 DIMM slot, internal psu, |- | <!--Name-->Neoware Capio C50, model CA15 Thin Clients] *Login Administrator Password Administrator *Login User Password User | <!--IDE-->1 flash Disk On Module | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VIA VT8623 (Apollo CLE266) vga | <!--Audio-->AC97 with via codec | <!--USB-->USB | <!--Ethernet-->VIA | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2006 32bit VIA Eden (Samuel II core) CPU - 1 ddr sodimm slot max 512mb - slot - internal psu clover leaf - |- | <!--Name-->[http://etoy.spritesmind.net/neowareca21.html Neoware CA21 Thin Clients] Igel 3210 (and maybe the Clientron G270) *Login Administrator Password Administrator *Login User Password User | <!--IDE-->1 flash Disk On Module DOM | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VIA CN700 vga | <!--Audio-->AC97 with via codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->VIA | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 32bit VIA C3 Nehemiah instead of Ezra-T - made 2 version of the CA 21, one with an Award bios and one with a Phoenix bios - 1 ddr2 sodimm slot max 1gb - VT6656 wireless - slot - internal psu iec - |- | <!--Name-->Neoware CA22 (e140), part number DD-L2-GE with BCOM WinNET P680 (V4) as the Igel 4210LX (Igel 5/4) | <!--IDE-->1 VIA VT82C586A/B VT82C686/A/B VT823x/A/C PIPC Bus Master IDE (rev 06) | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VIA CN700 P4M800 Pro CE VN800 Graphics [S3 UniChrome Pro] (rev 01) vga | <!--Audio-->AC97 with codec | <!--USB-->USB2 VIA VT8237R Plus | <!--Ethernet-->VIA VT6102/VT6103 [Rhine-II] (rev 78) | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 32bit - VIA Esther to later C7 1GHz - 1 ddr2 sodimm slots max 512mb - +12V DC/4.16A/50W 5.5mm/2.1mm coaxial - |- | <!--Name-->10Zig RBT402, Clientron U700, | <!--IDE-->{{Yes|44 pin header very little room}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A|}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Partial|VESA dvi}} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|AC97 with codec}} | <!--USB-->{{unk|VIA }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2008 32bit - very small cases with very limited expansion - 1 sodimm 2GB max - 12v 3a psu - Password Fireport |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Dell Optiplex FX170 D05U thin client, 10Zig 56xx range 5602, 5616v, 5617v, 5672v, Clientron U800, Devon IT TC5, | <!--IDE-->{{Yes|44 pin header very little room}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A|}} | <!--Gfx-->{{partial|GMA 950 dvi}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 | <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - very small cases with very limited expansion - 1 ddr2 sodimm 2GB max - 12v 3a psu - Password Fireport - ps2 keyboard socket - |- | <!--Name-->10Zig RBT-616V or Chip PC Technologies EX-PC (model number XPD4741) | <!--IDE-->{{unk|44 pin header very little room}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A|}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 950}} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with codec}} | <!--USB-->{{unk| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|rtl8169}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 32bit N270 on NM10 with ICH7 - very small cases with very limited expansion - 1 sodimm 2GB max - 12v 4a psu - Password Fireport |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte Brix GS-A21S-RH (rev. 1.0) SFF | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|X3100}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio with ALC883-GR codec}} | <!--USB-->Intel USB | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82566DC}} | <!--Test Distro-->ICAROS 2.3 | <!--Comments-->2009 64bit Intel GME965 chipset with Intel ICH8M - 2 DDR2 Dimm slots - GA-6KIEH2-RH Rev.1.x mini ITX Case 213mm(D) x 64mm(W) x 234mm(H) - custom psu - |- | <!--Name-->VXL Itona MD+24 MD27 MD54 MD64 MD76 thin client | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->VIA Chrome 9 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with VIA VT | <!--USB-->VIA | <!--Ethernet-->VIA | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2009 32bit VIA X2 U4200 - 12v-19v barrel psu - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Revo 100 RL100 AMD Athlon II X2 K325 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA® ION™ 9300m || <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC662 codec || <!--USB-->USB2 1 front 2 back || <!--Ethernet-->NVIDIA nForce 10/100/1000 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2010 64bit but no AVX - 4Gb DDR3 sodimm - 500 GB - 19v 3.42a 65W - dvd but later BD drive - |- | <!--Name-->Asrock ION 330 330Pro HT-BD, Foxconn NT-330i, Zotac ION F (IONITX mini itx), | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|ION geforce 9400}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|Nvidia USB}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Nvidia }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 32bit slow atom cpu - 2.5L 8" by 8" plastic case - 2 ddr2 sodimm max 4G - external 19v 65W 3.42A Plug 5.5mm X 2.5mm - little whiny fan - |- | <!--Name-->Zotac ZBOXHD-ND01 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->ION1 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->NVidia | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2009 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Zotac ZBOX HD-ID11 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->ION2 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with ALC888 codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111D | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 |- | <!--Name-->ZOTAC ZBOX Blu-ray 3D ID36 Plus | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->sata | <!--Gfx-->ION2 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->2 USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->GbE | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Shuttle XS35GT || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ION || <!--Audio-->HD audio IDT92HD81 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|JMC261}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - Atom™ D510 NM10 - DDR2 |- | <!--Name-->Shuttle XS35GT V2 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ION2 || <!--Audio-->HD audio IDT92HD81 || <!--USB-->Intel || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|JMC251}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit Atom™ D525 NM10 chipset - DDR3 |- | <!--Name-->Sapphire Edge-HD || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ION2 GT218 with vga and hdmi || <!--Audio-->HDAudio realtek codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Unk|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - Atom™ D510 NM10 - DDR2 65 W AC, DC 19V~3.42A, 19.3L x 14.8w x 2.2H cm (1l), weight 530g, |- | <!--Name-->Sapphire Edge-HD2 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|nouveau ION2 GT218 with vga and hdmi 2d and 3d}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|Intel USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit Atom™ D525 NM10 chipset - DDR3 |- | <!--Name-->AOPEN Digital Engine DE67-HA(I) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe| Vesa 2d for Intel HD}} | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HDAudio for ALC662 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|usb3}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel WG82579LM}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2011 |- | <!--Name-->[https://www.jetwaycomputer.com/JBC600C99352W.html Jetway JBC600C99352W] | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->ION2 | <!--Audio-->{{No|C-Media CM108AH}} | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111DL | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit D525 - DDR3 - 12v psu |- | <!--Name-->Foxconn nT-A3550 A3500 AMD A45 Chipset DDR3 Nettop Barebones - White | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 slot | <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon HD6310 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->4 USB2 back and 2 USB3 front | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 AMD Dual-core E350 1.6GHz CPU - 1 ddr3 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->Asus EeeBox PC EB1021 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD6320M || <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC codec || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE1 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit - AMD® Brazos E-350 SFF or E-450 with A50M - 2 ddr3l so-dimm - 40W ac - |- | <!--Name-->Xi3 Piston PC Athlon64 X2 3400e (X5A), AMD R-464L quad (X7A) Z3RO NUC | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->AMD mobility HD3650 to radeon HD 7660G | <!--Audio--> codec | <!--USB-->4 USB2 3 USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Atheros AR8161}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 - 2 sodimm 8GB max - 19v 3.3a round - Titan105 bios update - |- | <!--Name-->Sapphire Edge-HD3 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD6320M with vga and hdmi || <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC662 codec || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE1 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 AMD® Brazos E-450 with A45M - ddr3l so-dimm - 65W ac - Wireless is Realtek 8191SU WiFi (802.11n) or AzureWave (802.11bgn) - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Samsung Syncmaster Thin Client Display TC-W Series 24" LF24 TOWHBFM/EN TC220W LED LF22TOW HBDN/EN || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->8gb SSD || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe| VESA mode only Radeon HD 6290}} || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB-->2 USB 2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 thin Client C-50 C50 AMD® 1000 MHz and no wireless |- | <!--Name-->Advantech TPC-2140 thin client | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 atom-like G-T56E 1.65Ghz up to SSE3, BGA413 soldered - |- | <!--Name-->CompuLab FIT-PC3 fitPC3 USFF PC AMD G-T56N || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->RADEON HD 6320 || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio ALC888 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 8111}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64 bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 12v 3a - 2x sodimm DDR3 max 4GB - wifi rtl8188ce |- | <!--Name-->10Zig 6872 thin client | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 atom-like G-T56N up to SSE3 BGA413 (FT1) soldered - DDR3l single channel - |- | <!--Name-->10ZiG Technology 9972 1.6 GHz Linux 1.47 kg Black RX-216GD thin client | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon 5E 3840 x 2160 @ 30Hz to 2560 x 1600 @ 60Hz 2 x Display Port | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->6 x USB2.0 2 x USB3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 AMD RX-216TD - 1 ddr3 sodimm - 12V 4A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm |- | <!--Name-->10ZiG 7800q thin client | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon 5E 3840 x 2160 @ 30Hz to 2560 x 1600 @ 60Hz 2 x Display Port | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->6 x USB2.0 2 x USB3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 AMD GX-424CC (Quad Core) 2.4GHz BGA769 (FT3b) - 1 ddr3 sodimm - 12V 4A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm |- | <!--Name--> *Itona VXL MZE12 AMD a4-5000 thin client *VXL Itona LQ27 LQ+27 LQ44 LQ+44 LQ49 LQ+49 LQ50 LQ+50 LQ64 LQ+64 thin client | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Ati 8330 vga hdmi dp | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->4 usb2 2 usb3 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit quad BGA769 (FT3) soldered - 2 stacked sodimm ddr3 middle of mobo - 2 m.2 sata slots - 1 sata short cable half size space - limited 1ltr 8in case no fan - 19v hp style psu connector - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse 5212 21.5" AIO Thin Client W11B | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->Sata | <!--Gfx-->R3 out from DP or vga | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2015 64bit slow atom like dual core AMD G-T48E 1.4 GHz - dell type round ac needed 90W 19.5V 4.62A - 21 inch 1080p screen - |- | <!--Name-->LG 24CK560N-3A 24' All-in-One Thin Client Monitor, 27CN650N-6N 27CN650W-AC 27', 34CN650W-AC 34', | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit AMD Prairie Falcon GX-212JJ |- | <!--Name-->CompuLab fit-PC4 fitPC4 4x 2Ghz AMD || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64 - 2x DDR4 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->IGEL Hedgehog M340C UD3 thin client *2016 V1.0 AMD GX-412HC 1.2GHz-1.6GHz Radeon R3E, normal bios DEL for Bios or F12 boot selector *2018 AMD GX-424CC 2.4GHz, Radeon R5E, UEFI hit DEL and choose boot or SCU icon | <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} | <!--SATA-->SATA half slim version '''limited space''' with msata 8+18pins slot on earlier 2016 models | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Radeon R3E later R5E sea islands vulkan 1.2 with dvi dp output}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with codec ?? (412) and Realtek ALC662-VD0-GR (424), both case speaker}} | <!--USB-->amd usb3 boot usb2 with bios "disable usb" entry | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8169 8111 (412) and (424)}} | <!--Test Distro-->Aros One x86 USB 1.5, 1.8 and 2.2 but ArosOne 64bit 1.2 boot loop in usb2 port | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 20cm/8" high case - 1 DDR3L sodimm slot max 8Gb 1600MHz - external '''12V 3A''' supply with 5.5mm/2.1mm coaxial - IDE like interface under base stand is for legacy addon ports RS232 parallel etc - capacitive touch power on - case opening 3 stages, remove stand and narrow black plastic strip from the back, top cover slides off to the back and lifts off - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->10ZiG 6148v 6048qv (6100 series) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{maybe| }} | <!--USB-->{{No| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit AMD Ryzen V1202B |- | <!--Name-->10ZiG 7111q | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{maybe| }} | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2019 64bit AMD Ryzen R2514 2.1 GHz - |- | <!--Name-->Shuttle DA320 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->R3 R5 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC662 codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->dual realtek 1GbE 8111H | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Opinion-->2017 64bit AMD 2200G 2400G - Robust metal 1.3-liter case - A320 chipset DDR4 - 19V 6.32A DC PSU - |- | <!--Name-->IGEL UD7 H850C around december 2019 '''AMD Secure Processor''' is a built-in dedicated security system that checks if the BIOS has a valid signature and thus secures the next step in the boot process. This ensures that only devices with a signed BIOS will boot | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->None but 8gb emmc | <!--Gfx-->Vega 3 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with Realtek ALC897 or ALC888S codec | <!--USB-->USB 3.2 and 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - AMD Ryzen™ Dual-Core 10W TDP - 2 DDR4 sodimms slots max 16Gb - 12V 4A psu - 2x DisplayPort 1.2 no dvi or hdmi - Intel® 9260 or SparkLAN WNFT-238AX wifi - 1x rear serial Prolific PL2303 chipset - locked down components and very limited expansion options |- | <!--Name-->IGEL UD7 H860C - '''AMD Secure Processor''' is a built-in dedicated security system that checks if the BIOS has a valid signature and thus secures the next step in the boot process. This ensures that only devices with a signed BIOS will boot | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->None but 8gb emmc | <!--Gfx-->Vega 3 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with Realtek ALC897 or ALC888S codec | <!--USB-->USB 3.2 and 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - AMD Ryzen™ Dual-Core 10W TDP - 2 DDR4 sodimms slots max 16Gb - 12V 4A psu - 2x DisplayPort 1.2 no dvi or hdmi - Intel® 9260 or SparkLAN WNFT-238AX wifi - 1x rear serial Prolific PL2303 chipset - locked down components and very limited expansion options |- | <!--Name-->IGEL UD3 M350C (UEFI issues) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->None but 8gb emmc | <!--Gfx-->Vega 3 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with Realtek ALC897 or ALC888S codec | <!--USB-->USB 3.2 and 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - AMD Ryzen™ R R1505G Dual-Core 10W TDP - 2 DDR4 sodimms slots max 16Gb - 12V 4A psu - 2x DisplayPort 1.2 no dvi or hdmi - Intel® 9260 or SparkLAN WNFT-238AX wifi - 1x rear serial Prolific PL2303 chipset - locked down components and very limited expansion options |- | <!--Name-->IGEL UD7 H860C AMD Ryzen V1605B Thin Client - '''AMD Secure Processor''' is a built-in dedicated security system that checks if the BIOS has a valid signature and thus secures the next step in the boot process. This ensures that only devices with a signed BIOS will boot | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2020 AMD Ryzen™ Embedded V1605B 2 – 3.6 GHz (Quad-Core) - 12v 5A psu - up to 16GB RAM DDR4 - locked down components and very limited expansion options |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte Brix Barebone Mini PC BSRE-1605 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 M.2 | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC269 codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->2 GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2020 64bit AMD Ryzen V1605B - 2 DDR4 sodimm slots |- | <!--Name-->MINISFORUM Deskmini UM250 Mini PC | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2020 64bit AMD Ryzen V1605B - |- | <!--Name-->T-Bao MN25 Mini PC 2500U | <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} | <!--SATA-->{{Unk|Intel NVMe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{No|VESA Radeon Vega 8}} | <!--Audio-->{{Unk| }} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek PCIe 1GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Atari VCS || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2D for AMD Vega 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with ALC codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 USB 3.2 Gen 2 front and 3 usb2 rear }} || <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit Ryzen Embedded R1606G - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - TPM 2.0 - |- | <!--Name-->Minis Forum M200 Silver Athlon M300 3300U | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.1 gen 1 and 2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek PCIe 2.5G}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Minis Forum DeskMini UM300 3300U, UM350 DMAF5 3550H, UM370 and UM700 with 3750H | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.1 gen 1 and 2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek PCIe 2.5G}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit |- | <!--Name-->MinisForum X300 with AMD 3400G | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.1 gen 1 and 2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek PCIe 2.5G}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Beelink SER3 GTR4 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->AMD Vega 3 or 10 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RJ45 1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2020 64bit 3200u or 3750h |- | <!--Name-->AsRock DeskMini X300 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2020 Ryzen 7 Pro 4750G 5600G |- | <!--Name-->MinisForum Besstar Tech X400 with AMD 4650G | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->AMD | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.1 gen 1 and 2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek PCIe 2.5G}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - MP1584 - kill NB679 NB679GD-Z=ALTM=AL** QFN-12 IC-REG-DL buck/linear synchronous chip IC with bad usb cables - |- | <!--Name-->Beelink SER4 GTR5 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->cant boot from installed SSDs unless its an M.2 | <!--Gfx-->AMD Vega | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->1 or 2 Realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit 4700U or 5900HX |- | <!--Name-->MSI PRO DP20Z 5M Mini PC - AMD Ryzen 5 5300G | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek 2.5G LAN RTL8125}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018-2021 R3 3200G Vega 8 - R5 3400G Vega 11 - Ryzen 5 5600G Vega 7 - Athlon 3000G |- | <!--Name-->Minisforum UM450 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->Vega | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek 2.5G LAN RTL8125}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - Ryzen 4500U - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte Brix GB-BRR7-4800 (rev. 1.0) GB-BRR7-4700 (rev. 1.0) GB-BRR5-4500 (rev. 1.0) GB-BRR3-4300 (rev. 1.0) | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 2.5G LAN RTL8125 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->ASUS PN50 mini PC AMD Ryzen 7 4700U | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vega | <!--Audio-->HD audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|3.1 gen1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|realtek 2.5GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS PN51-S1 mini PC AMD Ryzen 7 5700U | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->Vega thru dp or hdmi | <!--Audio-->HD audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|3.1 gen1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|realtek 2.5GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 19v or 19.5v 90w psu round barrel - 32gb ddr4 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->Minis Forum Bessstar Tech EliteMini B550 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 x 2.5in and 2 nvme | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|4 usb3.1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|realtek 8125 2.5GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit AMD 4700G 5700G desktop cpu - 19v 120w round barrel - |- | <!--Name-->ASRock A300 and later X300 Mini itx with Desktop AM4 socket | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->Vega | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - choose your own AMD APU GE 35w based - DDR4 - |- | <!--Name-->ASRock 4x4 BOX-5800U Zen 3-based AMD Ryzen 7 5800U 15W - | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->m.2 slot gen 3 and sata | <!--Gfx-->vega | <!--Audio-->HD audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|1 GbE and 1 2.5GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - WiFi 6E - |- | <!--Name-->Topton S500+ Gaming Mini PC - Morefine S500+ 5900HX Mini PC - Minisforum UM590 Ryzen AMD Zen3 Ryzen 9 5900HX 7 5800H 45W - | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 nvme 1 sata | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 thru HDMI 2.0, DP 1.4, and USB type-C | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|usb3.1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|1 realtek rtl 8111h and 1 8125 2.5GbE bg-cg}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 2 sodimm ddr4 3200MHz - |- | <!--Name-->Chuwi RzBox later Ubox | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 nvme | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 later to 660m vga, dp, hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->{{maybe|usb-c usb2}} | <!--Ethernet-->dual gigabit | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 2025 64bit amd 5800h 4800h 6600H - 90w psu - |- | <!--Name-->Beelink Mini PC SER5, Trigkey AZW S5, Asus PN52, ZHI BEN MX-JB560, | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->PCIe3 M.2 2280 nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD Vega 6 with 1 or 2 hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek 1GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit 5500U 5560u 5600U to PRO 5600H 5800H - 19v 3.42W 65W psu - |- | <!--Name-->NIPOGI Kamrui ACEMAGICIAN AM06PRO Dual LAN Mini PC AMD Ryzen 7 5800U, 5 5500U or 5600U/5625U | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->M.2 and 2.5in sata | <!--Gfx-->Vega 7 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->2 GbE ports | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - plastic build - 90w usb-c power - loud at 25W setting - |- | <!--Name-->Topton FU02 Fanless Mini PC AMD Ryzen 7 4700U 5600U 5800U 8 Core 16 Threads | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe and 2.5in sata | <!--Gfx-->Vega | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->4 3.0 with 2 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->2 x 1G | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64 - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - fanless with copper cube from cpu to metal sheet which gets warm |- | <!--Name-->Xuu XR1 Lite (5300u 4c 8t) PRO 5400U MAX 5600U | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 NVMe 2242 slot | <!--Gfx-->Vega 6 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->2 3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->1G | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64 quiet fan - very small case no expansions - |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->MINISFORUM UM690 Venus Series | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->pcie4 nvme 2280 and 1 sata3 2.5in | <!--Gfx-->680m RNDA2 12CU with 2 hdmi | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|1 USB4 and 2 USB3.2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|2.5G LAN}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit 6900hx 8C16T - 2 ddr5 sodimmm - 19v ???W - |- | <!--Name-->Beelink Mini PC GTR6 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->PCIe4 | <!--Gfx-->AMD 680M RDNA2 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->USB3.2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek 2.5GbE or intel i225}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit Ryzen 9 6900HX Zen3+ and a 2gb Radeon 680m 12CU ddr5 sodimm - 19v 120w psu - |- | <!--Name-->Asus PN53, Geekom AS 6, | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->pcie gen4 nvme and ata 2.5in | <!--Gfx-->680m RNDA2 12CU with 2 hdmi and 1 dp | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|2 usb-c, 2 USB2.1 and 3 USB3.2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|1G LAN}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit 6900hx 8C 16T - 2 slots ddr5 sodimmm (64Gb max) - 19v 120W - 4 retained base screws beware ribbon cable - |- | <!--Name-->Micro Computer (HK) Tech Ltd MinisForum UM773 Lite later UM750L slim, GMKtec K2 Mini PC | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe PCIe4.0 | <!--Gfx-->RDNA | <!--Audio-->HD Audio | <!--USB-->USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->2.5GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2023 2025 64bit - AMD Zen 3+ (8c 16t) Ryzen 7 7735HS, 7840HS and AMD Ryzen 9 7845HX AMD Ryzen™5 7545U (6c12t) - 19v up to 120w ac adapter - ddr5 sodimm 4800Mhz - |- | <!--Name-->[https://www.asrockind.com/en-gb/4x4 ASrock 4x4 SBC] | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->sata or nvme | <!--Gfx-->Vega or 680M | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 or USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 1GbE or intel 2.5GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Beelink Mini PC GTR7 SER7 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->PCIe4 nvme 2280 up to 2Tb | <!--Gfx-->AMD 780M RDNA3 GPU output on hdmi and dp | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3.2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|1 or 2 2.5GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2023 64bit AMD Phoenix APUs Zen 4 CPU Ryzen 7 7840HS or 9 7940HS (8c 16t) - 19v 5.26A 120w psu - del dios setup f7 choose boot - 2 usb-c on back - up to 64gb via 2 ddr5 sodimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->MINISFORUM BD770i Ryzen 7 7745HX (8c16t) or BD795i SE 790i 9 7945HX (16c32t) or F1FXM_MB_V1.1 795M LGA1700 mATX | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 NVMe | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 610m over usb-c, dp or hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with codec | <!--USB-->USB3 with 2 rear USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 2.5G | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Opinion-->2024 mini-ITX M/B is the first MoDT (Mobile on Desktop) with soldered AMD CPU - 2 dual PCIe4.0 M.2 slots - 2 ddr5 sodimm slots max 5200Mhz - 8pin cpu power - battery not easily replaceable underneath - |- | <!--Name-->Minisforum ms-a1 MS-a2 * 5700G to 8700G apu * 9955HX | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 610M | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->dual 2.5GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2024 64bit - 19v ?A round barrel jack - 2 ddr5 so-dimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->AOOSTAR GT68 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->Nvme | <!--Gfx-->680m | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->2 2.5Gb | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 Ryzen7 Pro 6850H, |- | <!--Name-->NextSBC 7840HS | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->Nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 780M 12CU | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with codec | <!--USB-->USB4 and USB 3.2 | <!--Ethernet-->2 GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - 32Gb soldered - |- | <!--Name-->Firebat A6 R7 6800H | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 680M | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Minisforum UM760 7640HS | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 760 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 and 2.5Gb | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Peladn WO4 Mini PC | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 760 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit 7640HS - 19v 5.26A 120W - |- | <!--Name-->BossGame M4 Neo 7840HS | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 780 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Minisforum UM870 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVme || <!--Gfx-->AMD 780M || <!--Audio-->HDaudio || <!--USB-->USB3 || <!--Ethernet-->2.5GbE || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->GEEKOM A8 Max AI Mini PC AMD Ryzen™ 9 8945HS, Ryzen™ 7 8845HS or 8745HS | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 780M | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe| USB4}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Dual 2.5 G Ethernet ports}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Beelink SER 9 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVme | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 890M | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - Ryzen AI HX 370 strix point - |- | <!--Name-->GMKtec EVO-X2 mini pc | <!--IDE-->{{n/a}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 8060S iGPU RDNA3.5 RADV GFX1151 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - amd ryzen AI Max+ 395 (16c32t) strix halo - |- | <!--Name-->BosGame M5 | <!--IDE-->{{n/a}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 8060S iGPU RDNA3.5 RADV GFX1151 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - amd ryzen AI Max+ 395 (16c32t) - |- | <!--Name-->Steam Machine GabeCube | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->semi-custom 1080p amd 7600m like with 28cu 8gb ddr6 gddr 10GFlops | <!--Audio-->hdaudio with codec | <!--USB-->usb3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2026 64bit amd 1772 hawk point2 6c12t zen4 avx512 FP7 socket with FCH51 - 16gb ddr5 - |- | <!--Name-->AMD Ryzen AI Halo Developer Platform Workstation | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2026 64bit - amd ryzen AI Max+ 395 (16c32t) - |- | <!--Name-->GMKtec EVO-X1 PRO | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 890M with HDMI 2.1 and DP 2.1 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB4 40G and USB3 10G | <!--Ethernet-->2xIntel | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2026 64bit - AMD Ai 9 HX 470 Gorgon Point 12c 24t - 19v 120w - DDR5 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->AMD 8065S | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2026 64bit - AMD Ai MAX+ 495 Gorgon Halo - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |} ===Server Systems=== [[#top|...to the top]] ====IBM==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="15%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->xSeries 206m | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|ATI RN50b (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio-->{{n/a}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0 (UHCI/EHCI)}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro-->Nightly Build 2014-09-27 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} ===Motherboard=== [[#top|...to the top]] * Late 2002, USB2.0 added and slightly better AROS sound support (AC97) appeared * 2002-2005 and still, to a limited extent, ongoing [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague bad capacitors] * Late 2003, ATX PSUs moved from 5V to 12v rails (extra 4pin on motherboard for CPU) * Late 2005, PCI Express replaced AGP and HDAudio replaced AC97 * Late 2007, ATX PSUs added extra 12V PCI-E connectors and 4+4pin for CPUs * Late 2010, USB3.0 appears on motherboards or needing a PCI-E motherboard slot * Late 2014 Hardware USB2 removed from USB3 chipsets ====AMD Sockets==== [[#top|...to the top]] =====Socket 7 (1997/1999)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->1997 VT82C586B (QFP-208) is the first from VIA with DDMA |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2000 VT82C686 has close to excellent DDMA support |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->SiS 5581/5582 SiS 5591/5595 SiS 530 /5595 SiS 600/5595 SiS 620/5595 |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} =====Socket A 462 (2001/4)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.sharkyextreme.com/hardware/motherboards/article.php/2217921/ABIT-NF7-S-nForce2-Motherboard-Review.htm Abit NF7-S] | <!--Chipset-->nForce 2 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->2 ports | <!--SATA-->SIL 3112A | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC650 AC97 (Nvidia APU)}} | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL 8201LB | <!--Opinion-->Firewire Realtek RTL8801B |- | <!--Name-->ASRock K7NF2 | <!--Chipset-->nforce2 ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|AGP 8x}} | <!--Audio-->CMedia CMI 9761A AC'97 | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8201 | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASRock K7S8X | <!--Chipset-->SIS 746FX | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|AGP 8x}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC'97 cmedia}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB2.0 works but does not boot}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|SiS900}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASRock K7S41GX | <!--Chipset-->SIS 741GX + DDR 333 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|onboard sis does not work with vga or vesa but AGP 8x works}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 SIS 7012}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB2.0 works but does not boot}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|SiS 900}} | <!--Opinion-->works ok |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.asus.com ASUS A7N8X] | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->Silicon Image Sil 3112A | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ac97 ALC650}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|ehci USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8201BL - nforce}} | <!--Opinion-->first total support for AROS in 2004/5 - damocles and M Schulz |- | <!--Name-->Biostar M7NCD | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 Ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC650 AC97}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8201BL}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Chaintech 7NJS Ultra Zenith | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 Ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->Promise PDC 20376 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|CMI8738}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->DFI Lanparty NF2 Ultra | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 Ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{no|via ac97 VT1616}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8139C | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ECS N2U400-A | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 Ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{no|Cmedia 9379A AC97}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|usb2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|VIA VT6103L}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA7N400L | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 Ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP 8x slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 ALC650}} | <!--USB-->2 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8100C | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.gigabyte.lv/products/page/mb/ga-8siml Gigabyte 8SIML] | <!--Chipset-->SIS 650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC'97}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|working}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Realtek RTL8100L LAN}} | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Matsonic [http://www.elhvb.com/mobokive/archive/matsonic/manual/index.html Manuals] MS83708E | <!--Chipset-->SIS730 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|SiS 5513}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|sis 305 no support use VESA}} | <!--Audio-->{{no|sis7018}} | <!--USB-->{{no|SiS 7001 USB 1.1 only}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|SIS900}} | <!--Opinion-->little support |- | <!--Name-->[http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=bph07585&lc=en&dlc=en&cc=us&dest_page=softwareCategory&os=228&tool=softwareCategory&query=Pavilion%20742n&product=89232 MSI MS-6367 HP 722n 742n (Mambo) (2001/2)] | <!--Chipset-->Nvidia nforce 220D (2001/2) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->GeForce2 AGP works 2D nouveau only | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|AC97 ADI 1885 no volume control on Units 0-3}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|4 USB1.1 ports AMD based - front 2 ports iffy}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|nForce}} | <!--Opinion-->Tested 20th Aug 2012 NB |- | <!--Name-->MSI K7N2 [http://us.msi.com/index.php?func=proddesc&maincat_no=1&prod_no=546/ Delta ILSR] Delta-L | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 (2002/3) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|Primary & Secondary ports}} IDE Tertiary port (RAID) | <!--SATA-->2 ports (RAID) | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|when fitted with an agp video card}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ac97 ALC650}} | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8201BL - nforce}} | <!--Opinion-->runs AROS well. Tested with Icaros 1.2.3 |- | <!--Name-->MSI K7N2 Delta2-LSR Platinum | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 (2002/3) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|Primary & Secondary ports}} IDE Tertiary port (RAID) | <!--SATA-->2 ports (RAID) | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|when fitted with an agp video card}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|ac97 ALC655}} | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8201BL - nforce}} | <!--Opinion-->runs AROS well. Tested with Icaros 1.2.3 |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.sharkyextreme.com/hardware/motherboards/article.php/2204281/Soltek-SL-75MRN-L-nForce2-Motherboard-Review.htm Soltek 75FRN-L] | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|2 ports}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->AGP slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC650}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 usb2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek RTL8201BL}} | <!--Opinion-->good support |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.3dvelocity.com/reviews/mach4nf2ultra/mach4.htm XFX Pine Mach4 nForce2 Ultra 400] | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|3 ports}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2 ports VIA VT6240}} | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP 8x slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC650}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8201BL}} | <!--Opinion-->some support |- | <!--Name-->ASUS A7V266 | <!--Chipset-->via KT266A + 8233 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{no|issues}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP slot | <!--Audio-->AC97 with AD1980 codec | <!--USB-->via 8233 | <!--Ethernet-->VIA VT6103 | <!--Opinion-->2002 issues with booting |- | <!--Name-->Asus A7V8X-X | <!--Chipset-->VIA KT400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{unk| }} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|agp}} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|AC97 with ADI AD1980 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{unk|VIA 8235}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|Realtek 10/100}} | <!--Opinion-->2003 not booting for Socket A for AMD Barton/Thoroughbred/Athlon XP/Athlon/Duron 2.25+ GHz CPU - 3 x DDR DIMM Sockets Max. 3 GB - |- |} =====Socket 754 (2004/5)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Abit NF8-V2 | <!--Chipset-->nForce3 250GB (2004/5) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|2 ports}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2 ports}} | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP slot x8 | <!--Audio-->ALC658 ac97 | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|RTL8201C}} | <!--Opinion-->a little support but no Firewire VIA VT6306 |- | <!--Name-->Biostar CK8 K8HNA Pro | <!--Chipset-->nforce3 150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->VT6420 thru ide legacy only | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{no|AC97 ALC655}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8110S | <!--Opinion-->Firewire VT6307 no |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.extremeoverclocking.com/reviews/motherboards/Chaintech_ZNF3-150_3.html Chaintech ZNF3-150 Zenith] | <!--Chipset-->nforce3 150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->2 ports | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|Sli3114 SATA via IDE emul}} | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP slot | <!--Audio-->{{no|VIA Envy24PT (VT1720) + VT1616}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|2 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom GbE 5788}} | <!--Opinion-->very little support needs PCI cards but no Firewire VIA VT6306 |- | <!--Name-->DFI Lanparty UT nF3 250GB | <!--Chipset-->nForce3 250gb | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->2 ports | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2 ports nForce3 and 2 Marvell SATA PHY}} | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 ALC850}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|2 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->CK8S - Winfast NF3 250K8AA works and Marvell 88E1111 does not work | <!--Opinion-->2005 some support but no Firewire VIA VT6307 |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-K8N | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA nForce3 150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC658 AC97 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8100C | <!--Opinion-->Firewire TI43AB23 no |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte K8NNXP | <!--Chipset-->nForce3 150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->Sata sil3512 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC658 AC97 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTl8110S | <!--Opinion-->Firewire TI STB82AA2 no |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-K8NSNXP | <!--Chipset-->nForce3 250GB | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->SiI 3512 CT128 Sata Sil3515 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC850 AC97 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvel 88E8001}} | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->MSI K8N Neo-FIS2R | <!--Chipset-->nVIDIA NF3-250Gb | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Realtek 7.1 AC'97 ALC850 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E1111}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->[http://techreport.com/articles.x/5748/1 Shuttle AN50R] | <!--Chipset-->nF3-150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->Sil 3112 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC650 AC97 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Nvidia nF3 (10/100) Intel 82540EM Gigabit | <!--Opinion-->Firewire VT6307 no |- | <!--Name--> Foxconn WinFast K8S755A | <!--Chipset-->SiS755 + SiS964 (DDR333) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> {{yes|AC97}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> {{yes|RTL8169}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket 939 (2005)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus A8N-LA GeForce 6150 LE | <!--Chipset-->Geforce 6150 (MCP51) + nForce 430 (PC-3200) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|two ATA 133}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|four 3.0GB/s SATAII ports}} | <!--Gfx-->built in or PCI-E x16 | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC883 HD Audio | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL 8201CL | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus A8N-SLI Premium | <!--Chipset-->NVidia | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|PCIe slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|nForce LAN but not Marvell}} | <!--Opinion-->Works well |- | <!--Name-->DFI nF4 Ultra-D LanParty - Diamond Flower International sold to BenQ group 2010 | <!--Chipset-->nF4 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->2 ports | <!--SATA-->4 ports SATA 2 | <!--Gfx-->2 PCIe x16 slots | <!--Audio-->AC97 with ALC850 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Dual Gigabit Ethernet, PCIe by Vitesse VSC8201 PHY nee Cicada 8201, PCI by Marvel 88E8001 | <!--Opinion-->2006 64bit - Four 184-pin DDR Dual-Channel Slots - 1 pci on Ultra, 2 pci on sli, |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus A8V E SE | <!--Chipset-->VIA K8T890 +VT8237R CHIPSET ATX AMD Motherboard with Athlon 64 X2 / Athlon 64 FX / Athlon 64 | <!--ACPI-->{{N/A}} | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{N/A}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe}} AC97 driver using Realtek ALC850 codec | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} USB 2.0 only | <!--Ethernet-->{{No}} Marvell 88E8053 | <!--Opinion-->Good base but needs additional PCI cards added for better support |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASUS A8V Deluxe (2004) | <!--Chipset-->VIA K8T800 Pro (DDR400) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->Promise 20378 2 ports | <!--SATA-->2 SATA2 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{no|VIA VT8233A 8235 8237 AC97}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Marvell 88E8001 Gigabit}} | <!--Opinion-->needs extra PCI cards |- |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->AsRock 939Dual-SATA2 | <!--Chipset-->Ali Uli M1695 PCIe with M1567 AGP | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->2 ports | <!--SATA-->1 Sata with JMicron JMB360 chip | <!--Gfx-->1 pci-e and 1 agp | <!--Audio-->AC97 with ALC850 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8201CL PHY ULi 10/100 | <!--Opinion-->64bit pci-e and agp combo on board - 4 ddr slots - |} =====Socket AM2 (2006/8) and AM2+ (2007-2010) ===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-M61PME-S2 (rev. 2.x) | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA® GeForce 6100 / nForce 430 chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2d for vga}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio Realtek ALC662 Audio Codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus M2N61-AR mini itx | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA nForce 430 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 | <!--SATA-->2 | <!--Gfx-->GeForce 6150SE via vga or 1 pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->Nvidia | <!--Ethernet-->Nvidia | <!--Opinion-->2006 32bit - 1 pci - 2 ddr2 dimm slots non-eec - |- | <!--Name-->asus m2n68-am se2 | <!--Chipset-->nvidia 630a 630/a MCP68SE | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 ports | <!--SATA-->2 ports MCP61 chipset is SATA over IDE, not SATA over AHCI and reports subsystem as 0x1 IDE, not 0x6 SATA | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|nvidia 7025 2d and 3d thru vga}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|hd audio with realtek alc662 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|nForce chipset RTL 8201CP}} | <!--Opinion-->2007 64bit Phenom IIX2, Athlon 64 LE X2, Sempron, and Phenom FX processors - ddr2 667Mhz ram max 4Gb - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-MA770-UD3 (rev. 1.0) | <!--Chipset-->AMD 770 with SB700 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC888 codec }} | <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 8111C later 8111D}} | <!--Opinion-->Good support for AM2+ / AM2 with 4 ddr2 ram - 4 x PCI Express x1, 2 x PCI slots - firewire T.I. TSB43AB23 chip no support - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus M3A32-MVP Deluxe | <!--Chipset-->AMD 790FX RD790 + SB600 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{No|Marvell 88SE6121 SATA II}} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 1.1 support | <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio ADI® AD1988}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8056}} | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASROCK N68-S N68C-S | <!--Chipset-->AMD based nForce 630a | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|slimline DVD drive works}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|GF 7025 use vesa}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio for VIA 1708S VT1705}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|echi usb 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|RTL8201EL / 8201CL - nforce}} | <!--Opinion-->2008 unbuffered 1066Mhz ddr2 ram - N68C-S may need noacpi added to grub boot line to disable pci temporarily to run as it cannot get to [PCI] Everything OK - |- | <!--Name-->Asus M2N68-AM Plus | <!--Chipset-->Athlon 64, Sempron, Athlon 64 X2, Athlon 64 FX with nvidia 630a | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->no vga, pci-e slot only | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio with ALC662 codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|RTL8211CL Gigabit LAN}} | <!--Opinion-->adding "noacpi noapic noioapic" to the GRUB options - Dual channel DDR2 1066, 800, 667 MHz - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-M68M-S2 (1.0) S2P (2.3) S2L GA-M68SM-S2 (1.x) | <!--Chipset-->nForce 630a chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA® GeForce 7025, vga (s2 and s2p), dvi (s2l) | <!--Audio-->ALC883 (S2), ALC888B (S2P), ALC662 (S2L), | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8201CL (S2), 8211CL (S2P), 8211BL (S2L), | <!--Opinion-->2008 64bit possible with AMD AM2+ CPU on AM2 motherboard, the system bus speed will downgrade from HT3.0(5200MHz) to HT1.0(2000 MT/s) spec |- | <!--Name-->ASUS M2N68-VM | <!--Chipset-->nForce 630a (MCP68PVNT) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Nvidia GeForce ® 7050PV hdmi, dvi and vga | <!--Audio-->HD audio VIA 1708B codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8211C | <!--Opinion-->2008 64bit - ddr2 800Mhz |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket AM3 White socket (2010/11)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-MA74GM-S2 GA-MA74GM-S2H | <!--Chipset-->740g with sb710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|bios IDE}} | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 2100 and pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->ALC888 (r1.x),ALC888b (r2.0), ALC888B (rev4.x) | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8111C later 8111D | <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit - 2 x 1.8V DDR2 DIMM sockets max 8 GB - Micro ATX Form Factor 24.4cm x 23.4cm - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.vesalia.de/e_aresone2011.htm Aresone 2011] | <!--Chipset-->760g | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|no Radeon HD3000 driver yet<br>vesa driver works<br>and add PCIe card}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes}} | <!--Opinion-->Good support - 4 DDR3 memory sockets - |- | <!--Name-->Foxconn A76ML-K 3.0 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 760g rev3.0 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes|1 }} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|4 in IDE mode }} | <!--Gfx-->HD3000 with pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC662-GR codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111E | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit - 2 ddr3 slots - 2 pci slots - |- | <!--Name-->GA-MA770T-UD3P (rev. 1.0 to 1.4) | <!--Chipset-->amd 770 with sb710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|4 sata}} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio with Realtek ALC888 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8168 rtl8111c/d}} | <!--Opinion-->2011 64 - 4 ddr3 dimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-MA770-UD3 (rev. 2.0 2.1) | <!--Chipset-->AMD 770 with SB700 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC888 codec }} | <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 8111C later 8111D}} | <!--Opinion-->Good support for AM3 with 4 ddr2 ram - 4 x PCI Express x1, 2 x PCI slots - firewire T.I. TSB43AB23 chip no support - |- | <!--Name-->Asus M4A785TD-M PRO | <!--Chipset-->785G and SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|ide legacy}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|ATI Radeon HD 4200 - use vesa}} or pci-e 2.0 slot | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Opinion-->Good support with 1366 ddr3 ram - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASUS M4A88T-I Deluxe ITX | <!--Chipset-->AMD 880G with AMD SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->Three SATA 3Gbps | <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 4350 GPU with HDMI and DVI or One 16x PCI-Express 2.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC889 | <!--USB-->6 x USB 2, 2 x USB 3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek RTL8112L}} | <!--Opinion-->2014 64bit - 2 SODIMM DDR3 slots max 8GB |- | <!--Name-->Asus M4A88T-M Version E5907 E5826 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 880G SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 4250 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with VIA VT 1708S codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek rtl8169 8111E | <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->GigaByte 890GPA-UD3H | <!--Chipset-->AMD 890GX together with SB850 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->Yes | <!--Gfx-->use pci-e nvidia | <!--Audio-->Maybe - ALC892 rev. 1.0, ALC892 rev 2.1, ALC889 rev. 3.1 | <!--USB-->Yes | <!--Ethernet-->Yes | <!--Opinion-->works well overall |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-890FXA-UD7 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 890FX with SB850 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|IDE }} | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC889 (rev 2.x) | <!--USB-->{{Yes|AMD USB2 but limited with NEC D720200F1 USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->2 x Realtek 8111D | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit - XL-ATX Form Factor 32.5cm x 24.4cm - 4 ddr3 slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI 890GXM-G65 | <!--Chipset-->890GX + SB750 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|legacy}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|ATI 4290 built-in (vesa)}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ALC889 DD GR}} HD Audio crackles | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8169}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASRock N68-VS3 FX | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA® GeForce 7025 / nForce 630a | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 Sata2 | <!--Gfx-->Integrated NVIDIA® GeForce 7025 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with VIA® VT1705 Codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek PHY RTL8201EL | <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit - 2 x DDR3 DIMM slots - |- | <!--Name-->MSI GF615M-P35 MS-7597 | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA® nForce 430 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->GeForce 6150SE | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with Realtek® ALC888S}} | <!--USB-->{{No|freezes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek 8211CL}} | <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-M68MT-S2 | <!--Chipset--> nForce 630a | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA® GeForce 7025 vga | <!--Audio-->ALC888B (1.3), ACL887 (3.1), | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8211CL (all) | <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit possible, AMD AM3 CPU on this motherboard, the system bus speed will downgrade from HT3.0 (5200MT/s) to HT1.0 (2000 MT/s) spec |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-M68MT-S2P | <!--Chipset--> nForce 630a | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA® GeForce 7025 vga | <!--Audio-->ALC888B (1.x 2.x), ALC889 (3.0), ALC888B/889 (3.1), | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8211CL (all) | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus M4N78 PRO | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA GeForce 8300 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 xUltraDMA 133/100 | <!--SATA-->6 xSATA 3 Gbit/s ports | <!--Gfx-->Integrated NVIDIA® GeForce® 8 series GPU with 1 PCIe 2.0 slot | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with VIA1708S 8 -Channel codec | <!--USB-->12 USB 2.0 ports (8 ports at mid-board, 4 ports at back panel) | <!--Ethernet-->NVIDIA Gigabit | <!--Opinion-->4 x DIMM, Max. 16 GB, DDR2 1200(O.C.)/1066*/800/667 ECC,Non-ECC,Un-buffered Memory - ATX Form Factor 12 inch x 9.6 inch ( 30.5 cm x 24.4 cm ) - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} =====Socket AM3+ Black socket (2012/15)===== *095W FX-6300 FD6300WMHKBOX (bulldozer SSE4.1 AVX) 970 mobos with FX-8320E 8core Black Editions FD832EWMHKBOX FX-8370E (Vishera/Piledriver) *125W FX-6310 (bulldozer) 970 mobos with FX-8320 FX-8350 FX-8370 (Vishera/Piledriver) *220W 990FX mobos with FX-9000 FX-9370 FX-9590 {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS M5A78L-M LX3 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 760G with SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|bios IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx-->HD3000 with pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC887, V? ALC892 codecs | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Qualcomm Atheros 8161/8171 add realtek 8111? pci-e card}} | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit - uATX Form Factor 9.6 inch x 7.4 inch ( 24.4 cm x 18.8 cm ) - 2 x DIMM, Max. 16GB, DDR3 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-78LMT-S2P | <!--Chipset-->AMD 760G and SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|6 SATA2 ports}} | <!--Gfx-->GT240 and a nv7900gs, both pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ALC889 (r3.1), ALC??? (rev. 4.0), ALC887 (r5.x)}} | <!--USB-->4 USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek 8111E (r3.1), Atheros (rev4.0), Atheros (r5.x) }} | <!--Opinion-->2012 offers very poor control over its EFI vs. BIOS booting partition features |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-78LMT-USB3 (r3.0), (r4.1 Blue board), (r5.0 dark board), (rev6 dark mobo) | <!--Chipset-->AMD 760G and SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|Bios IDE mode for SATA2 on early ones}} | <!--Gfx-->AMD HD3000, pci-e GT240 and a nv7900gs | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ALC??? (r3.0), ALC887 (r4.1), VIA VT2021 (r5.0), Realtek® ALC892 codec (rev6) }} | <!--USB-->{{yes|AMD USB2 but not VIA® VL805 USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit - Micro ATX Form Factor 24.4cm x 24.4cm - 4 x DDR3 DIMM sockets - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI 760GM | <!--Chipset-->ATI 760G plus SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->HD3000 Use Vesa | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|P33 VT1705; P34, P21 and P23 (FX) MS7641 v3.0 ALC887, E51 ALC892}} | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Opinion-->P23 issues with audio ALC887 crackles thru earphones - |- | <!--Name-->Gigayte GA-MA770T-UD3P (rev. 3.1) | <!--Chipset-->amd 770 with sb710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata | <!--Gfx-->pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with Realtek ALC888/892 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111d/e | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASRock 890FX Deluxe5 Extreme3 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 890FX + AMD SB850 or SB950 (Extreme3) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes}} | <!--Gfx-->{{N/A}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ALC892}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL8111E rtl8169}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus M5A97 R2.0 EVO | <!--Chipset-->AMD 970 and SB950 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->Asmedia SATA Controller | <!--Gfx-->n/a | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC887 (LE), ALC887 (Regular), ALC892 (EVO) codec | <!--USB-->4 USB 2.0 and 2 Asmedia USB3.0 Controller | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111F | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-970A-D3 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 970 with SB950 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio--> ALC??? (rev. 1.0/1.1), ALC887 (rev1.2), VIA VT2021 codec (rev 1.3 1.4 and rev3.0) | <!--USB-->{{yes|AMD USB2 but not Etron EJ168 chip (USB3)}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE 8111E (all revisions), | <!--Opinion-->2015 64bit - ATX Form Factor 30.5cm x 22.4cm - 4 x 1.5V DDR3 DIMM sockets - |- | <!--Name-->MSI 970 Gaming | <!--Chipset-->970FX SB950 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Realtek® ALC1150 Codec | <!--USB-->6 usb2 with 2 USB3 VIA VL806 Chipset | <!--Ethernet-->Killer E2205 Gigabit LAN | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus M5A99X EVO | <!--Chipset-->990X - RD980 with SB920 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->2 pci-e gen ? | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC892 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 realtek 8111e | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-990XA-UD3 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 990 with SB950 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC889 (rev 1.x, 3.0, 3.1), | <!--USB-->{{yes|AMD USB2 not 2 x Etron EJ168 chips for USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->realtek rtl8169 8111e | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit - ATX Form Factor; 30.5cm x 24.4cm - 4 ddr3 slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====AMD Fusion (2011/14)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | 1.2GHz single Bobcat Fusion C30 + Hudson M1 | ACPI | IDE | SATA | AMD 6250 | Audio | USB | Ethernet | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | Asus E35M1-M PRO uATX | 1.6GHz 18W AMD Fusion E-350 dual core + Hudson M1 | ACPI | {{N/A}} | SATA | AMD 6310 - no HD driver yet | ALC887 VD2 | USB | RTL8111E | 2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - EFI bios - pci slot - |- | Asus E35M1-I Deluxe miniITX | 1.6GHz dual AMD Fusion E350 + Hudson M1 + DDR3 | ACPI | {{N/A}} | SATA | AMD 6310 - no HD driver yet | ALC892 | USB | Realtek 8111E | 2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - no support for Atheros AR5008 on a Mini PCI-E - 1 pci slot - |- | ASRock E350M1 / USB3 (also version with USB3.0 added) | 1.6GHz dual AMD Fusion E350 + Hudson M1 | ACPI | {{N/A}} | SATA - 4 SATA3 | {{Maybe|AMD 6310 - use vesa with hdmi and dvi}} | {{Yes|Audio ALC892 playback but no HDMI output}} | USB - 4 USB2.0 and 2 USB3.0 | {{Yes|rtl8169 for Realtek rtl8111E}} | 2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 1 pci-e 2.0 x4 slot - f2 or del bios, f11 boot select - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-E350N-USB3 mini-ITX | <!--Chipset--> Hudson M1 FCH | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 SATA3 | <!--Gfx--> plus HDMI, DVI | <!--Audio-->ALC892 | <!--USB-->2 NEC USB3.0 with 4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 for Realtek rtl8111E | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 1 pci slot - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-E350N Win8 V1.0 | <!--Chipset-->Hudson M1 FCH A45 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 SATA3 | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Use VESA - AMD 6310 plus HDMI, DVI}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC887 playback through headphones but not thru hdmi}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|4 USB2.0 needs more testing}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 for Realtek 8111e}} | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - works well but need to test with sata hard disk |- | <!--Name-->MSI E350IA-E45 | <!--Chipset-->e-350 + Hudson M1 + DDR3 | <!--ACPI-->no support | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 Sata3 ports | <!--Gfx-->AMD 6310 gpu | <!--Audio-->ALC HDA | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 and 2 USB3.0 through NEC 720200 chipset | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8111E | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS E45M1-M PRO | <!--Chipset-->E450 APU with Hudson M1 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC887 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS E45M1-I Deluxe | <!--Chipset-->E-450 together | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111E | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket FM1 (2011/13)===== On board Graphic on CPU - HD6410D, HD6530D, HD6550D, {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS F1A55-M LE | <!--Chipset--> with AMD A55 FCH (Hudson D2) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->6 x SATA 3Gbit/s port(s), blue Support Raid 0, 1, 10, JBOD | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 2.0 slot or Integrated AMD Radeon™ HD 6000 in Llano APU | <!--Audio-->Realtek® ALC887 Audio CODEC | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 ports | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111E rtl8169 | <!--Opinion-->2012 2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - A-Series/E2- Series APUs up to 4 cores - 2 x DIMM, Max. 32GB, DDR3 2250(O.C.)/1866/1600/1333/1066 MHz Non-ECC, Un-buffered Memory Dual Channel Memory Architecture - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket FM2 White Socket (2012/13)===== Onboard Gfx on CPU - HD6570, HD7480D, HD7540D, {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A75 A85X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket FM2 Plus Black socket (2013/15)===== Onboard Gfx on CPU - HD6570, HD7480D, HD7540D, {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A88X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket AM1 FS1b socket (2014/1x)===== 5350 4 core Jaguar cores 2GHz with Integrated AMD Radeon R Series Graphics in the APU Kabini [Radeon HD 8400] Later Beema APU with 2/4 core Puma (slightly updated Jaguar) cores, GCN graphics and a compute capable Radeon core, along with a brand new AMD security processor and FT3 BGA packaging (probably best avoided for long term survival). {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS AM1I-A | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HD Audio Realtek® ALC887-VD | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111GR 8168 | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit may support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->MSI AM1I | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC887 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111G | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI AM1M | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC887 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111G | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->BGA FT3 AM1x |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket AM4 FM3 Summit Ridge Zen Zen+ (2016/22)===== Jim Keller’s group designed x86 Zen CPU - new and covering the same AM4 platform/socket for desktop Zen will also shift from Bulldozer’s Clustered Multithreading (CMT) to Simultaneous Multithreading (SMT, aka Intel’s Hyperthreading). CMT is the basis for Bulldozer’s unusual combination of multiple integer cores sharing a single FPU within a module, so the move to SMT is a more “traditional” design for improving resource usage Trusted Platform Module, or fTPM, that Windows 11 requires. Ryzen processors using a firmware TPM are causing stutters, even when doing mundane tasks. To enable TPM 2.0 on your AMD system please follow the steps below. <pre> Power on system and press DEL or F2 to get into the BIOS. Navigate to Advanced\CPU Configuration. Enable AMD fTPM switch. Press F10 to save changes. </pre> {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG Crosshair VI Hero | <!--Chipset-->X370 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 3.0 (1x16 or 2x8) | <!--Audio-->SupremeFX audio features an S1220 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel I211 | <!--Opinion-->Ryzen 7 1800X 1700X |- | <!--Name-->Biostar X370gtn Itx Am4 | <!--Chipset-->AMD X370 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek Dragon LAN RTL8118AS | <!--Opinion--> 2 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-AX370 K7 | <!--Chipset--> X370 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with 2 x Realtek® ALC1220 codec 0x10EC, 0x0295 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->1 intel and 1 E2500 | <!--Opinion--> 4 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name-->MSI Xpower Gaming Titanium | <!--Chipset--> X370 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->8-channel Realtek 1220 Codec 0x10EC, 0x0295 | <!--USB-->ASMedia® ASM2142 and amd cpu | <!--Ethernet-->1 x Intel® I211AT Gigabit LAN | <!--Opinion--> 2 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus Prime B350 Plus ATX | <!--Chipset-->B350 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> x PCIe 3.0/2.0 x16 (x16 mode) | <!--Audio-->Realtek® ALC887 8-Channel | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® RTL8111H | <!--Opinion-->Ryzen 5 1600x 1600 1500X 1400 - 4 x DIMM Max 64GB, DDR4 up to 2666MHz ECC and non-ECC Memory - ATX 12 inch x 9.35 inch ( 30.5 cm x 23.7 cm ) - 2 pci |- | <!--Name-->Asus PRIME B350M-A/CSM Micro ATX | <!--Chipset-->AMD B350 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek LAN | <!--Opinion-->Ryzen 3 1300x 1200 1100 |- | <!--Name-->AsRock Pro4 AB350 | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->2 PCIe 3.0 x16, 4 PCIe 2.0 x1 | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Opinion-->2017 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->ASRock AB350 Gaming-ITX/ac | <!--Chipset--> B350 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel LAN | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI B350 Tomahawk Arctic Mortar | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->1 x PCIe 3.0 x16 (x16 mode) | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8111H | <!--Opinion-->white and grey colours - 2 pci-e and 2 pci slots - m.2 in middle - atx 12 in by 9.6 in and matx versions - |- | <!--Name-->Jginyue M-ATX B350M-TI | <!--Chipset-->B350 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Jginyue B350I-Plus ITX | <!--Chipset-->B350 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASRock A320M-ITX MINI ITX Rev1.0 Rev2 Rev2.1 | <!--Chipset-->A320 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2018 |- | <!--Name-->Asus PRIME A320M-C R2.0 rev1.1 A320M-K | <!--Chipset-->A320 A/B300 SFF | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HD audio with Realtek ALC887 alc897 CODEC | <!--USB-->2 usb 3.1 gen 1 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111E | <!--Opinion-->2019 64bit - 3rd/2nd/1st Gen AMD Ryzen™ / 2nd and 1st Gen AMD Ryzen™ with Radeon™ Vega |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI A320M-A PRO MicroATX | <!--Chipset-->AMD A320 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio Realtek® ALC892 | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® 8111H | <!--Opinion-->2019 64bit - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG X399 Zenith Extreme | <!--Chipset-->AMD X399 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio--> supremefx s1220 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel | <!--Opinion-->Threadripper 1950X 1920X 1900X TR4 skt |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->AsRock Fatality X470 Gaming K4 mATX | <!--Chipset-->X470 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->pci-e rebar possible | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asrock Fatal1ty X470 Gaming-ITXac AMD AM4 | <!--Chipset-->AMD X470 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->ASUS ROG STRIX X470-I GAMING AM4 ITX Motherboard | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus B450-I Gaming | <!--Chipset-->AMD B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->high VRM temps - raven ridge 14nm+ like 2200G 2400G |- | <!--Name-->AsRock B450 Gaming K4 | <!--Chipset-->B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> alc892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> 4 ddr4 slots - low VRM thermals 3900x 3950x |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte B450 I Aorus Pro Wifi | <!--Chipset-->AMD B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 nvme pcie3 with 4 sata | <!--Gfx-->pcie | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek® ALC1220-VB codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel LAN | <!--Opinion-->very high vrm temps |- | <!--Name-->Jginyue B450i Gaming ITX | <!--Chipset-->B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata3 - none nvme | <!--Gfx-->pcie3 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->1G | <!--Opinion-->2021 64 2nd 3rd AMD - 2 ddr4 dimm slots |- | <!--Name-->MSI b450 tomahawk max | <!--Chipset--> b450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{n/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HD audio with Realtek® ALC892 Codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111H | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI B450 Pro Carbon | <!--Chipset-->B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> ALC codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel LAN | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI B450-A PRO | <!--Chipset-->B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 8111h | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI B450I GAMING Plus AC ITX | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2019 - 2nd and 3rd gen AMD - 2 ddr4 slots - |- | <!--Name-->MSI B450 GAMING PLUS MAX | <!--Chipset-->B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek® ALC892/ALC897 Codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 8111H | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MAXSUN AMD Challenger B450M M-ATX (aka Soyo) | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASRock X570 PHANTOM GAMING-ITX/TB3 Mini ITX AM4 | <!--Chipset-->X570 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 4.0 | <!--Audio--> ALC1200 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel LAN | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG Crosshair VIII Dark Hero | <!--Chipset-->AMD X570 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> SupremeFX7.1 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel® I211-AT and Realtek® RTL8125-CG 2.5G LAN | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG Strix X570-I Gaming Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI MPG X570 Gaming Plus | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> alc1220 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG Strix B550-i AM4 ITX Motherboard | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 - |- | <!--Name-->Jginyue Jingyue B550i Gaming itx | <!--Chipset-->B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->3 with 1 nvme | <!--Gfx-->1 pci-e 4 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio alc | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->1G | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit max of Ryzen 5500 (c t), 5600, 5600g (6c12t) - 2 ddr4 |- | <!--Name-->Asrock B550 PHANTOM GAMING ITX/AX | <!--Chipset-->AMD B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> pci-e | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with alc1220 codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|intel 2.5G}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->AsRock B550M-ITX/ac | <!--Chipset-->B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC887 ALC897 Audio Codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek Gigabit LAN | <!--Opinion-->2022 - 2 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name-->AsRock ASRock B550M-HDV | <!--Chipset-->B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->nvme and sata3 | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 4.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC887 or ALC897 Audio Codec unknown | <!--USB-->usb3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek rtl8111h Gigabit LAN}} | <!--Opinion-->2022 - 2 ddr4 slots - 1 pcie x1 slot - |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG STRIX B550-A GAMING | <!--Chipset-->B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->PCIe Gen4 x4 & SATA3 | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 4 | <!--Audio--> supremefx S1220A | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel® I225-V 2.5Gb}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte AMD B550I AORUS PRO AX Mini-ITX rev 1.0 | <!--Chipset-->AMD B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 nvme pci-e3 with 4 sata3 | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->Realtek® ALC1220-VB codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Realtek® 2.5GbE LAN}} | <!--Opinion-->2021 2 x DDR4 DIMM sockets 1Rx8/2Rx8/1Rx16 - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte B550 AORUS ELITE AX V2 ATX | <!--Chipset-->B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 4.0 DP and hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC1200 | <!--USB-->USB3 USB 3.2 Gen1 Type-C | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|2.5GbE LAN}} | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit- finer tuning than A520's - AMD Ryzen 5000 Series/ 3rd Gen Ryzen and 3rd Gen Ryzen with Radeon Graphics CPU - Dual Channel ECC/ Non-ECC Unbuffered DDR4, 4 DIMMs - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte B550M DS3H mATX | <!--Chipset--> B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 4.0 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio ALC887 | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->realtek rtl8118 | <!--Opinion-->2021 64bit - 4 ddr4 dimms - |- | <!--Name-->MSI MPG B550 GAMING PLUS ATX | <!--Chipset--> B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 4.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC892 | <!--USB-->USB 3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8111H | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit - 3rd Gen AMD Ryzen Processors - 4 dimm ddr4 - |- | <!--Name-->MSI MAG B550 TOMAHAWK ATX | <!--Chipset--> B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe 1 x M.2, Socket 3, M Key (up to Type 22110) and 1 x M.2, Socket 3, M Key (Type 2242/2260/2280) | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 4.0 with dp and hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDaudio ALC1200 | <!--USB-->USB3 1 x USB 3.1 Type-C and 1 x USB 3.1 Type-A | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8125B and Realtek RTL8111H | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit - 4 Dimm slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Jginyue A520M-H mATX | <!--Chipset-->A520 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> old bios with random issues with APU ryzens - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte A520M S2H mATX | <!--Chipset-->AMD A520 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 1GbE | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit Zen3 65W and up - 2 ddr4 - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte A520I AC mITX mini-itx | <!--Chipset-->AMD A520 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit Zen3 65W and up 5600G (6c12t) or 5700G (8c16t) - 2 ddr4 dimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->MSI A520M-A PRO mATX | <!--Chipset-->A520 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe 1 x M.2, Socket 3, M Key (Type 2242/2260/2280) | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC892 | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111H | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit - 2 ddr4 dimm slots - 3rd Gen AMD Ryzen Desktop and AMD Ryzen 4000 G-Series CPU |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} ===== (Socket AM5 LGA1718 Zen4 Zen5 Zen6 2022/27)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asrock Steel Legend | <!--Chipset-->x670e | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e rnda2 | <!--Audio-->HD audio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit - ddr5 ecc (10 chip) and non-ecc (8 chips) 64Gb @ 6000Mhz or 128GB @ 4800Mhz - |- | <!--Name-->Asrock TaiChi | <!--Chipset-->x670e | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e rnda2 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio | <!--USB-->USB4 with Thunderbolt 4 equivalent | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek killer E3000 2.5GbE}} | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit - ddr5 ecc (10 chip) and non-ecc (8 chips) |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG Crosshair Hero | <!--Chipset-->x670e | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe rnda2 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x670e | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->rnda3 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit 7950x3d 120W, 7900 7800 7600 90W |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x670e | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->rnda3 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus B650E-I | <!--Chipset-->B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 5 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2023 - better sound with an actual AMP, PCIe 5, USB-C display outs - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x650 B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x650 B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x650 B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MAXSUN AMD Challenger B650M WIFI M-ATX (aka Soyo) | <!--Chipset-->B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI b650i mini itx | <!--Chipset-->B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 4 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Opinion-->2023 - front panel connectors at the back of the board - dead rear nvme slot and a drained CMOS battery as the CMOS button being pressed during shipping - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A620M Zen4 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A620M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A620M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A620M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> Zen5 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> Zen6 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--ACPI--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Opinion-->2026 FP8 Zen 6 Medusa Point 4bigC, 4 econC, 2lpC, 8coreGPU - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--ACPI--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Opinion-->2026 FP10 Zen 6 Medusa Point 4bigC, 4 econC, 2lpC, 8coreGPU - |- |} ===== (Zen7 AM6 2027/3x)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} ===== (Zen AM 203x/3x)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} ====Intel Sockets==== [[#top|...to the top]] =====Socket 370 (2000/2)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Intel D815EEA | <!--Chipset-->866Mhz P3 and i815 chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Nvidia AGPx8 6200LE added}} | <!--Audio-->{{N/A}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|2 USB1.1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} | <!--Opinion-->Tested AspireOS 1.7, simple basic board with useful 5 PCI slots |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} =====Socket 478 (2002/4)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->[http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&u=http://detail.zol.com.cn/motherboard/index46381.shtml&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dc.865pe.l%2Bmotherboard%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3DsZB%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official Colorful Technology C.865PE-L Silver Fighter Warrior V2.3] | <!--Chipset-->865PE | <!--ACPI-->{{dunno| }} | <!--IDE-->{{Yes|tested with CDROM}} | <!--SATA-->{{dunno| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|AGP slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|ALC650 AC97}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB 1.1 and 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8100 8139}} | <!--Opinion-->Still testing with NB (Nightly Build) May 2013 |- | <!--Name-->Intel 845 | <!--Chipset-->865P | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{No|intel 800}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 AD1985}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB1.1 and USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|e1000}} | <!--Opinion-->Tested ICAROS 1.3 |- | <!--Name-->Intel 845 | <!--Chipset-->865GC | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{No|intel 865 Extreme Graphics 2}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 AD1985}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB1.1 and USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|e1000}} | <!--Opinion-->Tested ICAROS 1.3 |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA775 s775 (2005/8)===== an industry standard DDR2 module could in theory contain fallback JEDEC, intel XMP and AMD EPP configuration data Intel PC CL5 ram modules but an "AMD" CL5 ram module the BIOS cannot read the AMD EPP info on the SPD (Serial Presence Detect) but can recognize the CL5 timing info in the JEDEC data table. PC BIOS auto configures for the AMD ram module and boots normally. an AMD PC CL6 ram modules but an "INTEL" CL6 ram module the BIOS cannot read the INTEL XMP info on the SPD but can recognize the CL6 timing info in JEDEC data table. PC BIOS auto configures for the AMD ram module and boots normally. an INTEL PC needs CL6 ram modules but have an "AMD" CL4 ram module. INTEL BIOS cannot read the AMD EPP info on the SPD but can recognize the CL4 timing info in JEDEC data table. PC BIOS recognizes module timings as incompatible an refuses to boot. entirely separate issue if the RAM module timing specs are incompatible.(i.e. CL4 RAM in a "CL6 only" PC) {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Abit AG8 | <!--Chipset-->P915 + ICH6R | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 ports SATA1 | <!--Gfx-->1 PCIe x16 Slot | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC658 AC97 | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8110S-32 | <!--Opinion-->2004 32bit - Firewire TI 4200R7T no |- | <!--Name-->MSI 915 Neo2 | <!--Chipset-->P915 + ICH6R | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 ports SATA1 | <!--Gfx-->1 PCIe x16 Slot | <!--Audio-->CMI 9880L HD Audio | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcomm BCM5751 PCIe}} | <!--Opinion-->Firewire VIA VT6306 no |- |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5GC P5GC-MX | <!--Chipset-->P945GC Lakeport-GC + ICH7R northbridge | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 SATA1 3.0 Gbit/s ports | <!--Gfx-->1 PCIe 1.1 slot | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC662 codec | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 usb2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|atheros L2}} | <!--Opinion-->2005 32bit - 3 pci slots - 4 x 240-pin DIMM Sockets max. 4GB DDR2 667/533 non-ECC - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Foxconn PC45CM-SA 45CM-S | <!--Chipset-->945GC with ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 sata2 ports | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|pcie 1.0 slot with gma950 integrated}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with aLC883 codec playback}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|realtek 8139 8100sc}} | <!--Opinion-->2 dimm slots 667mhz max 4gb - can be found in Advent desktops - 2 pci-e and 2 pci - core 2 duo only e6xxx - Micro ATX (9.6” x 8.8”) - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-81945GM MFY-RH | <!--Chipset-->Intel® 945GM Express with ICH7M-DH | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA950 VGA15 and PCI-e 1.0 slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with ALC880 codec playback only rear port}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|4 usb 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel PRO1000PL 82573L Gigabit Ethernet}} | <!--Opinion-->2006 MoDT term “Mobile on DeskTop.”, low TDP CPUs to work on desktop form-factor motherboards. mATX Micro ATX 24.4cm x 24.4cm - 2 DDR2 dimm 1.8v slots with 4Gb max - will not boot if PCI2 slot occupied - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-945 GCM S2C | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC662 (1.x)}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|8101E Rtl 8169 (1.x)}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA945-GCM S2L | <!--Chipset-->945GC with ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 SATA1 ports | <!--Gfx-->PCi-E slot | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel HD Audio with ALC662 codec 2/4/5.1-channel (1.x)}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|4 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8111c 8169 (1.x)}} | <!--Opinion-->2 x 1.8V DDR2 DIMM 4GB DDR2 memory max - 2 PCI-e and 2 PCI - Micro ATX form factor; 24.4cm x 19.3cm - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI 945P Neo-F rev 1.0 | <!--Chipset-->P945 + ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 SATA1 ports | <!--Gfx-->PCie 1.0 slot | <!--Audio-->ALC662 HDA | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->8110SC (rtl8169) | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI 945P Neo2-F rev 1.2 | <!--Chipset-->P945 + ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 SATA1 ports | <!--Gfx-->PCie 1.0 slot | <!--Audio-->ALC850 AC97 | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->8110SC (rtl8169) | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-P31-DS3L | <!--Chipset-->P31 with ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCI Express x16 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC888 codec | <!--USB-->4 USB 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111B | <!--Opinion-->DDR2 800Mhz up to 4Gb 4 x 240 pin - 3 PCI - ATX 12.0" x 8.3" - |- |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5KPL-AM /PS | <!--Chipset-->G31 with ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->4 xSATA 3 Gbit/s ports | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 1.1 with integrated Intel® GMA 3100 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with VIA VT1708B with ALC662 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8102EL 100/10 LAN with Realtek RTL8111C Gigabit LAN | <!--Opinion-->2 x 2 GB DDR2 Non-ECC,Un-buffered DIMMs with 2 PCI - Intel Graphics Media Accelerator - |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5KPL/EPU | <!--Chipset-->G31 with ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Pci-e 1.0 slot | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with ALC887 codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL8169 Realtek 8111C}} | <!--Opinion-->Tested - 4 240-pin DIMM, Max. 4 GB - 4 pci-e and 3 pci - ATX Form Factor 12 inch x 8.2 inch ( 30.5 cm x 20.8 cm ) - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-G31M ES2L | <!--Chipset-->G31 plus ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 3100 2d}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ALC883 (1.x), ALC883/888B (2.x)}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|RTL8111C (1.x), Atheros 8131 (2.x)}} | <!--Opinion-->reduces DRAM capacity to 4GB |- | <!--Name-->ASRock G31M-S r1.0 G31M-GS | <!--Chipset-->G31 + ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|4 sata2}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|GMA 3100 2d not 3d}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC662}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|4 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{partial|rtl8169 RTL8111DL 8169 (for -GS) RTL8102EL (for -S)}} | <!--Opinion-->2007 64bit Core2 - 2 DDR2 800 max 8Gig AMI bios MicroATX - |- | <!--Name-->ASRock G31M-S r2.0 | <!--Chipset-->G31 + ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|4 sata2}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|GMA 3100 2d not 3d}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC662}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|4 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL 8111DL 8169}} | <!--Opinion-->2008 64bit core2 - 2 DDR2 800 max 8Gig MicroATX |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.intel.com/cd/channel/reseller/apac/eng/products/desktop/bdb/dg31pr/feature/index.htm Intel DG31PR] | <!--Chipset-->iG31 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|3100 but can use PCIe 1.1 slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC888 playback}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8111B Rtl 8169}} | <!--Opinion-->good support |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Intel G33 Express Chipset with ich9 southbridge | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Intel 3100 powervr tile based | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2008 64bit - embedded on Core 2 Quad, Core 2 Duo, Pentium Dual-Core CPUS with Integrated GPU Intel GMA 3100 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASUS P5G41T-M LX | <!--Chipset-->G41 + ICH8 + DDR3 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|X4500 some 2d only)}} | <!--Audio-->ALC887 | <!--USB-->3 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Atheros L1c AR8131}} | <!--Opinion-->reduces maximum supported memory ddr3 from 16 to 8GB 2 dimm slots non-EEC - demotes the PCIe controller mode from revision 2.0 (5.0GT/s) to revision 1.1 (2.5GT/s |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-G41MT S2 | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->VT1708S (1.3), ALC887-VD2 (1.4), ALC887 (2.1), | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Atheros AR8151 l1c (1.x 2.x), | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-G41MT S2PT | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC887 (1.0), VIA (2.0), ALC887 (2.1) | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8111E (1.x), Atheros AR8151 l1c (2.1), | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-G41MT D3 | <!--Chipset-->G41 + ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 Port | <!--SATA-->4 Ports | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|GMA X4500 2d only and pci-e 1.1 slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC888B}} | <!--USB-->4 ports + headers | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8111 D/E}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-P41T D3P | <!--Chipset-->G41 + ICH7 with Intel Core 2 Duo (E6xxx) CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4ports | <!--Gfx-->GMA X4500 2d | <!--Audio-->ALC888 889/892 | <!--USB-->4 ports | <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8111C or D/E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Intel DG41AN Classic | <!--Chipset-->iG41 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 ports | <!--Gfx-->X4500 2d | <!--Audio-->ALC888S ALC888VC | <!--USB-->4 ports | <!--Ethernet-->8111E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->AsRock P5B-DE | <!--Chipset-->P965 + ICH8 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|works ide legacy}} |<!--Gfx-->{{Yes|with PCI-E 1.1 slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio via VT1708S}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL8169}} | <!--Opinion-->2006 works well |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5B SE | <!--Chipset-->965 intel | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{N/A}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio ALC662 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion-->works well except ethernet |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5W DH Deluxe P5WDG2 WS PRO | <!--Chipset-->975X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->2 ports | <!--Gfx-->2 PCIe x16 slots | <!--Audio-->ALC882 AND LATER ADI 1988B | <!--USB-->2 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8052 88E8053}} | <!--Opinion-->Firewire TI TSB43AB22A no |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Abit IP35 | <!--Chipset-->P35 Express + ICH9R | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 ports | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC888 HDA | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->two RTL8110SC | <!--Opinion-->Firewire Texas TSB43 AB22A no |- | <!--Name-->MSI P35 Neo F FL MS-7630 rev 1 | <!--Chipset-->Intel P35 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 1.1 support | <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC888 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Opinion-->Base model of this range of P35 mobos |- | <!--Name-->GA-P35-DS3 | <!--Chipset-->P35 and ICH9 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 ports | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC889A codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8111B | <!--Opinion-->2008 - 4 x 1.8V DDR2 DIMM sockets max 8 GB - |- | <!--Name-->GA-EP35-DS3 (rev. 2.1) | <!--Chipset-->Intel® P35 + ICH9 Chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{unk|}} | <!--SATA-->{{unk|4 }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{unk|Realtek ALC889A codec }} | <!--USB-->{{yes | }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8111B}} | <!--Opinion-->good |- | <!--Name-->Abit IX38 Quad GT | <!--Chipset-->X38 / ICH9R Chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 ports | <!--Gfx-->PCI-E 2.0 slot | <!--Audio--> HD Audio ALC888 | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL 8110SC 8169SC | <!--Opinion-->Firewire Texas TSB 43AB22A no |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte X38-DQ6 | <!--Chipset-->X38 / ICH9R Chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 ports | <!--Gfx-->PCI-E 2.0 slot | <!--Audio-->ALC889A HDA | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->twin 8111B 8169 | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-EP45 DS3 (2008) | <!--Chipset-->P45 + ICH9 or ICH10 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 x SATA 3Gbit/s (SATAII0, SATAII1, SATAII2, SATAII3, SATAII4, SATAII5) | <!--Gfx-->two PCI-E v2.0 x16 slots support splitting its 16 PCIe 2.0 lanes across two cards at x8 transfers | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC888 or ALC889A codec | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->2 x Realtek 8111C chips (10/100 /1000 Mbit) | <!--Opinion-->4 x 1.8V DDR2 DIMM sockets non-EEC |- | <!--Name-->MSI P45 Platinum (2008) | <!--Chipset-->P45 + ICH9 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 sata2 ports | <!--Gfx-->two PCI-E x16 v2.0 slots | <!--Audio-->ALC888 HD Audio | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->G45 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->adds Intel’s GMA X4500HD graphics engine to P45 Express features | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->G43 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->GMA X4500 2d | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->removes HD video acceleration from the G45’s features |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5E Deluxe | <!--Chipset--> X48 with ICH9 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ADI 1988B codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Marvell 88E8001 | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->GigaByte GA-X48 DQ6 | <!--Chipset-->X48 plus ICH9R | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->8 ports | <!--Gfx-->two PCI-E x16 v2.0 slots | <!--Audio-->ALC889A | <!--USB-->8 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8111B 8169 | <!--Opinion-->Firewire TSB43AB23 no - ICH9 pairs with Intel’s 3-series (X38, P35, etc.) chipsets, in addition to the X48 Express, but excluding the G35 Express |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte EP43-DS3L and Gigabyte GA-EP43-UD3L | <!--Chipset-->P43 with ICH10 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 x SATA 3Gbit/s connectors | <!--Gfx-->1 x PCI Express x16 slot PCI Express 2.0 standard | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC888 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8111C | <!--Opinion-->4 x 1.8V DDR2 DIMM sockets - 4 pcie x1 - 2 pci - ATX Form Factor; 30.5cm x 21.0cm |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte 73-pvm-s2h rev.1.0 | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA GeForce 7100 nForce 630i | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes|1 port}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|3 ports SATA2}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d GeForce 7100 (vga /hdmi/dvi), 1 PCIe x16 Slot }} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Realtek ALC889A MCP73}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|7 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|RTL 8211B MCP73}} | <!--Opinion-->Firewire Not, tested with Icaros Desktop 2.0.3 MCP73 is a single chip solution in three different versions |- | <!--Name-->Nvidia 7150 630i | <!--Chipset-->intel based nForce 630i (MCP73) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|ide legacy}} | <!--GFX-->GF 7150 | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD AUDIO ALC883}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|ohci echi}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|RTL8201C}} | <!--Opinion-->being tested |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 2.0 x16 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> the MCP73PV or the GeForce 7050/nForce 630i |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->the MCP73S or the GeForce7025/nForce 630i |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->the MCP73V or the GeForce 7025/nForce 610i |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Atom SOC (2008/2x)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->D945CLF | <!--Chipset-->N230 single core | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|GMA945}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC662}} Skt 441 | <!--USB-->{{yes|uhci and ehci}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169}} | <!--Opinion-->works very well |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.clusteruk.com iMica D945GCKF2 mobo] | <!--Chipset-->Intel Atom N330 Dual Core | <!--ACPI-->wip | <!--IDE-->{{yes|IDE}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|gma}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD AUDIO}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|uhci ehci}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->D945GSEJT + Morex T1610 | <!--Chipset-->Atom 230 with 945GSE | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|GMA900 vga but issues with DVI output}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio with ALC662 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8169 8111DL}} | <!--Opinion-->small size, runs off 12V |- | <!--Name-->ASUS AT3N7A-I | <!--Chipset-->Atom N330 Nvidia ION | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|3 ports legacy IDE}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|nouveau cube cube 2 45 quake 3 }} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio with VIA 1708S codec playback}} | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8169 device}} | <!--Opinion--><ref>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAiJpvu73iw</ref> good but can freeze randomly at times |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->D410PT 45nm pinetrail | <!--Chipset-->D410 and NM10 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|ide legacy}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|GMA3150}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC262 or ALC66x odd clicks}} | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8111DL}} | <!--Opinion-->some support |- | <!--Name-->45nm pinetrail | <!--Chipset-->D510 and NM10 + GMA3150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->GMA3150 | <!--Audio-->ALC888B or ALC66x | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8111DL | <!--Opinion-->some support |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-D525TUD (rev. 1.0 1.2 1.5) | <!--Chipset-->D525 NM10 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->gma 3150 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC887 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111f | <!--Opinion-->2012 64 - 2 ddr3 dimm slots max 8g - Mini-ITX Form Factor; 17.0cm x 17.0cm - |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- |} =====Socket 1366 (2009/10)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus P6T DELUXE | <!--Chipset-->x58 + ICH10 and Intel 1st gen. (Nehalem/Lynnfield) Core i7 (8xx) CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|1 port}} | <!--SATA-->4 ports | <!--Gfx-->2 PCIe x16 (r2.0) slots | <!--Audio-->ADI AD2000B HD Audio | <!--USB-->{{yes|4 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Marvell 88E8056 Gigabit}} | <!--Opinion-->Firewire VIA VT6308 no |- | <!--Name-->gigabyte ex58 ds | <!--Chipset--> x58 + ICH10 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111D rtl8169 | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket 1156 (2010)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire M3910 | <!--Chipset-->i3 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{unk| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA intel HD}} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek ALC}} | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk| Realtek}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H55M-S2H | <!--Chipset-->H55 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe slot | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|ALCxxx playback}} ALC888B (Rev1.x) | <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL8111D}} (Rev 1.x) | <!--Opinion-->Tested but no support for WLAN Realtek 8188su |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI H55M-E33 v1.0 | <!--Chipset-->E7636 M7636 H55 chipset so older i3/i5/i7 system | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio ALC889}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|PCI-E Realtek 8111DL}} | <!--Opinion-->Works well |- | <!--Name-->Asus P7P55D | <!--Chipset-->P55 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{unk| }} | <!--SATA-->{{unk| }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{maybe | via codec}} | <!--USB-->{{unk| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe |rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111B/C RTL8112L }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA 1155 H2 (2010/13)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS P8H61-I LX R2.0 | <!--Chipset-->H61 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata | <!--Gfx-->1 pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio via7018s codec}} | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 8111f}} | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit up to intel ivybridge cpus - 2 ddr3 dimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->Asus P8H61-I/RM/SI mini-itx | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 2 | <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio via7018s codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 8111f}} | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit up to i3-2010 - OEM board from an RM machine but not ivybridge as the Asus BIOS isn't compatible with these, 0909 hacked one might work - |- | <!--Name-->asus p8h61-i lx r2.0/rm/si mini itx | <!--Chipset-->h61 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 2.0 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with VIA codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111e | <!--Opinion-->2012 sandy and ivy - oem from rm machine 2 x 240-Pin DDR3 DIMM sockets max DDR3 1333MHz - |- | <!--Name-->‎Bewinner 63q9c7omvs V301 ITX | <!--Chipset-->H61 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata with nvme | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 4 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Realtek 8106E 100M Network Card}} | <!--Opinion-->2022 64 |- | <!--Name-->Biostar H61 H61MHV2 H61MHV3 Ver. 7.0 | <!--Chipset-->H61 with Intel Pentium G 2xxx series CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC662 later ALC897 | <!--USB-->4 usb2 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H | <!--Opinion-->2014 - 2 ddr3 dimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H61M-D2-B3 | <!--Chipset-->H61 + Sandybridge | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 ports sata2 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC889 | <!--USB-->2 ports | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8111E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H61MA-D3V | <!--Chipset-->H61 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 ports sata2 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Maybe HDAudio with Realtek ALC887 (Rev 2.0) ALC887 (Rev2.1) | <!--USB-->2 USB 2.0/1.1 ports | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8111E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H61N-D2V | <!--Chipset-->H61 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata2 and maybe 4 sata3 | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 2.0 slot wit 1 x DVI-I port | <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek ALC887 (Rev 1.0)}} | <!--USB-->2 USB 2.0/1.1 ports | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8111E | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit- 2 x 1.5V DDR3 DIMM sockets up to 16 GB - |- | <!--Name-->GA-H61M-S2PV | <!--Chipset-->H61 with 2400k 2500k 2600k 2700k | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 2.0 slot | <!--Audio-->ALC887 (rev 1.0 2.0 2.1 2.2 2.3) | <!--USB-->4 USB 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Rtl8111E (1.0), 8151 (2.0) no, Rtl8111F (2.1 2.2 2.3) | <!--Opinion-->Micro ATX Form Factor; 24.4cm x 20cm with 2 pci-e and 2 pci - |- | <!--Name-->Intel Classic Series DH61CR Desktop | <!--Chipset-->H61 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 ports | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC892 | <!--USB-->4 ports | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82579V}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI H61M-P20 (G3) MS-7788 *retail MSI board *OEM Advent, etc | <!--Chipset-->H61 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|four SATAII ports}} | <!--Gfx-->1 PCI Express gen3 (retail) gen2 (oem) x16 slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio ALC887 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek 8105E 100M Network Card}} | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit - 2 ddr3 slots - 22.6cm(L) x 17.3cm(W) M-ATX Form Factor - BIOS - [https://www.arosworld.org/infusions/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=1149&rowstart=140&pid=6009#post_6007 works well], |- | <!--Name-->MSI H61I-E35 (B3) MS-7677 Ver.1.2 | <!--Chipset-->H61 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata2 3gbps | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2d for hdmi and 1 pcie 2.0 x1 slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|https://www.arosworld.org/infusions/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=1149&rowstart=140&pid=5861#post_5861 works}} | <!--USB-->USB3 and USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 rtl8111e}} | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit - 2 ddr3 slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus P8H67-M | <!--Chipset-->H67 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata3 - 4 sata2 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC887 | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® 8111E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus P8P67 | <!--Chipset-->P67 with sandybridge and ivybridge cpus | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with ALC codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|rtl8169 realtek rtl8111}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus P8Z68-V LX | <!--Chipset-->Z68 + Intel 2nd generation (Sandy Bridge) CPU and possibly ivybridge | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|2 sata3 - 4 sata2}} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio Intel HD with ALC887 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 USB3.0 - 4 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek® 8111E}} | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit SSE 4.1 and AVX - EFI bios - 4 ddr3 dimm slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte Z68AP-D3 (B3) | <!--Chipset-->Z68 + Ivybridge | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata3 - 4 sata2 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC889 | <!--USB-->2 USB3.0 - 4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® 8111E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus B75M-A | <!--Chipset-->B75 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HDAudio with Realtek ® ALC887-VD codec}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek ® 8111F-VB-CG }} | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit - 2 ddr3 slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->H77 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H77-D3H 1.0 1.1 | <!--Chipset-->H77 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata 3.0 | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio VIA VT2021 codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros GbE LAN chip}} | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit i5 3550 7 3770 - 4 DDR3 slots - 2 full pci-e 2 pci slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA Z77 D3H with i3 3225 dual | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio VIA VT2021 codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros GbE LAN chip}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA 1150 H3 (2013/2016)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->[https://theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/asus-b85m-e-rev-1-02 Asus B85M-E] | <!--Chipset-->B85 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HDAudio with Realtek ® ALC887-VD2 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8111F}} | <!--Opinion-->2014 64bit - 4 ddr3 slots - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H87N-WIFI mITX | <!--Chipset-->H87 and Intel 4th generation (Haswell) Core i5 (4xxx) CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC892 | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel Atheros}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS H81I-PLUS Mini ITX | <!--Chipset-->H81 with intel 4590t 4690t | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata3 6gbps | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 3.0 x4 slot and with HD4400 HDMI vga mode works but other grub options no display just black screen - analogue DVI and vga untested | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio 6.34 with ALC8878 codec playback only}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|USB3 and USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 rtl8111g}} | <!--Opinion-->2014 64bit - 2 ddr3 dimm slots max 16gb - f2 or DEL bios and f8 boot select - does not like unconnected gfx card in pci-e slot - deadwood 2026-09 DO3 build - |- | <!--Name-->Asus H81M-C H81M-P-SI | <!--Chipset-->H81 with 4th generation (Haswell) Core i7 (4xxx) CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|2x3g 2x6g}} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->hdaudio alc887 vd | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8111gr | <!--Opinion-->2013 skt 1150 - 2 ddr3 max 16g - mini atx - |- | <!--Name-->Asus H81T | <!--Chipset-->H81 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata | <!--Gfx-->HD4000 igpu only | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC887-VD | <!--USB-->Intel USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 realtek 8111G | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit intel 4th gen mini itx - external dc brick with 19v rare barrel pin 7.4MM x 5.0MM - 2 ddr3 laptop sodimm slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H81M-S2V | <!--Chipset-->H81 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC887 | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® GbE LAN chip | <!--Opinion-->2014 64bit up to i7 4790K - 2 DDR3 slots - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H81M-D3V (rev. 1.0) | <!--Chipset-->H81 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|2 sata2 2 sata3 }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{unk| HDAudio Realtek® ALC887 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{unk|intel and VIA® VL805}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|rtl8169 Realtek }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI H81M-E34 (MS-7817) | <!--Chipset-->H81 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 2.0 x16 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC887 codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 RTL8111G}} | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus Z87-K | <!--Chipset-->Z87 with 4th generation (Haswell) Core i7 4c8t i5 4c4t CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek lan | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-Z87X-UD3H | <!--Chipset-->Z87 Express | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with Realtek® ALC898 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|intel}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA H97M D3H r1.0 r1.1 with i3 4360 or 4370 dual | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek lan | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus Z97 A with i7 4790K | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e slot for GTX 750, 960, 970 and 980 | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|intel lan ethernet}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA Z97X UD3H rev1.0 1.1 1.2 | <!--Chipset-->Z97 with i5 4690K | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with ALC1150 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|intel lan}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI GAMING 5 Z97 | <!--Chipset-->Z97 with 4th generation (Haswell) Core i7 4c8t CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS Q87M-E | <!--Chipset-->Q87 lynx point | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->ALC887VD codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|intel}} | <!--Opinion-->2014 64bit - 4 DDR3 slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->H99 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA2011V2 s2011-2 (2012/15)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x79 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2013 Xeon e5-???? W TDP, e5-2667V2 W TDP, e5-????V2 W TDP, Sandybridge and Ivybridge V2 |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset-->X79 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA2011V3 s2011-3 (2015/18)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x99 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2016 Xeon e5-1620v3 130W TDP, e5-1650V3 (i7-5930K) 140W TDP, e5-2640V3 90W TDP, Haswell-EP |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset-->X99 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->most cheap Ryzens are better nowadays |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Huananzhi X99-CD4 | <!--Chipset-->Intel C612 and X99 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata 3 connectors and 1 m.2 nvme slot | <!--Gfx-->pcie slot | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with ALC897 codec | <!--USB-->{{No|USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} | <!--Opinion-->2024 quality might not be great outside of a simple setup - 2 ddr4 dimms - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Keyiyou X99 XD4 | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Machinist MR9A Pro | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2023 |- | <!--Name-->Machinist MR9A Pro | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2023 |- | <!--Name-->Mogul | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Qiyida X99 H9S | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2023 |- | <!--Name-->Soyo | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA 1151 Socket H4 (2015/2018)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->Skylake CPUs have TPM 2.0 embedded |- | <!--Name-->Asus H110 Plus H110M-A/DP | <!--Chipset--> with 6th Gen Core and 7th with bios update | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->Sunrise Point-H SATA [AHCI mode] [8086 a102] | <!--Gfx-->{{No|Skylake Integrated HD Graphics use PIC-E slot}} | <!--Audio-->Intel HD Audio with Realtek ALC887 Audio CODEC | <!--USB-->Sunrise Point-H USB 3.0 xHCI [8086: a12f] no usb2.0 fallback | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8111GR or 8111H RTL8111 8168 8411}} | <!--Opinion-->ATX with 3 pci-e and 2 DDR4 slots - uatx version smaller - turn off TLSF as it was causing AHI driver to corrupt. Turned off ACPI for errors but works fine once booted - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS H110M-R M-ATX | <!--Chipset-->H110 6th Gen Skylake Core™ i7 Core™ 6950X i7-6970HQ i7-6700K 4c8t hyperthreading, i5/Core™ i5-6600K 4c4t i3/Pentium® / Celeron® | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 x SATA 6Gb/s | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek® ALC887 codec | <!--USB-->Intel USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® RTL8111H | <!--Opinion-->2016 64bit - 2 DDR4 DIMMS Max 32GB 2133MHz - 1 full pci-e and 2 pci-e 1 - |- | <!--Name-->Asus H110T | <!--Chipset-->H110 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata | <!--Gfx-->intel igpu only | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Dual Intel/Realtek GbE languard | <!--Opinion-->2016 - mini itx 12v / 19v laptop type rare barrel pin 7.4MM x 5.0MM - 2 sodimm ddr4 slots - no pci-e slot - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H110M-S2H MATX Rev1.0 | <!--Chipset-->H110 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 3.0 | <!--Audio-->Realtek® ALC887 codec | <!--USB-->2 (USB 3.1 Gen 1) ports with 4 us2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® GbE LAN | <!--Opinion--> 2 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte ga-h110n | <!--Chipset-->H110 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes| sata}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2d for Intel or PCI-e slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HDaudio for ALC887 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8169}} | <!--Opinion-->2016 mini-itx 6th gen |- | <!--Name-->Msi H110M-PRO-VH | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 x SATA 6Gb/s | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 3.0 | <!--Audio--> Realtek® ALC887 Codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111h | <!--Opinion--> 6th gen intel - 2 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus H170 Pro Gaming | <!--Chipset-->H170 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->Asmedia USB3.1/3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|intel lan}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI Z170A TOMAHAWK | <!--Chipset-->Z170 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sara, 1 x 2280 Key M(PCIe Gen3 x4/SATA), 1 x 2230 Key E(Wi-Fi) | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|intel lan}} | <!--Opinion-->2016 64bit up to i7 7700k - 2 DDR4 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->GIGABYTE GA-B250M-DS3H HD3P D3H D2V | <!--Chipset-->B250 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2018 coffee lake intel 8th gen |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset--> with Kaby Lake X Intel 7th Gen | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> up to 16 pcie lanes |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset--> Z390 with Kaby Lake X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> up to 16 pcie lanes |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> Q370M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> H370M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> B360M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus Rampage | <!--Chipset-->x299 with i9 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> - up to 24 to 44 pcie lanes |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte | <!--Chipset-->X299 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} =====Socket LGA 1200 (2020/2022)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->MSI H510M-A PRO (MS-7D22) | <!--Chipset--> with 10th gen Comet Lake X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2021 64bit - up to 16 pcie lanes rebar possible |- | <!--Name-->Asus PRIME H410M-E Asrock H470M-HDV/M.2 | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset--> with 11th gen Rocket Lake X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> up to 16 pcie lanes |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} =====Socket LGA 1700 (2023/ )===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Alder Lake / 14th gen Raptor Lake | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2021 2022 64bit - QoS work to 2 level cpus, P down to E cores - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Meteor Lake ultra 5 7 1xxH series 1 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2023 2024 64bit 10nm - 3 level cpus, Low Power Island (SOC tile) to E onto P cores - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> 15th gen Arrow Lake | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Lunar lake ultra 5 7 2xxV series 2 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2025 64bit 7nm - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Nova Lake | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2026 64bit - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Panther Lake | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2026 64bit - either 44, 484, or 448 tiled cores 18A process - core ultra x9 288h, x7 358H, - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA 1954 (2027/ )===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Nova Lake-S | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Serpent Lake, Titan Lake, and Razer Lake | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2027 |- |} =====Socket LGA (203x/203x)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->MSI | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} ===Chromebooks=== For most (EOL) cromebooks, the recommended UEFI path forward is to: *put the device into Developer Mode *disable firmware write protection *flash MrChromebox's UEFI Full ROM firmware *install ChromeOS Flex, Linux, etc See [https://mrchromebox.tech/#home MrChrome], [https://mrchromebox.tech MrChrome] and the [https://www.reddit.com/r/chrultrabook/ chrultrabook subreddit] for more info ChromeOS has several different boot modes, which are important to understand in the context of modifying your device to run an alternate OS: *Normal/Verified Boot Mode Can only boot Google-signed ChromeOS images Full verification of firmware and OS kernel No root access to the system, no ability to run Linux or boot other OSes Automatically enters Recovery Mode if any step of Verified Boot fails Default / out-of-the-box setting for all ChromeOS devices *Recovery Mode User presented with Recovery Mode boot screen (white screen with 'ChromeOS is missing or damaged') Boots only USB/SD with signed Google recovery image Automatically entered when Verified Boot Mode fails Can be manually invoked: On Chromebooks, via keystroke: [ESC+Refresh+Power] On Chromeboxes, by pressing a physical recovery button at power-on On Convertibles/Tablets, by holding the Power, Vol+, and Vol- buttons for 10s and then release Allows for transition from Verified Boot Mode to Developer Mode On Chromebooks/Chromeboxes, via keystroke: [CTRL+D] On Convertibles/Tablets, via button press: Vol+/Vol- simultaneously Booting recovery media on USB/SD will repartition/reformat internal storage and reload ChromeOS Note: The ChromeOS recovery process does not reset the firmware boot flags (GBB Flags), so if those are changed from the default, they will still need to be reset for factory default post-recovery. *Developer Mode "Jailbreak" mode built-in to every ChromeOS device Loosened security restrictions, allows root/shell access, ability to run Linux via crouton Verified Boot (signature checking) disabled by default, but can be re-enabled Enabled via [CTRL+D] on the Recovery Mode boot screen Boots to the developer mode boot screen (white screen with 'OS verification is off' text), The user can select via keystroke <pre> ChromeOS (in developer mode) on internal storage ( [CTRL+D] ) ChromeOS/ChromiumOS on USB ( [CTRL+U] ) Legacy Boot Mode ( [CTRL+L] ) </pre> Boot screen displays the ChromeOS device/board name in the hardware ID string (eg, PANTHER F5U-C92, which is useful to know in the context of device recovery, firmware support, or in determining what steps are required to install a given alternate OS on the device. *Legacy Boot Mode Unsupported method for booting alternate OSes (Linux, Windows) via the SeaBIOS RW_LEGACY firmware Accessed via [CTRL+L] on the developer mode boot screen Requires explicit enabling in Developer Mode via command line: sudo crossystem dev_boot_legacy=1 Most ChromeOS devices require a RW_LEGACY firmware update first Boots to the (black) SeaBIOS splash screen; if multiple boot devices are available, prompt shows the boot menu Note: If you hear two beeps after pressing [CTRL+L], then either your device doesn't have a valid Legacy Boot Mode / RW_LEGACY firmware installed, or legacy boot capability has not been been enabled via crossystem. https://www.howtogeek.com/278953/how-to-install-windows-on-a-chromebook/ Chromebooks don’t officially support other OSs. You normally can’t even install as Chromebooks ship with a special type of BIOS designed for Chrome OS. But there are ways to install, if you’re willing to get your hands dirty and potentially ruin everything [https://mrchromebox.tech/#devices Firmware Compatibility] [https://wiki.galliumos.org/Hardware_Compatibility Here is the list of hardware that the GalliumOS supports and information on getting Gallium OS on to those devices] Development on GalliumOS has been discontinued, and for most users, GalliumOS is not the best option for running Linux due to lack of hardware support or a kernel that's out of date and lacking important security fixes. Meet Eupnea and Depthboot, the successors to Galliumos and Breath [https://eupnea-linux.github.io This is the bleeding edge] Most older Chromebooks need the write-protect screw removed in order to install MrChromebox's firmware that allows you to install other operating systems. Most newer Chromebooks don't work in the same way as there is no write-protect screw on them. Very rough guide to '''total''' (i.e. all cores / threads) processor performance (AROS usually uses only the [https://gmplib.org/gmpbench one core]) [[#top|...to the top]] <pre> 060000 AMD Ryzen 9 7900X (AM5 170W), 056000 AMD Ryzen 9 5950X, 055000 AMD Ryzen 9 5900X3D, 053000 AMD Ryzen 9 5900X (AM4 105W), AMD Ryzen 9 3950X (105W), 044000 AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D, 042000 AMD Ryzen 9 6900HX, AMD Ryzen 5 5600X3D (AM4 95W), AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 5750GE (AM4 35W), 039000 AMD Ryzen 9 5900HS, Intel Core i7-12700T, AMD Ryzen 7 7735HS (8c16t 45W), AMD 8840U, 038000 AMD Ryzen 7 5800H (FP6 45W), AMD Ryzen 7 6800U, Intel Core i5-12490F, Intel Core i5-12500E, 037000 AMD Ryzen 7 5800HS (FP6 35W), AMD Ryzen 5 8500G 8600GE (AM5 6c12t 35W), AMD Ryzen Z2 (8c16t), 036500 AMD Ryzen 7 5700G (AM4 8c16t 65W), AMD Ryzen 9 6900HS, Intel Core i7-12800H, 036200 AMD Ryzen 7 5700GE (AM4 8c16t 35W), AMD Ryzen Z1 Extreme (top TDP), AMD Ryzen 5 8600G (AM5 65W), 036000 AMD Ryzen 5 3600X (Am4 95W), AMD Ryzen 5 5500 (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 5 5600 (65W), 035000 AMD Ryzen 5 6600H, Intel Core i5-12400F, 031000 AMD Ryzen™ 9 8945HS, Ryzen™ 7 8845HS, AMD Ryzen 7 7840U, 030000 AMD Ryzen 7 4800U, AMD Ryzen 4800H, Intel Core i5-11400F, Intel Zeon E5-2697A V4, 029500 AMD Ryzen 5 4500 (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 5 3600 (65W), Apple M3 Pro 12c, AMD Ryzen 5 5600G, 028500 AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 5675U, AMD Ryzen 7 1700 (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 7 2700 (65W), Ryzen 3 7540U, 028000 AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 5650U, 5 5560U (FP6 25W 6c12t Zen3), Intel Core i5-13500H, AMD Ryzen 7 4800HS, 027700 AMD Ryzen 9 PRO 7940HS (FP8 65W), AMD 8745HS, AMD Ryzen H255 AI, AMD Ryzen 3 7545U, 027500 AMD Ryzen 3 7736U, AMD Ryzen 5 7640U, 027400 AMD Ryzen 5 8540U, AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 5650GE (AM4 6c12t 35W), AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 4650G (AM4 45W), 027300 AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 4750GE, AMD Ryzen 5 5600H, AMD Ryzen 7 5825U (FP6 8c16t 15W), 027200 AMD Ryzen 5 6600U, AMD Ryzen 7 2700X, AMD Ryzen 5 5600GE (AM4 35W), AMD Ryzen Z1, 027100 AMD Ryzen 7 7730U (FP6 15W 8c16t), AMD Ryzen 7 5800U (FP6 25W 8c16t), Ryzen 9 4900H, 027000 AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 4750U (8c16t), Ryzen 5 7430U (FP6 6c12t), Ryzen 5 PRO 6650U, Intel 10500H, 026500 AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 7840HS (FP7 65W), AMD Ryzen 7 8840HS, AMD Ryzen Z2 Extreme, 025000 AMD Ryzen 5 4600HS (FP6 35W 6c12t), Apple M1 Pro, AMD Ryzen 5 5625U (FP6 15W 6c12t), 024500 AMD Ryzen 5 5600U (FP6 25W hot 6c12t Zen3), AMD Ryzen 5 2600 (65W), Ryzen 5 7530U, 024000 AMD Ryzen 5 4600G (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 4650GE (AM4 35W), AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 1700X (AM4 95W), 023700 AMD Ryzen 3 PRO 5350GE (AM4 35W), AMD Ryzen 5 3500X (AM4 95W), Intel Core i7-9700, 023500 AMD Ryzen 5 1600X (95W), AMD Ryzen 3 5300GE (AM4 4c8t 35W), AMD Ryzen 7 5700U (FP6 25W 8c16t Zen2), 023200 AMD Ryzen 3 7330U (FP6 15W 4c8t), AMD Ryzen 7 4700U (FP6 25W 8c8t), AMD Ryzen 5 4400G, 023000 Intel Core i7-1255U, Intel Core i7 13700H, Ryzen 7640HS, 022000 AMD Ryzen Z2 Go (4c8t), AMD Ryzen 5 5500U (FP6 25W 6c12t Zen2), Snapdragon 8 Elite, 020500 AMD Ryzen 3 4300G (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 3 5450U 5425U, AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 4650U (6c12t), 019500 Intel Core i5-1135G7, AMD Ryzen 5 5500H, AMD Ryzen 5 4600U (FP6 25W 6c), AMD Ryzen 5 2600 (65W), 019250 Intel Core i5-1145G7, 019000 AMD Ryzen 5 3400G (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 5 2500X, AMD Ryzen 5 7520U, AMD Ryzen V3C18I (? 15W), 017750 AMD Ryzen 5 3400GE (AM4 35W), Intel Core i5-8400, AMD Ryzen 5 1500X (AM4 65W), Xbox One Series X, 017500 Intel Core i7-6700K, Intel i5-10400, AMD Ryzen 5 4500U (FP6 25W 6c6t), AMD Ryzen 3 5400U, 017000 AMD Ryzen 3 PRO 4350GE (AM4 35W), AMD Ryzen 3 5300U (FP6 25W 4c8t), Intel Core i5-11300H, 016500 AMD Ryzen 7 3750H, AMD Ryzen Embedded V1756B (FP5 45W), AMD Ryzen 3 PRO 4200GE, SD G3 Gen3, 016250 Intel Core i5-1035G7, intel core i5 7600 (4c4t 65W), 016000 AMD Ryzen 5 2400G (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 5 3550H, Ryzen 5 PRO 3350GE (4c 8t), Intel Core i5-8500T, 015500 AMD Ryzen Embedded R2544, Apple A19 Pro, Intel i7-4790K, 015000 AMD Ryzen 3 7320U, Ryzen 7 3700U, Ryzen 3200G (AM4 65W), Intel Core i7-8550U, Intel Core i5-1035G1, 014000 AMD Ryzen 5 2400GE (AM4 35W), Intel Core i7-6700T, AMD Ryzen 5 3550U, 013500 AMD Ryzen 5 3500U (FP5 15W 4c8t), AMD Ryzen 3 4300U, AMD Athlon Gold 4150GE, AMD Ryzen 5 3450U, 013250 AMD Ryzen 3 3200GE (AM4 45W), AMD Ryzen 3 1300X (65W), AMD Ryzen 3 2200G, Xbox One Series S, 013000 AMD Ryzen Embedded V1605B (FP5 25W), AMD Ryzen 2700U, AMD Ryzen R2514, Apple A18, 012500 AMD Ryzen 5 2500U (FP5 25W 4c8t), Intel Core i3-8300T, Intel Xeon X5680, Intel i3-1115G4 (2c4t), 012300 Intel Core i7-8565U, Intel Core i5-8350U, Intel Core i7-8700, Allwinner A733 (2 A76, 6 A55), 012200 ARM Cortex-X3 Prime Snapdragon SD8G2 Gen2 4nm 64-bit Kryo CPU, i5-8250U (4c8t), 012000 AMD Ryzen 3 2200GE, AMD Ryzen 3 1200 (65W), AMD Ryzen 5 3500C, 011500 AMD Ryzen 3 3300U, Intel Core i3-8100T, Intel Core i5-8265U, Intel i5-10210U, CORE i5-10310U, 010500 AMD Ryzen 3 2300U (FP5 25W 4c4t), Allwinner A527 (8 A55), Intel i5 4690K, 010300 Intel Core i7-3630QM, Intel Core i5-6600T, Intel Core i5-4670K, 010200 Intel Core i5-6440HQ, Intel Core i7-3610QM, Snapdragon SD865, 010000 AMD FX-8320E (AM3+ 125W 8c8t), Intel Core i5-7500T, Intel Core i5-4690, Intel i5 4690T, 009000 Spectrum Unisoc Tiger T7280 (T620), Cortex-X2, MediaTek Dimensity 1300 (4 A78, 4 A55), 008700 AMD FX-6130 (AM3+ 90W 6c6t), Intel Core i5-7400T, Intel Core i5-4590T, 008500 Intel Core i5-6500T, AMD Athlon 300GE (AM4, 35W), AMD Athlon Gold 7220U, 008000 AMD Ryzen R1606G (FP5 15W), AMD FX-6300 (AM3 65W 6c6t), Intel Core i5-2500K, 007500 AMD Ryzen 3 3200U, AMD Ryzen 3 3250U, Intel Alderlake ULX N100 / N95, 007200 AMD Ryzen 3 2200U (FP5 25W 2c4t), Intel Core i3-7100T, Intel Twinlakes N150 N200, Xbox(TM) One S, 007100 AMD Ryzen R1505G (FP5, 15W), RK3576 4 A72, 4 A53, Snapdragon XR2 Gen 1, Intel i7-6600U and 7600U, 006600 Qualcomm Snapdragon 888 5G, AMD Athlon 300U (FP5 2c4t 15W), Intel Core i7-7500U, AMD V1202B, 006500 Intel Core i7-6500U, AMD Athlon Gold 3150U, Intel Celeron N5105 (FCBGA1338 15W), SD 685, 006300 Intel Core i3-8130U (15W), Intel Celeron N5095 (FCBGA1338 15W), Intel Core i3-6100T, 006100 Intel Core i5-6300U, Intel Core i5-7200U (2c4t), Intel i7-5500U, Intel Core i7-6600U (2c4t), 006000 Intel Core i5-6200U (2c4t), Intel Core i3-7130U, Intel i7-4500U, Qualcomm Snapdragon 888 4G, 005950 Intel Core i5-4570T, Intel Core i5-5257U, Rockchip RK3588 (4 A76, 4 A55), Snapdragon 7325, 005900 Intel Xeon X5550, Intel Core i5-4300M, MediaTek Dimensity 1200 (4 A78, 4 A55), Unisoc 7255 (T616), 005800 Intel Celeron J4125 J4105 (FCBGA1090 15W), Intel Core i5-3470T, AMD A8-6600K APU, AMD 3015E (2c4t), 005600 Intel Core i5-3360M, Intel Core i7-3520M, Intel Core i5-4210M, Intel Pentium G4600T, 005400 MediaTek Dimensity 900 (2 A78, 6 A55), AMD Athlon Silver 7120U, Snapdragon 860, 005300 AMD PRO A12-9800B 7th Gen APU (FP4 15W), AMD FX-4300 4c4t, AMD Ryzen R1305G, 005250 Intel Core i5-3230M, AMD FX-7600P, Intel Pentium G4400, Unisoc T7200 (Unisoc T606 2 A76, 6 A55), 005200 AMD PRO A10-8770E, AMD A10-9700E, AMD PRO A10-9700B (FP4 15W), Intel Core i3-4130T, 005100 AMD RX-427BB (FP3 15W), AMD A10-9620P, AMD A12-9720P, Intel Core i3-8145U, AMD A12-9830B, 005050 AMD A8-5500 (FM2 65W), AMD A10 PRO-7800B APU, Intel Pentium Silver N5000, Intel Core i7-5500U, 005000 Intel Core i5-5300U, Intel Core i5-3320M (2c4t), Intel Core i5-5350U, Unisoc T618 (2 A73 6 A53), 004900 Intel Core i5-4300U, Intel Core i5-5200U, Intel Core i3-4100M, Snapdragon 662 (SM6115), 004860 Intel Core i7-2620M, Intel Core i7-2640M, AMD Athlon Silver 3050U 3050e, Intel i3-7020U, 004650 Intel Core i5-2520M (2c4t), Intel Core i5-3210M, AMD A10-9600P (FP4 4c 15W), Pentium 4415U, 004625 Intel Core i3-7100U (FCBGA1356 15W), ARM A76 RK3588S, AMD A10-6800B APU, 004600 AMD PRO A8-9600B, AMD PRO A12-8830B, AMD PRO A10-8730B, AMD A12-9700P, Intel Core i3-6100U, 004200 AMD A10-8700P A8-8600P, Intel Core i5-4200U, Intel Core i5-2540M, Intel i3-6006U, Intel i3-4150T, 004000 Intel Core i5-2430M, AMD PRO A8-8600B, AMD 3020e, Mediatek MT6797 Helio X20, 003850 Intel Core i5-2410M (2c4t), Intel Core i3-2120 (LGA1155 65W), Mediatek MT8786, 003800 AMD A10-4600M APU, AMD A10 PRO-7350B APU, AMD A10-5750M APU, Rockchip RK3399, 003600 AMD A8-6500T APU, AMD A8-7410 APU, AMD PRO A6-8550B, AMD A8-5550M (4c4t), 003500 AMD GX-424CC SOC (FT3b 25W 4c4t), ARM A75 Unisoc Tiger T610 (Spreadtrum) (8c 5W), intel i5-5250u, 003400 AMD A10-7300 APU, AMD A6-7310 APU, AMD A8-6410, AMD A10-5745M APU, Intel Core i3-4000M, 003350 Intel Pentium G2020, Intel Core i3-3120M (G2 2c4t), AMD R-464L APU, Intel® Core m5-6Y57 (2c4t), 003300 AMD GX-420CA SOC (FT3 BGA769 25W), AMD A6-9500E, Intel Celeron N4200, AMD A6-5200 ( 25W 2c2t), 003200 AMD A6-6310 APU, AMD A6-6400B APU, AMD A6-8570E, AMD A8-4500M APU, AMD A6-7400K APU, 003000 AMD A8-7150B, AMD A9-9410, A9-9420, A9-9425, AMD A6-8500B (FP4 15W), AMD A8-7100, Intel 5010u, 002900 AMD PRO A6-8530B, AMD A6-8500P, AMD A8-3500M APU, Intel Core i3-2120T, Intel i5-4250u, 002700 AMD Embedded GX-420GI (FP4 15W), AMD PRO A6-9500B, AMD GX-415GA, AMD A4-6210 APU, Intel i3-5005U, 002600 AMD A6-9225, AMD A8-4555M APU, AMD A4-5000 APU (FT3 15W), AMD A6-9220, AMD A6-3420M APU, 002450 Intel Celeron 2950M, Intel Pentium N3700, Intel Core i3-2350M, Allwinner A523 (8 A55), BCM2711 Pi4, 002400 Intel Celeron N3150, Intel Core i3-2330M, Intel Xeon W3505, AMD A6-9210, Allwinner H618 (4 A53), 002300 Intel Celeron N3350, AMD A4-9120, AMD A4-9125, Intel Core i3-2310M, Intel Celeron 3865U, 002200 AMD A9-9420e, AMD A6-5350M APU, AMD E2-6110 APU, AMD E2-9000e, Celeron N4500, Intel N3710, 002000 AMD GX-412HC, AMD A4-4300M APU, AMD A6 PRO-7050B APU, AMD A6-4400M APU, AMD A6-7000, 001925 Intel Core2 Duo E6700, Intel Pentium Extreme Edition 965, Intel Core i3-370M, Celeron N4020, 001750 Intel Core i3-2365M 2375M, AMD A4-9120C, Intel Core2 Duo T8300, Qualcomm MSM8939, 001600 AMD GX-222GC (BGA769 FT3b 15W), AMD A4-9120e, AMD Embedded GX-215JJ, AMD A4-4355M APU, 001550 Intel Core2 Duo SL9400 T7600 T6600, AMD E2-3200, AMD A6-9220e, Mediatek MT8783, AMD E2-3800, 001520 Intel Celeron N4000, 001500 AMD GX-218GL SOC, AMD A6-4455M, AMD A4-5150M APU, ARM A55 RK3566 (4c 3W), Intel Core2 Duo T8100, 001400 AMD GX-217GA SOC, ARM Cortex-A53 4c4t H700, AMD A4-3300M APU, Allwinner A133P A64 (4 A53), 001300 AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-64 TL-62, Intel Core2 Duo T7300, Intel Core2 Duo T5600, AMD RX-216TD, 001250 AMD GX-412TC SOC, AMD A4-3320M APU, AMD Athlon 64 X2 QL-66, Intel Core2 Duo T7200, BCM2837 Pi3, 001200 AMD Athlon 64 X2 2c TK-57, AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-60 RM-74, AMD E1-2500, AMD E2-7015, 001150 Intel Core2 Duo T5550, Intel Core2 Duo L7500, AMD E2-3000M APU, ARM A35 RK3266, AMD E2-7110, 001100 Intel Core2 Duo T5300, AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800, Intel Core2 Duo E4300, Mediatek MT8127, 001050 AMD E1-6010 APU, Intel Pentium T4300, Intel Celeron N2840, 001050 AMD Athlon 64 FX-57, AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual-Core TK-55, AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-52 001000 Intel Core2 Duo T5500, Intel Core2 Duo L7300, Intel Core2 Duo SU9400, Intel Celeron 3215U, 000950 AMD G-T56N, AMD Athlon 64 3100+, AMD E2-2000 APU, QorIQ T1042 quad-core, 000950 AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-50, AMD E1-2200 APU, Intel Celeron U3400, 000925 AMD TurionX2 Dual Core Mobile RM-72, AMD Sempron 140 000920 Intel Celeron SU2300, Intel Core2 Duo T5200, AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-56 000890 AMD E2-1800 APU, AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-58 000880 AMD G-T56E, AMD G-T48E, 000860 AMD E-450 APU, AMD E-350 APU, AMD Athlon LE-1620 000820 AMD A4-1250 APU, AMD Athlon LE-1600, 000810 AMD E1-2100 APU, Intel Core Duo T2500, 000810 Intel Atom D510, Intel Core2 Duo U7500, 000800 AMD Geode NX 2400+, AMD Turion 64 Mobile ML-42, AMD Athlon II Neo K325, 000760 AMD V140, AMD E1-1200 APU, AMD Athlon 64 3300+, 000730 Intel Core Duo T2400, AMD Turion 64 Mobile MK-38, AMD Sempron 3600+, 000700 Intel Core2 Duo U7600 U7700, AMD Sempron LE-1200, AMD V120 000680 AMD GX-212JC SOC, AMD E-300 APU, AMD A4-1200 APU, BCM2386, 000670 AMD Turion 64 Mobile MK-36 ML-37 ML-40, Mobile AMD Sempron 3800+ 000640 Intel Atom N2600, Intel Atom N570, Mobile AMD Athlon 64 3200+ 000640 Intel Core Duo T2300, Intel Core Duo T2050, 000630 VIA Eden X2 U4200, AMD Sempron LE-1100, AMD Sempron 3100+ 3600+, 000620 AMD C-70 C70 APU, Intel Atom 330, AMD G-T40N, AMD Athlon Neo MV-40, 000610 Intel Core2 Duo U7300, AMD Athlon II Neo K125 K145, 000600 Intel Atom N550, Intel Pentium 4, AMD Athlon 64 2800+, 000580 AMD C-60 C60, AMD G-T40E, AMD Sempron LE-1250 000530 AMD C-50 C50, Intel Celeron M 723, AMD Sempron 210U, 000490 AMD GX-210JA SOC, PowerPC 970 G5 IBM's 970 server CPU (2c), QorIQ T1022 000470 Mobile AMD Sempron 3500+, Mobile AMD Athlon XP-M 2200+, 000460 AMD Athlon XP 2500+, AMD Sempron 3500+, Mobile Intel Pentium 4, 000440 Intel Atom D425, Intel Atom N470, POWER 4 PPC, 000410 Intel Pentium M, Intel Celeron M, AMD Sempron 2300+ 000400 Intel Atom N450, AMD Sempron 2400+, 000340 Intel Atom D410, AMD G-T52R, AMD C-30, AMD Sempron 2200+ 000330 Intel Atom N455, Intel Atom N280, Intel Atom N270 (1c1t 2W), Intel P3, 000320 Freescale NXP QorIQ P1022 000310 PowerPC G4 7447 1Ghz (1c1t 15W), PPC440 core, 000230 PowerPC PPC G3/PPC 750, 000160 Pentium II, Motorola 68060 000080 Intel 80486, Motorola 68030, 000040 Intel 80386, 000030 Motorola 68020 000008 Motorola 68000 </pre> === Recommended hardware (32-bit) === [[#top|...to the top]] Recommended hardware is hardware that has been tested with latest release of AROS and is relatively easy to purchase second hand (ie. ebay). This hardware also comes with commitment that compatibility will be maintained with each future release. If in future decision will be made to drop any of the recommended hardware from the list (for example due to it no longer being available for purchase), such hardware will move to list of legacy supported systems and will have an indicated end of life date so that users have time to switch to other hardware. {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" | <!--OK-->{{Yes|'''Works well'''}} || <!--Not working-->{{No|'''Does not work'''}} || <!--Not applicable-->{{N/A|'''N/A not applicable'''}} |- |} ==== Virtual Hardware ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | VirtualBox 7.x (Other/Unknown template) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VMWARESVGA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}} || {{Yes|PCNET32<br/>E1000}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || <!--Comments--> |- | VMware 16+ (Other32 template) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VMWARESVGA}} || {{Yes|SB128}} || {{Yes|PCNET32}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || <!--Comments--> |- | QEMU 8.x ("pc" and "q35" machines) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|SB128}} || {{Yes|PCNET32}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || <!--Comments--> |- |} ==== Laptops ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | ACER Aspire One ZG5 || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(IDE)}} || {{Yes|GMA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}} || {{Yes|RTL8169}} || {{Yes|ATHEROS}} || NOT APPLICABLE || <!--Comments--> |- | Dell Latitude D520 || {{Yes|IDE}} || {{Yes|GMA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}} || {{Yes|BCM4400}} || {{No|}} || {{Yes|Atheros AR5BXB63}} || * select Intel Core 2 64-bit version, not Celeron 32-bit version <br/> * replace WiFi card to get wireless working |- |} ==== Desktop Systems ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | Fujitsu Futro S720 || {{Yes|SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}} || {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || * no 2D/3D acceleration<br/> * use USB ports at back |- |} ==== Motherboards ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | ASUS P8Z68V LX || {{Yes|SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|GeForce 8xxx/9xxx}} || * add external PCIe video card for better performance |- | Gigabyte GA-MA770T UD3/UD3P || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|GeForce 8xxx/9xxx}} || * requires external PCIe video card |- | ASUS M2N68-AM SE2 || {{Yes|IDE}} || {{Yes|NVIDIA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|NVNET}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|GeForce 8xxx/9xxx}} || * connecting a disk via SATA connector is not supported at this time <br/> * add external PCIe video card for better performance |- | Gigabyte GA-H55M-S2H || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|GeForce 8xxx/9xxx}} || * add external PCIe video card for better performance |- |} ==== Legacy supported hardware ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="10%" |EOL ! width="35%" |Comments |- | iMica || {{Yes|IDE}} || {{Yes|GMA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || 2026-12-31 || |- | Gigabyte GA-MA770 UD3 || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(IDE)}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|GeForce 8xxx/9xxx}} || 2026-12-31 || * requires external PCIe video card |- |} === Recommended hardware (64-bit) === [[#top|...to the top]] Recommended hardware is hardware that has been tested with latest release of AROS and is relatively easy to purchase second hand (ie. ebay). This hardware also comes with commitment that compatibility will be maintained with each future release. ==== Virtual Hardware ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | VirtualBox 7.x (Other/Unknown (64-bit) template) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VMWARESVGA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}} || {{Yes|PCNET32<br/>E1000}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || * No accelerated 3D support |- | VMware 16+ (Other64 template) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VMWARESVGA}} || {{Yes|SB128}} || {{Yes|E1000}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || * No accelerated 3D support |- | QEMU 8.x ("pc" and "q35" machines) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VMWARESVGA}} || {{Yes|SB128}} || {{Yes|PCNET32}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || * No accelerated 3D support |- |} ==== Motherboards ==== AROS 64-bit will work on most of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGA_1155 LGA 1155] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGA_1150 LGA 1150] boards. It will also work with newer hardware - see complete HCL list above. Boards below are '''certified'''. If you can't get the exact board, try a variant of that board with the same chipset. {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | ASUS P8Z68V LX<br>ASUS P8Z68-M PRO || {{Yes|SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|GeForce GTX 7xx/9xx}} || * add external PCIe video card for better performance |- | ASUS H81M-K || {{Yes|SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} |NOT APPLICABLE|| {{Yes|GeForce GTX 7xx/9xx}} |* add external PCIe video card for better performance |- | Gigabyte GA-H81M-S2V || {{Yes|SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} |NOT APPLICABLE|| {{Yes|GeForce GTX 7xx/9xx}} |* add external PCIe video card for better performance |} ==References== [[#top|...to the top]] {{reflist}} {{BookCat}} lhdpj4r5ifmxx5d3ieglxuy7qw41be0 4671605 4671604 2026-09-21T13:55:43Z Jeff1138 301139 4671605 wikitext text/x-wiki {{ArosNav}} ==Introduction== This a list of computer hardware tested with mostly native AROS installs and, in the recommended sections, of virtual machines With 64bit support it is recommended 8Gb ram is needed and that SSE 4.1 and AVX are supported in the CPU i.e. from year 2012 for Intel CPUs and 2013 for AMD CPUs. They are x86-64 instruction sets designed to perform the same operations on multiple data items simultaneously, a technique known as Single Instruction, Multiple Data (SIMD). This allows for increased performance in tasks involving parallel computation. SSE 4.1 is a 128-bit SIMD instruction set, while AVX introduced 256-bit SIMD, further enhancing performance. Some apps require these features to run well, like 3D, multimedia decoding or JIT (javascript) in Odyssey web browser. If not the apps may work slower or might fail. If you have encountered differently (i.e. problems, incompatibilities, faults, annoyances, environment, errors, review of setup etc) please update this information. Please bear in mind that AROS has only a few hardware driver developers, whilst Linux counts in the tens and Windows in the hundreds. [[#Laptops]] [[#Netbook]] [[#Desktop Systems]] [[#AMD Sockets]] [[#Intel Sockets]] [[#Recommended hardware (32-bit)]] [[#Recommended hardware (64-bit)]] === Laptops === [[#top|...to the top]] * 2006/2007 Dell Latitude D-series laptops - business class machines, good support in Aros, easy to replace wifi card * 2006 some [https://www.techradar.com/reviews/pc-mac/laptops-portable-pcs/laptops-and-netbooks/toshiba-satellite-pro-a200-28550/review Satellite Pro A200] * 2008 For the tiny carry anywhere, the early run of Acer Aspire netbooks Rough estimate from taking a random laptop notebook what you can expect from a Native install of AROS {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Date ! width="5%" |Overall ! width="5%" |Gfx VESA ! width="5%" |Gfx 2D Acceleration ! width="10%" |Gfx 3D Acceleration ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="20%" |Comments |- | Before 2002 || Poor to OK || VESA 90% || 2D 10% || {{N/A}} || Audio 10% || 40% || Wired 70% || 2% || Max RAM 512MB |- | 2002-2005 || OK || VESA 95% || 2D 10% || 3D 0% || Audio 30% || 70% || Wired 50% || 10% || Max RAM 2GB (for 32bit) |- | 2005-2012 || Good || VESA 98% || 2D 60% || 3D 30% || Audio 40% || 80% || Wired 30% || 10% || Max RAM 3Gb (32bit) to 8GB (64bit) |- | 2013-2017 || OK || VESA 98% || 2D 60% || 3D 30% || Audio 30% || 60% || Wired 30% Realtek || 0% || Max RAM 8GB / 16GB better to go Intel / AMD Ryzen over AMD A series |- | 2018-2024 || OK || VESA 98% || 2D 30% || 3D 30% || Audio 40% || 50% || Wired 30% Realtek || 0% || Max RAM 32GB better 64bit options |- | 2025-202x || Poor || VESA 95% || 2D 10% || 3D 10% || Audio 0% || 30% || Wired 10% || 0% || Max RAM 64GB AI disruption of previous hardware |- |} 3D tests now conducted with apps found in Demos/AROS/Mesa and run at default size (may need to View As -> Show All to see them. Any laptop with Windows 7(TM) 64bit or higher install, the bios and hard drive set in uefi/gpt mode (install of AROS incompatible) Most vendor suppliers get OEM (original equipment manufacturers) to make their laptops. These brand name companies purchase their laptops from *80% ODM (Original Design Manufacturer) such as Quanta, Compal, Wistron, Inventec, Foxconn (Hon Hai), Flextronics and Asus (now Pegatron) *20% MiTAC, FIC, Arima, Uniwill, ECS, Tonfang Origin and Clevo {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" | <!--OK-->{{Yes|'''Works well'''}} || <!--May work-->{{Maybe|'''Works a little'''}} || <!--Not working-->{{No|'''Does not work'''}} || <!--Not applicable-->{{N/A|'''N/A not applicable'''}} |- |} ====Acer/Gateway/Emachines==== Company founded under the name of Multitech in Taiwan in 1976, renamed to Acer or Acer Group in 1987 Order of build quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > Packard Bell Aspire Extensa TimeLine Travelmate </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="2%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Travelmate 505 506 507 508 Series || <!--Chipset-->P2 Celeron 466Mhz || <!--IDE-->{{Yes|boots}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Neo Magic Magic Graph 128XD (NM2160)}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 Crystal CS}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1998 minimal support but no audio etc - 506T, 506DX, 507T, 507DX, 508T |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 340 342 343 345 347 || <!--Chipset-->ALi M1621 with piii || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Trident Cyber 9525 || <!--Audio-->{{No|ESS ES1969 Solo-1}} || <!--USB-->2 ALi OHCI USB 1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->a few have Intel e100 || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2000 32bit - 340T, 341T, 342T, 342TV, 343TV, 345T, 347TV |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 350 351 352 353 || <!--Chipset-->Ali with piii || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->Trident Cyber Blade DSTN/Ai1 || <!--Audio-->{{No|ali5451}} || <!--USB-->2 USB 1.1 Ali M5237 OHCI || <!--Ethernet-->e100 || <!--Wireless-->Acer InviLink IEEE 802.11b || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2001 32bit very limited support but no support for PCMCIA O2 Micro OZ6933 - 350T, 351TEV, 352TEV, 353TEV |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 610 series 611 612 613 614 || <!--Chipset-->815 P3 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->Intel 82815 cgc || <!--Audio-->AC97 || <!--USB-->USB 1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->Intel e100 pro || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2001 32bit - 610TXVi 610T 611TXV 612TX 613TXC |- | Aspire 3003LM || SIS AMD 3000 1.8GHz || {{yes}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SIS AGP M760GX (VESA only)}} || {{yes|AC97 SIS codec}} || 3 USB 2.0 || {{yes|SIS900}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4318 AirForce One 54g}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2003 sempron |- | Travelmate 2310 Series ZL6 || Intel Celeron M 360 1.4GHz with SiS 661MX || {{yes}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SiS Mirage M661MX (VESA only)}} || {{yes|SIS SI7012 AC97 with realtek ALC203 codec speakers only}} || || {{yes|SIS900}} || {{N/A|LM version has pci card slot but no antenna}} || 2017 Icaros 2.1.1 || 2004 32bit - No USB boot option but boot from DVD - reports of wifi losing connection (isolate/remove the metallic grounding foil ends of the antennas) - 2312LM_L - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 3000 3002LMi 3500 5000 || <!--Chipset-->AMD CPU W-with SIS M760 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->SIS 760 || <!--Audio-->SIS || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->SIS 900 || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4318 swap for Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 3050 5020 5050 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Single and Turion MK-36 Dual and RS480 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA - RS482M Xpress 1100 or RS485M Xpress 1150 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio Realtek ALC883 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->8139 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5006G or Broadcom BCM 4318 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit MK36 gets very hot |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 2410 2420 2430 series || <!--Chipset-->915GM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel Mobile 915GMS 910GML || <!--Audio-->Intel AC97 ICH6 with ALC203 codec || <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL-8139 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5005GS || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 2428AWXMi - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire 3610 - WISTRON MORAR 3614WLMI || <!--Chipset-->Intel 915 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 2D and 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|[http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=644066&postcount=13 AC97]}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL 8139 8139C+}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Atheros AR5001X+, AR5BMB5 or Broadcom 4318}} || <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.2.4 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit with good support [http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6205188#post6205188 wifi issues] |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 2480 series 2483 WXMi (HannStar J MV4 94V) 2483NWXCi Aspire 3680, 3690 || <!--Chipset-->940GML i943 with Celeron 430 1.77GHz - 14.1" || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D and 3D openGL 1.x - Tunnel 181 gearbox 104 scores}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with ALC883 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|3 USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8038 yukon sky2}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros 5k AR5005G AR5BMB5 mini pci}} suspect laptop hardware issues || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2006 Works well shame about the internet options - noisy fan - poor battery life - no boot option for TI based mass storage sd card - Max 2GB memory - LCD Inverter Board IV12090/T-LF - |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 2490 series 2492WXMi || <!--Chipset-->940GML || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel 945 2D and 3D tunnel 164 gearbox 105}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom BCM4401}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros AR5005GS suspect hardware issue}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit - 15inch screen - strange curved up at ends keyboard style - overall plastic construction - Atheros AR5005G(s) - |- | <!--Name-->Gateway ML6227B MA7 || <!--Chipset-->Celeron M 520 1.6Ghz with 945GM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|945GM 2D and 3D tunnel 169 gearbox 132}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDA Intel with STAC9250 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8038}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|8187L but swap ath5k mini pcie}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2006 15.4 ultrabrite widescreen - Wifi Switch on side Fn/F2 - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire 5630-6796 6288 BL50 || <!--Chipset-->T5200 T5500 Intel® Core™2 Duo T7200 T7400 T7600 || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel® GMA 950 with S-Video out with 2D and 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio with ALC883? codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|4 USB}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Broadcom BCM4401}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945abg swap for Atheros 5K}} || <!--Test Distro-->Tiny AROS || <!--Comments-->2006 - 64bit 39.1 cm (15.4" 1280 x 800) - 2 DDR2-SDRAM slots max 4GB - green mobo?? - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire 5633WMLI BL51 || <!--Chipset-->T5500 with Intel® 945PM/GM Express || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Nvidia Go 7300 with 2D and 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with Realtek codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Broadcom 440x}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 swap for Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->Tiny Aros || <!--Comments-->2007 64 bit dual core2 - 15.4 WXGA screen - ddr2 max 4gb - OrbiCam no support - ENE chipset SD card - blue mobo?? - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire 9410 9420 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core Duo with 945PM Express || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D NVIDIA GeForce Go 7300 - 128 MB VRAM G72M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Intel HD audio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 8111 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945ABG but could swap with atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 || <!--Comments-->2007 32bit - 17in TFT 1,440 x 900 WXGA+ - 2 ddr2 sodimm slots max 4gb - |- | <!--Name-->eMachines E510 series KAL10 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Celeron M 560 2.13Ghz with PM965 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel x3100 || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Intel with codec}} || <!--USB-->Intel || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5906M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros G AR5BXB63 bios issue??}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2007 32bit very budget machine with InsydeH20 bios and F10 boot menu |- | <!--Name-->ACER Aspire 5920 [http://tim.id.au/laptops/acer/aspire%205920g.pdf 5920G] || <!--Chipset-->Santa Rosa Core 2 Duo T7300 T7500 later T9300 with GM965 and PM965(G) Express || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA for X3100M or 8600M GS (rev a1) 9500M GT 256MB vram (G) but some AMD/ATI RV635 M86 HD 3650}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio with realtek alc268, [https://forums.opensuse.org/t/no-sound-on-acer-aspire-5920g/32392 ALC883] or Realtek ALC1200 / alc888s codec ICH8}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB2 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5787M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Intel 3945ABG 4965 or Atheros 9k AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwood test iso 2023-01 2023-11 || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit boot with 'noacpi' or 'noioapic' - 15.4in 1280 x 800 pixels 16:10 - BMW Designworks ‘Gemstone’ design - over 3.0kg with options for 8-cell or 6-cell batteries - 2 SODIMM DDR2 667MT/s max 4GB - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->Acer A0521 Ao721 || Athlon II Neo K125 + AMD M880G || {{N/A}} || {{maybe| }} || {{maybe|ATI Radeon HD 4225 (VESA only)}} || {{No|Conexant}} || {{Maybe| }} || {{no|AR8152 l1c}} || {{unk|AR9285 ath9k}} || AspireOS 1.7 || 2006 64bit possible |- | <!--Name--> Extensa 5630Z || <!--Chipset-->T6600 with Intel GL40 Express || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx--> {{Yes|Intel GMA 4500M HD (2D)}} || <!--Audio--> {{Yes|HD Audio}} || <!--USB--> {{Yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet--> {{No|Broadcom BCM 5764M}} || <!--Wireless--> {{No|RaLink RT2860}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit |- |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 5250 series 5253 BZ400 BZ602 || <!--Chipset-->E350 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{no|VESA 2D for AMD HD6310}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDaudio for codec Conexant CX20584}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Atheros AR8151}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Atheros 9k AR5B97}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire V5 V5-121 V5121 AO725 One 725 || <!--Chipset-->AMD C-70 C70 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{no|VESA for AMD 6290G}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|Realtek ALC269 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|2 x USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire V5-122P MS2377 || <!--Chipset-->C-70 C70 with M55, AMD A4-1250 or A6 1450 up to 1.4Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->AMD 8210 || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|FCH USB EHCI OHCI}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|rtl8169 but LAN/VGA Combo Port Cable (AK.LAVGCA 001) or MiniCP port to Acer Converter Cable (Mini CP to VGA/LAN/USB) (NP.OTH11 00C) needed}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros 9k AR9565}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aros One || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit but no sse4 or avx - 26w battery internal, extension possible - 11.6in 1366 x 768 ips touchscreen - 7mm hd ssd - 2gb ddr3l soldered with 1 slot free max 4GB - bios hacking needed for virtualisation - |- | <!--Name-->Packard Bell EasyNote TE69 TE69KB 522 || <!--Chipset-->slow E1-2500, E2-3800 2c2t Dual or A4-5000 4c4t Quad both soldered BGA769 (FT3) on Hudson-2 FCH || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|Use IDE mode}} setting AHCI to IDE mode - boots if UEFI set to Legacy || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for ATI Radeon 8120 8240, 8320, 8330 or 8280 islands}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio with ALC282 0x10ec, 0x0282 codec but not HDMI}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|Bios, Boot, set Boot mode to Legacy, nothing from USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros AR8171 AR8175 or Broadcom BCM57780}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9565 0x1969 0x10a1}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aspire OS Xenon and AROS One 1.6 usb || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit with sse4.1 and AVX - 15.6in washed out screen big netbook - Boots with noacpi after using F2 to enter EFI firmware and f12 boot device - 2 ddr3 sodimm slots max 16Gb - |- | <!--Name-->ASPIRE Acer Aspire ES1-520 521 522 Series N15C4 ES1-523 || <!--Chipset-->AMD AMD E1-7010, A8-7410 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|VESA for RADEON R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|Realtek ALC 233 or CX20752 HD AUDIO CODEC}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Atheros AR8151 Gigabit or Broadcom 590x}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek RTL8187 or 8812BU}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aros One || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit with sse4.1 and AVX - 2 ddr3l slots - keyboard connected to top case - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire V15 NITRO Black edition || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GTX 860M || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Predator 15 (G9-591-) (G9-593-72VT) || <!--Chipset-->Intel i7-6700HQ || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->GTX 960M to 980M, GTX 1060 || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek ALC255 @ Intel Sunrise Point PCH High Definition Audio Controller}} || <!--USB-->USB3 || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Nitro 5 an515-42 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 2500u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD rx560x || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->aspire 3 A315-41 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 2500u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD Vega || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->swift 3 sf315-41 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 2500u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD Vega || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire 3 A315-23 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3020e, r3 3200u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 3, 5 A515-44-R0ZN || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 4500u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with ALC codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 14in or 15.6" 1080p - 19v round charging - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr0tC3QJWxk repair], 4gb soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - |- | <!--Name-->Swift 3 SF314-42 series N19C4 , Swift SF315-4 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 5 4500U, 7 4700U|| <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit 1080p - small round ac 19v 3.42A or usb-c - mobo FH4FR LA-J731P - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Swift 3 SF314-43, Swift SF315-41 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 7 5700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit 1080p - small round ac or usb-c - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 5 A515-45 || <!--Chipset-->r7 5700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 15.6in 1080p - asus round ac - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 5 A515-47 || <!--Chipset-->ryzen 5 5625U, || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 15.6in 1080p - asus round ac - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Asus==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Asus L8400-K Medion MD9467 || <!--Chipset-->Intel desktop 850MHz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->S3 Savage MX || <!--Audio-->{{No|ESS allegro 1988}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2001 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Asus L2000 L2400 L2D Series Medion 9675 || <!--Chipset-->Athlon 4 mobile || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use vesa sis630 || <!--Audio-->{{No|sis7018}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->sis900 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->x51R X51RL || <!--Chipset-->Duo T2250 T2330 with RS480 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA RC410 [Radeon Xpress 200M]}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|boots and detects}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL-8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros AR5006EG AR5111 ath5k AzureWave AW-GE780 - could be ATI Chipset}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.2, deadwood 2021, || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit 15.4 WXGA - 19v barrel - ESC boot select - F2 bios - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Asus R2H Ultra Mobile PC UMPC || <!--Chipset-->Celeron 900Mhz 910GML || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA900 || <!--Audio-->Ac97 ALC880 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8169 8101e || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm4fOrqyj3g boots] |- | <!--Name-->Asus A3 series A3F Ergo Ensis 211 RM || <!--Chipset-->P-M 1.6GHz to Core Duo with 950 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 945 || <!--Audio-->Ac97 ALC655 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8100CL 10/100 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit only |- | <!--Name-->Z33 || <!--Chipset-->915 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->915GM || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC880 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Intel 2915ABG || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit Z33A Z33AE N5M N5A |- | Z70A Z70V Z70Va M6A z7000 z7000a || i915 + ICH6 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|mobile 915GML}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|ICH6 HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Marvell 88E8001}} || {{no|Intel PRO 2200BG Fn / F2}} || Icaros 1.3 || 2005 32bit |- | [http://www.progweb.com/en/2010/09/linux-sur-un-portable-asus-a6jm/ A6jm] A6JC || 945GM || IDE || SATA || {{yes|nVidia GeForce Go 7600 G70}} || {{no|HD Audio}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|RTL8111 8168B}} || {{no|Intel 3945 ABG}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2006 32bit only |- | <!--Name-->F3Jc || <!--Chipset-->945PM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->G72M Quadro NVS 110M, GeForce Go 7300 || <!--Audio-->D audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8169 8111 || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->X50GL F5GL || <!--Chipset-->T5800 with 965 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA 2d - Nvidia 8200M G84 runs hot}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio MCP79 with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|MCP79}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros AR5B91 AW-NE77}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.2 || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit not much support no display with nouveau - 19v barrel - ddr2 max 4gb - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS G50 & G51 series G50V G50Vt G51V G51VX G51J G51Jx G50VT X1 X5 ROG || <!--Chipset-->AMD64 with MCP71 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes}} || <!--Gfx-->nVidia GeForce 9800M GS (G94M) up to GT200 [GeForce GTX 260M] (G92M) || <!--Audio-->Nvidia HD Audio with codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros L1C atl1c}} || <!--Wireless-->Atheros G or Intel || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit not all GPUs are failing but a much higher % failing early, 8x00 and 9x00 G84, G86, G92, G94, and G96 series chips dying - ddr2 max 4gb - |- | <!--Name-->M50V M50 series || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core 2 Duo P8400 or T9400 with Intel PM45 ICH9 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|BIOS set to compatibility IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA GeForce 9600M GS or 9650M GT || <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC663 || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 realtek 8169 8111C}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Intel 5100 or Atheros AR928X}}|| <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 2.0 USB || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - 15.40 inch 16:10, 1680 x 1050 glossy - the "Infusion" design - heavy 3kg - ddr2 ram max 4gb - |- | <!--Name-->Series F9 F9E F9dc F9f F9j F9s || <!--Chipset-->965GM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio ALC660 playback}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|works}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|intel 3495 not working}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.41 || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - ddr2 max 4gb - |- | P52F SO006X || i3-370M || IDE || SATA || {{yes|nVidia G92 [GeForce 9800 GT] (2D)}} || {{no|Intel HD Audio}} || {{yes|2 USB2.0}} || {{no|Atheros AR8121 AR8113 AR8114 (l1e)}} || {{dunno}} || Icaros 1.3 || 2010 64bit - ddr3 slot - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Asus * X53U MB Ver K53U or K52U Asus K53U MB Ver K53U * A53U XT2 X53B MB ver: K53BY (compal) || <!--Chipset-->Slow atom like speed E-350 (2011), E-450 (2011) on AMD M780G, much slower C-50 C50 (2012), C-60 C60 on the AMD A50M dark brown plastic build || <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|Set IN Bios IDE MODE}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA ATi 6310M, 6320M later 6250M or 6290M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with alc269 codec Altec Lansing® Speakers}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|3 x USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Unk|rtl8169 with RTL8111 phy}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros half height ar9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.2 and 2018 AROS One 1.6 USB || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 15.6in 1368 x 768 dull 50% srgb screen - f2 bios setup, esc boot drive - 5200 or 7800 mAh battery covers ASUS K53S K53E X54C X53S K84L X53SV X54HR K53F X53U laptops - 2 DDR3L slots max 8Gb - 19v barrel 5.5 / 2.5 mm - |- | <!--Name-->Asus K53T, Asus A53Z X53Z || <!--Chipset-->AMD A4-3305M on AMD M780G, A6-3420M dark brown plastic build || <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|Set IN Bios IDE MODE}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD 6520G, 7670M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|3 x USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 with RTL8111 phy}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros half height}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One USB || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 15.6in 1368 x 768 dull 50% srgb screen - f2 bios setup, esc boot drive - 2 DDR3L slots max 8Gb - 19v barrel 5.5 / 2.5 mm - Altec Lansing® Speakers - |- | <!--Name-->X55U X401U X501U 1225B || <!--Chipset-->slow C-60 C60, C-70 C70 or E1 1200 E2 1800 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->6290G || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111 8169 || <!--Wireless-->{{unk| Atheros AR9485}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 11.6" display - ram soldered - |- | <!--Name-->Asus A43TA A53TA K53TA XE2 A73T || <!--Chipset-->AMD A4-3300M, A6 3400M (laptop chip) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|Set IN Bios IDE MODE}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA AMD Radeon HD 6520G Integrated + HD 6470M (1GB GDDR3)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Unk|}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - f2 bios setup, esc boot drive - |- | <!--Name-->X102BA || <!--Chipset-->Llano E1 1200 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|ide bios setting}} || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 8180 || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->RTL8101E RTL8102E || <!--Wireless-->{{unk| Qualcomm Atheros AR9485}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 10.1” Touchscreen - special asus 45w ac adapter - |- | <!--Name-->K55N, K75DE || <!--Chipset-->AMD a6 4400M A8 4500M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->AMD 7640G || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC codec none through ATi Trinity HDMI || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 || <!--Wireless-->{{unk| Atheros AR9485}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 17.3-inch - |- | <!--Name-->X452EA X552EA F552E || <!--Chipset-->AMD E1 2100 or A4 5000M A8 4500M A10 4600M with A || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA for AMD ATI Sun XT Radeon HD 8330 8670A 8670M 8690M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AMD FCH Azalia rev 02 with ALC898 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{{Yes|Realtek RTL8111 8168 8411}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9485}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1 || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit may support avx kabini trinity - |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG G751GY || <!--Chipset-->Intel i7-4720HQ || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->GTX 980M || <!--Audio-->HDAudio || <!--USB-->USB3 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG G752VY || <!--Chipset-->Intel i7-6700HQ || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->GTX 980M || <!--Audio-->HDAudio || <!--USB-->USB3 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Asus X555Y || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-7210 A8-7410 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2.5" and mSATA form factors using SATA Rev 3.0 interface }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|rtl8169 Realtek}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }}Realtek || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 4gb soldered with 1 ddr3 slot - silver-colored plastic - internal battery - |- | <!--Name-->Asus X555B X555DG X555S X555U X555YI X555LAB || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core i5-4210U to || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2.5" and mSATA form factors using SATA Rev 3.0 interface }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Intel}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with coxenant and realtek alc codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }}Realtek || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 4gb soldered with 1 ddr3 slot - silver-colored plastic - internal battery - |- | <!--Name-->Asus X555D || <!--Chipset-->AMD A10-8700P || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{unk|2.5" and mSATA form factors using SATA Rev 3.0 interface }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD R6}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 15.6in 1366 x 768 - 4gb soldered with 1 ddr3 slot - silver-coloured plastic - internal battery - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS X555Q || <!--Chipset-->AMD® Bristol Ridge A10-9600P 7th Gen, A12-9720p || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2.5" and mSATA form factors using SATA Rev 3.0 interface}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|R5 + Radeon™ R6 M435DX Dual Graphics with VRAM GCN 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek 8821AE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit - FHD 15.6 1920x1080 - 37W battery internal - 4gb soldered with 1 ddr3 slot - internal battery - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS M509ba || <!--Chipset-->AMD A9-9425 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2.5" and mSATA form factors using SATA Rev 3.0 interface}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for RADEON R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 15.6in 1366 x 768 - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot max 16Gb - 19VDC 2.37A Max 45W 4.0mm x 1.35mm - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->ExpertBook P1410, ASUS ExpertBook P1 P1510CD, Expertbook Y1511CD || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 3200U, Ryzen 5 3500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->Nvme || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for AMD}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit 14in or 15.6in 768p to 1080p - keyboard swap problematic - 19V 3.42A asus barrel connector 4.0MM X 1.35MM 4phi - |- | <!--Name-->ASUSTeK ASUS EXPERTBOOK L1 L1400CDA, L1500CDA - 19v 3.42a 4.5phi Barrel with centre pin Outer 4.5mm Inner 3mm asus special untested EXA1203XH, EXA1203YH, EXA1208UH, PA-1650-30, PA-1650-78, PA-1650-93, ADP-65GD B, ADP-65DW B (Euro) || <!--Chipset-->'''tested''' Ryzen 5 3500U - '''untested''' Ryzen 3 3200U, 3250U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|1 Nvme m.2 slot will not boot with sata3 m.2, optional 1 sata hdd with ribbon cable, no dvd drive}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for AMD vega 3, 8}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio 0x15de 0x15e3 with ALC256 codec 0x10ec 0x0256}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 1 usb-c and 3 usb-a }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111HSH-CG }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro-->3500U with AROS One 64bit 1.2 usb installed to m.2 sata on another machine || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit 14in or 15.6in 1080p - keyboard swap problematic - up to 8Gb ddr4 sodimm soldered on board and 1 slot - micro sd card slot on some models - 42Whr B31N1915 C31N1915 C31N2204 - hold down F2 and press power for bios setup - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ==== Dell ==== [[#top|...to the top]] Order of build quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > Studio Inspiron Vostro XPS Alienware Precision Latitude </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="10%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Latitude CP 233GT, CPi d233xt d266xt D300XT a366xt, CPt S400GT S500GT S550GT S600GT S700ST, CPt C333GT C400GT || <!--Chipset-->Neo Magic || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA - Neo magic Magic Media 2160 2360 256ZX || <!--Audio-->{{No|crystal pnp 4237b or magic media 256zx sound nm2360}} || <!--USB-->USB 1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit Low-Density 16-chip 144p 144-pin 32Mx64 3.3V SODIMM - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Latitude CPx H450GT H500GT H Series, CPt V433GT V466GT V600, Inspiron 5000 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 440BX with Pentium 3M (CPx) or Celeron (CPt) || <!--IDE-->{{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use Vesa - ATi Rage Pro Mobility M1}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|ESS ES1978 Maestro 2E Canyon 3D}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|1 slot 1.1 only}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Test Distro-->NB May 2013 || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit - 3 pin PA-6 PA6 power adapter plug - CDROM DVD Cxxx family media bay accessories untested |- | <!--Name-->Latitude C500 C600 (Quanta TM6) Inspiron 4000 7500, CPx J Series || <!--Chipset-->440BX ZX/DX || <!--IDE-->{{yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|ATI Rage 128Pro Mobility M3 (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|ES1983S Maestro 3i}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 1.1 only}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A|some models had mini pci e100}}|| <!--Wireless-->{{N/A|a few came with internal antenna wiring}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->1999 square 3 pin charger PA9 PA-9 - C/Dock II untested - C/Port untested - Parallel to Floppy cable untested - CPx J600GT J650GT J700GT J750GT J800GT J850GT |- | <!--Name-->Latitude C510 C610 Insprion 4100 PP01L 2600 || <!--Chipset-->i830 and 1GHz+ P3-M || <!--IDE-->{{yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|use VESA - ATI Radeon Mobility M6}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 CS4205}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|3Com Etherlink}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|internal antenna wiring for an Atheros mini pci card}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->2000 poor build quality - hard to find in good working order |- | <!--Name-->Latitude C400 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 830 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Intel 830 CGC}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|ac97 Crystal 4205}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|3Com 3c905C TX/TX-M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2000 Slim for the time - no media bays |- | <!--Name-->Latitude C640 (Quanta TM8) C840 Inspiron 8k2 8200 i8200 precision m50 || <!--Chipset-->P4M with 845EP || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use VESA if ATi - use nouveau if 64mb Nvidia Gforce 4 440 Go || <!--Audio-->AC97 CS4205 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->3com 905c || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2001 C640 had one fan so was noisy and hot - C840 had 2 fans and ran slightly cooler but fan noise louder |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | Latitude D400 || P-M 82845 || {{yes|82801 ide}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|VESA only}} || {{yes|AC97 Audio playback only}} || {{maybe|USB 2.0}} || {{maybe|PRO 100 VM (KM)}} || {{no|BCM4318 AirForce one 54g replace with atheros 5k mini pci}} || <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.2.4 || 2003 32bit might boot from USB stick but won't boot from USB-DVD - no sd card slot - power plug style - |- | Latitude D500 / D505 PP10L, Inspiron 510m || 855GME * revA00 * revA03 * revA06 | {{yes|IDE but needs the Dell adapter}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|855GM Gfx (VESA only)}} || {{Yes|Intel AC97 with IDT STAC 9750 codec playback head phones only}} || {{maybe| }} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100 VE}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4306 but exchange with atheros g in panel on laptop bottom}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || 2003 - 14 / 15 inch XGA 4:3 screen - plastic build - no sd card slot - boots from bay optical drive - not powering on/off with ac adapter is a [http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=37&topicid=30585 mobo fault of PC13 SMT 1206 ceramic cap hot] suggest [http://www.die4laser.com/D505fix/ 0.1uF 50V instead] - pc2700 333Mhz ram 1Gb max - |- | Latitude D505 (some) || VIA VT8237 VX700 || {{yes|IDE}} || || {{partial|VESA 2d on ATI RV350 Radeon 9550}} || {{no|VIA AC97 with codec}} || {{maybe|VIA USB glitchy}} || {{yes|VIA VT6102 Rhine-II}} || {{no|Intel 2200g Calexico2}} || <!--Test Distro--> || 2003 32bit little support - diagnostics pressing holding the Fn key, press the Power ON button (battery removed). Check the LEDs pattern - cmos battery behind flap in laptop battery slot - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 1000 || <!--Chipset-->SIS || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|use VESA SIS}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 SIS with AD1981B codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|SIS 900 but}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1 || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit [https://forum.level1techs.com/t/my-time-with-icaros-desktop-and-what-i-am-doing-as-a-dev-contributor-also-some-other-shit/113358 aremis using it] |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 1100 PP07L || <!--Chipset-->845 || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Intel 845G}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC'97 playback}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom 4401}} || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.5 || <!--Comments-->2004 |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 8500 5150 || <!--Chipset-->P4 855GM || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Nvidia 5200 Go - VESA if intel gfx}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|MCP AC97 with SigmaTel 9750}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Broadcom 440x}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom 4306 rev 02 use Atheros Mini PCI}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit P4 runs well but hot |- | Latitude X300 PP04S small, slim and light case || 855GME * revA00 Intel ULV 1.2 Ghz * revA01 Intel ULV 1.4Ghz | {{yes|IDE internal and will boot cd/dvd through dock PR04S}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|855GM Gfx (VESA only)}} || {{Yes|Intel AC97 with STAC 97xx codec but no audio out of the dock}} || {{maybe|works but dock usb ports and usb DVD PD01S not detected}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM5705M gigabit}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4306 later intel - replace with atheros in the underside}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1, 2020 AROS One 1.6 usb, || 2003 12.1" 1024 x 768 - 19.5v PA-10 or PA-12 dell - ACPI works but bad s3 ram suspend sleep - no sd card boot - 1Gb max sodimm ddr 2700 |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D600 (Quanta JM2) PP05L - 600m || <!--Chipset-->82855 PM i855 * reva00 * revA01 * revA02 * revA03 * revA04 | <!--IDE--> {{yes}} || <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use VESA - ATI Radeon RV250 Mobility FireGL 9000}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 - STAC 9750}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5705}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel 2100 or Broadcom BCM4306 - swap for Atheros panel in base}} || <!--Test Distro-->2011 Icaros 1.3 and [http://www.amiga.org/forums/archive/index.php/t-62187.html 1.4.1 and 2016 2.1.1] || <!--Opinion-->2003 32bit 14inch using pc2100 memory with Caps light blinking is usually a memory error - Dell D505 D600 power up pressing the case docking port - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D600 (Quanta JM2) || <!--Chipset-->82855 PM i855 || <!--IDE--> {{yes}} || <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D only vidia NV28 GeForce4 Ti 4200 Go 5200 Go 5650 Go}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 - STAC 9750}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5705}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom BCM4306 mini pci - swap for Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.3 and [http://www.amiga.org/forums/archive/index.php/t-62187.html 1.4.1] || <!--Opinion-->2003 32bit 14" - solder joints on the bios chip (press down f7/f8 keys) - RAM clean with eraser - memory cover plate maybe apply some pressure - |- | <!--Name-->D800 (Compal LA-1901) || <!--Chipset-->Intel 855 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio-->AC97 || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom 570x || <!--Wireless-->Broadcom 4309 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit - trackpoint type pointing device - |- | <!--Name-->D800 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 855 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{No|Nvidia }} || <!--Audio-->AC97 || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom 570x || <!--Wireless-->Broadcom 4309 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit 15inch 39cm |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 1200 2200 PP10S Latitude 110L m350 1.3Ghz || <!--Chipset-->Intel 915GM || <!--IDE--> {{yes|UDMA boots cd or DVD and installs to HDisk}} || <!--SATA--> {{N/A}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA900 (2D and 3D openGL 1.x) Gearbox 56}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel AC97 playback only}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Intel PRO 100 VE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|BroadCom BCM4318 - swap for Atheros mini PCI in base panel}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.4.5 || <!--Comments-->2005 single core 32bit 14" 4:3 1024 768 XGA screen - heavy 6 lbs - PA16 barrel 19V 3.16A AC adapter - battery life 4cell 29WHr lasts 2 hours - 256mb soldered with 1 ddr pc2100 sodimm 1gb max - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 1300 business B130 home PP21L Latitude 120L B120 by Compal - Inspiron 630m || <!--Chipset-->Intel Celeron M360 1.4GHz, M370 1.50 GHz, M380 1.73GHz || <!--IDE-->{{Yes|boots cd or DVD and installs to HDisk}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 915 2D and 3D openGL 1.x tunnel 172 gearbox 70}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio playback ear phones only}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|works but waiting boot fail with AROS One usb version}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Broadcom 440x}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|intel 2200 or BCM4318 swap for Atheros mini pci underside - one antenna lead for main wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.2, 2020 AROS One 1.6 usb, || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit single core - 14.1″ XGA 4:3 or 15.4" WXGA wide 1280 x 800 matte - ddr2 sodimm ram 2gb max - PA-16 19v psu tip 7.4mm * 5mm - f10 boot select f1 f2 bios |- | Latitude X1 PP05S || PP-M GMA915 rev A00 1.1GHz non-pae || {{yes|ide 1.8in zif/ce under keyboard}} || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|Vesa for Intel 915GM}} || {{yes|AC97 6.6 playback only with STAC codec}} || {{maybe|USB 2.0 but partial boot to blank screen}} || {{No|Broadcom 5751}} || {{no|Intel 2200BG - swap for Atheros mini pci under keyboard palm rest - disassembly of all laptop}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 dvd iso image virtualbox'd onto usb, Aros One 1.5 and 1.8 usb (2022) || 2005 32bit 12.1" 4:3 1024 x 768 - sd slot not bootable - 256mb soldered to board and 1 sodimm max 1GB ddr2 under keyboard - F12 bios boot F2 - pa-17 pa17 19v octagonal psu port |- | Latitude D410 PP06S *rev A00 *A01, A02 *A03 || GMA915 1.6GHz Pentium® M 730, 1.7GHz, 750 1.86GHz & 760 2.0GHz, 770 2.13GHz || {{yes|caddy and adapter needed 2.5" - remove hdd and write}} || {{N/A}} || {{Yes|Intel 915GM 2D and 3D OpenGL 1.3 tunnel 170 and gearbox 75}} || {{yes|AC97 playback only with STAC 9751 codec}} || {{maybe|works but will not boot from USB-DVD or AROS One 1.5 usb version}} || {{No|Broadcom 5751}} || {{no|Intel 2915ABG or later 2200BG - swap for Atheros mini pci under keyboard}} || <!--Test Distro-->2015 Icaros 1.4, 2016 2.1.1 and AROS One 1.5 usb, || 2005 32bit 12.1" 4:3 1024 x 768 - no sd card slot - PR06S dock base |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D510 (Quanta DM1) || <!--Chipset-->915GM socket 479 || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 915 2D and 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 STAC 975x}} || <!--USB--> {{maybe|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5751}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG swap Atheros mini pci in base}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 14.1" 32bit single core Intel Celeron M 1.6GHz Pentium M 730 1.73Ghz - squarish 3:2 - issues with 3rd party battery 4 quick flashes of red led with 1 final green |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D610 (Quanta JM5B) PP11L || <!--Chipset-->910GML 915GM with mobile 1.6 to 2.26ghz * Rev A0x * Rev A0x * Rev A07 1.73Ghz | <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 915 2D and 3D tunnel 174 gearbox 74}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel AC97 speaker head phones playback only with stac codec}} || <!--USB--> {{maybe|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5751}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel 2200BG or Broadcom mini pci under keyboard, swap wifi card for atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 14" 1024 x 768 - very noisy clicky trackpad buttons - one dimm slot under keyboard and other in underside 2GB 533Mhz 667Mhz DDR2 max - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D610 (Quanta JM5B) 0C4717 REV A05, 0K3879 REV.A00 || <!--Chipset-->915GM || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use VESA 2d - Ati X300 no radeon 2d}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel AC97}} || <!--USB--> {{maybe|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom NetXtreme 57xx Gigabit replace with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG mini pci use Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 14" 1024 x 768 - very noisy clicky trackpad buttons - 19.5v psu |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D810 (Quanta ) || <!--Chipset-->915GM || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use VESA 2d - Ati X300 RV370 M22 later x600}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel AC97 stereo playback only idt 9751 codec}} || <!--USB--> {{maybe|USB 2.0 but no boot from usb on 1.5}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom NetXtreme 57xx Gigabit}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG mini pci replace with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.1, aros one 1.5 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 15.4" F12 one time boot menu - 19.5v 90w psu ideal - battery not same as later dx20 ones - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 6000 6400, E1505 PP20L *A00 Pentium M *A0? Core Duo || <!--Chipset-->GM945 with PM 1.73Ghz, T2050 or T2060 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|vesa 2d - Ati 9700, x1300 RV515 M52, x1400 or nvidia go 7300 on mxm board}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio IDT 9200}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|usb boot }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Broadcom BCM4401 B0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 2200 3945 - swap for Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1, AROS One 1.6 || <!--Comments-->2006 mostly 32bit - 15.4 inch glossy - 2 ddr2 sodimm slots - broadcom bcm92045 bluetooth detected but no support - 19.5v dell psu socket - f2 bios setup, f12 boot order - |- | <!--Name-->Inspirion E1705 9200 9300 9400 PP12L PP14L || <!--Chipset-->945GM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->proprietary Dell card/socket format Nvidia 6800, ati X300 or nVidia 7900GS gpu 3d corrupt || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom BCM4401}} || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 swap with Atheros 5k mini pcie || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 [http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?mode=flat&order=0&item_id=6481 increasing vertical lines issues] 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Studio XPS M1210 || <!--Chipset-->GM945 with Core Duo to intel C2D T5500, T7400 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->nVidia G72M 7300 7400m || <!--Audio-->HD Audio IDT 92xx || <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom BCM4401 B0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4311 - swap for Atheros 5k mini pci-e}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 64bit - 2 ddr2 slots max 4Gb - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 1501 PP23LA Latitude 131L || <!--Chipset-->AMD Sempron 1.8GHz Turion MK-36 or X2 1.6Ghz TL-50 or TL-56 on ATI RS480 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use VESA 2d - ATI 1150 (x300) RS482M Mobility Radeon Xpress 200}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with stac 92xx codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom bcm 4401}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom bcm4311 replace with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.5 || <!--Comments-->2006 64bit 15.4 inch matt 16:10 1280x800 WXGA - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 6400 (Quanta FM1) *A00 Pentium M *A0? Core Duo *A08 Core2 Duo || <!--Chipset-->GM945 with BGA479 (socket M) T2050 1.6Ghz, T2060 1.60Ghz, T2080 1.73Ghz much later T5500 1.66Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 2D and 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with IDT 92xx codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Broadcom BCM4401 B0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4311 swap for Atheros 5k mini pci-e under keyboard}} || <!--Test Distro-->deadwood 2019-04-16 iso || <!--Comments-->2006 mostly 32bit - 15.4" glossy - sd card - front multimedia keys - dvd rw - generic dell keyboard - coin cr2032 bios battery under keyboard - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 640m PP19L XPS M140 e1405 || <!--Chipset-->Core Solo T2050, T2300 Duo 1.83GHz T2400 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio IDT || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom BCM4401-B0 100Base || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 or Broadcom 43xx, swap for Atheros 5k - Wireless Internet ON or OFF press the Function key + F2}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32 bit - 12.1 LCD CCFL WXGA 1280x800 up to 14.1 inch 16:10 1440x900 pixel, WXGA+ UltraSharp - supports also SSE3 on duos - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D420 (Compal LA-3071P) PP09S || <!--Chipset-->945 * revA00 Solo 1.2Ghz ULV U1400 * revA01 Duo 1.06Ghz u2500 * revA02 Duo 1.2Ghz | <!--IDE-->{{yes|ZIF/CE 1.8" slow under battery, ribbon cable}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA950 - 2D and 3D opengl tunnel 138 gearbox 103}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio with STAC 92xx playback speakers head phones only)}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|2 and external usb optical drive works}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 mini pcie - swap Atheros 5k in base panel}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros Desktop 1.4 || <!--Opinion-->2006 32bit only - 12.1" 1280x800 - PR09S dock base rev02 DVD-RW usb boots - 1GB DDR2 2Rx16 max in base panel - f2 setup f5 diagnostics f12 boot list - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D520 PP17L || <!--Chipset--> * 64bit rev A01, A02 945GM Core2 Duo 1.83Ghz to 2.3Ghz * 32bit rev A00, A01 940GML Solo later Duo T2400 | <!--IDE-->{{yes| Philips SDR089, Philips CDD5263, TEAC DW224EV, Optiarc AD-5540A, HL-DL-ST GSAT21N, TSSTcorp TS-L632D}} || {{Yes|bios sata set to ide mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 900 series 2D and OpenGL1 3D tunnel 210 gearbox 153 teapot 27}} || {{Yes|HD audio with STAC 9200 codec}} || {{Yes|Boots and detects USB2.0}} || {{Yes|Broadcom 4400}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM4312 BCM4321 Dell 1390 / 1490 mini pcie - easy to replace with atheros 5k in base panel}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.4 and 2.2 and both AROS One 1.8 and AROS One x64 1.1 USB boot || 2006 mostly 64bit 4:3 aspect ratio 14.1 (XGA 1024x768) or later 15 inches (XGA+ 1400 by 1050) - F2 enter bios F12 choose boot - 19.5v dell tip pa-12 charger - bios coin cell cr2032 battery socketed in base panel - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D620 (Compal LA-2792) PP18L || <!--Chipset-->945GMS * rev A00 all Core Duo's 32 bit * rev A0x all Core 2 Duo's 64 bit | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 950 (2D and 3D tunnel gearbox opengl1 || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio playback}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel 3945 mini pcie swap with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->AspireOS Xenon || <!--Opinion-->2006 64bit AROS capable with later revisions - 14" 1280 x 800 |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D620 || <!--Chipset-->Intel i945 * revA00 all Core Duo's 32 bit * revA01 all Core 2 Duo's 64 bit | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Nvidia 7300, 7600 NVS 110M G72 || <!--Audio-->{{dunno|HD Audio with STAC 9200 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless--> {{dunno}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->2007 1440x900 screen - LA-2792P Rev.2.0 - DT785 UC218 Fan/ Heatsink (64bit) - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D820 (Quanta JM6) || <!--Chipset-->945GMS 940GML * rev A00 * rev A01 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 2D and 3D tunnel 195 - 100? gearbox 156}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with STAC 9200 playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|BCM4310 replace with mini pcie atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Opinion-->2007 widescreen 15 inch 1280 x 800 matte - - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D820 (Quanta JM) || <!--Chipset-->945GMS 940GML * revA00 * revA01 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Nvidia NVS 110M 120M G72}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio STAC 9200}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|BCM4310 swap with Atheros 5k mini pcie}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->2007 64bit 15.4 1650x1050 WXGA or WSXGA+ or 1920x1200 WUXGA - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Latitude D531 15" || <!--Chipset-->AMD Turion X2 TL56 or TL60 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use VESA - ATi xpress X1270}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with IDT codec || <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom 57xx}} || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 or Dell Wireless 1390, 1505 or BCM4311 mini pcie || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit possible - no trackpoint - fails and goes wrong often - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D430 PP09S || <!--Chipset-->945 with Core2 Duo C2D U7500 1.06GHz U7600 1.2GHz U7700 1.33GHz * rev A00 * rev A01 * rev A02 | <!--IDE-->ZIF PATA IDE 1.8inch under battery and ribbon cable - slow use USB instead || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|945GML 2D and 3D opengl 1.x 171 tunnel 105 gearbox}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|STAC 92xx HD Audio speaker and ear phone - mono speaker}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel 4965 AGN or 3945 ABG mini pci-e underside with Atheros 5k mini pci-e}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aspire 1.8 || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit capable - sd card not supported - 19.5v PA12 power adapter - 12.1" 1280x800 matte - f2 setup f5 diagnostics f12 boot list - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D530 || <!--Chipset-->GM965 + ICH8 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{partial|IDE mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{partial|nVidia Quadro NVS 135M 2D 3d glitches G86}} || <!--Audio-->{{partial|HD Audio with STAC 9205 head phones only}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0}}|| <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5755M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 3945ABG swap with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.4.5 || <!--Comments-->2007 [http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?mode=flat&order=0&item_id=6481] cool air intake from underneath needed with pa-10 or pa-3e 90w psu required - standard 4:3 ratio aspect screen - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D630 (Compal LA-3301P) PP18L || <!--Chipset-->GM965 + ICH8 T7250 2.0Ghz T7300 * revA00 * revA01 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA X3100 (2D only, no external monitor)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio STAC 9205 but speaker and head phones}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|4 USB 2.0}}|| <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5755M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom BCM4312 swap with pci-e Atheros 5k under keyboard}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit possible - F12 to choose boot option - 2 ddr2 sodimm max 4G - 4400mah 48Wh battery lasts 2 hours - 6600mah 73Wh lasts 3 hours - two wire cr2032 cmos - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D630 || <!--Chipset-->GM965 + ICH8 * revA00 [http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?mode=flat&order=0&item_id=6481] GPU heatpad, no copper * revA01 0DT785 heatsink | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{partial|IDE mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{partial|use VESA as nVidia NVS 135M 3d corrupts 0.7 tunnel 0.25 gearbox G86}} || <!--Audio-->{{partial|HD Audio with STAC 9205 head phones only}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0}}|| <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5755M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 3945ABG swap with Atheros 5k mini pcie}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.4.5 || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D830 || <!--Chipset-->965GM with Core2 * revA00 * revA01 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GM965 crestline 2d and 3d tunnel 115}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|replace with Atheros 5k mini pcie}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros || <!--Comments-->2007 15 inch 1280 x 900 but updating the LCD to WXGA or WSXGA+ could be better - 2 ddr2 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D830 || <!--Chipset-->ICH8, Core2 DUO T7800 @ 2.60GHz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->Intel ICH8M Serial ATA || <!--Gfx-->nVidia Quadro NVS 140M G86 || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio with STAC 92XX codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom NetXtreme 57xx Gigabit || <!--Wireless-->Intel Wireless 4965AGN swap with Atheros 5k || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.03 || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit 15." - FN,F2 or FN,F8 or FN,F12 |- | <!--Name-->XPS M1710 || <!--Chipset-->945PM with T2400 T2600 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->proprietary Dell card socket format GTX 7950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with STAC 92XX codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 1000 or Broadcom BCM5752 || <!--Wireless-->Intel swap with Atheros 5k || <!--Test Distro-->Aros One 64bit || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit 17.3" workstation type WXGA+ screen 1920x1200 - 2 ddr-2 667Mhz sodimm slots, |- | <!--Name-->XPS M1730 || <!--Chipset-->965 with T7200 T7600 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GTX 7950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with STAC 92XX codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 1000 || <!--Wireless-->Intel swap with Atheros 5k || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit 17" workstation type WXGA+ screen manufactured by AU Optronics poor viewing angles, unevenly lit, light leakage, 2 ddr-2 800Mhz slots, |- | <!--Name-->Latitude E6410 P27LA, E6510 PP30LA, E6310 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core i5-520M to i7-620M i7 820QM but no sse4.1 or AVX || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|NVidia NVS 3100M GT218 2D but 3D through external monitor}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio IDT 92HD81}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB2 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom or Intel 6200AGN or Link 6300}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.3 || <!--Comments-->2010 64 bit - 14.1” WXGA+ up to 15.6in 15.6” FHD 1080p - 2 ddr3l 1333Mhz max 8Gb - 90w dell charger - 3pin cmos - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron M5030 || <!--Chipset-->rev A01 AMD V120, V140 rev A0? V160 M880G || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA RS880M Radeon HD 4225, 4250}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with ALC269q codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros AR8152 v2}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - DDR3 sodimm - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->E6420 E6520 ATG semi ruggized XFR || <!--Chipset-->sandy bridge i5 2520M 2540M or duo I7 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|set to Bios UEFI mode AHCI}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Intel HD 3000 with optional fermi Nvidia NVS 4200M GF119}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with IDT 92HD90 BXX codec but not HDMI codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 6205}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.03 || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit 15.6in - fan exhausts a lot of hot air when cpu taxed - VGA if Bios ATA set and Vesa only with Bios ACHI set - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron M5040 || <!--Chipset-->slow amd E450, later C-50 C50 or C-60 C60 with A50M chipset || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|non efi sata in IDE mode but base plastic difficult to remove for access}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA AMD Radeon 6320, 6250 or 6290}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio IDT}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8105E VB 10/100}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 icaros 2.1.1 and AROS USB 1.6 || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit 15INCH 1388 X 768 - f2 bios setup, f12 boot order - under removable keyboard via 4 top spring loaded catches is 1 ddr3l sodimm max 8gb and wifi - |- | Latitude e6230 E6330 E6430 || i3 3320M 3350M 2.8 GHz i5 3360M i7 3520M || {{N/A}} || {{partial|non RAID mode}} || {{partial|Intel HD 4000 (VESA only)}} || {{no|HD Audio}} || {{partial|Intel USB 3.0 (USB 1.1 2.0 only)}} || {{No|Intel 82579LM Gigabit}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM4313}} || <!--Test Distro-->Nightly Build 2014 09-27 || 2013 64bit Ivy Bridge - 12.5-inch 13.3-inch 14-inch screen - not great support, better under hosted - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Latitude 3330 || <!--Chipset-->Core i3 – 2375M to i5 – 3337U, Intel® Core i3 – 3227U, Celeron 1007U on HM77 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2d for intel Hd 2000 3000 vga hdmi}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HDAudio with IDT 92HD93 Controller codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.0 (2), USB 2.0 PowerShare capable }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel }} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwood usb3 test iso || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit, 13.3” HD 1366X768 16:9, 2 ddr3l slots max 8Gb, 720p HD video webcam, |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 15 5565 5567 AMD versions, Inspiron 3595 || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-9200u A9-9400 9425 A12-9700P Bristol Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->Radeon R5 R8 GCN 3 || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{partial| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek 1GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit AVX2 - 15.6in 768p or 900p - there are intel versions avoid - |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Latitude 5495, Inspiron 15 3585 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 2300U 2500U 2700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|NVMe or optional 2.5in sata if caddy and ribbon cable}} || <!--Gfx-->Radeon Vega 3 or 7 || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with Realtek ALC3246 aka ALC295 0x10ec, 0x0295 or ALC3263 aka ALC 0x10ec, 0x0 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14.0" FHD WVA 1080p (16:9) 220 nits or HD 768p - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots max 32gb - 68whr battery with 2pin cmos bios coin - DC 19.5V 4.62A (90W) or 19.5V 3.34W (65W) 5.0mm x 7.4mm PA12 charging adapter - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 3505, Vostro 3515 || <!--Chipset-->athlon 300u, Ryzen 3250u (2c4t) 3450u 3500u 3700u (4c8t), Athlon Silver (2c2t) Gold (2c4t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|up to 2 nvme with optional 2.5in sata ribbon connector}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 8, 10}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|Realtek ALC3204, Cirrus Logic CS8409 (CS42L42 and SN005825)}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|RTL 8106E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8723DE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64-bit - 15.6inch - 2 ddr4 sodimm max 16G - avoid knocking usb-c charging whilst in use - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 5485 2-in-1 || <!--Chipset-->athlon 300u, Ryzen 3250u (2c4t) 3450u 3500u 3700u (4c8t), Athlon Silver (2c2t) Gold (2c4t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|nvme}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 8, 10}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|Realtek ALC3204}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8723DE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64-bit - 14inch - 2 ddr4 sodimm max 16G - avoid knocking usb-c charging whilst in use - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude 3500, 3310, 3410, 3510, || <!--Chipset-->Intel Celeron-4205U, Pentium-5405U, Core i5 (8th Gen) i3-8145U, 8265U, i5-8365U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|nvme}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2D for Intel UHD Graphics 610 or 620 hdmi}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HDAudio with Realtek ALC}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 usb-c usb-a}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111H}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14in or 15.6in 768p to 1080p 220nits - 65w - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - rtc cr2032 cmos 2 pin - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 5405 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 4500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->One M.2 2230/2280 nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with Realtek ALC3204 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 14" 1080p - dell round ac 19.50 VDC 4.50 mm x 2.90 mm 65W(19.5V-3.34A) round 4.5mm tip - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 5415, Inspiron 5515 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 5300U, Ryzen 5 5500U, Ryzen 7 5700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|nvme}} || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDaudio with realtek ALC3254 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit 14" or 15.6in - avoid knocking usb-c charging whilst in use or use dell round ac 65W 4.5MM x 3.0MM - replacing keyboard not easy - 1 ddr4 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->Vostro 3425, Vostro 3525, Vostro 5625 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 5425U, Ryzen 5 5625U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{no|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB4}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 14in 15.6" to 16" FHD 1080p - dell round ac 65w 4.5MM x 3.0MM or avoid knocking usb-c charging whilst in use - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Inspiron 15 Model 3535, Inspiron 14 7435 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 7520U, AMD Ryzen 5 7530U, 7 7730U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->{{No| hdmi 1.4 but no gpmi}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDaudio with codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2024 64bit - 14.0" or 15.6" 1080p - dell round ac 65w 4.5MM x 3.0MM or usb-c charging - full sd card slot - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |} ====Fujitsu-Siemens==== [[#top|...to the top]] Order of build quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > Amilo Esprimo Lifebook </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu [http://www.labri.fr/perso/fleury/index.php?page=bug_transmeta FMV-Biblo Loox S73A (Japan P1100) LifeBook P1120 Biblo Loox T93C (Japan P2120) P2020] || <!--Chipset-->Transmeta Crusoe CPU TM5600 633MHz with Ali M1535 chipset || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->ATI Rage Mobility M with 4MB SDRAM || <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 Ali M1535 + STAC9723 Codec}} || <!--USB-->USB 1.1 only || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1999 32bit 10" 1280 x 600 matte LCD - QuickPoint IV mouse - metal chassis with palm rest plastic - 15GB 2.5 inch drive and SR 8175 8X DVD-ROM drive - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Lifebook S7000 S7010 S7010D S2020 || <!--Chipset-->Pentium M 1.6 or 1.7GHz || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA - Intel 855}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|AC97 with STAC 9751T or 9767 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros, Broadcom or Intel 2200BG - FN,F10}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit 14.1 inch with minimal support |- | <!--Name-->Lifebook e8010 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Intel 855GM}} || <!--Audio-->AC97 STAC9767 or ALC203 codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom NetXtreme BCM5705M}} || <!--Wireless-->Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.3.1 || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit 15.1 inch |- | <!--Name-->Stylistic ST5000 ST5010 ST5011 ST5012 ST5020 ST5021 ST5022 || <!--Chipset-->1.0GHz P-M and later 1.1GHz on Intel 855GME || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->Intel 800 use VESA || <!--Audio-->Intel AC97 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom BCM5788 tg3 || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 2200BG}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit charged via a proprietary port power connector 16V 3.75A with wacom serial pen interface - indoor Screen transmissive 10.1 and later 12.1 XGA TFT - |- | <!--Name-->Amilo Pro V2010 || <!--Chipset-->VIA CN400 PM880 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{No|S3 unichrome use VESA}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|VIA AC97 VT8237 with codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Rhine 6102 6103 || <!--Wireless-->RaLink RT2500 || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit boot mount - unknown bootstrap error then crashes |- | <!--Name-->Amilo Li 1705 CN896 || <!--Chipset--> with VIA P4M900 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|IDE}} || <!--Gfx-->ATi || <!--Audio-->{{No|VIA VT8237 HD Audio with codec}} || <!--USB-->VT82xx 62xx || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|VIA Rhine}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros G}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit random freezes |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> Esprimo Mobile V5535 Skt mPGA 478MN | <!--Chipset--> | <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE and EIDE}} | <!--SATA--> {{maybe|IDE mode with SIS 5513}} | <!--Gfx--> {{maybe|SiS 771 / 671 (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{yes|HD Audio SIS968 SIS966 SI7012 with ALC268 codec}} | <!--USB--> {{no|USB 1.1 and 2.0 issues}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|SiS 191 gigabit}} | <!--Wireless--> {{yes|Atheros AR5001 mini pci express}} | <!--Test Distro-->aros one 1.5 usb | <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 20v barrel - f2 setup f12 multi boot - random freezing short time after booting - chipset SIS 671MX - |- | <!--Name-->Amilo SI 1520 1521p || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 2D}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio Conexant codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Intel Pro 100}} || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.4.2 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit - Set Bios option ATA Control Mode to Compatible |- | <!--Name-->Lifebook S7020 S7020D || <!--Chipset--> Pentium M 740 1.73MHz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 915 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC260 codec || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom BCM5751M Gigabit || <!--Wireless-->Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG or Atheros 5k || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Stylistic ST5030 ST5031 ST5032 || <!--Chipset-->1 to 1.2GHx Pentium M with 915GM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->Intel 900 || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Marvell || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit charged via a proprietary port power connector 6.0 x 4.4 mm round - 200 pin ddr2 ram |- | <!--Name-->Stylistic ST5110 ST5111 ST5112 || <!--Chipset-->945GM with 1.2GHz Core Duo and Core2 Duo || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 900 || <!--Audio-->HD audio with STAC9228 codec || <!--USB-->{{No| }} || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 ABG or optional atheros || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 either 32 or 64 bit - charged via a proprietary port power connector 6.0 x 4.4 mm round - SigmaTel® touchscreen - |- | <!--Name-->E8110 S7110 E8210 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|945GM}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with ALC262 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8055 Gigabit}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel PRO Wireless 3945ABG}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.0 || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit Core Duo |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || CHIPSET || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Lifebook PH521 || <!--Chipset-->AMD E-350 E-450 1.65GHz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->HD 6310M 6320M || <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC269 || <!--USB-->{{No| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros 802.11 bgn}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 11.6 inch 1366x768 pixels - DDR3 1066MHz - |- | <!--Name-->LIFEBOOK E752/E782/S752/S782 || <!--Chipset--> with Intel Core i3-2328M to i3-3110M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Audio-->{{yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82579V 1000 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel Wireless 6205 may be able to swap for Atheros 5k }} || <!--Test Distro-->Aros One 64bit || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====HP Compaq==== [[#top|...to the top]] Build quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > Presario Pavilion Omnibook ProBook Armada Elitebook </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->1c00 series Compaq Presario [http://users.utu.fi/sjsepp/linuxcompaqarmada100s.html Armada 100S made by Mitac], 1247 || <!--Chipset-->K6-II with PE133 MVP-4 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use VESA - Trident Blade3D AGP sp16953 || <!--Audio-->VIA ac'97 audio [rev20] with AD1881A codec || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|usual VIA issues [rev10]}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit 192MB max - PCcard Texas PC1211 no support - 1200 XL1 1200-XL1xx, XL101, XL103 XL105 XL106 XL109 XL110 XL111 XL116 XL118 XL119 XL125 |- | <!--Name-->1c01 series Armada 110, Evo N150 || <!--Chipset-->Intel with VIA PLE133 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA - Trident Cyber Blade i1 chipset || <!--Audio-->VIA 686 rev20 82xxx 686a || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 82557 Pro 100 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit max 192mb sodimm 100Mhz 133Mhz ram memory - 1200-XL405A 12XL405A XL502A 12XL502A 1600XL |- | Armada M300 M700 E500 || 440BX || {{Yes| }} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|ATI Rage LT M1 Mobility (VESA only)}} || {{no|AC97 ESS Maestro 2E M2E ES1987 sound}} || {{yes|USB1.1 only}} || {{No|[http://perho.org/stuff/m300/index_en.html Intel PRO 100+ Mini PCI]}} || {{N/A}} || Aspire OS 2012, Nightly 30-01 2013 and 04-05 2013 || 1999 32bit - F10 bios options and Fn+F11 reset CMOS with 64mb ram already on board |- | <!--Name-->HP Omnibook XE3 || <!--Chipset-->Intel BX 600Mhz GC model 256mb or AMD GD 500Mhz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA - S3 Inc. 86C270 294 Savage IX-MV (rev 11) || <!--Audio-->{{No|ESS ES1988 Allegro 1 (rev 12)}} || <!--USB-->Intel 82371AB PIIX4 USB (rev 01) || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit no cardbus pcmcia support - no audio from Polk Audio Speakers - |- | <!--Name-->HP Omnibook XE3 || <!--Chipset-->82830 ICH3 P3-M 750MHz 800Mhz 900MHz || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA - CGC 830MG}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|ESS ES1988 Maestro 3i}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|only one 1.1 port}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|e100 82557}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A|}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.51 || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit Boots USB Stick via Plop boot floppy - Memory for GF 256-512mb, GS up 1GB |- | <!--Name-->TC1000 TC-1000 Tablet PC || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA NV11 [GeForce2 Go] (rev b2) || <!--Audio-->VIA AC97 Audio (rev 50) || <!--USB-->OHCI NEC USB 2.0 (rev 02) || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 82551 QM (rev 10) || <!--Wireless-->Atmel at76c506 802.11b || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit Transmeta LongRun (rev 03) with VT82C686 - Texas Instruments TI PCI1520 PC card Cardbus |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq R3000 ZV5000 (Compal LA-1851) || <!--Chipset-->Nvidia nForce 3 with AMD CPU || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Nvidia NV17 [GeForce4 420 Go 32M] || <!--Audio-->Nvidia || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom or Realtek RTL8139 || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Broadcom BCM4303 BCM4306 or Atheros bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - HPs have a setting to automatically disable wireless if a wired connection is detected |- | <!--Name-->Compaq [http://www.walterswebsite.us/drivers.htm Presario 700 series] || <!--Chipset-->VT8363 VT8365 [Apollo Pro KT133 KM133] || <!--IDE-->{{yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VT8636A (S3 Savage TwisterK) (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|VIA AC97 [rev50] with AD1886 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|VIA UHCI USB 1.1 [rev1a]}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RealTek RTL8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom BCM4306}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit poor consumer grade level construction - jbl audio pro speakers - no support for cardbus pcmcia TI PCI1410 - 700A EA LA UK US Z 701AP EA BR FR 701Z 702US 703US AP JP audio sp18895 Sp19472 |- |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | N400c || P3-M 82845 || {{yes|82801 CAM IDE U100}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|Rage Mobility 128 (VESA only)}} || {{No|Maestro 3 allegro 1}} || {{yes|USB1.1}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100 VM (KM)}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2003 32bit Has no optical disc drive |- | N410c || P3-M 82845 || {{yes|82801 CAM IDE U100}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|Radeon Mobility M7 LW 7500 (VESA only)}} || {{yes|Intel AC97 with AD1886 codec}} || {{yes|USB1.1}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100 VM (KM)}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2003 32bit Has no optical disc drive |- | Evo N600c || Pentium 4 || {{yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|ATI Radeon Mobility M7 (VESA only)}} || {{No|ESS ES1968 Maestro 2}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || {{dunno}} || Icaros 1.3 || 2003 32bit |- | Evo N610c || Pentium 4 || {{yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|ATI Radeon Mobility M7 (VESA only)}} || {{yes|Intel ICH AC97 with AD1886 codec}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || {{dunno}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || |- | N800c || P4 || {{Yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|ATI Radeon Mobility 7500 (VESA only)}} || {{yes|AC97}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2003 32bit P4M CPU can get very warm |- | <!--Name-->NX7010 || <!--Chipset-->Intel || <!--IDE-->{{yes|IDE}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|ATI mobility 7500 or 9000 Radeon 9200 64MB (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 ADI codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|uhci (1.1) and ehci (2.0)}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 2200b bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Compaq Preasrio V5000 (Compal LA-2771) || <!--Chipset-->AMD Sempron 3000+ or Turion ML with SB400 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA - Ati RS480M Xpress 200}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 ATI with Conexant CX 20468 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8100 8101L 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|bcm4318 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2004 64bit single core machine V5001 V5002 V5002EA V5003 |- | <!--Name-->TC1100 TC-1100 Tablet PC || <!--Chipset-->855PM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Nvidia Geforce4 Go || <!--Audio-->AC97 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|BCM 4400}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Atheros wlan W400 W500 or ? bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit |- | <!--Name-->NC6000 NC8000 NW8000 || <!--Chipset-->855PM with Pentium M 1.5 1.6 1.8GHz 2.0GHz || <!--IDE-->max 160 GB for NW 8000 || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Ati RV350 mobility 9600 M10 Fire GL T2 ISV use VESA 2D as no laptop display}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Intel AC97 with ADI codec playback only}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|2 ports}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM 5705M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|mini pci Atheros 5212 BG W400 W500 or Intel - all bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 based [http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=41916&forum=47 works] - Firewire TI TSB43AB22/A - 8 pound 2.5 kg travel weight - an SD slot as well as two PC Card slots - 15-inch UXGA screen (1,600 x 1,200) or 15" SXGA+ (1400 x 1050) (4:3 ratio) |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Compaq NC6110 NX6110 NC6120 NC6220 NC4200 NC8200 TC4200 || <!--Chipset-->GMA 915GML || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D GMA 900}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 with ADI AD1981B playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Unk|440x or BCM 5705M or 5751M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel IPW 2200 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.5.2 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit Sonoma based - Wifi with Atheros AR5007eg if apply hacked bios RISKY else use USB one - (INVENTEC ASPEN UMA MV) (INVENTEC ASPEN DIS PV) - |- | <!--Name-->Compaq C500 CTO aka HP G7000 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 945GM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with realtek ALC262 codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Broadcom BCM 4311 bios locked || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit |- | <!--Name-->HP DV6000 || <!--Chipset-->945GMS || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio IDT 92HD 91B || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel PRO 100 VE || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32 bit only - Mosfet FDS6679 common cause of shorts giving no power to the tip. To reset adapter, unplug from AC (mains) and wait 15-30 sec. Then plug in again - |- | Presario F700 series, HP G6000 f730us F750 F750us F755US F756NR F765em || AMD Turion Mono MK-36 2.0Ghz NForce 560m or Twin X2 TK-55 with nForce 610m MCP67 || {{N/A| }} || {{Yes|but needs special sata adapt bit and caddy}} || {{Yes|GF Go 7000m 2D and 3D 640x350 to 1280x800 - ball solder issues due to poor cooling}} || {{Maybe| }} || {{Maybe|uhci and ehci boots}} || {{No|Nvidia }} || {{Yes|Atheros AR5007 bios locked}} || Icaros 1.3.1 and Aros One 1.6 USB || 2006 64bit - f9 boot device f10 bios setup - random freezes after a minutes use means internal ventilation maintenance needed each year essential - No sd card and overall limited phoenix bios options - |- | <!--Name-->Presario v6604au v6608au V3500 || <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA MCP67M with AMD Athlon64 X2 TK 55 amd 1.8ghz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|SATA 150}} || <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA GeForce Go 7150M 630i or C67 630M MCP67 || <!--Audio-->conexant codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Nvidia or Realtek 10/100 || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom 4311 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 64bit Altec Lansing Stereo Speakers - ball solder issues - |- | <!--Name-->Compaq presario v6610 v6615eo v6620us || <!--Chipset-->Turion 64 X2 mobile TK-55 / 1.8 GHz to athlon 64x2 @ 2.4ghz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|SATA 150}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|geforce 7150 or 7300m 2d and 3d}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AMD HD Audio with IDT codec stereo playback only}} || <!--USB-->3 OHCI EHCI || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.3 - || <!--Comments-->2007 [http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=40956&forum=48 works well] - 1 x ExpressCard/54 - SD Card slot - AO4407 test voltage of the Drain side (pins 5-8) with AC adapter and no battery, see 0 volts, connect the battery you should have 10-14v - |- | <!--Name-->v6630em v6642em || <!--Chipset-->nForce 630M with AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-58 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA GeForce 6150M or 7150M || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit 15.4 in 1280 x 800 ( WXGA ) - |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq NC6400 || <!--Chipset-->945GM Core Duo || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|GMA 950 2D issues and no 3d}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio AD1981HD}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|BCM }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros || <!--Comments-->2007 - replaced with Atheros AR5007eg if apply hacked bios RISKY else use USB g - * 32bit Core Duo T2400 * 64bit Core 2 Duo T5600 T7600 |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq NV NC6400 || <!--Chipset-->Core Duo + 945PM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Radeon x1300M (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with ADI1981 low volume}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|BCM 5753M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 ABG bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.4.2 || <!--Opinion-->2007 Harmon Kardon speakers |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq NC6320 || <!--Chipset-->945GM with * 32bit Core Duo 1.83GHz T2400 * 64bit Core2 Duo 1.83GHz T5600 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 950 2D with a little 3D tunnel 213}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel HD Audio with AD1981HD codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|BCM 5788}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2 || <!--Comments-->2007 replaced with Atheros AR5007eg if applying hacked wifi bios RISKY!! else use USB - 14.1" or 15 inch XGA 1024x768 - noisy cpu fan for core2 - trackpad rhs acts as window scroller - |- | <!--Name-->HP NC4400 TC4400 Tablet || <!--Chipset-->Core Duo with 82945 chipset || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|bios F.07 limits to 100GB 120GB}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|2D and 3D 282 tunnel and gearbox 150}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with ADI 1981HD codec via ear phones}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|BCM 5753M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 or BCM 4306 - Whitelist BIOS F.0C needed but risky}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments-->2008 64 bit possible with Core2 - TI SD card reader non bootable - wacom serial digitiser pen not working - * 32bit 1.86GHz core duo * 64bit 2Ghz T7200, 2.16Ghz Core 2 Duo T7600 2.33GHz |- | <!--Name-->HP Pavilion DV2000 CTO || <!--Chipset-->945GMS || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950, X3100, Nvidia 8400M || <!--Audio-->HD Audio Conexant CX 20549 Venice || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Nvidia MCP51 || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM 4311 or Intel 3945 4965 ABG bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 Atheros AR5007eg if apply hacked bios RISKY |- | <!--Name-->Compaq Presario C700 || <!--Chipset-->GMA960 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->X3100 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8139 || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Atheros AR5007 AR5001 AR242x}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 |- | <!--Name-->Compaq 2510p 6510b 6710b 6910b || <!--Chipset-->GMA 965GM GL960 || <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|X3100 some 2d but slow software 3d only}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio ADI AD1981 HD low volume on head phones}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82566 or Broadcom BCM 5787M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945ABG or 4965ABG bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aspire OS Xenon 2014 || <!--Comments-->2008 no sd card boot support - F9 to choose boot option - [http://forums.mydigitallife.info/threads/7681-This-is-no-request-thread!-HP-COMPAQ-bioses-how-to-modify-the-bios/page111?p=333358#post333358 whitelist removal (risky) bios block for wifi card swap] |- | <!--Name-->CQ40 CQ41 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Intel}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8101E || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BC4310 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 |- | <!--Name-->Compaq Presario CQ35 CQ36 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4312 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 Compal LA-4743P - |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq CQ42 CQ43 CQ45 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with Coxenant codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8191SE, Realtek 8188CE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 (Quanta AX1) |- | <!--Name-->Compaq Presario CQ50 CQ56 || <!--Chipset-->Nvidia MCP78S || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Geforce 8200M || <!--Audio-->nVidia HD Audio with codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->nvidia MCP77 || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR928X bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 [http://donovan6000.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/insyde-bios-modding-wifi-and-wwan-whitelists.html bios modding risky] MCP72XE MCP72P MCP78U MCP78S |- | <!--Name-->CQ60 || <!--Chipset-->Single core Sempron to dual turion || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Nvidia 8200M}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 |- | <!--Name-->HP DV6700 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{no|Vesa for Nvidia 8400M}} || <!--Audio-->{{no| }} || <!--USB-->{{no| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->CQ60 || <!--Chipset-->Intel C2D || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Nvidia 9200M}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->CQ57z || <!--Chipset-->AMD slow E-300 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA ATi HD 6310 wrestler}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek RTL8101 RTL8102}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RaLink RT5390}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->HP CQ58z 103SA E5K15EA || <!--Chipset-->AMD slow Dual-Core E1-1500 APU with A68M FCH || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Radeon HD 7310}} || <!--Audio-->Realtek idt codec || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek 10/100 BASE-T}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 39.6 cm (15.6") HD BrightView LED-backlit (1366 x 768) |- | <!--Name-->HP 635 DM1 || <!--Chipset-->AMD slow E-300, E-450 later E2-1800 on SB7x0 SB8x0 SB9x0 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->ATI non efi SATA AHCI - IDE mode || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA 2D - AMD HD6310, 6320 to HD7340}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Realtek ALC270A GR but not Wrestler HDMI Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 driver covers Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 14" 1366 x 768 - f9 f10 - external battery - 2 stacked ddr3l sodimm slots max 16Gb under one base plate - removable keyboard - |- | <!--Name-->HP G6 2000-2b10NR 2000-2d10SX 2000-2d80NR || <!--Chipset-->AMD very slow E1-2000 E2-3000M on A50M (soldered) A4-3305A on A60M (socket) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2.5in || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD Radeon 6320, 6620G, 6520G, 6480G, 6380G}} || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{No| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek 100 1000}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 39.6-cm (15.6-in) HD LED BrightView (1366×768) - 1 or 2 ddr3l max 8G - 19VDC 3.42A Max 65W Tip 7.4mm x 5.0mm - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 6465B || <!--Chipset-->AMD massively slow A6-3310MX or A6-3410MX with A60M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD 6480G or 6520G}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|IDT 92HD81B1X}} || <!--USB-->{{No| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek 8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel AC 6205 or broadcom 4313 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 13-inch or 14-inch runs hot - |- | <!--Name-->HP Elitebook 8470p 8570p || <!--Chipset-->Intel Quad i7-3840QM, i7-3610QM, i7-3520M, i5-3210M, i3-3130M, i3-2370M on Intel QM77 chipset || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|set the bios boot options to not fastboot and drive mode IDE rather than AHCI }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for HD4000 with some having switchable Radeon M2000 or 7570M}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio for IDT codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel 82579LM }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel, Broadcom, Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro-->64 bit boots from CD* if safe mode 2 is used, although it is possible to remove the 'nodma' and 'debug' entries and boot || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit with SSE4.1 and AVX - 14in 1600 x 900 to 1366 x 768 - 2 DDR3L sodimm slots max 16Gb - TPM 1.2 - dual boot 32/64 bit is working fine - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 6475b, Probook 4445s 4545s, HP Pavilion 15-b115sa, [https://support.hp.com/gb-en/document/c04015674#AbT6 HP mt41 Mobile Thin Client PC] || <!--Chipset-->AMD very slow A4 4300M, A6 4400M 4455M or A8 4500M with AMD A70M A76M FCH || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 7420 7520G 7640G 7660G}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio with idt or realtek codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek RTL8151FH-CG}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 6205 or Broadcom BCM 43228 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 15.6-inch - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->HP ENVY 15-k112nl K1Y78EA || <!--Chipset-->Intel® Core™ i7 i7-4510U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->Intel HD4400 and/without NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 850M || <!--Audio-->{{maybe| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwood usb3 test iso || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - 15.6" 768p to 1080p - 19.5V 3.33A (65w) 4.62A (90W) 6.15A (120W) AC - |- | <!--Name-->HP Pavilion Gaming Laptop 15-ak002na || <!--Chipset-->Intel 4 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GTX 950 || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 255 G1, 455 G1 F2P93UT#ABA, 645 G1, Envy 15-j151ea G7V80EA, Envy m6-1310sa (E4R01EA#ABU) || <!--Chipset-->AMD very slow Dual-Core E1-1500, or AMD Quad A4-4300M A8-4500M A10-4600M A4-5150M A6-5350M 2.9Ghz A10-5750M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for 7310, 7420G 7520G 7640G 7660G 8350G 8450G or 8550G, 8650G, 8750G }} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio IDT 92HD91 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|realtek}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 14in and 15in 1366 x 768 - external battery - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots - 19.5v / 4.62A psu runs hot - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 245 G4, 255 G2, 455 G2, 255 G3, 455 G3, 255 G4 80CB, 255 G5 82F6, 355 G2, HP Pavilion 15-p038na 15-g092sa 15-p091sa 15-G094S 15-p144na 15-p142na, 15-Af156sa || <!--Chipset-->AMD very slow A4-5000 A6-5200, E2-6110, E1-6010 E2-2000, E1-2100 E2-3800, A4-6210 A6-6310 A8-6410, E2-7110, A6-7310 A8-7410 APU on A68M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata some with cdrw dvdrw || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon R2 R4 R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio ALC3201-GR}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8102E or Atheros 1GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Qualcomm Atheros AR9565}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit most have SSE4 AVX but E2-2000 does not - 15.6-inch (1366 x 768) - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots - small 31Whr or 41Whr external battery covers 240 G4, 245 G4, 250 G4, 255 G4, 256 G4, 14G, 15G - keyboard repair swap requires removal of all components - |- | <!--Name-->HP Elitebook 725 G2, 745 G2, 755 G2 || <!--Chipset-->Amd Quad very slow A6-7050B A8-7150B 1.9GHz A10-7350B || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA on AMD R4 R5 Radeon R6 with DP and vga}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD audio with IDT 92HD91}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 PCIe GBE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom or Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 12.5-inch, 14" or 15.6in (all 1366 x 768) - 19.5V 65w 45W AC adapter - internal pull up tab battery under base which slides off - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots - keyboard swap requires removal of all components - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 645 g2, Probook 445 G2, Probook 245 G2 most have cmos rtc battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD very slow A6-8600 A8-8700 a10- || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Radeon R5 R6}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel I219V 100/1000}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel or Qualcomm Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 14in and 15.6-inch HD (1366 x 768) or FHD 1080p - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots max 16GB - internal battery - hp ac psu tip - |- | <!--Name-->HP Probook 455 G3 should have a cmos battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD slow A10-8700P || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 2.5in sata and most should have 9.5mm dvd-rw || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Radeon R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with Conexant CX7501 codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111HSH-CG}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|RTL8188EE }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP Elitebook 725 G3, 745 G3, 755 G3, 725 G4, 745 G4, 755 G4, HP mt43 || <!--Chipset-->Amd slow A8-8600B, A10-8700B, A12-8800B to Quad A8 Pro 9600B to A10 9800 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA on AMD R5 R6 R7 with DP and vga but screen is low res, dull colours, and blurry}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD audio with IDT codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom 5762 PCIe GBE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek RTL8723BE-VB}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 12.5-inch (1366 x 768) to 14" and 15.6in - 2 sodimm ddr3 - 19.5V 45W AC slim 4.5mm hp adapter - randomly shuts down and the noisy fans constantly on - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 645 G3, 655 G3 should have a cmos rtc battery underside of mb || <!--Chipset-->AMD 8th Gen slow A10-8730B, A8-9600B (4c4t) A6-8530B (2c2t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d for AMD R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel or Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 15.6in - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - keyboard repair swap requires removal of all components - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 250 G5 easy cmos and external main battery || <!--Chipset-->Intel i7-6500U, i5-6200U, i3-6100U to slow i3-6006U, N3710 all sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2D for iGPU Intel HD405 to HD520 dGPU skylake or AMD Radeon R5 430M}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek ALC3227 (or ALC282) codec 0x0282 }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' latest usb3 test iso with noacpi || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 15.6 inch 768p - HP ac psu - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 250 G6 SL52 LA-E801P - easy cmos battery and external battery || <!--Chipset-->Intel dual core tested '''i5-7200U''' untested i7-7500U to very slow N3060 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|ahci on M.2 sata or 2.5in sata3 whichever installed with 1 m.2 sata3 permanent and internal dvdrw}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|IG: 480p to 1080p 2D for Intel Intel HD Graphics 620 kabylake or AMD Radeon 520}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio 0x8086, 0xa170 or 0x8086, 0x9dc8 with ALC3227 aka ALC282 codec 0x10EC, x0282}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|intel sunrise point-lp USB3.0 xHCI}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RTL8821CE or Intel wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' latest usb3 D03 test iso with noacpi || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit 768p or 1080p - 19.5V 65W - 2 DDR4 sodimm slots max 16Gb - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - poor hinges and build quality - |- | <!--Name-->HP Pavilion 14-BS, HP 15-BS LA-E802P cmos battery and external battery || <!--Chipset-->Intel i3-7200U to slow Celeron || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata 2.5in (possibly requires the drive cable and M.2 sata3, most have no cdrw dvdrw}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d for Intel}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x8086, 0x9d70 with ALC codec 0x10EC, x0}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RTL8188CTV, RTL8821CE or Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 3168}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' latest usb3 test iso || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit 768p all - 19.5V 65W - DDR4 slot max 8Gb - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->HP 14-bw022na - cmos coin battery and external battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD very slow A6-9120 APU || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->m.2 sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for R3}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HDAudio VOID with conexant CX7501 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 not working but port on the right works}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' latest usb3 test iso with noacpi || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit 768p to 900p - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP Probook 455 G4, Probook 455 G5, cmos battery on underside of mb take off back cover and below wifi card || <!--Chipset-->AMD very slow A10-9600P APU, A9-9410, A6-9210 APU || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon R4, R5 or R6}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|realtek 1GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|realtek or intel Wireless-AC 7265}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit 15.6in 768p - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - keyboard swap problematic - rr03xl battery - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 255 G6 (), easy cmos and external battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD very slow E2-9000e, A9-9420, 9220P, A4-9125 (all 2c) AMD A6-9225 AMD A9-9425 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata 2.5in (possibly requires the drive cable and M.2 sata3 and internal cdrw dvdrw}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d for R2 R3 R4}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x1022, 0x157a or 0x1002, 0x15b3 with ALC codec 0x10EC, x0}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RTL8188CTV, RTL8821CE or Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 3168}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit 768p all - 19.5V 65W - DDR4 slot max 8Gb - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 255 G7 (la-g078p) - no cmos battery so needs internal battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD very slow E2-9000e, A9-9420, 9220P, A4-9125 (all 2c) AMD A6-9225 AMD A9-9425 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata 2.5in (possibly requires the drive cable and M.2 sata3, most have no internal cdrw dvdrw}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d for R2 R3 R4}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x1022, 0x157a or 0x1002, 0x15b3 with ALC codec 0x10EC, x0}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RTL8188CTV, RTL8821CE or Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 3168}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit 768p all - 19.5V 65W - DDR4 slot max 8Gb - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->ProBook 245 g8 - no cmos rtc coin battery but uses internal battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD very slow A6-9225, A4-9125, A6-8350B, A4-5350B APU || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->m.2 sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA R4 R6}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HDAudio}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' latest usb3 test iso || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit 768p - many later variants - keyboard swap problematic - |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Probook 255 G7 84AE 7DE72EA 7DE73EA (epv51 la-g076p) - CMOS Error (502) replace main internal battery HT03XL to have bios remember settings || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 2200U 2300U (2c4t), R5 2500U, R7 2700U (4c8t) Raven Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|M.2 (Sata or NVMe) and very optional 2.5in sata, most have mini sata port}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d 640p to 768p for AMD Vega 3, 6, or 8}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio 0x1022, 0x15e3 with ALC236 0x10ec, 0x0236 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek RTL8821CE, 8822BE or Intel AC 8265}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS x64 deadwoods' iso does not boot with cd/dvd and installed to 2.5in ssd, boots to grub choice, select but no further and reboots || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit - 12.5 to 15.6in 768p mostly to 1080p - 1 on smaller laptops or 2 ddr4 2400mhz sodimm slots on larger laptops max 16Gb - hp 4.5mm blue tip charging - keyboard swap problematic - esc boot options f9 boot order f10 bios - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteBook 725 G5, 735 G5, 745 G5, 755 G5, Probook 455 G6, ProBook 645 G6 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 2200U 2300U (2c4t), R5 2500U, R7 2700U (4c8t) Raven Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|M.2 (Sata or NVMe) and very optional 2.5in sata, some have mini sata port but no cdrw dvdrw}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d 640p to 768p for AMD Vega 3, 6, or 8}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x1022, 0x15e3 with ALC 0x10ec, 0x0 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek RTL8821CE, 8822BE or Intel AC 8265}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit - 12.5 to 15.6in 768p mostly to 1080p - 1 on smaller laptops or 2 ddr4 2400mhz sodimm slots on larger laptops max 16Gb - hp 4.5mm blue tip charging - keyboard swap problematic - esc boot options f9 boot order f10 bios - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->HP 14-cm, 15-bw0, HP 15-db0043na, HP 15-db0996na, HP 15-db0997na, 17-ca0007na, 17-ca1, ProBook 645 G4 - no cmos battery || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 2200U (2c 4t) 2500U (4c 8t) with AMD Carrizo FCH 51 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|1 M.2 and 1 2.5in on some larger models and hdd port }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon R5 and later Vega 3 or 7}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDaudio 0x1002, 0x103c or 0x1022, 0x157a with Realtek ALC3227 0x10ec, 0x0282 but ATI HDMI}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|USB3 USB boot drive stuck on kitty's eyes}} || <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 RTL8111E || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RTL 8723DE 8821 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->2020 Icaros 2.3 USB, Deadwoods' latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit 2kg - screen is dim 14in, 15.6in or 17.3" 768p or 1080p - 65W 19.5V ac adapter - internal 3-cell 41 Wh Li-ion battery does not last long - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - no DVD-Writer - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 250 G7, 250 G8 - no cmos battery so needs internal battery and needs usb3 boot due to garbage bios boot options || <!--Chipset-->Intel 8235U 8265U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|M.2 nvme not working, optional sata 2.5in requires LS-G072P and ribbon cable, if internal cdrw dvdrw partial boot}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Intel Whiskey Lake-U 620 GT2 UHD}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x8086, 0xa170 or 0x8086, 0x9dc8 with ALC236 codec 0x10EC, x0236}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|Cannon Point-LP USB3.1 xHCI}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RTL8821CE or Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 3168}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' latest usb3 test 2026.09.D01 iso works but does not boot stuck on kittys eyes if burnt to dvdr || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit 1080p all - 19.5V 65W - DDR4 slot max 16Gb - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - f9 boot order f10 uefi - |- | <!--Name-->HP 255 G7 7DC73EA 2D200EA 87CE (fpp55 la-g07jp), - CMOS Error (502) replace 41.04Wh ht03xl hto3xl dynapack suzhou main battery to have bios remember settings || <!--Chipset-->'''tested''' R5 3500U (4c8t) '''untested''' mostly dual cores - AMD Athlon Gold 3150U (2c2t), Silver 3050U APU (2c2t), Ryzen 3 Pro 3145U APU, 3200U (2c4t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|1 m.2 NVMe or sata3 up to 2280, optional 2.5in sata, many have mini-sata slimline 6+7 internal port but no physical 9mm drive}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D from 640p to 1080p for AMD Vega 3, 6 or 8 with up to 2gb ram taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio 0x1022, 0x15e3 with realtek ALC236 codec 0x10ec, 0x0236}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 but no usb-c}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek GbE RTL8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek 8822BE}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 Aros One 32bit and 64bit usb works sometimes but burnt dvdr iso does not fully boot (stuck on kitty's eyes) || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14in / 15.6in dim tn panel 768p or 1080p - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots max 16gb - hp 19.5V 45W 65W AC blue tip round 4.5 mm - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - caps lock blinking 3 times then 2 quick pulses means ram or bios issue - f9 boot order f10 uefi - laptop needs usb3 to boot |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 450 G5 needs main battery for bios settings saved || <!--Chipset-->Intel i7-8550U, i5-8250U, i3-8130U, i7-7500U, i5-7200U, i3-7100U, i3-7020, i3-6006U all sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2D for Intel UHD}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' latest usb3 test iso with noacpi || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 15.6 inch 768p or 1080p - HP ac psu, 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - |- | <!--Name-->[https://support.hp.com/gb-en/document/c06955717 ProBook 245 g8], Probook 445R G6, 455R G6, HP14-dk0599sa, pavilion 15-cw1511na 15-cw1507sa, HP 15s-eq1516sa no cmos battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon Gold 3150U (2c2t), Silver 3050U APU (2c2t), Ryzen 3 Pro 3145U APU, 3200U (2c4t) and 3500U (4c8t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|1 m.2 (NVMe or sata3 up to 2280), optional 2.5in sata but resets}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D from 640p to 1080p for AMD Vega 3, 6 or 8 with up to 2gb ram taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio 0x1022, 0x15e3 with realtek ALC codec 0x10ec, 0x0}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek GbE RTL8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek 8822BE}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aros || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14in / 15.6in dim tn panel 768p or 1080p - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots max 16gb - hp 19.5V 45W 65W AC blue tip round 4.5 mm - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - f9 boot order f10 uefi |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 450 G6 needs main battery for bios settings saved || <!--Chipset-->Intel i7-8565U, i5-8265U, i3-8165U all sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2D for Intel UHD 620}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek ALC3246 aka ALC295 codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 15.6 inch 768p or 1080p - 45W 19.5V HP ac psu - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->Elitebook 735 G6 5VA23AV, Elitebook 745 G6, 255 g8, HP 15s-dy - no cmos battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD® Ryzen™ 5-3500U Ryzen 3-3300U AMD Ryzen 3-3250U AMD Athlon® Gold 3150U AMD Athlon Silver 3050U AMD 3020e || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|m.2 2280 nvme in legacy - hp sure start and secure boot disabled but still issues with gpt installs - LS-H323P LS-K201P}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Vega 8, 5 or 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 6.34 ahi with realtek ALC codec 0x10EC, 0x0295}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 type-A port boots stick partially to kitty eyes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|rtl8169 realtek RTL8111E or 8111H}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|realtek or intel}} || <!--Test Distro-->2020 Icaros 2.3 onto USB and AROS One 1.8 USB, Deadwoods' latest usb3 test iso with noacpi || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 15.6in 1366x768 to 1920x1080 - 2 3200MHz DDR4 sodimms - 19.5V 2.31A or 20V 2.25 45W 4.5X3.0MM hp - esc bios setup, f9 boot device select - low travel keyboard - poor hw03xl or battery life - plastic hooked base with retained screws - touchpad? - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 445 G7, 455 G7 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 4300U 5 4500U 4700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 sata and 1 nvme || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with realtek alc236 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|realtek rtl8111ep}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|realtek RTL8822CE or intel AC 9260 or Wi-Fi 6 AX200}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' latest usb3 test iso || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 14 inch 768p or 1080p - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - smart 45w 65w hp or usb-c charging - keyboard swap problematic - RE03XL battery - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 450 G7 || <!--Chipset-->Intel || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2D for Intel UHD}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111EP}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' latest usb3 test iso with noacpi || <!--Comments-->2020 15.6 inch 768p or 1080p - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteBook 745 G7, 845 G7, HP 15-EH0006NA || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 4300U, 5 4500U, PRO 4650U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->SSD M.2 || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD Radeon Vega 8}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|Hdaudio with codec 0x10EC, 0x0257}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 15.6in 1080p - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - Bang & Olufsen speakers - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 255 G8, HP 245 G9, ProBook 255 G9 816C2EA#ABE, - no cmos battery only internal battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD RYZEN 3 5300u, 5425U, 5 5500U 5625U, 7 5700u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|NVMe}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD Vega 6 or 8 hdmi 1.4B}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111HSH-CG GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8822CE or Intel}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 14" to 15.6in 768p to 1080p poor gamut - 45 or 65w hp psu - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots max 16GB - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 450 G9 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2D for Intel Iris Xe}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111H}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 15.6 inch - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteBook 645 g7, 835 G8, 845 g8, HP ENVY x360 13 15, HP 17-cp0021na || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 5650U, 7 5800U, R7 Pro 5850U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD Radeon}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio 0x, 0x with ALC3247 aka ALC236 codec 0x10ec, 0x0236}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek 1Gbe on 645 only}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 13.3" or 14" 1080p - poor screens low nits and srgb score - 845 gets hot ue to poor cooling - slim round hp ac - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP Dev One, HP ProBook 455 G8 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 7 5800U, R7 5850U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit 15.6" 1080p - 2 internal sodimm slots - hp barrel charging - |- | <!--Name-->Elitebook 655 g9 669y1ut#aba, || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 5675U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit 15.6" 1080p - 1 or 2 internal sodimm slots - usb-c charging - |- | <!--Name-->HP probook 635 Aero G8 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 5600U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2921 64bit - 14in 1080p - 2 ddr4 slots - ec chip nuvoton NPCX797HA1B - bios winbond 250256JYEN - |- | <!--Name-->HP PROBOOK X360 435 G8 cmos battery || <!--Chipset-->RYZEN 5 5600U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2D }} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HDaudio with ALC236 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|RTL8822CE or Intel AX200}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - hp round ac plug - |- | <!--Name-->HP Elitebook 845 g9 || <!--Chipset-->AMD 6000 series 6850u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->M.2 NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 8}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }}Qualcomm Atheros || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit aluminum case - 14in 1080p to 2140p 16:10 poor screen again - 2 internal ddr5 sodimm slots - usb-c ac charging avoid any knocks - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 445 G10, 455 G10 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 7530U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Vega 7 || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 15.6in - hp round ac - |- | <!--Name-->Hp 455 G11 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 7335U (4c8t), 5 7535U (6c12t), 7 7735U (8c16t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Vega 7 || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 35.6 cm (14.0 in) 1920x1200 or 2560x1600 - usb-c 45w or 65w ac - 2 ddr5 sodimm slots max 32gb - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |} ====IBM/Lenovo==== [[#top|...to the top]] Build quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > iSeries Edge Ideapad Thinkpad - good cases and construction but electronic internals same as anyone else </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad 390X 390E (2626) || <!--Chipset-->Neo Magic MM2200 with C400 P2-266 to P3 500MHz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use VESA || <!--Audio-->{{No|256AV or ESS Solo-1}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad 600x || <!--Chipset-->Intel 440BX || <!--IDE-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Neomagic NM2360 MagicMedia 256ZX}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|Crystal CS4297A codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.3.1 || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit a little support - earlier 600 and 600e were Pentium 2 based |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X20 (2662-32U) X21 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 440 BX ZX DX || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio-->{{no|AC97 with Cirrus Logic Crystal cs4281}} || <!--USB-->1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->no mini pci intel e100 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit |- | Thinkpad T20 (2647) T21 (26) T22 || 440BX || {{Maybe| }} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|Savage IX-MV (VESA only)}} || {{no|Cirrus Logic CS 4614/22/ 24/30}} || {{yes|USB 1.1}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2002 32bit |- | <!--Name-->A21e (2628, 2655) A22e || <!--Chipset-->440MX || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Ati rage mobility || <!--Audio-->{{no|AC97 Cs4299 CS4229}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->intel e100 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2002 |- | Thinkpad T23 (2647) || i810 || {{yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|S3 Super Savage IX/C SDR (VESA only)}} || {{maybe|AC'97 CS4299}} || {{yes|USB 1.1}} || {{yes|Intel ICH3 PRO 100 VE}} || {{no|Realtek RTL8180L others with bios hacking risky}} || || 2003 32bit with some support |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X22 X23 X24 || <!--Chipset-->830 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ATi Mobility M6 LY || <!--Audio-->Ac97 CS4299 || <!--USB-->2 x 1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->Intel Pro 100 || <!--Wireless-->Actiontec Harris Semi Intersil Prism 2.5 (X23 and X24 only) || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit with slice Ultrabase X2 - |- | <!--Name-->A30 A30p || <!--Chipset-->830 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Ati Radeon M6 || <!--Audio-->AC97 CS 4299 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel Pro 100 ve || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 2200 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit |- | <!--Name-->A31 A31p R31 R32 T30 || <!--Chipset-->830 || <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Gfx-->Ati Radeon 7500 or FireGL || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 Intel with AD1881A codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes| Intel Pro 100 ve}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->[https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Android-Ecosystem-Developers/AROS-An-operation-system-inside-Android/td-p/1441741 Icaros 1.5.2] || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit Also tested with Icaros 2.0.3. |- | Thinkpad X30 (2673) X31 (2884-xx2) X31t || i830 || {{yes}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|VESA only Radeon M6 Mobility}} || {{yes|AC97 - AD1981B codec}} || {{yes|USB 1.1}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || {{no|Cisco Aironet or Intel 2915 but atheros with bios hacking}} || Icaros 1.4 || 2004 32bit sound bit distorted |- | <!--Name-->R50e R51 || <!--Chipset-->855M || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Intel 855M use VESA}} || <!--Audio-->intel AC97 with AD1981B codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Intel 100 VE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit - |- | IBM Thinkpad T40 (2373) T41 T41p (2379) T42 T42p T43 T43p || Intel 8xx || {{partial|PIO}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|ATI mobility 7500 9000 (VESA only)}} || {{yes|AC97 playback}} || {{yes|uhci 1.1 and ehci 2.0}} || {{no|e1000}} || {{Maybe|Intel 2200bg bios locked but possible AR5BMB-44 AR5212 FRU 39T0081 mini PCI}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2004 32bit 16v IBM plug - Centrino Needs ATA=nodma option - issues with the inner chip of the SMT BGA graphics chip |- | Thinkpad X32 || i855 || {{yes|40, 60 or 80GB 2.5" PATA HDD}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|VESA only ATI Mobility Radeon 7000 with 16MB}} || {{maybe| Intel AC'97 Audio with a AD1981B codec}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{no|Intel 1000}} || {{no|Intel 2200 but atheros with bios hacking}} || 2016 Icaros 2.1 || 2004 32bit - 12.1" TFT display with 1024x768 resolution; 256 or 512MB PC2700 memory standard (2GB max) |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X40 X40t by Quanta || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Intel 800 (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 AD1981B}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel e1000}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Intel but most atheros with bios hacking - difficult though}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit last IBM design |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X41 (IBM) MT 1864 1865 2525 2526 2527 2528 x41t (Lenovo) MT 1866 1867 || <!--Chipset-->Intel with single core 1.5 1.6 and tablet 1.2GHz || <!--IDE-->{{yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel 915GML 2D}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 AD1981B}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5751M tg3}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Intel or MiniPCI Wi-Fi Atheros AR5BMB FRU 39T0081 but ordinary atheros 54meg needs risky bios hacking}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit - amongst first Lenovo design - 3pin cmos - |- | <!--Name-->R52 (most 18xx) || <!--Chipset-->Intel 915 || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel 915GML 2D}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 AD1981B}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit |- | <!--Name-->R52 1846, 1847, 1848, 1849, 1850, 1870 || <!--Chipset-->ATi 200m || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{No|ATI}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 AD1981B}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5751M tg3}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad T60 T60P * 64bit - 6 or 8 is 16:10 on T60/p, eg. 8742-CTO 15.4" * 32bit - 1 and 2 are 14", 15" 4:3, like 2007-YM3 or 1952-CTO || <!--Chipset-->*any* T60/p will take a Core 2 Duo CPU with newer BIOS || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA (2D) with "p" graphics card (ATi V5200 or V5250) || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || {{no|e1000e 82573L}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel ipw3945 ABG but atheros with Middleton's or Zender BIOS hacking risky}} || Icaros 1.4 || <!--Comments-->2006 - |- | <!--Name-->X60 x60s x60t tablet || <!--Chipset-->945GMS 940GML || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|AD1981 HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel 3945 ABG or fru 39T5578 Atheros 5K AR5BXB6 ar5007eg with bios hacking}} || <!--Comments-->Icaros 1.4 || 2006 32bit - perhaps needs a zendered bios update but risky |- | <!--Name-->R60 R60e || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->intel 950 with optional radeon x1300 x1400 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with 1981HD codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel or Broadcom || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Intel 3945 or atheros fru 39T5578 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit |- | Thinkpad T61 T61p without Middleton's or Zender BIOS || Core 2 Duo CPU T7300 T8300 || {{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || Intel GMA (2D), NVS 140m or Quadro FX 570M () || {{maybe|HD Audio with Analog Devices AD1984 or AD1984A HD Audio Codec routed to the line output}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || {{no|intel e1000e 82573L}} || {{No|Intel but atheros with bios hacking risky}} || Icaros 1.6, AROS One || 2007 64bit |- | <!--Name-->X61 x61s X61T Tablet || <!--Chipset-->Core Duo T8100 on i965 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 3100 (2D) slow 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|AD1984 HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82566DM}} || <!--Wireless-->{{maybe|Atheros AR5212 (some revisions use Intel WLAN runs very hot) bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->2007 64bit ultrabook running very hot - ddr2 max 4gb - 3pin cmos - |- | <!--Name-->R61 R61i || <!--Chipset-->Intel 965 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->intel 965 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with conexant codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom BCM5787M || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit |- | Lenovo 3000 N200 || <!--Chipset-->Santa Rosa || {{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || {{yes|Geforce 7300 (2D)}} || {{yes|ALC262 HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || {{no|Broadcom}} || {{no|Intel 3945 bios locked}} || Icaros 1.4 || 2007 64bit 3D graphics parts are supported but buggy. |- | Lenovo 3000 N200 / V200 || GM965 ICH9-M with Intel Mobile Core 2 Duo T5450 || {{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || {{yes|X3100 (2D)}} || {{Maybe|HD Audio ALC269VB or CX20549}} || {{yes| }} || {{no|BCM5906M}} || {{no|Intel 3965 / 4965AGN bios locked}} || Icaros 1.4.1 2.1 || 2007 64bits of laptop works |- | <!--Name-->X300 || <!--Chipset-->Core 2 Duo Merom SL7100 1.2GHz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1.8 inch || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Intel X3100}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio AD1984A || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 4965 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit 13.3" TFT 1440x900 (WXGA+) with LED backlight |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad Edge 11″ AMD K325 || <!--Chipset-->M880G || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA for ATI HD4200}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|8192CE (Realtek 8176) bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 little support |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X301 || <!--Chipset-->Core 2 Duo Penryn SU9400 Su9600 with GM45 chipset || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1.8 inch micro SATA (uSATA) || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Intel X4500}} || <!--Audio-->AD1984A || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 5xxx WiFi link 5100, 5150, 5300 and 5350 (WiMAX) bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 WXGA+ (1440×900) LED backlight display - 2774 or 4057 Alps and 2776 Synaptics touchpad - optical bay interface is Legacy IDE (PATA) - Addonics ADMS18SA, Lycom ST-170m |- | <!--Name-->X100e || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon Neo Single-Core (MV-40) and dual cores || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|2.5in tray in ide mode in bios}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa ATI HD3200}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio with CX20582 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek r8192se bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit 11.6in 1366 x 768 - 20v 65W round barrel - enter f1 setup f11 diagnostics f12 boot list - runs very warm - |- | <!--Name-->SL400 SL500 || Intel || {{N/A}} || {{Yes|IDE mode}} || {{Maybe|Nvidia 9400M}} || {{Maybe|ALC269}} || {{yes|USB 2.0}} || {{Maybe|RTL8169}} || {{Maybe| bios locked}} || || |- | <!--Name-->SL410 SL510 || 965 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|IDE mode}} || {{maybe|Intel GMA X4500M (some 2D)}} || {{yes|HD Audio with ALC269 codec - speaker and ear phones}} || {{yes|USB 2.0}} || {{yes|RTL8169}} || {{Maybe| bios locked}} || [http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=645774&postcount=28 Icaros 1.3] || 2009 64bit SL-410 |- | <!--Name-->T400 ODM Wistron || <!--Chipset-->i || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Intel 4500MHD works limited 2d no 3d - optional switchable Nvidia or ATi HD3470 untested}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with Codec CX20561 (T400)}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel e1000e}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel Wifi Link 5100 (AGN) half height card with FRU 43Y6493 or 5300 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit 20v lenovo plug - non-free firmware required iwlwifi |- | <!--Name-->T400s || <!--Chipset-->i || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VSEA for Intel 4500MHD works limited 2d no 3d}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with CX20585}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel e1000e}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel Wifi Link 5100 (AGN) half height card with FRU 43Y6493 or 5300 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit non-free firmware required iwlwifi |- | <!--Name-->Lenovo T500 T510 || <!--Chipset-->i || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA for switchable Intel / AMD HD 3640}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|Intel HD Audio with a CX20561 (t500) and CX20585 (T510) codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel or Lenovo branded unit Atheros AR5007EG AR5BHB63 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit |- | <!--Name-->X200 ODM Wistron [http://itgen.blogspot.co.uk/2008/12/installing-arch-linux-on-lenovo.html X200s] and x200t tablet model without [http://fsfe.soup.io/post/590865884/the-unconventionals-blog-English-Flashing-Libreboot-on Risky flash of the Libreboot BIOS] || <!--Chipset-->GM45 GS45 with slow Celeron, SU or faster SL Core 2 Duos CPUs || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe||Intel GMA 4500 MHD 2D but slow software 3D tunnel 10 gearbox 8 tests}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel HD Audio with Conexant CX20561 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{{Yes|USB 2.0 USB SD card reads and writes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82567LM Gigabit}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel Pro 5100 5150 5300 5350 AGN due to whitelist prevention bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.0.1 || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit 12.1" CCFL (webcam version) or LED backlit (no webcam). no support for 54mm express cards or Authentec 2810 fingerprint reader - thinkpoint only no trackpad - 3pin cmos - |- | <!--Name-->Lenovo T410 T410s T410si || <!--Chipset-->qm57 with i5 m || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|use vesa Intel 5700MHD (Ironlake) core processor igp with optional Nvidia Quadro NVS 3100M}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio Conexant CX20585 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82577lm gigabit}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Intel n 6200 or Atheros AR9280 AR5BHB92 half size minipcie bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.2 xmas || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit battery life much lower with Nvidia graphics version - no support firewire ricoh r5c832 - ricoh sd card - series 5 3400 |- | <!--Name-->X201 X201s x201t || <!--Chipset-->QM57 Core i3 370m, i5 M520 2.4GHz or i7 620LM 2.0GHz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|vesa 2d on Intel GMA HD}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel HD with [https://ae.amigalife.org/index.php?topic=94.0 Conexant 20585] codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2010 X201 arrandale power consumption limits battery life to 3-4 hours for 48Whr though to 6 on 72Whr - 12.5" WXGA - 3pin cmos - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Ideapad B470, B570, V370, V470, V570 || <!--Chipset-->Intel® Core™ i5 i5-2430M, i5-2450M, || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d for Intel || <!--Audio-->HDaudio 0x8086, 0x1c20 with codec || <!--USB-->USB3 || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|whitelisted}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - 14in or 15.6in 768p - |- | <!--Name-->T420 type 4180 4236, t420s , T520 4239 L520 || <!--Chipset-->i5 2540, 2520 or i7 2860QM 2620 has sse4.1 avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS but not AHCI}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 136 x 768 - Intel HD 3000 with optional NVS 4200M Nvidia optimus or Radeon HD 565v }} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio playback ear phones only with Conexant CX20672 codec - AHI 6.27}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel PRO 1000 82579LM}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek 1x1, Intel Ultimate-N 6205 6250 2x2 6300 3x3 all bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.2.2 add noacpi to grub boot options || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - screen 1600x900 or 1366x768 - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots max 16gb - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad W520 || <!--Chipset--> has sse4.1 avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Intel HD 3000 with nvidia quadro 1000m 2000m optimus issues with Nvidia Intel hybrids}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel Hd with CX 20585 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel 82579 Lm}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 6000s}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - 15.6" TFT display with 1366x768 (HD), 1600x900 (HD+) or 1920x1080 (FHD) resolution with LED backlight |- | <!--Name-->X220 x220t || <!--Chipset-->QM67 express, dual i5 2520M or i7 dual 2620M sse4.1 avx support || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS but not AHCI}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D 1024 x 768 for Intel HD Graphics 3000}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Intel HD playback with Conexant 20672 codec ear phones and speaker - AHI 6.27 6.34}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel 82579LM}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6205 Wi-Fi bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3, Aros One USB 1.6 || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit possible - uses slimmer 7 mm storage sata devices - NEC USB 3.0 on i7's - unwanted trackpad gestures when palms rests on it - 2 ddr3 sodimm slots - external battery - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X120e, x121e Quanta FL8A DAFL8AMB8D0 Rev D || <!--Chipset-->Hudson M1 with slow AMD E350 has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA ATI 0x9802}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ATI SBx00 Azalia HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->USB 2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->RTL8169 RTL8111 || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom 0x0576 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit 11.6 inch screen - 1 inch think - chiclet keyboard |- | <!--Name-->Ideapad S205 G575 G585, Edge 11 E325 || <!--Chipset-->Slow E-350 later E-450 with A75 or AMD Athlon II Neo has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA HD6310}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - removeable and plug in battery - 2pin CR2032 CMOS battery - |- | <!--Name-->Ideapad S206 || <!--Chipset-->AMD E300 1.3GHZ Dual has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel HD Audio with CX20672 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|3.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom 10/100 || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 11.6" and integrated battery - Conexant® |- | <!--Name-->Lenovo x130e or x131e edu || <!--Chipset-->Slow AMD E-300 or E-450 has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon HD 6310 or 6320 }} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio Realtek ALC269VC / ALC3202 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|USB 30 and USB 20}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek RTL8111 RTL8168B}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8188CE or Broadcom BCM43228 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - rubber edged bumper for K12 education market - 2pin CR2032 CMOS battery - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad Edge E135 E335 || <!--Chipset-->amd dual E-300, E2-1800 or E2-2000 slow atom like A68M FCH has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|SATA 3.0Gb/s 2.5" wide 7mm high}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA radeon 6310 or 7340 vga or hdmi}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HDAudio with Realtek ALC3202 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|2 usb3, 1 powered usb2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 8111f}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek WLAN whitelist bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 11.6 inch to 13.3in 1366x768 - Acrylonitrile-Butadiene-Styrene (ABS) plastic case - external battery - 20v 65w lenovo barrel ac - 2 ddr3 sodimm 8Gb max - |- | <!--Name-->ThinkPad Edge E525 E535 LENOVO IDEAPAD Z575 || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-3420M A8-3500M later A8-4500M has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD 6620G later 7640G}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with Conexant codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|USB2 but not usb3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek 8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 15.6in 1368 x 768 matt - 65W 20v lenovo round psu - thick desktop replacement - ThinkPad Edge E520 E520S E525 E530 E545 E535 E530C Laptop Keyboard swap - |- | <!--Name-->T430 t430i T530 || <!--Chipset-->ivy bridge i5 3320 3230m on Intel QM77 has sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 1366 x 768 for Intel HD 4000 with optional Nvidia 5400M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel HD with Realtek ALC3202 aka ALC269VC codec playback ear head phones - HDA 6.27}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB 2 ports and usb2.0 devices thru usb 3.0 ports}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel e1000}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Intel or Atheros AR9285 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit fan noise and chiclet keyboard, synaptics trackpad - HD+ 768p - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X230 x230t || <!--Chipset-->Intel QM67 express i5 has sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel HD with ALC269 aka ALC3202}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|I}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit - 12.2 in 1366 x 768 - 2 ddr3 sodimm slots - external battery - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad T440 t440s t440p T540 L440 L540 || <!--Chipset-->intel haswell 8 series Core i3 to i7 has sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA - Intel 4600 or Nvidia}} || <!--Audio-->Intel HD with Realtek ALC3232 alc269 codec or ALC292 || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel AC 7260 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - 14 and 15" models with glitchy trackpad and no physical buttons - keyboard repair not easy as well as 4 variants of key caps - 2pin CR2032 CMOS battery - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X240 x240t ultrabook TN (20AL0081GE), HD IPS display without touch (20AL007NGE) and touch (20AL0076GE) but all 65% sRGB || <!--Chipset-->haswell i7-4600U i5 4200U 4210U 4300U i3-4100U - two batteries, one internal 3cell 45N1110 (45N1111) or 45N1112 (FRU 45N1113) and external 3 / 6cell 45N1126 (FRU 45N1127) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2.5in 7mm sata (torq t7), m.2 2242 in WWAN slot (m and b key NGFF Sata) || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA for Intel 4400 for vga or mini-dp}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x8086, 0x0a0c 0x8086, 0x9c20 with Realtek ALC3232 aka ALC292 0x10ec, 0x0292}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel® 82577LM Gigabit (Hanksville) }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Intel 7260n I218-V or I218-LM bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One USB || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - 12.2in 1366 x 768 or 1080p - 1 ddr3l sodimm slot - no keyboard spill drainage and at least 2 variants of key caps - lenovo rectangle pwr ac - TPM 1.2 - Bluetooth 4.0 no support - bottom panel with 8 retained screws - 2pin CR2032 CMOS battery - |- | <!--Name-->ThinkPad Edge E545 * key cap swap with E440 E531 E540 L440 L450 T431S T440S T440P T540 * Keyboard swap L540 T540p W540 Edge E531 E540 W541 T550 W550S L560 P50S T560 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Socket FS1r2 A6-5350M (2c2t) or A8-4500M, A8-5550M, A10-5750M (4c4t) with A76M FCH has sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2.5in 9.5mm - enter UEFI bios with Enter or ESC, config section, sata into compatibility and security, secure boot disabled - mini sata DVD burner PLSD DS8A9SH || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD 7640G, 8450G, 8550G, 8650G ?? Islands}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|VOID for HDAudio 6.34 0x1022, 0x780d with Conexant CX20590 Analog 0x14f1, 0x506e CX20671 codec 0x14f1, 0x5069 or audio over Trinity HDMI}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|boots pen drives from yellow usb port but not from blue USB3 ones, issues with AMD usb3 hardware quirks}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 1GbE 8111F}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM43142 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 2.3 USB works with noacpi added to end of grub2 boot line but not booting on AROS One 64bit 1.1 via usb2 stick or iso burnt to dvd || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit - 15.6in 1366 x 768 matt - 20v 65w 90w round lenovo plug psu - 2 DDR3 SODIMM slots 16GB Max - external 6 Cell Li-Ion Battery 48Wh l11s6y01 45n1043 - 2pin CR2032 CMOS battery in wifi area jp1202 - amd v(tm) virtualization not working - |- |<!--Name-->Y50-70 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 4 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->GTX 860M or GTX 960M || <!--Audio-->HDAudio || <!--USB-->USB3 || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit - |- |<!--Name-->AMD platform codes *Beema: ABM, *Carizzo-L: ACL, *Carizzo: ACZ, *Godavari: AGR, *Kaveri: AKV, *Stoney Ridge: ASR, *Stoney Ridge: AST (NB), || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> *Summit Ridge: ASU, *Bristol Ridge-L: ABL, *Bristol Ridge: ABR, *Raven Ridge: ARR, *Picasso: API |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo ThinkPad P50 || <!--Chipset-->Intel i7-6820HQ || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->Quadro M2000M || <!--Audio-->HDAudio || <!--USB-->USB3 || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->[https://www.laptop-schematics.com/db/78/V%20series%20laptops%20(Lenovo)/ V110-14AST (14in) V110-15AST, V110-14ISK V110-15ISK 80TL (15")], || <!--Chipset-->AMD E1-9000, A6-9210 to A9-9410 all dual core and intel 6006u, 6100u, 6200u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 2.5in sata most 7mm some 9.5mm || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD R2, R3, R5 or R6 or Intel Gfx}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 14in to 15.6in mostly 768p 220 nits - 20v 45W or 65W lenovo slim rectangle end ac - keyboard swap hard - integrated 24WHr battery - 4gb ddr4 ram soldered and 1 2133Mhz ddr4 slot max 12Gb - abs plastic - |- |<!--Name--> *ThinkPad A275 12in (1 ddr4 1866MHz sodimm) *Thinkpad A475 14in (2 ddr4 1866MHz sodimm) - both internal (main) and external (secondary) battery || <!--Chipset-->A10-8730B A10-9700B 2.500Ghz later A12-8830B A12-9800B all 4c4t (AVX2 on 9000s) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|7mm 2.5in sata with mbr and not gpt, setup in another machine - secure boot disabled, bios startup boot set to legacy then uefi - WWAN slot cannot use M.2 2242 sata with M and B key}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD R5 or R7}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 6.34 ahi 0x1022, 0x157a with ALC3268 aka ALC298 codec 0x10ec, 0x0298 - VOID even with QUERY / QUERYD added}} || <!--USB-->{{no|USB3 error on boot suspect AMD usb3 quirk}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 RTL8111EPV}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8822BE WLAN whitelist locked cannot swap}} || <!--Test Distro-->{{maybe|AROSOne USB 32bit 1.8 with noacpi noapic noioapic added to grub2 boot line but Aros One 64bit 1.2 USB has krnPanic }} || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit 12 or 14in 768p - 45W or 65w lenovo rectangle ac adapter - F1 enter bios and F12 boot order - 6 retained screws and snap on base - 2100 error message no solution except using only efi/gpt bios option - |- |<!--Name-->320S-15AST, 320S-15ABR, ideapad Slim 1-11AST-05 81VR || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-9220e, AMD A6-9225, A9-9425, A10-9600P 7th Gen || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata 2.5in}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe| Vesa 2D for AMD}} || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Qualcomm Atheros QCA9377 or Realtek RTL8821CE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit AVX2 - 14in or 15.6" 768p - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo Ideapad S145-14AST S145-15AST 81N3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-9225, A9-9425, A10-9600P 7th Gen, AMD A12-9720P Mobo 5B20P11110 NMB341 Bristol Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata 2.5in}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon 8670A 8670M 8690M GCN 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Qualcomm Atheros QCA9377 or Realtek RTL8821CE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit AVX2 - 14in or 15.6" 768p or 1080p - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo Ideapad V145-14AST V145-15AST, 81mt, Ideapad 310, Ideapad 320-15ABR, Ideapad 330-14AST 330-15AST 330-17AST || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-9225, A9-9425 (2c2t), A10-9600P 7th Gen, AMD A12-9720P Mobo 5B20P11110 NMB341 Bristol Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata 2.5in with optional dvd}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon 8670A 8670M 8690M GCN 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with ALC3240-va3-cg aka ALC236? codec 0x10de, 0x0236}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 8106E 10/100 only}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Qualcomm Atheros QCA9377 or Realtek RTL8821CE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit AVX2 - 14in or 15.6" 768p or 1080p - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 45w 65w slim ac adapter - |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo V330-14ARR 81B1, V330-15ARR 81, 330-14ARR 81 330-15ARR 81D2 - battery internal about 30whr || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen R3 2200U, 2300U or R5 2500U Raven Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->M.2 nvme/sata, optional 2.5in sata but no dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega 3, 6 or 8 up to 1Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x1002, 0x15de with Realtek® ALC5682I-VD codec 0x10de, 0x or coxenant CX11802 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek 1GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14" 768p 20mm thick 1.8kg - 20v 2.25a 45w ac round barrel - chiclet keyboard - 4Gb soldered and 1 ddr4 sodimm - TPM 2.0 in bios - 4GB soldered - |- |<!--Name-->Ideapad 330s-14ARR, 330s-15ARR, ideapad 330S-14IKB, 330S-15IKB, - battery internal about 30whr || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen R3 2200U, 2300U or R5 2500U Raven Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|nvme}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD or Intel 610, 620 up to 1Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14" 20mm thick 1.8kg - 20v 2.25a 45w ac round barrel - chiclet keyboard - 4Gb soldered and 1 ddr4 sodimm - TPM 2.0 in bios - 4GB soldered - |- |<!--Name-->Thinkpad Edge E485 E585 - internal battery only || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen R3 2300U R5 2500U R7 2700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|m.2 nvme optional 1 2.5in sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Vega 3, 8 or 10}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with CX11852 codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111GUS}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14in or 15.6in 768p or 1080p - USB-C 20V 2.25A 3.25A avoid knocking charging port as damages easily - 2 ddr4 sodimm slot max 2400Mhz 32GB - TPM 2.0 software - |- |<!--Name-->Thinkpad A285 - internal and external battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen PRO 3 2200U 5 2500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|m.2 nvme/sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with ALC ALC3287 codec aka ALC257 }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Mini-Ethernet/Docking}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm - WLAN whitelist no more??}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 12.5in 1080p - avoid usb-c port being lifted/moved whilst in use as damages laptop easily - soldered ram 8gb or 16gb - WWAN whitelist - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->Thinkpad A485 bios setting [https://github.com/PSPReverse/PSPTool AMD PSP Platform Security Processor Key] - internal and external battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen PRO 5 2500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata port and m.2 nvme port || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with ALC ALC3287 codec aka ALC 257 }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111GUL}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm wifi - WLAN whitelist no more??}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14in 768p, 1080p or 1440p - avoid usb-c port being lifted/moved whilst in use as damages laptop easily - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots max 32gb - WWAN whitelist - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->[https://www.diy-laptoprepair.com/forum/fix-Lenovo-V155-15-repair-guide-schematics.php Lenovo v155-15api 81V5] V155 (15" AMD) budget all plastic build - MS new protocol, HID over I2C so [https://askubuntu.com/questions/1033033/elantech-touchpad-does-not-work-i2c-hid i2c] [https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/drivers/input/mouse/elantech.c?h=v6.17 i2c] [https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v4.16/input/devices/elantech.html PS2 hybrid trackpad] [https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/tree/sys/dev/atkbdc/psm.c?h=releng/14.3 elantech] [https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/sys/dev/pckbc/?only_with_tag=OPENBSD_7_8_BASE i2c-hid] 04F3:3140 touchpad not working - internal sunwoda battery L18D3PF1, L18L3PF1, L18C3PF2 35Whr most dead after 5 years || <!--Chipset-->'''tested''' Ryzen 5 3500U and Ryzen 3 3200U - '''untested''' AMD Athlon 300U with bios winbond 25q64fwsiq soic 1.8v bios near nvme || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 M.2 nvme and usually 2.5in 7mm sata - install on mbr not gpt 2.5in in another compatible machine - mini sata dvd/cd da-8aesh11b will boot cd or dvd aros || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D to 1080p work for Vega 3 or 8 with up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken but hdmi 1.4b no output}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio add 0x1022, 0x15E3 with ALC3287 aka Realtek ALC257 codec 0x10ec, 0x0257 with 32bit on external speaker and most of the time works on 64bit}} || <!--USB-->{{no|2 USB3.0 usb-a, on left hand side, detected but not working}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 RTL8111GUS works well with 32bit and 64bit}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Intel wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 AROS One 2.8 DVD 32bit and AROS One x64 1.1 and 1.2 iso DVD burnt but not USB boot || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 15.6in 768p or 1080p 200nits tn panel - 4Gb ddr4 2400MHz soldered with 1 dimm slot max 20Gb - round ac 20V 65W psu 4.0mm x 1.7mm - Fn+F2 to enter bios and F12 boot order - no sd card slot - 2pin cr2032 cmos coin battery - |- |<!--Name-->V15-ADA 82C700E4UK- elan touchpad not working - internal battery 34whr L16M2PB2 l16l2pb3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD r5 3500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1x 2.5" HDD + 1x M.2 SSD NVMe near fan, no cd dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 3, 8 with up to 1080p with 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio 6.36 0x1022, 0x15E3 with R155189 ALC236 codec 0x10ec, 0x0236 on 32bit and on 64bit}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|3 USB3, on left hand side,}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 3500U with Aros One 32bit 2.8 installed to 2.5in drive on another machine and same for 64bit || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14 or 15.6in 768p on low spec machines to 1080p - 4GB soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 2pin cr2032 cmos coin battery - sd card slot - noisy fan - |- |<!--Name-->V15-ADA 82C7 - elan touchpad not working - internal battery 34whr L16M2PB2 l16l2pb3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon Silver 3020e, Ryzen 3 3050U, 3150U, 3250U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1x 2.5" HDD + 1x M.2 SSD NVme near fan, no cd dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 3, 8 with up to 1080p with 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio 6.36 0x1022, 0x15E3 with RTS5119 R155119 ALC230 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|3 USB3.0, on left hand side,}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 Aros One 32bit 2.8 and 64bit || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14 or 15.6in 768p on low spec machines to 1080p - 4GB soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 2pin cr2032 cmos coin battery - sd card slot - for this mbd bios ram disable doesn't work - noisy fan - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo V14-ADA 82C6, - elan touchpad not working - if blank black display, bios bug going from uefi->legacy so reset bios rhs push in with pin, then Down, ent, Right x3, ent, up, ent, right, ent x2 - internal battery 34whr L16M2PB2 l16l2pb3 || <!--Chipset-->'''tested''' 3250U - '''untested''' AMD Athlon Silver 3020e, Ryzen 3 3050U, 3150U - for this mbd GV451&GV551 NM-D151 bios ram disable doesn't work || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1x 2.5" HDD if cbl + 1x M.2 SSD NVMe near fan, no cd dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 3 up to 1080p with 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio 6.36 0x1022, 0x15E3 with Realtek ALC3223 RTS5119 R185199 aka ALC230 codec 0x10ec, 0x0230 on 32bit and on 64bit}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|3 USB3, on left hand side,}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 AMD 3250U with Aros One 32bit 2.8 installed to 2.5in drive on another machine and same for 64bit || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14 or 15.6in 768p on low spec machines to 1080p - 4GB soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 2pin cr2032 cmos coin battery - sd card slot - F2 bios F12 select - |- |<!--Name-->IdeaPad 1 14ADA5 (low spec cpus) ideaPad 3 14ADA05, IdeaPad 3 15ADA05 81W100QVUK, IdeaPad 3 17ADA05 - elan touchpad not working - internal battery 34whr L16M2PB2 l16l2pb3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon Silver 3020e, Ryzen 3 3050U, 3150U, 3250U, Ryzen 5 3500U on mobo NM-C821 REV 0.2 1.0 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1x 2.5" HDD if cbl + 1x M.2 SSD NVMe near fan, no cd dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 3, 8 up to 1080p with 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio 6.36 0x1022, 0x15E3 with ALC230 codec 0x10ec, 0x0230 on 32bit and on 64bit}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|3 USB3, on left hand side,}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 Aros One 32bit 2.8 installed to 2.5in drive on another machine and same for 64bit || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14 or 15.6in 768p on low spec machines to 1080p - 4GB soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 2pin cr2032 cmos coin battery - sd card slot - F2 bios F12 boot select - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo IdeaPad L340-15API 81LW001CUS L340-17API - elan trackpad not functioning - internal battery L18M3PF2 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon 300U, Ryzen 3 3200U r5 3500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 M.2 nvme and usually 2.5in sata if ribbon cable present - mini sata dvd/cd da-8aesh11b || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 3 or 8 with up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken - hdmi 1.4b}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio add 0x1022, 0x15E3 with Realtek ALC236 0x10ec, 0x0236}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 not detected}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111GUS}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Intel wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 2.8 USB - install on mbr not gpt 2.5in in another compatible machine || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 15.6in 768p or 1080p 200nits - 4Gb ddr4 2400MHz soldered with 1 dimm slot max 20Gb - round ac 20V 65W psu 4.0mm x 1.7mm - Return or F1 to enter bios and F12 boot order - no sd card slot - |- |<!--Name-->[https://www.laptop-schematics.com/db/78/T%20series%20laptops%20(ThinkPad)/ ThinkPad T295 T495] || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 3300U, R5 Pro 3500U or R7 3700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 NVMe up to 2280 || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega 6, 8 or 10 up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111EPV}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8822BE or Intel AC 9260}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14in 768p but mostly FHD 1080p 250 nits - internal battery - ram 8gb or 16gb 2400Mhz soldered with 1 ddr4 slot on T495 only - TPM 2.0 - usb-c charging avoid knock whilst in use - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T495s (14in) X395 (13in) || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 3300U, R5 Pro 3500U or R7 3700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 NVMe up to 2280 || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega 6, 8 or 10 up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{unk| needs Lenovo ThinkPad Ethernet Adapter Gen 2 SC10P42352 or SC10P42354}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8822BE or Intel AC 9260 wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 13in or 14in 768p but mostly FHD 1080p 250 nits - internal battery - ram 8gb or 16gb 2400Mhz soldered - TPM 2.0 - usb-c charging avoid knock whilst in use - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad E14 Gen2, E15 Gen 2 (AMD) 20T8, - lenovo has a mobile phone PC Diagnostic App for error/beep codes || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 4300U, 5 4500U, 7 4700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2 m.2 nvme, 1 2242 and 1 2280 || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD Radeon up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with ALC ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111GUS}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 15.6in 1080p 220 nits - TPM 2.0 - usb-c charging of internal 45Whr battery - 4gb ddr4 3200Mhz soldered and 1 ddr4 sodimm slot max 20Gb - keyboard swap problematic - plastic bendy case - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo ThinkPad T14 Gen 1, ThinkPad P14s Gen 1 (AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 4300u, 5 4500U, Ryzen 5 Pro 4650U, Ryzen 7 Pro 4750U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD Vega }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287 0x10EC, 0x0257}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111EPV (DASH models) or RTL8111HN}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - USB-C charging avoid moving whilst in use - 14" or 15" 1080p - keyboard swap problematic - 8gb or 16gb 3200MHz soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - sd card slot - |- |<!--Name-->Thinkpad L14 Gen 1, L15 Gen 1, || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 4300u, 5 4500U, Ryzen 5 Pro 4650U, Ryzen 7 Pro 4750U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD Vega }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287 0x10EC, 0x0257}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 needs dongle RTL8111EPV (DASH models) or RTL8111HN}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - USB-C charger avoid moving whilst in use - 14" or 15" 1080p - keyboard swap problematic - 8gb or 16gb 3200MHz soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - sd card slot - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo ThinkPad X13 Gen1 AMD, || <!--Chipset-->AMD RYZEN 3 4450U, 5 4650U or 7 4750U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->One drive, up to 512GB M.2 2242 SSD or 1TB M.2 2280 SSD NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|VESA Radeon up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| but USB-C ports can fail}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Realtek RTL8111EPV, mini RJ-45 to RJ-45 via optional ThinkPad Ethernet Extension Adapter Gen 2}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek Wi-Fi 6 RTL8852AE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 13.3" HD 1366x768 to 1080p - USB-C port care needed as damages easily - Memory soldered to systemboard, no slots, dual-channel DDR4-3200 - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo ThinkBook 14 G2, 15 G2 Are || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 5 4500u, 7 4700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->14in has 2 m.2 nvme but 15in has 1 nvme and might have 2.5in sata metal caddy if smaller battery version || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d for AMD Radeon up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with ALC???? codec 0x10EC, 0x0}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 14in or 15in 1080p - usb-c charging but high failure rate on the charging port - 4gb or 8gb soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot 3200mhz - hinge(s) issues - |- |<!--Name-->IdeaPad 5 14ARE05 (81YM), Ideapad 5 15ARE05 (), IdeaPad 3 17ARE05 (model 81W5) - elan touchpad MSFT0004:00 06CB:CD98 not working || <!--Chipset-->'''tested''' 4500u - '''untested''' AMD 3 4300U (4c4t), 4600U (6c12t), 7 4700u (8c16t) on AMD Promontory Bixby FCH || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|1x M.2 2242 slot and 1x M.2 2280 NVMe which will take sata m.2 will boot to grub then laptop reset after choice}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 6 via hdmi output up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio 6.36 0x1637 0x15e3 with Realtek ALC3287 aka ALC257 codec 0x10ec 0x0257}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.1 or 3.2 gen 1}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel ax200 wifi 6}} || <!--Test Distro-->4500u with AROS One 64bit 1.2 usb installed to m.2 sata on another machine || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit 14inch 768p or 1080p - round lenovo ac - 4gb, 8gb, or 16gb ddr4 3200Mhz ram soldered with 1 slot - keyboard swap problematic - integrated battery - |- |<!--Name-->Ideapad Flex 5 81X2, Lenovo Yoga 6 13ALC6 || <!--Chipset-->AMD R5 4500u, R7 4800U, R3 5300 R5 5500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->M.2 NVMe ssd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD Vega up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with ALC? codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3.1 gen 1}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|realtek ac wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit abs plastic case 14in convertible 1080p touch low nits - 65w usb-c psu ac - possible wacom esr note taking pen supplied - ram soldered DDR4 - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T14 Gen 2, P14s Gen 2 || <!--Chipset-->AMD 5850U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with ALC3287-CG codec 0x10EC, 0x0}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 - usb-c power 90% failure rate on the charging port - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo ThinkBook 14 G3, 15 G3 ACL, || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 5 5500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->m.2 nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with ALC codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 14in or 15in 1080p - usb-c charging powered - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad E14 G3, E15 Gen 3 (AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 5300U 5500U 5650U 5700U 5800U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->up to 2 m.2 nvme || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111GUS}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|realtek or intel }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 15.6in 1080p - - usb-c charging issues - keyboard swap problematic - 4gb or 8gb soldered with 1 ddr4 3200Mhz sodimm slot - plastic bendy case - |- |<!--Name-->V14 Gen 2 (82KA, 82KC) *ALO *ALC 82KD || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 5300U, 5 5500U, 7 5700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 nvme 2280 and optional 2.5in sata after sourcing ribbon cable and connector, no dvd || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H-CG}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 15.6" FHD 1080p - 4gb or 8gb soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 65w round ac adaptor - |- |<!--Name-->V15 G2 Gen2 (82KB, 82KD) *ALO *ALC 82KD || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 5300U, 5 5500U, 7 5700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 nvme 2280 and optional 2.5in sata after sourcing ribbon cable and connector, no dvd || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H-CG}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 15.6" FHD 1080p - 4gb or 8gb soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 65w round ac adaptor - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad L15 Gen 2 (15″, AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 5000 series AMD Ryzen 3 5400U (4c8t), 5 5600U, 5 5650U (6c12t), 7 PRO 5850U (8c16t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 needs dongle RTL8111EPV (DASH models) or RTL8111HN}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 15.6in 768p or 1080p - usb-c charging - 4gb soldered with 1 ddr4 3200Mhz sodimm slot - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad E14 Gen 4, E15 Gen 4 (15″, AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 3 5425u, 5 5625U, 7 5825u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 (14") or 2 (15") nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 15.6in 1080p - usb-c charging - 4gb or 8gb soldered with 1 ddr4 3200Mhz sodimm slot - L19M3PDA 45Whr battery - U24 TPS65994 and QB6 QB5 mosfet issues - plastic bendy case - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T14 Gen 3 Machine types MT 21AH 21AJ 21CF and 21CG, P14s Gen 3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD 6850U || <!--IDE-->{{n/a}} || <!--SATA-->NVme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d || <!--Audio-->{{unk| ALC3287-VA2-CG codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 14in |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T14s Gen 3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD 6500U || <!--IDE-->{{n/a}} || <!--SATA-->NVme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d || <!--Audio-->{{unk| ALC3287-VA2-CG codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Ethernet support via optional Lenovo® USB-C® to Ethernet Adapter}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 14in |- |<!--Name-->V14 G3, V15 G3 Gen3 ALC || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 5 6500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme and optional 2.5in sata if smaller 38Wh battery and after sourcing ribbon cable and connector, no dvd || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 15"FHD - battery BYD L20B2PFO - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad L15 Gen 3 (15″, AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 6000 series || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 needs dongle}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit- 15.6in 1080p - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo Yoga 7 14ARB7 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5, 6600U, 7 6800U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD 660M or 680M || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDaudio with ALC3306 aka alc287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 14in 1800p ips 300 nits - usb-c ac charging 71whr integrated battery - sd card slot - digital pen input - 8gb, 6gb or 32gb soldered ddr5 ram - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T14 Gen 4, P14s Gen 4 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen Pro 5 7540U, Ryzen Pro 7 7840U (AI NPU) || <!--IDE-->{{n/a}} || <!--SATA-->NVme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD 740M 780M|| <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 14in 1920x1200 - 8gb, 16gb or 32gb lpddr5 soldered - usb-c charging - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad E14 g5, E15 Gen 5 (15″, AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 7000 series Ryzen 5-7530U, 7-7730U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit- 15.6in 1080p - |- |<!--Name-->Thinkbook 14 G6 ABP IRL, ThinkBook 16 G6ABP (21KK001CUK) || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 7530U 7730U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->m.2 nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 untested}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 14in 1200p or 1440p - 100W USB-C AC power adapter - |- |<!--Name-->IdeaPad Slim 5 Light 14ABR8 Laptop || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 7330U (4c8t) 5 7530U (6c12t) 7 7730U (8c16t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2 m.2 nvme slot - 1 2242, 1 2280 || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 14in 1080p - 8Gb or 16Gb soldered ram - usb-c charging only - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad X13 Gen 4 (13" AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 7480U 7040U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|VESA}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 - avoid usb-c port damage - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad L14 (Gen4), L15 Gen 4 (15" AMD) || <!--Chipset-->MD Ryzen 5 PRO 7530U, 7480U 7040U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|VESA}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 needs dongle}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - elan trackpad - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo Gen 4 V14 (82YT, 82YV, 83A0, 83A1, 83CC, 83FR, 82YX, 83FG), V15 (82YU, 82YW, 83FS, 82YY, 83CR), V17 (83A2), || <!--Chipset-->AMD AMD Athlon™ Gold 7220U (2c4t), AMD Athlon™ Silver 7120U (2c2t), AMD Ryzen™ 3 7320U (4c8t), AMD Ryzen™ 5 7520U (4c8t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme and 2.5in sata if smaller 38Wh battery, no dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d for AMD 610M HDMI® and USB-C}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Gigabit Ethernet, 1x RJ-45}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|wifi 6}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 15.6" FHD 1080p - 8 or 16Gb soldered - 65W round tip (3-pin) AC adapter or USB-C - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad e14 G6, e15 Gen 6 (15″, AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 7000 series AMD Ryzen™ 7 7735HS || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit- 15.6in 1080p - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad L16 (16" AMD), || <!--Chipset-->AMD 8000 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB4}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 needs dongle}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2025 64bit |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T14 Gen 5, P14s Gen 5 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 8840U, AMD Ryzen™ 5 PRO 8540U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVME || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - 14inch 1920 x 1200 - |- |<!--Name--> Lenovo WinBook 300e SKU: 82GKS00000 || <!--Chipset-->AMD 3015E || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit 4GB 64GB SSD 11.6 Inch Touchscreen Windows 10 Pro Laptop |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo Yoga Slim 7a || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen AI 7350 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD 860M || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDaudio with ALC3306 aka alc287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - 14in 1800p ips 300 nits - usb-c ac charging 71whr integrated battery - sd card slot - digital pen input - 8gb, 6gb or 32gb soldered ddr5 ram - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Samsung==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="2%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->NP-Q1 Q1 || <!--Chipset-->Celeron-M 353 ULV 600Mhz || <!--IDE-->{{Yes|1.8" SFF HDD 20 / 60 GB }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 915 2D and 3D opengl1 tunnel 95 gearbox 68}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with codec - head phones only}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Yes|Atheros 5006EX}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit old style tablet UltraMobile PC UMPC - Wacom serial resistive pen or finger no support - 1 sodimm ddr2 max 1Gb - LCD 7" WVGA (800 x 480) - CompactFlash port Type II - |- | <!--Name-->NP Q1U Ultra Mobile PC UMPC Q1F NP-Q1-F000 || <!--Chipset-->Intel A100 600 / A110 Stealey 800 MHz CPU || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|GMA 950 2D and 3D opengl1}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio 1986}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Atheros 5006EX}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1 || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit 1024×600 - sd card slot - |- | <!--Name-->NP P500 family P500Y || <!--Chipset-->AMD with SB600 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Ati x1250}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes| Audio with codec }} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8039 yukon}} || <!--Wireless-->{{yes|Atheros G}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments-->64bit possible - 15.4 tft display - cheap plastic okay build - 19v propriety end - |- | <!--Name-->R505 R510 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Atheros G || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->R520 R522 R610H R620 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Mobile Core i3 Intel PM45 82801M ICH9-M|| <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4650 (RV730) || <!--Audio-->Intel HD Audio with Realtek ALC272 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Marvell Yukon 88E8057 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros AR5007EG || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2010 64 bit possible |- | NP-R530 || || {{N/A}} || {{partial|IDE mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{partial|HD Audio playback}} || {{yes|USB 2.0}} || {{no|Marvell}} || {{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || Icaros 1.5.2 || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Samsung R730 17.3 Essential Notebook NP-R730-JA02UK, NP-R730-JA01SE, R730-JT06 || <!--Chipset-->Intel HM55 Dual Core T4300 i3-370M || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA for Intel 4500MHD and GeForce G 310M with 1 VGA, 1 HDMI}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio ALC??? codec Realtek}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell Yukon 88E8059 PCI-E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Broadcom, Intel or Atheros 9k AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods ISO 2023-11 || <!--Comments-->2010 64bit - 17.3in HD 1280 x 720 pixels low contrast or some 1600x900 - 2 DDR3 sodimm slots - 2.84 kg 6.26 lbs - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Samsung-305U1A-A01DE-Subnotebook.68246.0.html Series 3 Samsung 305u1a] || <!--Chipset-->AMD Zacate E350 or E450 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon 6320 || <!--Audio-->ALC ACL 269 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111 8169 || <!--Wireless-->Broadcom 4313 || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit |- | <!--Name-->NP-RV415 NP-RV515 || <!--Chipset-->E350 or E450 plus A50M chipset || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon HD 6470 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio Realtek || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|RTL8169 Realtek RTL8111 8168B}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit slow - |- | <!--Name-->Series 5 NP535U3C || <!--Chipset-->A6-4455M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2.5in || <!--Gfx-->radeon || <!--Audio-->HDAudio || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit slow - 13.3in 1368 x 768 - plastic build - 65w 19v psu - |- | <!--Name-->series 3 NP355V5C || <!--Chipset-->A6-4400M, A8-4500M, A10-4600M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2.5in || <!--Gfx-->7640M || <!--Audio-->HDAudio || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit - 15.4in 1368 x 768 - plastic build - 65w 19v psu - |- | <!--Name-->Samsung ATIV Book 9 Lite NP905S3G || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-1450 quad 1GHz Temash atom like || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->128gb || <!--Gfx-->AMD 8250 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek rtl8169 but only with mini LAN AA-AE2N12B Ethernet Adapter RJ45 dongle}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9565}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - 13.3 TN glossy 1366 x 768 200nits 60% srgb - plastic case - 26W battery built in with 4hr life - 19V 2.1A 3.0*1.0mm psu - 1 ddr3l slot max 4gb - 720p webcam - mini hdmi out - 1w speakers - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Toshiba==== [[#top|...to the top]] Order of Build Quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > Equium Satellite (Pro) Libretto Portege Tecra </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | Tecra 8100 8200 9000 || 440BX || {{yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|S3 Savage MX 3D (VESA only)}} || {{no|Yamaha DS-XG ymf744 ymf-754}} || {{yes|USB1.1 only}} || {{N/A}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.5 || little support |- | <!--Name-->Tecra 9100 || <!--Chipset-->810 || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|S3 Savage IX}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|ymf754}} || <!--USB-->USB 1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->eeee pro100 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->PSU Adapter For Toshiba Tecra 9000 9100 A1 A10 A11 A3 A3X A4 A5 A7 M1 M2 M3 M4 M5 M7 M9 R10 S1 series 75 Watt 15V 5A |- | [http://tuxmobil.org/toshiba_sp4600.html Satellite Pro 4600] || i810 || IDE || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|Trident Cyber Blade XP (VESA only)}} || {{no|YAMAHA DS-XG AC97 ymf754}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel e100}} || {{no|Agere (internal PCMCIA)}} || || little support |- | Satellite 2805 S603 || Intel 815 || {{yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|nVidia GeForce2 Go}} || {{no|Yamaha Corp YMF 754}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel PRO/100}} || {{dunno}} || || little support |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A10 S167 S1291 - A15 A20 A25 || <!--Chipset-->P4M || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 852GM or Radeon || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8139 || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Intel 2100, Agere or Atheros PA3399U 1MPC minipci}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->a few models came with antenna leads |- | Satellite [http://eu.computers.toshiba-europe.com/innovation/jsp/SUPPORTSECTION/discontinuedProductPage.do?service=EU&com.broadvision.session.new=Yes&PRODUCT_ID=76230 A30-714] || P4-M / 82845 i845 || {{yes|82801}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|VESA}} || {{yes|AC97}} || {{yes}} || {{yes|RTL8139}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || nice laptop, drawbacks: heavy, really hot (P4-3.06 GHz!!) - A30 (EU) A33 (Australian) A35 (USA) - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A40 A45 || <!--Chipset-->P4M or Celeron M with Intel 845 865 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 852GME or Radeon 7000 Mobility || <!--Audio-->AC97 Realtek || <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5002G 5004G - PA3299U mini pci || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - A40 S161 A40-S1611 A40-2701, A45-S120 A45-S1201 S130 S1301 S1501 - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite a50 A55 a60-s156 Equium A60 PSA67E A65 || <!--Chipset-->P4M or Celeron M with Intel 845 865 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 852GME or Radeon 7000 Mobility || <!--Audio-->AC97 Realtek || <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5002G 5004G - PA3299U mini-pci || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A70 A75-S206 A80 A85-S107 || <!--Chipset-->P4M or Celeron-M with Intel 845 865 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 852GME or Radeon 7000 Mobility || <!--Audio-->AC97 Realtek || <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5002G 5004G - PA3299U mini-pci || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.5.1 || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - |- | Toshiba Satellite Pro M30 || intel 855 || {{yes|boots with ATA=nodma option}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|VESA}} || {{yes|AC97}} || {{yes|USB2.0}} || {{yes|Intel PRO/100 VE}} || {{dunno}} || Icaros 1.5 || nice laptop with some support |- | <!--Name-->Portege M300 - M200 tablet || <!--Chipset-->855GM with 1.2GHz Pentium M 753 || <!--IDE-->{{yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2d only - tablet with nvidia 5200 go}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|AC97 STAC 9750}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->little support |- | <!--Name-->Tecra M2 M2-S || <!--Chipset-->Intel 855P Pentium-M || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->nvidia fx go5200 32mb or 64mb agp || <!--Audio-->AC97 1981B || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Intel Pro || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - PSU 15V 5A - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro L20 267 (PSL2YE PSL2XE) PSL25E L30 || <!--Chipset-->Celeron M 370 1.4 1.5GHz, 1.73Ghz with RC410M SB400 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA - Ati x200}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|[https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-490297-start-0.html ALC861]}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|Boots usb sticks}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8139 Realtek 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros mini-pci should work maybe not working with ATi chipset or need to swap??}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit 14" pioneer dvd-rw - 19v |- | <!--Name-->Satellite L30 PSL30E L33 PSL33E || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 800 or ATi RC410 x200 || <!--Audio-->AC97 AD1981B or HD Audio ALC861 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros or Intel || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->L30 PSL30L 101 PSL33E 113 115 134 00M019 - |- | Satellite Pro M40 313 psm44e || AMD with Ati || {{yes|boots with ATA=nodma}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|VESA}} || {{yes|AC97}} || {{yes|USB2.0}} || {{yes|}} || {{maybe|atheros askey ar5bmb5 mini pci}} || || 2005 32bit - nice laptop with some support |- | <!--Name-->Satellite L40 PSL40E PSL40L, PSL43E || <!--Chipset-->945GM with U7700 1.3GHz ULV || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 945 || <!--Audio-->{{No|Intel HD with AD1986A codec}} || <!--USB-->2 USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros AR24xx Askey || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.0.3 || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit only - - 12X 13G 139 14B 143 15J 19O - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite L45 PSL40U S7409 S2416 || <!--Chipset-->945GM with Celeron M 440 1.86 GHz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 945 || <!--Audio-->{{No|Intel HD with AD1986A codec}} || <!--USB-->2 USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros AR24xx Askey || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.0.3 || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit only - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro A100 || <!--Chipset-->940G || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Nvidia G72M Quadro NVS 110M GeForce Go 7300 / Ati (PSAA3E)|| <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC861 codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 100 || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 swap with atheros || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A110 159 (PSAB0), Equium A110 (PSAB2E), Satellite A110 233 (PSAB6), || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio-->ALC861 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8136 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro A120 PSAC0 PSAC1 PSAC1E || <!--Chipset-->Core Solo GMA 950 to T2300 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 945 || <!--Audio-->ALC262 or AC97 AD1981B || <!--USB-->UHCI EHCI || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Atheros Ar5001 or Intel or Broadcom || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->15V 4A charger - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro A120 || <!--Chipset-->Core Duo ATi RS480 + SB450 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use VESA - ATI RC410 Radeon Xpress 200M || <!--Audio-->ALC262 || <!--USB-->OCHI UHCI || <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 or Atheros Ar5001 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->15v 5a proprietary charger needed |- | <!--Name-->Satelite A130 PSAD6U || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8101E || <!--Wireless-->Atheros or Intel || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->ST1311 s1311 ST1312 S2276 S2386 - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A135 S2686 (Compal LA 3391P) || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8101E || <!--Wireless-->Atheros or Intel || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->S2246 S2346 S2256 S4477 S4666 S4827 - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A200 PSAE1E (Inventec MW10M) || <!--Chipset-->Pentium M with 945GM Express Celeron M 520 1.6Ghz or Pentium® Core Duo T2130 1.86 GHz || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}}|| <!--SATA--> {{Maybe|SATA}}|| <!--Gfx--> {{Yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D and 3D)}}|| <!--Audio--> {{Yes|HD Audio ALC862}}|| <!--USB--> {{Yes| }}|| <!--Ethernet--> {{yes|RTL8101E rtl8139}}|| <!--Wireless--> {{yes|Atheros 5000 - FN,F5 or FN,F8 or switch}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 AspireOS 1.8 || <!--Comments-->2006 Excellent 32 bit support! - make sure that your WLAN card is enabled, do this using the hardware switch and FN+F8 key combination |- | <!--Name--> A210, Satellite A215 AMD (Inventec 10A) S5808 || <!--Chipset--> Ati with SB690 || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}}|| <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|SATA}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA HD2600 Mobility M76}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC268 || <!--USB--> {{Yes| }}|| <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8101E}}|| <!--Wireless--> {{yes|Atheros 5000}}|| <!--Test Distro-->2018 AspireOS 1.8 || <!--Comments-->A215-S7422 A215-S7472 A215-S4697 (USA) - |- | <!--Name--> [http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=62036 A215 S4757] || <!--Chipset--> Ati X1200 with SB600 || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}}|| <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|SATA}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> {{Yes| }}|| <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8101E}}|| <!--Wireless--> {{yes|Atheros 5000}}|| <!--Test Distro-->2017 AspireOS 1.8 || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Qosmio G30 (PQG31C-HD202E) || <!--Chipset-->945 with Duo T2500 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Nouveau Nvidia Go 7600 2d and 3d}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit - 17" UXGA 1920x1200, |- | <!--Name-->Tecra A10 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> {{Maybe|IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx--> {{Maybe|Intel GMA 4500M (2D)}} || <!--Audio--> {{Yes|HD Audio}} || <!--USB--> {{Yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel PRO 1000}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel WiFi Link 5100}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->64 bit possible |- | <!--Name-->L35 - L40 PSL48E - L45 S7423 || <!--Chipset-->GL960 with Intel Celeron || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|X3100 some 2D but software 3d tunnel 9 gearbox 4}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with ALC660 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|REALTEK 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek 8187b replace with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments-->1,73Ghz M 520 or M 540 or Dual T2310 (1.46 GHz) T2330 (1.6 GHz) - 14H 14N 15B 17H 17K 17R 17S 18Z - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite a300 - inventec potomac 10s pt10s A300D 21H || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio - Realtek || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8102E || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5005 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->satellite L300D-224 PSLC8E PSLC9E, l305 (inventec ps10s) || <!--Chipset-->AMD M780 with Turion RM70 or QL-64 || <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE}} || <!--SATA--> {{yes|SATA}} || <!--Gfx--> {{Maybe|use VESA for Radeon 3100}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio with Realtek ALC268}} || <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet--> {{no|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Atheros G XB63L or Intel or Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> Icaros Desktop Live 2.3 AROS One 2.3 || <!--Comments--> Wireless-handler crashing when using Atheros-Wireless-Card |- | <!--Name-->Satellite P300 (PSPC0C-01D01C) || <!--Chipset-->945GM with Intel Core 2 Duo T5750 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Audio-->{{No| codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| swap with Atheros 5k }} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 64bit || <!--Comments-->2007 |- | <!--Name-->satellite l300-1bw PSLBDE-005005AR, L300-148 PSLB0E, l300-20D PSLB8E-06Q007EN, l300-294 L300-23L PSLB9E || <!--Chipset-->Intel GM45 + PGA478 socket Celeron 900, Pentium T1600, T2390, T3400 (Socket P) to Core2 Duo T6400 T6670 || <!--IDE--> {{unk|IDE}} || <!--SATA--> {{unk|SATA}} || <!--Gfx--> {{Maybe|use VESA for Intel gma 4500M}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio with Realtek ALC???}} || <!--USB--> {{unk|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet--> {{unk|rtl8169 Realtek 810xE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel or Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64-bit - new unfamiliar Bios called insyde H20 - |- | <!--Name-->satellite l350d || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon (tm) X2 QL-60 + RS780M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 3100 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with Realtek || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek || <!--Wireless-->Realtek 8187b || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Satellite L450 12 13 14 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Sempron, 2.1GHz with AMD RS780M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 3200 (based on HD 2400) || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E || <!--Wireless-->Realtek 8172 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - 12X 13P 13X 14V PSLY6E00C006EN |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro L450 (Compal LA-5821P) 179 || <!--Chipset-->intel celeron 900 2.20 Ghz no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->intel 4500m || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->RTL8101 /2 /6E PCI Express Gigabit || <!--Wireless-->RTL8191 SEvB || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - 39.6cm (15.6”) Toshiba TruBrite® HD TFT 16:9 768p |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Toshiba Satellite P775, P775-S7320 and P775-10K || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core i5 (2nd Gen) 2430M i7-2630QM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2D for Intel}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 17.3" - 1600 x 900 (HD+) - 2 DDR3 sodimm max 16Gb - |- |<!--Name-->Toshiba Satellite C660D-19X || <!--Chipset-->AMD E-300 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2D for ATi}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio with Realtek codec}} || <!--USB-->{{no| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|r8169 rtl8101e}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek RTL8188 8192ce rtl8192ce}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->L755D (E-350) L750D (E-450) || <!--Chipset-->AMD E350 E450 no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 6310 6320 || <!--Audio-->HDAudio conexant codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Realtek || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro SP C640 C660D-15X (PSC1YE) C670D- () || <!--Chipset-->AMD E350 no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->6310G || <!--Audio-->HD Realtek ALC259 || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek || <!--Wireless-->Broadcom || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name-->C70D-A C75D-A || <!--Chipset-->E1-1200 no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|AMD HD8330}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HA Audio CX20751 11Z}} || <!--USB-->{{no| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Atheros AR8162 alx}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek 8188e}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit - |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- |} ====Misc==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Time 500 Packard Bell EasyOne 1450 1550 || <!--Chipset-->K6-3 500Mhz + VIA MVP4 vt82c686a || <!--IDE-->{{N/A|Issues}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA || <!--Audio-->{{No|VIA AC97 3058 with wolfson codec WM9703 WM9704 WM9707 WM9708 or WM9717}} || <!--USB-->via 3038 2 ports USB 1.1 untested || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro-->NB May 2013 || <!--Comments-->2001 32bit grub runs but stalls around [PCI] Everything OK |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Sony Vaio PCG FX201/FX202 FX210/FX215 FX401/FX402 FX404/FX405 972M, FX501/FX502 FX504/FX505 || <!--Chipset-->VIA KT133A KM133 Duron 800Mhz Athlon 1.3Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{partial|boot issue with 2013 kernel VIA [rev 06]}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|ATI Rage Mobility Pro (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|VIA AC97 686b [rev 50] AD1881A Ear phone and Mic}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|issues}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Comments-->Nightly 1st March 2013 || <!--Comments-->booting usb pendrive from Plop Boot Loader floppy (no bios USB boot). Can freeze coz hardware issue or a ram slot problem - no support for iLink firewire VT8363/8365 pci - vt82c686b |- | <!--Name-->Sony Vaio PCG FX601/FX602, FX604/FX605 FXA53(US), FX701/FX702, FX704/FX705, FX801/FX802 FX804/FX805 || <!--Chipset-->VIA KT133A KM133 Duron 800Mhz Athlon 1.3Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{partial|boot issue with 2013 kernel VIA [rev 06]}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|ATI Rage Mobility Pro (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|VIA AC97 686b [rev 50] AD1881A Ear phone and Mic}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|issues}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Comments-->Nightly 1st March 2013 || <!--Comments-->booting usb pendrive somes works |- | <!--Name-->Sony Vaio PCG FX100 R505LE || <!--Chipset-->Intel i815 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA Intel 82815 CGC || <!--Audio-->Intel ICH AC97 with ADI AD1881A codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel e100 || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->PCG-FX105 FX105K PCG-FX108 FX108K PCG-FX109 FX109K FX200 FX203/FX203K FX205 FX205K FX209 FX209K FX220 [http://juljas.net/linux/vaiofx240/ FX240] FX250 FX270 FX290 FX301 FX302 FX340 FX370 FX390 FX403 FX503 FX950 |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | Sony VAIO VGN X505VP || Pentium M ULV and Intel 855GM || {{yes}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|Intel 855 (VESA only)}} || {{yes|AC97}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100 VE}} || {{N/A}} || || 2004 32bit - 0.38 inches at its thinnest point - first laptop to feature a "chiclet" keyboard resemble Chiclets gum - |- | <!--Name-->Sony Z505LE Z505JE || <!--Chipset-->P3 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->n/a || <!--Gfx-->Rage Mobility M1 AGP mach64 || <!--Audio-->no Yamaha DS-XG PCI YMF744 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 8255x based PCI e100 || <!--Wireless-->n/a || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Panasonic Toughbook CF-18 || <!--Chipset-->Core || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|gma for i915}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 SigmaTel}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|usb2 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL 8139C}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel swap for atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' D02 test || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Panasonic Toughbook CF-29 CF-30 || <!--Chipset-->Core || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use VESA || <!--Audio-->AC97 SigmaTel || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8139C || <!--Wireless-->Intel || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit |- | <!--Name-->MSI Microstar PR210 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA ATi RS690M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio through speaker / head phones but not hdmi}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek 8111 8169}} || <!--Wireless-->Atheros AR242x AR542x aw-ge780 mini pci-e || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit - ENE PCI based SD card with no bios boot option |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Advent 7106 EAA-88 || <!--Chipset-->Pentium M 1.7GHz with 915GM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D and 3D tunnel 187 gearbox 67}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 Intel ICH6 with Conexant Cx20468 31 codec playback head phones only}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 2200BG Fn/F2 replaced with atheros mini pci in small base panel - startup errors in wireless manager}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 14" cheap rubbish sadly - fan noise through audio channel - |- | <!--Name-->Motion Computing LE1600 PC Slate || <!--Chipset-->915 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->915 || <!--Audio-->Intel AC97 SigmaTel STAC9758 9759 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8169 || <!--Wireless-->Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 serial Wacom digitiser not usb |- | <!--Name-->Panasonic Toughbook CF-51 CF-P1 CF-T5 CF-Y2 || <!--Chipset-->945GMS || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom || <!--Wireless-->Intel || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Sony Vaio VGN-AR11S || <!--Chipset-->ntel Core Duo T2500 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes| Nvidia Go 7600}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro-->Aros One 32bit || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit - 17" 1920x1200 - blu-ray - |- | Sony Vaio VGN SR29VN || Intel ICH9 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|IDE legacy}} || {{partial|ATI HD 3400 (VESA only)}} || {{partial|HD Audio (too quiet)}} || {{yes|USB1.1 and USB2.0}} || {{no|Marvell 8040}} || {{no|Intel 5100}} || Icaros 1.5 || 2007 32bit - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Wyse XM Class DELL WYSE Xn0m LAPTOP || <!--Chipset-->AMD T-G56N 1.6 1.65Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} || <!--SATA-->decased 2.5in ssd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d only AMD 6320}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|EHCI 2.0 with NEC uPD720200 USB 3.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek rtl8169 8111E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros 93xx}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 1366 x 768 14" - 2 ddr3l slots max 16gb - 19v coax barrel plug psu - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI Ge40 Ge60 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 4 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GTX 860M || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Killer}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->MSI GE62 2QF Apache Pro || <!--Chipset-->Intel 5 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GTX 970M || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Killer }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->MSI GS65 Stealth || <!--Chipset-->i7-8750H and later i7-9750H || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->GeForce GTX 1060 or 1070 Max Q, GTX 1660 Ti, RTX 2080 Max-Q || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio }} || <!--USB-->{{unk|US3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte P35X || <!--Chipset-->Intel || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->GTX 980M || <!--Audio-->HDaudio || <!--USB-->USB3 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Panasonic Toughpad FZ-G1 MK2 || <!--Chipset-->Core i5-3437U, 1.9GHz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->ToughPad FZ-G1 Mk3 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core i5-4310U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->Intel HD 4400 || <!--Audio-->HDaudio Codec ALC255 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->[https://wiki.recessim.com/view/Panasonic_Toughpad_FZ-G1_MK4 Panasonic Toughpad FZ-G1 MK4] || <!--Chipset-->intel 6300U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->Intel 520 || <!--Audio-->HDaudio with ALC256 codec - o/c or s/c fails early || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 but options on the right hand side of screen case}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|intel ac 8260}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 10.1in 1600x1200 - 4gb ddr3l soldered - waterproof pen left hand side base - optional slot-in 4g lte and sdhc - 16v 4.06A 64.96W panasonic barrel - |- | <!--Name-->Panasonic Toughpad FZ-G1 MK5 || <!--Chipset-->intel i5-7300U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->Intel 620 || <!--Audio-->HDaudio ALC295 codec - o/c or s/c fails early || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 but optional usb2 plugin r.h.s. of screen casing}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 8gb ddr3l soldered - 10.1" WUXGA 1920 x 1200 with LED backlighting screen 2-800 nit - 10-point capacitive multi touch + Waterproof Digitizer pen l.h.s - |- | <!--Name-->ToughPad FZ-M1 || <!--Chipset-->Intel® Core TM m5-6Y57 vPro TM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->Intel HD 4200 || <!--Audio-->HDaudio with ALC codec || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 7in 800p - 8gb ddr3l soldered - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Any Razor Razer laptops || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->AVOID unable to remove secure boot |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ===Netbook=== [[#top|...to the top]] * PC to write Aros image onto an USB pendrive with Raspberry PI writer, USB writer or Rufus for boot purposes on a netbook * SD card sometimes can boot like Dell 2100, EeePC 1001P, ASUS EeePC 900, acer aspire one d150, MSI Wind U100, ====Acer Packard Bell Netbooks==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width=100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | Aspire One AOA110 (A110) (ZG5) || Intel 945GSE || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA (2D and 3D) tunnel 99 and gearbox 84 score}} || {{Yes|HD Audio ALC6628}} || {{Yes|USB1.1 and USB2.0}} || {{Yes|rtl8169 RTL8101E}} || {{Yes|AR5006}} atheros 5k || 2016 AspireOS 1.8, 2025 Aros One 2.6 32bit USB || 2007 32bit 1 core - 19v barrel A13-045N2A 19V2.37A 45W 5.5x1.7mm - |- | Aspire One AOA150 (A150) (ZG5) || Intel 945GSE || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|ide mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 2D and accelerated 3D with tunnel 99 and gearbox 84.1 result}} || {{Yes|HD Audio ALC6628}} || {{Yes|uhci and ehci}} || {{Yes|rtl8169 RTL8101E}} || {{Yes|AR5006}} atheros 5k || 2016 AspireOS 1.8, 2025 aros one 2.6 32bit USB || 2007 32bit 1 core - 19v barrel - |- | Aspire One AOD150 D150 (Compal LA-4781P), AOD110 D110 (ssd) || Intel 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|ide legacy}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{Yes|HDAudio with alc272}} || {{Yes|USB}} || {{No|Atheros AR8121 AR8113 AR8114 l1e}} || {{Maybe|AR5007EG AR5BXB63 works but Broadcom BCM4312 has no support}} || 2010 Icaros Desktop 1.3, 2024 Aros one 32bit USB || 2008 32bit 1 core - 19v barrel - |- | Aspire One (ZG8) || Intel 945G and N270 || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|ide mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 2D and accelerated 3D}} || {{maybe|HD Audio }} || {{Yes|uhci and ehci}} || {{No|Broadcom }} || {{no|Intel}} || 2014 AspireOS 1.8 || 2009 32bit - |- | Aspire One AOD250 D250 emachines em250 || 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|ide legacy}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{Yes|alc272 HD Audio}} || {{Yes}} || {{No|AR8132 (L1c)}} || {{No|BCM4312 or Atheros AR5B95}} || 2010 Icaros 1.3 || 2009 32bit 1 core - 19v barrel - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire AO532H (Compal LA-5651p) 533H Pineview || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio playback}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|AR8132 (L1c)}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros 9k}} || [http://www.amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?mode=flat&order=0&item_id=5968 Tested AspireOS June 2011] || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->emachines eM350 NAV51 || <!--Chipset--> with N450 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 3150 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.2 || <!--Comments-->Single core 64bit - 160GB HDD 1GB RAM 10.1" LED backlit screen and Webcam - 3 cell li-ion battery for 3 hours usage - |- | <!--Name-->emachines eM355 || <!--Chipset--> with N455 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->64bit support possible - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire One 533 || <!--Chipset-->N455 with NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D 0x8086 0xa011}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes| ALC272 codec ich7}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros AR8152 v1.1 1c}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom 4313}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1 and AROS One 2.3 || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - f2 setup - 10.1inch 1024 x 768 - |- | Aspire One AOD255 AOD255e AOD260 AOHAPPY (Compal LA-6221P) || N570 and Nm10 || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|SATA}} || {{Maybe|Intel GMA 3150}} || Audio || USB || {{No|Atheros AR8152 V1.1 (1lc)}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM4313}} || || a little support |- | Aspire One 522 AO522 (Compal LA-7072p) || 1GHz dual C-50 C50 or C-60 C60 + Hudson M1 || {{N/A}} || SATA || AMD 6250 (ATI 9804) or 6290 || ATI SB CX20584 HD Audio || USB || Atheros 8152 v2.0 l1c || {{No|Broadcom BCM4313 or Atheros ath9k}} || || |- | <!--Name-->AAOD270 Aspire One D270 || <!--Chipset-->N2600 Cedarview || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D on Intel GMA 3650}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8169 RTL8101E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4313 but swap for Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit atom - ddr2 so-dimm 2gb max - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire One AO532G (Compal LA-6091p) || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Aspire One D257 (Quanta ZE6) || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire One 722 AO722 P1VE6 || <!--Chipset-->AMD C-60 C60 with SB900 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe| use VESA Ati 6290}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with codec but no Wrestler HDMI output}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Qualcomm Atheros AR8152 v2.0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9485}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Aspire One AO721 (Wistron SJV10-NL) || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->AO751 AO751H (Quanta ZA3) || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Packard Bell Dot .S || <!--Chipset-->N280 + || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|legacy}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA950 (2D)}}|| <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC272X || <!--USB--> USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Atheros l1e}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Atheros 9k}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Packard Bell Dot .SE || <!--Chipset-->N450 + || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->legacy || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA950 (2D) || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC|| <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Packard Bell Dot .S2 NAV50 || <!--Chipset-->N455 NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel X3150 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC269 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Atheros || <!--Wireless-->Atheros || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Packard Bell Dot M/A || <!--Chipset-->1.2GHz Athlon L110 + RS690E || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->legacy mode? || <!--Gfx-->AMD ATI Radeon Xpress X1270 (VESA only) || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ATI SBx00 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E rtl8169 || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Asus Netbooks==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | [http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/Models eeePC] 700 701 2G 4G 8G Surf || Intel 910GML + ICH7 || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 900 2D and 3D tunnel 68 gearbox 43 on 701 800x480}} || {{Yes|ALC662 HD Audio}} || {{Yes|UHCI and EHCI}} || {{No|Atheros L2}} || {{Yes|Atheros 5k AR5007EG (AR2425 works}} || 2016 Icaros 2.1.1, 2.1.2, Aros One 2.5 32bit USB, || 2007 32bit - power supplies fail due to bad caps issue 9.5V 2.5A 24W Charger AD59930 4.8*1.7MM - |- | [http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/Models eeePC] 701SD || Intel 910GML + ICH7 || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{Maybe|Intel GMA 900 (2D)}} || {{Yes|ALC662 HD Audio}} || {{Yes|UHCI and EHCI}} || {{No|Atheros L2}} || {{No|RTL8187SE swap with Atheros 5k}} || 2014 AspireOS 1.7, || 2007 32bit - boot issues but does boot with ATA=32bit,nopoll or ATA=nodma,nopoll |- | [http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/Models eeePC] 900 || Intel 910GML + ICH7 || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{Maybe|Intel GMA 900 (2D, 3D in some models)}} || {{Yes|ALC662 HD Audio}} || {{Yes|UHCI and EHCI}} || {{No|Atheros L2}} || {{Maybe|depends on chipset AR5007EG (AR2425) works but not RaLink}} || 2014 AspireOS 1.7, || 2008 32bit - boot issues but does boot with ATA=32bit,nopoll or ATA=nodma,nopoll. 900's may need BIOS upgrade to boot usb optical drives. 3D available in some model revisions - AD59230 9.5v 2.31a psu - |- | eeePC 900A || 945GSE || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 950 (3D)}} || {{Yes|HD Audio ALC269}} || {{Yes|USB2.0}} || {{No|Atheros L1e [1969 1026]}} || {{Yes|Atheros 5k AR242x}} || Nightly Build 2012, 2023 Aros One 32bit 2.4 || 2009 32bit |- | eeePC 901 1000 || 945GM || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{Yes|ALC269 HD Audio}} || {{Yes|USB}} || {{No|Atheros L1E (AR8121 AR8113 AR8114)}} || {{No|RaLink Device 2860 swap with Atheros 5k}} || 2011 Icaros 1.4, || 2009 32bit - 12v 3a psu - |- | eeePC Seashell 1000HA 1000HE 1008 1005HA || N280 + Intel GMA950 || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{Yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{Yes|HD Audio ALC269}} || {{Yes|USB}} || {{Maybe|Realtek but not Atheros AR8132 (L1c)}} || {{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || 2014 Aspire OS 1.6, || 2010 32bit - 12v 3a psu - |- | <!--Name-->eeePC 1001ha || <!--Chipset-->GMA945 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->legacy || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 950 (2D) || <!--Audio-->ALC269 HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Attansic Atheros AR8132 l1c}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RaLink RT3090 swap with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2010 32bit |- | eeePC 1001P T101MT 1005PX 1005PE 1015PE Pineview 1001PXD || NM10 and N450 N455 CPU || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D)}} || {{Yes|HD Audio}} || {{Yes|USB 2.0}} || {{No|Atheros AR8132 (l1c)}} || {{unk|Atheros AR928x 802.11n}} || 2010 Icaros 1.3.3, || 2011 64bit - 19V 2.1A 2.3x0.7 - |- | EeePC 1015B 1215B || single C-30 C30 or dual C-50 C50 + Hudson M1 || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{partial|AMD 6250 (VESA only)}} || ATI SBx00 HD Audio || USB || {{No|AR8152 v2.0 atl1c}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM4313 [14e4 4727]}} || untested recently || 2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->Flare X101CH Cedarview || <!--Chipset-->N2600 + N10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 6300 || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros l1c 2.0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros 9k AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Flare 1025CE 1225CE || <!--Chipset-->N2800 + N10 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{dunno|Intel GMA 3600}} || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros l1c 2.0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros 9k AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Dell Netbooks==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | Inspiron 910 Mini 9 PP39S Vostro A90 || GMA945 || {{Maybe|STEC 8G 16G 32G IDE PATA Parallel ATA miniPCIE SSD 50MM / 70MM very slow}} || {{N/A| }} || {{yes|Intel GMA 2D and 3D opengl1}} || {{yes|ALC268 HD Audio}} || {{yes|USB2 boots and works}} || {{yes|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8102E}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4310 and 4312 swap with atheros 5k bx32}} || ICAROS 1.3 but Icaros 2.3 (pci issues), AROS One 2.6 and Tiny AROS (digiclock startup) mouse cursor vanishes || 2008 32bit - 9inch 1024x600 screen - 1 ddr2 sodimm slot max 2gig - 19v 1.58a - 0 boot disk select - cr2032 battery under laptop base cover, while mem 2GB max under base flap - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron Mini 10 1010 PP19S || <!--Chipset-->Atom Z520 Z530 Intel US15W Poulsbo || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Intel GMA 500 (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio ALC269 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 RTL8102E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel or BCM4312}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2008 32bit - 10.10 inch 16:9, 1366 x 768 glossy - 28whr or 56wHr battery options - |- | [https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport/Machines/Netbooks#Dell%20Mini%2010v%20(Inspiron%201011) Mini 10v 1011] [http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Dell/InspironMini10v]|| Intel 950 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|ide legacy mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{maybe|HDAudio}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|RTL8102E 8103E}} || {{no|Dell 1397 Wireless}} || untested || 2008 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron Mini 1018 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Atom N455 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{partial|IDE mode }} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D, no VGA output)}} || <!--Audio-->{{partial|HD Audio head phones only - speaker and micro phone do not work}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|RTL8188CE or AR928X}} || <!--Test Distro-->2011 Icaros 1.5.1, || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - 1 DDR3 max 2gb - |- | Latitude 2100 || Intel Atom N270 N280 1.60Ghz GMA 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{Yes|set to IDE in bios as ahci not working || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D and 3D with tunnel 98 and gearbox 84)}} || {{yes|HD Audio with ALC272 codec}} || {{yes|USB2.0}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM5764M}} || {{No|Intel 5100 or BCM4322 DW 1510 half height mini pcie use small Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 AspireOS 1.8, Icaros 2.1.1 and AROS One USB 2.4 || 2009 32bit ddr2 sodimm max 2G - [https://sites.google.com/site/arosaspireone/about-aspire-one Webcam and card reader not working] lcd cable over hinge an issue - f12 bios and boot - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude 2110 2120 || <!--Chipset-->N470 1.83Ghz, N455 1.6Ghz, N550 1.5Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|ATA mode in bios not ahci}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel 3150 2D only}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with ALC269 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| swap for Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro-->2014 Icaros 2.3, || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - ddr2 sodimm |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====HP Compaq Netbooks==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | HP Mini 2133 || VIA C7-M P4M900 / 8237 VX700 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SATA}} || {{maybe|VIA Chrome 9 HC (VESA only)}} || {{no|VT1708/A HD Audio}} || USB || {{no|Broadcom Corp NetXtreme BCM5788}} || {{no|Broadcom Corp BCM4312}} || untested || 2008 32bit - |- | HP mini 1000 Mi 2140 ks145ut || N270 + 945GM || {{N/A}} || SATA || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D and opengl1 3d)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio (playback tested)}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || {{no|Marvell 88E8040}} || {{no|Broadcom Corp BCM4312 hard blocked}} || untested || 2009 32Bit - unable to change wifi card |- | <!--Name-->HP Mini 700 702 || <!--Chipset-->N270 + 945GSE || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio IDT 92HD75B (111d:7608, only playback tested)}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom hard locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - |- | Compaq HP Mini 110 110-3112sa || 945GM Express || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|IDE mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{yes|HD Audio IDT STAC 92xx}} || {{yes|USB 2.0}} || {{no|Atheros}} || {{no|Broadcom hard blocked Fn+F12}} || untested || 2009 32bit - unable to change wifi |- | HP Mini 200 210 || 945GM NM10 Express || {{N/A}} || SATA || Intel GMA 950 || {{Maybe|HDAudio with }} || USB || RTL8101E RTL8102E || {{no|Broadcom BCM4312 hard locked}} || untested || 2009 32bit - |- | HP Mini 311 DM1 (Quanta FP7) || N280 + ION LE || {{N/A}} || SATA || nVidia Geforce ION || {{maybe|HDAudio with }} || USB || eth || {{No|hard locked}} || untested || 2009 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |} ====Lenovo Netbooks==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | IdeaPad S9 S9e(3G) S10 S10e(3G) || 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SATA}} || {{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{maybe|ALC269 or SigmaTel HD Audio}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{no|Broadcom NetLink BCM5906M}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4312 hard blocked}} || untested || 2009 32bit - |- | IdeaPad S12 || Intel Atom N270 + Nvidia ION LE MCP79 || {{N/A}} || SATA || nVidia C79 ION [Quadro FX 470M] || {{maybe|ALC269 HD Audio}} || USB || {{no|Broadcom}} || {{no|Intel locked down}} || 2012 Icaros 2.0, || 2009 32bit - does not boot - cause unknown |- | S10-2 || 945GME and N280 CPU || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{maybe|ALC269 HD Audio}} || {{yes}} || {{yes|rtl8169}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4312 hard blocked}} || 2011 Icaros 1.3, || 2009 32bit - |- | S10-3 || NM410 and N450 CPU || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D)}} || {{maybe|HD Audio ALC269}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|rtl8169}} || {{no|Atheros 9285 or Broadcom BCM4312 hard blocked}} || 2011 Icaros 1.3, || 2009 32bit - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Samsung Netbooks==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | [http://www.amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=616910&topic_id=33755&forum=28#616910 NC10] || 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SATA}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{partial|SigmaTel HD Audio (playback only)}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{maybe|rtl8169 works but not Marvell 88E8040 sky2}} || {{yes|AR5007EG}} || 2011 Icaros 1.4, || 2009 32bit - Nano silver on keyboard and lcd ribbon cable over hinge issues |- | [http://www.sammywiki.com/wiki/Samsung_NC20 NC20] || VIA VX800 || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{maybe|VIA Chrome9 (VESA only)}} || ALC272 GR (VT1708A) HD Audio || {{yes|USB}} || {{no|Marvell 88E8040}} || {{yes|Atheros AR5001}} || untested || 2009 32bit - |- | NP-N110 NP-N120 || 945GSE || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{yes|ALC272 HD Audio or ALC6628}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{no|Marvell 88E8040}} || {{no|Realtek rtl8187}} || untested || 2009 32bit - Namuga 1.3M Webcam none |- | NP-N130 || 945GSE || {{N/A}} || {{yes|SATA in IDE mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 2D and opengl 1.x 99.5 tunnel 99 gearbox}} || {{yes|Intel HD with ALC272 ALC269 codec playback}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|RTL 8169.device - 8101e 8102e}} || {{no|rtl 8192se rtl8187 too small an area to swap for atheros 5k}} || untested || 2009 32bit - 10.x inch 1024 x 600 - Namuga 1.3M Webcam - front slide power on and f2 setup bios - keyboard 17.7mm Pitch is made with Silver Nano (Anti-Bacterial) tech - small touchpad - 1 ddr2 2rx16 sodimm slot 2G max - 44Wh |- | <!--Name-->Go NP-N310 || <!--Chipset-->N270 + 945GME || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio ALC6628}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{yes|Atheros5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2010 32bit - N280 version changed specs |- | NP-N510 || N270 euro N280 uk + ION MCP79 || {{N/A}} || SATA || nVidia C79 ION [Quadro FX 470M] || HD Audio || USB || Marvell 88E8040 || Realtek 8192E || untested || 2010 32bit - does not boot - cause unknown |- | NP-N145 Plus || n450 + NM10 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D, no VGA output)}} || {{yes|Realtek HD Audio}} || {{yes|USB2.0}} || {{no|Marvell 88E8040}} || {{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || untested || 2010 some support but often the trackpad does not work |- | <!--Name-->NC110 Axx || <!--Chipset-->NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->Sata || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC269 codec A9M22Q2 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4313 or Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - |- | NF210 Pineview || n455 or n550 + N10 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SATA}} || {{maybe|Intel GMA 3150 (needs retesting, VESA works)}} || {{yes|HD Audio}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{no|Marvell 88E8040}} || Wireless || untested || 2011 64bit - some support |- | <!--Name-->NS310 NP-NS310-A03UK || <!--Chipset-->N570 with NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use Vesa 2d }} || <!--Audio-->{{yes| ich7}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 realtek 810xe }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|bcm4313 }} || <!--Test Distro-->2022 AROS One 2.3, || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit Atom N570 or 1.5 GHz Intel Atom N550 dual core processor, 1 DDR3 sodimm slot memory, a 250GB hard drive, and a 10.1 inch, 1024 x 600 pixel 10.1" W7St - 2300mAh short life - |- | <!--Name-->[https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Samsung_N150 N150] NB30 || <!--Chipset-->MN10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8040}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285 or Realtek 8192E}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2011 a little support |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.kruedewagen.de/wiki/index.php/Samsung_N220 N210 N220] N230 || <!--Chipset-->N450 + NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC269 || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit no sse4.1 or avx - |- | <!--Name-->NC110 Pxx Cedarview || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{dunno|Intel GMA 3600}} || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 6000g}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- |} ====Toshiba Netbooks==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->NB100 || <!--Chipset-->945GM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|legacy}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC262 HD Audio}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{yes|AR5001}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Mini NB200 series NB205 || <!--Chipset-->N280 + GSE945 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|IDE legacy mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->ALC272 HD Audio || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{maybe|AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2009 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Mini 300 series NB305 || <!--Chipset-->N455 with NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->legacy || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 3150 (2D) || <!--Audio-->ALC272 HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|RTL8101E RTL8102E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{maybe|AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Mini 500 series NB505 NB520 NB550-10v || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->legacy || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 3150 (2D) || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|RTL8101E RTL8102E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek 8176 RTL 8188CE}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit - |- | [http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Toshiba-NB550D-AMD-Fusion-Netbook.46551.0.html Mini NB550D 10G] 108 (c30) 109 (c50) || C-50 + M1 || {{N/A}} || SATA || AMD 6250 (VESA only) || HD Audio || USB || {{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek 8111e}} || {{maybe|Atheros 9k}} || untested || 2011 64bit Realtek SD card reader |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Misc Netbooks==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="30%" |Comments |- | Cammy's A1600 || GME945 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe}} || {{yes|Intel GMA950 (2D)}} || {{yes|HD Audio playback}} || {{yes}} || {{no|JMC 250/260}} || Wireless || 2010 Icaros 1.2.4, || 2009 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu Siemens Amilo Mini Ui 3520 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 945 || <!--ACPI--> || <!--SATA-->{{yes}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->ALC269 HD Audio || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{yes|AR5001}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - |- | Guillemot Hercules eCafe EC-900 H60G-IA], Mitac MiStation and Pioneer Computers Dreambook Light U11 IL1 || Intel 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{maybe}} || {{yes|Intel GMA950 (2D)}} || {{Yes|HD Audio (playback only)}} || {{yes|uhci and ehci}} || {{yes|rtl8169}} || {{no|RAlink RT2860}} || untested || 2009 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Hannspree Hannsnote SN10E2 24 48 || <!--Chipset-->N450 + NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->IDE legacy mode || <!--Gfx-->Pineview Intel (2D) || <!--Audio-->ALC HD Audio || <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->Atheros l1c || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2009 32bit - |- | MSI Wind U90/U100 || GME945 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{partial|HD Audio ALC888s (playback only?)}} || {{yes|uhci 1.1 and ehci 2.0}} || {{yes|rtl8169}} || {{no|RaLink RT2860 RT2700E or rtl8187se (u100x)}} || 2011 Icaros 1.3, || 2009 32bit - |- | Advent 4211 || 945GSE || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || Intel GMA950 (2D) || ALC HD Audio || USB || rtl8169 || {{no|Intel 3945 ABG}} || untested || 2009 32bit - MSI U100 clone |- | <!--Name-->Hannspree Hannsnote SN10E1 || <!--Chipset-->N270 + GMA945 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->ALC HD Audio || <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E RTL8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|RaLink RT2860}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2009 32bit MSI U100 clone |- | <!--Name--> Vaio VGN-P11Z | <!--Chipset--> | <!--IDE--> {{dunno}} | <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} | <!--Gfx--> {{Partial|Intel (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{no|HD Audio}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Marvell}} | <!--Wireless--> {{unk|Atheros AR928X}} | <!--Test Distro-->2012 Icaros 2.0.3 | <!--Comments-->2008 32bit Rarely boots! |- | <!--Name-->Sony VPC-W11S1E | <!--Chipset-->N280 with 945GSE | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA950 - hdmi}} | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with realtek codec | <!--USB-->3 USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros AR8132}} | <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} | <!--Test Distro-->untested | <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - 10.1" 1366 x 768 glossy - 3hr battery life - |- | <!--Name-->Archos 10 Netbook || <!--Chipset-->Atom with ICH7 NM10 945GSE || <!--IDE-->{{No }} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC662 codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2008 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->MSI Wind U135 DX MS-N014 || <!--Chipset-->Intel N455 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D only accelerated}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|ALC662 rev 1}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|RTL}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros AR 9K}} || <!--Test Distro-->2015 Icaros 2.1, || <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - needs noacpi notls added to grub boot line to start up |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ===Desktop Systems=== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" | <!--OK-->{{Yes|'''Works well'''}} || <!--May work-->{{Maybe|'''Works a little'''}} || <!--Not working-->{{No|'''Does not work'''}} || <!--Not applicable-->{{N/A|'''N/A not applicable'''}} |- |} ====Acer==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->[https://www.acer.com/ac/en/ID/content/support-product/486;-; Veriton X270 VTX270] Intel Core 2 Duo ED7400C or Pentium dual-core UD7600C with 630i | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d Nvidia 7100 VGA and HDMI connections}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe| with realtek codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|4 rear and 5 front}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe| nForce}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 dvd | <!--Comments-->2009 64bit capable but would not fully boot, DHCP address timeout too short and failed often. Put in a third party NIC, worked - 1 PCI Express x16 slot and a free PCI x1 slot - internal thin long psu with 12pin - |- | <!--Name--> Imedia S1710 with Intel Dual Core E5200 | <!--IDE--> {{Yes|SATA/AHCI}} | <!--SATA--> {{Maybe|Native IDE}} | <!--Gfx--> {{Yes|Nvidia nForce 7100}} | <!--Audio--> {{Yes|Nvidia MCP73}} | <!--USB--> {{Yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{No|NVIDIA MCP73 Ethernet}} | <!--Test Distro--> Nightly Build 14-09-2023, AROS One 2.3 | <!--Comments--> 2009 64-bit - Boot over USB not working on front - 2 DDR2 dual channel max 8GB - DEL for entering Bios - F12 for boot menu - Bus weird, could be reason for Ethernet issue |- | <!--Name-->Acer Revo AR1600, R1600 AR3600, R3600, Packard Bell IMAX Mini N3600, ACER Veriton N260G N270G slim nettop subcompact | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|Native IDE mode, '''when it works''' boots}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Nvidia ION GeForce 9300M - nouveau 3d - '''when it boots''' 400 fps in shell'ed gearbox, 278 in tunnel, 42 in teapot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with alc662 codec but nothing from HDMI audio}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|Nvidia USB boot usb2 stick issues and slower with usb3 drives}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|MCP79 nForce}} | <!--Test Distro-->ArosOne 32bit very often boot stuck around ehciInit, 64bit ... | <!--Comments-->2009 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 Intel Atom 230 N280 - 20cm/8" high 1 ltr noisy fan - DEL setup F12 boot options - 2 ddr2 sodimm slots max 4GB - 19v special barrel size 5.5mm/1.7mm psu - 2 ddr2 sodimm slots max 4GB - atheros 5k AR5BXB63 wifi - 3 wire CMOS coin battery - |- | <!--Name-->Revo AR3610 R3610 3610 Atom 330 nettop subcompact dual core | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|Native IDE mode, '''when it works''' boots}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Nvidia ION GeForce 9400M LE MCP79MX 0x10de 0x087d - nouveau 3d - '''when it boots''' 400 fps in shell'ed gearbox, 278 in tunnel, 42 in teapot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with Realtek alc662 rev1 alc662-hd later ALC885 codec but nothing from HDMI audio}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|Nvidia USB with 1% chance slow boot with usb2 sticks, more issues with usb3 drives}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|RTL8211CL MCP79 nForce 0x10de 0x0ab0}} | <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 32bit 1.5, 1.6 and 2.4 usb around ehciInit or Kernel SATA, etc try ATA=off, and 64bit 1.2 USB boot often stuck at device 0x00000000b05228c8 interrrupt by using noacpi noiopica | <!--Comments-->2010 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 20cm/8" high 1 ltr noisy fan - non usb hub keyboard - DEL bios setup, F12 BBS POPUP/drive boot - 2 ddr2 sodimm slots max 4GB - 19v barrel psu with smaller inner pin size 5.5mm/1.7mm - replace wifi RT3090 ver c (0x1814 0x3090) with atheros 5k - 3 wire CMOS coin battery - |- | <!--Name-->Revo N281G | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|GMA 2d for GMA 3100}} | <!--Audio-->HD audio codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX and SSE 4.1 Atom D425 - 19v 65w barrel psu thinner inner pin - 2 DDR3L single channel max 4GB - replace wifi RT3090 ver d with atheros 5k mini pci-e - 1lr or 1.5 ltr dvdrw case 209.89 mm, (D) 209.89 mm, (H) 35.35 mm - del enter bios - 3 wire CMOS coin battery - |- | <!--Name-->REVO AR3700 R3700 3700 - ACER Veriton N282G *one long beep with two short - bios damaged *looping one long two short - video card fault *two short beeps - CMOS damaged *got one long and one short beep - board error? | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE ready in Bios * Known issue, boot into bios, set bios to UEFI and reboot, set bios back to defaults and reboot, blank display, repair with reflash of 8 pin Winbond W25Q socketed bios chip with ch341a using P01.B0L or P01.A4 renamed amiboot.rom}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Nvidia ION2 GT218 9400M class 0x10de 0x0a64 with vga fine but hdmi fussy over cable and display port used - 32bit nouveau 2d & 3d gearbox 404 tunnel 292 teapot 48 - 64bit not detected}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDA Intel with Realtek ALC662 rev1 codec 0x10ec 0x0662, head phones only but nothing from NVidia HDMI 0x10de 0x000b}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|Intel® NM10 Express (NM10 is basically an ICH7 with a die shrink and IDE removed) USB boots usb, installs usb, accesses ok}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 Realtek rtl8111g}} | <!--Test Distro-->AROS one 32bit USB 1.5 and 1.6 and ArosOne 64bit usb 1.2 | <!--Comments-->2011 Atom D525 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 20cm/8" high 1 ltr noisy fan - early 2 ddr2 sodimm slots but later 2 ddr3 sodimm slots 1Rx8 max 4GB - 19v barrel psu thinner pin - replace wifi RT3090 ver d with atheros 5k mini pci-e - cmos 3pin cr2032CL plastic wrapped - del bios f12 boot choice - |- | <!--Name-->Revo 70 (RL70) with or without dvdrw | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->6320 or 6310 | <!--Audio-->HD audio ALC662-VCO-GR codec | <!--USB-->USB2, 1.1 Hudson D1 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111E | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 AMD E450 1.65GHz - 19v 65w barrel psu thinner inner pin - 2 DDR3L single channel max 4GB - replace wifi RT3090 ver d with atheros 5k mini pci-e - 1lr or 1.5 ltr dvdrw case 209.89 mm, (D) 209.89 mm, (H) 35.35 mm - del enter bios - |- |} ====Asus==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->EEEbox B202 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA950 | <!--Audio-->Intel Azalia HDaudio with Realtek ALC662 or ALC888-GR CODEC | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111 or JM250 | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros | <!--Comments-->internal 3 types of wifi chipset not supported |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Dell==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name--> Precision 340 | <!--IDE--> {{yes}} | <!--SATA--> {{n/a}} | <!--Gfx--> {{n/a}} | <!--Audio--> {{yes|Intel AC97}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 1.1 (UHCI)}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{yes|3Com}} | <!--Test Distro--> Nightly Build 2014 09-27 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Dimension 2400 | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel 82845GL Brookdale G/GE (VESA 640x480 by 16)}} | <!--Audio-->{{Unk|AC97 with ADI codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|UHCI EHCI}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom 440x 4401}} | <!--Test Distro-->[http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?p=832495 Icaros 1.4] | <!--Comments-->Graphics chipset is capable of higher resolution. |- | <!--Name-->Dimension 4600 | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{dunno}} | <!--Gfx-->{{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel AC97 (use rear black port)}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|UHCI/EHCI}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Intel PRO/100}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.5.2 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex 170L | <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE}} | <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{no|Intel AC97}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{yes|Intel PRO/100}} | <!--Test Distro--> {{dunno}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex GX260 | <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE}} | <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{yes|Intel AC97}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Intel PRO/1000}} | <!--Test Distro--> Nightly Build 2014 09-27 | <!--Comments--> |- | Optiplex GX270 | {{yes|Working}} | {{partial|IDE mode}} | {{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | {{yes|Intel AC97}} | {{yes|USB 2.0}} | {{no|Intel PRO/1000}} | Icaros 1.5.2 | <!--Comments--> |- | Optiplex GX280 | {{yes|Working}} | {{partial|IDE mode}} | {{maybe|Intel GMA (only VESA tested)}} | {{yes|Intel AC97}} | {{yes|USB 2.0}} | {{no|Broadcom}} | Nightly Build 2014 09-27 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex GX520 | <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE}} | <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx--> {{yes|Intel GMA}} | <!--Audio--> {{partial|Intel AC97 (no line-out)}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro--> {{dunno}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex 745 | <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel GMA (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{partial|HD Audio (no volume control)}} | <!--USB--> {{partial|Only keyboard mouse (legacy mode)}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro--> {{dunno}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex 755 | <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel GMA (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{no|HD Audio}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Intel Gigabit}} | <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.5.1 | <!--Comments--> Around 25 second delay in booting from USB |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex 990 | <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> {{partial|non-RAID mode}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel HD (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Intel Gigabit}} | <!--Test Distro--> Nightly Build 2014 09-27 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Optiplex 360 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|ordinary boot gives VGA mode only - VESA}} | <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio (Analog Devices ID 194a)}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro-->Aspire Xenon | <!--Comments-->poor support |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse Vx0 (V90 V30), Vx0L (V10L V90L), Vx0LE (V30LE V90LE) from VIA C7 800GHz to Eden 1.2GHz | <!--IDE-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for S3 UniChrome Pro}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 VIA VT8233A with ?? codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 back and 1 front USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|early models work but later VT6102-3 do not}} | <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 2.2 | <!--Comments-->2006 to 2009 32bit - 12V 4A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm - 1 sodimm DDR 333MHz SO-DIMM later DDR2 - early V90s do seem to have a reliability problem - |- | <!--Name-->[https://www.poppedinmyhead.com/2021/01/wyse-cx0-thin-client-notes-experiences.html Dell Wyse Cx0] C00LE, C10LE, C30LE, C50LE, C90LE, C90LE7, C90LEW VIA C7 Eden 1GHz | <!--IDE-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d VX855 VX875 Chrome 9}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|some VIA VT8237A VT8251 HDA with ?? codec work}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|4 outside 2 inside USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|VT6120 VT6121 VT6122 Gigabit}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 | <!--Comments-->2010 to 2013 32bit - [https://ae.amigalife.org/index.php?topic=815.0 boots and works] - 12V 2.5A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm - 1 sodimm ddr2 - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Dell RxxL Rx0L Wyse thin client *R00L Cloud PC of Wyse WSM *R10L Wyse Thin OS *R50L Suse Linux Enterprise *R90L Win XP Embedded *R90LW Win Embedded Standard 2009 *R90L7 Win Embedded Standard 7 | <!--IDE-->128Mb IDE or 1GB | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|SATA Hyperdisk}} | <!--Gfx-->AMD 690E RS690M Radeon Xpress 1200 1250 1270 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->4 usb2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2009 64bit AMD Sempron™ 210U SMG210UOAX3DVE 1.5GHz SB600, up to 4GB single slot 240-pin DDR2 DIMM, 19v barrel psu, DEL key bios - Late 2012 2 data sockets added but only CN18 be used with two white sockets (CN13 & CN15) can used to power the SATA device "4-pin Micro JST 1.25mm |- | <!--Name-->Optiplex 390 sff small form factor - mt mini tower desktop - dt full desktop | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|1 pci-e}} | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|realtek}} | <!--Test Distro-->aros one 1.6 usb | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit dual i3 2xxx - kettle iec plug psu cable - add nvidia gf218 gfx - error code 3 mobo or cpu - |- | <!--Name-->Optiplex 3010 sff small form factor | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|1 pci-e}} | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom 57XX}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit dual i3 3xxx - kettle iec plug psu cable - |- | <!--Name-->Optiplex 7010 sff small form factor | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|1 pci-e}} | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom or Intel 825xx}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit dual i3 3xxx Q77 - kettle iec plug psu cable - add pci-e ethernet and nvidia gf218 gfx - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse 5010 thin client ThinOS D class (D10D D00D D00DX, Dx0D), PCoIP (D10DP) or D90D7, 5040 *username: Administrator, admin, [blank] *password: Fireport, DellCCCvdi, rappot, Wyse#123, Administrator, administrator, r@p8p0r+ | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE mode may need 30cm ext cable as small area for half-slim sata ssd - decased new ssd??}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d 1400x1050 HD6250E IGP by using DVI to hdmi cable and 1 display port, no hdmi port}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD 6.34 audio chipset detected but codec alc269 working from one case speaker - none if v6.29 used}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|most 5010 have 4 USB 2.0 but D90Q7 has 2 USB3 instead}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8168 8169 - rev 1.?? 8111? - rev 1.91 8111E}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit no SSE4.1 or AVX slow AMD G-T44R 1.2Ghz later G-T48E 1.4Ghz Dual Bobcat Brazos BGA413 - Del for BIOS - p key to select boot with noacpi - single DDR3 sodimm slot max 4Gb, (8Gb hynix 2rx8 ddr3l)? (remove small board to upgrade) - passive no fan - 15cm/6" small 1ltr case and lack of expansion options - PA16 19v barrel psu Coax 5.5mm/2.5mm |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse 7010 DTS thin client (Z class Zx0D) *2011 Zx0 Z90D7 2GF/2GR *2013 Z10D *2014 Z50D 2GF/2GR *2012 Cisco VXC 6000 CVXC-6215-K9 white | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|Bios set Sata mode to IDE mode and grub boot add 'noacpi' for half slim sata2 ssd or/with 50cm sata ext cable}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d HD6310 HD6320 Terascale 2 through DVI and sometimes DP 1.1a - no hdmi port}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio 6.34 detected but ALC269VB codec works on the one case speaker only}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|2.0 works but NEC 720200 3.0 not working}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8169 8111e 8111F}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 and Aros One 32bit 1.5, 1.9 and 2.3 usb and 64bit 1.2 | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 slow AMD G-t52R 1.5GHz later G-T56N 1.65 GHz Dual with A50M FCH - 20cm/8" high 1.5ltr larger fanless black plastic case with metal ventilated box inside - 2 desktop DDR3L DIMM slots max 16GB - PA-16 19v external psu Coax 5.5mm/2.5mm - 2 40cm SMA female WiFi Antenna to IPEX IPX u.fl Ufl Cable pigtail needed - does not like uefi boot devices - |- | <!--Name-->Wyse 7020 Thin Client * 2013 Quad-core AMD GX-420CA 2.0 GHz (25W) - * 2018 Zx0Q Quad-core AMD GX-415GA 1.5 GHz (15W) with Quad display 3dp and 1dvi | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 sata port | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d only for AMD Radeon HD8400E radeonsi (dual display) or AMD Radeon HD 8330E IGP with AMD Radeon E6240 Seymour E6460 (quad display), no hdmi ports}} | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->4 x USB2.0 works but 2 USB3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8169 8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 quad eKabini Jaguar cores - two SODIMM sockets layered in centre of mobo DDR3L RAM - Coax 5.5mm/2.5mm ac psu 9mm plug is too short but 14mm length is fine - 15cm/6" high smaller 1ltr case and lack of expansion options - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse Dx0Q (5020) D90Q8 NJXG4 AMD G-Series | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 sata port | <!--Gfx-->HD 8330E | <!--Audio--> with Realtek codec | <!--USB-->4 x USB2.0 works but 2 USB3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8169 8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 Quad-core AMD GX-415GA 1.5 GHz - 2 layered near edge of mobo 204-pin DDR3L SODIMM (bottom one tricky to insert) - 19v Coax 5.5mm/2.5mm - passive no fan - 15cm/6" high smaller 1ltr case and lack of expansion options |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse 5060 N07D thin client | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE bios mode for sata2 port}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2d - AMD R5E GCN2 IGP Sea Islands thru dp1 with an hdmi adapter no output thru dp2 - no hdmi dvi ports}} | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio with Realtek ALC231 codec head phones only}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|4 x USB2.0 works but 2 USB3.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 realtek 8169 8111h}} | <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 1.6 usb | <!--Comments-->2017 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 quad GX-424CC 19.5v external psu - CN-0Y62H1 mobo with 2 layered ddr3l 16Gb max sodimm slots at edge of mobo, bottom 0 one blocking - passive no fan so quiet - 15cm/6" high smaller 1ltr case and lack of expansion options - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Fujitsu Siemens==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="15%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | Scenic [http://uk.ts.fujitsu.com/rl/servicesupport/techsupport/ProfessionalPC/Scenic/ScenicE/ScenicE.htm E600] (compact desktop) | | | {{partial|VESA only}} | {{yes|AC97}} | | {{no|Intel PRO/1000}} | {{dunno}} | Nice small, silent PC with good AROS support. |- | Scenic T i845 | {{dunno}} | {{n/a}} | {{n/a}} | {{dunno|Intel AC97}} | {{dunno|UHCI}} | {{dunno|Intel PRO/100}} | Icaros 1.5.2 | AROS does not boot |- | <!--Name-->Futro S200 S210 S220 and later S300 | <!--IDE-->{{yes| compactflash CF card max ??}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 315PRO PCI/AGP }} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|AC97 via }} | <!--USB-->{{unk|via uhci and ehci}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|via VT6102 [Rhine-II] (rev 74) }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2008 32bit - TR5670 Rev 1.4 mother with Transmeta TM5800 cpu - pci socket - single SODIMM socket for DDR memory PC2700S max 512MB - |- | <!--Name-->Futro S400 | <!--IDE-->{{yes| but swap with compactflash CF card already with AROS installed}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS741CX }} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|AC97 SiS7018}} | <!--USB-->{{unk|sis uhci and ehci}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|rtl8169 }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2008 32bit - AMD Geode NX1500 1GHz gets hot - SiS 963L / SiS 741CX chipset - 12V 4.2A 4-pin (DP-003-R) psu - single SODIMM socket for DDR PC2700S max 1G - large case 246 x 48 x 177cms torx screws - pci socket - |- | <!--Name-->FUJITSU Futro S700 and S900 Thin Client (based on mini-ITX motherboard D3003-A12, D3003-C1 lesser variant of [https://www.parkytowers.me.uk/thin/Futro/s900/TechNotes_V3.1_Mini-ITX_D3003-S.pdf D3003-S]) *G-T56N 1.65GHz *G-T40N 1.00GHz *G-T44R 1.20GHz | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 sata data socket but mSata 18+8pins 1GB-16GB | <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 6320, HD 6250, HD 6290 dvi or displayport (DP runs higher) | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->{{yes|two USB2 front sockets and four on the rear}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit AMD slow atom-like and fanless - 20V 2A psu 5.5mm/2.1mm coax (S900) - 2 DDR3L SODIMM sockets max 8GB tricky to run 1333 MHz on the Futro S900 - proprietary X2 PCI-e - 1 PCI socket but need a right-angle adaptor - |- | <!--Name-->esprimo p420 e85 desktop case | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx-->Intel 4600 or old Geforce in pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HDAudio realtek alc671 codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2013 64bit - 2 ddr3 dimm slots - 16 pin special psu - |- | <!--Name-->esprimo E420 e85+ SFF case | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx-->Intel 4600 or low profile pci-e card | <!--Audio-->HDAudio realtek alc671 codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 8111G | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2013 64bit - 2 ddr3 dimm slots - 16ish pin special psu - hd under front metal bracket, take front cover off first with 3 tabs - 3 slim pci-e slots - |- | <!--Name-->Futro S520 AMD dual 1.0Ghz codenamed "Steppe Eagle" * GX-210HA @ 1.0GHz * GX-212ZC @ 1.2GHz | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->no sata - 4Gb or 16Gb flash memory soldered to the board | <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon HD 8210E (GX210HA) or AMD Radeon R1E (GX212ZC) | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111e | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - smaller than ITX 160mm x 160mm Fujitsu D3314-A11 - 19V 3.4A PSU standard 5.5mm/2.1mm coax plug - 1 ddr3 sodimm slot - |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu Futro S720 ThinClient D3313-B13 D3313-F *2014 64bit AMD GX-217GA 1.65GHz VFY:S0720P8009FR VFY:S0720P8008DE VFY:S0720P4009GB *2015 64bit AMD GX-222GC 2.20GHz VFY:S0720P702BDE VFY:S0720P702BFR all begin VFY:S0720P and end two digit country code | <!--IDE--> {{N/A|}} | <!--SATA--> {{Yes|up to 2 Sata-cable-connector with space in casing so normal SSD/HDD over Sata was running very well on AHCI and IDE-Mode and 2242 mSata}} | <!--Gfx--> {{Maybe|use VESA 2D for AMD Radeon HD 8280E IGP ( islands) or later R5E IGP ( islands)}} | <!--Audio--> {{yes|HDAudio ALC671 codec partially working, external audio speaker}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|4 rear USB 2.0 but not front 2 USB 3.1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8169}} | <!--Test Distro-->AROS One USB 2.0 | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit supports AVX and SSE 4.1 - 1 ddr3 Sodimm slot max 8Gb - 19V-20V 2A 5.5mm/2.5mm coax - D3313-B13 stripped down Mini-ITX mobo D3313-S1/-S2/-S3 (eKabini) D3313-S4/-S5/-S6 - SATA data socket can be located under the fins of the cpu heatsink is fanless - mPCIe socket for wireless card - |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu FUTRO S920 D3313-E D3313-G *2016 AMD GX-222GC SOC 2.20GHz Dual *2017 AMD G-Series GX-415GA (1.50 GHz, Quad Core, 2 MB, AMD Radeon™ HD 8330E) *2017 AMD G-Series GX-424CC 2.40 GHz Quad | <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> {{yes|2242 mSata and 1 Sata-cable-connector with space in casing so normal SSD/HDD over Sata possible}} | <!--Gfx--> {{yes|use VESA 2D for Radeon R5E GCN2/3 IGP}} | <!--Audio--> {{yes|HDAudio ALC671 codec partially working}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|4 rear USB 2.0, front 2 USB 3.1 downgradable to 2.0 in BIOS setting}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8169}} | <!--Test Distro--> AROS One USB 2.4 | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 2 so dimm slot with max of 8 GB - 19v barrel psu 5.5mm 2.5mm - SATA data socket can be located under the fins of the heatsink - mPCIe a e keyed socket for wireless card - propetary X2 connector with official raizer to X1 connector - almost silent background noise, not affecting sound quality in any way |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu Thin Client Futro S5011 S7011 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2D for AMD Vega 3 on 2 dp 1.4}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with ALC623 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 USB 3.2 Gen 2 front and 3 usb2 rear }} | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - AMD Ryzen Dual Core R1305G or R1505G 1ltr case - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - TPM 2.0 - 19v 3.42amp round coax or usb-c 20c 3.25a external psu - |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu FUTRO S9011 Thin Client VFY:S9011THU1EIN || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2D for AMD Vega 3 on 2 dp 1.4}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with ALC623 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 USB 3.2 Gen 2 front and 3 usb2 rear }} || <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit Ryzen Embedded R1606G - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - TPM 2.0 - |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} ====HP Compaq==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Compaq presario 7360 | <!--IDE-->{{yes|Working}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|AC97 via}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|issues}} | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Compaq EP Series 6400/10 | <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE}} | <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} | <!--Gfx--> {{N/A}} | <!--Audio--> {{no|ISA}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 1.1}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{N/A}} | <!--Test Distro--> {{dunno}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Compaq Evo D510 | {{yes|Working}} | {{N/A}} | {{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | {{yes|AC97}} | {{yes|Working}} | {{yes|Intel PRO/100}} | Icaros 1.5 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Compaq DX2000 MT | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Intel Extreme 2 (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio-->{{no|detects AC97 but no support for ADI AD1888 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|OHCI/EHCI }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82526EZ e1000}} | <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.51 | <!--Comments-->boots ok but no audio |- | <!--Name-->Compaq DX 2200 | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|RC410 [Radeon Xpress 200] (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio-->{{dunno|HD Audio}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|OHCI/EHCI issues }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} | <!--Test Distro--> {{dunno}} | <!--Comments-->issues |- | <!--Name--> d230 | <!--IDE--> {{yes|UDMA}} | <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{partial|Intel AC97 (speaker and headphones only, no line-out)}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{Maybe|Broadcom BCM4401}} | <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.4.5 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->HP Pavilion a220n || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|VESA 1024x768 on nVidia GF4 MX with 64MB shared video ram}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Realtek ALC650 AC'97 comp.}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8201BL 10/100 LAN}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 2.5|| <!--Comments-->2004 32bit athlon xp 2600+ Socket 462 / Socket A - 2 dimm ddr pc2700 - |- | <!--Name-->t500 | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|FX5200 (2D; 3D with older driver)}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 ICH4 ALC658D}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|UHCI/EHCI}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8101L 8139}} | <!--Test Distro-->Nightly Build 2012-09-22 | <!--Comments-->2004 |- | <!--Name-->DC7700 | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 2D}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes| ICH8}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|82566DM e1000e}} | <!--Test Distro-->Nightly Build 2013-??-?? | <!--Comments-->2006 Some support at low cost |- | <!--Name-->HP dc 7600 CMT | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 950}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Realtek ACL 260}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel PRO/1000 GT}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->HP t5000 thin client series t5500 t5510 t5515 PC538A or PC542A t5700 t5710 Transmeta Crusoe Code Morphing TM 5400 5600 800Mhz | <!--IDE-->128mb to 512MB | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->Ati Radeon 7000M | <!--Audio-->VIA with codec | <!--USB-->{{No|Issues}} | <!--Ethernet-->VIA Rhine 2 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2006 32bit - ddr max 1GB - F10 setup - all t51xx and some t55xx units will not include a SODIMM slot - |- | <!--Name-->HP t5000 thin client series CN700 *HSTNC-002L-TC t5135, t5530 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d 128Mb Via S3 32-bit colour | <!--Audio-->AC97 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->VIA VT6102 VT6103 [Rhine-II] (rev 78) | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 32bit t5135 appears identical to the t5530 except the CPU VIA Esther 400 MHz - RAM 64Mb (? max) - 8 x USB2.0 - 12V 3.33A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm |- | <!--Name-->HP t5720, t5725 HSTNC-001L-TC | <!--IDE-->{{unk| }} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d SiS741GX 2048 x 1536 32-bit colour | <!--Audio-->AC97 SiS SiS7012 AC'97 | <!--USB-->6 x USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->VIA VT6102 VT6103 [Rhine-II] (rev 8d) | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 32bit AMD Geode NX1500 1GHz socketed - RAM 512MB or 1GB, 256MB, 512MB or 1GB - 12V psu - sis DDMA support - custom 1.13 BIOS - pci low profile - |- | <!--Name-->t5000 series VX800 HSTNC-004-TC t5145, t5540, t5545, t5630 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d VIA Chrome9 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio VIA | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|VT6120 VT6121 VT6122 Gigabit (rev 82)}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 32bit - RAM 64Mb (? max) - 8 x USB2.0 - 12V 4.16A Coax: 5.5mm/2.1mm - |- | <!--Name-->t5730w HSTNC-003-TC t5730 | <!--IDE-->{{n/a|ATA 44pin DOM Flash}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d ATI Radeon X1250 2048 x 1536 no 3D | <!--Audio-->HD audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{Yes|6 x USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom 5707M tg3 10/100/1000}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2008 64bit AMD Sempron 2100+ 1GHz - 1 slot of ddr2 sodimm (Max 2GB) - 12V 4.16A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm - F10 enter bios F12 boot devices - |- | <!--Name-->HSTNC-005-TC gt7720, gt7725 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d AMD RS780G HD 3200 - 2560 x 1600 DVI-D & DVI-H | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->8 x USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5787M}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2009 64bit AMD Turion Dual Core CPU 2.3GHz - 1 DDR2 200-pin SODIMM - 19V 4.16A Coax 7.4mm/5.0mm (gt7725) - |- | <!--Name-->HP t5740 Thin Client HSTNC-006-TC t5740, t5745, st5742 | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->1 port | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Intel CL40 VGA and DisplayPort connectors}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with IDT codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM57780 Gigabit}} | <!--Test Distro-->Nightly build and Icaros | <!--Comments-->2009 32bit Atom N280 - F10 on power up to get into the BIOS screens. F12 brings up the boot options - hp 19V one with a coax connector, outer diameter 4.8mm with inner to be 1.7mm to 1.4mm - 2 ddr3 sodimm slots max 3gb due to 32bit - 1 pci-e slot completely non standard - |- | <!--Name-->t5000 series HSTNC-012-TC VIA Nano u3500 VX900 *t5550 512MB/1GB Windows CE6 R3 *t5565 1GB/1GB HP ThinPro *t5570 2GB/1GB WES 2009 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d VIA ChromotionHD 2.0 GPU Chrome9 | <!--Audio-->VIA 9170 VT1708S codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM57780 Gigabit}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->32bit - 1 sodimm - 19V 3.42A supply connector standard yellow-tip coax plug 4.8mm/1.8mm "Standard HP Compaq DC Power Plug 4.8mm x 1.5mm / 1.7mm Yellow Tip Connector - |- | <!--Name-->HP t510 Via Eden X2 U4200 HSTNC-012-TC shares features with t5570e, t5565z | <!--IDE-->2G ATA Flash DOM | <!--SATA-->one | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for Chrome9 VIA ChromotionHD 2.0 gfx}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|VIA VT8237A VT8251 HDA with codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|6 USB2 }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom Corporation NetLink BCM57780 Gigabit Ethernet PCIe}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 32bit - one slot ddr3 sodimm max 4GB - 19V 3.42A Coax 4.8mm/1.8mm - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->HP T610 Thin Client and thicker PLUS version AMD G-T56N A55E | <!--IDE-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 6320 1 dp port 1 dvi | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC codec | <!--USB-->two USB2 on the front, two USB2 and two USB 3 ports on the rear | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM57780}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 64bit does not support AVX SSE 4.1 - 2 204-pin DDR3 1600MHz SODIMMs PC3-12800 under motherboard via removable panel - 19.5V 3A Coax male 7.4mm/5.0mm + centre pin - |- | <!--Name-->HP T420 Thin Client *AMD Embedded G-Series GX-209JA SOC (1 GHz, 2 cores) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 8180 dvi vga | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC codec | <!--USB-->2 front 2 rear USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2015 64bit supports AVX SSE 4.1 - soldered in place 2GB DDR3 - smaller than usual 19.5V 2.31A Coax male 4.5mm/3.0mm + centre pin - usb stick internal for storage - E15 BBR - |- | <!--Name-->HP t520 TPC-W016 *AMD GX-212JC 1.2Ghz (2 core) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 m.2 mounting holes for 2242 and 2260 SSDs SATA (not NVME) | <!--Gfx-->Radeon R2E GCN2 IGP Sea Islands | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC codec | <!--USB-->2 USB3 front, 4 USB2 back | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2014 2017 64 bit supports AVX SSE 4.1 - 1 204-pin DDR3 SODIMM - 19.5V 3.33A 7.4mm Coax with central pin |- | <!--Name-->HP t620 TPC-I004-TC *AMD G-Series GX-217GA 2 core APU 1.65GHz (65W) *AMD GX-415GA 4 core (65W) and t620 PLUS (PRO wider version) TPC-I020-TC *AMD GX-420CA SOC 4 core (Plus 85W) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|single M.2 2280 socket sata3, mSATA socket removed end of 2014}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2d for Radeon HD 8280E graphics 8330E Islands GCN2 IGP - 2 dp ports no dvi}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio with Realtek ALC221 codec 0x10EC 0x0221}} | <!--USB-->{{unk|4 front, 2 back, 1 inside limited space}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8169}} | <!--Test Distro-->Aros One 32bit with noacpi added to grub boot line | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit supports AVX SSE 4.1 - 2 DDR3L SODIMMs side by side - mSATA ssd and M.2 SSD are M1.6 screws, M2.0 screws used on most SSDs - 19.5V 3.33A Coax male 7.4mm 5mm with centre pin - changed the network card to a Atheros 5000 compatible - |- | <!--Name-->HP T530 *AMD GX-215JJ (2 core) 1.5GHz | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 m.2 sata ssd up to 2280 | <!--Gfx-->Radeon R2E | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC codec | <!--USB-->1 USB3.1, 1 usb-c front, 4 USB2 back | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2015 64 bit does support AVX SSE 4.1 - 1 204-pin DDR4 SODIMM - 19.5V 2.31A Coax male 4.5mm/3.0mm with centre pin - |- | <!--Name-->HP T730 Wider "Thin" Client TPC-I018-TC Pixar RX-427BB (2c4t) - no display and fans blowing full speed caused by '''disabling internal gpu in bios''' flash L43_0116.bin onto smc MX25L6473F (3.3V 8-PIN SOP (200mil) SPI 25xx) ([https://www.badcaps.net/forum/troubleshooting-hardware-devices-and-electronics-theory/troubleshooting-desktop-motherboards-graphics-cards-and-pc-peripherals/bios-schematic-requests/96303-hp-t730-password-locked-bios in the rom rcvry socket under a delicate thin narrow surface flap]) with ch341a alike switchable from 5v, 3.3v to 1.8v | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{partial|Storage bios option to IDE and not AHCI to prevent constant install error messages to DH0: - add noacpi to end of grub boot line - 1 M.2 SATA slot (Key B+M) up to 2280 with T8 torx secure stub}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|use VESA for non-vulkan Radeon R7 GCN 2 UVD4.2 Sea Islands with 4 dp outs '''but too easy bricking''' if swapping with 1 PCIe 3.0 x8 slot 30W slim factor low profile 8400gs gt210 nvs295 nvs310 gt1030}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDaudio 6.34 realtek alc221 codec thru case speaker only}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|'''Works''' for 4 USB2 in the back with 2 in the front, 2 USB3.0 ports on front and 1 more internal (not bootable)}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111HSH-CG set up first in Prefs/Network}} | <!--Test Distro-->boots with AROS One 32bit and 64bit USB with added noacpi added to grub boot line - press e - Latest distros can select grub boot options with Aros One 64bit USB and Aros One USB 2.8 but system seems to freeze after choice | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit supports AVX SSE 4.1 - 2 DDR3L sodimm stacked slots max 32GB - '''Larger''' 20cm/8" high 3.5ltr case noisy fan - TPM2 - esc/F9 boot selector F10 enter bios - 2 serial and 1 parallel old ports - Key E Wireless - PCIe slot (x16 physical, x8 electrical) - 19.5V 4.36A 85w TPC-LA561 HP 7.4mm black-ring-tip power plug, red flashing power button, wrong psu or bad MotherBoard MB - |- | <!--Name-->HP t630 Thin Client TPC-I020-TC *AMD Embedded G-Series SoC GX-420GI quad core 2Ghz | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|ahci.device mbr msdos partiton table for 2 Sata M.2, sata0 up to 2280 (1tb max), sata1 2242 (64gb max), both T8 torx secure stubs}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|use VESA for Radeon AMD Wani R7E with 2 displayport 1.2 sockets, use one nearest to power jack - no dvi / hdmi}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio 6.36 0x1022, 0x157a and ALC255 aka ALC3234 codec 0x10ec, 0x0255, pins 0x17 as LFE and 0x1b as int speaker but not ahi 6.34}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2 2 front and 2 rear, 2 front USB3 and 1 inside}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8169 8111H}} | <!--Test Distro-->AROS One USB 2.2, 2.8 and 64bit USB 1.0, 1.2, 1.3 with noacpi added to the end of the grub bootline (press e) | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit supports AVX SSE 4.1 - 2 DDR4 SODIMMs side by side speed 1866Mhz limit - 19.5V 3.33A 65W TPC-BA54 Coax male 7.4mm with centre pin - can be easily bricked, might reflash bios with M40 SP149736 - 20cm/8" high 1.5ltr larger fanless case - esc f1 f9 f10 - |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq Elite 7200 7300 8200 8300 SFF with kettle IEC psu cable | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{yes|IDE ata legacy only in BIOS}} | <!--Gfx-->i pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|8200 works}} | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel or Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro-->icaros 2.3 | <!--Comments-->2013 64bit dual core - add pci-e rtl8169 ethernet card and pci-e gf210 nvidia low height - |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq Pro 6305 Small Form Factor SFF AMD A75 chipset (FCH 6 SATA 6 Gb/s, 4 USB 3.0) *AMD Quad A10-5800B *AMD A8-5500B *AMD Dual A6-5400B *AMD A4-5300B | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 7000 Terascale iGPU series Radeon HD 7660D, Radeon HD 7560D, Radeon HD 7540D, Radeon HD 7480D | <!--Audio-->HD ALC221 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom 5761}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Elitedesk 705 G1 - SFF *AMD A10-8850B, Quad-Core A10 PRO-7850B, A10-8750B *AMD A10-7800B, A10 PRO-6800B, A8-7600B *AMD A8-8650B, A6-8550B *AMD A6-8350B, Dual A6 PRO 7400B, A4-7300B | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D with Radeon R7 or 8000}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD audio with Realtek ALC221 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom or Intel}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - T15 security torx psu with 6pin PWR 200W connector - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteDesk 705 G2, 705 G3 Mini PC USFF thin client | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2.5in and m.2 | <!--Gfx-->Radeon R7 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5762 GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit AM4 socket with 35W TDP A10-8770E (4c), AMD PRO A6-8570E (2c), AMD Pro A6-9500E, or AMD PRO A10-9700E on AMD B300 FCH - ddr4 sodimm slots - 77 x 175 x 34mm (6.97 x 6.89 x 1.34in) 1L and about 3lbs - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteDesk 705 G4 Mini 1ltr USFF AMD Ryzen 3 2200G (4c t) or 5 2400G (4c t) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|Nvme 2280 and 2.5in sata}} | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 thru DP1.2 port | <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio Conexant codec}} | <!--USB-->USB2 usb3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit Am4 socket - 2 sodimm 16GB max - 19.5v hp socket ext psu - |- | <!--Name-->Elitedesk 705 G4 35w, HP Prodesk 405 G4 35W USFF - baseboard 83e9 35W - AMD Athlon PRO 200GE (2c 4t), 2200GE (4c t) or 2400GE (4c t) on AMD B350 FCH | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|Nvme 2280 and older models 2.5in sata}} | <!--Gfx-->Vega 3, 8 or 11 with 2 dp1.2 ports | <!--Audio-->{{no|HDAudio with Conexant CX20632 codec}} | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8169 8111EPH 1Gbe or Realtek RTL8111F | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2017 64bit - realtek wifi 8821 or 8822 - up to 1 ddr4 dimm slots - hp barrel external ac - |- | <!--Name-->Elitedesk 705 G5, HP Elitedesk 806 G6, Prodesk 405 G6 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2x NVMe or 1x SATA + 1x NVMe, but not all three drives at the same time without serious modding of hd caddie || <!--Gfx-->Vega with DP1.4 port || <!--Audio-->{{no|HDAudio with Realtek ALC3205 codec}} || <!--USB-->USB3 || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - 3400GE Ryzen 5 PRO 3350GE (4c 8t), Ryzen 3 PRO 3200GE 3150GE (4c 4t), AMD Athlon Silver PRO 3125GE (2c 4t) on AMD PRO 565 |- | <!--Name-->HP t540 1ddr4 slot, t640 2 DDR4 SDRAM sodimm SO-DIMM 260-pin non-ECC max 32gb thin client USFF | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 NVM Express (NVMe) 2230 or 2280 | <!--Gfx-->Vega 3 VGA, DisplayPort | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->2 USB3 gen1 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek Realtek RTL8111HSH or RTL8111E PH-CG | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2019 64bit ryzen r1000 series Ryzen Embedded R1305G 1.5 GHz, R1505G dual (2c 4t) 2.0Ghz or R1606G ?.?Ghz (2c4t) - Realtek RTL8852AE wifi - 45W psu Coax male 4.5mm/3.0mm + centre pin - |- | <!--Name-->HP t740 SFF Thin Client | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 M.2, one is sata and other nvme | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 DisplayPort or + optional pci-e 30W Radeon E9173 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8111E PH-CG 1Gbe | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - Ryzen Embedded V1756B 3.25Ghz quad - 90W 19.5V 4.62A psu Coax male 4.5mm/3.0mm + centre pin - sodimm DDR4 max 64Gb - slightly noisy fan - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteDesk 805 G6 Mini 4750GE (8t 16t), Prodesk 405 G6 Ryzen 5 PRO 4650GE (6c 12t) or Ryzen 3 PRO 4350GE (4c 8t) on AMD PRO 565 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2.5in carrier and 2 slots m.2 nvme | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 with DP1.4 and HDMI flex io2 output options | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC3205 codec | <!--USB-->4 usb a - gen 2 10gig and gen 1 5gig ports | <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit AMD Ryzen 4000 SBC unlocked - 2 sodimm ddr4 slots - wifi6 - 90W ac - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Lenovo==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Lenovo Nettop IdeaCentre Q150 (40812HU) | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->ION2 | <!--Audio--> realtek codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->intel 10/100 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit D510 |- | <!--Name-->M625q Tiny (1L) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->M.2 Sata | <!--Gfx-->Stoney Radeon R2, R3 or R4 and later R5 with 2 dp ports | <!--Audio-->HD audio with ALC233-VB2-CG codec 0x10EC 0x0233 | <!--USB-->{{No|3 usb3.1 Gen 1 and 3 usb2}} | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 RTL8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit all dual cores - e2-9000e or a4-9120e later A9-9420e - heatsink covers 70% area covers wifi - 65w or 135w lenovo rectangle ac - 1 ddr4 2666MHz slot max 8gb - tpm 2.0 - |- | <!--Name-->M715q Gen 1 AMD A6 A8 A10-9700E 9770E (2c2t) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->m.2 | <!--Gfx-->R4 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->M715q Gen 2 Ryzen 5 PRO 2400GE 4C 8T | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->m.2 | <!--Gfx-->Vega 11 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - f1 enter setup, esc device boot - fixed 1.8v ch341a needed to reflash 1.8v bios if no boot SOP8 DIP8 Winbond W25Q64, MXIC MX25U1635, MX25U6435 - |- | <!--Name-->ThinkCenter M75n nano Ryzen3 3300U | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->ThinkCentre M75q M75q-1 Tiny 1ltr TMM *AMD Ryzen 5 PRO Quad 3500 Pro 3400GE (4c 8t) 11a5 soe400 *AMD 3200GE (2c 4t) zen1+ 11a4 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|NVMe 2280 1Tb max - untested 2.5inch}} | <!--Gfx-->Vega 11 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio Realtek ALC222-CG codec ALC3287 | <!--USB-->3 USB3 Gen 1 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8169 8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 65w 20v 3.25A to 135W rectangle psu - 2 sodimm ddr4 sodimm max 32GB locked 2666MHz - |- | <!--Name-->ThinkCentre Ryzen 7 PRO Tiny 1ltr Gen 2 AMD 4000 series *AMD 4650GE (6c12t) 4750GE (8c16t) 4350G (4c8t) Zen2 - | <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|NVme}} | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8169 8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit vendor locked - 20v psu - 2 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkcenter M75q-2 Gen2 refresh | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->m.2 nvme | <!--Gfx-->Radeon Vega | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->1GigE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit 5650GE (6c12t) 5750GE (8c16t) - vendor/PSB can lock your AMD CPU - f12 boot devices |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Thinkcentre M75q Tiny Gen5 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} | <!--SATA-->2 NVMe | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 780M dp1.4a or hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with codec | <!--USB-->USB3 usb-c | <!--Ethernet-->1GBe port | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2024 Ryzen PRO 7 8700GE - 90W yellow rectangle connector psu - 2 DDR5 sodimm slots max 128Gb - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |} ====Misc==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Impart impact Media Group IQ Box mini Digital Signage with MB896 mini itx | <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->GMA 915 gme | <!--Audio--> via audio | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 32bit - 1 ddr2 slot - pentium m 1.73GHz - |- | <!--Name-->[https://everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_mini/specs/mac_mini_cd_1.83-specs.html Apple A1176 Intel MacMini1,1] | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{unk|gpt/efi }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|gma950 2d and 3d}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with ICH7 [https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+question/186749 Sigmatel Stac 9221] [https://android.googlesource.com/kernel/msm/+/android-wear-5.1.1_r0.6/sound/pci/hda/patch_sigmatel.c codec][https://alsa-devel.alsa-project.narkive.com/Yt20W6cE/sigmatel-stac9221-mux-amp-out-0x02-microphone-not-working mic]}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2006 32bit possible 1.83 GHz Intel “Core Duo” (T2400) - swap pci-e wifi for atheros 5k AR5007EG - maybe hack with a 2,1 firmware - max 4GB Ram ddr2 sodimms - external apple psu - dvd boot only with c key - |- | <!--Name-->[https://everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_mini/specs/mac-mini-core-2-duo-1.83-specs.html Apple A1176 Intel Mac Mini2,1] | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{unk|gpt/efi }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|gma950 2d and 3d}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with ICH7 Sigmatel Stac 9221 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell}} | <!--Test Distro-->Aros One 2.0/ Icaros | <!--Comments-->2007 64bit - swap pci-e wifi for atheros 5k AR5007EG - hacked with a 2,1 firmware and replaced the cpu for T7600 2.33 Ghz C2D and max 4GB Ram ddr2 sodimms - external apple psu - dvd boot only via c key |- | <!--Name-->Apple iMac 5,1 "Core 2 Duo" 1.83GHz 17" T5600 MA710LL || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950 with 64Mb || <!--Audio-->HDAudio idt codec || <!--USB-->3 USB2 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 64bit - 2 ddr2 667MHz sodimm slots - 17.0" TFT widescreen 1440x900 - polycarbonate |- | <!--Name-->Apple iMac 6,1 "Core 2 Duo" 2.16 2.33 24" only T7400 T7600 aka MA456LL/A A1200 (EMC 2111) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Nvidia 7300GT with 128 MB of GDDR3 SDRAM PCI Express or GeForce 7600GT with 256Mb mini dvi, vga || <!--Audio-->HDAudio || <!--USB-->3 USB2 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 64bit - 2 ddr2 667MHz sodimm slots - 24.0" TFT widescreen 1920 x 1200 - polycarbonate plastic case iMacs of this generation are the most difficult iMacs to service due to their front bezel design |- | <!--Name-->Neoware CA2 | <!--IDE-->flash DOM | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->S3 Inc ProSavage PM133 (rev 02) vga | <!--Audio-->VIA VT82C686 AC97 Audio | <!--USB-->USB | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8139 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - VIA Ezra 800MHz - 2 PC100 sodimm slots - riser board carries an ISA slot and a PCI slot - external 12V power supply.with 4 pins - |- | <!--Name-->Neoware CA5 Capio One | <!--IDE-->44pin Disk On Module DOM | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->SiS550 vga | <!--Audio-->AC97 with SiS7019 codec | <!--USB-->USB1.1 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8139 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2004 32bit - internal power supply with mains lead has a "clover leaf" style - 2 144-pin PC100 or PC133 SODIMM might have 24MB of RAM soldered - |- | <!--Name-->Neoware CA10 *E140 model BL-XX-XX (800MHz CPU) later *E100 model BK-XX-XX (1GHz CPU) | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VIA VT8623 (Apollo CLE266) vga | <!--Audio-->AC97 with | <!--USB-->4 USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->VIA VT6102/VT6103 [Rhine-II] (rev 74) | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2004/5 32bit - 12v 5.5mm/2.1mm - 2 184-pin DDR DIMM - |- | <!--Name-->VXL Itona thin client *TC3200, *TC3x41 (P3VB-VXL) TC3541 TC3641 TC3841, *TC3xx1 (6VLE-VXL0) TC3931, *TC43xx (Gigabyte C7V7VX) TC4321 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VIA vga | <!--Audio-->AC'97 Audio with VIA VT | <!--USB-->VIA USB | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8100B | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2005 2006 32bit VIA Samuel 2, VIA C3 Nehamiah CPU, 1 DIMM slot, internal psu, |- | <!--Name-->Neoware Capio C50, model CA15 Thin Clients] *Login Administrator Password Administrator *Login User Password User | <!--IDE-->1 flash Disk On Module | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VIA VT8623 (Apollo CLE266) vga | <!--Audio-->AC97 with via codec | <!--USB-->USB | <!--Ethernet-->VIA | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2006 32bit VIA Eden (Samuel II core) CPU - 1 ddr sodimm slot max 512mb - slot - internal psu clover leaf - |- | <!--Name-->[http://etoy.spritesmind.net/neowareca21.html Neoware CA21 Thin Clients] Igel 3210 (and maybe the Clientron G270) *Login Administrator Password Administrator *Login User Password User | <!--IDE-->1 flash Disk On Module DOM | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VIA CN700 vga | <!--Audio-->AC97 with via codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->VIA | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 32bit VIA C3 Nehemiah instead of Ezra-T - made 2 version of the CA 21, one with an Award bios and one with a Phoenix bios - 1 ddr2 sodimm slot max 1gb - VT6656 wireless - slot - internal psu iec - |- | <!--Name-->Neoware CA22 (e140), part number DD-L2-GE with BCOM WinNET P680 (V4) as the Igel 4210LX (Igel 5/4) | <!--IDE-->1 VIA VT82C586A/B VT82C686/A/B VT823x/A/C PIPC Bus Master IDE (rev 06) | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VIA CN700 P4M800 Pro CE VN800 Graphics [S3 UniChrome Pro] (rev 01) vga | <!--Audio-->AC97 with codec | <!--USB-->USB2 VIA VT8237R Plus | <!--Ethernet-->VIA VT6102/VT6103 [Rhine-II] (rev 78) | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 32bit - VIA Esther to later C7 1GHz - 1 ddr2 sodimm slots max 512mb - +12V DC/4.16A/50W 5.5mm/2.1mm coaxial - |- | <!--Name-->10Zig RBT402, Clientron U700, | <!--IDE-->{{Yes|44 pin header very little room}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A|}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Partial|VESA dvi}} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|AC97 with codec}} | <!--USB-->{{unk|VIA }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2008 32bit - very small cases with very limited expansion - 1 sodimm 2GB max - 12v 3a psu - Password Fireport |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Dell Optiplex FX170 D05U thin client, 10Zig 56xx range 5602, 5616v, 5617v, 5672v, Clientron U800, Devon IT TC5, | <!--IDE-->{{Yes|44 pin header very little room}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A|}} | <!--Gfx-->{{partial|GMA 950 dvi}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 | <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - very small cases with very limited expansion - 1 ddr2 sodimm 2GB max - 12v 3a psu - Password Fireport - ps2 keyboard socket - |- | <!--Name-->10Zig RBT-616V or Chip PC Technologies EX-PC (model number XPD4741) | <!--IDE-->{{unk|44 pin header very little room}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A|}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 950}} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with codec}} | <!--USB-->{{unk| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|rtl8169}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 32bit N270 on NM10 with ICH7 - very small cases with very limited expansion - 1 sodimm 2GB max - 12v 4a psu - Password Fireport |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte Brix GS-A21S-RH (rev. 1.0) SFF | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|X3100}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio with ALC883-GR codec}} | <!--USB-->Intel USB | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82566DC}} | <!--Test Distro-->ICAROS 2.3 | <!--Comments-->2009 64bit Intel GME965 chipset with Intel ICH8M - 2 DDR2 Dimm slots - GA-6KIEH2-RH Rev.1.x mini ITX Case 213mm(D) x 64mm(W) x 234mm(H) - custom psu - |- | <!--Name-->VXL Itona MD+24 MD27 MD54 MD64 MD76 thin client | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->VIA Chrome 9 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with VIA VT | <!--USB-->VIA | <!--Ethernet-->VIA | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2009 32bit VIA X2 U4200 - 12v-19v barrel psu - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Revo 100 RL100 AMD Athlon II X2 K325 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA® ION™ 9300m || <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC662 codec || <!--USB-->USB2 1 front 2 back || <!--Ethernet-->NVIDIA nForce 10/100/1000 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2010 64bit but no AVX - 4Gb DDR3 sodimm - 500 GB - 19v 3.42a 65W - dvd but later BD drive - |- | <!--Name-->Asrock ION 330 330Pro HT-BD, Foxconn NT-330i, Zotac ION F (IONITX mini itx), | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|ION geforce 9400}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|Nvidia USB}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Nvidia }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 32bit slow atom cpu - 2.5L 8" by 8" plastic case - 2 ddr2 sodimm max 4G - external 19v 65W 3.42A Plug 5.5mm X 2.5mm - little whiny fan - |- | <!--Name-->Zotac ZBOXHD-ND01 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->ION1 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->NVidia | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2009 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Zotac ZBOX HD-ID11 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->ION2 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with ALC888 codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111D | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 |- | <!--Name-->ZOTAC ZBOX Blu-ray 3D ID36 Plus | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->sata | <!--Gfx-->ION2 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->2 USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->GbE | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Shuttle XS35GT || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ION || <!--Audio-->HD audio IDT92HD81 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|JMC261}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - Atom™ D510 NM10 - DDR2 |- | <!--Name-->Shuttle XS35GT V2 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ION2 || <!--Audio-->HD audio IDT92HD81 || <!--USB-->Intel || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|JMC251}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit Atom™ D525 NM10 chipset - DDR3 |- | <!--Name-->Sapphire Edge-HD || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ION2 GT218 with vga and hdmi || <!--Audio-->HDAudio realtek codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Unk|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - Atom™ D510 NM10 - DDR2 65 W AC, DC 19V~3.42A, 19.3L x 14.8w x 2.2H cm (1l), weight 530g, |- | <!--Name-->Sapphire Edge-HD2 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|nouveau ION2 GT218 with vga and hdmi 2d and 3d}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|Intel USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit Atom™ D525 NM10 chipset - DDR3 |- | <!--Name-->AOPEN Digital Engine DE67-HA(I) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe| Vesa 2d for Intel HD}} | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HDAudio for ALC662 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|usb3}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel WG82579LM}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2011 |- | <!--Name-->[https://www.jetwaycomputer.com/JBC600C99352W.html Jetway JBC600C99352W] | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->ION2 | <!--Audio-->{{No|C-Media CM108AH}} | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111DL | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit D525 - DDR3 - 12v psu |- | <!--Name-->Foxconn nT-A3550 A3500 AMD A45 Chipset DDR3 Nettop Barebones - White | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 slot | <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon HD6310 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->4 USB2 back and 2 USB3 front | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 AMD Dual-core E350 1.6GHz CPU - 1 ddr3 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->Asus EeeBox PC EB1021 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD6320M || <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC codec || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE1 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit - AMD® Brazos E-350 SFF or E-450 with A50M - 2 ddr3l so-dimm - 40W ac - |- | <!--Name-->Xi3 Piston PC Athlon64 X2 3400e (X5A), AMD R-464L quad (X7A) Z3RO NUC | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->AMD mobility HD3650 to radeon HD 7660G | <!--Audio--> codec | <!--USB-->4 USB2 3 USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Atheros AR8161}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 - 2 sodimm 8GB max - 19v 3.3a round - Titan105 bios update - |- | <!--Name-->Sapphire Edge-HD3 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD6320M with vga and hdmi || <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC662 codec || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE1 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 AMD® Brazos E-450 with A45M - ddr3l so-dimm - 65W ac - Wireless is Realtek 8191SU WiFi (802.11n) or AzureWave (802.11bgn) - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Samsung Syncmaster Thin Client Display TC-W Series 24" LF24 TOWHBFM/EN TC220W LED LF22TOW HBDN/EN || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->8gb SSD || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe| VESA mode only Radeon HD 6290}} || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB-->2 USB 2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 thin Client C-50 C50 AMD® 1000 MHz and no wireless |- | <!--Name-->Advantech TPC-2140 thin client | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 atom-like G-T56E 1.65Ghz up to SSE3, BGA413 soldered - |- | <!--Name-->CompuLab FIT-PC3 fitPC3 USFF PC AMD G-T56N || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->RADEON HD 6320 || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio ALC888 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 8111}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64 bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 12v 3a - 2x sodimm DDR3 max 4GB - wifi rtl8188ce |- | <!--Name-->10Zig 6872 thin client | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 atom-like G-T56N up to SSE3 BGA413 (FT1) soldered - DDR3l single channel - |- | <!--Name-->10ZiG Technology 9972 1.6 GHz Linux 1.47 kg Black RX-216GD thin client | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon 5E 3840 x 2160 @ 30Hz to 2560 x 1600 @ 60Hz 2 x Display Port | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->6 x USB2.0 2 x USB3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 AMD RX-216TD - 1 ddr3 sodimm - 12V 4A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm |- | <!--Name-->10ZiG 7800q thin client | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon 5E 3840 x 2160 @ 30Hz to 2560 x 1600 @ 60Hz 2 x Display Port | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->6 x USB2.0 2 x USB3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 AMD GX-424CC (Quad Core) 2.4GHz BGA769 (FT3b) - 1 ddr3 sodimm - 12V 4A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm |- | <!--Name--> *Itona VXL MZE12 AMD a4-5000 thin client *VXL Itona LQ27 LQ+27 LQ44 LQ+44 LQ49 LQ+49 LQ50 LQ+50 LQ64 LQ+64 thin client | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Ati 8330 vga hdmi dp | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->4 usb2 2 usb3 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit quad BGA769 (FT3) soldered - 2 stacked sodimm ddr3 middle of mobo - 2 m.2 sata slots - 1 sata short cable half size space - limited 1ltr 8in case no fan - 19v hp style psu connector - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse 5212 21.5" AIO Thin Client W11B | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->Sata | <!--Gfx-->R3 out from DP or vga | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2015 64bit slow atom like dual core AMD G-T48E 1.4 GHz - dell type round ac needed 90W 19.5V 4.62A - 21 inch 1080p screen - |- | <!--Name-->LG 24CK560N-3A 24' All-in-One Thin Client Monitor, 27CN650N-6N 27CN650W-AC 27', 34CN650W-AC 34', | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit AMD Prairie Falcon GX-212JJ |- | <!--Name-->CompuLab fit-PC4 fitPC4 4x 2Ghz AMD || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64 - 2x DDR4 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->IGEL Hedgehog M340C UD3 thin client *2016 V1.0 AMD GX-412HC 1.2GHz-1.6GHz Radeon R3E, normal bios DEL for Bios or F12 boot selector *2018 AMD GX-424CC 2.4GHz, Radeon R5E, UEFI hit DEL and choose boot or SCU icon | <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} | <!--SATA-->SATA half slim version '''limited space''' with msata 8+18pins slot on earlier 2016 models | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Radeon R3E later R5E sea islands vulkan 1.2 with dvi dp output}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with codec ?? (412) and Realtek ALC662-VD0-GR (424), both case speaker}} | <!--USB-->amd usb3 boot usb2 with bios "disable usb" entry | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8169 8111 (412) and (424)}} | <!--Test Distro-->Aros One x86 USB 1.5, 1.8 and 2.2 but ArosOne 64bit 1.2 boot loop in usb2 port | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 20cm/8" high case - 1 DDR3L sodimm slot max 8Gb 1600MHz - external '''12V 3A''' supply with 5.5mm/2.1mm coaxial - IDE like interface under base stand is for legacy addon ports RS232 parallel etc - capacitive touch power on - case opening 3 stages, remove stand and narrow black plastic strip from the back, top cover slides off to the back and lifts off - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->10ZiG 6148v 6048qv (6100 series) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{maybe| }} | <!--USB-->{{No| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit AMD Ryzen V1202B |- | <!--Name-->10ZiG 7111q | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{maybe| }} | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2019 64bit AMD Ryzen R2514 2.1 GHz - |- | <!--Name-->Shuttle DA320 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->R3 R5 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC662 codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->dual realtek 1GbE 8111H | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Opinion-->2017 64bit AMD 2200G 2400G - Robust metal 1.3-liter case - A320 chipset DDR4 - 19V 6.32A DC PSU - |- | <!--Name-->IGEL UD7 H850C around december 2019 '''AMD Secure Processor''' is a built-in dedicated security system that checks if the BIOS has a valid signature and thus secures the next step in the boot process. This ensures that only devices with a signed BIOS will boot | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->None but 8gb emmc | <!--Gfx-->Vega 3 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with Realtek ALC897 or ALC888S codec | <!--USB-->USB 3.2 and 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - AMD Ryzen™ Dual-Core 10W TDP - 2 DDR4 sodimms slots max 16Gb - 12V 4A psu - 2x DisplayPort 1.2 no dvi or hdmi - Intel® 9260 or SparkLAN WNFT-238AX wifi - 1x rear serial Prolific PL2303 chipset - locked down components and very limited expansion options |- | <!--Name-->IGEL UD7 H860C - '''AMD Secure Processor''' is a built-in dedicated security system that checks if the BIOS has a valid signature and thus secures the next step in the boot process. This ensures that only devices with a signed BIOS will boot | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->None but 8gb emmc | <!--Gfx-->Vega 3 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with Realtek ALC897 or ALC888S codec | <!--USB-->USB 3.2 and 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - AMD Ryzen™ Dual-Core 10W TDP - 2 DDR4 sodimms slots max 16Gb - 12V 4A psu - 2x DisplayPort 1.2 no dvi or hdmi - Intel® 9260 or SparkLAN WNFT-238AX wifi - 1x rear serial Prolific PL2303 chipset - locked down components and very limited expansion options |- | <!--Name-->IGEL UD3 M350C (UEFI issues) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->None but 8gb emmc | <!--Gfx-->Vega 3 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with Realtek ALC897 or ALC888S codec | <!--USB-->USB 3.2 and 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - AMD Ryzen™ R R1505G Dual-Core 10W TDP - 2 DDR4 sodimms slots max 16Gb - 12V 4A psu - 2x DisplayPort 1.2 no dvi or hdmi - Intel® 9260 or SparkLAN WNFT-238AX wifi - 1x rear serial Prolific PL2303 chipset - locked down components and very limited expansion options |- | <!--Name-->IGEL UD7 H860C AMD Ryzen V1605B Thin Client - '''AMD Secure Processor''' is a built-in dedicated security system that checks if the BIOS has a valid signature and thus secures the next step in the boot process. This ensures that only devices with a signed BIOS will boot | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2020 AMD Ryzen™ Embedded V1605B 2 – 3.6 GHz (Quad-Core) - 12v 5A psu - up to 16GB RAM DDR4 - locked down components and very limited expansion options |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte Brix Barebone Mini PC BSRE-1605 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 M.2 | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC269 codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->2 GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2020 64bit AMD Ryzen V1605B - 2 DDR4 sodimm slots |- | <!--Name-->MINISFORUM Deskmini UM250 Mini PC | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2020 64bit AMD Ryzen V1605B - |- | <!--Name-->T-Bao MN25 Mini PC 2500U | <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} | <!--SATA-->{{Unk|Intel NVMe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{No|VESA Radeon Vega 8}} | <!--Audio-->{{Unk| }} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek PCIe 1GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Atari VCS || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2D for AMD Vega 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with ALC codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 USB 3.2 Gen 2 front and 3 usb2 rear }} || <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit Ryzen Embedded R1606G - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - TPM 2.0 - |- | <!--Name-->Minis Forum M200 Silver Athlon M300 3300U | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.1 gen 1 and 2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek PCIe 2.5G}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Minis Forum DeskMini UM300 3300U, UM350 DMAF5 3550H, UM370 and UM700 with 3750H | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.1 gen 1 and 2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek PCIe 2.5G}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit |- | <!--Name-->MinisForum X300 with AMD 3400G | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.1 gen 1 and 2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek PCIe 2.5G}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Beelink SER3 GTR4 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->AMD Vega 3 or 10 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RJ45 1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2020 64bit 3200u or 3750h |- | <!--Name-->AsRock DeskMini X300 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2020 Ryzen 7 Pro 4750G 5600G |- | <!--Name-->MinisForum Besstar Tech X400 with AMD 4650G | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->AMD | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.1 gen 1 and 2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek PCIe 2.5G}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - MP1584 - kill NB679 NB679GD-Z=ALTM=AL** QFN-12 IC-REG-DL buck/linear synchronous chip IC with bad usb cables - |- | <!--Name-->Beelink SER4 GTR5 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->cant boot from installed SSDs unless its an M.2 | <!--Gfx-->AMD Vega | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->1 or 2 Realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit 4700U or 5900HX |- | <!--Name-->MSI PRO DP20Z 5M Mini PC - AMD Ryzen 5 5300G | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek 2.5G LAN RTL8125}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018-2021 R3 3200G Vega 8 - R5 3400G Vega 11 - Ryzen 5 5600G Vega 7 - Athlon 3000G |- | <!--Name-->Minisforum UM450 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->Vega | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek 2.5G LAN RTL8125}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - Ryzen 4500U - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte Brix GB-BRR7-4800 (rev. 1.0) GB-BRR7-4700 (rev. 1.0) GB-BRR5-4500 (rev. 1.0) GB-BRR3-4300 (rev. 1.0) | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 2.5G LAN RTL8125 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->ASUS PN50 mini PC AMD Ryzen 7 4700U | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vega | <!--Audio-->HD audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|3.1 gen1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|realtek 2.5GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS PN51-S1 mini PC AMD Ryzen 7 5700U | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->Vega thru dp or hdmi | <!--Audio-->HD audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|3.1 gen1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|realtek 2.5GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 19v or 19.5v 90w psu round barrel - 32gb ddr4 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->Minis Forum Bessstar Tech EliteMini B550 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 x 2.5in and 2 nvme | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|4 usb3.1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|realtek 8125 2.5GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit AMD 4700G 5700G desktop cpu - 19v 120w round barrel - |- | <!--Name-->ASRock A300 and later X300 Mini itx with Desktop AM4 socket | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->Vega | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - choose your own AMD APU GE 35w based - DDR4 - |- | <!--Name-->ASRock 4x4 BOX-5800U Zen 3-based AMD Ryzen 7 5800U 15W - | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->m.2 slot gen 3 and sata | <!--Gfx-->vega | <!--Audio-->HD audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|1 GbE and 1 2.5GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - WiFi 6E - |- | <!--Name-->Topton S500+ Gaming Mini PC - Morefine S500+ 5900HX Mini PC - Minisforum UM590 Ryzen AMD Zen3 Ryzen 9 5900HX 7 5800H 45W - | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 nvme 1 sata | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 thru HDMI 2.0, DP 1.4, and USB type-C | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|usb3.1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|1 realtek rtl 8111h and 1 8125 2.5GbE bg-cg}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 2 sodimm ddr4 3200MHz - |- | <!--Name-->Chuwi RzBox later Ubox | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 nvme | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 later to 660m vga, dp, hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->{{maybe|usb-c usb2}} | <!--Ethernet-->dual gigabit | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 2025 64bit amd 5800h 4800h 6600H - 90w psu - |- | <!--Name-->Beelink Mini PC SER5, Trigkey AZW S5, Asus PN52, ZHI BEN MX-JB560, | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->PCIe3 M.2 2280 nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD Vega 6 with 1 or 2 hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek 1GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit 5500U 5560u 5600U to PRO 5600H 5800H - 19v 3.42W 65W psu - |- | <!--Name-->NIPOGI Kamrui ACEMAGICIAN AM06PRO Dual LAN Mini PC AMD Ryzen 7 5800U, 5 5500U or 5600U/5625U | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->M.2 and 2.5in sata | <!--Gfx-->Vega 7 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->2 GbE ports | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - plastic build - 90w usb-c power - loud at 25W setting - |- | <!--Name-->Topton FU02 Fanless Mini PC AMD Ryzen 7 4700U 5600U 5800U 8 Core 16 Threads | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe and 2.5in sata | <!--Gfx-->Vega | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->4 3.0 with 2 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->2 x 1G | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64 - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - fanless with copper cube from cpu to metal sheet which gets warm |- | <!--Name-->Xuu XR1 Lite (5300u 4c 8t) PRO 5400U MAX 5600U | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 NVMe 2242 slot | <!--Gfx-->Vega 6 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->2 3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->1G | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64 quiet fan - very small case no expansions - |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->MINISFORUM UM690 Venus Series | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->pcie4 nvme 2280 and 1 sata3 2.5in | <!--Gfx-->680m RNDA2 12CU with 2 hdmi | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|1 USB4 and 2 USB3.2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|2.5G LAN}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit 6900hx 8C16T - 2 ddr5 sodimmm - 19v ???W - |- | <!--Name-->Beelink Mini PC GTR6 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->PCIe4 | <!--Gfx-->AMD 680M RDNA2 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->USB3.2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek 2.5GbE or intel i225}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit Ryzen 9 6900HX Zen3+ and a 2gb Radeon 680m 12CU ddr5 sodimm - 19v 120w psu - |- | <!--Name-->Asus PN53, Geekom AS 6, | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->pcie gen4 nvme and ata 2.5in | <!--Gfx-->680m RNDA2 12CU with 2 hdmi and 1 dp | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|2 usb-c, 2 USB2.1 and 3 USB3.2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|1G LAN}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit 6900hx 8C 16T - 2 slots ddr5 sodimmm (64Gb max) - 19v 120W - 4 retained base screws beware ribbon cable - |- | <!--Name-->Micro Computer (HK) Tech Ltd MinisForum UM773 Lite later UM750L slim, GMKtec K2 Mini PC | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe PCIe4.0 | <!--Gfx-->RDNA | <!--Audio-->HD Audio | <!--USB-->USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->2.5GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2023 2025 64bit - AMD Zen 3+ (8c 16t) Ryzen 7 7735HS, 7840HS and AMD Ryzen 9 7845HX AMD Ryzen™5 7545U (6c12t) - 19v up to 120w ac adapter - ddr5 sodimm 4800Mhz - |- | <!--Name-->[https://www.asrockind.com/en-gb/4x4 ASrock 4x4 SBC] | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->sata or nvme | <!--Gfx-->Vega or 680M | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 or USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 1GbE or intel 2.5GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Beelink Mini PC GTR7 SER7 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->PCIe4 nvme 2280 up to 2Tb | <!--Gfx-->AMD 780M RDNA3 GPU output on hdmi and dp | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3.2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|1 or 2 2.5GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2023 64bit AMD Phoenix APUs Zen 4 CPU Ryzen 7 7840HS or 9 7940HS (8c 16t) - 19v 5.26A 120w psu - del dios setup f7 choose boot - 2 usb-c on back - up to 64gb via 2 ddr5 sodimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->MINISFORUM BD770i Ryzen 7 7745HX (8c16t) or BD795i SE 790i 9 7945HX (16c32t) or F1FXM_MB_V1.1 795M LGA1700 mATX | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 NVMe | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 610m over usb-c, dp or hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with codec | <!--USB-->USB3 with 2 rear USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 2.5G | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Opinion-->2024 mini-ITX M/B is the first MoDT (Mobile on Desktop) with soldered AMD CPU - 2 dual PCIe4.0 M.2 slots - 2 ddr5 sodimm slots max 5200Mhz - 8pin cpu power - battery not easily replaceable underneath - |- | <!--Name-->Minisforum ms-a1 MS-a2 * 5700G to 8700G apu * 9955HX | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 610M | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->dual 2.5GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2024 64bit - 19v ?A round barrel jack - 2 ddr5 so-dimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->AOOSTAR GT68 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->Nvme | <!--Gfx-->680m | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->2 2.5Gb | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 Ryzen7 Pro 6850H, |- | <!--Name-->NextSBC 7840HS | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->Nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 780M 12CU | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with codec | <!--USB-->USB4 and USB 3.2 | <!--Ethernet-->2 GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - 32Gb soldered - |- | <!--Name-->Firebat A6 R7 6800H | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 680M | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Minisforum UM760 7640HS | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 760 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 and 2.5Gb | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Peladn WO4 Mini PC | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 760 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit 7640HS - 19v 5.26A 120W - |- | <!--Name-->BossGame M4 Neo 7840HS | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 780 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Minisforum UM870 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVme || <!--Gfx-->AMD 780M || <!--Audio-->HDaudio || <!--USB-->USB3 || <!--Ethernet-->2.5GbE || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->GEEKOM A8 Max AI Mini PC AMD Ryzen™ 9 8945HS, Ryzen™ 7 8845HS or 8745HS | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 780M | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe| USB4}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Dual 2.5 G Ethernet ports}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Beelink SER 9 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVme | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 890M | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - Ryzen AI HX 370 strix point - |- | <!--Name-->GMKtec EVO-X2 mini pc | <!--IDE-->{{n/a}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 8060S iGPU RDNA3.5 RADV GFX1151 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - amd ryzen AI Max+ 395 (16c32t) strix halo - |- | <!--Name-->BosGame M5 | <!--IDE-->{{n/a}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 8060S iGPU RDNA3.5 RADV GFX1151 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - amd ryzen AI Max+ 395 (16c32t) - |- | <!--Name-->Steam Machine GabeCube | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->semi-custom 1080p amd 7600m like with 28cu 8gb ddr6 gddr 10GFlops | <!--Audio-->hdaudio with codec | <!--USB-->usb3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2026 64bit amd 1772 hawk point2 6c12t zen4 avx512 FP7 socket with FCH51 - 16gb ddr5 - |- | <!--Name-->AMD Ryzen AI Halo Developer Platform Workstation | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2026 64bit - amd ryzen AI Max+ 395 (16c32t) - |- | <!--Name-->GMKtec EVO-X1 PRO | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 890M with HDMI 2.1 and DP 2.1 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB4 40G and USB3 10G | <!--Ethernet-->2xIntel | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2026 64bit - AMD Ai 9 HX 470 Gorgon Point 12c 24t - 19v 120w - DDR5 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->AMD 8065S | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2026 64bit - AMD Ai MAX+ 495 Gorgon Halo - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |} ===Server Systems=== [[#top|...to the top]] ====IBM==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="15%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->xSeries 206m | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|ATI RN50b (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio-->{{n/a}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0 (UHCI/EHCI)}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro-->Nightly Build 2014-09-27 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} ===Motherboard=== [[#top|...to the top]] * Late 2002, USB2.0 added and slightly better AROS sound support (AC97) appeared * 2002-2005 and still, to a limited extent, ongoing [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague bad capacitors] * Late 2003, ATX PSUs moved from 5V to 12v rails (extra 4pin on motherboard for CPU) * Late 2005, PCI Express replaced AGP and HDAudio replaced AC97 * Late 2007, ATX PSUs added extra 12V PCI-E connectors and 4+4pin for CPUs * Late 2010, USB3.0 appears on motherboards or needing a PCI-E motherboard slot * Late 2014 Hardware USB2 removed from USB3 chipsets ====AMD Sockets==== [[#top|...to the top]] =====Socket 7 (1997/1999)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->1997 VT82C586B (QFP-208) is the first from VIA with DDMA |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2000 VT82C686 has close to excellent DDMA support |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->SiS 5581/5582 SiS 5591/5595 SiS 530 /5595 SiS 600/5595 SiS 620/5595 |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} =====Socket A 462 (2001/4)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.sharkyextreme.com/hardware/motherboards/article.php/2217921/ABIT-NF7-S-nForce2-Motherboard-Review.htm Abit NF7-S] | <!--Chipset-->nForce 2 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->2 ports | <!--SATA-->SIL 3112A | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC650 AC97 (Nvidia APU)}} | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL 8201LB | <!--Opinion-->Firewire Realtek RTL8801B |- | <!--Name-->ASRock K7NF2 | <!--Chipset-->nforce2 ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|AGP 8x}} | <!--Audio-->CMedia CMI 9761A AC'97 | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8201 | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASRock K7S8X | <!--Chipset-->SIS 746FX | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|AGP 8x}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC'97 cmedia}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB2.0 works but does not boot}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|SiS900}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASRock K7S41GX | <!--Chipset-->SIS 741GX + DDR 333 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|onboard sis does not work with vga or vesa but AGP 8x works}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 SIS 7012}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB2.0 works but does not boot}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|SiS 900}} | <!--Opinion-->works ok |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.asus.com ASUS A7N8X] | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->Silicon Image Sil 3112A | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ac97 ALC650}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|ehci USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8201BL - nforce}} | <!--Opinion-->first total support for AROS in 2004/5 - damocles and M Schulz |- | <!--Name-->Biostar M7NCD | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 Ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC650 AC97}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8201BL}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Chaintech 7NJS Ultra Zenith | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 Ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->Promise PDC 20376 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|CMI8738}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->DFI Lanparty NF2 Ultra | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 Ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{no|via ac97 VT1616}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8139C | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ECS N2U400-A | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 Ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{no|Cmedia 9379A AC97}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|usb2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|VIA VT6103L}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA7N400L | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 Ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP 8x slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 ALC650}} | <!--USB-->2 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8100C | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.gigabyte.lv/products/page/mb/ga-8siml Gigabyte 8SIML] | <!--Chipset-->SIS 650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC'97}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|working}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Realtek RTL8100L LAN}} | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Matsonic [http://www.elhvb.com/mobokive/archive/matsonic/manual/index.html Manuals] MS83708E | <!--Chipset-->SIS730 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|SiS 5513}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|sis 305 no support use VESA}} | <!--Audio-->{{no|sis7018}} | <!--USB-->{{no|SiS 7001 USB 1.1 only}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|SIS900}} | <!--Opinion-->little support |- | <!--Name-->[http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=bph07585&lc=en&dlc=en&cc=us&dest_page=softwareCategory&os=228&tool=softwareCategory&query=Pavilion%20742n&product=89232 MSI MS-6367 HP 722n 742n (Mambo) (2001/2)] | <!--Chipset-->Nvidia nforce 220D (2001/2) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->GeForce2 AGP works 2D nouveau only | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|AC97 ADI 1885 no volume control on Units 0-3}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|4 USB1.1 ports AMD based - front 2 ports iffy}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|nForce}} | <!--Opinion-->Tested 20th Aug 2012 NB |- | <!--Name-->MSI K7N2 [http://us.msi.com/index.php?func=proddesc&maincat_no=1&prod_no=546/ Delta ILSR] Delta-L | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 (2002/3) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|Primary & Secondary ports}} IDE Tertiary port (RAID) | <!--SATA-->2 ports (RAID) | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|when fitted with an agp video card}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ac97 ALC650}} | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8201BL - nforce}} | <!--Opinion-->runs AROS well. Tested with Icaros 1.2.3 |- | <!--Name-->MSI K7N2 Delta2-LSR Platinum | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 (2002/3) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|Primary & Secondary ports}} IDE Tertiary port (RAID) | <!--SATA-->2 ports (RAID) | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|when fitted with an agp video card}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|ac97 ALC655}} | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8201BL - nforce}} | <!--Opinion-->runs AROS well. Tested with Icaros 1.2.3 |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.sharkyextreme.com/hardware/motherboards/article.php/2204281/Soltek-SL-75MRN-L-nForce2-Motherboard-Review.htm Soltek 75FRN-L] | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|2 ports}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->AGP slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC650}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 usb2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek RTL8201BL}} | <!--Opinion-->good support |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.3dvelocity.com/reviews/mach4nf2ultra/mach4.htm XFX Pine Mach4 nForce2 Ultra 400] | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|3 ports}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2 ports VIA VT6240}} | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP 8x slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC650}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8201BL}} | <!--Opinion-->some support |- | <!--Name-->ASUS A7V266 | <!--Chipset-->via KT266A + 8233 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{no|issues}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP slot | <!--Audio-->AC97 with AD1980 codec | <!--USB-->via 8233 | <!--Ethernet-->VIA VT6103 | <!--Opinion-->2002 issues with booting |- | <!--Name-->Asus A7V8X-X | <!--Chipset-->VIA KT400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{unk| }} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|agp}} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|AC97 with ADI AD1980 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{unk|VIA 8235}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|Realtek 10/100}} | <!--Opinion-->2003 not booting for Socket A for AMD Barton/Thoroughbred/Athlon XP/Athlon/Duron 2.25+ GHz CPU - 3 x DDR DIMM Sockets Max. 3 GB - |- |} =====Socket 754 (2004/5)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Abit NF8-V2 | <!--Chipset-->nForce3 250GB (2004/5) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|2 ports}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2 ports}} | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP slot x8 | <!--Audio-->ALC658 ac97 | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|RTL8201C}} | <!--Opinion-->a little support but no Firewire VIA VT6306 |- | <!--Name-->Biostar CK8 K8HNA Pro | <!--Chipset-->nforce3 150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->VT6420 thru ide legacy only | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{no|AC97 ALC655}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8110S | <!--Opinion-->Firewire VT6307 no |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.extremeoverclocking.com/reviews/motherboards/Chaintech_ZNF3-150_3.html Chaintech ZNF3-150 Zenith] | <!--Chipset-->nforce3 150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->2 ports | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|Sli3114 SATA via IDE emul}} | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP slot | <!--Audio-->{{no|VIA Envy24PT (VT1720) + VT1616}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|2 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom GbE 5788}} | <!--Opinion-->very little support needs PCI cards but no Firewire VIA VT6306 |- | <!--Name-->DFI Lanparty UT nF3 250GB | <!--Chipset-->nForce3 250gb | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->2 ports | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2 ports nForce3 and 2 Marvell SATA PHY}} | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 ALC850}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|2 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->CK8S - Winfast NF3 250K8AA works and Marvell 88E1111 does not work | <!--Opinion-->2005 some support but no Firewire VIA VT6307 |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-K8N | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA nForce3 150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC658 AC97 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8100C | <!--Opinion-->Firewire TI43AB23 no |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte K8NNXP | <!--Chipset-->nForce3 150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->Sata sil3512 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC658 AC97 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTl8110S | <!--Opinion-->Firewire TI STB82AA2 no |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-K8NSNXP | <!--Chipset-->nForce3 250GB | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->SiI 3512 CT128 Sata Sil3515 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC850 AC97 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvel 88E8001}} | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->MSI K8N Neo-FIS2R | <!--Chipset-->nVIDIA NF3-250Gb | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Realtek 7.1 AC'97 ALC850 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E1111}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->[http://techreport.com/articles.x/5748/1 Shuttle AN50R] | <!--Chipset-->nF3-150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->Sil 3112 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC650 AC97 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Nvidia nF3 (10/100) Intel 82540EM Gigabit | <!--Opinion-->Firewire VT6307 no |- | <!--Name--> Foxconn WinFast K8S755A | <!--Chipset-->SiS755 + SiS964 (DDR333) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> {{yes|AC97}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> {{yes|RTL8169}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket 939 (2005)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus A8N-LA GeForce 6150 LE | <!--Chipset-->Geforce 6150 (MCP51) + nForce 430 (PC-3200) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|two ATA 133}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|four 3.0GB/s SATAII ports}} | <!--Gfx-->built in or PCI-E x16 | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC883 HD Audio | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL 8201CL | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus A8N-SLI Premium | <!--Chipset-->NVidia | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|PCIe slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|nForce LAN but not Marvell}} | <!--Opinion-->Works well |- | <!--Name-->DFI nF4 Ultra-D LanParty - Diamond Flower International sold to BenQ group 2010 | <!--Chipset-->nF4 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->2 ports | <!--SATA-->4 ports SATA 2 | <!--Gfx-->2 PCIe x16 slots | <!--Audio-->AC97 with ALC850 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Dual Gigabit Ethernet, PCIe by Vitesse VSC8201 PHY nee Cicada 8201, PCI by Marvel 88E8001 | <!--Opinion-->2006 64bit - Four 184-pin DDR Dual-Channel Slots - 1 pci on Ultra, 2 pci on sli, |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus A8V E SE | <!--Chipset-->VIA K8T890 +VT8237R CHIPSET ATX AMD Motherboard with Athlon 64 X2 / Athlon 64 FX / Athlon 64 | <!--ACPI-->{{N/A}} | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{N/A}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe}} AC97 driver using Realtek ALC850 codec | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} USB 2.0 only | <!--Ethernet-->{{No}} Marvell 88E8053 | <!--Opinion-->Good base but needs additional PCI cards added for better support |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASUS A8V Deluxe (2004) | <!--Chipset-->VIA K8T800 Pro (DDR400) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->Promise 20378 2 ports | <!--SATA-->2 SATA2 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{no|VIA VT8233A 8235 8237 AC97}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Marvell 88E8001 Gigabit}} | <!--Opinion-->needs extra PCI cards |- |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->AsRock 939Dual-SATA2 | <!--Chipset-->Ali Uli M1695 PCIe with M1567 AGP | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->2 ports | <!--SATA-->1 Sata with JMicron JMB360 chip | <!--Gfx-->1 pci-e and 1 agp | <!--Audio-->AC97 with ALC850 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8201CL PHY ULi 10/100 | <!--Opinion-->64bit pci-e and agp combo on board - 4 ddr slots - |} =====Socket AM2 (2006/8) and AM2+ (2007-2010) ===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-M61PME-S2 (rev. 2.x) | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA® GeForce 6100 / nForce 430 chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2d for vga}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio Realtek ALC662 Audio Codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus M2N61-AR mini itx | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA nForce 430 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 | <!--SATA-->2 | <!--Gfx-->GeForce 6150SE via vga or 1 pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->Nvidia | <!--Ethernet-->Nvidia | <!--Opinion-->2006 32bit - 1 pci - 2 ddr2 dimm slots non-eec - |- | <!--Name-->asus m2n68-am se2 | <!--Chipset-->nvidia 630a 630/a MCP68SE | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 ports | <!--SATA-->2 ports MCP61 chipset is SATA over IDE, not SATA over AHCI and reports subsystem as 0x1 IDE, not 0x6 SATA | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|nvidia 7025 2d and 3d thru vga}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|hd audio with realtek alc662 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|nForce chipset RTL 8201CP}} | <!--Opinion-->2007 64bit Phenom IIX2, Athlon 64 LE X2, Sempron, and Phenom FX processors - ddr2 667Mhz ram max 4Gb - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-MA770-UD3 (rev. 1.0) | <!--Chipset-->AMD 770 with SB700 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC888 codec }} | <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 8111C later 8111D}} | <!--Opinion-->Good support for AM2+ / AM2 with 4 ddr2 ram - 4 x PCI Express x1, 2 x PCI slots - firewire T.I. TSB43AB23 chip no support - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus M3A32-MVP Deluxe | <!--Chipset-->AMD 790FX RD790 + SB600 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{No|Marvell 88SE6121 SATA II}} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 1.1 support | <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio ADI® AD1988}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8056}} | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASROCK N68-S N68C-S | <!--Chipset-->AMD based nForce 630a | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|slimline DVD drive works}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|GF 7025 use vesa}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio for VIA 1708S VT1705}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|echi usb 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|RTL8201EL / 8201CL - nforce}} | <!--Opinion-->2008 unbuffered 1066Mhz ddr2 ram - N68C-S may need noacpi added to grub boot line to disable pci temporarily to run as it cannot get to [PCI] Everything OK - |- | <!--Name-->Asus M2N68-AM Plus | <!--Chipset-->Athlon 64, Sempron, Athlon 64 X2, Athlon 64 FX with nvidia 630a | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->no vga, pci-e slot only | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio with ALC662 codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|RTL8211CL Gigabit LAN}} | <!--Opinion-->adding "noacpi noapic noioapic" to the GRUB options - Dual channel DDR2 1066, 800, 667 MHz - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-M68M-S2 (1.0) S2P (2.3) S2L GA-M68SM-S2 (1.x) | <!--Chipset-->nForce 630a chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA® GeForce 7025, vga (s2 and s2p), dvi (s2l) | <!--Audio-->ALC883 (S2), ALC888B (S2P), ALC662 (S2L), | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8201CL (S2), 8211CL (S2P), 8211BL (S2L), | <!--Opinion-->2008 64bit possible with AMD AM2+ CPU on AM2 motherboard, the system bus speed will downgrade from HT3.0(5200MHz) to HT1.0(2000 MT/s) spec |- | <!--Name-->ASUS M2N68-VM | <!--Chipset-->nForce 630a (MCP68PVNT) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Nvidia GeForce ® 7050PV hdmi, dvi and vga | <!--Audio-->HD audio VIA 1708B codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8211C | <!--Opinion-->2008 64bit - ddr2 800Mhz |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket AM3 White socket (2010/11)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-MA74GM-S2 GA-MA74GM-S2H | <!--Chipset-->740g with sb710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|bios IDE}} | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 2100 and pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->ALC888 (r1.x),ALC888b (r2.0), ALC888B (rev4.x) | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8111C later 8111D | <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit - 2 x 1.8V DDR2 DIMM sockets max 8 GB - Micro ATX Form Factor 24.4cm x 23.4cm - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.vesalia.de/e_aresone2011.htm Aresone 2011] | <!--Chipset-->760g | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|no Radeon HD3000 driver yet<br>vesa driver works<br>and add PCIe card}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes}} | <!--Opinion-->Good support - 4 DDR3 memory sockets - |- | <!--Name-->Foxconn A76ML-K 3.0 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 760g rev3.0 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes|1 }} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|4 in IDE mode }} | <!--Gfx-->HD3000 with pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC662-GR codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111E | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit - 2 ddr3 slots - 2 pci slots - |- | <!--Name-->GA-MA770T-UD3P (rev. 1.0 to 1.4) | <!--Chipset-->amd 770 with sb710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|4 sata}} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio with Realtek ALC888 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8168 rtl8111c/d}} | <!--Opinion-->2011 64 - 4 ddr3 dimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-MA770-UD3 (rev. 2.0 2.1) | <!--Chipset-->AMD 770 with SB700 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC888 codec }} | <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 8111C later 8111D}} | <!--Opinion-->Good support for AM3 with 4 ddr2 ram - 4 x PCI Express x1, 2 x PCI slots - firewire T.I. TSB43AB23 chip no support - |- | <!--Name-->Asus M4A785TD-M PRO | <!--Chipset-->785G and SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|ide legacy}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|ATI Radeon HD 4200 - use vesa}} or pci-e 2.0 slot | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Opinion-->Good support with 1366 ddr3 ram - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASUS M4A88T-I Deluxe ITX | <!--Chipset-->AMD 880G with AMD SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->Three SATA 3Gbps | <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 4350 GPU with HDMI and DVI or One 16x PCI-Express 2.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC889 | <!--USB-->6 x USB 2, 2 x USB 3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek RTL8112L}} | <!--Opinion-->2014 64bit - 2 SODIMM DDR3 slots max 8GB |- | <!--Name-->Asus M4A88T-M Version E5907 E5826 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 880G SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 4250 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with VIA VT 1708S codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek rtl8169 8111E | <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->GigaByte 890GPA-UD3H | <!--Chipset-->AMD 890GX together with SB850 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->Yes | <!--Gfx-->use pci-e nvidia | <!--Audio-->Maybe - ALC892 rev. 1.0, ALC892 rev 2.1, ALC889 rev. 3.1 | <!--USB-->Yes | <!--Ethernet-->Yes | <!--Opinion-->works well overall |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-890FXA-UD7 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 890FX with SB850 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|IDE }} | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC889 (rev 2.x) | <!--USB-->{{Yes|AMD USB2 but limited with NEC D720200F1 USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->2 x Realtek 8111D | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit - XL-ATX Form Factor 32.5cm x 24.4cm - 4 ddr3 slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI 890GXM-G65 | <!--Chipset-->890GX + SB750 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|legacy}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|ATI 4290 built-in (vesa)}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ALC889 DD GR}} HD Audio crackles | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8169}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASRock N68-VS3 FX | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA® GeForce 7025 / nForce 630a | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 Sata2 | <!--Gfx-->Integrated NVIDIA® GeForce 7025 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with VIA® VT1705 Codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek PHY RTL8201EL | <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit - 2 x DDR3 DIMM slots - |- | <!--Name-->MSI GF615M-P35 MS-7597 | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA® nForce 430 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->GeForce 6150SE | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with Realtek® ALC888S}} | <!--USB-->{{No|freezes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek 8211CL}} | <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-M68MT-S2 | <!--Chipset--> nForce 630a | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA® GeForce 7025 vga | <!--Audio-->ALC888B (1.3), ACL887 (3.1), | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8211CL (all) | <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit possible, AMD AM3 CPU on this motherboard, the system bus speed will downgrade from HT3.0 (5200MT/s) to HT1.0 (2000 MT/s) spec |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-M68MT-S2P | <!--Chipset--> nForce 630a | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA® GeForce 7025 vga | <!--Audio-->ALC888B (1.x 2.x), ALC889 (3.0), ALC888B/889 (3.1), | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8211CL (all) | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus M4N78 PRO | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA GeForce 8300 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 xUltraDMA 133/100 | <!--SATA-->6 xSATA 3 Gbit/s ports | <!--Gfx-->Integrated NVIDIA® GeForce® 8 series GPU with 1 PCIe 2.0 slot | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with VIA1708S 8 -Channel codec | <!--USB-->12 USB 2.0 ports (8 ports at mid-board, 4 ports at back panel) | <!--Ethernet-->NVIDIA Gigabit | <!--Opinion-->4 x DIMM, Max. 16 GB, DDR2 1200(O.C.)/1066*/800/667 ECC,Non-ECC,Un-buffered Memory - ATX Form Factor 12 inch x 9.6 inch ( 30.5 cm x 24.4 cm ) - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} =====Socket AM3+ Black socket (2012/15)===== *095W FX-6300 FD6300WMHKBOX (bulldozer SSE4.1 AVX) 970 mobos with FX-8320E 8core Black Editions FD832EWMHKBOX FX-8370E (Vishera/Piledriver) *125W FX-6310 (bulldozer) 970 mobos with FX-8320 FX-8350 FX-8370 (Vishera/Piledriver) *220W 990FX mobos with FX-9000 FX-9370 FX-9590 {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS M5A78L-M LX3 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 760G with SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|bios IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx-->HD3000 with pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC887, V? ALC892 codecs | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Qualcomm Atheros 8161/8171 add realtek 8111? pci-e card}} | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit - uATX Form Factor 9.6 inch x 7.4 inch ( 24.4 cm x 18.8 cm ) - 2 x DIMM, Max. 16GB, DDR3 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-78LMT-S2P | <!--Chipset-->AMD 760G and SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|6 SATA2 ports}} | <!--Gfx-->GT240 and a nv7900gs, both pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ALC889 (r3.1), ALC??? (rev. 4.0), ALC887 (r5.x)}} | <!--USB-->4 USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek 8111E (r3.1), Atheros (rev4.0), Atheros (r5.x) }} | <!--Opinion-->2012 offers very poor control over its EFI vs. BIOS booting partition features |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-78LMT-USB3 (r3.0), (r4.1 Blue board), (r5.0 dark board), (rev6 dark mobo) | <!--Chipset-->AMD 760G and SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|Bios IDE mode for SATA2 on early ones}} | <!--Gfx-->AMD HD3000, pci-e GT240 and a nv7900gs | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ALC??? (r3.0), ALC887 (r4.1), VIA VT2021 (r5.0), Realtek® ALC892 codec (rev6) }} | <!--USB-->{{yes|AMD USB2 but not VIA® VL805 USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit - Micro ATX Form Factor 24.4cm x 24.4cm - 4 x DDR3 DIMM sockets - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI 760GM | <!--Chipset-->ATI 760G plus SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->HD3000 Use Vesa | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|P33 VT1705; P34, P21 and P23 (FX) MS7641 v3.0 ALC887, E51 ALC892}} | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Opinion-->P23 issues with audio ALC887 crackles thru earphones - |- | <!--Name-->Gigayte GA-MA770T-UD3P (rev. 3.1) | <!--Chipset-->amd 770 with sb710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata | <!--Gfx-->pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with Realtek ALC888/892 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111d/e | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASRock 890FX Deluxe5 Extreme3 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 890FX + AMD SB850 or SB950 (Extreme3) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes}} | <!--Gfx-->{{N/A}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ALC892}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL8111E rtl8169}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus M5A97 R2.0 EVO | <!--Chipset-->AMD 970 and SB950 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->Asmedia SATA Controller | <!--Gfx-->n/a | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC887 (LE), ALC887 (Regular), ALC892 (EVO) codec | <!--USB-->4 USB 2.0 and 2 Asmedia USB3.0 Controller | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111F | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-970A-D3 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 970 with SB950 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio--> ALC??? (rev. 1.0/1.1), ALC887 (rev1.2), VIA VT2021 codec (rev 1.3 1.4 and rev3.0) | <!--USB-->{{yes|AMD USB2 but not Etron EJ168 chip (USB3)}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE 8111E (all revisions), | <!--Opinion-->2015 64bit - ATX Form Factor 30.5cm x 22.4cm - 4 x 1.5V DDR3 DIMM sockets - |- | <!--Name-->MSI 970 Gaming | <!--Chipset-->970FX SB950 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Realtek® ALC1150 Codec | <!--USB-->6 usb2 with 2 USB3 VIA VL806 Chipset | <!--Ethernet-->Killer E2205 Gigabit LAN | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus M5A99X EVO | <!--Chipset-->990X - RD980 with SB920 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->2 pci-e gen ? | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC892 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 realtek 8111e | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-990XA-UD3 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 990 with SB950 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC889 (rev 1.x, 3.0, 3.1), | <!--USB-->{{yes|AMD USB2 not 2 x Etron EJ168 chips for USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->realtek rtl8169 8111e | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit - ATX Form Factor; 30.5cm x 24.4cm - 4 ddr3 slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====AMD Fusion (2011/14)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | 1.2GHz single Bobcat Fusion C30 + Hudson M1 | ACPI | IDE | SATA | AMD 6250 | Audio | USB | Ethernet | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | Asus E35M1-M PRO uATX | 1.6GHz 18W AMD Fusion E-350 dual core + Hudson M1 | ACPI | {{N/A}} | SATA | AMD 6310 - no HD driver yet | ALC887 VD2 | USB | RTL8111E | 2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - EFI bios - pci slot - |- | Asus E35M1-I Deluxe miniITX | 1.6GHz dual AMD Fusion E350 + Hudson M1 + DDR3 | ACPI | {{N/A}} | SATA | AMD 6310 - no HD driver yet | ALC892 | USB | Realtek 8111E | 2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - no support for Atheros AR5008 on a Mini PCI-E - 1 pci slot - |- | ASRock E350M1 / USB3 (also version with USB3.0 added) | 1.6GHz dual AMD Fusion E350 + Hudson M1 | ACPI | {{N/A}} | SATA - 4 SATA3 | {{Maybe|AMD 6310 - use vesa with hdmi and dvi}} | {{Yes|Audio ALC892 playback but no HDMI output}} | USB - 4 USB2.0 and 2 USB3.0 | {{Yes|rtl8169 for Realtek rtl8111E}} | 2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 1 pci-e 2.0 x4 slot - f2 or del bios, f11 boot select - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-E350N-USB3 mini-ITX | <!--Chipset--> Hudson M1 FCH | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 SATA3 | <!--Gfx--> plus HDMI, DVI | <!--Audio-->ALC892 | <!--USB-->2 NEC USB3.0 with 4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 for Realtek rtl8111E | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 1 pci slot - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-E350N Win8 V1.0 | <!--Chipset-->Hudson M1 FCH A45 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 SATA3 | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Use VESA - AMD 6310 plus HDMI, DVI}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC887 playback through headphones but not thru hdmi}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|4 USB2.0 needs more testing}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 for Realtek 8111e}} | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - works well but need to test with sata hard disk |- | <!--Name-->MSI E350IA-E45 | <!--Chipset-->e-350 + Hudson M1 + DDR3 | <!--ACPI-->no support | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 Sata3 ports | <!--Gfx-->AMD 6310 gpu | <!--Audio-->ALC HDA | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 and 2 USB3.0 through NEC 720200 chipset | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8111E | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS E45M1-M PRO | <!--Chipset-->E450 APU with Hudson M1 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC887 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS E45M1-I Deluxe | <!--Chipset-->E-450 together | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111E | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket FM1 (2011/13)===== On board Graphic on CPU - HD6410D, HD6530D, HD6550D, {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS F1A55-M LE | <!--Chipset--> with AMD A55 FCH (Hudson D2) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->6 x SATA 3Gbit/s port(s), blue Support Raid 0, 1, 10, JBOD | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 2.0 slot or Integrated AMD Radeon™ HD 6000 in Llano APU | <!--Audio-->Realtek® ALC887 Audio CODEC | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 ports | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111E rtl8169 | <!--Opinion-->2012 2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - A-Series/E2- Series APUs up to 4 cores - 2 x DIMM, Max. 32GB, DDR3 2250(O.C.)/1866/1600/1333/1066 MHz Non-ECC, Un-buffered Memory Dual Channel Memory Architecture - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket FM2 White Socket (2012/13)===== Onboard Gfx on CPU - HD6570, HD7480D, HD7540D, {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A75 A85X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket FM2 Plus Black socket (2013/15)===== Onboard Gfx on CPU - HD6570, HD7480D, HD7540D, {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A88X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket AM1 FS1b socket (2014/1x)===== 5350 4 core Jaguar cores 2GHz with Integrated AMD Radeon R Series Graphics in the APU Kabini [Radeon HD 8400] Later Beema APU with 2/4 core Puma (slightly updated Jaguar) cores, GCN graphics and a compute capable Radeon core, along with a brand new AMD security processor and FT3 BGA packaging (probably best avoided for long term survival). {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS AM1I-A | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HD Audio Realtek® ALC887-VD | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111GR 8168 | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit may support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->MSI AM1I | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC887 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111G | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI AM1M | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC887 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111G | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->BGA FT3 AM1x |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket AM4 FM3 Summit Ridge Zen Zen+ (2016/22)===== Jim Keller’s group designed x86 Zen CPU - new and covering the same AM4 platform/socket for desktop Zen will also shift from Bulldozer’s Clustered Multithreading (CMT) to Simultaneous Multithreading (SMT, aka Intel’s Hyperthreading). CMT is the basis for Bulldozer’s unusual combination of multiple integer cores sharing a single FPU within a module, so the move to SMT is a more “traditional” design for improving resource usage Trusted Platform Module, or fTPM, that Windows 11 requires. Ryzen processors using a firmware TPM are causing stutters, even when doing mundane tasks. To enable TPM 2.0 on your AMD system please follow the steps below. <pre> Power on system and press DEL or F2 to get into the BIOS. Navigate to Advanced\CPU Configuration. Enable AMD fTPM switch. Press F10 to save changes. </pre> {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG Crosshair VI Hero | <!--Chipset-->X370 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 3.0 (1x16 or 2x8) | <!--Audio-->SupremeFX audio features an S1220 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel I211 | <!--Opinion-->Ryzen 7 1800X 1700X |- | <!--Name-->Biostar X370gtn Itx Am4 | <!--Chipset-->AMD X370 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek Dragon LAN RTL8118AS | <!--Opinion--> 2 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-AX370 K7 | <!--Chipset--> X370 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with 2 x Realtek® ALC1220 codec 0x10EC, 0x0295 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->1 intel and 1 E2500 | <!--Opinion--> 4 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name-->MSI Xpower Gaming Titanium | <!--Chipset--> X370 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->8-channel Realtek 1220 Codec 0x10EC, 0x0295 | <!--USB-->ASMedia® ASM2142 and amd cpu | <!--Ethernet-->1 x Intel® I211AT Gigabit LAN | <!--Opinion--> 2 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus Prime B350 Plus ATX | <!--Chipset-->B350 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> x PCIe 3.0/2.0 x16 (x16 mode) | <!--Audio-->Realtek® ALC887 8-Channel | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® RTL8111H | <!--Opinion-->Ryzen 5 1600x 1600 1500X 1400 - 4 x DIMM Max 64GB, DDR4 up to 2666MHz ECC and non-ECC Memory - ATX 12 inch x 9.35 inch ( 30.5 cm x 23.7 cm ) - 2 pci |- | <!--Name-->Asus PRIME B350M-A/CSM Micro ATX | <!--Chipset-->AMD B350 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek LAN | <!--Opinion-->Ryzen 3 1300x 1200 1100 |- | <!--Name-->AsRock Pro4 AB350 | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->2 PCIe 3.0 x16, 4 PCIe 2.0 x1 | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Opinion-->2017 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->ASRock AB350 Gaming-ITX/ac | <!--Chipset--> B350 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel LAN | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI B350 Tomahawk Arctic Mortar | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->1 x PCIe 3.0 x16 (x16 mode) | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8111H | <!--Opinion-->white and grey colours - 2 pci-e and 2 pci slots - m.2 in middle - atx 12 in by 9.6 in and matx versions - |- | <!--Name-->Jginyue M-ATX B350M-TI | <!--Chipset-->B350 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Jginyue B350I-Plus ITX | <!--Chipset-->B350 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASRock A320M-ITX MINI ITX Rev1.0 Rev2 Rev2.1 | <!--Chipset-->A320 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2018 |- | <!--Name-->Asus PRIME A320M-C R2.0 rev1.1 A320M-K | <!--Chipset-->A320 A/B300 SFF | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HD audio with Realtek ALC887 alc897 CODEC | <!--USB-->2 usb 3.1 gen 1 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111E | <!--Opinion-->2019 64bit - 3rd/2nd/1st Gen AMD Ryzen™ / 2nd and 1st Gen AMD Ryzen™ with Radeon™ Vega |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI A320M-A PRO MicroATX | <!--Chipset-->AMD A320 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio Realtek® ALC892 | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® 8111H | <!--Opinion-->2019 64bit - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG X399 Zenith Extreme | <!--Chipset-->AMD X399 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio--> supremefx s1220 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel | <!--Opinion-->Threadripper 1950X 1920X 1900X TR4 skt |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->AsRock Fatality X470 Gaming K4 mATX | <!--Chipset-->X470 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->pci-e rebar possible | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asrock Fatal1ty X470 Gaming-ITXac AMD AM4 | <!--Chipset-->AMD X470 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->ASUS ROG STRIX X470-I GAMING AM4 ITX Motherboard | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus B450-I Gaming | <!--Chipset-->AMD B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->high VRM temps - raven ridge 14nm+ like 2200G 2400G |- | <!--Name-->AsRock B450 Gaming K4 | <!--Chipset-->B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> alc892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> 4 ddr4 slots - low VRM thermals 3900x 3950x |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte B450 I Aorus Pro Wifi | <!--Chipset-->AMD B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 nvme pcie3 with 4 sata | <!--Gfx-->pcie | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek® ALC1220-VB codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel LAN | <!--Opinion-->very high vrm temps |- | <!--Name-->Jginyue B450i Gaming ITX | <!--Chipset-->B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata3 - none nvme | <!--Gfx-->pcie3 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->1G | <!--Opinion-->2021 64 2nd 3rd AMD - 2 ddr4 dimm slots |- | <!--Name-->MSI b450 tomahawk max | <!--Chipset--> b450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{n/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HD audio with Realtek® ALC892 Codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111H | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI B450 Pro Carbon | <!--Chipset-->B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> ALC codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel LAN | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI B450-A PRO | <!--Chipset-->B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 8111h | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI B450I GAMING Plus AC ITX | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2019 - 2nd and 3rd gen AMD - 2 ddr4 slots - |- | <!--Name-->MSI B450 GAMING PLUS MAX | <!--Chipset-->B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek® ALC892/ALC897 Codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 8111H | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MAXSUN AMD Challenger B450M M-ATX (aka Soyo) | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASRock X570 PHANTOM GAMING-ITX/TB3 Mini ITX AM4 | <!--Chipset-->X570 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 4.0 | <!--Audio--> ALC1200 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel LAN | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG Crosshair VIII Dark Hero | <!--Chipset-->AMD X570 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> SupremeFX7.1 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel® I211-AT and Realtek® RTL8125-CG 2.5G LAN | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG Strix X570-I Gaming Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI MPG X570 Gaming Plus | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> alc1220 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG Strix B550-i AM4 ITX Motherboard | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 - |- | <!--Name-->Jginyue Jingyue B550i Gaming itx | <!--Chipset-->B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->3 with 1 nvme | <!--Gfx-->1 pci-e 4 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio alc | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->1G | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit max of Ryzen 5500 (c t), 5600, 5600g (6c12t) - 2 ddr4 |- | <!--Name-->Asrock B550 PHANTOM GAMING ITX/AX | <!--Chipset-->AMD B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> pci-e | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with alc1220 codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|intel 2.5G}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->AsRock B550M-ITX/ac | <!--Chipset-->B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC887 ALC897 Audio Codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek Gigabit LAN | <!--Opinion-->2022 - 2 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name-->AsRock ASRock B550M-HDV | <!--Chipset-->B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->nvme and sata3 | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 4.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC887 or ALC897 Audio Codec unknown | <!--USB-->usb3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek rtl8111h Gigabit LAN}} | <!--Opinion-->2022 - 2 ddr4 slots - 1 pcie x1 slot - |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG STRIX B550-A GAMING | <!--Chipset-->B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->PCIe Gen4 x4 & SATA3 | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 4 | <!--Audio--> supremefx S1220A | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel® I225-V 2.5Gb}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte AMD B550I AORUS PRO AX Mini-ITX rev 1.0 | <!--Chipset-->AMD B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 nvme pci-e3 with 4 sata3 | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->Realtek® ALC1220-VB codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Realtek® 2.5GbE LAN}} | <!--Opinion-->2021 2 x DDR4 DIMM sockets 1Rx8/2Rx8/1Rx16 - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte B550 AORUS ELITE AX V2 ATX | <!--Chipset-->B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 4.0 DP and hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC1200 | <!--USB-->USB3 USB 3.2 Gen1 Type-C | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|2.5GbE LAN}} | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit- finer tuning than A520's - AMD Ryzen 5000 Series/ 3rd Gen Ryzen and 3rd Gen Ryzen with Radeon Graphics CPU - Dual Channel ECC/ Non-ECC Unbuffered DDR4, 4 DIMMs - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte B550M DS3H mATX | <!--Chipset--> B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 4.0 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio ALC887 | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->realtek rtl8118 | <!--Opinion-->2021 64bit - 4 ddr4 dimms - |- | <!--Name-->MSI MPG B550 GAMING PLUS ATX | <!--Chipset--> B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 4.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC892 | <!--USB-->USB 3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8111H | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit - 3rd Gen AMD Ryzen Processors - 4 dimm ddr4 - |- | <!--Name-->MSI MAG B550 TOMAHAWK ATX | <!--Chipset--> B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe 1 x M.2, Socket 3, M Key (up to Type 22110) and 1 x M.2, Socket 3, M Key (Type 2242/2260/2280) | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 4.0 with dp and hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDaudio ALC1200 | <!--USB-->USB3 1 x USB 3.1 Type-C and 1 x USB 3.1 Type-A | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8125B and Realtek RTL8111H | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit - 4 Dimm slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Jginyue A520M-H mATX | <!--Chipset-->A520 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> old bios with random issues with APU ryzens - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte A520M S2H mATX | <!--Chipset-->AMD A520 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 1GbE | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit Zen3 65W and up - 2 ddr4 - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte A520I AC mITX mini-itx | <!--Chipset-->AMD A520 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit Zen3 65W and up 5600G (6c12t) or 5700G (8c16t) - 2 ddr4 dimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->MSI A520M-A PRO mATX | <!--Chipset-->A520 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe 1 x M.2, Socket 3, M Key (Type 2242/2260/2280) | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC892 | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111H | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit - 2 ddr4 dimm slots - 3rd Gen AMD Ryzen Desktop and AMD Ryzen 4000 G-Series CPU |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} ===== (Socket AM5 LGA1718 Zen4 Zen5 Zen6 2022/27)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asrock Steel Legend | <!--Chipset-->x670e | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e rnda2 | <!--Audio-->HD audio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit - ddr5 ecc (10 chip) and non-ecc (8 chips) 64Gb @ 6000Mhz or 128GB @ 4800Mhz - |- | <!--Name-->Asrock TaiChi | <!--Chipset-->x670e | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e rnda2 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio | <!--USB-->USB4 with Thunderbolt 4 equivalent | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek killer E3000 2.5GbE}} | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit - ddr5 ecc (10 chip) and non-ecc (8 chips) |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG Crosshair Hero | <!--Chipset-->x670e | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe rnda2 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x670e | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->rnda3 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit 7950x3d 120W, 7900 7800 7600 90W |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x670e | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->rnda3 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus B650E-I | <!--Chipset-->B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 5 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2023 - better sound with an actual AMP, PCIe 5, USB-C display outs - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x650 B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x650 B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x650 B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MAXSUN AMD Challenger B650M WIFI M-ATX (aka Soyo) | <!--Chipset-->B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI b650i mini itx | <!--Chipset-->B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 4 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Opinion-->2023 - front panel connectors at the back of the board - dead rear nvme slot and a drained CMOS battery as the CMOS button being pressed during shipping - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A620M Zen4 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A620M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A620M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A620M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> Zen5 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> Zen6 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--ACPI--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Opinion-->2026 FP8 Zen 6 Medusa Point 4bigC, 4 econC, 2lpC, 8coreGPU - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--ACPI--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Opinion-->2026 FP10 Zen 6 Medusa Point 4bigC, 4 econC, 2lpC, 8coreGPU - |- |} ===== (Zen7 AM6 2027/3x)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} ===== (Zen AM 203x/3x)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} ====Intel Sockets==== [[#top|...to the top]] =====Socket 370 (2000/2)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Intel D815EEA | <!--Chipset-->866Mhz P3 and i815 chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Nvidia AGPx8 6200LE added}} | <!--Audio-->{{N/A}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|2 USB1.1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} | <!--Opinion-->Tested AspireOS 1.7, simple basic board with useful 5 PCI slots |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} =====Socket 478 (2002/4)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->[http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&u=http://detail.zol.com.cn/motherboard/index46381.shtml&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dc.865pe.l%2Bmotherboard%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3DsZB%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official Colorful Technology C.865PE-L Silver Fighter Warrior V2.3] | <!--Chipset-->865PE | <!--ACPI-->{{dunno| }} | <!--IDE-->{{Yes|tested with CDROM}} | <!--SATA-->{{dunno| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|AGP slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|ALC650 AC97}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB 1.1 and 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8100 8139}} | <!--Opinion-->Still testing with NB (Nightly Build) May 2013 |- | <!--Name-->Intel 845 | <!--Chipset-->865P | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{No|intel 800}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 AD1985}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB1.1 and USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|e1000}} | <!--Opinion-->Tested ICAROS 1.3 |- | <!--Name-->Intel 845 | <!--Chipset-->865GC | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{No|intel 865 Extreme Graphics 2}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 AD1985}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB1.1 and USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|e1000}} | <!--Opinion-->Tested ICAROS 1.3 |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA775 s775 (2005/8)===== an industry standard DDR2 module could in theory contain fallback JEDEC, intel XMP and AMD EPP configuration data Intel PC CL5 ram modules but an "AMD" CL5 ram module the BIOS cannot read the AMD EPP info on the SPD (Serial Presence Detect) but can recognize the CL5 timing info in the JEDEC data table. PC BIOS auto configures for the AMD ram module and boots normally. an AMD PC CL6 ram modules but an "INTEL" CL6 ram module the BIOS cannot read the INTEL XMP info on the SPD but can recognize the CL6 timing info in JEDEC data table. PC BIOS auto configures for the AMD ram module and boots normally. an INTEL PC needs CL6 ram modules but have an "AMD" CL4 ram module. INTEL BIOS cannot read the AMD EPP info on the SPD but can recognize the CL4 timing info in JEDEC data table. PC BIOS recognizes module timings as incompatible an refuses to boot. entirely separate issue if the RAM module timing specs are incompatible.(i.e. CL4 RAM in a "CL6 only" PC) {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Abit AG8 | <!--Chipset-->P915 + ICH6R | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 ports SATA1 | <!--Gfx-->1 PCIe x16 Slot | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC658 AC97 | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8110S-32 | <!--Opinion-->2004 32bit - Firewire TI 4200R7T no |- | <!--Name-->MSI 915 Neo2 | <!--Chipset-->P915 + ICH6R | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 ports SATA1 | <!--Gfx-->1 PCIe x16 Slot | <!--Audio-->CMI 9880L HD Audio | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcomm BCM5751 PCIe}} | <!--Opinion-->Firewire VIA VT6306 no |- |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5GC P5GC-MX | <!--Chipset-->P945GC Lakeport-GC + ICH7R northbridge | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 SATA1 3.0 Gbit/s ports | <!--Gfx-->1 PCIe 1.1 slot | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC662 codec | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 usb2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|atheros L2}} | <!--Opinion-->2005 32bit - 3 pci slots - 4 x 240-pin DIMM Sockets max. 4GB DDR2 667/533 non-ECC - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Foxconn PC45CM-SA 45CM-S | <!--Chipset-->945GC with ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 sata2 ports | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|pcie 1.0 slot with gma950 integrated}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with aLC883 codec playback}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|realtek 8139 8100sc}} | <!--Opinion-->2 dimm slots 667mhz max 4gb - can be found in Advent desktops - 2 pci-e and 2 pci - core 2 duo only e6xxx - Micro ATX (9.6” x 8.8”) - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-81945GM MFY-RH | <!--Chipset-->Intel® 945GM Express with ICH7M-DH | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA950 VGA15 and PCI-e 1.0 slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with ALC880 codec playback only rear port}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|4 usb 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel PRO1000PL 82573L Gigabit Ethernet}} | <!--Opinion-->2006 MoDT term “Mobile on DeskTop.”, low TDP CPUs to work on desktop form-factor motherboards. mATX Micro ATX 24.4cm x 24.4cm - 2 DDR2 dimm 1.8v slots with 4Gb max - will not boot if PCI2 slot occupied - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-945 GCM S2C | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC662 (1.x)}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|8101E Rtl 8169 (1.x)}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA945-GCM S2L | <!--Chipset-->945GC with ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 SATA1 ports | <!--Gfx-->PCi-E slot | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel HD Audio with ALC662 codec 2/4/5.1-channel (1.x)}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|4 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8111c 8169 (1.x)}} | <!--Opinion-->2 x 1.8V DDR2 DIMM 4GB DDR2 memory max - 2 PCI-e and 2 PCI - Micro ATX form factor; 24.4cm x 19.3cm - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI 945P Neo-F rev 1.0 | <!--Chipset-->P945 + ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 SATA1 ports | <!--Gfx-->PCie 1.0 slot | <!--Audio-->ALC662 HDA | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->8110SC (rtl8169) | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI 945P Neo2-F rev 1.2 | <!--Chipset-->P945 + ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 SATA1 ports | <!--Gfx-->PCie 1.0 slot | <!--Audio-->ALC850 AC97 | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->8110SC (rtl8169) | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-P31-DS3L | <!--Chipset-->P31 with ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCI Express x16 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC888 codec | <!--USB-->4 USB 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111B | <!--Opinion-->DDR2 800Mhz up to 4Gb 4 x 240 pin - 3 PCI - ATX 12.0" x 8.3" - |- |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5KPL-AM /PS | <!--Chipset-->G31 with ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->4 xSATA 3 Gbit/s ports | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 1.1 with integrated Intel® GMA 3100 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with VIA VT1708B with ALC662 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8102EL 100/10 LAN with Realtek RTL8111C Gigabit LAN | <!--Opinion-->2 x 2 GB DDR2 Non-ECC,Un-buffered DIMMs with 2 PCI - Intel Graphics Media Accelerator - |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5KPL/EPU | <!--Chipset-->G31 with ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Pci-e 1.0 slot | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with ALC887 codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL8169 Realtek 8111C}} | <!--Opinion-->Tested - 4 240-pin DIMM, Max. 4 GB - 4 pci-e and 3 pci - ATX Form Factor 12 inch x 8.2 inch ( 30.5 cm x 20.8 cm ) - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-G31M ES2L | <!--Chipset-->G31 plus ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 3100 2d}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ALC883 (1.x), ALC883/888B (2.x)}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|RTL8111C (1.x), Atheros 8131 (2.x)}} | <!--Opinion-->reduces DRAM capacity to 4GB |- | <!--Name-->ASRock G31M-S r1.0 G31M-GS | <!--Chipset-->G31 + ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|4 sata2}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|GMA 3100 2d not 3d}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC662}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|4 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{partial|rtl8169 RTL8111DL 8169 (for -GS) RTL8102EL (for -S)}} | <!--Opinion-->2007 64bit Core2 - 2 DDR2 800 max 8Gig AMI bios MicroATX - |- | <!--Name-->ASRock G31M-S r2.0 | <!--Chipset-->G31 + ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|4 sata2}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|GMA 3100 2d not 3d}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC662}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|4 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL 8111DL 8169}} | <!--Opinion-->2008 64bit core2 - 2 DDR2 800 max 8Gig MicroATX |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.intel.com/cd/channel/reseller/apac/eng/products/desktop/bdb/dg31pr/feature/index.htm Intel DG31PR] | <!--Chipset-->iG31 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|3100 but can use PCIe 1.1 slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC888 playback}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8111B Rtl 8169}} | <!--Opinion-->good support |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Intel G33 Express Chipset with ich9 southbridge | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Intel 3100 powervr tile based | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2008 64bit - embedded on Core 2 Quad, Core 2 Duo, Pentium Dual-Core CPUS with Integrated GPU Intel GMA 3100 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASUS P5G41T-M LX | <!--Chipset-->G41 + ICH8 + DDR3 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|X4500 some 2d only)}} | <!--Audio-->ALC887 | <!--USB-->3 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Atheros L1c AR8131}} | <!--Opinion-->reduces maximum supported memory ddr3 from 16 to 8GB 2 dimm slots non-EEC - demotes the PCIe controller mode from revision 2.0 (5.0GT/s) to revision 1.1 (2.5GT/s |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-G41MT S2 | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->VT1708S (1.3), ALC887-VD2 (1.4), ALC887 (2.1), | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Atheros AR8151 l1c (1.x 2.x), | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-G41MT S2PT | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC887 (1.0), VIA (2.0), ALC887 (2.1) | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8111E (1.x), Atheros AR8151 l1c (2.1), | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-G41MT D3 | <!--Chipset-->G41 + ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 Port | <!--SATA-->4 Ports | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|GMA X4500 2d only and pci-e 1.1 slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC888B}} | <!--USB-->4 ports + headers | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8111 D/E}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-P41T D3P | <!--Chipset-->G41 + ICH7 with Intel Core 2 Duo (E6xxx) CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4ports | <!--Gfx-->GMA X4500 2d | <!--Audio-->ALC888 889/892 | <!--USB-->4 ports | <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8111C or D/E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Intel DG41AN Classic | <!--Chipset-->iG41 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 ports | <!--Gfx-->X4500 2d | <!--Audio-->ALC888S ALC888VC | <!--USB-->4 ports | <!--Ethernet-->8111E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->AsRock P5B-DE | <!--Chipset-->P965 + ICH8 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|works ide legacy}} |<!--Gfx-->{{Yes|with PCI-E 1.1 slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio via VT1708S}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL8169}} | <!--Opinion-->2006 works well |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5B SE | <!--Chipset-->965 intel | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{N/A}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio ALC662 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion-->works well except ethernet |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5W DH Deluxe P5WDG2 WS PRO | <!--Chipset-->975X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->2 ports | <!--Gfx-->2 PCIe x16 slots | <!--Audio-->ALC882 AND LATER ADI 1988B | <!--USB-->2 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8052 88E8053}} | <!--Opinion-->Firewire TI TSB43AB22A no |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Abit IP35 | <!--Chipset-->P35 Express + ICH9R | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 ports | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC888 HDA | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->two RTL8110SC | <!--Opinion-->Firewire Texas TSB43 AB22A no |- | <!--Name-->MSI P35 Neo F FL MS-7630 rev 1 | <!--Chipset-->Intel P35 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 1.1 support | <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC888 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Opinion-->Base model of this range of P35 mobos |- | <!--Name-->GA-P35-DS3 | <!--Chipset-->P35 and ICH9 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 ports | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC889A codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8111B | <!--Opinion-->2008 - 4 x 1.8V DDR2 DIMM sockets max 8 GB - |- | <!--Name-->GA-EP35-DS3 (rev. 2.1) | <!--Chipset-->Intel® P35 + ICH9 Chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{unk|}} | <!--SATA-->{{unk|4 }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{unk|Realtek ALC889A codec }} | <!--USB-->{{yes | }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8111B}} | <!--Opinion-->good |- | <!--Name-->Abit IX38 Quad GT | <!--Chipset-->X38 / ICH9R Chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 ports | <!--Gfx-->PCI-E 2.0 slot | <!--Audio--> HD Audio ALC888 | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL 8110SC 8169SC | <!--Opinion-->Firewire Texas TSB 43AB22A no |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte X38-DQ6 | <!--Chipset-->X38 / ICH9R Chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 ports | <!--Gfx-->PCI-E 2.0 slot | <!--Audio-->ALC889A HDA | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->twin 8111B 8169 | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-EP45 DS3 (2008) | <!--Chipset-->P45 + ICH9 or ICH10 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 x SATA 3Gbit/s (SATAII0, SATAII1, SATAII2, SATAII3, SATAII4, SATAII5) | <!--Gfx-->two PCI-E v2.0 x16 slots support splitting its 16 PCIe 2.0 lanes across two cards at x8 transfers | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC888 or ALC889A codec | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->2 x Realtek 8111C chips (10/100 /1000 Mbit) | <!--Opinion-->4 x 1.8V DDR2 DIMM sockets non-EEC |- | <!--Name-->MSI P45 Platinum (2008) | <!--Chipset-->P45 + ICH9 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 sata2 ports | <!--Gfx-->two PCI-E x16 v2.0 slots | <!--Audio-->ALC888 HD Audio | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->G45 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->adds Intel’s GMA X4500HD graphics engine to P45 Express features | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->G43 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->GMA X4500 2d | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->removes HD video acceleration from the G45’s features |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5E Deluxe | <!--Chipset--> X48 with ICH9 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ADI 1988B codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Marvell 88E8001 | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->GigaByte GA-X48 DQ6 | <!--Chipset-->X48 plus ICH9R | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->8 ports | <!--Gfx-->two PCI-E x16 v2.0 slots | <!--Audio-->ALC889A | <!--USB-->8 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8111B 8169 | <!--Opinion-->Firewire TSB43AB23 no - ICH9 pairs with Intel’s 3-series (X38, P35, etc.) chipsets, in addition to the X48 Express, but excluding the G35 Express |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte EP43-DS3L and Gigabyte GA-EP43-UD3L | <!--Chipset-->P43 with ICH10 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 x SATA 3Gbit/s connectors | <!--Gfx-->1 x PCI Express x16 slot PCI Express 2.0 standard | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC888 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8111C | <!--Opinion-->4 x 1.8V DDR2 DIMM sockets - 4 pcie x1 - 2 pci - ATX Form Factor; 30.5cm x 21.0cm |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte 73-pvm-s2h rev.1.0 | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA GeForce 7100 nForce 630i | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes|1 port}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|3 ports SATA2}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d GeForce 7100 (vga /hdmi/dvi), 1 PCIe x16 Slot }} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Realtek ALC889A MCP73}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|7 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|RTL 8211B MCP73}} | <!--Opinion-->Firewire Not, tested with Icaros Desktop 2.0.3 MCP73 is a single chip solution in three different versions |- | <!--Name-->Nvidia 7150 630i | <!--Chipset-->intel based nForce 630i (MCP73) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|ide legacy}} | <!--GFX-->GF 7150 | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD AUDIO ALC883}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|ohci echi}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|RTL8201C}} | <!--Opinion-->being tested |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 2.0 x16 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> the MCP73PV or the GeForce 7050/nForce 630i |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->the MCP73S or the GeForce7025/nForce 630i |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->the MCP73V or the GeForce 7025/nForce 610i |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Atom SOC (2008/2x)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->D945CLF | <!--Chipset-->N230 single core | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|GMA945}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC662}} Skt 441 | <!--USB-->{{yes|uhci and ehci}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169}} | <!--Opinion-->works very well |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.clusteruk.com iMica D945GCKF2 mobo] | <!--Chipset-->Intel Atom N330 Dual Core | <!--ACPI-->wip | <!--IDE-->{{yes|IDE}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|gma}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD AUDIO}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|uhci ehci}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->D945GSEJT + Morex T1610 | <!--Chipset-->Atom 230 with 945GSE | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|GMA900 vga but issues with DVI output}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio with ALC662 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8169 8111DL}} | <!--Opinion-->small size, runs off 12V |- | <!--Name-->ASUS AT3N7A-I | <!--Chipset-->Atom N330 Nvidia ION | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|3 ports legacy IDE}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|nouveau cube cube 2 45 quake 3 }} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio with VIA 1708S codec playback}} | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8169 device}} | <!--Opinion--><ref>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAiJpvu73iw</ref> good but can freeze randomly at times |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->D410PT 45nm pinetrail | <!--Chipset-->D410 and NM10 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|ide legacy}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|GMA3150}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC262 or ALC66x odd clicks}} | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8111DL}} | <!--Opinion-->some support |- | <!--Name-->45nm pinetrail | <!--Chipset-->D510 and NM10 + GMA3150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->GMA3150 | <!--Audio-->ALC888B or ALC66x | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8111DL | <!--Opinion-->some support |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-D525TUD (rev. 1.0 1.2 1.5) | <!--Chipset-->D525 NM10 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->gma 3150 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC887 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111f | <!--Opinion-->2012 64 - 2 ddr3 dimm slots max 8g - Mini-ITX Form Factor; 17.0cm x 17.0cm - |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- |} =====Socket 1366 (2009/10)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus P6T DELUXE | <!--Chipset-->x58 + ICH10 and Intel 1st gen. (Nehalem/Lynnfield) Core i7 (8xx) CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|1 port}} | <!--SATA-->4 ports | <!--Gfx-->2 PCIe x16 (r2.0) slots | <!--Audio-->ADI AD2000B HD Audio | <!--USB-->{{yes|4 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Marvell 88E8056 Gigabit}} | <!--Opinion-->Firewire VIA VT6308 no |- | <!--Name-->gigabyte ex58 ds | <!--Chipset--> x58 + ICH10 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111D rtl8169 | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket 1156 (2010)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire M3910 | <!--Chipset-->i3 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{unk| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA intel HD}} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek ALC}} | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk| Realtek}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H55M-S2H | <!--Chipset-->H55 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe slot | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|ALCxxx playback}} ALC888B (Rev1.x) | <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL8111D}} (Rev 1.x) | <!--Opinion-->Tested but no support for WLAN Realtek 8188su |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI H55M-E33 v1.0 | <!--Chipset-->E7636 M7636 H55 chipset so older i3/i5/i7 system | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio ALC889}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|PCI-E Realtek 8111DL}} | <!--Opinion-->Works well |- | <!--Name-->Asus P7P55D | <!--Chipset-->P55 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{unk| }} | <!--SATA-->{{unk| }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{maybe | via codec}} | <!--USB-->{{unk| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe |rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111B/C RTL8112L }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA 1155 H2 (2010/13)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS P8H61-I LX R2.0 | <!--Chipset-->H61 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata | <!--Gfx-->1 pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio via7018s codec}} | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 8111f}} | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit up to intel ivybridge cpus - 2 ddr3 dimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->Asus P8H61-I/RM/SI mini-itx | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 2 | <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio via7018s codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 8111f}} | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit up to i3-2010 - OEM board from an RM machine but not ivybridge as the Asus BIOS isn't compatible with these, 0909 hacked one might work - |- | <!--Name-->asus p8h61-i lx r2.0/rm/si mini itx | <!--Chipset-->h61 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 2.0 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with VIA codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111e | <!--Opinion-->2012 sandy and ivy - oem from rm machine 2 x 240-Pin DDR3 DIMM sockets max DDR3 1333MHz - |- | <!--Name-->‎Bewinner 63q9c7omvs V301 ITX | <!--Chipset-->H61 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata with nvme | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 4 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Realtek 8106E 100M Network Card}} | <!--Opinion-->2022 64 |- | <!--Name-->Biostar H61 H61MHV2 H61MHV3 Ver. 7.0 | <!--Chipset-->H61 with Intel Pentium G 2xxx series CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC662 later ALC897 | <!--USB-->4 usb2 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H | <!--Opinion-->2014 - 2 ddr3 dimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H61M-D2-B3 | <!--Chipset-->H61 + Sandybridge | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 ports sata2 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC889 | <!--USB-->2 ports | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8111E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H61MA-D3V | <!--Chipset-->H61 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 ports sata2 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Maybe HDAudio with Realtek ALC887 (Rev 2.0) ALC887 (Rev2.1) | <!--USB-->2 USB 2.0/1.1 ports | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8111E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H61N-D2V | <!--Chipset-->H61 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata2 and maybe 4 sata3 | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 2.0 slot wit 1 x DVI-I port | <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek ALC887 (Rev 1.0)}} | <!--USB-->2 USB 2.0/1.1 ports | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8111E | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit- 2 x 1.5V DDR3 DIMM sockets up to 16 GB - |- | <!--Name-->GA-H61M-S2PV | <!--Chipset-->H61 with 2400k 2500k 2600k 2700k | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 2.0 slot | <!--Audio-->ALC887 (rev 1.0 2.0 2.1 2.2 2.3) | <!--USB-->4 USB 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Rtl8111E (1.0), 8151 (2.0) no, Rtl8111F (2.1 2.2 2.3) | <!--Opinion-->Micro ATX Form Factor; 24.4cm x 20cm with 2 pci-e and 2 pci - |- | <!--Name-->Intel Classic Series DH61CR Desktop | <!--Chipset-->H61 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 ports | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC892 | <!--USB-->4 ports | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82579V}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI H61M-P20 (G3) MS-7788 *retail MSI board *OEM Advent, etc | <!--Chipset-->H61 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|four SATAII ports}} | <!--Gfx-->1 PCI Express gen3 (retail) gen2 (oem) x16 slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio ALC887 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek 8105E 100M Network Card}} | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit - 2 ddr3 slots - 22.6cm(L) x 17.3cm(W) M-ATX Form Factor - BIOS - [https://www.arosworld.org/infusions/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=1149&rowstart=140&pid=6009#post_6007 works well], |- | <!--Name-->MSI H61I-E35 (B3) MS-7677 Ver.1.2 | <!--Chipset-->H61 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata2 3gbps | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2d for hdmi and 1 pcie 2.0 x1 slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|https://www.arosworld.org/infusions/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=1149&rowstart=140&pid=5861#post_5861 works}} | <!--USB-->USB3 and USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 rtl8111e}} | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit - 2 ddr3 slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus P8H67-M | <!--Chipset-->H67 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata3 - 4 sata2 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC887 | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® 8111E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus P8P67 | <!--Chipset-->P67 with sandybridge and ivybridge cpus | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with ALC codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|rtl8169 realtek rtl8111}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus P8Z68-V LX | <!--Chipset-->Z68 + Intel 2nd generation (Sandy Bridge) CPU and possibly ivybridge | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|2 sata3 - 4 sata2}} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio Intel HD with ALC887 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 USB3.0 - 4 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek® 8111E}} | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit SSE 4.1 and AVX - EFI bios - 4 ddr3 dimm slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte Z68AP-D3 (B3) | <!--Chipset-->Z68 + Ivybridge | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata3 - 4 sata2 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC889 | <!--USB-->2 USB3.0 - 4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® 8111E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus B75M-A | <!--Chipset-->B75 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HDAudio with Realtek ® ALC887-VD codec}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek ® 8111F-VB-CG }} | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit - 2 ddr3 slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->H77 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H77-D3H 1.0 1.1 | <!--Chipset-->H77 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata 3.0 | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio VIA VT2021 codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros GbE LAN chip}} | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit i5 3550 7 3770 - 4 DDR3 slots - 2 full pci-e 2 pci slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA Z77 D3H with i3 3225 dual | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio VIA VT2021 codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros GbE LAN chip}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA 1150 H3 (2013/2016)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->[https://theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/asus-b85m-e-rev-1-02 Asus B85M-E] | <!--Chipset-->B85 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HDAudio with Realtek ® ALC887-VD2 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8111F}} | <!--Opinion-->2014 64bit - 4 ddr3 slots - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H87N-WIFI mITX | <!--Chipset-->H87 and Intel 4th generation (Haswell) Core i5 (4xxx) CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC892 | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel Atheros}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS H81I-PLUS Mini ITX | <!--Chipset-->H81 with intel 4590t 4690t | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata3 6gbps | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 3.0 x4 slot and with HD4400 HDMI vga mode works but other grub options no display just black screen - analogue DVI and vga untested | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio 6.34 with ALC8878 codec playback only}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|USB3 and USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 rtl8111g}} | <!--Opinion-->2014 64bit - 2 ddr3 dimm slots max 16gb - f2 or DEL bios and f8 boot select - does not like unconnected gfx card in pci-e slot - deadwood 2026-09 DO3 build - |- | <!--Name-->Asus H81M-C H81M-P-SI | <!--Chipset-->H81 with 4th generation (Haswell) Core i7 (4xxx) CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|2x3g 2x6g}} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->hdaudio alc887 vd | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8111gr | <!--Opinion-->2013 skt 1150 - 2 ddr3 max 16g - mini atx - |- | <!--Name-->Asus H81T | <!--Chipset-->H81 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata | <!--Gfx-->HD4000 igpu only | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC887-VD | <!--USB-->Intel USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 realtek 8111G | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit intel 4th gen mini itx - external dc brick with 19v rare barrel pin 7.4MM x 5.0MM - 2 ddr3 laptop sodimm slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H81M-S2V | <!--Chipset-->H81 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC887 | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® GbE LAN chip | <!--Opinion-->2014 64bit up to i7 4790K - 2 DDR3 slots - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H81M-D3V (rev. 1.0) | <!--Chipset-->H81 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|2 sata2 2 sata3 }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{unk| HDAudio Realtek® ALC887 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{unk|intel and VIA® VL805}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|rtl8169 Realtek }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI H81M-E34 (MS-7817) | <!--Chipset-->H81 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 2.0 x16 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC887 codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 RTL8111G}} | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus Z87-K | <!--Chipset-->Z87 with 4th generation (Haswell) Core i7 4c8t i5 4c4t CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek lan | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-Z87X-UD3H | <!--Chipset-->Z87 Express | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with Realtek® ALC898 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|intel}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA H97M D3H r1.0 r1.1 with i3 4360 or 4370 dual | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek lan | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus Z97 A with i7 4790K | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e slot for GTX 750, 960, 970 and 980 | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|intel lan ethernet}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA Z97X UD3H rev1.0 1.1 1.2 | <!--Chipset-->Z97 with i5 4690K | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with ALC1150 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|intel lan}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI GAMING 5 Z97 | <!--Chipset-->Z97 with 4th generation (Haswell) Core i7 4c8t CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS Q87M-E | <!--Chipset-->Q87 lynx point | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->ALC887VD codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|intel}} | <!--Opinion-->2014 64bit - 4 DDR3 slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->H99 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA2011V2 s2011-2 (2012/15)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x79 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2013 Xeon e5-???? W TDP, e5-2667V2 W TDP, e5-????V2 W TDP, Sandybridge and Ivybridge V2 |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset-->X79 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA2011V3 s2011-3 (2015/18)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x99 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2016 Xeon e5-1620v3 130W TDP, e5-1650V3 (i7-5930K) 140W TDP, e5-2640V3 90W TDP, Haswell-EP |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset-->X99 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->most cheap Ryzens are better nowadays |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Huananzhi X99-CD4 | <!--Chipset-->Intel C612 and X99 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata 3 connectors and 1 m.2 nvme slot | <!--Gfx-->pcie slot | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with ALC897 codec | <!--USB-->{{No|USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} | <!--Opinion-->2024 quality might not be great outside of a simple setup - 2 ddr4 dimms - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Keyiyou X99 XD4 | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Machinist MR9A Pro | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2023 |- | <!--Name-->Machinist MR9A Pro | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2023 |- | <!--Name-->Mogul | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Qiyida X99 H9S | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2023 |- | <!--Name-->Soyo | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA 1151 Socket H4 (2015/2018)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->Skylake CPUs have TPM 2.0 embedded |- | <!--Name-->Asus H110 Plus H110M-A/DP | <!--Chipset--> with 6th Gen Core and 7th with bios update | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->Sunrise Point-H SATA [AHCI mode] [8086 a102] | <!--Gfx-->{{No|Skylake Integrated HD Graphics use PIC-E slot}} | <!--Audio-->Intel HD Audio with Realtek ALC887 Audio CODEC | <!--USB-->Sunrise Point-H USB 3.0 xHCI [8086: a12f] no usb2.0 fallback | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8111GR or 8111H RTL8111 8168 8411}} | <!--Opinion-->ATX with 3 pci-e and 2 DDR4 slots - uatx version smaller - turn off TLSF as it was causing AHI driver to corrupt. Turned off ACPI for errors but works fine once booted - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS H110M-R M-ATX | <!--Chipset-->H110 6th Gen Skylake Core™ i7 Core™ 6950X i7-6970HQ i7-6700K 4c8t hyperthreading, i5/Core™ i5-6600K 4c4t i3/Pentium® / Celeron® | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 x SATA 6Gb/s | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek® ALC887 codec | <!--USB-->Intel USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® RTL8111H | <!--Opinion-->2016 64bit - 2 DDR4 DIMMS Max 32GB 2133MHz - 1 full pci-e and 2 pci-e 1 - |- | <!--Name-->Asus H110T | <!--Chipset-->H110 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata | <!--Gfx-->intel igpu only | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Dual Intel/Realtek GbE languard | <!--Opinion-->2016 - mini itx 12v / 19v laptop type rare barrel pin 7.4MM x 5.0MM - 2 sodimm ddr4 slots - no pci-e slot - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H110M-S2H MATX Rev1.0 | <!--Chipset-->H110 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 3.0 | <!--Audio-->Realtek® ALC887 codec | <!--USB-->2 (USB 3.1 Gen 1) ports with 4 us2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® GbE LAN | <!--Opinion--> 2 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte ga-h110n | <!--Chipset-->H110 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes| sata}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2d for Intel or PCI-e slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HDaudio for ALC887 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8169}} | <!--Opinion-->2016 mini-itx 6th gen |- | <!--Name-->Msi H110M-PRO-VH | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 x SATA 6Gb/s | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 3.0 | <!--Audio--> Realtek® ALC887 Codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111h | <!--Opinion--> 6th gen intel - 2 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus H170 Pro Gaming | <!--Chipset-->H170 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->Asmedia USB3.1/3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|intel lan}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI Z170A TOMAHAWK | <!--Chipset-->Z170 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sara, 1 x 2280 Key M(PCIe Gen3 x4/SATA), 1 x 2230 Key E(Wi-Fi) | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|intel lan}} | <!--Opinion-->2016 64bit up to i7 7700k - 2 DDR4 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->GIGABYTE GA-B250M-DS3H HD3P D3H D2V | <!--Chipset-->B250 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2018 coffee lake intel 8th gen |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset--> with Kaby Lake X Intel 7th Gen | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> up to 16 pcie lanes |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset--> Z390 with Kaby Lake X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> up to 16 pcie lanes |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> Q370M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> H370M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> B360M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus Rampage | <!--Chipset-->x299 with i9 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> - up to 24 to 44 pcie lanes |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte | <!--Chipset-->X299 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} =====Socket LGA 1200 (2020/2022)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->MSI H510M-A PRO (MS-7D22) | <!--Chipset--> with 10th gen Comet Lake X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2021 64bit - up to 16 pcie lanes rebar possible |- | <!--Name-->Asus PRIME H410M-E Asrock H470M-HDV/M.2 | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset--> with 11th gen Rocket Lake X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> up to 16 pcie lanes |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} =====Socket LGA 1700 (2023/ )===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Alder Lake / 14th gen Raptor Lake | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2021 2022 64bit - QoS work to 2 level cpus, P down to E cores - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Meteor Lake ultra 5 7 1xxH series 1 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2023 2024 64bit 10nm - 3 level cpus, Low Power Island (SOC tile) to E onto P cores - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> 15th gen Arrow Lake | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Lunar lake ultra 5 7 2xxV series 2 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2025 64bit 7nm - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Nova Lake | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2026 64bit - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Panther Lake | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2026 64bit - either 44, 484, or 448 tiled cores 18A process - core ultra x9 288h, x7 358H, - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA 1954 (2027/ )===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Nova Lake-S | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Serpent Lake, Titan Lake, and Razer Lake | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2027 |- |} =====Socket LGA (203x/203x)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->MSI | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; {{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} ===Chromebooks=== For most (EOL) cromebooks, the recommended UEFI path forward is to: *put the device into Developer Mode *disable firmware write protection *flash MrChromebox's UEFI Full ROM firmware *install ChromeOS Flex, Linux, etc See [https://mrchromebox.tech/#home MrChrome], [https://mrchromebox.tech MrChrome] and the [https://www.reddit.com/r/chrultrabook/ chrultrabook subreddit] for more info ChromeOS has several different boot modes, which are important to understand in the context of modifying your device to run an alternate OS: *Normal/Verified Boot Mode Can only boot Google-signed ChromeOS images Full verification of firmware and OS kernel No root access to the system, no ability to run Linux or boot other OSes Automatically enters Recovery Mode if any step of Verified Boot fails Default / out-of-the-box setting for all ChromeOS devices *Recovery Mode User presented with Recovery Mode boot screen (white screen with 'ChromeOS is missing or damaged') Boots only USB/SD with signed Google recovery image Automatically entered when Verified Boot Mode fails Can be manually invoked: On Chromebooks, via keystroke: [ESC+Refresh+Power] On Chromeboxes, by pressing a physical recovery button at power-on On Convertibles/Tablets, by holding the Power, Vol+, and Vol- buttons for 10s and then release Allows for transition from Verified Boot Mode to Developer Mode On Chromebooks/Chromeboxes, via keystroke: [CTRL+D] On Convertibles/Tablets, via button press: Vol+/Vol- simultaneously Booting recovery media on USB/SD will repartition/reformat internal storage and reload ChromeOS Note: The ChromeOS recovery process does not reset the firmware boot flags (GBB Flags), so if those are changed from the default, they will still need to be reset for factory default post-recovery. *Developer Mode "Jailbreak" mode built-in to every ChromeOS device Loosened security restrictions, allows root/shell access, ability to run Linux via crouton Verified Boot (signature checking) disabled by default, but can be re-enabled Enabled via [CTRL+D] on the Recovery Mode boot screen Boots to the developer mode boot screen (white screen with 'OS verification is off' text), The user can select via keystroke <pre> ChromeOS (in developer mode) on internal storage ( [CTRL+D] ) ChromeOS/ChromiumOS on USB ( [CTRL+U] ) Legacy Boot Mode ( [CTRL+L] ) </pre> Boot screen displays the ChromeOS device/board name in the hardware ID string (eg, PANTHER F5U-C92, which is useful to know in the context of device recovery, firmware support, or in determining what steps are required to install a given alternate OS on the device. *Legacy Boot Mode Unsupported method for booting alternate OSes (Linux, Windows) via the SeaBIOS RW_LEGACY firmware Accessed via [CTRL+L] on the developer mode boot screen Requires explicit enabling in Developer Mode via command line: sudo crossystem dev_boot_legacy=1 Most ChromeOS devices require a RW_LEGACY firmware update first Boots to the (black) SeaBIOS splash screen; if multiple boot devices are available, prompt shows the boot menu Note: If you hear two beeps after pressing [CTRL+L], then either your device doesn't have a valid Legacy Boot Mode / RW_LEGACY firmware installed, or legacy boot capability has not been been enabled via crossystem. https://www.howtogeek.com/278953/how-to-install-windows-on-a-chromebook/ Chromebooks don’t officially support other OSs. You normally can’t even install as Chromebooks ship with a special type of BIOS designed for Chrome OS. But there are ways to install, if you’re willing to get your hands dirty and potentially ruin everything [https://mrchromebox.tech/#devices Firmware Compatibility] [https://wiki.galliumos.org/Hardware_Compatibility Here is the list of hardware that the GalliumOS supports and information on getting Gallium OS on to those devices] Development on GalliumOS has been discontinued, and for most users, GalliumOS is not the best option for running Linux due to lack of hardware support or a kernel that's out of date and lacking important security fixes. Meet Eupnea and Depthboot, the successors to Galliumos and Breath [https://eupnea-linux.github.io This is the bleeding edge] Most older Chromebooks need the write-protect screw removed in order to install MrChromebox's firmware that allows you to install other operating systems. Most newer Chromebooks don't work in the same way as there is no write-protect screw on them. Very rough guide to '''total''' (i.e. all cores / threads) processor performance (AROS usually uses only the [https://gmplib.org/gmpbench one core]) [[#top|...to the top]] <pre> 060000 AMD Ryzen 9 7900X (AM5 170W), 056000 AMD Ryzen 9 5950X, 055000 AMD Ryzen 9 5900X3D, 053000 AMD Ryzen 9 5900X (AM4 105W), AMD Ryzen 9 3950X (105W), 044000 AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D, 042000 AMD Ryzen 9 6900HX, AMD Ryzen 5 5600X3D (AM4 95W), AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 5750GE (AM4 35W), 039000 AMD Ryzen 9 5900HS, Intel Core i7-12700T, AMD Ryzen 7 7735HS (8c16t 45W), AMD 8840U, 038000 AMD Ryzen 7 5800H (FP6 45W), AMD Ryzen 7 6800U, Intel Core i5-12490F, Intel Core i5-12500E, 037000 AMD Ryzen 7 5800HS (FP6 35W), AMD Ryzen 5 8500G 8600GE (AM5 6c12t 35W), AMD Ryzen Z2 (8c16t), 036500 AMD Ryzen 7 5700G (AM4 8c16t 65W), AMD Ryzen 9 6900HS, Intel Core i7-12800H, 036200 AMD Ryzen 7 5700GE (AM4 8c16t 35W), AMD Ryzen Z1 Extreme (top TDP), AMD Ryzen 5 8600G (AM5 65W), 036000 AMD Ryzen 5 3600X (Am4 95W), AMD Ryzen 5 5500 (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 5 5600 (65W), 035000 AMD Ryzen 5 6600H, Intel Core i5-12400F, 031000 AMD Ryzen™ 9 8945HS, Ryzen™ 7 8845HS, AMD Ryzen 7 7840U, 030000 AMD Ryzen 7 4800U, AMD Ryzen 4800H, Intel Core i5-11400F, Intel Zeon E5-2697A V4, 029500 AMD Ryzen 5 4500 (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 5 3600 (65W), Apple M3 Pro 12c, AMD Ryzen 5 5600G, 028500 AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 5675U, AMD Ryzen 7 1700 (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 7 2700 (65W), Ryzen 3 7540U, 028000 AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 5650U, 5 5560U (FP6 25W 6c12t Zen3), Intel Core i5-13500H, AMD Ryzen 7 4800HS, 027700 AMD Ryzen 9 PRO 7940HS (FP8 65W), AMD 8745HS, AMD Ryzen H255 AI, AMD Ryzen 3 7545U, 027500 AMD Ryzen 3 7736U, AMD Ryzen 5 7640U, 027400 AMD Ryzen 5 8540U, AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 5650GE (AM4 6c12t 35W), AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 4650G (AM4 45W), 027300 AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 4750GE, AMD Ryzen 5 5600H, AMD Ryzen 7 5825U (FP6 8c16t 15W), 027200 AMD Ryzen 5 6600U, AMD Ryzen 7 2700X, AMD Ryzen 5 5600GE (AM4 35W), AMD Ryzen Z1, 027100 AMD Ryzen 7 7730U (FP6 15W 8c16t), AMD Ryzen 7 5800U (FP6 25W 8c16t), Ryzen 9 4900H, 027000 AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 4750U (8c16t), Ryzen 5 7430U (FP6 6c12t), Ryzen 5 PRO 6650U, Intel 10500H, 026500 AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 7840HS (FP7 65W), AMD Ryzen 7 8840HS, AMD Ryzen Z2 Extreme, 025000 AMD Ryzen 5 4600HS (FP6 35W 6c12t), Apple M1 Pro, AMD Ryzen 5 5625U (FP6 15W 6c12t), 024500 AMD Ryzen 5 5600U (FP6 25W hot 6c12t Zen3), AMD Ryzen 5 2600 (65W), Ryzen 5 7530U, 024000 AMD Ryzen 5 4600G (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 4650GE (AM4 35W), AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 1700X (AM4 95W), 023700 AMD Ryzen 3 PRO 5350GE (AM4 35W), AMD Ryzen 5 3500X (AM4 95W), Intel Core i7-9700, 023500 AMD Ryzen 5 1600X (95W), AMD Ryzen 3 5300GE (AM4 4c8t 35W), AMD Ryzen 7 5700U (FP6 25W 8c16t Zen2), 023200 AMD Ryzen 3 7330U (FP6 15W 4c8t), AMD Ryzen 7 4700U (FP6 25W 8c8t), AMD Ryzen 5 4400G, 023000 Intel Core i7-1255U, Intel Core i7 13700H, Ryzen 7640HS, 022000 AMD Ryzen Z2 Go (4c8t), AMD Ryzen 5 5500U (FP6 25W 6c12t Zen2), Snapdragon 8 Elite, 020500 AMD Ryzen 3 4300G (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 3 5450U 5425U, AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 4650U (6c12t), 019500 Intel Core i5-1135G7, AMD Ryzen 5 5500H, AMD Ryzen 5 4600U (FP6 25W 6c), AMD Ryzen 5 2600 (65W), 019250 Intel Core i5-1145G7, 019000 AMD Ryzen 5 3400G (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 5 2500X, AMD Ryzen 5 7520U, AMD Ryzen V3C18I (? 15W), 017750 AMD Ryzen 5 3400GE (AM4 35W), Intel Core i5-8400, AMD Ryzen 5 1500X (AM4 65W), Xbox One Series X, 017500 Intel Core i7-6700K, Intel i5-10400, AMD Ryzen 5 4500U (FP6 25W 6c6t), AMD Ryzen 3 5400U, 017000 AMD Ryzen 3 PRO 4350GE (AM4 35W), AMD Ryzen 3 5300U (FP6 25W 4c8t), Intel Core i5-11300H, 016500 AMD Ryzen 7 3750H, AMD Ryzen Embedded V1756B (FP5 45W), AMD Ryzen 3 PRO 4200GE, SD G3 Gen3, 016250 Intel Core i5-1035G7, intel core i5 7600 (4c4t 65W), 016000 AMD Ryzen 5 2400G (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 5 3550H, Ryzen 5 PRO 3350GE (4c 8t), Intel Core i5-8500T, 015500 AMD Ryzen Embedded R2544, Apple A19 Pro, Intel i7-4790K, 015000 AMD Ryzen 3 7320U, Ryzen 7 3700U, Ryzen 3200G (AM4 65W), Intel Core i7-8550U, Intel Core i5-1035G1, 014000 AMD Ryzen 5 2400GE (AM4 35W), Intel Core i7-6700T, AMD Ryzen 5 3550U, 013500 AMD Ryzen 5 3500U (FP5 15W 4c8t), AMD Ryzen 3 4300U, AMD Athlon Gold 4150GE, AMD Ryzen 5 3450U, 013250 AMD Ryzen 3 3200GE (AM4 45W), AMD Ryzen 3 1300X (65W), AMD Ryzen 3 2200G, Xbox One Series S, 013000 AMD Ryzen Embedded V1605B (FP5 25W), AMD Ryzen 2700U, AMD Ryzen R2514, Apple A18, 012500 AMD Ryzen 5 2500U (FP5 25W 4c8t), Intel Core i3-8300T, Intel Xeon X5680, Intel i3-1115G4 (2c4t), 012300 Intel Core i7-8565U, Intel Core i5-8350U, Intel Core i7-8700, Allwinner A733 (2 A76, 6 A55), 012200 ARM Cortex-X3 Prime Snapdragon SD8G2 Gen2 4nm 64-bit Kryo CPU, i5-8250U (4c8t), 012000 AMD Ryzen 3 2200GE, AMD Ryzen 3 1200 (65W), AMD Ryzen 5 3500C, 011500 AMD Ryzen 3 3300U, Intel Core i3-8100T, Intel Core i5-8265U, Intel i5-10210U, CORE i5-10310U, 010500 AMD Ryzen 3 2300U (FP5 25W 4c4t), Allwinner A527 (8 A55), Intel i5 4690K, 010300 Intel Core i7-3630QM, Intel Core i5-6600T, Intel Core i5-4670K, 010200 Intel Core i5-6440HQ, Intel Core i7-3610QM, Snapdragon SD865, 010000 AMD FX-8320E (AM3+ 125W 8c8t), Intel Core i5-7500T, Intel Core i5-4690, Intel i5 4690T, 009000 Spectrum Unisoc Tiger T7280 (T620), Cortex-X2, MediaTek Dimensity 1300 (4 A78, 4 A55), 008700 AMD FX-6130 (AM3+ 90W 6c6t), Intel Core i5-7400T, Intel Core i5-4590T, 008500 Intel Core i5-6500T, AMD Athlon 300GE (AM4, 35W), AMD Athlon Gold 7220U, 008000 AMD Ryzen R1606G (FP5 15W), AMD FX-6300 (AM3 65W 6c6t), Intel Core i5-2500K, 007500 AMD Ryzen 3 3200U, AMD Ryzen 3 3250U, Intel Alderlake ULX N100 / N95, 007200 AMD Ryzen 3 2200U (FP5 25W 2c4t), Intel Core i3-7100T, Intel Twinlakes N150 N200, Xbox(TM) One S, 007100 AMD Ryzen R1505G (FP5, 15W), RK3576 4 A72, 4 A53, Snapdragon XR2 Gen 1, Intel i7-6600U and 7600U, 006600 Qualcomm Snapdragon 888 5G, AMD Athlon 300U (FP5 2c4t 15W), Intel Core i7-7500U, AMD V1202B, 006500 Intel Core i7-6500U, AMD Athlon Gold 3150U, Intel Celeron N5105 (FCBGA1338 15W), SD 685, 006300 Intel Core i3-8130U (15W), Intel Celeron N5095 (FCBGA1338 15W), Intel Core i3-6100T, 006100 Intel Core i5-6300U, Intel Core i5-7200U (2c4t), Intel i7-5500U, Intel Core i7-6600U (2c4t), 006000 Intel Core i5-6200U (2c4t), Intel Core i3-7130U, Intel i7-4500U, Qualcomm Snapdragon 888 4G, 005950 Intel Core i5-4570T, Intel Core i5-5257U, Rockchip RK3588 (4 A76, 4 A55), Snapdragon 7325, 005900 Intel Xeon X5550, Intel Core i5-4300M, MediaTek Dimensity 1200 (4 A78, 4 A55), Unisoc 7255 (T616), 005800 Intel Celeron J4125 J4105 (FCBGA1090 15W), Intel Core i5-3470T, AMD A8-6600K APU, AMD 3015E (2c4t), 005600 Intel Core i5-3360M, Intel Core i7-3520M, Intel Core i5-4210M, Intel Pentium G4600T, 005400 MediaTek Dimensity 900 (2 A78, 6 A55), AMD Athlon Silver 7120U, Snapdragon 860, 005300 AMD PRO A12-9800B 7th Gen APU (FP4 15W), AMD FX-4300 4c4t, AMD Ryzen R1305G, 005250 Intel Core i5-3230M, AMD FX-7600P, Intel Pentium G4400, Unisoc T7200 (Unisoc T606 2 A76, 6 A55), 005200 AMD PRO A10-8770E, AMD A10-9700E, AMD PRO A10-9700B (FP4 15W), Intel Core i3-4130T, BCM2712 Pi5, 005100 AMD RX-427BB (FP3 15W), AMD A10-9620P, AMD A12-9720P, Intel Core i3-8145U, AMD A12-9830B, 005050 AMD A8-5500 (FM2 65W), AMD A10 PRO-7800B APU, Intel Pentium Silver N5000, Intel Core i7-5500U, 005000 Intel Core i5-5300U, Intel Core i5-3320M (2c4t), Intel Core i5-5350U, Unisoc T618 (2 A73 6 A53), 004900 Intel Core i5-4300U, Intel Core i5-5200U, Intel Core i3-4100M, Snapdragon 662 (SM6115), 004860 Intel Core i7-2620M, Intel Core i7-2640M, AMD Athlon Silver 3050U 3050e, Intel i3-7020U, 004650 Intel Core i5-2520M (2c4t), Intel Core i5-3210M, AMD A10-9600P (FP4 4c 15W), Pentium 4415U, 004625 Intel Core i3-7100U (FCBGA1356 15W), ARM A76 RK3588S, AMD A10-6800B APU, 004600 AMD PRO A8-9600B, AMD PRO A12-8830B, AMD PRO A10-8730B, AMD A12-9700P, Intel Core i3-6100U, 004200 AMD A10-8700P A8-8600P, Intel Core i5-4200U, Intel Core i5-2540M, Intel i3-6006U, Intel i3-4150T, 004000 Intel Core i5-2430M, AMD PRO A8-8600B, AMD 3020e, Mediatek MT6797 Helio X20, 003850 Intel Core i5-2410M (2c4t), Intel Core i3-2120 (LGA1155 65W), Mediatek MT8786, 003800 AMD A10-4600M APU, AMD A10 PRO-7350B APU, AMD A10-5750M APU, Rockchip RK3399, 003600 AMD A8-6500T APU, AMD A8-7410 APU, AMD PRO A6-8550B, AMD A8-5550M (4c4t), 003500 AMD GX-424CC SOC (FT3b 25W 4c4t), ARM A75 Unisoc Tiger T610 (Spreadtrum) (8c 5W), intel i5-5250u, 003400 AMD A10-7300 APU, AMD A6-7310 APU, AMD A8-6410, AMD A10-5745M APU, Intel Core i3-4000M, 003350 Intel Pentium G2020, Intel Core i3-3120M (G2 2c4t), AMD R-464L APU, Intel® Core m5-6Y57 (2c4t), 003300 AMD GX-420CA SOC (FT3 BGA769 25W), AMD A6-9500E, Intel Celeron N4200, AMD A6-5200 ( 25W 2c2t), 003200 AMD A6-6310 APU, AMD A6-6400B APU, AMD A6-8570E, AMD A8-4500M APU, AMD A6-7400K APU, 003000 AMD A8-7150B, AMD A9-9410, A9-9420, A9-9425, AMD A6-8500B (FP4 15W), AMD A8-7100, Intel 5010u, 002900 AMD PRO A6-8530B, AMD A6-8500P, AMD A8-3500M APU, Intel Core i3-2120T, Intel i5-4250u, 002700 AMD Embedded GX-420GI (FP4 15W), AMD PRO A6-9500B, AMD GX-415GA, AMD A4-6210 APU, Intel i3-5005U, 002600 AMD A6-9225, AMD A8-4555M APU, AMD A4-5000 APU (FT3 15W), AMD A6-9220, AMD A6-3420M APU, 002450 Intel Celeron 2950M, Intel Pentium N3700, Intel Core i3-2350M, Allwinner A523 (8 A55), BCM2711 Pi4, 002400 Intel Celeron N3150, Intel Core i3-2330M, Intel Xeon W3505, AMD A6-9210, Allwinner H618 (4 A53), 002300 Intel Celeron N3350, AMD A4-9120, AMD A4-9125, Intel Core i3-2310M, Intel Celeron 3865U, 002200 AMD A9-9420e, AMD A6-5350M APU, AMD E2-6110 APU, AMD E2-9000e, Celeron N4500, Intel N3710, 002000 AMD GX-412HC, AMD A4-4300M APU, AMD A6 PRO-7050B APU, AMD A6-4400M APU, AMD A6-7000, 001925 Intel Core2 Duo E6700, Intel Pentium Extreme Edition 965, Intel Core i3-370M, Celeron N4020, 001750 Intel Core i3-2365M 2375M, AMD A4-9120C, Intel Core2 Duo T8300, Qualcomm MSM8939, 001600 AMD GX-222GC (BGA769 FT3b 15W), AMD A4-9120e, AMD Embedded GX-215JJ, AMD A4-4355M APU, 001550 Intel Core2 Duo SL9400 T7600 T6600, AMD E2-3200, AMD A6-9220e, Mediatek MT8783, AMD E2-3800, 001520 Intel Celeron N4000, 001500 AMD GX-218GL SOC, AMD A6-4455M, AMD A4-5150M APU, ARM A55 RK3566 (4c 3W), Intel Core2 Duo T8100, 001400 AMD GX-217GA SOC, ARM Cortex-A53 4c4t H700, AMD A4-3300M APU, Allwinner A133P A64 (4 A53), 001300 AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-64 TL-62, Intel Core2 Duo T7300, Intel Core2 Duo T5600, AMD RX-216TD, 001250 AMD GX-412TC SOC, AMD A4-3320M APU, AMD Athlon 64 X2 QL-66, Intel Core2 Duo T7200, BCM2837 Pi3, 001200 AMD Athlon 64 X2 2c TK-57, AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-60 RM-74, AMD E1-2500, AMD E2-7015, 001150 Intel Core2 Duo T5550, Intel Core2 Duo L7500, AMD E2-3000M APU, ARM A35 RK3266, AMD E2-7110, 001100 Intel Core2 Duo T5300, AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800, Intel Core2 Duo E4300, Mediatek MT8127, 001050 AMD E1-6010 APU, Intel Pentium T4300, Intel Celeron N2840, 001050 AMD Athlon 64 FX-57, AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual-Core TK-55, AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-52 001000 Intel Core2 Duo T5500, Intel Core2 Duo L7300, Intel Core2 Duo SU9400, Intel Celeron 3215U, 000950 AMD G-T56N, AMD Athlon 64 3100+, AMD E2-2000 APU, QorIQ T1042 quad-core, 000950 AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-50, AMD E1-2200 APU, Intel Celeron U3400, 000925 AMD TurionX2 Dual Core Mobile RM-72, AMD Sempron 140 000920 Intel Celeron SU2300, Intel Core2 Duo T5200, AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-56 000890 AMD E2-1800 APU, AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-58 000880 AMD G-T56E, AMD G-T48E, 000860 AMD E-450 APU, AMD E-350 APU, AMD Athlon LE-1620 000820 AMD A4-1250 APU, AMD Athlon LE-1600, 000810 AMD E1-2100 APU, Intel Core Duo T2500, 000810 Intel Atom D510, Intel Core2 Duo U7500, 000800 AMD Geode NX 2400+, AMD Turion 64 Mobile ML-42, AMD Athlon II Neo K325, 000760 AMD V140, AMD E1-1200 APU, AMD Athlon 64 3300+, 000730 Intel Core Duo T2400, AMD Turion 64 Mobile MK-38, AMD Sempron 3600+, 000700 Intel Core2 Duo U7600 U7700, AMD Sempron LE-1200, AMD V120 000680 AMD GX-212JC SOC, AMD E-300 APU, AMD A4-1200 APU, BCM2386 Pi2B, 000670 AMD Turion 64 Mobile MK-36 ML-37 ML-40, Mobile AMD Sempron 3800+ 000640 Intel Atom N2600, Intel Atom N570, Mobile AMD Athlon 64 3200+ 000640 Intel Core Duo T2300, Intel Core Duo T2050, 000630 VIA Eden X2 U4200, AMD Sempron LE-1100, AMD Sempron 3100+ 3600+, 000620 AMD C-70 C70 APU, Intel Atom 330, AMD G-T40N, AMD Athlon Neo MV-40, 000610 Intel Core2 Duo U7300, AMD Athlon II Neo K125 K145, 000600 Intel Atom N550, Intel Pentium 4, AMD Athlon 64 2800+, 000580 AMD C-60 C60, AMD G-T40E, AMD Sempron LE-1250 000530 AMD C-50 C50, Intel Celeron M 723, AMD Sempron 210U, 000490 AMD GX-210JA SOC, PowerPC 970 G5 IBM's 970 server CPU (2c), QorIQ T1022 000470 Mobile AMD Sempron 3500+, Mobile AMD Athlon XP-M 2200+, 000460 AMD Athlon XP 2500+, AMD Sempron 3500+, Mobile Intel Pentium 4, 000440 Intel Atom D425, Intel Atom N470, POWER 4 PPC, 000410 Intel Pentium M, Intel Celeron M, AMD Sempron 2300+ 000400 Intel Atom N450, AMD Sempron 2400+, 000340 Intel Atom D410, AMD G-T52R, AMD C-30, AMD Sempron 2200+ 000330 Intel Atom N455, Intel Atom N280, Intel Atom N270 (1c1t 2W), Intel P3, 000320 Freescale NXP QorIQ P1022 000310 PowerPC G4 7447 1Ghz (1c1t 15W), PPC440 core, 000230 PowerPC PPC G3/PPC 750, 000160 Pentium II, Motorola 68060 000080 Intel 80486, Motorola 68030, 000040 Intel 80386, 000030 Motorola 68020 000008 Motorola 68000 </pre> === Recommended hardware (32-bit) === [[#top|...to the top]] Recommended hardware is hardware that has been tested with latest release of AROS and is relatively easy to purchase second hand (ie. ebay). This hardware also comes with commitment that compatibility will be maintained with each future release. If in future decision will be made to drop any of the recommended hardware from the list (for example due to it no longer being available for purchase), such hardware will move to list of legacy supported systems and will have an indicated end of life date so that users have time to switch to other hardware. {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" | <!--OK-->{{Yes|'''Works well'''}} || <!--Not working-->{{No|'''Does not work'''}} || <!--Not applicable-->{{N/A|'''N/A not applicable'''}} |- |} ==== Virtual Hardware ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | VirtualBox 7.x (Other/Unknown template) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VMWARESVGA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}} || {{Yes|PCNET32<br/>E1000}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || <!--Comments--> |- | VMware 16+ (Other32 template) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VMWARESVGA}} || {{Yes|SB128}} || {{Yes|PCNET32}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || <!--Comments--> |- | QEMU 8.x ("pc" and "q35" machines) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|SB128}} || {{Yes|PCNET32}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || <!--Comments--> |- |} ==== Laptops ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | ACER Aspire One ZG5 || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(IDE)}} || {{Yes|GMA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}} || {{Yes|RTL8169}} || {{Yes|ATHEROS}} || NOT APPLICABLE || <!--Comments--> |- | Dell Latitude D520 || {{Yes|IDE}} || {{Yes|GMA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}} || {{Yes|BCM4400}} || {{No|}} || {{Yes|Atheros AR5BXB63}} || * select Intel Core 2 64-bit version, not Celeron 32-bit version <br/> * replace WiFi card to get wireless working |- |} ==== Desktop Systems ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | Fujitsu Futro S720 || {{Yes|SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}} || {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || * no 2D/3D acceleration<br/> * use USB ports at back |- |} ==== Motherboards ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | ASUS P8Z68V LX || {{Yes|SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|GeForce 8xxx/9xxx}} || * add external PCIe video card for better performance |- | Gigabyte GA-MA770T UD3/UD3P || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|GeForce 8xxx/9xxx}} || * requires external PCIe video card |- | ASUS M2N68-AM SE2 || {{Yes|IDE}} || {{Yes|NVIDIA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|NVNET}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|GeForce 8xxx/9xxx}} || * connecting a disk via SATA connector is not supported at this time <br/> * add external PCIe video card for better performance |- | Gigabyte GA-H55M-S2H || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|GeForce 8xxx/9xxx}} || * add external PCIe video card for better performance |- |} ==== Legacy supported hardware ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="10%" |EOL ! width="35%" |Comments |- | iMica || {{Yes|IDE}} || {{Yes|GMA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || 2026-12-31 || |- | Gigabyte GA-MA770 UD3 || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(IDE)}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|GeForce 8xxx/9xxx}} || 2026-12-31 || * requires external PCIe video card |- |} === Recommended hardware (64-bit) === [[#top|...to the top]] Recommended hardware is hardware that has been tested with latest release of AROS and is relatively easy to purchase second hand (ie. ebay). This hardware also comes with commitment that compatibility will be maintained with each future release. ==== Virtual Hardware ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | VirtualBox 7.x (Other/Unknown (64-bit) template) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VMWARESVGA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}} || {{Yes|PCNET32<br/>E1000}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || * No accelerated 3D support |- | VMware 16+ (Other64 template) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VMWARESVGA}} || {{Yes|SB128}} || {{Yes|E1000}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || * No accelerated 3D support |- | QEMU 8.x ("pc" and "q35" machines) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VMWARESVGA}} || {{Yes|SB128}} || {{Yes|PCNET32}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || * No accelerated 3D support |- |} ==== Motherboards ==== AROS 64-bit will work on most of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGA_1155 LGA 1155] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGA_1150 LGA 1150] boards. It will also work with newer hardware - see complete HCL list above. Boards below are '''certified'''. If you can't get the exact board, try a variant of that board with the same chipset. {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | ASUS P8Z68V LX<br>ASUS P8Z68-M PRO || {{Yes|SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|GeForce GTX 7xx/9xx}} || * add external PCIe video card for better performance |- | ASUS H81M-K || {{Yes|SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} |NOT APPLICABLE|| {{Yes|GeForce GTX 7xx/9xx}} |* add external PCIe video card for better performance |- | Gigabyte GA-H81M-S2V || {{Yes|SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} |NOT APPLICABLE|| {{Yes|GeForce GTX 7xx/9xx}} |* add external PCIe video card for better performance |} ==References== [[#top|...to the top]] {{reflist}} {{BookCat}} 178vfr5atjx6eu6odoowdpfwu68u4fx 0 237399 4671613 4671592 2026-09-21T14:54:22Z Jeff1138 301139 4671613 wikitext text/x-wiki ==Introduction== [[#Graphical Image Editing Art]] [[#Office Application]] [[#Audio]] [[#Misc Application]] [[#Games & Emulation]] [[#Application Guides]] [[#top|...to the top]] [[#top|...to the top]] Most apps can be opened on the Workbench (aka publicscreen pubscreen) which is the default display option but can offer a custom one set to your configurations (aka custom screen mode promotion). These custom ones tend to stack so the possible use of A-M/A-N method of switching between full screens and the ability to pull down screens as well If you are interested in creating or porting new software, see [http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Aros/Developer/Docs here] {| class="wikitable sortable" |- !width:30%;|Internet Applications !width:10%;|AROS(x86) !width:10%;|Commodore-Amiga OS 3.1 (68k) !width:10%;|Hyperion OS4(PPC) !width:10%;|MorphOS(PPC) |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Web Online Browser [], |<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=network/browser Amelinium], Odyssey 2.0, [https://www.arosworld.org/infusions/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=1175&highlight=odyssey&rowstart=100 Odyssey 3.0], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://juen.in/ Amelinium], [https://blog.alb42.de/programs/amifox/ amifox] with [https://github.com/alb42/wrp wrp server], IBrowse*, [https://github.com/zapek/Voyager Voyager], [https://github.com/amigazen/aweb3/ AWeb 3.6 src], [https://github.com/matjam/aweb AWeb Src], [http://aminet.net/package/comm/www/NetSurf-m68k-sources Netsurf], [], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[ Odyssey OWB], [ Timberwolf (Firefox port 2011)], [http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?forum=32&topic_id=32847 OWB-mui], [http://strohmayer.org/owb/ OWB-Reaction], IBrowse*, [http://os4depot.net/index.php?function=showfile&file=network/browser/aweb.lha AWeb], Voyager, [http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=network/browser Netsurf], |<!--MorphOS-->Wayfarer, [http://fabportnawak.free.fr/owb/ Odyssey OWB], [ Netsurf], IBrowse*, AWeb, [], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->YouTube, Dailymotion website downloading videos audio [https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp yt-dlp], [https://clipgrab.org/ clipgrab], |<!--AROS-->[], [https://blog.alb42.de/amitube/ Amitube], |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://blog.alb42.de/amitube/ Amitube], [ smtube], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[https://blog.alb42.de/amitube/ Amitube], getVideo, Tubexx, [https://github.com/walkero-gr/aiostreams aiostreams], |<!--MorphOS-->[ ytsearch], [https://blog.alb42.de/amitube/ Amitube], [http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=5 getVideo], Tubexx |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Old style E-mailing SMTP POP3 IMAP based |<!--AROS-->Emailinium, [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=network/email SimpleMail], [http://sourceforge.net/projects/simplemail/files/ src], [https://github.com/jens-maus/yam YAM] |<!--Amiga OS-->Emailinium, [http://sourceforge.net/projects/simplemail/files/ SimpleMail], [https://github.com/jens-maus/yam YAM] |<!--AmigaOS4-->SimpleMail, YAM, |<!--MorphOS--> SimpleMail, YAM |- |<!--Sub Menu-->IRC, ICB, |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=network/chat WookieChat], [https://sourceforge.net/projects/wookiechat/ Wookiechat src], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=network/chat AiRcOS], Jabberwocky, |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://github.com/charabaruk/WookieChat Wookiechat], AmIRC |<!--AmigaOS4-->Wookiechat |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=5 Wookiechat], [http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=5 AmIRC], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Instant Messaging IM like [https://github.com/BlitterStudio/amidon Hollywood lang based Mastodon client], BlueSky AT protocol, Facebook(TM), Twitter X (TM), Bitlbee IRC Gateway and others |<!--AROS-->[https://github.com/kaffeine1/telegram-amiga telegram-amiga], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=network/chat jabberwocky], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://amitwitter.sourceforge.net/ AmiTwitter], CLIMM, SabreMSN, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/ajabberwocky/ jabberwocky], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://amitwitter.sourceforge.net/ AmiTwitter], SabreMSN, |<!--MorphOS-->[http://amitwitter.sourceforge.net/ AmiTwitter], [http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=5 PolyglotNG], SabreMSN, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Torrents |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=network/p2p ArTorr], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->CTorrent, Transmission |<!--MorphOS-->MLDonkey, Beehive, [http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=5 Transmission], CTorrent, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->FTP |<!--AROS-->[https://github.com/BlitterStudio/dopus5 Dopus5 Magellan], MarranoFTP, [https://aminet.net/package/comm/tcp/wput-0.3.4c.i386-aros wput i386 c src] |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://github.com/BlitterStudio/dopus5 Dopus5 Magellan], [http://aminet.net/package/comm/tcp/AmiFTP AmiFTP], AmiTradeCenter, ncFTP, [https://aminet.net/package/comm/tcp/sana2-tftpclient sana2 tftpclient c src] |<!--AmigaOS4-->[https://github.com/BlitterStudio/dopus5 Dopus5 Magellan], |<!--MorphOS-->[https://github.com/BlitterStudio/dopus5 Dopus5 Magellan], [http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=5 Pftp], [http://aminet.net/package/comm/tcp/AmiFTP-1.935-OS4 AmiFTP], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->WYSIWYG Web Site Editor |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Internet Radio Streaming Audio [http://www.gnu.org/software/gnump3d/ gnump3d], [http://www.icecast.org/ Icecast2] Server (Broadcast) and Client (Listen), [ mpd], [http://darkice.sourceforge.net/ DarkIce], [http://www.dyne.org/software/muse/ Muse], |<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=audio/misc], Mplayer (Icecast Client only), |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://github.com/sandlbn/TuneFinder TuneFinder C Src], [https://github.com/sandlbn/TuneFinderMUI TuneFinderMUI], [http://amigazeux.net/anr/ AmiNetRadio], [https://github.com/boingball/MintAMP MintAMP], [], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.tunenet.co.uk/ Tunenet], |<!--MorphOS-->Mplayer, AmiNetRadio, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->VoIP (Voice over IP) with SIP Client (Session Initiation Protocol) or Asterisk IAX2 Clients Softphone (skype like) |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->AmiPhone with Speak Freely, |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Weather Forecast |<!--AROS-->[http://sourceforge.net/projects/zunetools/files/ WeatherBar], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/workbench AWeather], [] |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://amigazeux.net/wetter/ Wetter], [https://github.com/emartisoft/AmiWeatherForecasts AmiWeatherForecasts src], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://os4depot.net/?function=showfile&file=utility/workbench/flipclock.lha FlipClock], |<!--MorphOS-->[http://amigazeux.net/wetter/ Wetter], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Street Road Maps Route Planning GPS Tracking |<!--AROS-->[https://blog.alb42.de/programs/muimapparium/ MuiMapparium] [https://build.alb42.de/ Build of MuiMapp versions], |<!--Amiga OS-->AmiAtlas*, UKRoutePlus*, [http://blog.alb42.de/ AmOSM], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->[http://blog.alb42.de/programs/mapparium/ Mapparium], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Clock and Date setting from the internet (either ntp or websites) [https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/ World Clock], [http://www.time.gov/ NIST], [], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=network/misc ntpsync], [https://archives.arosworld.org/?function=showfile&file=utility/workbench/amitimekeeper.i386-aros.lha amitimekeeper with c src], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->ntpsync, [http://aminet.net/package/util/cdity/AmiTimeKeeper amitimekeeper], [http://aminet.net/comm/misc/netclock netclock], [https://aminet.net/package/comm/net/sntp sntp], [http://aminet.net/package/util/time/ScreenTime ScreenTime], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Newsgroups |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://newscoaster.sourceforge.net/ Newscoaster], [https://github.com/jens-maus/newsrog NewsRog], [ WorldNews], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->RSS |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://github.com/Team-Boingo/AmiRSS AmiRSS src] |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->AI |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://github.com/murinsel/AmigaAI Claude], [https://github.com/geekychris/amiga_mcp AI on host machine], [], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->BBS |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |} <nowiki>*</nowiki> Commercial product. ==Graphical Image Editing Art== {| class="wikitable sortable" |- !width:30%;|Image Editing !width:10%;|AROS(x86) !width:10%;|Commodore-Amiga OS 3.1(68k) !width:10%;|Hyperion OS4(PPC) !width:10%;|MorphOS(PPC) |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Pixel Raster Artwork [https://github.com/LibreSprite/LibreSprite LibreSprite based on GPL aseprite], [https://github.com/abetusk/hsvhero hsvhero], [], |<!--AROS-->[https://sourceforge.net/projects/zunetools/files/ZunePaint/ ZunePaint], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/edit LunaPaint], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/edit GrafX2], [ LodePaint needs OpenGL], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://www.amigaforever.com/classic/download.html PPaint], GrafX2, [https://github.com/grovdata/Amiga_Sources/blob/master/software.md DeluxePaint], [http://www.amiforce.de/perfectpaint/perfectpaint.php PerfectPaint], Zoetrope, Brilliance2*, |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/edit LodePaint], GrafX2, |<!--MorphOS-->Sketch, Pixel*, GrafX2, [http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=3 LunaPaint] |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Image viewing |<!--AROS-->[http://sourceforge.net/projects/zunetools/files/ ZuneView], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/viewer LookHere], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/viewer LoView], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/viewer PicShow] , [http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=31400&forum=32&start=80&viewmode=flat&order=0#583458 Picture Album], |<!--Amiga OS-->PicShow, PicView, Photoalbum, |<!--AmigaOS4-->WarpView, PicShow, flPhoto, Thumbs, [http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=31400&forum=32&start=80&viewmode=flat&order=0#583458 Picture Album], |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=3 ShowGirls], [http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=31400&forum=32&start=80&viewmode=flat&order=0#583458 Picture Album] |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Photography retouching / Image Manipulation like Photoshop(tm) |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/edit RNOEffects], |<!--Amiga OS-->[ Tecsoft Video Paint aka TVPaint], Photogenics*, ArtEffect*, ImageFX*, XiPaint, fxPaint, ImageMasterRT, Opalpaint, |<!--AmigaOS4-->WarpView, flPhoto, [http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/edit Photocrop] |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=3 ShowGirls], ImageFX*, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Manage RAW picture folder galleries like Darktable, RAWtherapy, etc |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Graphic Format Converter - ICC profile support sRGB, Adobe RGB, XYZ and linear RGB |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->GraphicsConverter, ImageStudio, [http://www.coplabs.org/artpro.html ArtPro] |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Thumbnail Generator [], |<!--AROS-->[http://sourceforge.net/projects/zunetools/files/ ZuneView], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/shell Thumbnail Generator] |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Icon Editor |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/iconedit Archives], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/workbench Icon Toolbox], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/iconedit IconEditor] |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->2D Pixel Art Animation |<!--AROS-->Lunapaint |<!--Amiga OS-->PPaint, AnimatED, Scala*, GoldDisk MovieSetter*, Walt Disney's Animation Studio*, ProDAD*, [https://github.com/historicalsource/DeluxePaint DeluxePaint src], Brilliance |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=3 Titler] |- |<!--Sub Menu-->2D SVG based MovieSetter type |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->MovieSetter*, Fantavision* |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Morphing |<!--AROS-->[ GLMorph] |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->2D Cad (qcad->LibreCAD, etc.) |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->Xcad, MaxonCAD |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->3D Cad like FreeCad, BRL-CAD, OpenSCAD, AvoCADo, etc. using dxf, obj (vertices), blend, |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->XCad3d*, DynaCADD*, [https://aminet.net/package/gfx/3d/Cycas178_EN Cycas]*, |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->3D Model Rendering of glft (json) gbl (png jpg), usdz (USD files with materials, textures, and animations), FBX Filmbox is a proprietary Autodesk format, |<!--AROS-->POV-Ray |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://www.discreetfx.com./amigaproducts.html CINEMA 4D]*, POV-Ray, Lightwave3D*, Real3D*, Caligari24*, Reflections/Monzoom*, [https://github.com/privatosan/RayStorm Raystorm src], Tornado 3D, [https://github.com/AlphaPixel/Eric-Graham-1987-Juggler-Raytracer-1.0 Eric-Graham-1987-Juggler-Raytracer-1.0] |<!--AmigaOS4-->Blender, POV-Ray, Yafray |<!--MorphOS-->Blender, POV-Ray, Yafray |- |<!--Sub Menu-->3D Format Converter [], [], |<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/?function=showfile&file=graphics/convert/ 3doc.i386-aros], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=showfile&file=graphics/convert/ivcon.lha IVCon] |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Screen grabbing display |<!--AROS-->[ Screengrabber], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/misc snapit], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=video/record screen recorder], [] |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Grab graphics music from apps [https://github.com/Malvineous/ripper6 ripper6], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |} <nowiki>*</nowiki> Commercial product. [[#top|...to the top]] ==Office Application== {| class="wikitable sortable" |- !width:30%;|Office !width:10%;|AROS (x86) !width:10%;|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiga_software Commodore-Amiga OS 3.1] (68k) !width:10%;|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AmigaOS_4 Hyperion OS4] (PPC) !width:10%;|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MorphOS MorphOS] (PPC) |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Office Suite |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->[ Softwood Final Office], [ Wordworth Office], [ Digita Office], [ The Works!], [ Europress Mini Office], [], [ Papyrus Office Demo], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->[ Papyrus Office], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Word-processing |<!--AROS-->[https://finalwriter.godaddysites.com/ Final Writer 7*], [https://www.arosworld.org/infusions/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=1995&rowstart=20&pid=12668#post_12668 Slovo], [https://github.com/sodero/MUI-Vim/releases MUI-Vim], [https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=office/wordprocessing Cinnamon Writer], [], |<!--AmigaOS-->[ Softwood FinalCopy II*], Haage AmigaWriter*, Digita WordWorth*, Softwood FinalWriter*, Micro-Systems Excellence 3*, Arnor Protext, Rashumon, [ InterWord], [ KindWords], [WordPerfect], [ New Horizons Flow], [ CygnusEd Pro], [ Micro-systems Scribble], |<!--AmigaOS4-->AbiWord, [ CinnamonWriter], |<!--MorphOS-->[ Cinnamon Writer], [http://www.meta-morphos.org/viewtopic.php?topic=1246&forum=53 scriba], [http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/index.php Papyrus Office], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Spreadsheets |<!--AROS-->[https://blog.alb42.de/programs/leu/ Leu], [https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=office/spreadsheet ], |<!--AmigaOS-->[https://aminet.net/package/biz/spread/ignition-src Ignition Src 1.3], [MaxiPlan 500 Plus], [OXXI Plan/IT v2.0 Speadsheet], [ Superplan], [ Creative Developments TurboCalc], [ ProCalc], [ InterSpread], [Digita DGCalc], [ Gold Disk Advantage], [ Micro-systems Analyze!] |<!--AmigaOS4-->Gnumeric, [https://ignition-amiga.sourceforge.net/ Ignition], |<!--MorphOS-->[ ignition], [http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php Papyrus Office], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Presentations |<!--AROS-->[http://www.hollywoood-mal.com/ Hollywood]*, |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://www.hollywoood-mal.com/ Hollywood]*, [https://github.com/evaneykelen/mediapoint-amiga MediaPoint C and asm], PointRider, Scala*, |<!--Amiga OS4-->[http://www.hollywoood-mal.com/ Hollywood]*, PointRider |<!--MorphOS-->[http://www.hollywoood-mal.com/ Hollywood]*, PointRider |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Databases |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=office/database BeeBase], |<!--Amiga OS-->Precision Superbase 4 Pro*, Arnor Prodata*, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/beebase/ BeeBase], Datastore, FinalData*, AmigaBase, Fiasco, Twist2*, [Digita DGBase], [], |<!--AmigaOS4-->BeeBase, SQLite, |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=6 BeeBase], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->PDF Viewing and editing digital signatures |<!--AROS-->[http://sourceforge.net/projects/arospdf/ ArosPDF via splash], [https://github.com/wattoc/AROS-vpdf vpdf wip], |<!--Amiga OS-->APDF |<!--AmigaOS4-->AmiPDF |<!--MorphOS-->APDF, vPDF, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Note Taking markdown support like Obsidian like, joplin, OneNote, EverNotes, xournalpp, etc |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Study and analyse, collect, organize, annotate, cite, and share |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->PIM Personal Information Manager - Day Diary Planner Calendar App |<!--AROS-->[ ], [ ], [ ], |<!--Amiga OS-->Digita Organiser*, On The Ball, Everyday Organiser, [ Contact Manager], |<!--AmigaOS4-->AOrganiser, |<!--MorphOS-->[http://polymere.free.fr/orga_en.html PolyOrga], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Accounting |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=office/misc ETB], LoanCalc, [ ], [ ], [ ], |[ Digita Home Accounts2], Accountant, Small Business Accounts, Account Master, [ Amigabok], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Project Management Research |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->SuperGantt, SuperPlan, |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Desktop |<!--AROS-->Wanderer, Scalos, Workbook, DOpus5, |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->[https://github.com/zapek/Ambient Ambient Src] |- |<!--Sub Menu-->System Wide Search |<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/filetool Finder], [], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->System Wide Dictionary - multilingual [http://sourceforge.net/projects/babiloo/ Babiloo], [http://code.google.com/p/stardict-3/ StarDict], |<!--AROS-->[ ], |<!--AmigaOS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->System wide Thesaurus - multi lingual |<!--AROS-->[ ], |Kuma K-Roget*, |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Sticky Desktop Notes (post it type) |<!--AROS-->[http://aminet.net/package/util/wb/amimemos.i386-aros AmiMemos], [https://aminet.net/package/util/wb/amimemos.src-aros AmiMemos Src], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://aminet.net/package/util/wb/StickIt-2.00 StickIt v2], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->DTP Desktop Publishing |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/edit RNOPublisher], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://pagestream.org/ Pagestream]*, Professional Pro Page*, Saxon Publisher, Pagesetter, PenPal, |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://pagestream.org/ Pagestream]* |<!--MorphOS-->[http://pagestream.org/ Pagestream]* |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Printing |<!--AROS-->Postscript 3 laser printers, [https://github.com/bohunamiga/MintPRINT MintPRINT AirPrint IPP], [ Ghostscript], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://github.com/boingball/MintPRINT MintPRINT IPP], [https://github.com/Andiweli/AmiAirprint AmiAirprint], [http://www.irseesoft.de/tp_what.htm TurboPrint]*, [ GutenPrint], [https://aminet.net/package/comm/tcp/NetPrinter NetPrinter LPR], [], [], |<!--AmigaOS4-->(some native drivers), |<!--MorphOS-->early TurboPrint included, [https://aminet.net/package/comm/tcp/NetPrinter NetPrinter LPR], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Scanning |<!--AROS-->[ SCANdal], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->FxScan*, ScanQuix*, [https://github.com/boingball/MintSCAN MintSCAN], |<!--AmigaOS4-->SCANdal (Sane) |<!--MorphOS-->SCANdal |- |<!--Sub Menu-->OCR |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/convert gOCR] |<!--AmigaOS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos-files.net/categories/office/text Tesseract] |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Text Editing |<!--AROS-->Jano Editor (already installed as Editor), [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=development/edit EdiSyn], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/text/edit Annotate], [https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=development/edit Vim], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/text/edit FrexxEd] [https://github.com/vidarh/FrexxEd src], [ NoWinEd], |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://aminet.net/package/text/edit/TurboText20 TurboText20 ttx], Annotate, MicroGoldED/CubicIDE*, CygnusED*, Protext*, NoWinED, |<!--AmigaOS4-->Notepad, Annotate, CygnusED*, NoWinED, |<!--MorphOS-->MorphOS ED, NoWinED, GoldED/CubicIDE*, CygnusED*, Annotate, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Office Fonts [http://sourceforge.net/projects/fontforge/files/fontforge-source/ Font Designer] |<!--AROS-->[ ], [ ], |<!--Amiga OS-->TypeSmith*, SaxonScript (GetFont Adobe Type 1), |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Drawing Vector |<!--AROS-->[http://sourceforge.net/projects/amifig/ ZuneFIG previously AmiFIG], [https://github.com/serk118/designworks-aros designworks aros 64bit] |<!--Amiga OS-->Drawstudio*, ProVector*, ArtExpression*, Professional Draw*, AmiFIG, MetaView, [https://gitlab.com/amigasourcecodepreservation/designworks Design Works Src], [], |<!--AmigaOS4-->MindSpace, [http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/edit amifig], |<!--MorphOS-->SteamDraw, [http://aminet.net/package/gfx/edit/amifig amiFIG], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->video conferencing (jitsi) |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->source code hosting |<!--AROS-->Gitlab, |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Remote Desktop (server) |<!--AROS-->[http://sourceforge.net/projects/zunetools/files/VNC_Server ArosVNCServer], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://s.guillard.free.fr/AmiVNC/AmiVNC.htm AmiVNC], [http://dspach.free.fr/amiga/avnc/index.html AVNC] |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://s.guillard.free.fr/AmiVNC/AmiVNC.htm AmiVNC] |MorphVNC, vncserver |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Remote Desktop (client) login and connect to another machine |<!--AROS-->[https://sourceforge.net/projects/zunetools/files/VNC_Client/ ArosVNC], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=network/misc rdesktop], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://twinvnc.free.fr/index.php?menu=01&lang=eng TwinVNC], [http://dspach.free.fr/amiga/vva/index.html VVA], [http://www.hd-zone.com/ RDesktop] |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://twinvnc.free.fr/index.php?menu=01&lang=eng TwinVNC], [http://www.hd-zone.com/ RDesktop] |[http://twinvnc.free.fr/index.php?menu=01&lang=eng TwinVNC], [http://www.hd-zone.com/ RDesktop] |- |<!--Sub Menu-->notifications |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->Ranchero |<!--AmigaOS4-->Ringhio |<!--MorphOS-->MagicBeacon |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Biometric facial logins and fingerprint security features |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |} <nowiki>*</nowiki> Commercial product. [[#top|...to the top]] ==Audio== {| class="wikitable sortable" |- !width:30%;|Audio !width:10%;|AROS(x86) !width:10%;|Commodore-Amiga OS 3.1(68k) !width:10%;|Hyperion OS4(PPC) !width:10%;|MorphOS(PPC) |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Playing playback Audio like MP3, [https://github.com/chrg127/gmplayer NSF], [https://github.com/kode54/lazyusf miniusf .usflib] [https://gitlab.com/kode54/psflib with pfslib], [], [], etc |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=video/play Mplayer], [ HarmonyPlayer hp], [http://www.a500.org/downloads/audio/index.xhtml playcdda] CDs, [ WildMidi Player], [https://bszili.morphos.me/ UADE mod player], [], [ RNOTunes], [ mp3Player], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->AmiNetRadio, AmigaAmp, playOGG, [https://codeberg.org/tygre/amimodradio amimodradio] |<!--AmigaOS4-->TuneNet, SimplePlay, AmigaAmp, TKPlayer |AmiNetRadio, Mplayer, Kaya, AmigaAmp |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Editing Audio |<!--AROS-->[ Audio Evolution 4] |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://sourceforge.net/projects/hd-rec/ HD-Rec Src], [http://www.sonicpulse.de/eng/news.html SoundFX], [ Samplitude], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[https://sourceforge.net/projects/hd-rec/ HD-Rec], AmiSoundED, [http://os4depot.net/?function=showfile&file=audio/record/audioevolution4.lha Audio Evolution 4] |[http://www.hd-rec.de/HD-Rec/index.php?site=home HD-Rec], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Editing Tracker Music |<!--AROS-->[https://github.com/hitchhikr/protrekkr Protrekkr], [ Schism Tracker], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=audio/tracker MilkyTracker], [http://www.hivelytracker.com/ HivelyTracker], [ Radium in AROS already], [http://www.a500.org/downloads/development/index.xhtml libMikMod], |<!--Amiga OS-->MilkyTracker, HivelyTracker, DigiBooster, Octamed SoundStudio, [https://github.com/elindstrom/soundtracker soundtracker], |<!--AmigaOS4-->MilkyTracker, HivelyTracker, GoatTracker |MilkyTracker, GoatTracker, DigiBooster, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Editing Music [], [https://github.com/kmatheussen/camd CAMD] and/or staves and musical notes on manuscript [https://github.com/ratchov/midish midish] midi sequencer |<!--AROS-->[http://bnp.hansfaust.de/ Bars and Pipes], [], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://bnp.hansfaust.de/ Bars'n'Pipes], MusicX* David "Talin" Joiner & Craig Weeks (for Notator-X), Deluxe Music Construction Set DMCS2*, [https://github.com/timoinutilis/midi-sequencer-amigaos Horny c Src] [https://github.com/kas1e/midi-sequencer-amigaos/tree/master/HornyGCC HornyGCC OS4 src] [https://github.com/capehill/midi-sequencer-amigaos Horny OS4 fork src] [https://www.amigans.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?start=0&topic_id=8143&order=ASC&status=&mode=0 OS4 thread], HD-Rec, [https://aminet.net/package/mus/midi/dominatorV1_51 Dominator], [https://github.com/royaltm/Amiga-midiIn Amiga-midiIn], [ Aegis Sonix 2.0] |<!--AmigaOS4-->[https://sourceforge.net/p/hd-rec/code/HEAD/tree/ HD-Rec Src], Rockbeat, [http://bnp.hansfaust.de/download.html Bars'n'Pipes], [https://github.com/gooofy/freeaction Horny OS4 src fork], Audio Evolution 4, |<!--MorphOS-->Bars'n'Pipes, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Sound Sampling |<!--AROS-->[ Advanced AHI Recorder all], [https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=audio/record Audio Evolution 4], [http://www.imica.net/SitePortalPage.aspx?siteid=1&did=162 Quick Record], [https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=audio/misc SOX to get AIFF 16bit files], [https://github.com/aros-development-team/AROS/tree/master/workbench/tools/AHIRecord AHIRecord], |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://aminet.net/package/mus/edit/AudioEvolution3_src Audio Evolution 3 c src], [ Samplitude]*, Audiomaster IV*, |<!--AmigaOS4-->[https://github.com/timoinutilis/phonolith-amigaos phonolith c src], HD-Rec, Audio Evolution 4, |<!--MorphOS-->[https://sourceforge.net/p/hd-rec/code/HEAD/tree/ HD-Rec Src], Audio Evolution 4, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Audio Processing like easyeffects so having limiter, compressor, convolver, equalizer and auto volume and many other plugins |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Live Looping or Audio Misc - Groovebox like |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->CD/DVD burn |<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility IsoTools], [https://code.google.com/p/amiga-fryingpan/ FryingPan], |<!--Amiga OS-->FryingPan, [ MakeCD], |<!--AmigaOS4-->FryingPan, AmiDVD, |<!--MorphOS-->[http://www.amiga.org/forums/printthread.php?t=58736 FryingPan], Jalopeano, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->CD/DVD audio rip |<!--AROS-->Lame, [http://www.imica.net/SitePortalPage.aspx?siteid=1&cfid=0&did=167 Quick CDrip], |<!--Amiga OS-->Lame, |<!--AmigaOS4-->Lame, |<!--MorphOS-->Lame, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->MP3 v1 and v2 Tagger |<!--AROS-->id3ren (v1), [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=audio/edit mp3info], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> | |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Audio Convert |<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=audio/misc Sox], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://aminet.net/package/mus/misc/SoundBox SoundBox], [http://aminet.net/package/mus/misc/SoundBoxKey SoundBox Key], [http://aminet.net/package/mus/edit/SampleE SampleE], sox |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->DJ mixing jamming |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://github.com/djh0ffman/PT1210 Hoffman PT1210 DJ tracker], [], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Radio Automation Software [http://www.rivendellaudio.org/ Rivendell], [http://code.campware.org/projects/livesupport/report/3 Campware LiveSupport], [http://www.sourcefabric.org/en/airtime/ SourceFabric AirTime], [http://www.ohloh.net/p/mediabox404 MediaBox404], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Speakers Audio Sonos Mains AC networked wired controlled *2005 ZP100 with ZP80 *2008 Zoneplayer ZP120 (multi-room wireless amp) ZP90 receiver only with CR100 controller, *2009 ZonePlayer S5, *2010 BR100 wireless Bridge (no support), *2011 Play:3 *2013 Bridge (no support), Play:1, *2016 Arc, Play:1, *Beam (Gen 2), Playbar, Ray, Era 100, Era 300, Roam, Move 2, *Sub (Gen 3), Sub Mini, Five, Amp S2 |<!--AROS-->SonosController |<!--Amiga OS-->SonosController |<!--AmigaOS4-->SonosController |<!--MorphOS-->SonosController |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Smart Speakers |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |} <nowiki>*</nowiki> Commercial product. [[#top|...to the top]] ==Video Creativity and Production== {| class="wikitable sortable" |- !width:30%;|Video !width:10%;|AROS(x86) !width:10%;|Commodore-Amiga OS 3.1(68k) !width:10%;|Hyperion OS4(PPC) !width:10%;|MorphOS(PPC) |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Playing Video |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=video/play Mplayer], [ VAMP], [http://www.a500.org/downloads/video/index.xhtml CDXL player], [http://www.a500.org/downloads/video/index.xhtml IffAnimPlay], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->Frogger*, AMP2, MPlayer, RiVA*, MooViD*, |<!--AmigaOS4-->DvPlayer, MPlayer |<!--MorphOS-->MPlayer, Frogger, AMP2, VLC |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Streaming Video and game streaming like OBS studio, Parsec, [https://github.com/lizardbyte/sunshine sunshine], [https://github.com/moonlight-stream/moonlight-qt moonlight], etc |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Playing DVD |<!--AROS-->[http://a-mc.biz/ AMC]*, Mplayer |<!--Amiga OS-->AMP2, Frogger |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://a-mc.biz/ AMC]*, DvPlayer*, AMP2, |<!--MorphOS-->Mplayer |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Screen Recording |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=video/record Screenrecorder], [ ], [ ], [ ], [ ], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->Screenrecorder, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Create Edit Individual Video - Amiga like OSs have no pro NLE |<!--AROS-->[ Mencoder], [ Quick Videos], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/edit AVIbuild], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/misc FrameBuild], FFMPEG, |<!--Amiga OS-->[ MainConcept Mainactor Broadcast*], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_Toaster Video Toaster*] with [https://discreetfx.com/openvideotoaster.html some c src], MacroSystem MovieShop 4.3*, proDAD Adorage*, [ IOSpirit VHI studio]*, [Gold Disk ShowMaker], [], |<!--AmigaOS4-->FFMpeg/GUI |<!--MorphOS-->Blender, Mencoder, FFmpeg |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Subtitle editor |<!--AROS-->[https://aminet.net/package/text/edit/Slarti_Arosx86ABIv0 Slarti_Arosx86ABIv0], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->IP-based video production workflows with High Dynamic Range (HDR), 10-bit color collaborative NDI, |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Blogging like Lemmy or kbin |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->VR face recognition for Vtubers |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->VR chatting Live2D models with Cubism type editor or [https://github.com/AyagamiDev/ayagami ayagami] like with zipped moc3 with model metadata (model3, cdi3) <pre> Model data (cmo3) Basic motions (can3) Background image (png) Set of files for embedding (runtime folder) • Model data (moc3) • Motion data (motion3.json) • Model settings file (model3.json) • Physics settings file (physics3.json) • Display auxiliary file (cdi3.json) </pre> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->VR chatting chatters .VRML models - standardized 3D file format for VR avatars |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->V-tubers V-tubing like Vseeface with Openseeface tracker or Vpuppr (virtual puppet project) for online live 2d / 3d art models rigging rigged LIV |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |} <nowiki>*</nowiki> Commercial product. [[#top|...to the top]] ==Misc Application== {| class="wikitable sortable" |- !width:30%;|Misc Application !width:10%;|AROS(x86) !width:10%;|Commodore-Amiga OS 3.1 (68k) !width:10%;|Hyperion OS4(PPC) !width:10%;|MorphOS(PPC) |- |<!--Sub Menu-->File Management |<!--AROS-->DOpus4, [https://github.com/BlitterStudio/dopus5 DOpus Magellan aka DOpus 5], [ Scalos], [ ], |<!--Amiga OS-->DOpus2, DOpus 4, [https://github.com/BlitterStudio/dopus5 Dopus5 Magellan], ClassAction, FileMaster, [http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=4897 DirWork 2]*, [https://github.com/RudolphRiedel/DiskMaster2 DiskMaster2 src], |<!--AmigaOS4-->DOpus4, [https://github.com/BlitterStudio/dopus5 Dopus5 Magellan], Filer, AmiDisk |<!--MorphOS-->DOpus4, [https://github.com/BlitterStudio/dopus5 Dopus5 Magellan], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->File Verification / Repair |<!--AROS-->[https://arosarchives.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility md5sum], [https://arosarchives.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/filetool asum], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/filetool workpar2] (PAR2), [http://zakalwe.fi/~shd/foss/cksfv/files/ compile cksfv from website], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->Par2, |- |Application Installer |<!--AROS-->[], [ InstallerNG], |<!--Amiga OS-->InstallerNG, Grunch, |<!--AmigaOS4-->Jack |<!--MorphOS-->Jack |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Compression archiver [https://github.com/FS-make-simple/paq9a paq9a], [], |<!--AROS-->XAD system is a toolkit designed for handling various file and disk archiver |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[https://aminet.net/package/util/pack/decrunchmania_os4 Crunchmania CrM2 depacker], |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Binary Hexadecimal Editor |<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=development/edit Zaphod], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Filesystem Partition Editor formatter Disk Management |<!--AROS-->[https://www.arosworld.org/infusions/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=1440&highlight=partition&pid=8821#post_8821 QuickPart], [ HDToolBox] |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://github.com/stefanskotte/hdpart hdpart], [https://github.com/ChuckyGang/AmiPart AmiPart], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Filesystem Repair and backups |<!--AROS-->ArSFSDoctor, |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://aminet.net/package/disk/bakup/quarterback_src Quarterback Tools C and asm src], [ ], [ ], [ ], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->System Disk check, integrity and history [https://github.com/smartmontools/smartmontools smart tools], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->[], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Multiple File renaming |<!--AROS-->DOpus 4 or 5, |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Anti Virus |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->VChecker, |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Random Wallpaper Desktop changer [ DOpus5], [ Scalos], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Alarm Clock, Timer, Stopwatch, Countdown |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/workbench DClock], [http://aminet.net/util/time/AlarmClockAROS.lha AlarmClock], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |} ==Misc Application 2== {| class="wikitable sortable" |- !width:30%;|Misc Application !width:10%;|AROS(x86) !width:10%;|Commodore-Amiga OS 3.1(68k) !width:10%;|Hyperion OS4(PPC) !width:10%;|MorphOS(PPC) |- |<!--Sub Menu-->C/C++ IDE Integrated Development |<!--AROS-->[https://sourceforge.net/projects/aidea/ AIDEa], [ Murks], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://devplex.awardspace.biz/cubic/index.html Cubic IDE]*, [ StormC], [https://github.com/jens-maus/amide amide], [], |<!--AmigaOS4-->CodeBench , [https://gitlab.com/boemann/codecraft CodeCraft], |<!--MorphOS-->[http://devplex.awardspace.biz/cubic/index.html Cubic IDE]*, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->C/C++ Text Editors |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/text/edit FrexxEd], [https://github.com/vidarh/FrexxEd FrexxEd src], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/text/edit Annotate] with [https://www.onyxsoft.se/files/annotate_src.lha src], |<!--Amiga OS-->[ Protext], [ CED], [], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->[https://www.onyxsoft.se/annotate.html Annotate], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Repository |<!--AROS-->[ Git] |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->Git |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->BASIC Computer Language |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=development/language Basic4SDL], [ Ace Basic], [ X-AMOS], [SDLBasic], [ Alvyn], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://www.amiforce.de/main.php Amiblitz 3] with [https://github.com/AmiBlitz/AmiBlitz3 Asm src], [http://amos.condor.serverpro3.com/AmosProManual/contents/c1.html Amos Pro] with [https://github.com/AmiDARK/AmosProfessionalUnity-Official-Releases Asm src], [http://aminet.net/package/dev/basic/ace24dist ACE Basic], [https://github.com/gooofy/aqb aqb], [], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->sdlBasic |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Computer Languages Translation [https://tetracorp.github.io/guide/reverse-engineering-amiga.html], [https://amigasourcecodepreservation.gitlab.io/amiga-assembler-insider-guide/], [https://github.com/kermitfrog/Amiga-Re-Engineering Rust, Ghidra and FS-UAE], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://bitbucket.org/rhinoid/convert68000toc/src/main/ convert m68k seka asm-one to c], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Gui Creators |<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=development/guitool MuiBuilder], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->[ MuiBuilder], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Catalog .cd .ct Custom App Language Editors |<!--AROS-->FlexCat, [https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility Flexcat GUI], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://www.geit.de/deu_simplecat.html SimpleCat], FlexCat |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://aminet.net/package/dev/misc/simplecat SimpleCat], FlexCat |<!--MorphOS-->[http://www.geit.de/deu_simplecat.html SimpleCat], FlexCat |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Cross Development |<!--AROS-->[], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://github.com/geekychris/amiga_mcp amiga_mcp], [https://github.com/mbergmann-sh/AmigaED4-IDE AmigaED4-IDE], [https://lemonspawn.com/turbo-rascal-syntax-error-expected-but-begin/ Turbo Rascal], [], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |} <nowiki>*</nowiki> Commercial product. ==Misc Application 3== {| class="wikitable sortable" |- !width:30%;|Misc Application !width:10%;|AROS(x86) !width:10%;|Commodore-Amiga OS 3.1(68k) !width:10%;|Hyperion OS4(PPC) !width:10%;|MorphOS(PPC) |- |<!--Sub Menu-->System |<!--AROS-->[ SysExplorer], [ SysMon], [ Scout], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Terminals Shells CLIs |<!--AROS-->[https://tomaszstaniak.com/aros-term/ aros-term], [], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->OSK On Screen Keyboard |<!--AROS-->[], |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://aminet.net/util/wb/OSK.lha OSK] |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Screen Magnifier Magnifying Glass Magnification |<!--AROS-->[http://www.onyxsoft.se/files/zoomit.lha ZoomIT], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Comic Book CBR CBZ format reader viewer |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/viewer comics], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/viewer comicon], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Ebook Reader |<!--AROS-->[https://blog.alb42.de/programs/#legadon Legadon EPUB],[] |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Ebook Converter |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Text to Speech tts [https://github.com/JonathanFly/bark-installer Bark], [], |<!--AROS-->[ Echo " " >SPEAK:A1 inbuilt], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=audio/misc flite], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://www.text2speech.com translator], [https://github.com/sidick/narrator.wyoming narrator.wyoming], [], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=search&tool=simple FLite] |<!--MorphOS-->[http://se.aminet.net/pub/aminet/mus/misc/ FLite] |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Speech Voice Recognition Dictation - [http://sourceforge.net/projects/cmusphinx/files/ CMU Sphinx], [http://julius.sourceforge.jp/en_index.php?q=en/index.html Julius], [http://www.isip.piconepress.com/projects/speech/index.html ISIP], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Speech Voice Changer [], [], [], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Screen Display Blanker screensaver |<!--AROS-->Blanker Commodity (built in), [https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/screenblanker GarshneBlanker], [http://sourceforge.net/projects/gblanker/ GBlanker Src], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->MultiCX, |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->ModernArt Blanker, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Fortune Cookie Quotes Sayings |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/misc AFortune], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |} ==Misc Application 4== {| class="wikitable sortable" |- !width:30%;|Misc Application !width:10%;|AROS(x86) !width:10%;|Commodore-Amiga OS 3.1(68k) !width:10%;|Hyperion OS4(PPC) !width:10%;|MorphOS(PPC) |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Fractals mandelbrot, etc |<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/misc], |<!--Amiga OS-->ZoneXplorer, |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Landscape Rendering |<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/raytrace WCS World Construction Set], |<!--Amiga OS-->[ Vista Pro], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Construction_Set World Construction Set] |<!--AmigaOS4-->[ WCS World Construction Set], |<!--MorphOS-->[ WCS World Construction Set], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Astronomy [https://sourceforge.net/projects/skychart/ skychart freepascal], [], [], |<!--AROS-->[ Digital Almanac (ABIv0 only)], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://aminet.net/search?query=planetarium Aminet search], [http://aminet.net/misc/sci/DA3V56ISO.zip Digital Almanac], [https://aminet.net/package/misc/sci/da3sourceV58 Src c V58], [ Galileo renamed to Distant Suns]*, [], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://sourceforge.net/projects/digital-almanac/ Digital Almanac], Distant Suns*, [http://www.digitaluniverse.org.uk/ Digital Universe]*, |<!--MorphOS-->[http://www.aminet.net/misc/sci/da3.lha Digital Almanac], [http://www.aminet.net/package/misc/sci/da3-mos-src Src c V56], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Astrology [https://sourceforge.net/projects/skylendar/ skylendar], [https://github.com/CruiserOne/Astrolog Astrolog], [https://www.astrolog.org/astrolog/astfile.htm Astrology alt site], [https://saravali.github.io/download.html Maitreya], [https://github.com/alamahant/Asteria Asteria], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Genealogy History Family Tree Ancestry Records (FreeBMD, FreeREG, and FreeCEN file formats or GEDCOM GenTree) |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> [ Origins], [ Your Family Tree], [ ], [ ], [ ], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Languages |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->Fun School, |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Mathematics ([http://www-fourier.ujf-grenoble.fr/~parisse/install_en.html Xcas], etc.), |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/scientific mathX] |<!--Amiga OS-->Maple V, mathX, Fun School, GCSE Maths, [ ], [ ], [ ], |<!--AmigaOS4-->Yacas |<!--MorphOS-->Yacas |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Maths Graph Function Plotting |<!--AROS-->[https://blog.alb42.de/programs/#MUIPlot MUIPlot], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->App Utility Launcher Dock toolbar |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/docky BoingBar], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://github.com/adkennan/DockBot Dockbot], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->3D Printer [https://github.com/OrcaSlicer/OrcaSlicer OrcaSlicer] |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->PCB design |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->[ ], [ ], [ ], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Digital Signage |<!--AROS-->Hollywood, Hollywood Designer |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->HAM radio, amateur radio, packet radio, [], [], [], [https://cemaxecuter.com/ Dragon OS], [https://github.com/km4ack/73Linux with 73 link update], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAL5KNePRSg video for], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://github.com/punktniklas/NiKom NiKom], [https://www.amigarealm.com/amiga/amicomms/comm4.htm Comm4], [https://www.amigarealm.com/archives/comms/aarug/ TNC Terminal Node Controller with packets over serial connections on Yaesu or Woxum handheld], [https://aminet.net/comm/misc AmiCom], [ with 7Plus file encoder/decoder], [ mksstv], [ RTTYam], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->modern smart home network like Home Assistant Automation Yellow, Green, Mosquitto, EMQX, |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://github.com/evil4dmin/ami2ha HA], [https://github.com/sidick/midge mtqq.lib], [https://aminet.net/package/comm/tcp/AmiHomeassist-0.7 AmiHomeassist], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Teaching classroom learning training [https://github.com/moodle/moodle moodle], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |} <nowiki>*</nowiki> Commercial product. ==Games & Emulation== Some emulators/games require OpenGL to function and to adjust ahi prefs channels, frequency and unit0 and unit1 and [http://aros.sourceforge.net/documentation/users/shell/changetaskpri.php changetaskpri -1] Rom patching https://www.marcrobledo.com/RomPatcher.js/ https://www.romhacking.net/patch/ (ips, ups, bps, etc) and this other site supports the latter formats https://hack64.net/tools/patcher.php Free public domain roms for use with emulators can be found [http://www.pdroms.de/ here] as most of the rest are covered by copyright rules. If you like to read about old games see [http://retrogamingtimes.com/ here] and [http://www.armchairarcade.com/neo/ here] and a [http://www.vintagecomputing.com/ blog] about old computers. Possibly some of the [http://www.answers.com/topic/list-of-best-selling-computer-and-video-games best selling] of all time. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_computer_system_emulators Wiki] with emulated systems list. [https://archive.gamehistory.org/ Archive of VGHF], [https://library.gamehistory.org/ Video Game History Foundation Library search] {| class="wikitable sortable" |- !width:10%;|Games [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer Emulation] !width:10%;|AROS(x86) !width:10%;|AmigaOS3(68k) !width:10%;|AmigaOS4(PPC) !width:10%;|MorphOS(PPC) |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Amstrad CPC |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer], [ Caprice32 (OpenGL & pure SDL)], [ Arnold], [https://retroshowcase.gr/cpcbox-master/], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer] |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=2], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Apple2 and 2GS |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Arcade |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem Mame], [ SI Emu (ABIv0 only)], |<!--Amiga OS-->Mame, |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem xmame], amiarcadia, |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=2 Mame], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Atari 2600 [], [], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem Stella], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Atari 5200 [https://github.com/wavemotion-dave/A5200DS A5200DS], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Atari 7800 |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Atari 400 800 130XL [https://github.com/wavemotion-dave/A8DS A8DS], [], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer Atari800], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Atari Lynx |<!--AROS-->[http://myfreefilehosting.com/f/6366e11bdf_1.93MB Handy (ABIv0 only)], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Atari Jaguar |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Bandai Wonderswan |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation BBC Micro and Acorn Electron [http://beehttps://bem-unix.bbcmicro.com/download.html BeebEm], [http://b-em.bbcmicro.com/ B-Em], [http://elkulator.acornelectron.co.uk/ Elkulator], [http://electrem.emuunlim.com/ ElectrEm], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Dragon 32 and Tandy CoCo [http://www.6809.org.uk/xroar/ xroar], [], |<!--AROS-->[], [], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Commodore C16 Plus4 |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Commodore C64 |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer Vice (ABIv0 only)], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->Frodo, |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem viceplus], |<!--MorphOS-->Vice, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Commodore Amiga |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer Janus UAE], Emumiga, |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer UAE], |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=2 UAE], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Japanese MSX MSX2 |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Mattel Intelivision |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Mattel Colecovision and Adam |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Milton Bradley (MB) Vectrex [ Vectrex OpenGL], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation PICO8 Pico-8 fantasy video game console [https://github.com/egordorichev/pemsa-sdl/ pemsa-sdl], [https://github.com/jtothebell/fake-08 fake-08], [https://github.com/Epicpkmn11/fake-08/tree/wip fake-08 fork], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Nintendo Gameboy |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem vba no sound], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem vba] |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Nintendo NES |<!--AROS-->[ EmiNES], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem Fceu], [https://github.com/takahirox/nes-js?tab=readme-ov-file nes-js], [https://github.com/bfirsh/jsnes jsnes], [https://github.com/angelo-wf/NesJs NesJs], |<!--Amiga OS-->AmiNES, [http://www.dridus.com/~nyef/darcnes/ darcNES], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem amines] |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Nintendo SNES |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem Zsnes], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem warpsnes] |<!--MorphOS-->[http://fabportnawak.free.fr/snes/ Snes9x], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Nintendo N64 *HLE and plugins [ mupen64], [https://github.com/ares-emulator/ares ares], [https://github.com/N64Recomp/N64Recomp N64Recomp], [https://github.com/rt64/rt64 rt64], [https://github.com/simple64/simple64 Simple64], *LLE [], |<!--AROS-->[http://code.google.com/p/mupen64plus/ Mupen64+], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://code.google.com/p/mupen64plus/ Mupen64+], [http://aminet.net/package/misc/emu/tr-981125_src TR64], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->[ Nintendo Gamecube Wii] |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->[ Nintendo Wii U] |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->[https://github.com/yuzu-emu Nintendo Switch] |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation NEC PC Engine |<!--AROS-->[], [], [https://github.com/yhzmr442/jspce js-pce], |[http://www.hugo.fr.fm/ Hugo], [http://mednafen.sourceforge.net/ Mednafen], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem tgemu] |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Sega Master System (SMS) |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem Dega], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem sms], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem osmose] |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Sega Genesis/Megadrive |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem gp no sound], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem DGen], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://code.google.com/p/genplus-gx/ Genplus], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem genesisplus] |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Sega Saturn *HLE [https://mednafen.github.io/ mednafen], [http://yabause.org/ yabause], [], *LLE [], [], |<!--AROS-->? |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://yabause.org/ Yabause], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Sega Dreamcast *HLE [https://github.com/flyinghead/flycast flycast], [https://code.google.com/archive/p/nulldc/downloads NullDC], *LLE [], [], |<!--AROS-->? |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Sinclair ZX80 and ZX81 |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer], [], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Sinclair Spectrum |[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer Fuse (crackly sound)], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer SimCoupe], [ FBZX slow], [https://jsspeccy.zxdemo.org/ jsspeccy], [http://torinak.com/qaop/games qaop], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://www.lasernet.plus.com/ Asp], [http://www.zophar.net/sinclair.html Speculator], [http://www.worldofspectrum.org/x128/index.html X128], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer] |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Sinclair QL |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://aminet.net/package/misc/emu/QDOS4amiga1 QDOS4amiga] |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation SNK NeoGeo Pocket |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem gngeo], NeoPop, |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Sony PlayStation |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem FPSE], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem FPSE] |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->[ Sony PS2] |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->[ Sony PS3] |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->[https://vita3k.org/ Sony Vita] |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->[https://github.com/shadps4-emu/shadPS4 PS4] |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tangerine_Computer_Systems Tangerine] Oric and Atmos |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer Oricutron] |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem Oricutron] |<!--MorphOS-->[http://aminet.net/package/misc/emu/oricutron Oricutron] |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation TI 99/4 99/4A [https://github.com/wavemotion-dave/DS994a DS994a], [], [https://js99er.net/#/ js99er], [], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://aminet.net/package/misc/emu/TI4Amiga TI4Amiga], [http://aminet.net/package/misc/emu/TI4Amiga_src TI4Amiga src in c], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation HP 38G 40GS 48 49G/50G Graphing Calculators |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation TI 58 83 84 85 86 - 89 92 Graphing Calculators |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |} {| class="wikitable sortable" |- !width:10%;|Games [https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/ General] !width:10%;|AROS(x86) !width:10%;|AmigaOS3(68k) !width:10%;|AmigaOS4(PPC) !width:10%;|MorphOS(PPC) |- style="background:lightgrey;{{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Games [https://www.trackawesomelist.com/michelpereira/awesome-open-source-games/ Open Source and others] || AROS || Amiga OS || Amiga OS4 || Morphos |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Action like [https://github.com/opentomb/OpenTomb opentomb], [https://github.com/LostArtefacts/TRX TRX formerly Tomb1Main], [https://github.com/TombEngine TombEngine], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/action Thrust], [https://github.com/fragglet/sdl-sopwith sdl sopwith], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/action], [https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/action BOH], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://github.com/BSzili/OpenLara/tree/amiga/src source of openlara SDL2], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Adventure like [http://dotg.sourceforge.net/ DMJ], [https://github.com/kromenak/gengine Gabriel Knight 3], [http://www.sarien.net/ Sierra Sarien], [https://github.com/klembot/twinejs twine js], [https://github.com/QSPFoundation/qspgui Quest Soft Player QSP], [], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/adventure dmagnetic], [https://archives.arosworld.org/?function=browse&cat=emulation/misc ScummVM], [https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/roleplaying frotz infocom], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Board like [https://github.com/aperture-software/colditz-escape escape from colditz], [], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/board], [http://amigan.1emu.net/releases Africa] |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Cards |<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/card], [https://www.arosworld.org/infusions/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=1443&rowstart=180&pid=12934#post_12934 Balatro], |<!--AmigaOS-->[http://home.arcor.de/amigasolitaire/e/welcome.html Reko], [https://github.com/samskivert/beschei-en beschei Src], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Misc [https://github.com/michelpereira/awesome-open-source-games Awesome open], [https://github.com/bobeff/open-source-games General Open Source], [https://github.com/SAT-R/sa2 Sonic Advance 2], [https://github.com/velorek1/cwordle Wordle type], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/misc], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games FPS like [https://aminet.net/package/game/shoot/D1X_Rebirth_AGA Descent D1X src], [https://github.com/DescentDevelopers/Descent3 Descent 3], [https://github.com/Fewnity/Counter-Strike-Nintendo-DS Counter-Strike-Nintendo-DS], [https://github.com/Aleph-One-Marathon/alephone Bungie Marathon 1994], [https://zdoom.org/downloads UzDoom opengl 3.3], [https://github.com/ZDoom/gzdoom gzdoom opengl 3+], [https://zdoom.org/downloads LZDoom opengl 2.1], [https://github.com/OpenXRay/xray-16 S.T.A.L.K.E.R Xray], |<!--AROS-->Doom, Quake, [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/fps Quake 3 Arena (OpenGL)], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/fps Cube (OpenGL)], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/fps Assault Cube (OpenGL)], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/fps Cube 2 Sauerbraten (OpenGL)], [http://fodquake.net/test/ FodQuake QuakeWorld], [https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/fps Duke Nukem 3D], [https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/fps Darkplaces Nexuiz Xonotic], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/fps Doom 3 SDL (OpenGL)], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/fps Hexenworld and Hexen 2], [https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/fps Aliens vs Predator Gold 2000 avp (openGL)], [https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/fps Odamex (openGL doom)], [https://archives.arosworld.org/?function=showfile&file=game/fps/ zgloom], [], [https://archives.arosworld.org/?function=showfile&file=game/fps/ ab3dhd], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->Doom, Quake, AB3D, Fears, Breathless, Gloom, |<!--AmigaOS4-->Doom, Quake, |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=12 Doom], Quake, Quake 3 Arena, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games MMORG like |<!--AROS-->[ Eternal Lands (OpenGL)], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Platform like |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/platform], [ Maze of Galious], [ Gish]*(openGL), [ Mega Mario], [https://archives.arosworld.org/?function=showfile&file=game/platform/ thextech SMBX], [http://www.gianas-return.de/ Giana's Return], [http://www.sqrxz.de/ Sqrxz], [www.sqrxz2.de/ Sqrxz 2], [http://www.sqrxz.de/sqrxz-3/ Sqrxz 3], [http://www.sqrxz.de/sqrxz-4/ Sqrxz 4], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/platform Cave Story], [https://bszili.morphos.me/ Frogatto], [https://bszili.morphos.me/ OpenJazz], [https://archives.arosworld.org/?function=showfile&file=game/platform/ pekkakana2], [ Aquaria], [https://archives.arosworld.org/?function=showfile&file=game/platform/ sonic CD], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->[ Giana Sisters], [], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Puzzle [https://github.com/mariopartyrd/marioparty4/tree/port Party], [https://github.com/mdodis/OpenSolomonsKey OpenSolomonsKey], [], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/puzzle], [ Cubosphere (OpenGL)], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/puzzle Candy Crisis], [http://bszili.morphos.me/ TailTale], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Racing [ Trigger Rally], [ VDrift], [http://www.ultimatestunts.nl/index.php?page=2&lang=en Ultimate Stunts], [http://maniadrive.raydium.org/ Mania Drive], [https://github.com/plowteam/donut Simpsons Hit and Run], [], |<!--AROS-->[ Super Tux Kart (OpenGL)], [http://www.dusabledanslherbe.eu/AROSPage/F1Spirit.30.html F1 Spirit (OpenGL)], [http://bszili.morphos.me/index.html MultiRacer], [https://bszili.morphos.me/ Speed Dreams], [https://archives.arosworld.org/?function=showfile&file=game/driving/dethrace-0.10.1.x86_64-aros-v11.zip Carmageddon dethrace 64bit], [], |<!--AmigaOS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://bszili.morphos.me/index.html Speed Dreams], |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=12], [http://bszili.morphos.me/index.html TORCS], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games 1st first person DRPG [https://wiki.rpg.net/index.php/Open_Game_Systems Misc], [https://github.com/OpenEnroth/OpenEnroth OpenEnroth MM], [] |<!--AROS-->[https://github.com/BSzili/aros-stuff Arx Libertatis], [http://www.playfuljs.com/a-first-person-engine-in-265-lines/ js raycaster], [https://github.com/Dorthu/es6-crpg webgl], [https://github.com/sonountaleban/AmiShockolate System Shock], [], [], |<!--AmigaOS-->Phantasie, Faery Tale, Dungeon Master, |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games 3rd third person action CRPG [https://sourceforge.net/projects/sumwars/ Summoning Wars], [https://www.solarus-games.org/ Solarus], [https://wiki.rpg.net/index.php/Open_Game_Systems Misc], [https://github.com/alexbatalov/fallout1-ce fallout ce], [https://github.com/rwengine/openrw gta3], [https://github.com/gta-reversed/gta-reversed gta3 sa], [https://github.com/mrxenginner/reVC gta3 vc revc], [https://github.com/jakobharder/burntime/tree/main Burntime], |<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/?function=showfile&file=game/strategy/ fheroes2 homm2], [https://archives.arosworld.org/?function=showfile&file=game/roleplaying/ breakhack], [https://archives.arosworld.org/?function=showfile&file=game/roleplaying/ devilutionx diablo 1 hellfire], [https://archives.arosworld.org/?function=showfile&file=game/roleplaying/ fallout 1], [https://archives.arosworld.org/?function=showfile&file=game/strategy/ stratagus], [https://archives.arosworld.org/?function=showfile&file=game/strategy/ hostile-takeover], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games isometric RPG [https://sourceforge.net/projects/sumwars/ Summoning Wars], [https://www.solarus-games.org/ Solarus], [https://wiki.rpg.net/index.php/Open_Game_Systems Misc], [https://github.com/topics/dungeon?l=javascript Dungeon], [], [https://github.com/clintbellanger/heroine-dusk JS Dusk], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/roleplaying nethack], [https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/roleplaying GemRB], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games card based RPG [https://github.com/open-duelyst/duelyst Duelyst], [], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games turn based tactics RPG [], [], [], [], [], [], |<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/strategy UFO AI], [http://play.freeciv.org/ FreeCiv], [], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Strategy [http://rtsgus.org/ RTSgus], [http://stargus.sourceforge.net/ Stargus], [https://github.com/KD-lab-Open-Source/Perimeter Perimeter], [https://matty77.itch.io/conflict-3049 conflict-3049], [https://github.com/ZeroK-RTS/Zero-K multi player rts lua], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/strategy MegaGlest (OpenGL)], [https://archives.arosworld.org/?function=showfile&file=game/strategy/ signus], [https://www.arosworld.org/infusions/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=1443&rowstart=140&pid=12446#post_12446 Wargus warcraft 2 setup], |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://aminet.net/package/game/strat/OpenDUNE_RTG OpenDUNE_RTG src] |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=12] |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Rhythm, Beat, Step [], [], [https://clonehero.net/ clonehero], [https://github.com/MatteoGodzilla/Dj-Engine Dj-Engine], |<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/misc Frets on Fire], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Shoot Em Ups [http://www.mhgames.org/oldies/formido/ Formido], [http://code.google.com/p/violetland/ Violetland], ||<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/action Open Tyrian], [http://www.parallelrealities.co.uk/projects/starfighter.php Starfighter], [ Alien Blaster], [https://github.com/OpenFodder/openfodder OpenFodder], [https://archives.arosworld.org/?function=showfile&file=game/action/ tbftss The Battle for the Solar System: the Pandora War] |<!--AmigaOS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.parallelrealities.co.uk/projects/starfighter.php Starfighter], [ The Battle for the Solar System: the Pandora War] |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Simulations [http://scp.indiegames.us/ Freespace 2], [http://www.heptargon.de/gl-117/gl-117.html GL117], [http://code.google.com/p/corsix-th/ Theme Hospital], [http://code.google.com/p/freerct/ Rollercoaster Tycoon], [http://hedgewars.org/ Hedgewars], [https://github.com/raceintospace/raceintospace raceintospace], [https://github.com/Return-To-The-Roots RTTR Settlers 2], [https://github.com/OoliteProject/oolite oolite elite], [https://github.com/fesh0r/newkind newkind elite], [https://github.com/bohemiainteractive/cwr Arma Cold War Src], [], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->SimCity, SimAnt, Sim Hospital, Theme Park, [https://github.com/angree/openttd_amiga_68k openttd amiga_68k], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=12] |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Life Sim [https://github.com/ACreTeam/forest Animal Crossing], [ ], [], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Horror [https://github.com/Mikompilation/MikuPan Fatal Frame], [ ], [], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Sandbox Voxel Open World Exploration [https://github.com/ClassiCube/ Classicube],[http://www.michaelfogleman.com/craft/ Craft], [https://github.com/tothpaul/DelphiCraft DelphiCraft],[https://www.minetest.net/ Luanti formerly Minetest], [ infiniminer], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Battle Royale [https://bruh.io/ Play.Bruh.io], [https://www.coolmathgames.com/0-copter Copter Royale], [https://surviv.io/ Surviv.io], [https://nuggetroyale.io/#Ketchup Nugget Royale], [https://miniroyale2.io/ Miniroyale2.io], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Tower Defense [https://chriscourses.github.io/tower-defense/ HTML5], [https://github.com/SBardak/Tower-Defense-Game TD C++], [https://github.com/bdoms/love_defense LUA and LOVE], [https://github.com/HyOsori/Osori-WebGame HTML5], [https://github.com/PascalCorpsman/ConfigTD ConfigTD Pascal], [https://github.com/GloriousEggroll/wine-ge-custom Wine], [] |<!--AROS-->[https://www.arosworld.org/infusions/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=1443&rowstart=180&pid=12871#post_12871 Plants vs Zombies PvZ], |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://github.com/boingball/miggy-tower-defense miggy-tower-defense], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Visual Novel Engines [https://github.com/diane1f0cd/VisualNovelTemplate Visual Novel Template], [https://github.com/Kirilllive/tuesday-js Tuesday JS], [https://github.com/tejasnayak25/vnsutra vnsutra], [https://github.com/weetabix-su/renpsp-dev RenPSP], [https://github.com/Galladite27/ONScripter-EN ONScripter-EN], [https://github.com/NathanGuilhot/VNES-Raylib https://github.com/NathanGuilhot/VNES VNES in Raylib], [https://www.renpy.org/latest.html renpy ren'py python based], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Virtual Reality VR [https://gitlab.com/madsbuvi/openmw openmw vr], [https://github.com/Team-Beef-Studios/BeefRaiderXR BeefRaiderXR], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Virtual Table Top VTT [ Roll20], [https://www.owlbear.rodeo/ owlbear rodeo], [], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Computer assisted TableTop TTRPG OSR [https://www.rpgsolo.com/play.php RPGSolo], [https://github.com/fpsvogel/solo-ttrpgs Solo TTRPG], [], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games 2D 3D Engines [https://github.com/fegennari/3DWorld 3DWorld], [https://github.com/GarageGames/Torque3D Torque3D], [https://github.com/gameplay3d/GamePlay GamePlay 3D], [https://www.babylonjs.com/ BabylonJS ], [ Godot], [ Ogre], [ Crystal Space], [https://github.com/JacobHess03/ Dragon-Quest like], [https://github.com/bjornbytes/lovr Lua LOVE for 2D LOVR for 3D], [], |<!--AROS-->[https://www.arkhamdev.net/wiki.htm?id=agx Arkham Development antiryadgx 8.9 lts with register], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://github.com/alpyre/Sevgi_Engine Sevgi Engine], [], [], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games C based game frameworks [https://github.com/orangeduck/Corange Corange], [https://github.com/scottcgi/Mojoc Mojoc], [https://orx-project.org/ Orx], [https://github.com/ioquake/ioq3 Quake 3], [https://www.mapeditor.org/ Tiled], [https://www.raylib.com/ 2d Raylib], [https://github.com/Rabios/awesome-raylib other raylib], [https://github.com/MrFrenik/gunslinger Gunslinger], [https://o3de.org/ o3d], [http://archives.aros-exec.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=development/library GLFW], [], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=development/library Raylib 5], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games RPGMaker MV/MZ-compatible projects [https://github.com/Psychronic-Games/RPGReactor RPGReactor js], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Virtual Pinball [https://github.com/vpinball/vpinball vpinball], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games unpack unarc [], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |} ==Application Guides== [[#top|...to the top]] ===Web Browser=== OWB is now at version 2.0 (which got an engine refresh, from July 2015 to February 2019) and 3.0. This latest version has a good support for many/most web sites, even YouTube web page now works. [https://www.bilibili.tv/en/search untested] This improved compatibility comes at the expense of higher RAM usage (now 1GB RAM is the absolute minimum). Also, keep in mind that the lack of a JIT (Just-In-Time) JS compiler on the 32 bit version, makes the web surfing a bit slow. Only the 64 bit version of OWB 2.0 will have JIT enabled, thus benefitting of more speed. There are tooltypes that can be added to the icon to provide further features JIT, MSE etc Certificates from [https://curl.se/docs/caextract.html ca certs], DNS tracking blocking with [https://easylist.to/easylist/easylist.txt easylist.txt] in PROGDIR:Conf before starting browser with enabled AdBlock [https://github.com/easylist/easylist/tree/master easylist], [https://gitlab.com/eyeo anti abp], [https://firebog.net/ big blocklist], [https://github.com/StevenBlack/hosts Steves], [], [], This can be enabled with OWB Odyssey with Windows -> Content Blocking and Windows -> Messages and enter https://www.youtube.com/api/stats/ads* https://www.youtube.com/pagead/adview* https://www.youtube.com#@##player-ads* into your custom filters Element blocker browser extension might be needed for [https://github.com/easylist/easylist/wiki/Youtube-Issues youtube], [ mid roll], [ pre roll], [ ], OWB speed is much better when running from RAM Disk, the best way is to add the below into your S:User-Startup which copies OWB drawer from Extras:Internet/OWB to RAM Disk: So add this : <pre> copy Extras:Internet/OWB Ram:OWB/ ALL CLONE >NIL: copy Extras:Internet/OWB.info Ram: >NIL: </pre> Open RAM Disk and open OWB drawer and double click on OWB icon so that the above icon tooltypes are activated Problems are that the copy time is long (around 20 seconds added in the background), but we can make it faster if we delete useless files from the OWB drawer (docs, …) If you don’t copy the drawer back onto the HD, you won’t save your cache, cookies, passwords… So you need a script for it. copy Extras:Internet/Amelinium/#? Ram:Amelinium/ ALL CLONE >NIL: Error messages SSL error "cant verify with ca-certificates", check bios clock time date is correct Error 6, try checking networking prefs settings and Save / Use preferences again or a '''few times''' otherwise the network chipset may not be compatible with Aros [https://www.google.com/search?q=%s&udm=14 Google search without AI overview] [ DuckDuckGo] [ Ecosia] [ Qwant] [ Swisscows] [ Mojeek] [ Brave Search] [ PreSearch] [ Startpage] ===E-mail=== Emailinium is now available for IMAP and POP3 based accounts YAM does not support SSL and most mail providers now switched to encrypted SMTP/POP3 connections ====SimpleMail==== SimpleMail supports IMAP and appears to work with GMail, but it's never been reliable enough, it can crash with large mailboxes. Please read more on this [http://www.freelists.org/list/simplemail-usr User list] GMail Be sure to activate the pop3 usage in your gmail account setup / configuration first. pop3: pop.gmail.com Use SSL: Yes Port: 995 smtp: smtp.gmail.com (with authentication) Use Authentication: Yes Use SSL: Yes Port: 465 or 587 Hotmail/MSN/outlook/Microsoft Mail mid-2017, all outlook.com accounts will be migrated to Office 365 / Exchange Most users are currently on POP which does not allow showing folders and many other features (technical limitations of POP3). With Microsoft IMAP you will get folders, sync read/unread, and show flags. You still won't get push though, as Microsoft has not turned on the IMAP Idle command as at Sept 2013. If you want to try it, you need to first remove (you can't edit) your pop account (long-press the account on the accounts screen, delete account). Then set it up this way: 1. Email/Password 2. Manual 3. IMAP 4. * Incoming: imap-mail.outlook.com, port 993, SSL/TLS should be checked * Outgoing: smtp-mail.outlook.com, port 587, SSL/TLS should be checked * POP server name pop-mail.outlook.com, port 995, POP encryption method SSL Yahoo Mail On April 24, 2002 Yahoo ceased to offer POP access to its free mail service. Introducing instead a yearly payment feature, allowing users POP3 and IMAP server support, along with such benefits as larger file attachment sizes and no adverts. Sorry to see Yahoo leaving its users to cough up for the privilege of accessing their mail. Understandable, when competing against rivals such as Gmail and Hotmail who hold a large majority of users and were hacked in 2014 as well. Incoming Mail (IMAP) Server * Server - imap.mail.yahoo.com * Port - 993 * Requires SSL - Yes Outgoing Mail (SMTP) Server * Server - smtp.mail.yahoo.com * Port - 465 or 587 * Requires SSL - Yes * Requires authentication - Yes Your login info * Email address - Your full email address (name@domain.com) * Password - Your account's password * Requires authentication - Yes Note that you need to enable “Web & POP Access” in your Yahoo Mail account to send and receive Yahoo Mail messages through any other email program. You will have to enable “Allow your Yahoo Mail to be POPed” under “POP and Forwarding”, to send and receive Yahoo mails through any other email client. Cannot be done since 2002 unless the customer pays Yahoo a subscription subs fee to have access to SMTP and POP3 * Set the POP server for incoming mails as pop.mail.yahoo.com. You will have to enable “SSL” and use 995 for Port. * “Account Name or Login Name” – Your Yahoo Mail ID i.e. your email address without the domain “@yahoo.com”. * “Email Address” – Your Yahoo Mail address i.e. your email address including the domain “@yahoo.com”. E.g. myname@yahoo.com * “Password” – Your Yahoo Mail password. Yahoo! Mail Plus users may have to set POP server as plus.pop.mail.yahoo.com and SMTP server as plus.smtp.mail.yahoo.com. * Set the SMTP server for outgoing mails as smtp.mail.yahoo.com. You will also have to make sure that “SSL” is enabled and use 465 for port. you must also enable “authentication” for this to work. ====YAM Yet Another Mailer==== YAM does not support SSL and most mail providers have now switched to encrypted SMTP/POP3 connections This email client is POP3 only if the SSL library is available [http://www.freelists.org/list/yam YAM Freelists] One of the downsides of using a POP3 mailer unfortunately - you have to set an option not to delete the mail if you want it left on the server. IMAP keeps all the emails on the server. Possible issues Sending mail issues is probably a matter of using your ISP's SMTP server, though it could also be an SSL issue. getting a "Couldn't initialise TLSv1 / SSL error Use of on-line e-mail accounts with this email client is not possible as it lacks the OpenSSL AmiSSl v3 compatible library GMail Incoming Mail (POP3) Server - requires SSL: pop.gmail.com Use SSL: Yes Port: 995 Outgoing Mail (SMTP) Server - requires TLS: smtp.gmail.com (use authentication) Use Authentication: Yes Use STARTTLS: Yes (some clients call this SSL) Port: 465 or 587 Account Name: your Gmail username (including '@gmail.com') Email Address: your full Gmail email address (username@gmail.com) Password: your Gmail password Anyway, the SMTP is pop.gmail.com port 465 and it uses SSLLv3 Authentication. The POP3 settings are for the same server (pop.gmail.com), only on port 995 instead. Outlook.com access <pre > Outlook.com SMTP server address: smtp.live.com Outlook.com SMTP user name: Your full Outlook.com email address (not an alias) Outlook.com SMTP password: Your Outlook.com password Outlook.com SMTP port: 587 Outlook.com SMTP TLS/SSL encryption required: yes </pre > Yahoo Mail <pre > “POP3 Server” – Set the POP server for incoming mails as pop.mail.yahoo.com. You will have to enable “SSL” and use 995 for Port. “SMTP Server” – Set the SMTP server for outgoing mails as smtp.mail.yahoo.com. You will also have to make sure that “SSL” is enabled and use 465 for port. you must also enable “authentication” for this to work. “Account Name or Login Name” – Your Yahoo Mail ID i.e. your email address without the domain “@yahoo.com”. “Email Address” – Your Yahoo Mail address i.e. your email address including the domain “@yahoo.com”. E.g. myname@yahoo.com “Password” – Your Yahoo Mail password. </pre > Yahoo! Mail Plus users may have to set POP server as plus.pop.mail.yahoo.com and SMTP server as plus.smtp.mail.yahoo.com. Note that you need to enable “Web & POP Access” in your Yahoo Mail account to send and receive Yahoo Mail messages through any other email program. You will have to enable “Allow your Yahoo Mail to be POPed” under “POP and Forwarding”, to send and receive Yahoo mails through any other email client. Cannot be done since 2002 unless the customer pays Yahoo a monthly fee to have access to SMTP and POP3 Microsoft Outlook Express Mail 1. Get the files to your PC. By whatever method get the files off your Amiga onto your PC. In the YAM folder you have a number of different folders, one for each of your folders in YAM. Inside that is a file usually some numbers such as 332423.283. YAM created a new file for every single email you received. 2. Open up a brand new Outlook Express. Just configure the account to use 127.0.0.1 as mail servers. It doesn't really matter. You will need to manually create any subfolders you used in YAM. 3. You will need to do a mass rename on all your email files from YAM. Just add a .eml to the end of it. Amazing how PCs still rely mostly on the file name so it knows what sort of file it is rather than just looking at it! There are a number of multiple renamers online to download and free too. 4. Go into each of your folders, inbox, sent items etc. And do a select all then drag the files into Outlook Express (to the relevant folder obviously) Amazingly the file format that YAM used is very compatible with .eml standard and viola your emails appear. With correct dates and working attachments. 5. If you want your email into Microsoft Outlook. Open that up and create a new profile and a new blank PST file. Then go into File Import and choose to import from Outlook Express. And the mail will go into there. And viola.. you have your old email from your Amiga in a more modern day format. ===FTP=== Magellan has a great FTP module. It allows transferring files from/to a FTP server over the Internet or the local network and, even if FTP is perceived as a "thing of the past", its usability is all inside the client. The FTP thing has a nice side effect too, since every Icaros machine can be a FTP server as well, and our files can be easily transferred from an Icaros machine to another with a little configuration effort. First of all, we need to know the 'server' IP address. Server is the Icaros machine with the file we are about to download on another Icaros machine, that we're going to call 'client'. To do that, move on the server machine and 1) run Prefs/Services to be sure "FTP file transfer" is enabled (if not, enable it and restart Icaros); 2) run a shell and enter this command: ifconfig -a Make a note of the IP address for the network interface used by the local area network. For cabled devices, it usually is net0:. Now go on the client machine and run Magellan: Perform these actions: 1) click on FTP; 2) click on ADDRESS BOOK; 3) click on "New". You can now add a new entry for your Icaros server machine: 1) Choose a name for your server, in order to spot it immediately in the address book. Enter the IP address you got before. 2) click on Custom Options: 1) go to Miscellaneous in the left menu; 2) Ensure "Passive Transfers" is NOT selected; 3) click on Use. We need to deactivate Passive Transfers because YAFS, the FTP server included in Icaros, only allows active transfers at the current stage. Now, we can finally connect to our new file source: 1) Look into the address book for the newly introduced server, be sure that name and IP address are right, and 2) click on Connect. A new lister with server's "MyWorkspace" contents will appear. You can now transfer files over the network choosing a destination among your local (client's) volumes. Can be adapted to any FTP client on any platform of your choice, just be sure your client allows Active Transfers as well. ===IRC Internet Relay Chat=== Jabberwocky is ideal for one-to-one social media communication, use IRC if you require one to many. Just type a message in ''lowercase''' letters and it will be posted to all in the [ AROS irc channel]. Please do not use UPPER CASE as it is a sign of SHOUTING which is annoying. Other things to type in - replace <message> with a line of text and <nick> with a person's name <pre> /help /list /who /whois <nick> /msg <nick> <message> /query <nick> <message>s /query /away <message> /away /quit <going away message> </pre> [http://irchelp.org/irchelp/new2irc.html#smiley Intro guide here]. IRC Primer can be found here in [http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/ircprimer.html html], [http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/text/ircprimer.txt TXT], [http://www.kei.com/irc/IRCprimer1.1.ps PostScript]. Issue the command /me <text> where <text> is the text that should follow your nickname. Example: /me slaps ajk around a bit with a large trout /nick <newNick> /nickserv register <password> <email address> /ns instead of /nickserv, while others might need /msg nickserv /nickserv identify <password> Alternatives: /ns identify <password> /msg nickserv identify <password> ==== IRC WookieChat ==== WookieChat is the most complete internet client for communication across the IRC Network. WookieChat allows you to swap ideas and communicate in real-time, you can also exchange Files, Documents, Images and everything else using the application's DCC capabilities. add smilies drawer/directory run wookiechat from the shell and set stack to 1000000 e.g. wookiechat stack 1000000 select a server / server window * nickname * user name * real name - optional Once you configure the client with your preferred screen name, you'll want to find a channel to talk in. servers * New Server - click on this to add / add extra - change details in section below this click box * New Group * Delete Entry * Connect to server * connect in new tab * perform on connect Change details * Servername - change text in this box to one of the below Server: * Port number - no need to change * Server password * Channel - add #channel from below * auto join - can click this * nick registration password, Click Connect to server button above <pre> Server: irc.freenode.net Channel: #aros </pre> irc://irc.freenode.net/aros <pre> Server: chat.amigaworld.net Channel: #amigaworld or #amigans </pre> <pre> On Sunday evenings USA time usually starting around 3PM EDT (1900 UTC) Server:irc.superhosts.net Channel #team*amiga </pre> <pre> BitlBee and Minbif are IRCd-like gateways to multiple IM networks Server: im.bitlbee.org Port 6667 Seems to be most useful on WookieChat as you can be connected to several servers at once. One for Bitlbee and any messages that might come through that. One for your normal IRC chat server. </pre> [http://www.bitlbee.org/main.php/servers.html Other servers], <pre> #Amiga.org - irc.synirc.net eu.synirc.net dissonance.nl.eu.synirc.net (IPv6: 2002:5511:1356:0:216:17ff:fe84:68a) twilight.de.eu.synirc.net zero.dk.eu.synirc.net us.synirc.net avarice.az.us.synirc.net envy.il.us.synirc.net harpy.mi.us.synirc.net liberty.nj.us.synirc.net snowball.mo.us.synirc.net - Ports 6660-6669 7001 (SSL) </pre> <pre> Multiple server support "Perform on connect" scripts and channel auto-joins Automatic Nickserv login Tabs for channels and private conversations CTCP PING, TIME, VERSION, SOUND Incoming and Outgoing DCC SEND file transfers Colours for different events Logging and automatic reloading of logs mIRC colour code filters Configurable timestamps GUI for changing channel modes easily Configurable highlight keywords URL Grabber window Optional outgoing swear word filter Event sounds for tabs opening, highlighted words, and private messages DCC CHAT support Doubleclickable URL's Support for multiple languages using LOCALE Clone detection Auto reconnection to Servers upon disconnection Command aliases Chat display can be toggled between AmIRC and mIRC style Counter for Unread messages Graphical nicklist and graphical smileys with a popup chooser </pre> ====IRC Aircos ==== Double click on Aircos icon in Extras:Networking/Apps/Aircos. It has been set up with a guest account for trial purposes. Though ideally, choose a nickname and password for frequent use of irc. ====IRC and XMPP Jabberwocky==== Servers are setup and close down at random You sign up to a server that someone else has setup and access chat services through them. The two ways to access chat from jabberwocky <pre > Jabberwocky -> Server -> XMPP -> open and ad-free Jabberwocky -> Server -> Transports (Gateways) -> Proprietary closed systems </pre > The Jabber.org service connects with all IM services that use XMPP, the open standard for instant messaging and presence over the Internet. The services we connect with include Google Talk (closed), Live Journal Talk, Nimbuzz, Ovi, and thousands more. However, you can not connect from Jabber.org to proprietary services like AIM, ICQ, MSN, Skype, or Yahoo because they don’t yet use XMPP components (XEP-0114) '''but''' you can use Jabber.com's servers and IM gateways (MSN, ICQ, Yahoo etc.) instead. The best way to use jabberwocky is in conjunction with a public jabber server with '''transports''' to your favorite services, like gtalk, Facebook, yahoo, ICQ, AIM, etc. You have to register with one of the servers, [https://list.jabber.at/ this list] or [http://www.jabberes.org/servers/ another list], [http://xmpp.net/ this security XMPP list], Unfortunately jabberwocky can only connect to one server at a time so it is best to check what services each server offers. If you set it up with separate Facebook and google talk accounts, for example, sometimes you'll only get one or the other. Jabberwocky open a window where the Jabber server part is typed in as well as your Nickname and Password. Jabber ID (JID) identifies you to the server and other users. Once registered the next step is to goto Jabberwocky's "Windows" menu and select the "Agents" option. The "Agents List" window will open. Roster (contacts list) [http://search.wensley.org.uk/ Chatrooms] (MUC) are available File Transfer - can send and receive files through the Jabber service but not with other services like IRC, ICQ, AIM or Yahoo. All you need is an installed webbrowser and OpenURL. Clickable URLs - The message window uses Mailtext.mcc and you can set a URL action in the MUI mailtext prefs like SYS:Utils/OpenURL %s NEWWIN. There is no consistent Skype like (H.323 VoIP) video conferencing available over Jabber. The move from xmpp to Jingle should help but no support on any amiga-like systems at the moment. [http://aminet.net/package/dev/src/AmiPhoneSrc192 AmiPhone] and [http://www.lysator.liu.se/%28frame,faq,nobg,useframes%29/ahi/v4-site/ Speak Freely] was an early attempt voice only contact. SIP and Asterisk are other PBX options. Facebook If you're using the XMPP transport provided by Facebook themselves, chat.facebook.com, it looks like they're now requiring SSL transport. This means jabberwocky method below will no longer work. The best thing to do is to create an ID on a public jabber server which has a Facebook gateway. <pre > 1. launch jabberwocky 2. if the login window doesn't appear on launch, select 'account' from the jabberwocky menu 3. your jabber ID will be user@chat.facebook.com where user is your user ID 4. your password is your normal facebook password 5. to save this for next time, click the popup gadget next to the ID field 6. click the 'add' button 7. click the 'close' button 8. click the 'connect' button </pre > you're done. you can also click the 'save as default account' button if you want. jabberwocky configured to auto-connect when launching the program, but you can configure as you like. there is amigaguide documentation included with jabberwocky. [http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=37085&forum=32 Read more here] for Facebook users, you can log-in directly to Facebook with jabberwocky. just sign in as @chat.facebook.com with your Facebook password as the password Twitter For a few years, there has been added a twitter transport. Servers include [http://jabber.hot-chilli.net/ jabber.hot-chili.net], and . An [http://jabber.hot-chilli.net/tag/how-tos/ How-to] :Read [http://jabber.hot-chilli.net/2010/05/09/twitter-transport-working/ more] Instagram no support at the moment best to use a web browser based client ICQ The new version (beta) of StriCQ uses a newer ICQ protocol. Most of the ICQ Jabber Transports still use an older ICQ protocol. You can only talk one-way to StriCQ using the older Transports. Only the newer ICQv7 Transport lets you talk both ways to StriCQ. Look at the server lists in the first section to check. Register on a Jabber server, e.g. this one works: http://www.jabber.de/ Then login into Jabberwocky with the following login data e.g. xxx@jabber.de / Password: xxx Now add your ICQ account under the window->Agents->"Register". Now Jabberwocky connects via the Jabber.de server with your ICQ account. Yahoo Messenger although yahoo! does not use xmpp protocol, you should be able to use the transport methods to gain access and post your replies MSN early months of 2013 Microsoft will ditch MSN Messenger client and force everyone to use Skype...but MSN protocol and servers will keep working as usual for quite a long time.... Occasionally the Messenger servers have been experiencing problems signing in. You may need to sign in at www.outlook.com and then try again. It may also take multiple tries to sign in. (This also affects you if you’re using Skype.) You have to check each servers' Agents List to see what transports (MSN protocol, ICQ protocol, etc.) are supported or use the list address' provided in the section above. Then register with each transport (IRC, MSN, ICQ, etc.) to which you need access. After registering you can Connect to start chatting. msn.jabber.com/registered should appear in the window. From this [http://tech.dir.groups.yahoo.com/group/amiga-jabberwocky/message/1378 JW group] guide which helps with this process in a clear, step by step procedure. 1. Sign up on MSN's site for a passport account. This typically involves getting a Hotmail address. 2. Log on to the Jabber server of your choice and do the following: * Select the "Windows/Agents" menu option in Jabberwocky. * Select the MSN Agent from the list presented by the server. * Click the Register button to open a new window asking for: **Username = passort account email address, typically your hotmail address. **Nick = Screen name to be shown to anyone you add to your buddy list. **Password = Password for your passport account/hotmail address. * Click the Register button at the bottom of the new window. 3. If all goes well, you will see the MSN Gateway added to your buddy list. If not, repeat part 2 on another server. Some servers may show MSN in their list of available agents, but have not updated their software for the latest protocols used by MSN. 4. Once you are registered, you can now add people to your buddy list. Note that you need to include the '''msn.''' ahead of the servername so that it knows what gateway agent to use. Some servers may use a slight variation and require '''msg.gate.''' before the server name, so try both to see what works. If my friend's msn was amiga@hotmail.co.uk and my jabber server was @jabber.meta.net.nz.. then amiga'''%'''hotmail.com@'''msn.'''jabber.meta.net.nz or another the trick to import MSN contacts is that you don't type the hotmail URL but the passport URL... e.g. Instead of: goodvibe%hotmail.com@msn.jabber.com You type: goodvibe%passport.com@msn.jabber.com And the thing about importing contacts I'm afraid you'll have to do it by hand, one at the time... Google Talk any XMPP server will work, but you have to add your contacts manually. a google talk user is typically either @gmail.com or @talk.google.com. a true gtalk transport is nice because it brings your contacts to you and (can) also support file transfers to/from google talk users. implement Jingle a set of extensions to the IETF's Extensible Messaging and Presence Protocol (XMPP) support ended early 2014 as Google moved to Google+ Hangouts which uses it own proprietary format ===Video Player MPlayer=== Many of the menu features (such as doubling) do not work with the current version of mplayer but using 4:3 mplayer -vf scale=800:600 file.avi 16:9 mplayer -vf scale=854:480 file.avi if you want gui use; mplayer -gui 1 <other params> file.avi <pre > stack 1000000 ; using AspireOS 1.xx ; copy FROM SYS:Extras/Multimedia/MPlayer/ TO RAM:MPlayer ALL CLONE > Nil: ; using Icaros Desktop 1.x ; copy FROM SYS:Tools/MPlayer/ TO RAM:MPlayer ALL CLONE > Nil: ; using Icaros Desktop 2.x ; copy FROM SYS:Utilities/MPlayer/ TO RAM:MPlayer ALL CLONE > Nil: cd RAM:MPlayer run MPlayer -gui > Nil: ;run MPlayer -gui -ao ahi_dev -playlist http://www.radio-paralax.de/listen.pls > Nil: </pre > $ mplayer rtsp://127.0.0.1:554/sample_300kbit.mp4 MPlayer supports multicast streaming, and rtp/rtsp protocols (it might require [http://www.live555.com/openRTSP/ live555 library] to work with some streams). But you might have to build it where it's disabled. Also, multicast won't work with some AmiTCP-likes. MIAMI supported it, though. AROS supports IPv4 (old but works) and this includes the needed address space for RTP. If you mean multicast via RTP - mplayer handles it. You can even force UDP over TCP -rtsp-stream-over-tcp If the rtsp Real Time Streaming Protocol server needs authentification: -user -passwd MPlayer - Menu - Open Playlist and load already downloaded .pls or .m3u file - auto starts around 4 percent cache MPlayer - Menu - Open Stream and copy one of the .pls lines below into space allowed, press OK and press play button on main gui interface Old 8bit 16bit remixes chip tune game music http://www.radio-paralax.de/listen.pls http://scenesat.com/ http://www.shoutcast.com/radio/Amiga http://www.theoldcomputer.com/retro_radio/RetroRadio_Main.htm http://www.kohina.com/ http://www.remix64.com/ http://retrogamer.net/forum/ http://retroasylum.podomatic.com/rss2.xml http://retrogamesquad.com/ http://www.retronauts.com/ http://monsterfeet.com/noquarter/ http://www.retrogamingradio.com/ http://www.radiofeeds.co.uk/mp3.asp [[#top|...to the top]] ====ZunePaint==== simplified typical workflow * importing and organizing and photo management * making global and regional local correction(s) - recalculation is necessary after each adjustment as it is not in real-time * exporting your images in the best format available with the preservation of metadata Whilst achieving 80% of a great photo with just a filter, the remaining 20% comes from a manual fine-tuning of specific image attributes. For photojournalism, documentary, and event coverage, minimal touching is recommended. Stick to Camera Raw for such shots, and limit changes to level adjustment, sharpness, noise reduction, and white balance correction. For fashion or portrait shoots, a large amount of adjustment is allowed and usually ends up far from the original. Skin smoothing, blemish removal, eye touch-ups, etc. are common. Might alter the background a bit to emphasize the subject. Product photography usually requires a lot of sharpening, spot removal, and focus stacking. For landscape shots, best results are achieved by doing the maximum amount of preparation before/while taking the shot. No amount of processing can match timing, proper lighting, correct gear, optimal settings, etc. Excessive post-processing might give you a dramatic shot but best avoided in the long term. * White Balance - Left Amiga or F12 and K and under "Misc color effects" tab with a pull down for White Balance - color temperature also known as AKA tint (movies) or tones (painting) - warm temp raise red reduce green blue - cool raise blue lower red green * Exposure - exposure compensation, highlight/shadow recovery * Noise Reduction - during RAW development or using external software * Lens Corrections - distortion, vignetting, chromatic aberrations * Detail - capture sharpening and local contrast enhancement * Contrast - black point, levels (sliders) and curves tools (F12 and K) * Framing - straighten () and crop (F12 and F) * Refinements - color adjustments and selective enhancements - Left Amiga or F12 and K for RGB and YUV histogram tabs - * Resizing - enlarge for a print or downsize for the web or email (F12 and D) * Output Sharpening - customized for your subject matter and print/screen size White Balance - F12 and K scan your image for a shade which was meant to be white (neutral with each RGB value being equal) like paper or plastic which is in the same light as the subject of the picture. Use the dropper tool to select this color, similar colours will shift and you will have selected the perfect white balance for your part of the image - for the whole picture make sure RAZ or CLR button at the bottom is pressed before applying to the image above. Exposure correction F12 and K - YUV Y luminosity - RGB extra red tint - move red curve slightly down and move blue green curves slightly up Workflows in practice * Undo - Right AROS key or F12 and Z * Redo - Right AROS key or F12 and R First flatten your image (if necessary) and then do a rotation until the picture looks level. * Crop the picture. Click the selection button and drag a box over the area of the picture you want to keep. Press the crop button and the rest of the photo will be gone. * Adjust your saturation, exposure, hue levels, etc., (right AROS Key and K for color correction) until you are happy with the photo. Make sure you zoom in all of the way to 100% and look the photo over, zoom back out and move around. Look for obvious problems with the picture. * After coloring and exposure do a sharpen (Right AROS key and E for Convolution and select drop down option needed), e.g. set the matrix to 5x5 (roughly equivalent Amount to 60%) and set the Radius to 1.0. Click OK. And save your picture Implemented or would like to see for simplification and ease of use basic filters (presets) like black and white, monochrome, edge detection (sobel), motion/gaussian blur, * negative, sepiatone, retro vintage, night vision, colour tint, color gradient, color temperature, glows, fire, lightning, lens flare, emboss, filmic, pixelate mezzotint, antialias, etc. adjust / cosmetic tools such as crop, * reshaping tools, straighten, smear, smooth, perspective, liquify, bloat, pucker, push pixels in any direction, dispersion, transform like warp, blending with soft light, page-curl, whirl, ripple, fisheye, neon, etc. * red eye fixing, blemish remover, skin smoothing, teeth whitener, make eyes look brighter, desaturate, effects like oil paint, cartoon, pencil sketch, charcoal, noise/matrix like sharpen/unsharpen, (right AROS key with A for Artistic effects) * blend two image, gradient blend, masking blend, explode, implode, custom collage, surreal painting, comic book style, needlepoint, stained glass, watercolor, mosaic, stencil/outline, crayon, chalk, etc. borders such as * dropshadow, rounded, blurred, color tint, picture frame, film strip polaroid, bevelled edge, etc. brushes e.g. * frost, smoke, etc. and manual control of fix lens issues including vignetting (darkening), color fringing and barrel distortion, and chromatic and geometric aberration - lens and body profiles perspective correction levels - directly modify the levels of the tone-values of an image, by using sliders for highlights, midtones and shadows curves - Color Adjustment and Brightness/Contrast color balance one single color transparent (alpha channel (color information/selections) for masking and/or blending ) for backgrounds, etc. Threshold indicates how much other colors will be considered mixture of the removed color and non-removed colors decompose layer into a set of layers with each holding a different type of pattern that is visible within the image any selection using any selecting tools like lasso tool, marquee tool etc. the selection will temporarily be save to alpha If you create your image without transparency then the Alpha channel is not present, but you can add later. File formats like .psd (Photoshop file has layers, masks etc. contains edited sensor data. The original sensor data is no longer available) .xcf .raw .hdr Image Picture Formats * low dynamic range (JPEG, PNG, TIFF 8-bit), 16-bit (PPM, TIFF), typically as a 16-bit TIFF in either ProPhoto or AdobeRGB colorspace - TIFF files are also fairly universal – although, if they contain proprietary data, such as Photoshop Adjustment Layers or Smart Filters, then they can only be opened by Photoshop making them proprietary. * linear high dynamic range (HDR) images (PFM, [http://www.openexr.com/ ILM .EXR], jpg, [http://aminet.net/util/dtype cr2] (canon tiff based), hdr, NEF, CRW, ARW, MRW, ORF, RAF (Fuji), PEF, DCR, SRF, ERF, DNG files are RAW converted to an Adobe proprietary format - a container that can embed the raw file as well as the information needed to open it) An old version of [http://archives.aros-exec.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/convert dcraw] There is no single RAW file format. Each camera manufacturer has one or more unique RAW formats. RAW files contain the brightness levels data captured by the camera sensor. This data cannot be modified. A second smaller file, separate XML file, or within a database with instructions for the RAW processor to change exposure, saturation etc. The extra data can be changed but the original sensor data is still there. RAW is technically least compatible. A raw file is high-bit (usually 12 or 14 bits of information) but a camera-generated TIFF file will be usually converted by the camera (compressed, downsampled) to 8 bits. The raw file has no embedded color balance or color space, but the TIFF has both. These three things (smaller bit depth, embedded color balance, and embedded color space) make it so that the TIFF will lose quality more quickly with image adjustments than the raw file. The camera-generated TIFF image is much more like a camera processed JPEG than a raw file. A strong advantage goes to the raw file. The power of RAW files, such as the ability to set any color temperature non-destructively and will contain more tonal values. The principle of preserving the maximum amount of information to as late as possible in the process. The final conversion - which will always effectively represent a "downsampling" - should prevent as much loss as possible. Once you save it as TIFF, you throw away some of that data irretrievably. When saving in the lossy JPEG format, you get tremendous file size savings, but you've irreversibly thrown away a lot of image data. As long as you have the RAW file, original or otherwise, you have access to all of the image data as captured. Keyboard equivalence with Photoshop(tm) would help File PHOTOSHOP SHORTCUT GIMP New Ctrl+n New Open Ctrl+o Open Close Ctrl+w Close Save Ctrl+s Save Save as Shift+Ctrl+s Save as Revert F12 Revert Print Ctrl+p Print Exit Ctrl+q Quit Edit PHOTOSHOP SHORTCUT GIMP Undo/Redo (1 level) Ctrl+z Undo (Redo is Shift+Ctrl+z) Cut Ctrl+x Cut Copy Ctrl+c Copy Paste Ctrl+v Paste Paste Into Shift+Ctrl+v Paste Into Fill with FG color Alt+Backspace Fill with FG color Fill with BG color Control+Backspace Fill with BG color Image/Colors PHOTOSHOP SHORTCUT GIMP Levels Ctrl+l Levels Auto Contrast Shift+Ctrl+Alt+l Stretch Contrast (same?) Curves Ctrl+m Curves Color Balance Ctrl+b Color Balance Hue/Saturation Ctrl+u Hue-Saturation Desaturate Shift+Ctrl+u Desaturate Invert Ctrl+i Invert Default Colors d Default Colors Switch Colors x Switch Colors Layer PHOTOSHOP SHORTCUT GIMP New Layer Shift+Ctrl+n New Layer Layer via Copy Ctrl+j Duplicate Layer Bring (layer) to Front Shift+Ctrl+] Layer to Top Send (layer) to Back Shift+Ctrl+[ Layer to Bottom Bring (layer) Forward Ctrl+] Raise Layer Send (layer) Backward Ctrl+[ Lower Layer Select Top Layer Shift+Alt+] Select Top Layer Select Bottom Layer Shift+Alt+[ Select Bottom Layer Select One Layer Forward Alt+] Select Previous Layer Select One Layer Backward Alt+[ Select Next Layer Merge Down Ctrl+e Merge Down Merge Visible Shift+Ctrl+e Merge Visible Preserve Transparency / Keep Transparency Cycle Modes Forwards Shift+= Next Layer Mode Cycle Modes Backwards Shift+- Previous Layer Mode Select PHOTOSHOP SHORTCUT GIMP Select All Ctrl+a Select All Deselect Ctrl+d Select None Inverse Shift+Ctrl+i Invert Feather Ctrl+Alt+d Feather View PHOTOSHOP SHORTCUT GIMP Zoom In Ctrl+= Zoom In Zoom Out Ctrl+- Zoom Out Fit on Screen Ctrl+0 Zoom to Fit Window Actual Pixels Ctrl+Alt+0 Zoom 1:1 Show/Hide Extras Ctrl+h Toggle Show Selection (close enough?) Show/Hide Guides Ctrl+' Toggle Show Guides Show/Hide Grid Ctrl+Alt+' Toggle Show Grid Show/Hide Rulers Ctrl+r Toggle Show Rulers Snap Ctrl+; Snap to Guides Scroll View Up Page Up Scroll Page Up Scroll View Down Page Down Scroll Page Down Scroll View Left Ctrl+Page Up Scroll Page Left Scroll View Right Ctrl+Page Down Scroll Page Right Window/Dialogs PHOTOSHOP SHORTCUT GIMP ? F5 Tools Dialog Color Tab F6 Colors Dialog Layers Tab F7 Layers Dialog Info Tab F8 Image Information Tools PHOTOSHOP SHORTCUT GIMP Rectangular Marquee Tool m Rect Select Tool Elliptical Marquee Tool Shift+m Ellipse Select Tool *This is a toggle between 'Elliptical Marquee Tool' and 'Rectangular Marquee Tool' in Photoshop Move Tool v Move Tool Lasso Tool l Free Select Tool Magic Wand Tool w Fuzzy Select Tool Crop Tool c Crop & Resize Tool Airbrush Tool j Airbrush Tool Paintbrush Tool b Paintbrush Tool Clone Stamp Tool s Clone Stamp Tool Eraser Tool e Eraser Tool Gradient Tool g Blend Tool Paint Bucket Tool Shift+g Bucket Fill Tool *This is a toggle between 'Paint Bucket Tool' and 'Gradient Tool' in Photoshop Blur Tool r Convolve Tool Dodge Tool o DodgeBurn Tool Type Tool t Text Tool Pen Tool p Bezier Select Tool Eye Dropper Tool i Color Picker Tool Zoom Tool z Magnify Tool Previous Brush , Previous Brush Next Brush . Next Brush First Brush Shift+< First Brush Last Brush Shift+> Last Brush Decrease Brush Size [ Decrease Brush Size Increase Brush Size ] Increase Brush Size Decrease Brush Hardness { Decrease Brush Hardness Increase Brush Hardness } Increase Brush Hardness Help PHOTOSHOP SHORTCUT GIMP Help F1 Help Context Help Shift+F1 Context Help Misc. PHOTOSHOP SHORTCUT GIMP Last Filter Ctrl+f Repeat Last Filter ? Shift+Ctrl+f Reshow Last Filter Preferences Ctrl+k Preferences Liquify Shift+Ctrl+x IWarp (close enough?) Toggle Quick Mask q Toggle Quick Mask Spotlights - triangle of white opaque shape Cutting out and/or replacing unwanted background or features - select large areas with the selection option like the Magic Wand tool (aka Color Range) or the Lasso (quick and fast) with feather 2 to soften edge or the pen tool which adds points/lines/Bézier curves (better control but slower), hold down the shift button as you click to add extra points/areas of the subject matter to remove. Increase the tolerance to cover more areas. To subtract from your selection hold down alt as you're clicking. * Layer masks are a better way of working than Erase they clip (black hides/hidden white visible/reveal). Clone Stamp can be simulated by and brushes for other areas. * Leave the fine details like hair, fur, etc. to later with lasso and the shift key to draw a line all the way around your subject. Gradient Mapping - Inverse - Mask. i.e. Refine your selected image with edge detection and using the radius and edge options / adjuster (increase/decrease contrast) so that you will capture more fine detail from the background allowing easier removal. Remove fringe/halo saving image as png rather than jpg/jpeg to keep transparency background intact. Implemented [http://colorizer.org/ colour model representations] [http://paulbourke.net/texture_colour/colourspace/ Mathematical approach] - Photo stills are spatially 2d (h and w), but are colorimetrically 3d (r g and b, or H L S, or Y U V etc.) as well. * RGB - split cubed mapped color model for photos and computer graphics hardware using the light spectrum (adding and subtracting) * YUV - Y-Lightness U-blue/yellow V-red/cyan (similar to YPbPr and YCbCr) used in the PAL, NTSC, and SECAM composite digital TV color [http://crewofone.com/2012/chroma-subsampling-and-transcoding/#comment-7299 video] Histograms White balanced (neutral) if the spike happens in the same place in each channel of the RGB graphs. If not, you're not balanced. If you have sky you'll see the blue channel further off to the right. RGB is best one to change colours. These elements RGB is a 3-channel format containing data for Red, Green, and Blue in your photo scale between 0 and 255. The area in a picture that appears to be brighter/whiter contains more red color as compared to the area which is relatively darker. Similarly in the green channel the area that appears to be darker contains less amount of green color as compared to the area that appears to be brighter. Similarly in the blue channel the area appears to be darker contains less amount of blue color as compared to the area that appears to be brighter. Brightness luminance histogram also matches the green histogram more than any other color - human eye interprets green better e.g. RGB rough ratio 15/55/30% RGBA (RGB+A, A means alpha channel) . The alpha channel is used for "alpha compositing", which can mostly be associated as "opacity". AROS deals in RGB with two digits for every color (red, green, blue), in ARGB you have two additional hex digits for the alpha channel. The shadows are represented by the left third of the graph. The highlights are represented by the right third. And the midtones are, of course, in the middle. The higher the black peaks in the graph, the more pixels are concentrated in that tonal range (total black area). By moving the black endpoint, which identifies the shadows (darkness) and a white light endpoint (brightness) up and down either sides of the graph, colors are adjusted based on these points. By dragging the central one, can increased the midtones and control the contrast, raise shadows levels, clip or softly eliminate unsafe levels, alter gamma, etc... in a way that is much more precise and creative . RGB Curves * Move left endpoint (black point) up or right endpoint (white point) up brightens * Move left endpoint down or right endpoint down darkens Color Curves * Dragging up on the Red Curve increases the intensity of the reds in the image but * Dragging down on the Red Curve decreases the intensity of the reds and thus increases the apparent intensity of its complimentary color, cyan. Green’s complimentary color is magenta, and blue’s is yellow. <pre> Red <-> Cyan Green <->Magenta Blue <->Yellow </pre> YUV Best option to analyse and pull out statistical elements of any picture (i.e. separate luminance data from color data). The line in Y luma tone box represents the brightness of the image with the point in the bottom left been black, and the point in the top right as white. A low-contrast image has a concentrated clump of values nearer to the center of the graph. By comparison, a high-contrast image has a wider distribution of values across the entire width of the Histogram. A histogram that is skewed to the right would indicate a picture that is a bit overexposed because most of the color data is on the lighter side (increase exposure with higher value F), while a histogram with the curve on the left shows a picture that is underexposed. This is good information to have when using post-processing software because it shows you not only where the color data exists for a given picture, but also where any data has been clipped (extremes on edges of either side): that is, it does not exist and, therefore, cannot be edited. By dragging the endpoints of the line and as well as the central one, can increased the dark/shadows, midtones and light/bright parts and control the contrast, raise shadows levels, clip or softly eliminate unsafe levels, alter gamma, etc... in a way that is much more precise and creative . The U and V chroma parts show color difference components of the image. It’s useful for checking whether or not the overall chroma is too high, and also whether it’s being limited too much Can be used to create a negative image but also With U (Cb), the higher value you are, the more you're on the blue primary color. If you go to the low values then you're on blue complementary color, i.e. yellow. With V (Cr), this is the same principle but with Red and Cyan. e.g. If you push U full blue and V full red, you get magenta. If you push U full yellow and V full Cyan then you get green. YUV simultaneously adds to one side of the color equation while subtracting from the other. using YUV to do color correction can be very problematic because each curve alters the result of each other: the mutual influence between U and V often makes things tricky. You may also be careful in what you do to avoid the raise of noise (which happens very easily). Best results are obtained with little adjustments sunset that looks uninspiring and needs some color pop especially for the rays over the hill, a subtle contrast raise while setting luma values back to the legal range without hard clipping. ====Lunapaint==== Pixel based drawing app with onion-skin animation function Blocking, Shading, Coloring, adding detail <pre> b BRUSH e ERASER alt eyedropper v layer tool z ZOOM / MAGNIFY < > n spc panning m marque q lasso w same color selection / region </pre> <pre> , LM RM v V f filter F . size p , pick color [] last / next color </pre> There is not much missing in Lunapaint to be as good as FlipBook and then you have to take into account that Flipbook is considered to be amongst the best and easiest to use animation software out there. Ok to be honest Flipbook has some nice features that require more heavy work but those aren't so much needed right away, things like camera effects, sound, smart fill, export to different movie file formats etc. Tried Flipbook with my tablet and compared it to Luna. The feeling is the same when sketching. LunaPaint is very responsive/fluent to draw with. Just as Flipbook is, and that responsiveness is something its users have mentioned as one of the positive sides of said software. author was learning MUI. Some parts just have to be rewritten with proper MUI classes before new features can be added. * add [Frame Add] / [Frame Del] * whole animation feature is impossible to use. If you draw 2 color maybe but if you start coloring your cells then you get in trouble * pickup the entire image as a brush, not just a selection ? And consequently remove the brush from memory when one doesn't need it anymore. can pick up a brush and put it onto a new image but cropping isn't possible, nor to load/save brushes. * Undo is something I longed for ages in Lunapaint. * to import into the current layer, other types of images (e.g. JPEG) besides RAW64. * implement graphic tablet features support **GENERAL DRAWING** Miss it very much: UNDO ERASER COLORPICKER - has to show on palette too which color got picked. BACKGROUND COLOR -Possibility to select from "New project screen" Miss it somewhat: ICON for UNDO ICON for ERASER ICON for CLEAR SCREEN ( What can I say? I start over from scratch very often ) BRUSH - possibility to cut out as brush not just copy off image to brush **ANIMATING** Miss it very much: NUMBER OF CELLS - Possibity to change total no. of cells during project ANIM BRUSH - Possibility to pick up a selected part of cells into an animbrush Miss it somewhat: ADD/REMOVE FRAMES: Add/remove single frame In general LunaPaint is really well done and it feels like a new DeluxePaint version. It works with my tablet. Sure there's much missing of course but things can always be added over time. So there is great potential in LunaPaint that's for sure. Animations could be made in it and maybe put together in QuickVideo, saving in .gif or .mng etc some day. LAYERS -Layers names don't get saved globally in animation frames -Layers order don't change globally in an animation (perhaps as default?). EXPORTING IMAGES -Exporting frames to JPG/PNG gives problems with colors. (wrong colors. See my animatiopn --> My robot was blue now it's "gold" ) I think this only happens if you have layers. -Trying to flatten the layers before export doesn't work if you have animation frames only the one you have visible will flatten properly all other frames are destroyed. (Only one of the layers are visible on them) -Exporting images filenames should be for example e.g. file0001, file0002...file0010 instead as of now file1, file2...file10 LOAD/SAVE (Preferences) -Make a setting for the default "Work" folder. * Destroyed colors if exported image/frame has layers * mystic color cycling of the selected color while stepping frames back/forth (annoying) <pre> Deluxe Paint II enhanced key shortcuts NOTE: @ denotes the ALT key [Technique] F1 - Paint F2 - Single Colour F3 - Replace F4 - Smear F5 - Shade F6 - Cycle F7 - Smooth M - Colour Cycle [Brush] B - Restore O - Outline h - Halve brush size H - Double brush size x - Flip brush on X axis X - Double brush size on X axis only y - Flip on Y Y - Double on Y z - Rotate brush 90 degrees Z - Stretch [Stencil] ` - Stencil On [Miscellaneous] F9 - Info Bar F10 - Selection Bar @o - Co-Ordinates @a - Anti-alias @r - Colourise @t - Translucent TAB - Colour Cycle [Picture] L - Load S - Save j - Page to Spare(Flip) J - Page to Spare(Copy) V - View Page Q - Quit [General Keys] m - Magnify < - Zoom In > - Zoom Out [ - Palette Colour Up ] - Palette Colour Down ( - Palette Colour Left ) - Palette Colour Right , - Eye Dropper . - Pixel / Brush Toggle / - Symmetry | - Co-Ordinates INS - Perspective Control +/- - Brush Size (Fine Control) w - Unfilled Polygon W - Filled Polygon e - Unfilled Ellipse E - Filled Ellipse r - Unfilled Rectangle R - Filled Rectangle t - Type/text tool a - Select Font u/U - Undo d - Brush D - Filled Non-Uniform Polygon f/F - Fill Options g/G - Grid h/H - Brush Size (Coarse Control) K - Clear c - Unfilled Circle C - Filled Circle v - Line b - Scissor Select and Toggle B - Brush {,} - Toggle between two background colours </pre> ====Lodepaint==== Pixel based painting artwork app ====Grafx2==== Pixel based painting artwork app aesprite like [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59Y6OTzNrhk aesprite workflow keys and tablet use], [], ====Vector Graphics ZuneFIG==== Vector Image Editing of files .svg .ps .eps *Objects - raise lower rotate flip aligning snapping *Path - unify subtract intersect exclude divide *Colour - fill stroke *Stroke - size *Brushes - *Layers - *Effects - gaussian bevels glows shadows *Text - *Transform - AmiFIG ([http://epb.lbl.gov/xfig/frm_introduction.html xfig manual]) [[File:MyScreen.png|thumb|left|alt=Showing all Windows open in AmiFIG.|All windows available to AmiFIG.]] for drawing simple to intermediate vector graphic images for scientific and technical uses and for illustration purposes for those with talent ;Menu options * Load - fig format but import(s) SVG * Save - fig format but export(s) eps, ps, pdf, svg and png * PAN = Ctrl + Arrow keys * Deselect all points There is no selected object until you apply the tool, and the selected object is not highlighted. ;Metrics - to set up page and styles - first window to open on new drawings ;Tools - Drawing Primitives - set Attributes window first before clicking any Tools button(s) * Shapes - circles, ellipses, arcs, splines, boxes, polygon * Lines - polylines * Text "T" button * Photos - bitmaps * Compound - Glue, Break, Scale * POINTs - Move, Add, Remove * Objects - Move, Copy, Delete, Mirror, Rotate, Paste use right mouse button to stop extra lines, shapes being formed and the left mouse to select/deselect tools button(s) * Rotate - moves in 90 degree turns centered on clicked POINT of a polygon or square ;Attributes which provide change(s) to the above primitives * Color * Line Width * Line Style * arrowheads ;Modes Choose from freehand, charts, figures, magnet, etc. ;Library - allows .fig clip-art to be stored * compound tools to add .fig(s) together ;FIG 3.2 [http://epb.lbl.gov/xfig/fig-format.html Format] as produced by xfig version 3.2.5 <pre> Landscape Center Inches Letter 100.00 Single -2 1200 2 4 0 0 50 -1 0 12 0.0000 4 135 1050 1050 2475 This is a test.01 </pre> # change the text alignment within the textbox. I can choose left, center, or right aligned by either changing the integer in the second column from 0 (left) to 1 or 2 (center, or right). # The third integer in the row specifies fontcolor. For instance, 0 is black, but blue is 1 and Green3 is 13. # The sixth integer in the bottom row specifies fontface. 0 is Times-Roman, but 16 is Helvetica (a MATLAB default). # The seventh number is fontsize. 12 represents a 12pt fontsize. Changing the fontsize of an item really is as easy as changing that number to 20. # The next number is the counter-clockwise angle of the text. Notice that I have changed the angle to .7854 (pi/4 rounded to four digits=45 degrees). # twelfth number is the position according to the standard “x-axis” in Xfig units from the left. Note that 1200 Xfig units is equivalent to once inch. # thirteenth number is the “y-position” from the top using the same unit convention as before. * The nested text string is what you entered into the textbox. * The “01″ present at the end of that line in the .fig file is the closing tag. For instance, a change to \100 appends a @ symbol at the end of the period of that sentence. ; Just to note there are no layers, no 3d functions, no shading, no transparency, no animation [[#top|...to the top]] ===Audio=== # AHI uses linear panning/balance, which means that in the center, you will get -6dB. If an app uses panning, this is what you will get. Note that apps like Audio Evolution need panning, so they will have this problem. # When using AHI Hifi modes, mixing is done in 32-bit and sent as 32-bit data to the driver. The Envy24HT driver uses that to output at 24-bit (always). # For the Envy24/Envy24HT, I've made 16-bit and 24-bit inputs (called Line-in 16-bit, Line-in 24-bit etc.). There is unfortunately no app that can handle 24-bit recording. ====Music Mods==== Digital module (mods) trackers are music creation software using samples and sometimes soundfonts, audio plugins (VST, AU or RTAS), MIDI. Generally, MODs are similar to MIDI in that they contain note on/off and other sequence messages that control the mod player. Unlike (most) midi files, however, they also contain sound samples that the sequence information actually plays. MOD files can have many channels (classic amiga mods have 4, corresponding to the inbuilt sound channels), but unlike MIDI, each channel can typically play only one note at once. However, since that note might be a sample of a chord, a drumloop or other complex sound, this is not as limiting as it sounds. Like MIDI, notes will play indefinitely if they're not instructed to end. Most trackers record this information automatically if you play your music in live. If you're using manual note entry, you can enter a note-off command with a keyboard shortcut - usually Caps Lock. In fact when considering file size MOD is not always the best option. Even a dummy song wastes few kilobytes for nothing when a simple SID tune could be few hundreds bytes and not bigger than 64kB. AHX is another small format, AHX tunes are never larger than 64kB excluding comments. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXXsZfwgil Protrekkr] (previously aka [w:Juan_Antonio_Arguelles_Rius|NoiseTrekkr]) If Protrekkr does not start, please check if the Unit 0 has been setup in the AHI prefs and still not, go to the directory utilities/protrekkr and double click on the Protrekkr icon *Sample *Note - Effect *Track (column) - Pattern - Order It all starts with the Sample which is used to create Note(s) in a Track (column of a tracker) The Note can be changed with an Effect. A Track of Note(s) can be collected into a Pattern (section of a song) and these can be given Order to create the whole song. Patience (notes have to be entered one at a time) or playing the bassline on a midi controller (faster - see midi section above). Best approach is to wait until a melody popped into your head. *Up-tempo means the track should be reasonably fast, but not super-fast. *Groovy and funky imply the track should have some sort of "swing" feel, with plenty of syncopation or off beat emphasis and a recognizable, melodic bass line. *Sweet and happy mean upbeat melodies, a major key and avoiding harsh sounds. *Moody - minor key First, create a quick bass sound, which is basically a sine wave, but can be hand drawn for a little more variance. It could also work for the melody part, too. This is usually a bass guitar or some kind of synthesizer bass. The bass line is often forgotten by inexperienced composers, but it plays an important role in a musical piece. Together with the rhythm section the bass line forms the groove of a song. It's the glue between the rhythm section and the melodic layer of a song. The drums are just pink noise samples, played at different frequencies to get a slightly different sound for the kick, snare, and hihats. Instruments that fall into the rhythm category are bass drums, snares, hi-hats, toms, cymbals, congas, tambourines, shakers, etc. Any percussive instrument can be used to form part of the rhythm section. The lead is the instrument that plays the main melody, on top of the chords. There are many instruments that can play a lead section, like a guitar, a piano, a saxophone or a flute. The list is almost endless. There is a lot of overlap with instruments that play chords. Often in one piece an instrument serves both roles. The lead melody is often played at a higher pitch than the chords. Listened back to what was produced so far, and a counter-melody can be imagined, which can be added with a triangle wave. To give the ends of phrases some life, you can add a solo part with a crunchy synth. By hitting random notes in the key of G, then edited a few of them. For the climax of the song, filled out the texture with a gentle high-pitch pad… …and a grungy bass synth. The arrow at A points at the pattern order list. As you see, the patterns don't have to be in numerical order. This song starts with pattern "00", then pattern "02", then "03", then "01", etcetera. Patterns may be repeated throughout a song. The B arrow points at the song title. Below it are the global BPM and speed parameters. These determine the tempo of the song, unless the tempo is altered through effect commands during the song. The C arrow points at the list of instruments. An instrument may consist of multiple samples. Which sample will be played depends on the note. This can be set in the Instrument Editing screen. Most instruments will consist of just one sample, though. The sample list for the selected instrument can be found under arrow D. Here's a part of the main editing screen. This is where you put in actual notes. Up to 32 channels can be used, meaning 32 sounds can play simultaneously. The first six channels of pattern "03" at order "02" are shown here. The arrow at A points at the row number. The B arrow points at the note to play, in this case a C4. The column pointed at by the C arrow tells us which instrument is associated with that note, in this case instrument #1 "Kick". The column at D is used (mainly) for volume commands. In this case it is left empty which means the instrument should play at its default volume. You can see the volume column being used in channel #6. The E column tells us which effect to use and any parameters for that effect. In this case it holds the "F" effect, which is a tempo command. The "04" means it should play at tempo 4 (a smaller number means faster). Base pattern When I create a new track I start with what I call the base pattern. It is worthwhile to spend some time polishing it as a lot of the ideas in the base pattern will be copied and used in other patterns. At least, that's how I work. Every musician will have his own way of working. In "Wild Bunnies" the base pattern is pattern "03" at order "02". In the section about selecting samples I talked about the four different categories of instruments: drums, bass, chords and leads. That's also how I usually go about making the base pattern. I start by making a drum pattern, then add a bass line, place some chords and top it off with a lead. This forms the base pattern from which the rest of the song will grow. Drums Here's a screenshot of the first four rows of the base pattern. I usually reserve the first four channels or so for the drum instruments. Right away there are a couple of tricks shown here. In the first channel the kick, or bass drum, plays some notes. Note the alternating F04 and F02 commands. The "F" command alters the tempo of the song and by quickly alternating the tempo; the song will get some kind of "swing" feel. In the second channel the closed hi-hat plays a fairly simple pattern. Further down in the channel, not shown here, some open hi-hat notes are added for a bit of variation. In the third and fourth channel the snare sample plays. The "8" command is for panning. One note is panned hard to the left and the other hard to the right. One sample is played a semitone lower than the other. This results in a cool flanging effect. It makes the snare stand out a little more in the mix. Bass line There are two different instruments used for the bass line. Instrument #6 is a pretty standard synthesized bass sound. Instrument #A sounds a bit like a slap bass when used with a quick fade out. By using two different instruments the bass line sounds a bit more ”human”. The volume command is used to cut off the notes. However, it is never set to zero. Setting the volume to a very small value will result in a reverb-like effect. This makes the song sound more "live". The bass line hints at the chords that will be played and the key the song will be in. In this case the key of the song is D-major, a positive and happy key. Chords The D major chords that are being played here are chords stabs; short sounds with a quick decay (fade out). Two different instruments (#8 and #9) are used to form the chords. These instruments are quite similar, but have a slightly different sound, panning and volume decay. Again, the reason for this is to make the sound more human. The volume command is used on some chords to simulate a delay, to achieve more of a live feel. The chords are placed off-beat making for a funky rhythm. Lead Finally the lead melody is added. The other instruments are invaluable in holding the track together, but the lead melody is usually what catches people's attention. A lot of notes and commands are used here, but it looks more complex than it is. A stepwise ascending melody plays in channel 13. Channel 14 and 15 copy this melody, but play it a few rows later at a lower volume. This creates an echo effect. A bit of panning is used on the notes to create some stereo depth. Like with the bass line, instead of cutting off notes the volume is set to low values for a reverb effect. The "461" effect adds a little vibrato to the note, which sounds nice on sustained notes. Those paying close attention may notice the instrument used here for the lead melody is the same as the one used for the bass line (#6 "Square"), except played two or three octaves higher. This instrument is a looped square wave sample. Each type of wave has its own quirks, but the square wave (shown below) is a really versatile wave form. Song structure Good, catchy songs are often carefully structured into sections, some of which are repeated throughout the song with small variations. A typical pop-song structure is: Intro - Verse - Chorus - Verse - Chorus - Bridge - Chorus. Other single sectional song structures are <pre> Strophic or AAA Song Form - oldest story telling with refrain (often title of the song) repeated in every verse section melody AABA Song Form - early popular, jazz and gospel fading during the 1960s AB or Verse/Chorus Song Form - songwriting format of choice for modern popular music since the 1960s Verse/Chorus/Bridge Song Form ABAB Song Form ABAC Song Form ABCD Song Form AAB 12-Bar Song Form - three four-bar lines or sub-sections 8-Bar Song Form 16-Bar Song Form Hybrid / Compound Song Forms </pre> The most common building blocks are: #INTRODUCTION(INTRO) #VERSE #REFRAIN #PRE-CHORUS / RISE / CLIMB #CHORUS #BRIDGE #MIDDLE EIGHT #SOLO / INSTRUMENTAL BREAK #COLLISION #CODA / OUTRO #AD LIB (OFTEN IN CODA / OUTRO) The chorus usually has more energy than the verse and often has a memorable melody line. As the chorus is repeated the most often during the song, it will be the part that people will remember. The bridge often marks a change of direction in the song. It is not uncommon to change keys in the bridge, or at least to use a different chord sequence. The bridge is used to build up tension towards the big finale, the last repetition of chorus. Playing RCTRL: Play song from row 0. LSHIFT + RCTRL: Play song from current row. RALT: Play pattern from row 0. LSHIFT + RALT: Play pattern from current row. Left mouse on '>': Play song from row 0. Right mouse on '>': Play song from current row. Left mouse on '|>': Play pattern from row 0. Right mouse on '|>': Play pattern from current row. Left mouse on 'Edit/Record': Edit mode on/off. Right mouse on 'Edit/Record': Record mode on/off. Editing LSHIFT + ESCAPE: Switch large patterns view on/off TAB: Go to next track LSHIFT + TAB: Go to prev. track LCTRL + TAB: Go to next note in track LCTRL + LSHIFT + TAB: Go to prev. note in track SPACE: Toggle Edit mode On & Off (Also stop if the song is being played) SHIFT SPACE: Toggle Record mode On & Off (Wait for a key note to be pressed or a midi in message to be received) DOWN ARROW: 1 Line down UP ARROW: 1 Line up LEFT ARROW: 1 Row left RIGHT ARROW: 1 Row right PREV. PAGE: 16 Arrows Up NEXT PAGE: 16 Arrows Down HOME / END: Top left / Bottom right of pattern LCTRL + HOME / END: First / last track F5, F6, F7, F8, F9: Jump to 0, 1/4, 2/4, 3/4, 4/4 lines of the patterns + - (Numeric keypad): Next / Previous pattern LCTRL + LEFT / RIGHT: Next / Previous pattern LCTRL + LALT + LEFT / RIGHT: Next / Previous position LALT + LEFT / RIGHT: Next / Previous instrument LSHIFT + M: Toggle mute state of the current channel LCTRL + LSHIFT + M: Solo the current track / Unmute all LSHIFT + F1 to F11: Select a tab/panel LCTRL + 1 to 4: Select a copy buffer Tracking 1st and 2nd keys rows: Upper octave row 3rd and 4th keys rows: Lower octave row RSHIFT: Insert a note off / and * (Numeric keypad) or F1 F2: -1 or +1 octave INSERT / BACKSPACE: Insert or Delete a line in current track or current selected block. LSHIFT + INSERT / BACKSPACE: Insert or Delete a line in current pattern DELETE (NOT BACKSPACE): Empty a column or a selected block. Blocks (Blocks can also be selected with the mouse by holding the right button and scrolling the pattern with the mouse wheel). LCTRL + A: Select entire current track LCTRL + LSHIFT + A: Select entire current pattern LALT + A: Select entire column note in a track LALT + LSHIFT + A: Select all notes of a track LCTRL + X: Cut the selected block and copy it into the block-buffer LCTRL + C: Copy the selected block into the block-buffer LCTRL + V: Paste the data from the block buffer into the pattern LCTRL + I: Interpolate selected data from the first to the last row of a selection LSHIFT + ARROWS PREV. PAGE NEXT PAGE: Select a block LCTRL + R: Randomize the select columns of a selection, works similar to CTRL + I (interpolating them) LCTRL + U: Transpose the note of a selection to 1 seminote higher LCTRL + D: Transpose the note of a selection to 1 seminote lower LCTRL + LSHIFT + U: Transpose the note of a selection to 1 seminote higher (only for the current instrument) LCTRL + LSHIFT + D: Transpose the note of a selection to 1 seminote lower (only for the current instrument) LCTRL + H: Transpose the note of a selection to 1 octave higher LCTRL + L: Transpose the note of a selection to 1 octave lower LCTRL + LSHIFT + H: Transpose the note of a selection to 1 octave higher (only for the current instrument) LCTRL + LSHIFT + L: Transpose the note of a selection to 1 octave lower (only for the current instrument) LCTRL + W: Save the current selection into a file Misc LALT + ENTER: Switch between full screen / windowed mode LALT + F4: Exit program (Windows only) LCTRL + S: Save current module LSHIFT + S: Switch top right panel to synths list LSHIFT + I: Switch top right panel to instruments list <pre> C-x xh xx xx hhhh Volume B-x xh xx xx hhhh Jump to A#x xh xx xx hhhh hhhh Slide F-x xh xx xx hhhh Tempo D-x xh xx xx hhhh Pattern Break G#x xh xx xx hhhh </pre> h Hex 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 0A 0B 0C 0D 0E 0F 10 11 12 13 d Dec 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 The Set Volume command: C. Input a note, then move the cursor to the effects command column and type a C. Play the pattern, and you shouldn't be able to hear the note you placed the C by. This is because the effect parameters are 00. Change the two zeros to a 40(Hex)/64(Dec), depending on what your tracker uses. Play back the pattern again, and the note should come in at full volume. The Position Jump command next. This is just a B followed by the position in the playing list that you want to jump to. One thing to remember is that the playing list always starts at 0, not 1. This command is usually in Hex. Onto the volume slide command: A. This is slightly more complex (much more if you're using a newer tracker, if you want to achieve the results here, then set slides to Amiga, not linear), due to the fact it depends on the secondary tempo. For now set a secondary tempo of 06 (you can play around later), load a long or looped sample and input a note or two. A few rows after a note type in the effect command A. For the parameters use 0F. Play back the pattern, and you should notice that when the effect kicks in, the sample drops to a very low volume very quickly. Change the effect parameters to F0, and use a low volume command on the note. Play back the pattern, and when the slide kicks in the volume of the note should increase very quickly. This because each part of the effect parameters for command A does a different thing. The first number slides the volume up, and the second slides it down. It's not recommended that you use both a volume up and volume down at the same time, due to the fact the tracker only looks for the first number that isn't set to 0. If you specify parameters of 8F, the tracker will see the 8, ignore the F, and slide the volume up. Using a slide up and down at same time just makes you look stupid. Don't do it... The Set Tempo command: F, is pretty easy to understand. You simply specify the BPM (in Hex) that you want to change to. One important thing to note is that values of lower than 20 (Hex) sets the secondary tempo rather than the primary. Another useful command is the Pattern Break: D. This will stop the playing of the current pattern and skip to the next one in the playing list. By using parameters of more than 00 you can also specify which line to begin playing from. Command 3 is Portamento to Note. This slides the currently playing note to another note, at a specified speed. The slide then stops when it reaches the desired note. <pre> C-2 1 000 - Starts the note playing --- 000 C-3 330 - Starts the slide to C-3 at a speed of 30. --- 300 - Continues the slide --- 300 - Continues the slide </pre> Once the parameters have been set, the command can be input again without any parameters, and it'll still perform the same function unless you change the parameters. This memory function allows certain commands to function correctly, such as command 5, which is the Portamento to Note and Volume Slide command. Once command 3 has been set up command 5 will simply take the parameters from that and perform a Portamento to Note. Any parameters set up for command 5 itself simply perform a Volume Slide identical to command A at the same time as the Portamento to Note. This memory function will only operate in the same channel where the original parameters were set up. There are various other commands which perform two functions at once. They will be described as we come across them. C-3 04 .. .. 09 00 ---> C-3 04 .. .. 09 00 C-3 04 .. .. 09 00 ---> C-3 04 .. .. 09 02 C-3 04 .. .. 09 00 ---> C-3 04 .. .. 09 05 C-3 04 .. .. 09 00 ---> C-3 04 .. .. 09 08 C-3 04 .. .. 09 00 ---> C-3 04 .. .. 09 0A C-3 04 .. .. 09 00 ---> C-3 04 .. .. 09 0D C-3 04 .. .. 09 10 ---> C-3 04 .. .. 09 10 (You can also switch on the Slider Rec to On, and perform parameter-live-recording, such as cutoff transitions, resonance or panning tweaking, etc..) Note: this command only works for volume/panning and fx datas columns. The next command we'll look at is the Portamento up/down: 1 and 2. Command 1 slides the pitch up at a specified speed, and 2 slides it down. This command works in a similar way to the volume slide, in that it is dependent on the secondary tempo. Both these commands have a memory dependent on each other, if you set the slide to a speed of 3 with the 1 command, a 2 command with no parameters will use the speed of 3 from the 1 command, and vice versa. Command 4 is Vibrato. Vibrato is basically rapid changes in pitch, just try it, and you'll see what I mean. Parameters are in the format of xy, where x is the speed of the slide, and y is the depth of the slide. One important point to remember is to keep your vibratos subtle and natural so a depth of 3 or less and a reasonably fast speed, around 8, is usually used. Setting the depth too high can make the part sound out of tune from the rest. Following on from command 4 is command 6. This is the Vibrato and Volume Slide command, and it has a memory like command 5, which you already know how to use. Command 7 is Tremolo. This is similar to vibrato. Rather than changing the pitch it slides the volume. The effect parameters are in exactly the same format. vibrato effect (0x1dxy) x = speed y = depth (can't be used if arpeggio (0x1b) is turned on) <pre> C-7 00 .. .. 1B37 <- Turn Arpeggio effect on --- .. .. .. 0000 --- .. .. .. 0000 --- .. .. .. 0000 --- .. .. .. 1B38 <- Change datas --- .. .. .. 0000 --- .. .. .. 0000 --- .. .. .. 0000 --- .. .. .. 1B00 <- Turn it off </pre> Command 9 is Sample Offset. This starts the playback of the sample from a different place than the start. The effect parameters specify the sample offset, but only very roughly. Say you have a sample which is 8765(Hex) bytes long, and you wanted it to play from position 4321(Hex). The effect parameter could only be as accurate as the 43 part, and it would ignore the 21. Command B is the Playing List/Order Jump command. The parameters specify the position in the Playing List/Order to jump to. When used in conjunction with command D you can specify the position and the line to play from. Command E is pretty complex, as it is used for a lot of different things, depending on what the first parameter is. Let's take a trip through each effect in order. Command E0 controls the hardware filter on an Amiga, which, as a low pass filter, cuts off the highest frequencies being played back. There are very few players and trackers on other system that simulate this function, not that you should need to use it. The second parameter, if set to 1, turns on the filter. If set to 0, the filter gets turned off. Commands E1/E2 are Fine Portamento Up/Down. Exactly the same functions as commands 1/2, except that they only slide the pitch by a very small amount. These commands have a memory the same as 1/2 as well. Command E3 sets the Glissando control. If parameters are set to 1 then when using command 3, any sliding will only use the notes in between the original note and the note being slid to. This produces a somewhat jumpier slide than usual. The best way to understand is to try it out for yourself. Produce a slow slide with command 3, listen to it, and then try using E31. Command E4 is the Set Vibrato Waveform control. This command controls how the vibrato command slides the pitch. Parameters are 0 - Sine, 1 - Ramp Down (Saw), 2 - Square. By adding 4 to the parameters, the waveform will not be restarted when a new note is played e.g. 5 - Sine without restart. Command E5 sets the Fine Tune of the instrument being played, but only for the particular note being played. It will override the default Fine Tune for the instrument. The parameters range from 0 to F, with 0 being -8 and F being +8 Fine Tune. A parameter of 8 gives no Fine Tune. If you're using a newer tracker that supports more than -8 to +8 e.g. -128 to +128, these parameters will give a rough Fine Tune, accurate to the nearest 16. Command E6 is the Jump Loop command. You mark the beginning of the part of a pattern that you want to loop with E60, and then specify with E6x the end of the loop, where x is the number of times you want it to loop. Command E7 is the Set Tremolo Waveform control. This has exactly the same parameters as command E4, except that it works for Tremolo rather than Vibrato. Command E9 is for Retriggering the note quickly. The parameter specifies the interval between the retrigs. Use a value of less than the current secondary tempo, or else the note will not get retrigged. Command EA/B are for Fine Volume Slide Up/Down. Much the same as the normal Volume Slides, except that these are easier to control since they don't depend on the secondary tempo. The parameters specify the amount to slide by e.g. if you have a sample playing at a volume of 08 (Hex) then the effect EA1 will slide this volume to 09 (Hex). A subsequent effect of EB4 would slide this volume down to 05 (Hex). Command EC is the Note Cut. This sets the volume of the currently playing note to 0 at a specified tick. The parameters should be lower than the secondary tempo or else the effect won't work. Command ED is the Note Delay. This should be used at the same time as a note is to be played, and the parameters will specify the number of ticks to delay playing the note. Again, keep the parameters lower than the secondary tempo, or the note won't get played! Command EE is the Pattern Delay. This delays the pattern for the amount of time it would take to play a certain number of rows. The parameters specify how many rows to delay for. Command EF is the Funk Repeat command. Set the sample loop to 0-1000. When EFx is used, the loop will be moved to 1000- 2000, then to 2000-3000 etc. After 9000-10000 the loop is set back to 0- 1000. The speed of the loop "movement" is defined by x. E is two times as slow as F, D is three times as slow as F etc. EF0 will turn the Funk Repeat off and reset the loop (to 0-1000). effects 0x41 and 0x42 to control the volumes of the 2 303 units There is a dedicated panel for synth parameter editing with coherent sections (osc, filter modulation, routing, so on) the interface is much nicer, much better to navigate with customizable colors, the reverb is now customizable (10 delay lines), It accepts newer types of Waves (higher bit rates, at least 24). Has a replay routine. It's pretty much your basic VA synth. The problem isn't with the sampler being to high it's the synth is tuned two octaves too low, but if you want your samples tuned down just set the base note down 2 octaves (in the instrument panel). so the synth is basically divided into 3 sections from left to right: oscillators/envelopes, then filter and LFO's, and in the right column you have mod routings and global settings. for the oscillator section you have two normal oscillators (sine, saw, square, noise), the second of which is tunable, the first one tunes with the key pressed. Attached to OSC 1 is a sub-oscillator, which is a sawtooth wave tuned one octave down. The phase modulation controls the point in the duty cycle at which the oscillator starts. The ADSR envelope sliders (grouped with oscs) are for modulation envelope 1 and 2 respectively. you can use the synth as a sampler by choosing the instrument at the top. In the filter column, the filter settings are: 1 = lowpass, 2 = highpass, 3 = off. cutoff and resonance. For the LFOs they are LFO 1 and LFO 2, the ADSR sliders in those are for the LFO itself. For the modulation routings you have ENV 1, LFO 1 for the first slider and ENV 2, LFO 2 for the second, you can cycle through the individual routings there, and you can route each modulation source to multiple destinations of course, which is another big plus for this synth. Finally the glide time is for portamento and master volume, well, the master volume... it can go quite loud. The sequencer is changed too, It's more like the one in AXS if you've used that, where you can mute tracks to re-use patterns with variation. <pre> Support for the following modules formats: 669 (Composer 669, Unis 669), AMF (DSMI Advanced Module Format), AMF (ASYLUM Music Format V1.0), APUN (APlayer), DSM (DSIK internal format), FAR (Farandole Composer), GDM (General DigiMusic), IT (Impulse Tracker), IMF (Imago Orpheus), MOD (15 and 31 instruments), MED (OctaMED), MTM (MultiTracker Module editor), OKT (Amiga Oktalyzer), S3M (Scream Tracker 3), STM (Scream Tracker), STX (Scream Tracker Music Interface Kit), ULT (UltraTracker), UNI (MikMod), XM (FastTracker 2), Mid (midi format via timidity) </pre> Possible plugin options include [http://lv2plug.in/ LV2], ====Midi - Musical Instrument Digital Interface==== A midi file typically contains music that plays on up to 16 channels (as per the midi standard), but many notes can simultaneously play on each channel (depending on the limit of the midi hardware playing it). '''Timidity''' Although usually already installed, you can uncompress the [http://www.libsdl.org/projects/SDL_mixer/ timidity.tar.gz (14MB)] into a suitable drawer like below's SYS:Extras/Audio/ assign timidity: SYS:Extras/Audio/timidity added to SYSːs/User-Startup '''WildMidi playback''' '''Audio Evolution 4 (2003) 4.0.23 (from 2012)''' *Sync Menu - CAMD Receive, Send checked *Options Menu - MIDI Machine Control - Midi Bar Display - Select CAMD MIDI in / out - Midi Remote Setup MCB Master Control Bus *Sending a MIDI start-command and a Song Position Pointer, you can synchronize audio with an external MIDI sequencer (like B&P). *B&P Receive, start AE, add AudioEvolution.ptool in Bars&Pipes track, press play / record in AE then press play in Pipes *CAMD Receive, receive MIDI start or continue commands via camd.library sync to AE *MIDI Machine Control *Midi Bar Display *Select CAMD MIDI in / out *Midi Remote Setup - open requester for external MIDI controllers to control app mixer and transport controls cc remotely Channel - mixer(vol, pan, mute, solo), eq, aux, fx, Subgroup - Volume, Mute, Solo Transport - Start, End, Play, Stop, Record, Rewind, Forward Misc - Master vol., Bank Down, Bank up <pre> q - quit First 3 already opened when AE started F1 - timeline window F2 - mixer F3 - control F4 - subgroups F5 - aux returns F6 - sample list i - Load sample to use space - start/stop play b - reset time 0:00 s - split mode r - open recording window a - automation edit mode with p panning, m mute and v volume [ / ] - zoom in / out : - previous track * - next track x c v f - cut copy paste cross-fade g - snap grid </pre> '''[http://bnp.hansfaust.de/ Bars n Pipes sequencer]''' BarsnPipes debug ... in shell Menu (right mouse) *Song - Songs load and save in .song format but option here to load/save Midi_Files .mid in FORMAT0 or FORMAT1 *Track - *Edit - *Tool - *Timing - SMTPE Synchronizing *Windows - *Preferences - Multiple MIDI-in option Windows (some of these are usually already opened when Bars n Pipes starts up for the first time) *Workflow -> Tracks, .... Song Construction, Time-line Scoring, Media Madness, Mix Maestro, *Control -> Transport (or mini one), Windows (which collects all the Windows icons together-shortcut), .... Toolbox, Accessories, Metronome, Once you have your windows placed on the screen that suits your workflow, Song -> Save as Default will save the positions, colors, icons, etc as you'd like them If you need a particular setup of Tracks, Tools, Tempos etc, you save them all as a new song you can load each time Right mouse menu -> Preferences -> Environment... -> ScreenMode - Linkages for Synch (to Slave) usbmidi.out.0 and Send (Master) usbmidi.in.0 - Clock MTC '''Tracks''' #Double-click on B&P's icon. B&P will then open with an empty Song. You can also double-click on a song icon to open a song in B&P. #Choose a track. The B&P screen will contain a Tracks Window with a number of tracks shown as pipelines (Track 1, Track 2, etc...). To choose a track, simply click on the gray box to show an arrow-icon to highlight it. This icon show whether a track is chosen or not. To the right of the arrow-icon, you can see the icon for the midi-input. If you double-click on this icon you can change the MIDI-in setup. #Choose Record for the track. To the right of the MIDI-input channel icon you can see a pipe. This leads to another clickable icon with that shows either P, R or M. This stands for Play, Record or Merge. To change the icon, simply click on it. If you choose P, this track can only play the track (you can't record anything). If you choose R, you can record what you play and it overwrites old stuff in the track. If you choose M, you merge new records with old stuff in the track. Choose R now to be able to make a record. #Chose MIDI-channel. On the most right part of the track you can see an icon with a number in it. This is the MIDI-channel selector. Here you must choose a MIDI-channel that is available on your synthesizer/keyboard. If you choose General MIDI channel 10, most synthesizer will play drum sounds. To the left of this icon is the MIDI-output icon. Double-click on this icon to change the MIDI-output configuration. #Start recording. The next step is to start recording. You must then find the control buttons (they look like buttons on a CD-player). To be able to make a record. you must click on the R icon. You can simply now press the play button (after you have pressed the R button) and play something on you keyboard. To playback your composition, press the Play button on the control panel. #Edit track. To edit a track, you simply double click in the middle part of a track. You will then get a new window containing the track, where you can change what you have recorded using tools provided. Take also a look in the drop-down menus for more features. Videos to help understand [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6gVTX-9900 small intro], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abq_rUTiSA4&t=3s Overview], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixOVutKsYQo Workplace Setup CC PC Sysex], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDnJLYPaZTs Import Song], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BC3kkzPLkv4 Tempo Mapping], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sd23kqMYPDs ptool Arpeggi-8], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDJq-YxgwQg PlayMidi Song], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DY9Pu5P9TaU Amiga Midi], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abq_rUTiSA4 Learning Amiga bars and Pipes], Groups like [https://groups.io/g/barsnpipes/topics this] could help '''Tracks window''' * blue "1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Group" and transport tape deck VCR-type controls * Flags * [http://theproblem.alco-rhythm.com/org/bp.html Track 1, Track2, to Track 16, on each Track there are many options that can be activated] Each Track has a *Left LHS - Click in grey box to select what Track to work on, Midi-In ptool icon should be here (5pin plug icon), and many more from the Toolbox on the Input Pipeline *Middle - (P, R, M) Play, Record, Merge/Multi before the sequencer line and a blue/red/yellow (Thru Mute Play) Tap *Right RHS - Output pipeline, can have icons placed uopn it with the final ptool icon(s) being the 5pin icon symbol for Midi-OUT Clogged pipelines may need Esc pressed several times '''Toolbox (tools affect the chosen pipeline)''' After opening the Toolbox window you can add extra Tools (.ptool) for the pipelines like keyboard(virtual), midimonitor, quick patch, transpose, triad, (un)quantize, feedback in/out, velocity etc right mouse -> Toolbox menu option -> Install Tool... and navigate to Tool drawer (folder) and select requried .ptool Accompany B tool to get some sort of rythmic accompaniment, Rythm Section and Groove Quantize are examples of other tools that make use of rythms [https://aminet.net/search?query=bars Bars & Pipes pattern format .ptrn] for drawer (folder). Load from the Menu as Track or Group '''Accessories (affect the whole app)''' Accessories -> Install... and goto the Accessories drawer for .paccess like adding ARexx scripting support '''Song Construction''' <pre> F1 Pencil F2 Magic Wand F3 Hand F4 Duplicator F5 Eraser F6 Toolpad F7 Bounding box F8 Lock to A-B-A A-B-A strip, section, edit flags, white boxes, </pre> Bars&Pipes Professional offers three track formats; basic song tracks, linear tracks — which don't loop — and finally real‑time tracks. The difference between them is that both song and linear tracks respond to tempo changes, while real‑time tracks use absolute timing, always trigger at the same instant regardless of tempo alterations '''Tempo Map''' F1 Pencil F2 Magic Wand F3 Hand F4 Eraser F5 Curve F6 Toolpad Compositions Lyrics, Key, Rhythm, Time Signature '''Master Parameters''' Key, Scale/Mode '''Track Parameters''' Dynamics '''Time-line Scoring''' '''Media Madness''' '''Mix Maestro''' *ACCESSORIES Allows the importation of other packages and additional modules *CLIPBOARD Full cut, copy and paste operations, enabling user‑definable clips to be shared between tracks. *INFORMATION A complete rundown on the state of the current production and your machine. *MASTER PARAMETERS Enables global definition of time signatures, lyrics, scales, chords, dynamics and rhythm changes. *MEDIA MADNESS A complete multimedia sequencer which allows samples, stills, animation, etc *METRONOME Tempo feedback via MIDI, internal Amiga audio and colour cycling — all three can be mixed and matched as required. *MIX MAESTRO Completely automated mixdown with control for both volume and pan. All fader alterations are memorised by the software *RECORD ACTIVATION Complete specification of the data to be recorded/merged. Allows overdubbing of pitch‑bend, program changes, modulation etc *SET FLAGS Numeric positioning of location and edit flags in either SMPTE or musical time *SONG CONSTRUCTION Large‑scale cut and paste of individual measures, verses or chorus, by means of bounding box and drag‑n‑drop mouse selections *TEMPO MAP Tempo change using a variety of linear and non‑linear transition curves *TEMPO PALETTE Instant tempo changes courtesy of four user‑definable settings. *TIMELINE SCORING Sequencing of a selection of songs over a defined period — ideal for planning an entire set for a live performance. *TOOLBOX Selection screen for the hundreds of signal‑processing tools available *TRACKS Opens the main track window to enable recording, editing and the use of tools. *TRANSPORT Main playback control window, which also provides access to user‑ defined flags, loop and punch‑in record modes. Bars and Pipes Pro 2.5 is using internal 4-Byte IDs, to check which kind of data are currently processed. Especially in all its files the IDs play an important role. The IDs are stored into the file in the same order they are laid out in the memory. In a Bars 'N' Pipes file (no matter which kind) the ID "NAME" (saved as its ANSI-values) is stored on a big endian system (68k-computer) as "NAME". On a little endian system (x86 PC computer) as "EMAN". The target is to make the AROS-BnP compatible to songs, which were stored on a 68k computer (AMIGA). If possible, setting MIDI channels for Local Control for your keyboard http://www.fromwithin.com/liquidmidi/archive.shtml MIDI files are essentially a stream of event data. An event can be many things, but typically "note on", "note off", "program change", "controller change", or messages that instruct a MIDI compatible synth how to play a given bit of music. * Channel - 1 to 16 - * Messages - PC presets, CC effects like delays, reverbs, etc * Sequencing - MIDI instruments, Drums, Sound design, * Recording - * GUI - Piano roll or Tracker, Staves and Notes MIDI events/messages like step entry e.g. Note On, Note Off MIDI events/messages like PB, PC, CC, Mono and Poly After-Touch, Sysex, etc MIDI sync - Midi Clocks (SPS Measures), Midi Time Code (h, m, s and frames) SMPTE Individual track editing with audition edits so easier to test any changes. Possible to stop track playback, mix clips from the right edit flag and scroll the display using arrow keys. Step entry, to extend a selected note hit the space bar and the note grows accordingly. Ability to cancel mouse‑driven edits by simply clicking the right mouse button — at which point everything snaps back into its original form. Lyrics can now be put in with syllable dividers, even across an entire measure or section. Autoranging when you open a edit window, the notes are automatically displayed — working from the lowest upwards. Flag editing, shift‑click on a flag immediately open the bounds window, ready for numeric input. Ability to cancel edits using the right‑hand mouse button, plus much improved Bounding Box operations. Icons other than the BarsnPipes icon -> PUBSCREEN=BarsnPipes (cannot choose modes higher than 8bit 256 colors) Preferences -> Menu in Tracks window - Send MIDI defaults OFF Prefs -> Environment -> screenmode (saved to BarsnPipes.prefs binary file) Customization -> pics in gui drawer (folder) - Can save as .song files and .mid General Midi SMF is a “Standard Midi File” ([http://www.music.mcgill.ca/~ich/classes/mumt306/StandardMIDIfileformat.html SMF0, SMF1 and SMF2]), [https://github.com/stump/libsmf libsmf], [https://github.com/markc/midicomp MIDIcomp], [https://github.com/MajicDesigns/MD_MIDIFile C++ src], [], [https://github.com/newdigate/midi-smf-reader Midi player], * SMF0 All MIDI data is stored in one track only, separated exclusively by the MIDI channel. * SMF1 The MIDI data is stored in separate tracks/channels. * SMF2 (rarely used) The MIDI data is stored in separate tracks, which are additionally wrapped in containers, so it's possible to have e.g. several tracks using the same MIDI channels. Would it be possible to enrich Bars N’Pipes with software synth and sample support along with audio recording and mastering tools like in the named MAC or PC music sequencers? On the classic AMIGA-OS this is not possible because of missing CPU-power. The hardware of the classic AMIGA is not further developed. So we must say (unfortunately) that those dreams can’t become reality BarsnPipes is best used with external MIDI-equipment. This can be a keyboard or synthesizer with MIDI-connectors. <pre> MIDI can control 16 channels There are USB-MIDI-Interfaces on the market with 16 independent MIDI-lines (multi-port), which can handle 16 MIDI devices independently – 16×16 = 256 independent MIDI-channels or instruments handle up to 16 different USB-MIDI-Interfaces (multi-device). That is: 16X16X16 = 4096 independent MIDI-channels – theoretically </pre> <pre> Librarian MIDI SYStem EXplorer (sysex) - PatchEditor and used to be supplied as a separate program like PatchMeister but currently not at present It should support MIDI.library (PD), BlueRibbon.library (B&P), TriplePlayPlus, and CAMD.library (DeluxeMusic) and MIDI information from a device's user manual and configure a custom interface to access parameters for all MIDI products connected to the system Supports ALL MIDI events and the Patch/Librarian data is stored in MIDI standard format Annette M.Crowling, Missing Link Software, Inc. </pre> Composers <pre> [https://x.com/hirasawa/status/1403686519899054086 Susumu Hirasawa] </pre> <pre> 1988 Todor Fay and his wife Melissa Jordan Gray, who founded the Blue Ribbon Inc 1992 Bars&Pipes Pro published November 2000, Todor Fay announcement to release the sourcecode of Bars&Pipes Pro 2.5c beta end of May 2001, the source of the main program and the sources of some tools and accessories were in a complete and compileable state end of October 2009 stop further development of BarsnPipes New for now on all supported systems and made freeware 2013 Alfred Faust diagnosed with incureable illness, called „Myastenia gravis“ (weak muscles) </pre> Protrekkr How to use Midi In/Out in Protrekkr ? First of all, midi in & out capabilities of this program are rather limited. # Go to Misc. Setup section and select a midi in or out device to use (ptk only supports one device at a time). # Go to instrument section, and select a MIDI PRG (the default is N/A, which means no midi program selected). # Go to track section and here you can assign a midi channel to each track of ptk. # Play notes :]. Note off works. F'x' note cut command also works too, and note-volume command (speed) is supported. Also, you can change midicontrollers in the tracker, using '90' in the panning row: <pre> C-3 02 .. .. 0000.... --- .. .. 90 xxyy.... << This will set the value --- .. .. .. 0000.... of the controller n.'xx' to 'yy' (both in hex) --- .. .. .. 0000.... </pre> So "--- .. .. 90 2040...." will set the controller number $20(32) to $40(64). You will need the midi implementation table of your gear to know what you can change with midi controller messages. N.B. Not all MIDI devices are created equal! Although the MIDI specification defines a large range of MIDI messages of various kinds, not every MIDI device is required to work in exactly the same way and respond to all the available messages and ways of working. For example, we don't expect a wind synthesiser to work in the same way as a home keyboard. Some devices, the older ones perhaps, are only able to respond to a single channel. With some of those devices that channel can be altered from the default of 1 (probably) to another channel of the 16 possible. Other devices, for instance monophonic synthesisers, are capable of producing just one note at a time, on one MIDI channel. Others can produce many notes spread across many channels. Further devices can respond to, and transmit, "breath controller" data (MIDI controller number 2 (CC#2)) others may respond to the reception of CC#2 but not be able to create and to send it. A controller keyboard may be capable of sending "expression pedal" data, but another device may not be capable of responding to that message. Some devices just have the basic GM sound set. The "voice" or "instrument" is selected using a "Program Change" message on its own. Other devices have a greater selection of voices, usually arranged in "banks", and the choice of instrument is made by responding to "Bank Select MSB" (MIDI controller 0 (CC#0)), others use "Bank Select LSB" (MIDI controller number 32 (CC#32)), yet others use both MSB and LSB sent one after the other, all followed by the Program Change message. The detailed information about all the different voices will usually be available in a published MIDI Data List. MIDI Implementation Chart But in the User Manual there is sometimes a summary of how the device works, in terms of MIDI, in the chart at the back of the manual, the MIDI Implementation Chart. If you require two devices to work together you can compare the two implementation charts to see if they are "compatible". In order to do this we will need to interpret that chart. The chart is divided into four columns headed "Function", "Transmitted" (or "Tx"), "Received" (or "Rx"), or more correctly "Recognised", and finally, "Remarks". <pre> The left hand column defines which MIDI functions are being described. The 2nd column defines what the device in question is capable of transmitting to another device. The 3rd column defines what the device is capable of responding to. The 4th column is for explanations of the values contained within these previous two columns. </pre> There should then be twelve sections, with possibly a thirteenth containing extra "Notes". Finally there should be an explanation of the four MIDI "modes" and what the "X" and the "O" mean. <pre> Mode 1: Omni On, Poly; Mode 2: Omni On, Mono; Mode 3: Omni Off, Poly; Mode 4: Omni Off, Mono. </pre> O means "yes" (implemented), X means "no" (not implemented). Sometimes you will find a row of asterisks "**************", these seem to indicate that the data is not applicable in this case. Seen in the transmitted field only (unless you've seen otherwise). Lastly you may find against some entries an asterisk followed by a number e.g. *1, these will refer you to further information, often on a following page, giving more detail. Basic Channel But the very first set of boxes will tell us the "Basic Channel(s)" that the device sends or receives on. "Default" is what happens when the device is first turned on, "changed" is what a switch of some kind may allow the device to be set to. For many devices e.g. a GM sound module or a home keyboard, this would be 1-16 for both. That is it can handle sending and receiving on all MIDI channels. On other devices, for example a synthesiser, it may by default only work on channel 1. But the keyboard could be "split" with the lower notes e.g. on channel 2. If the synth has an arppegiator, this may be able to be set to transmit and or receive on yet another channel. So we might see the default as "1" but the changed as "1-16". Modes. We need to understand Omni On and Off, and Mono and Poly, then we can decipher the four modes. But first we need to understand that any of these four Mode messages can be sent to any MIDI channel. They don't necessarily apply to the whole device. If we send an "Omni On" message (CC#125) to a MIDI channel of a device, we are, in effect, asking it to respond to e.g. a Note On / Off message pair, received on any of the sixteen channels. Sound strange? Read it again. Still strange? It certainly is. We normally want a MIDI channel to respond only to Note On / Off messages sent on that channel, not any other. In other words, "Omni Off". So "Omni Off" (CC#124) tells a channel of our MIDI device to respond only to messages sent on that MIDI channel. "Poly" (CC#127) is for e.g. a channel of a polyphonic sound module, or a home keyboard, to be able to respond to many simultaneous Note On / Off message pairs at once and produce musical chords. "Mono" (CC#126) allows us to set a channel to respond as if it were e.g. a flute or a trumpet, playing just one note at a time. If the device is capable of it, then the overlapping of notes will produce legato playing, that is the attack portion of the second note of two overlapping notes will be removed resulting in a "smoother" transition. So a channel with a piano voice assigned to it will have Omni Off, Poly On (Mode 3), a channel with a saxophone voice assigned could be Omni Off, Mono On (Mode 4). We call these combinations the four modes, 1 to 4, as defined above. Most modern devices will have their channels set to Mode 3 (Omni Off, Poly) but be switchable, on a per channel basis, to Mode 4 (Omni Off, Mono). This second section of data will include first its default value i.e. upon device switch on. Then what Mode messages are acceptable, or X if none. Finally, in the "Altered" field, how a Mode message that can't be implemented will be interpreted. Usually there will just be a row of asterisks effectively meaning nothing will be done if you try to switch to an unimplemented mode. Note Number <pre> The next row will tell us which MIDI notes the device can send or receive, normally 0-127. The second line, "True Voice" has the following in the MIDI specification: "Range of received note numbers falling within the range of true notes produced by the instrument." My interpretation is that, for instance, a MIDI piano may be capable of sending all MIDI notes (0 to 127) by transposition, but only responding to the 88 notes (21 to 108) of a real piano. </pre> Velocity This will tell us whether the device we're looking at will handle note velocity, and what range from 1-127, or maybe just 64, it transmits or will recognise. So usually "O" plus a range or "X" for not implemented. After touch This may have one or two lines two it. If a one liner the either "O" or "X", yes or no. If a two liner then it may include "Keys" or "Poly" and "Channel". This will show whether the device will respond to Polyphonic after touch or channel after touch or neither. Pitch Bend Again "O" for implemented, "X" for not implemented. (Many stage pianos will have no pitch bend capability.) It may also, in the notes section, state whether it will respond to the full 14 bits, or not, as usually encoded by the pitch bend wheel. Control Change This is likely to be the largest section of the chart. It will list all those controllers, starting from CC#0, Bank Select MSB, which the device is capable of sending, and those that it will respond to using "O" or "X" respectively. You will, almost certainly, get some further explanation of functionality in the remarks column, or in more detail elsewhere in the documentation. Of course you will need to know what all the various controller numbers do. Lots of the official technical specifications can be found at the [www.midi.org/techspecs/ MMA], with the table of messages and control change [www.midi.org/techspecs/midimessages.php message numbers] Program Change Again "O" or "X" in the Transmitted or Recognised column to indicate whether or not the feature is implemented. In addition a range of numbers is shown, typically 0-127, to show what is available. True # (number): "The range of the program change numbers which correspond to the actual number of patches selected." System Exclusive Used to indicate whether or not the device can send or recognise System Exclusive messages. A short description is often given in the Remarks field followed by a detailed explanation elsewhere in the documentation. System Common - These include the following: <pre> MIDI Time Code Quarter Frame messages (device synchronisation). Song Position Pointer Song Select Tune Request </pre> The section will indicate whether or not the device can send or respond to any of these messages. System Real Time These include the following: <pre> Timing Clock - often just written as "Clock" Start Stop Continue </pre> These three are usually just referred to as "Commands" and listed. Again the section will indicate which, if any, of these messages the device can send or respond to. <pre> Aux. Messages Again "O" or "X" for implemented or not. Aux. = Auxiliary. Active Sense = Active Sensing. </pre> Often with an explanation of the action of the device. Notes The "Notes" section can contain any additional comments to clarify the particular implementation. Some of the explanations have been drawn directly from the MMA MIDI 1.0 Detailed Specification. And the detailed explanation of some of the functions will be found there, or in the General MIDI System Level 1 or General MIDI System Level 2 documents also published by the MMA. OFFICIAL MIDI SPECIFICATIONS SUMMARY OF MIDI MESSAGES Table 1 - Summary of MIDI Messages The following table lists the major MIDI messages in numerical (binary) order (adapted from "MIDI by the Numbers" by D. Valenti, Electronic Musician 2/88, and updated by the MIDI Manufacturers Association.). This table is intended as an overview of MIDI, and is by no means complete. WARNING! Details about implementing these messages can dramatically impact compatibility with other products. We strongly recommend consulting the official MIDI Specifications for additional information. MIDI 1.0 Specification Message Summary Channel Voice Messages [nnnn = 0-15 (MIDI Channel Number 1-16)] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Status D7----D0 ! width="10%" |Data Byte(s) D7----D0 ! width="20%" |Description |- |<!--Status-->1000nnnn || <!--Data-->0kkkkkkk 0vvvvvvv || <!--Description-->Note Off event. This message is sent when a note is released (ended). (kkkkkkk) is the key (note) number. (vvvvvvv) is the velocity. |- |<!--Status-->1001nnnn || <!--Data-->0kkkkkkk 0vvvvvvv || <!--Description-->Note On event. This message is sent when a note is depressed (start). (kkkkkkk) is the key (note) number. (vvvvvvv) is the velocity. |- |<!--Status-->1010nnnn || <!--Data-->0kkkkkkk 0vvvvvvv || <!--Description-->Polyphonic Key Pressure (Aftertouch). This message is most often sent by pressing down on the key after it "bottoms out". (kkkkkkk) is the key (note) number. (vvvvvvv) is the pressure value. |- |<!--Status-->1011nnnn || <!--Data-->0ccccccc 0vvvvvvv || <!--Description-->Control Change. This message is sent when a controller value changes. Controllers include devices such as pedals and levers. Controller numbers 120-127 are reserved as "Channel Mode Messages" (below). (ccccccc) is the controller number (0-119). (vvvvvvv) is the controller value (0-127). |- |<!--Status-->1100nnnn || <!--Data-->0ppppppp || <!--Description-->Program Change. This message sent when the patch number changes. (ppppppp) is the new program number. |- |<!--Status-->1101nnnn || <!--Data-->0vvvvvvv || <!--Description-->Channel Pressure (After-touch). This message is most often sent by pressing down on the key after it "bottoms out". This message is different from polyphonic after-touch. Use this message to send the single greatest pressure value (of all the current depressed keys). (vvvvvvv) is the pressure value. |- |<!--Status-->1110nnnn || <!--Data-->0lllllll 0mmmmmmm || <!--Description-->Pitch Bend Change. This message is sent to indicate a change in the pitch bender (wheel or lever, typically). The pitch bender is measured by a fourteen bit value. Center (no pitch change) is 2000H. Sensitivity is a function of the receiver, but may be set using RPN 0. (lllllll) are the least significant 7 bits. (mmmmmmm) are the most significant 7 bits. |} Channel Mode Messages (See also Control Change, above) {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Status D7----D0 ! width="10%" |Data Byte(s) D7----D0 ! width="20%" |Description |- |<!--Status-->1011nnnn || <!--Data-->0ccccccc 0vvvvvvv || <!--Description-->Channel Mode Messages. This the same code as the Control Change (above), but implements Mode control and special message by using reserved controller numbers 120-127. The commands are: *All Sound Off. When All Sound Off is received all oscillators will turn off, and their volume envelopes are set to zero as soon as possible c = 120, v = 0: All Sound Off *Reset All Controllers. When Reset All Controllers is received, all controller values are reset to their default values. (See specific Recommended Practices for defaults) c = 121, v = x: Value must only be zero unless otherwise allowed in a specific Recommended Practice. *Local Control. When Local Control is Off, all devices on a given channel will respond only to data received over MIDI. Played data, etc. will be ignored. Local Control On restores the functions of the normal controllers. c = 122, v = 0: Local Control Off c = 122, v = 127: Local Control On * All Notes Off. When an All Notes Off is received, all oscillators will turn off. c = 123, v = 0: All Notes Off (See text for description of actual mode commands.) c = 124, v = 0: Omni Mode Off c = 125, v = 0: Omni Mode On c = 126, v = M: Mono Mode On (Poly Off) where M is the number of channels (Omni Off) or 0 (Omni On) c = 127, v = 0: Poly Mode On (Mono Off) (Note: These four messages also cause All Notes Off) |} System Common Messages System Messages (0xF0) The final status nybble is a “catch all” for data that doesn’t fit the other statuses. They all use the most significant nybble (4bits) of 0xF, with the least significant nybble indicating the specific category. The messages are denoted when the MSB of the second nybble is 1. When that bit is a 0, the messages fall into two other subcategories. System Common If the MSB of the second second nybble (4 bits) is not set, this indicates a System Common message. Most of these are messages that include some additional data bytes. System Common Messages Type Status Byte Number of Data Bytes Usage <pre> Time Code Quarter Frame 0xF1 1 Indicates timing using absolute time code, primarily for synthronization with video playback systems. A single location requires eight messages to send the location in an encoded hours:minutes:seconds:frames format*. Song Position 0xF2 2 Instructs a sequencer to jump to a new position in the song. The data bytes form a 14-bit value that expresses the location as the number of sixteenth notes from the start of the song. Song Select 0xF3 1 Instructs a sequencer to select a new song. The data byte indicates the song. Undefined 0xF4 0 Undefined 0xF5 0 Tune Request 0xF6 0 Requests that the receiver retunes itself**. </pre> *MIDI Time Code (MTC) is significantly complex. Please see the MIDI Specification **While modern digital instruments are good at staying in tune, older analog synthesizers were prone to tuning drift. Some analog synthesizers had an automatic tuning operation that could be initiated with this command. System Exclusive If you’ve been keeping track, you’ll notice there are two status bytes not yet defined: 0xf0 and 0xf7. These are used by the System Exclusive message, often abbreviated at SysEx. SysEx provides a path to send arbitrary data over a MIDI connection. There is a group of predefined messages for complex data, like fine grained control of MIDI Time code machinery. SysEx is also used to send manufacturer defined data, such as patches, or even firmware updates. System Exclusive messages are longer than other MIDI messages, and can be any length. The messages are of the following format: 0xF0, 0xID, 0xdd, ...... 0xF7 The message is bookended with distinct bytes. It opens with the Start Of Exclusive (SOX) data byte, 0xF0. The next one to three bytes after the start are an identifier. Values from 0x01 to 0x7C are one-byte vendor IDs, assigned to manufacturers who were involved with MIDI at the beginning. If the ID is 0x00, it’s a three-byte vendor ID - the next two bytes of the message are the value. <pre> ID 0x7D is a placeholder for non-commercial entities. ID 0x7E indicates a predefined Non-realtime SysEx message. ID 0x7F indicates a predefined Realtime SysEx message. </pre> After the ID is the data payload, sent as a stream of bytes. The transfer concludes with the End of Exclusive (EOX) byte, 0xF7. The payload data must follow the guidelines for MIDI data bytes – the MSB must not be set, so only 7 bits per byte are actually usable. If the MSB is set, it falls into three possible scenarios. An End of Exclusive byte marks the ordinary termination of the SysEx transfer. System Real Time messages may occur within the transfer without interrupting it. The recipient should handle them independently of the SysEx transfer. Other status bytes implicitly terminate the SysEx transfer and signal the start of new messages. Some inexpensive USB-to-MIDI interfaces aren’t capable of handling messages longer than four bytes. {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Status D7----D0 ! width="10%" |Data Byte(s) D7----D0 ! width="20%" |Description |- |<!--Status-->11110000 || <!--Data-->0iiiiiii [0iiiiiii 0iiiiiii] 0ddddddd --- --- 0ddddddd 11110111 || <!--Description-->System Exclusive. This message type allows manufacturers to create their own messages (such as bulk dumps, patch parameters, and other non-spec data) and provides a mechanism for creating additional MIDI Specification messages. The Manufacturer's ID code (assigned by MMA or AMEI) is either 1 byte (0iiiiiii) or 3 bytes (0iiiiiii 0iiiiiii 0iiiiiii). Two of the 1 Byte IDs are reserved for extensions called Universal Exclusive Messages, which are not manufacturer-specific. If a device recognizes the ID code as its own (or as a supported Universal message) it will listen to the rest of the message (0ddddddd). Otherwise, the message will be ignored. (Note: Only Real-Time messages may be interleaved with a System Exclusive.) |- |<!--Status-->11110001 || <!--Data-->0nnndddd || <!--Description-->MIDI Time Code Quarter Frame. nnn = Message Type dddd = Values |- |<!--Status-->11110010 || <!--Data-->0lllllll 0mmmmmmm || <!--Description-->Song Position Pointer. This is an internal 14 bit register that holds the number of MIDI beats (1 beat= six MIDI clocks) since the start of the song. l is the LSB, m the MSB. |- |<!--Status-->11110011 || <!--Data-->0sssssss || <!--Description-->Song Select. The Song Select specifies which sequence or song is to be played. |- |<!--Status-->11110100 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Undefined. (Reserved) |- |<!--Status-->11110101 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Undefined. (Reserved) |- |<!--Status-->11110110 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Tune Request. Upon receiving a Tune Request, all analog synthesizers should tune their oscillators. |- |<!--Status-->11110111 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->End of Exclusive. Used to terminate a System Exclusive dump. |} System Real-Time Messages {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Status D7----D0 ! width="10%" |Data Byte(s) D7----D0 ! width="20%" |Description |- |<!--Status-->11111000 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Timing Clock. Sent 24 times per quarter note when synchronization is required. |- |<!--Status-->11111001 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Undefined. (Reserved) |- |<!--Status-->11111010 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Start. Start the current sequence playing. (This message will be followed with Timing Clocks). |- |<!--Status-->11111011 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Continue. Continue at the point the sequence was Stopped. |- |<!--Status-->11111100 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Stop. Stop the current sequence. |- |<!--Status-->11111101 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Undefined. (Reserved) |- |<!--Status-->11111110 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Active Sensing. This message is intended to be sent repeatedly to tell the receiver that a connection is alive. Use of this message is optional. When initially received, the receiver will expect to receive another Active Sensing message each 300ms (max), and if it does not then it will assume that the connection has been terminated. At termination, the receiver will turn off all voices and return to normal (non- active sensing) operation. |- |<!--Status-->11111111 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Reset. Reset all receivers in the system to power-up status. This should be used sparingly, preferably under manual control. In particular, it should not be sent on power-up. |} Advanced Messages Polyphonic Pressure (0xA0) and Channel Pressure (0xD0) Some MIDI controllers include a feature known as Aftertouch. While a key is being held down, the player can press harder on the key. The controller measures this, and converts it into MIDI messages. Aftertouch comes in two flavors, with two different status messages. The first flavor is polyphonic aftertouch, where every key on the controller is capable of sending its own independent pressure information. The messages are of the following format: <pre> 0xnc, 0xkk, 0xpp n is the status (0xA) c is the channel nybble kk is the key number (0 to 127) pp is the pressure value (0 to 127) </pre> Polyphonic aftertouch is an uncommon feature, usually found on premium quality instruments, because every key requires a separate pressure sensor, plus the circuitry to read them all. Much more commonly found is channel aftertouch. Instead of needing a discrete sensor per key, it uses a single, larger sensor to measure pressure on all of the keys as a group. The messages omit the key number, leaving a two-byte format <pre> 0xnc, 0xpp n is the status (0xD) c is the channel number pp is the pressure value (0 to 127) </pre> Pitch Bend (0xE0) Many keyboards have a wheel or lever towards the left of the keys for pitch bend control. This control is usually spring-loaded, so it snaps back to the center of its range when released. This allows for both upward and downward bends. Pitch Bend Wheel The wheel sends pitch bend messages, of the format <pre> 0xnc, 0xLL, 0xMM n is the status (0xE) c is the channel number LL is the 7 least-significant bits of the value MM is the 7 most-significant bits of the value </pre> You’ll notice that the bender data is actually 14 bits long, transmitted as two 7-bit data bytes. This means that the recipient needs to reassemble those bytes using binary manipulation. 14 bits results in an overall range of 214, or 0 to 16,383. Because it defaults to the center of the range, the default value for the bender is halfway through that range, at 8192 (0x2000). Control Change (0xB0) In addition to pitch bend, MIDI has provisions for a wider range of expressive controls, sometimes known as continuous controllers, often abbreviated CC. These are transmitted by the remaining knobs and sliders on the keyboard controller shown below. Continuous Controllers These controls send the following message format: <pre> 0xnc, 0xcc, 0xvv n is the status (0xB) c is the MIDI channel cc is the controller number (0-127) vv is the controller value (0-127) </pre> Typically, the wheel next to the bender sends controller number one, assigned to modulation (or vibrato) depth. It is implemented by most instruments. The remaining controller number assignments are another point of confusion. The MIDI specification was revised in version 2.0 to assign uses for many of the controllers. However, this implementation is not universal, and there are ranges of unassigned controllers. On many modern MIDI devices, the controllers are assignable. On the controller keyboard shown in the photos, the various controls can be configured to transmit different controller numbers. Controller numbers can be mapped to particular parameters. Virtual synthesizers frequently allow the user to assign CCs to the on-screen controls. This is very flexible, but it might require configuration on both ends of the link and completely bypasses the assignments in the standard. Program Change (0xC0) Most synthesizers have patch storage memory, and can be told to change patches using the following command: <pre> 0xnc, 0xpp n is the status (0xc) c is the channel pp is the patch number (0-127) </pre> This allows for 128 sounds to be selected, but modern instruments contain many more than 128 patches. Controller #0 is used as an additional layer of addressing, interpreted as a “bank select” command. Selecting a sound on such an instrument might involve two messages: a bank select controller message, then a program change. Audio & Midi are not synchronized, what I can do ? Buy a commercial software package but there is a nasty trick to synchronize both. It's a bit hardcore but works for me: Simply put one line down to all midi notes on your pattern (use Insert key) and go to 'Misc. Setup', adjust the latency and just search a value that will make sound sync both audio/midi. The stock Sin/Saw/Pulse and Rnd waveforms are too simple/common, is there a way to use something more complex/rich ? You have to ability to redirect the waveforms of the instruments through the synth pipe by selecting the "wav" option for the oscillator you're using for this synth instrument, samples can be used as wavetables to replace the stock signals. Sound banks like soundfont (sf2) or Kontakt2 are not supported at the moment ====DAW Audio Evolution 4==== Audio Evolution 4 gives you unsurpassed power for digital audio recording and editing on the Amiga. The latest release focusses on time-saving non-linear and non-destructive editing, as seen on other platforms. Besides editing, Audio Evolution 4 offers a wide range of realtime effects, including compression, noise gate, delays, reverb, chorus and 3-band EQ. Whether you put them as inserts on a channel or use them as auxillaries, the effect parameters are realtime adjustable and can be fully automated. Together with all other mixing parameters, they can even be controlled remotely, using more ergonomic MIDI hardware. Non-linear editing on the time line, including cut, copy, paste, move, split, trim and crossfade actions The number of tracks per project(s) is unlimited .... AHI limits you to recording only two at a time. i.e. not on 8 track sound cards like the Juli@ or Phase 88. sample file import is limited to 16bit AIFF (not AIFC, important distinction as some files from other sources can be AIFC with aiff file extension). and 16bit WAV (pcm only) Most apps use the Music Unit only but a few apps also use Unit (0-3) instead or as well. * Set up AHI prefs so that microphone is available. (Input option near the bottom) stereo++ allows the audio piece to be placed anywhere and the left-right adjusted to sound positionally right hifi best for music playback if driver supports this option Load 16bit .aif .aiff only sample(s) to use not AIFC which can have the same ending. AIFF stands for Audio Interchange File Format sox recital.wav recital.aiff sox recital.wav −b 16 recital.aiff channels 1 rate 16k fade 3 norm sox input.wav output.aiff bass −b 16 rate 48k performs the same format translation, but also applies four effects (down-mix to one channel, sample rate change, fade-in, nomalize), and stores the result at a bit-depth of 16. rec −c 2 radio.aiff trim 0 30:00 records half an hour of stereo audio play existing-file.wav 24bit PCM WAV or AIFF do not work *No stream format handling. So no way to pass on an AC3 encoded stream unmodified to the digital outputs through AHI. *No master volume handling. Each application has to set its own volume. So each driver implements its own custom driver-mixer interface for handling master volumes, mute and preamps. *Only one output stream. So all input gets mixed into one output. *No automatic handling of output direction based on connected cables. *No monitor input selection. Only monitor volume control. select the correct input (Don't mistake enabled sound for the correct input.) The monitor will feedback audio to the lineout and hp out no matter if you have selected the correct input to the ADC. The monitor will provide sound for any valid input. This will result in free mixing when recording from the monitor input instead of mic/line because the monitor itself will provide the hardware mixing for you. Be aware that MIC inputs will give two channel mono. Only Linein will give real stereo. Now for the not working part. Attempt to record from linein in the AE4 record window, the right channel is noise and the left channel is distorted. Even with the recommended HIFI 16bit Stereo++ mode at 48kHz. Channels Monitor Gain Inout Output Advanced settings - Debugging via serial port * Options -> Soundcard In/Out * Options -> SampleRate * Options -> Preferences F6 for Sample File List Setting a grid is easy as is measuring the BPM by marking a section of the sample. Is your kick drum track "not in time" ? If so, you're stumped in AE4 as it has no fancy variable time signatures and definitely no 'track this dodgy rhythm' function like software of the nature of Logic has. So if your drum beat is freeform you will need to work in freeform mode. (Real music is free form anyway). If the drum *is* accurate and you are just having trouble measuring the time, I usually measure over a range of bars and set the number of beats in range to say 16 as this is more accurate, Then you will need to shift the drum track to match your grid *before* applying the grid. (probably an iterative process as when the grid is active samples snap to it, and when inactive you cannot see it). AE4 does have ARexx but the functions are more for adding samples at set offsets and starting playback / recording. These are the usual features found in DAWs... * Recording digital audio, midi sequencer and mixer * virtual VST instruments and plug-ins * automation, group channels, MIDI channels, FX sends and returns, audio and MIDI editors and music notation editor * different track views * mixer and track layout (but not the same as below) * traditional two windows (track and mixer) Mixing - mixdown Could not figure out how to select what part I wanted to send to the aux, set it to echo and return. Pretty much the whole echo effect. Or any effect. Take look at page17 of the manual. When you open the EQ / Aux send popup window you will see 4 sends. Now from the menu choose the windows menu. Menus->Windows-> Aux Returns Window or press F5 You will see a small window with 4 volume controls and an effects button for each. Click a button and add an effects to that aux channel, then set it up as desired (note the reverb effect has a special AUX setting that improves its use with the aux channel, not compulsory but highly useful). You set the amount of 'return' on the main mix in the Aux Return window, and the amount sent from each main mixer channel in the popup for that channel. Again the aux sends are "prefade" so the volume faders on each channel do not affect them. Tracking Effects - fade in To add some echoes to some vocals, tried to add an effect on a track but did not come out. This is made more complicated as I wanted to mute a vocal but then make it echo at the muting point. Want to have one word of a vocal heard and then echoed off. But when the track is mute the echo is cancelled out. To correctly understand what is happening here you need to study the figure at the bottom of page 15 on the manual. You will see from that that the effects are applied 'prefade' So the automation you applied will naturally mute the entire signal. There would be a number of ways to achieve the goal, You have three real time effects slots, one for smoothing like so Sample -> Amplify -> Delay Then automate the gain of the amplify block so that it effectively mutes the sample just before the delay at the appropriate moment, the echo effect should then be heard. Getting the effects in the right order will require experimentation as they can only be added top down and it's not obvious which order they are applied to the signal, but there only two possibilities, so it wont take long to find out. Using MUTE can cause clicks to the Amplify can be used to mute more smoothly so that's a secondary advantage. Signal Processing - Overdub [[#top|...to the top]] ===Office=== ====Spreadsheet Leu==== Support for some xlsx, and ods functions ====Spreadsheet Ignition==== ; Needs ABIv1 to be completed before more can be done File formats supported * ascii #?.txt and #?.csv (single sheets with data only). * igs and TurboCalc(WIP) #?.tc for all sheets with data, formats and formulas. There is '''no''' support for xls, xlsx, ods or uos ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_Office_Format Uniform Unified Office Format]) at the moment. * Always use Esc key after editing Spreadsheet cells. * copy/paste seems to copy the first instance only so go to Edit -> Clipboard to manage the list of remembered actions. * Right mouse click on row (1 or 2 or 3) or column header (a or b or c) to access optimal height or width of the row or column respectively * Edit -> Insert -> Row seems to clear the spreadsheet or clears the rows after the inserted row until undo restores as it should be... Change Sheet name by Object -> Sheet -> Properties Click in the cell which will contain the result, and click '''down arrow button''' to the right of the formula box at the bottom of the spreadsheet and choose the function required from the list provided. Then click on the start cell and click on the bottom right corner, a '''very''' small blob, which allows stretching a bounding box (thick grey outlines) across many cells This grey bounding box can be used to '''copy a formula''' to other cells. Object -> Cell -> Properties to change cell format - Currency only covers DM and not $, Euro, Renminbi, Yen or Pound etc. Shift key and arrow keys selects a range of cells, so that '''formatting can be done to all highlighted cells'''. View -> Overview then select ALL with one click (in empty cell in the top left hand corner of the sheet). Default mode is relative cell referencing e.g. a1+a2 but absolute e.g. $a$1+$a$2 can be entered. * #sheet-name to '''absolute''' reference another sheet-name cell unless reference() function used. ;Graphs use shift key and arrow keys to select a bunch of cells to be graph'ed making sure that x axes represents and y axes represents * value() - 0 value, 1 percent, 2 date, 3 time, 4 unit ... ;Dates * Excel starts a running count from the 1st Jan 1900 and Ignition starts from 1st Jan 1AD '''(maybe this needs to change)''' Set formatting Object -> Cell -> Properties and put date in days ;Time Set formatting Object -> Cell -> Properties and put time in seconds taken ;Database (to be done by someone else) type - standard, reference (bezug), search criterion (suchkriterium), * select a bunch of cells and Object -> Database -> Define to set Datenbank (database) and Felder (fields not sure how?) * Neu (new) or loschen (delete) to add/remove database headings e.g. Personal, Start Date, Finish Date (one per row?) * Object -> Database -> Index to add fields (felder) like Surname, First Name, Employee ID, etc. to ? Filtering done with dbfilter(), dbproduct() and dbposition(). Activities with dbsum(), dbaverage(), dbmin() and dbmax(). Table sorting - ;Scripts (Arexx) ;Excel(TM) to Ignition - commas ''',''' replaced by semi-colons ''';''' to separate values within functions *SUM(), *AVERAGE(), MAX(), MIN(), INT(), PRODUCT(), MEDIAN(), VAR() becomes Variance(), Percentile(), *IF(), AND, OR, NOT *LEFT(), RIGHT(), MID() becomes MIDDLE(), LEN() becomes LENGTH(), *LOWER() becomes LOWERCASE(), UPPER() becomes UPPERCASE(), * DATE(yyyy,mm,dd) becomes COMPUTEDATE(dd;mm;yyyy), *TODAY(), DAY(),WEEK(), MONTH(),=YEAR(TODAY()), *EOMONTH() becomes MONTHLENGTH(), *NOW() should be date and time becomes time only, SECOND(), MINUTE(), HOUR(), *DBSUM() becomes DSUM(), ;Missing and possibly useful features/functions needed for ignition to have better support of Excel files There is no Merge and Join Text over many cells, no protect and/or freeze row or columns or books but can LOCK sheets, no define bunch of cells as a name, Macros (Arexx?), conditional formatting, no Solver, no Goal Seek, no Format Painter, no AutoFill, no AutoSum function button, no pivot tables, (30 argument limit applies to Excel) *HLOOKUP(), VLOOKUP(), [http://production-scheduling.com/excel-index-function-most-useful/ INDEX(), MATCH()], CHOOSE(), TEXT(), *TRIM(), FIND(), SUBSTITUTE(), CONCATENATE() or &, PROPER(), REPT(), *[https://acingexcel.com/excel-sumproduct-function/ SUMPRODUCT()], ROUND(), ROUNDUP(), *ROUNDDOWN(), COUNT(), COUNTA(), SUMIF(), COUNTIF(), COUNTBLANK(), TRUNC(), *PMT(), PV(), FV(), POWER(), SQRT(), MODE(), TRUE, FALSE, *MODE(), LARGE(), SMALL(), RANK(), STDEV(), *DCOUNT(), DCOUNTA(), WEEKDAY(), ;Excel Keyboard [http://dmcritchie.mvps.org/excel/shortx2k.htm shortcuts needed to aid usability in Ignition] <pre> Ctrl Z - Undo Ctrl D - Fill Down Ctrl R - Fill right Ctrl F - Find Ctrl H - Replace Ctrl 1 - Formatting of Cells CTRL SHIFT ~ Apply General Formatting ie a number Ctrl ; - Todays Date F2 - Edit cell F4 - toggle cell absolute / relative cell references </pre> ====Document Scanning - Scandal==== Scanner usually needs to be connected via a USB port and not via a hub or extension lead. Check in Trident Prefs -> Devices that the USB Scanner is not bound to anything (e.g. Bindings None) If not found then reboot the computer and recheck. Start Scandal, choose Settings from Menu strip at top of screen and in Scanner Driver choose the ?#.device of the scanner (e.g. epson2.device). The next two boxes - leave empty as they are for morphos SCSI use only or put ata.device (use the selection option in bigger box below) and Unit as 0 this is needed for gt68xx * gt68xx - no editing needed in s/gt68xx.conf but needs a firmware file that corresponds to the scanner [http://www.meier-geinitz.de/sane/gt68xx-backend/ gt68xx firmwares] in sys:s/gt68xx. * epson2 - Need to edit the file epson2.conf in sys/s that corresponds to the scanner being used '''Save''' the settings but do not press the Use button (aros freezes) Back to the Picture Scan window and the right-hand sections. Click on the '''Information''' tab and press Connect button and the scanner should now be detected. Go next to the '''Scanner''' tab next to Information Tab should have Color, Black and White, etc. and dpi settings now. Selecting an option Color, B/W etc. can cause dpi settings corruption (especially if the settings are in one line) so set '''dpi first'''. Make sure if Preview is set or not. In the '''Scan''' Tab, press Scan and the scanner will do its duty. Be aware that nothing is saved to disk yet. In the Save tab, change format JPEG, PNG or IFF DEEP. Tick incremental and base filename if necessary and then click the Save button. The image will now be saved to permanent storage. The driver ignores a device if it is already bond to another USB class, rejects it from being usable. However, open Trident prefs, select your device and use the right mouse button to open. Select "NONE" to prevent poseidon from touching the device. Now save settings. It should always work now. [[#top|...to the top]] ===Emulators=== ==== Amiberry ==== ==== Amiga Emu - Janus UAE ==== With Amibridge, AROS attempts to make the UAE emulator seem embedded within but it still is acting as an app There is no dynarec m68k for each hardware that Aros supports or direct patching of motorola calls to AROS hardware accelerated ones unless the emulator has that included Try starting Janus with a priority of -1 like this little script: <pre> cd sys:system/AmiBridge/emulator changetaskpri -1 run janus-uae -f my_uaerc.config >nil: cd sys:prefs endcli </pre> This stops Janus hogging all the CPU time. ===Miscellaneous=== ====Screensaver Blanker==== Most blankers on the amiga (i.e. aros) run as commodities (they are in the tools/commodities drawer). Double click on blanker. Control is with an app called Exchange, which you need to run first (double click on app) or run QUIET sys:tools/commodities/Exchange >NIL: but subsequently can use (Cntrl Alt h). Icon tool types (may be broken) or command line options <pre> seconds=number </pre> Once the timing is right then add the following to s:icaros-sequence or s:user-startup e.g. for 5 minutes run QUIET sys:tools/commodities/Blanker seconds=300 >NIL: *[http://archives.aros-exec.org/index.php?function=showfile&file=graphics/screenblanker/gblanker.i386-aros.zip Garshneblanker] can make Aros unstable or slow. Certain blankers crashes in Icaros 2.0.x like Dragon, Executor. *[ Acuario AROS version], the aquarium screen saver. Startup: extras:acuariofv-aros/acuario Kill: c:break name=extras:acuariofv-aros/acuario Managed to start Acuario by the Executor blanker. <pre> cx_priority= cx_popkey= ie CX_POPKEY="Shift F1" cx_popup=Yes or No </pre> <pre> Qualifier String Input Event Class ---------------- ----------------- "lshift" IEQUALIFIER_LSHIFT "rshift" IEQUALIFIER_RSHIFT "capslock" IEQUALIFIER_CAPSLOCK "control" IEQUALIFIER_CONTROL "lalt" IEQUALIFIER_LALT "ralt" IEQUALIFIER_RALT "lcommand" IEQUALIFIER_LCOMMAND "rcommand" IEQUALIFIER_RCOMMAND "numericpad" IEQUALIFIER_NUMERICPAD "repeat" IEQUALIFIER_REPEAT "midbutton" IEQUALIFIER_MIDBUTTON "rbutton" IEQUALIFIER_RBUTTON "leftbutton" IEQUALIFIER_LEFTBUTTON "relativemouse" IEQUALIFIER_RELATIVEMOUSE </pre> <pre> Synonym Synonym String Identifier ------- ---------- "shift" IXSYM_SHIFT /* look for either shift key */ "caps" IXSYM_CAPS /* look for either shift key or capslock */ "alt" IXSYM_ALT /* look for either alt key */ Highmap is one of the following strings: "space", "backspace", "tab", "enter", "return", "esc", "del", "up", "down", "right", "left", "f1", "f2", "f3", "f4", "f5", "f6", "f7", "f8", "f9", "f10", "help". </pre> [[#top|...to the top]] ==== World Construction Set WCS (Version 2.031) ==== WCS is a fractal landscape software such as Scenery Animator, Vista Pro and Panorama. Open sourced February 2022, World Construction Set [https://3dnature.com/downloads/legacy-software/ legally and for free] and [https://github.com/AlphaPixel/3DNature c source]. Announced August 1994 this version dates from April 1996 developed by Gary R. Huber and Chris "Xenon" Hanson" from Questar <pre> Assign "WCSProjects:" "Volume:Dir/Dir/WCSProjects" Assign "WCSFrames:" "Volume:Dir/Dir/WCSFrames" </pre> <pre> Load projects .proj by accessing pull down menu Project -> Open then click on CanyonSunset.proj OK to changing .par file and enlarge Status Log window to show what is happening Render by pull down menu Modules -> Render with End equal 1 not 300 then click bottom middle button Render </pre> [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxQDmf1ZWG0 Youtube walkthrough of above], [], [], Also try working with the already built file ColoDemo - Then open with the drop-down menu: Project/Open, then WCSProject:ColoDemo.proj Which allows you to use altimetric DEM files already included and Loading scene parameters from ColoDemo.par Once this is done, save everything with a new name to start working exclusively on your project. Then drop-down menu and select Save As ("NewName".proj name), then drop-down menu to open parameter and select Save All ( .par name) After launching the software, there is a the Module Control Panel composed of five icons. It is a dock type shortcut of the first few functions of the drop-down menu *Database - Load (#?.proj), Append, Create, Edit, Save, Dir List (of WCSProject drawer), *Data Ops - Extract / Convert Interp DEM, Import DLG, DXF, WDB and export LW map 3d formats *Map View - Database file Loader leading to Map View Control with option to the Database Editor *Parameters - Editor for Motion, Color, Ecosystem, Clouds, Waves, management of altimeter files DEM, sclock settings etc *Render - rendering terrain These are more in the pull down menu but not in the dock *Motion Editor *Color Editor *Ecosys Editor Simple minimal workflow *Load database (1st icon - 1st) *Set parameters and save .par file (4th icon) *Render scene (5th icon) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbTwwR2qcc4 Youtube], [], <pre> .proj new project name which creates a drawer of additional files .binary array, ascii array .xyz , z buffer, DTED .dt0, vista 1990s dem, iff conversion .Obj with .elev, .frd with .hdr maps, - digital elevation model (DEM) is a 3D representation of elevation data in various formats USGS 7.5MinDEM, .par </pre> Since for the time being no project is loaded, a query window indicates a procedural error when clicking on the rendering icon (right end of the bar). The menu is quite traditional; it varies according to the activity of the windows. To display any altimetric file in the "Mapview" (third icon of the panel), There are three possibilities: * Loading of a demonstration project. * The import of a DEM file, followed by texturing and packaging from the "Database-Editor" and the "Color-Editor". * The creation of an altimetric file in WCS format, then texturing. The altimeter file editing (display in the menu) is only made possible if the "Mapview" window is active. The software is made up of many windows and won't be able to describe them all. Know that "Color-Editor" and the "Data-Editor" comprise sufficient functions for obtaining an almost real rendering quality. You have the possibility of inserting vector objects in the "Data-Editor" (creation of roads, railways, etc.) The Map View (MapView) window *Database - Objects and Topos *View - Align, Center, Zoom, Pan, Move *Draw - Maps and distance *Object - Find, highlight, add points, conform topo, duplicate *Motion - Camera, Focus, path, elevation *Windows - DEM designer, Cloud (.cld) and wave (.wve) editor, You will notice that by selecting this window and simply moving the pointer to various points on the map you will see latitude and longitude values ​​change, along with the height. Drop-down menu and Modules, then select MapView and change the width of the window with the map to arrange it in the best way on the screen. With the Auto button the center. Window that then displays the contents of my DEM file, in this case the Grand Canyon. MapView allows you to observe the shape of the landscape from above ZOOM button Press the Zoom button and then with the pointer position on a point on the map, press the left mouse button and then move to the opposite corner to circumscribe the chosen area and press the left mouse button again, then we will see the enlarged area selected on the map. Would add that there is a box next to the Zoom button that allows the direct insertion of a value which, the larger it is, the smaller the magnification and the smaller the value, the stronger the magnification. At each numerical change you will need to press the DRAW button to update the view. PAN button Under Zoom you will find the PAN button which allows you to move the map at will in all directions by the amount you want. This is done by drawing a line in one direction, then press PAN and point to an area on the map with the pointer and press the left mouse button. At this point, leave it and move the pointer in one direction by drawing a line and press the left mouse button again to trigger the movement of the map on the screen (origin and end points). Do some experiments and then use the Auto button immediately below to recenter everything. There are parameters such as TOPO, VEC to be left checked and immediately below one that allows different views of the map with the Style command (Single, Multi, Surface, Emboss, Slope, Contour), each with its own particularities to highlight different details. Now you have the first basics to manage your project visually on the map. Close the MapView window and go further... Let's start working on ECOSYSTEMS If we select Emboss from the MapView Style command we will have a clear idea of ​​how the landscape appears, realizing that it is a predominantly desert region of our planet. Therefore we will begin to act on any vegetation present and the appearance of the landscape. With WCS we will begin to break down the elements of the landscape by assigning defined characteristics. It will be necessary to determine the classes of the ecosystem (Class) with parameters of Elevation Line (maximum altitude), Relative Elevation (arrangement on basins or convexities with respectively positive or negative parameters), Min Slope and Max Slope (slope). WCS offers the possibility of making ecosystems coexist on the same terrain with the UnderEco function, by setting a Density value. Ecosys Ecosystem Editor Let's open it from Modules, then Ecosys Editor. In the left pane you will find the list of ecosystems referring to the files present in our project. It will be necessary to clean up that box to leave only the Water and Snow landscapes and a few other predefined ones. We can do this by selecting the items and pressing the Remove button (be careful not for all elements the button is activated, therefore they cannot all be eliminated). Once this is done we can start adding new ecosystems. Scroll through the various Unused and as soon as the Name item at the top is activated allowing you to write, type the name of your ecosystem, adding the necessary parameters. <pre> Ecosystem1: Name: RockBase Class: Rock Density: 80 MinSlope: 15 UnderEco: Terrain Ecosystem2: Name: RockIncl Clss: Rock Density: 80 MinSlope: 30 UnderEco: Terrain Ecosystem3: Name: Grass Class Low Veg Density: 50 Height: 1 Elev Line : 1500 Rel El Eff: 5 Max Slope: 10 – Min Slope: 0 UnderEco: Terrain Ecosistema4: Name: Shrubs Class: Low Veg Density: 40 Height: 8 Elev Line: 3000 Rel El Eff: -2 Max Slope: 20 Min Slope : 5 UnderEco: Terrain Ecosistema5: Name: Terrain Class: Ground Density: 100 UnderEco: Terrain </pre> Now we need to identify an intermediate ecosystem that guarantees a smooth transition between all, therefore we select as Understory Ecosystem the one called Terrain in all ecosystems, except Snow and Water . Now we need to 'emerge' the Colorado River in the Canyon and we can do this by raising the sea level to 900 (Sea Level) in the Ecosystem called Water. Please note that the order of the ecosystem list gives priority to those that come after. So our list must have the following order: Water, Snow, Shrubs, RockIncl, RockBase, Terrain. It is possible to carry out all movements with the Swap button at the bottom. To put order you can also press Short List. Press Keep to confirm all the work done so far with Ecosystem Editor. Remember every now and then to save both the Project 'Modules/Save' and 'Parameter/Save All' EcoModels are made up of .etp .fgp .iff8 for each model Color Editor Now it's time to define the colors of our scene and we can do this by going to Modules and then Color Editor. In the list we focus on our ecosystems, created first. Let's go to the bottom of the list and select the first white space, assigning the name 'empty1', with a color we like and then we will find this element again in other environments... It could serve as an example for other situations! So we move to 'grass' which already exists and assign the following colors: R 60 G 70 B50 <pre> 'shrubs': R 60 G 80 B 30 'RockIncl' R 110 G 65 B 60 'RockBase' R 110 G 80 B 80 ' Terrain' R 150 G 30 B 30 <pre> Now we can work on pre-existing colors <pre> 'SunLight' R 150 G 130 B 130 'Haze and Fog' R 190 G 170 B 170 'Horizon' R 209 G 185 B 190 'Zenith' R 140 G 150 B 200 'Water' R 90 G 125 B 170 </pre> Ambient R 0 G 0 B 0 So don't forget to close Color Editor by pressing Keep. Go once again to Ecosystem Editor and assign the corresponding color to each environment by selecting it using the Ecosystem Color button. Press it several times until the correct one appears. Then save the project and parameters again, as done previously. Motion Editor Now it's time to take care of the framing, so let's go to Modules and then to Motion Editor. An extremely feature-rich window will open. Following is the list of parameters regarding the Camera, position and other characteristics: <pre> -Camera Altitude: 7.0 -Camera Latitude: 36.075 -Camera Longitude: 112.133 -Focus Attitude: -2.0 -Focus Latitude: 36.275 -Focus Longitude: 112.386 -Camera : 512 → rendering window -Camera Y: 384 → rendering window -View Arc: 80 → View width in degrees -Sun Longitude: 172 -Sun Latitude: -0.9 -Haze Start: 3.8 -Haze Range: 78, 5 </pre> As soon as the values ​​shown in the relevant sliders have been modified, we will be ready to open the CamView window to observe the wireframe preview. Let's not consider all the controls that will appear. Well from the Motion Editor if you have selected Camera Altitude and open the CamView panel, you can change the height of the camera by holding down the right mouse button and moving the mouse up and down. To update the view, press the Terrain button in the adjacent window. As soon as you are convinced of the position, confirm again with Keep. You can carry out the same work with the other functions of the camera, such as Focus Altitude... Let's now see the next positioning step on the Camera map, but let's leave the CamView preview window open while we go to Modules to open the window at the same time MapView. We will thus be able to take advantage of the view from the other together with a subjective one. From the MapView window, select with the left mouse button and while it is pressed, move the Camera as desired. To update the subjective preview, always click on Terrain. While with the same procedure you can intervene on the direction of the camera lens, by selecting the cross and with the left button pressed you can choose the desired view. So with the pressure of Terrain I update the Preview. Possibly can enlarge or reduce the Map View using the Zoom button, for greater precision. Also write that the circle around the cameras indicates the beginning of the haze, there are two types (haze and fog) linked to the altitude. Would also add that the camera height is editable through the Motion Editor panel. The sun Let's see that changing the position of the sun from the Motion Editor. Press the SUN button at the bottom right and set the time and the date. Longitude and latitude are automatically obtained by the program. Always open the View Arc command from the Motion Editor panel, an item present in the Parameter List box. Once again confirm everything with Keep and then save again. Animation The animation part is not left-back and also occupies a window. The settings possibilities are enormous. A time line with dragging functions ("slide", "drag"...) comparable to that of LightWave completes this window. A small window is available for positioning the stars as a function of a date, in order to vary the seasons and their various events (and yes...). At the bottom of the "Motion-Editor", a "cam-view" function will give you access to a control panel. Different preview modes are possible. The rendering is also accessible through a window. No less than nine pages compose it. At this level, you will be able to determine the backup name of your images ("path"), the type of texture to be calculated, the resolution of the images, activate or deactivate functions such as the depth buffer ("zbuffer"), the blur, the background image, etc. Once all these parameters have been set, all you have to do is click on the "Render" button. For rendering go to Modules and then Render. Select the resolution, then under IMA select the name of the image. Move to FRA and indicate the level of fractal detail which of 4 is quite good. Then Keep to confirm and then reopen the window, pressing Render you will see the result. The image will be opened with any viewing program. Strengths: * Multi-window. * Quality of rendering. * Accuracy. * Opening, preview and rendering on CyberGraphX screen. * Extract / Convert Interp DEM, Import DLG, DXF, WDB and export LW map 3d formats * The "zbuffer" function. Weaknesses: * No OpenGL management * Calculation time. * No network computing tool. ====Writing CD / DVD - Frying Pan==== Can be backup DVDs (4GB ISO size limit due to use of FileInfoBlock), create audio cds from mp3's, and put .iso files on discs If using for the first time - click Drive button and Device set to ata.device and unit to 0 (zero) Click Tracks Button - Drive 1 - Create New Disc or Import Existing Disc Image (iso bin/cue etc.) - Session File open cue file If you're making a data cd, with files and drawers from your hard drive, you should be using the ISO Builder.. which is the MUI page on the left. ("Data/Audio Tracks" is on the right). You should use the "Data/Audio tracks" page if you want to create music cds with AIFF/WAV/MP3 files, or if you download an .iso file, and you want to put it on a cd. Click WRITE Button - set write speed - click on long Write button Examples Easiest way would be to burn a DATA CD, simply go to "Tracks" page "ISO Builder" and "ADD" everything you need to burn. On the "Write" page i have "Masterize Disc (DAO)", "Close Disc" and "Eject after Write" set. One must not "Blank disc before write" if one uses a CDR AUDIO CD from MP3's are as easy but tricky to deal with. FP only understands one MP3 format, Layer II, everything else will just create empty tracks Burning bootable CD's works only with .iso files. Go to "Tracks" page and "Data/Audio Tracks" and add the .iso ====odf==== Every ODF file is a collection of several subdocuments within a package (ZIP file), each of which stores part of the complete document. * content.xml – Document content and automatic styles used in the content. * styles.xml – Styles used in the document content and automatic styles used in the styles themselves. * meta.xml – Document meta information, such as the author or the time of the last save action. * settings.xml – Application-specific settings, such as the window size or printer information. To read document follow these steps: * Extracting .ods file. * Getting content.xml file (which contains sheets data). * Creating XmlDocument object from content.xml file. * Creating DataSet (that represent Spreadsheet file). * With XmlDocument select “table:table” elements, and then create adequate DataTables. * Parse child’s of “table:table” element and fill DataTables with those data. * At the end, return DataSet and show it in application’s interface. To write document follow these steps: * Extracting template.ods file (.ods file that we use as template). * Getting content.xml file. * Creating XmlDocument object from content.xml file. * Erasing all “table:table” elements from the content.xml file. * Reading data from our DataSet and composing adequate “table:table” elements. * Adding “table:table” elements to content.xml file. * Zipping that file as new .ods file. XLS file format The XLS file format contains streams, substreams, and records. These sheet substreams include worksheets, macro sheets, chart sheets, dialog sheets, and VBA module sheets. All the records in an XLS document start with a 2-byte unsigned integer to specify Record Type (rt), and another for Count of Bytes (cb). A record cannot exceed 8224 bytes. If larger than the rest is stored in one or more continue records. * Workbook stream **Globals substream ***BoundSheet8 record - info for Worksheet substream i.e. name, location, type, and visibility. (4bytes the lbPlyPos FilePointer, specifies the position in the Workbook stream where the sheet substream starts) **Worksheet substream (sheet) - Cell Table - Row record - Cells (2byte=row 2byte=column 2byte=XF format) ***Blank cell record ***RK cell record 32-bit number. ***BoolErr cell record (2-byte Bes structure that may be either a Boolean value or an error code) ***Number cell record (64-bit floating-point number) ***LabelSst cell record (4-byte integer that specifies a string in the Shared Strings Table (SST). Specifically, the integer corresponds to the array index in the RGB field of the SST) ***Formula cell record (FormulaValue structure in the 8 bytes that follow the cell structure. The next 6 bytes can be ignored, and the rest of the record is a CellParsedFormula structure that contains the formula itself) ***MulBlank record (first 2 bytes give the row, and the next 2 bytes give the column that the series of blanks starts at. Next, a variable length array of cell structures follows to store formatting information, and the last 2 bytes show what column the series of blanks ends on) ***MulRK record ***Shared String Table (SST) contains all of the string values in the workbook. ACCRINT(), ACCRINTM(), AMORDEGRC(), AMORLINC(), COUPDAYBS(), COUPDAYS(), COUPDAYSNC(), COUPNCD(), COUPNUM(), COUPPCD(), CUMIPMT(), CUMPRINC(), DB(), DDB(), DISC(), DOLLARDE(), DOLLARFR(), DURATION(), EFFECT(), FV(), FVSCHEDULE(), INTRATE(), IPMT(), IRR(), ISPMT(), MDURATION(), MIRR(), NOMINAL(), NPER(), NPV(), ODDFPRICE(), ODDFYIELD(), ODDLPRICE(), ODDLYIELD(), PMT(), PPMT(), PRICE(), PRICEDISC(), PRICEMAT(), PV(), RATE(), RECEIVED(), SLN(), SYD(), TBILLEQ(), TBILLPRICE(), TBILLYIELD(), VDB(), XIRR(), XNPV(), YIELD(), YIELDDISC(), YIELDMAT(), <pre> </pre> <pre> </pre> <pre> </pre> {{BookCat}} 234uyh5am7zjb7ihml9rbjt5gkxdsdd 4671614 4671613 2026-09-21T14:54:52Z Jeff1138 301139 4671614 wikitext text/x-wiki ==Introduction== [[#Graphical Image Editing Art]] [[#Office Application]] [[#Audio]] [[#Misc Application]] [[#Games & Emulation]] [[#Application Guides]] [[#top|...to the top]] [[#top|...to the top]] Most apps can be opened on the Workbench (aka publicscreen pubscreen) which is the default display option but can offer a custom one set to your configurations (aka custom screen mode promotion). These custom ones tend to stack so the possible use of A-M/A-N method of switching between full screens and the ability to pull down screens as well If you are interested in creating or porting new software, see [http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Aros/Developer/Docs here] {| class="wikitable sortable" |- !width:30%;|Internet Applications !width:10%;|AROS(x86) !width:10%;|Commodore-Amiga OS 3.1 (68k) !width:10%;|Hyperion OS4(PPC) !width:10%;|MorphOS(PPC) |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Web Online Browser [], |<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=network/browser Amelinium], Odyssey 2.0, [https://www.arosworld.org/infusions/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=1175&highlight=odyssey&rowstart=100 Odyssey 3.0], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://juen.in/ Amelinium], [https://blog.alb42.de/programs/amifox/ amifox] with [https://github.com/alb42/wrp wrp server], IBrowse*, [https://github.com/zapek/Voyager Voyager], [https://github.com/amigazen/aweb3/ AWeb 3.6 src], [https://github.com/matjam/aweb AWeb Src], [http://aminet.net/package/comm/www/NetSurf-m68k-sources Netsurf], [], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[ Odyssey OWB], [ Timberwolf (Firefox port 2011)], [http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?forum=32&topic_id=32847 OWB-mui], [http://strohmayer.org/owb/ OWB-Reaction], IBrowse*, [http://os4depot.net/index.php?function=showfile&file=network/browser/aweb.lha AWeb], Voyager, [http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=network/browser Netsurf], |<!--MorphOS-->Wayfarer, [http://fabportnawak.free.fr/owb/ Odyssey OWB], [ Netsurf], IBrowse*, AWeb, [], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->YouTube, Dailymotion website downloading videos audio [https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp yt-dlp], [https://clipgrab.org/ clipgrab], |<!--AROS-->[], [https://blog.alb42.de/amitube/ Amitube], |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://blog.alb42.de/amitube/ Amitube], [ smtube], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[https://blog.alb42.de/amitube/ Amitube], getVideo, Tubexx, [https://github.com/walkero-gr/aiostreams aiostreams], |<!--MorphOS-->[ ytsearch], [https://blog.alb42.de/amitube/ Amitube], [http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=5 getVideo], Tubexx |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Old style E-mailing SMTP POP3 IMAP based |<!--AROS-->Emailinium, [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=network/email SimpleMail], [http://sourceforge.net/projects/simplemail/files/ src], [https://github.com/jens-maus/yam YAM] |<!--Amiga OS-->Emailinium, [http://sourceforge.net/projects/simplemail/files/ SimpleMail], [https://github.com/jens-maus/yam YAM] |<!--AmigaOS4-->SimpleMail, YAM, |<!--MorphOS--> SimpleMail, YAM |- |<!--Sub Menu-->IRC, ICB, |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=network/chat WookieChat], [https://sourceforge.net/projects/wookiechat/ Wookiechat src], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=network/chat AiRcOS], Jabberwocky, |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://github.com/charabaruk/WookieChat Wookiechat], AmIRC |<!--AmigaOS4-->Wookiechat |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=5 Wookiechat], [http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=5 AmIRC], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Instant Messaging IM like [https://github.com/BlitterStudio/amidon Hollywood lang based Mastodon client], BlueSky AT protocol, Facebook(TM), Twitter X (TM), Bitlbee IRC Gateway and others |<!--AROS-->[https://github.com/kaffeine1/telegram-amiga telegram-amiga], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=network/chat jabberwocky], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://amitwitter.sourceforge.net/ AmiTwitter], CLIMM, SabreMSN, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/ajabberwocky/ jabberwocky], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://amitwitter.sourceforge.net/ AmiTwitter], SabreMSN, |<!--MorphOS-->[http://amitwitter.sourceforge.net/ AmiTwitter], [http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=5 PolyglotNG], SabreMSN, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Torrents |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=network/p2p ArTorr], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->CTorrent, Transmission |<!--MorphOS-->MLDonkey, Beehive, [http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=5 Transmission], CTorrent, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->FTP |<!--AROS-->[https://github.com/BlitterStudio/dopus5 Dopus5 Magellan], MarranoFTP, [https://aminet.net/package/comm/tcp/wput-0.3.4c.i386-aros wput i386 c src] |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://github.com/BlitterStudio/dopus5 Dopus5 Magellan], [http://aminet.net/package/comm/tcp/AmiFTP AmiFTP], AmiTradeCenter, ncFTP, [https://aminet.net/package/comm/tcp/sana2-tftpclient sana2 tftpclient c src] |<!--AmigaOS4-->[https://github.com/BlitterStudio/dopus5 Dopus5 Magellan], |<!--MorphOS-->[https://github.com/BlitterStudio/dopus5 Dopus5 Magellan], [http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=5 Pftp], [http://aminet.net/package/comm/tcp/AmiFTP-1.935-OS4 AmiFTP], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->WYSIWYG Web Site Editor |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Internet Radio Streaming Audio [http://www.gnu.org/software/gnump3d/ gnump3d], [http://www.icecast.org/ Icecast2] Server (Broadcast) and Client (Listen), [ mpd], [http://darkice.sourceforge.net/ DarkIce], [http://www.dyne.org/software/muse/ Muse], |<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=audio/misc], Mplayer (Icecast Client only), |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://github.com/sandlbn/TuneFinder TuneFinder C Src], [https://github.com/sandlbn/TuneFinderMUI TuneFinderMUI], [http://amigazeux.net/anr/ AmiNetRadio], [https://github.com/boingball/MintAMP MintAMP], [], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.tunenet.co.uk/ Tunenet], |<!--MorphOS-->Mplayer, AmiNetRadio, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->VoIP (Voice over IP) with SIP Client (Session Initiation Protocol) or Asterisk IAX2 Clients Softphone (skype like) |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->AmiPhone with Speak Freely, |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Weather Forecast |<!--AROS-->[http://sourceforge.net/projects/zunetools/files/ WeatherBar], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/workbench AWeather], [] |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://amigazeux.net/wetter/ Wetter], [https://github.com/emartisoft/AmiWeatherForecasts AmiWeatherForecasts src], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://os4depot.net/?function=showfile&file=utility/workbench/flipclock.lha FlipClock], |<!--MorphOS-->[http://amigazeux.net/wetter/ Wetter], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Street Road Maps Route Planning GPS Tracking |<!--AROS-->[https://blog.alb42.de/programs/muimapparium/ MuiMapparium] [https://build.alb42.de/ Build of MuiMapp versions], |<!--Amiga OS-->AmiAtlas*, UKRoutePlus*, [http://blog.alb42.de/ AmOSM], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->[http://blog.alb42.de/programs/mapparium/ Mapparium], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Clock and Date setting from the internet (either ntp or websites) [https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/ World Clock], [http://www.time.gov/ NIST], [], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=network/misc ntpsync], [https://archives.arosworld.org/?function=showfile&file=utility/workbench/amitimekeeper.i386-aros.lha amitimekeeper with c src], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->ntpsync, [http://aminet.net/package/util/cdity/AmiTimeKeeper amitimekeeper], [http://aminet.net/comm/misc/netclock netclock], [https://aminet.net/package/comm/net/sntp sntp], [http://aminet.net/package/util/time/ScreenTime ScreenTime], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Newsgroups |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://newscoaster.sourceforge.net/ Newscoaster], [https://github.com/jens-maus/newsrog NewsRog], [ WorldNews], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->RSS |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://github.com/Team-Boingo/AmiRSS AmiRSS src] |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->AI |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://github.com/murinsel/AmigaAI Claude], [https://github.com/geekychris/amiga_mcp AI on host machine], [], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->BBS |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |} <nowiki>*</nowiki> Commercial product. ==Graphical Image Editing Art== {| class="wikitable sortable" |- !width:30%;|Image Editing !width:10%;|AROS(x86) !width:10%;|Commodore-Amiga OS 3.1(68k) !width:10%;|Hyperion OS4(PPC) !width:10%;|MorphOS(PPC) |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Pixel Raster Artwork [https://github.com/LibreSprite/LibreSprite LibreSprite based on GPL aseprite], [https://github.com/abetusk/hsvhero hsvhero], [], |<!--AROS-->[https://sourceforge.net/projects/zunetools/files/ZunePaint/ ZunePaint], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/edit LunaPaint], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/edit GrafX2], [ LodePaint needs OpenGL], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://www.amigaforever.com/classic/download.html PPaint], GrafX2, [https://github.com/grovdata/Amiga_Sources/blob/master/software.md DeluxePaint], [http://www.amiforce.de/perfectpaint/perfectpaint.php PerfectPaint], Zoetrope, Brilliance2*, |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/edit LodePaint], GrafX2, |<!--MorphOS-->Sketch, Pixel*, GrafX2, [http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=3 LunaPaint] |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Image viewing |<!--AROS-->[http://sourceforge.net/projects/zunetools/files/ ZuneView], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/viewer LookHere], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/viewer LoView], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/viewer PicShow] , [http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=31400&forum=32&start=80&viewmode=flat&order=0#583458 Picture Album], |<!--Amiga OS-->PicShow, PicView, Photoalbum, |<!--AmigaOS4-->WarpView, PicShow, flPhoto, Thumbs, [http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=31400&forum=32&start=80&viewmode=flat&order=0#583458 Picture Album], |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=3 ShowGirls], [http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=31400&forum=32&start=80&viewmode=flat&order=0#583458 Picture Album] |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Photography retouching / Image Manipulation like Photoshop(tm) |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/edit RNOEffects], |<!--Amiga OS-->[ Tecsoft Video Paint aka TVPaint], Photogenics*, ArtEffect*, ImageFX*, XiPaint, fxPaint, ImageMasterRT, Opalpaint, |<!--AmigaOS4-->WarpView, flPhoto, [http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/edit Photocrop] |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=3 ShowGirls], ImageFX*, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Manage RAW picture folder galleries like Darktable, RAWtherapy, etc |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Graphic Format Converter - ICC profile support sRGB, Adobe RGB, XYZ and linear RGB |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->GraphicsConverter, ImageStudio, [http://www.coplabs.org/artpro.html ArtPro] |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Thumbnail Generator [], |<!--AROS-->[http://sourceforge.net/projects/zunetools/files/ ZuneView], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/shell Thumbnail Generator] |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Icon Editor |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/iconedit Archives], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/workbench Icon Toolbox], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/iconedit IconEditor] |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->2D Pixel Art Animation |<!--AROS-->Lunapaint |<!--Amiga OS-->PPaint, AnimatED, Scala*, GoldDisk MovieSetter*, Walt Disney's Animation Studio*, ProDAD*, [https://github.com/historicalsource/DeluxePaint DeluxePaint src], Brilliance |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=3 Titler] |- |<!--Sub Menu-->2D SVG based MovieSetter type |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->MovieSetter*, Fantavision* |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Morphing |<!--AROS-->[ GLMorph] |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->2D Cad (qcad->LibreCAD, etc.) |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->Xcad, MaxonCAD |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->3D Cad like FreeCad, BRL-CAD, OpenSCAD, AvoCADo, etc. using dxf, obj (vertices), blend, |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->XCad3d*, DynaCADD*, [https://aminet.net/package/gfx/3d/Cycas178_EN Cycas]*, |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->3D Model Rendering of glft (json) gbl (png jpg), usdz (USD files with materials, textures, and animations), FBX Filmbox is a proprietary Autodesk format, |<!--AROS-->POV-Ray |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://www.discreetfx.com./amigaproducts.html CINEMA 4D]*, POV-Ray, Lightwave3D*, Real3D*, Caligari24*, Reflections/Monzoom*, [https://github.com/privatosan/RayStorm Raystorm src], Tornado 3D, [https://github.com/AlphaPixel/Eric-Graham-1987-Juggler-Raytracer-1.0 Eric-Graham-1987-Juggler-Raytracer-1.0] |<!--AmigaOS4-->Blender, POV-Ray, Yafray |<!--MorphOS-->Blender, POV-Ray, Yafray |- |<!--Sub Menu-->3D Format Converter [], [], |<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/?function=showfile&file=graphics/convert/ 3doc.i386-aros], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=showfile&file=graphics/convert/ivcon.lha IVCon] |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Screen grabbing display |<!--AROS-->[ Screengrabber], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/misc snapit], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=video/record screen recorder], [] |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Grab graphics music from apps [https://github.com/Malvineous/ripper6 ripper6], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |} <nowiki>*</nowiki> Commercial product. [[#top|...to the top]] ==Office Application== {| class="wikitable sortable" |- !width:30%;|Office !width:10%;|AROS (x86) !width:10%;|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiga_software Commodore-Amiga OS 3.1] (68k) !width:10%;|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AmigaOS_4 Hyperion OS4] (PPC) !width:10%;|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MorphOS MorphOS] (PPC) |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Office Suite |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->[ Softwood Final Office], [ Wordworth Office], [ Digita Office], [ The Works!], [ Europress Mini Office], [], [ Papyrus Office Demo], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->[ Papyrus Office], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Word-processing |<!--AROS-->[https://finalwriter.godaddysites.com/ Final Writer 7*], [https://www.arosworld.org/infusions/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=1995&rowstart=20&pid=12668#post_12668 Slovo], [https://github.com/sodero/MUI-Vim/releases MUI-Vim], [https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=office/wordprocessing Cinnamon Writer], [], |<!--AmigaOS-->[ Softwood FinalCopy II*], Haage AmigaWriter*, Digita WordWorth*, Softwood FinalWriter*, Micro-Systems Excellence 3*, Arnor Protext, Rashumon, [ InterWord], [ KindWords], [WordPerfect], [ New Horizons Flow], [ CygnusEd Pro], [ Micro-systems Scribble], |<!--AmigaOS4-->AbiWord, [ CinnamonWriter], |<!--MorphOS-->[ Cinnamon Writer], [http://www.meta-morphos.org/viewtopic.php?topic=1246&forum=53 scriba], [http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/index.php Papyrus Office], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Spreadsheets |<!--AROS-->[https://blog.alb42.de/programs/leu/ Leu], [https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=office/spreadsheet ], |<!--AmigaOS-->[https://aminet.net/package/biz/spread/ignition-src Ignition Src 1.3], [MaxiPlan 500 Plus], [OXXI Plan/IT v2.0 Speadsheet], [ Superplan], [ Creative Developments TurboCalc], [ ProCalc], [ InterSpread], [Digita DGCalc], [ Gold Disk Advantage], [ Micro-systems Analyze!] |<!--AmigaOS4-->Gnumeric, [https://ignition-amiga.sourceforge.net/ Ignition], |<!--MorphOS-->[ ignition], [http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php Papyrus Office], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Presentations |<!--AROS-->[http://www.hollywoood-mal.com/ Hollywood]*, |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://www.hollywoood-mal.com/ Hollywood]*, [https://github.com/evaneykelen/mediapoint-amiga MediaPoint C and asm], PointRider, Scala*, |<!--Amiga OS4-->[http://www.hollywoood-mal.com/ Hollywood]*, PointRider |<!--MorphOS-->[http://www.hollywoood-mal.com/ Hollywood]*, PointRider |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Databases |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=office/database BeeBase], |<!--Amiga OS-->Precision Superbase 4 Pro*, Arnor Prodata*, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/beebase/ BeeBase], Datastore, FinalData*, AmigaBase, Fiasco, Twist2*, [Digita DGBase], [], |<!--AmigaOS4-->BeeBase, SQLite, |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=6 BeeBase], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->PDF Viewing and editing digital signatures |<!--AROS-->[http://sourceforge.net/projects/arospdf/ ArosPDF via splash], [https://github.com/wattoc/AROS-vpdf vpdf wip], |<!--Amiga OS-->APDF |<!--AmigaOS4-->AmiPDF |<!--MorphOS-->APDF, vPDF, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Note Taking markdown support like Obsidian like, joplin, OneNote, EverNotes, xournalpp, etc |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Study and analyse, collect, organize, annotate, cite, and share |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->PIM Personal Information Manager - Day Diary Planner Calendar App |<!--AROS-->[ ], [ ], [ ], |<!--Amiga OS-->Digita Organiser*, On The Ball, Everyday Organiser, [ Contact Manager], |<!--AmigaOS4-->AOrganiser, |<!--MorphOS-->[http://polymere.free.fr/orga_en.html PolyOrga], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Accounting |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=office/misc ETB], LoanCalc, [ ], [ ], [ ], |[ Digita Home Accounts2], Accountant, Small Business Accounts, Account Master, [ Amigabok], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Project Management Research |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->SuperGantt, SuperPlan, |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Desktop |<!--AROS-->Wanderer, Scalos, Workbook, DOpus5, |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->[https://github.com/zapek/Ambient Ambient Src] |- |<!--Sub Menu-->System Wide Search |<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/filetool Finder], [], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->System Wide Dictionary - multilingual [http://sourceforge.net/projects/babiloo/ Babiloo], [http://code.google.com/p/stardict-3/ StarDict], |<!--AROS-->[ ], |<!--AmigaOS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->System wide Thesaurus - multi lingual |<!--AROS-->[ ], |Kuma K-Roget*, |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Sticky Desktop Notes (post it type) |<!--AROS-->[http://aminet.net/package/util/wb/amimemos.i386-aros AmiMemos], [https://aminet.net/package/util/wb/amimemos.src-aros AmiMemos Src], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://aminet.net/package/util/wb/StickIt-2.00 StickIt v2], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->DTP Desktop Publishing |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/edit RNOPublisher], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://pagestream.org/ Pagestream]*, Professional Pro Page*, Saxon Publisher, Pagesetter, PenPal, |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://pagestream.org/ Pagestream]* |<!--MorphOS-->[http://pagestream.org/ Pagestream]* |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Printing |<!--AROS-->Postscript 3 laser printers, [https://github.com/bohunamiga/MintPRINT MintPRINT AirPrint IPP], [ Ghostscript], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://github.com/boingball/MintPRINT MintPRINT IPP], [https://github.com/Andiweli/AmiAirprint AmiAirprint], [http://www.irseesoft.de/tp_what.htm TurboPrint]*, [ GutenPrint], [https://aminet.net/package/comm/tcp/NetPrinter NetPrinter LPR], [], [], |<!--AmigaOS4-->(some native drivers), |<!--MorphOS-->early TurboPrint included, [https://aminet.net/package/comm/tcp/NetPrinter NetPrinter LPR], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Scanning |<!--AROS-->[ SCANdal], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->FxScan*, ScanQuix*, [https://github.com/boingball/MintSCAN MintSCAN], |<!--AmigaOS4-->SCANdal (Sane) |<!--MorphOS-->SCANdal |- |<!--Sub Menu-->OCR |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/convert gOCR] |<!--AmigaOS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos-files.net/categories/office/text Tesseract] |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Text Editing |<!--AROS-->Jano Editor (already installed as Editor), [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=development/edit EdiSyn], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/text/edit Annotate], [https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=development/edit Vim], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/text/edit FrexxEd] [https://github.com/vidarh/FrexxEd src], [ NoWinEd], |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://aminet.net/package/text/edit/TurboText20 TurboText20 ttx], Annotate, MicroGoldED/CubicIDE*, CygnusED*, Protext*, NoWinED, |<!--AmigaOS4-->Notepad, Annotate, CygnusED*, NoWinED, |<!--MorphOS-->MorphOS ED, NoWinED, GoldED/CubicIDE*, CygnusED*, Annotate, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Office Fonts [http://sourceforge.net/projects/fontforge/files/fontforge-source/ Font Designer] |<!--AROS-->[ ], [ ], |<!--Amiga OS-->TypeSmith*, SaxonScript (GetFont Adobe Type 1), |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Drawing Vector |<!--AROS-->[http://sourceforge.net/projects/amifig/ ZuneFIG previously AmiFIG], [https://github.com/serk118/designworks-aros designworks aros 64bit] |<!--Amiga OS-->Drawstudio*, ProVector*, ArtExpression*, Professional Draw*, AmiFIG, MetaView, [https://gitlab.com/amigasourcecodepreservation/designworks Design Works Src], [], |<!--AmigaOS4-->MindSpace, [http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/edit amifig], |<!--MorphOS-->SteamDraw, [http://aminet.net/package/gfx/edit/amifig amiFIG], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->video conferencing (jitsi) |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->source code hosting |<!--AROS-->Gitlab, |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Remote Desktop (server) |<!--AROS-->[http://sourceforge.net/projects/zunetools/files/VNC_Server ArosVNCServer], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://s.guillard.free.fr/AmiVNC/AmiVNC.htm AmiVNC], [http://dspach.free.fr/amiga/avnc/index.html AVNC] |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://s.guillard.free.fr/AmiVNC/AmiVNC.htm AmiVNC] |MorphVNC, vncserver |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Remote Desktop (client) login and connect to another machine |<!--AROS-->[https://sourceforge.net/projects/zunetools/files/VNC_Client/ ArosVNC], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=network/misc rdesktop], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://twinvnc.free.fr/index.php?menu=01&lang=eng TwinVNC], [http://dspach.free.fr/amiga/vva/index.html VVA], [http://www.hd-zone.com/ RDesktop] |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://twinvnc.free.fr/index.php?menu=01&lang=eng TwinVNC], [http://www.hd-zone.com/ RDesktop] |[http://twinvnc.free.fr/index.php?menu=01&lang=eng TwinVNC], [http://www.hd-zone.com/ RDesktop] |- |<!--Sub Menu-->notifications |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->Ranchero |<!--AmigaOS4-->Ringhio |<!--MorphOS-->MagicBeacon |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Biometric facial logins and fingerprint security features |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |} <nowiki>*</nowiki> Commercial product. [[#top|...to the top]] ==Audio== {| class="wikitable sortable" |- !width:30%;|Audio !width:10%;|AROS(x86) !width:10%;|Commodore-Amiga OS 3.1(68k) !width:10%;|Hyperion OS4(PPC) !width:10%;|MorphOS(PPC) |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Playing playback Audio like MP3, [https://github.com/chrg127/gmplayer NSF], [https://github.com/kode54/lazyusf miniusf .usflib] [https://gitlab.com/kode54/psflib with pfslib], [], [], etc |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=video/play Mplayer], [ HarmonyPlayer hp], [http://www.a500.org/downloads/audio/index.xhtml playcdda] CDs, [ WildMidi Player], [https://bszili.morphos.me/ UADE mod player], [], [ RNOTunes], [ mp3Player], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->AmiNetRadio, AmigaAmp, playOGG, [https://codeberg.org/tygre/amimodradio amimodradio] |<!--AmigaOS4-->TuneNet, SimplePlay, AmigaAmp, TKPlayer |AmiNetRadio, Mplayer, Kaya, AmigaAmp |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Editing Audio |<!--AROS-->[ Audio Evolution 4] |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://sourceforge.net/projects/hd-rec/ HD-Rec Src], [http://www.sonicpulse.de/eng/news.html SoundFX], [ Samplitude], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[https://sourceforge.net/projects/hd-rec/ HD-Rec], AmiSoundED, [http://os4depot.net/?function=showfile&file=audio/record/audioevolution4.lha Audio Evolution 4] |[http://www.hd-rec.de/HD-Rec/index.php?site=home HD-Rec], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Editing Tracker Music |<!--AROS-->[https://github.com/hitchhikr/protrekkr Protrekkr], [ Schism Tracker], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=audio/tracker MilkyTracker], [http://www.hivelytracker.com/ HivelyTracker], [ Radium in AROS already], [http://www.a500.org/downloads/development/index.xhtml libMikMod], |<!--Amiga OS-->MilkyTracker, HivelyTracker, DigiBooster, Octamed SoundStudio, [https://github.com/elindstrom/soundtracker soundtracker], |<!--AmigaOS4-->MilkyTracker, HivelyTracker, GoatTracker |MilkyTracker, GoatTracker, DigiBooster, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Editing Music [], [https://github.com/kmatheussen/camd CAMD] and/or staves and musical notes on manuscript [https://github.com/ratchov/midish midish] midi sequencer |<!--AROS-->[http://bnp.hansfaust.de/ Bars and Pipes], [], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://bnp.hansfaust.de/ Bars'n'Pipes], MusicX* David "Talin" Joiner & Craig Weeks (for Notator-X), Deluxe Music Construction Set DMCS2*, [https://github.com/timoinutilis/midi-sequencer-amigaos Horny c Src] [https://github.com/kas1e/midi-sequencer-amigaos/tree/master/HornyGCC HornyGCC OS4 src] [https://github.com/capehill/midi-sequencer-amigaos Horny OS4 fork src] [https://www.amigans.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?start=0&topic_id=8143&order=ASC&status=&mode=0 OS4 thread], HD-Rec, [https://aminet.net/package/mus/midi/dominatorV1_51 Dominator], [https://github.com/royaltm/Amiga-midiIn Amiga-midiIn], [ Aegis Sonix 2.0] |<!--AmigaOS4-->[https://sourceforge.net/p/hd-rec/code/HEAD/tree/ HD-Rec Src], Rockbeat, [http://bnp.hansfaust.de/download.html Bars'n'Pipes], [https://github.com/gooofy/freeaction Horny OS4 src fork], Audio Evolution 4, |<!--MorphOS-->Bars'n'Pipes, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Sound Sampling |<!--AROS-->[ Advanced AHI Recorder all], [https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=audio/record Audio Evolution 4], [http://www.imica.net/SitePortalPage.aspx?siteid=1&did=162 Quick Record], [https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=audio/misc SOX to get AIFF 16bit files], [https://github.com/aros-development-team/AROS/tree/master/workbench/tools/AHIRecord AHIRecord], |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://aminet.net/package/mus/edit/AudioEvolution3_src Audio Evolution 3 c src], [ Samplitude]*, Audiomaster IV*, |<!--AmigaOS4-->[https://github.com/timoinutilis/phonolith-amigaos phonolith c src], HD-Rec, Audio Evolution 4, |<!--MorphOS-->[https://sourceforge.net/p/hd-rec/code/HEAD/tree/ HD-Rec Src], Audio Evolution 4, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Audio Processing like easyeffects so having limiter, compressor, convolver, equalizer and auto volume and many other plugins |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Live Looping or Audio Misc - Groovebox like |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->CD/DVD burn |<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility IsoTools], [https://code.google.com/p/amiga-fryingpan/ FryingPan], |<!--Amiga OS-->FryingPan, [ MakeCD], |<!--AmigaOS4-->FryingPan, AmiDVD, |<!--MorphOS-->[http://www.amiga.org/forums/printthread.php?t=58736 FryingPan], Jalopeano, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->CD/DVD audio rip |<!--AROS-->Lame, [http://www.imica.net/SitePortalPage.aspx?siteid=1&cfid=0&did=167 Quick CDrip], |<!--Amiga OS-->Lame, |<!--AmigaOS4-->Lame, |<!--MorphOS-->Lame, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->MP3 v1 and v2 Tagger |<!--AROS-->id3ren (v1), [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=audio/edit mp3info], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> | |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Audio Convert |<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=audio/misc Sox], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://aminet.net/package/mus/misc/SoundBox SoundBox], [http://aminet.net/package/mus/misc/SoundBoxKey SoundBox Key], [http://aminet.net/package/mus/edit/SampleE SampleE], sox |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->DJ mixing jamming |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://github.com/djh0ffman/PT1210 Hoffman PT1210 DJ tracker], [], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Radio Automation Software [http://www.rivendellaudio.org/ Rivendell], [http://code.campware.org/projects/livesupport/report/3 Campware LiveSupport], [http://www.sourcefabric.org/en/airtime/ SourceFabric AirTime], [http://www.ohloh.net/p/mediabox404 MediaBox404], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Speakers Audio Sonos Mains AC networked wired controlled *2005 ZP100 with ZP80 *2008 Zoneplayer ZP120 (multi-room wireless amp) ZP90 receiver only with CR100 controller, *2009 ZonePlayer S5, *2010 BR100 wireless Bridge (no support), *2011 Play:3 *2013 Bridge (no support), Play:1, *2016 Arc, Play:1, *Beam (Gen 2), Playbar, Ray, Era 100, Era 300, Roam, Move 2, *Sub (Gen 3), Sub Mini, Five, Amp S2 |<!--AROS-->SonosController |<!--Amiga OS-->SonosController |<!--AmigaOS4-->SonosController |<!--MorphOS-->SonosController |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Smart Speakers |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |} <nowiki>*</nowiki> Commercial product. [[#top|...to the top]] ==Video Creativity and Production== {| class="wikitable sortable" |- !width:30%;|Video !width:10%;|AROS(x86) !width:10%;|Commodore-Amiga OS 3.1(68k) !width:10%;|Hyperion OS4(PPC) !width:10%;|MorphOS(PPC) |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Playing Video |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=video/play Mplayer], [ VAMP], [http://www.a500.org/downloads/video/index.xhtml CDXL player], [http://www.a500.org/downloads/video/index.xhtml IffAnimPlay], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->Frogger*, AMP2, MPlayer, RiVA*, MooViD*, |<!--AmigaOS4-->DvPlayer, MPlayer |<!--MorphOS-->MPlayer, Frogger, AMP2, VLC |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Streaming Video and game streaming like OBS studio, Parsec, [https://github.com/lizardbyte/sunshine sunshine], [https://github.com/moonlight-stream/moonlight-qt moonlight], etc |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Playing DVD |<!--AROS-->[http://a-mc.biz/ AMC]*, Mplayer |<!--Amiga OS-->AMP2, Frogger |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://a-mc.biz/ AMC]*, DvPlayer*, AMP2, |<!--MorphOS-->Mplayer |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Screen Recording |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=video/record Screenrecorder], [ ], [ ], [ ], [ ], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->Screenrecorder, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Create Edit Individual Video - Amiga like OSs have no pro NLE |<!--AROS-->[ Mencoder], [ Quick Videos], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/edit AVIbuild], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/misc FrameBuild], FFMPEG, |<!--Amiga OS-->[ MainConcept Mainactor Broadcast*], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_Toaster Video Toaster*] with [https://discreetfx.com/openvideotoaster.html some c src], MacroSystem MovieShop 4.3*, proDAD Adorage*, [ IOSpirit VHI studio]*, [Gold Disk ShowMaker], [], |<!--AmigaOS4-->FFMpeg/GUI |<!--MorphOS-->Blender, Mencoder, FFmpeg |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Subtitle editor |<!--AROS-->[https://aminet.net/package/text/edit/Slarti_Arosx86ABIv0 Slarti_Arosx86ABIv0], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->IP-based video production workflows with High Dynamic Range (HDR), 10-bit color collaborative NDI, |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Blogging like Lemmy or kbin |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->VR face recognition for Vtubers |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->VR chatting Live2D models with Cubism type editor or [https://github.com/AyagamiDev/ayagami ayagami] like with zipped moc3 with model metadata (model3, cdi3) <pre> Model data (cmo3) Basic motions (can3) Background image (png) Set of files for embedding (runtime folder) • Model data (moc3) • Motion data (motion3.json) • Model settings file (model3.json) • Physics settings file (physics3.json) • Display auxiliary file (cdi3.json) </pre> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->VR chatting chatters .VRML models - standardized 3D file format for VR avatars |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->V-tubers V-tubing like Vseeface with Openseeface tracker or Vpuppr (virtual puppet project) for online live 2d / 3d art models rigging rigged LIV |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |} <nowiki>*</nowiki> Commercial product. [[#top|...to the top]] ==Misc Application== {| class="wikitable sortable" |- !width:30%;|Misc Application !width:10%;|AROS(x86) !width:10%;|Commodore-Amiga OS 3.1 (68k) !width:10%;|Hyperion OS4(PPC) !width:10%;|MorphOS(PPC) |- |<!--Sub Menu-->File Management |<!--AROS-->DOpus4, [https://github.com/BlitterStudio/dopus5 DOpus Magellan aka DOpus 5], [ Scalos], [ ], |<!--Amiga OS-->DOpus2, DOpus 4, [https://github.com/BlitterStudio/dopus5 Dopus5 Magellan], ClassAction, FileMaster, [http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=4897 DirWork 2]*, [https://github.com/RudolphRiedel/DiskMaster2 DiskMaster2 src], |<!--AmigaOS4-->DOpus4, [https://github.com/BlitterStudio/dopus5 Dopus5 Magellan], Filer, AmiDisk |<!--MorphOS-->DOpus4, [https://github.com/BlitterStudio/dopus5 Dopus5 Magellan], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->File Verification / Repair |<!--AROS-->[https://arosarchives.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility md5sum], [https://arosarchives.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/filetool asum], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/filetool workpar2] (PAR2), [http://zakalwe.fi/~shd/foss/cksfv/files/ compile cksfv from website], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->Par2, |- |Application Installer |<!--AROS-->[], [ InstallerNG], |<!--Amiga OS-->InstallerNG, Grunch, |<!--AmigaOS4-->Jack |<!--MorphOS-->Jack |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Compression archiver [https://github.com/FS-make-simple/paq9a paq9a], [], |<!--AROS-->XAD system is a toolkit designed for handling various file and disk archiver |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[https://aminet.net/package/util/pack/decrunchmania_os4 Crunchmania CrM2 depacker], |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Binary Hexadecimal Editor |<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=development/edit Zaphod], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Filesystem Partition Editor formatter Disk Management |<!--AROS-->[https://www.arosworld.org/infusions/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=1440&highlight=partition&pid=8821#post_8821 QuickPart], [ HDToolBox] |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://github.com/stefanskotte/hdpart hdpart], [https://github.com/ChuckyGang/AmiPart AmiPart], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Filesystem Repair and backups |<!--AROS-->ArSFSDoctor, |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://aminet.net/package/disk/bakup/quarterback_src Quarterback Tools C and asm src], [ ], [ ], [ ], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->System Disk check, integrity and history [https://github.com/smartmontools/smartmontools smart tools], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->[], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Multiple File renaming |<!--AROS-->DOpus 4 or 5, |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Anti Virus |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->VChecker, |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Random Wallpaper Desktop changer [ DOpus5], [ Scalos], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Alarm Clock, Timer, Stopwatch, Countdown |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/workbench DClock], [http://aminet.net/util/time/AlarmClockAROS.lha AlarmClock], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |} ==Misc Application 2== {| class="wikitable sortable" |- !width:30%;|Misc Application !width:10%;|AROS(x86) !width:10%;|Commodore-Amiga OS 3.1(68k) !width:10%;|Hyperion OS4(PPC) !width:10%;|MorphOS(PPC) |- |<!--Sub Menu-->C/C++ IDE Integrated Development |<!--AROS-->[https://sourceforge.net/projects/aidea/ AIDEa], [ Murks], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://devplex.awardspace.biz/cubic/index.html Cubic IDE]*, [ StormC], [https://github.com/jens-maus/amide amide], [], |<!--AmigaOS4-->CodeBench , [https://gitlab.com/boemann/codecraft CodeCraft], |<!--MorphOS-->[http://devplex.awardspace.biz/cubic/index.html Cubic IDE]*, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->C/C++ Text Editors |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/text/edit FrexxEd], [https://github.com/vidarh/FrexxEd FrexxEd src], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/text/edit Annotate] with [https://www.onyxsoft.se/files/annotate_src.lha src], |<!--Amiga OS-->[ Protext], [ CED], [], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->[https://www.onyxsoft.se/annotate.html Annotate], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Repository |<!--AROS-->[ Git] |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->Git |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->BASIC Computer Language |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=development/language Basic4SDL], [ Ace Basic], [ X-AMOS], [SDLBasic], [ Alvyn], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://www.amiforce.de/main.php Amiblitz 3] with [https://github.com/AmiBlitz/AmiBlitz3 Asm src], [http://amos.condor.serverpro3.com/AmosProManual/contents/c1.html Amos Pro] with [https://github.com/AmiDARK/AmosProfessionalUnity-Official-Releases Asm src], [http://aminet.net/package/dev/basic/ace24dist ACE Basic], [https://github.com/gooofy/aqb aqb], [], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->sdlBasic |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Computer Languages Translation [https://tetracorp.github.io/guide/reverse-engineering-amiga.html], [https://amigasourcecodepreservation.gitlab.io/amiga-assembler-insider-guide/], [https://github.com/kermitfrog/Amiga-Re-Engineering Rust, Ghidra and FS-UAE], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://bitbucket.org/rhinoid/convert68000toc/src/main/ convert m68k seka asm-one to c], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Gui Creators |<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=development/guitool MuiBuilder], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->[ MuiBuilder], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Catalog .cd .ct Custom App Language Editors |<!--AROS-->FlexCat, [https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility Flexcat GUI], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://www.geit.de/deu_simplecat.html SimpleCat], FlexCat |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://aminet.net/package/dev/misc/simplecat SimpleCat], FlexCat |<!--MorphOS-->[http://www.geit.de/deu_simplecat.html SimpleCat], FlexCat |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Cross Development |<!--AROS-->[], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://github.com/geekychris/amiga_mcp amiga_mcp], [https://github.com/mbergmann-sh/AmigaED4-IDE AmigaED4-IDE], [https://lemonspawn.com/turbo-rascal-syntax-error-expected-but-begin/ Turbo Rascal], [], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |} <nowiki>*</nowiki> Commercial product. ==Misc Application 3== {| class="wikitable sortable" |- !width:30%;|Misc Application !width:10%;|AROS(x86) !width:10%;|Commodore-Amiga OS 3.1(68k) !width:10%;|Hyperion OS4(PPC) !width:10%;|MorphOS(PPC) |- |<!--Sub Menu-->System |<!--AROS-->[ SysExplorer], [ SysMon], [ Scout], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Terminals Shells CLIs |<!--AROS-->[https://tomaszstaniak.com/aros-term/ aros-term], [], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->OSK On Screen Keyboard |<!--AROS-->[], |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://aminet.net/util/wb/OSK.lha OSK] |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Screen Magnifier Magnifying Glass Magnification |<!--AROS-->[http://www.onyxsoft.se/files/zoomit.lha ZoomIT], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Comic Book CBR CBZ format reader viewer |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/viewer comics], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/viewer comicon], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Ebook Reader |<!--AROS-->[https://blog.alb42.de/programs/#legadon Legadon EPUB],[] |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Ebook Converter |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Text to Speech tts [https://github.com/JonathanFly/bark-installer Bark], [], |<!--AROS-->[ Echo " " >SPEAK:A1 inbuilt], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=audio/misc flite], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://www.text2speech.com translator], [https://github.com/sidick/narrator.wyoming narrator.wyoming], [], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=search&tool=simple FLite] |<!--MorphOS-->[http://se.aminet.net/pub/aminet/mus/misc/ FLite] |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Speech Voice Recognition Dictation - [http://sourceforge.net/projects/cmusphinx/files/ CMU Sphinx], [http://julius.sourceforge.jp/en_index.php?q=en/index.html Julius], [http://www.isip.piconepress.com/projects/speech/index.html ISIP], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Speech Voice Changer [], [], [], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Screen Display Blanker screensaver |<!--AROS-->Blanker Commodity (built in), [https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/screenblanker GarshneBlanker], [http://sourceforge.net/projects/gblanker/ GBlanker Src], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->MultiCX, |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->ModernArt Blanker, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Fortune Cookie Quotes Sayings |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/misc AFortune], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |} ==Misc Application 4== {| class="wikitable sortable" |- !width:30%;|Misc Application !width:10%;|AROS(x86) !width:10%;|Commodore-Amiga OS 3.1(68k) !width:10%;|Hyperion OS4(PPC) !width:10%;|MorphOS(PPC) |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Fractals mandelbrot, etc |<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/misc], |<!--Amiga OS-->ZoneXplorer, |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Landscape Rendering |<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/raytrace WCS World Construction Set], |<!--Amiga OS-->[ Vista Pro], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Construction_Set World Construction Set] |<!--AmigaOS4-->[ WCS World Construction Set], |<!--MorphOS-->[ WCS World Construction Set], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Astronomy [https://sourceforge.net/projects/skychart/ skychart freepascal], [], [], |<!--AROS-->[ Digital Almanac (ABIv0 only)], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://aminet.net/search?query=planetarium Aminet search], [http://aminet.net/misc/sci/DA3V56ISO.zip Digital Almanac], [https://aminet.net/package/misc/sci/da3sourceV58 Src c V58], [ Galileo renamed to Distant Suns]*, [], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://sourceforge.net/projects/digital-almanac/ Digital Almanac], Distant Suns*, [http://www.digitaluniverse.org.uk/ Digital Universe]*, |<!--MorphOS-->[http://www.aminet.net/misc/sci/da3.lha Digital Almanac], [http://www.aminet.net/package/misc/sci/da3-mos-src Src c V56], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Astrology [https://sourceforge.net/projects/skylendar/ skylendar], [https://github.com/CruiserOne/Astrolog Astrolog], [https://www.astrolog.org/astrolog/astfile.htm Astrology alt site], [https://saravali.github.io/download.html Maitreya], [https://github.com/alamahant/Asteria Asteria], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Genealogy History Family Tree Ancestry Records (FreeBMD, FreeREG, and FreeCEN file formats or GEDCOM GenTree) |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> [ Origins], [ Your Family Tree], [ ], [ ], [ ], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Languages |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->Fun School, |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Mathematics ([http://www-fourier.ujf-grenoble.fr/~parisse/install_en.html Xcas], etc.), |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/scientific mathX] |<!--Amiga OS-->Maple V, mathX, Fun School, GCSE Maths, [ ], [ ], [ ], |<!--AmigaOS4-->Yacas |<!--MorphOS-->Yacas |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Maths Graph Function Plotting |<!--AROS-->[https://blog.alb42.de/programs/#MUIPlot MUIPlot], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->App Utility Launcher Dock toolbar |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/docky BoingBar], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://github.com/adkennan/DockBot Dockbot], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->3D Printer [https://github.com/OrcaSlicer/OrcaSlicer OrcaSlicer] |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->PCB design |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->[ ], [ ], [ ], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Digital Signage |<!--AROS-->Hollywood, Hollywood Designer |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->HAM radio, amateur radio, packet radio, [], [], [], [https://cemaxecuter.com/ Dragon OS], [https://github.com/km4ack/73Linux with 73 link update], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAL5KNePRSg video for], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://github.com/punktniklas/NiKom NiKom], [https://www.amigarealm.com/amiga/amicomms/comm4.htm Comm4], [https://www.amigarealm.com/archives/comms/aarug/ TNC Terminal Node Controller with packets over serial connections on Yaesu or Woxum handheld], [https://aminet.net/comm/misc AmiCom], [ with 7Plus file encoder/decoder], [ mksstv], [ RTTYam], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->modern smart home network like Home Assistant Automation Yellow, Green, Mosquitto, EMQX, |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://github.com/evil4dmin/ami2ha HA], [https://github.com/sidick/midge mtqq.lib], [https://aminet.net/package/comm/tcp/AmiHomeassist-0.7 AmiHomeassist], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Teaching classroom learning training [https://github.com/moodle/moodle moodle], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |} <nowiki>*</nowiki> Commercial product. ==Games & Emulation== Some emulators/games require OpenGL to function and to adjust ahi prefs channels, frequency and unit0 and unit1 and [http://aros.sourceforge.net/documentation/users/shell/changetaskpri.php changetaskpri -1] Rom patching https://www.marcrobledo.com/RomPatcher.js/ https://www.romhacking.net/patch/ (ips, ups, bps, etc) and this other site supports the latter formats https://hack64.net/tools/patcher.php Free public domain roms for use with emulators can be found [http://www.pdroms.de/ here] as most of the rest are covered by copyright rules. If you like to read about old games see [http://retrogamingtimes.com/ here] and [http://www.armchairarcade.com/neo/ here] and a [http://www.vintagecomputing.com/ blog] about old computers. Possibly some of the [http://www.answers.com/topic/list-of-best-selling-computer-and-video-games best selling] of all time. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_computer_system_emulators Wiki] with emulated systems list. [https://archive.gamehistory.org/ Archive of VGHF], [https://library.gamehistory.org/ Video Game History Foundation Library search] {| class="wikitable sortable" |- !width:10%;|Games [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer Emulation] !width:10%;|AROS(x86) !width:10%;|AmigaOS3(68k) !width:10%;|AmigaOS4(PPC) !width:10%;|MorphOS(PPC) |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Amstrad CPC |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer], [ Caprice32 (OpenGL & pure SDL)], [ Arnold], [https://retroshowcase.gr/cpcbox-master/], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer] |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=2], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Apple2 and 2GS |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Arcade |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem Mame], [ SI Emu (ABIv0 only)], |<!--Amiga OS-->Mame, |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem xmame], amiarcadia, |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=2 Mame], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Atari 2600 [], [], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem Stella], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Atari 5200 [https://github.com/wavemotion-dave/A5200DS A5200DS], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Atari 7800 |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Atari 400 800 130XL [https://github.com/wavemotion-dave/A8DS A8DS], [], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer Atari800], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Atari Lynx |<!--AROS-->[http://myfreefilehosting.com/f/6366e11bdf_1.93MB Handy (ABIv0 only)], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Atari Jaguar |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Bandai Wonderswan |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation BBC Micro and Acorn Electron [http://beehttps://bem-unix.bbcmicro.com/download.html BeebEm], [http://b-em.bbcmicro.com/ B-Em], [http://elkulator.acornelectron.co.uk/ Elkulator], [http://electrem.emuunlim.com/ ElectrEm], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Dragon 32 and Tandy CoCo [http://www.6809.org.uk/xroar/ xroar], [], |<!--AROS-->[], [], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Commodore C16 Plus4 |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Commodore C64 |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer Vice (ABIv0 only)], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->Frodo, |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem viceplus], |<!--MorphOS-->Vice, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Commodore Amiga |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer Janus UAE], Emumiga, |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer UAE], |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=2 UAE], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Japanese MSX MSX2 |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Mattel Intelivision |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Mattel Colecovision and Adam |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Milton Bradley (MB) Vectrex [ Vectrex OpenGL], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation PICO8 Pico-8 fantasy video game console [https://github.com/egordorichev/pemsa-sdl/ pemsa-sdl], [https://github.com/jtothebell/fake-08 fake-08], [https://github.com/Epicpkmn11/fake-08/tree/wip fake-08 fork], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Nintendo Gameboy |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem vba no sound], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem vba] |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Nintendo NES |<!--AROS-->[ EmiNES], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem Fceu], [https://github.com/takahirox/nes-js?tab=readme-ov-file nes-js], [https://github.com/bfirsh/jsnes jsnes], [https://github.com/angelo-wf/NesJs NesJs], |<!--Amiga OS-->AmiNES, [http://www.dridus.com/~nyef/darcnes/ darcNES], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem amines] |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Nintendo SNES |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem Zsnes], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem warpsnes] |<!--MorphOS-->[http://fabportnawak.free.fr/snes/ Snes9x], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Nintendo N64 *HLE and plugins [ mupen64], [https://github.com/ares-emulator/ares ares], [https://github.com/N64Recomp/N64Recomp N64Recomp], [https://github.com/rt64/rt64 rt64], [https://github.com/simple64/simple64 Simple64], *LLE [], |<!--AROS-->[http://code.google.com/p/mupen64plus/ Mupen64+], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://code.google.com/p/mupen64plus/ Mupen64+], [http://aminet.net/package/misc/emu/tr-981125_src TR64], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->[ Nintendo Gamecube Wii] |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->[ Nintendo Wii U] |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->[https://github.com/yuzu-emu Nintendo Switch] |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation NEC PC Engine |<!--AROS-->[], [], [https://github.com/yhzmr442/jspce js-pce], |[http://www.hugo.fr.fm/ Hugo], [http://mednafen.sourceforge.net/ Mednafen], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem tgemu] |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Sega Master System (SMS) |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem Dega], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem sms], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem osmose] |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Sega Genesis/Megadrive |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem gp no sound], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem DGen], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://code.google.com/p/genplus-gx/ Genplus], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem genesisplus] |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Sega Saturn *HLE [https://mednafen.github.io/ mednafen], [http://yabause.org/ yabause], [], *LLE [], [], |<!--AROS-->? |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://yabause.org/ Yabause], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Sega Dreamcast *HLE [https://github.com/flyinghead/flycast flycast], [https://code.google.com/archive/p/nulldc/downloads NullDC], *LLE [], [], |<!--AROS-->? |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Sinclair ZX80 and ZX81 |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer], [], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Sinclair Spectrum |[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer Fuse (crackly sound)], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer SimCoupe], [ FBZX slow], [https://jsspeccy.zxdemo.org/ jsspeccy], [http://torinak.com/qaop/games qaop], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://www.lasernet.plus.com/ Asp], [http://www.zophar.net/sinclair.html Speculator], [http://www.worldofspectrum.org/x128/index.html X128], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer] |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Sinclair QL |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://aminet.net/package/misc/emu/QDOS4amiga1 QDOS4amiga] |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation SNK NeoGeo Pocket |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem gngeo], NeoPop, |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Sony PlayStation |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem FPSE], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem FPSE] |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->[ Sony PS2] |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->[ Sony PS3] |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->[https://vita3k.org/ Sony Vita] |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->[https://github.com/shadps4-emu/shadPS4 PS4] |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tangerine_Computer_Systems Tangerine] Oric and Atmos |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer Oricutron] |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem Oricutron] |<!--MorphOS-->[http://aminet.net/package/misc/emu/oricutron Oricutron] |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation TI 99/4 99/4A [https://github.com/wavemotion-dave/DS994a DS994a], [], [https://js99er.net/#/ js99er], [], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://aminet.net/package/misc/emu/TI4Amiga TI4Amiga], [http://aminet.net/package/misc/emu/TI4Amiga_src TI4Amiga src in c], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation HP 38G 40GS 48 49G/50G Graphing Calculators |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation TI 58 83 84 85 86 - 89 92 Graphing Calculators |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |} {| class="wikitable sortable" |- !width:10%;|Games [https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/ General] !width:10%;|AROS(x86) !width:10%;|AmigaOS3(68k) !width:10%;|AmigaOS4(PPC) !width:10%;|MorphOS(PPC) |- style="background:lightgrey;{{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Games [https://www.trackawesomelist.com/michelpereira/awesome-open-source-games/ Open Source and others] || AROS || Amiga OS || Amiga OS4 || Morphos |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Action like [https://github.com/opentomb/OpenTomb opentomb], [https://github.com/LostArtefacts/TRX TRX formerly Tomb1Main], [https://github.com/TombEngine TombEngine], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/action Thrust], [https://github.com/fragglet/sdl-sopwith sdl sopwith], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/action], [https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/action BOH], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://github.com/BSzili/OpenLara/tree/amiga/src source of openlara SDL2], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Adventure like [http://dotg.sourceforge.net/ DMJ], [https://github.com/kromenak/gengine Gabriel Knight 3], [http://www.sarien.net/ Sierra Sarien], [https://github.com/klembot/twinejs twine js], [https://github.com/QSPFoundation/qspgui Quest Soft Player QSP], [], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/adventure dmagnetic], [https://archives.arosworld.org/?function=browse&cat=emulation/misc ScummVM], [https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/roleplaying frotz infocom], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Board like [https://github.com/aperture-software/colditz-escape escape from colditz], [], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/board], [http://amigan.1emu.net/releases Africa] |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Cards |<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/card], [https://www.arosworld.org/infusions/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=1443&rowstart=180&pid=12934#post_12934 Balatro], |<!--AmigaOS-->[http://home.arcor.de/amigasolitaire/e/welcome.html Reko], [https://github.com/samskivert/beschei-en beschei Src], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Misc [https://github.com/michelpereira/awesome-open-source-games Awesome open], [https://github.com/bobeff/open-source-games General Open Source], [https://github.com/SAT-R/sa2 Sonic Advance 2], [https://github.com/velorek1/cwordle Wordle type], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/misc], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games FPS like [https://aminet.net/package/game/shoot/D1X_Rebirth_AGA Descent D1X src], [https://github.com/DescentDevelopers/Descent3 Descent 3], [https://github.com/Fewnity/Counter-Strike-Nintendo-DS Counter-Strike-Nintendo-DS], [https://github.com/Aleph-One-Marathon/alephone Bungie Marathon 1994], [https://zdoom.org/downloads UzDoom opengl 3.3], [https://github.com/ZDoom/gzdoom gzdoom opengl 3+], [https://zdoom.org/downloads LZDoom opengl 2.1], [https://github.com/OpenXRay/xray-16 S.T.A.L.K.E.R Xray], |<!--AROS-->Doom, Quake, [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/fps Quake 3 Arena (OpenGL)], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/fps Cube (OpenGL)], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/fps Assault Cube (OpenGL)], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/fps Cube 2 Sauerbraten (OpenGL)], [http://fodquake.net/test/ FodQuake QuakeWorld], [https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/fps Duke Nukem 3D], [https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/fps Darkplaces Nexuiz Xonotic], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/fps Doom 3 SDL (OpenGL)], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/fps Hexenworld and Hexen 2], [https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/fps Aliens vs Predator Gold 2000 avp (openGL)], [https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/fps Odamex (openGL doom)], [https://archives.arosworld.org/?function=showfile&file=game/fps/ zgloom], [], [https://archives.arosworld.org/?function=showfile&file=game/fps/ ab3dhd], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->Doom, Quake, AB3D, Fears, Breathless, Gloom, |<!--AmigaOS4-->Doom, Quake, |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=12 Doom], Quake, Quake 3 Arena, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games MMORG like |<!--AROS-->[ Eternal Lands (OpenGL)], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Platform like |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/platform], [ Maze of Galious], [ Gish]*(openGL), [ Mega Mario], [https://archives.arosworld.org/?function=showfile&file=game/platform/ thextech SMBX], [http://www.gianas-return.de/ Giana's Return], [http://www.sqrxz.de/ Sqrxz], [www.sqrxz2.de/ Sqrxz 2], [http://www.sqrxz.de/sqrxz-3/ Sqrxz 3], [http://www.sqrxz.de/sqrxz-4/ Sqrxz 4], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/platform Cave Story], [https://bszili.morphos.me/ Frogatto], [https://bszili.morphos.me/ OpenJazz], [https://archives.arosworld.org/?function=showfile&file=game/platform/ pekkakana2], [ Aquaria], [https://archives.arosworld.org/?function=showfile&file=game/platform/ sonic CD], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->[ Giana Sisters], [], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Puzzle [https://github.com/mariopartyrd/marioparty4/tree/port Party], [https://github.com/mdodis/OpenSolomonsKey OpenSolomonsKey], [], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/puzzle], [ Cubosphere (OpenGL)], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/puzzle Candy Crisis], [http://bszili.morphos.me/ TailTale], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Racing [ Trigger Rally], [ VDrift], [http://www.ultimatestunts.nl/index.php?page=2&lang=en Ultimate Stunts], [http://maniadrive.raydium.org/ Mania Drive], [https://github.com/plowteam/donut Simpsons Hit and Run], [], |<!--AROS-->[ Super Tux Kart (OpenGL)], [http://www.dusabledanslherbe.eu/AROSPage/F1Spirit.30.html F1 Spirit (OpenGL)], [http://bszili.morphos.me/index.html MultiRacer], [https://bszili.morphos.me/ Speed Dreams], [https://archives.arosworld.org/?function=showfile&file=game/driving/dethrace-0.10.1.x86_64-aros-v11.zip Carmageddon dethrace 64bit], [], |<!--AmigaOS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://bszili.morphos.me/index.html Speed Dreams], |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=12], [http://bszili.morphos.me/index.html TORCS], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games 1st first person DRPG [https://wiki.rpg.net/index.php/Open_Game_Systems Misc], [https://github.com/OpenEnroth/OpenEnroth OpenEnroth MM], [] |<!--AROS-->[https://github.com/BSzili/aros-stuff Arx Libertatis], [http://www.playfuljs.com/a-first-person-engine-in-265-lines/ js raycaster], [https://github.com/Dorthu/es6-crpg webgl], [https://github.com/sonountaleban/AmiShockolate System Shock], [], [], |<!--AmigaOS-->Phantasie, Faery Tale, Dungeon Master, |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games 3rd third person action CRPG [https://sourceforge.net/projects/sumwars/ Summoning Wars], [https://www.solarus-games.org/ Solarus], [https://wiki.rpg.net/index.php/Open_Game_Systems Misc], [https://github.com/alexbatalov/fallout1-ce fallout ce], [https://github.com/rwengine/openrw gta3], [https://github.com/gta-reversed/gta-reversed gta3 sa], [https://github.com/mrxenginner/reVC gta3 vc revc], [https://github.com/jakobharder/burntime/tree/main Burntime], |<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/?function=showfile&file=game/strategy/ fheroes2 homm2], [https://archives.arosworld.org/?function=showfile&file=game/roleplaying/ breakhack], [https://archives.arosworld.org/?function=showfile&file=game/roleplaying/ devilutionx diablo 1 hellfire], [https://archives.arosworld.org/?function=showfile&file=game/roleplaying/ fallout 1], [https://archives.arosworld.org/?function=showfile&file=game/strategy/ stratagus], [https://archives.arosworld.org/?function=showfile&file=game/strategy/ hostile-takeover], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games isometric RPG [https://sourceforge.net/projects/sumwars/ Summoning Wars], [https://www.solarus-games.org/ Solarus], [https://wiki.rpg.net/index.php/Open_Game_Systems Misc], [https://github.com/topics/dungeon?l=javascript Dungeon], [], [https://github.com/clintbellanger/heroine-dusk JS Dusk], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/roleplaying nethack], [https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/roleplaying GemRB], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games card based RPG [https://github.com/open-duelyst/duelyst Duelyst], [], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games turn based tactics RPG [], [], [], [], [], [], |<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/strategy UFO AI], [http://play.freeciv.org/ FreeCiv], [], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Strategy [http://rtsgus.org/ RTSgus], [http://stargus.sourceforge.net/ Stargus], [https://github.com/KD-lab-Open-Source/Perimeter Perimeter], [https://matty77.itch.io/conflict-3049 conflict-3049], [https://github.com/ZeroK-RTS/Zero-K Zero-K multi player rts lua], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/strategy MegaGlest (OpenGL)], [https://archives.arosworld.org/?function=showfile&file=game/strategy/ signus], [https://www.arosworld.org/infusions/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=1443&rowstart=140&pid=12446#post_12446 Wargus warcraft 2 setup], |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://aminet.net/package/game/strat/OpenDUNE_RTG OpenDUNE_RTG src] |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=12] |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Rhythm, Beat, Step [], [], [https://clonehero.net/ clonehero], [https://github.com/MatteoGodzilla/Dj-Engine Dj-Engine], |<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/misc Frets on Fire], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Shoot Em Ups [http://www.mhgames.org/oldies/formido/ Formido], [http://code.google.com/p/violetland/ Violetland], ||<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/action Open Tyrian], [http://www.parallelrealities.co.uk/projects/starfighter.php Starfighter], [ Alien Blaster], [https://github.com/OpenFodder/openfodder OpenFodder], [https://archives.arosworld.org/?function=showfile&file=game/action/ tbftss The Battle for the Solar System: the Pandora War] |<!--AmigaOS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.parallelrealities.co.uk/projects/starfighter.php Starfighter], [ The Battle for the Solar System: the Pandora War] |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Simulations [http://scp.indiegames.us/ Freespace 2], [http://www.heptargon.de/gl-117/gl-117.html GL117], [http://code.google.com/p/corsix-th/ Theme Hospital], [http://code.google.com/p/freerct/ Rollercoaster Tycoon], [http://hedgewars.org/ Hedgewars], [https://github.com/raceintospace/raceintospace raceintospace], [https://github.com/Return-To-The-Roots RTTR Settlers 2], [https://github.com/OoliteProject/oolite oolite elite], [https://github.com/fesh0r/newkind newkind elite], [https://github.com/bohemiainteractive/cwr Arma Cold War Src], [], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->SimCity, SimAnt, Sim Hospital, Theme Park, [https://github.com/angree/openttd_amiga_68k openttd amiga_68k], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=12] |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Life Sim [https://github.com/ACreTeam/forest Animal Crossing], [ ], [], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Horror [https://github.com/Mikompilation/MikuPan Fatal Frame], [ ], [], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Sandbox Voxel Open World Exploration [https://github.com/ClassiCube/ Classicube],[http://www.michaelfogleman.com/craft/ Craft], [https://github.com/tothpaul/DelphiCraft DelphiCraft],[https://www.minetest.net/ Luanti formerly Minetest], [ infiniminer], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Battle Royale [https://bruh.io/ Play.Bruh.io], [https://www.coolmathgames.com/0-copter Copter Royale], [https://surviv.io/ Surviv.io], [https://nuggetroyale.io/#Ketchup Nugget Royale], [https://miniroyale2.io/ Miniroyale2.io], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Tower Defense [https://chriscourses.github.io/tower-defense/ HTML5], [https://github.com/SBardak/Tower-Defense-Game TD C++], [https://github.com/bdoms/love_defense LUA and LOVE], [https://github.com/HyOsori/Osori-WebGame HTML5], [https://github.com/PascalCorpsman/ConfigTD ConfigTD Pascal], [https://github.com/GloriousEggroll/wine-ge-custom Wine], [] |<!--AROS-->[https://www.arosworld.org/infusions/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=1443&rowstart=180&pid=12871#post_12871 Plants vs Zombies PvZ], |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://github.com/boingball/miggy-tower-defense miggy-tower-defense], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Visual Novel Engines [https://github.com/diane1f0cd/VisualNovelTemplate Visual Novel Template], [https://github.com/Kirilllive/tuesday-js Tuesday JS], [https://github.com/tejasnayak25/vnsutra vnsutra], [https://github.com/weetabix-su/renpsp-dev RenPSP], [https://github.com/Galladite27/ONScripter-EN ONScripter-EN], [https://github.com/NathanGuilhot/VNES-Raylib https://github.com/NathanGuilhot/VNES VNES in Raylib], [https://www.renpy.org/latest.html renpy ren'py python based], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Virtual Reality VR [https://gitlab.com/madsbuvi/openmw openmw vr], [https://github.com/Team-Beef-Studios/BeefRaiderXR BeefRaiderXR], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Virtual Table Top VTT [ Roll20], [https://www.owlbear.rodeo/ owlbear rodeo], [], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Computer assisted TableTop TTRPG OSR [https://www.rpgsolo.com/play.php RPGSolo], [https://github.com/fpsvogel/solo-ttrpgs Solo TTRPG], [], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games 2D 3D Engines [https://github.com/fegennari/3DWorld 3DWorld], [https://github.com/GarageGames/Torque3D Torque3D], [https://github.com/gameplay3d/GamePlay GamePlay 3D], [https://www.babylonjs.com/ BabylonJS ], [ Godot], [ Ogre], [ Crystal Space], [https://github.com/JacobHess03/ Dragon-Quest like], [https://github.com/bjornbytes/lovr Lua LOVE for 2D LOVR for 3D], [], |<!--AROS-->[https://www.arkhamdev.net/wiki.htm?id=agx Arkham Development antiryadgx 8.9 lts with register], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://github.com/alpyre/Sevgi_Engine Sevgi Engine], [], [], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games C based game frameworks [https://github.com/orangeduck/Corange Corange], [https://github.com/scottcgi/Mojoc Mojoc], [https://orx-project.org/ Orx], [https://github.com/ioquake/ioq3 Quake 3], [https://www.mapeditor.org/ Tiled], [https://www.raylib.com/ 2d Raylib], [https://github.com/Rabios/awesome-raylib other raylib], [https://github.com/MrFrenik/gunslinger Gunslinger], [https://o3de.org/ o3d], [http://archives.aros-exec.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=development/library GLFW], [], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=development/library Raylib 5], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games RPGMaker MV/MZ-compatible projects [https://github.com/Psychronic-Games/RPGReactor RPGReactor js], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Virtual Pinball [https://github.com/vpinball/vpinball vpinball], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games unpack unarc [], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |} ==Application Guides== [[#top|...to the top]] ===Web Browser=== OWB is now at version 2.0 (which got an engine refresh, from July 2015 to February 2019) and 3.0. This latest version has a good support for many/most web sites, even YouTube web page now works. [https://www.bilibili.tv/en/search untested] This improved compatibility comes at the expense of higher RAM usage (now 1GB RAM is the absolute minimum). Also, keep in mind that the lack of a JIT (Just-In-Time) JS compiler on the 32 bit version, makes the web surfing a bit slow. Only the 64 bit version of OWB 2.0 will have JIT enabled, thus benefitting of more speed. There are tooltypes that can be added to the icon to provide further features JIT, MSE etc Certificates from [https://curl.se/docs/caextract.html ca certs], DNS tracking blocking with [https://easylist.to/easylist/easylist.txt easylist.txt] in PROGDIR:Conf before starting browser with enabled AdBlock [https://github.com/easylist/easylist/tree/master easylist], [https://gitlab.com/eyeo anti abp], [https://firebog.net/ big blocklist], [https://github.com/StevenBlack/hosts Steves], [], [], This can be enabled with OWB Odyssey with Windows -> Content Blocking and Windows -> Messages and enter https://www.youtube.com/api/stats/ads* https://www.youtube.com/pagead/adview* https://www.youtube.com#@##player-ads* into your custom filters Element blocker browser extension might be needed for [https://github.com/easylist/easylist/wiki/Youtube-Issues youtube], [ mid roll], [ pre roll], [ ], OWB speed is much better when running from RAM Disk, the best way is to add the below into your S:User-Startup which copies OWB drawer from Extras:Internet/OWB to RAM Disk: So add this : <pre> copy Extras:Internet/OWB Ram:OWB/ ALL CLONE >NIL: copy Extras:Internet/OWB.info Ram: >NIL: </pre> Open RAM Disk and open OWB drawer and double click on OWB icon so that the above icon tooltypes are activated Problems are that the copy time is long (around 20 seconds added in the background), but we can make it faster if we delete useless files from the OWB drawer (docs, …) If you don’t copy the drawer back onto the HD, you won’t save your cache, cookies, passwords… So you need a script for it. copy Extras:Internet/Amelinium/#? Ram:Amelinium/ ALL CLONE >NIL: Error messages SSL error "cant verify with ca-certificates", check bios clock time date is correct Error 6, try checking networking prefs settings and Save / Use preferences again or a '''few times''' otherwise the network chipset may not be compatible with Aros [https://www.google.com/search?q=%s&udm=14 Google search without AI overview] [ DuckDuckGo] [ Ecosia] [ Qwant] [ Swisscows] [ Mojeek] [ Brave Search] [ PreSearch] [ Startpage] ===E-mail=== Emailinium is now available for IMAP and POP3 based accounts YAM does not support SSL and most mail providers now switched to encrypted SMTP/POP3 connections ====SimpleMail==== SimpleMail supports IMAP and appears to work with GMail, but it's never been reliable enough, it can crash with large mailboxes. Please read more on this [http://www.freelists.org/list/simplemail-usr User list] GMail Be sure to activate the pop3 usage in your gmail account setup / configuration first. pop3: pop.gmail.com Use SSL: Yes Port: 995 smtp: smtp.gmail.com (with authentication) Use Authentication: Yes Use SSL: Yes Port: 465 or 587 Hotmail/MSN/outlook/Microsoft Mail mid-2017, all outlook.com accounts will be migrated to Office 365 / Exchange Most users are currently on POP which does not allow showing folders and many other features (technical limitations of POP3). With Microsoft IMAP you will get folders, sync read/unread, and show flags. You still won't get push though, as Microsoft has not turned on the IMAP Idle command as at Sept 2013. If you want to try it, you need to first remove (you can't edit) your pop account (long-press the account on the accounts screen, delete account). Then set it up this way: 1. Email/Password 2. Manual 3. IMAP 4. * Incoming: imap-mail.outlook.com, port 993, SSL/TLS should be checked * Outgoing: smtp-mail.outlook.com, port 587, SSL/TLS should be checked * POP server name pop-mail.outlook.com, port 995, POP encryption method SSL Yahoo Mail On April 24, 2002 Yahoo ceased to offer POP access to its free mail service. Introducing instead a yearly payment feature, allowing users POP3 and IMAP server support, along with such benefits as larger file attachment sizes and no adverts. Sorry to see Yahoo leaving its users to cough up for the privilege of accessing their mail. Understandable, when competing against rivals such as Gmail and Hotmail who hold a large majority of users and were hacked in 2014 as well. Incoming Mail (IMAP) Server * Server - imap.mail.yahoo.com * Port - 993 * Requires SSL - Yes Outgoing Mail (SMTP) Server * Server - smtp.mail.yahoo.com * Port - 465 or 587 * Requires SSL - Yes * Requires authentication - Yes Your login info * Email address - Your full email address (name@domain.com) * Password - Your account's password * Requires authentication - Yes Note that you need to enable “Web & POP Access” in your Yahoo Mail account to send and receive Yahoo Mail messages through any other email program. You will have to enable “Allow your Yahoo Mail to be POPed” under “POP and Forwarding”, to send and receive Yahoo mails through any other email client. Cannot be done since 2002 unless the customer pays Yahoo a subscription subs fee to have access to SMTP and POP3 * Set the POP server for incoming mails as pop.mail.yahoo.com. You will have to enable “SSL” and use 995 for Port. * “Account Name or Login Name” – Your Yahoo Mail ID i.e. your email address without the domain “@yahoo.com”. * “Email Address” – Your Yahoo Mail address i.e. your email address including the domain “@yahoo.com”. E.g. myname@yahoo.com * “Password” – Your Yahoo Mail password. Yahoo! Mail Plus users may have to set POP server as plus.pop.mail.yahoo.com and SMTP server as plus.smtp.mail.yahoo.com. * Set the SMTP server for outgoing mails as smtp.mail.yahoo.com. You will also have to make sure that “SSL” is enabled and use 465 for port. you must also enable “authentication” for this to work. ====YAM Yet Another Mailer==== YAM does not support SSL and most mail providers have now switched to encrypted SMTP/POP3 connections This email client is POP3 only if the SSL library is available [http://www.freelists.org/list/yam YAM Freelists] One of the downsides of using a POP3 mailer unfortunately - you have to set an option not to delete the mail if you want it left on the server. IMAP keeps all the emails on the server. Possible issues Sending mail issues is probably a matter of using your ISP's SMTP server, though it could also be an SSL issue. getting a "Couldn't initialise TLSv1 / SSL error Use of on-line e-mail accounts with this email client is not possible as it lacks the OpenSSL AmiSSl v3 compatible library GMail Incoming Mail (POP3) Server - requires SSL: pop.gmail.com Use SSL: Yes Port: 995 Outgoing Mail (SMTP) Server - requires TLS: smtp.gmail.com (use authentication) Use Authentication: Yes Use STARTTLS: Yes (some clients call this SSL) Port: 465 or 587 Account Name: your Gmail username (including '@gmail.com') Email Address: your full Gmail email address (username@gmail.com) Password: your Gmail password Anyway, the SMTP is pop.gmail.com port 465 and it uses SSLLv3 Authentication. The POP3 settings are for the same server (pop.gmail.com), only on port 995 instead. Outlook.com access <pre > Outlook.com SMTP server address: smtp.live.com Outlook.com SMTP user name: Your full Outlook.com email address (not an alias) Outlook.com SMTP password: Your Outlook.com password Outlook.com SMTP port: 587 Outlook.com SMTP TLS/SSL encryption required: yes </pre > Yahoo Mail <pre > “POP3 Server” – Set the POP server for incoming mails as pop.mail.yahoo.com. You will have to enable “SSL” and use 995 for Port. “SMTP Server” – Set the SMTP server for outgoing mails as smtp.mail.yahoo.com. You will also have to make sure that “SSL” is enabled and use 465 for port. you must also enable “authentication” for this to work. “Account Name or Login Name” – Your Yahoo Mail ID i.e. your email address without the domain “@yahoo.com”. “Email Address” – Your Yahoo Mail address i.e. your email address including the domain “@yahoo.com”. E.g. myname@yahoo.com “Password” – Your Yahoo Mail password. </pre > Yahoo! Mail Plus users may have to set POP server as plus.pop.mail.yahoo.com and SMTP server as plus.smtp.mail.yahoo.com. Note that you need to enable “Web & POP Access” in your Yahoo Mail account to send and receive Yahoo Mail messages through any other email program. You will have to enable “Allow your Yahoo Mail to be POPed” under “POP and Forwarding”, to send and receive Yahoo mails through any other email client. Cannot be done since 2002 unless the customer pays Yahoo a monthly fee to have access to SMTP and POP3 Microsoft Outlook Express Mail 1. Get the files to your PC. By whatever method get the files off your Amiga onto your PC. In the YAM folder you have a number of different folders, one for each of your folders in YAM. Inside that is a file usually some numbers such as 332423.283. YAM created a new file for every single email you received. 2. Open up a brand new Outlook Express. Just configure the account to use 127.0.0.1 as mail servers. It doesn't really matter. You will need to manually create any subfolders you used in YAM. 3. You will need to do a mass rename on all your email files from YAM. Just add a .eml to the end of it. Amazing how PCs still rely mostly on the file name so it knows what sort of file it is rather than just looking at it! There are a number of multiple renamers online to download and free too. 4. Go into each of your folders, inbox, sent items etc. And do a select all then drag the files into Outlook Express (to the relevant folder obviously) Amazingly the file format that YAM used is very compatible with .eml standard and viola your emails appear. With correct dates and working attachments. 5. If you want your email into Microsoft Outlook. Open that up and create a new profile and a new blank PST file. Then go into File Import and choose to import from Outlook Express. And the mail will go into there. And viola.. you have your old email from your Amiga in a more modern day format. ===FTP=== Magellan has a great FTP module. It allows transferring files from/to a FTP server over the Internet or the local network and, even if FTP is perceived as a "thing of the past", its usability is all inside the client. The FTP thing has a nice side effect too, since every Icaros machine can be a FTP server as well, and our files can be easily transferred from an Icaros machine to another with a little configuration effort. First of all, we need to know the 'server' IP address. Server is the Icaros machine with the file we are about to download on another Icaros machine, that we're going to call 'client'. To do that, move on the server machine and 1) run Prefs/Services to be sure "FTP file transfer" is enabled (if not, enable it and restart Icaros); 2) run a shell and enter this command: ifconfig -a Make a note of the IP address for the network interface used by the local area network. For cabled devices, it usually is net0:. Now go on the client machine and run Magellan: Perform these actions: 1) click on FTP; 2) click on ADDRESS BOOK; 3) click on "New". You can now add a new entry for your Icaros server machine: 1) Choose a name for your server, in order to spot it immediately in the address book. Enter the IP address you got before. 2) click on Custom Options: 1) go to Miscellaneous in the left menu; 2) Ensure "Passive Transfers" is NOT selected; 3) click on Use. We need to deactivate Passive Transfers because YAFS, the FTP server included in Icaros, only allows active transfers at the current stage. Now, we can finally connect to our new file source: 1) Look into the address book for the newly introduced server, be sure that name and IP address are right, and 2) click on Connect. A new lister with server's "MyWorkspace" contents will appear. You can now transfer files over the network choosing a destination among your local (client's) volumes. Can be adapted to any FTP client on any platform of your choice, just be sure your client allows Active Transfers as well. ===IRC Internet Relay Chat=== Jabberwocky is ideal for one-to-one social media communication, use IRC if you require one to many. Just type a message in ''lowercase''' letters and it will be posted to all in the [ AROS irc channel]. Please do not use UPPER CASE as it is a sign of SHOUTING which is annoying. Other things to type in - replace <message> with a line of text and <nick> with a person's name <pre> /help /list /who /whois <nick> /msg <nick> <message> /query <nick> <message>s /query /away <message> /away /quit <going away message> </pre> [http://irchelp.org/irchelp/new2irc.html#smiley Intro guide here]. IRC Primer can be found here in [http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/ircprimer.html html], [http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/text/ircprimer.txt TXT], [http://www.kei.com/irc/IRCprimer1.1.ps PostScript]. Issue the command /me <text> where <text> is the text that should follow your nickname. Example: /me slaps ajk around a bit with a large trout /nick <newNick> /nickserv register <password> <email address> /ns instead of /nickserv, while others might need /msg nickserv /nickserv identify <password> Alternatives: /ns identify <password> /msg nickserv identify <password> ==== IRC WookieChat ==== WookieChat is the most complete internet client for communication across the IRC Network. WookieChat allows you to swap ideas and communicate in real-time, you can also exchange Files, Documents, Images and everything else using the application's DCC capabilities. add smilies drawer/directory run wookiechat from the shell and set stack to 1000000 e.g. wookiechat stack 1000000 select a server / server window * nickname * user name * real name - optional Once you configure the client with your preferred screen name, you'll want to find a channel to talk in. servers * New Server - click on this to add / add extra - change details in section below this click box * New Group * Delete Entry * Connect to server * connect in new tab * perform on connect Change details * Servername - change text in this box to one of the below Server: * Port number - no need to change * Server password * Channel - add #channel from below * auto join - can click this * nick registration password, Click Connect to server button above <pre> Server: irc.freenode.net Channel: #aros </pre> irc://irc.freenode.net/aros <pre> Server: chat.amigaworld.net Channel: #amigaworld or #amigans </pre> <pre> On Sunday evenings USA time usually starting around 3PM EDT (1900 UTC) Server:irc.superhosts.net Channel #team*amiga </pre> <pre> BitlBee and Minbif are IRCd-like gateways to multiple IM networks Server: im.bitlbee.org Port 6667 Seems to be most useful on WookieChat as you can be connected to several servers at once. One for Bitlbee and any messages that might come through that. One for your normal IRC chat server. </pre> [http://www.bitlbee.org/main.php/servers.html Other servers], <pre> #Amiga.org - irc.synirc.net eu.synirc.net dissonance.nl.eu.synirc.net (IPv6: 2002:5511:1356:0:216:17ff:fe84:68a) twilight.de.eu.synirc.net zero.dk.eu.synirc.net us.synirc.net avarice.az.us.synirc.net envy.il.us.synirc.net harpy.mi.us.synirc.net liberty.nj.us.synirc.net snowball.mo.us.synirc.net - Ports 6660-6669 7001 (SSL) </pre> <pre> Multiple server support "Perform on connect" scripts and channel auto-joins Automatic Nickserv login Tabs for channels and private conversations CTCP PING, TIME, VERSION, SOUND Incoming and Outgoing DCC SEND file transfers Colours for different events Logging and automatic reloading of logs mIRC colour code filters Configurable timestamps GUI for changing channel modes easily Configurable highlight keywords URL Grabber window Optional outgoing swear word filter Event sounds for tabs opening, highlighted words, and private messages DCC CHAT support Doubleclickable URL's Support for multiple languages using LOCALE Clone detection Auto reconnection to Servers upon disconnection Command aliases Chat display can be toggled between AmIRC and mIRC style Counter for Unread messages Graphical nicklist and graphical smileys with a popup chooser </pre> ====IRC Aircos ==== Double click on Aircos icon in Extras:Networking/Apps/Aircos. It has been set up with a guest account for trial purposes. Though ideally, choose a nickname and password for frequent use of irc. ====IRC and XMPP Jabberwocky==== Servers are setup and close down at random You sign up to a server that someone else has setup and access chat services through them. The two ways to access chat from jabberwocky <pre > Jabberwocky -> Server -> XMPP -> open and ad-free Jabberwocky -> Server -> Transports (Gateways) -> Proprietary closed systems </pre > The Jabber.org service connects with all IM services that use XMPP, the open standard for instant messaging and presence over the Internet. The services we connect with include Google Talk (closed), Live Journal Talk, Nimbuzz, Ovi, and thousands more. However, you can not connect from Jabber.org to proprietary services like AIM, ICQ, MSN, Skype, or Yahoo because they don’t yet use XMPP components (XEP-0114) '''but''' you can use Jabber.com's servers and IM gateways (MSN, ICQ, Yahoo etc.) instead. The best way to use jabberwocky is in conjunction with a public jabber server with '''transports''' to your favorite services, like gtalk, Facebook, yahoo, ICQ, AIM, etc. You have to register with one of the servers, [https://list.jabber.at/ this list] or [http://www.jabberes.org/servers/ another list], [http://xmpp.net/ this security XMPP list], Unfortunately jabberwocky can only connect to one server at a time so it is best to check what services each server offers. If you set it up with separate Facebook and google talk accounts, for example, sometimes you'll only get one or the other. Jabberwocky open a window where the Jabber server part is typed in as well as your Nickname and Password. Jabber ID (JID) identifies you to the server and other users. Once registered the next step is to goto Jabberwocky's "Windows" menu and select the "Agents" option. The "Agents List" window will open. Roster (contacts list) [http://search.wensley.org.uk/ Chatrooms] (MUC) are available File Transfer - can send and receive files through the Jabber service but not with other services like IRC, ICQ, AIM or Yahoo. All you need is an installed webbrowser and OpenURL. Clickable URLs - The message window uses Mailtext.mcc and you can set a URL action in the MUI mailtext prefs like SYS:Utils/OpenURL %s NEWWIN. There is no consistent Skype like (H.323 VoIP) video conferencing available over Jabber. The move from xmpp to Jingle should help but no support on any amiga-like systems at the moment. [http://aminet.net/package/dev/src/AmiPhoneSrc192 AmiPhone] and [http://www.lysator.liu.se/%28frame,faq,nobg,useframes%29/ahi/v4-site/ Speak Freely] was an early attempt voice only contact. SIP and Asterisk are other PBX options. Facebook If you're using the XMPP transport provided by Facebook themselves, chat.facebook.com, it looks like they're now requiring SSL transport. This means jabberwocky method below will no longer work. The best thing to do is to create an ID on a public jabber server which has a Facebook gateway. <pre > 1. launch jabberwocky 2. if the login window doesn't appear on launch, select 'account' from the jabberwocky menu 3. your jabber ID will be user@chat.facebook.com where user is your user ID 4. your password is your normal facebook password 5. to save this for next time, click the popup gadget next to the ID field 6. click the 'add' button 7. click the 'close' button 8. click the 'connect' button </pre > you're done. you can also click the 'save as default account' button if you want. jabberwocky configured to auto-connect when launching the program, but you can configure as you like. there is amigaguide documentation included with jabberwocky. [http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=37085&forum=32 Read more here] for Facebook users, you can log-in directly to Facebook with jabberwocky. just sign in as @chat.facebook.com with your Facebook password as the password Twitter For a few years, there has been added a twitter transport. Servers include [http://jabber.hot-chilli.net/ jabber.hot-chili.net], and . An [http://jabber.hot-chilli.net/tag/how-tos/ How-to] :Read [http://jabber.hot-chilli.net/2010/05/09/twitter-transport-working/ more] Instagram no support at the moment best to use a web browser based client ICQ The new version (beta) of StriCQ uses a newer ICQ protocol. Most of the ICQ Jabber Transports still use an older ICQ protocol. You can only talk one-way to StriCQ using the older Transports. Only the newer ICQv7 Transport lets you talk both ways to StriCQ. Look at the server lists in the first section to check. Register on a Jabber server, e.g. this one works: http://www.jabber.de/ Then login into Jabberwocky with the following login data e.g. xxx@jabber.de / Password: xxx Now add your ICQ account under the window->Agents->"Register". Now Jabberwocky connects via the Jabber.de server with your ICQ account. Yahoo Messenger although yahoo! does not use xmpp protocol, you should be able to use the transport methods to gain access and post your replies MSN early months of 2013 Microsoft will ditch MSN Messenger client and force everyone to use Skype...but MSN protocol and servers will keep working as usual for quite a long time.... Occasionally the Messenger servers have been experiencing problems signing in. You may need to sign in at www.outlook.com and then try again. It may also take multiple tries to sign in. (This also affects you if you’re using Skype.) You have to check each servers' Agents List to see what transports (MSN protocol, ICQ protocol, etc.) are supported or use the list address' provided in the section above. Then register with each transport (IRC, MSN, ICQ, etc.) to which you need access. After registering you can Connect to start chatting. msn.jabber.com/registered should appear in the window. From this [http://tech.dir.groups.yahoo.com/group/amiga-jabberwocky/message/1378 JW group] guide which helps with this process in a clear, step by step procedure. 1. Sign up on MSN's site for a passport account. This typically involves getting a Hotmail address. 2. Log on to the Jabber server of your choice and do the following: * Select the "Windows/Agents" menu option in Jabberwocky. * Select the MSN Agent from the list presented by the server. * Click the Register button to open a new window asking for: **Username = passort account email address, typically your hotmail address. **Nick = Screen name to be shown to anyone you add to your buddy list. **Password = Password for your passport account/hotmail address. * Click the Register button at the bottom of the new window. 3. If all goes well, you will see the MSN Gateway added to your buddy list. If not, repeat part 2 on another server. Some servers may show MSN in their list of available agents, but have not updated their software for the latest protocols used by MSN. 4. Once you are registered, you can now add people to your buddy list. Note that you need to include the '''msn.''' ahead of the servername so that it knows what gateway agent to use. Some servers may use a slight variation and require '''msg.gate.''' before the server name, so try both to see what works. If my friend's msn was amiga@hotmail.co.uk and my jabber server was @jabber.meta.net.nz.. then amiga'''%'''hotmail.com@'''msn.'''jabber.meta.net.nz or another the trick to import MSN contacts is that you don't type the hotmail URL but the passport URL... e.g. Instead of: goodvibe%hotmail.com@msn.jabber.com You type: goodvibe%passport.com@msn.jabber.com And the thing about importing contacts I'm afraid you'll have to do it by hand, one at the time... Google Talk any XMPP server will work, but you have to add your contacts manually. a google talk user is typically either @gmail.com or @talk.google.com. a true gtalk transport is nice because it brings your contacts to you and (can) also support file transfers to/from google talk users. implement Jingle a set of extensions to the IETF's Extensible Messaging and Presence Protocol (XMPP) support ended early 2014 as Google moved to Google+ Hangouts which uses it own proprietary format ===Video Player MPlayer=== Many of the menu features (such as doubling) do not work with the current version of mplayer but using 4:3 mplayer -vf scale=800:600 file.avi 16:9 mplayer -vf scale=854:480 file.avi if you want gui use; mplayer -gui 1 <other params> file.avi <pre > stack 1000000 ; using AspireOS 1.xx ; copy FROM SYS:Extras/Multimedia/MPlayer/ TO RAM:MPlayer ALL CLONE > Nil: ; using Icaros Desktop 1.x ; copy FROM SYS:Tools/MPlayer/ TO RAM:MPlayer ALL CLONE > Nil: ; using Icaros Desktop 2.x ; copy FROM SYS:Utilities/MPlayer/ TO RAM:MPlayer ALL CLONE > Nil: cd RAM:MPlayer run MPlayer -gui > Nil: ;run MPlayer -gui -ao ahi_dev -playlist http://www.radio-paralax.de/listen.pls > Nil: </pre > $ mplayer rtsp://127.0.0.1:554/sample_300kbit.mp4 MPlayer supports multicast streaming, and rtp/rtsp protocols (it might require [http://www.live555.com/openRTSP/ live555 library] to work with some streams). But you might have to build it where it's disabled. Also, multicast won't work with some AmiTCP-likes. MIAMI supported it, though. AROS supports IPv4 (old but works) and this includes the needed address space for RTP. If you mean multicast via RTP - mplayer handles it. You can even force UDP over TCP -rtsp-stream-over-tcp If the rtsp Real Time Streaming Protocol server needs authentification: -user -passwd MPlayer - Menu - Open Playlist and load already downloaded .pls or .m3u file - auto starts around 4 percent cache MPlayer - Menu - Open Stream and copy one of the .pls lines below into space allowed, press OK and press play button on main gui interface Old 8bit 16bit remixes chip tune game music http://www.radio-paralax.de/listen.pls http://scenesat.com/ http://www.shoutcast.com/radio/Amiga http://www.theoldcomputer.com/retro_radio/RetroRadio_Main.htm http://www.kohina.com/ http://www.remix64.com/ http://retrogamer.net/forum/ http://retroasylum.podomatic.com/rss2.xml http://retrogamesquad.com/ http://www.retronauts.com/ http://monsterfeet.com/noquarter/ http://www.retrogamingradio.com/ http://www.radiofeeds.co.uk/mp3.asp [[#top|...to the top]] ====ZunePaint==== simplified typical workflow * importing and organizing and photo management * making global and regional local correction(s) - recalculation is necessary after each adjustment as it is not in real-time * exporting your images in the best format available with the preservation of metadata Whilst achieving 80% of a great photo with just a filter, the remaining 20% comes from a manual fine-tuning of specific image attributes. For photojournalism, documentary, and event coverage, minimal touching is recommended. Stick to Camera Raw for such shots, and limit changes to level adjustment, sharpness, noise reduction, and white balance correction. For fashion or portrait shoots, a large amount of adjustment is allowed and usually ends up far from the original. Skin smoothing, blemish removal, eye touch-ups, etc. are common. Might alter the background a bit to emphasize the subject. Product photography usually requires a lot of sharpening, spot removal, and focus stacking. For landscape shots, best results are achieved by doing the maximum amount of preparation before/while taking the shot. No amount of processing can match timing, proper lighting, correct gear, optimal settings, etc. Excessive post-processing might give you a dramatic shot but best avoided in the long term. * White Balance - Left Amiga or F12 and K and under "Misc color effects" tab with a pull down for White Balance - color temperature also known as AKA tint (movies) or tones (painting) - warm temp raise red reduce green blue - cool raise blue lower red green * Exposure - exposure compensation, highlight/shadow recovery * Noise Reduction - during RAW development or using external software * Lens Corrections - distortion, vignetting, chromatic aberrations * Detail - capture sharpening and local contrast enhancement * Contrast - black point, levels (sliders) and curves tools (F12 and K) * Framing - straighten () and crop (F12 and F) * Refinements - color adjustments and selective enhancements - Left Amiga or F12 and K for RGB and YUV histogram tabs - * Resizing - enlarge for a print or downsize for the web or email (F12 and D) * Output Sharpening - customized for your subject matter and print/screen size White Balance - F12 and K scan your image for a shade which was meant to be white (neutral with each RGB value being equal) like paper or plastic which is in the same light as the subject of the picture. Use the dropper tool to select this color, similar colours will shift and you will have selected the perfect white balance for your part of the image - for the whole picture make sure RAZ or CLR button at the bottom is pressed before applying to the image above. Exposure correction F12 and K - YUV Y luminosity - RGB extra red tint - move red curve slightly down and move blue green curves slightly up Workflows in practice * Undo - Right AROS key or F12 and Z * Redo - Right AROS key or F12 and R First flatten your image (if necessary) and then do a rotation until the picture looks level. * Crop the picture. Click the selection button and drag a box over the area of the picture you want to keep. Press the crop button and the rest of the photo will be gone. * Adjust your saturation, exposure, hue levels, etc., (right AROS Key and K for color correction) until you are happy with the photo. Make sure you zoom in all of the way to 100% and look the photo over, zoom back out and move around. Look for obvious problems with the picture. * After coloring and exposure do a sharpen (Right AROS key and E for Convolution and select drop down option needed), e.g. set the matrix to 5x5 (roughly equivalent Amount to 60%) and set the Radius to 1.0. Click OK. And save your picture Implemented or would like to see for simplification and ease of use basic filters (presets) like black and white, monochrome, edge detection (sobel), motion/gaussian blur, * negative, sepiatone, retro vintage, night vision, colour tint, color gradient, color temperature, glows, fire, lightning, lens flare, emboss, filmic, pixelate mezzotint, antialias, etc. adjust / cosmetic tools such as crop, * reshaping tools, straighten, smear, smooth, perspective, liquify, bloat, pucker, push pixels in any direction, dispersion, transform like warp, blending with soft light, page-curl, whirl, ripple, fisheye, neon, etc. * red eye fixing, blemish remover, skin smoothing, teeth whitener, make eyes look brighter, desaturate, effects like oil paint, cartoon, pencil sketch, charcoal, noise/matrix like sharpen/unsharpen, (right AROS key with A for Artistic effects) * blend two image, gradient blend, masking blend, explode, implode, custom collage, surreal painting, comic book style, needlepoint, stained glass, watercolor, mosaic, stencil/outline, crayon, chalk, etc. borders such as * dropshadow, rounded, blurred, color tint, picture frame, film strip polaroid, bevelled edge, etc. brushes e.g. * frost, smoke, etc. and manual control of fix lens issues including vignetting (darkening), color fringing and barrel distortion, and chromatic and geometric aberration - lens and body profiles perspective correction levels - directly modify the levels of the tone-values of an image, by using sliders for highlights, midtones and shadows curves - Color Adjustment and Brightness/Contrast color balance one single color transparent (alpha channel (color information/selections) for masking and/or blending ) for backgrounds, etc. Threshold indicates how much other colors will be considered mixture of the removed color and non-removed colors decompose layer into a set of layers with each holding a different type of pattern that is visible within the image any selection using any selecting tools like lasso tool, marquee tool etc. the selection will temporarily be save to alpha If you create your image without transparency then the Alpha channel is not present, but you can add later. File formats like .psd (Photoshop file has layers, masks etc. contains edited sensor data. The original sensor data is no longer available) .xcf .raw .hdr Image Picture Formats * low dynamic range (JPEG, PNG, TIFF 8-bit), 16-bit (PPM, TIFF), typically as a 16-bit TIFF in either ProPhoto or AdobeRGB colorspace - TIFF files are also fairly universal – although, if they contain proprietary data, such as Photoshop Adjustment Layers or Smart Filters, then they can only be opened by Photoshop making them proprietary. * linear high dynamic range (HDR) images (PFM, [http://www.openexr.com/ ILM .EXR], jpg, [http://aminet.net/util/dtype cr2] (canon tiff based), hdr, NEF, CRW, ARW, MRW, ORF, RAF (Fuji), PEF, DCR, SRF, ERF, DNG files are RAW converted to an Adobe proprietary format - a container that can embed the raw file as well as the information needed to open it) An old version of [http://archives.aros-exec.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/convert dcraw] There is no single RAW file format. Each camera manufacturer has one or more unique RAW formats. RAW files contain the brightness levels data captured by the camera sensor. This data cannot be modified. A second smaller file, separate XML file, or within a database with instructions for the RAW processor to change exposure, saturation etc. The extra data can be changed but the original sensor data is still there. RAW is technically least compatible. A raw file is high-bit (usually 12 or 14 bits of information) but a camera-generated TIFF file will be usually converted by the camera (compressed, downsampled) to 8 bits. The raw file has no embedded color balance or color space, but the TIFF has both. These three things (smaller bit depth, embedded color balance, and embedded color space) make it so that the TIFF will lose quality more quickly with image adjustments than the raw file. The camera-generated TIFF image is much more like a camera processed JPEG than a raw file. A strong advantage goes to the raw file. The power of RAW files, such as the ability to set any color temperature non-destructively and will contain more tonal values. The principle of preserving the maximum amount of information to as late as possible in the process. The final conversion - which will always effectively represent a "downsampling" - should prevent as much loss as possible. Once you save it as TIFF, you throw away some of that data irretrievably. When saving in the lossy JPEG format, you get tremendous file size savings, but you've irreversibly thrown away a lot of image data. As long as you have the RAW file, original or otherwise, you have access to all of the image data as captured. Keyboard equivalence with Photoshop(tm) would help File PHOTOSHOP SHORTCUT GIMP New Ctrl+n New Open Ctrl+o Open Close Ctrl+w Close Save Ctrl+s Save Save as Shift+Ctrl+s Save as Revert F12 Revert Print Ctrl+p Print Exit Ctrl+q Quit Edit PHOTOSHOP SHORTCUT GIMP Undo/Redo (1 level) Ctrl+z Undo (Redo is Shift+Ctrl+z) Cut Ctrl+x Cut Copy Ctrl+c Copy Paste Ctrl+v Paste Paste Into Shift+Ctrl+v Paste Into Fill with FG color Alt+Backspace Fill with FG color Fill with BG color Control+Backspace Fill with BG color Image/Colors PHOTOSHOP SHORTCUT GIMP Levels Ctrl+l Levels Auto Contrast Shift+Ctrl+Alt+l Stretch Contrast (same?) Curves Ctrl+m Curves Color Balance Ctrl+b Color Balance Hue/Saturation Ctrl+u Hue-Saturation Desaturate Shift+Ctrl+u Desaturate Invert Ctrl+i Invert Default Colors d Default Colors Switch Colors x Switch Colors Layer PHOTOSHOP SHORTCUT GIMP New Layer Shift+Ctrl+n New Layer Layer via Copy Ctrl+j Duplicate Layer Bring (layer) to Front Shift+Ctrl+] Layer to Top Send (layer) to Back Shift+Ctrl+[ Layer to Bottom Bring (layer) Forward Ctrl+] Raise Layer Send (layer) Backward Ctrl+[ Lower Layer Select Top Layer Shift+Alt+] Select Top Layer Select Bottom Layer Shift+Alt+[ Select Bottom Layer Select One Layer Forward Alt+] Select Previous Layer Select One Layer Backward Alt+[ Select Next Layer Merge Down Ctrl+e Merge Down Merge Visible Shift+Ctrl+e Merge Visible Preserve Transparency / Keep Transparency Cycle Modes Forwards Shift+= Next Layer Mode Cycle Modes Backwards Shift+- Previous Layer Mode Select PHOTOSHOP SHORTCUT GIMP Select All Ctrl+a Select All Deselect Ctrl+d Select None Inverse Shift+Ctrl+i Invert Feather Ctrl+Alt+d Feather View PHOTOSHOP SHORTCUT GIMP Zoom In Ctrl+= Zoom In Zoom Out Ctrl+- Zoom Out Fit on Screen Ctrl+0 Zoom to Fit Window Actual Pixels Ctrl+Alt+0 Zoom 1:1 Show/Hide Extras Ctrl+h Toggle Show Selection (close enough?) Show/Hide Guides Ctrl+' Toggle Show Guides Show/Hide Grid Ctrl+Alt+' Toggle Show Grid Show/Hide Rulers Ctrl+r Toggle Show Rulers Snap Ctrl+; Snap to Guides Scroll View Up Page Up Scroll Page Up Scroll View Down Page Down Scroll Page Down Scroll View Left Ctrl+Page Up Scroll Page Left Scroll View Right Ctrl+Page Down Scroll Page Right Window/Dialogs PHOTOSHOP SHORTCUT GIMP ? F5 Tools Dialog Color Tab F6 Colors Dialog Layers Tab F7 Layers Dialog Info Tab F8 Image Information Tools PHOTOSHOP SHORTCUT GIMP Rectangular Marquee Tool m Rect Select Tool Elliptical Marquee Tool Shift+m Ellipse Select Tool *This is a toggle between 'Elliptical Marquee Tool' and 'Rectangular Marquee Tool' in Photoshop Move Tool v Move Tool Lasso Tool l Free Select Tool Magic Wand Tool w Fuzzy Select Tool Crop Tool c Crop & Resize Tool Airbrush Tool j Airbrush Tool Paintbrush Tool b Paintbrush Tool Clone Stamp Tool s Clone Stamp Tool Eraser Tool e Eraser Tool Gradient Tool g Blend Tool Paint Bucket Tool Shift+g Bucket Fill Tool *This is a toggle between 'Paint Bucket Tool' and 'Gradient Tool' in Photoshop Blur Tool r Convolve Tool Dodge Tool o DodgeBurn Tool Type Tool t Text Tool Pen Tool p Bezier Select Tool Eye Dropper Tool i Color Picker Tool Zoom Tool z Magnify Tool Previous Brush , Previous Brush Next Brush . Next Brush First Brush Shift+< First Brush Last Brush Shift+> Last Brush Decrease Brush Size [ Decrease Brush Size Increase Brush Size ] Increase Brush Size Decrease Brush Hardness { Decrease Brush Hardness Increase Brush Hardness } Increase Brush Hardness Help PHOTOSHOP SHORTCUT GIMP Help F1 Help Context Help Shift+F1 Context Help Misc. PHOTOSHOP SHORTCUT GIMP Last Filter Ctrl+f Repeat Last Filter ? Shift+Ctrl+f Reshow Last Filter Preferences Ctrl+k Preferences Liquify Shift+Ctrl+x IWarp (close enough?) Toggle Quick Mask q Toggle Quick Mask Spotlights - triangle of white opaque shape Cutting out and/or replacing unwanted background or features - select large areas with the selection option like the Magic Wand tool (aka Color Range) or the Lasso (quick and fast) with feather 2 to soften edge or the pen tool which adds points/lines/Bézier curves (better control but slower), hold down the shift button as you click to add extra points/areas of the subject matter to remove. Increase the tolerance to cover more areas. To subtract from your selection hold down alt as you're clicking. * Layer masks are a better way of working than Erase they clip (black hides/hidden white visible/reveal). Clone Stamp can be simulated by and brushes for other areas. * Leave the fine details like hair, fur, etc. to later with lasso and the shift key to draw a line all the way around your subject. Gradient Mapping - Inverse - Mask. i.e. Refine your selected image with edge detection and using the radius and edge options / adjuster (increase/decrease contrast) so that you will capture more fine detail from the background allowing easier removal. Remove fringe/halo saving image as png rather than jpg/jpeg to keep transparency background intact. Implemented [http://colorizer.org/ colour model representations] [http://paulbourke.net/texture_colour/colourspace/ Mathematical approach] - Photo stills are spatially 2d (h and w), but are colorimetrically 3d (r g and b, or H L S, or Y U V etc.) as well. * RGB - split cubed mapped color model for photos and computer graphics hardware using the light spectrum (adding and subtracting) * YUV - Y-Lightness U-blue/yellow V-red/cyan (similar to YPbPr and YCbCr) used in the PAL, NTSC, and SECAM composite digital TV color [http://crewofone.com/2012/chroma-subsampling-and-transcoding/#comment-7299 video] Histograms White balanced (neutral) if the spike happens in the same place in each channel of the RGB graphs. If not, you're not balanced. If you have sky you'll see the blue channel further off to the right. RGB is best one to change colours. These elements RGB is a 3-channel format containing data for Red, Green, and Blue in your photo scale between 0 and 255. The area in a picture that appears to be brighter/whiter contains more red color as compared to the area which is relatively darker. Similarly in the green channel the area that appears to be darker contains less amount of green color as compared to the area that appears to be brighter. Similarly in the blue channel the area appears to be darker contains less amount of blue color as compared to the area that appears to be brighter. Brightness luminance histogram also matches the green histogram more than any other color - human eye interprets green better e.g. RGB rough ratio 15/55/30% RGBA (RGB+A, A means alpha channel) . The alpha channel is used for "alpha compositing", which can mostly be associated as "opacity". AROS deals in RGB with two digits for every color (red, green, blue), in ARGB you have two additional hex digits for the alpha channel. The shadows are represented by the left third of the graph. The highlights are represented by the right third. And the midtones are, of course, in the middle. The higher the black peaks in the graph, the more pixels are concentrated in that tonal range (total black area). By moving the black endpoint, which identifies the shadows (darkness) and a white light endpoint (brightness) up and down either sides of the graph, colors are adjusted based on these points. By dragging the central one, can increased the midtones and control the contrast, raise shadows levels, clip or softly eliminate unsafe levels, alter gamma, etc... in a way that is much more precise and creative . RGB Curves * Move left endpoint (black point) up or right endpoint (white point) up brightens * Move left endpoint down or right endpoint down darkens Color Curves * Dragging up on the Red Curve increases the intensity of the reds in the image but * Dragging down on the Red Curve decreases the intensity of the reds and thus increases the apparent intensity of its complimentary color, cyan. Green’s complimentary color is magenta, and blue’s is yellow. <pre> Red <-> Cyan Green <->Magenta Blue <->Yellow </pre> YUV Best option to analyse and pull out statistical elements of any picture (i.e. separate luminance data from color data). The line in Y luma tone box represents the brightness of the image with the point in the bottom left been black, and the point in the top right as white. A low-contrast image has a concentrated clump of values nearer to the center of the graph. By comparison, a high-contrast image has a wider distribution of values across the entire width of the Histogram. A histogram that is skewed to the right would indicate a picture that is a bit overexposed because most of the color data is on the lighter side (increase exposure with higher value F), while a histogram with the curve on the left shows a picture that is underexposed. This is good information to have when using post-processing software because it shows you not only where the color data exists for a given picture, but also where any data has been clipped (extremes on edges of either side): that is, it does not exist and, therefore, cannot be edited. By dragging the endpoints of the line and as well as the central one, can increased the dark/shadows, midtones and light/bright parts and control the contrast, raise shadows levels, clip or softly eliminate unsafe levels, alter gamma, etc... in a way that is much more precise and creative . The U and V chroma parts show color difference components of the image. It’s useful for checking whether or not the overall chroma is too high, and also whether it’s being limited too much Can be used to create a negative image but also With U (Cb), the higher value you are, the more you're on the blue primary color. If you go to the low values then you're on blue complementary color, i.e. yellow. With V (Cr), this is the same principle but with Red and Cyan. e.g. If you push U full blue and V full red, you get magenta. If you push U full yellow and V full Cyan then you get green. YUV simultaneously adds to one side of the color equation while subtracting from the other. using YUV to do color correction can be very problematic because each curve alters the result of each other: the mutual influence between U and V often makes things tricky. You may also be careful in what you do to avoid the raise of noise (which happens very easily). Best results are obtained with little adjustments sunset that looks uninspiring and needs some color pop especially for the rays over the hill, a subtle contrast raise while setting luma values back to the legal range without hard clipping. ====Lunapaint==== Pixel based drawing app with onion-skin animation function Blocking, Shading, Coloring, adding detail <pre> b BRUSH e ERASER alt eyedropper v layer tool z ZOOM / MAGNIFY < > n spc panning m marque q lasso w same color selection / region </pre> <pre> , LM RM v V f filter F . size p , pick color [] last / next color </pre> There is not much missing in Lunapaint to be as good as FlipBook and then you have to take into account that Flipbook is considered to be amongst the best and easiest to use animation software out there. Ok to be honest Flipbook has some nice features that require more heavy work but those aren't so much needed right away, things like camera effects, sound, smart fill, export to different movie file formats etc. Tried Flipbook with my tablet and compared it to Luna. The feeling is the same when sketching. LunaPaint is very responsive/fluent to draw with. Just as Flipbook is, and that responsiveness is something its users have mentioned as one of the positive sides of said software. author was learning MUI. Some parts just have to be rewritten with proper MUI classes before new features can be added. * add [Frame Add] / [Frame Del] * whole animation feature is impossible to use. If you draw 2 color maybe but if you start coloring your cells then you get in trouble * pickup the entire image as a brush, not just a selection ? And consequently remove the brush from memory when one doesn't need it anymore. can pick up a brush and put it onto a new image but cropping isn't possible, nor to load/save brushes. * Undo is something I longed for ages in Lunapaint. * to import into the current layer, other types of images (e.g. JPEG) besides RAW64. * implement graphic tablet features support **GENERAL DRAWING** Miss it very much: UNDO ERASER COLORPICKER - has to show on palette too which color got picked. BACKGROUND COLOR -Possibility to select from "New project screen" Miss it somewhat: ICON for UNDO ICON for ERASER ICON for CLEAR SCREEN ( What can I say? I start over from scratch very often ) BRUSH - possibility to cut out as brush not just copy off image to brush **ANIMATING** Miss it very much: NUMBER OF CELLS - Possibity to change total no. of cells during project ANIM BRUSH - Possibility to pick up a selected part of cells into an animbrush Miss it somewhat: ADD/REMOVE FRAMES: Add/remove single frame In general LunaPaint is really well done and it feels like a new DeluxePaint version. It works with my tablet. Sure there's much missing of course but things can always be added over time. So there is great potential in LunaPaint that's for sure. Animations could be made in it and maybe put together in QuickVideo, saving in .gif or .mng etc some day. LAYERS -Layers names don't get saved globally in animation frames -Layers order don't change globally in an animation (perhaps as default?). EXPORTING IMAGES -Exporting frames to JPG/PNG gives problems with colors. (wrong colors. See my animatiopn --> My robot was blue now it's "gold" ) I think this only happens if you have layers. -Trying to flatten the layers before export doesn't work if you have animation frames only the one you have visible will flatten properly all other frames are destroyed. (Only one of the layers are visible on them) -Exporting images filenames should be for example e.g. file0001, file0002...file0010 instead as of now file1, file2...file10 LOAD/SAVE (Preferences) -Make a setting for the default "Work" folder. * Destroyed colors if exported image/frame has layers * mystic color cycling of the selected color while stepping frames back/forth (annoying) <pre> Deluxe Paint II enhanced key shortcuts NOTE: @ denotes the ALT key [Technique] F1 - Paint F2 - Single Colour F3 - Replace F4 - Smear F5 - Shade F6 - Cycle F7 - Smooth M - Colour Cycle [Brush] B - Restore O - Outline h - Halve brush size H - Double brush size x - Flip brush on X axis X - Double brush size on X axis only y - Flip on Y Y - Double on Y z - Rotate brush 90 degrees Z - Stretch [Stencil] ` - Stencil On [Miscellaneous] F9 - Info Bar F10 - Selection Bar @o - Co-Ordinates @a - Anti-alias @r - Colourise @t - Translucent TAB - Colour Cycle [Picture] L - Load S - Save j - Page to Spare(Flip) J - Page to Spare(Copy) V - View Page Q - Quit [General Keys] m - Magnify < - Zoom In > - Zoom Out [ - Palette Colour Up ] - Palette Colour Down ( - Palette Colour Left ) - Palette Colour Right , - Eye Dropper . - Pixel / Brush Toggle / - Symmetry | - Co-Ordinates INS - Perspective Control +/- - Brush Size (Fine Control) w - Unfilled Polygon W - Filled Polygon e - Unfilled Ellipse E - Filled Ellipse r - Unfilled Rectangle R - Filled Rectangle t - Type/text tool a - Select Font u/U - Undo d - Brush D - Filled Non-Uniform Polygon f/F - Fill Options g/G - Grid h/H - Brush Size (Coarse Control) K - Clear c - Unfilled Circle C - Filled Circle v - Line b - Scissor Select and Toggle B - Brush {,} - Toggle between two background colours </pre> ====Lodepaint==== Pixel based painting artwork app ====Grafx2==== Pixel based painting artwork app aesprite like [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59Y6OTzNrhk aesprite workflow keys and tablet use], [], ====Vector Graphics ZuneFIG==== Vector Image Editing of files .svg .ps .eps *Objects - raise lower rotate flip aligning snapping *Path - unify subtract intersect exclude divide *Colour - fill stroke *Stroke - size *Brushes - *Layers - *Effects - gaussian bevels glows shadows *Text - *Transform - AmiFIG ([http://epb.lbl.gov/xfig/frm_introduction.html xfig manual]) [[File:MyScreen.png|thumb|left|alt=Showing all Windows open in AmiFIG.|All windows available to AmiFIG.]] for drawing simple to intermediate vector graphic images for scientific and technical uses and for illustration purposes for those with talent ;Menu options * Load - fig format but import(s) SVG * Save - fig format but export(s) eps, ps, pdf, svg and png * PAN = Ctrl + Arrow keys * Deselect all points There is no selected object until you apply the tool, and the selected object is not highlighted. ;Metrics - to set up page and styles - first window to open on new drawings ;Tools - Drawing Primitives - set Attributes window first before clicking any Tools button(s) * Shapes - circles, ellipses, arcs, splines, boxes, polygon * Lines - polylines * Text "T" button * Photos - bitmaps * Compound - Glue, Break, Scale * POINTs - Move, Add, Remove * Objects - Move, Copy, Delete, Mirror, Rotate, Paste use right mouse button to stop extra lines, shapes being formed and the left mouse to select/deselect tools button(s) * Rotate - moves in 90 degree turns centered on clicked POINT of a polygon or square ;Attributes which provide change(s) to the above primitives * Color * Line Width * Line Style * arrowheads ;Modes Choose from freehand, charts, figures, magnet, etc. ;Library - allows .fig clip-art to be stored * compound tools to add .fig(s) together ;FIG 3.2 [http://epb.lbl.gov/xfig/fig-format.html Format] as produced by xfig version 3.2.5 <pre> Landscape Center Inches Letter 100.00 Single -2 1200 2 4 0 0 50 -1 0 12 0.0000 4 135 1050 1050 2475 This is a test.01 </pre> # change the text alignment within the textbox. I can choose left, center, or right aligned by either changing the integer in the second column from 0 (left) to 1 or 2 (center, or right). # The third integer in the row specifies fontcolor. For instance, 0 is black, but blue is 1 and Green3 is 13. # The sixth integer in the bottom row specifies fontface. 0 is Times-Roman, but 16 is Helvetica (a MATLAB default). # The seventh number is fontsize. 12 represents a 12pt fontsize. Changing the fontsize of an item really is as easy as changing that number to 20. # The next number is the counter-clockwise angle of the text. Notice that I have changed the angle to .7854 (pi/4 rounded to four digits=45 degrees). # twelfth number is the position according to the standard “x-axis” in Xfig units from the left. Note that 1200 Xfig units is equivalent to once inch. # thirteenth number is the “y-position” from the top using the same unit convention as before. * The nested text string is what you entered into the textbox. * The “01″ present at the end of that line in the .fig file is the closing tag. For instance, a change to \100 appends a @ symbol at the end of the period of that sentence. ; Just to note there are no layers, no 3d functions, no shading, no transparency, no animation [[#top|...to the top]] ===Audio=== # AHI uses linear panning/balance, which means that in the center, you will get -6dB. If an app uses panning, this is what you will get. Note that apps like Audio Evolution need panning, so they will have this problem. # When using AHI Hifi modes, mixing is done in 32-bit and sent as 32-bit data to the driver. The Envy24HT driver uses that to output at 24-bit (always). # For the Envy24/Envy24HT, I've made 16-bit and 24-bit inputs (called Line-in 16-bit, Line-in 24-bit etc.). There is unfortunately no app that can handle 24-bit recording. ====Music Mods==== Digital module (mods) trackers are music creation software using samples and sometimes soundfonts, audio plugins (VST, AU or RTAS), MIDI. Generally, MODs are similar to MIDI in that they contain note on/off and other sequence messages that control the mod player. Unlike (most) midi files, however, they also contain sound samples that the sequence information actually plays. MOD files can have many channels (classic amiga mods have 4, corresponding to the inbuilt sound channels), but unlike MIDI, each channel can typically play only one note at once. However, since that note might be a sample of a chord, a drumloop or other complex sound, this is not as limiting as it sounds. Like MIDI, notes will play indefinitely if they're not instructed to end. Most trackers record this information automatically if you play your music in live. If you're using manual note entry, you can enter a note-off command with a keyboard shortcut - usually Caps Lock. In fact when considering file size MOD is not always the best option. Even a dummy song wastes few kilobytes for nothing when a simple SID tune could be few hundreds bytes and not bigger than 64kB. AHX is another small format, AHX tunes are never larger than 64kB excluding comments. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXXsZfwgil Protrekkr] (previously aka [w:Juan_Antonio_Arguelles_Rius|NoiseTrekkr]) If Protrekkr does not start, please check if the Unit 0 has been setup in the AHI prefs and still not, go to the directory utilities/protrekkr and double click on the Protrekkr icon *Sample *Note - Effect *Track (column) - Pattern - Order It all starts with the Sample which is used to create Note(s) in a Track (column of a tracker) The Note can be changed with an Effect. A Track of Note(s) can be collected into a Pattern (section of a song) and these can be given Order to create the whole song. Patience (notes have to be entered one at a time) or playing the bassline on a midi controller (faster - see midi section above). Best approach is to wait until a melody popped into your head. *Up-tempo means the track should be reasonably fast, but not super-fast. *Groovy and funky imply the track should have some sort of "swing" feel, with plenty of syncopation or off beat emphasis and a recognizable, melodic bass line. *Sweet and happy mean upbeat melodies, a major key and avoiding harsh sounds. *Moody - minor key First, create a quick bass sound, which is basically a sine wave, but can be hand drawn for a little more variance. It could also work for the melody part, too. This is usually a bass guitar or some kind of synthesizer bass. The bass line is often forgotten by inexperienced composers, but it plays an important role in a musical piece. Together with the rhythm section the bass line forms the groove of a song. It's the glue between the rhythm section and the melodic layer of a song. The drums are just pink noise samples, played at different frequencies to get a slightly different sound for the kick, snare, and hihats. Instruments that fall into the rhythm category are bass drums, snares, hi-hats, toms, cymbals, congas, tambourines, shakers, etc. Any percussive instrument can be used to form part of the rhythm section. The lead is the instrument that plays the main melody, on top of the chords. There are many instruments that can play a lead section, like a guitar, a piano, a saxophone or a flute. The list is almost endless. There is a lot of overlap with instruments that play chords. Often in one piece an instrument serves both roles. The lead melody is often played at a higher pitch than the chords. Listened back to what was produced so far, and a counter-melody can be imagined, which can be added with a triangle wave. To give the ends of phrases some life, you can add a solo part with a crunchy synth. By hitting random notes in the key of G, then edited a few of them. For the climax of the song, filled out the texture with a gentle high-pitch pad… …and a grungy bass synth. The arrow at A points at the pattern order list. As you see, the patterns don't have to be in numerical order. This song starts with pattern "00", then pattern "02", then "03", then "01", etcetera. Patterns may be repeated throughout a song. The B arrow points at the song title. Below it are the global BPM and speed parameters. These determine the tempo of the song, unless the tempo is altered through effect commands during the song. The C arrow points at the list of instruments. An instrument may consist of multiple samples. Which sample will be played depends on the note. This can be set in the Instrument Editing screen. Most instruments will consist of just one sample, though. The sample list for the selected instrument can be found under arrow D. Here's a part of the main editing screen. This is where you put in actual notes. Up to 32 channels can be used, meaning 32 sounds can play simultaneously. The first six channels of pattern "03" at order "02" are shown here. The arrow at A points at the row number. The B arrow points at the note to play, in this case a C4. The column pointed at by the C arrow tells us which instrument is associated with that note, in this case instrument #1 "Kick". The column at D is used (mainly) for volume commands. In this case it is left empty which means the instrument should play at its default volume. You can see the volume column being used in channel #6. The E column tells us which effect to use and any parameters for that effect. In this case it holds the "F" effect, which is a tempo command. The "04" means it should play at tempo 4 (a smaller number means faster). Base pattern When I create a new track I start with what I call the base pattern. It is worthwhile to spend some time polishing it as a lot of the ideas in the base pattern will be copied and used in other patterns. At least, that's how I work. Every musician will have his own way of working. In "Wild Bunnies" the base pattern is pattern "03" at order "02". In the section about selecting samples I talked about the four different categories of instruments: drums, bass, chords and leads. That's also how I usually go about making the base pattern. I start by making a drum pattern, then add a bass line, place some chords and top it off with a lead. This forms the base pattern from which the rest of the song will grow. Drums Here's a screenshot of the first four rows of the base pattern. I usually reserve the first four channels or so for the drum instruments. Right away there are a couple of tricks shown here. In the first channel the kick, or bass drum, plays some notes. Note the alternating F04 and F02 commands. The "F" command alters the tempo of the song and by quickly alternating the tempo; the song will get some kind of "swing" feel. In the second channel the closed hi-hat plays a fairly simple pattern. Further down in the channel, not shown here, some open hi-hat notes are added for a bit of variation. In the third and fourth channel the snare sample plays. The "8" command is for panning. One note is panned hard to the left and the other hard to the right. One sample is played a semitone lower than the other. This results in a cool flanging effect. It makes the snare stand out a little more in the mix. Bass line There are two different instruments used for the bass line. Instrument #6 is a pretty standard synthesized bass sound. Instrument #A sounds a bit like a slap bass when used with a quick fade out. By using two different instruments the bass line sounds a bit more ”human”. The volume command is used to cut off the notes. However, it is never set to zero. Setting the volume to a very small value will result in a reverb-like effect. This makes the song sound more "live". The bass line hints at the chords that will be played and the key the song will be in. In this case the key of the song is D-major, a positive and happy key. Chords The D major chords that are being played here are chords stabs; short sounds with a quick decay (fade out). Two different instruments (#8 and #9) are used to form the chords. These instruments are quite similar, but have a slightly different sound, panning and volume decay. Again, the reason for this is to make the sound more human. The volume command is used on some chords to simulate a delay, to achieve more of a live feel. The chords are placed off-beat making for a funky rhythm. Lead Finally the lead melody is added. The other instruments are invaluable in holding the track together, but the lead melody is usually what catches people's attention. A lot of notes and commands are used here, but it looks more complex than it is. A stepwise ascending melody plays in channel 13. Channel 14 and 15 copy this melody, but play it a few rows later at a lower volume. This creates an echo effect. A bit of panning is used on the notes to create some stereo depth. Like with the bass line, instead of cutting off notes the volume is set to low values for a reverb effect. The "461" effect adds a little vibrato to the note, which sounds nice on sustained notes. Those paying close attention may notice the instrument used here for the lead melody is the same as the one used for the bass line (#6 "Square"), except played two or three octaves higher. This instrument is a looped square wave sample. Each type of wave has its own quirks, but the square wave (shown below) is a really versatile wave form. Song structure Good, catchy songs are often carefully structured into sections, some of which are repeated throughout the song with small variations. A typical pop-song structure is: Intro - Verse - Chorus - Verse - Chorus - Bridge - Chorus. Other single sectional song structures are <pre> Strophic or AAA Song Form - oldest story telling with refrain (often title of the song) repeated in every verse section melody AABA Song Form - early popular, jazz and gospel fading during the 1960s AB or Verse/Chorus Song Form - songwriting format of choice for modern popular music since the 1960s Verse/Chorus/Bridge Song Form ABAB Song Form ABAC Song Form ABCD Song Form AAB 12-Bar Song Form - three four-bar lines or sub-sections 8-Bar Song Form 16-Bar Song Form Hybrid / Compound Song Forms </pre> The most common building blocks are: #INTRODUCTION(INTRO) #VERSE #REFRAIN #PRE-CHORUS / RISE / CLIMB #CHORUS #BRIDGE #MIDDLE EIGHT #SOLO / INSTRUMENTAL BREAK #COLLISION #CODA / OUTRO #AD LIB (OFTEN IN CODA / OUTRO) The chorus usually has more energy than the verse and often has a memorable melody line. As the chorus is repeated the most often during the song, it will be the part that people will remember. The bridge often marks a change of direction in the song. It is not uncommon to change keys in the bridge, or at least to use a different chord sequence. The bridge is used to build up tension towards the big finale, the last repetition of chorus. Playing RCTRL: Play song from row 0. LSHIFT + RCTRL: Play song from current row. RALT: Play pattern from row 0. LSHIFT + RALT: Play pattern from current row. Left mouse on '>': Play song from row 0. Right mouse on '>': Play song from current row. Left mouse on '|>': Play pattern from row 0. Right mouse on '|>': Play pattern from current row. Left mouse on 'Edit/Record': Edit mode on/off. Right mouse on 'Edit/Record': Record mode on/off. Editing LSHIFT + ESCAPE: Switch large patterns view on/off TAB: Go to next track LSHIFT + TAB: Go to prev. track LCTRL + TAB: Go to next note in track LCTRL + LSHIFT + TAB: Go to prev. note in track SPACE: Toggle Edit mode On & Off (Also stop if the song is being played) SHIFT SPACE: Toggle Record mode On & Off (Wait for a key note to be pressed or a midi in message to be received) DOWN ARROW: 1 Line down UP ARROW: 1 Line up LEFT ARROW: 1 Row left RIGHT ARROW: 1 Row right PREV. PAGE: 16 Arrows Up NEXT PAGE: 16 Arrows Down HOME / END: Top left / Bottom right of pattern LCTRL + HOME / END: First / last track F5, F6, F7, F8, F9: Jump to 0, 1/4, 2/4, 3/4, 4/4 lines of the patterns + - (Numeric keypad): Next / Previous pattern LCTRL + LEFT / RIGHT: Next / Previous pattern LCTRL + LALT + LEFT / RIGHT: Next / Previous position LALT + LEFT / RIGHT: Next / Previous instrument LSHIFT + M: Toggle mute state of the current channel LCTRL + LSHIFT + M: Solo the current track / Unmute all LSHIFT + F1 to F11: Select a tab/panel LCTRL + 1 to 4: Select a copy buffer Tracking 1st and 2nd keys rows: Upper octave row 3rd and 4th keys rows: Lower octave row RSHIFT: Insert a note off / and * (Numeric keypad) or F1 F2: -1 or +1 octave INSERT / BACKSPACE: Insert or Delete a line in current track or current selected block. LSHIFT + INSERT / BACKSPACE: Insert or Delete a line in current pattern DELETE (NOT BACKSPACE): Empty a column or a selected block. Blocks (Blocks can also be selected with the mouse by holding the right button and scrolling the pattern with the mouse wheel). LCTRL + A: Select entire current track LCTRL + LSHIFT + A: Select entire current pattern LALT + A: Select entire column note in a track LALT + LSHIFT + A: Select all notes of a track LCTRL + X: Cut the selected block and copy it into the block-buffer LCTRL + C: Copy the selected block into the block-buffer LCTRL + V: Paste the data from the block buffer into the pattern LCTRL + I: Interpolate selected data from the first to the last row of a selection LSHIFT + ARROWS PREV. PAGE NEXT PAGE: Select a block LCTRL + R: Randomize the select columns of a selection, works similar to CTRL + I (interpolating them) LCTRL + U: Transpose the note of a selection to 1 seminote higher LCTRL + D: Transpose the note of a selection to 1 seminote lower LCTRL + LSHIFT + U: Transpose the note of a selection to 1 seminote higher (only for the current instrument) LCTRL + LSHIFT + D: Transpose the note of a selection to 1 seminote lower (only for the current instrument) LCTRL + H: Transpose the note of a selection to 1 octave higher LCTRL + L: Transpose the note of a selection to 1 octave lower LCTRL + LSHIFT + H: Transpose the note of a selection to 1 octave higher (only for the current instrument) LCTRL + LSHIFT + L: Transpose the note of a selection to 1 octave lower (only for the current instrument) LCTRL + W: Save the current selection into a file Misc LALT + ENTER: Switch between full screen / windowed mode LALT + F4: Exit program (Windows only) LCTRL + S: Save current module LSHIFT + S: Switch top right panel to synths list LSHIFT + I: Switch top right panel to instruments list <pre> C-x xh xx xx hhhh Volume B-x xh xx xx hhhh Jump to A#x xh xx xx hhhh hhhh Slide F-x xh xx xx hhhh Tempo D-x xh xx xx hhhh Pattern Break G#x xh xx xx hhhh </pre> h Hex 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 0A 0B 0C 0D 0E 0F 10 11 12 13 d Dec 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 The Set Volume command: C. Input a note, then move the cursor to the effects command column and type a C. Play the pattern, and you shouldn't be able to hear the note you placed the C by. This is because the effect parameters are 00. Change the two zeros to a 40(Hex)/64(Dec), depending on what your tracker uses. Play back the pattern again, and the note should come in at full volume. The Position Jump command next. This is just a B followed by the position in the playing list that you want to jump to. One thing to remember is that the playing list always starts at 0, not 1. This command is usually in Hex. Onto the volume slide command: A. This is slightly more complex (much more if you're using a newer tracker, if you want to achieve the results here, then set slides to Amiga, not linear), due to the fact it depends on the secondary tempo. For now set a secondary tempo of 06 (you can play around later), load a long or looped sample and input a note or two. A few rows after a note type in the effect command A. For the parameters use 0F. Play back the pattern, and you should notice that when the effect kicks in, the sample drops to a very low volume very quickly. Change the effect parameters to F0, and use a low volume command on the note. Play back the pattern, and when the slide kicks in the volume of the note should increase very quickly. This because each part of the effect parameters for command A does a different thing. The first number slides the volume up, and the second slides it down. It's not recommended that you use both a volume up and volume down at the same time, due to the fact the tracker only looks for the first number that isn't set to 0. If you specify parameters of 8F, the tracker will see the 8, ignore the F, and slide the volume up. Using a slide up and down at same time just makes you look stupid. Don't do it... The Set Tempo command: F, is pretty easy to understand. You simply specify the BPM (in Hex) that you want to change to. One important thing to note is that values of lower than 20 (Hex) sets the secondary tempo rather than the primary. Another useful command is the Pattern Break: D. This will stop the playing of the current pattern and skip to the next one in the playing list. By using parameters of more than 00 you can also specify which line to begin playing from. Command 3 is Portamento to Note. This slides the currently playing note to another note, at a specified speed. The slide then stops when it reaches the desired note. <pre> C-2 1 000 - Starts the note playing --- 000 C-3 330 - Starts the slide to C-3 at a speed of 30. --- 300 - Continues the slide --- 300 - Continues the slide </pre> Once the parameters have been set, the command can be input again without any parameters, and it'll still perform the same function unless you change the parameters. This memory function allows certain commands to function correctly, such as command 5, which is the Portamento to Note and Volume Slide command. Once command 3 has been set up command 5 will simply take the parameters from that and perform a Portamento to Note. Any parameters set up for command 5 itself simply perform a Volume Slide identical to command A at the same time as the Portamento to Note. This memory function will only operate in the same channel where the original parameters were set up. There are various other commands which perform two functions at once. They will be described as we come across them. C-3 04 .. .. 09 00 ---> C-3 04 .. .. 09 00 C-3 04 .. .. 09 00 ---> C-3 04 .. .. 09 02 C-3 04 .. .. 09 00 ---> C-3 04 .. .. 09 05 C-3 04 .. .. 09 00 ---> C-3 04 .. .. 09 08 C-3 04 .. .. 09 00 ---> C-3 04 .. .. 09 0A C-3 04 .. .. 09 00 ---> C-3 04 .. .. 09 0D C-3 04 .. .. 09 10 ---> C-3 04 .. .. 09 10 (You can also switch on the Slider Rec to On, and perform parameter-live-recording, such as cutoff transitions, resonance or panning tweaking, etc..) Note: this command only works for volume/panning and fx datas columns. The next command we'll look at is the Portamento up/down: 1 and 2. Command 1 slides the pitch up at a specified speed, and 2 slides it down. This command works in a similar way to the volume slide, in that it is dependent on the secondary tempo. Both these commands have a memory dependent on each other, if you set the slide to a speed of 3 with the 1 command, a 2 command with no parameters will use the speed of 3 from the 1 command, and vice versa. Command 4 is Vibrato. Vibrato is basically rapid changes in pitch, just try it, and you'll see what I mean. Parameters are in the format of xy, where x is the speed of the slide, and y is the depth of the slide. One important point to remember is to keep your vibratos subtle and natural so a depth of 3 or less and a reasonably fast speed, around 8, is usually used. Setting the depth too high can make the part sound out of tune from the rest. Following on from command 4 is command 6. This is the Vibrato and Volume Slide command, and it has a memory like command 5, which you already know how to use. Command 7 is Tremolo. This is similar to vibrato. Rather than changing the pitch it slides the volume. The effect parameters are in exactly the same format. vibrato effect (0x1dxy) x = speed y = depth (can't be used if arpeggio (0x1b) is turned on) <pre> C-7 00 .. .. 1B37 <- Turn Arpeggio effect on --- .. .. .. 0000 --- .. .. .. 0000 --- .. .. .. 0000 --- .. .. .. 1B38 <- Change datas --- .. .. .. 0000 --- .. .. .. 0000 --- .. .. .. 0000 --- .. .. .. 1B00 <- Turn it off </pre> Command 9 is Sample Offset. This starts the playback of the sample from a different place than the start. The effect parameters specify the sample offset, but only very roughly. Say you have a sample which is 8765(Hex) bytes long, and you wanted it to play from position 4321(Hex). The effect parameter could only be as accurate as the 43 part, and it would ignore the 21. Command B is the Playing List/Order Jump command. The parameters specify the position in the Playing List/Order to jump to. When used in conjunction with command D you can specify the position and the line to play from. Command E is pretty complex, as it is used for a lot of different things, depending on what the first parameter is. Let's take a trip through each effect in order. Command E0 controls the hardware filter on an Amiga, which, as a low pass filter, cuts off the highest frequencies being played back. There are very few players and trackers on other system that simulate this function, not that you should need to use it. The second parameter, if set to 1, turns on the filter. If set to 0, the filter gets turned off. Commands E1/E2 are Fine Portamento Up/Down. Exactly the same functions as commands 1/2, except that they only slide the pitch by a very small amount. These commands have a memory the same as 1/2 as well. Command E3 sets the Glissando control. If parameters are set to 1 then when using command 3, any sliding will only use the notes in between the original note and the note being slid to. This produces a somewhat jumpier slide than usual. The best way to understand is to try it out for yourself. Produce a slow slide with command 3, listen to it, and then try using E31. Command E4 is the Set Vibrato Waveform control. This command controls how the vibrato command slides the pitch. Parameters are 0 - Sine, 1 - Ramp Down (Saw), 2 - Square. By adding 4 to the parameters, the waveform will not be restarted when a new note is played e.g. 5 - Sine without restart. Command E5 sets the Fine Tune of the instrument being played, but only for the particular note being played. It will override the default Fine Tune for the instrument. The parameters range from 0 to F, with 0 being -8 and F being +8 Fine Tune. A parameter of 8 gives no Fine Tune. If you're using a newer tracker that supports more than -8 to +8 e.g. -128 to +128, these parameters will give a rough Fine Tune, accurate to the nearest 16. Command E6 is the Jump Loop command. You mark the beginning of the part of a pattern that you want to loop with E60, and then specify with E6x the end of the loop, where x is the number of times you want it to loop. Command E7 is the Set Tremolo Waveform control. This has exactly the same parameters as command E4, except that it works for Tremolo rather than Vibrato. Command E9 is for Retriggering the note quickly. The parameter specifies the interval between the retrigs. Use a value of less than the current secondary tempo, or else the note will not get retrigged. Command EA/B are for Fine Volume Slide Up/Down. Much the same as the normal Volume Slides, except that these are easier to control since they don't depend on the secondary tempo. The parameters specify the amount to slide by e.g. if you have a sample playing at a volume of 08 (Hex) then the effect EA1 will slide this volume to 09 (Hex). A subsequent effect of EB4 would slide this volume down to 05 (Hex). Command EC is the Note Cut. This sets the volume of the currently playing note to 0 at a specified tick. The parameters should be lower than the secondary tempo or else the effect won't work. Command ED is the Note Delay. This should be used at the same time as a note is to be played, and the parameters will specify the number of ticks to delay playing the note. Again, keep the parameters lower than the secondary tempo, or the note won't get played! Command EE is the Pattern Delay. This delays the pattern for the amount of time it would take to play a certain number of rows. The parameters specify how many rows to delay for. Command EF is the Funk Repeat command. Set the sample loop to 0-1000. When EFx is used, the loop will be moved to 1000- 2000, then to 2000-3000 etc. After 9000-10000 the loop is set back to 0- 1000. The speed of the loop "movement" is defined by x. E is two times as slow as F, D is three times as slow as F etc. EF0 will turn the Funk Repeat off and reset the loop (to 0-1000). effects 0x41 and 0x42 to control the volumes of the 2 303 units There is a dedicated panel for synth parameter editing with coherent sections (osc, filter modulation, routing, so on) the interface is much nicer, much better to navigate with customizable colors, the reverb is now customizable (10 delay lines), It accepts newer types of Waves (higher bit rates, at least 24). Has a replay routine. It's pretty much your basic VA synth. The problem isn't with the sampler being to high it's the synth is tuned two octaves too low, but if you want your samples tuned down just set the base note down 2 octaves (in the instrument panel). so the synth is basically divided into 3 sections from left to right: oscillators/envelopes, then filter and LFO's, and in the right column you have mod routings and global settings. for the oscillator section you have two normal oscillators (sine, saw, square, noise), the second of which is tunable, the first one tunes with the key pressed. Attached to OSC 1 is a sub-oscillator, which is a sawtooth wave tuned one octave down. The phase modulation controls the point in the duty cycle at which the oscillator starts. The ADSR envelope sliders (grouped with oscs) are for modulation envelope 1 and 2 respectively. you can use the synth as a sampler by choosing the instrument at the top. In the filter column, the filter settings are: 1 = lowpass, 2 = highpass, 3 = off. cutoff and resonance. For the LFOs they are LFO 1 and LFO 2, the ADSR sliders in those are for the LFO itself. For the modulation routings you have ENV 1, LFO 1 for the first slider and ENV 2, LFO 2 for the second, you can cycle through the individual routings there, and you can route each modulation source to multiple destinations of course, which is another big plus for this synth. Finally the glide time is for portamento and master volume, well, the master volume... it can go quite loud. The sequencer is changed too, It's more like the one in AXS if you've used that, where you can mute tracks to re-use patterns with variation. <pre> Support for the following modules formats: 669 (Composer 669, Unis 669), AMF (DSMI Advanced Module Format), AMF (ASYLUM Music Format V1.0), APUN (APlayer), DSM (DSIK internal format), FAR (Farandole Composer), GDM (General DigiMusic), IT (Impulse Tracker), IMF (Imago Orpheus), MOD (15 and 31 instruments), MED (OctaMED), MTM (MultiTracker Module editor), OKT (Amiga Oktalyzer), S3M (Scream Tracker 3), STM (Scream Tracker), STX (Scream Tracker Music Interface Kit), ULT (UltraTracker), UNI (MikMod), XM (FastTracker 2), Mid (midi format via timidity) </pre> Possible plugin options include [http://lv2plug.in/ LV2], ====Midi - Musical Instrument Digital Interface==== A midi file typically contains music that plays on up to 16 channels (as per the midi standard), but many notes can simultaneously play on each channel (depending on the limit of the midi hardware playing it). '''Timidity''' Although usually already installed, you can uncompress the [http://www.libsdl.org/projects/SDL_mixer/ timidity.tar.gz (14MB)] into a suitable drawer like below's SYS:Extras/Audio/ assign timidity: SYS:Extras/Audio/timidity added to SYSːs/User-Startup '''WildMidi playback''' '''Audio Evolution 4 (2003) 4.0.23 (from 2012)''' *Sync Menu - CAMD Receive, Send checked *Options Menu - MIDI Machine Control - Midi Bar Display - Select CAMD MIDI in / out - Midi Remote Setup MCB Master Control Bus *Sending a MIDI start-command and a Song Position Pointer, you can synchronize audio with an external MIDI sequencer (like B&P). *B&P Receive, start AE, add AudioEvolution.ptool in Bars&Pipes track, press play / record in AE then press play in Pipes *CAMD Receive, receive MIDI start or continue commands via camd.library sync to AE *MIDI Machine Control *Midi Bar Display *Select CAMD MIDI in / out *Midi Remote Setup - open requester for external MIDI controllers to control app mixer and transport controls cc remotely Channel - mixer(vol, pan, mute, solo), eq, aux, fx, Subgroup - Volume, Mute, Solo Transport - Start, End, Play, Stop, Record, Rewind, Forward Misc - Master vol., Bank Down, Bank up <pre> q - quit First 3 already opened when AE started F1 - timeline window F2 - mixer F3 - control F4 - subgroups F5 - aux returns F6 - sample list i - Load sample to use space - start/stop play b - reset time 0:00 s - split mode r - open recording window a - automation edit mode with p panning, m mute and v volume [ / ] - zoom in / out : - previous track * - next track x c v f - cut copy paste cross-fade g - snap grid </pre> '''[http://bnp.hansfaust.de/ Bars n Pipes sequencer]''' BarsnPipes debug ... in shell Menu (right mouse) *Song - Songs load and save in .song format but option here to load/save Midi_Files .mid in FORMAT0 or FORMAT1 *Track - *Edit - *Tool - *Timing - SMTPE Synchronizing *Windows - *Preferences - Multiple MIDI-in option Windows (some of these are usually already opened when Bars n Pipes starts up for the first time) *Workflow -> Tracks, .... Song Construction, Time-line Scoring, Media Madness, Mix Maestro, *Control -> Transport (or mini one), Windows (which collects all the Windows icons together-shortcut), .... Toolbox, Accessories, Metronome, Once you have your windows placed on the screen that suits your workflow, Song -> Save as Default will save the positions, colors, icons, etc as you'd like them If you need a particular setup of Tracks, Tools, Tempos etc, you save them all as a new song you can load each time Right mouse menu -> Preferences -> Environment... -> ScreenMode - Linkages for Synch (to Slave) usbmidi.out.0 and Send (Master) usbmidi.in.0 - Clock MTC '''Tracks''' #Double-click on B&P's icon. B&P will then open with an empty Song. You can also double-click on a song icon to open a song in B&P. #Choose a track. The B&P screen will contain a Tracks Window with a number of tracks shown as pipelines (Track 1, Track 2, etc...). To choose a track, simply click on the gray box to show an arrow-icon to highlight it. This icon show whether a track is chosen or not. To the right of the arrow-icon, you can see the icon for the midi-input. If you double-click on this icon you can change the MIDI-in setup. #Choose Record for the track. To the right of the MIDI-input channel icon you can see a pipe. This leads to another clickable icon with that shows either P, R or M. This stands for Play, Record or Merge. To change the icon, simply click on it. If you choose P, this track can only play the track (you can't record anything). If you choose R, you can record what you play and it overwrites old stuff in the track. If you choose M, you merge new records with old stuff in the track. Choose R now to be able to make a record. #Chose MIDI-channel. On the most right part of the track you can see an icon with a number in it. This is the MIDI-channel selector. Here you must choose a MIDI-channel that is available on your synthesizer/keyboard. If you choose General MIDI channel 10, most synthesizer will play drum sounds. To the left of this icon is the MIDI-output icon. Double-click on this icon to change the MIDI-output configuration. #Start recording. The next step is to start recording. You must then find the control buttons (they look like buttons on a CD-player). To be able to make a record. you must click on the R icon. You can simply now press the play button (after you have pressed the R button) and play something on you keyboard. To playback your composition, press the Play button on the control panel. #Edit track. To edit a track, you simply double click in the middle part of a track. You will then get a new window containing the track, where you can change what you have recorded using tools provided. Take also a look in the drop-down menus for more features. Videos to help understand [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6gVTX-9900 small intro], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abq_rUTiSA4&t=3s Overview], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixOVutKsYQo Workplace Setup CC PC Sysex], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDnJLYPaZTs Import Song], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BC3kkzPLkv4 Tempo Mapping], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sd23kqMYPDs ptool Arpeggi-8], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDJq-YxgwQg PlayMidi Song], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DY9Pu5P9TaU Amiga Midi], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abq_rUTiSA4 Learning Amiga bars and Pipes], Groups like [https://groups.io/g/barsnpipes/topics this] could help '''Tracks window''' * blue "1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Group" and transport tape deck VCR-type controls * Flags * [http://theproblem.alco-rhythm.com/org/bp.html Track 1, Track2, to Track 16, on each Track there are many options that can be activated] Each Track has a *Left LHS - Click in grey box to select what Track to work on, Midi-In ptool icon should be here (5pin plug icon), and many more from the Toolbox on the Input Pipeline *Middle - (P, R, M) Play, Record, Merge/Multi before the sequencer line and a blue/red/yellow (Thru Mute Play) Tap *Right RHS - Output pipeline, can have icons placed uopn it with the final ptool icon(s) being the 5pin icon symbol for Midi-OUT Clogged pipelines may need Esc pressed several times '''Toolbox (tools affect the chosen pipeline)''' After opening the Toolbox window you can add extra Tools (.ptool) for the pipelines like keyboard(virtual), midimonitor, quick patch, transpose, triad, (un)quantize, feedback in/out, velocity etc right mouse -> Toolbox menu option -> Install Tool... and navigate to Tool drawer (folder) and select requried .ptool Accompany B tool to get some sort of rythmic accompaniment, Rythm Section and Groove Quantize are examples of other tools that make use of rythms [https://aminet.net/search?query=bars Bars & Pipes pattern format .ptrn] for drawer (folder). Load from the Menu as Track or Group '''Accessories (affect the whole app)''' Accessories -> Install... and goto the Accessories drawer for .paccess like adding ARexx scripting support '''Song Construction''' <pre> F1 Pencil F2 Magic Wand F3 Hand F4 Duplicator F5 Eraser F6 Toolpad F7 Bounding box F8 Lock to A-B-A A-B-A strip, section, edit flags, white boxes, </pre> Bars&Pipes Professional offers three track formats; basic song tracks, linear tracks — which don't loop — and finally real‑time tracks. The difference between them is that both song and linear tracks respond to tempo changes, while real‑time tracks use absolute timing, always trigger at the same instant regardless of tempo alterations '''Tempo Map''' F1 Pencil F2 Magic Wand F3 Hand F4 Eraser F5 Curve F6 Toolpad Compositions Lyrics, Key, Rhythm, Time Signature '''Master Parameters''' Key, Scale/Mode '''Track Parameters''' Dynamics '''Time-line Scoring''' '''Media Madness''' '''Mix Maestro''' *ACCESSORIES Allows the importation of other packages and additional modules *CLIPBOARD Full cut, copy and paste operations, enabling user‑definable clips to be shared between tracks. *INFORMATION A complete rundown on the state of the current production and your machine. *MASTER PARAMETERS Enables global definition of time signatures, lyrics, scales, chords, dynamics and rhythm changes. *MEDIA MADNESS A complete multimedia sequencer which allows samples, stills, animation, etc *METRONOME Tempo feedback via MIDI, internal Amiga audio and colour cycling — all three can be mixed and matched as required. *MIX MAESTRO Completely automated mixdown with control for both volume and pan. All fader alterations are memorised by the software *RECORD ACTIVATION Complete specification of the data to be recorded/merged. Allows overdubbing of pitch‑bend, program changes, modulation etc *SET FLAGS Numeric positioning of location and edit flags in either SMPTE or musical time *SONG CONSTRUCTION Large‑scale cut and paste of individual measures, verses or chorus, by means of bounding box and drag‑n‑drop mouse selections *TEMPO MAP Tempo change using a variety of linear and non‑linear transition curves *TEMPO PALETTE Instant tempo changes courtesy of four user‑definable settings. *TIMELINE SCORING Sequencing of a selection of songs over a defined period — ideal for planning an entire set for a live performance. *TOOLBOX Selection screen for the hundreds of signal‑processing tools available *TRACKS Opens the main track window to enable recording, editing and the use of tools. *TRANSPORT Main playback control window, which also provides access to user‑ defined flags, loop and punch‑in record modes. Bars and Pipes Pro 2.5 is using internal 4-Byte IDs, to check which kind of data are currently processed. Especially in all its files the IDs play an important role. The IDs are stored into the file in the same order they are laid out in the memory. In a Bars 'N' Pipes file (no matter which kind) the ID "NAME" (saved as its ANSI-values) is stored on a big endian system (68k-computer) as "NAME". On a little endian system (x86 PC computer) as "EMAN". The target is to make the AROS-BnP compatible to songs, which were stored on a 68k computer (AMIGA). If possible, setting MIDI channels for Local Control for your keyboard http://www.fromwithin.com/liquidmidi/archive.shtml MIDI files are essentially a stream of event data. An event can be many things, but typically "note on", "note off", "program change", "controller change", or messages that instruct a MIDI compatible synth how to play a given bit of music. * Channel - 1 to 16 - * Messages - PC presets, CC effects like delays, reverbs, etc * Sequencing - MIDI instruments, Drums, Sound design, * Recording - * GUI - Piano roll or Tracker, Staves and Notes MIDI events/messages like step entry e.g. Note On, Note Off MIDI events/messages like PB, PC, CC, Mono and Poly After-Touch, Sysex, etc MIDI sync - Midi Clocks (SPS Measures), Midi Time Code (h, m, s and frames) SMPTE Individual track editing with audition edits so easier to test any changes. Possible to stop track playback, mix clips from the right edit flag and scroll the display using arrow keys. Step entry, to extend a selected note hit the space bar and the note grows accordingly. Ability to cancel mouse‑driven edits by simply clicking the right mouse button — at which point everything snaps back into its original form. Lyrics can now be put in with syllable dividers, even across an entire measure or section. Autoranging when you open a edit window, the notes are automatically displayed — working from the lowest upwards. Flag editing, shift‑click on a flag immediately open the bounds window, ready for numeric input. Ability to cancel edits using the right‑hand mouse button, plus much improved Bounding Box operations. Icons other than the BarsnPipes icon -> PUBSCREEN=BarsnPipes (cannot choose modes higher than 8bit 256 colors) Preferences -> Menu in Tracks window - Send MIDI defaults OFF Prefs -> Environment -> screenmode (saved to BarsnPipes.prefs binary file) Customization -> pics in gui drawer (folder) - Can save as .song files and .mid General Midi SMF is a “Standard Midi File” ([http://www.music.mcgill.ca/~ich/classes/mumt306/StandardMIDIfileformat.html SMF0, SMF1 and SMF2]), [https://github.com/stump/libsmf libsmf], [https://github.com/markc/midicomp MIDIcomp], [https://github.com/MajicDesigns/MD_MIDIFile C++ src], [], [https://github.com/newdigate/midi-smf-reader Midi player], * SMF0 All MIDI data is stored in one track only, separated exclusively by the MIDI channel. * SMF1 The MIDI data is stored in separate tracks/channels. * SMF2 (rarely used) The MIDI data is stored in separate tracks, which are additionally wrapped in containers, so it's possible to have e.g. several tracks using the same MIDI channels. Would it be possible to enrich Bars N’Pipes with software synth and sample support along with audio recording and mastering tools like in the named MAC or PC music sequencers? On the classic AMIGA-OS this is not possible because of missing CPU-power. The hardware of the classic AMIGA is not further developed. So we must say (unfortunately) that those dreams can’t become reality BarsnPipes is best used with external MIDI-equipment. This can be a keyboard or synthesizer with MIDI-connectors. <pre> MIDI can control 16 channels There are USB-MIDI-Interfaces on the market with 16 independent MIDI-lines (multi-port), which can handle 16 MIDI devices independently – 16×16 = 256 independent MIDI-channels or instruments handle up to 16 different USB-MIDI-Interfaces (multi-device). That is: 16X16X16 = 4096 independent MIDI-channels – theoretically </pre> <pre> Librarian MIDI SYStem EXplorer (sysex) - PatchEditor and used to be supplied as a separate program like PatchMeister but currently not at present It should support MIDI.library (PD), BlueRibbon.library (B&P), TriplePlayPlus, and CAMD.library (DeluxeMusic) and MIDI information from a device's user manual and configure a custom interface to access parameters for all MIDI products connected to the system Supports ALL MIDI events and the Patch/Librarian data is stored in MIDI standard format Annette M.Crowling, Missing Link Software, Inc. </pre> Composers <pre> [https://x.com/hirasawa/status/1403686519899054086 Susumu Hirasawa] </pre> <pre> 1988 Todor Fay and his wife Melissa Jordan Gray, who founded the Blue Ribbon Inc 1992 Bars&Pipes Pro published November 2000, Todor Fay announcement to release the sourcecode of Bars&Pipes Pro 2.5c beta end of May 2001, the source of the main program and the sources of some tools and accessories were in a complete and compileable state end of October 2009 stop further development of BarsnPipes New for now on all supported systems and made freeware 2013 Alfred Faust diagnosed with incureable illness, called „Myastenia gravis“ (weak muscles) </pre> Protrekkr How to use Midi In/Out in Protrekkr ? First of all, midi in & out capabilities of this program are rather limited. # Go to Misc. Setup section and select a midi in or out device to use (ptk only supports one device at a time). # Go to instrument section, and select a MIDI PRG (the default is N/A, which means no midi program selected). # Go to track section and here you can assign a midi channel to each track of ptk. # Play notes :]. Note off works. F'x' note cut command also works too, and note-volume command (speed) is supported. Also, you can change midicontrollers in the tracker, using '90' in the panning row: <pre> C-3 02 .. .. 0000.... --- .. .. 90 xxyy.... << This will set the value --- .. .. .. 0000.... of the controller n.'xx' to 'yy' (both in hex) --- .. .. .. 0000.... </pre> So "--- .. .. 90 2040...." will set the controller number $20(32) to $40(64). You will need the midi implementation table of your gear to know what you can change with midi controller messages. N.B. Not all MIDI devices are created equal! Although the MIDI specification defines a large range of MIDI messages of various kinds, not every MIDI device is required to work in exactly the same way and respond to all the available messages and ways of working. For example, we don't expect a wind synthesiser to work in the same way as a home keyboard. Some devices, the older ones perhaps, are only able to respond to a single channel. With some of those devices that channel can be altered from the default of 1 (probably) to another channel of the 16 possible. Other devices, for instance monophonic synthesisers, are capable of producing just one note at a time, on one MIDI channel. Others can produce many notes spread across many channels. Further devices can respond to, and transmit, "breath controller" data (MIDI controller number 2 (CC#2)) others may respond to the reception of CC#2 but not be able to create and to send it. A controller keyboard may be capable of sending "expression pedal" data, but another device may not be capable of responding to that message. Some devices just have the basic GM sound set. The "voice" or "instrument" is selected using a "Program Change" message on its own. Other devices have a greater selection of voices, usually arranged in "banks", and the choice of instrument is made by responding to "Bank Select MSB" (MIDI controller 0 (CC#0)), others use "Bank Select LSB" (MIDI controller number 32 (CC#32)), yet others use both MSB and LSB sent one after the other, all followed by the Program Change message. The detailed information about all the different voices will usually be available in a published MIDI Data List. MIDI Implementation Chart But in the User Manual there is sometimes a summary of how the device works, in terms of MIDI, in the chart at the back of the manual, the MIDI Implementation Chart. If you require two devices to work together you can compare the two implementation charts to see if they are "compatible". In order to do this we will need to interpret that chart. The chart is divided into four columns headed "Function", "Transmitted" (or "Tx"), "Received" (or "Rx"), or more correctly "Recognised", and finally, "Remarks". <pre> The left hand column defines which MIDI functions are being described. The 2nd column defines what the device in question is capable of transmitting to another device. The 3rd column defines what the device is capable of responding to. The 4th column is for explanations of the values contained within these previous two columns. </pre> There should then be twelve sections, with possibly a thirteenth containing extra "Notes". Finally there should be an explanation of the four MIDI "modes" and what the "X" and the "O" mean. <pre> Mode 1: Omni On, Poly; Mode 2: Omni On, Mono; Mode 3: Omni Off, Poly; Mode 4: Omni Off, Mono. </pre> O means "yes" (implemented), X means "no" (not implemented). Sometimes you will find a row of asterisks "**************", these seem to indicate that the data is not applicable in this case. Seen in the transmitted field only (unless you've seen otherwise). Lastly you may find against some entries an asterisk followed by a number e.g. *1, these will refer you to further information, often on a following page, giving more detail. Basic Channel But the very first set of boxes will tell us the "Basic Channel(s)" that the device sends or receives on. "Default" is what happens when the device is first turned on, "changed" is what a switch of some kind may allow the device to be set to. For many devices e.g. a GM sound module or a home keyboard, this would be 1-16 for both. That is it can handle sending and receiving on all MIDI channels. On other devices, for example a synthesiser, it may by default only work on channel 1. But the keyboard could be "split" with the lower notes e.g. on channel 2. If the synth has an arppegiator, this may be able to be set to transmit and or receive on yet another channel. So we might see the default as "1" but the changed as "1-16". Modes. We need to understand Omni On and Off, and Mono and Poly, then we can decipher the four modes. But first we need to understand that any of these four Mode messages can be sent to any MIDI channel. They don't necessarily apply to the whole device. If we send an "Omni On" message (CC#125) to a MIDI channel of a device, we are, in effect, asking it to respond to e.g. a Note On / Off message pair, received on any of the sixteen channels. Sound strange? Read it again. Still strange? It certainly is. We normally want a MIDI channel to respond only to Note On / Off messages sent on that channel, not any other. In other words, "Omni Off". So "Omni Off" (CC#124) tells a channel of our MIDI device to respond only to messages sent on that MIDI channel. "Poly" (CC#127) is for e.g. a channel of a polyphonic sound module, or a home keyboard, to be able to respond to many simultaneous Note On / Off message pairs at once and produce musical chords. "Mono" (CC#126) allows us to set a channel to respond as if it were e.g. a flute or a trumpet, playing just one note at a time. If the device is capable of it, then the overlapping of notes will produce legato playing, that is the attack portion of the second note of two overlapping notes will be removed resulting in a "smoother" transition. So a channel with a piano voice assigned to it will have Omni Off, Poly On (Mode 3), a channel with a saxophone voice assigned could be Omni Off, Mono On (Mode 4). We call these combinations the four modes, 1 to 4, as defined above. Most modern devices will have their channels set to Mode 3 (Omni Off, Poly) but be switchable, on a per channel basis, to Mode 4 (Omni Off, Mono). This second section of data will include first its default value i.e. upon device switch on. Then what Mode messages are acceptable, or X if none. Finally, in the "Altered" field, how a Mode message that can't be implemented will be interpreted. Usually there will just be a row of asterisks effectively meaning nothing will be done if you try to switch to an unimplemented mode. Note Number <pre> The next row will tell us which MIDI notes the device can send or receive, normally 0-127. The second line, "True Voice" has the following in the MIDI specification: "Range of received note numbers falling within the range of true notes produced by the instrument." My interpretation is that, for instance, a MIDI piano may be capable of sending all MIDI notes (0 to 127) by transposition, but only responding to the 88 notes (21 to 108) of a real piano. </pre> Velocity This will tell us whether the device we're looking at will handle note velocity, and what range from 1-127, or maybe just 64, it transmits or will recognise. So usually "O" plus a range or "X" for not implemented. After touch This may have one or two lines two it. If a one liner the either "O" or "X", yes or no. If a two liner then it may include "Keys" or "Poly" and "Channel". This will show whether the device will respond to Polyphonic after touch or channel after touch or neither. Pitch Bend Again "O" for implemented, "X" for not implemented. (Many stage pianos will have no pitch bend capability.) It may also, in the notes section, state whether it will respond to the full 14 bits, or not, as usually encoded by the pitch bend wheel. Control Change This is likely to be the largest section of the chart. It will list all those controllers, starting from CC#0, Bank Select MSB, which the device is capable of sending, and those that it will respond to using "O" or "X" respectively. You will, almost certainly, get some further explanation of functionality in the remarks column, or in more detail elsewhere in the documentation. Of course you will need to know what all the various controller numbers do. Lots of the official technical specifications can be found at the [www.midi.org/techspecs/ MMA], with the table of messages and control change [www.midi.org/techspecs/midimessages.php message numbers] Program Change Again "O" or "X" in the Transmitted or Recognised column to indicate whether or not the feature is implemented. In addition a range of numbers is shown, typically 0-127, to show what is available. True # (number): "The range of the program change numbers which correspond to the actual number of patches selected." System Exclusive Used to indicate whether or not the device can send or recognise System Exclusive messages. A short description is often given in the Remarks field followed by a detailed explanation elsewhere in the documentation. System Common - These include the following: <pre> MIDI Time Code Quarter Frame messages (device synchronisation). Song Position Pointer Song Select Tune Request </pre> The section will indicate whether or not the device can send or respond to any of these messages. System Real Time These include the following: <pre> Timing Clock - often just written as "Clock" Start Stop Continue </pre> These three are usually just referred to as "Commands" and listed. Again the section will indicate which, if any, of these messages the device can send or respond to. <pre> Aux. Messages Again "O" or "X" for implemented or not. Aux. = Auxiliary. Active Sense = Active Sensing. </pre> Often with an explanation of the action of the device. Notes The "Notes" section can contain any additional comments to clarify the particular implementation. Some of the explanations have been drawn directly from the MMA MIDI 1.0 Detailed Specification. And the detailed explanation of some of the functions will be found there, or in the General MIDI System Level 1 or General MIDI System Level 2 documents also published by the MMA. OFFICIAL MIDI SPECIFICATIONS SUMMARY OF MIDI MESSAGES Table 1 - Summary of MIDI Messages The following table lists the major MIDI messages in numerical (binary) order (adapted from "MIDI by the Numbers" by D. Valenti, Electronic Musician 2/88, and updated by the MIDI Manufacturers Association.). This table is intended as an overview of MIDI, and is by no means complete. WARNING! Details about implementing these messages can dramatically impact compatibility with other products. We strongly recommend consulting the official MIDI Specifications for additional information. MIDI 1.0 Specification Message Summary Channel Voice Messages [nnnn = 0-15 (MIDI Channel Number 1-16)] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Status D7----D0 ! width="10%" |Data Byte(s) D7----D0 ! width="20%" |Description |- |<!--Status-->1000nnnn || <!--Data-->0kkkkkkk 0vvvvvvv || <!--Description-->Note Off event. This message is sent when a note is released (ended). (kkkkkkk) is the key (note) number. (vvvvvvv) is the velocity. |- |<!--Status-->1001nnnn || <!--Data-->0kkkkkkk 0vvvvvvv || <!--Description-->Note On event. This message is sent when a note is depressed (start). (kkkkkkk) is the key (note) number. (vvvvvvv) is the velocity. |- |<!--Status-->1010nnnn || <!--Data-->0kkkkkkk 0vvvvvvv || <!--Description-->Polyphonic Key Pressure (Aftertouch). This message is most often sent by pressing down on the key after it "bottoms out". (kkkkkkk) is the key (note) number. (vvvvvvv) is the pressure value. |- |<!--Status-->1011nnnn || <!--Data-->0ccccccc 0vvvvvvv || <!--Description-->Control Change. This message is sent when a controller value changes. Controllers include devices such as pedals and levers. Controller numbers 120-127 are reserved as "Channel Mode Messages" (below). (ccccccc) is the controller number (0-119). (vvvvvvv) is the controller value (0-127). |- |<!--Status-->1100nnnn || <!--Data-->0ppppppp || <!--Description-->Program Change. This message sent when the patch number changes. (ppppppp) is the new program number. |- |<!--Status-->1101nnnn || <!--Data-->0vvvvvvv || <!--Description-->Channel Pressure (After-touch). This message is most often sent by pressing down on the key after it "bottoms out". This message is different from polyphonic after-touch. Use this message to send the single greatest pressure value (of all the current depressed keys). (vvvvvvv) is the pressure value. |- |<!--Status-->1110nnnn || <!--Data-->0lllllll 0mmmmmmm || <!--Description-->Pitch Bend Change. This message is sent to indicate a change in the pitch bender (wheel or lever, typically). The pitch bender is measured by a fourteen bit value. Center (no pitch change) is 2000H. Sensitivity is a function of the receiver, but may be set using RPN 0. (lllllll) are the least significant 7 bits. (mmmmmmm) are the most significant 7 bits. |} Channel Mode Messages (See also Control Change, above) {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Status D7----D0 ! width="10%" |Data Byte(s) D7----D0 ! width="20%" |Description |- |<!--Status-->1011nnnn || <!--Data-->0ccccccc 0vvvvvvv || <!--Description-->Channel Mode Messages. This the same code as the Control Change (above), but implements Mode control and special message by using reserved controller numbers 120-127. The commands are: *All Sound Off. When All Sound Off is received all oscillators will turn off, and their volume envelopes are set to zero as soon as possible c = 120, v = 0: All Sound Off *Reset All Controllers. When Reset All Controllers is received, all controller values are reset to their default values. (See specific Recommended Practices for defaults) c = 121, v = x: Value must only be zero unless otherwise allowed in a specific Recommended Practice. *Local Control. When Local Control is Off, all devices on a given channel will respond only to data received over MIDI. Played data, etc. will be ignored. Local Control On restores the functions of the normal controllers. c = 122, v = 0: Local Control Off c = 122, v = 127: Local Control On * All Notes Off. When an All Notes Off is received, all oscillators will turn off. c = 123, v = 0: All Notes Off (See text for description of actual mode commands.) c = 124, v = 0: Omni Mode Off c = 125, v = 0: Omni Mode On c = 126, v = M: Mono Mode On (Poly Off) where M is the number of channels (Omni Off) or 0 (Omni On) c = 127, v = 0: Poly Mode On (Mono Off) (Note: These four messages also cause All Notes Off) |} System Common Messages System Messages (0xF0) The final status nybble is a “catch all” for data that doesn’t fit the other statuses. They all use the most significant nybble (4bits) of 0xF, with the least significant nybble indicating the specific category. The messages are denoted when the MSB of the second nybble is 1. When that bit is a 0, the messages fall into two other subcategories. System Common If the MSB of the second second nybble (4 bits) is not set, this indicates a System Common message. Most of these are messages that include some additional data bytes. System Common Messages Type Status Byte Number of Data Bytes Usage <pre> Time Code Quarter Frame 0xF1 1 Indicates timing using absolute time code, primarily for synthronization with video playback systems. A single location requires eight messages to send the location in an encoded hours:minutes:seconds:frames format*. Song Position 0xF2 2 Instructs a sequencer to jump to a new position in the song. The data bytes form a 14-bit value that expresses the location as the number of sixteenth notes from the start of the song. Song Select 0xF3 1 Instructs a sequencer to select a new song. The data byte indicates the song. Undefined 0xF4 0 Undefined 0xF5 0 Tune Request 0xF6 0 Requests that the receiver retunes itself**. </pre> *MIDI Time Code (MTC) is significantly complex. Please see the MIDI Specification **While modern digital instruments are good at staying in tune, older analog synthesizers were prone to tuning drift. Some analog synthesizers had an automatic tuning operation that could be initiated with this command. System Exclusive If you’ve been keeping track, you’ll notice there are two status bytes not yet defined: 0xf0 and 0xf7. These are used by the System Exclusive message, often abbreviated at SysEx. SysEx provides a path to send arbitrary data over a MIDI connection. There is a group of predefined messages for complex data, like fine grained control of MIDI Time code machinery. SysEx is also used to send manufacturer defined data, such as patches, or even firmware updates. System Exclusive messages are longer than other MIDI messages, and can be any length. The messages are of the following format: 0xF0, 0xID, 0xdd, ...... 0xF7 The message is bookended with distinct bytes. It opens with the Start Of Exclusive (SOX) data byte, 0xF0. The next one to three bytes after the start are an identifier. Values from 0x01 to 0x7C are one-byte vendor IDs, assigned to manufacturers who were involved with MIDI at the beginning. If the ID is 0x00, it’s a three-byte vendor ID - the next two bytes of the message are the value. <pre> ID 0x7D is a placeholder for non-commercial entities. ID 0x7E indicates a predefined Non-realtime SysEx message. ID 0x7F indicates a predefined Realtime SysEx message. </pre> After the ID is the data payload, sent as a stream of bytes. The transfer concludes with the End of Exclusive (EOX) byte, 0xF7. The payload data must follow the guidelines for MIDI data bytes – the MSB must not be set, so only 7 bits per byte are actually usable. If the MSB is set, it falls into three possible scenarios. An End of Exclusive byte marks the ordinary termination of the SysEx transfer. System Real Time messages may occur within the transfer without interrupting it. The recipient should handle them independently of the SysEx transfer. Other status bytes implicitly terminate the SysEx transfer and signal the start of new messages. Some inexpensive USB-to-MIDI interfaces aren’t capable of handling messages longer than four bytes. {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Status D7----D0 ! width="10%" |Data Byte(s) D7----D0 ! width="20%" |Description |- |<!--Status-->11110000 || <!--Data-->0iiiiiii [0iiiiiii 0iiiiiii] 0ddddddd --- --- 0ddddddd 11110111 || <!--Description-->System Exclusive. This message type allows manufacturers to create their own messages (such as bulk dumps, patch parameters, and other non-spec data) and provides a mechanism for creating additional MIDI Specification messages. The Manufacturer's ID code (assigned by MMA or AMEI) is either 1 byte (0iiiiiii) or 3 bytes (0iiiiiii 0iiiiiii 0iiiiiii). Two of the 1 Byte IDs are reserved for extensions called Universal Exclusive Messages, which are not manufacturer-specific. If a device recognizes the ID code as its own (or as a supported Universal message) it will listen to the rest of the message (0ddddddd). Otherwise, the message will be ignored. (Note: Only Real-Time messages may be interleaved with a System Exclusive.) |- |<!--Status-->11110001 || <!--Data-->0nnndddd || <!--Description-->MIDI Time Code Quarter Frame. nnn = Message Type dddd = Values |- |<!--Status-->11110010 || <!--Data-->0lllllll 0mmmmmmm || <!--Description-->Song Position Pointer. This is an internal 14 bit register that holds the number of MIDI beats (1 beat= six MIDI clocks) since the start of the song. l is the LSB, m the MSB. |- |<!--Status-->11110011 || <!--Data-->0sssssss || <!--Description-->Song Select. The Song Select specifies which sequence or song is to be played. |- |<!--Status-->11110100 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Undefined. (Reserved) |- |<!--Status-->11110101 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Undefined. (Reserved) |- |<!--Status-->11110110 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Tune Request. Upon receiving a Tune Request, all analog synthesizers should tune their oscillators. |- |<!--Status-->11110111 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->End of Exclusive. Used to terminate a System Exclusive dump. |} System Real-Time Messages {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Status D7----D0 ! width="10%" |Data Byte(s) D7----D0 ! width="20%" |Description |- |<!--Status-->11111000 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Timing Clock. Sent 24 times per quarter note when synchronization is required. |- |<!--Status-->11111001 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Undefined. (Reserved) |- |<!--Status-->11111010 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Start. Start the current sequence playing. (This message will be followed with Timing Clocks). |- |<!--Status-->11111011 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Continue. Continue at the point the sequence was Stopped. |- |<!--Status-->11111100 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Stop. Stop the current sequence. |- |<!--Status-->11111101 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Undefined. (Reserved) |- |<!--Status-->11111110 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Active Sensing. This message is intended to be sent repeatedly to tell the receiver that a connection is alive. Use of this message is optional. When initially received, the receiver will expect to receive another Active Sensing message each 300ms (max), and if it does not then it will assume that the connection has been terminated. At termination, the receiver will turn off all voices and return to normal (non- active sensing) operation. |- |<!--Status-->11111111 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Reset. Reset all receivers in the system to power-up status. This should be used sparingly, preferably under manual control. In particular, it should not be sent on power-up. |} Advanced Messages Polyphonic Pressure (0xA0) and Channel Pressure (0xD0) Some MIDI controllers include a feature known as Aftertouch. While a key is being held down, the player can press harder on the key. The controller measures this, and converts it into MIDI messages. Aftertouch comes in two flavors, with two different status messages. The first flavor is polyphonic aftertouch, where every key on the controller is capable of sending its own independent pressure information. The messages are of the following format: <pre> 0xnc, 0xkk, 0xpp n is the status (0xA) c is the channel nybble kk is the key number (0 to 127) pp is the pressure value (0 to 127) </pre> Polyphonic aftertouch is an uncommon feature, usually found on premium quality instruments, because every key requires a separate pressure sensor, plus the circuitry to read them all. Much more commonly found is channel aftertouch. Instead of needing a discrete sensor per key, it uses a single, larger sensor to measure pressure on all of the keys as a group. The messages omit the key number, leaving a two-byte format <pre> 0xnc, 0xpp n is the status (0xD) c is the channel number pp is the pressure value (0 to 127) </pre> Pitch Bend (0xE0) Many keyboards have a wheel or lever towards the left of the keys for pitch bend control. This control is usually spring-loaded, so it snaps back to the center of its range when released. This allows for both upward and downward bends. Pitch Bend Wheel The wheel sends pitch bend messages, of the format <pre> 0xnc, 0xLL, 0xMM n is the status (0xE) c is the channel number LL is the 7 least-significant bits of the value MM is the 7 most-significant bits of the value </pre> You’ll notice that the bender data is actually 14 bits long, transmitted as two 7-bit data bytes. This means that the recipient needs to reassemble those bytes using binary manipulation. 14 bits results in an overall range of 214, or 0 to 16,383. Because it defaults to the center of the range, the default value for the bender is halfway through that range, at 8192 (0x2000). Control Change (0xB0) In addition to pitch bend, MIDI has provisions for a wider range of expressive controls, sometimes known as continuous controllers, often abbreviated CC. These are transmitted by the remaining knobs and sliders on the keyboard controller shown below. Continuous Controllers These controls send the following message format: <pre> 0xnc, 0xcc, 0xvv n is the status (0xB) c is the MIDI channel cc is the controller number (0-127) vv is the controller value (0-127) </pre> Typically, the wheel next to the bender sends controller number one, assigned to modulation (or vibrato) depth. It is implemented by most instruments. The remaining controller number assignments are another point of confusion. The MIDI specification was revised in version 2.0 to assign uses for many of the controllers. However, this implementation is not universal, and there are ranges of unassigned controllers. On many modern MIDI devices, the controllers are assignable. On the controller keyboard shown in the photos, the various controls can be configured to transmit different controller numbers. Controller numbers can be mapped to particular parameters. Virtual synthesizers frequently allow the user to assign CCs to the on-screen controls. This is very flexible, but it might require configuration on both ends of the link and completely bypasses the assignments in the standard. Program Change (0xC0) Most synthesizers have patch storage memory, and can be told to change patches using the following command: <pre> 0xnc, 0xpp n is the status (0xc) c is the channel pp is the patch number (0-127) </pre> This allows for 128 sounds to be selected, but modern instruments contain many more than 128 patches. Controller #0 is used as an additional layer of addressing, interpreted as a “bank select” command. Selecting a sound on such an instrument might involve two messages: a bank select controller message, then a program change. Audio & Midi are not synchronized, what I can do ? Buy a commercial software package but there is a nasty trick to synchronize both. It's a bit hardcore but works for me: Simply put one line down to all midi notes on your pattern (use Insert key) and go to 'Misc. Setup', adjust the latency and just search a value that will make sound sync both audio/midi. The stock Sin/Saw/Pulse and Rnd waveforms are too simple/common, is there a way to use something more complex/rich ? You have to ability to redirect the waveforms of the instruments through the synth pipe by selecting the "wav" option for the oscillator you're using for this synth instrument, samples can be used as wavetables to replace the stock signals. Sound banks like soundfont (sf2) or Kontakt2 are not supported at the moment ====DAW Audio Evolution 4==== Audio Evolution 4 gives you unsurpassed power for digital audio recording and editing on the Amiga. The latest release focusses on time-saving non-linear and non-destructive editing, as seen on other platforms. Besides editing, Audio Evolution 4 offers a wide range of realtime effects, including compression, noise gate, delays, reverb, chorus and 3-band EQ. Whether you put them as inserts on a channel or use them as auxillaries, the effect parameters are realtime adjustable and can be fully automated. Together with all other mixing parameters, they can even be controlled remotely, using more ergonomic MIDI hardware. Non-linear editing on the time line, including cut, copy, paste, move, split, trim and crossfade actions The number of tracks per project(s) is unlimited .... AHI limits you to recording only two at a time. i.e. not on 8 track sound cards like the Juli@ or Phase 88. sample file import is limited to 16bit AIFF (not AIFC, important distinction as some files from other sources can be AIFC with aiff file extension). and 16bit WAV (pcm only) Most apps use the Music Unit only but a few apps also use Unit (0-3) instead or as well. * Set up AHI prefs so that microphone is available. (Input option near the bottom) stereo++ allows the audio piece to be placed anywhere and the left-right adjusted to sound positionally right hifi best for music playback if driver supports this option Load 16bit .aif .aiff only sample(s) to use not AIFC which can have the same ending. AIFF stands for Audio Interchange File Format sox recital.wav recital.aiff sox recital.wav −b 16 recital.aiff channels 1 rate 16k fade 3 norm sox input.wav output.aiff bass −b 16 rate 48k performs the same format translation, but also applies four effects (down-mix to one channel, sample rate change, fade-in, nomalize), and stores the result at a bit-depth of 16. rec −c 2 radio.aiff trim 0 30:00 records half an hour of stereo audio play existing-file.wav 24bit PCM WAV or AIFF do not work *No stream format handling. So no way to pass on an AC3 encoded stream unmodified to the digital outputs through AHI. *No master volume handling. Each application has to set its own volume. So each driver implements its own custom driver-mixer interface for handling master volumes, mute and preamps. *Only one output stream. So all input gets mixed into one output. *No automatic handling of output direction based on connected cables. *No monitor input selection. Only monitor volume control. select the correct input (Don't mistake enabled sound for the correct input.) The monitor will feedback audio to the lineout and hp out no matter if you have selected the correct input to the ADC. The monitor will provide sound for any valid input. This will result in free mixing when recording from the monitor input instead of mic/line because the monitor itself will provide the hardware mixing for you. Be aware that MIC inputs will give two channel mono. Only Linein will give real stereo. Now for the not working part. Attempt to record from linein in the AE4 record window, the right channel is noise and the left channel is distorted. Even with the recommended HIFI 16bit Stereo++ mode at 48kHz. Channels Monitor Gain Inout Output Advanced settings - Debugging via serial port * Options -> Soundcard In/Out * Options -> SampleRate * Options -> Preferences F6 for Sample File List Setting a grid is easy as is measuring the BPM by marking a section of the sample. Is your kick drum track "not in time" ? If so, you're stumped in AE4 as it has no fancy variable time signatures and definitely no 'track this dodgy rhythm' function like software of the nature of Logic has. So if your drum beat is freeform you will need to work in freeform mode. (Real music is free form anyway). If the drum *is* accurate and you are just having trouble measuring the time, I usually measure over a range of bars and set the number of beats in range to say 16 as this is more accurate, Then you will need to shift the drum track to match your grid *before* applying the grid. (probably an iterative process as when the grid is active samples snap to it, and when inactive you cannot see it). AE4 does have ARexx but the functions are more for adding samples at set offsets and starting playback / recording. These are the usual features found in DAWs... * Recording digital audio, midi sequencer and mixer * virtual VST instruments and plug-ins * automation, group channels, MIDI channels, FX sends and returns, audio and MIDI editors and music notation editor * different track views * mixer and track layout (but not the same as below) * traditional two windows (track and mixer) Mixing - mixdown Could not figure out how to select what part I wanted to send to the aux, set it to echo and return. Pretty much the whole echo effect. Or any effect. Take look at page17 of the manual. When you open the EQ / Aux send popup window you will see 4 sends. Now from the menu choose the windows menu. Menus->Windows-> Aux Returns Window or press F5 You will see a small window with 4 volume controls and an effects button for each. Click a button and add an effects to that aux channel, then set it up as desired (note the reverb effect has a special AUX setting that improves its use with the aux channel, not compulsory but highly useful). You set the amount of 'return' on the main mix in the Aux Return window, and the amount sent from each main mixer channel in the popup for that channel. Again the aux sends are "prefade" so the volume faders on each channel do not affect them. Tracking Effects - fade in To add some echoes to some vocals, tried to add an effect on a track but did not come out. This is made more complicated as I wanted to mute a vocal but then make it echo at the muting point. Want to have one word of a vocal heard and then echoed off. But when the track is mute the echo is cancelled out. To correctly understand what is happening here you need to study the figure at the bottom of page 15 on the manual. You will see from that that the effects are applied 'prefade' So the automation you applied will naturally mute the entire signal. There would be a number of ways to achieve the goal, You have three real time effects slots, one for smoothing like so Sample -> Amplify -> Delay Then automate the gain of the amplify block so that it effectively mutes the sample just before the delay at the appropriate moment, the echo effect should then be heard. Getting the effects in the right order will require experimentation as they can only be added top down and it's not obvious which order they are applied to the signal, but there only two possibilities, so it wont take long to find out. Using MUTE can cause clicks to the Amplify can be used to mute more smoothly so that's a secondary advantage. Signal Processing - Overdub [[#top|...to the top]] ===Office=== ====Spreadsheet Leu==== Support for some xlsx, and ods functions ====Spreadsheet Ignition==== ; Needs ABIv1 to be completed before more can be done File formats supported * ascii #?.txt and #?.csv (single sheets with data only). * igs and TurboCalc(WIP) #?.tc for all sheets with data, formats and formulas. There is '''no''' support for xls, xlsx, ods or uos ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_Office_Format Uniform Unified Office Format]) at the moment. * Always use Esc key after editing Spreadsheet cells. * copy/paste seems to copy the first instance only so go to Edit -> Clipboard to manage the list of remembered actions. * Right mouse click on row (1 or 2 or 3) or column header (a or b or c) to access optimal height or width of the row or column respectively * Edit -> Insert -> Row seems to clear the spreadsheet or clears the rows after the inserted row until undo restores as it should be... Change Sheet name by Object -> Sheet -> Properties Click in the cell which will contain the result, and click '''down arrow button''' to the right of the formula box at the bottom of the spreadsheet and choose the function required from the list provided. Then click on the start cell and click on the bottom right corner, a '''very''' small blob, which allows stretching a bounding box (thick grey outlines) across many cells This grey bounding box can be used to '''copy a formula''' to other cells. Object -> Cell -> Properties to change cell format - Currency only covers DM and not $, Euro, Renminbi, Yen or Pound etc. Shift key and arrow keys selects a range of cells, so that '''formatting can be done to all highlighted cells'''. View -> Overview then select ALL with one click (in empty cell in the top left hand corner of the sheet). Default mode is relative cell referencing e.g. a1+a2 but absolute e.g. $a$1+$a$2 can be entered. * #sheet-name to '''absolute''' reference another sheet-name cell unless reference() function used. ;Graphs use shift key and arrow keys to select a bunch of cells to be graph'ed making sure that x axes represents and y axes represents * value() - 0 value, 1 percent, 2 date, 3 time, 4 unit ... ;Dates * Excel starts a running count from the 1st Jan 1900 and Ignition starts from 1st Jan 1AD '''(maybe this needs to change)''' Set formatting Object -> Cell -> Properties and put date in days ;Time Set formatting Object -> Cell -> Properties and put time in seconds taken ;Database (to be done by someone else) type - standard, reference (bezug), search criterion (suchkriterium), * select a bunch of cells and Object -> Database -> Define to set Datenbank (database) and Felder (fields not sure how?) * Neu (new) or loschen (delete) to add/remove database headings e.g. Personal, Start Date, Finish Date (one per row?) * Object -> Database -> Index to add fields (felder) like Surname, First Name, Employee ID, etc. to ? Filtering done with dbfilter(), dbproduct() and dbposition(). Activities with dbsum(), dbaverage(), dbmin() and dbmax(). Table sorting - ;Scripts (Arexx) ;Excel(TM) to Ignition - commas ''',''' replaced by semi-colons ''';''' to separate values within functions *SUM(), *AVERAGE(), MAX(), MIN(), INT(), PRODUCT(), MEDIAN(), VAR() becomes Variance(), Percentile(), *IF(), AND, OR, NOT *LEFT(), RIGHT(), MID() becomes MIDDLE(), LEN() becomes LENGTH(), *LOWER() becomes LOWERCASE(), UPPER() becomes UPPERCASE(), * DATE(yyyy,mm,dd) becomes COMPUTEDATE(dd;mm;yyyy), *TODAY(), DAY(),WEEK(), MONTH(),=YEAR(TODAY()), *EOMONTH() becomes MONTHLENGTH(), *NOW() should be date and time becomes time only, SECOND(), MINUTE(), HOUR(), *DBSUM() becomes DSUM(), ;Missing and possibly useful features/functions needed for ignition to have better support of Excel files There is no Merge and Join Text over many cells, no protect and/or freeze row or columns or books but can LOCK sheets, no define bunch of cells as a name, Macros (Arexx?), conditional formatting, no Solver, no Goal Seek, no Format Painter, no AutoFill, no AutoSum function button, no pivot tables, (30 argument limit applies to Excel) *HLOOKUP(), VLOOKUP(), [http://production-scheduling.com/excel-index-function-most-useful/ INDEX(), MATCH()], CHOOSE(), TEXT(), *TRIM(), FIND(), SUBSTITUTE(), CONCATENATE() or &, PROPER(), REPT(), *[https://acingexcel.com/excel-sumproduct-function/ SUMPRODUCT()], ROUND(), ROUNDUP(), *ROUNDDOWN(), COUNT(), COUNTA(), SUMIF(), COUNTIF(), COUNTBLANK(), TRUNC(), *PMT(), PV(), FV(), POWER(), SQRT(), MODE(), TRUE, FALSE, *MODE(), LARGE(), SMALL(), RANK(), STDEV(), *DCOUNT(), DCOUNTA(), WEEKDAY(), ;Excel Keyboard [http://dmcritchie.mvps.org/excel/shortx2k.htm shortcuts needed to aid usability in Ignition] <pre> Ctrl Z - Undo Ctrl D - Fill Down Ctrl R - Fill right Ctrl F - Find Ctrl H - Replace Ctrl 1 - Formatting of Cells CTRL SHIFT ~ Apply General Formatting ie a number Ctrl ; - Todays Date F2 - Edit cell F4 - toggle cell absolute / relative cell references </pre> ====Document Scanning - Scandal==== Scanner usually needs to be connected via a USB port and not via a hub or extension lead. Check in Trident Prefs -> Devices that the USB Scanner is not bound to anything (e.g. Bindings None) If not found then reboot the computer and recheck. Start Scandal, choose Settings from Menu strip at top of screen and in Scanner Driver choose the ?#.device of the scanner (e.g. epson2.device). The next two boxes - leave empty as they are for morphos SCSI use only or put ata.device (use the selection option in bigger box below) and Unit as 0 this is needed for gt68xx * gt68xx - no editing needed in s/gt68xx.conf but needs a firmware file that corresponds to the scanner [http://www.meier-geinitz.de/sane/gt68xx-backend/ gt68xx firmwares] in sys:s/gt68xx. * epson2 - Need to edit the file epson2.conf in sys/s that corresponds to the scanner being used '''Save''' the settings but do not press the Use button (aros freezes) Back to the Picture Scan window and the right-hand sections. Click on the '''Information''' tab and press Connect button and the scanner should now be detected. Go next to the '''Scanner''' tab next to Information Tab should have Color, Black and White, etc. and dpi settings now. Selecting an option Color, B/W etc. can cause dpi settings corruption (especially if the settings are in one line) so set '''dpi first'''. Make sure if Preview is set or not. In the '''Scan''' Tab, press Scan and the scanner will do its duty. Be aware that nothing is saved to disk yet. In the Save tab, change format JPEG, PNG or IFF DEEP. Tick incremental and base filename if necessary and then click the Save button. The image will now be saved to permanent storage. The driver ignores a device if it is already bond to another USB class, rejects it from being usable. However, open Trident prefs, select your device and use the right mouse button to open. Select "NONE" to prevent poseidon from touching the device. Now save settings. It should always work now. [[#top|...to the top]] ===Emulators=== ==== Amiberry ==== ==== Amiga Emu - Janus UAE ==== With Amibridge, AROS attempts to make the UAE emulator seem embedded within but it still is acting as an app There is no dynarec m68k for each hardware that Aros supports or direct patching of motorola calls to AROS hardware accelerated ones unless the emulator has that included Try starting Janus with a priority of -1 like this little script: <pre> cd sys:system/AmiBridge/emulator changetaskpri -1 run janus-uae -f my_uaerc.config >nil: cd sys:prefs endcli </pre> This stops Janus hogging all the CPU time. ===Miscellaneous=== ====Screensaver Blanker==== Most blankers on the amiga (i.e. aros) run as commodities (they are in the tools/commodities drawer). Double click on blanker. Control is with an app called Exchange, which you need to run first (double click on app) or run QUIET sys:tools/commodities/Exchange >NIL: but subsequently can use (Cntrl Alt h). Icon tool types (may be broken) or command line options <pre> seconds=number </pre> Once the timing is right then add the following to s:icaros-sequence or s:user-startup e.g. for 5 minutes run QUIET sys:tools/commodities/Blanker seconds=300 >NIL: *[http://archives.aros-exec.org/index.php?function=showfile&file=graphics/screenblanker/gblanker.i386-aros.zip Garshneblanker] can make Aros unstable or slow. Certain blankers crashes in Icaros 2.0.x like Dragon, Executor. *[ Acuario AROS version], the aquarium screen saver. Startup: extras:acuariofv-aros/acuario Kill: c:break name=extras:acuariofv-aros/acuario Managed to start Acuario by the Executor blanker. <pre> cx_priority= cx_popkey= ie CX_POPKEY="Shift F1" cx_popup=Yes or No </pre> <pre> Qualifier String Input Event Class ---------------- ----------------- "lshift" IEQUALIFIER_LSHIFT "rshift" IEQUALIFIER_RSHIFT "capslock" IEQUALIFIER_CAPSLOCK "control" IEQUALIFIER_CONTROL "lalt" IEQUALIFIER_LALT "ralt" IEQUALIFIER_RALT "lcommand" IEQUALIFIER_LCOMMAND "rcommand" IEQUALIFIER_RCOMMAND "numericpad" IEQUALIFIER_NUMERICPAD "repeat" IEQUALIFIER_REPEAT "midbutton" IEQUALIFIER_MIDBUTTON "rbutton" IEQUALIFIER_RBUTTON "leftbutton" IEQUALIFIER_LEFTBUTTON "relativemouse" IEQUALIFIER_RELATIVEMOUSE </pre> <pre> Synonym Synonym String Identifier ------- ---------- "shift" IXSYM_SHIFT /* look for either shift key */ "caps" IXSYM_CAPS /* look for either shift key or capslock */ "alt" IXSYM_ALT /* look for either alt key */ Highmap is one of the following strings: "space", "backspace", "tab", "enter", "return", "esc", "del", "up", "down", "right", "left", "f1", "f2", "f3", "f4", "f5", "f6", "f7", "f8", "f9", "f10", "help". </pre> [[#top|...to the top]] ==== World Construction Set WCS (Version 2.031) ==== WCS is a fractal landscape software such as Scenery Animator, Vista Pro and Panorama. Open sourced February 2022, World Construction Set [https://3dnature.com/downloads/legacy-software/ legally and for free] and [https://github.com/AlphaPixel/3DNature c source]. Announced August 1994 this version dates from April 1996 developed by Gary R. Huber and Chris "Xenon" Hanson" from Questar <pre> Assign "WCSProjects:" "Volume:Dir/Dir/WCSProjects" Assign "WCSFrames:" "Volume:Dir/Dir/WCSFrames" </pre> <pre> Load projects .proj by accessing pull down menu Project -> Open then click on CanyonSunset.proj OK to changing .par file and enlarge Status Log window to show what is happening Render by pull down menu Modules -> Render with End equal 1 not 300 then click bottom middle button Render </pre> [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxQDmf1ZWG0 Youtube walkthrough of above], [], [], Also try working with the already built file ColoDemo - Then open with the drop-down menu: Project/Open, then WCSProject:ColoDemo.proj Which allows you to use altimetric DEM files already included and Loading scene parameters from ColoDemo.par Once this is done, save everything with a new name to start working exclusively on your project. Then drop-down menu and select Save As ("NewName".proj name), then drop-down menu to open parameter and select Save All ( .par name) After launching the software, there is a the Module Control Panel composed of five icons. It is a dock type shortcut of the first few functions of the drop-down menu *Database - Load (#?.proj), Append, Create, Edit, Save, Dir List (of WCSProject drawer), *Data Ops - Extract / Convert Interp DEM, Import DLG, DXF, WDB and export LW map 3d formats *Map View - Database file Loader leading to Map View Control with option to the Database Editor *Parameters - Editor for Motion, Color, Ecosystem, Clouds, Waves, management of altimeter files DEM, sclock settings etc *Render - rendering terrain These are more in the pull down menu but not in the dock *Motion Editor *Color Editor *Ecosys Editor Simple minimal workflow *Load database (1st icon - 1st) *Set parameters and save .par file (4th icon) *Render scene (5th icon) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbTwwR2qcc4 Youtube], [], <pre> .proj new project name which creates a drawer of additional files .binary array, ascii array .xyz , z buffer, DTED .dt0, vista 1990s dem, iff conversion .Obj with .elev, .frd with .hdr maps, - digital elevation model (DEM) is a 3D representation of elevation data in various formats USGS 7.5MinDEM, .par </pre> Since for the time being no project is loaded, a query window indicates a procedural error when clicking on the rendering icon (right end of the bar). The menu is quite traditional; it varies according to the activity of the windows. To display any altimetric file in the "Mapview" (third icon of the panel), There are three possibilities: * Loading of a demonstration project. * The import of a DEM file, followed by texturing and packaging from the "Database-Editor" and the "Color-Editor". * The creation of an altimetric file in WCS format, then texturing. The altimeter file editing (display in the menu) is only made possible if the "Mapview" window is active. The software is made up of many windows and won't be able to describe them all. Know that "Color-Editor" and the "Data-Editor" comprise sufficient functions for obtaining an almost real rendering quality. You have the possibility of inserting vector objects in the "Data-Editor" (creation of roads, railways, etc.) The Map View (MapView) window *Database - Objects and Topos *View - Align, Center, Zoom, Pan, Move *Draw - Maps and distance *Object - Find, highlight, add points, conform topo, duplicate *Motion - Camera, Focus, path, elevation *Windows - DEM designer, Cloud (.cld) and wave (.wve) editor, You will notice that by selecting this window and simply moving the pointer to various points on the map you will see latitude and longitude values ​​change, along with the height. Drop-down menu and Modules, then select MapView and change the width of the window with the map to arrange it in the best way on the screen. With the Auto button the center. Window that then displays the contents of my DEM file, in this case the Grand Canyon. MapView allows you to observe the shape of the landscape from above ZOOM button Press the Zoom button and then with the pointer position on a point on the map, press the left mouse button and then move to the opposite corner to circumscribe the chosen area and press the left mouse button again, then we will see the enlarged area selected on the map. Would add that there is a box next to the Zoom button that allows the direct insertion of a value which, the larger it is, the smaller the magnification and the smaller the value, the stronger the magnification. At each numerical change you will need to press the DRAW button to update the view. PAN button Under Zoom you will find the PAN button which allows you to move the map at will in all directions by the amount you want. This is done by drawing a line in one direction, then press PAN and point to an area on the map with the pointer and press the left mouse button. At this point, leave it and move the pointer in one direction by drawing a line and press the left mouse button again to trigger the movement of the map on the screen (origin and end points). Do some experiments and then use the Auto button immediately below to recenter everything. There are parameters such as TOPO, VEC to be left checked and immediately below one that allows different views of the map with the Style command (Single, Multi, Surface, Emboss, Slope, Contour), each with its own particularities to highlight different details. Now you have the first basics to manage your project visually on the map. Close the MapView window and go further... Let's start working on ECOSYSTEMS If we select Emboss from the MapView Style command we will have a clear idea of ​​how the landscape appears, realizing that it is a predominantly desert region of our planet. Therefore we will begin to act on any vegetation present and the appearance of the landscape. With WCS we will begin to break down the elements of the landscape by assigning defined characteristics. It will be necessary to determine the classes of the ecosystem (Class) with parameters of Elevation Line (maximum altitude), Relative Elevation (arrangement on basins or convexities with respectively positive or negative parameters), Min Slope and Max Slope (slope). WCS offers the possibility of making ecosystems coexist on the same terrain with the UnderEco function, by setting a Density value. Ecosys Ecosystem Editor Let's open it from Modules, then Ecosys Editor. In the left pane you will find the list of ecosystems referring to the files present in our project. It will be necessary to clean up that box to leave only the Water and Snow landscapes and a few other predefined ones. We can do this by selecting the items and pressing the Remove button (be careful not for all elements the button is activated, therefore they cannot all be eliminated). Once this is done we can start adding new ecosystems. Scroll through the various Unused and as soon as the Name item at the top is activated allowing you to write, type the name of your ecosystem, adding the necessary parameters. <pre> Ecosystem1: Name: RockBase Class: Rock Density: 80 MinSlope: 15 UnderEco: Terrain Ecosystem2: Name: RockIncl Clss: Rock Density: 80 MinSlope: 30 UnderEco: Terrain Ecosystem3: Name: Grass Class Low Veg Density: 50 Height: 1 Elev Line : 1500 Rel El Eff: 5 Max Slope: 10 – Min Slope: 0 UnderEco: Terrain Ecosistema4: Name: Shrubs Class: Low Veg Density: 40 Height: 8 Elev Line: 3000 Rel El Eff: -2 Max Slope: 20 Min Slope : 5 UnderEco: Terrain Ecosistema5: Name: Terrain Class: Ground Density: 100 UnderEco: Terrain </pre> Now we need to identify an intermediate ecosystem that guarantees a smooth transition between all, therefore we select as Understory Ecosystem the one called Terrain in all ecosystems, except Snow and Water . Now we need to 'emerge' the Colorado River in the Canyon and we can do this by raising the sea level to 900 (Sea Level) in the Ecosystem called Water. Please note that the order of the ecosystem list gives priority to those that come after. So our list must have the following order: Water, Snow, Shrubs, RockIncl, RockBase, Terrain. It is possible to carry out all movements with the Swap button at the bottom. To put order you can also press Short List. Press Keep to confirm all the work done so far with Ecosystem Editor. Remember every now and then to save both the Project 'Modules/Save' and 'Parameter/Save All' EcoModels are made up of .etp .fgp .iff8 for each model Color Editor Now it's time to define the colors of our scene and we can do this by going to Modules and then Color Editor. In the list we focus on our ecosystems, created first. Let's go to the bottom of the list and select the first white space, assigning the name 'empty1', with a color we like and then we will find this element again in other environments... It could serve as an example for other situations! So we move to 'grass' which already exists and assign the following colors: R 60 G 70 B50 <pre> 'shrubs': R 60 G 80 B 30 'RockIncl' R 110 G 65 B 60 'RockBase' R 110 G 80 B 80 ' Terrain' R 150 G 30 B 30 <pre> Now we can work on pre-existing colors <pre> 'SunLight' R 150 G 130 B 130 'Haze and Fog' R 190 G 170 B 170 'Horizon' R 209 G 185 B 190 'Zenith' R 140 G 150 B 200 'Water' R 90 G 125 B 170 </pre> Ambient R 0 G 0 B 0 So don't forget to close Color Editor by pressing Keep. Go once again to Ecosystem Editor and assign the corresponding color to each environment by selecting it using the Ecosystem Color button. Press it several times until the correct one appears. Then save the project and parameters again, as done previously. Motion Editor Now it's time to take care of the framing, so let's go to Modules and then to Motion Editor. An extremely feature-rich window will open. Following is the list of parameters regarding the Camera, position and other characteristics: <pre> -Camera Altitude: 7.0 -Camera Latitude: 36.075 -Camera Longitude: 112.133 -Focus Attitude: -2.0 -Focus Latitude: 36.275 -Focus Longitude: 112.386 -Camera : 512 → rendering window -Camera Y: 384 → rendering window -View Arc: 80 → View width in degrees -Sun Longitude: 172 -Sun Latitude: -0.9 -Haze Start: 3.8 -Haze Range: 78, 5 </pre> As soon as the values ​​shown in the relevant sliders have been modified, we will be ready to open the CamView window to observe the wireframe preview. Let's not consider all the controls that will appear. Well from the Motion Editor if you have selected Camera Altitude and open the CamView panel, you can change the height of the camera by holding down the right mouse button and moving the mouse up and down. To update the view, press the Terrain button in the adjacent window. As soon as you are convinced of the position, confirm again with Keep. You can carry out the same work with the other functions of the camera, such as Focus Altitude... Let's now see the next positioning step on the Camera map, but let's leave the CamView preview window open while we go to Modules to open the window at the same time MapView. We will thus be able to take advantage of the view from the other together with a subjective one. From the MapView window, select with the left mouse button and while it is pressed, move the Camera as desired. To update the subjective preview, always click on Terrain. While with the same procedure you can intervene on the direction of the camera lens, by selecting the cross and with the left button pressed you can choose the desired view. So with the pressure of Terrain I update the Preview. Possibly can enlarge or reduce the Map View using the Zoom button, for greater precision. Also write that the circle around the cameras indicates the beginning of the haze, there are two types (haze and fog) linked to the altitude. Would also add that the camera height is editable through the Motion Editor panel. The sun Let's see that changing the position of the sun from the Motion Editor. Press the SUN button at the bottom right and set the time and the date. Longitude and latitude are automatically obtained by the program. Always open the View Arc command from the Motion Editor panel, an item present in the Parameter List box. Once again confirm everything with Keep and then save again. Animation The animation part is not left-back and also occupies a window. The settings possibilities are enormous. A time line with dragging functions ("slide", "drag"...) comparable to that of LightWave completes this window. A small window is available for positioning the stars as a function of a date, in order to vary the seasons and their various events (and yes...). At the bottom of the "Motion-Editor", a "cam-view" function will give you access to a control panel. Different preview modes are possible. The rendering is also accessible through a window. No less than nine pages compose it. At this level, you will be able to determine the backup name of your images ("path"), the type of texture to be calculated, the resolution of the images, activate or deactivate functions such as the depth buffer ("zbuffer"), the blur, the background image, etc. Once all these parameters have been set, all you have to do is click on the "Render" button. For rendering go to Modules and then Render. Select the resolution, then under IMA select the name of the image. Move to FRA and indicate the level of fractal detail which of 4 is quite good. Then Keep to confirm and then reopen the window, pressing Render you will see the result. The image will be opened with any viewing program. Strengths: * Multi-window. * Quality of rendering. * Accuracy. * Opening, preview and rendering on CyberGraphX screen. * Extract / Convert Interp DEM, Import DLG, DXF, WDB and export LW map 3d formats * The "zbuffer" function. Weaknesses: * No OpenGL management * Calculation time. * No network computing tool. ====Writing CD / DVD - Frying Pan==== Can be backup DVDs (4GB ISO size limit due to use of FileInfoBlock), create audio cds from mp3's, and put .iso files on discs If using for the first time - click Drive button and Device set to ata.device and unit to 0 (zero) Click Tracks Button - Drive 1 - Create New Disc or Import Existing Disc Image (iso bin/cue etc.) - Session File open cue file If you're making a data cd, with files and drawers from your hard drive, you should be using the ISO Builder.. which is the MUI page on the left. ("Data/Audio Tracks" is on the right). You should use the "Data/Audio tracks" page if you want to create music cds with AIFF/WAV/MP3 files, or if you download an .iso file, and you want to put it on a cd. Click WRITE Button - set write speed - click on long Write button Examples Easiest way would be to burn a DATA CD, simply go to "Tracks" page "ISO Builder" and "ADD" everything you need to burn. On the "Write" page i have "Masterize Disc (DAO)", "Close Disc" and "Eject after Write" set. One must not "Blank disc before write" if one uses a CDR AUDIO CD from MP3's are as easy but tricky to deal with. FP only understands one MP3 format, Layer II, everything else will just create empty tracks Burning bootable CD's works only with .iso files. Go to "Tracks" page and "Data/Audio Tracks" and add the .iso ====odf==== Every ODF file is a collection of several subdocuments within a package (ZIP file), each of which stores part of the complete document. * content.xml – Document content and automatic styles used in the content. * styles.xml – Styles used in the document content and automatic styles used in the styles themselves. * meta.xml – Document meta information, such as the author or the time of the last save action. * settings.xml – Application-specific settings, such as the window size or printer information. To read document follow these steps: * Extracting .ods file. * Getting content.xml file (which contains sheets data). * Creating XmlDocument object from content.xml file. * Creating DataSet (that represent Spreadsheet file). * With XmlDocument select “table:table” elements, and then create adequate DataTables. * Parse child’s of “table:table” element and fill DataTables with those data. * At the end, return DataSet and show it in application’s interface. To write document follow these steps: * Extracting template.ods file (.ods file that we use as template). * Getting content.xml file. * Creating XmlDocument object from content.xml file. * Erasing all “table:table” elements from the content.xml file. * Reading data from our DataSet and composing adequate “table:table” elements. * Adding “table:table” elements to content.xml file. * Zipping that file as new .ods file. XLS file format The XLS file format contains streams, substreams, and records. These sheet substreams include worksheets, macro sheets, chart sheets, dialog sheets, and VBA module sheets. All the records in an XLS document start with a 2-byte unsigned integer to specify Record Type (rt), and another for Count of Bytes (cb). A record cannot exceed 8224 bytes. If larger than the rest is stored in one or more continue records. * Workbook stream **Globals substream ***BoundSheet8 record - info for Worksheet substream i.e. name, location, type, and visibility. (4bytes the lbPlyPos FilePointer, specifies the position in the Workbook stream where the sheet substream starts) **Worksheet substream (sheet) - Cell Table - Row record - Cells (2byte=row 2byte=column 2byte=XF format) ***Blank cell record ***RK cell record 32-bit number. ***BoolErr cell record (2-byte Bes structure that may be either a Boolean value or an error code) ***Number cell record (64-bit floating-point number) ***LabelSst cell record (4-byte integer that specifies a string in the Shared Strings Table (SST). Specifically, the integer corresponds to the array index in the RGB field of the SST) ***Formula cell record (FormulaValue structure in the 8 bytes that follow the cell structure. The next 6 bytes can be ignored, and the rest of the record is a CellParsedFormula structure that contains the formula itself) ***MulBlank record (first 2 bytes give the row, and the next 2 bytes give the column that the series of blanks starts at. Next, a variable length array of cell structures follows to store formatting information, and the last 2 bytes show what column the series of blanks ends on) ***MulRK record ***Shared String Table (SST) contains all of the string values in the workbook. ACCRINT(), ACCRINTM(), AMORDEGRC(), AMORLINC(), COUPDAYBS(), COUPDAYS(), COUPDAYSNC(), COUPNCD(), COUPNUM(), COUPPCD(), CUMIPMT(), CUMPRINC(), DB(), DDB(), DISC(), DOLLARDE(), DOLLARFR(), DURATION(), EFFECT(), FV(), FVSCHEDULE(), INTRATE(), IPMT(), IRR(), ISPMT(), MDURATION(), MIRR(), NOMINAL(), NPER(), NPV(), ODDFPRICE(), ODDFYIELD(), ODDLPRICE(), ODDLYIELD(), PMT(), PPMT(), PRICE(), PRICEDISC(), PRICEMAT(), PV(), RATE(), RECEIVED(), SLN(), SYD(), TBILLEQ(), TBILLPRICE(), TBILLYIELD(), VDB(), XIRR(), XNPV(), YIELD(), YIELDDISC(), YIELDMAT(), <pre> </pre> <pre> </pre> <pre> </pre> {{BookCat}} kibltxxq6v4woqosqodxia6fh8yxkuy 4671620 4671614 2026-09-21T15:04:19Z Jeff1138 301139 4671620 wikitext text/x-wiki ==Introduction== [[#Graphical Image Editing Art]] [[#Office Application]] [[#Audio]] [[#Misc Application]] [[#Games & Emulation]] [[#Application Guides]] [[#top|...to the top]] [[#top|...to the top]] Most apps can be opened on the Workbench (aka publicscreen pubscreen) which is the default display option but can offer a custom one set to your configurations (aka custom screen mode promotion). These custom ones tend to stack so the possible use of A-M/A-N method of switching between full screens and the ability to pull down screens as well If you are interested in creating or porting new software, see [http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Aros/Developer/Docs here] {| class="wikitable sortable" |- !width:30%;|Internet Applications !width:10%;|AROS(x86) !width:10%;|Commodore-Amiga OS 3.1 (68k) !width:10%;|Hyperion OS4(PPC) !width:10%;|MorphOS(PPC) |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Web Online Browser [], |<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=network/browser Amelinium], Odyssey 2.0, [https://www.arosworld.org/infusions/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=1175&highlight=odyssey&rowstart=100 Odyssey 3.0], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://juen.in/ Amelinium], [https://blog.alb42.de/programs/amifox/ amifox] with [https://github.com/alb42/wrp wrp server], IBrowse*, [https://github.com/zapek/Voyager Voyager], [https://github.com/amigazen/aweb3/ AWeb 3.6 src], [https://github.com/matjam/aweb AWeb Src], [http://aminet.net/package/comm/www/NetSurf-m68k-sources Netsurf], [], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[ Odyssey OWB], [ Timberwolf (Firefox port 2011)], [http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?forum=32&topic_id=32847 OWB-mui], [http://strohmayer.org/owb/ OWB-Reaction], IBrowse*, [http://os4depot.net/index.php?function=showfile&file=network/browser/aweb.lha AWeb], Voyager, [http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=network/browser Netsurf], |<!--MorphOS-->Wayfarer, [http://fabportnawak.free.fr/owb/ Odyssey OWB], [ Netsurf], IBrowse*, AWeb, [], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->YouTube, Dailymotion website downloading videos audio [https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp yt-dlp], [https://clipgrab.org/ clipgrab], |<!--AROS-->[], [https://blog.alb42.de/amitube/ Amitube], |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://blog.alb42.de/amitube/ Amitube], [ smtube], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[https://blog.alb42.de/amitube/ Amitube], getVideo, Tubexx, [https://github.com/walkero-gr/aiostreams aiostreams], |<!--MorphOS-->[ ytsearch], [https://blog.alb42.de/amitube/ Amitube], [http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=5 getVideo], Tubexx |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Old style E-mailing SMTP POP3 IMAP based |<!--AROS-->Emailinium, [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=network/email SimpleMail], [http://sourceforge.net/projects/simplemail/files/ src], [https://github.com/jens-maus/yam YAM] |<!--Amiga OS-->Emailinium, [http://sourceforge.net/projects/simplemail/files/ SimpleMail], [https://github.com/jens-maus/yam YAM] |<!--AmigaOS4-->SimpleMail, YAM, |<!--MorphOS--> SimpleMail, YAM |- |<!--Sub Menu-->IRC, ICB, |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=network/chat WookieChat], [https://sourceforge.net/projects/wookiechat/ Wookiechat src], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=network/chat AiRcOS], Jabberwocky, |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://github.com/charabaruk/WookieChat Wookiechat], AmIRC |<!--AmigaOS4-->Wookiechat |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=5 Wookiechat], [http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=5 AmIRC], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Instant Messaging IM like [https://github.com/BlitterStudio/amidon Hollywood lang based Mastodon client], BlueSky AT protocol, Facebook(TM), Twitter X (TM), Bitlbee IRC Gateway and others |<!--AROS-->[https://github.com/kaffeine1/telegram-amiga telegram-amiga], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=network/chat jabberwocky], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://amitwitter.sourceforge.net/ AmiTwitter], CLIMM, SabreMSN, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/ajabberwocky/ jabberwocky], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://amitwitter.sourceforge.net/ AmiTwitter], SabreMSN, |<!--MorphOS-->[http://amitwitter.sourceforge.net/ AmiTwitter], [http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=5 PolyglotNG], SabreMSN, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Torrents |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=network/p2p ArTorr], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->CTorrent, Transmission |<!--MorphOS-->MLDonkey, Beehive, [http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=5 Transmission], CTorrent, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->FTP |<!--AROS-->[https://github.com/BlitterStudio/dopus5 Dopus5 Magellan], MarranoFTP, [https://aminet.net/package/comm/tcp/wput-0.3.4c.i386-aros wput i386 c src] |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://github.com/BlitterStudio/dopus5 Dopus5 Magellan], [http://aminet.net/package/comm/tcp/AmiFTP AmiFTP], AmiTradeCenter, ncFTP, [https://aminet.net/package/comm/tcp/sana2-tftpclient sana2 tftpclient c src] |<!--AmigaOS4-->[https://github.com/BlitterStudio/dopus5 Dopus5 Magellan], |<!--MorphOS-->[https://github.com/BlitterStudio/dopus5 Dopus5 Magellan], [http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=5 Pftp], [http://aminet.net/package/comm/tcp/AmiFTP-1.935-OS4 AmiFTP], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->WYSIWYG Web Site Editor |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Internet Radio Streaming Audio [http://www.gnu.org/software/gnump3d/ gnump3d], [http://www.icecast.org/ Icecast2] Server (Broadcast) and Client (Listen), [ mpd], [http://darkice.sourceforge.net/ DarkIce], [http://www.dyne.org/software/muse/ Muse], |<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=audio/misc], Mplayer (Icecast Client only), |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://github.com/sandlbn/TuneFinder TuneFinder C Src], [https://github.com/sandlbn/TuneFinderMUI TuneFinderMUI], [http://amigazeux.net/anr/ AmiNetRadio], [https://github.com/boingball/MintAMP MintAMP], [], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.tunenet.co.uk/ Tunenet], |<!--MorphOS-->Mplayer, AmiNetRadio, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->VoIP (Voice over IP) with SIP Client (Session Initiation Protocol) or Asterisk IAX2 Clients Softphone (skype like) |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->AmiPhone with Speak Freely, |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Weather Forecast |<!--AROS-->[http://sourceforge.net/projects/zunetools/files/ WeatherBar], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/workbench AWeather], [] |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://amigazeux.net/wetter/ Wetter], [https://github.com/emartisoft/AmiWeatherForecasts AmiWeatherForecasts src], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://os4depot.net/?function=showfile&file=utility/workbench/flipclock.lha FlipClock], |<!--MorphOS-->[http://amigazeux.net/wetter/ Wetter], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Street Road Maps Route Planning GPS Tracking |<!--AROS-->[https://blog.alb42.de/programs/muimapparium/ MuiMapparium] [https://build.alb42.de/ Build of MuiMapp versions], |<!--Amiga OS-->AmiAtlas*, UKRoutePlus*, [http://blog.alb42.de/ AmOSM], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->[http://blog.alb42.de/programs/mapparium/ Mapparium], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Clock and Date setting from the internet (either ntp or websites) [https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/ World Clock], [http://www.time.gov/ NIST], [], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=network/misc ntpsync], [https://archives.arosworld.org/?function=showfile&file=utility/workbench/amitimekeeper.i386-aros.lha amitimekeeper with c src], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->ntpsync, [http://aminet.net/package/util/cdity/AmiTimeKeeper amitimekeeper], [http://aminet.net/comm/misc/netclock netclock], [https://aminet.net/package/comm/net/sntp sntp], [http://aminet.net/package/util/time/ScreenTime ScreenTime], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Newsgroups |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://newscoaster.sourceforge.net/ Newscoaster], [https://github.com/jens-maus/newsrog NewsRog], [ WorldNews], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->RSS |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://github.com/Team-Boingo/AmiRSS AmiRSS src] |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->AI |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://github.com/murinsel/AmigaAI Claude], [https://github.com/geekychris/amiga_mcp AI on host machine], [], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->BBS |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |} <nowiki>*</nowiki> Commercial product. ==Graphical Image Editing Art== {| class="wikitable sortable" |- !width:30%;|Image Editing !width:10%;|AROS(x86) !width:10%;|Commodore-Amiga OS 3.1(68k) !width:10%;|Hyperion OS4(PPC) !width:10%;|MorphOS(PPC) |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Pixel Raster Artwork [https://github.com/LibreSprite/LibreSprite LibreSprite based on GPL aseprite], [https://github.com/abetusk/hsvhero hsvhero], [], |<!--AROS-->[https://sourceforge.net/projects/zunetools/files/ZunePaint/ ZunePaint], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/edit LunaPaint], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/edit GrafX2], [ LodePaint needs OpenGL], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://www.amigaforever.com/classic/download.html PPaint], GrafX2, [https://github.com/grovdata/Amiga_Sources/blob/master/software.md DeluxePaint], [http://www.amiforce.de/perfectpaint/perfectpaint.php PerfectPaint], Zoetrope, Brilliance2*, |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/edit LodePaint], GrafX2, |<!--MorphOS-->Sketch, Pixel*, GrafX2, [http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=3 LunaPaint] |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Image viewing |<!--AROS-->[http://sourceforge.net/projects/zunetools/files/ ZuneView], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/viewer LookHere], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/viewer LoView], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/viewer PicShow] , [http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=31400&forum=32&start=80&viewmode=flat&order=0#583458 Picture Album], |<!--Amiga OS-->PicShow, PicView, Photoalbum, |<!--AmigaOS4-->WarpView, PicShow, flPhoto, Thumbs, [http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=31400&forum=32&start=80&viewmode=flat&order=0#583458 Picture Album], |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=3 ShowGirls], [http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=31400&forum=32&start=80&viewmode=flat&order=0#583458 Picture Album] |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Photography retouching / Image Manipulation like Photoshop(tm) |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/edit RNOEffects], |<!--Amiga OS-->[ Tecsoft Video Paint aka TVPaint], Photogenics*, ArtEffect*, ImageFX*, XiPaint, fxPaint, ImageMasterRT, Opalpaint, |<!--AmigaOS4-->WarpView, flPhoto, [http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/edit Photocrop] |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=3 ShowGirls], ImageFX*, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Manage RAW picture folder galleries like Darktable, RAWtherapy, etc |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Graphic Format Converter - ICC profile support sRGB, Adobe RGB, XYZ and linear RGB |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->GraphicsConverter, ImageStudio, [http://www.coplabs.org/artpro.html ArtPro] |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Thumbnail Generator [], |<!--AROS-->[http://sourceforge.net/projects/zunetools/files/ ZuneView], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/shell Thumbnail Generator] |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Icon Editor |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/iconedit Archives], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/workbench Icon Toolbox], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/iconedit IconEditor] |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->2D Pixel Art Animation |<!--AROS-->Lunapaint |<!--Amiga OS-->PPaint, AnimatED, Scala*, GoldDisk MovieSetter*, Walt Disney's Animation Studio*, ProDAD*, [https://github.com/historicalsource/DeluxePaint DeluxePaint src], Brilliance |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=3 Titler] |- |<!--Sub Menu-->2D SVG based MovieSetter type |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->MovieSetter*, Fantavision* |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Morphing |<!--AROS-->[ GLMorph] |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->2D Cad (qcad->LibreCAD, etc.) |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->Xcad, MaxonCAD |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->3D Cad like FreeCad, BRL-CAD, OpenSCAD, AvoCADo, etc. using dxf, obj (vertices), blend, |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->XCad3d*, DynaCADD*, [https://aminet.net/package/gfx/3d/Cycas178_EN Cycas]*, |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->3D Model Rendering of glft (json) gbl (png jpg), usdz (USD files with materials, textures, and animations), FBX Filmbox is a proprietary Autodesk format, |<!--AROS-->POV-Ray |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://www.discreetfx.com./amigaproducts.html CINEMA 4D]*, POV-Ray, Lightwave3D*, Real3D*, Caligari24*, Reflections/Monzoom*, [https://github.com/privatosan/RayStorm Raystorm src], Tornado 3D, [https://github.com/AlphaPixel/Eric-Graham-1987-Juggler-Raytracer-1.0 Eric-Graham-1987-Juggler-Raytracer-1.0] |<!--AmigaOS4-->Blender, POV-Ray, Yafray |<!--MorphOS-->Blender, POV-Ray, Yafray |- |<!--Sub Menu-->3D Format Converter [], [], |<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/?function=showfile&file=graphics/convert/ 3doc.i386-aros], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=showfile&file=graphics/convert/ivcon.lha IVCon] |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Screen grabbing display |<!--AROS-->[ Screengrabber], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/misc snapit], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=video/record screen recorder], [] |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Grab graphics music from apps [https://github.com/Malvineous/ripper6 ripper6], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |} <nowiki>*</nowiki> Commercial product. [[#top|...to the top]] ==Office Application== {| class="wikitable sortable" |- !width:30%;|Office !width:10%;|AROS (x86) !width:10%;|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiga_software Commodore-Amiga OS 3.1] (68k) !width:10%;|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AmigaOS_4 Hyperion OS4] (PPC) !width:10%;|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MorphOS MorphOS] (PPC) |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Office Suite |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->[ Softwood Final Office], [ Wordworth Office], [ Digita Office], [ The Works!], [ Europress Mini Office], [], [ Papyrus Office Demo], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->[ Papyrus Office], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Word-processing |<!--AROS-->[https://finalwriter.godaddysites.com/ Final Writer 7*], [https://www.arosworld.org/infusions/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=1995&rowstart=20&pid=12668#post_12668 Slovo], [https://github.com/sodero/MUI-Vim/releases MUI-Vim], [https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=office/wordprocessing Cinnamon Writer], [], |<!--AmigaOS-->[ Softwood FinalCopy II*], Haage AmigaWriter*, Digita WordWorth*, Softwood FinalWriter*, Micro-Systems Excellence 3*, Arnor Protext, Rashumon, [ InterWord], [ KindWords], [WordPerfect], [ New Horizons Flow], [ CygnusEd Pro], [ Micro-systems Scribble], |<!--AmigaOS4-->AbiWord, [ CinnamonWriter], |<!--MorphOS-->[ Cinnamon Writer], [http://www.meta-morphos.org/viewtopic.php?topic=1246&forum=53 scriba], [http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/index.php Papyrus Office], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Spreadsheets |<!--AROS-->[https://blog.alb42.de/programs/leu/ Leu], [https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=office/spreadsheet ], |<!--AmigaOS-->[https://aminet.net/package/biz/spread/ignition-src Ignition Src 1.3], [MaxiPlan 500 Plus], [OXXI Plan/IT v2.0 Speadsheet], [ Superplan], [ Creative Developments TurboCalc], [ ProCalc], [ InterSpread], [Digita DGCalc], [ Gold Disk Advantage], [ Micro-systems Analyze!] |<!--AmigaOS4-->Gnumeric, [https://ignition-amiga.sourceforge.net/ Ignition], |<!--MorphOS-->[ ignition], [http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php Papyrus Office], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Presentations |<!--AROS-->[http://www.hollywoood-mal.com/ Hollywood]*, |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://www.hollywoood-mal.com/ Hollywood]*, [https://github.com/evaneykelen/mediapoint-amiga MediaPoint C and asm], PointRider, Scala*, |<!--Amiga OS4-->[http://www.hollywoood-mal.com/ Hollywood]*, PointRider |<!--MorphOS-->[http://www.hollywoood-mal.com/ Hollywood]*, PointRider |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Databases |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=office/database BeeBase], |<!--Amiga OS-->Precision Superbase 4 Pro*, Arnor Prodata*, [https://sourceforge.net/projects/beebase/ BeeBase], Datastore, FinalData*, AmigaBase, Fiasco, Twist2*, [Digita DGBase], [], |<!--AmigaOS4-->BeeBase, SQLite, |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=6 BeeBase], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->PDF Viewing and editing digital signatures |<!--AROS-->[http://sourceforge.net/projects/arospdf/ ArosPDF via splash], [https://github.com/wattoc/AROS-vpdf vpdf wip], |<!--Amiga OS-->APDF |<!--AmigaOS4-->AmiPDF |<!--MorphOS-->APDF, vPDF, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Note Taking markdown support like Obsidian like, joplin, OneNote, EverNotes, xournalpp, etc |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Study and analyse, collect, organize, annotate, cite, and share |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->PIM Personal Information Manager - Day Diary Planner Calendar App |<!--AROS-->[ ], [ ], [ ], |<!--Amiga OS-->Digita Organiser*, On The Ball, Everyday Organiser, [ Contact Manager], |<!--AmigaOS4-->AOrganiser, |<!--MorphOS-->[http://polymere.free.fr/orga_en.html PolyOrga], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Accounting |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=office/misc ETB], LoanCalc, [ ], [ ], [ ], |[ Digita Home Accounts2], Accountant, Small Business Accounts, Account Master, [ Amigabok], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Project Management Research |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->SuperGantt, SuperPlan, |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Desktop |<!--AROS-->Wanderer, Scalos, Workbook, DOpus5, |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->[https://github.com/zapek/Ambient Ambient Src] |- |<!--Sub Menu-->System Wide Search |<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/filetool Finder], [], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->System Wide Dictionary - multilingual [http://sourceforge.net/projects/babiloo/ Babiloo], [http://code.google.com/p/stardict-3/ StarDict], |<!--AROS-->[ ], |<!--AmigaOS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->System wide Thesaurus - multi lingual |<!--AROS-->[ ], |Kuma K-Roget*, |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Sticky Desktop Notes (post it type) |<!--AROS-->[http://aminet.net/package/util/wb/amimemos.i386-aros AmiMemos], [https://aminet.net/package/util/wb/amimemos.src-aros AmiMemos Src], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://aminet.net/package/util/wb/StickIt-2.00 StickIt v2], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->DTP Desktop Publishing |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/edit RNOPublisher], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://pagestream.org/ Pagestream]*, Professional Pro Page*, Saxon Publisher, Pagesetter, PenPal, |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://pagestream.org/ Pagestream]* |<!--MorphOS-->[http://pagestream.org/ Pagestream]* |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Printing |<!--AROS-->Postscript 3 laser printers, [https://github.com/bohunamiga/MintPRINT MintPRINT AirPrint IPP], [ Ghostscript], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://github.com/boingball/MintPRINT MintPRINT IPP], [https://github.com/Andiweli/AmiAirprint AmiAirprint], [http://www.irseesoft.de/tp_what.htm TurboPrint]*, [ GutenPrint], [https://aminet.net/package/comm/tcp/NetPrinter NetPrinter LPR], [], [], |<!--AmigaOS4-->(some native drivers), |<!--MorphOS-->early TurboPrint included, [https://aminet.net/package/comm/tcp/NetPrinter NetPrinter LPR], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Scanning |<!--AROS-->[ SCANdal], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->FxScan*, ScanQuix*, [https://github.com/boingball/MintSCAN MintSCAN], |<!--AmigaOS4-->SCANdal (Sane) |<!--MorphOS-->SCANdal |- |<!--Sub Menu-->OCR |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/convert gOCR] |<!--AmigaOS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos-files.net/categories/office/text Tesseract] |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Text Editing |<!--AROS-->Jano Editor (already installed as Editor), [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=development/edit EdiSyn], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/text/edit Annotate], [https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=development/edit Vim], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/text/edit FrexxEd] [https://github.com/vidarh/FrexxEd src], [ NoWinEd], |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://aminet.net/package/text/edit/TurboText20 TurboText20 ttx], Annotate, MicroGoldED/CubicIDE*, CygnusED*, Protext*, NoWinED, |<!--AmigaOS4-->Notepad, Annotate, CygnusED*, NoWinED, |<!--MorphOS-->MorphOS ED, NoWinED, GoldED/CubicIDE*, CygnusED*, Annotate, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Office Fonts [http://sourceforge.net/projects/fontforge/files/fontforge-source/ Font Designer] |<!--AROS-->[ ], [ ], |<!--Amiga OS-->TypeSmith*, SaxonScript (GetFont Adobe Type 1), |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Drawing Vector |<!--AROS-->[http://sourceforge.net/projects/amifig/ ZuneFIG previously AmiFIG], [https://github.com/serk118/designworks-aros designworks aros 64bit] |<!--Amiga OS-->Drawstudio*, ProVector*, ArtExpression*, Professional Draw*, AmiFIG, MetaView, [https://gitlab.com/amigasourcecodepreservation/designworks Design Works Src], [], |<!--AmigaOS4-->MindSpace, [http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/edit amifig], |<!--MorphOS-->SteamDraw, [http://aminet.net/package/gfx/edit/amifig amiFIG], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->video conferencing (jitsi) |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->source code hosting |<!--AROS-->Gitlab, |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Remote Desktop (server) |<!--AROS-->[http://sourceforge.net/projects/zunetools/files/VNC_Server ArosVNCServer], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://s.guillard.free.fr/AmiVNC/AmiVNC.htm AmiVNC], [http://dspach.free.fr/amiga/avnc/index.html AVNC] |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://s.guillard.free.fr/AmiVNC/AmiVNC.htm AmiVNC] |MorphVNC, vncserver |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Remote Desktop (client) login and connect to another machine |<!--AROS-->[https://sourceforge.net/projects/zunetools/files/VNC_Client/ ArosVNC], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=network/misc rdesktop], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://twinvnc.free.fr/index.php?menu=01&lang=eng TwinVNC], [http://dspach.free.fr/amiga/vva/index.html VVA], [http://www.hd-zone.com/ RDesktop] |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://twinvnc.free.fr/index.php?menu=01&lang=eng TwinVNC], [http://www.hd-zone.com/ RDesktop] |[http://twinvnc.free.fr/index.php?menu=01&lang=eng TwinVNC], [http://www.hd-zone.com/ RDesktop] |- |<!--Sub Menu-->notifications |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->Ranchero |<!--AmigaOS4-->Ringhio |<!--MorphOS-->MagicBeacon |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Biometric facial logins and fingerprint security features |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |} <nowiki>*</nowiki> Commercial product. [[#top|...to the top]] ==Audio== {| class="wikitable sortable" |- !width:30%;|Audio !width:10%;|AROS(x86) !width:10%;|Commodore-Amiga OS 3.1(68k) !width:10%;|Hyperion OS4(PPC) !width:10%;|MorphOS(PPC) |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Playing playback Audio like MP3, [https://github.com/chrg127/gmplayer NSF], [https://github.com/kode54/lazyusf miniusf .usflib] [https://gitlab.com/kode54/psflib with pfslib], [], [], etc |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=video/play Mplayer], [ HarmonyPlayer hp], [http://www.a500.org/downloads/audio/index.xhtml playcdda] CDs, [ WildMidi Player], [https://bszili.morphos.me/ UADE mod player], [], [ RNOTunes], [ mp3Player], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->AmiNetRadio, AmigaAmp, playOGG, [https://codeberg.org/tygre/amimodradio amimodradio] |<!--AmigaOS4-->TuneNet, SimplePlay, AmigaAmp, TKPlayer |AmiNetRadio, Mplayer, Kaya, AmigaAmp |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Editing Audio |<!--AROS-->[ Audio Evolution 4] |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://sourceforge.net/projects/hd-rec/ HD-Rec Src], [http://www.sonicpulse.de/eng/news.html SoundFX], [ Samplitude], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[https://sourceforge.net/projects/hd-rec/ HD-Rec], AmiSoundED, [http://os4depot.net/?function=showfile&file=audio/record/audioevolution4.lha Audio Evolution 4] |[http://www.hd-rec.de/HD-Rec/index.php?site=home HD-Rec], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Editing Tracker Music |<!--AROS-->[https://github.com/hitchhikr/protrekkr Protrekkr], [ Schism Tracker], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=audio/tracker MilkyTracker], [http://www.hivelytracker.com/ HivelyTracker], [ Radium in AROS already], [http://www.a500.org/downloads/development/index.xhtml libMikMod], |<!--Amiga OS-->MilkyTracker, HivelyTracker, DigiBooster, Octamed SoundStudio, [https://github.com/elindstrom/soundtracker soundtracker], |<!--AmigaOS4-->MilkyTracker, HivelyTracker, GoatTracker |MilkyTracker, GoatTracker, DigiBooster, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Editing Music [], [https://github.com/kmatheussen/camd CAMD] and/or staves and musical notes on manuscript [https://github.com/ratchov/midish midish] midi sequencer |<!--AROS-->[http://bnp.hansfaust.de/ Bars and Pipes], [], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://bnp.hansfaust.de/ Bars'n'Pipes], MusicX* David "Talin" Joiner & Craig Weeks (for Notator-X), Deluxe Music Construction Set DMCS2*, [https://github.com/timoinutilis/midi-sequencer-amigaos Horny c Src] [https://github.com/kas1e/midi-sequencer-amigaos/tree/master/HornyGCC HornyGCC OS4 src] [https://github.com/capehill/midi-sequencer-amigaos Horny OS4 fork src] [https://www.amigans.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?start=0&topic_id=8143&order=ASC&status=&mode=0 OS4 thread], HD-Rec, [https://aminet.net/package/mus/midi/dominatorV1_51 Dominator], [https://github.com/royaltm/Amiga-midiIn Amiga-midiIn], [ Aegis Sonix 2.0] |<!--AmigaOS4-->[https://sourceforge.net/p/hd-rec/code/HEAD/tree/ HD-Rec Src], Rockbeat, [http://bnp.hansfaust.de/download.html Bars'n'Pipes], [https://github.com/gooofy/freeaction Horny OS4 src fork], Audio Evolution 4, |<!--MorphOS-->Bars'n'Pipes, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Sound Sampling |<!--AROS-->[ Advanced AHI Recorder all], [https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=audio/record Audio Evolution 4], [http://www.imica.net/SitePortalPage.aspx?siteid=1&did=162 Quick Record], [https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=audio/misc SOX to get AIFF 16bit files], [https://github.com/aros-development-team/AROS/tree/master/workbench/tools/AHIRecord AHIRecord], |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://aminet.net/package/mus/edit/AudioEvolution3_src Audio Evolution 3 c src], [ Samplitude]*, Audiomaster IV*, |<!--AmigaOS4-->[https://github.com/timoinutilis/phonolith-amigaos phonolith c src], HD-Rec, Audio Evolution 4, |<!--MorphOS-->[https://sourceforge.net/p/hd-rec/code/HEAD/tree/ HD-Rec Src], Audio Evolution 4, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Audio Processing like easyeffects so having limiter, compressor, convolver, equalizer and auto volume and many other plugins |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Live Looping or Audio Misc - Groovebox like |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->CD/DVD burn |<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility IsoTools], [https://code.google.com/p/amiga-fryingpan/ FryingPan], |<!--Amiga OS-->FryingPan, [ MakeCD], |<!--AmigaOS4-->FryingPan, AmiDVD, |<!--MorphOS-->[http://www.amiga.org/forums/printthread.php?t=58736 FryingPan], Jalopeano, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->CD/DVD audio rip |<!--AROS-->Lame, [http://www.imica.net/SitePortalPage.aspx?siteid=1&cfid=0&did=167 Quick CDrip], |<!--Amiga OS-->Lame, |<!--AmigaOS4-->Lame, |<!--MorphOS-->Lame, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->MP3 v1 and v2 Tagger |<!--AROS-->id3ren (v1), [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=audio/edit mp3info], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> | |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Audio Convert |<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=audio/misc Sox], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://aminet.net/package/mus/misc/SoundBox SoundBox], [http://aminet.net/package/mus/misc/SoundBoxKey SoundBox Key], [http://aminet.net/package/mus/edit/SampleE SampleE], sox |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->DJ mixing jamming |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://github.com/djh0ffman/PT1210 Hoffman PT1210 DJ tracker], [], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Radio Automation Software [http://www.rivendellaudio.org/ Rivendell], [http://code.campware.org/projects/livesupport/report/3 Campware LiveSupport], [http://www.sourcefabric.org/en/airtime/ SourceFabric AirTime], [http://www.ohloh.net/p/mediabox404 MediaBox404], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Speakers Audio Sonos Mains AC networked wired controlled *2005 ZP100 with ZP80 *2008 Zoneplayer ZP120 (multi-room wireless amp) ZP90 receiver only with CR100 controller, *2009 ZonePlayer S5, *2010 BR100 wireless Bridge (no support), *2011 Play:3 *2013 Bridge (no support), Play:1, *2016 Arc, Play:1, *Beam (Gen 2), Playbar, Ray, Era 100, Era 300, Roam, Move 2, *Sub (Gen 3), Sub Mini, Five, Amp S2 |<!--AROS-->SonosController |<!--Amiga OS-->SonosController |<!--AmigaOS4-->SonosController |<!--MorphOS-->SonosController |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Smart Speakers |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |} <nowiki>*</nowiki> Commercial product. [[#top|...to the top]] ==Video Creativity and Production== {| class="wikitable sortable" |- !width:30%;|Video !width:10%;|AROS(x86) !width:10%;|Commodore-Amiga OS 3.1(68k) !width:10%;|Hyperion OS4(PPC) !width:10%;|MorphOS(PPC) |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Playing Video |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=video/play Mplayer], [ VAMP], [http://www.a500.org/downloads/video/index.xhtml CDXL player], [http://www.a500.org/downloads/video/index.xhtml IffAnimPlay], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->Frogger*, AMP2, MPlayer, RiVA*, MooViD*, |<!--AmigaOS4-->DvPlayer, MPlayer |<!--MorphOS-->MPlayer, Frogger, AMP2, VLC |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Streaming Video and game streaming like OBS studio, Parsec, [https://github.com/lizardbyte/sunshine sunshine], [https://github.com/moonlight-stream/moonlight-qt moonlight], etc |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Playing DVD |<!--AROS-->[http://a-mc.biz/ AMC]*, Mplayer |<!--Amiga OS-->AMP2, Frogger |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://a-mc.biz/ AMC]*, DvPlayer*, AMP2, |<!--MorphOS-->Mplayer |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Screen Recording |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=video/record Screenrecorder], [ ], [ ], [ ], [ ], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->Screenrecorder, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Create Edit Individual Video - Amiga like OSs have no pro NLE |<!--AROS-->[ Mencoder], [ Quick Videos], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/edit AVIbuild], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/misc FrameBuild], FFMPEG, |<!--Amiga OS-->[ MainConcept Mainactor Broadcast*], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_Toaster Video Toaster*] with [https://discreetfx.com/openvideotoaster.html some c src], MacroSystem MovieShop 4.3*, proDAD Adorage*, [ IOSpirit VHI studio]*, [Gold Disk ShowMaker], [], |<!--AmigaOS4-->FFMpeg/GUI |<!--MorphOS-->Blender, Mencoder, FFmpeg |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Subtitle editor |<!--AROS-->[https://aminet.net/package/text/edit/Slarti_Arosx86ABIv0 Slarti_Arosx86ABIv0], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->IP-based video production workflows with High Dynamic Range (HDR), 10-bit color collaborative NDI, |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Blogging like Lemmy or kbin |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->VR face recognition for Vtubers |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->VR chatting Live2D models with Cubism type editor or [https://github.com/AyagamiDev/ayagami ayagami] like with zipped moc3 with model metadata (model3, cdi3) <pre> Model data (cmo3) Basic motions (can3) Background image (png) Set of files for embedding (runtime folder) • Model data (moc3) • Motion data (motion3.json) • Model settings file (model3.json) • Physics settings file (physics3.json) • Display auxiliary file (cdi3.json) </pre> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->VR chatting chatters .VRML models - standardized 3D file format for VR avatars |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->V-tubers V-tubing like Vseeface with Openseeface tracker or Vpuppr (virtual puppet project) for online live 2d / 3d art models rigging rigged LIV |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |} <nowiki>*</nowiki> Commercial product. [[#top|...to the top]] ==Misc Application== {| class="wikitable sortable" |- !width:30%;|Misc Application !width:10%;|AROS(x86) !width:10%;|Commodore-Amiga OS 3.1 (68k) !width:10%;|Hyperion OS4(PPC) !width:10%;|MorphOS(PPC) |- |<!--Sub Menu-->File Management |<!--AROS-->DOpus4, [https://github.com/BlitterStudio/dopus5 DOpus Magellan aka DOpus 5], [ Scalos], [ ], |<!--Amiga OS-->DOpus2, DOpus 4, [https://github.com/BlitterStudio/dopus5 Dopus5 Magellan], ClassAction, FileMaster, [http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=4897 DirWork 2]*, [https://github.com/RudolphRiedel/DiskMaster2 DiskMaster2 src], |<!--AmigaOS4-->DOpus4, [https://github.com/BlitterStudio/dopus5 Dopus5 Magellan], Filer, AmiDisk |<!--MorphOS-->DOpus4, [https://github.com/BlitterStudio/dopus5 Dopus5 Magellan], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->File Verification / Repair |<!--AROS-->[https://arosarchives.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility md5sum], [https://arosarchives.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/filetool asum], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/filetool workpar2] (PAR2), [http://zakalwe.fi/~shd/foss/cksfv/files/ compile cksfv from website], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->Par2, |- |Application Installer |<!--AROS-->[], [ InstallerNG], |<!--Amiga OS-->InstallerNG, Grunch, |<!--AmigaOS4-->Jack |<!--MorphOS-->Jack |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Compression archiver [https://github.com/FS-make-simple/paq9a paq9a], [], |<!--AROS-->XAD system is a toolkit designed for handling various file and disk archiver |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[https://aminet.net/package/util/pack/decrunchmania_os4 Crunchmania CrM2 depacker], |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Binary Hexadecimal Editor |<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=development/edit Zaphod], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Filesystem Partition Editor formatter Disk Management |<!--AROS-->[https://www.arosworld.org/infusions/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=1440&highlight=partition&pid=8821#post_8821 QuickPart], [ HDToolBox] |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://github.com/stefanskotte/hdpart hdpart], [https://github.com/ChuckyGang/AmiPart AmiPart], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Filesystem Repair and backups |<!--AROS-->ArSFSDoctor, |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://aminet.net/package/disk/bakup/quarterback_src Quarterback Tools C and asm src], [ ], [ ], [ ], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->System Disk check, integrity and history [https://github.com/smartmontools/smartmontools smart tools], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->[], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Multiple File renaming |<!--AROS-->DOpus 4 or 5, |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Anti Virus |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->VChecker, |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Random Wallpaper Desktop changer [ DOpus5], [ Scalos], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Alarm Clock, Timer, Stopwatch, Countdown |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/workbench DClock], [http://aminet.net/util/time/AlarmClockAROS.lha AlarmClock], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |} ==Misc Application 2== {| class="wikitable sortable" |- !width:30%;|Misc Application !width:10%;|AROS(x86) !width:10%;|Commodore-Amiga OS 3.1(68k) !width:10%;|Hyperion OS4(PPC) !width:10%;|MorphOS(PPC) |- |<!--Sub Menu-->C/C++ IDE Integrated Development |<!--AROS-->[https://sourceforge.net/projects/aidea/ AIDEa], [ Murks], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://devplex.awardspace.biz/cubic/index.html Cubic IDE]*, [ StormC], [https://github.com/jens-maus/amide amide], [], |<!--AmigaOS4-->CodeBench , [https://gitlab.com/boemann/codecraft CodeCraft], |<!--MorphOS-->[http://devplex.awardspace.biz/cubic/index.html Cubic IDE]*, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->C/C++ Text Editors |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/text/edit FrexxEd], [https://github.com/vidarh/FrexxEd FrexxEd src], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/text/edit Annotate] with [https://www.onyxsoft.se/files/annotate_src.lha src], |<!--Amiga OS-->[ Protext], [ CED], [], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->[https://www.onyxsoft.se/annotate.html Annotate], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Repository |<!--AROS-->[ Git] |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->Git |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->BASIC Computer Language |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=development/language Basic4SDL], [ Ace Basic], [ X-AMOS], [SDLBasic], [ Alvyn], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://www.amiforce.de/main.php Amiblitz 3] with [https://github.com/AmiBlitz/AmiBlitz3 Asm src], [http://amos.condor.serverpro3.com/AmosProManual/contents/c1.html Amos Pro] with [https://github.com/AmiDARK/AmosProfessionalUnity-Official-Releases Asm src], [http://aminet.net/package/dev/basic/ace24dist ACE Basic], [https://github.com/gooofy/aqb aqb], [], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->sdlBasic |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Computer Languages Translation [https://tetracorp.github.io/guide/reverse-engineering-amiga.html], [https://amigasourcecodepreservation.gitlab.io/amiga-assembler-insider-guide/], [https://github.com/kermitfrog/Amiga-Re-Engineering Rust, Ghidra and FS-UAE], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://bitbucket.org/rhinoid/convert68000toc/src/main/ convert m68k seka asm-one to c], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Gui Creators |<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=development/guitool MuiBuilder], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->[ MuiBuilder], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Catalog .cd .ct Custom App Language Editors |<!--AROS-->FlexCat, [https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility Flexcat GUI], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://www.geit.de/deu_simplecat.html SimpleCat], FlexCat |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://aminet.net/package/dev/misc/simplecat SimpleCat], FlexCat |<!--MorphOS-->[http://www.geit.de/deu_simplecat.html SimpleCat], FlexCat |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Cross Development |<!--AROS-->[], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://github.com/geekychris/amiga_mcp amiga_mcp], [https://github.com/mbergmann-sh/AmigaED4-IDE AmigaED4-IDE], [https://lemonspawn.com/turbo-rascal-syntax-error-expected-but-begin/ Turbo Rascal], [], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |} <nowiki>*</nowiki> Commercial product. ==Misc Application 3== {| class="wikitable sortable" |- !width:30%;|Misc Application !width:10%;|AROS(x86) !width:10%;|Commodore-Amiga OS 3.1(68k) !width:10%;|Hyperion OS4(PPC) !width:10%;|MorphOS(PPC) |- |<!--Sub Menu-->System |<!--AROS-->[ SysExplorer], [ SysMon], [ Scout], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Terminals Shells CLIs |<!--AROS-->[https://tomaszstaniak.com/aros-term/ aros-term], [], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->OSK On Screen Keyboard |<!--AROS-->[], |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://aminet.net/util/wb/OSK.lha OSK] |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Screen Magnifier Magnifying Glass Magnification |<!--AROS-->[http://www.onyxsoft.se/files/zoomit.lha ZoomIT], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Comic Book CBR CBZ format reader viewer |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/viewer comics], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/viewer comicon], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Ebook Reader |<!--AROS-->[https://blog.alb42.de/programs/#legadon Legadon EPUB],[] |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Ebook Converter |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Text to Speech tts [https://github.com/JonathanFly/bark-installer Bark], [], |<!--AROS-->[ Echo " " >SPEAK:A1 inbuilt], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=audio/misc flite], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://www.text2speech.com translator], [https://github.com/sidick/narrator.wyoming narrator.wyoming], [], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=search&tool=simple FLite] |<!--MorphOS-->[http://se.aminet.net/pub/aminet/mus/misc/ FLite] |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Speech Voice Recognition Dictation - [http://sourceforge.net/projects/cmusphinx/files/ CMU Sphinx], [http://julius.sourceforge.jp/en_index.php?q=en/index.html Julius], [http://www.isip.piconepress.com/projects/speech/index.html ISIP], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Speech Voice Changer [], [], [], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Screen Display Blanker screensaver |<!--AROS-->Blanker Commodity (built in), [https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/screenblanker GarshneBlanker], [http://sourceforge.net/projects/gblanker/ GBlanker Src], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->MultiCX, |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->ModernArt Blanker, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Fortune Cookie Quotes Sayings |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/misc AFortune], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |} ==Misc Application 4== {| class="wikitable sortable" |- !width:30%;|Misc Application !width:10%;|AROS(x86) !width:10%;|Commodore-Amiga OS 3.1(68k) !width:10%;|Hyperion OS4(PPC) !width:10%;|MorphOS(PPC) |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Fractals mandelbrot, etc |<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/misc], |<!--Amiga OS-->ZoneXplorer, |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Landscape Rendering |<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/raytrace WCS World Construction Set], |<!--Amiga OS-->[ Vista Pro], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Construction_Set World Construction Set] |<!--AmigaOS4-->[ WCS World Construction Set], |<!--MorphOS-->[ WCS World Construction Set], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Astronomy [https://sourceforge.net/projects/skychart/ skychart freepascal], [], [], |<!--AROS-->[ Digital Almanac (ABIv0 only)], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://aminet.net/search?query=planetarium Aminet search], [http://aminet.net/misc/sci/DA3V56ISO.zip Digital Almanac], [https://aminet.net/package/misc/sci/da3sourceV58 Src c V58], [ Galileo renamed to Distant Suns]*, [], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://sourceforge.net/projects/digital-almanac/ Digital Almanac], Distant Suns*, [http://www.digitaluniverse.org.uk/ Digital Universe]*, |<!--MorphOS-->[http://www.aminet.net/misc/sci/da3.lha Digital Almanac], [http://www.aminet.net/package/misc/sci/da3-mos-src Src c V56], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Astrology [https://sourceforge.net/projects/skylendar/ skylendar], [https://github.com/CruiserOne/Astrolog Astrolog], [https://www.astrolog.org/astrolog/astfile.htm Astrology alt site], [https://saravali.github.io/download.html Maitreya], [https://github.com/alamahant/Asteria Asteria], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Genealogy History Family Tree Ancestry Records (FreeBMD, FreeREG, and FreeCEN file formats or GEDCOM GenTree) |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> [ Origins], [ Your Family Tree], [ ], [ ], [ ], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Languages |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->Fun School, |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Mathematics ([http://www-fourier.ujf-grenoble.fr/~parisse/install_en.html Xcas], etc.), |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/scientific mathX] |<!--Amiga OS-->Maple V, mathX, Fun School, GCSE Maths, [ ], [ ], [ ], |<!--AmigaOS4-->Yacas |<!--MorphOS-->Yacas |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Maths Graph Function Plotting |<!--AROS-->[https://blog.alb42.de/programs/#MUIPlot MUIPlot], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->App Utility Launcher Dock toolbar |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/docky BoingBar], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://github.com/adkennan/DockBot Dockbot], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->3D Printer [https://github.com/OrcaSlicer/OrcaSlicer OrcaSlicer] |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->PCB design |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->[ ], [ ], [ ], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Digital Signage |<!--AROS-->Hollywood, Hollywood Designer |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->HAM radio, amateur radio, packet radio, [], [], [], [https://cemaxecuter.com/ Dragon OS], [https://github.com/km4ack/73Linux with 73 link update], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAL5KNePRSg video for], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://github.com/punktniklas/NiKom NiKom], [https://www.amigarealm.com/amiga/amicomms/comm4.htm Comm4], [https://www.amigarealm.com/archives/comms/aarug/ TNC Terminal Node Controller with packets over serial connections on Yaesu or Woxum handheld], [https://aminet.net/comm/misc AmiCom], [ with 7Plus file encoder/decoder], [ mksstv], [ RTTYam], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->modern smart home network like Home Assistant Automation Yellow, Green, Mosquitto, EMQX, |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://github.com/evil4dmin/ami2ha HA], [https://github.com/sidick/midge mtqq.lib], [https://aminet.net/package/comm/tcp/AmiHomeassist-0.7 AmiHomeassist], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Teaching classroom learning training [https://github.com/moodle/moodle moodle], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |} <nowiki>*</nowiki> Commercial product. ==Games & Emulation== Some emulators/games require OpenGL to function and to adjust ahi prefs channels, frequency and unit0 and unit1 and [http://aros.sourceforge.net/documentation/users/shell/changetaskpri.php changetaskpri -1] Rom patching https://www.marcrobledo.com/RomPatcher.js/ https://www.romhacking.net/patch/ (ips, ups, bps, etc) and this other site supports the latter formats https://hack64.net/tools/patcher.php Free public domain roms for use with emulators can be found [http://www.pdroms.de/ here] as most of the rest are covered by copyright rules. If you like to read about old games see [http://retrogamingtimes.com/ here] and [http://www.armchairarcade.com/neo/ here] and a [http://www.vintagecomputing.com/ blog] about old computers. Possibly some of the [http://www.answers.com/topic/list-of-best-selling-computer-and-video-games best selling] of all time. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_computer_system_emulators Wiki] with emulated systems list. [https://archive.gamehistory.org/ Archive of VGHF], [https://library.gamehistory.org/ Video Game History Foundation Library search] {| class="wikitable sortable" |- !width:10%;|Games [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer Emulation] !width:10%;|AROS(x86) !width:10%;|AmigaOS3(68k) !width:10%;|AmigaOS4(PPC) !width:10%;|MorphOS(PPC) |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Amstrad CPC |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer], [ Caprice32 (OpenGL & pure SDL)], [ Arnold], [https://retroshowcase.gr/cpcbox-master/], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer] |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=2], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Apple2 and 2GS |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Arcade |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem Mame], [ SI Emu (ABIv0 only)], |<!--Amiga OS-->Mame, |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem xmame], amiarcadia, |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=2 Mame], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Atari 2600 [], [], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem Stella], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Atari 5200 [https://github.com/wavemotion-dave/A5200DS A5200DS], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Atari 7800 |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Atari 400 800 130XL [https://github.com/wavemotion-dave/A8DS A8DS], [], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer Atari800], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Atari Lynx |<!--AROS-->[http://myfreefilehosting.com/f/6366e11bdf_1.93MB Handy (ABIv0 only)], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Atari Jaguar |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Bandai Wonderswan |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation BBC Micro and Acorn Electron [http://beehttps://bem-unix.bbcmicro.com/download.html BeebEm], [http://b-em.bbcmicro.com/ B-Em], [http://elkulator.acornelectron.co.uk/ Elkulator], [http://electrem.emuunlim.com/ ElectrEm], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Dragon 32 and Tandy CoCo [http://www.6809.org.uk/xroar/ xroar], [], |<!--AROS-->[], [], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Commodore C16 Plus4 |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Commodore C64 |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer Vice (ABIv0 only)], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->Frodo, |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem viceplus], |<!--MorphOS-->Vice, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Commodore Amiga |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer Janus UAE], Emumiga, |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer UAE], |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=2 UAE], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Japanese MSX MSX2 |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Mattel Intelivision |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Mattel Colecovision and Adam |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Milton Bradley (MB) Vectrex [ Vectrex OpenGL], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation PICO8 Pico-8 fantasy video game console [https://github.com/egordorichev/pemsa-sdl/ pemsa-sdl], [https://github.com/jtothebell/fake-08 fake-08], [https://github.com/Epicpkmn11/fake-08/tree/wip fake-08 fork], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Nintendo Gameboy |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem vba no sound], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem vba] |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Nintendo NES |<!--AROS-->[ EmiNES], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem Fceu], [https://github.com/takahirox/nes-js?tab=readme-ov-file nes-js], [https://github.com/bfirsh/jsnes jsnes], [https://github.com/angelo-wf/NesJs NesJs], |<!--Amiga OS-->AmiNES, [http://www.dridus.com/~nyef/darcnes/ darcNES], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem amines] |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Nintendo SNES |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem Zsnes], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem warpsnes] |<!--MorphOS-->[http://fabportnawak.free.fr/snes/ Snes9x], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Nintendo N64 *HLE and plugins [ mupen64], [https://github.com/ares-emulator/ares ares], [https://github.com/N64Recomp/N64Recomp N64Recomp], [https://github.com/rt64/rt64 rt64], [https://github.com/simple64/simple64 Simple64], *LLE [], |<!--AROS-->[http://code.google.com/p/mupen64plus/ Mupen64+], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://code.google.com/p/mupen64plus/ Mupen64+], [http://aminet.net/package/misc/emu/tr-981125_src TR64], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->[ Nintendo Gamecube Wii] |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->[ Nintendo Wii U] |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->[https://github.com/yuzu-emu Nintendo Switch] |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation NEC PC Engine |<!--AROS-->[], [], [https://github.com/yhzmr442/jspce js-pce], |[http://www.hugo.fr.fm/ Hugo], [http://mednafen.sourceforge.net/ Mednafen], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem tgemu] |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Sega Master System (SMS) |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem Dega], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem sms], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem osmose] |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Sega Genesis/Megadrive |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem gp no sound], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem DGen], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://code.google.com/p/genplus-gx/ Genplus], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem genesisplus] |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Sega Saturn *HLE [https://mednafen.github.io/ mednafen], [http://yabause.org/ yabause], [], *LLE [], [], |<!--AROS-->? |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://yabause.org/ Yabause], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Sega Dreamcast *HLE [https://github.com/flyinghead/flycast flycast], [https://code.google.com/archive/p/nulldc/downloads NullDC], *LLE [], [], |<!--AROS-->? |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Sinclair ZX80 and ZX81 |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer], [], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Sinclair Spectrum |[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer Fuse (crackly sound)], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer SimCoupe], [ FBZX slow], [https://jsspeccy.zxdemo.org/ jsspeccy], [http://torinak.com/qaop/games qaop], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://www.lasernet.plus.com/ Asp], [http://www.zophar.net/sinclair.html Speculator], [http://www.worldofspectrum.org/x128/index.html X128], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer] |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Sinclair QL |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://aminet.net/package/misc/emu/QDOS4amiga1 QDOS4amiga] |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation SNK NeoGeo Pocket |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem gngeo], NeoPop, |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Sony PlayStation |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem FPSE], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem FPSE] |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->[ Sony PS2] |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->[ Sony PS3] |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->[https://vita3k.org/ Sony Vita] |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->[https://github.com/shadps4-emu/shadPS4 PS4] |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tangerine_Computer_Systems Tangerine] Oric and Atmos |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer Oricutron] |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem Oricutron] |<!--MorphOS-->[http://aminet.net/package/misc/emu/oricutron Oricutron] |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation TI 99/4 99/4A [https://github.com/wavemotion-dave/DS994a DS994a], [], [https://js99er.net/#/ js99er], [], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://aminet.net/package/misc/emu/TI4Amiga TI4Amiga], [http://aminet.net/package/misc/emu/TI4Amiga_src TI4Amiga src in c], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation HP 38G 40GS 48 49G/50G Graphing Calculators |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation TI 58 83 84 85 86 - 89 92 Graphing Calculators |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |} {| class="wikitable sortable" |- !width:10%;|Games [https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/ General] !width:10%;|AROS(x86) !width:10%;|AmigaOS3(68k) !width:10%;|AmigaOS4(PPC) !width:10%;|MorphOS(PPC) |- style="background:lightgrey;{{text default color}}; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Games [https://www.trackawesomelist.com/michelpereira/awesome-open-source-games/ Open Source and others] || AROS || Amiga OS || Amiga OS4 || Morphos |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Action like [https://github.com/opentomb/OpenTomb opentomb], [https://github.com/LostArtefacts/TRX TRX formerly Tomb1Main], [https://github.com/TombEngine TombEngine], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/action Thrust], [https://github.com/fragglet/sdl-sopwith sdl sopwith], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/action], [https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/action BOH], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://github.com/BSzili/OpenLara/tree/amiga/src source of openlara SDL2], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Adventure like [http://dotg.sourceforge.net/ DMJ], [https://github.com/kromenak/gengine Gabriel Knight 3], [http://www.sarien.net/ Sierra Sarien], [https://github.com/klembot/twinejs twine js], [https://github.com/QSPFoundation/qspgui Quest Soft Player QSP], [], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/adventure dmagnetic], [https://archives.arosworld.org/?function=browse&cat=emulation/misc ScummVM], [https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/roleplaying frotz infocom], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Board like [https://github.com/aperture-software/colditz-escape escape from colditz], [], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/board], [http://amigan.1emu.net/releases Africa] |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Cards |<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/card], [https://www.arosworld.org/infusions/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=1443&rowstart=180&pid=12934#post_12934 Balatro], |<!--AmigaOS-->[http://home.arcor.de/amigasolitaire/e/welcome.html Reko], [https://github.com/samskivert/beschei-en beschei Src], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Misc [https://github.com/michelpereira/awesome-open-source-games Awesome open], [https://github.com/bobeff/open-source-games General Open Source], [https://github.com/SAT-R/sa2 Sonic Advance 2], [https://github.com/velorek1/cwordle Wordle type], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/misc], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games FPS like [https://aminet.net/package/game/shoot/D1X_Rebirth_AGA Descent D1X src], [https://github.com/DescentDevelopers/Descent3 Descent 3], [https://github.com/Fewnity/Counter-Strike-Nintendo-DS Counter-Strike-Nintendo-DS], [https://github.com/Aleph-One-Marathon/alephone Bungie Marathon 1994], [https://zdoom.org/downloads UzDoom opengl 3.3], [https://github.com/ZDoom/gzdoom gzdoom opengl 3+], [https://zdoom.org/downloads LZDoom opengl 2.1], [https://github.com/OpenXRay/xray-16 S.T.A.L.K.E.R Xray], |<!--AROS-->Doom, Quake, [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/fps Quake 3 Arena (OpenGL)], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/fps Cube (OpenGL)], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/fps Assault Cube (OpenGL)], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/fps Cube 2 Sauerbraten (OpenGL)], [http://fodquake.net/test/ FodQuake QuakeWorld], [https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/fps Duke Nukem 3D], [https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/fps Darkplaces Nexuiz Xonotic], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/fps Doom 3 SDL (OpenGL)], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/fps Hexenworld and Hexen 2], [https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/fps Aliens vs Predator Gold 2000 avp (openGL)], [https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/fps Odamex (openGL doom)], [https://archives.arosworld.org/?function=showfile&file=game/fps/ zgloom], [], [https://archives.arosworld.org/?function=showfile&file=game/fps/ ab3dhd], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->Doom, Quake, AB3D, Fears, Breathless, Gloom, |<!--AmigaOS4-->Doom, Quake, |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=12 Doom], Quake, Quake 3 Arena, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games MMORG like |<!--AROS-->[ Eternal Lands (OpenGL)], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Platform like |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/platform], [ Maze of Galious], [ Gish]*(openGL), [ Mega Mario], [https://archives.arosworld.org/?function=showfile&file=game/platform/ thextech SMBX], [http://www.gianas-return.de/ Giana's Return], [http://www.sqrxz.de/ Sqrxz], [www.sqrxz2.de/ Sqrxz 2], [http://www.sqrxz.de/sqrxz-3/ Sqrxz 3], [http://www.sqrxz.de/sqrxz-4/ Sqrxz 4], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/platform Cave Story], [https://bszili.morphos.me/ Frogatto], [https://bszili.morphos.me/ OpenJazz], [https://archives.arosworld.org/?function=showfile&file=game/platform/ pekkakana2], [ Aquaria], [https://archives.arosworld.org/?function=showfile&file=game/platform/ sonic CD], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->[ Giana Sisters], [], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Puzzle [https://github.com/mariopartyrd/marioparty4/tree/port Party], [https://github.com/mdodis/OpenSolomonsKey OpenSolomonsKey], [], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/puzzle], [ Cubosphere (OpenGL)], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/puzzle Candy Crisis], [http://bszili.morphos.me/ TailTale], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Racing [ Trigger Rally], [ VDrift], [http://www.ultimatestunts.nl/index.php?page=2&lang=en Ultimate Stunts], [http://maniadrive.raydium.org/ Mania Drive], [https://github.com/plowteam/donut Simpsons Hit and Run], [], |<!--AROS-->[ Super Tux Kart (OpenGL)], [http://www.dusabledanslherbe.eu/AROSPage/F1Spirit.30.html F1 Spirit (OpenGL)], [http://bszili.morphos.me/index.html MultiRacer], [https://bszili.morphos.me/ Speed Dreams], [https://archives.arosworld.org/?function=showfile&file=game/driving/dethrace-0.10.1.x86_64-aros-v11.zip Carmageddon dethrace 64bit], [http://maniadrive.raydium.org/index.php?downloads=yes maniadrive like trackmania], |<!--AmigaOS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://bszili.morphos.me/index.html Speed Dreams], |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=12], [http://bszili.morphos.me/index.html TORCS], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games 1st first person DRPG [https://wiki.rpg.net/index.php/Open_Game_Systems Misc], [https://github.com/OpenEnroth/OpenEnroth OpenEnroth MM], [] |<!--AROS-->[https://github.com/BSzili/aros-stuff Arx Libertatis], [http://www.playfuljs.com/a-first-person-engine-in-265-lines/ js raycaster], [https://github.com/Dorthu/es6-crpg webgl], [https://github.com/sonountaleban/AmiShockolate System Shock], [], [], |<!--AmigaOS-->Phantasie, Faery Tale, Dungeon Master, |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games 3rd third person action CRPG [https://sourceforge.net/projects/sumwars/ Summoning Wars], [https://www.solarus-games.org/ Solarus], [https://wiki.rpg.net/index.php/Open_Game_Systems Misc], [https://github.com/alexbatalov/fallout1-ce fallout ce], [https://github.com/rwengine/openrw gta3], [https://github.com/gta-reversed/gta-reversed gta3 sa], [https://github.com/mrxenginner/reVC gta3 vc revc], [https://github.com/jakobharder/burntime/tree/main Burntime], |<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/?function=showfile&file=game/strategy/ fheroes2 homm2], [https://archives.arosworld.org/?function=showfile&file=game/roleplaying/ breakhack], [https://archives.arosworld.org/?function=showfile&file=game/roleplaying/ devilutionx diablo 1 hellfire], [https://archives.arosworld.org/?function=showfile&file=game/roleplaying/ fallout 1], [https://archives.arosworld.org/?function=showfile&file=game/strategy/ stratagus], [https://archives.arosworld.org/?function=showfile&file=game/strategy/ hostile-takeover], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games isometric RPG [https://sourceforge.net/projects/sumwars/ Summoning Wars], [https://www.solarus-games.org/ Solarus], [https://wiki.rpg.net/index.php/Open_Game_Systems Misc], [https://github.com/topics/dungeon?l=javascript Dungeon], [], [https://github.com/clintbellanger/heroine-dusk JS Dusk], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/roleplaying nethack], [https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/roleplaying GemRB], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games card based RPG [https://github.com/open-duelyst/duelyst Duelyst], [], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games turn based tactics RPG [], [], [], [], [], [], |<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/strategy UFO AI], [http://play.freeciv.org/ FreeCiv], [], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Strategy [http://rtsgus.org/ RTSgus], [http://stargus.sourceforge.net/ Stargus], [https://github.com/KD-lab-Open-Source/Perimeter Perimeter], [https://matty77.itch.io/conflict-3049 conflict-3049], [https://github.com/ZeroK-RTS/Zero-K Zero-K multi player rts lua], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/strategy MegaGlest (OpenGL)], [https://archives.arosworld.org/?function=showfile&file=game/strategy/ signus], [https://www.arosworld.org/infusions/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=1443&rowstart=140&pid=12446#post_12446 Wargus warcraft 2 setup], |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://aminet.net/package/game/strat/OpenDUNE_RTG OpenDUNE_RTG src] |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=12] |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Rhythm, Beat, Step [], [], [https://clonehero.net/ clonehero], [https://github.com/MatteoGodzilla/Dj-Engine Dj-Engine], |<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/misc Frets on Fire], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Shoot Em Ups [http://www.mhgames.org/oldies/formido/ Formido], [http://code.google.com/p/violetland/ Violetland], ||<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/action Open Tyrian], [http://www.parallelrealities.co.uk/projects/starfighter.php Starfighter], [ Alien Blaster], [https://github.com/OpenFodder/openfodder OpenFodder], [https://archives.arosworld.org/?function=showfile&file=game/action/ tbftss The Battle for the Solar System: the Pandora War] |<!--AmigaOS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.parallelrealities.co.uk/projects/starfighter.php Starfighter], [ The Battle for the Solar System: the Pandora War] |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Simulations [http://scp.indiegames.us/ Freespace 2], [http://www.heptargon.de/gl-117/gl-117.html GL117], [http://code.google.com/p/corsix-th/ Theme Hospital], [http://code.google.com/p/freerct/ Rollercoaster Tycoon], [http://hedgewars.org/ Hedgewars], [https://github.com/raceintospace/raceintospace raceintospace], [https://github.com/Return-To-The-Roots RTTR Settlers 2], [https://github.com/OoliteProject/oolite oolite elite], [https://github.com/fesh0r/newkind newkind elite], [https://github.com/bohemiainteractive/cwr Arma Cold War Src], [https://github.com/endless-sky/endless-sky endless-sky], [https://github.com/pioneerspacesim/pioneer pioneer space command], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->SimCity, SimAnt, Sim Hospital, Theme Park, [https://github.com/angree/openttd_amiga_68k openttd amiga_68k], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=12] |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Life Sim [https://github.com/ACreTeam/forest Animal Crossing], [ ], [], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Horror [https://github.com/Mikompilation/MikuPan Fatal Frame], [ ], [], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Sandbox Voxel Open World Exploration [https://github.com/ClassiCube/ Classicube],[http://www.michaelfogleman.com/craft/ Craft], [https://github.com/tothpaul/DelphiCraft DelphiCraft],[https://www.minetest.net/ Luanti formerly Minetest], [ infiniminer], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Battle Royale [https://bruh.io/ Play.Bruh.io], [https://www.coolmathgames.com/0-copter Copter Royale], [https://surviv.io/ Surviv.io], [https://nuggetroyale.io/#Ketchup Nugget Royale], [https://miniroyale2.io/ Miniroyale2.io], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Tower Defense [https://chriscourses.github.io/tower-defense/ HTML5], [https://github.com/SBardak/Tower-Defense-Game TD C++], [https://github.com/bdoms/love_defense LUA and LOVE], [https://github.com/HyOsori/Osori-WebGame HTML5], [https://github.com/PascalCorpsman/ConfigTD ConfigTD Pascal], [https://github.com/GloriousEggroll/wine-ge-custom Wine], [] |<!--AROS-->[https://www.arosworld.org/infusions/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=1443&rowstart=180&pid=12871#post_12871 Plants vs Zombies PvZ], |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://github.com/boingball/miggy-tower-defense miggy-tower-defense], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Visual Novel Engines [https://github.com/diane1f0cd/VisualNovelTemplate Visual Novel Template], [https://github.com/Kirilllive/tuesday-js Tuesday JS], [https://github.com/tejasnayak25/vnsutra vnsutra], [https://github.com/weetabix-su/renpsp-dev RenPSP], [https://github.com/Galladite27/ONScripter-EN ONScripter-EN], [https://github.com/NathanGuilhot/VNES-Raylib https://github.com/NathanGuilhot/VNES VNES in Raylib], [https://www.renpy.org/latest.html renpy ren'py python based], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Virtual Reality VR [https://gitlab.com/madsbuvi/openmw openmw vr], [https://github.com/Team-Beef-Studios/BeefRaiderXR BeefRaiderXR], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Virtual Table Top VTT [ Roll20], [https://www.owlbear.rodeo/ owlbear rodeo], [], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Computer assisted TableTop TTRPG OSR [https://www.rpgsolo.com/play.php RPGSolo], [https://github.com/fpsvogel/solo-ttrpgs Solo TTRPG], [], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games 2D 3D Engines [https://github.com/fegennari/3DWorld 3DWorld], [https://github.com/GarageGames/Torque3D Torque3D], [https://github.com/gameplay3d/GamePlay GamePlay 3D], [https://www.babylonjs.com/ BabylonJS ], [ Godot], [ Ogre], [ Crystal Space], [https://github.com/JacobHess03/ Dragon-Quest like], [https://github.com/bjornbytes/lovr Lua LOVE for 2D LOVR for 3D], [], |<!--AROS-->[https://www.arkhamdev.net/wiki.htm?id=agx Arkham Development antiryadgx 8.9 lts with register], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://github.com/alpyre/Sevgi_Engine Sevgi Engine], [], [], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games C based game frameworks [https://github.com/orangeduck/Corange Corange], [https://github.com/scottcgi/Mojoc Mojoc], [https://orx-project.org/ Orx], [https://github.com/ioquake/ioq3 Quake 3], [https://www.mapeditor.org/ Tiled], [https://www.raylib.com/ 2d Raylib], [https://github.com/Rabios/awesome-raylib other raylib], [https://github.com/MrFrenik/gunslinger Gunslinger], [https://o3de.org/ o3d], [http://archives.aros-exec.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=development/library GLFW], [], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=development/library Raylib 5], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games RPGMaker MV/MZ-compatible projects [https://github.com/Psychronic-Games/RPGReactor RPGReactor js], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Virtual Pinball [https://github.com/vpinball/vpinball vpinball], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games unpack unarc [], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |} ==Application Guides== [[#top|...to the top]] ===Web Browser=== OWB is now at version 2.0 (which got an engine refresh, from July 2015 to February 2019) and 3.0. This latest version has a good support for many/most web sites, even YouTube web page now works. [https://www.bilibili.tv/en/search untested] This improved compatibility comes at the expense of higher RAM usage (now 1GB RAM is the absolute minimum). Also, keep in mind that the lack of a JIT (Just-In-Time) JS compiler on the 32 bit version, makes the web surfing a bit slow. Only the 64 bit version of OWB 2.0 will have JIT enabled, thus benefitting of more speed. There are tooltypes that can be added to the icon to provide further features JIT, MSE etc Certificates from [https://curl.se/docs/caextract.html ca certs], DNS tracking blocking with [https://easylist.to/easylist/easylist.txt easylist.txt] in PROGDIR:Conf before starting browser with enabled AdBlock [https://github.com/easylist/easylist/tree/master easylist], [https://gitlab.com/eyeo anti abp], [https://firebog.net/ big blocklist], [https://github.com/StevenBlack/hosts Steves], [], [], This can be enabled with OWB Odyssey with Windows -> Content Blocking and Windows -> Messages and enter https://www.youtube.com/api/stats/ads* https://www.youtube.com/pagead/adview* https://www.youtube.com#@##player-ads* into your custom filters Element blocker browser extension might be needed for [https://github.com/easylist/easylist/wiki/Youtube-Issues youtube], [ mid roll], [ pre roll], [ ], OWB speed is much better when running from RAM Disk, the best way is to add the below into your S:User-Startup which copies OWB drawer from Extras:Internet/OWB to RAM Disk: So add this : <pre> copy Extras:Internet/OWB Ram:OWB/ ALL CLONE >NIL: copy Extras:Internet/OWB.info Ram: >NIL: </pre> Open RAM Disk and open OWB drawer and double click on OWB icon so that the above icon tooltypes are activated Problems are that the copy time is long (around 20 seconds added in the background), but we can make it faster if we delete useless files from the OWB drawer (docs, …) If you don’t copy the drawer back onto the HD, you won’t save your cache, cookies, passwords… So you need a script for it. copy Extras:Internet/Amelinium/#? Ram:Amelinium/ ALL CLONE >NIL: Error messages SSL error "cant verify with ca-certificates", check bios clock time date is correct Error 6, try checking networking prefs settings and Save / Use preferences again or a '''few times''' otherwise the network chipset may not be compatible with Aros [https://www.google.com/search?q=%s&udm=14 Google search without AI overview] [ DuckDuckGo] [ Ecosia] [ Qwant] [ Swisscows] [ Mojeek] [ Brave Search] [ PreSearch] [ Startpage] ===E-mail=== Emailinium is now available for IMAP and POP3 based accounts YAM does not support SSL and most mail providers now switched to encrypted SMTP/POP3 connections ====SimpleMail==== SimpleMail supports IMAP and appears to work with GMail, but it's never been reliable enough, it can crash with large mailboxes. Please read more on this [http://www.freelists.org/list/simplemail-usr User list] GMail Be sure to activate the pop3 usage in your gmail account setup / configuration first. pop3: pop.gmail.com Use SSL: Yes Port: 995 smtp: smtp.gmail.com (with authentication) Use Authentication: Yes Use SSL: Yes Port: 465 or 587 Hotmail/MSN/outlook/Microsoft Mail mid-2017, all outlook.com accounts will be migrated to Office 365 / Exchange Most users are currently on POP which does not allow showing folders and many other features (technical limitations of POP3). With Microsoft IMAP you will get folders, sync read/unread, and show flags. You still won't get push though, as Microsoft has not turned on the IMAP Idle command as at Sept 2013. If you want to try it, you need to first remove (you can't edit) your pop account (long-press the account on the accounts screen, delete account). Then set it up this way: 1. Email/Password 2. Manual 3. IMAP 4. * Incoming: imap-mail.outlook.com, port 993, SSL/TLS should be checked * Outgoing: smtp-mail.outlook.com, port 587, SSL/TLS should be checked * POP server name pop-mail.outlook.com, port 995, POP encryption method SSL Yahoo Mail On April 24, 2002 Yahoo ceased to offer POP access to its free mail service. Introducing instead a yearly payment feature, allowing users POP3 and IMAP server support, along with such benefits as larger file attachment sizes and no adverts. Sorry to see Yahoo leaving its users to cough up for the privilege of accessing their mail. Understandable, when competing against rivals such as Gmail and Hotmail who hold a large majority of users and were hacked in 2014 as well. Incoming Mail (IMAP) Server * Server - imap.mail.yahoo.com * Port - 993 * Requires SSL - Yes Outgoing Mail (SMTP) Server * Server - smtp.mail.yahoo.com * Port - 465 or 587 * Requires SSL - Yes * Requires authentication - Yes Your login info * Email address - Your full email address (name@domain.com) * Password - Your account's password * Requires authentication - Yes Note that you need to enable “Web & POP Access” in your Yahoo Mail account to send and receive Yahoo Mail messages through any other email program. You will have to enable “Allow your Yahoo Mail to be POPed” under “POP and Forwarding”, to send and receive Yahoo mails through any other email client. Cannot be done since 2002 unless the customer pays Yahoo a subscription subs fee to have access to SMTP and POP3 * Set the POP server for incoming mails as pop.mail.yahoo.com. You will have to enable “SSL” and use 995 for Port. * “Account Name or Login Name” – Your Yahoo Mail ID i.e. your email address without the domain “@yahoo.com”. * “Email Address” – Your Yahoo Mail address i.e. your email address including the domain “@yahoo.com”. E.g. myname@yahoo.com * “Password” – Your Yahoo Mail password. Yahoo! Mail Plus users may have to set POP server as plus.pop.mail.yahoo.com and SMTP server as plus.smtp.mail.yahoo.com. * Set the SMTP server for outgoing mails as smtp.mail.yahoo.com. You will also have to make sure that “SSL” is enabled and use 465 for port. you must also enable “authentication” for this to work. ====YAM Yet Another Mailer==== YAM does not support SSL and most mail providers have now switched to encrypted SMTP/POP3 connections This email client is POP3 only if the SSL library is available [http://www.freelists.org/list/yam YAM Freelists] One of the downsides of using a POP3 mailer unfortunately - you have to set an option not to delete the mail if you want it left on the server. IMAP keeps all the emails on the server. Possible issues Sending mail issues is probably a matter of using your ISP's SMTP server, though it could also be an SSL issue. getting a "Couldn't initialise TLSv1 / SSL error Use of on-line e-mail accounts with this email client is not possible as it lacks the OpenSSL AmiSSl v3 compatible library GMail Incoming Mail (POP3) Server - requires SSL: pop.gmail.com Use SSL: Yes Port: 995 Outgoing Mail (SMTP) Server - requires TLS: smtp.gmail.com (use authentication) Use Authentication: Yes Use STARTTLS: Yes (some clients call this SSL) Port: 465 or 587 Account Name: your Gmail username (including '@gmail.com') Email Address: your full Gmail email address (username@gmail.com) Password: your Gmail password Anyway, the SMTP is pop.gmail.com port 465 and it uses SSLLv3 Authentication. The POP3 settings are for the same server (pop.gmail.com), only on port 995 instead. Outlook.com access <pre > Outlook.com SMTP server address: smtp.live.com Outlook.com SMTP user name: Your full Outlook.com email address (not an alias) Outlook.com SMTP password: Your Outlook.com password Outlook.com SMTP port: 587 Outlook.com SMTP TLS/SSL encryption required: yes </pre > Yahoo Mail <pre > “POP3 Server” – Set the POP server for incoming mails as pop.mail.yahoo.com. You will have to enable “SSL” and use 995 for Port. “SMTP Server” – Set the SMTP server for outgoing mails as smtp.mail.yahoo.com. You will also have to make sure that “SSL” is enabled and use 465 for port. you must also enable “authentication” for this to work. “Account Name or Login Name” – Your Yahoo Mail ID i.e. your email address without the domain “@yahoo.com”. “Email Address” – Your Yahoo Mail address i.e. your email address including the domain “@yahoo.com”. E.g. myname@yahoo.com “Password” – Your Yahoo Mail password. </pre > Yahoo! Mail Plus users may have to set POP server as plus.pop.mail.yahoo.com and SMTP server as plus.smtp.mail.yahoo.com. Note that you need to enable “Web & POP Access” in your Yahoo Mail account to send and receive Yahoo Mail messages through any other email program. You will have to enable “Allow your Yahoo Mail to be POPed” under “POP and Forwarding”, to send and receive Yahoo mails through any other email client. Cannot be done since 2002 unless the customer pays Yahoo a monthly fee to have access to SMTP and POP3 Microsoft Outlook Express Mail 1. Get the files to your PC. By whatever method get the files off your Amiga onto your PC. In the YAM folder you have a number of different folders, one for each of your folders in YAM. Inside that is a file usually some numbers such as 332423.283. YAM created a new file for every single email you received. 2. Open up a brand new Outlook Express. Just configure the account to use 127.0.0.1 as mail servers. It doesn't really matter. You will need to manually create any subfolders you used in YAM. 3. You will need to do a mass rename on all your email files from YAM. Just add a .eml to the end of it. Amazing how PCs still rely mostly on the file name so it knows what sort of file it is rather than just looking at it! There are a number of multiple renamers online to download and free too. 4. Go into each of your folders, inbox, sent items etc. And do a select all then drag the files into Outlook Express (to the relevant folder obviously) Amazingly the file format that YAM used is very compatible with .eml standard and viola your emails appear. With correct dates and working attachments. 5. If you want your email into Microsoft Outlook. Open that up and create a new profile and a new blank PST file. Then go into File Import and choose to import from Outlook Express. And the mail will go into there. And viola.. you have your old email from your Amiga in a more modern day format. ===FTP=== Magellan has a great FTP module. It allows transferring files from/to a FTP server over the Internet or the local network and, even if FTP is perceived as a "thing of the past", its usability is all inside the client. The FTP thing has a nice side effect too, since every Icaros machine can be a FTP server as well, and our files can be easily transferred from an Icaros machine to another with a little configuration effort. First of all, we need to know the 'server' IP address. Server is the Icaros machine with the file we are about to download on another Icaros machine, that we're going to call 'client'. To do that, move on the server machine and 1) run Prefs/Services to be sure "FTP file transfer" is enabled (if not, enable it and restart Icaros); 2) run a shell and enter this command: ifconfig -a Make a note of the IP address for the network interface used by the local area network. For cabled devices, it usually is net0:. Now go on the client machine and run Magellan: Perform these actions: 1) click on FTP; 2) click on ADDRESS BOOK; 3) click on "New". You can now add a new entry for your Icaros server machine: 1) Choose a name for your server, in order to spot it immediately in the address book. Enter the IP address you got before. 2) click on Custom Options: 1) go to Miscellaneous in the left menu; 2) Ensure "Passive Transfers" is NOT selected; 3) click on Use. We need to deactivate Passive Transfers because YAFS, the FTP server included in Icaros, only allows active transfers at the current stage. Now, we can finally connect to our new file source: 1) Look into the address book for the newly introduced server, be sure that name and IP address are right, and 2) click on Connect. A new lister with server's "MyWorkspace" contents will appear. You can now transfer files over the network choosing a destination among your local (client's) volumes. Can be adapted to any FTP client on any platform of your choice, just be sure your client allows Active Transfers as well. ===IRC Internet Relay Chat=== Jabberwocky is ideal for one-to-one social media communication, use IRC if you require one to many. Just type a message in ''lowercase''' letters and it will be posted to all in the [ AROS irc channel]. Please do not use UPPER CASE as it is a sign of SHOUTING which is annoying. Other things to type in - replace <message> with a line of text and <nick> with a person's name <pre> /help /list /who /whois <nick> /msg <nick> <message> /query <nick> <message>s /query /away <message> /away /quit <going away message> </pre> [http://irchelp.org/irchelp/new2irc.html#smiley Intro guide here]. IRC Primer can be found here in [http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/ircprimer.html html], [http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/text/ircprimer.txt TXT], [http://www.kei.com/irc/IRCprimer1.1.ps PostScript]. Issue the command /me <text> where <text> is the text that should follow your nickname. Example: /me slaps ajk around a bit with a large trout /nick <newNick> /nickserv register <password> <email address> /ns instead of /nickserv, while others might need /msg nickserv /nickserv identify <password> Alternatives: /ns identify <password> /msg nickserv identify <password> ==== IRC WookieChat ==== WookieChat is the most complete internet client for communication across the IRC Network. WookieChat allows you to swap ideas and communicate in real-time, you can also exchange Files, Documents, Images and everything else using the application's DCC capabilities. add smilies drawer/directory run wookiechat from the shell and set stack to 1000000 e.g. wookiechat stack 1000000 select a server / server window * nickname * user name * real name - optional Once you configure the client with your preferred screen name, you'll want to find a channel to talk in. servers * New Server - click on this to add / add extra - change details in section below this click box * New Group * Delete Entry * Connect to server * connect in new tab * perform on connect Change details * Servername - change text in this box to one of the below Server: * Port number - no need to change * Server password * Channel - add #channel from below * auto join - can click this * nick registration password, Click Connect to server button above <pre> Server: irc.freenode.net Channel: #aros </pre> irc://irc.freenode.net/aros <pre> Server: chat.amigaworld.net Channel: #amigaworld or #amigans </pre> <pre> On Sunday evenings USA time usually starting around 3PM EDT (1900 UTC) Server:irc.superhosts.net Channel #team*amiga </pre> <pre> BitlBee and Minbif are IRCd-like gateways to multiple IM networks Server: im.bitlbee.org Port 6667 Seems to be most useful on WookieChat as you can be connected to several servers at once. One for Bitlbee and any messages that might come through that. One for your normal IRC chat server. </pre> [http://www.bitlbee.org/main.php/servers.html Other servers], <pre> #Amiga.org - irc.synirc.net eu.synirc.net dissonance.nl.eu.synirc.net (IPv6: 2002:5511:1356:0:216:17ff:fe84:68a) twilight.de.eu.synirc.net zero.dk.eu.synirc.net us.synirc.net avarice.az.us.synirc.net envy.il.us.synirc.net harpy.mi.us.synirc.net liberty.nj.us.synirc.net snowball.mo.us.synirc.net - Ports 6660-6669 7001 (SSL) </pre> <pre> Multiple server support "Perform on connect" scripts and channel auto-joins Automatic Nickserv login Tabs for channels and private conversations CTCP PING, TIME, VERSION, SOUND Incoming and Outgoing DCC SEND file transfers Colours for different events Logging and automatic reloading of logs mIRC colour code filters Configurable timestamps GUI for changing channel modes easily Configurable highlight keywords URL Grabber window Optional outgoing swear word filter Event sounds for tabs opening, highlighted words, and private messages DCC CHAT support Doubleclickable URL's Support for multiple languages using LOCALE Clone detection Auto reconnection to Servers upon disconnection Command aliases Chat display can be toggled between AmIRC and mIRC style Counter for Unread messages Graphical nicklist and graphical smileys with a popup chooser </pre> ====IRC Aircos ==== Double click on Aircos icon in Extras:Networking/Apps/Aircos. It has been set up with a guest account for trial purposes. Though ideally, choose a nickname and password for frequent use of irc. ====IRC and XMPP Jabberwocky==== Servers are setup and close down at random You sign up to a server that someone else has setup and access chat services through them. The two ways to access chat from jabberwocky <pre > Jabberwocky -> Server -> XMPP -> open and ad-free Jabberwocky -> Server -> Transports (Gateways) -> Proprietary closed systems </pre > The Jabber.org service connects with all IM services that use XMPP, the open standard for instant messaging and presence over the Internet. The services we connect with include Google Talk (closed), Live Journal Talk, Nimbuzz, Ovi, and thousands more. However, you can not connect from Jabber.org to proprietary services like AIM, ICQ, MSN, Skype, or Yahoo because they don’t yet use XMPP components (XEP-0114) '''but''' you can use Jabber.com's servers and IM gateways (MSN, ICQ, Yahoo etc.) instead. The best way to use jabberwocky is in conjunction with a public jabber server with '''transports''' to your favorite services, like gtalk, Facebook, yahoo, ICQ, AIM, etc. You have to register with one of the servers, [https://list.jabber.at/ this list] or [http://www.jabberes.org/servers/ another list], [http://xmpp.net/ this security XMPP list], Unfortunately jabberwocky can only connect to one server at a time so it is best to check what services each server offers. If you set it up with separate Facebook and google talk accounts, for example, sometimes you'll only get one or the other. Jabberwocky open a window where the Jabber server part is typed in as well as your Nickname and Password. Jabber ID (JID) identifies you to the server and other users. Once registered the next step is to goto Jabberwocky's "Windows" menu and select the "Agents" option. The "Agents List" window will open. Roster (contacts list) [http://search.wensley.org.uk/ Chatrooms] (MUC) are available File Transfer - can send and receive files through the Jabber service but not with other services like IRC, ICQ, AIM or Yahoo. All you need is an installed webbrowser and OpenURL. Clickable URLs - The message window uses Mailtext.mcc and you can set a URL action in the MUI mailtext prefs like SYS:Utils/OpenURL %s NEWWIN. There is no consistent Skype like (H.323 VoIP) video conferencing available over Jabber. The move from xmpp to Jingle should help but no support on any amiga-like systems at the moment. [http://aminet.net/package/dev/src/AmiPhoneSrc192 AmiPhone] and [http://www.lysator.liu.se/%28frame,faq,nobg,useframes%29/ahi/v4-site/ Speak Freely] was an early attempt voice only contact. SIP and Asterisk are other PBX options. Facebook If you're using the XMPP transport provided by Facebook themselves, chat.facebook.com, it looks like they're now requiring SSL transport. This means jabberwocky method below will no longer work. The best thing to do is to create an ID on a public jabber server which has a Facebook gateway. <pre > 1. launch jabberwocky 2. if the login window doesn't appear on launch, select 'account' from the jabberwocky menu 3. your jabber ID will be user@chat.facebook.com where user is your user ID 4. your password is your normal facebook password 5. to save this for next time, click the popup gadget next to the ID field 6. click the 'add' button 7. click the 'close' button 8. click the 'connect' button </pre > you're done. you can also click the 'save as default account' button if you want. jabberwocky configured to auto-connect when launching the program, but you can configure as you like. there is amigaguide documentation included with jabberwocky. [http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=37085&forum=32 Read more here] for Facebook users, you can log-in directly to Facebook with jabberwocky. just sign in as @chat.facebook.com with your Facebook password as the password Twitter For a few years, there has been added a twitter transport. Servers include [http://jabber.hot-chilli.net/ jabber.hot-chili.net], and . An [http://jabber.hot-chilli.net/tag/how-tos/ How-to] :Read [http://jabber.hot-chilli.net/2010/05/09/twitter-transport-working/ more] Instagram no support at the moment best to use a web browser based client ICQ The new version (beta) of StriCQ uses a newer ICQ protocol. Most of the ICQ Jabber Transports still use an older ICQ protocol. You can only talk one-way to StriCQ using the older Transports. Only the newer ICQv7 Transport lets you talk both ways to StriCQ. Look at the server lists in the first section to check. Register on a Jabber server, e.g. this one works: http://www.jabber.de/ Then login into Jabberwocky with the following login data e.g. xxx@jabber.de / Password: xxx Now add your ICQ account under the window->Agents->"Register". Now Jabberwocky connects via the Jabber.de server with your ICQ account. Yahoo Messenger although yahoo! does not use xmpp protocol, you should be able to use the transport methods to gain access and post your replies MSN early months of 2013 Microsoft will ditch MSN Messenger client and force everyone to use Skype...but MSN protocol and servers will keep working as usual for quite a long time.... Occasionally the Messenger servers have been experiencing problems signing in. You may need to sign in at www.outlook.com and then try again. It may also take multiple tries to sign in. (This also affects you if you’re using Skype.) You have to check each servers' Agents List to see what transports (MSN protocol, ICQ protocol, etc.) are supported or use the list address' provided in the section above. Then register with each transport (IRC, MSN, ICQ, etc.) to which you need access. After registering you can Connect to start chatting. msn.jabber.com/registered should appear in the window. From this [http://tech.dir.groups.yahoo.com/group/amiga-jabberwocky/message/1378 JW group] guide which helps with this process in a clear, step by step procedure. 1. Sign up on MSN's site for a passport account. This typically involves getting a Hotmail address. 2. Log on to the Jabber server of your choice and do the following: * Select the "Windows/Agents" menu option in Jabberwocky. * Select the MSN Agent from the list presented by the server. * Click the Register button to open a new window asking for: **Username = passort account email address, typically your hotmail address. **Nick = Screen name to be shown to anyone you add to your buddy list. **Password = Password for your passport account/hotmail address. * Click the Register button at the bottom of the new window. 3. If all goes well, you will see the MSN Gateway added to your buddy list. If not, repeat part 2 on another server. Some servers may show MSN in their list of available agents, but have not updated their software for the latest protocols used by MSN. 4. Once you are registered, you can now add people to your buddy list. Note that you need to include the '''msn.''' ahead of the servername so that it knows what gateway agent to use. Some servers may use a slight variation and require '''msg.gate.''' before the server name, so try both to see what works. If my friend's msn was amiga@hotmail.co.uk and my jabber server was @jabber.meta.net.nz.. then amiga'''%'''hotmail.com@'''msn.'''jabber.meta.net.nz or another the trick to import MSN contacts is that you don't type the hotmail URL but the passport URL... e.g. Instead of: goodvibe%hotmail.com@msn.jabber.com You type: goodvibe%passport.com@msn.jabber.com And the thing about importing contacts I'm afraid you'll have to do it by hand, one at the time... Google Talk any XMPP server will work, but you have to add your contacts manually. a google talk user is typically either @gmail.com or @talk.google.com. a true gtalk transport is nice because it brings your contacts to you and (can) also support file transfers to/from google talk users. implement Jingle a set of extensions to the IETF's Extensible Messaging and Presence Protocol (XMPP) support ended early 2014 as Google moved to Google+ Hangouts which uses it own proprietary format ===Video Player MPlayer=== Many of the menu features (such as doubling) do not work with the current version of mplayer but using 4:3 mplayer -vf scale=800:600 file.avi 16:9 mplayer -vf scale=854:480 file.avi if you want gui use; mplayer -gui 1 <other params> file.avi <pre > stack 1000000 ; using AspireOS 1.xx ; copy FROM SYS:Extras/Multimedia/MPlayer/ TO RAM:MPlayer ALL CLONE > Nil: ; using Icaros Desktop 1.x ; copy FROM SYS:Tools/MPlayer/ TO RAM:MPlayer ALL CLONE > Nil: ; using Icaros Desktop 2.x ; copy FROM SYS:Utilities/MPlayer/ TO RAM:MPlayer ALL CLONE > Nil: cd RAM:MPlayer run MPlayer -gui > Nil: ;run MPlayer -gui -ao ahi_dev -playlist http://www.radio-paralax.de/listen.pls > Nil: </pre > $ mplayer rtsp://127.0.0.1:554/sample_300kbit.mp4 MPlayer supports multicast streaming, and rtp/rtsp protocols (it might require [http://www.live555.com/openRTSP/ live555 library] to work with some streams). But you might have to build it where it's disabled. Also, multicast won't work with some AmiTCP-likes. MIAMI supported it, though. AROS supports IPv4 (old but works) and this includes the needed address space for RTP. If you mean multicast via RTP - mplayer handles it. You can even force UDP over TCP -rtsp-stream-over-tcp If the rtsp Real Time Streaming Protocol server needs authentification: -user -passwd MPlayer - Menu - Open Playlist and load already downloaded .pls or .m3u file - auto starts around 4 percent cache MPlayer - Menu - Open Stream and copy one of the .pls lines below into space allowed, press OK and press play button on main gui interface Old 8bit 16bit remixes chip tune game music http://www.radio-paralax.de/listen.pls http://scenesat.com/ http://www.shoutcast.com/radio/Amiga http://www.theoldcomputer.com/retro_radio/RetroRadio_Main.htm http://www.kohina.com/ http://www.remix64.com/ http://retrogamer.net/forum/ http://retroasylum.podomatic.com/rss2.xml http://retrogamesquad.com/ http://www.retronauts.com/ http://monsterfeet.com/noquarter/ http://www.retrogamingradio.com/ http://www.radiofeeds.co.uk/mp3.asp [[#top|...to the top]] ====ZunePaint==== simplified typical workflow * importing and organizing and photo management * making global and regional local correction(s) - recalculation is necessary after each adjustment as it is not in real-time * exporting your images in the best format available with the preservation of metadata Whilst achieving 80% of a great photo with just a filter, the remaining 20% comes from a manual fine-tuning of specific image attributes. For photojournalism, documentary, and event coverage, minimal touching is recommended. Stick to Camera Raw for such shots, and limit changes to level adjustment, sharpness, noise reduction, and white balance correction. For fashion or portrait shoots, a large amount of adjustment is allowed and usually ends up far from the original. Skin smoothing, blemish removal, eye touch-ups, etc. are common. Might alter the background a bit to emphasize the subject. Product photography usually requires a lot of sharpening, spot removal, and focus stacking. For landscape shots, best results are achieved by doing the maximum amount of preparation before/while taking the shot. No amount of processing can match timing, proper lighting, correct gear, optimal settings, etc. Excessive post-processing might give you a dramatic shot but best avoided in the long term. * White Balance - Left Amiga or F12 and K and under "Misc color effects" tab with a pull down for White Balance - color temperature also known as AKA tint (movies) or tones (painting) - warm temp raise red reduce green blue - cool raise blue lower red green * Exposure - exposure compensation, highlight/shadow recovery * Noise Reduction - during RAW development or using external software * Lens Corrections - distortion, vignetting, chromatic aberrations * Detail - capture sharpening and local contrast enhancement * Contrast - black point, levels (sliders) and curves tools (F12 and K) * Framing - straighten () and crop (F12 and F) * Refinements - color adjustments and selective enhancements - Left Amiga or F12 and K for RGB and YUV histogram tabs - * Resizing - enlarge for a print or downsize for the web or email (F12 and D) * Output Sharpening - customized for your subject matter and print/screen size White Balance - F12 and K scan your image for a shade which was meant to be white (neutral with each RGB value being equal) like paper or plastic which is in the same light as the subject of the picture. Use the dropper tool to select this color, similar colours will shift and you will have selected the perfect white balance for your part of the image - for the whole picture make sure RAZ or CLR button at the bottom is pressed before applying to the image above. Exposure correction F12 and K - YUV Y luminosity - RGB extra red tint - move red curve slightly down and move blue green curves slightly up Workflows in practice * Undo - Right AROS key or F12 and Z * Redo - Right AROS key or F12 and R First flatten your image (if necessary) and then do a rotation until the picture looks level. * Crop the picture. Click the selection button and drag a box over the area of the picture you want to keep. Press the crop button and the rest of the photo will be gone. * Adjust your saturation, exposure, hue levels, etc., (right AROS Key and K for color correction) until you are happy with the photo. Make sure you zoom in all of the way to 100% and look the photo over, zoom back out and move around. Look for obvious problems with the picture. * After coloring and exposure do a sharpen (Right AROS key and E for Convolution and select drop down option needed), e.g. set the matrix to 5x5 (roughly equivalent Amount to 60%) and set the Radius to 1.0. Click OK. And save your picture Implemented or would like to see for simplification and ease of use basic filters (presets) like black and white, monochrome, edge detection (sobel), motion/gaussian blur, * negative, sepiatone, retro vintage, night vision, colour tint, color gradient, color temperature, glows, fire, lightning, lens flare, emboss, filmic, pixelate mezzotint, antialias, etc. adjust / cosmetic tools such as crop, * reshaping tools, straighten, smear, smooth, perspective, liquify, bloat, pucker, push pixels in any direction, dispersion, transform like warp, blending with soft light, page-curl, whirl, ripple, fisheye, neon, etc. * red eye fixing, blemish remover, skin smoothing, teeth whitener, make eyes look brighter, desaturate, effects like oil paint, cartoon, pencil sketch, charcoal, noise/matrix like sharpen/unsharpen, (right AROS key with A for Artistic effects) * blend two image, gradient blend, masking blend, explode, implode, custom collage, surreal painting, comic book style, needlepoint, stained glass, watercolor, mosaic, stencil/outline, crayon, chalk, etc. borders such as * dropshadow, rounded, blurred, color tint, picture frame, film strip polaroid, bevelled edge, etc. brushes e.g. * frost, smoke, etc. and manual control of fix lens issues including vignetting (darkening), color fringing and barrel distortion, and chromatic and geometric aberration - lens and body profiles perspective correction levels - directly modify the levels of the tone-values of an image, by using sliders for highlights, midtones and shadows curves - Color Adjustment and Brightness/Contrast color balance one single color transparent (alpha channel (color information/selections) for masking and/or blending ) for backgrounds, etc. Threshold indicates how much other colors will be considered mixture of the removed color and non-removed colors decompose layer into a set of layers with each holding a different type of pattern that is visible within the image any selection using any selecting tools like lasso tool, marquee tool etc. the selection will temporarily be save to alpha If you create your image without transparency then the Alpha channel is not present, but you can add later. File formats like .psd (Photoshop file has layers, masks etc. contains edited sensor data. The original sensor data is no longer available) .xcf .raw .hdr Image Picture Formats * low dynamic range (JPEG, PNG, TIFF 8-bit), 16-bit (PPM, TIFF), typically as a 16-bit TIFF in either ProPhoto or AdobeRGB colorspace - TIFF files are also fairly universal – although, if they contain proprietary data, such as Photoshop Adjustment Layers or Smart Filters, then they can only be opened by Photoshop making them proprietary. * linear high dynamic range (HDR) images (PFM, [http://www.openexr.com/ ILM .EXR], jpg, [http://aminet.net/util/dtype cr2] (canon tiff based), hdr, NEF, CRW, ARW, MRW, ORF, RAF (Fuji), PEF, DCR, SRF, ERF, DNG files are RAW converted to an Adobe proprietary format - a container that can embed the raw file as well as the information needed to open it) An old version of [http://archives.aros-exec.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/convert dcraw] There is no single RAW file format. Each camera manufacturer has one or more unique RAW formats. RAW files contain the brightness levels data captured by the camera sensor. This data cannot be modified. A second smaller file, separate XML file, or within a database with instructions for the RAW processor to change exposure, saturation etc. The extra data can be changed but the original sensor data is still there. RAW is technically least compatible. A raw file is high-bit (usually 12 or 14 bits of information) but a camera-generated TIFF file will be usually converted by the camera (compressed, downsampled) to 8 bits. The raw file has no embedded color balance or color space, but the TIFF has both. These three things (smaller bit depth, embedded color balance, and embedded color space) make it so that the TIFF will lose quality more quickly with image adjustments than the raw file. The camera-generated TIFF image is much more like a camera processed JPEG than a raw file. A strong advantage goes to the raw file. The power of RAW files, such as the ability to set any color temperature non-destructively and will contain more tonal values. The principle of preserving the maximum amount of information to as late as possible in the process. The final conversion - which will always effectively represent a "downsampling" - should prevent as much loss as possible. Once you save it as TIFF, you throw away some of that data irretrievably. When saving in the lossy JPEG format, you get tremendous file size savings, but you've irreversibly thrown away a lot of image data. As long as you have the RAW file, original or otherwise, you have access to all of the image data as captured. Keyboard equivalence with Photoshop(tm) would help File PHOTOSHOP SHORTCUT GIMP New Ctrl+n New Open Ctrl+o Open Close Ctrl+w Close Save Ctrl+s Save Save as Shift+Ctrl+s Save as Revert F12 Revert Print Ctrl+p Print Exit Ctrl+q Quit Edit PHOTOSHOP SHORTCUT GIMP Undo/Redo (1 level) Ctrl+z Undo (Redo is Shift+Ctrl+z) Cut Ctrl+x Cut Copy Ctrl+c Copy Paste Ctrl+v Paste Paste Into Shift+Ctrl+v Paste Into Fill with FG color Alt+Backspace Fill with FG color Fill with BG color Control+Backspace Fill with BG color Image/Colors PHOTOSHOP SHORTCUT GIMP Levels Ctrl+l Levels Auto Contrast Shift+Ctrl+Alt+l Stretch Contrast (same?) Curves Ctrl+m Curves Color Balance Ctrl+b Color Balance Hue/Saturation Ctrl+u Hue-Saturation Desaturate Shift+Ctrl+u Desaturate Invert Ctrl+i Invert Default Colors d Default Colors Switch Colors x Switch Colors Layer PHOTOSHOP SHORTCUT GIMP New Layer Shift+Ctrl+n New Layer Layer via Copy Ctrl+j Duplicate Layer Bring (layer) to Front Shift+Ctrl+] Layer to Top Send (layer) to Back Shift+Ctrl+[ Layer to Bottom Bring (layer) Forward Ctrl+] Raise Layer Send (layer) Backward Ctrl+[ Lower Layer Select Top Layer Shift+Alt+] Select Top Layer Select Bottom Layer Shift+Alt+[ Select Bottom Layer Select One Layer Forward Alt+] Select Previous Layer Select One Layer Backward Alt+[ Select Next Layer Merge Down Ctrl+e Merge Down Merge Visible Shift+Ctrl+e Merge Visible Preserve Transparency / Keep Transparency Cycle Modes Forwards Shift+= Next Layer Mode Cycle Modes Backwards Shift+- Previous Layer Mode Select PHOTOSHOP SHORTCUT GIMP Select All Ctrl+a Select All Deselect Ctrl+d Select None Inverse Shift+Ctrl+i Invert Feather Ctrl+Alt+d Feather View PHOTOSHOP SHORTCUT GIMP Zoom In Ctrl+= Zoom In Zoom Out Ctrl+- Zoom Out Fit on Screen Ctrl+0 Zoom to Fit Window Actual Pixels Ctrl+Alt+0 Zoom 1:1 Show/Hide Extras Ctrl+h Toggle Show Selection (close enough?) Show/Hide Guides Ctrl+' Toggle Show Guides Show/Hide Grid Ctrl+Alt+' Toggle Show Grid Show/Hide Rulers Ctrl+r Toggle Show Rulers Snap Ctrl+; Snap to Guides Scroll View Up Page Up Scroll Page Up Scroll View Down Page Down Scroll Page Down Scroll View Left Ctrl+Page Up Scroll Page Left Scroll View Right Ctrl+Page Down Scroll Page Right Window/Dialogs PHOTOSHOP SHORTCUT GIMP ? F5 Tools Dialog Color Tab F6 Colors Dialog Layers Tab F7 Layers Dialog Info Tab F8 Image Information Tools PHOTOSHOP SHORTCUT GIMP Rectangular Marquee Tool m Rect Select Tool Elliptical Marquee Tool Shift+m Ellipse Select Tool *This is a toggle between 'Elliptical Marquee Tool' and 'Rectangular Marquee Tool' in Photoshop Move Tool v Move Tool Lasso Tool l Free Select Tool Magic Wand Tool w Fuzzy Select Tool Crop Tool c Crop & Resize Tool Airbrush Tool j Airbrush Tool Paintbrush Tool b Paintbrush Tool Clone Stamp Tool s Clone Stamp Tool Eraser Tool e Eraser Tool Gradient Tool g Blend Tool Paint Bucket Tool Shift+g Bucket Fill Tool *This is a toggle between 'Paint Bucket Tool' and 'Gradient Tool' in Photoshop Blur Tool r Convolve Tool Dodge Tool o DodgeBurn Tool Type Tool t Text Tool Pen Tool p Bezier Select Tool Eye Dropper Tool i Color Picker Tool Zoom Tool z Magnify Tool Previous Brush , Previous Brush Next Brush . Next Brush First Brush Shift+< First Brush Last Brush Shift+> Last Brush Decrease Brush Size [ Decrease Brush Size Increase Brush Size ] Increase Brush Size Decrease Brush Hardness { Decrease Brush Hardness Increase Brush Hardness } Increase Brush Hardness Help PHOTOSHOP SHORTCUT GIMP Help F1 Help Context Help Shift+F1 Context Help Misc. PHOTOSHOP SHORTCUT GIMP Last Filter Ctrl+f Repeat Last Filter ? Shift+Ctrl+f Reshow Last Filter Preferences Ctrl+k Preferences Liquify Shift+Ctrl+x IWarp (close enough?) Toggle Quick Mask q Toggle Quick Mask Spotlights - triangle of white opaque shape Cutting out and/or replacing unwanted background or features - select large areas with the selection option like the Magic Wand tool (aka Color Range) or the Lasso (quick and fast) with feather 2 to soften edge or the pen tool which adds points/lines/Bézier curves (better control but slower), hold down the shift button as you click to add extra points/areas of the subject matter to remove. Increase the tolerance to cover more areas. To subtract from your selection hold down alt as you're clicking. * Layer masks are a better way of working than Erase they clip (black hides/hidden white visible/reveal). Clone Stamp can be simulated by and brushes for other areas. * Leave the fine details like hair, fur, etc. to later with lasso and the shift key to draw a line all the way around your subject. Gradient Mapping - Inverse - Mask. i.e. Refine your selected image with edge detection and using the radius and edge options / adjuster (increase/decrease contrast) so that you will capture more fine detail from the background allowing easier removal. Remove fringe/halo saving image as png rather than jpg/jpeg to keep transparency background intact. Implemented [http://colorizer.org/ colour model representations] [http://paulbourke.net/texture_colour/colourspace/ Mathematical approach] - Photo stills are spatially 2d (h and w), but are colorimetrically 3d (r g and b, or H L S, or Y U V etc.) as well. * RGB - split cubed mapped color model for photos and computer graphics hardware using the light spectrum (adding and subtracting) * YUV - Y-Lightness U-blue/yellow V-red/cyan (similar to YPbPr and YCbCr) used in the PAL, NTSC, and SECAM composite digital TV color [http://crewofone.com/2012/chroma-subsampling-and-transcoding/#comment-7299 video] Histograms White balanced (neutral) if the spike happens in the same place in each channel of the RGB graphs. If not, you're not balanced. If you have sky you'll see the blue channel further off to the right. RGB is best one to change colours. These elements RGB is a 3-channel format containing data for Red, Green, and Blue in your photo scale between 0 and 255. The area in a picture that appears to be brighter/whiter contains more red color as compared to the area which is relatively darker. Similarly in the green channel the area that appears to be darker contains less amount of green color as compared to the area that appears to be brighter. Similarly in the blue channel the area appears to be darker contains less amount of blue color as compared to the area that appears to be brighter. Brightness luminance histogram also matches the green histogram more than any other color - human eye interprets green better e.g. RGB rough ratio 15/55/30% RGBA (RGB+A, A means alpha channel) . The alpha channel is used for "alpha compositing", which can mostly be associated as "opacity". AROS deals in RGB with two digits for every color (red, green, blue), in ARGB you have two additional hex digits for the alpha channel. The shadows are represented by the left third of the graph. The highlights are represented by the right third. And the midtones are, of course, in the middle. The higher the black peaks in the graph, the more pixels are concentrated in that tonal range (total black area). By moving the black endpoint, which identifies the shadows (darkness) and a white light endpoint (brightness) up and down either sides of the graph, colors are adjusted based on these points. By dragging the central one, can increased the midtones and control the contrast, raise shadows levels, clip or softly eliminate unsafe levels, alter gamma, etc... in a way that is much more precise and creative . RGB Curves * Move left endpoint (black point) up or right endpoint (white point) up brightens * Move left endpoint down or right endpoint down darkens Color Curves * Dragging up on the Red Curve increases the intensity of the reds in the image but * Dragging down on the Red Curve decreases the intensity of the reds and thus increases the apparent intensity of its complimentary color, cyan. Green’s complimentary color is magenta, and blue’s is yellow. <pre> Red <-> Cyan Green <->Magenta Blue <->Yellow </pre> YUV Best option to analyse and pull out statistical elements of any picture (i.e. separate luminance data from color data). The line in Y luma tone box represents the brightness of the image with the point in the bottom left been black, and the point in the top right as white. A low-contrast image has a concentrated clump of values nearer to the center of the graph. By comparison, a high-contrast image has a wider distribution of values across the entire width of the Histogram. A histogram that is skewed to the right would indicate a picture that is a bit overexposed because most of the color data is on the lighter side (increase exposure with higher value F), while a histogram with the curve on the left shows a picture that is underexposed. This is good information to have when using post-processing software because it shows you not only where the color data exists for a given picture, but also where any data has been clipped (extremes on edges of either side): that is, it does not exist and, therefore, cannot be edited. By dragging the endpoints of the line and as well as the central one, can increased the dark/shadows, midtones and light/bright parts and control the contrast, raise shadows levels, clip or softly eliminate unsafe levels, alter gamma, etc... in a way that is much more precise and creative . The U and V chroma parts show color difference components of the image. It’s useful for checking whether or not the overall chroma is too high, and also whether it’s being limited too much Can be used to create a negative image but also With U (Cb), the higher value you are, the more you're on the blue primary color. If you go to the low values then you're on blue complementary color, i.e. yellow. With V (Cr), this is the same principle but with Red and Cyan. e.g. If you push U full blue and V full red, you get magenta. If you push U full yellow and V full Cyan then you get green. YUV simultaneously adds to one side of the color equation while subtracting from the other. using YUV to do color correction can be very problematic because each curve alters the result of each other: the mutual influence between U and V often makes things tricky. You may also be careful in what you do to avoid the raise of noise (which happens very easily). Best results are obtained with little adjustments sunset that looks uninspiring and needs some color pop especially for the rays over the hill, a subtle contrast raise while setting luma values back to the legal range without hard clipping. ====Lunapaint==== Pixel based drawing app with onion-skin animation function Blocking, Shading, Coloring, adding detail <pre> b BRUSH e ERASER alt eyedropper v layer tool z ZOOM / MAGNIFY < > n spc panning m marque q lasso w same color selection / region </pre> <pre> , LM RM v V f filter F . size p , pick color [] last / next color </pre> There is not much missing in Lunapaint to be as good as FlipBook and then you have to take into account that Flipbook is considered to be amongst the best and easiest to use animation software out there. Ok to be honest Flipbook has some nice features that require more heavy work but those aren't so much needed right away, things like camera effects, sound, smart fill, export to different movie file formats etc. Tried Flipbook with my tablet and compared it to Luna. The feeling is the same when sketching. LunaPaint is very responsive/fluent to draw with. Just as Flipbook is, and that responsiveness is something its users have mentioned as one of the positive sides of said software. author was learning MUI. Some parts just have to be rewritten with proper MUI classes before new features can be added. * add [Frame Add] / [Frame Del] * whole animation feature is impossible to use. If you draw 2 color maybe but if you start coloring your cells then you get in trouble * pickup the entire image as a brush, not just a selection ? And consequently remove the brush from memory when one doesn't need it anymore. can pick up a brush and put it onto a new image but cropping isn't possible, nor to load/save brushes. * Undo is something I longed for ages in Lunapaint. * to import into the current layer, other types of images (e.g. JPEG) besides RAW64. * implement graphic tablet features support **GENERAL DRAWING** Miss it very much: UNDO ERASER COLORPICKER - has to show on palette too which color got picked. BACKGROUND COLOR -Possibility to select from "New project screen" Miss it somewhat: ICON for UNDO ICON for ERASER ICON for CLEAR SCREEN ( What can I say? I start over from scratch very often ) BRUSH - possibility to cut out as brush not just copy off image to brush **ANIMATING** Miss it very much: NUMBER OF CELLS - Possibity to change total no. of cells during project ANIM BRUSH - Possibility to pick up a selected part of cells into an animbrush Miss it somewhat: ADD/REMOVE FRAMES: Add/remove single frame In general LunaPaint is really well done and it feels like a new DeluxePaint version. It works with my tablet. Sure there's much missing of course but things can always be added over time. So there is great potential in LunaPaint that's for sure. Animations could be made in it and maybe put together in QuickVideo, saving in .gif or .mng etc some day. LAYERS -Layers names don't get saved globally in animation frames -Layers order don't change globally in an animation (perhaps as default?). EXPORTING IMAGES -Exporting frames to JPG/PNG gives problems with colors. (wrong colors. See my animatiopn --> My robot was blue now it's "gold" ) I think this only happens if you have layers. -Trying to flatten the layers before export doesn't work if you have animation frames only the one you have visible will flatten properly all other frames are destroyed. (Only one of the layers are visible on them) -Exporting images filenames should be for example e.g. file0001, file0002...file0010 instead as of now file1, file2...file10 LOAD/SAVE (Preferences) -Make a setting for the default "Work" folder. * Destroyed colors if exported image/frame has layers * mystic color cycling of the selected color while stepping frames back/forth (annoying) <pre> Deluxe Paint II enhanced key shortcuts NOTE: @ denotes the ALT key [Technique] F1 - Paint F2 - Single Colour F3 - Replace F4 - Smear F5 - Shade F6 - Cycle F7 - Smooth M - Colour Cycle [Brush] B - Restore O - Outline h - Halve brush size H - Double brush size x - Flip brush on X axis X - Double brush size on X axis only y - Flip on Y Y - Double on Y z - Rotate brush 90 degrees Z - Stretch [Stencil] ` - Stencil On [Miscellaneous] F9 - Info Bar F10 - Selection Bar @o - Co-Ordinates @a - Anti-alias @r - Colourise @t - Translucent TAB - Colour Cycle [Picture] L - Load S - Save j - Page to Spare(Flip) J - Page to Spare(Copy) V - View Page Q - Quit [General Keys] m - Magnify < - Zoom In > - Zoom Out [ - Palette Colour Up ] - Palette Colour Down ( - Palette Colour Left ) - Palette Colour Right , - Eye Dropper . - Pixel / Brush Toggle / - Symmetry | - Co-Ordinates INS - Perspective Control +/- - Brush Size (Fine Control) w - Unfilled Polygon W - Filled Polygon e - Unfilled Ellipse E - Filled Ellipse r - Unfilled Rectangle R - Filled Rectangle t - Type/text tool a - Select Font u/U - Undo d - Brush D - Filled Non-Uniform Polygon f/F - Fill Options g/G - Grid h/H - Brush Size (Coarse Control) K - Clear c - Unfilled Circle C - Filled Circle v - Line b - Scissor Select and Toggle B - Brush {,} - Toggle between two background colours </pre> ====Lodepaint==== Pixel based painting artwork app ====Grafx2==== Pixel based painting artwork app aesprite like [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59Y6OTzNrhk aesprite workflow keys and tablet use], [], ====Vector Graphics ZuneFIG==== Vector Image Editing of files .svg .ps .eps *Objects - raise lower rotate flip aligning snapping *Path - unify subtract intersect exclude divide *Colour - fill stroke *Stroke - size *Brushes - *Layers - *Effects - gaussian bevels glows shadows *Text - *Transform - AmiFIG ([http://epb.lbl.gov/xfig/frm_introduction.html xfig manual]) [[File:MyScreen.png|thumb|left|alt=Showing all Windows open in AmiFIG.|All windows available to AmiFIG.]] for drawing simple to intermediate vector graphic images for scientific and technical uses and for illustration purposes for those with talent ;Menu options * Load - fig format but import(s) SVG * Save - fig format but export(s) eps, ps, pdf, svg and png * PAN = Ctrl + Arrow keys * Deselect all points There is no selected object until you apply the tool, and the selected object is not highlighted. ;Metrics - to set up page and styles - first window to open on new drawings ;Tools - Drawing Primitives - set Attributes window first before clicking any Tools button(s) * Shapes - circles, ellipses, arcs, splines, boxes, polygon * Lines - polylines * Text "T" button * Photos - bitmaps * Compound - Glue, Break, Scale * POINTs - Move, Add, Remove * Objects - Move, Copy, Delete, Mirror, Rotate, Paste use right mouse button to stop extra lines, shapes being formed and the left mouse to select/deselect tools button(s) * Rotate - moves in 90 degree turns centered on clicked POINT of a polygon or square ;Attributes which provide change(s) to the above primitives * Color * Line Width * Line Style * arrowheads ;Modes Choose from freehand, charts, figures, magnet, etc. ;Library - allows .fig clip-art to be stored * compound tools to add .fig(s) together ;FIG 3.2 [http://epb.lbl.gov/xfig/fig-format.html Format] as produced by xfig version 3.2.5 <pre> Landscape Center Inches Letter 100.00 Single -2 1200 2 4 0 0 50 -1 0 12 0.0000 4 135 1050 1050 2475 This is a test.01 </pre> # change the text alignment within the textbox. I can choose left, center, or right aligned by either changing the integer in the second column from 0 (left) to 1 or 2 (center, or right). # The third integer in the row specifies fontcolor. For instance, 0 is black, but blue is 1 and Green3 is 13. # The sixth integer in the bottom row specifies fontface. 0 is Times-Roman, but 16 is Helvetica (a MATLAB default). # The seventh number is fontsize. 12 represents a 12pt fontsize. Changing the fontsize of an item really is as easy as changing that number to 20. # The next number is the counter-clockwise angle of the text. Notice that I have changed the angle to .7854 (pi/4 rounded to four digits=45 degrees). # twelfth number is the position according to the standard “x-axis” in Xfig units from the left. Note that 1200 Xfig units is equivalent to once inch. # thirteenth number is the “y-position” from the top using the same unit convention as before. * The nested text string is what you entered into the textbox. * The “01″ present at the end of that line in the .fig file is the closing tag. For instance, a change to \100 appends a @ symbol at the end of the period of that sentence. ; Just to note there are no layers, no 3d functions, no shading, no transparency, no animation [[#top|...to the top]] ===Audio=== # AHI uses linear panning/balance, which means that in the center, you will get -6dB. If an app uses panning, this is what you will get. Note that apps like Audio Evolution need panning, so they will have this problem. # When using AHI Hifi modes, mixing is done in 32-bit and sent as 32-bit data to the driver. The Envy24HT driver uses that to output at 24-bit (always). # For the Envy24/Envy24HT, I've made 16-bit and 24-bit inputs (called Line-in 16-bit, Line-in 24-bit etc.). There is unfortunately no app that can handle 24-bit recording. ====Music Mods==== Digital module (mods) trackers are music creation software using samples and sometimes soundfonts, audio plugins (VST, AU or RTAS), MIDI. Generally, MODs are similar to MIDI in that they contain note on/off and other sequence messages that control the mod player. Unlike (most) midi files, however, they also contain sound samples that the sequence information actually plays. MOD files can have many channels (classic amiga mods have 4, corresponding to the inbuilt sound channels), but unlike MIDI, each channel can typically play only one note at once. However, since that note might be a sample of a chord, a drumloop or other complex sound, this is not as limiting as it sounds. Like MIDI, notes will play indefinitely if they're not instructed to end. Most trackers record this information automatically if you play your music in live. If you're using manual note entry, you can enter a note-off command with a keyboard shortcut - usually Caps Lock. In fact when considering file size MOD is not always the best option. Even a dummy song wastes few kilobytes for nothing when a simple SID tune could be few hundreds bytes and not bigger than 64kB. AHX is another small format, AHX tunes are never larger than 64kB excluding comments. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXXsZfwgil Protrekkr] (previously aka [w:Juan_Antonio_Arguelles_Rius|NoiseTrekkr]) If Protrekkr does not start, please check if the Unit 0 has been setup in the AHI prefs and still not, go to the directory utilities/protrekkr and double click on the Protrekkr icon *Sample *Note - Effect *Track (column) - Pattern - Order It all starts with the Sample which is used to create Note(s) in a Track (column of a tracker) The Note can be changed with an Effect. A Track of Note(s) can be collected into a Pattern (section of a song) and these can be given Order to create the whole song. Patience (notes have to be entered one at a time) or playing the bassline on a midi controller (faster - see midi section above). Best approach is to wait until a melody popped into your head. *Up-tempo means the track should be reasonably fast, but not super-fast. *Groovy and funky imply the track should have some sort of "swing" feel, with plenty of syncopation or off beat emphasis and a recognizable, melodic bass line. *Sweet and happy mean upbeat melodies, a major key and avoiding harsh sounds. *Moody - minor key First, create a quick bass sound, which is basically a sine wave, but can be hand drawn for a little more variance. It could also work for the melody part, too. This is usually a bass guitar or some kind of synthesizer bass. The bass line is often forgotten by inexperienced composers, but it plays an important role in a musical piece. Together with the rhythm section the bass line forms the groove of a song. It's the glue between the rhythm section and the melodic layer of a song. The drums are just pink noise samples, played at different frequencies to get a slightly different sound for the kick, snare, and hihats. Instruments that fall into the rhythm category are bass drums, snares, hi-hats, toms, cymbals, congas, tambourines, shakers, etc. Any percussive instrument can be used to form part of the rhythm section. The lead is the instrument that plays the main melody, on top of the chords. There are many instruments that can play a lead section, like a guitar, a piano, a saxophone or a flute. The list is almost endless. There is a lot of overlap with instruments that play chords. Often in one piece an instrument serves both roles. The lead melody is often played at a higher pitch than the chords. Listened back to what was produced so far, and a counter-melody can be imagined, which can be added with a triangle wave. To give the ends of phrases some life, you can add a solo part with a crunchy synth. By hitting random notes in the key of G, then edited a few of them. For the climax of the song, filled out the texture with a gentle high-pitch pad… …and a grungy bass synth. The arrow at A points at the pattern order list. As you see, the patterns don't have to be in numerical order. This song starts with pattern "00", then pattern "02", then "03", then "01", etcetera. Patterns may be repeated throughout a song. The B arrow points at the song title. Below it are the global BPM and speed parameters. These determine the tempo of the song, unless the tempo is altered through effect commands during the song. The C arrow points at the list of instruments. An instrument may consist of multiple samples. Which sample will be played depends on the note. This can be set in the Instrument Editing screen. Most instruments will consist of just one sample, though. The sample list for the selected instrument can be found under arrow D. Here's a part of the main editing screen. This is where you put in actual notes. Up to 32 channels can be used, meaning 32 sounds can play simultaneously. The first six channels of pattern "03" at order "02" are shown here. The arrow at A points at the row number. The B arrow points at the note to play, in this case a C4. The column pointed at by the C arrow tells us which instrument is associated with that note, in this case instrument #1 "Kick". The column at D is used (mainly) for volume commands. In this case it is left empty which means the instrument should play at its default volume. You can see the volume column being used in channel #6. The E column tells us which effect to use and any parameters for that effect. In this case it holds the "F" effect, which is a tempo command. The "04" means it should play at tempo 4 (a smaller number means faster). Base pattern When I create a new track I start with what I call the base pattern. It is worthwhile to spend some time polishing it as a lot of the ideas in the base pattern will be copied and used in other patterns. At least, that's how I work. Every musician will have his own way of working. In "Wild Bunnies" the base pattern is pattern "03" at order "02". In the section about selecting samples I talked about the four different categories of instruments: drums, bass, chords and leads. That's also how I usually go about making the base pattern. I start by making a drum pattern, then add a bass line, place some chords and top it off with a lead. This forms the base pattern from which the rest of the song will grow. Drums Here's a screenshot of the first four rows of the base pattern. I usually reserve the first four channels or so for the drum instruments. Right away there are a couple of tricks shown here. In the first channel the kick, or bass drum, plays some notes. Note the alternating F04 and F02 commands. The "F" command alters the tempo of the song and by quickly alternating the tempo; the song will get some kind of "swing" feel. In the second channel the closed hi-hat plays a fairly simple pattern. Further down in the channel, not shown here, some open hi-hat notes are added for a bit of variation. In the third and fourth channel the snare sample plays. The "8" command is for panning. One note is panned hard to the left and the other hard to the right. One sample is played a semitone lower than the other. This results in a cool flanging effect. It makes the snare stand out a little more in the mix. Bass line There are two different instruments used for the bass line. Instrument #6 is a pretty standard synthesized bass sound. Instrument #A sounds a bit like a slap bass when used with a quick fade out. By using two different instruments the bass line sounds a bit more ”human”. The volume command is used to cut off the notes. However, it is never set to zero. Setting the volume to a very small value will result in a reverb-like effect. This makes the song sound more "live". The bass line hints at the chords that will be played and the key the song will be in. In this case the key of the song is D-major, a positive and happy key. Chords The D major chords that are being played here are chords stabs; short sounds with a quick decay (fade out). Two different instruments (#8 and #9) are used to form the chords. These instruments are quite similar, but have a slightly different sound, panning and volume decay. Again, the reason for this is to make the sound more human. The volume command is used on some chords to simulate a delay, to achieve more of a live feel. The chords are placed off-beat making for a funky rhythm. Lead Finally the lead melody is added. The other instruments are invaluable in holding the track together, but the lead melody is usually what catches people's attention. A lot of notes and commands are used here, but it looks more complex than it is. A stepwise ascending melody plays in channel 13. Channel 14 and 15 copy this melody, but play it a few rows later at a lower volume. This creates an echo effect. A bit of panning is used on the notes to create some stereo depth. Like with the bass line, instead of cutting off notes the volume is set to low values for a reverb effect. The "461" effect adds a little vibrato to the note, which sounds nice on sustained notes. Those paying close attention may notice the instrument used here for the lead melody is the same as the one used for the bass line (#6 "Square"), except played two or three octaves higher. This instrument is a looped square wave sample. Each type of wave has its own quirks, but the square wave (shown below) is a really versatile wave form. Song structure Good, catchy songs are often carefully structured into sections, some of which are repeated throughout the song with small variations. A typical pop-song structure is: Intro - Verse - Chorus - Verse - Chorus - Bridge - Chorus. Other single sectional song structures are <pre> Strophic or AAA Song Form - oldest story telling with refrain (often title of the song) repeated in every verse section melody AABA Song Form - early popular, jazz and gospel fading during the 1960s AB or Verse/Chorus Song Form - songwriting format of choice for modern popular music since the 1960s Verse/Chorus/Bridge Song Form ABAB Song Form ABAC Song Form ABCD Song Form AAB 12-Bar Song Form - three four-bar lines or sub-sections 8-Bar Song Form 16-Bar Song Form Hybrid / Compound Song Forms </pre> The most common building blocks are: #INTRODUCTION(INTRO) #VERSE #REFRAIN #PRE-CHORUS / RISE / CLIMB #CHORUS #BRIDGE #MIDDLE EIGHT #SOLO / INSTRUMENTAL BREAK #COLLISION #CODA / OUTRO #AD LIB (OFTEN IN CODA / OUTRO) The chorus usually has more energy than the verse and often has a memorable melody line. As the chorus is repeated the most often during the song, it will be the part that people will remember. The bridge often marks a change of direction in the song. It is not uncommon to change keys in the bridge, or at least to use a different chord sequence. The bridge is used to build up tension towards the big finale, the last repetition of chorus. Playing RCTRL: Play song from row 0. LSHIFT + RCTRL: Play song from current row. RALT: Play pattern from row 0. LSHIFT + RALT: Play pattern from current row. Left mouse on '>': Play song from row 0. Right mouse on '>': Play song from current row. Left mouse on '|>': Play pattern from row 0. Right mouse on '|>': Play pattern from current row. Left mouse on 'Edit/Record': Edit mode on/off. Right mouse on 'Edit/Record': Record mode on/off. Editing LSHIFT + ESCAPE: Switch large patterns view on/off TAB: Go to next track LSHIFT + TAB: Go to prev. track LCTRL + TAB: Go to next note in track LCTRL + LSHIFT + TAB: Go to prev. note in track SPACE: Toggle Edit mode On & Off (Also stop if the song is being played) SHIFT SPACE: Toggle Record mode On & Off (Wait for a key note to be pressed or a midi in message to be received) DOWN ARROW: 1 Line down UP ARROW: 1 Line up LEFT ARROW: 1 Row left RIGHT ARROW: 1 Row right PREV. PAGE: 16 Arrows Up NEXT PAGE: 16 Arrows Down HOME / END: Top left / Bottom right of pattern LCTRL + HOME / END: First / last track F5, F6, F7, F8, F9: Jump to 0, 1/4, 2/4, 3/4, 4/4 lines of the patterns + - (Numeric keypad): Next / Previous pattern LCTRL + LEFT / RIGHT: Next / Previous pattern LCTRL + LALT + LEFT / RIGHT: Next / Previous position LALT + LEFT / RIGHT: Next / Previous instrument LSHIFT + M: Toggle mute state of the current channel LCTRL + LSHIFT + M: Solo the current track / Unmute all LSHIFT + F1 to F11: Select a tab/panel LCTRL + 1 to 4: Select a copy buffer Tracking 1st and 2nd keys rows: Upper octave row 3rd and 4th keys rows: Lower octave row RSHIFT: Insert a note off / and * (Numeric keypad) or F1 F2: -1 or +1 octave INSERT / BACKSPACE: Insert or Delete a line in current track or current selected block. LSHIFT + INSERT / BACKSPACE: Insert or Delete a line in current pattern DELETE (NOT BACKSPACE): Empty a column or a selected block. Blocks (Blocks can also be selected with the mouse by holding the right button and scrolling the pattern with the mouse wheel). LCTRL + A: Select entire current track LCTRL + LSHIFT + A: Select entire current pattern LALT + A: Select entire column note in a track LALT + LSHIFT + A: Select all notes of a track LCTRL + X: Cut the selected block and copy it into the block-buffer LCTRL + C: Copy the selected block into the block-buffer LCTRL + V: Paste the data from the block buffer into the pattern LCTRL + I: Interpolate selected data from the first to the last row of a selection LSHIFT + ARROWS PREV. PAGE NEXT PAGE: Select a block LCTRL + R: Randomize the select columns of a selection, works similar to CTRL + I (interpolating them) LCTRL + U: Transpose the note of a selection to 1 seminote higher LCTRL + D: Transpose the note of a selection to 1 seminote lower LCTRL + LSHIFT + U: Transpose the note of a selection to 1 seminote higher (only for the current instrument) LCTRL + LSHIFT + D: Transpose the note of a selection to 1 seminote lower (only for the current instrument) LCTRL + H: Transpose the note of a selection to 1 octave higher LCTRL + L: Transpose the note of a selection to 1 octave lower LCTRL + LSHIFT + H: Transpose the note of a selection to 1 octave higher (only for the current instrument) LCTRL + LSHIFT + L: Transpose the note of a selection to 1 octave lower (only for the current instrument) LCTRL + W: Save the current selection into a file Misc LALT + ENTER: Switch between full screen / windowed mode LALT + F4: Exit program (Windows only) LCTRL + S: Save current module LSHIFT + S: Switch top right panel to synths list LSHIFT + I: Switch top right panel to instruments list <pre> C-x xh xx xx hhhh Volume B-x xh xx xx hhhh Jump to A#x xh xx xx hhhh hhhh Slide F-x xh xx xx hhhh Tempo D-x xh xx xx hhhh Pattern Break G#x xh xx xx hhhh </pre> h Hex 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 0A 0B 0C 0D 0E 0F 10 11 12 13 d Dec 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 The Set Volume command: C. Input a note, then move the cursor to the effects command column and type a C. Play the pattern, and you shouldn't be able to hear the note you placed the C by. This is because the effect parameters are 00. Change the two zeros to a 40(Hex)/64(Dec), depending on what your tracker uses. Play back the pattern again, and the note should come in at full volume. The Position Jump command next. This is just a B followed by the position in the playing list that you want to jump to. One thing to remember is that the playing list always starts at 0, not 1. This command is usually in Hex. Onto the volume slide command: A. This is slightly more complex (much more if you're using a newer tracker, if you want to achieve the results here, then set slides to Amiga, not linear), due to the fact it depends on the secondary tempo. For now set a secondary tempo of 06 (you can play around later), load a long or looped sample and input a note or two. A few rows after a note type in the effect command A. For the parameters use 0F. Play back the pattern, and you should notice that when the effect kicks in, the sample drops to a very low volume very quickly. Change the effect parameters to F0, and use a low volume command on the note. Play back the pattern, and when the slide kicks in the volume of the note should increase very quickly. This because each part of the effect parameters for command A does a different thing. The first number slides the volume up, and the second slides it down. It's not recommended that you use both a volume up and volume down at the same time, due to the fact the tracker only looks for the first number that isn't set to 0. If you specify parameters of 8F, the tracker will see the 8, ignore the F, and slide the volume up. Using a slide up and down at same time just makes you look stupid. Don't do it... The Set Tempo command: F, is pretty easy to understand. You simply specify the BPM (in Hex) that you want to change to. One important thing to note is that values of lower than 20 (Hex) sets the secondary tempo rather than the primary. Another useful command is the Pattern Break: D. This will stop the playing of the current pattern and skip to the next one in the playing list. By using parameters of more than 00 you can also specify which line to begin playing from. Command 3 is Portamento to Note. This slides the currently playing note to another note, at a specified speed. The slide then stops when it reaches the desired note. <pre> C-2 1 000 - Starts the note playing --- 000 C-3 330 - Starts the slide to C-3 at a speed of 30. --- 300 - Continues the slide --- 300 - Continues the slide </pre> Once the parameters have been set, the command can be input again without any parameters, and it'll still perform the same function unless you change the parameters. This memory function allows certain commands to function correctly, such as command 5, which is the Portamento to Note and Volume Slide command. Once command 3 has been set up command 5 will simply take the parameters from that and perform a Portamento to Note. Any parameters set up for command 5 itself simply perform a Volume Slide identical to command A at the same time as the Portamento to Note. This memory function will only operate in the same channel where the original parameters were set up. There are various other commands which perform two functions at once. They will be described as we come across them. C-3 04 .. .. 09 00 ---> C-3 04 .. .. 09 00 C-3 04 .. .. 09 00 ---> C-3 04 .. .. 09 02 C-3 04 .. .. 09 00 ---> C-3 04 .. .. 09 05 C-3 04 .. .. 09 00 ---> C-3 04 .. .. 09 08 C-3 04 .. .. 09 00 ---> C-3 04 .. .. 09 0A C-3 04 .. .. 09 00 ---> C-3 04 .. .. 09 0D C-3 04 .. .. 09 10 ---> C-3 04 .. .. 09 10 (You can also switch on the Slider Rec to On, and perform parameter-live-recording, such as cutoff transitions, resonance or panning tweaking, etc..) Note: this command only works for volume/panning and fx datas columns. The next command we'll look at is the Portamento up/down: 1 and 2. Command 1 slides the pitch up at a specified speed, and 2 slides it down. This command works in a similar way to the volume slide, in that it is dependent on the secondary tempo. Both these commands have a memory dependent on each other, if you set the slide to a speed of 3 with the 1 command, a 2 command with no parameters will use the speed of 3 from the 1 command, and vice versa. Command 4 is Vibrato. Vibrato is basically rapid changes in pitch, just try it, and you'll see what I mean. Parameters are in the format of xy, where x is the speed of the slide, and y is the depth of the slide. One important point to remember is to keep your vibratos subtle and natural so a depth of 3 or less and a reasonably fast speed, around 8, is usually used. Setting the depth too high can make the part sound out of tune from the rest. Following on from command 4 is command 6. This is the Vibrato and Volume Slide command, and it has a memory like command 5, which you already know how to use. Command 7 is Tremolo. This is similar to vibrato. Rather than changing the pitch it slides the volume. The effect parameters are in exactly the same format. vibrato effect (0x1dxy) x = speed y = depth (can't be used if arpeggio (0x1b) is turned on) <pre> C-7 00 .. .. 1B37 <- Turn Arpeggio effect on --- .. .. .. 0000 --- .. .. .. 0000 --- .. .. .. 0000 --- .. .. .. 1B38 <- Change datas --- .. .. .. 0000 --- .. .. .. 0000 --- .. .. .. 0000 --- .. .. .. 1B00 <- Turn it off </pre> Command 9 is Sample Offset. This starts the playback of the sample from a different place than the start. The effect parameters specify the sample offset, but only very roughly. Say you have a sample which is 8765(Hex) bytes long, and you wanted it to play from position 4321(Hex). The effect parameter could only be as accurate as the 43 part, and it would ignore the 21. Command B is the Playing List/Order Jump command. The parameters specify the position in the Playing List/Order to jump to. When used in conjunction with command D you can specify the position and the line to play from. Command E is pretty complex, as it is used for a lot of different things, depending on what the first parameter is. Let's take a trip through each effect in order. Command E0 controls the hardware filter on an Amiga, which, as a low pass filter, cuts off the highest frequencies being played back. There are very few players and trackers on other system that simulate this function, not that you should need to use it. The second parameter, if set to 1, turns on the filter. If set to 0, the filter gets turned off. Commands E1/E2 are Fine Portamento Up/Down. Exactly the same functions as commands 1/2, except that they only slide the pitch by a very small amount. These commands have a memory the same as 1/2 as well. Command E3 sets the Glissando control. If parameters are set to 1 then when using command 3, any sliding will only use the notes in between the original note and the note being slid to. This produces a somewhat jumpier slide than usual. The best way to understand is to try it out for yourself. Produce a slow slide with command 3, listen to it, and then try using E31. Command E4 is the Set Vibrato Waveform control. This command controls how the vibrato command slides the pitch. Parameters are 0 - Sine, 1 - Ramp Down (Saw), 2 - Square. By adding 4 to the parameters, the waveform will not be restarted when a new note is played e.g. 5 - Sine without restart. Command E5 sets the Fine Tune of the instrument being played, but only for the particular note being played. It will override the default Fine Tune for the instrument. The parameters range from 0 to F, with 0 being -8 and F being +8 Fine Tune. A parameter of 8 gives no Fine Tune. If you're using a newer tracker that supports more than -8 to +8 e.g. -128 to +128, these parameters will give a rough Fine Tune, accurate to the nearest 16. Command E6 is the Jump Loop command. You mark the beginning of the part of a pattern that you want to loop with E60, and then specify with E6x the end of the loop, where x is the number of times you want it to loop. Command E7 is the Set Tremolo Waveform control. This has exactly the same parameters as command E4, except that it works for Tremolo rather than Vibrato. Command E9 is for Retriggering the note quickly. The parameter specifies the interval between the retrigs. Use a value of less than the current secondary tempo, or else the note will not get retrigged. Command EA/B are for Fine Volume Slide Up/Down. Much the same as the normal Volume Slides, except that these are easier to control since they don't depend on the secondary tempo. The parameters specify the amount to slide by e.g. if you have a sample playing at a volume of 08 (Hex) then the effect EA1 will slide this volume to 09 (Hex). A subsequent effect of EB4 would slide this volume down to 05 (Hex). Command EC is the Note Cut. This sets the volume of the currently playing note to 0 at a specified tick. The parameters should be lower than the secondary tempo or else the effect won't work. Command ED is the Note Delay. This should be used at the same time as a note is to be played, and the parameters will specify the number of ticks to delay playing the note. Again, keep the parameters lower than the secondary tempo, or the note won't get played! Command EE is the Pattern Delay. This delays the pattern for the amount of time it would take to play a certain number of rows. The parameters specify how many rows to delay for. Command EF is the Funk Repeat command. Set the sample loop to 0-1000. When EFx is used, the loop will be moved to 1000- 2000, then to 2000-3000 etc. After 9000-10000 the loop is set back to 0- 1000. The speed of the loop "movement" is defined by x. E is two times as slow as F, D is three times as slow as F etc. EF0 will turn the Funk Repeat off and reset the loop (to 0-1000). effects 0x41 and 0x42 to control the volumes of the 2 303 units There is a dedicated panel for synth parameter editing with coherent sections (osc, filter modulation, routing, so on) the interface is much nicer, much better to navigate with customizable colors, the reverb is now customizable (10 delay lines), It accepts newer types of Waves (higher bit rates, at least 24). Has a replay routine. It's pretty much your basic VA synth. The problem isn't with the sampler being to high it's the synth is tuned two octaves too low, but if you want your samples tuned down just set the base note down 2 octaves (in the instrument panel). so the synth is basically divided into 3 sections from left to right: oscillators/envelopes, then filter and LFO's, and in the right column you have mod routings and global settings. for the oscillator section you have two normal oscillators (sine, saw, square, noise), the second of which is tunable, the first one tunes with the key pressed. Attached to OSC 1 is a sub-oscillator, which is a sawtooth wave tuned one octave down. The phase modulation controls the point in the duty cycle at which the oscillator starts. The ADSR envelope sliders (grouped with oscs) are for modulation envelope 1 and 2 respectively. you can use the synth as a sampler by choosing the instrument at the top. In the filter column, the filter settings are: 1 = lowpass, 2 = highpass, 3 = off. cutoff and resonance. For the LFOs they are LFO 1 and LFO 2, the ADSR sliders in those are for the LFO itself. For the modulation routings you have ENV 1, LFO 1 for the first slider and ENV 2, LFO 2 for the second, you can cycle through the individual routings there, and you can route each modulation source to multiple destinations of course, which is another big plus for this synth. Finally the glide time is for portamento and master volume, well, the master volume... it can go quite loud. The sequencer is changed too, It's more like the one in AXS if you've used that, where you can mute tracks to re-use patterns with variation. <pre> Support for the following modules formats: 669 (Composer 669, Unis 669), AMF (DSMI Advanced Module Format), AMF (ASYLUM Music Format V1.0), APUN (APlayer), DSM (DSIK internal format), FAR (Farandole Composer), GDM (General DigiMusic), IT (Impulse Tracker), IMF (Imago Orpheus), MOD (15 and 31 instruments), MED (OctaMED), MTM (MultiTracker Module editor), OKT (Amiga Oktalyzer), S3M (Scream Tracker 3), STM (Scream Tracker), STX (Scream Tracker Music Interface Kit), ULT (UltraTracker), UNI (MikMod), XM (FastTracker 2), Mid (midi format via timidity) </pre> Possible plugin options include [http://lv2plug.in/ LV2], ====Midi - Musical Instrument Digital Interface==== A midi file typically contains music that plays on up to 16 channels (as per the midi standard), but many notes can simultaneously play on each channel (depending on the limit of the midi hardware playing it). '''Timidity''' Although usually already installed, you can uncompress the [http://www.libsdl.org/projects/SDL_mixer/ timidity.tar.gz (14MB)] into a suitable drawer like below's SYS:Extras/Audio/ assign timidity: SYS:Extras/Audio/timidity added to SYSːs/User-Startup '''WildMidi playback''' '''Audio Evolution 4 (2003) 4.0.23 (from 2012)''' *Sync Menu - CAMD Receive, Send checked *Options Menu - MIDI Machine Control - Midi Bar Display - Select CAMD MIDI in / out - Midi Remote Setup MCB Master Control Bus *Sending a MIDI start-command and a Song Position Pointer, you can synchronize audio with an external MIDI sequencer (like B&P). *B&P Receive, start AE, add AudioEvolution.ptool in Bars&Pipes track, press play / record in AE then press play in Pipes *CAMD Receive, receive MIDI start or continue commands via camd.library sync to AE *MIDI Machine Control *Midi Bar Display *Select CAMD MIDI in / out *Midi Remote Setup - open requester for external MIDI controllers to control app mixer and transport controls cc remotely Channel - mixer(vol, pan, mute, solo), eq, aux, fx, Subgroup - Volume, Mute, Solo Transport - Start, End, Play, Stop, Record, Rewind, Forward Misc - Master vol., Bank Down, Bank up <pre> q - quit First 3 already opened when AE started F1 - timeline window F2 - mixer F3 - control F4 - subgroups F5 - aux returns F6 - sample list i - Load sample to use space - start/stop play b - reset time 0:00 s - split mode r - open recording window a - automation edit mode with p panning, m mute and v volume [ / ] - zoom in / out : - previous track * - next track x c v f - cut copy paste cross-fade g - snap grid </pre> '''[http://bnp.hansfaust.de/ Bars n Pipes sequencer]''' BarsnPipes debug ... in shell Menu (right mouse) *Song - Songs load and save in .song format but option here to load/save Midi_Files .mid in FORMAT0 or FORMAT1 *Track - *Edit - *Tool - *Timing - SMTPE Synchronizing *Windows - *Preferences - Multiple MIDI-in option Windows (some of these are usually already opened when Bars n Pipes starts up for the first time) *Workflow -> Tracks, .... Song Construction, Time-line Scoring, Media Madness, Mix Maestro, *Control -> Transport (or mini one), Windows (which collects all the Windows icons together-shortcut), .... Toolbox, Accessories, Metronome, Once you have your windows placed on the screen that suits your workflow, Song -> Save as Default will save the positions, colors, icons, etc as you'd like them If you need a particular setup of Tracks, Tools, Tempos etc, you save them all as a new song you can load each time Right mouse menu -> Preferences -> Environment... -> ScreenMode - Linkages for Synch (to Slave) usbmidi.out.0 and Send (Master) usbmidi.in.0 - Clock MTC '''Tracks''' #Double-click on B&P's icon. B&P will then open with an empty Song. You can also double-click on a song icon to open a song in B&P. #Choose a track. The B&P screen will contain a Tracks Window with a number of tracks shown as pipelines (Track 1, Track 2, etc...). To choose a track, simply click on the gray box to show an arrow-icon to highlight it. This icon show whether a track is chosen or not. To the right of the arrow-icon, you can see the icon for the midi-input. If you double-click on this icon you can change the MIDI-in setup. #Choose Record for the track. To the right of the MIDI-input channel icon you can see a pipe. This leads to another clickable icon with that shows either P, R or M. This stands for Play, Record or Merge. To change the icon, simply click on it. If you choose P, this track can only play the track (you can't record anything). If you choose R, you can record what you play and it overwrites old stuff in the track. If you choose M, you merge new records with old stuff in the track. Choose R now to be able to make a record. #Chose MIDI-channel. On the most right part of the track you can see an icon with a number in it. This is the MIDI-channel selector. Here you must choose a MIDI-channel that is available on your synthesizer/keyboard. If you choose General MIDI channel 10, most synthesizer will play drum sounds. To the left of this icon is the MIDI-output icon. Double-click on this icon to change the MIDI-output configuration. #Start recording. The next step is to start recording. You must then find the control buttons (they look like buttons on a CD-player). To be able to make a record. you must click on the R icon. You can simply now press the play button (after you have pressed the R button) and play something on you keyboard. To playback your composition, press the Play button on the control panel. #Edit track. To edit a track, you simply double click in the middle part of a track. You will then get a new window containing the track, where you can change what you have recorded using tools provided. Take also a look in the drop-down menus for more features. Videos to help understand [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6gVTX-9900 small intro], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abq_rUTiSA4&t=3s Overview], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixOVutKsYQo Workplace Setup CC PC Sysex], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDnJLYPaZTs Import Song], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BC3kkzPLkv4 Tempo Mapping], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sd23kqMYPDs ptool Arpeggi-8], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDJq-YxgwQg PlayMidi Song], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DY9Pu5P9TaU Amiga Midi], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abq_rUTiSA4 Learning Amiga bars and Pipes], Groups like [https://groups.io/g/barsnpipes/topics this] could help '''Tracks window''' * blue "1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Group" and transport tape deck VCR-type controls * Flags * [http://theproblem.alco-rhythm.com/org/bp.html Track 1, Track2, to Track 16, on each Track there are many options that can be activated] Each Track has a *Left LHS - Click in grey box to select what Track to work on, Midi-In ptool icon should be here (5pin plug icon), and many more from the Toolbox on the Input Pipeline *Middle - (P, R, M) Play, Record, Merge/Multi before the sequencer line and a blue/red/yellow (Thru Mute Play) Tap *Right RHS - Output pipeline, can have icons placed uopn it with the final ptool icon(s) being the 5pin icon symbol for Midi-OUT Clogged pipelines may need Esc pressed several times '''Toolbox (tools affect the chosen pipeline)''' After opening the Toolbox window you can add extra Tools (.ptool) for the pipelines like keyboard(virtual), midimonitor, quick patch, transpose, triad, (un)quantize, feedback in/out, velocity etc right mouse -> Toolbox menu option -> Install Tool... and navigate to Tool drawer (folder) and select requried .ptool Accompany B tool to get some sort of rythmic accompaniment, Rythm Section and Groove Quantize are examples of other tools that make use of rythms [https://aminet.net/search?query=bars Bars & Pipes pattern format .ptrn] for drawer (folder). Load from the Menu as Track or Group '''Accessories (affect the whole app)''' Accessories -> Install... and goto the Accessories drawer for .paccess like adding ARexx scripting support '''Song Construction''' <pre> F1 Pencil F2 Magic Wand F3 Hand F4 Duplicator F5 Eraser F6 Toolpad F7 Bounding box F8 Lock to A-B-A A-B-A strip, section, edit flags, white boxes, </pre> Bars&Pipes Professional offers three track formats; basic song tracks, linear tracks — which don't loop — and finally real‑time tracks. The difference between them is that both song and linear tracks respond to tempo changes, while real‑time tracks use absolute timing, always trigger at the same instant regardless of tempo alterations '''Tempo Map''' F1 Pencil F2 Magic Wand F3 Hand F4 Eraser F5 Curve F6 Toolpad Compositions Lyrics, Key, Rhythm, Time Signature '''Master Parameters''' Key, Scale/Mode '''Track Parameters''' Dynamics '''Time-line Scoring''' '''Media Madness''' '''Mix Maestro''' *ACCESSORIES Allows the importation of other packages and additional modules *CLIPBOARD Full cut, copy and paste operations, enabling user‑definable clips to be shared between tracks. *INFORMATION A complete rundown on the state of the current production and your machine. *MASTER PARAMETERS Enables global definition of time signatures, lyrics, scales, chords, dynamics and rhythm changes. *MEDIA MADNESS A complete multimedia sequencer which allows samples, stills, animation, etc *METRONOME Tempo feedback via MIDI, internal Amiga audio and colour cycling — all three can be mixed and matched as required. *MIX MAESTRO Completely automated mixdown with control for both volume and pan. All fader alterations are memorised by the software *RECORD ACTIVATION Complete specification of the data to be recorded/merged. Allows overdubbing of pitch‑bend, program changes, modulation etc *SET FLAGS Numeric positioning of location and edit flags in either SMPTE or musical time *SONG CONSTRUCTION Large‑scale cut and paste of individual measures, verses or chorus, by means of bounding box and drag‑n‑drop mouse selections *TEMPO MAP Tempo change using a variety of linear and non‑linear transition curves *TEMPO PALETTE Instant tempo changes courtesy of four user‑definable settings. *TIMELINE SCORING Sequencing of a selection of songs over a defined period — ideal for planning an entire set for a live performance. *TOOLBOX Selection screen for the hundreds of signal‑processing tools available *TRACKS Opens the main track window to enable recording, editing and the use of tools. *TRANSPORT Main playback control window, which also provides access to user‑ defined flags, loop and punch‑in record modes. Bars and Pipes Pro 2.5 is using internal 4-Byte IDs, to check which kind of data are currently processed. Especially in all its files the IDs play an important role. The IDs are stored into the file in the same order they are laid out in the memory. In a Bars 'N' Pipes file (no matter which kind) the ID "NAME" (saved as its ANSI-values) is stored on a big endian system (68k-computer) as "NAME". On a little endian system (x86 PC computer) as "EMAN". The target is to make the AROS-BnP compatible to songs, which were stored on a 68k computer (AMIGA). If possible, setting MIDI channels for Local Control for your keyboard http://www.fromwithin.com/liquidmidi/archive.shtml MIDI files are essentially a stream of event data. An event can be many things, but typically "note on", "note off", "program change", "controller change", or messages that instruct a MIDI compatible synth how to play a given bit of music. * Channel - 1 to 16 - * Messages - PC presets, CC effects like delays, reverbs, etc * Sequencing - MIDI instruments, Drums, Sound design, * Recording - * GUI - Piano roll or Tracker, Staves and Notes MIDI events/messages like step entry e.g. Note On, Note Off MIDI events/messages like PB, PC, CC, Mono and Poly After-Touch, Sysex, etc MIDI sync - Midi Clocks (SPS Measures), Midi Time Code (h, m, s and frames) SMPTE Individual track editing with audition edits so easier to test any changes. Possible to stop track playback, mix clips from the right edit flag and scroll the display using arrow keys. Step entry, to extend a selected note hit the space bar and the note grows accordingly. Ability to cancel mouse‑driven edits by simply clicking the right mouse button — at which point everything snaps back into its original form. Lyrics can now be put in with syllable dividers, even across an entire measure or section. Autoranging when you open a edit window, the notes are automatically displayed — working from the lowest upwards. Flag editing, shift‑click on a flag immediately open the bounds window, ready for numeric input. Ability to cancel edits using the right‑hand mouse button, plus much improved Bounding Box operations. Icons other than the BarsnPipes icon -> PUBSCREEN=BarsnPipes (cannot choose modes higher than 8bit 256 colors) Preferences -> Menu in Tracks window - Send MIDI defaults OFF Prefs -> Environment -> screenmode (saved to BarsnPipes.prefs binary file) Customization -> pics in gui drawer (folder) - Can save as .song files and .mid General Midi SMF is a “Standard Midi File” ([http://www.music.mcgill.ca/~ich/classes/mumt306/StandardMIDIfileformat.html SMF0, SMF1 and SMF2]), [https://github.com/stump/libsmf libsmf], [https://github.com/markc/midicomp MIDIcomp], [https://github.com/MajicDesigns/MD_MIDIFile C++ src], [], [https://github.com/newdigate/midi-smf-reader Midi player], * SMF0 All MIDI data is stored in one track only, separated exclusively by the MIDI channel. * SMF1 The MIDI data is stored in separate tracks/channels. * SMF2 (rarely used) The MIDI data is stored in separate tracks, which are additionally wrapped in containers, so it's possible to have e.g. several tracks using the same MIDI channels. Would it be possible to enrich Bars N’Pipes with software synth and sample support along with audio recording and mastering tools like in the named MAC or PC music sequencers? On the classic AMIGA-OS this is not possible because of missing CPU-power. The hardware of the classic AMIGA is not further developed. So we must say (unfortunately) that those dreams can’t become reality BarsnPipes is best used with external MIDI-equipment. This can be a keyboard or synthesizer with MIDI-connectors. <pre> MIDI can control 16 channels There are USB-MIDI-Interfaces on the market with 16 independent MIDI-lines (multi-port), which can handle 16 MIDI devices independently – 16×16 = 256 independent MIDI-channels or instruments handle up to 16 different USB-MIDI-Interfaces (multi-device). That is: 16X16X16 = 4096 independent MIDI-channels – theoretically </pre> <pre> Librarian MIDI SYStem EXplorer (sysex) - PatchEditor and used to be supplied as a separate program like PatchMeister but currently not at present It should support MIDI.library (PD), BlueRibbon.library (B&P), TriplePlayPlus, and CAMD.library (DeluxeMusic) and MIDI information from a device's user manual and configure a custom interface to access parameters for all MIDI products connected to the system Supports ALL MIDI events and the Patch/Librarian data is stored in MIDI standard format Annette M.Crowling, Missing Link Software, Inc. </pre> Composers <pre> [https://x.com/hirasawa/status/1403686519899054086 Susumu Hirasawa] </pre> <pre> 1988 Todor Fay and his wife Melissa Jordan Gray, who founded the Blue Ribbon Inc 1992 Bars&Pipes Pro published November 2000, Todor Fay announcement to release the sourcecode of Bars&Pipes Pro 2.5c beta end of May 2001, the source of the main program and the sources of some tools and accessories were in a complete and compileable state end of October 2009 stop further development of BarsnPipes New for now on all supported systems and made freeware 2013 Alfred Faust diagnosed with incureable illness, called „Myastenia gravis“ (weak muscles) </pre> Protrekkr How to use Midi In/Out in Protrekkr ? First of all, midi in & out capabilities of this program are rather limited. # Go to Misc. Setup section and select a midi in or out device to use (ptk only supports one device at a time). # Go to instrument section, and select a MIDI PRG (the default is N/A, which means no midi program selected). # Go to track section and here you can assign a midi channel to each track of ptk. # Play notes :]. Note off works. F'x' note cut command also works too, and note-volume command (speed) is supported. Also, you can change midicontrollers in the tracker, using '90' in the panning row: <pre> C-3 02 .. .. 0000.... --- .. .. 90 xxyy.... << This will set the value --- .. .. .. 0000.... of the controller n.'xx' to 'yy' (both in hex) --- .. .. .. 0000.... </pre> So "--- .. .. 90 2040...." will set the controller number $20(32) to $40(64). You will need the midi implementation table of your gear to know what you can change with midi controller messages. N.B. Not all MIDI devices are created equal! Although the MIDI specification defines a large range of MIDI messages of various kinds, not every MIDI device is required to work in exactly the same way and respond to all the available messages and ways of working. For example, we don't expect a wind synthesiser to work in the same way as a home keyboard. Some devices, the older ones perhaps, are only able to respond to a single channel. With some of those devices that channel can be altered from the default of 1 (probably) to another channel of the 16 possible. Other devices, for instance monophonic synthesisers, are capable of producing just one note at a time, on one MIDI channel. Others can produce many notes spread across many channels. Further devices can respond to, and transmit, "breath controller" data (MIDI controller number 2 (CC#2)) others may respond to the reception of CC#2 but not be able to create and to send it. A controller keyboard may be capable of sending "expression pedal" data, but another device may not be capable of responding to that message. Some devices just have the basic GM sound set. The "voice" or "instrument" is selected using a "Program Change" message on its own. Other devices have a greater selection of voices, usually arranged in "banks", and the choice of instrument is made by responding to "Bank Select MSB" (MIDI controller 0 (CC#0)), others use "Bank Select LSB" (MIDI controller number 32 (CC#32)), yet others use both MSB and LSB sent one after the other, all followed by the Program Change message. The detailed information about all the different voices will usually be available in a published MIDI Data List. MIDI Implementation Chart But in the User Manual there is sometimes a summary of how the device works, in terms of MIDI, in the chart at the back of the manual, the MIDI Implementation Chart. If you require two devices to work together you can compare the two implementation charts to see if they are "compatible". In order to do this we will need to interpret that chart. The chart is divided into four columns headed "Function", "Transmitted" (or "Tx"), "Received" (or "Rx"), or more correctly "Recognised", and finally, "Remarks". <pre> The left hand column defines which MIDI functions are being described. The 2nd column defines what the device in question is capable of transmitting to another device. The 3rd column defines what the device is capable of responding to. The 4th column is for explanations of the values contained within these previous two columns. </pre> There should then be twelve sections, with possibly a thirteenth containing extra "Notes". Finally there should be an explanation of the four MIDI "modes" and what the "X" and the "O" mean. <pre> Mode 1: Omni On, Poly; Mode 2: Omni On, Mono; Mode 3: Omni Off, Poly; Mode 4: Omni Off, Mono. </pre> O means "yes" (implemented), X means "no" (not implemented). Sometimes you will find a row of asterisks "**************", these seem to indicate that the data is not applicable in this case. Seen in the transmitted field only (unless you've seen otherwise). Lastly you may find against some entries an asterisk followed by a number e.g. *1, these will refer you to further information, often on a following page, giving more detail. Basic Channel But the very first set of boxes will tell us the "Basic Channel(s)" that the device sends or receives on. "Default" is what happens when the device is first turned on, "changed" is what a switch of some kind may allow the device to be set to. For many devices e.g. a GM sound module or a home keyboard, this would be 1-16 for both. That is it can handle sending and receiving on all MIDI channels. On other devices, for example a synthesiser, it may by default only work on channel 1. But the keyboard could be "split" with the lower notes e.g. on channel 2. If the synth has an arppegiator, this may be able to be set to transmit and or receive on yet another channel. So we might see the default as "1" but the changed as "1-16". Modes. We need to understand Omni On and Off, and Mono and Poly, then we can decipher the four modes. But first we need to understand that any of these four Mode messages can be sent to any MIDI channel. They don't necessarily apply to the whole device. If we send an "Omni On" message (CC#125) to a MIDI channel of a device, we are, in effect, asking it to respond to e.g. a Note On / Off message pair, received on any of the sixteen channels. Sound strange? Read it again. Still strange? It certainly is. We normally want a MIDI channel to respond only to Note On / Off messages sent on that channel, not any other. In other words, "Omni Off". So "Omni Off" (CC#124) tells a channel of our MIDI device to respond only to messages sent on that MIDI channel. "Poly" (CC#127) is for e.g. a channel of a polyphonic sound module, or a home keyboard, to be able to respond to many simultaneous Note On / Off message pairs at once and produce musical chords. "Mono" (CC#126) allows us to set a channel to respond as if it were e.g. a flute or a trumpet, playing just one note at a time. If the device is capable of it, then the overlapping of notes will produce legato playing, that is the attack portion of the second note of two overlapping notes will be removed resulting in a "smoother" transition. So a channel with a piano voice assigned to it will have Omni Off, Poly On (Mode 3), a channel with a saxophone voice assigned could be Omni Off, Mono On (Mode 4). We call these combinations the four modes, 1 to 4, as defined above. Most modern devices will have their channels set to Mode 3 (Omni Off, Poly) but be switchable, on a per channel basis, to Mode 4 (Omni Off, Mono). This second section of data will include first its default value i.e. upon device switch on. Then what Mode messages are acceptable, or X if none. Finally, in the "Altered" field, how a Mode message that can't be implemented will be interpreted. Usually there will just be a row of asterisks effectively meaning nothing will be done if you try to switch to an unimplemented mode. Note Number <pre> The next row will tell us which MIDI notes the device can send or receive, normally 0-127. The second line, "True Voice" has the following in the MIDI specification: "Range of received note numbers falling within the range of true notes produced by the instrument." My interpretation is that, for instance, a MIDI piano may be capable of sending all MIDI notes (0 to 127) by transposition, but only responding to the 88 notes (21 to 108) of a real piano. </pre> Velocity This will tell us whether the device we're looking at will handle note velocity, and what range from 1-127, or maybe just 64, it transmits or will recognise. So usually "O" plus a range or "X" for not implemented. After touch This may have one or two lines two it. If a one liner the either "O" or "X", yes or no. If a two liner then it may include "Keys" or "Poly" and "Channel". This will show whether the device will respond to Polyphonic after touch or channel after touch or neither. Pitch Bend Again "O" for implemented, "X" for not implemented. (Many stage pianos will have no pitch bend capability.) It may also, in the notes section, state whether it will respond to the full 14 bits, or not, as usually encoded by the pitch bend wheel. Control Change This is likely to be the largest section of the chart. It will list all those controllers, starting from CC#0, Bank Select MSB, which the device is capable of sending, and those that it will respond to using "O" or "X" respectively. You will, almost certainly, get some further explanation of functionality in the remarks column, or in more detail elsewhere in the documentation. Of course you will need to know what all the various controller numbers do. Lots of the official technical specifications can be found at the [www.midi.org/techspecs/ MMA], with the table of messages and control change [www.midi.org/techspecs/midimessages.php message numbers] Program Change Again "O" or "X" in the Transmitted or Recognised column to indicate whether or not the feature is implemented. In addition a range of numbers is shown, typically 0-127, to show what is available. True # (number): "The range of the program change numbers which correspond to the actual number of patches selected." System Exclusive Used to indicate whether or not the device can send or recognise System Exclusive messages. A short description is often given in the Remarks field followed by a detailed explanation elsewhere in the documentation. System Common - These include the following: <pre> MIDI Time Code Quarter Frame messages (device synchronisation). Song Position Pointer Song Select Tune Request </pre> The section will indicate whether or not the device can send or respond to any of these messages. System Real Time These include the following: <pre> Timing Clock - often just written as "Clock" Start Stop Continue </pre> These three are usually just referred to as "Commands" and listed. Again the section will indicate which, if any, of these messages the device can send or respond to. <pre> Aux. Messages Again "O" or "X" for implemented or not. Aux. = Auxiliary. Active Sense = Active Sensing. </pre> Often with an explanation of the action of the device. Notes The "Notes" section can contain any additional comments to clarify the particular implementation. Some of the explanations have been drawn directly from the MMA MIDI 1.0 Detailed Specification. And the detailed explanation of some of the functions will be found there, or in the General MIDI System Level 1 or General MIDI System Level 2 documents also published by the MMA. OFFICIAL MIDI SPECIFICATIONS SUMMARY OF MIDI MESSAGES Table 1 - Summary of MIDI Messages The following table lists the major MIDI messages in numerical (binary) order (adapted from "MIDI by the Numbers" by D. Valenti, Electronic Musician 2/88, and updated by the MIDI Manufacturers Association.). This table is intended as an overview of MIDI, and is by no means complete. WARNING! Details about implementing these messages can dramatically impact compatibility with other products. We strongly recommend consulting the official MIDI Specifications for additional information. MIDI 1.0 Specification Message Summary Channel Voice Messages [nnnn = 0-15 (MIDI Channel Number 1-16)] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Status D7----D0 ! width="10%" |Data Byte(s) D7----D0 ! width="20%" |Description |- |<!--Status-->1000nnnn || <!--Data-->0kkkkkkk 0vvvvvvv || <!--Description-->Note Off event. This message is sent when a note is released (ended). (kkkkkkk) is the key (note) number. (vvvvvvv) is the velocity. |- |<!--Status-->1001nnnn || <!--Data-->0kkkkkkk 0vvvvvvv || <!--Description-->Note On event. This message is sent when a note is depressed (start). (kkkkkkk) is the key (note) number. (vvvvvvv) is the velocity. |- |<!--Status-->1010nnnn || <!--Data-->0kkkkkkk 0vvvvvvv || <!--Description-->Polyphonic Key Pressure (Aftertouch). This message is most often sent by pressing down on the key after it "bottoms out". (kkkkkkk) is the key (note) number. (vvvvvvv) is the pressure value. |- |<!--Status-->1011nnnn || <!--Data-->0ccccccc 0vvvvvvv || <!--Description-->Control Change. This message is sent when a controller value changes. Controllers include devices such as pedals and levers. Controller numbers 120-127 are reserved as "Channel Mode Messages" (below). (ccccccc) is the controller number (0-119). (vvvvvvv) is the controller value (0-127). |- |<!--Status-->1100nnnn || <!--Data-->0ppppppp || <!--Description-->Program Change. This message sent when the patch number changes. (ppppppp) is the new program number. |- |<!--Status-->1101nnnn || <!--Data-->0vvvvvvv || <!--Description-->Channel Pressure (After-touch). This message is most often sent by pressing down on the key after it "bottoms out". This message is different from polyphonic after-touch. Use this message to send the single greatest pressure value (of all the current depressed keys). (vvvvvvv) is the pressure value. |- |<!--Status-->1110nnnn || <!--Data-->0lllllll 0mmmmmmm || <!--Description-->Pitch Bend Change. This message is sent to indicate a change in the pitch bender (wheel or lever, typically). The pitch bender is measured by a fourteen bit value. Center (no pitch change) is 2000H. Sensitivity is a function of the receiver, but may be set using RPN 0. (lllllll) are the least significant 7 bits. (mmmmmmm) are the most significant 7 bits. |} Channel Mode Messages (See also Control Change, above) {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Status D7----D0 ! width="10%" |Data Byte(s) D7----D0 ! width="20%" |Description |- |<!--Status-->1011nnnn || <!--Data-->0ccccccc 0vvvvvvv || <!--Description-->Channel Mode Messages. This the same code as the Control Change (above), but implements Mode control and special message by using reserved controller numbers 120-127. The commands are: *All Sound Off. When All Sound Off is received all oscillators will turn off, and their volume envelopes are set to zero as soon as possible c = 120, v = 0: All Sound Off *Reset All Controllers. When Reset All Controllers is received, all controller values are reset to their default values. (See specific Recommended Practices for defaults) c = 121, v = x: Value must only be zero unless otherwise allowed in a specific Recommended Practice. *Local Control. When Local Control is Off, all devices on a given channel will respond only to data received over MIDI. Played data, etc. will be ignored. Local Control On restores the functions of the normal controllers. c = 122, v = 0: Local Control Off c = 122, v = 127: Local Control On * All Notes Off. When an All Notes Off is received, all oscillators will turn off. c = 123, v = 0: All Notes Off (See text for description of actual mode commands.) c = 124, v = 0: Omni Mode Off c = 125, v = 0: Omni Mode On c = 126, v = M: Mono Mode On (Poly Off) where M is the number of channels (Omni Off) or 0 (Omni On) c = 127, v = 0: Poly Mode On (Mono Off) (Note: These four messages also cause All Notes Off) |} System Common Messages System Messages (0xF0) The final status nybble is a “catch all” for data that doesn’t fit the other statuses. They all use the most significant nybble (4bits) of 0xF, with the least significant nybble indicating the specific category. The messages are denoted when the MSB of the second nybble is 1. When that bit is a 0, the messages fall into two other subcategories. System Common If the MSB of the second second nybble (4 bits) is not set, this indicates a System Common message. Most of these are messages that include some additional data bytes. System Common Messages Type Status Byte Number of Data Bytes Usage <pre> Time Code Quarter Frame 0xF1 1 Indicates timing using absolute time code, primarily for synthronization with video playback systems. A single location requires eight messages to send the location in an encoded hours:minutes:seconds:frames format*. Song Position 0xF2 2 Instructs a sequencer to jump to a new position in the song. The data bytes form a 14-bit value that expresses the location as the number of sixteenth notes from the start of the song. Song Select 0xF3 1 Instructs a sequencer to select a new song. The data byte indicates the song. Undefined 0xF4 0 Undefined 0xF5 0 Tune Request 0xF6 0 Requests that the receiver retunes itself**. </pre> *MIDI Time Code (MTC) is significantly complex. Please see the MIDI Specification **While modern digital instruments are good at staying in tune, older analog synthesizers were prone to tuning drift. Some analog synthesizers had an automatic tuning operation that could be initiated with this command. System Exclusive If you’ve been keeping track, you’ll notice there are two status bytes not yet defined: 0xf0 and 0xf7. These are used by the System Exclusive message, often abbreviated at SysEx. SysEx provides a path to send arbitrary data over a MIDI connection. There is a group of predefined messages for complex data, like fine grained control of MIDI Time code machinery. SysEx is also used to send manufacturer defined data, such as patches, or even firmware updates. System Exclusive messages are longer than other MIDI messages, and can be any length. The messages are of the following format: 0xF0, 0xID, 0xdd, ...... 0xF7 The message is bookended with distinct bytes. It opens with the Start Of Exclusive (SOX) data byte, 0xF0. The next one to three bytes after the start are an identifier. Values from 0x01 to 0x7C are one-byte vendor IDs, assigned to manufacturers who were involved with MIDI at the beginning. If the ID is 0x00, it’s a three-byte vendor ID - the next two bytes of the message are the value. <pre> ID 0x7D is a placeholder for non-commercial entities. ID 0x7E indicates a predefined Non-realtime SysEx message. ID 0x7F indicates a predefined Realtime SysEx message. </pre> After the ID is the data payload, sent as a stream of bytes. The transfer concludes with the End of Exclusive (EOX) byte, 0xF7. The payload data must follow the guidelines for MIDI data bytes – the MSB must not be set, so only 7 bits per byte are actually usable. If the MSB is set, it falls into three possible scenarios. An End of Exclusive byte marks the ordinary termination of the SysEx transfer. System Real Time messages may occur within the transfer without interrupting it. The recipient should handle them independently of the SysEx transfer. Other status bytes implicitly terminate the SysEx transfer and signal the start of new messages. Some inexpensive USB-to-MIDI interfaces aren’t capable of handling messages longer than four bytes. {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Status D7----D0 ! width="10%" |Data Byte(s) D7----D0 ! width="20%" |Description |- |<!--Status-->11110000 || <!--Data-->0iiiiiii [0iiiiiii 0iiiiiii] 0ddddddd --- --- 0ddddddd 11110111 || <!--Description-->System Exclusive. This message type allows manufacturers to create their own messages (such as bulk dumps, patch parameters, and other non-spec data) and provides a mechanism for creating additional MIDI Specification messages. The Manufacturer's ID code (assigned by MMA or AMEI) is either 1 byte (0iiiiiii) or 3 bytes (0iiiiiii 0iiiiiii 0iiiiiii). Two of the 1 Byte IDs are reserved for extensions called Universal Exclusive Messages, which are not manufacturer-specific. If a device recognizes the ID code as its own (or as a supported Universal message) it will listen to the rest of the message (0ddddddd). Otherwise, the message will be ignored. (Note: Only Real-Time messages may be interleaved with a System Exclusive.) |- |<!--Status-->11110001 || <!--Data-->0nnndddd || <!--Description-->MIDI Time Code Quarter Frame. nnn = Message Type dddd = Values |- |<!--Status-->11110010 || <!--Data-->0lllllll 0mmmmmmm || <!--Description-->Song Position Pointer. This is an internal 14 bit register that holds the number of MIDI beats (1 beat= six MIDI clocks) since the start of the song. l is the LSB, m the MSB. |- |<!--Status-->11110011 || <!--Data-->0sssssss || <!--Description-->Song Select. The Song Select specifies which sequence or song is to be played. |- |<!--Status-->11110100 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Undefined. (Reserved) |- |<!--Status-->11110101 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Undefined. (Reserved) |- |<!--Status-->11110110 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Tune Request. Upon receiving a Tune Request, all analog synthesizers should tune their oscillators. |- |<!--Status-->11110111 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->End of Exclusive. Used to terminate a System Exclusive dump. |} System Real-Time Messages {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Status D7----D0 ! width="10%" |Data Byte(s) D7----D0 ! width="20%" |Description |- |<!--Status-->11111000 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Timing Clock. Sent 24 times per quarter note when synchronization is required. |- |<!--Status-->11111001 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Undefined. (Reserved) |- |<!--Status-->11111010 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Start. Start the current sequence playing. (This message will be followed with Timing Clocks). |- |<!--Status-->11111011 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Continue. Continue at the point the sequence was Stopped. |- |<!--Status-->11111100 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Stop. Stop the current sequence. |- |<!--Status-->11111101 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Undefined. (Reserved) |- |<!--Status-->11111110 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Active Sensing. This message is intended to be sent repeatedly to tell the receiver that a connection is alive. Use of this message is optional. When initially received, the receiver will expect to receive another Active Sensing message each 300ms (max), and if it does not then it will assume that the connection has been terminated. At termination, the receiver will turn off all voices and return to normal (non- active sensing) operation. |- |<!--Status-->11111111 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Reset. Reset all receivers in the system to power-up status. This should be used sparingly, preferably under manual control. In particular, it should not be sent on power-up. |} Advanced Messages Polyphonic Pressure (0xA0) and Channel Pressure (0xD0) Some MIDI controllers include a feature known as Aftertouch. While a key is being held down, the player can press harder on the key. The controller measures this, and converts it into MIDI messages. Aftertouch comes in two flavors, with two different status messages. The first flavor is polyphonic aftertouch, where every key on the controller is capable of sending its own independent pressure information. The messages are of the following format: <pre> 0xnc, 0xkk, 0xpp n is the status (0xA) c is the channel nybble kk is the key number (0 to 127) pp is the pressure value (0 to 127) </pre> Polyphonic aftertouch is an uncommon feature, usually found on premium quality instruments, because every key requires a separate pressure sensor, plus the circuitry to read them all. Much more commonly found is channel aftertouch. Instead of needing a discrete sensor per key, it uses a single, larger sensor to measure pressure on all of the keys as a group. The messages omit the key number, leaving a two-byte format <pre> 0xnc, 0xpp n is the status (0xD) c is the channel number pp is the pressure value (0 to 127) </pre> Pitch Bend (0xE0) Many keyboards have a wheel or lever towards the left of the keys for pitch bend control. This control is usually spring-loaded, so it snaps back to the center of its range when released. This allows for both upward and downward bends. Pitch Bend Wheel The wheel sends pitch bend messages, of the format <pre> 0xnc, 0xLL, 0xMM n is the status (0xE) c is the channel number LL is the 7 least-significant bits of the value MM is the 7 most-significant bits of the value </pre> You’ll notice that the bender data is actually 14 bits long, transmitted as two 7-bit data bytes. This means that the recipient needs to reassemble those bytes using binary manipulation. 14 bits results in an overall range of 214, or 0 to 16,383. Because it defaults to the center of the range, the default value for the bender is halfway through that range, at 8192 (0x2000). Control Change (0xB0) In addition to pitch bend, MIDI has provisions for a wider range of expressive controls, sometimes known as continuous controllers, often abbreviated CC. These are transmitted by the remaining knobs and sliders on the keyboard controller shown below. Continuous Controllers These controls send the following message format: <pre> 0xnc, 0xcc, 0xvv n is the status (0xB) c is the MIDI channel cc is the controller number (0-127) vv is the controller value (0-127) </pre> Typically, the wheel next to the bender sends controller number one, assigned to modulation (or vibrato) depth. It is implemented by most instruments. The remaining controller number assignments are another point of confusion. The MIDI specification was revised in version 2.0 to assign uses for many of the controllers. However, this implementation is not universal, and there are ranges of unassigned controllers. On many modern MIDI devices, the controllers are assignable. On the controller keyboard shown in the photos, the various controls can be configured to transmit different controller numbers. Controller numbers can be mapped to particular parameters. Virtual synthesizers frequently allow the user to assign CCs to the on-screen controls. This is very flexible, but it might require configuration on both ends of the link and completely bypasses the assignments in the standard. Program Change (0xC0) Most synthesizers have patch storage memory, and can be told to change patches using the following command: <pre> 0xnc, 0xpp n is the status (0xc) c is the channel pp is the patch number (0-127) </pre> This allows for 128 sounds to be selected, but modern instruments contain many more than 128 patches. Controller #0 is used as an additional layer of addressing, interpreted as a “bank select” command. Selecting a sound on such an instrument might involve two messages: a bank select controller message, then a program change. Audio & Midi are not synchronized, what I can do ? Buy a commercial software package but there is a nasty trick to synchronize both. It's a bit hardcore but works for me: Simply put one line down to all midi notes on your pattern (use Insert key) and go to 'Misc. Setup', adjust the latency and just search a value that will make sound sync both audio/midi. The stock Sin/Saw/Pulse and Rnd waveforms are too simple/common, is there a way to use something more complex/rich ? You have to ability to redirect the waveforms of the instruments through the synth pipe by selecting the "wav" option for the oscillator you're using for this synth instrument, samples can be used as wavetables to replace the stock signals. Sound banks like soundfont (sf2) or Kontakt2 are not supported at the moment ====DAW Audio Evolution 4==== Audio Evolution 4 gives you unsurpassed power for digital audio recording and editing on the Amiga. The latest release focusses on time-saving non-linear and non-destructive editing, as seen on other platforms. Besides editing, Audio Evolution 4 offers a wide range of realtime effects, including compression, noise gate, delays, reverb, chorus and 3-band EQ. Whether you put them as inserts on a channel or use them as auxillaries, the effect parameters are realtime adjustable and can be fully automated. Together with all other mixing parameters, they can even be controlled remotely, using more ergonomic MIDI hardware. Non-linear editing on the time line, including cut, copy, paste, move, split, trim and crossfade actions The number of tracks per project(s) is unlimited .... AHI limits you to recording only two at a time. i.e. not on 8 track sound cards like the Juli@ or Phase 88. sample file import is limited to 16bit AIFF (not AIFC, important distinction as some files from other sources can be AIFC with aiff file extension). and 16bit WAV (pcm only) Most apps use the Music Unit only but a few apps also use Unit (0-3) instead or as well. * Set up AHI prefs so that microphone is available. (Input option near the bottom) stereo++ allows the audio piece to be placed anywhere and the left-right adjusted to sound positionally right hifi best for music playback if driver supports this option Load 16bit .aif .aiff only sample(s) to use not AIFC which can have the same ending. AIFF stands for Audio Interchange File Format sox recital.wav recital.aiff sox recital.wav −b 16 recital.aiff channels 1 rate 16k fade 3 norm sox input.wav output.aiff bass −b 16 rate 48k performs the same format translation, but also applies four effects (down-mix to one channel, sample rate change, fade-in, nomalize), and stores the result at a bit-depth of 16. rec −c 2 radio.aiff trim 0 30:00 records half an hour of stereo audio play existing-file.wav 24bit PCM WAV or AIFF do not work *No stream format handling. So no way to pass on an AC3 encoded stream unmodified to the digital outputs through AHI. *No master volume handling. Each application has to set its own volume. So each driver implements its own custom driver-mixer interface for handling master volumes, mute and preamps. *Only one output stream. So all input gets mixed into one output. *No automatic handling of output direction based on connected cables. *No monitor input selection. Only monitor volume control. select the correct input (Don't mistake enabled sound for the correct input.) The monitor will feedback audio to the lineout and hp out no matter if you have selected the correct input to the ADC. The monitor will provide sound for any valid input. This will result in free mixing when recording from the monitor input instead of mic/line because the monitor itself will provide the hardware mixing for you. Be aware that MIC inputs will give two channel mono. Only Linein will give real stereo. Now for the not working part. Attempt to record from linein in the AE4 record window, the right channel is noise and the left channel is distorted. Even with the recommended HIFI 16bit Stereo++ mode at 48kHz. Channels Monitor Gain Inout Output Advanced settings - Debugging via serial port * Options -> Soundcard In/Out * Options -> SampleRate * Options -> Preferences F6 for Sample File List Setting a grid is easy as is measuring the BPM by marking a section of the sample. Is your kick drum track "not in time" ? If so, you're stumped in AE4 as it has no fancy variable time signatures and definitely no 'track this dodgy rhythm' function like software of the nature of Logic has. So if your drum beat is freeform you will need to work in freeform mode. (Real music is free form anyway). If the drum *is* accurate and you are just having trouble measuring the time, I usually measure over a range of bars and set the number of beats in range to say 16 as this is more accurate, Then you will need to shift the drum track to match your grid *before* applying the grid. (probably an iterative process as when the grid is active samples snap to it, and when inactive you cannot see it). AE4 does have ARexx but the functions are more for adding samples at set offsets and starting playback / recording. These are the usual features found in DAWs... * Recording digital audio, midi sequencer and mixer * virtual VST instruments and plug-ins * automation, group channels, MIDI channels, FX sends and returns, audio and MIDI editors and music notation editor * different track views * mixer and track layout (but not the same as below) * traditional two windows (track and mixer) Mixing - mixdown Could not figure out how to select what part I wanted to send to the aux, set it to echo and return. Pretty much the whole echo effect. Or any effect. Take look at page17 of the manual. When you open the EQ / Aux send popup window you will see 4 sends. Now from the menu choose the windows menu. Menus->Windows-> Aux Returns Window or press F5 You will see a small window with 4 volume controls and an effects button for each. Click a button and add an effects to that aux channel, then set it up as desired (note the reverb effect has a special AUX setting that improves its use with the aux channel, not compulsory but highly useful). You set the amount of 'return' on the main mix in the Aux Return window, and the amount sent from each main mixer channel in the popup for that channel. Again the aux sends are "prefade" so the volume faders on each channel do not affect them. Tracking Effects - fade in To add some echoes to some vocals, tried to add an effect on a track but did not come out. This is made more complicated as I wanted to mute a vocal but then make it echo at the muting point. Want to have one word of a vocal heard and then echoed off. But when the track is mute the echo is cancelled out. To correctly understand what is happening here you need to study the figure at the bottom of page 15 on the manual. You will see from that that the effects are applied 'prefade' So the automation you applied will naturally mute the entire signal. There would be a number of ways to achieve the goal, You have three real time effects slots, one for smoothing like so Sample -> Amplify -> Delay Then automate the gain of the amplify block so that it effectively mutes the sample just before the delay at the appropriate moment, the echo effect should then be heard. Getting the effects in the right order will require experimentation as they can only be added top down and it's not obvious which order they are applied to the signal, but there only two possibilities, so it wont take long to find out. Using MUTE can cause clicks to the Amplify can be used to mute more smoothly so that's a secondary advantage. Signal Processing - Overdub [[#top|...to the top]] ===Office=== ====Spreadsheet Leu==== Support for some xlsx, and ods functions ====Spreadsheet Ignition==== ; Needs ABIv1 to be completed before more can be done File formats supported * ascii #?.txt and #?.csv (single sheets with data only). * igs and TurboCalc(WIP) #?.tc for all sheets with data, formats and formulas. There is '''no''' support for xls, xlsx, ods or uos ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_Office_Format Uniform Unified Office Format]) at the moment. * Always use Esc key after editing Spreadsheet cells. * copy/paste seems to copy the first instance only so go to Edit -> Clipboard to manage the list of remembered actions. * Right mouse click on row (1 or 2 or 3) or column header (a or b or c) to access optimal height or width of the row or column respectively * Edit -> Insert -> Row seems to clear the spreadsheet or clears the rows after the inserted row until undo restores as it should be... Change Sheet name by Object -> Sheet -> Properties Click in the cell which will contain the result, and click '''down arrow button''' to the right of the formula box at the bottom of the spreadsheet and choose the function required from the list provided. Then click on the start cell and click on the bottom right corner, a '''very''' small blob, which allows stretching a bounding box (thick grey outlines) across many cells This grey bounding box can be used to '''copy a formula''' to other cells. Object -> Cell -> Properties to change cell format - Currency only covers DM and not $, Euro, Renminbi, Yen or Pound etc. Shift key and arrow keys selects a range of cells, so that '''formatting can be done to all highlighted cells'''. View -> Overview then select ALL with one click (in empty cell in the top left hand corner of the sheet). Default mode is relative cell referencing e.g. a1+a2 but absolute e.g. $a$1+$a$2 can be entered. * #sheet-name to '''absolute''' reference another sheet-name cell unless reference() function used. ;Graphs use shift key and arrow keys to select a bunch of cells to be graph'ed making sure that x axes represents and y axes represents * value() - 0 value, 1 percent, 2 date, 3 time, 4 unit ... ;Dates * Excel starts a running count from the 1st Jan 1900 and Ignition starts from 1st Jan 1AD '''(maybe this needs to change)''' Set formatting Object -> Cell -> Properties and put date in days ;Time Set formatting Object -> Cell -> Properties and put time in seconds taken ;Database (to be done by someone else) type - standard, reference (bezug), search criterion (suchkriterium), * select a bunch of cells and Object -> Database -> Define to set Datenbank (database) and Felder (fields not sure how?) * Neu (new) or loschen (delete) to add/remove database headings e.g. Personal, Start Date, Finish Date (one per row?) * Object -> Database -> Index to add fields (felder) like Surname, First Name, Employee ID, etc. to ? Filtering done with dbfilter(), dbproduct() and dbposition(). Activities with dbsum(), dbaverage(), dbmin() and dbmax(). Table sorting - ;Scripts (Arexx) ;Excel(TM) to Ignition - commas ''',''' replaced by semi-colons ''';''' to separate values within functions *SUM(), *AVERAGE(), MAX(), MIN(), INT(), PRODUCT(), MEDIAN(), VAR() becomes Variance(), Percentile(), *IF(), AND, OR, NOT *LEFT(), RIGHT(), MID() becomes MIDDLE(), LEN() becomes LENGTH(), *LOWER() becomes LOWERCASE(), UPPER() becomes UPPERCASE(), * DATE(yyyy,mm,dd) becomes COMPUTEDATE(dd;mm;yyyy), *TODAY(), DAY(),WEEK(), MONTH(),=YEAR(TODAY()), *EOMONTH() becomes MONTHLENGTH(), *NOW() should be date and time becomes time only, SECOND(), MINUTE(), HOUR(), *DBSUM() becomes DSUM(), ;Missing and possibly useful features/functions needed for ignition to have better support of Excel files There is no Merge and Join Text over many cells, no protect and/or freeze row or columns or books but can LOCK sheets, no define bunch of cells as a name, Macros (Arexx?), conditional formatting, no Solver, no Goal Seek, no Format Painter, no AutoFill, no AutoSum function button, no pivot tables, (30 argument limit applies to Excel) *HLOOKUP(), VLOOKUP(), [http://production-scheduling.com/excel-index-function-most-useful/ INDEX(), MATCH()], CHOOSE(), TEXT(), *TRIM(), FIND(), SUBSTITUTE(), CONCATENATE() or &, PROPER(), REPT(), *[https://acingexcel.com/excel-sumproduct-function/ SUMPRODUCT()], ROUND(), ROUNDUP(), *ROUNDDOWN(), COUNT(), COUNTA(), SUMIF(), COUNTIF(), COUNTBLANK(), TRUNC(), *PMT(), PV(), FV(), POWER(), SQRT(), MODE(), TRUE, FALSE, *MODE(), LARGE(), SMALL(), RANK(), STDEV(), *DCOUNT(), DCOUNTA(), WEEKDAY(), ;Excel Keyboard [http://dmcritchie.mvps.org/excel/shortx2k.htm shortcuts needed to aid usability in Ignition] <pre> Ctrl Z - Undo Ctrl D - Fill Down Ctrl R - Fill right Ctrl F - Find Ctrl H - Replace Ctrl 1 - Formatting of Cells CTRL SHIFT ~ Apply General Formatting ie a number Ctrl ; - Todays Date F2 - Edit cell F4 - toggle cell absolute / relative cell references </pre> ====Document Scanning - Scandal==== Scanner usually needs to be connected via a USB port and not via a hub or extension lead. Check in Trident Prefs -> Devices that the USB Scanner is not bound to anything (e.g. Bindings None) If not found then reboot the computer and recheck. Start Scandal, choose Settings from Menu strip at top of screen and in Scanner Driver choose the ?#.device of the scanner (e.g. epson2.device). The next two boxes - leave empty as they are for morphos SCSI use only or put ata.device (use the selection option in bigger box below) and Unit as 0 this is needed for gt68xx * gt68xx - no editing needed in s/gt68xx.conf but needs a firmware file that corresponds to the scanner [http://www.meier-geinitz.de/sane/gt68xx-backend/ gt68xx firmwares] in sys:s/gt68xx. * epson2 - Need to edit the file epson2.conf in sys/s that corresponds to the scanner being used '''Save''' the settings but do not press the Use button (aros freezes) Back to the Picture Scan window and the right-hand sections. Click on the '''Information''' tab and press Connect button and the scanner should now be detected. Go next to the '''Scanner''' tab next to Information Tab should have Color, Black and White, etc. and dpi settings now. Selecting an option Color, B/W etc. can cause dpi settings corruption (especially if the settings are in one line) so set '''dpi first'''. Make sure if Preview is set or not. In the '''Scan''' Tab, press Scan and the scanner will do its duty. Be aware that nothing is saved to disk yet. In the Save tab, change format JPEG, PNG or IFF DEEP. Tick incremental and base filename if necessary and then click the Save button. The image will now be saved to permanent storage. The driver ignores a device if it is already bond to another USB class, rejects it from being usable. However, open Trident prefs, select your device and use the right mouse button to open. Select "NONE" to prevent poseidon from touching the device. Now save settings. It should always work now. [[#top|...to the top]] ===Emulators=== ==== Amiberry ==== ==== Amiga Emu - Janus UAE ==== With Amibridge, AROS attempts to make the UAE emulator seem embedded within but it still is acting as an app There is no dynarec m68k for each hardware that Aros supports or direct patching of motorola calls to AROS hardware accelerated ones unless the emulator has that included Try starting Janus with a priority of -1 like this little script: <pre> cd sys:system/AmiBridge/emulator changetaskpri -1 run janus-uae -f my_uaerc.config >nil: cd sys:prefs endcli </pre> This stops Janus hogging all the CPU time. ===Miscellaneous=== ====Screensaver Blanker==== Most blankers on the amiga (i.e. aros) run as commodities (they are in the tools/commodities drawer). Double click on blanker. Control is with an app called Exchange, which you need to run first (double click on app) or run QUIET sys:tools/commodities/Exchange >NIL: but subsequently can use (Cntrl Alt h). Icon tool types (may be broken) or command line options <pre> seconds=number </pre> Once the timing is right then add the following to s:icaros-sequence or s:user-startup e.g. for 5 minutes run QUIET sys:tools/commodities/Blanker seconds=300 >NIL: *[http://archives.aros-exec.org/index.php?function=showfile&file=graphics/screenblanker/gblanker.i386-aros.zip Garshneblanker] can make Aros unstable or slow. Certain blankers crashes in Icaros 2.0.x like Dragon, Executor. *[ Acuario AROS version], the aquarium screen saver. Startup: extras:acuariofv-aros/acuario Kill: c:break name=extras:acuariofv-aros/acuario Managed to start Acuario by the Executor blanker. <pre> cx_priority= cx_popkey= ie CX_POPKEY="Shift F1" cx_popup=Yes or No </pre> <pre> Qualifier String Input Event Class ---------------- ----------------- "lshift" IEQUALIFIER_LSHIFT "rshift" IEQUALIFIER_RSHIFT "capslock" IEQUALIFIER_CAPSLOCK "control" IEQUALIFIER_CONTROL "lalt" IEQUALIFIER_LALT "ralt" IEQUALIFIER_RALT "lcommand" IEQUALIFIER_LCOMMAND "rcommand" IEQUALIFIER_RCOMMAND "numericpad" IEQUALIFIER_NUMERICPAD "repeat" IEQUALIFIER_REPEAT "midbutton" IEQUALIFIER_MIDBUTTON "rbutton" IEQUALIFIER_RBUTTON "leftbutton" IEQUALIFIER_LEFTBUTTON "relativemouse" IEQUALIFIER_RELATIVEMOUSE </pre> <pre> Synonym Synonym String Identifier ------- ---------- "shift" IXSYM_SHIFT /* look for either shift key */ "caps" IXSYM_CAPS /* look for either shift key or capslock */ "alt" IXSYM_ALT /* look for either alt key */ Highmap is one of the following strings: "space", "backspace", "tab", "enter", "return", "esc", "del", "up", "down", "right", "left", "f1", "f2", "f3", "f4", "f5", "f6", "f7", "f8", "f9", "f10", "help". </pre> [[#top|...to the top]] ==== World Construction Set WCS (Version 2.031) ==== WCS is a fractal landscape software such as Scenery Animator, Vista Pro and Panorama. Open sourced February 2022, World Construction Set [https://3dnature.com/downloads/legacy-software/ legally and for free] and [https://github.com/AlphaPixel/3DNature c source]. Announced August 1994 this version dates from April 1996 developed by Gary R. Huber and Chris "Xenon" Hanson" from Questar <pre> Assign "WCSProjects:" "Volume:Dir/Dir/WCSProjects" Assign "WCSFrames:" "Volume:Dir/Dir/WCSFrames" </pre> <pre> Load projects .proj by accessing pull down menu Project -> Open then click on CanyonSunset.proj OK to changing .par file and enlarge Status Log window to show what is happening Render by pull down menu Modules -> Render with End equal 1 not 300 then click bottom middle button Render </pre> [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxQDmf1ZWG0 Youtube walkthrough of above], [], [], Also try working with the already built file ColoDemo - Then open with the drop-down menu: Project/Open, then WCSProject:ColoDemo.proj Which allows you to use altimetric DEM files already included and Loading scene parameters from ColoDemo.par Once this is done, save everything with a new name to start working exclusively on your project. Then drop-down menu and select Save As ("NewName".proj name), then drop-down menu to open parameter and select Save All ( .par name) After launching the software, there is a the Module Control Panel composed of five icons. It is a dock type shortcut of the first few functions of the drop-down menu *Database - Load (#?.proj), Append, Create, Edit, Save, Dir List (of WCSProject drawer), *Data Ops - Extract / Convert Interp DEM, Import DLG, DXF, WDB and export LW map 3d formats *Map View - Database file Loader leading to Map View Control with option to the Database Editor *Parameters - Editor for Motion, Color, Ecosystem, Clouds, Waves, management of altimeter files DEM, sclock settings etc *Render - rendering terrain These are more in the pull down menu but not in the dock *Motion Editor *Color Editor *Ecosys Editor Simple minimal workflow *Load database (1st icon - 1st) *Set parameters and save .par file (4th icon) *Render scene (5th icon) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbTwwR2qcc4 Youtube], [], <pre> .proj new project name which creates a drawer of additional files .binary array, ascii array .xyz , z buffer, DTED .dt0, vista 1990s dem, iff conversion .Obj with .elev, .frd with .hdr maps, - digital elevation model (DEM) is a 3D representation of elevation data in various formats USGS 7.5MinDEM, .par </pre> Since for the time being no project is loaded, a query window indicates a procedural error when clicking on the rendering icon (right end of the bar). The menu is quite traditional; it varies according to the activity of the windows. To display any altimetric file in the "Mapview" (third icon of the panel), There are three possibilities: * Loading of a demonstration project. * The import of a DEM file, followed by texturing and packaging from the "Database-Editor" and the "Color-Editor". * The creation of an altimetric file in WCS format, then texturing. The altimeter file editing (display in the menu) is only made possible if the "Mapview" window is active. The software is made up of many windows and won't be able to describe them all. Know that "Color-Editor" and the "Data-Editor" comprise sufficient functions for obtaining an almost real rendering quality. You have the possibility of inserting vector objects in the "Data-Editor" (creation of roads, railways, etc.) The Map View (MapView) window *Database - Objects and Topos *View - Align, Center, Zoom, Pan, Move *Draw - Maps and distance *Object - Find, highlight, add points, conform topo, duplicate *Motion - Camera, Focus, path, elevation *Windows - DEM designer, Cloud (.cld) and wave (.wve) editor, You will notice that by selecting this window and simply moving the pointer to various points on the map you will see latitude and longitude values ​​change, along with the height. Drop-down menu and Modules, then select MapView and change the width of the window with the map to arrange it in the best way on the screen. With the Auto button the center. Window that then displays the contents of my DEM file, in this case the Grand Canyon. MapView allows you to observe the shape of the landscape from above ZOOM button Press the Zoom button and then with the pointer position on a point on the map, press the left mouse button and then move to the opposite corner to circumscribe the chosen area and press the left mouse button again, then we will see the enlarged area selected on the map. Would add that there is a box next to the Zoom button that allows the direct insertion of a value which, the larger it is, the smaller the magnification and the smaller the value, the stronger the magnification. At each numerical change you will need to press the DRAW button to update the view. PAN button Under Zoom you will find the PAN button which allows you to move the map at will in all directions by the amount you want. This is done by drawing a line in one direction, then press PAN and point to an area on the map with the pointer and press the left mouse button. At this point, leave it and move the pointer in one direction by drawing a line and press the left mouse button again to trigger the movement of the map on the screen (origin and end points). Do some experiments and then use the Auto button immediately below to recenter everything. There are parameters such as TOPO, VEC to be left checked and immediately below one that allows different views of the map with the Style command (Single, Multi, Surface, Emboss, Slope, Contour), each with its own particularities to highlight different details. Now you have the first basics to manage your project visually on the map. Close the MapView window and go further... Let's start working on ECOSYSTEMS If we select Emboss from the MapView Style command we will have a clear idea of ​​how the landscape appears, realizing that it is a predominantly desert region of our planet. Therefore we will begin to act on any vegetation present and the appearance of the landscape. With WCS we will begin to break down the elements of the landscape by assigning defined characteristics. It will be necessary to determine the classes of the ecosystem (Class) with parameters of Elevation Line (maximum altitude), Relative Elevation (arrangement on basins or convexities with respectively positive or negative parameters), Min Slope and Max Slope (slope). WCS offers the possibility of making ecosystems coexist on the same terrain with the UnderEco function, by setting a Density value. Ecosys Ecosystem Editor Let's open it from Modules, then Ecosys Editor. In the left pane you will find the list of ecosystems referring to the files present in our project. It will be necessary to clean up that box to leave only the Water and Snow landscapes and a few other predefined ones. We can do this by selecting the items and pressing the Remove button (be careful not for all elements the button is activated, therefore they cannot all be eliminated). Once this is done we can start adding new ecosystems. Scroll through the various Unused and as soon as the Name item at the top is activated allowing you to write, type the name of your ecosystem, adding the necessary parameters. <pre> Ecosystem1: Name: RockBase Class: Rock Density: 80 MinSlope: 15 UnderEco: Terrain Ecosystem2: Name: RockIncl Clss: Rock Density: 80 MinSlope: 30 UnderEco: Terrain Ecosystem3: Name: Grass Class Low Veg Density: 50 Height: 1 Elev Line : 1500 Rel El Eff: 5 Max Slope: 10 – Min Slope: 0 UnderEco: Terrain Ecosistema4: Name: Shrubs Class: Low Veg Density: 40 Height: 8 Elev Line: 3000 Rel El Eff: -2 Max Slope: 20 Min Slope : 5 UnderEco: Terrain Ecosistema5: Name: Terrain Class: Ground Density: 100 UnderEco: Terrain </pre> Now we need to identify an intermediate ecosystem that guarantees a smooth transition between all, therefore we select as Understory Ecosystem the one called Terrain in all ecosystems, except Snow and Water . Now we need to 'emerge' the Colorado River in the Canyon and we can do this by raising the sea level to 900 (Sea Level) in the Ecosystem called Water. Please note that the order of the ecosystem list gives priority to those that come after. So our list must have the following order: Water, Snow, Shrubs, RockIncl, RockBase, Terrain. It is possible to carry out all movements with the Swap button at the bottom. To put order you can also press Short List. Press Keep to confirm all the work done so far with Ecosystem Editor. Remember every now and then to save both the Project 'Modules/Save' and 'Parameter/Save All' EcoModels are made up of .etp .fgp .iff8 for each model Color Editor Now it's time to define the colors of our scene and we can do this by going to Modules and then Color Editor. In the list we focus on our ecosystems, created first. Let's go to the bottom of the list and select the first white space, assigning the name 'empty1', with a color we like and then we will find this element again in other environments... It could serve as an example for other situations! So we move to 'grass' which already exists and assign the following colors: R 60 G 70 B50 <pre> 'shrubs': R 60 G 80 B 30 'RockIncl' R 110 G 65 B 60 'RockBase' R 110 G 80 B 80 ' Terrain' R 150 G 30 B 30 <pre> Now we can work on pre-existing colors <pre> 'SunLight' R 150 G 130 B 130 'Haze and Fog' R 190 G 170 B 170 'Horizon' R 209 G 185 B 190 'Zenith' R 140 G 150 B 200 'Water' R 90 G 125 B 170 </pre> Ambient R 0 G 0 B 0 So don't forget to close Color Editor by pressing Keep. Go once again to Ecosystem Editor and assign the corresponding color to each environment by selecting it using the Ecosystem Color button. Press it several times until the correct one appears. Then save the project and parameters again, as done previously. Motion Editor Now it's time to take care of the framing, so let's go to Modules and then to Motion Editor. An extremely feature-rich window will open. Following is the list of parameters regarding the Camera, position and other characteristics: <pre> -Camera Altitude: 7.0 -Camera Latitude: 36.075 -Camera Longitude: 112.133 -Focus Attitude: -2.0 -Focus Latitude: 36.275 -Focus Longitude: 112.386 -Camera : 512 → rendering window -Camera Y: 384 → rendering window -View Arc: 80 → View width in degrees -Sun Longitude: 172 -Sun Latitude: -0.9 -Haze Start: 3.8 -Haze Range: 78, 5 </pre> As soon as the values ​​shown in the relevant sliders have been modified, we will be ready to open the CamView window to observe the wireframe preview. Let's not consider all the controls that will appear. Well from the Motion Editor if you have selected Camera Altitude and open the CamView panel, you can change the height of the camera by holding down the right mouse button and moving the mouse up and down. To update the view, press the Terrain button in the adjacent window. As soon as you are convinced of the position, confirm again with Keep. You can carry out the same work with the other functions of the camera, such as Focus Altitude... Let's now see the next positioning step on the Camera map, but let's leave the CamView preview window open while we go to Modules to open the window at the same time MapView. We will thus be able to take advantage of the view from the other together with a subjective one. From the MapView window, select with the left mouse button and while it is pressed, move the Camera as desired. To update the subjective preview, always click on Terrain. While with the same procedure you can intervene on the direction of the camera lens, by selecting the cross and with the left button pressed you can choose the desired view. So with the pressure of Terrain I update the Preview. Possibly can enlarge or reduce the Map View using the Zoom button, for greater precision. Also write that the circle around the cameras indicates the beginning of the haze, there are two types (haze and fog) linked to the altitude. Would also add that the camera height is editable through the Motion Editor panel. The sun Let's see that changing the position of the sun from the Motion Editor. Press the SUN button at the bottom right and set the time and the date. Longitude and latitude are automatically obtained by the program. Always open the View Arc command from the Motion Editor panel, an item present in the Parameter List box. Once again confirm everything with Keep and then save again. Animation The animation part is not left-back and also occupies a window. The settings possibilities are enormous. A time line with dragging functions ("slide", "drag"...) comparable to that of LightWave completes this window. A small window is available for positioning the stars as a function of a date, in order to vary the seasons and their various events (and yes...). At the bottom of the "Motion-Editor", a "cam-view" function will give you access to a control panel. Different preview modes are possible. The rendering is also accessible through a window. No less than nine pages compose it. At this level, you will be able to determine the backup name of your images ("path"), the type of texture to be calculated, the resolution of the images, activate or deactivate functions such as the depth buffer ("zbuffer"), the blur, the background image, etc. Once all these parameters have been set, all you have to do is click on the "Render" button. For rendering go to Modules and then Render. Select the resolution, then under IMA select the name of the image. Move to FRA and indicate the level of fractal detail which of 4 is quite good. Then Keep to confirm and then reopen the window, pressing Render you will see the result. The image will be opened with any viewing program. Strengths: * Multi-window. * Quality of rendering. * Accuracy. * Opening, preview and rendering on CyberGraphX screen. * Extract / Convert Interp DEM, Import DLG, DXF, WDB and export LW map 3d formats * The "zbuffer" function. Weaknesses: * No OpenGL management * Calculation time. * No network computing tool. ====Writing CD / DVD - Frying Pan==== Can be backup DVDs (4GB ISO size limit due to use of FileInfoBlock), create audio cds from mp3's, and put .iso files on discs If using for the first time - click Drive button and Device set to ata.device and unit to 0 (zero) Click Tracks Button - Drive 1 - Create New Disc or Import Existing Disc Image (iso bin/cue etc.) - Session File open cue file If you're making a data cd, with files and drawers from your hard drive, you should be using the ISO Builder.. which is the MUI page on the left. ("Data/Audio Tracks" is on the right). You should use the "Data/Audio tracks" page if you want to create music cds with AIFF/WAV/MP3 files, or if you download an .iso file, and you want to put it on a cd. Click WRITE Button - set write speed - click on long Write button Examples Easiest way would be to burn a DATA CD, simply go to "Tracks" page "ISO Builder" and "ADD" everything you need to burn. On the "Write" page i have "Masterize Disc (DAO)", "Close Disc" and "Eject after Write" set. One must not "Blank disc before write" if one uses a CDR AUDIO CD from MP3's are as easy but tricky to deal with. FP only understands one MP3 format, Layer II, everything else will just create empty tracks Burning bootable CD's works only with .iso files. Go to "Tracks" page and "Data/Audio Tracks" and add the .iso ====odf==== Every ODF file is a collection of several subdocuments within a package (ZIP file), each of which stores part of the complete document. * content.xml – Document content and automatic styles used in the content. * styles.xml – Styles used in the document content and automatic styles used in the styles themselves. * meta.xml – Document meta information, such as the author or the time of the last save action. * settings.xml – Application-specific settings, such as the window size or printer information. To read document follow these steps: * Extracting .ods file. * Getting content.xml file (which contains sheets data). * Creating XmlDocument object from content.xml file. * Creating DataSet (that represent Spreadsheet file). * With XmlDocument select “table:table” elements, and then create adequate DataTables. * Parse child’s of “table:table” element and fill DataTables with those data. * At the end, return DataSet and show it in application’s interface. To write document follow these steps: * Extracting template.ods file (.ods file that we use as template). * Getting content.xml file. * Creating XmlDocument object from content.xml file. * Erasing all “table:table” elements from the content.xml file. * Reading data from our DataSet and composing adequate “table:table” elements. * Adding “table:table” elements to content.xml file. * Zipping that file as new .ods file. XLS file format The XLS file format contains streams, substreams, and records. These sheet substreams include worksheets, macro sheets, chart sheets, dialog sheets, and VBA module sheets. All the records in an XLS document start with a 2-byte unsigned integer to specify Record Type (rt), and another for Count of Bytes (cb). A record cannot exceed 8224 bytes. If larger than the rest is stored in one or more continue records. * Workbook stream **Globals substream ***BoundSheet8 record - info for Worksheet substream i.e. name, location, type, and visibility. (4bytes the lbPlyPos FilePointer, specifies the position in the Workbook stream where the sheet substream starts) **Worksheet substream (sheet) - Cell Table - Row record - Cells (2byte=row 2byte=column 2byte=XF format) ***Blank cell record ***RK cell record 32-bit number. ***BoolErr cell record (2-byte Bes structure that may be either a Boolean value or an error code) ***Number cell record (64-bit floating-point number) ***LabelSst cell record (4-byte integer that specifies a string in the Shared Strings Table (SST). Specifically, the integer corresponds to the array index in the RGB field of the SST) ***Formula cell record (FormulaValue structure in the 8 bytes that follow the cell structure. The next 6 bytes can be ignored, and the rest of the record is a CellParsedFormula structure that contains the formula itself) ***MulBlank record (first 2 bytes give the row, and the next 2 bytes give the column that the series of blanks starts at. Next, a variable length array of cell structures follows to store formatting information, and the last 2 bytes show what column the series of blanks ends on) ***MulRK record ***Shared String Table (SST) contains all of the string values in the workbook. ACCRINT(), ACCRINTM(), AMORDEGRC(), AMORLINC(), COUPDAYBS(), COUPDAYS(), COUPDAYSNC(), COUPNCD(), COUPNUM(), COUPPCD(), CUMIPMT(), CUMPRINC(), DB(), DDB(), DISC(), DOLLARDE(), DOLLARFR(), DURATION(), EFFECT(), FV(), FVSCHEDULE(), INTRATE(), IPMT(), IRR(), ISPMT(), MDURATION(), MIRR(), NOMINAL(), NPER(), NPV(), ODDFPRICE(), ODDFYIELD(), ODDLPRICE(), ODDLYIELD(), PMT(), PPMT(), PRICE(), PRICEDISC(), PRICEMAT(), PV(), RATE(), RECEIVED(), SLN(), SYD(), TBILLEQ(), TBILLPRICE(), TBILLYIELD(), VDB(), XIRR(), XNPV(), YIELD(), YIELDDISC(), YIELDMAT(), <pre> </pre> <pre> </pre> <pre> </pre> {{BookCat}} huiqp0j490b3z05osguxkpsczy4cvmr 5 245060 4671601 4670721 2026-09-21T13:08:20Z MarcGarver 134830 [[WB:REVERT|Reverted]] edit by [[Special:Contributions/~2026-50387-21|~2026-50387-21]] ([[User talk:~2026-50387-21|talk]]) to last version by ~2026-33769-62 4639285 wikitext text/x-wiki {{metatalk}} == Semi-protected edit request on 7 June 2026 == {{edit semi-protected|Wikibooks:Welcome|answered=no}} [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-33769-62|&#126;2026-33769-62]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-33769-62|talk]]) 18:29, 7 June 2026 (UTC) dfcg0w6mr6hkxsm9n0cqnhe5kir17uw 0 286123 4671602 4671567 2026-09-21T13:35:18Z Jeff1138 301139 4671602 wikitext text/x-wiki {{ArosNav}} [[#Native]] [[#Hosted]] [[#Build]] [[#Hardware]] [[#References]] [[#Future]] ==Introduction== [[File:Scalos00.png|thumb|Scalos on Aros Pi3b]] Aros aims to cover Pi 3 to 5 1Gb+ RAM ideally as you may have to switch to 256Mb gfx mode depending on the application running Options to boot from using a good power source to prevent the yellow lightning symbol. *With Pi3b+ the max you can get is 5.1V 2.5A with micro usb. *With Pi4 5.1V 3A with usb-c *With Pi5 5.1V 5A, the amps went ever upwards, even to 5.1V 9A with usb-c Pi500+ keyboard wedge - Pi400 RPI-400 keyboard wedge - resolution changing and audio from micro hdmi0 (near 40pin) and micro hdmi1 (near usb-c psu) - Fn F10 0x5e power on and off works or held down for over 7 seconds auto shutdown - keyboard ok - wifi and lan ethernet testing - * Pi 5 - Quad A76 64bit ARMv8 and RP1 "southbridge" with VideoCore 7 Pre-D0 (Rev1.0) or D0 (rev1.1) * Pi 4 - Quad A72 64bit ARMv8 with VideoCore 6 * Pi 3 - Quad A53 [https://www.raspberrypi.com/documentation/computers/processors.html 64 bit] ARMv8 with VideoCore 4 with heatsink/fan on 3b to prevent cpu 82C+ throttling * Pi 2 - Quad 32bit ARMv6 with VideoCore 4 - mostly not 64bit compatible * Pi Model B+ 32bit ARMv6 with VideoCore 4 - not 64bit compatible * Pi Model A and B 32bit ARMv6 with VideoCore 4 - not 64bit compatible ===Native=== * 2013-03 Kalamatee starts work * 2015-04 Work continues with mschulz on the kernel and Kalamatee (NicJA) on gpio and usb * 2018 [https://www.patreon.com/posts/i-owe-you-some-20956961 mschulz resume adding BE big endian support], [https://www.patreon.com/michal_schulz/posts Big endian on Pi] * 2026 [https://github.com/aros-development-team/AROS/commits?author=bsek latest commits for pi 3b, 4 and 5 64bit] * 2026 [https://github.com/aros-development-team/AROS/commits?author=metaneutrons latest commits for Pi5] * 2026 [https://github.com/aros-development-team/AROS/commits?author=bitplane latest commits for ARM] '''Download''' [https://aros.sourceforge.io/nightly1.html RaspberryPi 3, 3+, 4 and 5 64bit ArmV8 builds] [https://sourceforge.net/projects/aros/files/ Alternative site and nightly2] both raspi-aarch64-system and raspi-aarch64-contrib can be unbz2'd and copied to fat32 8GB+ microSD card (there will be folders - boot c Classes Demos Developer Devs Extras etc only showing). The SD can be plugged in to the Pi 64bit build works well on a single core LE little endian. Multicore [https://github.com/aros-development-team/AROS/commit/1df0747c2bda3523a43029725a709b1f377d84ec may follow]. Any issues booting could be down to the SD card so please use another SD to see if it is resolved. Please report your experiences in the [https://www.arosworld.org/infusions/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=2019&rowstart=80 Aros Raspberry pi 3 64bit thread] and on the [https://forums.raspberrypi.com/viewtopic.php?p=2387984#p2387984 Raspberry Pi forum thread]. Any bugs or issues can be [https://github.com/aros-development-team/AROS/issues described here to fix] Boots with '''USB3''' port based sata3 ssd on Pi400 but untested on Pi4 (may need eeprom update from PiOS or Pi SD Imager) and Pi5 Pi 3 B+ is pre-configured for USB sata3 boot - untested Pi 3 B may need [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubnwvxF3Klc PiOS to set OTP to boot from usb - do so at your own risk] - if OTP set to usb, boot works but slower than SD card Speed write wise (top faster) <pre> *NVME Pi5 untested >1000MB/sec or faster if matched correctly *Sata3 ssd 500MB/sec *SD V90 90MB/sec 4K maybe 8K *SD V60 60MB/sec 1080p *SD U3 V30 30MB/sec 720p *SD C10 U1 V10 A1 A2 10MB/sec minimum should be used now *SD C06 6MB/sec *SD C04 4MB/sec </pre> As a homage to the past, Aros shows a reduced number of icons but this can be changed by left mouse click in the window and then right click down to Window -> View -> All files Windows can be manipulated by the top (moving) and the bottom right corner (resizing) only. Zune like MUI gui interface, has a unique quirk in that after changing a setting in a text box, you may sometimes need to press Enter/Return before clicking OK, Save, etc Like most amiga like OSs the audio and networking need to be setup manually Audio AHI prefs - Mode settings tab - needs both Music unit and Unit 0 set to RPiHDMI:16 bit stereo++ or RPiPWM:16 bit stereo++ at 44100Hz. Press '''Save or Use''' button after each choice Double left mouse click on most picture (Developer/Debug/Tests/Datatypes), audio and video files are supported, via datatypes, by the multiview application. Esc escape key usually closes open windows even the desktop In Prefs/Appearance some decorative theming elements need work. There is a few Mason icons in /Prefs/Presets/Icons/Mason/ and the ever present default Gorilla - Icon exchange in works For more intensive graphics applications, you may need to edit config.txt in the root folder and change 128M to 256M to adjust more memory to graphics usage If your cursor should '''appear''' to vanish, fear not it is still there. Please head to the top of the screen, hold down the left click mouse and drag the screen down a little and it will appear again. [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=network/browser amelinium web browser] is available with an [https://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=122494&page=51 eab thread] reminiscent of [https://github.com/zapek/Voyager Voyager] and to a lesser extent [https://github.com/amigazen/aweb3/ Aweb] as javascript websites can be slow to load and nothing from youtube, facebook, reddit etc. Press Cancel at screenmode selector or -wb argument to get windowed version. You may have to delete the cache (in same folder) to fully retest newer versions. You could use the Shift + Del shortcut or mouse wheel should work to delete all text at once. To view wikibooks set Agent to Android (telefon) or iPhone setting in menus. [https://Html5test.com Html5test] gives 189 out of 555. For wireless, please use the Wifi prefs and already selected device bwfm.device. Press Scan and double right click on the router and enter password. You may need to setup after every reboot. Another thing to try is go to Network Prefs, Wireless Networks tab and highlight the router line and hit the remove button and press the cancel button. Retry with Wifi prefs again. For lan ethernet port, please use Network prefs and the following hardware is *lan9514 Pi3b Pi2 no support at the moment *lan7515 Pi3b+ type into Device usblan78xx.device as net0: remove other device(s) *bcmgenet Pi4 Pi400 choose for Device bcmgenet.device (network prefs still forgets random information when rebooted) Summary *3b ethernet not supported, usb ethernet not working but wifi prefs setup works *3b+ wifi working but ethernet untested *4 untested *400 wifi and ethernet untested There is normally no Bluetooth support for most amiga like OSs but Aros has one [https://github.com/aros-development-team/AROS/commit/6942cbfbf66426d21963a7fcd8aba6aff611a9e0 work in progress] [https://forums.raspberrypi.com/viewtopic.php?t=338466 firmware] *Bluetooth 4.1 BCM43430A1.hcd Pi3B, Pi3A, Zero 2W *Bluetooth 4.2 BCM4345C0.hcd Pi3B+, Pi4 *Bluetooth 5.0 BCM4345C5.hcd Pi4B rev, CM4 and maybe Pi5 and CM5 *bthid keyboard mouse support *btserial serial *btpan short range wireless connecting devices Only the Pi5 has a RTC real time clock, the other Pis will need to use Extras:Networking/utils/ntpsync/ or [https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=network PiNTP -s goodtime.ijs.si or ntp1.ptb.de] to get the date and time from the internet. It helps to have all usb devices already plugged in before power on to detect at the moment. Even then some usb devices will freeze the mouse cursor and the only resolution is to remove the offending usb device and reinsert. Sometimes, the reinsert leads to the mouse cursor vanishing, it is still there and responds to left mouse clicks, top of the screen and pull down the screen. USB classes support from Prefs/Trident is still work in process *usbaudio working on usb3 port (blue) on pi4, 400 but not working (no rt isochronous) on usb2otg (white or black) for pi3b, zero 2w *[https://aminet.net/package/mus/midi/camd camdusbmidi] detects midi devices without a preferences file (Prefs/Env-Archive/sys/midi.prefs) as [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBxHkwy4Nrw auto setup now] possibly with [https://github.com/metaneutrons/mt32-pi metaneutrons mt32-pi] [https://github.com/rtzor/mt32-pi mt32-pi fork] [https://github.com/ahmadexp/mt32-pi fork] [https://github.com/gmcn42/mt32-pi-control control of] [https://github.com/dwhinham/mt32-pi mt32-pi pi3+], [https://homspace.nl/samplerbox/ SamplerBox] or [] as well as need developer gcc tools to look at 64bit ports of [https://archives.arosworld.org/?function=showfile&file=driver/audio/usbmidi.i386-aros.lha usbmidi], [https://aminet.net/package/mus/midi/CAMD_Toolkit CAMD_Toolkit], [https://aminet.net/package/mus/midi/camdtools camdtools], [https://github.com/cnvogelg/amiditools amiditools], [https://github.com/timoinutilis/midi-sequencer-amigaos horny src], [https://aminet.net/package/mus/midi/horny-base horny-base], [http://bnp.hansfaust.de/index.html BnP], [], Regarding 680x0 emulation, there are several options that could be considered *[https://github.com/aros-development-team/AROS/blob/6722a0ae9e03fe5d26e32703360bd2059e0864cc/rom/m68kemu/README.md?plain=1#L424 m68kemu.library] for some Amiga productivity where the cpu is emulated and the system calls are redirected to Aros ones *[https://github.com/BlitterStudio/amiberry amiberry] (winuae) for everything else like games *[https://github.com/jonx/AROS/tree/aarch64-darwin-graft/arch/all-darwin/libs/emu68k emu68k] *[https://scriptedamigaemulator.net/ Scripted Amiga] with [https://github.com/naTmeg/ScriptedAmigaEmulator ScriptedAmigaEmulator] or older [https://github.com/gbraad-amiga/ScriptedAmigaEmulator2 ScriptedAmigaEmulator2] [https://pinout.xyz/ GPIO 40 pins] [https://learn.sparkfun.com/tutorials/raspberry-gpio/gpio-pinout pinout] Some exceptions: *Physical pins 27, 28 (GPIO0, 1) are an internal I2C bus and should not be used *The other I2C on pins 3, 5 (GPIO 2, 3) can be used generally, but be aware they have permanent pull-up resistors to 3.3V *For MIDI use USB but there are dedicated UART pins 8, 10 (GPIO 14, 15). With a HAT it's more awkward -- you need to know which pins are used by the HAT and avoid them. Hopefully this will be documented. Remember all GPIOs are 3.3V (not 5V tolerant), floating/noisy inputs can cause odd behavior, and that shorting the power supplies can cause instant death of the Pi. In the shell GPIO PIN/A/N,SET/N,GET/S,MODE/K,PULL/K Controls and queries hardware GPIO pins via gpio.resource which is stored in the rom or Devs/ '''please test''' *PIN -- (Required) Target GPIO pin number (e.g. 12). *SET -- Set pin output value to 0 (LOW) or 1 (HIGH). *GET -- Read and print current digital input level (0 or 1). *MODE -- Configure pin mode: IN (Input), OUT (Output), ALT (Alternate). *PULL -- Configure pull resistor: NONE, UP, DOWN. EXAMPLES <pre> GPIO 12 MODE OUT GPIO 12 SET 1 GPIO 12 GET GPIO 13 PULL UP </pre> [https://gpiozero.readthedocs.io/en/stable/installing.html Current] [https://gpiozero.readthedocs.io/en/v1.2.0/api_boards.html old support for gpiozero is unknown at present] [https://energenie4u.co.uk/res/pdfs/ENER314%20UM.pdf and associated 433MHz equipment] [ USA X10 security and lights via USB] [ OpenHab with Shelly Smart Plug connected over Wi-Fi, controlled by MQTT or HTTP] Printing only with Postscript but [https://github.com/bohunamiga/MintPRINT one] of [https://github.com/boingball/MintPRINT two] [https://github.com/Andiweli/AmiAirPrint/tree/main AirPrint] IPP has been attempted with [https://www.arosworld.org/infusions/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=2061&pid=13954#post_13954 discussion] Youtube [], [], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4fmWAIv7FE Aros native on Pi3b], [], [], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSxlYb1eQWU Installed on Pi3b+], [], [], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFF1H3jCoz8 testing Aros native on Pi400], [], [], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIVx7mh1E1Q&pp=ygUHYXJvcyBwadIHCQkTDAGHKiGM7w%3D%3D Aros on Thumb 2 based 32bit-ish ARM STM32H743 board], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQM4CD64xDE&t=612s&pp=ugUEEgJlbg%3D%3D Performance under Linux] but on Aros... {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Pi ! width="10%" |Single Core 2D ! width="10%" |Single Core 3D ! width="10%" |Single Core 3D ! width="10%" |SMP 2D ! width="10%" |SMP 3D ! width="10%" |SMP 3D ! width="35%" |Comments |- | <!--Pi-->Pi3 | <!--Single Core 2D--> | <!--Single Core 3D--> | <!--Single Core 3D--> | <!--SMP 2D--> | <!--SMP 3D--> | <!--SMP 3D--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} For the Pi1 Pi2 Pi2B the status of AROS native ARMv6 for 32bit RasPi was OK. System booting, USB working (although with some issues but plans to fix them). 32bit native [http://www.aros.org/nightly1.html ARMv6 32bit nightlys] raspi-armhf-system raspi-armhf-contrib unbz2'd to fat32 microSD ===Hosted=== AArch64 CPU backend for AROS, a Cocoa/Metal display, clipboard / host-volume / CoreAudio / BSD-sockets bridges, GPU 2D via gpufx.library, a 68k→AArch64 JIT (run68k), and a full Rust std port. On [https://www.jkn.me/blog/macaros-aros-on-apple-silicon/ latest Apple Silicon] [https://github.com/jonx/Macaros early buggy alpha version of hosted Aros .dmg on MacOS12+]. Please use [https://github.com/jonx/Macaros/issues MACAros github] for issues, features etc and possibly [https://www.arosworld.org/infusions/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=2030&pid=13910#post_13910 here] [http://www.aros.org/snapshots1.html old linux and android hosted 32bit] ==== Hosted ==== =====64bit===== [https://www.arosworld.org/infusions/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=2019&rowstart=80&pid=13667#post_13667 Ubuntu Linux PC hosted Pi compiler build] [https://github.com/BlitterStudio/aros-compiler-docker Docker based cross compiler for various Aros systems], =====32bit===== Ubuntu VM approach to compiling [http://lallafa.de/blog/2013/06/building-aros-hosted-for-raspbian/ Linux hosted AROS June 04, 2013] ../AROS/configure --target=linux-armhf --enable-includes=/usr/arm-linux-gnueabihf/include --x-includes=/usr/arm-linux-gnueabihf/include --x-libraries=/usr/arm-linux-gnueabihf/lib arm-elf- is symbol-linked to arm-linux-gnueabi- (arm-linux-gnueabi- is more correct in this case, because it's going to be compiling the ARM AROSBootstrap for ARM Linux) *armel - many of the "android" machines require since the entire OS is made for soft float VFP. *armfp - Efika MX target, Raspberry PI, EfikaMX, Pandora and virtually everything (VFP) Keep in mind it's possible to start hardfp AROS hosted on softfp system, though, as long as no calls between AROS and host require floating point parameters. NOTE: hardfloat objects *cannot* be linked with softfloat objects - they have a different ABI. Just keep in mind the arm nightly build machine is quite complex beast. It needs the x86_64 host compiler to compile AROS tools. The arm version is built every night using gcc-4.6.2 crosscompiler (built together with AROS) and successfully builds armel and armhf linux hosted targets. *needs an AROS code compiler for ARM target *as well as unix compiler for ARM linux host (would be best to have both softfp and armhf, we have softfp only now) with full set of libraries and includes. with—disable-crosstools $AROS_CC is always a wrapper around $KERNEL_CC ? If so, this is wrong for some ports. This can break Darwin, Windows and Android port. Yes, Android port will build. And even work. But it's not good because the port will not be ABI-compatible with other ARM ports. Android's ABI is different from GNUEABI. For example: <pre> enum test {foo, bar}; enum test testvar; </pre> sizeof(testvar) will be equal to sizeof(int) in GNUEABI (Linux and AROS) and sizeof(short) on Android. This affects linking objects from static linklibs, for example. Previously everything worked because $AROS_CC was a wrapper on top of $HOST_CC. And a real crosscompiler was used on non-ELF hosts. Android is the same. $KERNEL_CC is incompatible with AROS. compiler=kernel is appropriate _ONLY FOR CODE WHICH RUNS ON HOST OS_ (or barebone hardware, if we talk about native). This includes bootstraps, their linklibs, and host-side dynamic libraries (Windows makes extensive use of them because of architectural considerations. No single AROS object should be compiled with this setting. $KERNEL_CC is really compatible with AROS *ONLY IN LINUX-HOSTED* and no more. On other systems (Darwin, Windows, Android) this is not true any more, and compiler=kernel is never going to work. If you want to compile your AROS module against host OS includes, append the following to USER_INCLUDES (or USER_CFLAGS, this is effectively the same): -isystem $(GENINCDIR) $(KERNEL_INCLUDES) $(KERNEL_INCLUDES) expands to: -isystem <your_os_includes> -isystem <host_OS_gcc_private_includes> -nostdinc This makes AROS compiler adhering to host OS APIs. If you want some preprocessor symbols based on what your host OS actually is, add something like -DHOST_OS_$(AROS_HOST_ARCH). Why is there $(GENINCDIR) at all? Because host OS has its own libc includes, which would conflict with AROS ones. And the host OS libc is not binary-compatible with AROS one. Why doesn't Windows-hosted port use $(KERNEL_INCLUDES) ? Because WinAPI includes conflict with AROS ones in fundamental typedefs, like WORD, BYTE and BOOL. It's almost impossible to deal with this in any other way than rewriting WinAPI definitions using AROS types. Building under centos 6.3 (i386) currently, and AROS creates the toolchain itself. haven't yet committed the necessary changes but "./configure --target=raspi-armhf" is enough to start, then "make arosboot-raspi" will generate arosraspi.img (containing the bootstrap, kernel.resource, and exec.library) as well as arosraspi.rom (containing all the other essentials components such as dos, graphics etc). It will also copy over a config.txt file to make the raspi bootstrap code load the correct kernel, and a cmdline.txt that enables exec debug output. *armel = typically Debian 6, Ubuntu Maverick, Android, *armhf = typically Debian 7, Debian 8, Ubuntu Precise, Cross-compiling Ubuntu ARM softfp <pre> sudo sh echo 'foreign-architecture armel' >>/etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/multiarch echo 'deb [arch=armel] http://ports.ubuntu.com/ precise main universe' >/etc/apt/sources.list.d/armel.list apt-get update apt-get install gcc-arm-linux-gnueabi libx11-dev:armel libsdl-dev:armel </pre> <pre> ./configure --target=linux-arm --x-includes=/usr/include \ --enable-includes=/usr/arm-linux-gnueabi/include </pre> Cross-compiling Ubuntu ARM hard-float <pre> sudo sh echo 'foreign-architecture armhf' >>/etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/multiarch echo 'deb [arch=armhf] http://ports.ubuntu.com/ precise main universe' >/etc/apt/sources.list.d/armhf.list apt-get update apt-get install gcc-arm-linux-gnueabihf libx11-dev:armhf libsdl-dev:armhf </pre> <pre> ./configure --target=linux-armhf --x-includes=/usr/include \ --enable-includes=/usr/arm-linux-gnueabihf/include </pre> Now, the AROS build is configured properly and all you need to do is: make ==Build== ===64bit=== ===32bit=== # download/checkout the source someplace, e.g. /build/AROS-Src/ # make a directory to store external sources AROS downloads, e.g. /build/Ports # make a build directory, e.g. /build/aros-raspi-armhf # cd into the build dir, configure, and then run make -: <pre> >cd /build/aros-raspi-armhf >/build/AROS-Src/configure --target=raspberrypi-armhf --with-serial-debug --enable-ccache --with-portssources=/build/Ports >make >make arosboot-raspi </pre> then copy the files from /build/aros-raspi-armhf/bin/raspi-armhf/AROS/ onto an sdcard, and download/copy the Raspi firmware files onto it. You should then be able to boot the sdcard on your RasPi. The current W.I.P tree to svn. it can be built as follows .. <pre> ./configure --target=raspi-armhf make arosboot-raspi </pre> That will generate arosraspi.img, arosraspi.rom and config.txt in bin/raspi-arm/AROS - so either copy just those files to a fat formatted SD card (with the firmware files on), or copy the whole contents of the AROS folder. NB - if you have a Linux/other install, backup the existing config.txt first arosraspi.img contains the bootstrap (which has very basic mailbox code, framebuffer/gpio init, and console "emulation" via code pinched from our libbootconsole), kernel.resource, and exec.library arosraspi.rom contains all the other components needed to boot AROS. The config.txt file will tell the RasPI bootstrap to load the arosraspi kernel and ramdisk (rom). the bootstrap has minimal mailbox code, planning on adding either a resource or library that driver/app code will use to access it (likewise for GPIO) Help building AROS hosted on Linux ARM Was looking a way to use more my Handheld ARM based called Pyra (Dragonbox Pyra) an ARM (Omap5 cpu with 4GB ram) linux based machine (Debian Buster v10 with kernel 5.6.19 adapted) and have a try to compile the latest Aros sources by Deadwood directly on this device. Compilation stops after build libpopupmenu.a and trying to build libatomic have this error: <pre> Configuring build in bin/linux-arm/gen/host/tools/crosstools/gnu/gcc/arm-aros/libatomic configure: WARNING: unrecognized options: --disable-nls, --without-x checking for --enable-version-specific-runtime-libs... no checking for --enable-generated-files-in-srcdir... no checking build system type... arm-unknown-linux-gnu checking host system type... arm-unknown-aros checking target system type... arm-unknown-aros checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c checking whether build environment is sane... yes checking for arm-aros-strip... /media/farox/pyra2/arosbuilds/toolchain-core-armhf/arm-aros-strip checking for a thread-safe mkdir -p... /usr/bin/mkdir -p checking for gawk... no checking for mawk... mawk checking whether make sets $(MAKE)... yes checking whether make supports nested variables... yes checking for arm-aros-gcc... /media/farox/pyra2/arosbuilds/toolchain-core-armhf/arm-aros-gcc checking whether the C compiler works... no configure: error: in /media/farox/pyra2/arosbuilds/toolchain-core-armhf-build/bin/linux-arm/gen/host/tools/crosstools/gnu/gcc/arm-aros/libatomic': configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables See config.log' for more details make[2]: *** [mmakefile:4489: /media/farox/pyra2/arosbuilds/toolchain-core-armhf-build/bin/linux-arm/gen/host/tools/crosstools/gnu/gcc/arm-aros/libatomic/.configured] Error 77 [MMAKE] make --no-print-directory TOP=/media/farox/pyra2/arosbuilds/toolchain-core-armhf-build SRCDIR=/media/farox/pyra2/arosbuilds/AROS CURDIR=tools/crosstools/gnu TARGET=tools-crosstools-gcc-libatomic-configure -s --file=mmakefile tools-crosstools-gcc-libatomic-configure failed: 512 [MMAKE] Error: Error while running make in tools/crosstools/gnu: No such file or directory make[1]: *** [Makefile:361: linklibs-libatomic] Error 10 make: *** [Makefile:183: crosstools] Error 2 </pre> looking at config.log on arosbuilds/toolchain-core-armhf-build/bin/linux-arm/gen/host/tools/crosstools/gnu/gcc/arm-aros/libatomic found that arosbuilds/toolchain-core-armhf/arm-aros-ld: cannot find -laeabi so do make linklibs-aeabi-arm-quick and the missing lib was built. now the next stop is at fatal error: bits/libc-header-start.h: No such file or directory and fatal error: sys/cdefs.h: No such file or directory in many places so after checking that have this missing include files i have noted that my include path is a bit different, standard searching path is /usr/arm-linux-gnueabihf but in my system is /usr/include/arm-linux-gnueabihf so if i add my path to some mmakefiles compilation goes on....but is a better way to add this path to avoid every mmakefiles to be changed? fixed with adding -I/usr/include/arm-linux-gnueabihf to where is missing on mmakefiles like USER_INCLUDES := -isystem $(GENINCDIR) -I/usr/include/arm-linux-gnueabihf $(KERNEL_INCLUDES) P.s. I have changed many mmakefiles and have at least compiled (after many hours) the toolchain doing make every time in arosbuilds/toolchain-core-armhf-build (also have to disable making tests under cplusplus but don't remember the directory ...) but ask an help to have an automated way to correctly build without modify mmakefiles. Last time built armhf target was around 2 years ago. At that point built is via cross-compilation from linux (ubuntu 22.04) using linux armhf crosscompiler (this can explain the path differences you are experiencing) as well as using AROS gcc cross-compiler in version 6.5.0 (build with option 21) in rebuild.sh). Since then AROS GCC has been updated to 10.5.0 and don't believe anyone tried to build the armhf target again. My suggestion would be to downgrade GCC to 6.5.0 (via editing AROS/config/gcc_def file) and try to first build using cross-compilation from x86_64 linux. Once that works, you will have a "template" to compare to native compilation under arm linux. Thanks for your suggestion...but think the toolchain with GCC 10.5.0 is compilable if i found a way to pass the path of my system to the script that build (option 21 on rebuild). The other only changes are (but don't know where to modify...) is to add the build of libaeabi and disable the building of some tests under cplusplus that use exceptions and is not supported under ARM. try to crosscompile with my Linux amd64 PC. For paths look into core-linux-armhf/bin/linux-armhf/gen/config/target.cfg. A number of build-wide variable is set there containing paths to local build system. These variables and the target.cfg file are generated by AROS ./configure script. Thanks compilation now go forward...changed target.cfg under "toolchain-core-armhf-build/bin/linux-arm/gen/config" and do make on "toolchain-core-armhf-build" dir. Need to find where to enable build libaeabi.a so can build the entire toolchain with option 21 of rebuild.sh Found something that looks like libeabi in AROS/arm-all/arm-aeabi/mmakefile.src. Try adding a third line there: #MM- linklibs-armhd : libklibs-aeabi-arm Don't remember needing this library. Possibly the 6.5.0 GCC somehow does this while 10.5.0 is missing this. Try adding this line (and the variant "linklibs-armhf" instead of hd) but it did not solve the automatic building of the missing lib. I must do "linklibs-aeabi-arm-quick". Anyway after have build the aeabi lib i succefully built the toolchain (after many hours...). Smile To test I restarted from selecting option 21 (on rebuild.sh) but after many hours i get the same error of the kernel includes not found...maybe i need to modify the configure script for my case. With the toolchain built i try to build the core-linux-armhf (DEBUG) (option 22) but after a while it stopped with "cannot find -laeabi " so i made it built manually...and now i can continue compiling...i'll let you know if all goes ok. == Hardware == ===64bit=== ====BCM2712==== With the Pi5 Broadcom VideoCore 7 vc7 is an integrated GPU with 12 cores and up to 800 MHz clock. VideoCore VII is capable of OpenGL ES 3.1 and Vulkan 1.2. The driver support for the Raspberry Pi continues to build upon the [https://lore.kernel.org/dri-devel/20230928114532.167854-1-itoral@igalia.com/ open-source V3D driver] stack within [https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/25450 Mesa] hopefully be merged for Mesa 23.3 *Raspberry Pi M.2 HAT+ Expansion Board *Geekworm X1001 PCIe to M.2 Key-M NVMe *Geekworm X1003 PCIe to M.2 HAT NVMe SSD PIP Board for Raspberry Pi 5 *Pineboards Pi Hut HatDrive! M.2 HAT 2024/V4 *Hat+ Gen2 Gen3 Nvme *GeeekPi 52Pi N04 for Raspberry Pi 5 NVME M.2 * *2024 RPI AI HAT - Hailo 20TOPs no LLMs *2026 RPI AI HAT+ 2 - Hailo 40TOPs slightly better? [https://www.raspberrypi.com/documentation/accessories/camera.html Cameras for Pi] *Raspberry Pi camera module, the V3 with Sony IMX708 back-illuminated CMOS 12 Megapixel sensor *Raspberry Pi Camera Module V2 – 8MP Sony IMX219 Sensor *Raspberry Pi camera Rev 1.3, 5MP 1080P OV5647 image/video module, 2592 x 1944 pixels ====BCM2711==== With the Pi4 an ARM a72 cpu is about x3 times the size of an a53 in the Pi3 the 2711b line used more power when idle, compared to the 2711c *2018 Raspberry Pi PoE HAT Power Over Ethernet Hat - design issues *2020 Raspberry Pi PoE+ HAT Power Over Ethernet Hat Pi3b+ Pi4 only - better design *Waveshare PoE HAT (B) with cooling fan for Raspberry Pi 3B+/4B 802.3af PoE *[https://github.com/axizo-pi/V3DLib vc6 V3D 4.2] is derived from [https://docs.broadcom.com/doc/12358545 vc4], but it is significantly different The QPU pipeline stays mostly the same, you still have an add ALU and a multiply ALU and it can issue two ALU OPs per cycle. There is still 4 SIMD lanes, interleaved over 4 cycles. The instruction encoding for the QPUs is different, but the core instructions are the same. Instructions for packed 8 bit int math has been dropped, along with most of the pack modes. Instructions for packed 16bit float math has been added (2 floats at in a single operation) With vc5/vc6, you write two packed 16f value to the tilebuffer (or four writes of 32f, if you are using the rgba32f framebuffer). And there is a handy vfpack operation which allows you to pack two f32s into a single 32bit value in a single instruction. You can vfpack directly into the tile buffer register. the multiply ALU can now fadd, so you can issue two fadds per instruction. the add ALU has gained a bunch of new instructions the A and B register files have been merged. You still only get an A read and a B read per instruction, but they read from one big register file (which means the underlying memory block has gone from two sets of "one read port, one write port" to one "two read ports, one write port" block) The theoretical max FLOPs per QPU remains the same at two per cycle, other than the bump from 400mhz to 500mhx but it looks like a lot of effort has been put putting those theoretical FLOPs to better use. *vc4 could run one or two threads per QPU. When you ran in two thread mode, the available register file halfed to 32 registers. *vc5 added a four thread per QPU mode, with 16 registers per thread. *vc6 doubled the size of the register file. You could now use all 64 threads in two thread mode and 32 registers in for thread mode. Single thread mode was removed, you always have at least two threads. With the threading improvements, the QPUs should spent much less time idle waiting NOPs for memory requests. Most of the design changes have gone to improving the fixed function hardware around the QPUs. A fixed function blend unit has been added, which should reduce load on the QPUs when doing alpha blending. hope software blending is still possible The tile buffer can now store upto 4 render targets (up to 128bits per pixel, so if you are using 4 32bit render targets, you can't have a depth buffer) A MMU, allowing a much simpler/faster kernel driver. Many more texture formats, framebuffer formats. All the features needed for opengl es 3.0 H.265 / HEVC decoder is a HEVCv2 Main 4:4:4 10 design supporting bitstreams up to profile 5.1 HEVC hardware decode supports 4kp60, 10-bit. Audio output is pretty much unchanged, but the HDMI audio channels now support 8x192kHz bitrates Each ALU typically have 2 floating point operators, and as you pointed out in a earlier post videocore 6 is no exception, with both a multiply and additive floating point operator. Thus theoretical GFLOPs are calculated with both operators in mind. That is what the 2 in my formula represents, and is common across any modern programmable shader, whether you calculate Nvidia, AMD, Intel, Boardcom or any other company's GPUs. Total ALUs * 2 * GHz clock = GFLOPs, In the case of Raspberry Pi 3, it's 24 ALUs * 2 operators * 0.4GHz = 19.2GFLOPs If the Videocore 6 does indeed only have 16 ALUs (16 * 2 * 0.5GHz), you'd have only 16GFLOPs but they are better utilised Possible maximum performance <pre> VideoCore IV @ 250MHz: 250 [MHz] x 3 [slice] x 4 [qpu/slice] x 4 [processor] x 2 [op/clock] = 24 Gflop/s VideoCore IV @ 300MHz: 300 [MHz] x 3 [slice] x 4 [qpu/slice] x 4 [processor] x 2 [op/clock] = 28.8 Gflop/s VideoCore VI @ 500MHz: 500 [MHz] x 2 [slice] x 4 [qpu/slice] x 4 [processor] x 2 [op/clock] = 32 Gflop/s </pre> Faster LPDDR4 memory. ====BCM2837==== With the Pi3 * Broadcom BCM43438 chip provides 2.4&nbsp;GHz 802.11n wireless LAN, Bluetooth Low Energy, and Bluetooth 4.1 Classic radio support, 3B+ [https://github.com/aros-development-team/AROS/commit/afa5bc0bb17d5dd06bcfdbac00853a3799ca8d76 LAN7515] The overclock ability has diminished with each chip version as the energy usage has increased. BCM2837 is one of the warmest yet and benefits from active fan cooling if all four cpu cores are in use for a short while. Video playback is not affected due to the custom support in the GPU. 5 V / 2.4 or 2.5 amp power supply recommended if all four cpu cores are running, else throttling (cpu slowdown) might occur. Dual VDP and scalable QPU in VC4 ARMv8-A has [https://developer.arm.com/documentation/102412/0100/Privilege-and-Exception-levels privilege levels] where userspace typically runs at ‘EL0’, the kernel at ‘EL1’ or ‘EL2’ and the firmware at the highest level ‘EL3’. ===32bit=== === Core Kernel === ====BCM2708(family)==== which includes the [http://elinux.org/RPi_Hardware BCM2835] (ARM1176JZF-S 700&nbsp;MHz CPU + VideoCore IV GPU + up to 1GB RAM) *Framebuffer (fb) using mailbox *IRQ scheduler, etc *Arasan based SD Card controller *Synopsis DesignWare USB 2.0 OTG controller [http://networkdirection.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=106:rasperry-pi-usb-controller&catid=45:raspberry-pi&Itemid=54 Unofficial DOCS pdf], [dwc_otg.c FreeBSD], [], [https://www.riscosopen.org/viewer/view/mixed/RiscOS/Sources/HWSupport/USB/Controllers/DWCDriver/ RiscOS USB Driver], [https://www.riscosopen.org/forum/forums/5/topics/878 RiscOS USB Discussion], [https://www.riscosopen.org/forum/forums/11/topics/1893 Other USB RiscOS], [http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/index.html Plan9 Miller's usb] http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sources/contrib/miller/, [https://github.com/Chadderz121/csud CSUD driver], *[http://www.smsc.com/media/Downloads_Public/Data_Sheets/9512.pdf SMSC 9512] USB LAN/Hub chip *CMOS RAM *VCHIQ port which sends messages to the GPU e.g. for mouse, keyboard, audio on HDMI, etc *Audio Driver *Serial Peripheral Interface Bus (SPI) *[http://www.susa.net/wordpress/2012/06/raspberry-pi-pcf8563-real-time-clock-rtc/ I2C registers] *I2S *Universal Asynchronous Receiver Transmitter (UART) *[http://elinux.org/RPi_BCM2835_GPIOs GPIOs] and [http://www.adafruit.com/blog/2012/08/17/broadcom-bcm2835-peripheral-memory-map-and-gpio-alternate-use-chart-piday-raspberrypi-raspberry_pi/ Alternative view of GPIO] BCM2836 * For Pi B+, PI 2 and Pi 3 SMSC LAN9514 chip adding 10/100 Ethernet connectivity and four USB channels to the board *[http://www.andrewscheller.co.uk/rpi_pcb_modules.html PCB], [http://elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals Low level features], Implemented so far... # Modify the configure system so that it correctly builds for the arm hardware float raspi target. # Implemented the bootstrap to load the aros modules and prepare the arm to jump into them. Reworked the x86 console support so that parts can be stolen for raspi to use since t has no basic functionality to output to the display. # Implemented a kernel.resource to prepare the raspi for running aros and provide the low level api calls to expose available resources and allow exec, etc function. # Implemented serial debug support # Implemented the exec (and kernel) functionality required to make multitasking work (and interrupts, exceptions, syscalls, etc) # Implemented a timer.device to utilise the hardware timers. # Implemented a very basic gfx driver to expose the hardware's framebuffer. # Implemented an SD-Card driver for AROS which presently only supports the raspi's chipset but can easily be modified to support all sd-card hardware and media. # Fixed the fat filesystem support in AROS so that it can boot on RasPi's normal SD-Card setup. The "rom" image files needed use a different filename than the default linux, etc images so can be easily installed without harming the existing files - you only need to change the loaded images in the config file to get aros to boot. # Updated the build scripts to automatically download the necessary raspi firmware files and wrap it all up so that you can simply extract the archive to a fat formatted sdcard and boot it on the raspi without having to get anything else. # fix everything in contrib and ports to build for raspi (needs proper testing/fixes but allows every component to actually compile at least, including owb) + numerous other fixes to get things working on arm/raspi .. Improvements... # Implement a USB chipset driver "OR" finish the existing one [https://github.com/aros-development-team/AROS/commit/c07d13c724f944674be5db54fc6a71ee72a01809 usb otg] - the current code is mostly a skeleton that should initialise the chipset and then needs relevant code to support the different transfer types. It also has the "virtual" hub code in place to represent the raspi's USB port (from poseidons p.o.v) # Implement a driver for the USB NIC (a few weeks - depends on USB above) # Write an [https://github.com/aros-development-team/AROS/commit/d55d0f74d20b769bbb8c8d386e5c1d7a9154f05a audio driver] (a few weeks - independent of USB) and [https://github.com/aros-development-team/AROS/commit/e93a4c245f27a87c9c4c1d39206694b39059998a HDMI] # fix syscall bug in the current raspi kernel code # Graphics depend on having a decent "bcmdma.resource" implemented as to use the cpu's dma engine. The sd card driver needs to use it for transfers to/from the controller - and the gfx system needs to use it for "blitting". # [https://github.com/aros-development-team/AROS/commit/4019d84e4975d4dad987a12d57fe108f5ac048e6 Improve the gfx driver], [ vc4gfx HIDD] add [http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/VC4/ Gallium3D support] # [https://github.com/aros-development-team/AROS/commit/b13905b3e8e45b089f520b44692c81affddd066f Improve] the [https://github.com/aros-development-team/AROS/commit/3a876755c070f5c73c4f53c7f4d35b4f923088b9 sdcard] device driver - which is also pretty basic but should work with most cards, rework it to also support pci, etc. sd card interfaces on x86 # The current code using very rudimentary access to the gpio interface - so that should be implemented as some resource for other components to access, as-well as the i2c interface exposed over the gpio interface. that should have a hidd class implemented which uses the gpio resource to communicate. Boot up typical for most other OSs before the open sourcing of many binary blobs from 2017 onwards On power-up, the rpi [http://www.open.com.au/mikem/bcm2835/ BCM 2835] [https://github.com/hermanhermitage/videocoreiv VideoCore4] GPU, not the ARM CPU, is in control, and the SD card slot is the only peripheral device with power. The firmware burned into the BCM2835's VideoCoreIV GPU PROM requires a DOS-style partition table; a FAT-formatted first partition; and the freely redistributable but closed sourced Broadcom files “bootcode.bin” and “start.elf” in that partition. The boot sequence carries out several pre-boot tasks *On powering of the rpi, the GPU reads and executes bootcode.bin, which then loads start.elf *The GPU loads the “start.elf” file, eventually, into the L2 cache and then executes it *configures the memory split for the CPU and GPU *reads and parses “config.txt” from the same partition on the SD card and applies the settings (like a PC’s BIOS settings) *loads the “kernel.img” file, again from the same partition *activates the CPU to begin executing the loaded kernel image The CPU/GPU memory split is hard-coded into start.elf, so Broadcom provides three start.elf images, to give 32M, 64M, or 128M to the GPU for multimedia performance, and the remainder to the CPU. RPi uses [https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware some closed source loaders] and at some point it loads a binary blob named "kernel.img" at 0x8000, at that point there would be a rudimentary Aros alive. If one wants to use the SD-card then there would have to be a driver for the interface and a fat filesystem handler (SD-card has to be formatted to fat filesystem) Boot code and kernel are now linked together and made into that binary blob, just for starters. Raspberry Pi uses [http://kernelnomicon.org/?p=133 u-boot] and [http://kernelnomicon.org/?p=138 UBoot] as bootloader, there's already some code in the Efika MX port for that. UBoot is a native bootloader and not just for the raspberry pi, it loads after start.elf. You can find Efika MX port from arch implementations, some hacking is needed for the mmakefile.src'es as iit dates back to before the Aros crosstool era or else you get some weird errors while building. You also need to code the bootstrap and serial handling. At the moment it seems that a fastest route for the native build would be to make one binary blob without using the package system. Raspberry's memory layout is pretty simple and if the implemented u-boot doesn't support loading other modules <pre> ? - alias for 'help' mtest - simple RAM test autoscr - run script from memory base - print or set address offset bbm - BBM sub-system bdinfo - print Board Info structure boot - boot default, i.e., run 'bootcmd' bootd - boot default, i.e., run 'bootcmd' bootm - boot application image from memory bootp - boot image via network using BootP/TFTP protocol cmp - memory compare coninfo - print console devices and information cp - memory copy crc32 - checksum calculation echo - echo args to console fatinfo - print information about filesystem fatload - load binary file from a dos filesystem fatls - list files in a directory (default /) go - start application at address 'addr' help - print online help iminfo - print header information for application image itest - return true/false on integer compare jade - loadb - load binary file over serial line (kermit mode) loads - load S-Record file over serial line loady - load binary file over serial line (ymodem mode) loop - infinite loop on address range md - memory display mm - memory modify (auto-incrementing) mtest - simple RAM test mw - memory write (fill) nfs - boot image via network using NFS protocol nm - memory modify (constant address) pci - list and access PCI Configuration Space ping - send ICMP ECHO_REQUEST to network host printenv - print environment variables rarpboot - boot image via network using RARP/TFTP protocol reset - Perform RESET of the CPU run - run commands in an environment variable saveenv - save environment variables to persistent storage saves - save S-Record file over serial line setenv - set environment variables sleep - delay execution for some time tftpboot - boot image via network using TFTP protocol USB - USB sub-system usbboot - boot from USB device version - print monitor version </pre> And there is one more thing about modular ports. In order to actually implement this, your bootstrapping environment should provide the ability to load several files. On PC this is provided by GRUB2. on CHRP you can read filesystem via OpenFirmware, and Sam's Parthenope relies on modified u-boot. If your bootstrap allows to load only a single file, then you stuck with monolithic kickstart. By the way... u-boot allows not only to boot up a single uImage or zImage, it also allows to write client programs AFAIK. With this approach, you actually can write modular bootstrap for ARM AROS using unmodified u-boot. Most used [http://www.compulab.co.il/workspace/mediawiki/index.php5/U-Boot_quick_reference uboot options] are fatls usb 0:1, the reason behind INTB_KERNEL is to allow use of the standard Exec function AddIntServer() to add interrupt handlers for hardware drivers etc. AmigaOS never used it for abstract hardware drivers. AmigaOS routed only raw hardware IRQs there. Their assignment was hardcoded. As well as number of them. Actually on AmigaOS every bus has its own interrupt subsystem. For example PCI bus. PCI interrupts on Amiga are routed to a single exec interrupt. 1:1 relationship between CPU and hardware interrupts is present only on PC. IMHO we miss things like AddInterrupt/RemInterrupt methods on our PCI subsystem's device class. PCI bus class should map these methods to whatever is appropriate. This is how it is done on AmigaOS and friends. When these are implemented, raw kernel.resource API will be needed only for several PC-specific drivers with hardwired resources. Exec IRQs are real IRQs only on Amiga hardware. On other machines they can be emulated where appropriate (VBlank is a good example). kernel.resource is meant to be different, its IRQs are hardware-agnostic, they are plain "Hardware IRQ number X, whatever this means". They are low-level actually, and meaningful only in the context of a particular system. Was that not the transition from irq.hidd to kernel.resource? No. A long time ago there was another hacky bit named INTB_TIMERTICK. It was "abstract timer interrupt", used by timer.device. It was the same as VBlank, but with larger frequency. I removed it, because kernel.resource API was a cleaner way to access this interrupt. Furthermore, there can be more than one timer in the system. Thinking about bringing back timer HIDD definitions again. hpet.resource is a bad idea. Can someone please enlighten me a little on how the scheduler is meant to work? Poseidon.library creates its "Poseidon Event Task" during RTF_COLDSTART -> then calls Wait(), and ends up in limbo because wait disables interrupts (used for the scheduler heartbeat), and basically waits forever because the sigbit is never set, since krnSwitch doesn't switch the task unless TF_SWITCH is set, and no codepath run during this seems to set it?? TF_SWITCH does not disable/enable switching. This flag just enables to run user-supplied hook when the task is being switched away. It is completely safe to call Wait() in Disable()d state. Doing this actually temporarily breaks this state. IDNestCnt gets remembered in struct Task, then next task is selected, and its IDNestCnt is restored in sysbase (see kernel_scheduler.c). If there are no other tasks, then your cpu_Dispatch() should enable interrupts on the CPU and enter idle mode. See x86 implementation for good example. You miss what happens next... 1. KrnSwitch() saves context of your task, saves IDNestCnt (core_Switch() and cpu_Switch()), then drops into cpu_Dispatch(). 2. cpu_Dispatch() calls core_Dispatch. Then two cases are possible: 2a. There is a READY task. It is picked up, its IDNestCnt is restored in SysBase, then cpu_Dispatch() needs to restore registers and exit. The next task is run. 2b. There are no READY tasks. core_Dispatch() returns NULL. In this case your cpu_Dispatch() should enter idle loop. It should just enable interrupts on the CPU and put it on halt. This allows it to process hardware interrupts. Eventually some of your interrupt handlers wakes up your task and puts it into READY list. My heartbeat interrupt has been slowed atm to help debugging - but it never actually gets a chance to fire because of the Wait() disabling interrupts. Perhaps you have forgotten to enable interrupts in your idle loop. There is a change in the format of AROS executables. Until now we were using Elf RELocable files which are usually used as intermediate object files. We had them for various reasons, one of them was how AROS files were built in the past. That days we had no real aros cross compiler and the option to embed relocation data in unix executables (or in executable files in general) was rather new and not every linux/unix system had it. Therefore we have decided to use intermediate files. Although it was somehow working (and it is still working :-)), it has some drawbacks. Therefore decided to introduce real Elf EXEC types, in first turn implemented on ARM target with option to expand in future to all other AROS architectures. The first patch was pretty easy and appeared to work somehow. It generated nice executables with embedded relocation info. Not only that, it also removed all global symbols adjusting relocation data to be relative to the beginning of the sections. That move reduced number of symbols in each executable significantly (depending on the file between 20 and 80% of all symbols could be removed). The only symbols that stayed in the file are local ones - due to the nature of the patch wasn't able to remove them since we have not seen them in the symbol hash table. The patch didn't worked though. The files were relocated, AROS kernel loaded, but it crashed very early. What happened? Well, the nature of ARM relocations happened :) Most of the relocation data on all machines is rather simple. Relocation can be absolute or pc-relative, sometimes the offset has to be bit shifted. On ARM v7 there is another one. There, when one wants to load an address of function/variable into register a combination of two instructions can be used: movw and movt. The first one loads immediate into lower 16 bits of a register while clearing upper 16 bits. The second one loads immediate into upper 16 bits without touching lower halfword. Loading of a pointer into a register looks like this: movw r0, #:lower16:label movt r0, #:upper16:label In this case there are two relocations - one for lower halfword and another for upper. If an overflow of lower 16 bits occurs during relocation process, the upper one should be updated as well. Unfortunately with current patch and with typical ARM executables there is not enough information to perform the calculations. There are two options - the first one would be to give up and go back to "fake" executables, another one would be to change from REL to RELA relocation info. The latter contains an addend, extra data which can be used to perform all the relocation calculations I need. Decided for the second option. The patch is already in the works. There is another function for the binutils' bfd backend to perform the final relocation. There can decide what to do with every reloc info, modify data and eventually strip some symbols. An advantage is - at this stage of the linking process have also full access to all local symbols so can change all relocations section relative and eventually strip all symbols from the files. GPU VCore developed by Alphamosaic Ltd and now owned by Broadcom. Most of start.elf runs on the GPU. Placing ALL the userland GPU code in the videocore.hidd isn't going to be a terribly big problem because the code they published is nothing more than a shim that sends data straight to the GPU to execute. The good news about this is that we only need to write our HIDD using the OpenVG API. The shim is relatively small codewise and lives in the ARM memory (the actual OpenVG code itself lives in the GPU RAM area and its loaded from start.elf). That's also the bad news. Our driver has to translate AROS video calls to OpenVG calls, for most tasks it should be easy, for some, not so much. It's still probably less difficult and less work, than controlling the GPU directly. The other good news is that anything done through OpenVG happens on the GPU, its truly accelerated. It also has some nice font functions, meaning we can lead into an accelerated text mode later. Basically, AROS resets or locks up when it tries to use AROS_ATOMIC_INC or DEC. If I comment out the byte/word operations in the header files and use non-atomic operations, the code works as expected. have read that the L1 cache needs to be enabled to use LDREX and co (which I also read is only meant to be used on multi processor systems with shared memory) - however I am certain this is correctly enabled. If you are using LREX or STREX, you should have L1 cache enabled, at least on the ARM CPU I work with at work. L1 cache is enabled by enabling the MMU *AND* setting the C and I bits in the CPU - the C bit is ignored, and the I bit only covers the 16 byte instruction pipeline if the MMU is not enabled. Can you verify that your assembly is generating LDREX/STREX? From the behavior, it almost sounds like its generating the default Semaphore locked atomics. Impossible. There are no semaphore-locked atomics. There are Disable()/Enable()-based ones instead. And there's a special #define AROS_NO_ATOMIC_OPERATIONS in this case, which tweaks Disable()/Enable() implementations not to recurse forever. I have tested this on ARMv5 which does not have ldrex/strex, it works fine. On those ARMs there's no way to have real atomics. On other OSes (like Linux) this is done by introducing things like atomic_t, which appears to be a complex structure, holding the value together with accompanying spinlock (implemented using swp). #warning "TODO: lookup optimal mmu table settings for raspi memory" /* Set up an identity-mapping for all 4GB */ for(x = 0; x < 4096; x ++) { pagetable[x] = x<<20 | (0x40002|0x80000|0x010000|0x00C00|0x04); } Shouldn't there be a second loop that sets the 'C' bit in the descriptor for the RAM pages? Currently, you have TEX=0, C=0, B=1 for all pages (Shared Device). You should have TEX=0, C=1, B=0 for RAM (Write-Through, Cached) So .. pagetable[x] = x<<20 | 2; should be enough? No, for RAM you need to change the '| 0x40' to '| 0x80' tell dosboot the correct defaults to use Please don't do this. This bootconfig.c is a deprecated legacy thing. I wanted it to go away completely with time. Instead, display drivers should auto-install themselves during own initialization phase. I. e. detect hardware=>instantiate itself. This should make things way simpler. With this approach you only need to add the driver into KS image to get the device autobooted. No hardcoded stuff. Currently VESA and VGA drivers do this, look there for examples. never rewrote ATI driver because i don't have any test system for it. they defined a smaller AROSCPUContext than the ExceptionContext - yet reference it as ExceptionContext in other places, and since it hasn't allocated enough storage for ExceptionContext, are corrupting memory/the structure (since the elements that are there don't map 1 to 1 with the exception context). AFAIK, AROS has been moving in a different direction to this in recent years. It is the job of graphics HIDDs to allocate bitmaps etc. so that they have the most suitable characteristics, including allocating them from GPU RAM where possible. The concept of chip RAM is only for legacy code, and most if not all non-68k platforms should have all system RAM marked as chip. BTW, is the video processing code you mention CPU code or GPU code? Also, IIRC we have support for "external memory allocators". Perhaps that's what we need for the allocation of GPU RAM through the mailbox. All hosted and x86 native ports should use proper context formats. trying to clarify if the vblank handler has to have run by this point to prevent this deadlock. Actually, no. Unless you have installed VBlank handler which should wake up at some point. Without VBlank there will be no quantum count. Consequently, there will be no forced preemption. But the rest will work, and multitasking will be cooperative (switch happens only when current task voluntarily gives up the CPU). Does it depend on the vblank having run before this point? and if yes what does that mean on systems where it might be able to run enough code (e.g. get to this point) before the vblank interrupt has triggered? What is it waiting for? It could wait for timer, in this case you need timer.device working. VBlank is currently needed for exec's quantum counter. In current native ports we have only a single timer, which is served by timer.device. VBlank is simulated by timer.device also. If your machine has two timers, then you can use one of them for VBlank, and another for timer.device, this will simplify things down. VBlank needs to be 50 Hz for historical reasons, many programs use it as cheap timer. I am periodically thinking about making some abstract mechanism to be able to change quantum source (and untie it from 50 Hz), but have no time to come up with something good. Additionally i started disliking timer.device hardcoded design when PC has got many timers (old 8253, APIC, HPET). Currently i think there should be some low-level entity representing tick source. timer.device should just select the most appropriate source for its units. The BCM2835 has 4 GPU based timer sources - 2 are used by the GPU, so im using Timer3 for our heartbeat and the remaining one will be free to the system. There is also the less capable ARM timer but that is dependent on the CPU frequency. Very good. You won't need any emulation. Set the heartbeat to 50 Hz and drive VBlank from it. Use other timer for MicroHZ. Can you use the 'econsole.hook' I make for debugging the Sam460 via the serial port? It provides a before-anything-else shell prompt on the serial port. You can then do 'NewCLI' to test your graphics, or use any DOS command in shellcommands.resource. You should just be able to add econsole.hook to your module list, and use 'econsole' in your bootargs. So long as you have a working Exec/RawMayGetChar and Exec/RawPutChar, it should work. Also make sure to add shell.resource and shellcommands.resource for this. That should have done it. If you set "#define DEBUG 1" in arch/all-native/econsole/econsole.c, do you get any additional serial output? have added it to the build and added econsole to the command line - and can see the bootloader picks up on the emergency bootconsole tag, but I still only get the insert bootable media display? Im assuming it exposes a fake filesystem that tricks aros into booting? The contents of which are: ECON:AROS.boot Way to handle the scheduling code? The implementations I had been following were causing problems, due to cascading interrupts which I cant handle properly in the asm stubs just now (when they break disable etc.) - since it means detecting the interrupted codes cpu mode and getting the correct sp/lr for it, and that's just too tedious for arm. To work around this ive added a system idle task which does nothing - and when the scheduling code has no task to run switches this in and lets it run, thereby allowing the interrupts etc to resume until something does need to happen. Also, by adding accounting code to cpu_Switch() and cpu_Dispatch(), it should allow the system to log idle time correctly (as well as running tasks). have thought of also adding an additional task that never runs, solely to record time spent in IRQ handlers, but I digress.. was under the impression that kernel.resource should *never* be used outside of exec.library. This is a wrong impression. Michal started designing it because portable nature of AROS does not fit well into exec's API with all its assumptions. So, he started the new, hardware-agnostic kernel API from scratch. Yes, exec sits on top of it in places. But kernel always meant to be open thing. Otherwise it would not exist. it wasn't meant to be just used willy nilly by user code - but by lower system components (e.g. exec) so that they could be implemented in a more generic fashion, and the kernel resource itself hide the systems quirks. Adding new things there perfectly keeps up with our decision to minimize AROS-specific intervention into APIs which can clash with MorphOS or Amiga OS4 extensions. We want at least source-level compatibility there. Binary compatibility on PPC would be extremely cool, but at the other hand we have no maintainer for this, as well as their ABIs splintering. It depends on what exactly is being implemented - there's no reason we should have everything crammed into kernel.resource if it doesn't need to be (i.e. if its better suited as a separate component/subsystem in its own right) The _LE versions are for when you have endian swapping taking place. If the graphics are the same endian as the CPU, no swapping should occur. I ran into a similar terminology problem in SDL with a friend insisting that his Radeon 7000 on his PC was big-endian. It is not, it just uses the same endianness for the graphics card and the CPU so no swapping was necessary. They were both little-endian. The _LE versions are because the PixFmts refer to the bitmap data being in big endian format in memory, for which the normal version would need to do endianness conversion before applying the shifts/masks. on this platform it is in _LE in memory also so we don't need the conversion hence using the _LE version of the call). would use _LE (if it's really little endian 16 bit mode). What is the bare minimum needed to implement a framebuffer based gfx driver, with our software handling the rest? Have tried with just a gfx class that only expose new/dispose/newbitmap - and having an onscreenbitmap used only for the framebuffer itself (with all other bitmaps being chunkybm, and the framebuffer's superclass also being chunkybm), but that alone isn't enough it seems? You can use workbench/hidds/sm502/ as your example - it is as simple as I could make it. So, AROS creates the framebuffer bitmap (verified this) -> so surely it should be capable of then rendeing into it? I don't actually create the framebuffer "bitmap object" myself - only as a result of being asked to. The code I currently have on SVN seems to create the framebuffers bitmap object fine, but then crashes in intuitions DisplayDriver callback. In particular it crashes performing the getattr on the system default pointer. don't expose MEMF_CHIP in an allocatable form so AllocSpriteData was failing (and other code later doesn't check if the values are valid == illegal memory accesses) So far have -: vc_init: queries the gpus memory, and sets up a fake memory handler for it, then adds the bootmode driver and returns saying all is well vc_gfxhidd:New: sets up some fake syncmodes to test with and creates the real gfx object. vc_gfxhidd:NewBitmap: checks if its a framebuffer and uses the onbitmap class or uses the chunkybm class otherwise vc_onbitmap:New; creates a chunkybm object and then pushes the real framebuffer address into it as the buffer, vc4 had v8adds, v8subs, v8muld, v8min and v8max which operated on four 8bit uint values packed into a 32bit register. Multiplication was in the range 0.0 to 1.0 and addition/subtraction saturated. There were also a range unpacking/packing modes that allowed you to pack and unpack 8bit values into 32bit registers. RasPi has to speak to the "operating system" which runs on the GPU itself and request/free memory - it cant directly manage it itself, and so the managed functions were used to wrap these calls. The Arm and GPU share memory space. The framebuffer is shared. The Arm can write a pixel and it will appear on the screen (through GPU hardware) without flushing/copying being required. The GPU can composite multiple FB's in real time - so you have a number of surfaces defined which are rotated etc and composited in real time to the output. Copying can map from the address space of the Arm to the flat space of the GPU which takes some code, but I don't think whole buffers are copied. The DMA hardware can also access the whole memory space and can perform 2D fills and blits (no blending). This is documented in the peripheral spec posted. The DMA is just an Arm accessible peripheral and can be set up with low latency (e.g. microseconds). must use a 0xc0000000-based bus address to access SDRAM, yet non-DMA access should go via a 0x0-based bus address. For 2D dma, set TDMODE, and the spec says "interpret the TXFR_LEN register as YLENGTH number of transfers each of XLENGTH, and add the strides to the address after each transfer." so set STRIDE to pitch of the image, the width is XLENGTH and height is YLENGTH. You would fill by not setting the SRC_INC and point source to your fill data. The DMA cannot see the ARM's L1 cache, so you would map the framebuffer with ioremap_nocache. Depending on where the source data comes from, it may need an L1 cache flush. The DMA can see the L2 cache. Use 0xC0000000 bus addresses when L2 is disabled and 0x40000000 bus addresses when L2 is enabled. (actually just call virt_to_bus and you'll get the right address out). openGLES/openVG has high latency. Writing to framebuffer then reading it back is very inefficient (e.g. milliseconds). If you can drive it a unidirectional way, just streaming commands at then that is efficient. openVG is not implemented on top of openGLES - it uses the same hardware but as a first class interface To improve the Gfx driver, we will need a DMA resource implemented so can use to perform DMA operations. The Gfx driver will need this to perform blits. Actually MEMF_CHIP has to present, for historical reasons. This has been never fully agreed upon, but in ports i wrote i exposed the whole memory as MEMF_CHIP. The idea behind this is that CHIP is originally the memory where graphics and sound data can be put. On non-Amiga platforms there are no restrictions on this, so the whole memory is CHIP. Yes, many old software can misbehave with CHIP memory size larger than 2MB. But this actually applies only to m68k AROS which is going to run m68k binaries. In other cases it's quite logical to fix the program when porting. As to original question: yes, it's enough to have a framebuffer bitmap (one with aoHidd_BitMap_FrameBuffer set to TRUE) and PutPixel routine. It framebuffer can be served by chunky bitmap class, then you can simply create chunky bitmap with your own buffer (see how VESA driver does this). Chunky PutPixel is already there. struggling to determine what is the correct pixfmt to use for the 24/16/15 bit gfx modes on the RasPi. AFAIK it uses RGB565, for 16bit but im unsure what shifts etc should go with it? suffice to say Im getting the wrong colors so far lol. <pre> redmask: 0x0000F800 greenmask: 0x000007E0 bluemask: 0x0000001F alphamask: 0 redshift: 16 greenshift: 21 blueshift: 27 alphashift: 0 </pre> It should likely be vHidd_StdPixFmt_RGB16_LE This stuff is a bit confusing. The "names" of the stdpixfmts are based on the layout in memory, ignoring endianess. So for example: ARGB32: will be 0xAA 0xRR 0xGG 0xBB in memory on both big endian and little endian machines. The shifts and masks OTOH are based on pixel access (ULONG in this case), so differ depending on whether you run on big endian machine or little endian machine (that's why there's stdpixfmt_le.h and stdpixfmt_be.h in rom/hidds/graphics/). With the 16 bit pixel format it's even more confusing, as for example it's impossible on little endian machine to describe RGB16 with shifts/masks alone. That's why there's vHidd_PixFmt_SwapPixelBytes_Flag. (RGB16 == RRRRRGGG GGGBBBBB in memory, and for pixel (WORD) access on little endian machine it needs to be accessed as GGGBBBBBRRRRRGGGG). The shifts btw indicate how much to shift the component to the left (!) so that it is moved to the highest bit (31). The aHidd_PixFmt_StdPixFmt you specify will be ignored most of the time, because when the pixelfmt is registered, the gfx hidd checks if there's an identical pixfmt (shifts/masks/etc., but ignoring pixfmt->stdpixfmt) already in the system, and if so, it uses the already existing one and does not create a new one. In theory it would be better if gfx drivers could simply/only specify a StdPixFmt without all the shifts/masks stuff when the gfx driver uses pixfmt which matches one of the stdpixfmts exactly. Another possibility would be for gfx drivers to use HIDD_Gfx_GetPIxFmt(stdpixfmt_gfx_driver_wants_to_use) and then peek shifts/masks from it and fill out a pixfmt tag list based on that. 15bit very blue/green: Try to pass same shifts/masks/etc. as in 16 bit pixfmt (maybe you think it's using 15 bit R5G5B5 (or swapped) but it's actually still using 16 bit R5G6B5 (or swapped). aHidd_PixFmt_StdPixFmt you pass is mostly ignored. It's the shift/masks/etc. that count. But I would still pass the correct one (_LE) == whatever rom/hidds/graphics/stdpixfmts_??.h uses in the entry where you have looked up shifts/masks/etc. Use the shifts/masks/etc. from the entry in stdpixfmt_le.h (if you are running on little endian machine) or stdpixfmt_be.h (if you are running on little endian machine) that matches the pixfmt that its meant to be. 0xAA,0xRR,0xGG,0xBB on little endian (->entry in stdpixfmt_le.h which says vHidd_StdPixFmt_ARGB32) 0xBB,0xGG,0xRR,0xAA on little endian (->entry in stdpixfmt_le.h which says vHidd_StdPixFmt_BGRA32) 0xAA,0xRR,0xGG,0xBB on big endian (->entry in stdpixfmt_be.h which says vHidd_StdPixFmt_ARGB32) 0xBB,0xGG,0xRR,0xAA on big endian (->entry in stdpixfmt_be.h which says vHidd_StdPixFmt_BGRA32) it feels like AROS trashes the alpha component, otherwise it should be 8A8R8G8B. read on the subject suggest its in 1x5r5g5b (x is ignored) to keep 16bit alignment . Suggests to me that wrong shift/mask are being applied - however going by the 16bit versions it all looks correct to me so I am really confused as to what is happening. The output image looks to have too much green/blue, and very weak red. Kickstart The idea is to minimize amount of archirecture-specific modules to make the user's life easier. So, the kickstart was split into 'base' (which does not contain anything machine-specific) and 'BSP' (Board Support Package) which contains all hardware-specific stuff. This way, for example, distribution makers can save up space on CD and make CDs with multiple platform support. Different configuration would load the same base with different BSP's. Next there was some part which is entirely missing on hosted. These are filesystems. Hosted ports do not need them to boot up, so on hosted they are left out. At the other hand, they are also architecture-agnostic. So i put them into 'FS' package (standing for 'filesystem'). USB Poseidon is one more big part. I made it into separate package in order to allow users to omit it if they don't need it (for example, to run on retro PCs without USB). Personally i have one. Again, Poseidon is hardware-agnostic (well, there are USB drivers but HCIs are pretty standard). AFAIK its HCI 1.0 compliant but not familiar enough with poseidons drivers, nor USB, to just hack away at the existing code. Perhaps once i'm more familiar with the workings I can merge in the changes needed to get it operating but for now I will focus on getting it running. Also our drivers have known issues so perhaps a fresh set of eyes might shed some light on what is going wrong. Another interesting question is whether Poseidon can operate on device side. Is it flexible enough? How similar is being a USB host and USB device? think it will need a bit of work on Poseidon's side. Until then I will force the driver into Host/Master mode in the init code, but leave open device etc to configure the chipset for either's use - and look at trying to add support for working in Device/Slave mode & switching modes once it's up and running. Actually USBROMStartup is some kind of kludge. Can there be any alternative? Could device drivers be self-installing, like our HIDDs? This would get rid of need to list them in USBRomStartup. * Model A and B limited to 150 mA per port. * Model B+ and Pi 2 introduced configurable 600 mA to 1.2 A support over all ports - anything above that requires a powered USB hub. Implementing the hardware driver that Poseidon uses to interact with the USB components. Have code in place to (try) and initialise the USB chipset, and configure host/device mode operation (though AFAICT Poseidon doesn't support device mode). Started to get the "virtual" root hub written for the single USB port so that Poseidon should at least list it correctly in the GUI - and try to interact with it to find peripherals. The BCM2835 uses a soft IP block from Synopsys’ DesignWare library (DWC), specifically the block is called dwc_usb_2_0_hs_otg_subsystem-ahb_se (“USB 2.0 Hi-Speed OTG Controller Subsystem w/AHB Interface SE”). There is no public documentation for this, and pretty much zero chance of anyone getting hold of it even with NDA. However, there's a Linux driver written by Synopsys ([https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux dwc_usb]). Specifically directories [https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/tree/rpi-patches/drivers/usb/host dwc_common_port] and [https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/tree/rpi-patches/drivers/usb/host dwc_otg]. The Synopsys code is actually under a fairly permissive licence – it's not GPL, it's similar to BSD (’don't sue us if it breaks’ is pretty much the only clause). So this should not be a barrier to porting the code. The code is really well written, with a nice partition between the work done by the driver (dwc_otg, which is fairly involved, given the host does more work than a conventional EHCI driver), and the interface to Linux (dwc_common_port). Probably only need provision of relevant changes to dwc_common_port. Other things to consider.... * Provision of necessary headers to get it to compile * Provision of necessary functions (main issues are wait queues, threads, work queues, tasklets, timers, spinlocks and mutexes (multithreading) ) * Interfacing between USB stack and the driver. dwc_otg/dwc_otg_hcd_linux.c looks like the place to start. the Linux bits of the headers are only required for the dwc_common_port library. dwc_common_port includes a variety of crypto functions which are not used – it appears to also be used for ultrawideband (UWB) and wireless USB (WUSB) drivers where crypto will be an issue, but it isn't going to be for plain wired USB. Every USB driver acts as an USB hub as well in order to let Poseidon control the state of USB ports. The code there was reading status of the only USB port in Raspberry's CPU but when changing the status it erroneously deleted some of the status bits, including the port enable one. It was so because those bits in the status register are of a type Read/WriteToClear. It means, if one does not want to change their value from 1 back to 0, one has to actually write the 0 value. Very practical thing e.g. in interrupt handlers, where one reads the interrupt status register to learn what was the interrupt reason, and writes it back to the same register in order to clear the interrupts. After fixing that code it turned out that the communication was still unsuccessful. Apparently the USB device was not understanding the host for some reason. That should not happen since the request sent was one of the standard ones implemented by virtually anything with an USB connector, assumed that Poseidon clears the data caches before forwarding the work to the USB drivers but that's the responsibility of the driver itself. The USB device responded and acknowledged the transmission! But why were all the request sent after address change failing with timeout? They should not. Once again, address set is supported just by anything. Tried to contact the device at address 0 once again and there it was, still responding properly. The enlightenment came. The bus address for DMA transmissions was, as it is in many bare metal USB implementations, just the pure memory address of the buffer as seen by the ARM cpu. Have "prefixed" it with the real location of uncached RAM and booted AROS once again. Trident saw this: Product : Hub: Vdr=0424/PID=9514 Manufacturer: Standard Microsystems Corp. SerialNumber: n/a /Users/michal/git/AROS/rom/USB/poseidon/./poseidon.library.c:psd_20_psdEnumerateDevice/3092: USBVersion: 0200 Class : 9 SubClass : 0 DevProto : 2 VendorID : 1060 ProductID : 38164 DevVers : 0200 and this: Product : Vendor: Vdr=0424/PID=EC00 Manufacturer: Standard Microsystems Corp. SerialNumber: n/a /Users/michal/git/AROS/rom/USB/poseidon/./poseidon.library.c:psd_20_psdEnumerateDevice/3092: USBVersion: 0200 Class : 255 SubClass : 0 DevProto : 1 VendorID : 1060 ProductID : 60416 DevVers : 0200 and even this: Product : Hub: Vdr=0424/PID=9514 Manufacturer: Standard Microsystems Corp. SerialNumber: n/a /Users/michal/git/AROS/rom/USB/poseidon/./poseidon.library.c:psd_20_psdEnumerateDevice/3092: USBVersion: 0200 Class : 9 SubClass : 0 DevProto : 2 VendorID : 1060 ProductID : 38164 DevVers : 0200 What are these things? The first one is USB hub built in the Raspberry. Thanks to this one the Pi machines (with exception of Pi0 and computing modules) have more than just one single USB port. The second one is the network chip in raspberry, the third one is my USB SD card reader which have just connected to see what happens. AROS tried, of course, to boot from it ;) So, the first step towards working USB is done. The control transfers are working as you can see above. Next step is to implement bulk and interrupt transfers, having the basics in place. Finally some error handling will be added and USB for Pi will be as complete as the PC version. [http://www.raspyfi.com/raspberry-pi-usb-audio-fix/ Issue with USB Audio] Audio The Pi 4B is the only Pi that can output HD Audio as an HD Audio passthrough bitstream, and it does it over HDMI. It's possible to use the two HDMI output for separate HDMI video and HDMI audio outputs to allow UHD HDR video and HD Audio with non-UHD HDR compatible AVRs. The Pi3B+ and earlier will decode to PCM 5.1/7.1 and output over HDMI. HDMI is the only interconnect that has a standard for carrying Dolby True HD, DTS HD MA etc. as a bitstream - you can't carry it as a bitstream on any other interface. Pi3 and Pi4 audio jack output derived from 12bit pulse width modulation is relatively poor. For better, choose USB Audio or I2C versions. [https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/tree/rpi-patches/sound/arm audio] and its [https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/issues/2 very high speed message passing interface type of thing VCHI] The Model B+ added an additional voltage regulator for the audio output and an additional output driver to drive low-resistance loads like headphones. However it is still using pulse-width modulation (PWM), which has a major impact on sound quality the old Raspberry Pi used a linear voltage regulator to provide the 3.3V to many of the components on the board while the new one uses a switching regulator. Both can perform reasonably well. However switch mode power supplies often show higher noise figures Analogue audio Audio over HDMI rev 1.3 & 1.4 Ethernet 10/100 BaseT Ethernet RJ45 socket GPIO GPIO shouldn't be too bad but bear in mind it is already accessed in places so they would need to allocate pins etc through it (e.g. sdcard to flicker the activity light, serial debug to output data on the GPIO pins) Probably a resource rather than a device... Started an i2c driver that will need to allocate GPIO pins. Feel free to work on it if you are interested ;p GPU graphics with 2D and 3D acceleration Sadly none yet for 32bit but for 64bit... Miscellanous hdmi issues Setting the hdmi_force_hotplug=1 makes sure the Pi believes the monitor/TV is really there. You might also need to set config_hdmi_boost=4 or even higher (up to 9) if your display needs a stronger signal. If the display is a computer monitor or newer tv, use hdmi_group=1 (auto HDMI use) and if it is an older TV, try hdmi_group=2 (for DMT formats, i.e. for PC monitors) then you HAVE to "set hdmi_drive = 2 to enable HDMI output as this forces HDMI mode rather than DVI mode Do not set hdmi_safe=1 as that overrides many of the previous options. Using a shorter or better quality HDMI cable might help. Make sure your Pi's power supply delivers 1 A and not 500 mA. If you see a problem with the red colour - either absent, or interference - then try a boost composite video changing the RCA cable, then the composite port worked out of the box Boot it as you are doing, without HDMI. If you now plug in the HDMI, do you get the image? In other words, does the Pi think HDMI is connected even when it isn't? Rename all the files in the first partion of the card except bootcode.bin, start.elf and fixup.dat What's the result? Put back config.txt What's the result? for PAL mode sdtv_mode=2 dmi_ignore_hotplug Pretends HDMI hotplug signal is not asserted so it appears a HDMI display is not attached hdmi_ignore_hotplug=1 Use composite mode even if HDMI monitor is detected <pre> # NOOBS Auto-generated Settings: #hdmi_force_hotplug=1 #config_hdmi_boost=4 #overscan_left=24 #overscan_right=24 #overscan_top=16 #overscan_bottom=16 #disable_overscan=0 start_x=1 gpu_mem=128 </pre> tvservice -c "PAL 4:3" <pre> /opt/vc/bin/tvservice -s or tvservice -s state: HPD high|HDMI mode|HDCP off|composite off (0x12001a), 1920x1080 @ 60 Hz, progressive /opt/vc/bin/tvservice -m CEA Group CEA has 1 modes: (native) mode 16: 1920x1080 @ 60 Hz, progressive /opt/vc/bin/tvservice -m DMT Group DMT has 0 modes: </pre> sudo amixer cset numid=3 1 forces the audio to the headphone jack, even with the HDMI video output plugged in config.txt the hdmi_ignore_edid_audio=1 option sems relevant as it should tell ALSA that the only available audio is analog, no matter what the display says There are several different ways that these 4 pole (ring) composite analog cables can be wired up, so some work great in some applications and can be a waste of time in others. What is needed for the Raspberry Pi B+ and above, which like many camcorders needs the ring contact next to the base contact to be the ground. The wiring for the 4 pole are: TIP (LEFT AUDIO CHANNEL) RING 1 (RIGHT AUDIO CHANNEL) RING 2 (GROUND/EARTH) RING 3 BASE/SLEEVE (VIDEO) YELLOW Most Apple based Players and the Microsoft Zune (TM) are wired this way. Most analogue camcorders are wired this way as well, where the ground in on Ring 2 will work with the Pi although you may need to swap your Video plug with the Right Audio plug. Nearly all other MP3 players are not wired this way, the ground is on another ring ie the wrong one. External devices * Camera Module Omnivision ov5647 Sunny 5MP (NoIR version) V1.3 - NoIR at 850&nbsp;nm, peak at 880&nbsp;nm and trails off at 940&nbsp;nm wavelengths * Camera V2 Sony IMX219 V2.1 8mpixel 8MP 8megapixel - 3280 x 2464 pixels - video at 1080p30, 720p60 and 640x480p90 - wider field of view, 62 vs 54 degrees horizontally - * Branded WIFI usb BCM43143 dongle N.B. dreaded error after changing cameras (stupidly without turning off the power first) and lasted through several power cycles. It can be a bad 15-pin FFC ribbon cable, when swapped, camera(s) and the Pi itself are working OK. It can be an instance of a cold solder joint on the CSI connector on the pi board. the camera can be detected (that's done via I2C) but may still not be able to receive image data (done via CSI-2) if something is broken. CSI-2 is uni-directional. Control is generally done via I2C. The CSI-2 receiver always writes to memory, not direct to the ISP. That's the way the Broadcom architecture works as it allows multipass processing easily. GPU memory is accessible from the ARM. Processing using the QPU graphics processors may be possible. currently the only supported sensor is OV5647 and IMX219. The linux drivers are all in the firmware blob, else you'd be looking at at least a man-month of work in a fully fledged imaging lab to do a decent tuning of the camera modules' ISP parameters. Static electricity maybe an issue for the camera module and slightly less for the pi board. == References == ===Good sites to visit=== *[https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/master/ Raspberry Pi Firmware build] *[https://www.raspberrypi.com/documentation/computers/software-sources.html Documentation] *[https://rpilocator.com/ RPiLocator] Linux only *[https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux Raspberry Pi Linux Build] *[https://dietpi.com/ DietPi] *[http://www.tinycorelinux.net/ports.html piCore] *[https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi Alpine Linux] *[https://github.com/armbian/build Armbian] *[ FydeOS] *[ TwisterOS based on ChromiumOS] *[https://note.com/jamesmondo/n/nc76e31402be8?hl=en BSD] *[https://www.raspberrypi.com/software/operating-systems/ PiOS Lite] and then [https://hstwb.firstrealize.com/ HST] *[ PiMiga for pi4 and pi5] *[ amibian for pi2 and pi3] *[ retropie pi1 and 2] Other alternative lighter smaller than Pi OS *[https://aros.sourceforge.io/nightly1.html Aros 64bit ARMV8 single core] *[https://www.riscosopen.org/wiki/documentation/show/Welcome%20to%20RISC%20OS%20Pi RiscOS on Pi3 and Pi4] *[https://github.com/michalsc/Emu68 ARM based realtime JIT 68k for amiga computers] *[https://github.com/JJDSNT/bellatrix/releases/ Alternative use of Emu68 on Pi3b] *[https://github.com/stevereaver/uaos uaOS with Emu68k] *[https://github.com/aros-development-team/AROS/commit/f80a268607dfae81b2db94755ab4e4d31ccb72d6 m68kemu library reference] *[ HaikuOS] *[https://github.com/raspberrypi/noobs NOOBS] os loader with successor [https://github.com/procount/pinn PINN] *[https://github.com/maxnet/berryboot berryboot] *[https://github.com/brianwiddas/pi-baremetal Bare Metal Access on Pi 32bit] Testing procedure is put sd card in, connect board to board if necessary, plug in hdmi and then power nothing else is done especially CSI DSI etc [https://www.raspberrypi.com/documentation/computers/compute-module.html CM5] has the same 55mm x 40mm 2x100pin connectors form factor as the CM4 but [https://www.epdtonthenet.net/article/214508/Key-Considerations-When-Migrating-from-Raspberry-Pi-CM4-to-CM5.aspx some pins and other small things] have changed. Will need the [https://raspipcb.com/tech-blog/raspberry-pi-cm4-vs-cm5-difference-in-booting-from-sd-card/ right IO board to suit] *Green [ Raspberry Pi Compute Module 5 IO Board REV2 [https://pip.raspberrypi.com/categories/1097-raspberry-pi-compute-module-5-io-board SC1967]] - untested *Green [ RPi Compute Module 5 IO board REV1 [https://pip.raspberrypi.com/categories/1097-raspberry-pi-compute-module-5-io-board SC1751]] - untested *Black SupTronics Geekbord X1500 CM5 IO Carrier Board - untested *Black DeskPi Super6C Cluster Mini-ITX Board - untested *[https://sipeed.com/nanocluster Sipeed NanoCluster] - untested up to 7 CM5 *Green BentoIO CMX0 - untested *Box EDATec ED-CLAWBOX - untested *Home Assistant Yellow - Kit with PoE with Raspberry Pi Compute Module 5 - untested *Blue [https://www.waveshare.com/wiki/CM5_PoE_BASE_A Waveshare CM5-PoE-BASE-A] - untested *Box Waveshare [ CM5-POE-BOX-A] - untested *Blue [https://www.waveshare.com/wiki/CM5-IO-BASE-B Waveshare CM5-IO-BASE-B] - untested *Blue [https://www.waveshare.com/wiki/CM5-IO-BASE-A Waveshare CM5-IO-BASE-A] - untested *Blue Waveshare [https://www.waveshare.com/wiki/CM5-NANO-B CM5-NANO-B] - untested *[https://carboncomputers.us/products/pi-flux piFlux] *[https://carboncomputers.us/products/ Zitaotech Hackberry] CM5 lite only - *Portable [https://www.waveshare.com/pocketterm35.htm Waveshare PocketTerm35] with Pi4B or Pi5 - untested *Box [https://www.clockworkpi.com/uconsole ClockworkPi uConsole][https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtI_bAahbR8 CM4 into an adapter or CM3 into so-dimm - Cyberdeck] - untested *Green RPi [https://datasheets.raspberrypi.com/cm4io/CM4IO-KiCAD.zip Compute Module 4] [https://datasheets.raspberrypi.com/cm4io/cm4io-datasheet.pdf IO board] V1.4 [https://datasheets.raspberrypi.com/cm4io/CM4IOUSB3-KiCAD.zip USB3] [https://datasheets.raspberrypi.com/cm4io/cm4iousb3-appnote.pdf CM4ISO] [https://datasheets.raspberrypi.com/cm4/cm4-datasheet.pdf Dual100pin] (2020) aka Development Platform Board - untested *Purple Pi Hut Cytron CM4 Maker Board - untested *Black DeskPi Super6C Cluster Mini-ITX Board - untested *[ KubeSail PiBox mini 2] *Home Assistant Yellow with Raspberry Pi Compute Module 4 - untested *[ Turing Pi V2] - untested CM4 with 260-pin SO-DIMM socket adapters and/or nvidia jetson nanos - untested *Blue [https://www.waveshare.com/wiki/CM4-IO-BASE-C Waveshare CM4-IO-BASE-C] - untested but binary blobs Rev01 Rev02 *Blue [https://www.waveshare.com/wiki/CM4-IO-BASE-B Waveshare CM4-IO-BASE-B] - untested but binary blobs *Blue [https://www.waveshare.com/wiki/CM4-IO-BASE-A Waveshare CM4-IO-BASE-A] - untested but binary blobs *Blue [https://www.waveshare.com/wiki/CM4-NANO-B Waveshare CM4-NANO] - untested but usb and audio turned off or rerouted CM3 has a 200 pin sodimm ddr2 connector form factor but not electrically SC0028, SC0029 *Blue [https://wiki.geekworm.com/CM_IO_Board Geekworm RPi Compute Module IO Board] [https://github.com/geekworm-com/cm-io-board CSI DSI] with CM3 in ddr2 slot underside - '''works''' if SW1 on but CM3+ '''does not''' *Green [https://cdn-shop.adafruit.com/product-files/3442/CMIO_schematic.pdf RPi V3 IO board CM3IO] and CM3 Lite - untested *Green [https://turingpi.com/ turingpi v1 cluster] - untested up to 7 cm3 7xlan9514 12V discontinued, 3 x Pi4 homelab maybe better *Blue [https://www.waveshare.com/wiki/Compute_Module_PoE_Board Waveshare Compute Module PoE Board] and CM3 lite (if not lite, write files to internal eMMC fat32) '''AVOID''' bin blobs *Blue [https://www.waveshare.com/compute-module-io-board-plus.htm Waveshare Compute Module IO Board Plus] [https://www.waveshare.com/wiki/Compute_Module_IO_Board_Plus wiki] [https://forums.raspberrypi.com/viewtopic.php?t=235695 pin settings] with CM3+ Lite - '''AVOID''' binary blob *[ Pi02w on Geekworm SupTronics X305 Raspberry Pi Zero IO Baseboard] - untested *[ Spotpear Pi Zero 2w to Pi3b format-ish] - untested *[ pi-top v4] box has 128x64 oled display, micro hdmi, 19Whr battery with pi4 and 15V PD 36W min needed *[ pi-top v3] three green pieces, heatsink covers most of the base tray, pi-top hub mk1 lhs and Pi1B Pi2b Pi3b rhs secured from below, black rounded strip with pi-top above keyboard, 13.3" HD 1366 x 768 display, small touchpad, *[ pi-top Model 2.0] pi-top on bottom bezel of 14-inch green laptop, large trackpad, keyboard slide down to reveal main system hub on slide rails moved to the right, Raspberry Pi3b screws down, hub slides in, 18V 2.5A 45W charger brick, battery 11.1V 3500mAh 38.85Wh and storage PiTopOS *[ Pi-Top CEED Raspberry Pi Modular Educational Desktop with RPI3] monitor *[https://www.indiegogo.com/en/projects/jesselozano/pi-top-a-raspberry-pi-laptop-you-build-yourself Pi-Top v1] wedge laptop with RPi2 <pre> 2008 Trustees collected for Foundation 2009 Pi Foundation charity status gained 2010 2011 First Raspberry prototypes 2012 First boards go on sale at CPC and RS. The Model A and B 700 MHz Arm11 - February 29th BCM 2835 2012 First million sold - more than the 10,000 original planned and anticipated 2013 First Alpha Experimental builds of AROS Native for the 32bit Pi 2013 Pi Trading launched making grants available, providing in house educational resources and Pi Academy for teacher training 2013 Over two million sold 2014 Over three million sold 2014 Pi 1 Model B+ introduced that moved composite video to audio jack and same half gig of memory 2014 Pi Model A+ v1.1 no ethernet and 1 usb - a little smaller - 2015 Over four million first gen pis sold 2015 Pi Zero 1.2 BCM2835 first production revision released with no camera port 2016 Pi0 1.3 released with camera csi connector 2017 Pi Zero W v1.1 1GHz Pi0W, single-core 32bit CPU BCM2835 released with Cypress CYW43438 wireless 2020 Raspberry Pi Pico SC0919 with RP2040 32-bit 2Core ARM Cortex-M0+ up to 133 MHz - 264KB of SRAM and 2MB of on-board QSPI Flash - 2024 Raspberry Pi Pico 2 with RP2350 2Core 32bit Arm Cortex-M33 and 2core open-hardware [https://github.com/wren6991/hazard3 Hazard3 RISC-V] 2015 Pi 2 Model B v1.1 BCM2836 900/600 MHz ARM Cortex-A7 Armv7 quad 32bit, 32bit VideoCore IV GPU - 1Gb RAM - 5V 2A micro usb - SMSC LAN9514 chip - 2015 Over a million pi2s sold 2015 Raspberry Pi 2 Model B version 1.2 Pi2bv1.2, aka Pi2B2 has armv8 BCM2837 underclocked to 900Mhz without wifi/bluetooth module 2016 Pi 3 Model B - Broadcom BCM2837 SOC four 64bit ARMv8 Cortex-A53 1.2GHz 32bit 1080p VideoCore IV GPU - 1Gb DDR2 - bluetooth 4.1, Cypress CYW43438 wireless 802.11n - 4 x USB2.0 ports - 5.1V 2.5A - SMSC LAN9514 chip 2016 PIs total over 10 million worldwide 2017 Compute Module 3 CM3 with BCM2837B0 armv8 Quad 64-bit - small 67.6mm x 31mm board which fits DDR2 SODIMM connector but not electrically compatible which plugs into needed IO board - beware of the I2C protocol issue 1Gb LPDDR2 RAM - Lite or 4Gb Emmc storage 2017 12 million pis sold in total 2018 Pi 3 Model B+ - 4c A53 BCM2837B0 1.4Ghz - 1Gb, wireless 802.11ac, gigabit ethernet (300Mbit/s) and bluetooth 4.2 - power over ethernet - 4 x USB2.0 ports - Microchip LAN7515 chip 2019 Over 15 million sold 2019 Pi 3 Model A+ with BCM2837b0 Cortex-A53 64-bit SoC @ 1.4 GHz with 512Mb LPDDR2, 1 usb2, 1 hdmi, 1 micro usb 5V 2A - no ethernet - 2019 Raspberry Pi Compute Module 3+ CM3+ - Broadcom BCM2837B0 1.2Ghz, Cortex-A53 (ARMv8) 64-bit SoC on DDR2 SODIMM mechanically compatible only factor - IO board required 1Gb DDR2 and 8GB, 16GB, 32GB or a Lite variant without eMMC 2021 Pi zero 2 (w or no W) RP3A0 quad 1GHz Cortex-A53 64bit BCM2710A1 512mB SDRam 2025 edaTEC CM0 ED-CM0NANA with additional dev board with quad 1Ghz A53 with 512Mb Raysan RAM, 2 USB2 and 10/100 ethernet - pico castellated edge 2019 Pi 4 Model B RPI4B - BCM2711B0T quad 64bit A72 1.5GHz, 4K VideoCore VI, AC wifi, Bluetooth 5.0, GbE Broadcom BCM54213PE (PHY ID 0x600d84a2), 2 micro hdmi decode up to 4K, USB-C 5.1V 3A power, 2xVLI VL805 USB 3, 2xUSB 2.0, 2GB 9LDWW D9WHZ or 4GB 9FDWW D9WHV, 8GB 0AA47 D9ZCL ddr4 ram 2020 Silent Pi 4 v1.2 upgrade with more USB-c psu support 2020 PI400 BCM2711C0T 1.8GHz 4Gb DDR4 inside keyboard, 5.1V 5A 27W usb-c psu, 2 micro hdmi, external ide style 40pin gpio, no audio port - 2020 Raspberry Pi Compute Module 4 BCM2711B0T on new 55mm x 40mm 2x100 pin form factor with extra breakout IO board CM4101000 1Gb RAM Lite SOM CM4102000 2GB RAM Lite CM4104000 4GB RAM Lite CM4004008-4GB-RAM 8GB-EMMC SOM System on Modules CM4104032 4GB RAM 32GB emmc CM4108000 8GB RAM Lite CM4008016 8GB RAM 16Gb eMMc 2021 Raspberry Pi SC0763 Compute Module 4S CM4S with ddr2 sodimm pinouts but not electrically the same with suitable IO board extra cost - CM4S01000 1GB RAM Lite CM4S01008 1GB RAM 8GB eMMC Flash CM4S02000 2GB RAM Lite CM4S04000 4GB RAM Lite CM4S08000 8GB RAM Lite 2021 Pi 4 v1.4 BCM2711B1 upgraded power regulator, to deal with 8gig of ram being more power hungry - 2021-48 Raspberry Pi 4 model B v1.5 2GB 2023 Pi 5 v1.0 BCM2712 Quad A76 @2.4Ghz - VideoCore VII - no audio socket - dual 4k from mini hdmi - fan connector - 5.1V 5A psu 2024 Pi 5 2GB DDR4 version uses BCM2712D0 2024 Pi-500 with 8Gb LPDDR5 and membrane keyboard 2024 Pi 5 v1.1 2024 Raspberry Pi Compute Module 5 CM5 BCM2712 55mm x 40mm form factor with additional IO board CM5004000 04GB RAM 0GB eMMC Lite CM5008000 08GB RAM 0GB eMMC Lite CM5016000 16GB RAM 0GB eMMC Lite 2025 Pi-500+ with 256GB NVMe storage, 16GB LPDDR4 RAM, and Gateron KS-33 Low Profile Blue mechanical keyboard switches 2025 Pi5 1GB DDR4 announced 2022 PiOS linux goes 64bit 2024 Pi Trading IPO stockmarket stock exchange listing 2026 April and May Aros 64bit fixed, added AHI audio, VC4 gfx started, usb functions added to rom 2026 June and July Aros 64bit usb2otg started, dma.resource, sdio.resource, bwfm.device wifi added 2026 Late July daily 64bit Pi3 LE little endian builds start 2026 August Pi 4, 400, 5 and 500 DTBs added, expanding existing support and wifi for Pi4 and Pi5 2026 August Pi5 HAT+ nvme and HDMI, AHI RPiI2S added, Pi4 HVS5 video scaler started, 2026 2027 2028 Pi 6 </pre> ==Future== [https://github.com/ARMSX2/ARMSX2 Arm pi of pcsx2] {{BookCat}} avxsx5cultwb6dbzoq3b7yngak5r6ao 4671628 4671602 2026-09-21T16:38:50Z Jeff1138 301139 4671628 wikitext text/x-wiki {{ArosNav}} [[#Native]] [[#Hosted]] [[#Build]] [[#Hardware]] [[#References]] [[#Future]] ==Introduction== [[File:Scalos00.png|thumb|Scalos on Aros Pi3b]] Aros aims to cover Pi 3 to 5 1Gb+ RAM ideally as you may have to switch to 256Mb gfx mode depending on the application running Options to boot from using a good power source to prevent the yellow lightning symbol. *With Pi3b+ the max you can get is 5.1V 2.5A with micro usb. *With Pi4 5.1V 3A with usb-c *With Pi5 5.1V 5A, the amps went ever upwards, even to 5.1V 9A with usb-c Pi500+ keyboard wedge - Pi400 RPI-400 keyboard wedge - resolution changing and audio from micro hdmi0 (near 40pin) and micro hdmi1 (near usb-c psu) - Fn F10 0x5e power on and off works or held down for over 7 seconds auto shutdown - keyboard ok - wifi and lan ethernet testing - * Pi 5 - Quad A76 64bit ARMv8 and RP1 "southbridge" with VideoCore 7 Pre-D0 (Rev1.0) or D0 (rev1.1) * Pi 4 - Quad A72 64bit ARMv8 with VideoCore 6 * Pi 3 - Quad A53 [https://www.raspberrypi.com/documentation/computers/processors.html 64 bit] ARMv8 with VideoCore 4 with heatsink/fan on 3b to prevent cpu 82C+ throttling * Pi 2 - Quad 32bit ARMv6 with VideoCore 4 - mostly not 64bit compatible * Pi Model B+ 32bit ARMv6 with VideoCore 4 - not 64bit compatible * Pi Model A and B 32bit ARMv6 with VideoCore 4 - not 64bit compatible ===Native=== * 2013-03 Kalamatee starts work * 2015-04 Work continues with mschulz on the kernel and Kalamatee (NicJA) on gpio and usb * 2018 [https://www.patreon.com/posts/i-owe-you-some-20956961 mschulz resume adding BE big endian support], [https://www.patreon.com/michal_schulz/posts Big endian on Pi] * 2026 [https://github.com/aros-development-team/AROS/commits?author=bsek latest commits for pi 3b, 4 and 5 64bit] * 2026 [https://github.com/aros-development-team/AROS/commits?author=metaneutrons latest commits for Pi5] * 2026 [https://github.com/aros-development-team/AROS/commits?author=bitplane latest commits for ARM] '''Download''' [https://aros.sourceforge.io/nightly1.html RaspberryPi 3, 3+, 4 and 5 64bit ArmV8 builds] [https://sourceforge.net/projects/aros/files/ Alternative site and nightly2] both raspi-aarch64-system and raspi-aarch64-contrib can be unbz2'd and copied to fat32 8GB+ microSD card (there will be folders - boot c Classes Demos Developer Devs Extras etc only showing). The SD can be plugged in to the Pi 64bit build works well on a single core LE little endian. Multicore [https://github.com/aros-development-team/AROS/commit/1df0747c2bda3523a43029725a709b1f377d84ec may follow]. Any issues booting could be down to the SD card so please use another SD to see if it is resolved. Please report your experiences in the [https://www.arosworld.org/infusions/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=2019&rowstart=80 Aros Raspberry pi 3 64bit thread] and on the [https://forums.raspberrypi.com/viewtopic.php?p=2387984#p2387984 Raspberry Pi forum thread]. Any bugs or issues can be [https://github.com/aros-development-team/AROS/issues described here to fix] Boots with '''USB3''' port based sata3 ssd on Pi400 but untested on Pi4 (may need eeprom update from PiOS or Pi SD Imager) and Pi5 Pi 3 B+ is pre-configured for USB sata3 boot - untested Pi 3 B may need [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubnwvxF3Klc PiOS to set OTP to boot from usb - do so at your own risk] - if OTP set to usb, boot works but slower than SD card Speed write wise (top faster) <pre> *NVME Pi5 untested >1000MB/sec or faster if matched correctly *Sata3 ssd 500MB/sec *SD V90 90MB/sec 4K maybe 8K *SD V60 60MB/sec 1080p *SD U3 V30 30MB/sec 720p *SD C10 U1 V10 A1 A2 10MB/sec minimum should be used now *SD C06 6MB/sec *SD C04 4MB/sec </pre> As a homage to the past, Aros shows a reduced number of icons but this can be changed by left mouse click in the window and then right click down to Window -> View -> All files Windows can be manipulated by the top (moving) and the bottom right corner (resizing) only. Zune like MUI gui interface, has a unique quirk in that after changing a setting in a text box, you may sometimes need to press Enter/Return before clicking OK, Save, etc Like most amiga like OSs the audio and networking need to be setup manually Audio AHI prefs - Mode settings tab - needs both Music unit and Unit 0 set to RPiHDMI:16 bit stereo++ or RPiPWM:16 bit stereo++ at 44100Hz. Press '''Save or Use''' button after each choice Double left mouse click on most picture (Developer/Debug/Tests/Datatypes), audio and video files are supported, via datatypes, by the multiview application. Esc escape key usually closes open windows even the desktop In Prefs/Appearance some decorative theming elements need work. There is a few Mason icons in /Prefs/Presets/Icons/Mason/ and the ever present default Gorilla - Icon exchange in works For more intensive graphics applications, you may need to edit config.txt in the root folder and change 128M to 256M to adjust more memory to graphics usage If your cursor should '''appear''' to vanish, fear not it is still there. Please head to the top of the screen, hold down the left click mouse and drag the screen down a little and it will appear again. [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=network/browser amelinium web browser] is available with an [https://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=122494&page=51 eab thread] reminiscent of [https://github.com/zapek/Voyager Voyager] and to a lesser extent [https://github.com/amigazen/aweb3/ Aweb] as javascript websites can be slow to load and nothing from youtube, facebook, reddit etc. Press Cancel at screenmode selector or -wb argument to get windowed version. You may have to delete the cache (in same folder) to fully retest newer versions. You could use the Shift + Del shortcut or mouse wheel should work to delete all text at once. To view wikibooks set Agent to Android (telefon) or iPhone setting in menus. [https://Html5test.com Html5test] gives 189 out of 555. For wireless, please use the Wifi prefs and already selected device bwfm.device. Press Scan and double right click on the router and enter password. You may need to setup after every reboot. Another thing to try, press cancel and go to Network Prefs, Wireless Networks tab and highlight the router line and hit the remove button and press the cancel button. Retry with Wifi prefs again. For lan ethernet port, please use Network prefs and the following hardware is *lan9514 Pi3b Pi2 no support at the moment *lan7515 Pi3b+ type into Device usblan78xx.device as net0: remove other device(s) *bcmgenet Pi4 Pi400 choose for Device bcmgenet.device (network prefs still forgets random information when rebooted) Summary *3b ethernet not supported, usb ethernet not working but wifi prefs setup works *3b+ wifi working but ethernet untested *4 untested *400 wifi and ethernet untested There is normally no Bluetooth support for most amiga like OSs but Aros has one [https://github.com/aros-development-team/AROS/commit/6942cbfbf66426d21963a7fcd8aba6aff611a9e0 work in progress] [https://forums.raspberrypi.com/viewtopic.php?t=338466 firmware] *Bluetooth 4.1 BCM43430A1.hcd Pi3B, Pi3A, Zero 2W *Bluetooth 4.2 BCM4345C0.hcd Pi3B+, Pi4 *Bluetooth 5.0 BCM4345C5.hcd Pi4B rev, CM4 and maybe Pi5 and CM5 *bthid keyboard mouse support *btserial serial *btpan short range wireless connecting devices Only the Pi5 has a RTC real time clock, the other Pis will need to use Extras:Networking/utils/ntpsync/ or [https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=network PiNTP -s goodtime.ijs.si or ntp1.ptb.de] to get the date and time from the internet. It helps to have all usb devices already plugged in before power on to detect at the moment. Even then some usb devices will freeze the mouse cursor and the only resolution is to remove the offending usb device and reinsert. Sometimes, the reinsert leads to the mouse cursor vanishing, it is still there and responds to left mouse clicks, top of the screen and pull down the screen. USB classes support from Prefs/Trident is still work in process *usbaudio working on usb3 port (blue) on pi4, 400 but not working (no rt isochronous) on usb2otg (white or black) for pi3b, zero 2w *[https://aminet.net/package/mus/midi/camd camdusbmidi] detects midi devices without a preferences file (Prefs/Env-Archive/sys/midi.prefs) as [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBxHkwy4Nrw auto setup now] possibly with [https://github.com/metaneutrons/mt32-pi metaneutrons mt32-pi] [https://github.com/rtzor/mt32-pi mt32-pi fork] [https://github.com/ahmadexp/mt32-pi fork] [https://github.com/gmcn42/mt32-pi-control control of] [https://github.com/dwhinham/mt32-pi mt32-pi pi3+], [https://homspace.nl/samplerbox/ SamplerBox] or [] as well as need developer gcc tools to look at 64bit ports of [https://archives.arosworld.org/?function=showfile&file=driver/audio/usbmidi.i386-aros.lha usbmidi], [https://aminet.net/package/mus/midi/CAMD_Toolkit CAMD_Toolkit], [https://aminet.net/package/mus/midi/camdtools camdtools], [https://github.com/cnvogelg/amiditools amiditools], [https://github.com/timoinutilis/midi-sequencer-amigaos horny src], [https://aminet.net/package/mus/midi/horny-base horny-base], [http://bnp.hansfaust.de/index.html BnP], [], Regarding 680x0 emulation, there are several options that could be considered *[https://github.com/aros-development-team/AROS/blob/6722a0ae9e03fe5d26e32703360bd2059e0864cc/rom/m68kemu/README.md?plain=1#L424 m68kemu.library] for some Amiga productivity where the cpu is emulated and the system calls are redirected to Aros ones *[https://github.com/BlitterStudio/amiberry amiberry] (winuae) for everything else like games *[https://github.com/jonx/AROS/tree/aarch64-darwin-graft/arch/all-darwin/libs/emu68k emu68k] *[https://scriptedamigaemulator.net/ Scripted Amiga] with [https://github.com/naTmeg/ScriptedAmigaEmulator ScriptedAmigaEmulator] or older [https://github.com/gbraad-amiga/ScriptedAmigaEmulator2 ScriptedAmigaEmulator2] [https://pinout.xyz/ GPIO 40 pins] [https://learn.sparkfun.com/tutorials/raspberry-gpio/gpio-pinout pinout] Some exceptions: *Physical pins 27, 28 (GPIO0, 1) are an internal I2C bus and should not be used *The other I2C on pins 3, 5 (GPIO 2, 3) can be used generally, but be aware they have permanent pull-up resistors to 3.3V *For MIDI use USB but there are dedicated UART pins 8, 10 (GPIO 14, 15). With a HAT it's more awkward -- you need to know which pins are used by the HAT and avoid them. Hopefully this will be documented. Remember all GPIOs are 3.3V (not 5V tolerant), floating/noisy inputs can cause odd behavior, and that shorting the power supplies can cause instant death of the Pi. In the shell GPIO PIN/A/N,SET/N,GET/S,MODE/K,PULL/K Controls and queries hardware GPIO pins via gpio.resource which is stored in the rom or Devs/ '''please test''' *PIN -- (Required) Target GPIO pin number (e.g. 12). *SET -- Set pin output value to 0 (LOW) or 1 (HIGH). *GET -- Read and print current digital input level (0 or 1). *MODE -- Configure pin mode: IN (Input), OUT (Output), ALT (Alternate). *PULL -- Configure pull resistor: NONE, UP, DOWN. EXAMPLES <pre> GPIO 12 MODE OUT GPIO 12 SET 1 GPIO 12 GET GPIO 13 PULL UP </pre> [https://gpiozero.readthedocs.io/en/stable/installing.html Current] [https://gpiozero.readthedocs.io/en/v1.2.0/api_boards.html old support for gpiozero is unknown at present] [https://energenie4u.co.uk/res/pdfs/ENER314%20UM.pdf and associated 433MHz equipment] [ USA X10 security and lights via USB] [ OpenHab with Shelly Smart Plug connected over Wi-Fi, controlled by MQTT or HTTP] Printing only with Postscript but [https://github.com/bohunamiga/MintPRINT one] of [https://github.com/boingball/MintPRINT two] [https://github.com/Andiweli/AmiAirPrint/tree/main AirPrint] IPP has been attempted with [https://www.arosworld.org/infusions/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=2061&pid=13954#post_13954 discussion] Youtube [], [], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4fmWAIv7FE Aros native on Pi3b], [], [], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSxlYb1eQWU Installed on Pi3b+], [], [], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFF1H3jCoz8 testing Aros native on Pi400], [], [], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIVx7mh1E1Q&pp=ygUHYXJvcyBwadIHCQkTDAGHKiGM7w%3D%3D Aros on Thumb 2 based 32bit-ish ARM STM32H743 board], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQM4CD64xDE&t=612s&pp=ugUEEgJlbg%3D%3D Performance under Linux] but on Aros... {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Pi ! width="10%" |Single Core 2D ! width="10%" |Single Core 3D ! width="10%" |Single Core 3D ! width="10%" |SMP 2D ! width="10%" |SMP 3D ! width="10%" |SMP 3D ! width="35%" |Comments |- | <!--Pi-->Pi3 | <!--Single Core 2D--> | <!--Single Core 3D--> | <!--Single Core 3D--> | <!--SMP 2D--> | <!--SMP 3D--> | <!--SMP 3D--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} For the Pi1 Pi2 Pi2B the status of AROS native ARMv6 for 32bit RasPi was OK. System booting, USB working (although with some issues but plans to fix them). 32bit native [http://www.aros.org/nightly1.html ARMv6 32bit nightlys] raspi-armhf-system raspi-armhf-contrib unbz2'd to fat32 microSD ===Hosted=== AArch64 CPU backend for AROS, a Cocoa/Metal display, clipboard / host-volume / CoreAudio / BSD-sockets bridges, GPU 2D via gpufx.library, a 68k→AArch64 JIT (run68k), and a full Rust std port. On [https://www.jkn.me/blog/macaros-aros-on-apple-silicon/ latest Apple Silicon] [https://github.com/jonx/Macaros early buggy alpha version of hosted Aros .dmg on MacOS12+]. Please use [https://github.com/jonx/Macaros/issues MACAros github] for issues, features etc and possibly [https://www.arosworld.org/infusions/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=2030&pid=13910#post_13910 here] [http://www.aros.org/snapshots1.html old linux and android hosted 32bit] ==== Hosted ==== =====64bit===== [https://www.arosworld.org/infusions/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=2019&rowstart=80&pid=13667#post_13667 Ubuntu Linux PC hosted Pi compiler build] [https://github.com/BlitterStudio/aros-compiler-docker Docker based cross compiler for various Aros systems], =====32bit===== Ubuntu VM approach to compiling [http://lallafa.de/blog/2013/06/building-aros-hosted-for-raspbian/ Linux hosted AROS June 04, 2013] ../AROS/configure --target=linux-armhf --enable-includes=/usr/arm-linux-gnueabihf/include --x-includes=/usr/arm-linux-gnueabihf/include --x-libraries=/usr/arm-linux-gnueabihf/lib arm-elf- is symbol-linked to arm-linux-gnueabi- (arm-linux-gnueabi- is more correct in this case, because it's going to be compiling the ARM AROSBootstrap for ARM Linux) *armel - many of the "android" machines require since the entire OS is made for soft float VFP. *armfp - Efika MX target, Raspberry PI, EfikaMX, Pandora and virtually everything (VFP) Keep in mind it's possible to start hardfp AROS hosted on softfp system, though, as long as no calls between AROS and host require floating point parameters. NOTE: hardfloat objects *cannot* be linked with softfloat objects - they have a different ABI. Just keep in mind the arm nightly build machine is quite complex beast. It needs the x86_64 host compiler to compile AROS tools. The arm version is built every night using gcc-4.6.2 crosscompiler (built together with AROS) and successfully builds armel and armhf linux hosted targets. *needs an AROS code compiler for ARM target *as well as unix compiler for ARM linux host (would be best to have both softfp and armhf, we have softfp only now) with full set of libraries and includes. with—disable-crosstools $AROS_CC is always a wrapper around $KERNEL_CC ? If so, this is wrong for some ports. This can break Darwin, Windows and Android port. Yes, Android port will build. And even work. But it's not good because the port will not be ABI-compatible with other ARM ports. Android's ABI is different from GNUEABI. For example: <pre> enum test {foo, bar}; enum test testvar; </pre> sizeof(testvar) will be equal to sizeof(int) in GNUEABI (Linux and AROS) and sizeof(short) on Android. This affects linking objects from static linklibs, for example. Previously everything worked because $AROS_CC was a wrapper on top of $HOST_CC. And a real crosscompiler was used on non-ELF hosts. Android is the same. $KERNEL_CC is incompatible with AROS. compiler=kernel is appropriate _ONLY FOR CODE WHICH RUNS ON HOST OS_ (or barebone hardware, if we talk about native). This includes bootstraps, their linklibs, and host-side dynamic libraries (Windows makes extensive use of them because of architectural considerations. No single AROS object should be compiled with this setting. $KERNEL_CC is really compatible with AROS *ONLY IN LINUX-HOSTED* and no more. On other systems (Darwin, Windows, Android) this is not true any more, and compiler=kernel is never going to work. If you want to compile your AROS module against host OS includes, append the following to USER_INCLUDES (or USER_CFLAGS, this is effectively the same): -isystem $(GENINCDIR) $(KERNEL_INCLUDES) $(KERNEL_INCLUDES) expands to: -isystem <your_os_includes> -isystem <host_OS_gcc_private_includes> -nostdinc This makes AROS compiler adhering to host OS APIs. If you want some preprocessor symbols based on what your host OS actually is, add something like -DHOST_OS_$(AROS_HOST_ARCH). Why is there $(GENINCDIR) at all? Because host OS has its own libc includes, which would conflict with AROS ones. And the host OS libc is not binary-compatible with AROS one. Why doesn't Windows-hosted port use $(KERNEL_INCLUDES) ? Because WinAPI includes conflict with AROS ones in fundamental typedefs, like WORD, BYTE and BOOL. It's almost impossible to deal with this in any other way than rewriting WinAPI definitions using AROS types. Building under centos 6.3 (i386) currently, and AROS creates the toolchain itself. haven't yet committed the necessary changes but "./configure --target=raspi-armhf" is enough to start, then "make arosboot-raspi" will generate arosraspi.img (containing the bootstrap, kernel.resource, and exec.library) as well as arosraspi.rom (containing all the other essentials components such as dos, graphics etc). It will also copy over a config.txt file to make the raspi bootstrap code load the correct kernel, and a cmdline.txt that enables exec debug output. *armel = typically Debian 6, Ubuntu Maverick, Android, *armhf = typically Debian 7, Debian 8, Ubuntu Precise, Cross-compiling Ubuntu ARM softfp <pre> sudo sh echo 'foreign-architecture armel' >>/etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/multiarch echo 'deb [arch=armel] http://ports.ubuntu.com/ precise main universe' >/etc/apt/sources.list.d/armel.list apt-get update apt-get install gcc-arm-linux-gnueabi libx11-dev:armel libsdl-dev:armel </pre> <pre> ./configure --target=linux-arm --x-includes=/usr/include \ --enable-includes=/usr/arm-linux-gnueabi/include </pre> Cross-compiling Ubuntu ARM hard-float <pre> sudo sh echo 'foreign-architecture armhf' >>/etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/multiarch echo 'deb [arch=armhf] http://ports.ubuntu.com/ precise main universe' >/etc/apt/sources.list.d/armhf.list apt-get update apt-get install gcc-arm-linux-gnueabihf libx11-dev:armhf libsdl-dev:armhf </pre> <pre> ./configure --target=linux-armhf --x-includes=/usr/include \ --enable-includes=/usr/arm-linux-gnueabihf/include </pre> Now, the AROS build is configured properly and all you need to do is: make ==Build== ===64bit=== ===32bit=== # download/checkout the source someplace, e.g. /build/AROS-Src/ # make a directory to store external sources AROS downloads, e.g. /build/Ports # make a build directory, e.g. /build/aros-raspi-armhf # cd into the build dir, configure, and then run make -: <pre> >cd /build/aros-raspi-armhf >/build/AROS-Src/configure --target=raspberrypi-armhf --with-serial-debug --enable-ccache --with-portssources=/build/Ports >make >make arosboot-raspi </pre> then copy the files from /build/aros-raspi-armhf/bin/raspi-armhf/AROS/ onto an sdcard, and download/copy the Raspi firmware files onto it. You should then be able to boot the sdcard on your RasPi. The current W.I.P tree to svn. it can be built as follows .. <pre> ./configure --target=raspi-armhf make arosboot-raspi </pre> That will generate arosraspi.img, arosraspi.rom and config.txt in bin/raspi-arm/AROS - so either copy just those files to a fat formatted SD card (with the firmware files on), or copy the whole contents of the AROS folder. NB - if you have a Linux/other install, backup the existing config.txt first arosraspi.img contains the bootstrap (which has very basic mailbox code, framebuffer/gpio init, and console "emulation" via code pinched from our libbootconsole), kernel.resource, and exec.library arosraspi.rom contains all the other components needed to boot AROS. The config.txt file will tell the RasPI bootstrap to load the arosraspi kernel and ramdisk (rom). the bootstrap has minimal mailbox code, planning on adding either a resource or library that driver/app code will use to access it (likewise for GPIO) Help building AROS hosted on Linux ARM Was looking a way to use more my Handheld ARM based called Pyra (Dragonbox Pyra) an ARM (Omap5 cpu with 4GB ram) linux based machine (Debian Buster v10 with kernel 5.6.19 adapted) and have a try to compile the latest Aros sources by Deadwood directly on this device. Compilation stops after build libpopupmenu.a and trying to build libatomic have this error: <pre> Configuring build in bin/linux-arm/gen/host/tools/crosstools/gnu/gcc/arm-aros/libatomic configure: WARNING: unrecognized options: --disable-nls, --without-x checking for --enable-version-specific-runtime-libs... no checking for --enable-generated-files-in-srcdir... no checking build system type... arm-unknown-linux-gnu checking host system type... arm-unknown-aros checking target system type... arm-unknown-aros checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c checking whether build environment is sane... yes checking for arm-aros-strip... /media/farox/pyra2/arosbuilds/toolchain-core-armhf/arm-aros-strip checking for a thread-safe mkdir -p... /usr/bin/mkdir -p checking for gawk... no checking for mawk... mawk checking whether make sets $(MAKE)... yes checking whether make supports nested variables... yes checking for arm-aros-gcc... /media/farox/pyra2/arosbuilds/toolchain-core-armhf/arm-aros-gcc checking whether the C compiler works... no configure: error: in /media/farox/pyra2/arosbuilds/toolchain-core-armhf-build/bin/linux-arm/gen/host/tools/crosstools/gnu/gcc/arm-aros/libatomic': configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables See config.log' for more details make[2]: *** [mmakefile:4489: /media/farox/pyra2/arosbuilds/toolchain-core-armhf-build/bin/linux-arm/gen/host/tools/crosstools/gnu/gcc/arm-aros/libatomic/.configured] Error 77 [MMAKE] make --no-print-directory TOP=/media/farox/pyra2/arosbuilds/toolchain-core-armhf-build SRCDIR=/media/farox/pyra2/arosbuilds/AROS CURDIR=tools/crosstools/gnu TARGET=tools-crosstools-gcc-libatomic-configure -s --file=mmakefile tools-crosstools-gcc-libatomic-configure failed: 512 [MMAKE] Error: Error while running make in tools/crosstools/gnu: No such file or directory make[1]: *** [Makefile:361: linklibs-libatomic] Error 10 make: *** [Makefile:183: crosstools] Error 2 </pre> looking at config.log on arosbuilds/toolchain-core-armhf-build/bin/linux-arm/gen/host/tools/crosstools/gnu/gcc/arm-aros/libatomic found that arosbuilds/toolchain-core-armhf/arm-aros-ld: cannot find -laeabi so do make linklibs-aeabi-arm-quick and the missing lib was built. now the next stop is at fatal error: bits/libc-header-start.h: No such file or directory and fatal error: sys/cdefs.h: No such file or directory in many places so after checking that have this missing include files i have noted that my include path is a bit different, standard searching path is /usr/arm-linux-gnueabihf but in my system is /usr/include/arm-linux-gnueabihf so if i add my path to some mmakefiles compilation goes on....but is a better way to add this path to avoid every mmakefiles to be changed? fixed with adding -I/usr/include/arm-linux-gnueabihf to where is missing on mmakefiles like USER_INCLUDES := -isystem $(GENINCDIR) -I/usr/include/arm-linux-gnueabihf $(KERNEL_INCLUDES) P.s. I have changed many mmakefiles and have at least compiled (after many hours) the toolchain doing make every time in arosbuilds/toolchain-core-armhf-build (also have to disable making tests under cplusplus but don't remember the directory ...) but ask an help to have an automated way to correctly build without modify mmakefiles. Last time built armhf target was around 2 years ago. At that point built is via cross-compilation from linux (ubuntu 22.04) using linux armhf crosscompiler (this can explain the path differences you are experiencing) as well as using AROS gcc cross-compiler in version 6.5.0 (build with option 21) in rebuild.sh). Since then AROS GCC has been updated to 10.5.0 and don't believe anyone tried to build the armhf target again. My suggestion would be to downgrade GCC to 6.5.0 (via editing AROS/config/gcc_def file) and try to first build using cross-compilation from x86_64 linux. Once that works, you will have a "template" to compare to native compilation under arm linux. Thanks for your suggestion...but think the toolchain with GCC 10.5.0 is compilable if i found a way to pass the path of my system to the script that build (option 21 on rebuild). The other only changes are (but don't know where to modify...) is to add the build of libaeabi and disable the building of some tests under cplusplus that use exceptions and is not supported under ARM. try to crosscompile with my Linux amd64 PC. For paths look into core-linux-armhf/bin/linux-armhf/gen/config/target.cfg. A number of build-wide variable is set there containing paths to local build system. These variables and the target.cfg file are generated by AROS ./configure script. Thanks compilation now go forward...changed target.cfg under "toolchain-core-armhf-build/bin/linux-arm/gen/config" and do make on "toolchain-core-armhf-build" dir. Need to find where to enable build libaeabi.a so can build the entire toolchain with option 21 of rebuild.sh Found something that looks like libeabi in AROS/arm-all/arm-aeabi/mmakefile.src. Try adding a third line there: #MM- linklibs-armhd : libklibs-aeabi-arm Don't remember needing this library. Possibly the 6.5.0 GCC somehow does this while 10.5.0 is missing this. Try adding this line (and the variant "linklibs-armhf" instead of hd) but it did not solve the automatic building of the missing lib. I must do "linklibs-aeabi-arm-quick". Anyway after have build the aeabi lib i succefully built the toolchain (after many hours...). Smile To test I restarted from selecting option 21 (on rebuild.sh) but after many hours i get the same error of the kernel includes not found...maybe i need to modify the configure script for my case. With the toolchain built i try to build the core-linux-armhf (DEBUG) (option 22) but after a while it stopped with "cannot find -laeabi " so i made it built manually...and now i can continue compiling...i'll let you know if all goes ok. == Hardware == ===64bit=== ====BCM2712==== With the Pi5 Broadcom VideoCore 7 vc7 is an integrated GPU with 12 cores and up to 800 MHz clock. VideoCore VII is capable of OpenGL ES 3.1 and Vulkan 1.2. The driver support for the Raspberry Pi continues to build upon the [https://lore.kernel.org/dri-devel/20230928114532.167854-1-itoral@igalia.com/ open-source V3D driver] stack within [https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/25450 Mesa] hopefully be merged for Mesa 23.3 *Raspberry Pi M.2 HAT+ Expansion Board *Geekworm X1001 PCIe to M.2 Key-M NVMe *Geekworm X1003 PCIe to M.2 HAT NVMe SSD PIP Board for Raspberry Pi 5 *Pineboards Pi Hut HatDrive! M.2 HAT 2024/V4 *Hat+ Gen2 Gen3 Nvme *GeeekPi 52Pi N04 for Raspberry Pi 5 NVME M.2 * *2024 RPI AI HAT - Hailo 20TOPs no LLMs *2026 RPI AI HAT+ 2 - Hailo 40TOPs slightly better? [https://www.raspberrypi.com/documentation/accessories/camera.html Cameras for Pi] *Raspberry Pi camera module, the V3 with Sony IMX708 back-illuminated CMOS 12 Megapixel sensor *Raspberry Pi Camera Module V2 – 8MP Sony IMX219 Sensor *Raspberry Pi camera Rev 1.3, 5MP 1080P OV5647 image/video module, 2592 x 1944 pixels ====BCM2711==== With the Pi4 an ARM a72 cpu is about x3 times the size of an a53 in the Pi3 the 2711b line used more power when idle, compared to the 2711c *2018 Raspberry Pi PoE HAT Power Over Ethernet Hat - design issues *2020 Raspberry Pi PoE+ HAT Power Over Ethernet Hat Pi3b+ Pi4 only - better design *Waveshare PoE HAT (B) with cooling fan for Raspberry Pi 3B+/4B 802.3af PoE *[https://github.com/axizo-pi/V3DLib vc6 V3D 4.2] is derived from [https://docs.broadcom.com/doc/12358545 vc4], but it is significantly different The QPU pipeline stays mostly the same, you still have an add ALU and a multiply ALU and it can issue two ALU OPs per cycle. There is still 4 SIMD lanes, interleaved over 4 cycles. The instruction encoding for the QPUs is different, but the core instructions are the same. Instructions for packed 8 bit int math has been dropped, along with most of the pack modes. Instructions for packed 16bit float math has been added (2 floats at in a single operation) With vc5/vc6, you write two packed 16f value to the tilebuffer (or four writes of 32f, if you are using the rgba32f framebuffer). And there is a handy vfpack operation which allows you to pack two f32s into a single 32bit value in a single instruction. You can vfpack directly into the tile buffer register. the multiply ALU can now fadd, so you can issue two fadds per instruction. the add ALU has gained a bunch of new instructions the A and B register files have been merged. You still only get an A read and a B read per instruction, but they read from one big register file (which means the underlying memory block has gone from two sets of "one read port, one write port" to one "two read ports, one write port" block) The theoretical max FLOPs per QPU remains the same at two per cycle, other than the bump from 400mhz to 500mhx but it looks like a lot of effort has been put putting those theoretical FLOPs to better use. *vc4 could run one or two threads per QPU. When you ran in two thread mode, the available register file halfed to 32 registers. *vc5 added a four thread per QPU mode, with 16 registers per thread. *vc6 doubled the size of the register file. You could now use all 64 threads in two thread mode and 32 registers in for thread mode. Single thread mode was removed, you always have at least two threads. With the threading improvements, the QPUs should spent much less time idle waiting NOPs for memory requests. Most of the design changes have gone to improving the fixed function hardware around the QPUs. A fixed function blend unit has been added, which should reduce load on the QPUs when doing alpha blending. hope software blending is still possible The tile buffer can now store upto 4 render targets (up to 128bits per pixel, so if you are using 4 32bit render targets, you can't have a depth buffer) A MMU, allowing a much simpler/faster kernel driver. Many more texture formats, framebuffer formats. All the features needed for opengl es 3.0 H.265 / HEVC decoder is a HEVCv2 Main 4:4:4 10 design supporting bitstreams up to profile 5.1 HEVC hardware decode supports 4kp60, 10-bit. Audio output is pretty much unchanged, but the HDMI audio channels now support 8x192kHz bitrates Each ALU typically have 2 floating point operators, and as you pointed out in a earlier post videocore 6 is no exception, with both a multiply and additive floating point operator. Thus theoretical GFLOPs are calculated with both operators in mind. That is what the 2 in my formula represents, and is common across any modern programmable shader, whether you calculate Nvidia, AMD, Intel, Boardcom or any other company's GPUs. Total ALUs * 2 * GHz clock = GFLOPs, In the case of Raspberry Pi 3, it's 24 ALUs * 2 operators * 0.4GHz = 19.2GFLOPs If the Videocore 6 does indeed only have 16 ALUs (16 * 2 * 0.5GHz), you'd have only 16GFLOPs but they are better utilised Possible maximum performance <pre> VideoCore IV @ 250MHz: 250 [MHz] x 3 [slice] x 4 [qpu/slice] x 4 [processor] x 2 [op/clock] = 24 Gflop/s VideoCore IV @ 300MHz: 300 [MHz] x 3 [slice] x 4 [qpu/slice] x 4 [processor] x 2 [op/clock] = 28.8 Gflop/s VideoCore VI @ 500MHz: 500 [MHz] x 2 [slice] x 4 [qpu/slice] x 4 [processor] x 2 [op/clock] = 32 Gflop/s </pre> Faster LPDDR4 memory. ====BCM2837==== With the Pi3 * Broadcom BCM43438 chip provides 2.4&nbsp;GHz 802.11n wireless LAN, Bluetooth Low Energy, and Bluetooth 4.1 Classic radio support, 3B+ [https://github.com/aros-development-team/AROS/commit/afa5bc0bb17d5dd06bcfdbac00853a3799ca8d76 LAN7515] The overclock ability has diminished with each chip version as the energy usage has increased. BCM2837 is one of the warmest yet and benefits from active fan cooling if all four cpu cores are in use for a short while. Video playback is not affected due to the custom support in the GPU. 5 V / 2.4 or 2.5 amp power supply recommended if all four cpu cores are running, else throttling (cpu slowdown) might occur. Dual VDP and scalable QPU in VC4 ARMv8-A has [https://developer.arm.com/documentation/102412/0100/Privilege-and-Exception-levels privilege levels] where userspace typically runs at ‘EL0’, the kernel at ‘EL1’ or ‘EL2’ and the firmware at the highest level ‘EL3’. ===32bit=== === Core Kernel === ====BCM2708(family)==== which includes the [http://elinux.org/RPi_Hardware BCM2835] (ARM1176JZF-S 700&nbsp;MHz CPU + VideoCore IV GPU + up to 1GB RAM) *Framebuffer (fb) using mailbox *IRQ scheduler, etc *Arasan based SD Card controller *Synopsis DesignWare USB 2.0 OTG controller [http://networkdirection.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=106:rasperry-pi-usb-controller&catid=45:raspberry-pi&Itemid=54 Unofficial DOCS pdf], [dwc_otg.c FreeBSD], [], [https://www.riscosopen.org/viewer/view/mixed/RiscOS/Sources/HWSupport/USB/Controllers/DWCDriver/ RiscOS USB Driver], [https://www.riscosopen.org/forum/forums/5/topics/878 RiscOS USB Discussion], [https://www.riscosopen.org/forum/forums/11/topics/1893 Other USB RiscOS], [http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/index.html Plan9 Miller's usb] http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sources/contrib/miller/, [https://github.com/Chadderz121/csud CSUD driver], *[http://www.smsc.com/media/Downloads_Public/Data_Sheets/9512.pdf SMSC 9512] USB LAN/Hub chip *CMOS RAM *VCHIQ port which sends messages to the GPU e.g. for mouse, keyboard, audio on HDMI, etc *Audio Driver *Serial Peripheral Interface Bus (SPI) *[http://www.susa.net/wordpress/2012/06/raspberry-pi-pcf8563-real-time-clock-rtc/ I2C registers] *I2S *Universal Asynchronous Receiver Transmitter (UART) *[http://elinux.org/RPi_BCM2835_GPIOs GPIOs] and [http://www.adafruit.com/blog/2012/08/17/broadcom-bcm2835-peripheral-memory-map-and-gpio-alternate-use-chart-piday-raspberrypi-raspberry_pi/ Alternative view of GPIO] BCM2836 * For Pi B+, PI 2 and Pi 3 SMSC LAN9514 chip adding 10/100 Ethernet connectivity and four USB channels to the board *[http://www.andrewscheller.co.uk/rpi_pcb_modules.html PCB], [http://elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals Low level features], Implemented so far... # Modify the configure system so that it correctly builds for the arm hardware float raspi target. # Implemented the bootstrap to load the aros modules and prepare the arm to jump into them. Reworked the x86 console support so that parts can be stolen for raspi to use since t has no basic functionality to output to the display. # Implemented a kernel.resource to prepare the raspi for running aros and provide the low level api calls to expose available resources and allow exec, etc function. # Implemented serial debug support # Implemented the exec (and kernel) functionality required to make multitasking work (and interrupts, exceptions, syscalls, etc) # Implemented a timer.device to utilise the hardware timers. # Implemented a very basic gfx driver to expose the hardware's framebuffer. # Implemented an SD-Card driver for AROS which presently only supports the raspi's chipset but can easily be modified to support all sd-card hardware and media. # Fixed the fat filesystem support in AROS so that it can boot on RasPi's normal SD-Card setup. The "rom" image files needed use a different filename than the default linux, etc images so can be easily installed without harming the existing files - you only need to change the loaded images in the config file to get aros to boot. # Updated the build scripts to automatically download the necessary raspi firmware files and wrap it all up so that you can simply extract the archive to a fat formatted sdcard and boot it on the raspi without having to get anything else. # fix everything in contrib and ports to build for raspi (needs proper testing/fixes but allows every component to actually compile at least, including owb) + numerous other fixes to get things working on arm/raspi .. Improvements... # Implement a USB chipset driver "OR" finish the existing one [https://github.com/aros-development-team/AROS/commit/c07d13c724f944674be5db54fc6a71ee72a01809 usb otg] - the current code is mostly a skeleton that should initialise the chipset and then needs relevant code to support the different transfer types. It also has the "virtual" hub code in place to represent the raspi's USB port (from poseidons p.o.v) # Implement a driver for the USB NIC (a few weeks - depends on USB above) # Write an [https://github.com/aros-development-team/AROS/commit/d55d0f74d20b769bbb8c8d386e5c1d7a9154f05a audio driver] (a few weeks - independent of USB) and [https://github.com/aros-development-team/AROS/commit/e93a4c245f27a87c9c4c1d39206694b39059998a HDMI] # fix syscall bug in the current raspi kernel code # Graphics depend on having a decent "bcmdma.resource" implemented as to use the cpu's dma engine. The sd card driver needs to use it for transfers to/from the controller - and the gfx system needs to use it for "blitting". # [https://github.com/aros-development-team/AROS/commit/4019d84e4975d4dad987a12d57fe108f5ac048e6 Improve the gfx driver], [ vc4gfx HIDD] add [http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/VC4/ Gallium3D support] # [https://github.com/aros-development-team/AROS/commit/b13905b3e8e45b089f520b44692c81affddd066f Improve] the [https://github.com/aros-development-team/AROS/commit/3a876755c070f5c73c4f53c7f4d35b4f923088b9 sdcard] device driver - which is also pretty basic but should work with most cards, rework it to also support pci, etc. sd card interfaces on x86 # The current code using very rudimentary access to the gpio interface - so that should be implemented as some resource for other components to access, as-well as the i2c interface exposed over the gpio interface. that should have a hidd class implemented which uses the gpio resource to communicate. Boot up typical for most other OSs before the open sourcing of many binary blobs from 2017 onwards On power-up, the rpi [http://www.open.com.au/mikem/bcm2835/ BCM 2835] [https://github.com/hermanhermitage/videocoreiv VideoCore4] GPU, not the ARM CPU, is in control, and the SD card slot is the only peripheral device with power. The firmware burned into the BCM2835's VideoCoreIV GPU PROM requires a DOS-style partition table; a FAT-formatted first partition; and the freely redistributable but closed sourced Broadcom files “bootcode.bin” and “start.elf” in that partition. The boot sequence carries out several pre-boot tasks *On powering of the rpi, the GPU reads and executes bootcode.bin, which then loads start.elf *The GPU loads the “start.elf” file, eventually, into the L2 cache and then executes it *configures the memory split for the CPU and GPU *reads and parses “config.txt” from the same partition on the SD card and applies the settings (like a PC’s BIOS settings) *loads the “kernel.img” file, again from the same partition *activates the CPU to begin executing the loaded kernel image The CPU/GPU memory split is hard-coded into start.elf, so Broadcom provides three start.elf images, to give 32M, 64M, or 128M to the GPU for multimedia performance, and the remainder to the CPU. RPi uses [https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware some closed source loaders] and at some point it loads a binary blob named "kernel.img" at 0x8000, at that point there would be a rudimentary Aros alive. If one wants to use the SD-card then there would have to be a driver for the interface and a fat filesystem handler (SD-card has to be formatted to fat filesystem) Boot code and kernel are now linked together and made into that binary blob, just for starters. Raspberry Pi uses [http://kernelnomicon.org/?p=133 u-boot] and [http://kernelnomicon.org/?p=138 UBoot] as bootloader, there's already some code in the Efika MX port for that. UBoot is a native bootloader and not just for the raspberry pi, it loads after start.elf. You can find Efika MX port from arch implementations, some hacking is needed for the mmakefile.src'es as iit dates back to before the Aros crosstool era or else you get some weird errors while building. You also need to code the bootstrap and serial handling. At the moment it seems that a fastest route for the native build would be to make one binary blob without using the package system. Raspberry's memory layout is pretty simple and if the implemented u-boot doesn't support loading other modules <pre> ? - alias for 'help' mtest - simple RAM test autoscr - run script from memory base - print or set address offset bbm - BBM sub-system bdinfo - print Board Info structure boot - boot default, i.e., run 'bootcmd' bootd - boot default, i.e., run 'bootcmd' bootm - boot application image from memory bootp - boot image via network using BootP/TFTP protocol cmp - memory compare coninfo - print console devices and information cp - memory copy crc32 - checksum calculation echo - echo args to console fatinfo - print information about filesystem fatload - load binary file from a dos filesystem fatls - list files in a directory (default /) go - start application at address 'addr' help - print online help iminfo - print header information for application image itest - return true/false on integer compare jade - loadb - load binary file over serial line (kermit mode) loads - load S-Record file over serial line loady - load binary file over serial line (ymodem mode) loop - infinite loop on address range md - memory display mm - memory modify (auto-incrementing) mtest - simple RAM test mw - memory write (fill) nfs - boot image via network using NFS protocol nm - memory modify (constant address) pci - list and access PCI Configuration Space ping - send ICMP ECHO_REQUEST to network host printenv - print environment variables rarpboot - boot image via network using RARP/TFTP protocol reset - Perform RESET of the CPU run - run commands in an environment variable saveenv - save environment variables to persistent storage saves - save S-Record file over serial line setenv - set environment variables sleep - delay execution for some time tftpboot - boot image via network using TFTP protocol USB - USB sub-system usbboot - boot from USB device version - print monitor version </pre> And there is one more thing about modular ports. In order to actually implement this, your bootstrapping environment should provide the ability to load several files. On PC this is provided by GRUB2. on CHRP you can read filesystem via OpenFirmware, and Sam's Parthenope relies on modified u-boot. If your bootstrap allows to load only a single file, then you stuck with monolithic kickstart. By the way... u-boot allows not only to boot up a single uImage or zImage, it also allows to write client programs AFAIK. With this approach, you actually can write modular bootstrap for ARM AROS using unmodified u-boot. Most used [http://www.compulab.co.il/workspace/mediawiki/index.php5/U-Boot_quick_reference uboot options] are fatls usb 0:1, the reason behind INTB_KERNEL is to allow use of the standard Exec function AddIntServer() to add interrupt handlers for hardware drivers etc. AmigaOS never used it for abstract hardware drivers. AmigaOS routed only raw hardware IRQs there. Their assignment was hardcoded. As well as number of them. Actually on AmigaOS every bus has its own interrupt subsystem. For example PCI bus. PCI interrupts on Amiga are routed to a single exec interrupt. 1:1 relationship between CPU and hardware interrupts is present only on PC. IMHO we miss things like AddInterrupt/RemInterrupt methods on our PCI subsystem's device class. PCI bus class should map these methods to whatever is appropriate. This is how it is done on AmigaOS and friends. When these are implemented, raw kernel.resource API will be needed only for several PC-specific drivers with hardwired resources. Exec IRQs are real IRQs only on Amiga hardware. On other machines they can be emulated where appropriate (VBlank is a good example). kernel.resource is meant to be different, its IRQs are hardware-agnostic, they are plain "Hardware IRQ number X, whatever this means". They are low-level actually, and meaningful only in the context of a particular system. Was that not the transition from irq.hidd to kernel.resource? No. A long time ago there was another hacky bit named INTB_TIMERTICK. It was "abstract timer interrupt", used by timer.device. It was the same as VBlank, but with larger frequency. I removed it, because kernel.resource API was a cleaner way to access this interrupt. Furthermore, there can be more than one timer in the system. Thinking about bringing back timer HIDD definitions again. hpet.resource is a bad idea. Can someone please enlighten me a little on how the scheduler is meant to work? Poseidon.library creates its "Poseidon Event Task" during RTF_COLDSTART -> then calls Wait(), and ends up in limbo because wait disables interrupts (used for the scheduler heartbeat), and basically waits forever because the sigbit is never set, since krnSwitch doesn't switch the task unless TF_SWITCH is set, and no codepath run during this seems to set it?? TF_SWITCH does not disable/enable switching. This flag just enables to run user-supplied hook when the task is being switched away. It is completely safe to call Wait() in Disable()d state. Doing this actually temporarily breaks this state. IDNestCnt gets remembered in struct Task, then next task is selected, and its IDNestCnt is restored in sysbase (see kernel_scheduler.c). If there are no other tasks, then your cpu_Dispatch() should enable interrupts on the CPU and enter idle mode. See x86 implementation for good example. You miss what happens next... 1. KrnSwitch() saves context of your task, saves IDNestCnt (core_Switch() and cpu_Switch()), then drops into cpu_Dispatch(). 2. cpu_Dispatch() calls core_Dispatch. Then two cases are possible: 2a. There is a READY task. It is picked up, its IDNestCnt is restored in SysBase, then cpu_Dispatch() needs to restore registers and exit. The next task is run. 2b. There are no READY tasks. core_Dispatch() returns NULL. In this case your cpu_Dispatch() should enter idle loop. It should just enable interrupts on the CPU and put it on halt. This allows it to process hardware interrupts. Eventually some of your interrupt handlers wakes up your task and puts it into READY list. My heartbeat interrupt has been slowed atm to help debugging - but it never actually gets a chance to fire because of the Wait() disabling interrupts. Perhaps you have forgotten to enable interrupts in your idle loop. There is a change in the format of AROS executables. Until now we were using Elf RELocable files which are usually used as intermediate object files. We had them for various reasons, one of them was how AROS files were built in the past. That days we had no real aros cross compiler and the option to embed relocation data in unix executables (or in executable files in general) was rather new and not every linux/unix system had it. Therefore we have decided to use intermediate files. Although it was somehow working (and it is still working :-)), it has some drawbacks. Therefore decided to introduce real Elf EXEC types, in first turn implemented on ARM target with option to expand in future to all other AROS architectures. The first patch was pretty easy and appeared to work somehow. It generated nice executables with embedded relocation info. Not only that, it also removed all global symbols adjusting relocation data to be relative to the beginning of the sections. That move reduced number of symbols in each executable significantly (depending on the file between 20 and 80% of all symbols could be removed). The only symbols that stayed in the file are local ones - due to the nature of the patch wasn't able to remove them since we have not seen them in the symbol hash table. The patch didn't worked though. The files were relocated, AROS kernel loaded, but it crashed very early. What happened? Well, the nature of ARM relocations happened :) Most of the relocation data on all machines is rather simple. Relocation can be absolute or pc-relative, sometimes the offset has to be bit shifted. On ARM v7 there is another one. There, when one wants to load an address of function/variable into register a combination of two instructions can be used: movw and movt. The first one loads immediate into lower 16 bits of a register while clearing upper 16 bits. The second one loads immediate into upper 16 bits without touching lower halfword. Loading of a pointer into a register looks like this: movw r0, #:lower16:label movt r0, #:upper16:label In this case there are two relocations - one for lower halfword and another for upper. If an overflow of lower 16 bits occurs during relocation process, the upper one should be updated as well. Unfortunately with current patch and with typical ARM executables there is not enough information to perform the calculations. There are two options - the first one would be to give up and go back to "fake" executables, another one would be to change from REL to RELA relocation info. The latter contains an addend, extra data which can be used to perform all the relocation calculations I need. Decided for the second option. The patch is already in the works. There is another function for the binutils' bfd backend to perform the final relocation. There can decide what to do with every reloc info, modify data and eventually strip some symbols. An advantage is - at this stage of the linking process have also full access to all local symbols so can change all relocations section relative and eventually strip all symbols from the files. GPU VCore developed by Alphamosaic Ltd and now owned by Broadcom. Most of start.elf runs on the GPU. Placing ALL the userland GPU code in the videocore.hidd isn't going to be a terribly big problem because the code they published is nothing more than a shim that sends data straight to the GPU to execute. The good news about this is that we only need to write our HIDD using the OpenVG API. The shim is relatively small codewise and lives in the ARM memory (the actual OpenVG code itself lives in the GPU RAM area and its loaded from start.elf). That's also the bad news. Our driver has to translate AROS video calls to OpenVG calls, for most tasks it should be easy, for some, not so much. It's still probably less difficult and less work, than controlling the GPU directly. The other good news is that anything done through OpenVG happens on the GPU, its truly accelerated. It also has some nice font functions, meaning we can lead into an accelerated text mode later. Basically, AROS resets or locks up when it tries to use AROS_ATOMIC_INC or DEC. If I comment out the byte/word operations in the header files and use non-atomic operations, the code works as expected. have read that the L1 cache needs to be enabled to use LDREX and co (which I also read is only meant to be used on multi processor systems with shared memory) - however I am certain this is correctly enabled. If you are using LREX or STREX, you should have L1 cache enabled, at least on the ARM CPU I work with at work. L1 cache is enabled by enabling the MMU *AND* setting the C and I bits in the CPU - the C bit is ignored, and the I bit only covers the 16 byte instruction pipeline if the MMU is not enabled. Can you verify that your assembly is generating LDREX/STREX? From the behavior, it almost sounds like its generating the default Semaphore locked atomics. Impossible. There are no semaphore-locked atomics. There are Disable()/Enable()-based ones instead. And there's a special #define AROS_NO_ATOMIC_OPERATIONS in this case, which tweaks Disable()/Enable() implementations not to recurse forever. I have tested this on ARMv5 which does not have ldrex/strex, it works fine. On those ARMs there's no way to have real atomics. On other OSes (like Linux) this is done by introducing things like atomic_t, which appears to be a complex structure, holding the value together with accompanying spinlock (implemented using swp). #warning "TODO: lookup optimal mmu table settings for raspi memory" /* Set up an identity-mapping for all 4GB */ for(x = 0; x < 4096; x ++) { pagetable[x] = x<<20 | (0x40002|0x80000|0x010000|0x00C00|0x04); } Shouldn't there be a second loop that sets the 'C' bit in the descriptor for the RAM pages? Currently, you have TEX=0, C=0, B=1 for all pages (Shared Device). You should have TEX=0, C=1, B=0 for RAM (Write-Through, Cached) So .. pagetable[x] = x<<20 | 2; should be enough? No, for RAM you need to change the '| 0x40' to '| 0x80' tell dosboot the correct defaults to use Please don't do this. This bootconfig.c is a deprecated legacy thing. I wanted it to go away completely with time. Instead, display drivers should auto-install themselves during own initialization phase. I. e. detect hardware=>instantiate itself. This should make things way simpler. With this approach you only need to add the driver into KS image to get the device autobooted. No hardcoded stuff. Currently VESA and VGA drivers do this, look there for examples. never rewrote ATI driver because i don't have any test system for it. they defined a smaller AROSCPUContext than the ExceptionContext - yet reference it as ExceptionContext in other places, and since it hasn't allocated enough storage for ExceptionContext, are corrupting memory/the structure (since the elements that are there don't map 1 to 1 with the exception context). AFAIK, AROS has been moving in a different direction to this in recent years. It is the job of graphics HIDDs to allocate bitmaps etc. so that they have the most suitable characteristics, including allocating them from GPU RAM where possible. The concept of chip RAM is only for legacy code, and most if not all non-68k platforms should have all system RAM marked as chip. BTW, is the video processing code you mention CPU code or GPU code? Also, IIRC we have support for "external memory allocators". Perhaps that's what we need for the allocation of GPU RAM through the mailbox. All hosted and x86 native ports should use proper context formats. trying to clarify if the vblank handler has to have run by this point to prevent this deadlock. Actually, no. Unless you have installed VBlank handler which should wake up at some point. Without VBlank there will be no quantum count. Consequently, there will be no forced preemption. But the rest will work, and multitasking will be cooperative (switch happens only when current task voluntarily gives up the CPU). Does it depend on the vblank having run before this point? and if yes what does that mean on systems where it might be able to run enough code (e.g. get to this point) before the vblank interrupt has triggered? What is it waiting for? It could wait for timer, in this case you need timer.device working. VBlank is currently needed for exec's quantum counter. In current native ports we have only a single timer, which is served by timer.device. VBlank is simulated by timer.device also. If your machine has two timers, then you can use one of them for VBlank, and another for timer.device, this will simplify things down. VBlank needs to be 50 Hz for historical reasons, many programs use it as cheap timer. I am periodically thinking about making some abstract mechanism to be able to change quantum source (and untie it from 50 Hz), but have no time to come up with something good. Additionally i started disliking timer.device hardcoded design when PC has got many timers (old 8253, APIC, HPET). Currently i think there should be some low-level entity representing tick source. timer.device should just select the most appropriate source for its units. The BCM2835 has 4 GPU based timer sources - 2 are used by the GPU, so im using Timer3 for our heartbeat and the remaining one will be free to the system. There is also the less capable ARM timer but that is dependent on the CPU frequency. Very good. You won't need any emulation. Set the heartbeat to 50 Hz and drive VBlank from it. Use other timer for MicroHZ. Can you use the 'econsole.hook' I make for debugging the Sam460 via the serial port? It provides a before-anything-else shell prompt on the serial port. You can then do 'NewCLI' to test your graphics, or use any DOS command in shellcommands.resource. You should just be able to add econsole.hook to your module list, and use 'econsole' in your bootargs. So long as you have a working Exec/RawMayGetChar and Exec/RawPutChar, it should work. Also make sure to add shell.resource and shellcommands.resource for this. That should have done it. If you set "#define DEBUG 1" in arch/all-native/econsole/econsole.c, do you get any additional serial output? have added it to the build and added econsole to the command line - and can see the bootloader picks up on the emergency bootconsole tag, but I still only get the insert bootable media display? Im assuming it exposes a fake filesystem that tricks aros into booting? The contents of which are: ECON:AROS.boot Way to handle the scheduling code? The implementations I had been following were causing problems, due to cascading interrupts which I cant handle properly in the asm stubs just now (when they break disable etc.) - since it means detecting the interrupted codes cpu mode and getting the correct sp/lr for it, and that's just too tedious for arm. To work around this ive added a system idle task which does nothing - and when the scheduling code has no task to run switches this in and lets it run, thereby allowing the interrupts etc to resume until something does need to happen. Also, by adding accounting code to cpu_Switch() and cpu_Dispatch(), it should allow the system to log idle time correctly (as well as running tasks). have thought of also adding an additional task that never runs, solely to record time spent in IRQ handlers, but I digress.. was under the impression that kernel.resource should *never* be used outside of exec.library. This is a wrong impression. Michal started designing it because portable nature of AROS does not fit well into exec's API with all its assumptions. So, he started the new, hardware-agnostic kernel API from scratch. Yes, exec sits on top of it in places. But kernel always meant to be open thing. Otherwise it would not exist. it wasn't meant to be just used willy nilly by user code - but by lower system components (e.g. exec) so that they could be implemented in a more generic fashion, and the kernel resource itself hide the systems quirks. Adding new things there perfectly keeps up with our decision to minimize AROS-specific intervention into APIs which can clash with MorphOS or Amiga OS4 extensions. We want at least source-level compatibility there. Binary compatibility on PPC would be extremely cool, but at the other hand we have no maintainer for this, as well as their ABIs splintering. It depends on what exactly is being implemented - there's no reason we should have everything crammed into kernel.resource if it doesn't need to be (i.e. if its better suited as a separate component/subsystem in its own right) The _LE versions are for when you have endian swapping taking place. If the graphics are the same endian as the CPU, no swapping should occur. I ran into a similar terminology problem in SDL with a friend insisting that his Radeon 7000 on his PC was big-endian. It is not, it just uses the same endianness for the graphics card and the CPU so no swapping was necessary. They were both little-endian. The _LE versions are because the PixFmts refer to the bitmap data being in big endian format in memory, for which the normal version would need to do endianness conversion before applying the shifts/masks. on this platform it is in _LE in memory also so we don't need the conversion hence using the _LE version of the call). would use _LE (if it's really little endian 16 bit mode). What is the bare minimum needed to implement a framebuffer based gfx driver, with our software handling the rest? Have tried with just a gfx class that only expose new/dispose/newbitmap - and having an onscreenbitmap used only for the framebuffer itself (with all other bitmaps being chunkybm, and the framebuffer's superclass also being chunkybm), but that alone isn't enough it seems? You can use workbench/hidds/sm502/ as your example - it is as simple as I could make it. So, AROS creates the framebuffer bitmap (verified this) -> so surely it should be capable of then rendeing into it? I don't actually create the framebuffer "bitmap object" myself - only as a result of being asked to. The code I currently have on SVN seems to create the framebuffers bitmap object fine, but then crashes in intuitions DisplayDriver callback. In particular it crashes performing the getattr on the system default pointer. don't expose MEMF_CHIP in an allocatable form so AllocSpriteData was failing (and other code later doesn't check if the values are valid == illegal memory accesses) So far have -: vc_init: queries the gpus memory, and sets up a fake memory handler for it, then adds the bootmode driver and returns saying all is well vc_gfxhidd:New: sets up some fake syncmodes to test with and creates the real gfx object. vc_gfxhidd:NewBitmap: checks if its a framebuffer and uses the onbitmap class or uses the chunkybm class otherwise vc_onbitmap:New; creates a chunkybm object and then pushes the real framebuffer address into it as the buffer, vc4 had v8adds, v8subs, v8muld, v8min and v8max which operated on four 8bit uint values packed into a 32bit register. Multiplication was in the range 0.0 to 1.0 and addition/subtraction saturated. There were also a range unpacking/packing modes that allowed you to pack and unpack 8bit values into 32bit registers. RasPi has to speak to the "operating system" which runs on the GPU itself and request/free memory - it cant directly manage it itself, and so the managed functions were used to wrap these calls. The Arm and GPU share memory space. The framebuffer is shared. The Arm can write a pixel and it will appear on the screen (through GPU hardware) without flushing/copying being required. The GPU can composite multiple FB's in real time - so you have a number of surfaces defined which are rotated etc and composited in real time to the output. Copying can map from the address space of the Arm to the flat space of the GPU which takes some code, but I don't think whole buffers are copied. The DMA hardware can also access the whole memory space and can perform 2D fills and blits (no blending). This is documented in the peripheral spec posted. The DMA is just an Arm accessible peripheral and can be set up with low latency (e.g. microseconds). must use a 0xc0000000-based bus address to access SDRAM, yet non-DMA access should go via a 0x0-based bus address. For 2D dma, set TDMODE, and the spec says "interpret the TXFR_LEN register as YLENGTH number of transfers each of XLENGTH, and add the strides to the address after each transfer." so set STRIDE to pitch of the image, the width is XLENGTH and height is YLENGTH. You would fill by not setting the SRC_INC and point source to your fill data. The DMA cannot see the ARM's L1 cache, so you would map the framebuffer with ioremap_nocache. Depending on where the source data comes from, it may need an L1 cache flush. The DMA can see the L2 cache. Use 0xC0000000 bus addresses when L2 is disabled and 0x40000000 bus addresses when L2 is enabled. (actually just call virt_to_bus and you'll get the right address out). openGLES/openVG has high latency. Writing to framebuffer then reading it back is very inefficient (e.g. milliseconds). If you can drive it a unidirectional way, just streaming commands at then that is efficient. openVG is not implemented on top of openGLES - it uses the same hardware but as a first class interface To improve the Gfx driver, we will need a DMA resource implemented so can use to perform DMA operations. The Gfx driver will need this to perform blits. Actually MEMF_CHIP has to present, for historical reasons. This has been never fully agreed upon, but in ports i wrote i exposed the whole memory as MEMF_CHIP. The idea behind this is that CHIP is originally the memory where graphics and sound data can be put. On non-Amiga platforms there are no restrictions on this, so the whole memory is CHIP. Yes, many old software can misbehave with CHIP memory size larger than 2MB. But this actually applies only to m68k AROS which is going to run m68k binaries. In other cases it's quite logical to fix the program when porting. As to original question: yes, it's enough to have a framebuffer bitmap (one with aoHidd_BitMap_FrameBuffer set to TRUE) and PutPixel routine. It framebuffer can be served by chunky bitmap class, then you can simply create chunky bitmap with your own buffer (see how VESA driver does this). Chunky PutPixel is already there. struggling to determine what is the correct pixfmt to use for the 24/16/15 bit gfx modes on the RasPi. AFAIK it uses RGB565, for 16bit but im unsure what shifts etc should go with it? suffice to say Im getting the wrong colors so far lol. <pre> redmask: 0x0000F800 greenmask: 0x000007E0 bluemask: 0x0000001F alphamask: 0 redshift: 16 greenshift: 21 blueshift: 27 alphashift: 0 </pre> It should likely be vHidd_StdPixFmt_RGB16_LE This stuff is a bit confusing. The "names" of the stdpixfmts are based on the layout in memory, ignoring endianess. So for example: ARGB32: will be 0xAA 0xRR 0xGG 0xBB in memory on both big endian and little endian machines. The shifts and masks OTOH are based on pixel access (ULONG in this case), so differ depending on whether you run on big endian machine or little endian machine (that's why there's stdpixfmt_le.h and stdpixfmt_be.h in rom/hidds/graphics/). With the 16 bit pixel format it's even more confusing, as for example it's impossible on little endian machine to describe RGB16 with shifts/masks alone. That's why there's vHidd_PixFmt_SwapPixelBytes_Flag. (RGB16 == RRRRRGGG GGGBBBBB in memory, and for pixel (WORD) access on little endian machine it needs to be accessed as GGGBBBBBRRRRRGGGG). The shifts btw indicate how much to shift the component to the left (!) so that it is moved to the highest bit (31). The aHidd_PixFmt_StdPixFmt you specify will be ignored most of the time, because when the pixelfmt is registered, the gfx hidd checks if there's an identical pixfmt (shifts/masks/etc., but ignoring pixfmt->stdpixfmt) already in the system, and if so, it uses the already existing one and does not create a new one. In theory it would be better if gfx drivers could simply/only specify a StdPixFmt without all the shifts/masks stuff when the gfx driver uses pixfmt which matches one of the stdpixfmts exactly. Another possibility would be for gfx drivers to use HIDD_Gfx_GetPIxFmt(stdpixfmt_gfx_driver_wants_to_use) and then peek shifts/masks from it and fill out a pixfmt tag list based on that. 15bit very blue/green: Try to pass same shifts/masks/etc. as in 16 bit pixfmt (maybe you think it's using 15 bit R5G5B5 (or swapped) but it's actually still using 16 bit R5G6B5 (or swapped). aHidd_PixFmt_StdPixFmt you pass is mostly ignored. It's the shift/masks/etc. that count. But I would still pass the correct one (_LE) == whatever rom/hidds/graphics/stdpixfmts_??.h uses in the entry where you have looked up shifts/masks/etc. Use the shifts/masks/etc. from the entry in stdpixfmt_le.h (if you are running on little endian machine) or stdpixfmt_be.h (if you are running on little endian machine) that matches the pixfmt that its meant to be. 0xAA,0xRR,0xGG,0xBB on little endian (->entry in stdpixfmt_le.h which says vHidd_StdPixFmt_ARGB32) 0xBB,0xGG,0xRR,0xAA on little endian (->entry in stdpixfmt_le.h which says vHidd_StdPixFmt_BGRA32) 0xAA,0xRR,0xGG,0xBB on big endian (->entry in stdpixfmt_be.h which says vHidd_StdPixFmt_ARGB32) 0xBB,0xGG,0xRR,0xAA on big endian (->entry in stdpixfmt_be.h which says vHidd_StdPixFmt_BGRA32) it feels like AROS trashes the alpha component, otherwise it should be 8A8R8G8B. read on the subject suggest its in 1x5r5g5b (x is ignored) to keep 16bit alignment . Suggests to me that wrong shift/mask are being applied - however going by the 16bit versions it all looks correct to me so I am really confused as to what is happening. The output image looks to have too much green/blue, and very weak red. Kickstart The idea is to minimize amount of archirecture-specific modules to make the user's life easier. So, the kickstart was split into 'base' (which does not contain anything machine-specific) and 'BSP' (Board Support Package) which contains all hardware-specific stuff. This way, for example, distribution makers can save up space on CD and make CDs with multiple platform support. Different configuration would load the same base with different BSP's. Next there was some part which is entirely missing on hosted. These are filesystems. Hosted ports do not need them to boot up, so on hosted they are left out. At the other hand, they are also architecture-agnostic. So i put them into 'FS' package (standing for 'filesystem'). USB Poseidon is one more big part. I made it into separate package in order to allow users to omit it if they don't need it (for example, to run on retro PCs without USB). Personally i have one. Again, Poseidon is hardware-agnostic (well, there are USB drivers but HCIs are pretty standard). AFAIK its HCI 1.0 compliant but not familiar enough with poseidons drivers, nor USB, to just hack away at the existing code. Perhaps once i'm more familiar with the workings I can merge in the changes needed to get it operating but for now I will focus on getting it running. Also our drivers have known issues so perhaps a fresh set of eyes might shed some light on what is going wrong. Another interesting question is whether Poseidon can operate on device side. Is it flexible enough? How similar is being a USB host and USB device? think it will need a bit of work on Poseidon's side. Until then I will force the driver into Host/Master mode in the init code, but leave open device etc to configure the chipset for either's use - and look at trying to add support for working in Device/Slave mode & switching modes once it's up and running. Actually USBROMStartup is some kind of kludge. Can there be any alternative? Could device drivers be self-installing, like our HIDDs? This would get rid of need to list them in USBRomStartup. * Model A and B limited to 150 mA per port. * Model B+ and Pi 2 introduced configurable 600 mA to 1.2 A support over all ports - anything above that requires a powered USB hub. Implementing the hardware driver that Poseidon uses to interact with the USB components. Have code in place to (try) and initialise the USB chipset, and configure host/device mode operation (though AFAICT Poseidon doesn't support device mode). Started to get the "virtual" root hub written for the single USB port so that Poseidon should at least list it correctly in the GUI - and try to interact with it to find peripherals. The BCM2835 uses a soft IP block from Synopsys’ DesignWare library (DWC), specifically the block is called dwc_usb_2_0_hs_otg_subsystem-ahb_se (“USB 2.0 Hi-Speed OTG Controller Subsystem w/AHB Interface SE”). There is no public documentation for this, and pretty much zero chance of anyone getting hold of it even with NDA. However, there's a Linux driver written by Synopsys ([https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux dwc_usb]). Specifically directories [https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/tree/rpi-patches/drivers/usb/host dwc_common_port] and [https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/tree/rpi-patches/drivers/usb/host dwc_otg]. The Synopsys code is actually under a fairly permissive licence – it's not GPL, it's similar to BSD (’don't sue us if it breaks’ is pretty much the only clause). So this should not be a barrier to porting the code. The code is really well written, with a nice partition between the work done by the driver (dwc_otg, which is fairly involved, given the host does more work than a conventional EHCI driver), and the interface to Linux (dwc_common_port). Probably only need provision of relevant changes to dwc_common_port. Other things to consider.... * Provision of necessary headers to get it to compile * Provision of necessary functions (main issues are wait queues, threads, work queues, tasklets, timers, spinlocks and mutexes (multithreading) ) * Interfacing between USB stack and the driver. dwc_otg/dwc_otg_hcd_linux.c looks like the place to start. the Linux bits of the headers are only required for the dwc_common_port library. dwc_common_port includes a variety of crypto functions which are not used – it appears to also be used for ultrawideband (UWB) and wireless USB (WUSB) drivers where crypto will be an issue, but it isn't going to be for plain wired USB. Every USB driver acts as an USB hub as well in order to let Poseidon control the state of USB ports. The code there was reading status of the only USB port in Raspberry's CPU but when changing the status it erroneously deleted some of the status bits, including the port enable one. It was so because those bits in the status register are of a type Read/WriteToClear. It means, if one does not want to change their value from 1 back to 0, one has to actually write the 0 value. Very practical thing e.g. in interrupt handlers, where one reads the interrupt status register to learn what was the interrupt reason, and writes it back to the same register in order to clear the interrupts. After fixing that code it turned out that the communication was still unsuccessful. Apparently the USB device was not understanding the host for some reason. That should not happen since the request sent was one of the standard ones implemented by virtually anything with an USB connector, assumed that Poseidon clears the data caches before forwarding the work to the USB drivers but that's the responsibility of the driver itself. The USB device responded and acknowledged the transmission! But why were all the request sent after address change failing with timeout? They should not. Once again, address set is supported just by anything. Tried to contact the device at address 0 once again and there it was, still responding properly. The enlightenment came. The bus address for DMA transmissions was, as it is in many bare metal USB implementations, just the pure memory address of the buffer as seen by the ARM cpu. Have "prefixed" it with the real location of uncached RAM and booted AROS once again. Trident saw this: Product : Hub: Vdr=0424/PID=9514 Manufacturer: Standard Microsystems Corp. SerialNumber: n/a /Users/michal/git/AROS/rom/USB/poseidon/./poseidon.library.c:psd_20_psdEnumerateDevice/3092: USBVersion: 0200 Class : 9 SubClass : 0 DevProto : 2 VendorID : 1060 ProductID : 38164 DevVers : 0200 and this: Product : Vendor: Vdr=0424/PID=EC00 Manufacturer: Standard Microsystems Corp. SerialNumber: n/a /Users/michal/git/AROS/rom/USB/poseidon/./poseidon.library.c:psd_20_psdEnumerateDevice/3092: USBVersion: 0200 Class : 255 SubClass : 0 DevProto : 1 VendorID : 1060 ProductID : 60416 DevVers : 0200 and even this: Product : Hub: Vdr=0424/PID=9514 Manufacturer: Standard Microsystems Corp. SerialNumber: n/a /Users/michal/git/AROS/rom/USB/poseidon/./poseidon.library.c:psd_20_psdEnumerateDevice/3092: USBVersion: 0200 Class : 9 SubClass : 0 DevProto : 2 VendorID : 1060 ProductID : 38164 DevVers : 0200 What are these things? The first one is USB hub built in the Raspberry. Thanks to this one the Pi machines (with exception of Pi0 and computing modules) have more than just one single USB port. The second one is the network chip in raspberry, the third one is my USB SD card reader which have just connected to see what happens. AROS tried, of course, to boot from it ;) So, the first step towards working USB is done. The control transfers are working as you can see above. Next step is to implement bulk and interrupt transfers, having the basics in place. Finally some error handling will be added and USB for Pi will be as complete as the PC version. [http://www.raspyfi.com/raspberry-pi-usb-audio-fix/ Issue with USB Audio] Audio The Pi 4B is the only Pi that can output HD Audio as an HD Audio passthrough bitstream, and it does it over HDMI. It's possible to use the two HDMI output for separate HDMI video and HDMI audio outputs to allow UHD HDR video and HD Audio with non-UHD HDR compatible AVRs. The Pi3B+ and earlier will decode to PCM 5.1/7.1 and output over HDMI. HDMI is the only interconnect that has a standard for carrying Dolby True HD, DTS HD MA etc. as a bitstream - you can't carry it as a bitstream on any other interface. Pi3 and Pi4 audio jack output derived from 12bit pulse width modulation is relatively poor. For better, choose USB Audio or I2C versions. [https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/tree/rpi-patches/sound/arm audio] and its [https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/issues/2 very high speed message passing interface type of thing VCHI] The Model B+ added an additional voltage regulator for the audio output and an additional output driver to drive low-resistance loads like headphones. However it is still using pulse-width modulation (PWM), which has a major impact on sound quality the old Raspberry Pi used a linear voltage regulator to provide the 3.3V to many of the components on the board while the new one uses a switching regulator. Both can perform reasonably well. However switch mode power supplies often show higher noise figures Analogue audio Audio over HDMI rev 1.3 & 1.4 Ethernet 10/100 BaseT Ethernet RJ45 socket GPIO GPIO shouldn't be too bad but bear in mind it is already accessed in places so they would need to allocate pins etc through it (e.g. sdcard to flicker the activity light, serial debug to output data on the GPIO pins) Probably a resource rather than a device... Started an i2c driver that will need to allocate GPIO pins. Feel free to work on it if you are interested ;p GPU graphics with 2D and 3D acceleration Sadly none yet for 32bit but for 64bit... Miscellanous hdmi issues Setting the hdmi_force_hotplug=1 makes sure the Pi believes the monitor/TV is really there. You might also need to set config_hdmi_boost=4 or even higher (up to 9) if your display needs a stronger signal. If the display is a computer monitor or newer tv, use hdmi_group=1 (auto HDMI use) and if it is an older TV, try hdmi_group=2 (for DMT formats, i.e. for PC monitors) then you HAVE to "set hdmi_drive = 2 to enable HDMI output as this forces HDMI mode rather than DVI mode Do not set hdmi_safe=1 as that overrides many of the previous options. Using a shorter or better quality HDMI cable might help. Make sure your Pi's power supply delivers 1 A and not 500 mA. If you see a problem with the red colour - either absent, or interference - then try a boost composite video changing the RCA cable, then the composite port worked out of the box Boot it as you are doing, without HDMI. If you now plug in the HDMI, do you get the image? In other words, does the Pi think HDMI is connected even when it isn't? Rename all the files in the first partion of the card except bootcode.bin, start.elf and fixup.dat What's the result? Put back config.txt What's the result? for PAL mode sdtv_mode=2 dmi_ignore_hotplug Pretends HDMI hotplug signal is not asserted so it appears a HDMI display is not attached hdmi_ignore_hotplug=1 Use composite mode even if HDMI monitor is detected <pre> # NOOBS Auto-generated Settings: #hdmi_force_hotplug=1 #config_hdmi_boost=4 #overscan_left=24 #overscan_right=24 #overscan_top=16 #overscan_bottom=16 #disable_overscan=0 start_x=1 gpu_mem=128 </pre> tvservice -c "PAL 4:3" <pre> /opt/vc/bin/tvservice -s or tvservice -s state: HPD high|HDMI mode|HDCP off|composite off (0x12001a), 1920x1080 @ 60 Hz, progressive /opt/vc/bin/tvservice -m CEA Group CEA has 1 modes: (native) mode 16: 1920x1080 @ 60 Hz, progressive /opt/vc/bin/tvservice -m DMT Group DMT has 0 modes: </pre> sudo amixer cset numid=3 1 forces the audio to the headphone jack, even with the HDMI video output plugged in config.txt the hdmi_ignore_edid_audio=1 option sems relevant as it should tell ALSA that the only available audio is analog, no matter what the display says There are several different ways that these 4 pole (ring) composite analog cables can be wired up, so some work great in some applications and can be a waste of time in others. What is needed for the Raspberry Pi B+ and above, which like many camcorders needs the ring contact next to the base contact to be the ground. The wiring for the 4 pole are: TIP (LEFT AUDIO CHANNEL) RING 1 (RIGHT AUDIO CHANNEL) RING 2 (GROUND/EARTH) RING 3 BASE/SLEEVE (VIDEO) YELLOW Most Apple based Players and the Microsoft Zune (TM) are wired this way. Most analogue camcorders are wired this way as well, where the ground in on Ring 2 will work with the Pi although you may need to swap your Video plug with the Right Audio plug. Nearly all other MP3 players are not wired this way, the ground is on another ring ie the wrong one. External devices * Camera Module Omnivision ov5647 Sunny 5MP (NoIR version) V1.3 - NoIR at 850&nbsp;nm, peak at 880&nbsp;nm and trails off at 940&nbsp;nm wavelengths * Camera V2 Sony IMX219 V2.1 8mpixel 8MP 8megapixel - 3280 x 2464 pixels - video at 1080p30, 720p60 and 640x480p90 - wider field of view, 62 vs 54 degrees horizontally - * Branded WIFI usb BCM43143 dongle N.B. dreaded error after changing cameras (stupidly without turning off the power first) and lasted through several power cycles. It can be a bad 15-pin FFC ribbon cable, when swapped, camera(s) and the Pi itself are working OK. It can be an instance of a cold solder joint on the CSI connector on the pi board. the camera can be detected (that's done via I2C) but may still not be able to receive image data (done via CSI-2) if something is broken. CSI-2 is uni-directional. Control is generally done via I2C. The CSI-2 receiver always writes to memory, not direct to the ISP. That's the way the Broadcom architecture works as it allows multipass processing easily. GPU memory is accessible from the ARM. Processing using the QPU graphics processors may be possible. currently the only supported sensor is OV5647 and IMX219. The linux drivers are all in the firmware blob, else you'd be looking at at least a man-month of work in a fully fledged imaging lab to do a decent tuning of the camera modules' ISP parameters. Static electricity maybe an issue for the camera module and slightly less for the pi board. == References == ===Good sites to visit=== *[https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/master/ Raspberry Pi Firmware build] *[https://www.raspberrypi.com/documentation/computers/software-sources.html Documentation] *[https://rpilocator.com/ RPiLocator] Linux only *[https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux Raspberry Pi Linux Build] *[https://dietpi.com/ DietPi] *[http://www.tinycorelinux.net/ports.html piCore] *[https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi Alpine Linux] *[https://github.com/armbian/build Armbian] *[ FydeOS] *[ TwisterOS based on ChromiumOS] *[https://note.com/jamesmondo/n/nc76e31402be8?hl=en BSD] *[https://www.raspberrypi.com/software/operating-systems/ PiOS Lite] and then [https://hstwb.firstrealize.com/ HST] *[ PiMiga for pi4 and pi5] *[ amibian for pi2 and pi3] *[ retropie pi1 and 2] Other alternative lighter smaller than Pi OS *[https://aros.sourceforge.io/nightly1.html Aros 64bit ARMV8 single core] *[https://www.riscosopen.org/wiki/documentation/show/Welcome%20to%20RISC%20OS%20Pi RiscOS on Pi3 and Pi4] *[https://github.com/michalsc/Emu68 ARM based realtime JIT 68k for amiga computers] *[https://github.com/JJDSNT/bellatrix/releases/ Alternative use of Emu68 on Pi3b] *[https://github.com/stevereaver/uaos uaOS with Emu68k] *[https://github.com/aros-development-team/AROS/commit/f80a268607dfae81b2db94755ab4e4d31ccb72d6 m68kemu library reference] *[ HaikuOS] *[https://github.com/raspberrypi/noobs NOOBS] os loader with successor [https://github.com/procount/pinn PINN] *[https://github.com/maxnet/berryboot berryboot] *[https://github.com/brianwiddas/pi-baremetal Bare Metal Access on Pi 32bit] Testing procedure is put sd card in, connect board to board if necessary, plug in hdmi and then power nothing else is done especially CSI DSI etc [https://www.raspberrypi.com/documentation/computers/compute-module.html CM5] has the same 55mm x 40mm 2x100pin connectors form factor as the CM4 but [https://www.epdtonthenet.net/article/214508/Key-Considerations-When-Migrating-from-Raspberry-Pi-CM4-to-CM5.aspx some pins and other small things] have changed. Will need the [https://raspipcb.com/tech-blog/raspberry-pi-cm4-vs-cm5-difference-in-booting-from-sd-card/ right IO board to suit] *Green [ Raspberry Pi Compute Module 5 IO Board REV2 [https://pip.raspberrypi.com/categories/1097-raspberry-pi-compute-module-5-io-board SC1967]] - untested *Green [ RPi Compute Module 5 IO board REV1 [https://pip.raspberrypi.com/categories/1097-raspberry-pi-compute-module-5-io-board SC1751]] - untested *Black SupTronics Geekbord X1500 CM5 IO Carrier Board - untested *Black DeskPi Super6C Cluster Mini-ITX Board - untested *[https://sipeed.com/nanocluster Sipeed NanoCluster] - untested up to 7 CM5 *Green BentoIO CMX0 - untested *Box EDATec ED-CLAWBOX - untested *Home Assistant Yellow - Kit with PoE with Raspberry Pi Compute Module 5 - untested *Blue [https://www.waveshare.com/wiki/CM5_PoE_BASE_A Waveshare CM5-PoE-BASE-A] - untested *Box Waveshare [ CM5-POE-BOX-A] - untested *Blue [https://www.waveshare.com/wiki/CM5-IO-BASE-B Waveshare CM5-IO-BASE-B] - untested *Blue [https://www.waveshare.com/wiki/CM5-IO-BASE-A Waveshare CM5-IO-BASE-A] - untested *Blue Waveshare [https://www.waveshare.com/wiki/CM5-NANO-B CM5-NANO-B] - untested *[https://carboncomputers.us/products/pi-flux piFlux] *[https://carboncomputers.us/products/ Zitaotech Hackberry] CM5 lite only - *Portable [https://www.waveshare.com/pocketterm35.htm Waveshare PocketTerm35] with Pi4B or Pi5 - untested *Box [https://www.clockworkpi.com/uconsole ClockworkPi uConsole][https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtI_bAahbR8 CM4 into an adapter or CM3 into so-dimm - Cyberdeck] - untested *Green RPi [https://datasheets.raspberrypi.com/cm4io/CM4IO-KiCAD.zip Compute Module 4] [https://datasheets.raspberrypi.com/cm4io/cm4io-datasheet.pdf IO board] V1.4 [https://datasheets.raspberrypi.com/cm4io/CM4IOUSB3-KiCAD.zip USB3] [https://datasheets.raspberrypi.com/cm4io/cm4iousb3-appnote.pdf CM4ISO] [https://datasheets.raspberrypi.com/cm4/cm4-datasheet.pdf Dual100pin] (2020) aka Development Platform Board - untested *Purple Pi Hut Cytron CM4 Maker Board - untested *Black DeskPi Super6C Cluster Mini-ITX Board - untested *[ KubeSail PiBox mini 2] *Home Assistant Yellow with Raspberry Pi Compute Module 4 - untested *[ Turing Pi V2] - untested CM4 with 260-pin SO-DIMM socket adapters and/or nvidia jetson nanos - untested *Blue [https://www.waveshare.com/wiki/CM4-IO-BASE-C Waveshare CM4-IO-BASE-C] - untested but binary blobs Rev01 Rev02 *Blue [https://www.waveshare.com/wiki/CM4-IO-BASE-B Waveshare CM4-IO-BASE-B] - untested but binary blobs *Blue [https://www.waveshare.com/wiki/CM4-IO-BASE-A Waveshare CM4-IO-BASE-A] - untested but binary blobs *Blue [https://www.waveshare.com/wiki/CM4-NANO-B Waveshare CM4-NANO] - untested but usb and audio turned off or rerouted CM3 has a 200 pin sodimm ddr2 connector form factor but not electrically SC0028, SC0029 *Blue [https://wiki.geekworm.com/CM_IO_Board Geekworm RPi Compute Module IO Board] [https://github.com/geekworm-com/cm-io-board CSI DSI] with CM3 in ddr2 slot underside - '''works''' if SW1 on but CM3+ '''does not''' *Green [https://cdn-shop.adafruit.com/product-files/3442/CMIO_schematic.pdf RPi V3 IO board CM3IO] and CM3 Lite - untested *Green [https://turingpi.com/ turingpi v1 cluster] - untested up to 7 cm3 7xlan9514 12V discontinued, 3 x Pi4 homelab maybe better *Blue [https://www.waveshare.com/wiki/Compute_Module_PoE_Board Waveshare Compute Module PoE Board] and CM3 lite (if not lite, write files to internal eMMC fat32) '''AVOID''' bin blobs *Blue [https://www.waveshare.com/compute-module-io-board-plus.htm Waveshare Compute Module IO Board Plus] [https://www.waveshare.com/wiki/Compute_Module_IO_Board_Plus wiki] [https://forums.raspberrypi.com/viewtopic.php?t=235695 pin settings] with CM3+ Lite - '''AVOID''' binary blob *[ Pi02w on Geekworm SupTronics X305 Raspberry Pi Zero IO Baseboard] - untested *[ Spotpear Pi Zero 2w to Pi3b format-ish] - untested *[ pi-top v4] box has 128x64 oled display, micro hdmi, 19Whr battery with pi4 and 15V PD 36W min needed *[ pi-top v3] three green pieces, heatsink covers most of the base tray, pi-top hub mk1 lhs and Pi1B Pi2b Pi3b rhs secured from below, black rounded strip with pi-top above keyboard, 13.3" HD 1366 x 768 display, small touchpad, *[ pi-top Model 2.0] pi-top on bottom bezel of 14-inch green laptop, large trackpad, keyboard slide down to reveal main system hub on slide rails moved to the right, Raspberry Pi3b screws down, hub slides in, 18V 2.5A 45W charger brick, battery 11.1V 3500mAh 38.85Wh and storage PiTopOS *[ Pi-Top CEED Raspberry Pi Modular Educational Desktop with RPI3] monitor *[https://www.indiegogo.com/en/projects/jesselozano/pi-top-a-raspberry-pi-laptop-you-build-yourself Pi-Top v1] wedge laptop with RPi2 <pre> 2008 Trustees collected for Foundation 2009 Pi Foundation charity status gained 2010 2011 First Raspberry prototypes 2012 First boards go on sale at CPC and RS. The Model A and B 700 MHz Arm11 - February 29th BCM 2835 2012 First million sold - more than the 10,000 original planned and anticipated 2013 First Alpha Experimental builds of AROS Native for the 32bit Pi 2013 Pi Trading launched making grants available, providing in house educational resources and Pi Academy for teacher training 2013 Over two million sold 2014 Over three million sold 2014 Pi 1 Model B+ introduced that moved composite video to audio jack and same half gig of memory 2014 Pi Model A+ v1.1 no ethernet and 1 usb - a little smaller - 2015 Over four million first gen pis sold 2015 Pi Zero 1.2 BCM2835 first production revision released with no camera port 2016 Pi0 1.3 released with camera csi connector 2017 Pi Zero W v1.1 1GHz Pi0W, single-core 32bit CPU BCM2835 released with Cypress CYW43438 wireless 2020 Raspberry Pi Pico SC0919 with RP2040 32-bit 2Core ARM Cortex-M0+ up to 133 MHz - 264KB of SRAM and 2MB of on-board QSPI Flash - 2024 Raspberry Pi Pico 2 with RP2350 2Core 32bit Arm Cortex-M33 and 2core open-hardware [https://github.com/wren6991/hazard3 Hazard3 RISC-V] 2015 Pi 2 Model B v1.1 BCM2836 900/600 MHz ARM Cortex-A7 Armv7 quad 32bit, 32bit VideoCore IV GPU - 1Gb RAM - 5V 2A micro usb - SMSC LAN9514 chip - 2015 Over a million pi2s sold 2015 Raspberry Pi 2 Model B version 1.2 Pi2bv1.2, aka Pi2B2 has armv8 BCM2837 underclocked to 900Mhz without wifi/bluetooth module 2016 Pi 3 Model B - Broadcom BCM2837 SOC four 64bit ARMv8 Cortex-A53 1.2GHz 32bit 1080p VideoCore IV GPU - 1Gb DDR2 - bluetooth 4.1, Cypress CYW43438 wireless 802.11n - 4 x USB2.0 ports - 5.1V 2.5A - SMSC LAN9514 chip 2016 PIs total over 10 million worldwide 2017 Compute Module 3 CM3 with BCM2837B0 armv8 Quad 64-bit - small 67.6mm x 31mm board which fits DDR2 SODIMM connector but not electrically compatible which plugs into needed IO board - beware of the I2C protocol issue 1Gb LPDDR2 RAM - Lite or 4Gb Emmc storage 2017 12 million pis sold in total 2018 Pi 3 Model B+ - 4c A53 BCM2837B0 1.4Ghz - 1Gb, wireless 802.11ac, gigabit ethernet (300Mbit/s) and bluetooth 4.2 - power over ethernet - 4 x USB2.0 ports - Microchip LAN7515 chip 2019 Over 15 million sold 2019 Pi 3 Model A+ with BCM2837b0 Cortex-A53 64-bit SoC @ 1.4 GHz with 512Mb LPDDR2, 1 usb2, 1 hdmi, 1 micro usb 5V 2A - no ethernet - 2019 Raspberry Pi Compute Module 3+ CM3+ - Broadcom BCM2837B0 1.2Ghz, Cortex-A53 (ARMv8) 64-bit SoC on DDR2 SODIMM mechanically compatible only factor - IO board required 1Gb DDR2 and 8GB, 16GB, 32GB or a Lite variant without eMMC 2021 Pi zero 2 (w or no W) RP3A0 quad 1GHz Cortex-A53 64bit BCM2710A1 512mB SDRam 2025 edaTEC CM0 ED-CM0NANA with additional dev board with quad 1Ghz A53 with 512Mb Raysan RAM, 2 USB2 and 10/100 ethernet - pico castellated edge 2019 Pi 4 Model B RPI4B - BCM2711B0T quad 64bit A72 1.5GHz, 4K VideoCore VI, AC wifi, Bluetooth 5.0, GbE Broadcom BCM54213PE (PHY ID 0x600d84a2), 2 micro hdmi decode up to 4K, USB-C 5.1V 3A power, 2xVLI VL805 USB 3, 2xUSB 2.0, 2GB 9LDWW D9WHZ or 4GB 9FDWW D9WHV, 8GB 0AA47 D9ZCL ddr4 ram 2020 Silent Pi 4 v1.2 upgrade with more USB-c psu support 2020 PI400 BCM2711C0T 1.8GHz 4Gb DDR4 inside keyboard, 5.1V 5A 27W usb-c psu, 2 micro hdmi, external ide style 40pin gpio, no audio port - 2020 Raspberry Pi Compute Module 4 BCM2711B0T on new 55mm x 40mm 2x100 pin form factor with extra breakout IO board CM4101000 1Gb RAM Lite SOM CM4102000 2GB RAM Lite CM4104000 4GB RAM Lite CM4004008-4GB-RAM 8GB-EMMC SOM System on Modules CM4104032 4GB RAM 32GB emmc CM4108000 8GB RAM Lite CM4008016 8GB RAM 16Gb eMMc 2021 Raspberry Pi SC0763 Compute Module 4S CM4S with ddr2 sodimm pinouts but not electrically the same with suitable IO board extra cost - CM4S01000 1GB RAM Lite CM4S01008 1GB RAM 8GB eMMC Flash CM4S02000 2GB RAM Lite CM4S04000 4GB RAM Lite CM4S08000 8GB RAM Lite 2021 Pi 4 v1.4 BCM2711B1 upgraded power regulator, to deal with 8gig of ram being more power hungry - 2021-48 Raspberry Pi 4 model B v1.5 2GB 2023 Pi 5 v1.0 BCM2712 Quad A76 @2.4Ghz - VideoCore VII - no audio socket - dual 4k from mini hdmi - fan connector - 5.1V 5A psu 2024 Pi 5 2GB DDR4 version uses BCM2712D0 2024 Pi-500 with 8Gb LPDDR5 and membrane keyboard 2024 Pi 5 v1.1 2024 Raspberry Pi Compute Module 5 CM5 BCM2712 55mm x 40mm form factor with additional IO board CM5004000 04GB RAM 0GB eMMC Lite CM5008000 08GB RAM 0GB eMMC Lite CM5016000 16GB RAM 0GB eMMC Lite 2025 Pi-500+ with 256GB NVMe storage, 16GB LPDDR4 RAM, and Gateron KS-33 Low Profile Blue mechanical keyboard switches 2025 Pi5 1GB DDR4 announced 2022 PiOS linux goes 64bit 2024 Pi Trading IPO stockmarket stock exchange listing 2026 April and May Aros 64bit fixed, added AHI audio, VC4 gfx started, usb functions added to rom 2026 June and July Aros 64bit usb2otg started, dma.resource, sdio.resource, bwfm.device wifi added 2026 Late July daily 64bit Pi3 LE little endian builds start 2026 August Pi 4, 400, 5 and 500 DTBs added, expanding existing support and wifi for Pi4 and Pi5 2026 August Pi5 HAT+ nvme and HDMI, AHI RPiI2S added, Pi4 HVS5 video scaler started, 2026 2027 2028 Pi 6 </pre> ==Future== [https://github.com/ARMSX2/ARMSX2 Arm pi of pcsx2] {{BookCat}} cm52l5u8bpee5ff4l3tfyc8kp6on3oh 4671629 4671628 2026-09-21T16:39:48Z Jeff1138 301139 4671629 wikitext text/x-wiki {{ArosNav}} [[#Native]] [[#Hosted]] [[#Build]] [[#Hardware]] [[#References]] [[#Future]] ==Introduction== [[File:Scalos00.png|thumb|Scalos on Aros Pi3b]] Aros aims to cover Pi 3 to 5 1Gb+ RAM ideally as you may have to switch to 256Mb gfx mode depending on the application running Options to boot from using a good power source to prevent the yellow lightning symbol. *With Pi3b+ the max you can get is 5.1V 2.5A with micro usb. *With Pi4 5.1V 3A with usb-c *With Pi5 5.1V 5A, the amps went ever upwards, even to 5.1V 9A with usb-c Pi500+ keyboard wedge - Pi400 RPI-400 keyboard wedge - resolution changing and audio from micro hdmi0 (near 40pin) and micro hdmi1 (near usb-c psu) - Fn F10 0x5e power on and off works or held down for over 7 seconds auto shutdown - keyboard ok - wifi and lan ethernet testing - * Pi 5 - Quad A76 64bit ARMv8 and RP1 "southbridge" with VideoCore 7 Pre-D0 (Rev1.0) or D0 (rev1.1) * Pi 4 - Quad A72 64bit ARMv8 with VideoCore 6 * Pi 3 - Quad A53 [https://www.raspberrypi.com/documentation/computers/processors.html 64 bit] ARMv8 with VideoCore 4 with heatsink/fan on 3b to prevent cpu 82C+ throttling * Pi 2 - Quad 32bit ARMv6 with VideoCore 4 - mostly not 64bit compatible * Pi Model B+ 32bit ARMv6 with VideoCore 4 - not 64bit compatible * Pi Model A and B 32bit ARMv6 with VideoCore 4 - not 64bit compatible ===Native=== * 2013-03 Kalamatee starts work * 2015-04 Work continues with mschulz on the kernel and Kalamatee (NicJA) on gpio and usb * 2018 [https://www.patreon.com/posts/i-owe-you-some-20956961 mschulz resume adding BE big endian support], [https://www.patreon.com/michal_schulz/posts Big endian on Pi] * 2026 [https://github.com/aros-development-team/AROS/commits?author=bsek latest commits for pi 3b, 4 and 5 64bit] * 2026 [https://github.com/aros-development-team/AROS/commits?author=metaneutrons latest commits for Pi5] * 2026 [https://github.com/aros-development-team/AROS/commits?author=bitplane latest commits for ARM] '''Download''' [https://aros.sourceforge.io/nightly1.html RaspberryPi 3, 3+, 4 and 5 64bit ArmV8 builds] [https://sourceforge.net/projects/aros/files/ Alternative site and nightly2] both raspi-aarch64-system and raspi-aarch64-contrib can be unbz2'd and copied to fat32 8GB+ microSD card (there will be folders - boot c Classes Demos Developer Devs Extras etc only showing). The SD can be plugged in to the Pi 64bit build works well on a single core LE little endian. Multicore [https://github.com/aros-development-team/AROS/commit/1df0747c2bda3523a43029725a709b1f377d84ec may follow]. Any issues booting could be down to the SD card so please use another SD to see if it is resolved. Please report your experiences in the [https://www.arosworld.org/infusions/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=2019&rowstart=80 Aros Raspberry pi 3 64bit thread] and on the [https://forums.raspberrypi.com/viewtopic.php?p=2387984#p2387984 Raspberry Pi forum thread]. Any bugs or issues can be [https://github.com/aros-development-team/AROS/issues described here to fix] Boots with '''USB3''' port based sata3 ssd on Pi400 but untested on Pi4 (may need eeprom update from PiOS or Pi SD Imager) and Pi5 Pi 3 B+ is pre-configured for USB sata3 boot - untested Pi 3 B may need [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubnwvxF3Klc PiOS to set OTP to boot from usb - do so at your own risk] - if OTP set to usb, boot works but slower than SD card Speed write wise (top faster) <pre> *NVME Pi5 untested >1000MB/sec or faster if matched correctly *Sata3 ssd 500MB/sec *SD V90 90MB/sec 4K maybe 8K *SD V60 60MB/sec 1080p *SD U3 V30 30MB/sec 720p *SD C10 U1 V10 A1 A2 10MB/sec minimum should be used now *SD C06 6MB/sec *SD C04 4MB/sec </pre> As a homage to the past, Aros shows a reduced number of icons but this can be changed by left mouse click in the window and then right click down to Window -> View -> All files Windows can be manipulated by the top (moving) and the bottom right corner (resizing) only. Zune like MUI gui interface, has a unique quirk in that after changing a setting in a text box, you may sometimes need to press Enter/Return before clicking OK, Save, etc Like most amiga like OSs the audio and networking need to be setup manually Audio AHI prefs - Mode settings tab - needs both Music unit and Unit 0 set to RPiHDMI:16 bit stereo++ or RPiPWM:16 bit stereo++ at 44100Hz. Press '''Save or Use''' button after each choice Double left mouse click on most picture (Developer/Debug/Tests/Datatypes), audio and video files are supported, via datatypes, by the multiview application. Esc escape key usually closes open windows even the desktop In Prefs/Appearance some decorative theming elements need work. There is a few Mason icons in /Prefs/Presets/Icons/Mason/ and the ever present default Gorilla - Icon exchange in works For more intensive graphics applications, you may need to edit config.txt in the root folder and change 128M to 256M to adjust more memory to graphics usage If your cursor should '''appear''' to vanish, fear not it is still there. Please head to the top of the screen, hold down the left click mouse and drag the screen down a little and it will appear again. [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=network/browser amelinium web browser] is available with an [https://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=122494&page=51 eab thread] reminiscent of [https://github.com/zapek/Voyager Voyager] and to a lesser extent [https://github.com/amigazen/aweb3/ Aweb] as javascript websites can be slow to load and nothing from youtube, facebook, reddit etc. Press Cancel at screenmode selector or -wb argument to get windowed version. You may have to delete the cache (in same folder) to fully retest newer versions. You could use the Shift + Del shortcut or mouse wheel should work to delete all text at once. To view wikibooks set Agent to Android (telefon) or iPhone setting in menus. [https://Html5test.com Html5test] gives 189 out of 555. For wireless, please use the Wifi prefs and already selected device bwfm.device. Press Scan and double right click on the router and enter password. You may need to setup after every reboot. Another thing to try, press cancel and go to Network Prefs, Wireless Networks tab and highlight the router line and hit the remove button and press the cancel button. Retry with Wifi prefs again. Sometimes Disconnect and try Connect. For lan ethernet port, please use Network prefs and the following hardware is *lan9514 Pi3b Pi2 no support at the moment *lan7515 Pi3b+ type into Device usblan78xx.device as net0: remove other device(s) *bcmgenet Pi4 Pi400 choose for Device bcmgenet.device (network prefs still forgets random information when rebooted) Summary *3b ethernet not supported, usb ethernet not working but wifi prefs setup works *3b+ wifi working but ethernet untested *4 untested *400 wifi and ethernet untested There is normally no Bluetooth support for most amiga like OSs but Aros has one [https://github.com/aros-development-team/AROS/commit/6942cbfbf66426d21963a7fcd8aba6aff611a9e0 work in progress] [https://forums.raspberrypi.com/viewtopic.php?t=338466 firmware] *Bluetooth 4.1 BCM43430A1.hcd Pi3B, Pi3A, Zero 2W *Bluetooth 4.2 BCM4345C0.hcd Pi3B+, Pi4 *Bluetooth 5.0 BCM4345C5.hcd Pi4B rev, CM4 and maybe Pi5 and CM5 *bthid keyboard mouse support *btserial serial *btpan short range wireless connecting devices Only the Pi5 has a RTC real time clock, the other Pis will need to use Extras:Networking/utils/ntpsync/ or [https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=network PiNTP -s goodtime.ijs.si or ntp1.ptb.de] to get the date and time from the internet. It helps to have all usb devices already plugged in before power on to detect at the moment. Even then some usb devices will freeze the mouse cursor and the only resolution is to remove the offending usb device and reinsert. Sometimes, the reinsert leads to the mouse cursor vanishing, it is still there and responds to left mouse clicks, top of the screen and pull down the screen. USB classes support from Prefs/Trident is still work in process *usbaudio working on usb3 port (blue) on pi4, 400 but not working (no rt isochronous) on usb2otg (white or black) for pi3b, zero 2w *[https://aminet.net/package/mus/midi/camd camdusbmidi] detects midi devices without a preferences file (Prefs/Env-Archive/sys/midi.prefs) as [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBxHkwy4Nrw auto setup now] possibly with [https://github.com/metaneutrons/mt32-pi metaneutrons mt32-pi] [https://github.com/rtzor/mt32-pi mt32-pi fork] [https://github.com/ahmadexp/mt32-pi fork] [https://github.com/gmcn42/mt32-pi-control control of] [https://github.com/dwhinham/mt32-pi mt32-pi pi3+], [https://homspace.nl/samplerbox/ SamplerBox] or [] as well as need developer gcc tools to look at 64bit ports of [https://archives.arosworld.org/?function=showfile&file=driver/audio/usbmidi.i386-aros.lha usbmidi], [https://aminet.net/package/mus/midi/CAMD_Toolkit CAMD_Toolkit], [https://aminet.net/package/mus/midi/camdtools camdtools], [https://github.com/cnvogelg/amiditools amiditools], [https://github.com/timoinutilis/midi-sequencer-amigaos horny src], [https://aminet.net/package/mus/midi/horny-base horny-base], [http://bnp.hansfaust.de/index.html BnP], [], Regarding 680x0 emulation, there are several options that could be considered *[https://github.com/aros-development-team/AROS/blob/6722a0ae9e03fe5d26e32703360bd2059e0864cc/rom/m68kemu/README.md?plain=1#L424 m68kemu.library] for some Amiga productivity where the cpu is emulated and the system calls are redirected to Aros ones *[https://github.com/BlitterStudio/amiberry amiberry] (winuae) for everything else like games *[https://github.com/jonx/AROS/tree/aarch64-darwin-graft/arch/all-darwin/libs/emu68k emu68k] *[https://scriptedamigaemulator.net/ Scripted Amiga] with [https://github.com/naTmeg/ScriptedAmigaEmulator ScriptedAmigaEmulator] or older [https://github.com/gbraad-amiga/ScriptedAmigaEmulator2 ScriptedAmigaEmulator2] [https://pinout.xyz/ GPIO 40 pins] [https://learn.sparkfun.com/tutorials/raspberry-gpio/gpio-pinout pinout] Some exceptions: *Physical pins 27, 28 (GPIO0, 1) are an internal I2C bus and should not be used *The other I2C on pins 3, 5 (GPIO 2, 3) can be used generally, but be aware they have permanent pull-up resistors to 3.3V *For MIDI use USB but there are dedicated UART pins 8, 10 (GPIO 14, 15). With a HAT it's more awkward -- you need to know which pins are used by the HAT and avoid them. Hopefully this will be documented. Remember all GPIOs are 3.3V (not 5V tolerant), floating/noisy inputs can cause odd behavior, and that shorting the power supplies can cause instant death of the Pi. In the shell GPIO PIN/A/N,SET/N,GET/S,MODE/K,PULL/K Controls and queries hardware GPIO pins via gpio.resource which is stored in the rom or Devs/ '''please test''' *PIN -- (Required) Target GPIO pin number (e.g. 12). *SET -- Set pin output value to 0 (LOW) or 1 (HIGH). *GET -- Read and print current digital input level (0 or 1). *MODE -- Configure pin mode: IN (Input), OUT (Output), ALT (Alternate). *PULL -- Configure pull resistor: NONE, UP, DOWN. EXAMPLES <pre> GPIO 12 MODE OUT GPIO 12 SET 1 GPIO 12 GET GPIO 13 PULL UP </pre> [https://gpiozero.readthedocs.io/en/stable/installing.html Current] [https://gpiozero.readthedocs.io/en/v1.2.0/api_boards.html old support for gpiozero is unknown at present] [https://energenie4u.co.uk/res/pdfs/ENER314%20UM.pdf and associated 433MHz equipment] [ USA X10 security and lights via USB] [ OpenHab with Shelly Smart Plug connected over Wi-Fi, controlled by MQTT or HTTP] Printing only with Postscript but [https://github.com/bohunamiga/MintPRINT one] of [https://github.com/boingball/MintPRINT two] [https://github.com/Andiweli/AmiAirPrint/tree/main AirPrint] IPP has been attempted with [https://www.arosworld.org/infusions/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=2061&pid=13954#post_13954 discussion] Youtube [], [], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4fmWAIv7FE Aros native on Pi3b], [], [], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSxlYb1eQWU Installed on Pi3b+], [], [], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFF1H3jCoz8 testing Aros native on Pi400], [], [], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIVx7mh1E1Q&pp=ygUHYXJvcyBwadIHCQkTDAGHKiGM7w%3D%3D Aros on Thumb 2 based 32bit-ish ARM STM32H743 board], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQM4CD64xDE&t=612s&pp=ugUEEgJlbg%3D%3D Performance under Linux] but on Aros... {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Pi ! width="10%" |Single Core 2D ! width="10%" |Single Core 3D ! width="10%" |Single Core 3D ! width="10%" |SMP 2D ! width="10%" |SMP 3D ! width="10%" |SMP 3D ! width="35%" |Comments |- | <!--Pi-->Pi3 | <!--Single Core 2D--> | <!--Single Core 3D--> | <!--Single Core 3D--> | <!--SMP 2D--> | <!--SMP 3D--> | <!--SMP 3D--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} For the Pi1 Pi2 Pi2B the status of AROS native ARMv6 for 32bit RasPi was OK. System booting, USB working (although with some issues but plans to fix them). 32bit native [http://www.aros.org/nightly1.html ARMv6 32bit nightlys] raspi-armhf-system raspi-armhf-contrib unbz2'd to fat32 microSD ===Hosted=== AArch64 CPU backend for AROS, a Cocoa/Metal display, clipboard / host-volume / CoreAudio / BSD-sockets bridges, GPU 2D via gpufx.library, a 68k→AArch64 JIT (run68k), and a full Rust std port. On [https://www.jkn.me/blog/macaros-aros-on-apple-silicon/ latest Apple Silicon] [https://github.com/jonx/Macaros early buggy alpha version of hosted Aros .dmg on MacOS12+]. Please use [https://github.com/jonx/Macaros/issues MACAros github] for issues, features etc and possibly [https://www.arosworld.org/infusions/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=2030&pid=13910#post_13910 here] [http://www.aros.org/snapshots1.html old linux and android hosted 32bit] ==== Hosted ==== =====64bit===== [https://www.arosworld.org/infusions/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=2019&rowstart=80&pid=13667#post_13667 Ubuntu Linux PC hosted Pi compiler build] [https://github.com/BlitterStudio/aros-compiler-docker Docker based cross compiler for various Aros systems], =====32bit===== Ubuntu VM approach to compiling [http://lallafa.de/blog/2013/06/building-aros-hosted-for-raspbian/ Linux hosted AROS June 04, 2013] ../AROS/configure --target=linux-armhf --enable-includes=/usr/arm-linux-gnueabihf/include --x-includes=/usr/arm-linux-gnueabihf/include --x-libraries=/usr/arm-linux-gnueabihf/lib arm-elf- is symbol-linked to arm-linux-gnueabi- (arm-linux-gnueabi- is more correct in this case, because it's going to be compiling the ARM AROSBootstrap for ARM Linux) *armel - many of the "android" machines require since the entire OS is made for soft float VFP. *armfp - Efika MX target, Raspberry PI, EfikaMX, Pandora and virtually everything (VFP) Keep in mind it's possible to start hardfp AROS hosted on softfp system, though, as long as no calls between AROS and host require floating point parameters. NOTE: hardfloat objects *cannot* be linked with softfloat objects - they have a different ABI. Just keep in mind the arm nightly build machine is quite complex beast. It needs the x86_64 host compiler to compile AROS tools. The arm version is built every night using gcc-4.6.2 crosscompiler (built together with AROS) and successfully builds armel and armhf linux hosted targets. *needs an AROS code compiler for ARM target *as well as unix compiler for ARM linux host (would be best to have both softfp and armhf, we have softfp only now) with full set of libraries and includes. with—disable-crosstools $AROS_CC is always a wrapper around $KERNEL_CC ? If so, this is wrong for some ports. This can break Darwin, Windows and Android port. Yes, Android port will build. And even work. But it's not good because the port will not be ABI-compatible with other ARM ports. Android's ABI is different from GNUEABI. For example: <pre> enum test {foo, bar}; enum test testvar; </pre> sizeof(testvar) will be equal to sizeof(int) in GNUEABI (Linux and AROS) and sizeof(short) on Android. This affects linking objects from static linklibs, for example. Previously everything worked because $AROS_CC was a wrapper on top of $HOST_CC. And a real crosscompiler was used on non-ELF hosts. Android is the same. $KERNEL_CC is incompatible with AROS. compiler=kernel is appropriate _ONLY FOR CODE WHICH RUNS ON HOST OS_ (or barebone hardware, if we talk about native). This includes bootstraps, their linklibs, and host-side dynamic libraries (Windows makes extensive use of them because of architectural considerations. No single AROS object should be compiled with this setting. $KERNEL_CC is really compatible with AROS *ONLY IN LINUX-HOSTED* and no more. On other systems (Darwin, Windows, Android) this is not true any more, and compiler=kernel is never going to work. If you want to compile your AROS module against host OS includes, append the following to USER_INCLUDES (or USER_CFLAGS, this is effectively the same): -isystem $(GENINCDIR) $(KERNEL_INCLUDES) $(KERNEL_INCLUDES) expands to: -isystem <your_os_includes> -isystem <host_OS_gcc_private_includes> -nostdinc This makes AROS compiler adhering to host OS APIs. If you want some preprocessor symbols based on what your host OS actually is, add something like -DHOST_OS_$(AROS_HOST_ARCH). Why is there $(GENINCDIR) at all? Because host OS has its own libc includes, which would conflict with AROS ones. And the host OS libc is not binary-compatible with AROS one. Why doesn't Windows-hosted port use $(KERNEL_INCLUDES) ? Because WinAPI includes conflict with AROS ones in fundamental typedefs, like WORD, BYTE and BOOL. It's almost impossible to deal with this in any other way than rewriting WinAPI definitions using AROS types. Building under centos 6.3 (i386) currently, and AROS creates the toolchain itself. haven't yet committed the necessary changes but "./configure --target=raspi-armhf" is enough to start, then "make arosboot-raspi" will generate arosraspi.img (containing the bootstrap, kernel.resource, and exec.library) as well as arosraspi.rom (containing all the other essentials components such as dos, graphics etc). It will also copy over a config.txt file to make the raspi bootstrap code load the correct kernel, and a cmdline.txt that enables exec debug output. *armel = typically Debian 6, Ubuntu Maverick, Android, *armhf = typically Debian 7, Debian 8, Ubuntu Precise, Cross-compiling Ubuntu ARM softfp <pre> sudo sh echo 'foreign-architecture armel' >>/etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/multiarch echo 'deb [arch=armel] http://ports.ubuntu.com/ precise main universe' >/etc/apt/sources.list.d/armel.list apt-get update apt-get install gcc-arm-linux-gnueabi libx11-dev:armel libsdl-dev:armel </pre> <pre> ./configure --target=linux-arm --x-includes=/usr/include \ --enable-includes=/usr/arm-linux-gnueabi/include </pre> Cross-compiling Ubuntu ARM hard-float <pre> sudo sh echo 'foreign-architecture armhf' >>/etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/multiarch echo 'deb [arch=armhf] http://ports.ubuntu.com/ precise main universe' >/etc/apt/sources.list.d/armhf.list apt-get update apt-get install gcc-arm-linux-gnueabihf libx11-dev:armhf libsdl-dev:armhf </pre> <pre> ./configure --target=linux-armhf --x-includes=/usr/include \ --enable-includes=/usr/arm-linux-gnueabihf/include </pre> Now, the AROS build is configured properly and all you need to do is: make ==Build== ===64bit=== ===32bit=== # download/checkout the source someplace, e.g. /build/AROS-Src/ # make a directory to store external sources AROS downloads, e.g. /build/Ports # make a build directory, e.g. /build/aros-raspi-armhf # cd into the build dir, configure, and then run make -: <pre> >cd /build/aros-raspi-armhf >/build/AROS-Src/configure --target=raspberrypi-armhf --with-serial-debug --enable-ccache --with-portssources=/build/Ports >make >make arosboot-raspi </pre> then copy the files from /build/aros-raspi-armhf/bin/raspi-armhf/AROS/ onto an sdcard, and download/copy the Raspi firmware files onto it. You should then be able to boot the sdcard on your RasPi. The current W.I.P tree to svn. it can be built as follows .. <pre> ./configure --target=raspi-armhf make arosboot-raspi </pre> That will generate arosraspi.img, arosraspi.rom and config.txt in bin/raspi-arm/AROS - so either copy just those files to a fat formatted SD card (with the firmware files on), or copy the whole contents of the AROS folder. NB - if you have a Linux/other install, backup the existing config.txt first arosraspi.img contains the bootstrap (which has very basic mailbox code, framebuffer/gpio init, and console "emulation" via code pinched from our libbootconsole), kernel.resource, and exec.library arosraspi.rom contains all the other components needed to boot AROS. The config.txt file will tell the RasPI bootstrap to load the arosraspi kernel and ramdisk (rom). the bootstrap has minimal mailbox code, planning on adding either a resource or library that driver/app code will use to access it (likewise for GPIO) Help building AROS hosted on Linux ARM Was looking a way to use more my Handheld ARM based called Pyra (Dragonbox Pyra) an ARM (Omap5 cpu with 4GB ram) linux based machine (Debian Buster v10 with kernel 5.6.19 adapted) and have a try to compile the latest Aros sources by Deadwood directly on this device. Compilation stops after build libpopupmenu.a and trying to build libatomic have this error: <pre> Configuring build in bin/linux-arm/gen/host/tools/crosstools/gnu/gcc/arm-aros/libatomic configure: WARNING: unrecognized options: --disable-nls, --without-x checking for --enable-version-specific-runtime-libs... no checking for --enable-generated-files-in-srcdir... no checking build system type... arm-unknown-linux-gnu checking host system type... arm-unknown-aros checking target system type... arm-unknown-aros checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c checking whether build environment is sane... yes checking for arm-aros-strip... /media/farox/pyra2/arosbuilds/toolchain-core-armhf/arm-aros-strip checking for a thread-safe mkdir -p... /usr/bin/mkdir -p checking for gawk... no checking for mawk... mawk checking whether make sets $(MAKE)... yes checking whether make supports nested variables... yes checking for arm-aros-gcc... /media/farox/pyra2/arosbuilds/toolchain-core-armhf/arm-aros-gcc checking whether the C compiler works... no configure: error: in /media/farox/pyra2/arosbuilds/toolchain-core-armhf-build/bin/linux-arm/gen/host/tools/crosstools/gnu/gcc/arm-aros/libatomic': configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables See config.log' for more details make[2]: *** [mmakefile:4489: /media/farox/pyra2/arosbuilds/toolchain-core-armhf-build/bin/linux-arm/gen/host/tools/crosstools/gnu/gcc/arm-aros/libatomic/.configured] Error 77 [MMAKE] make --no-print-directory TOP=/media/farox/pyra2/arosbuilds/toolchain-core-armhf-build SRCDIR=/media/farox/pyra2/arosbuilds/AROS CURDIR=tools/crosstools/gnu TARGET=tools-crosstools-gcc-libatomic-configure -s --file=mmakefile tools-crosstools-gcc-libatomic-configure failed: 512 [MMAKE] Error: Error while running make in tools/crosstools/gnu: No such file or directory make[1]: *** [Makefile:361: linklibs-libatomic] Error 10 make: *** [Makefile:183: crosstools] Error 2 </pre> looking at config.log on arosbuilds/toolchain-core-armhf-build/bin/linux-arm/gen/host/tools/crosstools/gnu/gcc/arm-aros/libatomic found that arosbuilds/toolchain-core-armhf/arm-aros-ld: cannot find -laeabi so do make linklibs-aeabi-arm-quick and the missing lib was built. now the next stop is at fatal error: bits/libc-header-start.h: No such file or directory and fatal error: sys/cdefs.h: No such file or directory in many places so after checking that have this missing include files i have noted that my include path is a bit different, standard searching path is /usr/arm-linux-gnueabihf but in my system is /usr/include/arm-linux-gnueabihf so if i add my path to some mmakefiles compilation goes on....but is a better way to add this path to avoid every mmakefiles to be changed? fixed with adding -I/usr/include/arm-linux-gnueabihf to where is missing on mmakefiles like USER_INCLUDES := -isystem $(GENINCDIR) -I/usr/include/arm-linux-gnueabihf $(KERNEL_INCLUDES) P.s. I have changed many mmakefiles and have at least compiled (after many hours) the toolchain doing make every time in arosbuilds/toolchain-core-armhf-build (also have to disable making tests under cplusplus but don't remember the directory ...) but ask an help to have an automated way to correctly build without modify mmakefiles. Last time built armhf target was around 2 years ago. At that point built is via cross-compilation from linux (ubuntu 22.04) using linux armhf crosscompiler (this can explain the path differences you are experiencing) as well as using AROS gcc cross-compiler in version 6.5.0 (build with option 21) in rebuild.sh). Since then AROS GCC has been updated to 10.5.0 and don't believe anyone tried to build the armhf target again. My suggestion would be to downgrade GCC to 6.5.0 (via editing AROS/config/gcc_def file) and try to first build using cross-compilation from x86_64 linux. Once that works, you will have a "template" to compare to native compilation under arm linux. Thanks for your suggestion...but think the toolchain with GCC 10.5.0 is compilable if i found a way to pass the path of my system to the script that build (option 21 on rebuild). The other only changes are (but don't know where to modify...) is to add the build of libaeabi and disable the building of some tests under cplusplus that use exceptions and is not supported under ARM. try to crosscompile with my Linux amd64 PC. For paths look into core-linux-armhf/bin/linux-armhf/gen/config/target.cfg. A number of build-wide variable is set there containing paths to local build system. These variables and the target.cfg file are generated by AROS ./configure script. Thanks compilation now go forward...changed target.cfg under "toolchain-core-armhf-build/bin/linux-arm/gen/config" and do make on "toolchain-core-armhf-build" dir. Need to find where to enable build libaeabi.a so can build the entire toolchain with option 21 of rebuild.sh Found something that looks like libeabi in AROS/arm-all/arm-aeabi/mmakefile.src. Try adding a third line there: #MM- linklibs-armhd : libklibs-aeabi-arm Don't remember needing this library. Possibly the 6.5.0 GCC somehow does this while 10.5.0 is missing this. Try adding this line (and the variant "linklibs-armhf" instead of hd) but it did not solve the automatic building of the missing lib. I must do "linklibs-aeabi-arm-quick". Anyway after have build the aeabi lib i succefully built the toolchain (after many hours...). Smile To test I restarted from selecting option 21 (on rebuild.sh) but after many hours i get the same error of the kernel includes not found...maybe i need to modify the configure script for my case. With the toolchain built i try to build the core-linux-armhf (DEBUG) (option 22) but after a while it stopped with "cannot find -laeabi " so i made it built manually...and now i can continue compiling...i'll let you know if all goes ok. == Hardware == ===64bit=== ====BCM2712==== With the Pi5 Broadcom VideoCore 7 vc7 is an integrated GPU with 12 cores and up to 800 MHz clock. VideoCore VII is capable of OpenGL ES 3.1 and Vulkan 1.2. The driver support for the Raspberry Pi continues to build upon the [https://lore.kernel.org/dri-devel/20230928114532.167854-1-itoral@igalia.com/ open-source V3D driver] stack within [https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/25450 Mesa] hopefully be merged for Mesa 23.3 *Raspberry Pi M.2 HAT+ Expansion Board *Geekworm X1001 PCIe to M.2 Key-M NVMe *Geekworm X1003 PCIe to M.2 HAT NVMe SSD PIP Board for Raspberry Pi 5 *Pineboards Pi Hut HatDrive! M.2 HAT 2024/V4 *Hat+ Gen2 Gen3 Nvme *GeeekPi 52Pi N04 for Raspberry Pi 5 NVME M.2 * *2024 RPI AI HAT - Hailo 20TOPs no LLMs *2026 RPI AI HAT+ 2 - Hailo 40TOPs slightly better? [https://www.raspberrypi.com/documentation/accessories/camera.html Cameras for Pi] *Raspberry Pi camera module, the V3 with Sony IMX708 back-illuminated CMOS 12 Megapixel sensor *Raspberry Pi Camera Module V2 – 8MP Sony IMX219 Sensor *Raspberry Pi camera Rev 1.3, 5MP 1080P OV5647 image/video module, 2592 x 1944 pixels ====BCM2711==== With the Pi4 an ARM a72 cpu is about x3 times the size of an a53 in the Pi3 the 2711b line used more power when idle, compared to the 2711c *2018 Raspberry Pi PoE HAT Power Over Ethernet Hat - design issues *2020 Raspberry Pi PoE+ HAT Power Over Ethernet Hat Pi3b+ Pi4 only - better design *Waveshare PoE HAT (B) with cooling fan for Raspberry Pi 3B+/4B 802.3af PoE *[https://github.com/axizo-pi/V3DLib vc6 V3D 4.2] is derived from [https://docs.broadcom.com/doc/12358545 vc4], but it is significantly different The QPU pipeline stays mostly the same, you still have an add ALU and a multiply ALU and it can issue two ALU OPs per cycle. There is still 4 SIMD lanes, interleaved over 4 cycles. The instruction encoding for the QPUs is different, but the core instructions are the same. Instructions for packed 8 bit int math has been dropped, along with most of the pack modes. Instructions for packed 16bit float math has been added (2 floats at in a single operation) With vc5/vc6, you write two packed 16f value to the tilebuffer (or four writes of 32f, if you are using the rgba32f framebuffer). And there is a handy vfpack operation which allows you to pack two f32s into a single 32bit value in a single instruction. You can vfpack directly into the tile buffer register. the multiply ALU can now fadd, so you can issue two fadds per instruction. the add ALU has gained a bunch of new instructions the A and B register files have been merged. You still only get an A read and a B read per instruction, but they read from one big register file (which means the underlying memory block has gone from two sets of "one read port, one write port" to one "two read ports, one write port" block) The theoretical max FLOPs per QPU remains the same at two per cycle, other than the bump from 400mhz to 500mhx but it looks like a lot of effort has been put putting those theoretical FLOPs to better use. *vc4 could run one or two threads per QPU. When you ran in two thread mode, the available register file halfed to 32 registers. *vc5 added a four thread per QPU mode, with 16 registers per thread. *vc6 doubled the size of the register file. You could now use all 64 threads in two thread mode and 32 registers in for thread mode. Single thread mode was removed, you always have at least two threads. With the threading improvements, the QPUs should spent much less time idle waiting NOPs for memory requests. Most of the design changes have gone to improving the fixed function hardware around the QPUs. A fixed function blend unit has been added, which should reduce load on the QPUs when doing alpha blending. hope software blending is still possible The tile buffer can now store upto 4 render targets (up to 128bits per pixel, so if you are using 4 32bit render targets, you can't have a depth buffer) A MMU, allowing a much simpler/faster kernel driver. Many more texture formats, framebuffer formats. All the features needed for opengl es 3.0 H.265 / HEVC decoder is a HEVCv2 Main 4:4:4 10 design supporting bitstreams up to profile 5.1 HEVC hardware decode supports 4kp60, 10-bit. Audio output is pretty much unchanged, but the HDMI audio channels now support 8x192kHz bitrates Each ALU typically have 2 floating point operators, and as you pointed out in a earlier post videocore 6 is no exception, with both a multiply and additive floating point operator. Thus theoretical GFLOPs are calculated with both operators in mind. That is what the 2 in my formula represents, and is common across any modern programmable shader, whether you calculate Nvidia, AMD, Intel, Boardcom or any other company's GPUs. Total ALUs * 2 * GHz clock = GFLOPs, In the case of Raspberry Pi 3, it's 24 ALUs * 2 operators * 0.4GHz = 19.2GFLOPs If the Videocore 6 does indeed only have 16 ALUs (16 * 2 * 0.5GHz), you'd have only 16GFLOPs but they are better utilised Possible maximum performance <pre> VideoCore IV @ 250MHz: 250 [MHz] x 3 [slice] x 4 [qpu/slice] x 4 [processor] x 2 [op/clock] = 24 Gflop/s VideoCore IV @ 300MHz: 300 [MHz] x 3 [slice] x 4 [qpu/slice] x 4 [processor] x 2 [op/clock] = 28.8 Gflop/s VideoCore VI @ 500MHz: 500 [MHz] x 2 [slice] x 4 [qpu/slice] x 4 [processor] x 2 [op/clock] = 32 Gflop/s </pre> Faster LPDDR4 memory. ====BCM2837==== With the Pi3 * Broadcom BCM43438 chip provides 2.4&nbsp;GHz 802.11n wireless LAN, Bluetooth Low Energy, and Bluetooth 4.1 Classic radio support, 3B+ [https://github.com/aros-development-team/AROS/commit/afa5bc0bb17d5dd06bcfdbac00853a3799ca8d76 LAN7515] The overclock ability has diminished with each chip version as the energy usage has increased. BCM2837 is one of the warmest yet and benefits from active fan cooling if all four cpu cores are in use for a short while. Video playback is not affected due to the custom support in the GPU. 5 V / 2.4 or 2.5 amp power supply recommended if all four cpu cores are running, else throttling (cpu slowdown) might occur. Dual VDP and scalable QPU in VC4 ARMv8-A has [https://developer.arm.com/documentation/102412/0100/Privilege-and-Exception-levels privilege levels] where userspace typically runs at ‘EL0’, the kernel at ‘EL1’ or ‘EL2’ and the firmware at the highest level ‘EL3’. ===32bit=== === Core Kernel === ====BCM2708(family)==== which includes the [http://elinux.org/RPi_Hardware BCM2835] (ARM1176JZF-S 700&nbsp;MHz CPU + VideoCore IV GPU + up to 1GB RAM) *Framebuffer (fb) using mailbox *IRQ scheduler, etc *Arasan based SD Card controller *Synopsis DesignWare USB 2.0 OTG controller [http://networkdirection.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=106:rasperry-pi-usb-controller&catid=45:raspberry-pi&Itemid=54 Unofficial DOCS pdf], [dwc_otg.c FreeBSD], [], [https://www.riscosopen.org/viewer/view/mixed/RiscOS/Sources/HWSupport/USB/Controllers/DWCDriver/ RiscOS USB Driver], [https://www.riscosopen.org/forum/forums/5/topics/878 RiscOS USB Discussion], [https://www.riscosopen.org/forum/forums/11/topics/1893 Other USB RiscOS], [http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/index.html Plan9 Miller's usb] http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sources/contrib/miller/, [https://github.com/Chadderz121/csud CSUD driver], *[http://www.smsc.com/media/Downloads_Public/Data_Sheets/9512.pdf SMSC 9512] USB LAN/Hub chip *CMOS RAM *VCHIQ port which sends messages to the GPU e.g. for mouse, keyboard, audio on HDMI, etc *Audio Driver *Serial Peripheral Interface Bus (SPI) *[http://www.susa.net/wordpress/2012/06/raspberry-pi-pcf8563-real-time-clock-rtc/ I2C registers] *I2S *Universal Asynchronous Receiver Transmitter (UART) *[http://elinux.org/RPi_BCM2835_GPIOs GPIOs] and [http://www.adafruit.com/blog/2012/08/17/broadcom-bcm2835-peripheral-memory-map-and-gpio-alternate-use-chart-piday-raspberrypi-raspberry_pi/ Alternative view of GPIO] BCM2836 * For Pi B+, PI 2 and Pi 3 SMSC LAN9514 chip adding 10/100 Ethernet connectivity and four USB channels to the board *[http://www.andrewscheller.co.uk/rpi_pcb_modules.html PCB], [http://elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals Low level features], Implemented so far... # Modify the configure system so that it correctly builds for the arm hardware float raspi target. # Implemented the bootstrap to load the aros modules and prepare the arm to jump into them. Reworked the x86 console support so that parts can be stolen for raspi to use since t has no basic functionality to output to the display. # Implemented a kernel.resource to prepare the raspi for running aros and provide the low level api calls to expose available resources and allow exec, etc function. # Implemented serial debug support # Implemented the exec (and kernel) functionality required to make multitasking work (and interrupts, exceptions, syscalls, etc) # Implemented a timer.device to utilise the hardware timers. # Implemented a very basic gfx driver to expose the hardware's framebuffer. # Implemented an SD-Card driver for AROS which presently only supports the raspi's chipset but can easily be modified to support all sd-card hardware and media. # Fixed the fat filesystem support in AROS so that it can boot on RasPi's normal SD-Card setup. The "rom" image files needed use a different filename than the default linux, etc images so can be easily installed without harming the existing files - you only need to change the loaded images in the config file to get aros to boot. # Updated the build scripts to automatically download the necessary raspi firmware files and wrap it all up so that you can simply extract the archive to a fat formatted sdcard and boot it on the raspi without having to get anything else. # fix everything in contrib and ports to build for raspi (needs proper testing/fixes but allows every component to actually compile at least, including owb) + numerous other fixes to get things working on arm/raspi .. Improvements... # Implement a USB chipset driver "OR" finish the existing one [https://github.com/aros-development-team/AROS/commit/c07d13c724f944674be5db54fc6a71ee72a01809 usb otg] - the current code is mostly a skeleton that should initialise the chipset and then needs relevant code to support the different transfer types. It also has the "virtual" hub code in place to represent the raspi's USB port (from poseidons p.o.v) # Implement a driver for the USB NIC (a few weeks - depends on USB above) # Write an [https://github.com/aros-development-team/AROS/commit/d55d0f74d20b769bbb8c8d386e5c1d7a9154f05a audio driver] (a few weeks - independent of USB) and [https://github.com/aros-development-team/AROS/commit/e93a4c245f27a87c9c4c1d39206694b39059998a HDMI] # fix syscall bug in the current raspi kernel code # Graphics depend on having a decent "bcmdma.resource" implemented as to use the cpu's dma engine. The sd card driver needs to use it for transfers to/from the controller - and the gfx system needs to use it for "blitting". # [https://github.com/aros-development-team/AROS/commit/4019d84e4975d4dad987a12d57fe108f5ac048e6 Improve the gfx driver], [ vc4gfx HIDD] add [http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/VC4/ Gallium3D support] # [https://github.com/aros-development-team/AROS/commit/b13905b3e8e45b089f520b44692c81affddd066f Improve] the [https://github.com/aros-development-team/AROS/commit/3a876755c070f5c73c4f53c7f4d35b4f923088b9 sdcard] device driver - which is also pretty basic but should work with most cards, rework it to also support pci, etc. sd card interfaces on x86 # The current code using very rudimentary access to the gpio interface - so that should be implemented as some resource for other components to access, as-well as the i2c interface exposed over the gpio interface. that should have a hidd class implemented which uses the gpio resource to communicate. Boot up typical for most other OSs before the open sourcing of many binary blobs from 2017 onwards On power-up, the rpi [http://www.open.com.au/mikem/bcm2835/ BCM 2835] [https://github.com/hermanhermitage/videocoreiv VideoCore4] GPU, not the ARM CPU, is in control, and the SD card slot is the only peripheral device with power. The firmware burned into the BCM2835's VideoCoreIV GPU PROM requires a DOS-style partition table; a FAT-formatted first partition; and the freely redistributable but closed sourced Broadcom files “bootcode.bin” and “start.elf” in that partition. The boot sequence carries out several pre-boot tasks *On powering of the rpi, the GPU reads and executes bootcode.bin, which then loads start.elf *The GPU loads the “start.elf” file, eventually, into the L2 cache and then executes it *configures the memory split for the CPU and GPU *reads and parses “config.txt” from the same partition on the SD card and applies the settings (like a PC’s BIOS settings) *loads the “kernel.img” file, again from the same partition *activates the CPU to begin executing the loaded kernel image The CPU/GPU memory split is hard-coded into start.elf, so Broadcom provides three start.elf images, to give 32M, 64M, or 128M to the GPU for multimedia performance, and the remainder to the CPU. RPi uses [https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware some closed source loaders] and at some point it loads a binary blob named "kernel.img" at 0x8000, at that point there would be a rudimentary Aros alive. If one wants to use the SD-card then there would have to be a driver for the interface and a fat filesystem handler (SD-card has to be formatted to fat filesystem) Boot code and kernel are now linked together and made into that binary blob, just for starters. Raspberry Pi uses [http://kernelnomicon.org/?p=133 u-boot] and [http://kernelnomicon.org/?p=138 UBoot] as bootloader, there's already some code in the Efika MX port for that. UBoot is a native bootloader and not just for the raspberry pi, it loads after start.elf. You can find Efika MX port from arch implementations, some hacking is needed for the mmakefile.src'es as iit dates back to before the Aros crosstool era or else you get some weird errors while building. You also need to code the bootstrap and serial handling. At the moment it seems that a fastest route for the native build would be to make one binary blob without using the package system. Raspberry's memory layout is pretty simple and if the implemented u-boot doesn't support loading other modules <pre> ? - alias for 'help' mtest - simple RAM test autoscr - run script from memory base - print or set address offset bbm - BBM sub-system bdinfo - print Board Info structure boot - boot default, i.e., run 'bootcmd' bootd - boot default, i.e., run 'bootcmd' bootm - boot application image from memory bootp - boot image via network using BootP/TFTP protocol cmp - memory compare coninfo - print console devices and information cp - memory copy crc32 - checksum calculation echo - echo args to console fatinfo - print information about filesystem fatload - load binary file from a dos filesystem fatls - list files in a directory (default /) go - start application at address 'addr' help - print online help iminfo - print header information for application image itest - return true/false on integer compare jade - loadb - load binary file over serial line (kermit mode) loads - load S-Record file over serial line loady - load binary file over serial line (ymodem mode) loop - infinite loop on address range md - memory display mm - memory modify (auto-incrementing) mtest - simple RAM test mw - memory write (fill) nfs - boot image via network using NFS protocol nm - memory modify (constant address) pci - list and access PCI Configuration Space ping - send ICMP ECHO_REQUEST to network host printenv - print environment variables rarpboot - boot image via network using RARP/TFTP protocol reset - Perform RESET of the CPU run - run commands in an environment variable saveenv - save environment variables to persistent storage saves - save S-Record file over serial line setenv - set environment variables sleep - delay execution for some time tftpboot - boot image via network using TFTP protocol USB - USB sub-system usbboot - boot from USB device version - print monitor version </pre> And there is one more thing about modular ports. In order to actually implement this, your bootstrapping environment should provide the ability to load several files. On PC this is provided by GRUB2. on CHRP you can read filesystem via OpenFirmware, and Sam's Parthenope relies on modified u-boot. If your bootstrap allows to load only a single file, then you stuck with monolithic kickstart. By the way... u-boot allows not only to boot up a single uImage or zImage, it also allows to write client programs AFAIK. With this approach, you actually can write modular bootstrap for ARM AROS using unmodified u-boot. Most used [http://www.compulab.co.il/workspace/mediawiki/index.php5/U-Boot_quick_reference uboot options] are fatls usb 0:1, the reason behind INTB_KERNEL is to allow use of the standard Exec function AddIntServer() to add interrupt handlers for hardware drivers etc. AmigaOS never used it for abstract hardware drivers. AmigaOS routed only raw hardware IRQs there. Their assignment was hardcoded. As well as number of them. Actually on AmigaOS every bus has its own interrupt subsystem. For example PCI bus. PCI interrupts on Amiga are routed to a single exec interrupt. 1:1 relationship between CPU and hardware interrupts is present only on PC. IMHO we miss things like AddInterrupt/RemInterrupt methods on our PCI subsystem's device class. PCI bus class should map these methods to whatever is appropriate. This is how it is done on AmigaOS and friends. When these are implemented, raw kernel.resource API will be needed only for several PC-specific drivers with hardwired resources. Exec IRQs are real IRQs only on Amiga hardware. On other machines they can be emulated where appropriate (VBlank is a good example). kernel.resource is meant to be different, its IRQs are hardware-agnostic, they are plain "Hardware IRQ number X, whatever this means". They are low-level actually, and meaningful only in the context of a particular system. Was that not the transition from irq.hidd to kernel.resource? No. A long time ago there was another hacky bit named INTB_TIMERTICK. It was "abstract timer interrupt", used by timer.device. It was the same as VBlank, but with larger frequency. I removed it, because kernel.resource API was a cleaner way to access this interrupt. Furthermore, there can be more than one timer in the system. Thinking about bringing back timer HIDD definitions again. hpet.resource is a bad idea. Can someone please enlighten me a little on how the scheduler is meant to work? Poseidon.library creates its "Poseidon Event Task" during RTF_COLDSTART -> then calls Wait(), and ends up in limbo because wait disables interrupts (used for the scheduler heartbeat), and basically waits forever because the sigbit is never set, since krnSwitch doesn't switch the task unless TF_SWITCH is set, and no codepath run during this seems to set it?? TF_SWITCH does not disable/enable switching. This flag just enables to run user-supplied hook when the task is being switched away. It is completely safe to call Wait() in Disable()d state. Doing this actually temporarily breaks this state. IDNestCnt gets remembered in struct Task, then next task is selected, and its IDNestCnt is restored in sysbase (see kernel_scheduler.c). If there are no other tasks, then your cpu_Dispatch() should enable interrupts on the CPU and enter idle mode. See x86 implementation for good example. You miss what happens next... 1. KrnSwitch() saves context of your task, saves IDNestCnt (core_Switch() and cpu_Switch()), then drops into cpu_Dispatch(). 2. cpu_Dispatch() calls core_Dispatch. Then two cases are possible: 2a. There is a READY task. It is picked up, its IDNestCnt is restored in SysBase, then cpu_Dispatch() needs to restore registers and exit. The next task is run. 2b. There are no READY tasks. core_Dispatch() returns NULL. In this case your cpu_Dispatch() should enter idle loop. It should just enable interrupts on the CPU and put it on halt. This allows it to process hardware interrupts. Eventually some of your interrupt handlers wakes up your task and puts it into READY list. My heartbeat interrupt has been slowed atm to help debugging - but it never actually gets a chance to fire because of the Wait() disabling interrupts. Perhaps you have forgotten to enable interrupts in your idle loop. There is a change in the format of AROS executables. Until now we were using Elf RELocable files which are usually used as intermediate object files. We had them for various reasons, one of them was how AROS files were built in the past. That days we had no real aros cross compiler and the option to embed relocation data in unix executables (or in executable files in general) was rather new and not every linux/unix system had it. Therefore we have decided to use intermediate files. Although it was somehow working (and it is still working :-)), it has some drawbacks. Therefore decided to introduce real Elf EXEC types, in first turn implemented on ARM target with option to expand in future to all other AROS architectures. The first patch was pretty easy and appeared to work somehow. It generated nice executables with embedded relocation info. Not only that, it also removed all global symbols adjusting relocation data to be relative to the beginning of the sections. That move reduced number of symbols in each executable significantly (depending on the file between 20 and 80% of all symbols could be removed). The only symbols that stayed in the file are local ones - due to the nature of the patch wasn't able to remove them since we have not seen them in the symbol hash table. The patch didn't worked though. The files were relocated, AROS kernel loaded, but it crashed very early. What happened? Well, the nature of ARM relocations happened :) Most of the relocation data on all machines is rather simple. Relocation can be absolute or pc-relative, sometimes the offset has to be bit shifted. On ARM v7 there is another one. There, when one wants to load an address of function/variable into register a combination of two instructions can be used: movw and movt. The first one loads immediate into lower 16 bits of a register while clearing upper 16 bits. The second one loads immediate into upper 16 bits without touching lower halfword. Loading of a pointer into a register looks like this: movw r0, #:lower16:label movt r0, #:upper16:label In this case there are two relocations - one for lower halfword and another for upper. If an overflow of lower 16 bits occurs during relocation process, the upper one should be updated as well. Unfortunately with current patch and with typical ARM executables there is not enough information to perform the calculations. There are two options - the first one would be to give up and go back to "fake" executables, another one would be to change from REL to RELA relocation info. The latter contains an addend, extra data which can be used to perform all the relocation calculations I need. Decided for the second option. The patch is already in the works. There is another function for the binutils' bfd backend to perform the final relocation. There can decide what to do with every reloc info, modify data and eventually strip some symbols. An advantage is - at this stage of the linking process have also full access to all local symbols so can change all relocations section relative and eventually strip all symbols from the files. GPU VCore developed by Alphamosaic Ltd and now owned by Broadcom. Most of start.elf runs on the GPU. Placing ALL the userland GPU code in the videocore.hidd isn't going to be a terribly big problem because the code they published is nothing more than a shim that sends data straight to the GPU to execute. The good news about this is that we only need to write our HIDD using the OpenVG API. The shim is relatively small codewise and lives in the ARM memory (the actual OpenVG code itself lives in the GPU RAM area and its loaded from start.elf). That's also the bad news. Our driver has to translate AROS video calls to OpenVG calls, for most tasks it should be easy, for some, not so much. It's still probably less difficult and less work, than controlling the GPU directly. The other good news is that anything done through OpenVG happens on the GPU, its truly accelerated. It also has some nice font functions, meaning we can lead into an accelerated text mode later. Basically, AROS resets or locks up when it tries to use AROS_ATOMIC_INC or DEC. If I comment out the byte/word operations in the header files and use non-atomic operations, the code works as expected. have read that the L1 cache needs to be enabled to use LDREX and co (which I also read is only meant to be used on multi processor systems with shared memory) - however I am certain this is correctly enabled. If you are using LREX or STREX, you should have L1 cache enabled, at least on the ARM CPU I work with at work. L1 cache is enabled by enabling the MMU *AND* setting the C and I bits in the CPU - the C bit is ignored, and the I bit only covers the 16 byte instruction pipeline if the MMU is not enabled. Can you verify that your assembly is generating LDREX/STREX? From the behavior, it almost sounds like its generating the default Semaphore locked atomics. Impossible. There are no semaphore-locked atomics. There are Disable()/Enable()-based ones instead. And there's a special #define AROS_NO_ATOMIC_OPERATIONS in this case, which tweaks Disable()/Enable() implementations not to recurse forever. I have tested this on ARMv5 which does not have ldrex/strex, it works fine. On those ARMs there's no way to have real atomics. On other OSes (like Linux) this is done by introducing things like atomic_t, which appears to be a complex structure, holding the value together with accompanying spinlock (implemented using swp). #warning "TODO: lookup optimal mmu table settings for raspi memory" /* Set up an identity-mapping for all 4GB */ for(x = 0; x < 4096; x ++) { pagetable[x] = x<<20 | (0x40002|0x80000|0x010000|0x00C00|0x04); } Shouldn't there be a second loop that sets the 'C' bit in the descriptor for the RAM pages? Currently, you have TEX=0, C=0, B=1 for all pages (Shared Device). You should have TEX=0, C=1, B=0 for RAM (Write-Through, Cached) So .. pagetable[x] = x<<20 | 2; should be enough? No, for RAM you need to change the '| 0x40' to '| 0x80' tell dosboot the correct defaults to use Please don't do this. This bootconfig.c is a deprecated legacy thing. I wanted it to go away completely with time. Instead, display drivers should auto-install themselves during own initialization phase. I. e. detect hardware=>instantiate itself. This should make things way simpler. With this approach you only need to add the driver into KS image to get the device autobooted. No hardcoded stuff. Currently VESA and VGA drivers do this, look there for examples. never rewrote ATI driver because i don't have any test system for it. they defined a smaller AROSCPUContext than the ExceptionContext - yet reference it as ExceptionContext in other places, and since it hasn't allocated enough storage for ExceptionContext, are corrupting memory/the structure (since the elements that are there don't map 1 to 1 with the exception context). AFAIK, AROS has been moving in a different direction to this in recent years. It is the job of graphics HIDDs to allocate bitmaps etc. so that they have the most suitable characteristics, including allocating them from GPU RAM where possible. The concept of chip RAM is only for legacy code, and most if not all non-68k platforms should have all system RAM marked as chip. BTW, is the video processing code you mention CPU code or GPU code? Also, IIRC we have support for "external memory allocators". Perhaps that's what we need for the allocation of GPU RAM through the mailbox. All hosted and x86 native ports should use proper context formats. trying to clarify if the vblank handler has to have run by this point to prevent this deadlock. Actually, no. Unless you have installed VBlank handler which should wake up at some point. Without VBlank there will be no quantum count. Consequently, there will be no forced preemption. But the rest will work, and multitasking will be cooperative (switch happens only when current task voluntarily gives up the CPU). Does it depend on the vblank having run before this point? and if yes what does that mean on systems where it might be able to run enough code (e.g. get to this point) before the vblank interrupt has triggered? What is it waiting for? It could wait for timer, in this case you need timer.device working. VBlank is currently needed for exec's quantum counter. In current native ports we have only a single timer, which is served by timer.device. VBlank is simulated by timer.device also. If your machine has two timers, then you can use one of them for VBlank, and another for timer.device, this will simplify things down. VBlank needs to be 50 Hz for historical reasons, many programs use it as cheap timer. I am periodically thinking about making some abstract mechanism to be able to change quantum source (and untie it from 50 Hz), but have no time to come up with something good. Additionally i started disliking timer.device hardcoded design when PC has got many timers (old 8253, APIC, HPET). Currently i think there should be some low-level entity representing tick source. timer.device should just select the most appropriate source for its units. The BCM2835 has 4 GPU based timer sources - 2 are used by the GPU, so im using Timer3 for our heartbeat and the remaining one will be free to the system. There is also the less capable ARM timer but that is dependent on the CPU frequency. Very good. You won't need any emulation. Set the heartbeat to 50 Hz and drive VBlank from it. Use other timer for MicroHZ. Can you use the 'econsole.hook' I make for debugging the Sam460 via the serial port? It provides a before-anything-else shell prompt on the serial port. You can then do 'NewCLI' to test your graphics, or use any DOS command in shellcommands.resource. You should just be able to add econsole.hook to your module list, and use 'econsole' in your bootargs. So long as you have a working Exec/RawMayGetChar and Exec/RawPutChar, it should work. Also make sure to add shell.resource and shellcommands.resource for this. That should have done it. If you set "#define DEBUG 1" in arch/all-native/econsole/econsole.c, do you get any additional serial output? have added it to the build and added econsole to the command line - and can see the bootloader picks up on the emergency bootconsole tag, but I still only get the insert bootable media display? Im assuming it exposes a fake filesystem that tricks aros into booting? The contents of which are: ECON:AROS.boot Way to handle the scheduling code? The implementations I had been following were causing problems, due to cascading interrupts which I cant handle properly in the asm stubs just now (when they break disable etc.) - since it means detecting the interrupted codes cpu mode and getting the correct sp/lr for it, and that's just too tedious for arm. To work around this ive added a system idle task which does nothing - and when the scheduling code has no task to run switches this in and lets it run, thereby allowing the interrupts etc to resume until something does need to happen. Also, by adding accounting code to cpu_Switch() and cpu_Dispatch(), it should allow the system to log idle time correctly (as well as running tasks). have thought of also adding an additional task that never runs, solely to record time spent in IRQ handlers, but I digress.. was under the impression that kernel.resource should *never* be used outside of exec.library. This is a wrong impression. Michal started designing it because portable nature of AROS does not fit well into exec's API with all its assumptions. So, he started the new, hardware-agnostic kernel API from scratch. Yes, exec sits on top of it in places. But kernel always meant to be open thing. Otherwise it would not exist. it wasn't meant to be just used willy nilly by user code - but by lower system components (e.g. exec) so that they could be implemented in a more generic fashion, and the kernel resource itself hide the systems quirks. Adding new things there perfectly keeps up with our decision to minimize AROS-specific intervention into APIs which can clash with MorphOS or Amiga OS4 extensions. We want at least source-level compatibility there. Binary compatibility on PPC would be extremely cool, but at the other hand we have no maintainer for this, as well as their ABIs splintering. It depends on what exactly is being implemented - there's no reason we should have everything crammed into kernel.resource if it doesn't need to be (i.e. if its better suited as a separate component/subsystem in its own right) The _LE versions are for when you have endian swapping taking place. If the graphics are the same endian as the CPU, no swapping should occur. I ran into a similar terminology problem in SDL with a friend insisting that his Radeon 7000 on his PC was big-endian. It is not, it just uses the same endianness for the graphics card and the CPU so no swapping was necessary. They were both little-endian. The _LE versions are because the PixFmts refer to the bitmap data being in big endian format in memory, for which the normal version would need to do endianness conversion before applying the shifts/masks. on this platform it is in _LE in memory also so we don't need the conversion hence using the _LE version of the call). would use _LE (if it's really little endian 16 bit mode). What is the bare minimum needed to implement a framebuffer based gfx driver, with our software handling the rest? Have tried with just a gfx class that only expose new/dispose/newbitmap - and having an onscreenbitmap used only for the framebuffer itself (with all other bitmaps being chunkybm, and the framebuffer's superclass also being chunkybm), but that alone isn't enough it seems? You can use workbench/hidds/sm502/ as your example - it is as simple as I could make it. So, AROS creates the framebuffer bitmap (verified this) -> so surely it should be capable of then rendeing into it? I don't actually create the framebuffer "bitmap object" myself - only as a result of being asked to. The code I currently have on SVN seems to create the framebuffers bitmap object fine, but then crashes in intuitions DisplayDriver callback. In particular it crashes performing the getattr on the system default pointer. don't expose MEMF_CHIP in an allocatable form so AllocSpriteData was failing (and other code later doesn't check if the values are valid == illegal memory accesses) So far have -: vc_init: queries the gpus memory, and sets up a fake memory handler for it, then adds the bootmode driver and returns saying all is well vc_gfxhidd:New: sets up some fake syncmodes to test with and creates the real gfx object. vc_gfxhidd:NewBitmap: checks if its a framebuffer and uses the onbitmap class or uses the chunkybm class otherwise vc_onbitmap:New; creates a chunkybm object and then pushes the real framebuffer address into it as the buffer, vc4 had v8adds, v8subs, v8muld, v8min and v8max which operated on four 8bit uint values packed into a 32bit register. Multiplication was in the range 0.0 to 1.0 and addition/subtraction saturated. There were also a range unpacking/packing modes that allowed you to pack and unpack 8bit values into 32bit registers. RasPi has to speak to the "operating system" which runs on the GPU itself and request/free memory - it cant directly manage it itself, and so the managed functions were used to wrap these calls. The Arm and GPU share memory space. The framebuffer is shared. The Arm can write a pixel and it will appear on the screen (through GPU hardware) without flushing/copying being required. The GPU can composite multiple FB's in real time - so you have a number of surfaces defined which are rotated etc and composited in real time to the output. Copying can map from the address space of the Arm to the flat space of the GPU which takes some code, but I don't think whole buffers are copied. The DMA hardware can also access the whole memory space and can perform 2D fills and blits (no blending). This is documented in the peripheral spec posted. The DMA is just an Arm accessible peripheral and can be set up with low latency (e.g. microseconds). must use a 0xc0000000-based bus address to access SDRAM, yet non-DMA access should go via a 0x0-based bus address. For 2D dma, set TDMODE, and the spec says "interpret the TXFR_LEN register as YLENGTH number of transfers each of XLENGTH, and add the strides to the address after each transfer." so set STRIDE to pitch of the image, the width is XLENGTH and height is YLENGTH. You would fill by not setting the SRC_INC and point source to your fill data. The DMA cannot see the ARM's L1 cache, so you would map the framebuffer with ioremap_nocache. Depending on where the source data comes from, it may need an L1 cache flush. The DMA can see the L2 cache. Use 0xC0000000 bus addresses when L2 is disabled and 0x40000000 bus addresses when L2 is enabled. (actually just call virt_to_bus and you'll get the right address out). openGLES/openVG has high latency. Writing to framebuffer then reading it back is very inefficient (e.g. milliseconds). If you can drive it a unidirectional way, just streaming commands at then that is efficient. openVG is not implemented on top of openGLES - it uses the same hardware but as a first class interface To improve the Gfx driver, we will need a DMA resource implemented so can use to perform DMA operations. The Gfx driver will need this to perform blits. Actually MEMF_CHIP has to present, for historical reasons. This has been never fully agreed upon, but in ports i wrote i exposed the whole memory as MEMF_CHIP. The idea behind this is that CHIP is originally the memory where graphics and sound data can be put. On non-Amiga platforms there are no restrictions on this, so the whole memory is CHIP. Yes, many old software can misbehave with CHIP memory size larger than 2MB. But this actually applies only to m68k AROS which is going to run m68k binaries. In other cases it's quite logical to fix the program when porting. As to original question: yes, it's enough to have a framebuffer bitmap (one with aoHidd_BitMap_FrameBuffer set to TRUE) and PutPixel routine. It framebuffer can be served by chunky bitmap class, then you can simply create chunky bitmap with your own buffer (see how VESA driver does this). Chunky PutPixel is already there. struggling to determine what is the correct pixfmt to use for the 24/16/15 bit gfx modes on the RasPi. AFAIK it uses RGB565, for 16bit but im unsure what shifts etc should go with it? suffice to say Im getting the wrong colors so far lol. <pre> redmask: 0x0000F800 greenmask: 0x000007E0 bluemask: 0x0000001F alphamask: 0 redshift: 16 greenshift: 21 blueshift: 27 alphashift: 0 </pre> It should likely be vHidd_StdPixFmt_RGB16_LE This stuff is a bit confusing. The "names" of the stdpixfmts are based on the layout in memory, ignoring endianess. So for example: ARGB32: will be 0xAA 0xRR 0xGG 0xBB in memory on both big endian and little endian machines. The shifts and masks OTOH are based on pixel access (ULONG in this case), so differ depending on whether you run on big endian machine or little endian machine (that's why there's stdpixfmt_le.h and stdpixfmt_be.h in rom/hidds/graphics/). With the 16 bit pixel format it's even more confusing, as for example it's impossible on little endian machine to describe RGB16 with shifts/masks alone. That's why there's vHidd_PixFmt_SwapPixelBytes_Flag. (RGB16 == RRRRRGGG GGGBBBBB in memory, and for pixel (WORD) access on little endian machine it needs to be accessed as GGGBBBBBRRRRRGGGG). The shifts btw indicate how much to shift the component to the left (!) so that it is moved to the highest bit (31). The aHidd_PixFmt_StdPixFmt you specify will be ignored most of the time, because when the pixelfmt is registered, the gfx hidd checks if there's an identical pixfmt (shifts/masks/etc., but ignoring pixfmt->stdpixfmt) already in the system, and if so, it uses the already existing one and does not create a new one. In theory it would be better if gfx drivers could simply/only specify a StdPixFmt without all the shifts/masks stuff when the gfx driver uses pixfmt which matches one of the stdpixfmts exactly. Another possibility would be for gfx drivers to use HIDD_Gfx_GetPIxFmt(stdpixfmt_gfx_driver_wants_to_use) and then peek shifts/masks from it and fill out a pixfmt tag list based on that. 15bit very blue/green: Try to pass same shifts/masks/etc. as in 16 bit pixfmt (maybe you think it's using 15 bit R5G5B5 (or swapped) but it's actually still using 16 bit R5G6B5 (or swapped). aHidd_PixFmt_StdPixFmt you pass is mostly ignored. It's the shift/masks/etc. that count. But I would still pass the correct one (_LE) == whatever rom/hidds/graphics/stdpixfmts_??.h uses in the entry where you have looked up shifts/masks/etc. Use the shifts/masks/etc. from the entry in stdpixfmt_le.h (if you are running on little endian machine) or stdpixfmt_be.h (if you are running on little endian machine) that matches the pixfmt that its meant to be. 0xAA,0xRR,0xGG,0xBB on little endian (->entry in stdpixfmt_le.h which says vHidd_StdPixFmt_ARGB32) 0xBB,0xGG,0xRR,0xAA on little endian (->entry in stdpixfmt_le.h which says vHidd_StdPixFmt_BGRA32) 0xAA,0xRR,0xGG,0xBB on big endian (->entry in stdpixfmt_be.h which says vHidd_StdPixFmt_ARGB32) 0xBB,0xGG,0xRR,0xAA on big endian (->entry in stdpixfmt_be.h which says vHidd_StdPixFmt_BGRA32) it feels like AROS trashes the alpha component, otherwise it should be 8A8R8G8B. read on the subject suggest its in 1x5r5g5b (x is ignored) to keep 16bit alignment . Suggests to me that wrong shift/mask are being applied - however going by the 16bit versions it all looks correct to me so I am really confused as to what is happening. The output image looks to have too much green/blue, and very weak red. Kickstart The idea is to minimize amount of archirecture-specific modules to make the user's life easier. So, the kickstart was split into 'base' (which does not contain anything machine-specific) and 'BSP' (Board Support Package) which contains all hardware-specific stuff. This way, for example, distribution makers can save up space on CD and make CDs with multiple platform support. Different configuration would load the same base with different BSP's. Next there was some part which is entirely missing on hosted. These are filesystems. Hosted ports do not need them to boot up, so on hosted they are left out. At the other hand, they are also architecture-agnostic. So i put them into 'FS' package (standing for 'filesystem'). USB Poseidon is one more big part. I made it into separate package in order to allow users to omit it if they don't need it (for example, to run on retro PCs without USB). Personally i have one. Again, Poseidon is hardware-agnostic (well, there are USB drivers but HCIs are pretty standard). AFAIK its HCI 1.0 compliant but not familiar enough with poseidons drivers, nor USB, to just hack away at the existing code. Perhaps once i'm more familiar with the workings I can merge in the changes needed to get it operating but for now I will focus on getting it running. Also our drivers have known issues so perhaps a fresh set of eyes might shed some light on what is going wrong. Another interesting question is whether Poseidon can operate on device side. Is it flexible enough? How similar is being a USB host and USB device? think it will need a bit of work on Poseidon's side. Until then I will force the driver into Host/Master mode in the init code, but leave open device etc to configure the chipset for either's use - and look at trying to add support for working in Device/Slave mode & switching modes once it's up and running. Actually USBROMStartup is some kind of kludge. Can there be any alternative? Could device drivers be self-installing, like our HIDDs? This would get rid of need to list them in USBRomStartup. * Model A and B limited to 150 mA per port. * Model B+ and Pi 2 introduced configurable 600 mA to 1.2 A support over all ports - anything above that requires a powered USB hub. Implementing the hardware driver that Poseidon uses to interact with the USB components. Have code in place to (try) and initialise the USB chipset, and configure host/device mode operation (though AFAICT Poseidon doesn't support device mode). Started to get the "virtual" root hub written for the single USB port so that Poseidon should at least list it correctly in the GUI - and try to interact with it to find peripherals. The BCM2835 uses a soft IP block from Synopsys’ DesignWare library (DWC), specifically the block is called dwc_usb_2_0_hs_otg_subsystem-ahb_se (“USB 2.0 Hi-Speed OTG Controller Subsystem w/AHB Interface SE”). There is no public documentation for this, and pretty much zero chance of anyone getting hold of it even with NDA. However, there's a Linux driver written by Synopsys ([https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux dwc_usb]). Specifically directories [https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/tree/rpi-patches/drivers/usb/host dwc_common_port] and [https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/tree/rpi-patches/drivers/usb/host dwc_otg]. The Synopsys code is actually under a fairly permissive licence – it's not GPL, it's similar to BSD (’don't sue us if it breaks’ is pretty much the only clause). So this should not be a barrier to porting the code. The code is really well written, with a nice partition between the work done by the driver (dwc_otg, which is fairly involved, given the host does more work than a conventional EHCI driver), and the interface to Linux (dwc_common_port). Probably only need provision of relevant changes to dwc_common_port. Other things to consider.... * Provision of necessary headers to get it to compile * Provision of necessary functions (main issues are wait queues, threads, work queues, tasklets, timers, spinlocks and mutexes (multithreading) ) * Interfacing between USB stack and the driver. dwc_otg/dwc_otg_hcd_linux.c looks like the place to start. the Linux bits of the headers are only required for the dwc_common_port library. dwc_common_port includes a variety of crypto functions which are not used – it appears to also be used for ultrawideband (UWB) and wireless USB (WUSB) drivers where crypto will be an issue, but it isn't going to be for plain wired USB. Every USB driver acts as an USB hub as well in order to let Poseidon control the state of USB ports. The code there was reading status of the only USB port in Raspberry's CPU but when changing the status it erroneously deleted some of the status bits, including the port enable one. It was so because those bits in the status register are of a type Read/WriteToClear. It means, if one does not want to change their value from 1 back to 0, one has to actually write the 0 value. Very practical thing e.g. in interrupt handlers, where one reads the interrupt status register to learn what was the interrupt reason, and writes it back to the same register in order to clear the interrupts. After fixing that code it turned out that the communication was still unsuccessful. Apparently the USB device was not understanding the host for some reason. That should not happen since the request sent was one of the standard ones implemented by virtually anything with an USB connector, assumed that Poseidon clears the data caches before forwarding the work to the USB drivers but that's the responsibility of the driver itself. The USB device responded and acknowledged the transmission! But why were all the request sent after address change failing with timeout? They should not. Once again, address set is supported just by anything. Tried to contact the device at address 0 once again and there it was, still responding properly. The enlightenment came. The bus address for DMA transmissions was, as it is in many bare metal USB implementations, just the pure memory address of the buffer as seen by the ARM cpu. Have "prefixed" it with the real location of uncached RAM and booted AROS once again. Trident saw this: Product : Hub: Vdr=0424/PID=9514 Manufacturer: Standard Microsystems Corp. SerialNumber: n/a /Users/michal/git/AROS/rom/USB/poseidon/./poseidon.library.c:psd_20_psdEnumerateDevice/3092: USBVersion: 0200 Class : 9 SubClass : 0 DevProto : 2 VendorID : 1060 ProductID : 38164 DevVers : 0200 and this: Product : Vendor: Vdr=0424/PID=EC00 Manufacturer: Standard Microsystems Corp. SerialNumber: n/a /Users/michal/git/AROS/rom/USB/poseidon/./poseidon.library.c:psd_20_psdEnumerateDevice/3092: USBVersion: 0200 Class : 255 SubClass : 0 DevProto : 1 VendorID : 1060 ProductID : 60416 DevVers : 0200 and even this: Product : Hub: Vdr=0424/PID=9514 Manufacturer: Standard Microsystems Corp. SerialNumber: n/a /Users/michal/git/AROS/rom/USB/poseidon/./poseidon.library.c:psd_20_psdEnumerateDevice/3092: USBVersion: 0200 Class : 9 SubClass : 0 DevProto : 2 VendorID : 1060 ProductID : 38164 DevVers : 0200 What are these things? The first one is USB hub built in the Raspberry. Thanks to this one the Pi machines (with exception of Pi0 and computing modules) have more than just one single USB port. The second one is the network chip in raspberry, the third one is my USB SD card reader which have just connected to see what happens. AROS tried, of course, to boot from it ;) So, the first step towards working USB is done. The control transfers are working as you can see above. Next step is to implement bulk and interrupt transfers, having the basics in place. Finally some error handling will be added and USB for Pi will be as complete as the PC version. [http://www.raspyfi.com/raspberry-pi-usb-audio-fix/ Issue with USB Audio] Audio The Pi 4B is the only Pi that can output HD Audio as an HD Audio passthrough bitstream, and it does it over HDMI. It's possible to use the two HDMI output for separate HDMI video and HDMI audio outputs to allow UHD HDR video and HD Audio with non-UHD HDR compatible AVRs. The Pi3B+ and earlier will decode to PCM 5.1/7.1 and output over HDMI. HDMI is the only interconnect that has a standard for carrying Dolby True HD, DTS HD MA etc. as a bitstream - you can't carry it as a bitstream on any other interface. Pi3 and Pi4 audio jack output derived from 12bit pulse width modulation is relatively poor. For better, choose USB Audio or I2C versions. [https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/tree/rpi-patches/sound/arm audio] and its [https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/issues/2 very high speed message passing interface type of thing VCHI] The Model B+ added an additional voltage regulator for the audio output and an additional output driver to drive low-resistance loads like headphones. However it is still using pulse-width modulation (PWM), which has a major impact on sound quality the old Raspberry Pi used a linear voltage regulator to provide the 3.3V to many of the components on the board while the new one uses a switching regulator. Both can perform reasonably well. However switch mode power supplies often show higher noise figures Analogue audio Audio over HDMI rev 1.3 & 1.4 Ethernet 10/100 BaseT Ethernet RJ45 socket GPIO GPIO shouldn't be too bad but bear in mind it is already accessed in places so they would need to allocate pins etc through it (e.g. sdcard to flicker the activity light, serial debug to output data on the GPIO pins) Probably a resource rather than a device... Started an i2c driver that will need to allocate GPIO pins. Feel free to work on it if you are interested ;p GPU graphics with 2D and 3D acceleration Sadly none yet for 32bit but for 64bit... Miscellanous hdmi issues Setting the hdmi_force_hotplug=1 makes sure the Pi believes the monitor/TV is really there. You might also need to set config_hdmi_boost=4 or even higher (up to 9) if your display needs a stronger signal. If the display is a computer monitor or newer tv, use hdmi_group=1 (auto HDMI use) and if it is an older TV, try hdmi_group=2 (for DMT formats, i.e. for PC monitors) then you HAVE to "set hdmi_drive = 2 to enable HDMI output as this forces HDMI mode rather than DVI mode Do not set hdmi_safe=1 as that overrides many of the previous options. Using a shorter or better quality HDMI cable might help. Make sure your Pi's power supply delivers 1 A and not 500 mA. If you see a problem with the red colour - either absent, or interference - then try a boost composite video changing the RCA cable, then the composite port worked out of the box Boot it as you are doing, without HDMI. If you now plug in the HDMI, do you get the image? In other words, does the Pi think HDMI is connected even when it isn't? Rename all the files in the first partion of the card except bootcode.bin, start.elf and fixup.dat What's the result? Put back config.txt What's the result? for PAL mode sdtv_mode=2 dmi_ignore_hotplug Pretends HDMI hotplug signal is not asserted so it appears a HDMI display is not attached hdmi_ignore_hotplug=1 Use composite mode even if HDMI monitor is detected <pre> # NOOBS Auto-generated Settings: #hdmi_force_hotplug=1 #config_hdmi_boost=4 #overscan_left=24 #overscan_right=24 #overscan_top=16 #overscan_bottom=16 #disable_overscan=0 start_x=1 gpu_mem=128 </pre> tvservice -c "PAL 4:3" <pre> /opt/vc/bin/tvservice -s or tvservice -s state: HPD high|HDMI mode|HDCP off|composite off (0x12001a), 1920x1080 @ 60 Hz, progressive /opt/vc/bin/tvservice -m CEA Group CEA has 1 modes: (native) mode 16: 1920x1080 @ 60 Hz, progressive /opt/vc/bin/tvservice -m DMT Group DMT has 0 modes: </pre> sudo amixer cset numid=3 1 forces the audio to the headphone jack, even with the HDMI video output plugged in config.txt the hdmi_ignore_edid_audio=1 option sems relevant as it should tell ALSA that the only available audio is analog, no matter what the display says There are several different ways that these 4 pole (ring) composite analog cables can be wired up, so some work great in some applications and can be a waste of time in others. What is needed for the Raspberry Pi B+ and above, which like many camcorders needs the ring contact next to the base contact to be the ground. The wiring for the 4 pole are: TIP (LEFT AUDIO CHANNEL) RING 1 (RIGHT AUDIO CHANNEL) RING 2 (GROUND/EARTH) RING 3 BASE/SLEEVE (VIDEO) YELLOW Most Apple based Players and the Microsoft Zune (TM) are wired this way. Most analogue camcorders are wired this way as well, where the ground in on Ring 2 will work with the Pi although you may need to swap your Video plug with the Right Audio plug. Nearly all other MP3 players are not wired this way, the ground is on another ring ie the wrong one. External devices * Camera Module Omnivision ov5647 Sunny 5MP (NoIR version) V1.3 - NoIR at 850&nbsp;nm, peak at 880&nbsp;nm and trails off at 940&nbsp;nm wavelengths * Camera V2 Sony IMX219 V2.1 8mpixel 8MP 8megapixel - 3280 x 2464 pixels - video at 1080p30, 720p60 and 640x480p90 - wider field of view, 62 vs 54 degrees horizontally - * Branded WIFI usb BCM43143 dongle N.B. dreaded error after changing cameras (stupidly without turning off the power first) and lasted through several power cycles. It can be a bad 15-pin FFC ribbon cable, when swapped, camera(s) and the Pi itself are working OK. It can be an instance of a cold solder joint on the CSI connector on the pi board. the camera can be detected (that's done via I2C) but may still not be able to receive image data (done via CSI-2) if something is broken. CSI-2 is uni-directional. Control is generally done via I2C. The CSI-2 receiver always writes to memory, not direct to the ISP. That's the way the Broadcom architecture works as it allows multipass processing easily. GPU memory is accessible from the ARM. Processing using the QPU graphics processors may be possible. currently the only supported sensor is OV5647 and IMX219. The linux drivers are all in the firmware blob, else you'd be looking at at least a man-month of work in a fully fledged imaging lab to do a decent tuning of the camera modules' ISP parameters. Static electricity maybe an issue for the camera module and slightly less for the pi board. == References == ===Good sites to visit=== *[https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/master/ Raspberry Pi Firmware build] *[https://www.raspberrypi.com/documentation/computers/software-sources.html Documentation] *[https://rpilocator.com/ RPiLocator] Linux only *[https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux Raspberry Pi Linux Build] *[https://dietpi.com/ DietPi] *[http://www.tinycorelinux.net/ports.html piCore] *[https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi Alpine Linux] *[https://github.com/armbian/build Armbian] *[ FydeOS] *[ TwisterOS based on ChromiumOS] *[https://note.com/jamesmondo/n/nc76e31402be8?hl=en BSD] *[https://www.raspberrypi.com/software/operating-systems/ PiOS Lite] and then [https://hstwb.firstrealize.com/ HST] *[ PiMiga for pi4 and pi5] *[ amibian for pi2 and pi3] *[ retropie pi1 and 2] Other alternative lighter smaller than Pi OS *[https://aros.sourceforge.io/nightly1.html Aros 64bit ARMV8 single core] *[https://www.riscosopen.org/wiki/documentation/show/Welcome%20to%20RISC%20OS%20Pi RiscOS on Pi3 and Pi4] *[https://github.com/michalsc/Emu68 ARM based realtime JIT 68k for amiga computers] *[https://github.com/JJDSNT/bellatrix/releases/ Alternative use of Emu68 on Pi3b] *[https://github.com/stevereaver/uaos uaOS with Emu68k] *[https://github.com/aros-development-team/AROS/commit/f80a268607dfae81b2db94755ab4e4d31ccb72d6 m68kemu library reference] *[ HaikuOS] *[https://github.com/raspberrypi/noobs NOOBS] os loader with successor [https://github.com/procount/pinn PINN] *[https://github.com/maxnet/berryboot berryboot] *[https://github.com/brianwiddas/pi-baremetal Bare Metal Access on Pi 32bit] Testing procedure is put sd card in, connect board to board if necessary, plug in hdmi and then power nothing else is done especially CSI DSI etc [https://www.raspberrypi.com/documentation/computers/compute-module.html CM5] has the same 55mm x 40mm 2x100pin connectors form factor as the CM4 but [https://www.epdtonthenet.net/article/214508/Key-Considerations-When-Migrating-from-Raspberry-Pi-CM4-to-CM5.aspx some pins and other small things] have changed. Will need the [https://raspipcb.com/tech-blog/raspberry-pi-cm4-vs-cm5-difference-in-booting-from-sd-card/ right IO board to suit] *Green [ Raspberry Pi Compute Module 5 IO Board REV2 [https://pip.raspberrypi.com/categories/1097-raspberry-pi-compute-module-5-io-board SC1967]] - untested *Green [ RPi Compute Module 5 IO board REV1 [https://pip.raspberrypi.com/categories/1097-raspberry-pi-compute-module-5-io-board SC1751]] - untested *Black SupTronics Geekbord X1500 CM5 IO Carrier Board - untested *Black DeskPi Super6C Cluster Mini-ITX Board - untested *[https://sipeed.com/nanocluster Sipeed NanoCluster] - untested up to 7 CM5 *Green BentoIO CMX0 - untested *Box EDATec ED-CLAWBOX - untested *Home Assistant Yellow - Kit with PoE with Raspberry Pi Compute Module 5 - untested *Blue [https://www.waveshare.com/wiki/CM5_PoE_BASE_A Waveshare CM5-PoE-BASE-A] - untested *Box Waveshare [ CM5-POE-BOX-A] - untested *Blue [https://www.waveshare.com/wiki/CM5-IO-BASE-B Waveshare CM5-IO-BASE-B] - untested *Blue [https://www.waveshare.com/wiki/CM5-IO-BASE-A Waveshare CM5-IO-BASE-A] - untested *Blue Waveshare [https://www.waveshare.com/wiki/CM5-NANO-B CM5-NANO-B] - untested *[https://carboncomputers.us/products/pi-flux piFlux] *[https://carboncomputers.us/products/ Zitaotech Hackberry] CM5 lite only - *Portable [https://www.waveshare.com/pocketterm35.htm Waveshare PocketTerm35] with Pi4B or Pi5 - untested *Box [https://www.clockworkpi.com/uconsole ClockworkPi uConsole][https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtI_bAahbR8 CM4 into an adapter or CM3 into so-dimm - Cyberdeck] - untested *Green RPi [https://datasheets.raspberrypi.com/cm4io/CM4IO-KiCAD.zip Compute Module 4] [https://datasheets.raspberrypi.com/cm4io/cm4io-datasheet.pdf IO board] V1.4 [https://datasheets.raspberrypi.com/cm4io/CM4IOUSB3-KiCAD.zip USB3] [https://datasheets.raspberrypi.com/cm4io/cm4iousb3-appnote.pdf CM4ISO] [https://datasheets.raspberrypi.com/cm4/cm4-datasheet.pdf Dual100pin] (2020) aka Development Platform Board - untested *Purple Pi Hut Cytron CM4 Maker Board - untested *Black DeskPi Super6C Cluster Mini-ITX Board - untested *[ KubeSail PiBox mini 2] *Home Assistant Yellow with Raspberry Pi Compute Module 4 - untested *[ Turing Pi V2] - untested CM4 with 260-pin SO-DIMM socket adapters and/or nvidia jetson nanos - untested *Blue [https://www.waveshare.com/wiki/CM4-IO-BASE-C Waveshare CM4-IO-BASE-C] - untested but binary blobs Rev01 Rev02 *Blue [https://www.waveshare.com/wiki/CM4-IO-BASE-B Waveshare CM4-IO-BASE-B] - untested but binary blobs *Blue [https://www.waveshare.com/wiki/CM4-IO-BASE-A Waveshare CM4-IO-BASE-A] - untested but binary blobs *Blue [https://www.waveshare.com/wiki/CM4-NANO-B Waveshare CM4-NANO] - untested but usb and audio turned off or rerouted CM3 has a 200 pin sodimm ddr2 connector form factor but not electrically SC0028, SC0029 *Blue [https://wiki.geekworm.com/CM_IO_Board Geekworm RPi Compute Module IO Board] [https://github.com/geekworm-com/cm-io-board CSI DSI] with CM3 in ddr2 slot underside - '''works''' if SW1 on but CM3+ '''does not''' *Green [https://cdn-shop.adafruit.com/product-files/3442/CMIO_schematic.pdf RPi V3 IO board CM3IO] and CM3 Lite - untested *Green [https://turingpi.com/ turingpi v1 cluster] - untested up to 7 cm3 7xlan9514 12V discontinued, 3 x Pi4 homelab maybe better *Blue [https://www.waveshare.com/wiki/Compute_Module_PoE_Board Waveshare Compute Module PoE Board] and CM3 lite (if not lite, write files to internal eMMC fat32) '''AVOID''' bin blobs *Blue [https://www.waveshare.com/compute-module-io-board-plus.htm Waveshare Compute Module IO Board Plus] [https://www.waveshare.com/wiki/Compute_Module_IO_Board_Plus wiki] [https://forums.raspberrypi.com/viewtopic.php?t=235695 pin settings] with CM3+ Lite - '''AVOID''' binary blob *[ Pi02w on Geekworm SupTronics X305 Raspberry Pi Zero IO Baseboard] - untested *[ Spotpear Pi Zero 2w to Pi3b format-ish] - untested *[ pi-top v4] box has 128x64 oled display, micro hdmi, 19Whr battery with pi4 and 15V PD 36W min needed *[ pi-top v3] three green pieces, heatsink covers most of the base tray, pi-top hub mk1 lhs and Pi1B Pi2b Pi3b rhs secured from below, black rounded strip with pi-top above keyboard, 13.3" HD 1366 x 768 display, small touchpad, *[ pi-top Model 2.0] pi-top on bottom bezel of 14-inch green laptop, large trackpad, keyboard slide down to reveal main system hub on slide rails moved to the right, Raspberry Pi3b screws down, hub slides in, 18V 2.5A 45W charger brick, battery 11.1V 3500mAh 38.85Wh and storage PiTopOS *[ Pi-Top CEED Raspberry Pi Modular Educational Desktop with RPI3] monitor *[https://www.indiegogo.com/en/projects/jesselozano/pi-top-a-raspberry-pi-laptop-you-build-yourself Pi-Top v1] wedge laptop with RPi2 <pre> 2008 Trustees collected for Foundation 2009 Pi Foundation charity status gained 2010 2011 First Raspberry prototypes 2012 First boards go on sale at CPC and RS. The Model A and B 700 MHz Arm11 - February 29th BCM 2835 2012 First million sold - more than the 10,000 original planned and anticipated 2013 First Alpha Experimental builds of AROS Native for the 32bit Pi 2013 Pi Trading launched making grants available, providing in house educational resources and Pi Academy for teacher training 2013 Over two million sold 2014 Over three million sold 2014 Pi 1 Model B+ introduced that moved composite video to audio jack and same half gig of memory 2014 Pi Model A+ v1.1 no ethernet and 1 usb - a little smaller - 2015 Over four million first gen pis sold 2015 Pi Zero 1.2 BCM2835 first production revision released with no camera port 2016 Pi0 1.3 released with camera csi connector 2017 Pi Zero W v1.1 1GHz Pi0W, single-core 32bit CPU BCM2835 released with Cypress CYW43438 wireless 2020 Raspberry Pi Pico SC0919 with RP2040 32-bit 2Core ARM Cortex-M0+ up to 133 MHz - 264KB of SRAM and 2MB of on-board QSPI Flash - 2024 Raspberry Pi Pico 2 with RP2350 2Core 32bit Arm Cortex-M33 and 2core open-hardware [https://github.com/wren6991/hazard3 Hazard3 RISC-V] 2015 Pi 2 Model B v1.1 BCM2836 900/600 MHz ARM Cortex-A7 Armv7 quad 32bit, 32bit VideoCore IV GPU - 1Gb RAM - 5V 2A micro usb - SMSC LAN9514 chip - 2015 Over a million pi2s sold 2015 Raspberry Pi 2 Model B version 1.2 Pi2bv1.2, aka Pi2B2 has armv8 BCM2837 underclocked to 900Mhz without wifi/bluetooth module 2016 Pi 3 Model B - Broadcom BCM2837 SOC four 64bit ARMv8 Cortex-A53 1.2GHz 32bit 1080p VideoCore IV GPU - 1Gb DDR2 - bluetooth 4.1, Cypress CYW43438 wireless 802.11n - 4 x USB2.0 ports - 5.1V 2.5A - SMSC LAN9514 chip 2016 PIs total over 10 million worldwide 2017 Compute Module 3 CM3 with BCM2837B0 armv8 Quad 64-bit - small 67.6mm x 31mm board which fits DDR2 SODIMM connector but not electrically compatible which plugs into needed IO board - beware of the I2C protocol issue 1Gb LPDDR2 RAM - Lite or 4Gb Emmc storage 2017 12 million pis sold in total 2018 Pi 3 Model B+ - 4c A53 BCM2837B0 1.4Ghz - 1Gb, wireless 802.11ac, gigabit ethernet (300Mbit/s) and bluetooth 4.2 - power over ethernet - 4 x USB2.0 ports - Microchip LAN7515 chip 2019 Over 15 million sold 2019 Pi 3 Model A+ with BCM2837b0 Cortex-A53 64-bit SoC @ 1.4 GHz with 512Mb LPDDR2, 1 usb2, 1 hdmi, 1 micro usb 5V 2A - no ethernet - 2019 Raspberry Pi Compute Module 3+ CM3+ - Broadcom BCM2837B0 1.2Ghz, Cortex-A53 (ARMv8) 64-bit SoC on DDR2 SODIMM mechanically compatible only factor - IO board required 1Gb DDR2 and 8GB, 16GB, 32GB or a Lite variant without eMMC 2021 Pi zero 2 (w or no W) RP3A0 quad 1GHz Cortex-A53 64bit BCM2710A1 512mB SDRam 2025 edaTEC CM0 ED-CM0NANA with additional dev board with quad 1Ghz A53 with 512Mb Raysan RAM, 2 USB2 and 10/100 ethernet - pico castellated edge 2019 Pi 4 Model B RPI4B - BCM2711B0T quad 64bit A72 1.5GHz, 4K VideoCore VI, AC wifi, Bluetooth 5.0, GbE Broadcom BCM54213PE (PHY ID 0x600d84a2), 2 micro hdmi decode up to 4K, USB-C 5.1V 3A power, 2xVLI VL805 USB 3, 2xUSB 2.0, 2GB 9LDWW D9WHZ or 4GB 9FDWW D9WHV, 8GB 0AA47 D9ZCL ddr4 ram 2020 Silent Pi 4 v1.2 upgrade with more USB-c psu support 2020 PI400 BCM2711C0T 1.8GHz 4Gb DDR4 inside keyboard, 5.1V 5A 27W usb-c psu, 2 micro hdmi, external ide style 40pin gpio, no audio port - 2020 Raspberry Pi Compute Module 4 BCM2711B0T on new 55mm x 40mm 2x100 pin form factor with extra breakout IO board CM4101000 1Gb RAM Lite SOM CM4102000 2GB RAM Lite CM4104000 4GB RAM Lite CM4004008-4GB-RAM 8GB-EMMC SOM System on Modules CM4104032 4GB RAM 32GB emmc CM4108000 8GB RAM Lite CM4008016 8GB RAM 16Gb eMMc 2021 Raspberry Pi SC0763 Compute Module 4S CM4S with ddr2 sodimm pinouts but not electrically the same with suitable IO board extra cost - CM4S01000 1GB RAM Lite CM4S01008 1GB RAM 8GB eMMC Flash CM4S02000 2GB RAM Lite CM4S04000 4GB RAM Lite CM4S08000 8GB RAM Lite 2021 Pi 4 v1.4 BCM2711B1 upgraded power regulator, to deal with 8gig of ram being more power hungry - 2021-48 Raspberry Pi 4 model B v1.5 2GB 2023 Pi 5 v1.0 BCM2712 Quad A76 @2.4Ghz - VideoCore VII - no audio socket - dual 4k from mini hdmi - fan connector - 5.1V 5A psu 2024 Pi 5 2GB DDR4 version uses BCM2712D0 2024 Pi-500 with 8Gb LPDDR5 and membrane keyboard 2024 Pi 5 v1.1 2024 Raspberry Pi Compute Module 5 CM5 BCM2712 55mm x 40mm form factor with additional IO board CM5004000 04GB RAM 0GB eMMC Lite CM5008000 08GB RAM 0GB eMMC Lite CM5016000 16GB RAM 0GB eMMC Lite 2025 Pi-500+ with 256GB NVMe storage, 16GB LPDDR4 RAM, and Gateron KS-33 Low Profile Blue mechanical keyboard switches 2025 Pi5 1GB DDR4 announced 2022 PiOS linux goes 64bit 2024 Pi Trading IPO stockmarket stock exchange listing 2026 April and May Aros 64bit fixed, added AHI audio, VC4 gfx started, usb functions added to rom 2026 June and July Aros 64bit usb2otg started, dma.resource, sdio.resource, bwfm.device wifi added 2026 Late July daily 64bit Pi3 LE little endian builds start 2026 August Pi 4, 400, 5 and 500 DTBs added, expanding existing support and wifi for Pi4 and Pi5 2026 August Pi5 HAT+ nvme and HDMI, AHI RPiI2S added, Pi4 HVS5 video scaler started, 2026 2027 2028 Pi 6 </pre> ==Future== [https://github.com/ARMSX2/ARMSX2 Arm pi of pcsx2] {{BookCat}} d1gcnqnomxwjgrurba05g4egwr54vkm 0 290700 4671662 4070913 2026-09-21T23:31:10Z WereSpielChequers 248949 typo 4671662 wikitext text/x-wiki {{DISPLAYTITLE:Summary of '''The Causes of World War I'''}}__NOTOC__ == Franco-Prussian War (1870−1871) == <onlyinclude>{{#ifeq:{{{transcludesection|Franco-Prussian War (1870−1871)}}}|Franco-Prussian War (1870−1871)| * The Prussians hoped to consolidate the smaller states into a new German state; creating a dominant new power head within Europe (as threat to Austria). * The Prussian Army humiliated France in these Franco-Prussian wars. This was as a result of the effective modern '''technology''' such as railways. * France lost the territory of '''Alsace-Lorraine''' and had to pay an '''indemnity''' of 5,000 million marks. * '''Germany was a new power''' of Europe and France suffered from '''political and socio-economic problems''' following their defeat. [[IB_History/Route_2/Causes,_Practices,_and_Effects_of_Wars/The_Results_of_World_War_I#The terms of the Treaty of Versailles|This spurred later revenge]]. }}</onlyinclude> ==Characteristics of Great European Powers c. 1900== ===Germany=== <onlyinclude>{{#ifeq:{{{transcludesection|German Characteristics c. 1900}}}|German Characteristics c. 1900| * Germany was a democratic monarchy that had a German parliament, The Reichstag, that held limited powers. * After the Franco-Prussian War, it was the strongest industrial power in Europe, overtaking Britain. * Suffered from socio-economic problems from the large working class as a result of rapid industrialisation. * Germany wanted to pursue imperialism and wanted to develop its empire into an overseas empire (colonies in Africa). * One country stood in its way, Britain. }}</onlyinclude> ===France=== <onlyinclude>{{#ifeq:{{{transcludesection|French Characteristics c. 1900}}}|French Characteristics c. 1900| * France was a democratic republic with extensive civil liberties. * Agriculturally based with most civilians living in rural areas. * Wealthy, and had a large empire. * Economically unstable as a result of the "swinging economy" before "pacifist" left and "revanchist" right wing parties. * Wanted Alsace-Lorraine back from Germany. }}</onlyinclude> ===Britain=== <onlyinclude>{{#ifeq:{{{transcludesection|British Characteristics c. 1900}}}|British Characteristics c. 1900| * Established parliamentary democracy; monarchy retained limited powers. * Built a vast overseas empire as a result of early industrial revolution - the most powerful international trade of the 19th century. * The turn of the century meant that the USA and Germany had overtaken in industrial production strength. * Followed a policy of "Splendid Isolation" in order to circumvent conflicts with other nations. * Its great navy meant Britain could not attack, only defend and its Navy was the source of its strength. }}</onlyinclude> ===Austria-Hungary=== <onlyinclude>{{#ifeq:{{{transcludesection|Austria-Hungarian Characteristics c. 1900}}}|Austria-Hungarian Characteristics c. 1900| * A dual monarchy that had two heavily bureaucratic and inefficient parliaments. * Lacked military strength and felt national liberation from states within its empire as a consequence of the growing nationalist forces and ambitions rising within Europe. * The Slavic people strived fro independence from the Ottomans and wished to unite with the Habsburg Empire. * "A multi-national European empire within the age of nationalism." * Russia was the great defender of the Slavic people. }}</onlyinclude> ===Russia=== <onlyinclude>{{#ifeq:{{{transcludesection|Russian Characteristics c. 1900}}}|Russian Characteristics c. 1900| * An autocratic divine monarchy with the Tsar being perceived as having been appointed by God. * Heavily bureaucratic and ineffective government with rapid (and outdated) industrialisation and large work force classed as peasants. * Russian revolution of 1905 after the disastrous war against Japan. Nothing improved, Russian people were unhappy at the turn of the century. * Wanted Slavic nationalism in the Balkans to establish its own influence and wanted to prevent Austro-Hungarian expansion. }}</onlyinclude> ===Turkey=== <onlyinclude>{{#ifeq:{{{transcludesection|Turkish Characteristics c. 1900}}}|Turkish Characteristics c. 1900| * Turkey was the 'sick man of Europe' whose regime was corrupt and ineffective. * Many revolts by nationalist and Islamic groups could not be contained and its weakness was exploited for commercial interest by other European powers. * The Sultan was overthrown in 1909 by the "Young Turks" a group who wished to modernise Turkey. * Many European Powers saw the slow decay of the Ottoman empire a threat as a result of the "power vacuum" that would occur. * Emphasis on modernising and promotion of self-government was to occur. Austria-Hungary did not like this. }}</onlyinclude> ==Long-term causes of World War I== ===Bismarck's web of alliances=== <onlyinclude>{{#ifeq:{{{transcludesection|Bismarck's web of alliances}}}|Bismarck's web of alliances| * After its economic, military, and imperial potential, many powers in Europe began to feel nervous. * Germany had to consolidate its new position in Europe, and Germany's chancellor '''Otto von Bismarck''' wanted to create a web of alliances to protect Germany from future attack. * The ''Three Emperors' League (1887)'' or ''Dreikaiserbund'' joined Germany, Russia, and Austria-Hungary. * The ''Dual Alliance (1879)'' helped fix the collapsed Dreikaiserbund after Russia came into conflict in the Balkans with Austria-Hungary. * The ''Three Emperors' Alliance (1881)'' renewed the Dreikaiserbund with Russia. * The ''Triple Alliance (1882)'' allied Germany with Austria-Hungary and Italy. * The ''Reinsurance Treaty (1887)'', much like the Dual Alliance, served to piece together problems after problems in the Balkans in 1885. }}</onlyinclude> ===The New Course and Weltpolitik=== <onlyinclude>{{#ifeq:{{{transcludesection|The New Course and Weltpolitik}}}|The New Course and Weltpolitik| * The young and ambitious new '''Kaiser Wilhelm II''' and new chancellor '''Leo von Caprivi''' took German foreign policy on a 'new course' that would destroy Bismarck's web of alliances. * German policy makers from the mid 1890s began to look beyond Europe in the hope to make Germany a colonial power with an overseas empire and navy. * Such policies would divert German population away from social and political problems at home. }}</onlyinclude> ===Imperialism=== <onlyinclude>{{#ifeq:{{{transcludesection|Imperialism}}}|Imperialism| * One of the major causes of tension between the European powers in 1880–1905 was colonial rivalries. * The effort of building their empires was initially driven by economic motives (cheap raw materials, new markets, low-cost labour). * Over time, however, it became a mixture of Social Darwinism. }}</onlyinclude> ===The emergence of the Alliance System=== <onlyinclude>{{#ifeq:{{{transcludesection|The emergence of the Alliance System}}}|The emergence of the Alliance System| * Weltpolitik brought Germany in to trouble and '''Admiral von Tripitz''', Secretary of State for the Navy shared the Kaiser's beliefs. * '''von Tripitz''' thought Germany should mount a naval challenge to Britain, and pushed the Naval Law through the Reichstag. * Britain's position of ''Splendid Isolation'' was no longer appropriate or useful, and sought security through Alliances as a result of its threat to its naval supremacy. * After Russia, France, and Britain were joined together in the ''Triple Entente'', Germany was 'encircled'. * Europe was now divided into two main alliance systems; the ''Triple Entente'' and the ''Triple Alliance''. }}</onlyinclude> ===The naval race=== <onlyinclude>{{#ifeq:{{{transcludesection|The naval race}}}|The naval race| * Britain's threat lead to the launch of a super-battleship known as the HMS Dreadnought. * The irony of its creation was that it nullified Britain's historical naval advantage as it made all other British battleships obsolete. * Competitors began constructing similar ships and this triggered a 'naval scare' in the winter of 1908–09. * The naval race changed the mood in Britain, and as '''Normal Lowe''' observes, ''Britain's willingness to go to war in 1914 owed a lot to the tensions generated by the naval race''. }}</onlyinclude> ===The situation in the Balkans=== <onlyinclude>{{#ifeq:{{{transcludesection|The situation in the Balkans}}}|The situation in the Balkans| * The Balkans was a very unstable area that contributed to the tension in Europe before 1914. * Turkey, once ruler of the entire Balkans, was now impotent, and many Serbs, Greeks, and Bulgars had already revolted and set up independent states. * The Austrians lost grip of their multi-ethnic empire, and Slavs within the country wanted to break away. Serbia was thus seen as a threat to Austria-Hungary. * Russia saw itself as the champion of the Slav people and wanted the striats of Constantinople to be kept open for ships to move from the Mediterranean to the Black Sea. * A tariff war began in 1905–06 that dragged France in for financial support. The new Russophile King Peter believed an aggressive foreign policy would demonstrate that Austria still had power. }}</onlyinclude> ==Short-term causes: the crisis years (1905-13)== ===The First Moroccan (Tangier) Crisis (1905)=== <onlyinclude>{{#ifeq:{{{transcludesection|The First Moroccan (Tangier) Crisis (1905)}}}|The First Moroccan (Tangier) Crisis (1905)| * Germany was worried by the new relationship between Britain and France and set to break it. * As part of the entente, Britain supported a French takeover of Morocco in return for France recognising British Egypt. * Germany had not gained notable concessions in North Africa, which was a failure for Weltpolitik and a blow for German pride. * Germany had not undermined the Entente Cordiale - they had strengthened it. * Several states had considered war as a possible outcome of the crisis, thus signalling an end to the relatively long period of peaceful relations in Europe. * ''Germany was now seen as the key threat to British interests''. }}</onlyinclude> ===The Bosnian Crisis (1908)=== <onlyinclude>{{#ifeq:{{{transcludesection|The Bosnian Crisis (1908)}}}|The Bosnian Crisis (1908)| * Following the Tangier Crisis, the Anglo-Russian Entente of 1907 was signed which confirmed conspiracy of 'encirclement' around Germany. * This fear force Germany and Austria-Hungary into a closer relationship. * An internal crisis in the Ottoman Empire led Austria-Hungary to annex two provinces of Bosnia, which outrage in Serbia, that caused Germany to stand 'shoulder to shoulder' with its Ally, and recognise the annexation. * Russia, which had supported Serbia, suffered another international humiliation following its defeat from Japan. This meant that Russia was unlikely to back down from another crisis, in order to retain political stability and international influence. * Russia began rearming. * The alliance between Germany and Austria-Hungary appeared stronger than commitments of the Triple Entente. * Germany had opted to encourage Austro-Hungarian expansion. }}</onlyinclude> ===The Second Moroccan (Agadir) Crisis (1911)=== <onlyinclude>{{#ifeq:{{{transcludesection|The Second Moroccan (Agadir) Crisis (1911)}}}|The Second Moroccan (Agadir) Crisis (1911)| * Germany misinterpreted a French move in suppressing a revolt that had broken out in Morocco as a takeover; hence making ambitious and assertive claims that was popular back in Germany. * Germany's 'gunboat diplomacy' was seen as a threat of war by Britain, and '''David Lloyd George''' gave a speech (the ''Mansion House Speech'') to warn Germany off. * Germany received two strips of the French Congo and increase the tension and hostility between Germany and Britain. * German public opinion was hostile to the settlement and critical of their government's handling of the crisis; ''a failure of Weltpolitik''. * The entente between Britain and France was again strengthened. }}</onlyinclude> ===The First Balkan War (1912)=== <onlyinclude>{{#ifeq:{{{transcludesection|The First Balkan War (1912)}}}|The First Balkan War (1912)| * The Balkan League, forced by the Russians and consisting of Serbia, Greece, and Montenegro, sought to force Turkey from the Balkans by dividing Macedonia. * Turkey was already weak as a result of the war between Italy over Totalitarian. * Austria could not accept a stronger Serbia, and Russia would support its ally. * The nervous '''Sir Edward Grey''', British Foreign Secretary, managed to execute the Balkan Leagues goal and contain Austria-Hungary. * This agreement, however, still caused resentment. }}</onlyinclude> ===The Second Balkan War (1913)=== <onlyinclude>{{#ifeq:{{{transcludesection|The Second Balkan War (1913)}}}|The Second Balkan War (1913)| * Due to the spoils of the First Balkan War, a second war broke out in July 1913. * The Bulgarians felt as though there were to many Bulgarians living in Serbia and Greece, and thus attacked. * Serbia was again successful. This fact encouraged the already strong nationalist feeling within Serbia. * Serbia had doubled in size as a result of the two Balkan wars. * Serbia had proved itself militarily, and had an army of 200,000 men. * Serbia's victories were diplomatic success for Russia, and encouraged Russia to stand by its ally. * Austria-Hungary was now convinced that it needed to crush Serbia. * By association, the outcome of the two wars was a diplomatic defeat for Germany, which now drew ever closer to Austria-Hungary. }}</onlyinclude> ===The international situation by 1913=== <onlyinclude>{{#ifeq:{{{transcludesection|The international situation by 1913}}}|The international situation by 1913| * The crises of 1905-13 had seen a marked deterioration in international relations. * Each crisis had passed without a major European war, nevertheless increased tension between the two alliance blocs in Europe and also created greater instability in the Balkans. * War was by no means inevitable at this stage, however. }}</onlyinclude> ==Other developments, 1900-13== <onlyinclude>{{#ifeq:{{{transcludesection|X}}}|X| }}</onlyinclude> ===The will to make war=== <onlyinclude>{{#ifeq:{{{transcludesection|The will to make war}}}|The will to make war| * Literature, the press, and education portrayed war as short and heroic. * Nationalism had become aggressive in major states, and this trend was encouraged by popular press, which exaggerated international incidents. * '''James Joll''' indicated that "''the reactions of ordinary people in the crisis of 1914 were the result of the history they had learnt at school''". }}</onlyinclude> ===The arms race and militarism=== <onlyinclude>{{#ifeq:{{{transcludesection|The arms race and militarism}}}|The arms race and militarism| * Between 1870 and 1914, military spending by European powers increased by 300 percent. * Although some attempts were made to stop arms build-up, for instance, the '''conference of The Hague in 1899 and 1907'''. * However, '''no limits''' on production or war practices were agreed upon. }}</onlyinclude> ===War plans=== <onlyinclude>{{#ifeq:{{{transcludesection|War plans}}}|War plans| * Every European power made detailed plans regarding what to do should war break out. * The reduced flexibility of the alliance system greatly deteriorated Germany's Schlieffen Plan, which had implications with the Triple Entente - it would end up fighting a two-front war. }}</onlyinclude> ==The immediate causes of the war: July Crisis (1914)== <onlyinclude>{{#ifeq:{{{transcludesection|The immediate causes of the war: July Crisis (1914)}}}|The immediate causes of the war: July Crisis (1914)| * There was optimism that should another conflict in the Balkans erupt, it would be contained locally. * Archduke Franz Ferdinand, symbol of the Austria-Hungarian regime, was assassinated on the 28th of June 1914, by Gavrilo Princip, part of the Black Hand movement. * Germany came to Austria-Hungary's assistance, and issued a ''blank cheque'' on the 5th of July 1914, that guaranteed unconditional support. * Austria-Hungary took the opportunity to impose a severe ultimatum on Serbia a month later; hence seeming calculated. * Serbia accepted all but one term of the harsh ultimatum, however, Austria-Hungary claimed it was too late and declared war on Serbia. * Russia ordered a general mobilisation (for intimidation and preparation) on the 30th of July; causing Germany to declare war on Russia, and France (upon demands for neutrality that were rejected). * Germany passed through Belgium to attack France, Britain upheld the 1839 treaty with Belgium and declared war on Germany. }}</onlyinclude> ==What was the contribution of each of the European Powers during the July Crisis to the outbreak of war?== ===Germany=== <onlyinclude>{{#ifeq:{{{transcludesection|Germany's contribution to the July Crisis}}}|Germany's contribution to the July Crisis| * The Kaiser had encouraged the Austro-Hungarians to seize the opportunity to attack Serbia on the 5th of July with the Blank Cheque. * Russia's military modernisations were increasing the country's potential for mobilisation, and this would undermine the Schlieffen Plan. * German generals, such as '''von Moltke''' believed that it was a favourable time for war. * War would provide a good distraction, and unifying effect, to overcome rising domestic problems in Germany. * War would improve the popularity of the Kaiser. * '''John Lowe''' observed that Russia did not want a major war, and its mobilisation was a sign for preparation rather than the declaration that Germany had misinterpreted. }}</onlyinclude> ===Austria-Hungary=== <onlyinclude>{{#ifeq:{{{transcludesection|Austria-Hungary's contribution to the July Crisis}}}|Austria-Hungary's contribution to the July Crisis| * Austria-Hungary exaggerated the potential threat of Serbia and saw the assassination as an opportunity to 'eliminate Serbia as a potential factor in the Balkans'. * It delayed its response to Serbia, and added tension to the July Crisis. * ''It was the first to declare war'' on Serbia on the 28th of July. * It refused to halt its military actions though negotiations with Russia were scheduled for the 30th of July. }}</onlyinclude> ===Russia=== <onlyinclude>{{#ifeq:{{{transcludesection|Russia's contribution to the July Crisis}}}|Russia's contribution to the July Crisis| * Russia wanted to prove itself after its defeat in the Russo-Japanese War of 1905, it acted as an ally to support Serbia; thus not restrain Serb nationalism. * Its mobilisation triggered a general European war. }}</onlyinclude> ===France=== <onlyinclude>{{#ifeq:{{{transcludesection|France's contribution to the July Crisis}}}|France's contribution to the July Crisis| * After its ignominious defeat in 1871, it did not want to provoke a general war. * France was swept into a war, and did not have any say. }}</onlyinclude> ===Britain=== <onlyinclude>{{#ifeq:{{{transcludesection|Britain's contribution to the July Crisis}}}|Britain's contribution to the July Crisis| * '''Luigi Albertini''' argues that Britain should have never made it clear it would stand 'shoulder to shoulder' with the French which may have deterred the Schlieffen Plan. * Britain should have made its position clear during the July Crisis. * '''John Lowe''' points out that Britain's talks with Russia in 1914 confirmed Germany's suspicion of a "ring of encirclement". }}</onlyinclude> ==Historiography== <onlyinclude>{{#ifeq:{{{transcludesection|Historiography}}}|Historiography| * The German Foreign Office was already preparing documents from their archives attempting to prove that all belligerents states were to blame. * Other governments felt the same urge and produced their own volumes of archives. * '''Lloyd George, writing in his memoirs in the 1930s, explained that "the nations slithered over the bring into the boiling cauldron of war."''' * '''S. B. Fay''' and '''H. E. Barnes''' were two American historians who supported the revisions arguments put forward by Germany regarding the causes of World War I. * '''Luigi Albertini''' wrote a thorough and coherent response to the revisions arguments in the 1940s and put forward Austria-Hungary and Germany as responsible for war in the immediate term. }}</onlyinclude> ===Fritz Fischer=== <onlyinclude>{{#ifeq:{{{transcludesection|Fritz Fischer}}}|Fritz Fischer| * Fischer's argument focused the responsibility on Germany. * He discovered the '''September Programme''' written by '''German Chancellor Bethmann-Hollweg''', dated 9th of September 1914, which described Germany's aims for dominating Europe. * He also indicated that the War Council of 1912 proved that Germany planned to launch a continent war in 1914, where ''von Moltke'' had indicated "war is inevitable and sooner the better." * Fischer's argument is ''persuasive'' as he links longer-term policies from 1897 to short- and immediate-term actions in the July Crisis. * However, Fischer's arguments have been criticised as a result of his limited evidence of the December War Council. * Furthermore, it can be argued that German policy lacked coherency in the decade before 1914. }}</onlyinclude> ===After Fischer=== <onlyinclude>{{#ifeq:{{{transcludesection|After Fischer}}}|After Fischer| * Conservative German Historian '''Gerhard Ritter''' rejected Fischer's view in the 1960s. * '''Immanuel Geiss''' Defended Fischer by publishing his own book of German documents undermining the revisionist arguments in the 1920s. * '''Ruth Henig''' indicated that German desire to profit diplomatically and militarily from the crisis widened its containment from an Eastern Europe one to a continental and war. }}</onlyinclude> ===John Keegan=== <onlyinclude>{{#ifeq:{{{transcludesection|John Keegan}}}|John Keegan| * War was ''not'' inevitable despite the long- and short-term tension in Europe. * The key to Keegan's theory is the ''lack of communication'' during the July Crisis. * He indicates that Austria-Hungary wanted to punish Serbia, but lacked the courage to act alone, and this was not communicated. * Also, Germany had wanted diplomatic success that would leave Austria-Hungary a stronger ally. Germany, also, did not want a full European war. * Russia only wanted to support Serbia * France did not mobilise and was worried about Germany * Britain only awoke to the dangers of the July Crisis on the 25th of July, and hoped Russia could tolerate Serbia's punishments. * The Serbs had been forgotten after the incompatible nations began to break the tangled web of alliances. }}</onlyinclude> ===James Joll=== <onlyinclude>{{#ifeq:{{{transcludesection|James Joll}}}|James Joll| * Joll suggests an atmosphere of intense tension was created by impersonal forces in the long- and short-terms with the personal decisions made in the July Crisis that led to war. * Personal expansionist aims versus capitalism. * Various war plans as developed by governments versus international anarchy. * Calculated decisions versus alliances. }}</onlyinclude> ===Niall Ferguson=== <onlyinclude>{{#ifeq:{{{transcludesection|Niall Ferguson}}}|Niall Ferguson| * Ferguson suggests that Germany was moving away from militaristic tenancies prior to World War I. * He argues that German Social Democrat Party was on a rise and that influenced the Kaiser's regime. * Britain had misinterpreted German ambitious and decided to act on impede German expansionism. * War was not inevitable in 1913, despite militarism, imperialism, and secret diplomacy. }}</onlyinclude> {{BookCat}} pay4k86kj4hgg6l4cyk9bufk7ui2dze 0 291672 4671633 4466252 2026-09-21T17:12:44Z It-is-Truly-Meet 3624460 /* Article */ 4671633 wikitext text/x-wiki ====Glossary of Grammatical Terms==== As some of you may not have a solid grounding in English grammar, either due to the fault of your educational system or because English is not your first language, it is important to have a solid set of definitions to reference while learning Ancient Greek. I am hoping, ultimately, to link grammatical terms (at least the first time that they appear) to the glossary for your convenience. Alternatively, you can read this section first to make sure you are familiar with the basic structure. Please note: at the moment, this is an evolving piece of work. Hopefully, it will soon be full of references, but if not please add the necessary entries (or comment asking someone else to add them). == Noun == *'''Basic Definition''': a noun is a person, place, or thing. e.g. ''man'', ''room'', and ''table'' are all nouns. *Subcategories **'''Proper noun''': a proper noun refers to a specific person, place, or organization and is indicated by the capitalization of its initial letter; e.g. ''Socrates'', ''Athens'', or the ''Lyceum''. **'''Abstract Noun''': an abstract noun refers to a concept rather than an actual physical person place, or thing; e.g. ''justice''. == Adjective == *'''Basic Definition''': a descriptor that modifies or is grammatically linked to a noun, e.g. ''red''. **Adjectives can modify nouns directly (e.g. the ''red'' ball rolls). This is called an '''attributive adjective'''. Alternatively, adjectives can be linked to the noun by a linking verb,<ref>See ''linking verb'' below</ref> e.g. Socrates is ''smart''. In the latter case, ''smart'' is a '''predicate adjective''' (also known as a '''predicate nominative'''). ***In English, adjectives modify nouns based upon word order. '''Attributive adjectives''' modify then noun that they directly precede while '''predicate adjectives''' follow a linking verb. In Ancient Greek, the word order does matter, but it is more flexible because Greek is '''inflected''' language. As such, the endings of the words ('''case endings''') establish the relationship between noun and adjective as well as word order. There is still, however, a marked word order difference between '''attributive adjectives''' and '''predicated adjectives''': ****'''Attributive adjectives''' may *****come between the article and the noun: *****come after the article when the article follows the noun: *****come after the article when the article is repeated both before and after the noun: ****'''Predicate adjectives''' may ****come in any other position in the sentence beside one of these three. One common predicate adjective position is as follows: == Article == An article, abbreviated {{sc|art.}}, is any of a small set of words or '''affixes''' (such as ''a(n)'' and ''the'' in English) used with nouns to limit or give '''definiteness''' to the application. These words represent a specific object, depending on the situation, but ''a'' is less specific than ''the''. Articles combine with nouns to form noun phrases and typically specify the grammatical definiteness of the noun phrase. In English, "''the''" and "''a''" are the definite and indefinite articles, respectively. Ancient Greek articles, however, also carry additional grammatical information such as gender, number, and case of the nouns they accompany, but are '''only definite'''. Articles are part of a broader category called '''determiners''', which also include demonstratives, possessive determiners, and quantifiers. == Pronoun == == Verb == == Adverb == == Conjunction == ==References== {{reflist}} {{BookCat}} tpjc9aefri9ea4x6ehcxe8qxt2yekjb 4671636 4671633 2026-09-21T17:45:46Z It-is-Truly-Meet 3624460 /* Noun */ 4671636 wikitext text/x-wiki ====Glossary of Grammatical Terms==== As some of you may not have a solid grounding in English grammar, either due to the fault of your educational system or because English is not your first language, it is important to have a solid set of definitions to reference while learning Ancient Greek. I am hoping, ultimately, to link grammatical terms (at least the first time that they appear) to the glossary for your convenience. Alternatively, you can read this section first to make sure you are familiar with the basic structure. Please note: at the moment, this is an evolving piece of work. Hopefully, it will soon be full of references, but if not please add the necessary entries (or comment asking someone else to add them). == Noun == *'''Definition''': a noun is a person, place, or thing (e.g. ''man'', ''room'', and ''table''). **'''Common Noun''': general name for nouns. The word ''person'' could refer to any person. The word ''city'' could refer to any city. Common nouns aren’t capitalized unless they’re the first word in a sentence. **'''Proper Noun''': a proper noun refers to a '''specific''' person, place, or organization and is indicated by the capitalization of its initial letter; e.g. ''Socrates'', ''Athens'', or the ''Lyceum''. **'''Concrete Noun''': any person, place, thing, or animal that you can '''experience''' with your '''five senses''' (e.g., ''aroma'' is concrete, as you can detect with smell). **'''Abstract Noun''': an abstract noun refers to a concept rather than an actual physical person place, or thing; e.g. ''justice''. **'''Collective Noun''': a word that names a group of people, animals, or things, like a bunch of grapes (ἀσταφίς) or age-mates (ἡλικία). == Adjective == *'''Basic Definition''': a descriptor that modifies or is grammatically linked to a noun, e.g. ''red''. **Adjectives can modify nouns directly (e.g. the ''red'' ball rolls). This is called an '''attributive adjective'''. Alternatively, adjectives can be linked to the noun by a linking verb,<ref>See ''linking verb'' below</ref> e.g. Socrates is ''smart''. In the latter case, ''smart'' is a '''predicate adjective''' (also known as a '''predicate nominative'''). ***In English, adjectives modify nouns based upon word order. '''Attributive adjectives''' modify then noun that they directly precede while '''predicate adjectives''' follow a linking verb. In Ancient Greek, the word order does matter, but it is more flexible because Greek is '''inflected''' language. As such, the endings of the words ('''case endings''') establish the relationship between noun and adjective as well as word order. There is still, however, a marked word order difference between '''attributive adjectives''' and '''predicated adjectives''': ****'''Attributive adjectives''' may *****come between the article and the noun: *****come after the article when the article follows the noun: *****come after the article when the article is repeated both before and after the noun: ****'''Predicate adjectives''' may ****come in any other position in the sentence beside one of these three. One common predicate adjective position is as follows: == Article == An article, abbreviated {{sc|art.}}, is any of a small set of words or '''affixes''' (such as ''a(n)'' and ''the'' in English) used with nouns to limit or give '''definiteness''' to the application. These words represent a specific object, depending on the situation, but ''a'' is less specific than ''the''. Articles combine with nouns to form noun phrases and typically specify the grammatical definiteness of the noun phrase. In English, "''the''" and "''a''" are the definite and indefinite articles, respectively. Ancient Greek articles, however, also carry additional grammatical information such as gender, number, and case of the nouns they accompany, but are '''only definite'''. Articles are part of a broader category called '''determiners''', which also include demonstratives, possessive determiners, and quantifiers. == Pronoun == == Verb == == Adverb == == Conjunction == ==References== {{reflist}} {{BookCat}} 6bsg8t7jft7cz3pukofznwmyhyp4q3m 4671639 4671636 2026-09-21T17:58:20Z It-is-Truly-Meet 3624460 /* Pronoun */ 4671639 wikitext text/x-wiki ====Glossary of Grammatical Terms==== As some of you may not have a solid grounding in English grammar, either due to the fault of your educational system or because English is not your first language, it is important to have a solid set of definitions to reference while learning Ancient Greek. I am hoping, ultimately, to link grammatical terms (at least the first time that they appear) to the glossary for your convenience. Alternatively, you can read this section first to make sure you are familiar with the basic structure. Please note: at the moment, this is an evolving piece of work. Hopefully, it will soon be full of references, but if not please add the necessary entries (or comment asking someone else to add them). == Noun == *'''Definition''': a noun is a person, place, or thing (e.g. ''man'', ''room'', and ''table''). **'''Common Noun''': general name for nouns. The word ''person'' could refer to any person. The word ''city'' could refer to any city. Common nouns aren’t capitalized unless they’re the first word in a sentence. **'''Proper Noun''': a proper noun refers to a '''specific''' person, place, or organization and is indicated by the capitalization of its initial letter; e.g. ''Socrates'', ''Athens'', or the ''Lyceum''. **'''Concrete Noun''': any person, place, thing, or animal that you can '''experience''' with your '''five senses''' (e.g., ''aroma'' is concrete, as you can detect with smell). **'''Abstract Noun''': an abstract noun refers to a concept rather than an actual physical person place, or thing; e.g. ''justice''. **'''Collective Noun''': a word that names a group of people, animals, or things, like a bunch of grapes (ἀσταφίς) or age-mates (ἡλικία). == Adjective == *'''Basic Definition''': a descriptor that modifies or is grammatically linked to a noun, e.g. ''red''. **Adjectives can modify nouns directly (e.g. the ''red'' ball rolls). This is called an '''attributive adjective'''. Alternatively, adjectives can be linked to the noun by a linking verb,<ref>See ''linking verb'' below</ref> e.g. Socrates is ''smart''. In the latter case, ''smart'' is a '''predicate adjective''' (also known as a '''predicate nominative'''). ***In English, adjectives modify nouns based upon word order. '''Attributive adjectives''' modify then noun that they directly precede while '''predicate adjectives''' follow a linking verb. In Ancient Greek, the word order does matter, but it is more flexible because Greek is '''inflected''' language. As such, the endings of the words ('''case endings''') establish the relationship between noun and adjective as well as word order. There is still, however, a marked word order difference between '''attributive adjectives''' and '''predicated adjectives''': ****'''Attributive adjectives''' may *****come between the article and the noun: *****come after the article when the article follows the noun: *****come after the article when the article is repeated both before and after the noun: ****'''Predicate adjectives''' may ****come in any other position in the sentence beside one of these three. One common predicate adjective position is as follows: == Article == An article, abbreviated {{sc|art.}}, is any of a small set of words or '''affixes''' (such as ''a(n)'' and ''the'' in English) used with nouns to limit or give '''definiteness''' to the application. These words represent a specific object, depending on the situation, but ''a'' is less specific than ''the''. Articles combine with nouns to form noun phrases and typically specify the grammatical definiteness of the noun phrase. In English, "''the''" and "''a''" are the definite and indefinite articles, respectively. Ancient Greek articles, however, also carry additional grammatical information such as gender, number, and case of the nouns they accompany, but are '''only definite'''. Articles are part of a broader category called '''determiners''', which also include demonstratives, possessive determiners, and quantifiers. == Pronoun == A pronoun (e.g., ''I, we, thou, you, he, she, it, they'') replaces a noun to avoid repetition. Like nouns, pronouns can refer to people, things, concepts, and places. Most sentences contain at least one noun or pronoun. :: '''ἐγὼ''' ἐβᾰ́πτῐσᾰ '''ῡ̔μᾶς''' ῠ̔́δᾰτῐ, '''αὐτὸς''' δὲ βᾰπτῐ́σει '''ὑμᾶς''' ἐν πνεύμᾰτῐ ᾰ̔γῐ́ῳ — '''I''' baptize '''you''' with water, but '''he''' will baptize '''you''' with the Holy Spirit (Mark 1.8). == Verb == == Adverb == == Conjunction == ==References== {{reflist}} {{BookCat}} 7hiopr3rwo0suwa2du0b4nz51044yck 4671640 4671639 2026-09-21T18:06:10Z It-is-Truly-Meet 3624460 4671640 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Yellow Warning|This page is under severe development. {{Stage|25%}}}} ====Glossary of Grammatical Terms==== As some of you may not have a solid grounding in English grammar, it is important to have a solid set of definitions to reference while learning Ancient Greek. Grammatical terms are linked to the glossary for your convenience. Alternatively, you can read this section first to make sure you are familiar with the basic structure. == Noun == *'''Definition''': a noun is a person, place, or thing (e.g. ''man'', ''room'', and ''table''). **'''Common Noun''': general name for nouns. The word ''person'' could refer to any person. The word ''city'' could refer to any city. Common nouns aren’t capitalized unless they’re the first word in a sentence. **'''Proper Noun''': a proper noun refers to a '''specific''' person, place, or organization and is indicated by the capitalization of its initial letter; e.g. ''Socrates'', ''Athens'', or the ''Lyceum''. **'''Concrete Noun''': any person, place, thing, or animal that you can '''experience''' with your '''five senses''' (e.g., ''aroma'' is concrete, as you can detect it with smell). **'''Abstract Noun''': an abstract noun refers to a concept rather than an actual physical person place, or thing; e.g. ''justice''. **'''Collective Noun''': a word that names a group of people, animals, or things, like a bunch of grapes (ἀσταφίς) or age-mates (ἡλικία). == Adjective == *'''Basic Definition''': a descriptor that modifies or is grammatically linked to a noun, e.g. ''red''. **Adjectives can modify nouns directly (e.g. the ''red'' ball rolls). This is called an '''attributive adjective'''. Alternatively, adjectives can be linked to the noun by a linking verb,<ref>See ''linking verb'' below</ref> e.g. Socrates is ''smart''. In the latter case, ''smart'' is a '''predicate adjective''' (also known as a '''predicate nominative'''). ***In English, adjectives modify nouns based upon word order. '''Attributive adjectives''' modify then noun that they directly precede while '''predicate adjectives''' follow a linking verb. In Ancient Greek, the word order does matter, but it is more flexible because Greek is '''inflected''' language. As such, the endings of the words ('''case endings''') establish the relationship between noun and adjective as well as word order. There is still, however, a marked word order difference between '''attributive adjectives''' and '''predicated adjectives''': ****'''Attributive adjectives''' may *****come between the article and the noun: *****come after the article when the article follows the noun: *****come after the article when the article is repeated both before and after the noun: ****'''Predicate adjectives''' may ****come in any other position in the sentence beside one of these three. One common predicate adjective position is as follows: == Article == An article, abbreviated {{sc|art.}}, is any of a small set of words or '''affixes''' (such as ''a(n)'' and ''the'' in English) used with nouns to limit or give '''definiteness''' to the application. These words represent a specific object, depending on the situation, but ''a'' is less specific than ''the''. Articles combine with nouns to form noun phrases and typically specify the grammatical definiteness of the noun phrase. In English, "''the''" and "''a''" are the definite and indefinite articles, respectively. Ancient Greek articles, however, also carry additional grammatical information such as gender, number, and case of the nouns they accompany, but are '''only definite'''. Articles are part of a broader category called '''determiners''', which also include demonstratives, possessive determiners, and quantifiers. == Pronoun == A pronoun (e.g., ''I, we, thou, you, he, she, it, they'') replaces a noun to avoid repetition. Like nouns, pronouns can refer to people, things, concepts, and places. Most sentences contain at least one noun or pronoun. :: '''ἐγὼ''' ἐβᾰ́πτῐσᾰ '''ῡ̔μᾶς''' ῠ̔́δᾰτῐ, '''αὐτὸς''' δὲ βᾰπτῐ́σει '''ὑμᾶς''' ἐν πνεύμᾰτῐ ᾰ̔γῐ́ῳ — '''I''' baptize '''you''' with water, but '''he''' will baptize '''you''' with the Holy Spirit (Mark 1.8). == Verb == A verb is a word that generally conveys an action (bring, read, walk, run, learn), an occurrence (happen, become), or a state of being (be, exist, stand). In the usual description of English, the basic form, with or without the particle to, is the infinitive. In many languages, verbs are inflected (modified in form) to encode tense, aspect, mood, and voice. A verb may also agree with the person, gender or number of some of its arguments, such as its subject, or object. In English, three tenses exist: present, to indicate that an action is being carried out; past, to indicate that an action has been done; and future, to indicate that an action will be done, expressed with the auxiliary verb will or shall. For example: Lucy will go to school. (action, future) Mike Trout became the American League (AL) Most Valuable Player (MVP) in 2014. (occurrence, past) the Universe is expanding. (state of being, present) Every language discovered so far makes some form of noun-verb distinction,[1] possibly because of the graph-like nature of communicated meaning by humans, i.e. nouns being the "entities" and verbs being the "links" between them.[2] The word verb comes from Latin verbum 'word or verb' and shares the same Indo-European root as word.[3] == Adverb == == Conjunction == ==References== {{reflist}} {{BookCat}} iozgef8ciibkihmpovi5oa31gse7fzc 4671641 4671640 2026-09-21T18:08:43Z It-is-Truly-Meet 3624460 /* Adverb */ 4671641 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Yellow Warning|This page is under severe development. {{Stage|25%}}}} ====Glossary of Grammatical Terms==== As some of you may not have a solid grounding in English grammar, it is important to have a solid set of definitions to reference while learning Ancient Greek. Grammatical terms are linked to the glossary for your convenience. Alternatively, you can read this section first to make sure you are familiar with the basic structure. == Noun == *'''Definition''': a noun is a person, place, or thing (e.g. ''man'', ''room'', and ''table''). **'''Common Noun''': general name for nouns. The word ''person'' could refer to any person. The word ''city'' could refer to any city. Common nouns aren’t capitalized unless they’re the first word in a sentence. **'''Proper Noun''': a proper noun refers to a '''specific''' person, place, or organization and is indicated by the capitalization of its initial letter; e.g. ''Socrates'', ''Athens'', or the ''Lyceum''. **'''Concrete Noun''': any person, place, thing, or animal that you can '''experience''' with your '''five senses''' (e.g., ''aroma'' is concrete, as you can detect it with smell). **'''Abstract Noun''': an abstract noun refers to a concept rather than an actual physical person place, or thing; e.g. ''justice''. **'''Collective Noun''': a word that names a group of people, animals, or things, like a bunch of grapes (ἀσταφίς) or age-mates (ἡλικία). == Adjective == *'''Basic Definition''': a descriptor that modifies or is grammatically linked to a noun, e.g. ''red''. **Adjectives can modify nouns directly (e.g. the ''red'' ball rolls). This is called an '''attributive adjective'''. Alternatively, adjectives can be linked to the noun by a linking verb,<ref>See ''linking verb'' below</ref> e.g. Socrates is ''smart''. In the latter case, ''smart'' is a '''predicate adjective''' (also known as a '''predicate nominative'''). ***In English, adjectives modify nouns based upon word order. '''Attributive adjectives''' modify then noun that they directly precede while '''predicate adjectives''' follow a linking verb. In Ancient Greek, the word order does matter, but it is more flexible because Greek is '''inflected''' language. As such, the endings of the words ('''case endings''') establish the relationship between noun and adjective as well as word order. There is still, however, a marked word order difference between '''attributive adjectives''' and '''predicated adjectives''': ****'''Attributive adjectives''' may *****come between the article and the noun: *****come after the article when the article follows the noun: *****come after the article when the article is repeated both before and after the noun: ****'''Predicate adjectives''' may ****come in any other position in the sentence beside one of these three. One common predicate adjective position is as follows: == Article == An article, abbreviated {{sc|art.}}, is any of a small set of words or '''affixes''' (such as ''a(n)'' and ''the'' in English) used with nouns to limit or give '''definiteness''' to the application. These words represent a specific object, depending on the situation, but ''a'' is less specific than ''the''. Articles combine with nouns to form noun phrases and typically specify the grammatical definiteness of the noun phrase. In English, "''the''" and "''a''" are the definite and indefinite articles, respectively. Ancient Greek articles, however, also carry additional grammatical information such as gender, number, and case of the nouns they accompany, but are '''only definite'''. Articles are part of a broader category called '''determiners''', which also include demonstratives, possessive determiners, and quantifiers. == Pronoun == A pronoun (e.g., ''I, we, thou, you, he, she, it, they'') replaces a noun to avoid repetition. Like nouns, pronouns can refer to people, things, concepts, and places. Most sentences contain at least one noun or pronoun. :: '''ἐγὼ''' ἐβᾰ́πτῐσᾰ '''ῡ̔μᾶς''' ῠ̔́δᾰτῐ, '''αὐτὸς''' δὲ βᾰπτῐ́σει '''ὑμᾶς''' ἐν πνεύμᾰτῐ ᾰ̔γῐ́ῳ — '''I''' baptize '''you''' with water, but '''he''' will baptize '''you''' with the Holy Spirit (Mark 1.8). == Verb == A verb is a word that generally conveys an action (bring, read, walk, run, learn), an occurrence (happen, become), or a state of being (be, exist, stand). In the usual description of English, the basic form, with or without the particle to, is the infinitive. In many languages, verbs are inflected (modified in form) to encode tense, aspect, mood, and voice. A verb may also agree with the person, gender or number of some of its arguments, such as its subject, or object. In English, three tenses exist: present, to indicate that an action is being carried out; past, to indicate that an action has been done; and future, to indicate that an action will be done, expressed with the auxiliary verb will or shall. For example: Lucy will go to school. (action, future) Mike Trout became the American League (AL) Most Valuable Player (MVP) in 2014. (occurrence, past) the Universe is expanding. (state of being, present) Every language discovered so far makes some form of noun-verb distinction,[1] possibly because of the graph-like nature of communicated meaning by humans, i.e. nouns being the "entities" and verbs being the "links" between them.[2] The word verb comes from Latin verbum 'word or verb' and shares the same Indo-European root as word.[3] == Adverb == An adverb is a word or an expression that generally modifies a verb, an adjective, another adverb, a determiner, a clause, a preposition, or a sentence. Adverbs typically express manner, place, time, frequency, degree, or level of certainty by answering questions such as how, in what way, when, where, to what extent. This is called the adverbial function and may be performed by an individual adverb, by an adverbial phrase, or by an adverbial clause. Adverbs are traditionally regarded as one of the parts of speech. Modern linguists note that the term adverb has come to be used as a kind of "catch-all" category, used to classify words with various types of syntactic behavior, not necessarily having much in common except that they do not fit into any of the other available categories (noun, adjective, preposition, etc.).[1] == Conjunction == ==References== {{reflist}} {{BookCat}} 47hmntugckfrlpos2fguolg36bbycqo 4671642 4671641 2026-09-21T18:09:06Z It-is-Truly-Meet 3624460 /* Conjunction */ 4671642 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Yellow Warning|This page is under severe development. {{Stage|25%}}}} ====Glossary of Grammatical Terms==== As some of you may not have a solid grounding in English grammar, it is important to have a solid set of definitions to reference while learning Ancient Greek. Grammatical terms are linked to the glossary for your convenience. Alternatively, you can read this section first to make sure you are familiar with the basic structure. == Noun == *'''Definition''': a noun is a person, place, or thing (e.g. ''man'', ''room'', and ''table''). **'''Common Noun''': general name for nouns. The word ''person'' could refer to any person. The word ''city'' could refer to any city. Common nouns aren’t capitalized unless they’re the first word in a sentence. **'''Proper Noun''': a proper noun refers to a '''specific''' person, place, or organization and is indicated by the capitalization of its initial letter; e.g. ''Socrates'', ''Athens'', or the ''Lyceum''. **'''Concrete Noun''': any person, place, thing, or animal that you can '''experience''' with your '''five senses''' (e.g., ''aroma'' is concrete, as you can detect it with smell). **'''Abstract Noun''': an abstract noun refers to a concept rather than an actual physical person place, or thing; e.g. ''justice''. **'''Collective Noun''': a word that names a group of people, animals, or things, like a bunch of grapes (ἀσταφίς) or age-mates (ἡλικία). == Adjective == *'''Basic Definition''': a descriptor that modifies or is grammatically linked to a noun, e.g. ''red''. **Adjectives can modify nouns directly (e.g. the ''red'' ball rolls). This is called an '''attributive adjective'''. Alternatively, adjectives can be linked to the noun by a linking verb,<ref>See ''linking verb'' below</ref> e.g. Socrates is ''smart''. In the latter case, ''smart'' is a '''predicate adjective''' (also known as a '''predicate nominative'''). ***In English, adjectives modify nouns based upon word order. '''Attributive adjectives''' modify then noun that they directly precede while '''predicate adjectives''' follow a linking verb. In Ancient Greek, the word order does matter, but it is more flexible because Greek is '''inflected''' language. As such, the endings of the words ('''case endings''') establish the relationship between noun and adjective as well as word order. There is still, however, a marked word order difference between '''attributive adjectives''' and '''predicated adjectives''': ****'''Attributive adjectives''' may *****come between the article and the noun: *****come after the article when the article follows the noun: *****come after the article when the article is repeated both before and after the noun: ****'''Predicate adjectives''' may ****come in any other position in the sentence beside one of these three. One common predicate adjective position is as follows: == Article == An article, abbreviated {{sc|art.}}, is any of a small set of words or '''affixes''' (such as ''a(n)'' and ''the'' in English) used with nouns to limit or give '''definiteness''' to the application. These words represent a specific object, depending on the situation, but ''a'' is less specific than ''the''. Articles combine with nouns to form noun phrases and typically specify the grammatical definiteness of the noun phrase. In English, "''the''" and "''a''" are the definite and indefinite articles, respectively. Ancient Greek articles, however, also carry additional grammatical information such as gender, number, and case of the nouns they accompany, but are '''only definite'''. Articles are part of a broader category called '''determiners''', which also include demonstratives, possessive determiners, and quantifiers. == Pronoun == A pronoun (e.g., ''I, we, thou, you, he, she, it, they'') replaces a noun to avoid repetition. Like nouns, pronouns can refer to people, things, concepts, and places. Most sentences contain at least one noun or pronoun. :: '''ἐγὼ''' ἐβᾰ́πτῐσᾰ '''ῡ̔μᾶς''' ῠ̔́δᾰτῐ, '''αὐτὸς''' δὲ βᾰπτῐ́σει '''ὑμᾶς''' ἐν πνεύμᾰτῐ ᾰ̔γῐ́ῳ — '''I''' baptize '''you''' with water, but '''he''' will baptize '''you''' with the Holy Spirit (Mark 1.8). == Verb == A verb is a word that generally conveys an action (bring, read, walk, run, learn), an occurrence (happen, become), or a state of being (be, exist, stand). In the usual description of English, the basic form, with or without the particle to, is the infinitive. In many languages, verbs are inflected (modified in form) to encode tense, aspect, mood, and voice. A verb may also agree with the person, gender or number of some of its arguments, such as its subject, or object. In English, three tenses exist: present, to indicate that an action is being carried out; past, to indicate that an action has been done; and future, to indicate that an action will be done, expressed with the auxiliary verb will or shall. For example: Lucy will go to school. (action, future) Mike Trout became the American League (AL) Most Valuable Player (MVP) in 2014. (occurrence, past) the Universe is expanding. (state of being, present) Every language discovered so far makes some form of noun-verb distinction,[1] possibly because of the graph-like nature of communicated meaning by humans, i.e. nouns being the "entities" and verbs being the "links" between them.[2] The word verb comes from Latin verbum 'word or verb' and shares the same Indo-European root as word.[3] == Adverb == An adverb is a word or an expression that generally modifies a verb, an adjective, another adverb, a determiner, a clause, a preposition, or a sentence. Adverbs typically express manner, place, time, frequency, degree, or level of certainty by answering questions such as how, in what way, when, where, to what extent. This is called the adverbial function and may be performed by an individual adverb, by an adverbial phrase, or by an adverbial clause. Adverbs are traditionally regarded as one of the parts of speech. Modern linguists note that the term adverb has come to be used as a kind of "catch-all" category, used to classify words with various types of syntactic behavior, not necessarily having much in common except that they do not fit into any of the other available categories (noun, adjective, preposition, etc.).[1] == Conjunction == A conjunction is an '''uninflected''' linguistic form that '''joins''' together sentences, '''clauses''', phrases, or words. Greek conjunctions work like those in English, but they are used much more often and in a more subtle way. Greek tends to connect sentences and clauses rather than separate them. While in English we often mark the end of a sentence with a period, Greek prefers to use conjunctions such as "and", "but", or "therefore" to chain ideas. ==References== {{reflist}} {{BookCat}} 63m7tl41223f8oizpublqa4wyn7fjwj 0 294813 4671657 3510080 2026-09-21T22:50:28Z WereSpielChequers 248949 try the place with the drop bears 4671657 wikitext text/x-wiki A guide to optimising bone strength and preventing osteoporosis for young women. ==Why is bone health important?== ===Osteoporosis=== Why worry about bone health at your age? Isn’t it just old women who become hunched over and frail? Osteoporosis is a condition of the musculoskeletal system in which a person's bones become fragile and brittle, leading to an increased risk of fractures. These fractures can lead to chronic pain, disability and a loss of independence.<ref name="Wahlqvist Food and Nutrition">Wahlqvist, M. L. (2011). Food and nutrition : food and health systems in Australia and New Zealand (3rd Edition ed.). Crows Nest, NSW, Australia: Allen and Unwin.</ref> To help prevent osteoporosis, we need to exercise and nourish our bones throughout our lives.<ref name="Whitney Understanding Nutrition">Whitney, E., Rolfes, S., Crowe, T., Cameron-Smith, D. & Walsh, A. (2011). Understanding Nutrition – Australia and New Zealand Edition. Melbourne: Cengage Learning Australia Pty Limited.</ref> Osteoporosis is a major health problem in Australia; with 1 in 5 women over 65 years developing osteoporosis.<ref name="Australian Health Survey 2012">Australian Health Survey: First Results, 2011-12. (2012). Canberra, ACT: Australian Bureau of Statistics. Retrieved from http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Lookup/4364.0.55.001chapter3102011-12</ref> ===Changes in Bone Mass – Peak Bone Mass=== [[File:Blond woman runs.JPG|thumb|woman running]] Our bone strength develops until the age of 25-30 years; we deposit minerals such as calcium into our bones making them dense and strong, this is called our peak bone mass.<ref name="Wahlqvist Food and Nutrition">Wahlqvist, M. L. (2011). Food and nutrition : food and health systems in Australia and New Zealand (3rd Edition ed.). Crows Nest, NSW, Australia: Allen and Unwin.</ref> From the age of approximately 30 years we experience a slow decline in our bone density/strength, this bone loss accelerates after menopause when hormonal changes result in more rapid losses.<ref name="Brown Nutrition Through the Life Cycle">Brown, J. E., & Isaacs, J. S. (2011). Nutrition through the life cycle (4th Edition ed.). Belmont, California, USA: Cengage Learning.</ref> Osteoporosis occurs if our bones lose too much density, so now is the time to build your bones. After you reach your peak bone mass you can only maintain or slow the loss of bone, so start your life with a big ‘bank’ to reduce your risk of developing this crippling disease. ==How can we build and maintain strong bones?== [[File:Milk glass.jpg|thumb|Milk]] ===What nutrients do we need for strong bones?=== Calcium and Phosphorus play a major role in bone strength, and are of prime importance in the prevention of osteoporosis. These minerals along with Magnesium, Vitamin D, Vitamin B12 and others all play a role in building up strong bones.<ref name="Wahlqvist Food and Nutrition">Wahlqvist, M. L. (2011). Food and nutrition : food and health systems in Australia and New Zealand (3rd Edition ed.). Crows Nest, NSW, Australia: Allen and Unwin.</ref> <ref name="Osteoporosis Australia">Osteoporosis Australia. (2013). Calcium. Retrieved from http://www.osteoporosis.org.au/</ref> Consuming adequate amounts of these minerals along with regular weight bearing exercise such as jogging, skipping and aerobics helps us to optimise our bone strength until the age of 30 and then helps to slow the loss of bone density with age.<ref name="Brown Nutrition Through the Life Cycle">Brown, J. E., & Isaacs, J. S. (2011). Nutrition through the life cycle (4th Edition ed.). Belmont, California, USA: Cengage Learning.</ref> <ref name="Whitney Understanding Nutrition">Whitney, E., Rolfes, S., Crowe, T., Cameron-Smith, D. & Walsh, A. (2011). Understanding Nutrition – Australia and New Zealand Edition. Melbourne: Cengage Learning Australia Pty Limited.</ref> <ref name="Osteoporosis Australia">Osteoporosis Australia. (2013). Calcium. Retrieved from http://www.osteoporosis.org.au/</ref> ===How much calcium are we getting?=== The average daily calcium intake of 19-24 year old women falls short of the recommended daily amount by 250mg/day; this is equivalent to the amount of calcium found in approximately 1 cup of milk.<ref name="National Nutrition Survey 1998">ABS. (1998). National Nutrition Survey: Nutrient Intakes and Physical Measurements. Retrieved from ABS: http://www.ausstats.abs.gov.au/ausstats/subscriber.nsf/0/CA25687100069892CA25688900268A6D/$File/48050_1995.pdf</ref> <ref name="Kouris Food Sources of Nutrients">Kouris, A. (2012). Food Sources of Nutrients: A Ready Reckoner of Macronutrients, Micronutrients and Phytonutrients. Dr Antigone Kouris-Blazos.</ref> ==How can we get enough calcium in our diet?== [[File:Broccoli and cross section edit.jpg|thumb|Broccoli]] [[File:Mandorle sgusciate.jpg|thumb|Almonds]] Calcium is found predominantly in milk and other dairy foods.<ref name="Kouris Food Sources of Nutrients">Kouris, A. (2012). Food Sources of Nutrients: A Ready Reckoner of Macronutrients, Micronutrients and Phytonutrients. Dr Antigone Kouris-Blazos.</ref> Other sources include bony fish, legumes and certain nuts, fortified soy and other milk alternatives, and fortified breakfast cereals.<ref name="Kouris Food Sources of Nutrients">Kouris, A. (2012). Food Sources of Nutrients: A Ready Reckoner of Macronutrients, Micronutrients and Phytonutrients. Dr Antigone Kouris-Blazos.</ref> It is recommended that we consume 2.5 serves of dairy/alternatives each day to meet our requirements.<ref name="NHMRC Australian Dietary Guidelines 2013">National Health and Medical Research Council. (2013). Australian Dietary Guidelines Summary. Retrieved from Australian Government Department of Health and Ageing : http://www.nhmrc.gov.au/_files_nhmrc/publications/attachments/n55a_australian_dietary_guidelines_summary_book_0.pdf</ref> 1 serve is equivalent to: * 1 cup of milk (250ml); * 2 slices (40g) of hard cheese, such as cheddar; * ½ cup (120g) ricotta cheese; * ¾ cup (200g) yoghurt; * 1 cup (250ml) soy, rice or other cereal drink with at least 100mg of added calcium per 100ml. <ref name="Kouris Food Sources of Nutrients">Kouris, A. (2012). Food Sources of Nutrients: A Ready Reckoner of Macronutrients, Micronutrients and Phytonutrients. Dr Antigone Kouris-Blazos.</ref> <ref name="NHMRC Australian Dietary Guidelines 2013">National Health and Medical Research Council. (2013). Australian Dietary Guidelines Summary. Retrieved from Australian Government Department of Health and Ageing : http://www.nhmrc.gov.au/_files_nhmrc/publications/attachments/n55a_australian_dietary_guidelines_summary_book_0.pdf</ref> ===Tips to optimise calcium absorption=== * Spread your consumption of calcium containing foods out across the day. * The sugar (lactose) and protein in milk promote calcium absorption; therefore dairy is a great source. * Absorption is promoted by vitamin D, which is also found in dairy foods. * Choose calcium fortified products such as cereals, juices and tofu. * Add in an extra serve of dairy in you day; yoghurt as a snack or a fruit smoothie made with milk are great options. * Ensure you eat green leafy vegetable such as spinach, kale or broccoli each day. * Eating a small handful of almonds and dried figs as a snack will add to your calcium intake. <ref name="Wahlqvist Food and Nutrition">Wahlqvist, M. L. (2011). Food and nutrition : food and health systems in Australia and New Zealand (3rd Edition ed.). Crows Nest, NSW, Australia: Allen and Unwin.</ref> <ref name="Brown Nutrition Through the Life Cycle">Brown, J. E., & Isaacs, J. S. (2011). Nutrition through the life cycle (4th Edition ed.). Belmont, California, USA: Cengage Learning.</ref> <ref name="Osteoporosis Australia">Osteoporosis Australia. (2013). Calcium. Retrieved from http://www.osteoporosis.org.au/</ref> ===Foods that reduce calcium absorption=== Avoid eating these foods at the same time as your calcium containing foods: * Phytic acid containing foods such as cereals and legumes; * Oxalic acid containing foods such as in spinach, rhubarb, beetroot and tea;<ref name="Wahlqvist Food and Nutrition">Wahlqvist, M. L. (2011). Food and nutrition : food and health systems in Australia and New Zealand (3rd Edition ed.). Crows Nest, NSW, Australia: Allen and Unwin.</ref> * Caffeine, alcohol and salt increase the amount of calcium lost through urine, therefore limit your consumption of these. ==Milk alternatives: differences and benefits== There is an extensive variety of milk and milk alternatives on the market and it can become confusing to know what the best option is. All dairy milk alternatives need fortifying to match the nutritional content offered in cow’s milk. So whatever type of milk you consume; it is important to look for one which is fortified with calcium.<ref name="NHMRC Australian Dietary Guidelines 2013">National Health and Medical Research Council. (2013). Australian Dietary Guidelines Summary. Retrieved from Australian Government Department of Health and Ageing : http://www.nhmrc.gov.au/_files_nhmrc/publications/attachments/n55a_australian_dietary_guidelines_summary_book_0.pdf</ref> You can check this by looking at the nutrition information panel on the back of the package and ensuring there is at least 100mg of calcium per 100mls.<ref name="NHMRC Australian Dietary Guidelines 2013">National Health and Medical Research Council. (2013). Australian Dietary Guidelines Summary. Retrieved from Australian Government Department of Health and Ageing : http://www.nhmrc.gov.au/_files_nhmrc/publications/attachments/n55a_australian_dietary_guidelines_summary_book_0.pdf</ref> It is also important in non-dairy varieties to be aware of added sugar and salt. It is best to choose unsweetened options with under 120mg sodium per 100mls. However alternatives to dairy milk do offer benefits such as being lactose and dairy free for those who are intolerant or vegetarian, milks which come from nuts have the added benefit of healthy fats, antioxidants, vitamins and minerals. ==Further Information== * For information on consuming a balanced diet see the [http://www.eatforhealth.gov.au/guidelines/australian-guide-healthy-eating Australian Guide to Healthy Eating] and [http://daa.asn.au/for-the-public/smart-eating-for-you/ Dietitians Association of Australia - Smart Eating for you] * For more detailed information regarding osteoporosis prevention go to [http://www.osteoporosis.org.au/ Osteoporosis Australia] ==References== <references/> {{BookCat}} pw90u4yukqwpdsl423mn3r3c4zvsw1o 0 294842 4671659 2754279 2026-09-21T23:02:44Z WereSpielChequers 248949 try the place with the drop bears 4671659 wikitext text/x-wiki Calcium is one of the most essential minerals recommended for the diet as it is involved various roles and processes within the human body. As well as the imperative role that calcium holds in bone and teeth mineralization, promoting strong and prosperous bones, calcium is also required for the maintenance of cell membranes, enzyme systems and hormone actions. Also, due to its role in nerve function activity and transmission, calcium is a responsible component of muscle contraction, such as that of the heart. Vitamin D is both a vitamin and a hormone that works in tandem with calcium in the body performing similar functions. For calcium to function correctly it needs Vitamin D and vice versa. Vitamin D is involved in the absorption and metabolism of calcium and other micronutrients. Like Calcium, Vitamin D helps with bone and teeth formation and helps to maintain a stable nervous system and healthy heart. It also functions in immunity and regulating blood pressure. [[File:Milk glass.jpg|thumb|A glass of Milk]] ==The Role of Calcium== Calcium plays an essential role in bone structure and maintenance, providing the body with its framework. Around 99 per cent of the body’s calcium is stored in bones and teeth and the remaining 1 per cent can be found circulating in the blood and in cells. The calcium existing in the blood is tightly controlled and the bones provide a readily available source of calcium when body is in need. This means that when blood-calcium levels drop, the blood ‘borrows’ calcium from the bones to restore it to an appropriate level. When blood-calcium levels increase, the blood will ‘return’ any excess calcium back to the bones. Therefore, when calcium intake is consistently inadequate, calcium stores in the bone become depleted. This results in weaker bones which are susceptible to [[https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Healthy_eating_habits/Osteoporosis_and_Diversifying_Daily_Calcium_Intake Osteoporosis]]. It is extremely important to consume adequate amounts of calcium-containing foods to ensure strong and healthy bones. ==What Constitutes A Serve?== The Australian Guide to Healthy eating recommendations [https://www.eatforhealth.gov.au/sites/default/files/files/the_guidelines/n55g_adult_brochure_print.pdf (AGHE)] 2 1/2 serves of dairy like milk, yogurt and cheese (mostly reduced fat alternatives) every day for people aged 19-50 years old and this is the same for both males and females. This equates to 1000mg of calcium per day. ===Calcium Serve=== Sources of calcium can be either dairy or non-diary, so even a vegan or someone who just doesn't like dairy products can ensure they meet their daily requirements. ====Dairy Sources==== [[File:Cheese.jpg|thumb|Cheese]] * 80g of cheese (2 slices) - Cheddar, Swiss or ricotta * 1 cup of Milk * 3/4 cup of yogurt ====Non-Dairy Sources==== * 1 cup of green leafy vegetables e.g. kale, bok choy, spinach or silverbeet. * 15g of chia seeds * 1/4 cup of almonds ===Vitamin D Serve=== The best source of Vitamin D is of course, the sun! To ensure adequate Vitamin D intake each day it is good to spend at least 20-30 minutes in the sun each day. [[File:"Sun".JPG|thumb|The Sun]] Foods rich in Vitamin D include: * 90g of cooked salmon * 90 of sardines (including bones) * 1 egg ==Tips For Extra Vitamin D== [[File:Lunch for sketchers (8745619532).jpg|thumb|People eating outside)]] * Coming into work earlier or staying back a little later to walk around the block if the sun is out * Walk around the office block during the lunch break * Eat lunch outside ==Interactions and Interferences== Some nutrients aren’t absorbed as well if taken with calcium. Calcium can reduce iron absorption by as much as 50 percent. However, calcium only interferes with non-heme iron, which comes from plant-based foods, not with heme iron, found in meat. When it comes to calcium, fibre also binds to the mineral, reducing its absorption. Studies have found that wheat fibre reduces calcium absorption by about half. If you are the type of person who aims to get a jump-start on fulfilling their recommended daily intake of fibre and calcium with your bowl of breakfast cereal, choose cereals primarily oats or other grains since they do not seem to block the absorption calcium. ==Supplementation & fortification== Sometimes, depending on the levels of calcium and Vitamin D in the body, it may be necessary take a supplement. Before using any supplementation it is important to refer to a doctor first. ==Reference List== * Kouris, A. (2012). Food Sources of Nutrients: A Ready Reckoner of Macronutrients, Micronutrients and Phytonutrients. Dr Antigone Kouris-Blazos. * National Health and Medical Research Council. (2013). Australian Dietary Guidelines 2013, p4-24 *National Health and Medical Research Council. (2006). Nutrient Reference Values for Australia and New Zealand Including Recommended Dietary Intakes. NHMRC * Osteoporosis Australia. (2013). Calcium. Retrieved from http://www.osteoporosis.org.au/ * Wahlqvist, M. L. (2011). Food and nutrition : food and health systems in Australia and New Zealand (3rd Edition ed.). Crows Nest, NSW, Australia: Allen and Unwin. {{BookCat}} ofli8qg7ietha43ijzfpp8tr6qcnmmx 102 302435 4671687 2686332 2026-09-22T04:24:43Z TechVindicator 3626296 update link 4671687 wikitext text/x-wiki #REDIRECT [[Cookbook:Barbecuing]] ge2kqac27yf71b1f3rnkije2vg4pg22 0 302958 4671654 4668497 2026-09-21T21:15:48Z RandomRyan42 3625340 Updated Colurieae tribe table to reflect 2023 phylogenetic consensus restoring Waldsteinia fragarioides as separate genus from Geum; corrected synonym timeline chronologically by adding the 2023 restoration entry; updated bold formatting to mark W. fragarioides as accepted and G. fragarioides as a synonym; corrected name formatting to 'Appalachian barren strawberry' and fixed images to match the native species. 4671654 wikitext text/x-wiki {{../header | this = Rosales : Rosaceae : Rosoideae 1 : | this-ttxt = Ulmarieae, Rubeae, Colurieae, Sanguisorbeae | prev-link = Fabales | next-link = Rosoideae 2 | next-text = Rosales: Rosaceae: Rosoideae 2 }} ==Rosales introduction== {{:Flora of New York/txt |img= |cap= |The order '''{{wp|Rosales}}''' is part of the nitrogen-fixing clade in the fabids: {{cladex |label1=fabids |1={{cladex |1={{cladex |1=[[../Zygophyllales|Zygophyllales]] |2={{cladex |label1=<small>COM clade</small> |1={{cladex |1=[[../Celastrales|Celastrales]] |2={{cladex |1=[[../Malpighiales|Malpighiales]] |2=[[../Oxalidales|Oxalidales]] }} }} |label2=<small>nitrogen‑fixing&nbsp;clade&nbsp;</small> |2={{cladex |1=[[../Fabales|Fabales]] |2={{cladex |1=[[../Rosales|Rosales]] |2={{cladex |1=[[../Cucurbitales|Cucurbitales]] |2=[[../Fagales|Fagales]] }} }} }} }} }} }} }} }} ===Rosaceae introduction=== {{../Rosaceae-intro}} <!-- {{../Rosaceae-clades}} is the sandbox for {{../Rosaceae-intro}}--> ====Rosoideae introduction==== {{../txt |img= |cap= |The Rosaceae subfamily '''Rosoideae''' contains the following tribes: *Agrimonieae (''Acaena, Agrimonia, Poteridium, Poterium, Sanguisorba'') *Colurieae (''Fallugia, Geum, Sieversia, Waldsteinia'') *Potentilleae (''Alchemilla, Aphanes, Chamaerhodos, Comarum, Dasiphora, Drymocallis, Duchesnea, Fragaria, Horkelia, Horkeliella, Ivesia, Potentilla, Sibbaldia, Sibbaldiopsis'') *Roseae (''Rosa'') *Rubeae (''Rubus'') *Ulmarieae (''Filipendula'') }} ==Tribe Ulmarieae== ===''Filipendula''=== {{../txt |img=Filipendula rubra 2017-06-25 3209.jpg |cap=''Filipendula rubra'' |''Filipendula'' contains about ten Eurasian species and two North American species. Of these, one Midwestern and two Eurasian species have been found to have naturalized in New York. ''Filipendula rubra'' ('''queen of the prairie''') is the only North American native ''Filipendula'' found in New York State, where it is only known to be present in the wild as a garden escape.<ref>[http://floranorthamerica.org/Filipendula_rubra Ivan A. Schanzer (2020). Flora of North America, Volume 9. Page 25. Flora of North America Association. 5 Nov. 2020]</ref> It can be found on roadsides, ditches, thickets, and disturbed soils, but it has been less common than the Eurasian ''Filipendula ulmaria''.<ref>[https://newyork.plantatlas.usf.edu/Plant.aspx?id=2695 Werier, David, et al. (2023). ''Filipendula rubra'' in New York Flora Atlas. New York Flora Association, Albany, New York. 12 Dec. 2023.]</ref> }}<!-- ------------------------------------------------------------ --> {{../table|order=Rosales|Rosaceae|Rosoideae|Ulmarieae||Filipendula| }}<!-- ------------------------------------------------------------ --> {{../genus|Filipendula|Queen, Dropwort|948|3| }}<!-- ------------------------------------------------------------ --> {{../taxon | species = Filipendula rubra | au-abbr = (Hill) B.L.Rob. | au-full = Benjamin Lincoln Robinson (1864-1935). | au-pub = Rhodora 8(94):204. 1906. <!-- -- --> | syns = {{../sp-1|1768|Ulmaria rubra |Hill}} {{../sp-1|1770|Spiraea lobata |Gronov. ex Jacq.}} {{../sp-1|1906|'''Filipendula rubra''' |B.L.Rob.}} {{../sp-1|1836|Thecanisia angustifolia |Raf.}} {{../sp-1|1836|Thecanisia purpurea |Raf.}} {{../sp-1|1837|Thecanisia lobata |(Gronov.) Raf.}} {{../sp-1|1879|Filipendula lobata |(Gronov.) Maxim.}} {{../sp-1|1891|Spiraea rubra |(Hill) Britton}} {{../var1|1924|Filipendula lobata |(Gronov.) Maxim. |albiflora |Bergmans}} {{../var1|1924|Filipendula lobata |(Gronov.) Maxim. |venusta-magnifica |Bergmans}} <!-- -- --> | en1 = Queen-of-the-prairie | en2 = Prairie dropwort | en3 = Red queen-of-the-meadow | fr1 = Filipendule rouge <!-- -- --> | status = Introduced | from = US midwest | status1 = N. America native | status2 = Cultivated in NY | c-rank = 0 | nwi1 = FACW | habit0 = Perennial | habit1 = Herb-forb | light = Part shade | ny-rank = G4-G5 <!-- -- --> | nyfa = {{../nyfa|2695|X|Roadsides, thickets, ditches, and disturbed soils. Much less common than the closely related F. ulmaria.}} | usda = {{../usda|FIRU2|NX|}} | col-id = | gbif = | inat = | pow-id = 104799-2 | wfo-id = | vascan = 8748 | gobot = filipendula/rubra | its-id = 25170 | ars-id = 456822 | fna-i1 = | fna-i2 = Filipendula_rubra | tro-id = 27800864 | ipn-id = | lbj-id = FIRU2 | nse-id = Filipendula+rubra | bna-id = Filipendula%20rubra | map = Filipendula rubra nymap.svg | nyfa-co = <abbr title=" ">13 counties</abbr> | inat-co = <abbr title="About 25 counties">25 counties</abbr> | image1 = Filipendula rubra inflorescence.JPG|width1=120 }}<!-- ------------------------------------------------------------ --> {{../taxon | species = Filipendula ulmaria | au-abbr = (L.) Maxim. | au-full = | au-pub = Trudy Imp. S.-Peterburgsk. Bot. Sada 6: 251 (1879) <!-- -- --> | syns = {{../sp-1|1753|Spiraea ulmaria |L.}} {{../sp-1|1819|Spiraea denudata |J.& C.Presl}} {{../for1|1822|Spiraea ulmaria |L. |tomentosa |Hayne)}} {{../sp-1|1838|Thecanisia ulmaria |(L.) Raf.}} {{../sp-1|1879|'''Filipendula ulmaria'''|Maxim.}} {{../var1|1879|Filipendula ulmaria |Maxim. |denudata |(J.Presl & C.Presl) Maxim.}} {{../sp-1|1889|Filipendula denudata |Fritsch}} {{../for1|1889|Spiraea ulmaria |L. |tomentosa |(Hayne) St.-Lag. (not validly publ.)}} {{../sp-1|1894|Ulmaria ulmaria |(L.) Barnhart (not validly publ.)}} {{../sp-1|1895|Thecanisia ulmaria |(L.) Raf. ex B.D.Jacks. (comb. not validly publ.)}} {{../ssp1|1909|Filipendula ulmaria |Maxim. |denudata |Hayek}} <!-- -- --> | en1 = Queen-of-the-meadow | en2 = Meadowsweet | en3 = Meadow dropwort | en4 = Elm queen-of-the-meadow | en5 = White queen-of-the-meadow | fr1 = Reine-des-prés <!-- -- --> | status = Introduced | from = temperate Eurasia | status1 = Potentially invasive | status2 = Note:<ref>[http://dnr.wi.gov/topic/invasives/fact/queenofthemeadow.html Current invasive species rule revisions propose to regulate ''Filipendula ulmaria'' as Restricted in Wisconsin.]</ref><ref>[https://nas.er.usgs.gov/queries/FactSheet.aspx?SpeciesID=3810 Pfingsten, I.A., D. Rose, 2023, ''Filipendula ulmaria'' (L.) Maxim.: U.S. Geological Survey, Nonindigenous Aquatic Species Database, Gainesville, FL, https://nas.er.usgs.gov/queries/FactSheet.aspx?SpeciesID=3810, Revised 8/30/2023, Accessed 12/16/2023]</ref> | imap = | ipa-us = 14017 4 | griisus = | ny-tier = | c-rank = | nwi1 = FAC | nwi2 = FACW | habit0 = Perennial | habit1 = Herb-forb | light = | chro-no = | ny-rank = | ns-rank = <!-- -- --> | nyfa = {{../nyfa|2694|X|}} | usda = {{../usda|FIUL|XX|}} | col-id = | gbif = 2987999 <!-- Filipendula ulmaria (L.) Maxim. --> | inat = 63134-Filipendula-ulmaria | pow-id = 724943-1 <!-- Filipendula ulmaria (L.) Maxim. --> | wfo-id = | vascan = 8749 | gobot = filipendula/ulmaria | its-id = 25171 | ars-id = 17105 | fna-id = | tro-id = 27800269 | nse-id = | ipn-id = | map = Filipendula ulmaria nymap.svg | nyfa-co = <abbr title="About 21 counties in 2023">21 counties</abbr> | inat-co = <abbr title="About 16 counties in 2023">16 counties</abbr> | image1 = 20150811Filipendula ulmaria2.jpg }}<!-- ------------------------------------------------------------ --> {{../taxon | species = Filipendula vulgaris | author = Moench <!-- -- --> | syns = {{../sp-1|1753|Spiraea filipendula |L.}} {{../sp-1|1768|Ulmaria filipendula |(L.) Hill}} {{../sp-1|1782|Filipendula hexapetala |Gilib. (opus utique oppr.)}} {{../sp-1|1794|'''Filipendula vulgaris'''|Moench}} {{../sp-1|1822|Spiraea vulgaris |(Moench) Gray (nom. superfl.)}} {{../var1|1824|Spiraea filipendula |L. |vulgaris |Cambess.}} {{../sp-1|1879|Filipendula hexapetala |Gilib. ''superfl''.}} {{../sp-1|1788|Ulmaria filipendula |(L.) Hill ex Focke}} {{../sp-1|1894|Filipendula filipendula |(L.) Voss (not validly publ.)}} {{../sp-1|1915|Ulmaria angustifolia |Rehder}} <!-- -- --> | en1 = Dropwort | en2 = Common queen-of-the-meadow | fr1 = Filipendule vulgaire | fr2 = Filipendule <!-- -- --> | status = Introduced | from = temperate Eurasia | status1 = Not naturalized <!-- -- --> | nyfa = {{../nyfa|2708|X|}} | usda = {{../usda|FIVU|XX|}} | col-id = | gbif = 2988069 | inat = 62020-Filipendula-vulgaris | pow-id = 724945-1 | wfo-id = | vascan = 8750 | gobot = filipendula/vulgaris | its-id = 25172 | ars-id = 104611 | fna-i1 = | fna-i2 = Filipendula_vulgaris | tro-id = 27800060 | nse-id = | ipn-id = | map = Filipendula vulgaris nymap.svg | nyfa-co = <abbr title="Madison, Chemung (1938)">Madison, Chemung (1938)</abbr> | inat-co = <abbr title="No research-grade observations, a few cultivated">No RG observations</abbr> | image1 = Rosaceae - Filipendula vulgaris-1 (8303629717).jpg }}<!-- ------------------------------------------------------------ --> {{../end table }}<!-- ------------------------------------------------------------ --> ==Tribe Rubeae== The Rubeae include the genera ''Rubus'' and ''Dalibarda'' (which is here treated as a monospecific subgenus of ''Rubus''. ===''Rubus''=== ====''Rubus'' subg. ''Chamaemorus''==== {{:Flora of New York/txt |img=Rosaceae- Rubus chamaemorus (Cloudberry) 2.jpg |cap=''Rubus chamaemorus'' |The native status of '''cloudberry''' (''Rubus chamaemorus'') in New York could be subject to question. It is a circumboreal bramble, native to all provinces of Canada and present in the states of Alaska, Minnesota, New Hampshire, and Maine. However, the only vouchered report of cloudberry growing outside of cultivation in New York was from Montauk in Suffolk County, Long Island in 1908.<ref>[http://www.torreybotanical.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Juncus_diffusissimus_NY.pdf Eric E. Lamont and Stephen M. Young (2005) "''Juncus diffusissimus'', an addition to the flora of New York, with notes on its recent spread in the United States." ''The Journal of the Torrey Botanical Society'', '''132(4)''': 635-643. 2005.]</ref><ref>[http://libotanical.org/newsletters/0401.pdf H. K. Svenson (1936) "The Early Vegetation of Long Island," ''Brooklyn Botanical Garden Record'' 25: 207-227. Republished in the ''Long Island Botanical Society Newsletter'', p.2, 1994.]</ref> }} {{../table|order=Rosales|Rosaceae|Rosoideae|Rubeae||Rubus|Chamaemorus| }}<!-- ------------------------------------------------------------ --> {{../genus|Rubus|Cloudberry|843|30|subg=Chamaemorus| }}<!-- ------------------------------------------------------------ --> {{../taxon | species = Rubus chamaemorus | author = L. <!-- -- --> | syns = {{../sp-1|1753|'''Rubus chamaemorus'''|L.}} {{../sp-1|1906|Chamaemorus anglica |Greene}} {{../sp-1|1906|Chamaemorus norwegica |Greene}} {{../sp-1|1920|Chamaemorus chamaemorus|(L.) House (not validly publ.)}} <!-- -- --> | en1 = Cloudberry | en2 = Baked-apple-berry | en3 = Salmon-berry | en4 = Malka | fr1 = Chicouté | fr2 = Ronce petit-mûrier | fr3 = Mûres blanches <!-- -- --> | status = Native | status1 = No recent reports | status2 = Impersistent | c-rank = 10 | nwi1 = FACW | habit0 = Perennial | habit1 = Herb-subshrub | light = Sun <!-- -- --> | nyfa = {{../nyfa|6526|Z|Suffolk county only}} | usda = {{../usda|RUCH|NN|}} | vascan = 8928 | gobot = rubus/chamaemorus | its-id = 24850 | ars-id = 32286 | tro-id = 27800175 | ipn-id = | lbj-id = RUCH | nse-id = | bna-id = | map = Rubus chamaemorus nymap.svg | nyfa-co = <abbr title="Herbarium specimens from Suffolk (1908) only as of 1/4/2024">Suffolk (1908)</abbr> | inat-co = <abbr title="Research-grade observations from 0 counties as of 1/4/2024">No NY observations</abbr> | image1 = Hjortron.png }}<!-- ------------------------------------------------------------ --> {{../end table}} ====''Rubus'' subg. ''Dalibarda''==== {{../txt |img=Rubus repens 15-p.bot-dali.repens-6.jpg |cap=''Rubus repens'' |''Dalibarda'' has been treated as a {{fny-gloss|monospecific}} genus, but the Flora of North America Editorial Committee (2014)<ref>[http://www.tropicos.org/Name/50334377?tab=references Flora of North America Editorial Committee. 2014. Magnoliophyta: Picramniaceae to Rosaceae. Fl. N. Amer. 9: i–xxiv, 1–713. Listed in Tropicos.org. Missouri Botanical Garden. 05 Jul 2015 (http://www.tropicos.org/Name/50334377)]</ref> treats it as a subgenus of ''Rubus''. Its leaves superficially resemble those of violets, but its flowers and fruit are clearly ''rubusesque''. There continues to be disagreement about whether ''R. dalibarda'' or ''R. repens'' should be the accepted species name. ''Rubus repens'' was found to be invalid but has been proposed for conservation as the accepted name.<ref>[https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/tax.12999 Turner, I.M. (2023), (2980) Proposal to conserve the name Rubus repens (L.) Kuntze against R. repens Weston (Rosaceae). TAXON, 72: 942-942. https://doi.org/10.1002/tax.12999]</ref> Subgenus ''Dalibarda'' does appear to form a strongly-supported clade with the rest of ''Rubus'' and may nest within ''Rubus''.<ref>[https://bsapubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.2307/2656957 Alice, L.A. and Campbell, C.S. (1999), Phylogeny of Rubus (rosaceae) based on nuclear ribosomal DNA internal transcribed spacer region sequences . Am. J. Bot., 86: 81-97. https://doi.org/10.2307/2656957]</ref> }} {{../table|order=Rosales|Rosaceae|Rosoideae|Rubeae||Rubus|Dalibarda| }}<!-- ------------------------------------------------------------ --> {{../genus|Rubus|Dewdrop|685|1|subg=Dalibarda }}<!-- ------------------------------------------------------------ --> {{../taxon | species = Rubus repens | au-abbr = (L.) Kuntze | au-full = | au-pub = Revis. Gen. Pl. 1: 223. 1891. <!-- -- --> | syns = {{../sp-1|1753|Dalibarda repens |L.}} {{../sp-1|1762|Rubus dalibarda |L. (nom. superfl.)}} {{../sp-1|1770|Rubus repens |Weston (nom. rej. prop.)}} {{../sp-1|1803|Dalibarda violioides |Michx.}} {{../sp-1|1806|Dalibarda cordata |Stephan (nom. superfl.)}} {{../for1|1879|Rubus dalibarda |L. |caespitosus |Kuntze}} {{../for1|1879|Rubus dalibarda |L. |laciniostipulatus |Kuntze}} {{../sp-1|1891|'''Rubus repens''' |(L.) Kuntze (nom. cons. prop.)}} <!-- -- --> | en1 = Dewdrop | en2 = Robin runaway | en3 = False-violet | en4 = Star-violet | fr1 = Dalibarde rampante <!-- -- --> | status = Native | status1 = Likely secure | c-rank = 9 | nwi1 = FAC | habit0 = Perennial | habit1 = Herb-forb | light = Part shade - shade <!-- -- --> | nyfa = {{../nyfa|6508|4|Rubus repens (L.) Kuntze - dewdrop - Cool hardwood and coniferous forests as well as hummocks in forested swamps. Predominately in shaded habitats with wet-mesic soils.}} | usda = {{../usda|DARE|NN|Dalibarda repens L.}} | col-id = 4TJW9 <!-- Rubus dalibarda L. 2023 --> | gbif = 2999946 <!-- Dalibarda repens L. (based on COL 2023) --> | pow-id = 223505-2 <!-- Rubus repens (L.) Kuntze --> | wfo-id = 0000988537 <!-- Rubus repens (L.) Kuntze --> | vascan = 8727 <!-- Rubus repens (L.) Kuntze --> | gobot = rubus/dalibarda <!-- Rubus dalibarda L. 2023 --> | inat = 924430-Rubus-repens | its-id = 520495 <!-- Rubus repens (L.) Kuntze --> | ars-id = 470540 <!-- Rubus repens (L.) Kuntze --> | fna-i1 = 250100445 <!-- Rubus repens (L.) Kuntze --> | fna-i2 = Rubus_repens | tro-id = 50334377 <!-- Rubus repens (L.) Kuntze --> | ipn-id = | lbj-id = DARE <!-- Dalibarda repens L. 2023 --> | nse-id = Rubus+repens <!-- Rubus repens (L.) Kuntze --> | bna-id = Rubus%20dalibarda | map = nymap.svg | image1 = Dalibarda repens 4284 (2x3).JPG }}<!-- ------------------------------------------------------------ --> {{../end table}} ====''Rubus'' subg. ''Anoplobatus''==== {{../txt |img=Rubus odoratus G4.JPG |cap=''Rubus odoratus''<br>purple-flowering raspberry |The thornless ''Anoplobatus'' subgenus contains ''Rubus odoratus''. }}<!-- ------------------------------------------------------------ --> {{../table|order=Rosales|Rosaceae|Rosoideae|Rubeae||Rubus|Anoplobatus| }}<!-- ------------------------------------------------------------ --> {{../genus|Rubus|Raspberry|843|30|subg=Anoplobatus }}<!-- ------------------------------------------------------------ --> {{../taxon | species = Rubus odoratus | author = L. <!-- -- --> | syns = {{../sp-1|1753|'''Rubus odoratus'''|L.}} {{../var1|1892|Rubus odoratus |L. |columbianus |Millsp.}} {{../sp-1|1903|Rubacer odoratum |Rydb.}} {{../sp-1|1903|Rubacer columbianum |Rydb.}} {{../sp-1|1906|Bossekia odorata |Greene}} {{../sp-1|1912|Bossekia columbiana |A.Heller}} <!-- -- --> | en1 = Purple-flowering raspberry | en2 = Purple-flowered raspberry | en3 = Virginia raspberry | en4 = Thimbleberry | fr1 = Ronce odorante | fr2 = Framboisier sauvage | fr3 = Calottes <!-- -- --> | status = Native | status1 = Secure | c-rank = 7 | nwi1 = unranked | habit0 = Perennial | habit1 = Subshrub | light = Sun - shade <!-- -- --> | nyfa = {{../nyfa|2759|5|Forest edges, talus slopes, mesic rocky outcrops, disturbed soils in forests, and thickets. Generally in wet-mesic or sometimes mesic soils and often in at least partly shaded habitats.}} | usda = {{../usda|RUOD|NN|}} | vascan = 8941 | gobot = rubus/odoratus | its-id = 24997 | ars-id = 32402 | fna-id = 250100440 | tro-id = 27801320 | ipn-id = | lbj-id = RUOD | nse-id = Rubus+odoratus | bna-id = Rubus%20odoratus | map = <!-- auto --> | image1 = Rubus-odoratus-flower.JPG }}<!-- ------------------------------------------------------------ --> {{../end table}} ====''Rubus'' subg. ''Idaeobatus''==== {{../txt |img=Fertődi zenit málna.jpg |cap=''Rubus idaeus''<br>red raspberry |The ''Rubus'' subgenus ''Idaeobatus'' species are generally referred to as '''raspberries'''. }}<!-- ------------------------------------------------------------ --> {{../table|order=Rosales|Rosaceae|Rosoideae|Rubeae||Rubus|Idaeobatus| }}<!-- ------------------------------------------------------------ --> {{../genus|Rubus|Raspberry|843|30|subg=Idaeobatus| }}<!-- ------------------------------------------------------------ --> {{../taxon | species = Rubus idaeus | author = L. | ssp0 = strigosus | ssp-au = (Michx.) Focke <!-- -- --> | syns = {{../sp-1|1803|Rubus strigosus |Michx.}} {{../var1|1872|Rubus idaeus |L. |strigosus |(Michx.) Maxim.}} {{../sp-1|1906|Batidaea acalyphacea |Greene}} {{../sp-1|1906|Batidaea strigosa |(Michx.) Greene}} {{../sp-1|1907|Rubus egglestonii |Blanch.}} {{../ssp1|1911|'''Rubus idaeus''' |L. |'''strigosus'''|(Michx.) Focke}} {{../sp-1|1912|Batidaea egglestonii |(Blanch.) A.Heller}} {{../sp-1|1913|Rubus acalyphaceus |(Greene) Rydb.}} {{../sp-1|1913|Rubus carolinianus |Rydb.}} {{../sp-1|1913|Rubus arizonicus |(Greene) Rydb.}} {{../sp-1|1913|Rubus subarcticus |(Greene) Rydb.}} {{../sp-1|1945|Rubus aliceae |L.H.Bailey}} <!-- -- --> | en1 = American red raspberry | en2 = North American red raspberry | en3 = Grayleaf red raspberry | fr1 = Framboisier sauvage <!-- -- --> | status = Native | status1 = Secure | c-rank = 3 | nwi1 = FACU | nwi2 = FAC | habit0 = Perennial | habit1 = Shrub | light = | chro-no = | ny-rank = S5, G5-T5 <!-- -- --> | nyfa = {{../nyfa|2755|5|as Rubus idaeus ssp. strigosus}} | usda = {{../usda|RUIDS2|NN|as Rubus idaeus ssp. strigosus}} | col-id = BNZCD | gbif = 2993119 | pow-id = 223189-2 | wfo-id = 0001006872 | inat = | vascan = 8934 | gobot = rubus/idaeus | its-id = 524636 | ars-id = 467362 | fna-id = | tro-id = | ipn-id = | nse-id = | bna-id = | map = nymap.svg | image1 = Texter Mountain Nature Preserve (Revisited) (13) (9387620458).jpg }}<!-- ------------------------------------------------------------ --> {{../taxon | species = Rubus idaeus | author = L. | ssp0 = idaeus <!-- -- --> | syns = {{../sp-1|1753|'''Rubus idaeus''' |L.}} {{../sp-1|1770|Rubus cannabifolius |Weston}} {{../sp-1|1770|Rubus elegantissimus |Weston}} {{../var1|1770|Rubus idaeus |L. |albus |Weston}} {{../var1|1770|Rubus idaeus |L. |biflorus |Weston}} {{../var1|1770|Rubus idaeus |L. |laevis |Weston}} {{../sp-1|1789|Rubus daeus ruber |Aiton}} {{../sp-1|1796|Rubus fragrans |Salisb.}} {{../sp-1|1811|Rubus obtusifolius |Willd.}} {{../sp-1|1915|Batidaea idaea |(L.) Nieuwl.}} {{../sp-1|1915|Batidaea vulgaris |Nieuwl.}} <!-- -- --> | en1 = European red raspberry | en2 = Framboisier <!-- -- --> | status = Introduced | from = Eurasia | status1 = | c-rank = | nwi1 = FACU | nwi2 = FAC | habit0 = Perennial | habit1 = Shrub | light = | chro-no = | ny-rank = SNA, G5-T5 <!-- -- --> | nyfa = {{../nyfa|2746|X|}} | usda = {{../usda|RUIDI|XX|}} | col-id = | gbif = | pow-id = 77232556-1 | wfo-id = 0001006864 | inat = | vascan = | gobot = rubus/idaeus | its-id = 524635 | ars-id = 32348 | fna-id = | tro-id = | ipn-id = | nse-id = | bna-id = | map = nymap.svg | image1 = Fertődi zamatos málna 2.jpg }}<!-- ------------------------------------------------------------ --> {{../taxon | species = Rubus occidentalis | au-abbr = L. | au-full = | au-pub = Sp. Pl. 493 (1753) <!-- -- --> | syns = {{../sp-1|1753|'''Rubus occidentalis''' |L.}} {{../sp-1|1794|Rubus tomentosus |Borkh. (nom. superfl.)}} {{../var1|1828|Rubus idaeus |L. |americanus |Torr.}} {{../var1|1839|Rubus occidentalis |L. |incisus |Schltdl.}} {{../ssp1|1874|Rubus occidentalis |L. |euoccidentalis |Focke}} {{../var1|1890|Rubus occidentalis |L. |japonicus |Miyabe}} {{../var1|1891|Rubus occidentalis |L. |grandiflorus |Focke}} {{../var1|1898|Rubus fruticosus |L. |tomentosus |Fiori}} {{../var1|1902|Rubus occidentalis |L. |pallidus |L.H.Bailey}} {{../var1|1905|Rubus occidentalis |L. |flavobaccus |Blanch.}} {{../sp-1|1906|Melanobatus occidentalis |(L.) Greene}} <!-- -- --> | en1 = Black raspberry | en2 = Black cap | en3 = Thimbleberry | fr1 = Framboisier de Virginie <!-- -- --> | status = Native | status1 = Secure | c-rank = 3 | nwi1 = | habit0 = Perennial | habit1 = Shrub | light = | chro-no = | ny-rank = S5, G5 <!-- -- --> | nyfa = {{../nyfa|2751|5|}} | usda = {{../usda|RUOC|NN|}} | col-id = 4TL3H | gbif = | pow-id = 223350-2 | wfo-id = | inat = | vascan = 8940 | gobot = rubus/occidentalis | its-id = 24854 | ars-id = 32401 | fna-id = | tro-id = | ipn-id = | nse-id = | bna-id = Rubus%20occidentalis | image1 = 2018-06-15 10 27 01 Black raspberries ripening along a walking path in the Franklin Farm section of Oak Hill, Fairfax County, Virginia.jpg }}<!-- ------------------------------------------------------------ --> {{../taxon | species = Rubus × neglectus | author = Peck (pro sp.) <!-- -- --> | hp1 = Rubus occidentalis | hp2 = Rubus idaeus ssp. strigosus <!-- -- --> | en1 = Purple wild raspberry <!-- -- --> | status = Native | status1 = Not assessed | c-rank = | nwi1 = | habit0 = Perennial | habit1 = Vine, Shrub | light = | chro-no = | ny-rank = SNA, GNA <!-- -- --> | nyfa = {{../nyfa|2702|2?|}} | usda = {{../usda|RUIDS2|NN|as Rubus idaeus ssp. strigosus}} | col-id = | gbif = | pow-id = | wfo-id = | inat = | vascan = | gobot = | its-id = 24989 | ars-id = | fna-id = | tro-id = | ipn-id = | nse-id = | bna-id = | map = nymap.svg | image1 = Nidda Fauerbach Rubus idaeus ws.png }}<!-- ------------------------------------------------------------ --> {{../taxon | species = Rubus phoenicolasius | author = Maxim. <!-- -- --> | syns = {{../sp-1|1872|Rubus phoenicolasius |Maxim.}} <!-- -- --> | en1 = Wineberry | en2 = Japanese wineberry | en3 = Wine raspberry | status = Introduced | from = temperate Asia | status1 = Highly invasive | c-rank = | nwi1 = | habit0 = | habit1 = <!-- -- --> | nyis = 86%<ref>{{../nyis-ref|Rubus phoenicolasius|High|86|}}</ref> | nyfa = {{../nyfa|2720|X|}} | usda = {{../usda|RUPH|X0|}} | ref-21 = CP-4<ref name=CP4>{{../ref|CP4}}</ref> NE-4<ref name=NE4>{{../ref|NE4}}</ref> | col-id = | gbif = | pow-id = | wfo-id = | inat = | vascan = | gobot = rubus/phoenicolasius | its-id = 25017 | ars-id = 32416 | fna-id = | tro-id = | ipn-id = | nse-id = | bna-id = | map = Rubus phoenicolasius nymap.svg | image1 = Japanse wijnbes rijpe vruchten.jpg }}<!-- ------------------------------------------------------------ --> {{../taxon | species = Rubus illecebrosus | author = Focke <!-- -- --> | syns = {{../sp-1|1899|Rubus illecebrosus|Focke}} <!-- -- --> | en1 = Strawberry raspberry | en2 = Charming raspberry | fr1 = Framboisier fraisier <!-- -- --> | status = Introduced | from = eastern Asia | status1 = Potentially invasive | c-rank = | nwi1 = | habit0 = | habit1 = <!-- -- --> | nyfa = {{../nyfa|2785|X|}} | usda = {{../usda|RUIL|XX|}} | ref-21 = [http://www.invasive.org/browse/subinfo.cfm?sub=11585 IO] | col-id = | gbif = | pow-id = | wfo-id = | inat = | vascan = | gobot = rubus/illecebrosus | its-id = 504856 | ars-id = 32354 | fna-id = | tro-id = | ipn-id = | nse-id = | bna-id = | map = | image1 = Rubus illecebrosus - fruit (aka).jpg }}<!-- ------------------------------------------------------------ --> {{../taxon | species = Rubus parvifolius | au-abbr = L. | au-full = | au-pub = <!-- -- --> | syns = {{../sp-1|1753|Rubus parvifolius|L.}} {{../sp-1|1784|Rubus triphyllus|Thunb.}} {{../sp-1|1833|Rubus purpureus|Bunge}} <!-- -- --> | en-vns = {{../vn1|Japanese raspberry|2021 NYFA}} {{../vn1|Small-leaf bramble|2021 iNaturalist}} {{../vn1|Trailing raspberry|1961 Webster's third new international dictionary.}} | fr-vns = {{../vn1||}} {{../vn1||}} {{../vn1||}} <!-- -- --> | status = Introduced | from = Asia | from1 = Australia | status1 = Potentially invasive | status2 = Naturalized | c-rank = X | nwi1 = | habit0 = | habit1 = | light = | chro-no = | ny-rank = SNA <!-- -- --> | nyfa = {{../nyfa|7605|Xn|}} | usda = {{../usda|||}} | col-id = | gbif = | pow-id = | wfo-id = | inat = 51645-Rubus-parvifolius | vascan = | gobot = rubus/parvifolius | its-id = | ars-id = 32409 | fna-id = | fna-i1 = | fna-i2 = | tro-id = 27803708 | nwg-id = | ipn-id = | lbj-id = | nse-id = | bna-id = | bbg-id = | cpc-id = | cab-id = | eol-id = | kew-id = | red-id = | mbg-id = | adf-id = | fed-id = | fws-id = | bug-id = | map = nymap.svg | cos = NYFA: <abbr title="Onondaga (2016)">1 county</abbr> | image1 = Rubus parvifolius 0907.JPG }}<!-- ------------------------------------------------------------ --> {{../end table }}<!-- ------------------------------------------------------------ --> ====''Rubus'' subg. ''Rubus''==== Subgenus ''Rubus'' contains the blackberries and dewberries. =====''Rubus'' subg. ''Rubus'' sect. ''Allegheniensis''===== {{../txt |img=2016-07-25 16 21 11 Blackberries along the Blue Ridge Parkway in Deep Gap, Yancey County, North Carolina.jpg |cap=''Rubus allegheniensis'' |''Rubus'' L. sect. '''''Allegheniensis''''' contains ''Rubus allegheniensis'', ''R. alumnus'', and ''R. pennus''.<ref>[https://npgsweb.ars-grin.gov/gringlobal/taxon/taxonomyspecieslist?id=18622&type=section ''Rubus'' L. sect. ''Allegheniensis'' in USDA-ARS, GRIN-Global, U.S. National Plant Germplasm System. 23 September 2023]</ref> Of these, only ''R. allegheniensis'' is listed for New York State. }} {{../table|order=Rosales|Rosaceae|Rosoideae|Rubeae||Rubus|Rubus|Allegheniensis| }}<!-- ------------------------------------------------------------ --> {{../genus|Rubus|Blackberry|843|30|subg=Rubus|sect=Allegheniensis| }}<!-- ------------------------------------------------------------ --> {{../taxon | species = Rubus allegheniensis | author = Porter <!-- -- --> | syns = {{../var1|1890|Rubus villosus |Aiton not Thunb. |montanus |Porter}} {{../sp-1|1894|Rubus montanus |(Porter) Porter (later homonym)}} {{../sp-1|1896|'''Rubus allegheniensis'''|Porter}} {{../sp-1|1906|Rubus pergratus |Blanch.}} {{../sp-1|1906|Rubus amnicola |Blanch.}} {{../sp-1|1945|Rubus avipes |L.H.Bailey}} <!-- -- --> | en1 = Allegheny blackberry | en2 = Common blackberry | en3 = Highbush blackberry | fr1 = Ronce des Alléghanys | fr2 = Mûrier | fr3 = Ronce alléghanienne | status = Native | status1 = Secure | c-rank = 3 | nwi1 = FACU | habit0 = Perennial | habit1 = Shrub <!-- -- --> | nyfa = {{../nyfa|2747|5|}} | usda = {{../usda|RUAL|NN|}} | vascan = 8920 | gobot = rubus/allegheniensis | its-id = 24866 | ars-id = 32254 | fna-id = 242417156 | tro-id = 27801178 | ipn-id = | lbj-id = | nse-id = | bna-id = | bbg-id = | cpc-id = | cab-id = | eol-id = | kew-id = | red-id = | mbg-id = | adf-id = | fed-id = | fws-id = | bug-id = | map = Rubus allegheniensis NY-dist-map.png | image1 = Rubus allegheniensis NRCS-015.jpg }}<!-- ------------------------------------------------------------ --> {{../end table}} =====''Rubus'' subg. ''Rubus'' sect. ''Canadenses''===== {{../txt |img=Rubus canadensis (3813766870).jpg |cap=''Rubus canadensis'' |''Rubus'' L. sect. '''''Canadenses''''' contains ''Rubus canadensis'' and ''R. kennedyanus''.<ref>[https://npgsweb.ars-grin.gov/gringlobal/taxon/taxonomyspecieslist?id=18620&type=section ''Rubus'' L. sect. ''Canadenses'' in USDA-ARS, GRIN-Global, U.S. National Plant Germplasm System. 23 September 2023]</ref> Of these, only ''Rubus canadensis'' is listed for New York State. }} {{../table|order=Rosales|Rosaceae|Rosoideae|Rubeae||Rubus|Rubus|Canadenses| }}<!-- ------------------------------------------------------------ --> {{../genus|Rubus|Blackberry|843|30|subg=Rubus|sect=Canadenses| }}<!-- ------------------------------------------------------------ --> {{../taxon | species = Rubus canadensis | author = L. <!-- -- --> | syns = {{../sp-1|1753|'''Rubus canadensis''' |L.}} {{../sp-1|1891|Rubus millspaughii |Britton}} {{../sp-1|1895|Selnorition canadensis |(L.) Raf. ex B.D.Jacks.}} {{../sp-1|1901|Rubus randii |(L.H.Bailey) Rydb.}} {{../sp-1|1931|Rubus kennedyanus |Fernald}} {{../sp-1|1932|Rubus montensis |L.H.Bailey}} {{../sp-1|1944|Rubus acridens |L.H.Bailey}} {{../sp-1|1944|Rubus ulterior |L.H.Bailey}} {{../sp-1|1947|Rubus besseyi |L.H.Bailey}} <!-- -- --> | en1 = Smooth blackberry | en2 = Smooth bramble | en3 = Thornless blackberry | status = Native | status1 = Vulnerable | c-rank = | nwi1 = | habit0 = | habit1 = <!-- -- --> | nyfa = {{../nyfa|2777|3?|}} | usda = {{../usda|RUCA16|NN|}} | vascan = | gobot = Rubus/canadensis | its-id = | ars-id = 32281 | tro-id = 27801823 | map = | image1 = Rubus canadensis perrons black.jpg }}<!-- ------------------------------------------------------------ --> {{../end table}} =====''Rubus'' subg. ''Rubus'' sect. ''Arguti''===== {{../txt |img=Rubus pensilvanicus flowers.JPG |cap=''Rubus pensilvanicus'' |The Flora of North America Editorial Committee (2014) treats the '''Yankee blackberry''' (''R. frondosus''), '''Burnham's blackberry''' (''R. burnhamii''), and the '''prickly Florida blackberry''' (''R. argutus'') as being among the 72 synonyms of the '''Pennsylvania blackberry''' (''R. pensilvanicus'').<ref>[http://www.tropicos.org/Name/27801334?tab=synonyms ''Rubus pensilvanicus'' Poir. at Tropicos.org. Missouri Botanical Garden. 04 Jul 2015 <http://www.tropicos.org/Name/27801334>]</ref><ref>[http://data.canadensys.net/vascan/taxon/8944 ''Rubus pensilvanicus'' Poir. at ''Canadensys'', VASCAN last updated on 2015-06-29]</ref> ITIS also lists '''Rydberg's blackberry''' (''R. rydbergianus''), along with the other three, as a synonym of (''R. pensilvanicus'').<ref>[http://www.itis.gov/servlet/SingleRpt/SingleRpt?search_topic=TSN&search_value=504874 ''Rubus pensilvanicus'' Poir. at ''Integrated Taxonomic Information System'' (ITIS) (http://www.itis.gov). 04 Jul 2015]</ref> This leaves sect. ''Arguti'' equivalent to ''Rubus pensilvanicus'' itself. }}<!-- ------------------------------------------------------------ --> {{../table|order=Rosales|Rosaceae|Rosoideae|Rubeae||Rubus|Rubus|Arguti| }}<!-- ------------------------------------------------------------ --> {{../genus|Rubus|Blackberry|843|30|subg=Rubus|sect=Arguti| }}<!-- ------------------------------------------------------------ --> {{../taxon | species = Rubus pensilvanicus | au-abbr = Poir. | au-full = | au-pub = J.B.A.M.de Lamarck, Encycl. 6: 246 (1804) <!-- -- --> | syns = {{../sp-1|1804|'''Rubus pensilvanicus'''|Poir.}} {{../sp-1|1822|Rubus argutus |Link}} {{../sp-1|1824|Rubus frondosus |Bigelow}} {{../sp-1|1913|Rubus brainerdii |Rydb.}} {{../sp-1|1932|Rubus abactus |L.H.Bailey}} {{../sp-1|1933|Rubus penetrans |L.H.Bailey}} {{../sp-1|1945|Rubus barbarus |L.H.Bailey}} {{../sp-1|1945|Rubus bellobatus |L.H.Bailey}} {{../sp-1|1945|Rubus blakei |L.H.Bailey}} {{../sp-1|1945|Rubus burnhamii |L.H.Bailey}} {{../sp-1|1945|Rubus rydbergianus |L.H.Bailey}} <!-- -- --> | en1 = Pennsylvania blackberry | en2 = Pennsylvania raspberry | fr1 = Ronce de Pennsylvanie <!-- -- --> | status = Native | status1 = Secure | c-rank = 3 | nwi1 = | habit0 = | habit1 = <!-- -- --> | nyfa = {{../nyfa|2749|5|}} | usda = {{../usda|RUPE3|NN|}} | col-id = 4TM7H <!-- Rubus × pensilvanicus Poir. --> | gbif = 2989061 <!-- Rubus ×pensilvanicus Poir. --> | pow-id = 30263954-2 <!-- Rubus pensilvanicus Poir. --> | wfo-id = 0001007097 <!-- Rubus pensilvanicus Poir. --> | inat = 78894-Rubus-pensilvanicus <!-- Rubus pensilvanicus --> | vascan = 8944 <!-- Rubus pensilvanicus Poiret --> | gobot = rubus/pensilvanicus | its-id = 504874 | ars-id = 104942 <!-- Rubus pensilvanicus Poir. --> | fna-i1 = 242417169 | fna-i2 = Rubus_pensilvanicus | tro-id = 27801334 | map = | image1 = Rubus pensilvanicus iNat 3654011.jpg }}<!-- ------------------------------------------------------------ --> {{../end table}} =====''Rubus'' subg. ''Rubus'' sect. ''Cuneifolii''===== {{../txt |img=Rubus cuneifolius NRCS-1.jpg |cap=''Rubus cuneifolius'' | }} {{../table|order=Rosales|Rosaceae|Rosoideae|Rubeae||Rubus|Rubus|Cuneifolii| }}<!-- ------------------------------------------------------------ --> {{../genus|Rubus|Blackberry|843|30|subg=Rubus|sect=Cuneifolii| }}<!-- ------------------------------------------------------------ --> {{../taxon | species = Rubus cuneifolius | au-abbr = Pursh | au-full = | au-pub = Fl. Amer. Sept. 1: 347 (1814) <!-- -- --> | syns = {{../sp-1|1788|Rubus parvifolius |Walter (sensu auct.)}} {{../sp-1|1814|'''Rubus cuneifolius'''|Pursh}} {{../var1|1925|Rubus cuneifolius |Pursh |angustior |L.H.Bailey}} {{../sp-1|1932|Rubus audax |L.H.Bailey}} {{../sp-1|1938|Rubus longii |Fernald}} {{../var1|1941|Rubus cuneifolius |Pursh |subellipticus |Fernald}} {{../sp-1|1943|Rubus chapmanii |L.H.Bailey}} {{../sp-1|1943|Rubus georgiensis |L.H.Bailey}} {{../sp-1|1943|Rubus humei |L.H.Bailey}} {{../sp-1|1943|Rubus randolphiorum |L.H.Bailey}} {{../sp-1|1943|Rubus probativus |L.H.Bailey}} {{../sp-1|1970|Rubus dixiensis |H.A.Davis, A.M.Fuller & T.Davis}} <!-- -- --> | en1 = Sand blackberry <!-- -- --> | status = Native | status1 = Endangered | status2 = No recent reports | c-rank = 10 | nwi1 = | habit0 = Perennial | habit1 = Shrub <!-- -- --> | nyfa = {{../nyfa|2758|1|}} | usda = {{../usda|RUCU|N0|Endangered in CT, NH, NY, PA}} | col-id = 4TJVP | gbif = 2996841 | inat = 128854-Rubus-cuneifolius | pow-id = 30201781-2 | wfo-id = 0001006778 | vascan = | gobot = | its-id = 24905 | ars-id = 32304 | map = Rubus cuneifolius NY-dist-map.png | nyfa-co = <abbr title="Nassau (1907), Richmond (1868-90), Suffolk">3 counties</abbr> | inat-co = <abbr title="Nassau (2020), Suffolk (2023)">2 counties</abbr> | image1 = Sand-Blackberry-flower (5622475257) (3x4).gif }}<!-- ------------------------------------------------------------ --> {{../end table}} =====''Rubus'' subg. ''Rubus'' sect. ''Setosi''===== {{../txt |img= |cap= |The Flora of North America Editorial Committee (2014) treats both the '''Bristly Oswego blackberry''' (''R. dissimilis'') and the '''Vermont blackberry''' (''R. vermontanus'') as being among the 40 synonyms of the '''Bristly blackberry''' (''R. setosus'').<ref>[http://www.tropicos.org/Name/27801373?tab=synonyms ''Rubus setosus'' Bigelow at Tropicos.org. Missouri Botanical Garden. 04 Jul 2015]</ref><ref>[http://data.canadensys.net/vascan/taxon/8947 ''Rubus setosus'' Bigelow at ''Canadensys'', VASCAN last updated on 2015-06-29]</ref> }}<!-- ------------------------------------------------------------ --> {{../table|order=Rosales|Rosaceae|Rosoideae|Rubeae||Rubus|Rubus|Setosi| }}<!-- ------------------------------------------------------------ --> {{../genus|Rubus|Blackberry|843|30|subg=Rubus|sect=Setosi| }}<!-- ------------------------------------------------------------ --> {{../taxon | species = Rubus setosus | au-abbr = Bigelow | au-full = | au-pub = Fl. Boston.: 198 (1824) <!-- -- --> | syns = {{../sp-1|1824|'''Rubus setosus'''|Bigelow}} {{../sp-1|1901|Rubus nigricans |Rydb. (nom. illeg.)}} {{../sp-1|1904|Rubus vermontanus |Blanch.}} {{../var1|1904|Rubus vermontanus |Blanch. |viridifolius |Blanch.}} {{../sp-1|1906|Rubus groutianus |Blanch.}} {{../sp-1|1907|Rubus semisetosus |Blanch.}} {{../sp-1|1932|Rubus wheeleri |L.H.Bailey}} {{../sp-1|1941|Rubus dissimilis |L.H.Bailey}} {{../sp-1|1941|Rubus lawrencei |L.H.Bailey}} {{../sp-1|1947|Rubus beatus |L.H.Bailey}} {{../sp-1|1947|Rubus condignus |L.H.Bailey}} {{../sp-1|1947|Rubus viridifrons |L.H.Bailey}} <!-- -- --> | en1 = Bristly blackberry | en2 = Setose blackberry | en3 = Small bristleberry | en4 = Bristly raspberry | fr1 = Ronce sétuleuse <!-- -- --> | status = Native | status1 = Likely secure | c-rank = 2 | nwi1 = FACW | habit0 = Perennial | habit1 = Shrub | light = | chro-no = | ny-rank = S4 | ns-rank = <!-- -- --> | nyfa = {{../nyfa|6536|4|}} | usda = {{../usda|RUSE|NN|}} | col-id = 4TM7S <!-- Rubus × setosus Bigelow --> | gbif = 7769228 <!-- Rubus ×setosus Bigelow --> | inat = 168165-Rubus-setosus | pow-id = 740337-1 <!-- Rubus setosus Bigelow --> | wfo-id = 0001007245 <!-- Rubus setosus Bigelow --> | vascan = 8947 | gobot = rubus/setosus | its-id = 25046 | ars-id = 104974 | fna-id = 250100446 | tro-id = 27801373 | map = | image1 = Rubus setosus as Rubus nigricans BB-1913.png }}<!-- ------------------------------------------------------------ --> {{../end table}} =====''Rubus'' subg. ''Rubus'' sect. ''Rubus''===== {{../txt |img=Rubus laciniatus 06.jpg |cap=''Rubus laciniatus'' |'''Sect. ''Rubus''''' contains somewhat invasive Old World species of ''Rubus'' subg. ''Rubus''. The primary species of this section in New York State is ''Rubus laciniatus'' ('''cutleaf blackberry'''). The rare-in-NY but possibly naturalizing and invasive '''Himalayan blackberry''' (''Rubus bifrons'' and/or ''Rubus armeniacus''), listed in the New York Flora Atlas only in Bronx and Staten Island (2008), are treated as a single species (''R. bifrons'') by the Flora of North America. However in Eurasia, they appear to be two distinct species. iNaturalist allows both species, following Kew's POWO, and both have a significant number of research-grade observations in North America. }} {{../table|order=Rosales|Rosaceae|Rosoideae|Rubeae||Rubus|Rubus|Rubus| }}<!-- ------------------------------------------------------------ --> {{../genus|Rubus|Blackberry|843|30|subg=Rubus|sect=Rubus|subsect=Hiemales }}<!-- ------------------------------------------------------------ --> {{../taxon | species = Rubus laciniatus | au-abbr = Willd. | au-full = Willdenow | au-pub = | author = <!-- -- --> | syns = {{../sp-1|1806|'''Rubus laciniatus'''|Willd.}} {{../var1|1822|Rubus corylifolius |SM.? |laciniatus |(Willd.) Wallr.}} {{../sp-1|1858|'''Rubus nemoralis''' |P.J.Müll. (POWO accepted name 2023)}} {{../var1|1893|Rubus vulgaris |P.J.Müll.|laciniatus |(Weston) Dippel}} {{../var1|1902|Rubus bifrons |Vest |laciniatus |(Willd.) Murr}} {{../var1|1909|Rubus bifrons |Vest |laciniatus |(Weston) Dalla Torre & Sarnth.}} {{../for1|1914|Rubus vulgaris |P.J.Müll.|laciniatus |(Weston) Frid.}} {{../for1|2014|Rubus nemoralis |P.J.Müll.|laciniatus |(Willd.) A.Beek}} <!-- -- --> | en1 = Cutleaf blackberry | en2 = Cut-leaved blackberry | en3 = Evergreen blackberry | en4 = Cutleaf bramble | fr1 = Ronce laciniée <!-- -- --> | status = Introduced | status1 = Moderately invasive <!-- -- --> | nyis = 63%<ref>{{../nyis-ref|Rubus laciniatus|Moderate|63|all}}</ref> | c-rank = | nwi1 = | habit0 = | habit1 = <!-- -- --> | nyfa = {{../nyfa|6531|X|Cayu}} | usda = {{../usda|RULA|XX}} | col-id = 4TKMN <!-- Rubus laciniatus Willd. --> | gbif = 2992543 <!-- Rubus laciniatus Willd. --> | inat = 78891-Rubus-laciniatus | pow-id = 738594-1 <!-- Rubus nemoralis P.J.Müll. Flora 41: 139 (1858) --> | wfo-id = 0000984132 <!-- Rubus laciniatus Willd. --> | vascan = 8936 <!-- Rubus laciniatus Willdenow --> | gobot = | its-id = | ars-id = 32364 | fna-i1 = 242417164 | fna-i2 = Rubus_laciniatus | fna-id = | map = | image1 = Rubus in Poznan Lawica.jpg }}<!-- ------------------------------------------------------------ --> {{../taxon | species = Rubus bifrons | author = Vest ex Tratt. <!-- -- --> | syns = {{../sp-1|1821|'''Rubus bifrons'''|Vest}} {{../sp-1|1823|Rubus bifrons |Vest ex Tratt.}} {{../sp-1|1825|Rubus linkianus |Ser.}} {{../var1|1846|Rubus nemorosus |Hayne ex Willd. |bifrons |(Vest) Bab.}} {{../sp-1|1874|Rubus armeniacus |Focke (per FNA 2023)}} {{../sp-1|auct|Rubus procerus |non P.J.Müll. ex Genev}} {{../var1|1898|Rubus fruticosus |L. |bifrons |(Vest) Fiori}} <!-- -- --> | en-vns = {{../vn1|Himalayan berry |2023 GBIF Rubus bifrons Vest ex Tratt.}} {{../vn1|Himalayan blackberry |2023 New York Flora Atlas, Rubus bifrons Vest}} {{../vn1|Himalayan giant blackberry |2023 VASCAN: GRIN}} {{../vn1|Twice-leaved blackberry |2023 VASCAN: M.Anions}} <!-- -- --> | fr1 = Ronce discolore | status = Introduced | from = Europe | status1 = Moderately invasive | status2 = No NY specimens | nyis = 57%<ref>{{../nyis-ref|Rubus bifrons|Moderate|57|L}}</ref> | c-rank = | nwi1 = | habit0 = | habit1 = <!-- -- --> | nyfa = {{../nyfa|2754|X|none}} | usda = {{../usda|RUBI|X|Bronx (only)}} | col-id = | gbif = | inat = 168025-Rubus-bifrons | pow-id = 60449596-2 <!-- Rubus bifrons Vest (1821) --> | wfo-id = | vascan = 8925 | gobot = | its-id = 24891 | ars-id = 32274 | tro-id = 27801204 | map = nymap.svg | nyfa-co = <abbr title="Bronx, Richmond (2008)">2 counties</abbr> | inat-co = <abbr title="Nassau, Niagara, Queens, Suffolk">4 counties</abbr> | image1 = Rubus bifrons - Botanischer Garten, Frankfurt am Main - DSC02471.JPG }}<!-- ------------------------------------------------------------ --> {{../taxon | species = Rubus armeniacus | author = Focke | sn-of = Rubus bifrons | sn-o-au = Vest (per FNA 2023) <!-- -- --> | syns = {{../sp-1|1874|'''Rubus armeniacus'''|Focke}} {{../for1|1906|Rubus macrostemon |(Focke) Caflisch |armeniacus |(Focke) Sprib.}} {{../var1|1914|Rubus hedycarpus |Focke |armeniacus|Focke}} {{../sp-1|auct|Rubus discolor |non Weihe & Nees (1824)}} <!-- -- --> | en1 = Armenian Blackberry | en2 = Himalayan blackberry | en3 = Himalaya giant blackberry | status = Introduced | from = Caucasus | status1 = Moderately invasive | status2 = [http://www.invasive.org/weedcd/species/6338.htm IO] | nyis = 57%<ref>{{../nyis-ref|Rubus bifrons|Moderate|57|L}}</ref> | c-rank = | nwi1 = | habit0 = | habit1 = <!-- -- --> | nyfa = {{../nyfa|0|0|Not listed}} | usda = {{../usda|RUAR9|X|MA,NJ,PA,OH,ON}} | col-id = 4TJGY <!-- Rubus armeniacus Focke --> | gbif = | inat = | pow-id = 735202-1 <!-- Rubus armeniacus Focke --> | wfo-id = | vascan = | gobot = | its-id = 837296 | ars-id = 32263 | map = nymap.svg | nyfa-co = <abbr title="Follows Flora of North America by treating as a synonym of Rubus bifrons">Synonymized</abbr> | inat-co = <abbr title="A single "RG" observation in Washington County">1 county</abbr> | image1 = 20190624 Rubus armeniacus Drouwenerzand.jpeg }}<!-- ------------------------------------------------------------ --> {{../taxon | species = Rubus ulmifolius | au-abbr = Schott | au-full = | au-pub = Erneuerte Vaterl. Blätt. Oesterr. Kaiserstaat 11: 42 (1818), nom. cons. prop. <!-- -- --> | syns = {{../sp-1|1788|Rubus inermis |Pourr.}} {{../sp-1|1809|Rubus inermis |Willd.}} {{../sp-1|1818|'''Rubus ulmifolius'''|Schott}} {{../sp-1|1824|Rubus discolor |Weihe & Nees}} {{../var1|1825|Rubus flagellaris |Willd. |inermis |Ser.}} {{../sp-1|1861|Rubus rusticanus |Mercier}} {{../sp-1|1869|Rubus bellidiflorus |hort. ex K.Koch}} {{../var1|1903|Rubus ulmifolius |Schott |genuinus |Sudre}} {{../ssp1|1903|Rubus ulmifolius |Schott |vulgatus |Sudre}} {{../var1|1905|Rubus ulmifolius |Schott |bellidiflorus |C. K. Schneid.}} {{../var1|1914|Rubus ulmifolius |Schott |inermis |(Ser.) Focke}} <!-- -- --> | en-vns = {{../vn1|Elmleaf blackberry|2021 iNaturalist}} {{../vn1|Elm-leaved blackberry|2021 NYFA}} | fr-vns = <!-- -- --> | status = Introduced | status1 = Potentially invasive | status2 = | c-rank = | nwi1 = | habit0 = | habit1 = | light = | chro-no = | ny-rank = <!-- -- --> | nyfa = {{../nyfa|7604|Xm|}} | usda = {{../usda|||}} | gbif = 2996929 <!-- Rubus ulmifolius Schott --> | inat = 78895-Rubus-ulmifolius | pow-id = 740982-1 <!-- Rubus ulmifolius Schott --> | wfo-id = 0000985000 <!-- Rubus ulmifolius Schott --> | vascan = | gobot = | its-id = | ars-id = 313548 <!-- Rubus ulmifolius Schott --> | fna-id = | fna-i1 = | fna-i2 = | tro-id = | nwg-id = | ipn-id = | lbj-id = | nse-id = | bna-id = | bbg-id = | cpc-id = | cab-id = | eol-id = | kew-id = | red-id = | mbg-id = | adf-id = | fed-id = | fws-id = | bug-id = | map = nymap.svg | nyfa-co = <abbr title="Bronx (2016)">Bronx (2016)</abbr> | inat-co = <abbr title="No Research Grade observations in New York State 2023">No RG observations</abbr> | image1 = Macchiabjörnbär (Rubus ulmifolius)-2975 - Flickr - Ragnhild & Neil Crawford.jpg }}<!-- ------------------------------------------------------------ --> {{../end table}} =====''Rubus'' subg. ''Rubus'' sect. ''Hispidi''===== {{../txt |img=Rubus-hispidus-Acadia.jpg |cap=''Rubus hispidus'' | }} {{../table|order=Rosales|Rosaceae|Rosoideae|Rubeae||Rubus|Rubus|Hispidi| }}<!-- ------------------------------------------------------------ --> {{../genus|Rubus|Dewberry|843|30|subg=Rubus|sect=Hispidi| }}<!-- ------------------------------------------------------------ --> {{../taxon | species = Rubus hispidus | author = L. <!-- -- --> | syns = {{../sp-1|1753|Rubus hispidus |L.}} {{../var1|1923|Rubus hispidus |L. |blanchardianus |L.H.Bailey}} {{../sp-1|1824|Rubus sempervirens |Bigelow}} {{../var1|1940|Rubus hispidus |L. |obovalis |Fernald}} {{../sp-1|1941|Rubus blanchardianus |(L.H.Bailey) L.H.Bailey }} {{../sp-1|1941|Rubus fassettii |L.H.Bailey}} {{../var1|1941|Rubus hispidus |L. |cupulifer |L.H.Bailey}} {{../var1|1941|Rubus hispidus |L. |pervarius |L.H.Bailey}} <!-- -- --> | en1 = Bristly dewberry | en2 = Running blackberry | en3 = Swamp blackberry | en4 = Swamp dewberry | fr1 = Ronce hispide | status = Native | status1 = Secure | c-rank = | nwi1 = | habit0 = | habit1 = <!-- -- --> | nyfa = {{../nyfa|2756|5|}} | usda = {{../usda|RUHI|NN|}} | vascan = 8931 | gobot = rubus/hispidus | its-id = 24943 | ars-id = 32340 | tro-id = 27801261 | map = | image1 = Bristly Dewberry, Swamp Dewberry (Rubus hispidus) (2864363698).jpg }}<!-- ------------------------------------------------------------ --> {{../end table}} =====''Rubus'' subg. ''Rubus'' sect. ''Flagellares''===== {{../txt |img=Rubus flagellaris UGA1120430.jpg |cap=''Rubus flagellaris'' |The Flora of North America Editorial Committee (2014) treats both the '''Arundel blackberry''' (''R. arundelanus''), '''Enslen's blackberry''' (''R. enslenii''), and the '''Ithaca blackberry''' (''R. ithacanus'') as being among the 112 synonyms of the '''American dewberry''' (''R. flagellaris'').<ref>[http://www.tropicos.org/Name/27801236?tab=synonyms ''Rubus flagellaris'' Willd. at Tropicos.org. Missouri Botanical Garden. 04 Jul 2015 <http://www.tropicos.org/Name/27801236>]</ref><ref>[http://data.canadensys.net/vascan/taxon/8929 ''Rubus flagellaris'' Willd. at ''Canadensys'', VASCAN last updated on 2015-06-29]</ref> }} {{../table|order=Rosales|Rosaceae|Rosoideae|Rubeae||Rubus|Rubus|Flagellares| }}<!-- ------------------------------------------------------------ --> {{../genus|Rubus|Dewberry|843|30|subg=Rubus|sect=Flagellares| }}<!-- ------------------------------------------------------------ --> {{../taxon | species = Rubus flagellaris | au-abbr = Willd. | au-full = | au-pub = Enum. Pl. Hort. Berol. 2: 549 (1809) <!-- -- --> | syns = {{../sp-1|1809|'''Rubus flagellaris'''|Willd.}} {{../sp-1|1894|Rubus baileyanus |Britton}} {{../sp-1|1901|Rubus procumbens |Rydb}} {{../sp-1|1906|Rubus arenicola |Blanch.}} {{../sp-1|1906|Rubus geophilus |Blanch}} <!-- -- --> | en1 = American dewberry | en2 = Northern dewberry | en3 = Whiplash dewberry | en4 = Northern blackberry | fr1 = Ronce à flagelles | status = Native | status1 = Secure | c-rank = | nwi1 = | habit0 = | habit1 = <!-- -- --> | nyfa = {{../nyfa|2757|5|}} | usda = {{../usda|RUFL|NN|}} | vascan = 8929 | gobot = rubus/flagellaris | its-id = 24921 | ars-id = 104958 | fna-id = 242417161 | tro-id = 27801236 | map = | image1 = Rubus flagellaris WFNY-093B.jpg }}<!-- ------------------------------------------------------------ --> {{../end table}} =====''Rubus'' subg. ''Rubus'' sect. ''Caesii''===== {{../txt |img=Rubus caesius SSN-150707-01.jpg |cap=''Rubus caesius''<br>Eurasian dewberry |The '''European dewberry''' has only been reported outside of cultivation in limited number of counties in North America, including only a few from New York. As of July 2015, it was not listed on New York State's ''Non-Native Plant Species Invasiveness Assessment''.<ref>[http://www.nyis.info/?action=israt ''Non-Native Plant Species Invasiveness Assessment'']</ref> However the ''Finger Lakes Native Plant Society'',<ref>[http://flnps.org/plants/rubus-caesius ''Rubus caesius: Finger Lakes Native Plant Society'' website 2015.]</ref> ''Cornell Plantations'', and Tompkins County<ref>[http://www.tompkinscountyny.gov/files/emc/educationalmaterial/Invasive_plants_2009list.pdf Tompkins County 2009 ''Regional Invasive Species List'']</ref> all list ''Rubus caesius'' as an invasive plant. }}<!-- ------------------------------------------------------------ --> {{../table|order=Rosales|Rosaceae|Rosoideae|Rubeae||Rubus|Rubus|Caesii| }}<!-- ------------------------------------------------------------ --> {{../genus|Rubus|Dewberry|843|30|subg=Rubus|sect=Caesii| }}<!-- ------------------------------------------------------------ --> {{../taxon | species = Rubus caesius | author = L. <!-- -- --> | syns = {{../sp-1|1753|'''Rubus caesius''' |L.}} {{../sp-1|1782|Rubus caeruleus |Gilib.}} {{../var1|1829|Rubus polymorphus | |caesius |(L.) Spenn.}} {{../sp-1|1888|Rubus caesius intermedia |Schmidely}} {{../for1|1889|Rubus caesius |L. |eucaesius |Bouvet (not validly publ.)}} {{../sp-1|1891|Rubus caesius turkestanicus |Regel}} {{../ssp1|1894|Rubus fruticosus |L. |caesius |Bonnier & Layens}} {{../sp-1|1895|Selnorition cesius |(L.) Raf. ex B.D.Jacks.}} {{../var1|1898|Rubus fruticosus |L. |caesius |(L.) Fiori}} {{../sp-1|1937|Rubus psilophyllus |Nevski (nom. illeg.)}} <!-- -- --> | en1 = Eurasian dewberry | en2 = European dewberry | fr1 = Ronce bleue | fr2 = Ronce bleuâtre | status = Introduced | from = Eurasia | from1 = northern Africa | status1 = Moderately invasive | status2 = CP-3<ref name=CP3>{{../ref|CP3}}</ref> | c-rank = | nwi1 = | habit0 = | habit1 = <!-- -- --> | nyfa = {{../nyfa|2753|X|Onon}} | usda = {{../usda|RUCA|XX|}} | ref-21 = CP-3<ref name=CP3>{{../ref|CP3}}</ref> | col-id = | gbif = 2995209 | inat = | pow-id = 735608-1 | wfo-id = | vascan = 8926 | gobot = 0 | its-id = 24898 | ars-id = 32278 | tro-id = 27800345 | bna-id = Rubus%20caesius | map = nymap.svg | cos = | nyfa-co = <abbr title="Madison (2017), Onondaga (1951), Tioga (1923), Tompkins, Yates (1973)">5 counties</abbr> | inat-co = <abbr title="Cayuga, Erie, Livingston, Madison, Monroe, Niagara, Oneida, Onondaga, Ontario, Tompkins, Westchester">11 counties</abbr> | image1 = Gervuoge001.jpg }}<!-- ------------------------------------------------------------ --> {{../end table}} ====''Rubus'' subg. ''Cylactis''==== {{../txt |img=Rubus pubescens flower.jpg |cap=''Rubus pubescens''<br>dwarf raspberry | }}<!-- ------------------------------------------------------------ --> {{../table|order=Rosales|Rosaceae|Rosoideae|Rubeae||Rubus|Cylactis| }}<!-- ------------------------------------------------------------ --> {{../genus|Rubus|Blackberry|843|30|subg=Cylactis }}<!-- ------------------------------------------------------------ --> {{../taxon | species = Rubus pubescens | au-abbr = Raf. | au-full = | au-pub = Med. Repos. 2: 333 (1811) <!-- -- --> | syns = {{../sp-1|1803|Rubus saxatilis |Michx. (nom. illeg.)}} {{../sp-1|1811|'''Rubus pubescens''' |Raf.}} {{../sp-1|1819|Cylactis montana |Raf.}} {{../sp-1|1823|Rubus triflorus |Richardson}} {{../sp-1|1824|Rubus canadensis |Torr. (sensu auct.)}} {{../sp-1|1825|Rubus mucronatus |Ser.}} {{../sp-1|1893|Cylactis egopodioides |(Ser.) Raf. ex B.D.Jacks.}} {{../sp-1|1985|Cylactis pubescens |(Raf.) W.A.Weber}} <!-- -- --> | en1 = Dwarf raspberry | en2 = Dwarf red blackberry | en3 = Creeping red raspberry | en4 = Trailing red raspberry | en5 = Plumboy | fr1 = Ronce pubescente | fr2 = Catherinette <!-- -- --> | status = Native | status1 = Secure | c-rank = 8 | nwi1 = FACW | habit0 = Perennial | habit1 = Shrub | light = | chro-no = | ny-rank = S5 | ns-rank = <!-- -- --> | nyfa = {{../nyfa|6534|5|}} | usda = {{../usda|RUPUP2|NN|}} | col-id = | gbif = | inat = | pow-id = 284431-2 | wfo-id = | vascan = 8945 | gobot = rubus/pubescens | its-id = 25028 | ars-id = 32425 | fna-id = 250100444 | tro-id = 27800180 | ipn-id = | lbj-id = | nse-id = | bna-id = | bbg-id = | cpc-id = | cab-id = | eol-id = | kew-id = | red-id = | mbg-id = | adf-id = | fed-id = | fws-id = | bug-id = | map = | image1 = Rubus pubescens 1-eheep (5097346393).jpg }}<!-- ------------------------------------------------------------ --> {{../end table }}<!-- ------------------------------------------------------------ --> ==Tribe Colurieae== {{../txt |img=Waldsteinia fragarioides WFNY-099.jpg |cap=Appalachian barren strawberry |The New York members of the Colurieae tribe include about ten species of the genus '''''Geum''''' (avens) and a single species of '''''Waldsteinia''''' (barren strawberry). Modern phylogenetic evidence, including studies by Protopopova et al. (2022, 2023), supports treating ''Waldsteinia fragarioides'' as a separate genus rather than combining it under ''Geum'' <ref>M V Protopopova et al 2021 IOP Conf. Ser.: Earth Environ. Sci. 908 012027 [https://iop.org DOI 10.1088/1755-1315/908/1/012027]</ref><ref>Protopopova, Marina, et al. 2023. "Waldsteinia within Geum s.l. (Rosaceae): Main Aspects of Phylogeny and Speciation History" Diversity 15, no. 4: 479. https://doi.org/10.3390/d15040479</ref>. Full text and detailed descriptions can be found in the referenced web documents [https://doi.org/10.3390/d15040479]. }} ===''Waldsteinia''=== {{:Flora of New York/txt |img=Barren Strawberry (Geum fragarioides) - Guelph, Ontario 01.jpg |cap=''Waldsteinia fragarioides'' |The type species of the genus ''Waldsteinia'' was historically nested within ''Geum'' by J. E. E. Smedmark in 2006 <ref>[http://floranorthamerica.org James B. Phipps (2020). FNA Volume 9. page 71. Flora of North America Association 5 Nov. 2020]</ref>, but multi-gene sequencing has since reinstated its distinct genus status <ref>[https://unc.edu:{B11C4FFC-9504-4BD9-B2DA-3C57673422C8} Weakley, A.S., and Southeastern Flora Team (2023). Flora of the southeastern United States Web App.]</ref><ref>[https://www.mdpi.com/1424-2818/15/4/479 Protopopova, Marina, et al. (2023). "Waldsteinia within Geum s.l. (Rosaceae)"]</ref>. }} {{../table|order=Rosales|Rosaceae|Rosoideae|Colurieae||Waldsteinia| }}<!-- ------------------------------------ --> {{../genus|Waldsteinia|Barren strawberry|886|10| }}<!-- ------------------------------------ --> {{../taxon | species = Waldsteinia fragarioides | au-abbr = (Michx.) Tratt. | au-full = | au-pub = | ssp0 = fragarioides <!-- -- --> | syns = {{../sp-1|1803| Dalibarda fragarioides |Michx. |Fl. Bor.-Amer. 1: 300 (1803)}} {{../sp-1|1814| Rubus fragarioides |(Michx.) Dum.Cours. |Bot. Cult., ed. 2, 7: 293 (1814)}} {{../sp-1|1823| Waldsteinia fragarioides |(Michx.) Tratt. |Rosac. Monogr. 3: 107 (1823)}} {{../sp-1|1825| Comaropsis fragarioides |(Michx.) DC. ex Ser. |A.P.de Candolle, Prodr. 2: 555 (1825)}} {{../sp-1|1825| Dryas trifoliata |Pall. ex Ser. |A.P.de Candolle, Prodr. 2: 555 (1825)}} {{../sp-1|1840| Bossekia fragarioides |(Michx.) Raf |Autik. Bot.: 175 (1840)}} {{../sp-1|2006| Geum fragarioides |(Michx.) Smedmark |Bot. Jahrb. Syst. 126: 415 (2006) synonym layout}} {{../sp-1|2023| '''Waldsteinia fragarioides''' |(Michx.) Tratt. |reinstated by Protopopova et al. acc. by POW, Weakley}} <!-- -- --> | en-vns = {{../vn1|Appalachian barren strawberry|}} {{../vn1|Northern Barren Strawberry|}} {{../vn1|Dry strawberry|}} | fr-vns = {{../vn1|Waldsteinie faux-fraisier|}} <!-- -- --> | status = Native | status1 = Secure | c-rank = 7 | nwi1 = | habit0 = Perennial | habit1 = Herb-forb | light = | chro-no = | ny-rank = S5, G5 <!-- -- --> | nyfa = {{../nyfa|2686|5|Waldsteinia fragarioides}} | usda = {{../usda|WAFR|NN|Waldsteinia fragarioides}} | col-id = 6KFTJ | gbif = 5370015 | kew-id = | pow-id = 1168107-2 | wfo-id = | fsus = 3122 | vascan = 8990 | gobot = geum/fragarioides | inat = 894458-Waldsteinia-fragarioides | its-id = 505735 | ars-id = 464850 | fna-i1 = 242417492 | fna-i2 = Waldsteinia_fragarioides | tro-id = 50326515 | map = nymap.svg | image1 = Waldsteinia fragarioides 15 (5097400745).jpg }}<!-- ------------------------------------ --> {{../end table}} ===''Geum''=== {{../txt |img=Geum canadense 2533.jpg |cap=''Geum canadense'' |The New York Flora Atlas lists ten species of ''Geum'', including ''Geum fragarioides'', which is here treated above as ''Waldsteinia fragarioides''. }} {{../table|order=Rosales|Rosaceae|Rosoideae|Colurieae||Geum| }}<!-- ================================================================================ --> {{../genus|Geum|Avens|886|10|author=L. }}<!-- ================================================================================ --> {{../taxon | species = Geum canadense | au-abbr = Jacq. | au-full = Jacquin, Nicolaus(Nicolaas) Joseph von (1727-1817) | au-pub = Hortus Botanicus Vindobonensis (Hort. Bot. Vindob.) <!-- -- --> | syns = {{../sp-1|1773|'''Geum canadense''' |Jacq.}} {{../sp-1|1775|Geum laciniosum |Murray}} {{../sp-1|1788|Geum carolinianum |Walter}} {{../sp-1|1791|Geum album |J.F.Gmel.}} {{../sp-1|1794|Caryophyllata alba |Moench}} {{../sp-1|1831|Geum glutinosum |Pursh ex Lehm.}} {{../sp-1|1832|Sieversia caroliniana |G.Don}} {{../sp-1|1913|Geum camporum |Rydb}} {{../var1|1922|Geum canadense |Jacq. |camporum |(Rydb.) Fernald & Weath.}} {{../var1|1922|Geum canadense |Jacq. |grimesii |Fernald & Weath.}} {{../var1|1922|Geum canadense |Jacq. |texanum |Fernald & Weath.}} {{../var1|1937|Geum canadense |Jacq. |brevipes |Fernald}} <!-- -- --> | en-vns = White avens <br> Canada avens | fr-vns = Benoîte du Canada <br> Benoîte blanche <!-- -- --> | status = Native | status1 = Secure | c-rank = 5 | nwi1 = FAC | nwi2 = FACU | habit0 = Perennial | habit1 = Herb-forb | light = | chro-no = | ny-rank = S5, G5 <!-- -- --> | nyfa = {{../nyfa|2684|5|}} | usda = {{../usda|GECA7|NN|}} | col-id = 3FY96 | gbif = 5369800 | inat = 85325-Geum-canadense | pow-id = 30065568-2 | wfo-id = 0001012938 | fsus = 3120 | vascan = 8765 | gobot = geum/canadense | its-id = | ars-id = 316698 | fna-i1 = 242416592 | fna-i2 = Geum_canadense | tro-id = 27800887 | ipn-id = 30065568-2 | nse-id = Geum+canadense | bna-id = Geum%20canadense | map = nymap.svg | image1 = Geum canadense 2826.jpg }}<!-- ================================================================================ --> {{../taxon | species = Geum aleppicum | author = Jacq. <!-- -- --> | syns = {{../sp-1|1781|'''Geum aleppicum'''|Jacq.}} {{../sp-1|1789|Geum strictum |Aiton (nom. superfl.)}} {{../sp-1|1913|Geum decurrens |Rydb.}} {{../sp-1|1824|Geum ranunculoides |Ser.}} {{../sp-1|1829|Geum rugosum |Desf.}} {{../var1|1935|Geum aleppicum |Jacq. |strictum |(Aiton) Fernald}} {{../var1|1939|Geum strictum |Aiton |decurrens |(Rydb.) Kearney & Peebles}} {{../ssp1|1949|Geum aleppicum |Jacq. |strictum |(Aiton) R.T.Clausen}} <!-- -- --> | en1 = Yellow avens | en2 = Aleppo avens | en3 = Common avens | fr1 = Benoîte d’Alep <!-- -- --> | status = Native | status1 = Secure | c-rank = 3 | nwi1 = | habit0 = | habit1 = | light = | chro-no = <!-- -- --> | nyfa = {{../nyfa|6509|5|}} | usda = {{../usda|GEAL3|NN|}} | col-id = | gbif = | inat = | pow-id = 30094401-2 | wfo-id = | vascan = 8763 | gobot = geum/aleppicum | its-id = | ars-id = 17514 | fna-id = 200010864 | tro-id = 27800066 | ipn-id = | nse-id = | bna-id = | map = nymap.svg | image1 = Yellow Avens (Geum aleppicum) (5748647868).jpg }}<!-- ================================================================================ --> {{../taxon | species = Geum rivale | author = L. <!-- -- --> | syns = {{../sp-1|1753|'''Geum rivale''' |L.}} {{../sp-1|1771|Caryophyllata rivalis |(L.) Scop.}} {{../sp-1|1790|Anemone decaphilla |Krock.}} {{../sp-1|1790|Anemone dodecaphilla |Krock.}} {{../sp-1|1791|Anemone decapetala |J.F.Gmel.}} {{../sp-1|1840|Bernoullia hybrida |Raf.}} {{../sp-1|1840|Bernoullia nutans |(Raf.) Raf.}} {{../sp-1|1840|Bernoullia rivalis |(L.) Raf.}} <!-- -- --> | en1 = Purple avens | en2 = Water avens | en3 = Chocolate-root | fr1 = Benoîte des ruisseaux | fr2 = Benoîte pourpre <!-- -- --> | status = Native | status1 = Secure | c-rank = 8 | nwi1 = OBL | habit0 = | habit1 = | light = | chro-no = <!-- -- --> | nyfa = {{../nyfa|2689|5|}} | usda = {{../usda|GERI2|NN|}} | col-id = | gbif = | inat = | pow-id = 725355-1 | wfo-id = | vascan = 8772 | gobot = geum/rivale | its-id = | ars-id = | fna-id = 200010867 | tro-id = | ipn-id = | nse-id = | bna-id = | map = nymap.svg | image1 = Geum rivale 2015-06-01 OB 110.jpg }}<!-- ================================================================================ --> {{../taxon | species = Geum laciniatum | au-abbr = Murray | au-full = | au-pub = Novi Comment. Soc. Regiae Sci. Gott. 5: 30 (1775) <!-- -- --> | syns = {{../sp-1|1775|'''Geum laciniatum''' |Murray}} {{../var1|1935|Geum laciniatum |Murray |trichocarpum |Fernald}} <!-- -- --> | en-vns = Rough avens <br> Floodplain avens | fr-vns = Benoîte lacinicée <!-- -- --> | status = Native | status1 = Secure | c-rank = 3 | nwi1 = FACW | nwi2 = FAC | habit0 = Perennial | habit1 = Herb-forb | light = | chro-no = | ny-rank = S5, G5 <!-- ========= --> | nyfa = {{../nyfa|2683|5|}} | usda = {{../usda|GELA|NN|}} <!-- ========= --> | col-id = 3FYBG | gbif = 5369645 | inat = 163272-Geum-laciniatum | pow-id = 725280-1 | wfo-id = 0001012963 | vascan = 8767 | gobot = geum/laciniatum | its-id = | ars-id = | fna-i1 = 242416593 | fna-i2 = Geum_laciniatum | tro-id = | ipn-id = | nse-id = | bna-id = | map = nymap.svg | image1 = Geum laciniatum var. trichocarpum ROUGH AVENS (3328625944).jpg }}<!-- ================================================================================ --> {{../taxon | species = Geum vernum | au-abbr = (Raf.) Torr. & A.Gray | au-full = | au-pub = Fl. N. Amer. 1: 422 (1840) <!-- -- --> | syns = {{../sp-1|1821|Stylypus vernus |Raf.}} {{../sp-1|1821|Stypostylis vernus |Raf.}} {{../sp-1|1840|'''Geum vernum''' |(Raf.) Torr. & A.Gray}} <!-- -- --> | en1 = Spring avens <!-- -- --> | status = N. America native | status1 = NY nativity uncertain | c-rank = 5 | nwi1 = FACU | habit0 = Perennial | habit1 = Herb-forb | light = | chro-no = | ny-rank = SNR, G5 <!-- ========= --> | nyfa = {{../nyfa|2648 |16 counties |16 counties}} | inatc = {{../inat|130906 |11 counties |11 counties }} | gbifc = {{../gbif|5369957 |present in NY |present in New York State}} | usda = {{../usda|GEVE|NN|Endangered in NY}} <!-- ========= --> | col-id = | pow-id = 725402-1 | wfo-id = | vascan = | gobot = geum/vernum | its-id = | ars-id = | fna-i1 = | fna-i2 = Geum_vernum | tro-id = | nwg-id = | ipn-id = | lbj-id = | nse-id = | bna-id = | bbg-id = | cpc-id = | cab-id = | eol-id = | red-id = | mbg-id = | adf-id = | fed-id = | fws-id = | bug-id = | map = nymap.svg | image1 = Spring Avens (Geum vernum) - Flickr - Jay Sturner (1).jpg }}<!-- ================================================================================ --> {{../taxon | species = Geum triflorum | author = Pursh | var0 = triflorum <!-- -- --> | syns = {{../sp-1|1814|'''Geum triflorum''' |Pursh}} {{../sp-1|1823|Sieversia triflora |(Pursh) R.Br.}} {{../sp-1|1832|Geum pubescens |Hook.}} {{../sp-1|1906|Erythrocoma campanulata |(Greene}} {{../sp-1|1906|Erythrocoma canescens |(Greene}} {{../sp-1|1906|Erythrocoma flavula |(Greene}} {{../sp-1|1906|Erythrocoma triflora |(Pursh) Greene}} {{../var1|1936|Geum ciliatum |Pursh|triflorum|(Pursh) Jeps. (nom. illeg.)}} {{../sp-1|1958|Geum canescens |(Greene) Munz}} <!-- -- --> | en-vns = Prairie smoke <br> Old man's whiskers <!-- -- --> | status = Native | status1 = Threatened | c-rank = 10 | nwi1 = FACU | habit0 = Perennial | habit1 = Herb-forb | light = | chro-no = | ny-rank = S2, G5 <!-- -- --> | nyfa = {{../nyfa|2666|2|}} | usda = {{../usda|GETR|NN|}} | col-id = | gbif = | inat = | pow-id = 109871-2 | wfo-id = | vascan = | gobot = 0 | its-id = | ars-id = | fna-id = | tro-id = | ipn-id = | nse-id = | bna-id = | map = nymap.svg | image1 = The botanical cabinet (No 1609) (8613654108).jpg }}<!-- ================================================================================ --> {{../taxon | species = Geum virginianum | author = L. <!-- ========= --> | syns = {{../sp-1|1753|'''Geum virginianum''' |L.}} {{../sp-1|1785|Caryophyllata virginiana |(L.) Lam.}} {{../sp-1|1813|Geum hirsutum |Muhl. ex Link}} {{../sp-1|1822|Geum heterophyllum |Link (nom. nud.)}} {{../var1|1828|Geum virginianum |L. |lanceolatum |Raf. (nom. nud.)}} {{../var1|1828|Geum virginianum |L. |macrophyllum |Raf. (nom. nud.)}} {{../var1|1828|Geum virginianum |L. |ochroleucum |Raf. (nom. nud.)}} {{../var1|1828|Geum virginianum |L. |ramosum |Raf. (nom. nud.)}} {{../var1|1828|Geum virginianum |L. |uniflorum |Raf. (nom. nud.)}} {{../var1|1889|Geum album |J.F.Gmel. |flavum |Porter}} {{../sp-1|1896|Geum flavum |(Porter) E.P.Bicknell}} {{../var1|1923|Geum virginianum |L. |murrayanum |Fernald}} <!-- ========= --> | en-vns = Cream-colored avens <br> Cream avens <!-- ========= --> | status = Native | status1 = Threatened | c-rank = 9 | nynhp = [https://guides.nynhp.org/rough-avens/ S2] | nwi1 = FACU | nwi2 = FAC | habit0 = Perennial | habit1 = Herb-forb | light = | chro-no = | ny-rank = S2, G5 <!-- ========= --> | nyfa = {{../nyfa|6511 |23 counties |23 counties}} | inatc = {{../inat|131001 |Livingston, Wyoming |Livingston, Wyoming }} | gbifc = {{../gbif|5369702 |present in NY|present in New York State}} | usda = {{../usda|GEVI4 |NN|}} <!-- ========= --> | col-id = | pow-id = | wfo-id = | vascan = | gobot = geum/virginianum | its-id = 24665 | ars-id = | fna-id = | tro-id = | ipn-id = | nse-id = | bna-id = | map = nymap.svg | image1 = Geum virginianum iNat-146376349 (2x3).jpg }}<!-- ================================================================================ --> {{../taxon | species = Geum macrophyllum | au-abbr = Willd. | au-full = | au-pub = Enum. Pl. Hort. Berol. 2: 557 (1809) | var0 = macrophyllum <!-- -- --> | syns = {{../sp-1|1809|'''Geum macrophyllum'''|Willd.}} {{../sp-1|1910|Geum fauriei |H.Lév.}} {{../var1|1915|Geum japonicum |Thunb. |sachalinense |Koidz.}} {{../var1|1924|Geum japonicum |Thunb. |fauriei |(H.Lév.) Kudô}} {{../sp-1|1926|Geum sachalinense |(Koidz.) Makino}} {{../var1|1952|Geum macrophyllum |Willd. |sachalinense |(Koidz.) H.Hara}} {{../var1|1953|Geum aleppicum |Jacq. |sachalinense |(Koidz.) Ohwi}} {{../var1|1967|Geum perincisum |Rydb. |intermedium |B.Boivin}} {{../ssp1|1982|Geum macrophyllum |Willd. |fauriei |(H.Lév.) Vorosch.}} <!-- -- --> | en1 = Largeleaf avens | en2 = Large-leaved avens <!-- -- --> | status = Native | status1 = Endangered | c-rank = 8 | nynhp = [https://guides.nynhp.org/bigleaf-yellow-avens/ S1] | nwi1 = FACW | habit0 = Perennial | habit1 = Herb-forb | light = | chro-no = | ny-rank = S1, G5 <!-- ========= --> | nyfa = {{../nyfa|2663|10 counties|Chenango, Essex, Orange, Orleans, Otsego, Saratoga, Steuben, Ulster, Warren, Yates}} | inatc = {{../inat|77266|Delaware, Ulster |Delaware, Ulster Counties}} | gbifc = {{../gbif|5369784|present in NY|present in New York State}} | usda = {{../usda|GEMAM|NN|}} <!-- ========= --> | col-id = | gbif = | inat = | pow-id = | wfo-id = | vascan = | gobot = geum/macrophyllum | its-id = | ars-id = | fna-id = | tro-id = | ipn-id = | nse-id = | bna-id = | map = nymap.svg | image1 = Geum macrophyllum 202912270.jpg }}<!-- ================================================================================ --> {{../taxon | species = Geum urbanum | author = L. <!-- -- --> | syns = {{../sp-1|1753|'''Geum urbanum''' |L.}} {{../sp-1|1771|Caryophyllata urbana |(L.) Scop.}} {{../sp-1|1794|Caryophyllata officinalis |Moench}} {{../sp-1|1840|Bernoullia media |Raf.}} {{../sp-1|1893|Geranium pseudomolle |(Pant.) B.D.Jacks.}} {{../ssp1|1974|Geum rivale |L. |urbanum |(L.) Á.Löve & D.Löve}} <!-- -- --> | en-vns = Town avens <br> Herb Bennet <br> Bennet's root <br> Wood avens <br> Clove-root <br> Colewort <br> St. Benedict's herb | fr-vns = Benoîte commune <!-- -- --> | status = Introduced | status1 = Invasive | c-rank = | nwi1 = | habit0 = | habit1 = | light = | chro-no = | ny-rank = | ns-rank = <!-- ========= --> | nyfa = {{../nyfa|2725|7 counties|Cayuga (2006), Lewis (2026), Monroe (1989), Onondaga (1988), Orange (1990), St. Lawrence (1997), Yates (2021)}} | inatc = {{../inat|55891-Geum-urbanum|22 counties|}} | gbifc = {{../gbif|||}} | usda = {{../usda|GEUR|XX|}} <!-- ========= --> | col-id = | gbif = | inat = | pow-id = | wfo-id = | vascan = 8776 | gobot = geum/urbanum | its-id = 24663 | ars-id = 17518 | fna-id = | tro-id = | ipn-id = | nse-id = | bna-id = Geum%20urbanum | map = Geum urbanum nymap.svg | image1 = 20130617Geum urbanum.jpg }}<!-- ================================================================================ --> {{../end table}} ===''Geum'' hybrids=== {{../txt |img=Geum xcatlingii comparison.jpg |cap=''Geum × catlingii'' (center),<br>''Geum canadense'' (top right),<br>''Geum urbanum'' (bottom) | }} {{../table|order=Rosales|Rosaceae|Rosoideae|Colurieae||Geum| }}<!-- ================================================================================ --> {{../genus|Geum|Avens|886|10|author=L. }}<!-- ================================================================================ --> {{../taxon | species = Geum × aurantiacum | au-abbr = Fr. ex Scheutz | au-full = | au-pub = Prodr. Monogr. Geor.: 30 (1870) <!-- ========= --> | hp1 = Geum aleppicum | hp2 = Geum rivale <!-- ========= --> | syns = 1870. '' '''Geum × aurantiacum''' ''Fr. ex Scheutz in Prodr. Monogr. Geor.:30 <!-- ========= --> | en-vns = Orange avens <br> Hybrid yellow & purple avens <br> Hybrid yellow & water avens <!-- -- --> | status = Native | status1 = Unranked | c-rank = | nwi1 = | habit0 = Perennial | habit1 = Herb-forb | light = | chro-no = | ny-rank = SNA, GNA <!-- ========= --> | nyfa = {{../nyfa|6510|Onondaga (1942)|Onondaga (1942, M.E. Faust & N.M. Sadler)}} | inatc = {{../inat|170751|no NY observations|0}} | gbifc = {{../gbif|5370010|not present in NY|not present in New York State}} | usda = {{../usda|GEAU2|NN|}} <!-- ========= --> | col-id = 8V8DS <!-- Geum × aurantiacum Fr. ex Scheutz --> | gbif = <!-- Geum ×aurantiacum Fr. ex Scheutz --> | pow-id = 725183-1 | wfo-id = | vascan = | gobot = geum/aleppicum | its-id = 24648 | ars-id = | fna-id = | tro-id = | ipn-id = | nse-id = | bna-id = | map = nymap.svg | image1 = Ny hybrid.svg }}<!-- ================================================================================ --> {{../taxon | species = Geum × cortlandicum | au-abbr = M.Hough | au-full = | au-pub = Phytoneuron 2018-59: 1 (2018) <!-- -- --> | hp1 = Geum canadense | hp2 = Geum laciniatum <!-- -- --> | syns = 2018. '' '''Geum × cortlandicum''' ''M.Hough in Phytoneuron 2018-59:1 <!-- -- --> | en-vns = Cortland avens <br> Hybrid white & rough avens <!-- -- --> | status = Native | status1 = Unranked | status2 = | c-rank = | nwi1 = | habit0 = | habit1 = | light = | chro-no = | ny-rank = SNA, GNA <!-- ========= --> | nyfa = {{../nyfa|7655 |Cortland, Seneca |Cortland (2018), Seneca (2018)}} | inatc = {{../inat|954291 |Cortland, Seneca |Cortland (2018, 2020), Seneca (2018)}} | gbifc = {{../gbif|10716832 |Cortland, Seneca |Cortland (2018, 2020), Seneca (2018)}} | usda = {{../usda|||}} <!-- ========= --> | col-id = 6KFVW | gbif = | inat = | pow-id = 77203992-1 | wfo-id = | fsus = | vascan = | gobot = | its-id = | ars-id = | fna-id = | fna-i1 = | fna-i2 = | tro-id = | nwg-id = | ipn-id = | lbj-id = | nse-id = | bna-id = | bbg-id = | cpc-id = | cab-id = | eol-id = | red-id = | mbg-id = | adf-id = | fed-id = | fws-id = | bug-id = | map = nymap.svg | image1 = Ny hybrid.svg }}<!-- ================================================================================ --> {{../taxon | species = Geum × hainesianum | au-abbr = M.Hough, A.V.Gilman & Chapm.-Lam | au-full = | au-pub = 2021. Geum x hainesianum (Rosaceae), a new hybrid avens from eastern North America. Rhodora 123(993): 67-84. <!-- ========= --> | hp1 = Geum aleppicum | hp2 = Geum canadense <!-- ========= --> | syns = 2022. '' '''Geum × hainesianum''' ''M.Hough, A.V.Gilman & Chapm.-Lam in Rhodora 123: 13 <!-- ========= --> | en-vns = Haines’s avens <br> Hybrid yellow & white avens <!-- ========= --> | status = Native | status1 = Unranked | c-rank = | nwi1 = | habit0 = | habit1 = | light = | chro-no = | ny-rank = SNA, GNA <!-- ========= --> | nyfa = {{../nyfa|7613 |Tioga (1942)|Tioga (1942, R.T. & E.R.Clausen)}} | inatc = {{../inat|1426000 |Cortland (cultivated)|Cortland (2021, cultivated by M. Hough)}} | gbifc = {{../gbif|12231213|not present in NY|not present in New York State}} | usda = {{../usda|||}} <!-- ========= --> | col-id = B2Y5W | pow-id = 77309022-1 | wfo-id = | fsus = | vascan = | gobot = | its-id = | ars-id = | fna-id = | fna-i1 = | fna-i2 = | tro-id = | nwg-id = | ipn-id = | lbj-id = | nse-id = | bna-id = | bbg-id = | cpc-id = | cab-id = | eol-id = | red-id = | mbg-id = | adf-id = | fed-id = | fws-id = | bug-id = | map = nymap.svg | image1 = Ny hybrid.svg }}<!-- ================================================================================ --> {{../taxon | species = Geum × catlingii | au-abbr = J.-P.Bernard & R.Gauthier | au-full = | au-pub = Naturaliste Canad. 113: 321 (1986) | hp1 = Geum canadense | hp2 = Geum urbanum <!-- -- --> | syns = 1986. '' '''Geum × catlingii''' ''J.-P.Bernard & R.Gauthier in Naturaliste Canad. 113:321 <!-- ========= --> | en-vns = Catling's avens <br> Hybrid white & town avens <!-- ========= --> | fr-vns = <!-- ========= --> | status = Introduced | status1 = Naturalized | c-rank = | nwi1 = | habit0 = Perennial | habit1 = Herb-forb | light = | chro-no = | ny-rank = SNA, GNA <!-- ========= --> | nyfa = {{../nyfa|7614 |Cortland (2016) |Cortland (2016, M. Hough)}} | inatc = {{../inat|170752 |9 NY counties |Cayuga, Chautauqua, Chemung, Cortland, Erie, Monroe, Onondaga, Schuyler, Tompkins}} | gbifc = {{../gbif|5369947 |present in NY |present in New York State}} | usda = {{../usda|GECA17 |N?|}} <!-- ========= --> | col-id = BS9BV | pow-id = 931308-1 | wfo-id = | vascan = | gobot = | its-id = | ars-id = | fna-id = | tro-id = | ipn-id = | lbj-id = | nse-id = | bna-id = | cpc-id = | cab-id = | eol-id = | kew-id = | map = nymap.svg | image1 = Geum xcatlingii fl.jpg }}<!-- ================================================================================ --> {{../taxon | species = Geum × intermedium | au-abbr = Ehrh. | au-full = | au-pub = Beitr. Naturk. Verw. Wiss. 6: 143 (1791) <!-- ========= --> | hp1 = Geum rivale | hp2 = Geum urbanum <!-- ========= --> | syns = <poem> 1791. '' '''Geum × intermedium''' ''Ehrh. in Beitr. Naturk. Verw. Wiss. 6:143 1800. '' Geum urbanum intermedium ''(Ehrh.) Willd. in Sp. Pl., ed. 4. 2: 1114 1812. '' Geum urbanum ''var. ''intermedium ''(Ehrh.) Mérat in Nouv. Fl. Env. Paris:198 1825. '' Geum rivale ''var. ''intermedium ''(Ehrh.) Ser. in A.P.de Candolle, Prodr. 2:551 1834. '' Geum rivale ''ssp. ''intermedium ''(Ehrh.) Schübl. & G. Martens 1836. '' Geum × rivale-urbanum ''G.Mey. in Chloris Han.:39 (not validly publ.) 1841. '' Geum × willdenowii ''J.N.Buek bis in Fl. March.:595 1860. '' Geum × intermedium ''var. ''willdenowii ''(J.N.Buek bis) Asch. in Fl. Brandenburg 1:179 </poem> <!-- ========= --> | en-vns = Intermediate avens <br> Hybrid purple & town avens <!-- ========= --> | status = Introduced | status1 = Naturalized | status2 = | imap = | ipa-us = | griisus = | ny-tier = | c-rank = | nwi1 = | habit0 = Perennial | habit1 = Herb-forb | light = | chro-no = | ny-rank = SNA, GNA | ns-rank = <!-- ========= --> | nyfa = {{../nyfa|7656 |Cortland (2018) |Cortland (2018, M. Hough)}} | inatc = {{../inat|628500 |Cayuga, Cortland |Cayuga (2018, 2021), Cortland (2018-2023), Madison (2023, not RG yet)}} | gbifc = {{../gbif|5369692 |Cayuga, Cortland |Cayuga (2018, 2021), Cortland (2018-2023)}} | usda = {{../usda|||}} <!-- ========= --> | col-id = 7VQST | pow-id = 725266-1 | wfo-id = | fsus = | vascan = | gobot = | its-id = | ars-id = | fna-id = | fna-i1 = | fna-i2 = | tro-id = | nwg-id = | ipn-id = | lbj-id = | nse-id = | bna-id = | bbg-id = | cpc-id = | cab-id = | eol-id = | red-id = | mbg-id = | adf-id = | fed-id = | fws-id = | bug-id = | map = nymap.svg | image1 = Geum × intermedium 002.jpg }}<!-- ================================================================================ --> {{../taxon | species = Geum × macneillii | au-abbr = J.-P.Bernard & R.Gauthier | au-full = | au-pub = Naturaliste Canad. 113: 321 (1986) <!-- -- --> | hp1 = Geum laciniatum | hp2 = Geum urbanum <!-- -- --> | syns = 1986. 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This source, https://blogs.adobe.com/CCJKType/category/unicode, as well as on the main Unicode page, http://www.unicode.org/versions/Unicode12.0.0/, doesn't say anything about it. [[User:Airgum|Airgum]] ([[User talk:Airgum|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Airgum|contribs]]) 17:48, 28 July 2018 (UTC) == Yi Ideographs in Unicode == A new document about Yi ideographs has appeared online: [https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2022/22183-yi-preliminary.pdf "Introduction to encode Yi Ideographs in UCS"] Cheers, readers. [[User:Apisite|Apisite]] ([[User talk:Apisite|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Apisite|contribs]]) 21:27, 3 August 2022 (UTC) == Why did you Semi-Protect this Page? == Why did you Semi-Protect this page? Because You now have to wait Jan 30th, 2024. :( [[User:AshtonTameirao12|AshtonTameirao12]] ([[User talk:AshtonTameirao12|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/AshtonTameirao12|contribs]]) 23:22, 30 July 2023 (UTC) : If you have something useful to contribute, please submit an edit request on this talk page. Otherwise, as shown by the page history, there was a huge flood of nonsense edits by non-autoconfirmed users. [[User:1234qwer1234qwer4|𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰]] ([[User talk:1234qwer1234qwer4|𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠]]) 23:23, 30 July 2023 (UTC) ::Let them have another chance of editing! [[User:Ashtontameirao2500|Ashtontameirao2500]] ([[User talk:Ashtontameirao2500|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ashtontameirao2500|contribs]]) 23:44, 5 September 2023 (UTC) == There must be a Unicode 15.2 Coming in March 4th, 2024. == I saw a new block shown on Unicode 15.2 new block's name "Japanese Photos and Characters". [[User:AshtonTameirao12|AshtonTameirao12]] ([[User talk:AshtonTameirao12|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/AshtonTameirao12|contribs]]) 23:56, 30 July 2023 (UTC) == Can I be a Auto-Confirmed User? == I really want to be an Auto-Confirmed user to create a semi-protected page like this one. [[User:AshtonTameirao12|AshtonTameirao12]] ([[User talk:AshtonTameirao12|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/AshtonTameirao12|contribs]]) 00:01, 31 July 2023 (UTC) == All Logged out and Logged in users can now edit custom blocks! == Now that the page is editable, Logged Out and Logged In users can edit this page and make new blocks! This will be fun to everyone! Stay tuned till the first one edits! [[User:MatthewTheUnicodeGuy|MatthewTheUnicodeGuy]] ([[User talk:MatthewTheUnicodeGuy|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MatthewTheUnicodeGuy|contribs]]) 21:14, 30 January 2024 (UTC) == I think the badness has passed == Requesting unprotection for IP users to edit accurate information. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-64091-1|&#126;2025-64091-1]] ([[User talk:&#126;2025-64091-1|talk]]) 23:17, 17 September 2025 (UTC) [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-31755-81|&#126;2025-31755-81]] ([[User talk:&#126;2025-31755-81|talk]]) 22:37, 24 March 2026 (UTC) == Semi-protected edit request on 24 November 2025 == {{edit semi-protected|Unicode/Versions|answered=yes}} [[User:Renault33|Renault33]] ([[User talk:Renault33|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Renault33|contribs]]) 13:07, 24 November 2025 (UTC) == Semi-protected edit request on 4 January 2026 == {{edit semi-protected|Unicode/Versions|answered=no}} [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-72640|&#126;2026-72640]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-72640|talk]]) 15:52, 4 January 2026 (UTC) == Unicode 19.0 additions and fixes == I'm thinking that at the Unicode Pipeline in the Provisionally assigned The 2025 characters up to April could be added. And the squinting face and apple core becuase both of those were replaced by cracking smile and pickle. Miscellaneous Symbols and arrows is located at 1DB00-1DBFF.[[User:Qawerasersa|Qawerasersa]] ([[User talk:Qawerasersa|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Qawerasersa|contribs]]) 14:03, 26 January 2026 (UTC) == Emoji 18.0 == It's not squinting face it's cracking face == Semi-protected edit request on 15 September 2026 == {{edit semi-protected|Unicode/Versions|answered=no}} [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-37044-43|&#126;2026-37044-43]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-37044-43|talk]]) 05:01, 27 June 2026 (UTC) 7u3otz2avc5b5ej5hk1p81wjnu2i47c 4671676 4671672 2026-09-22T00:21:28Z Alexlatham96 377450 /* Why was R with grave not added in Unicode 1.1? */ 4671676 wikitext text/x-wiki ==Why was R with grave not added in Unicode 1.1?== All other letters for Serbo-Croatian dialectology were added. {{unsigned|Alexlatham96|21:27, 7 May 2018 (UTC)}} Update: Likely proposed in N1325 (along with others) and likely endorsed by TITUS (which has it in the PUA), but unfortunately rejected.[[User:Alexlatham96|Alexlatham96]] ([[User talk:Alexlatham96|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Alexlatham96|contribs]]) 00:11, 22 September 2026 (UTC) == I don't thnk CJK Extension G will be included in unicode 12.0 == Can someone source where the 5001 characters of CJK for unicode 12.0 came from? This source, https://blogs.adobe.com/CCJKType/category/unicode, as well as on the main Unicode page, http://www.unicode.org/versions/Unicode12.0.0/, doesn't say anything about it. [[User:Airgum|Airgum]] ([[User talk:Airgum|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Airgum|contribs]]) 17:48, 28 July 2018 (UTC) == Yi Ideographs in Unicode == A new document about Yi ideographs has appeared online: [https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2022/22183-yi-preliminary.pdf "Introduction to encode Yi Ideographs in UCS"] Cheers, readers. [[User:Apisite|Apisite]] ([[User talk:Apisite|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Apisite|contribs]]) 21:27, 3 August 2022 (UTC) == Why did you Semi-Protect this Page? == Why did you Semi-Protect this page? Because You now have to wait Jan 30th, 2024. :( [[User:AshtonTameirao12|AshtonTameirao12]] ([[User talk:AshtonTameirao12|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/AshtonTameirao12|contribs]]) 23:22, 30 July 2023 (UTC) : If you have something useful to contribute, please submit an edit request on this talk page. Otherwise, as shown by the page history, there was a huge flood of nonsense edits by non-autoconfirmed users. [[User:1234qwer1234qwer4|𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰]] ([[User talk:1234qwer1234qwer4|𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠]]) 23:23, 30 July 2023 (UTC) ::Let them have another chance of editing! [[User:Ashtontameirao2500|Ashtontameirao2500]] ([[User talk:Ashtontameirao2500|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ashtontameirao2500|contribs]]) 23:44, 5 September 2023 (UTC) == There must be a Unicode 15.2 Coming in March 4th, 2024. == I saw a new block shown on Unicode 15.2 new block's name "Japanese Photos and Characters". [[User:AshtonTameirao12|AshtonTameirao12]] ([[User talk:AshtonTameirao12|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/AshtonTameirao12|contribs]]) 23:56, 30 July 2023 (UTC) == Can I be a Auto-Confirmed User? == I really want to be an Auto-Confirmed user to create a semi-protected page like this one. [[User:AshtonTameirao12|AshtonTameirao12]] ([[User talk:AshtonTameirao12|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/AshtonTameirao12|contribs]]) 00:01, 31 July 2023 (UTC) == All Logged out and Logged in users can now edit custom blocks! == Now that the page is editable, Logged Out and Logged In users can edit this page and make new blocks! This will be fun to everyone! Stay tuned till the first one edits! [[User:MatthewTheUnicodeGuy|MatthewTheUnicodeGuy]] ([[User talk:MatthewTheUnicodeGuy|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MatthewTheUnicodeGuy|contribs]]) 21:14, 30 January 2024 (UTC) == I think the badness has passed == Requesting unprotection for IP users to edit accurate information. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-64091-1|&#126;2025-64091-1]] ([[User talk:&#126;2025-64091-1|talk]]) 23:17, 17 September 2025 (UTC) [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-31755-81|&#126;2025-31755-81]] ([[User talk:&#126;2025-31755-81|talk]]) 22:37, 24 March 2026 (UTC) == Semi-protected edit request on 24 November 2025 == {{edit semi-protected|Unicode/Versions|answered=yes}} [[User:Renault33|Renault33]] ([[User talk:Renault33|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Renault33|contribs]]) 13:07, 24 November 2025 (UTC) == Semi-protected edit request on 4 January 2026 == {{edit semi-protected|Unicode/Versions|answered=no}} [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-72640|&#126;2026-72640]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-72640|talk]]) 15:52, 4 January 2026 (UTC) == Unicode 19.0 additions and fixes == I'm thinking that at the Unicode Pipeline in the Provisionally assigned The 2025 characters up to April could be added. And the squinting face and apple core becuase both of those were replaced by cracking smile and pickle. Miscellaneous Symbols and arrows is located at 1DB00-1DBFF.[[User:Qawerasersa|Qawerasersa]] ([[User talk:Qawerasersa|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Qawerasersa|contribs]]) 14:03, 26 January 2026 (UTC) == Emoji 18.0 == It's not squinting face it's cracking face == Semi-protected edit request on 15 September 2026 == {{edit semi-protected|Unicode/Versions|answered=no}} [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-37044-43|&#126;2026-37044-43]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-37044-43|talk]]) 05:01, 27 June 2026 (UTC) jl5i5sqsqyloitd0gb07e5gnwm03jbv 4671684 4671676 2026-09-22T00:39:36Z Alexlatham96 377450 R-grave wasn't the only Croatian missing character after all! 4671684 wikitext text/x-wiki ==Why was R with grave not added in Unicode 1.1?== All other letters for Serbo-Croatian dialectology were added. {{unsigned|Alexlatham96|21:27, 7 May 2018 (UTC)}} Update: Proposed in N1325 (along with R-circumflex and R-macron) and endorsed by TITUS (which has them in the PUA), but rejected. N1353 debunked the myth that these were missed (Hugh Ross considered them). [[User:Alexlatham96|Alexlatham96]] ([[User talk:Alexlatham96|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Alexlatham96|contribs]]) 00:11, 22 September 2026 (UTC) == I don't thnk CJK Extension G will be included in unicode 12.0 == Can someone source where the 5001 characters of CJK for unicode 12.0 came from? This source, https://blogs.adobe.com/CCJKType/category/unicode, as well as on the main Unicode page, http://www.unicode.org/versions/Unicode12.0.0/, doesn't say anything about it. [[User:Airgum|Airgum]] ([[User talk:Airgum|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Airgum|contribs]]) 17:48, 28 July 2018 (UTC) == Yi Ideographs in Unicode == A new document about Yi ideographs has appeared online: [https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2022/22183-yi-preliminary.pdf "Introduction to encode Yi Ideographs in UCS"] Cheers, readers. [[User:Apisite|Apisite]] ([[User talk:Apisite|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Apisite|contribs]]) 21:27, 3 August 2022 (UTC) == Why did you Semi-Protect this Page? == Why did you Semi-Protect this page? Because You now have to wait Jan 30th, 2024. :( [[User:AshtonTameirao12|AshtonTameirao12]] ([[User talk:AshtonTameirao12|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/AshtonTameirao12|contribs]]) 23:22, 30 July 2023 (UTC) : If you have something useful to contribute, please submit an edit request on this talk page. Otherwise, as shown by the page history, there was a huge flood of nonsense edits by non-autoconfirmed users. [[User:1234qwer1234qwer4|𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰]] ([[User talk:1234qwer1234qwer4|𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠]]) 23:23, 30 July 2023 (UTC) ::Let them have another chance of editing! [[User:Ashtontameirao2500|Ashtontameirao2500]] ([[User talk:Ashtontameirao2500|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ashtontameirao2500|contribs]]) 23:44, 5 September 2023 (UTC) == There must be a Unicode 15.2 Coming in March 4th, 2024. == I saw a new block shown on Unicode 15.2 new block's name "Japanese Photos and Characters". [[User:AshtonTameirao12|AshtonTameirao12]] ([[User talk:AshtonTameirao12|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/AshtonTameirao12|contribs]]) 23:56, 30 July 2023 (UTC) == Can I be a Auto-Confirmed User? == I really want to be an Auto-Confirmed user to create a semi-protected page like this one. [[User:AshtonTameirao12|AshtonTameirao12]] ([[User talk:AshtonTameirao12|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/AshtonTameirao12|contribs]]) 00:01, 31 July 2023 (UTC) == All Logged out and Logged in users can now edit custom blocks! == Now that the page is editable, Logged Out and Logged In users can edit this page and make new blocks! This will be fun to everyone! Stay tuned till the first one edits! [[User:MatthewTheUnicodeGuy|MatthewTheUnicodeGuy]] ([[User talk:MatthewTheUnicodeGuy|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MatthewTheUnicodeGuy|contribs]]) 21:14, 30 January 2024 (UTC) == I think the badness has passed == Requesting unprotection for IP users to edit accurate information. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-64091-1|&#126;2025-64091-1]] ([[User talk:&#126;2025-64091-1|talk]]) 23:17, 17 September 2025 (UTC) [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-31755-81|&#126;2025-31755-81]] ([[User talk:&#126;2025-31755-81|talk]]) 22:37, 24 March 2026 (UTC) == Semi-protected edit request on 24 November 2025 == {{edit semi-protected|Unicode/Versions|answered=yes}} [[User:Renault33|Renault33]] ([[User talk:Renault33|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Renault33|contribs]]) 13:07, 24 November 2025 (UTC) == Semi-protected edit request on 4 January 2026 == {{edit semi-protected|Unicode/Versions|answered=no}} [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-72640|&#126;2026-72640]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-72640|talk]]) 15:52, 4 January 2026 (UTC) == Unicode 19.0 additions and fixes == I'm thinking that at the Unicode Pipeline in the Provisionally assigned The 2025 characters up to April could be added. And the squinting face and apple core becuase both of those were replaced by cracking smile and pickle. Miscellaneous Symbols and arrows is located at 1DB00-1DBFF.[[User:Qawerasersa|Qawerasersa]] ([[User talk:Qawerasersa|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Qawerasersa|contribs]]) 14:03, 26 January 2026 (UTC) == Emoji 18.0 == It's not squinting face it's cracking face == Semi-protected edit request on 15 September 2026 == {{edit semi-protected|Unicode/Versions|answered=no}} [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-37044-43|&#126;2026-37044-43]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-37044-43|talk]]) 05:01, 27 June 2026 (UTC) fwh9bypc62ork7n7eme2146k4jpd7v1 4671685 4671684 2026-09-22T00:48:11Z Alexlatham96 377450 4671685 wikitext text/x-wiki ==Why was R with grave not added in Unicode 1.1?== All other letters for Serbo-Croatian dialectology were added. {{unsigned|Alexlatham96|21:27, 7 May 2018 (UTC)}} Update: Proposed in N1325 (along with R-circumflex and R-macron) and endorsed by TITUS (which has them in the PUA), but rejected. N1353 debunked the myth that these were missed (WG2 considered them). [[User:Alexlatham96|Alexlatham96]] ([[User talk:Alexlatham96|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Alexlatham96|contribs]]) 00:11, 22 September 2026 (UTC) == I don't thnk CJK Extension G will be included in unicode 12.0 == Can someone source where the 5001 characters of CJK for unicode 12.0 came from? This source, https://blogs.adobe.com/CCJKType/category/unicode, as well as on the main Unicode page, http://www.unicode.org/versions/Unicode12.0.0/, doesn't say anything about it. [[User:Airgum|Airgum]] ([[User talk:Airgum|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Airgum|contribs]]) 17:48, 28 July 2018 (UTC) == Yi Ideographs in Unicode == A new document about Yi ideographs has appeared online: [https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2022/22183-yi-preliminary.pdf "Introduction to encode Yi Ideographs in UCS"] Cheers, readers. [[User:Apisite|Apisite]] ([[User talk:Apisite|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Apisite|contribs]]) 21:27, 3 August 2022 (UTC) == Why did you Semi-Protect this Page? == Why did you Semi-Protect this page? Because You now have to wait Jan 30th, 2024. :( [[User:AshtonTameirao12|AshtonTameirao12]] ([[User talk:AshtonTameirao12|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/AshtonTameirao12|contribs]]) 23:22, 30 July 2023 (UTC) : If you have something useful to contribute, please submit an edit request on this talk page. Otherwise, as shown by the page history, there was a huge flood of nonsense edits by non-autoconfirmed users. [[User:1234qwer1234qwer4|𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰]] ([[User talk:1234qwer1234qwer4|𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠]]) 23:23, 30 July 2023 (UTC) ::Let them have another chance of editing! [[User:Ashtontameirao2500|Ashtontameirao2500]] ([[User talk:Ashtontameirao2500|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ashtontameirao2500|contribs]]) 23:44, 5 September 2023 (UTC) == There must be a Unicode 15.2 Coming in March 4th, 2024. == I saw a new block shown on Unicode 15.2 new block's name "Japanese Photos and Characters". [[User:AshtonTameirao12|AshtonTameirao12]] ([[User talk:AshtonTameirao12|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/AshtonTameirao12|contribs]]) 23:56, 30 July 2023 (UTC) == Can I be a Auto-Confirmed User? == I really want to be an Auto-Confirmed user to create a semi-protected page like this one. [[User:AshtonTameirao12|AshtonTameirao12]] ([[User talk:AshtonTameirao12|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/AshtonTameirao12|contribs]]) 00:01, 31 July 2023 (UTC) == All Logged out and Logged in users can now edit custom blocks! == Now that the page is editable, Logged Out and Logged In users can edit this page and make new blocks! This will be fun to everyone! Stay tuned till the first one edits! [[User:MatthewTheUnicodeGuy|MatthewTheUnicodeGuy]] ([[User talk:MatthewTheUnicodeGuy|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MatthewTheUnicodeGuy|contribs]]) 21:14, 30 January 2024 (UTC) == I think the badness has passed == Requesting unprotection for IP users to edit accurate information. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-64091-1|&#126;2025-64091-1]] ([[User talk:&#126;2025-64091-1|talk]]) 23:17, 17 September 2025 (UTC) [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-31755-81|&#126;2025-31755-81]] ([[User talk:&#126;2025-31755-81|talk]]) 22:37, 24 March 2026 (UTC) == Semi-protected edit request on 24 November 2025 == {{edit semi-protected|Unicode/Versions|answered=yes}} [[User:Renault33|Renault33]] ([[User talk:Renault33|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Renault33|contribs]]) 13:07, 24 November 2025 (UTC) == Semi-protected edit request on 4 January 2026 == {{edit semi-protected|Unicode/Versions|answered=no}} [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-72640|&#126;2026-72640]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-72640|talk]]) 15:52, 4 January 2026 (UTC) == Unicode 19.0 additions and fixes == I'm thinking that at the Unicode Pipeline in the Provisionally assigned The 2025 characters up to April could be added. And the squinting face and apple core becuase both of those were replaced by cracking smile and pickle. Miscellaneous Symbols and arrows is located at 1DB00-1DBFF.[[User:Qawerasersa|Qawerasersa]] ([[User talk:Qawerasersa|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Qawerasersa|contribs]]) 14:03, 26 January 2026 (UTC) == Emoji 18.0 == It's not squinting face it's cracking face == Semi-protected edit request on 15 September 2026 == {{edit semi-protected|Unicode/Versions|answered=no}} [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-37044-43|&#126;2026-37044-43]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-37044-43|talk]]) 05:01, 27 June 2026 (UTC) 3dmggytq2l6l6kwnfaey81are60ip08 4671700 4671685 2026-09-22T06:23:23Z Alexlatham96 377450 /* Why was R with grave not added in Unicode 1.1? */ Circumflex is not used in Serbo-Croatian. 4671700 wikitext text/x-wiki ==Why was R with grave not added in Unicode 1.1?== All other letters for Serbo-Croatian dialectology were added. {{unsigned|Alexlatham96|21:27, 7 May 2018 (UTC)}} Update: Proposed in N1325 (along with R-tilde and R-macron) and endorsed by TITUS (which has them in the PUA), but rejected. N1353 debunked the myth that these were missed (WG2 considered them). [[User:Alexlatham96|Alexlatham96]] ([[User talk:Alexlatham96|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Alexlatham96|contribs]]) 00:11, 22 September 2026 (UTC) == I don't thnk CJK Extension G will be included in unicode 12.0 == Can someone source where the 5001 characters of CJK for unicode 12.0 came from? This source, https://blogs.adobe.com/CCJKType/category/unicode, as well as on the main Unicode page, http://www.unicode.org/versions/Unicode12.0.0/, doesn't say anything about it. [[User:Airgum|Airgum]] ([[User talk:Airgum|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Airgum|contribs]]) 17:48, 28 July 2018 (UTC) == Yi Ideographs in Unicode == A new document about Yi ideographs has appeared online: [https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2022/22183-yi-preliminary.pdf "Introduction to encode Yi Ideographs in UCS"] Cheers, readers. [[User:Apisite|Apisite]] ([[User talk:Apisite|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Apisite|contribs]]) 21:27, 3 August 2022 (UTC) == Why did you Semi-Protect this Page? == Why did you Semi-Protect this page? Because You now have to wait Jan 30th, 2024. :( [[User:AshtonTameirao12|AshtonTameirao12]] ([[User talk:AshtonTameirao12|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/AshtonTameirao12|contribs]]) 23:22, 30 July 2023 (UTC) : If you have something useful to contribute, please submit an edit request on this talk page. Otherwise, as shown by the page history, there was a huge flood of nonsense edits by non-autoconfirmed users. [[User:1234qwer1234qwer4|𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰]] ([[User talk:1234qwer1234qwer4|𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠]]) 23:23, 30 July 2023 (UTC) ::Let them have another chance of editing! [[User:Ashtontameirao2500|Ashtontameirao2500]] ([[User talk:Ashtontameirao2500|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ashtontameirao2500|contribs]]) 23:44, 5 September 2023 (UTC) == There must be a Unicode 15.2 Coming in March 4th, 2024. == I saw a new block shown on Unicode 15.2 new block's name "Japanese Photos and Characters". [[User:AshtonTameirao12|AshtonTameirao12]] ([[User talk:AshtonTameirao12|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/AshtonTameirao12|contribs]]) 23:56, 30 July 2023 (UTC) == Can I be a Auto-Confirmed User? == I really want to be an Auto-Confirmed user to create a semi-protected page like this one. [[User:AshtonTameirao12|AshtonTameirao12]] ([[User talk:AshtonTameirao12|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/AshtonTameirao12|contribs]]) 00:01, 31 July 2023 (UTC) == All Logged out and Logged in users can now edit custom blocks! == Now that the page is editable, Logged Out and Logged In users can edit this page and make new blocks! This will be fun to everyone! Stay tuned till the first one edits! [[User:MatthewTheUnicodeGuy|MatthewTheUnicodeGuy]] ([[User talk:MatthewTheUnicodeGuy|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MatthewTheUnicodeGuy|contribs]]) 21:14, 30 January 2024 (UTC) == I think the badness has passed == Requesting unprotection for IP users to edit accurate information. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-64091-1|&#126;2025-64091-1]] ([[User talk:&#126;2025-64091-1|talk]]) 23:17, 17 September 2025 (UTC) [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-31755-81|&#126;2025-31755-81]] ([[User talk:&#126;2025-31755-81|talk]]) 22:37, 24 March 2026 (UTC) == Semi-protected edit request on 24 November 2025 == {{edit semi-protected|Unicode/Versions|answered=yes}} [[User:Renault33|Renault33]] ([[User talk:Renault33|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Renault33|contribs]]) 13:07, 24 November 2025 (UTC) == Semi-protected edit request on 4 January 2026 == {{edit semi-protected|Unicode/Versions|answered=no}} [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-72640|&#126;2026-72640]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-72640|talk]]) 15:52, 4 January 2026 (UTC) == Unicode 19.0 additions and fixes == I'm thinking that at the Unicode Pipeline in the Provisionally assigned The 2025 characters up to April could be added. And the squinting face and apple core becuase both of those were replaced by cracking smile and pickle. Miscellaneous Symbols and arrows is located at 1DB00-1DBFF.[[User:Qawerasersa|Qawerasersa]] ([[User talk:Qawerasersa|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Qawerasersa|contribs]]) 14:03, 26 January 2026 (UTC) == Emoji 18.0 == It's not squinting face it's cracking face == Semi-protected edit request on 15 September 2026 == {{edit semi-protected|Unicode/Versions|answered=no}} [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-37044-43|&#126;2026-37044-43]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-37044-43|talk]]) 05:01, 27 June 2026 (UTC) biycmtd09yu59ji89y96n9smjgk5on5 4671701 4671700 2026-09-22T06:25:12Z Alexlatham96 377450 4671701 wikitext text/x-wiki ==Why was R with grave not added in Unicode 1.1?== All other letters for Serbo-Croatian dialectology were added. {{unsigned|Alexlatham96|21:27, 7 May 2018 (UTC)}} Update: Proposed in N1325 (along with R-tilde and R-macron) and endorsed by TITUS (which has them in the PUA), but rejected. N1353 debunked the myth that these were missed (WG2 considered them). [[User:Alexlatham96|Alexlatham96]] ([[User talk:Alexlatham96|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Alexlatham96|contribs]]) 00:11, 22 September 2026 (UTC) == I don't thnk CJK Extension G will be included in unicode 12.0 == Can someone source where the 5001 characters of CJK for unicode 12.0 came from? This source, https://blogs.adobe.com/CCJKType/category/unicode, as well as on the main Unicode page, http://www.unicode.org/versions/Unicode12.0.0/, doesn't say anything about it. [[User:Airgum|Airgum]] ([[User talk:Airgum|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Airgum|contribs]]) 17:48, 28 July 2018 (UTC) == Yi Ideographs in Unicode == A new document about Yi ideographs has appeared online: [https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2022/22183-yi-preliminary.pdf "Introduction to encode Yi Ideographs in UCS"] Cheers, readers. [[User:Apisite|Apisite]] ([[User talk:Apisite|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Apisite|contribs]]) 21:27, 3 August 2022 (UTC) == I think the badness has passed == Requesting unprotection for IP users to edit accurate information. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-64091-1|&#126;2025-64091-1]] ([[User talk:&#126;2025-64091-1|talk]]) 23:17, 17 September 2025 (UTC) [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-31755-81|&#126;2025-31755-81]] ([[User talk:&#126;2025-31755-81|talk]]) 22:37, 24 March 2026 (UTC) == Semi-protected edit request on 24 November 2025 == {{edit semi-protected|Unicode/Versions|answered=yes}} [[User:Renault33|Renault33]] ([[User talk:Renault33|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Renault33|contribs]]) 13:07, 24 November 2025 (UTC) == Semi-protected edit request on 4 January 2026 == {{edit semi-protected|Unicode/Versions|answered=no}} [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-72640|&#126;2026-72640]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-72640|talk]]) 15:52, 4 January 2026 (UTC) == Unicode 19.0 additions and fixes == I'm thinking that at the Unicode Pipeline in the Provisionally assigned The 2025 characters up to April could be added. And the squinting face and apple core becuase both of those were replaced by cracking smile and pickle. Miscellaneous Symbols and arrows is located at 1DB00-1DBFF.[[User:Qawerasersa|Qawerasersa]] ([[User talk:Qawerasersa|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Qawerasersa|contribs]]) 14:03, 26 January 2026 (UTC) == Emoji 18.0 == It's not squinting face it's cracking face == Semi-protected edit request on 15 September 2026 == {{edit semi-protected|Unicode/Versions|answered=no}} [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-37044-43|&#126;2026-37044-43]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-37044-43|talk]]) 05:01, 27 June 2026 (UTC) ==LTA purge== Purging edits from known socks.[[User:Alexlatham96|Alexlatham96]] ([[User talk:Alexlatham96|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Alexlatham96|contribs]]) 0ezb79yjy5bg85f9s4mcifsxpv30f8c 4671702 4671701 2026-09-22T06:26:19Z Alexlatham96 377450 /* I think the badness has passed */ Suspected sock 4671702 wikitext text/x-wiki ==Why was R with grave not added in Unicode 1.1?== All other letters for Serbo-Croatian dialectology were added. {{unsigned|Alexlatham96|21:27, 7 May 2018 (UTC)}} Update: Proposed in N1325 (along with R-tilde and R-macron) and endorsed by TITUS (which has them in the PUA), but rejected. N1353 debunked the myth that these were missed (WG2 considered them). [[User:Alexlatham96|Alexlatham96]] ([[User talk:Alexlatham96|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Alexlatham96|contribs]]) 00:11, 22 September 2026 (UTC) == I don't thnk CJK Extension G will be included in unicode 12.0 == Can someone source where the 5001 characters of CJK for unicode 12.0 came from? This source, https://blogs.adobe.com/CCJKType/category/unicode, as well as on the main Unicode page, http://www.unicode.org/versions/Unicode12.0.0/, doesn't say anything about it. [[User:Airgum|Airgum]] ([[User talk:Airgum|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Airgum|contribs]]) 17:48, 28 July 2018 (UTC) == Yi Ideographs in Unicode == A new document about Yi ideographs has appeared online: [https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2022/22183-yi-preliminary.pdf "Introduction to encode Yi Ideographs in UCS"] Cheers, readers. [[User:Apisite|Apisite]] ([[User talk:Apisite|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Apisite|contribs]]) 21:27, 3 August 2022 (UTC) == Semi-protected edit request on 24 November 2025 == {{edit semi-protected|Unicode/Versions|answered=yes}} [[User:Renault33|Renault33]] ([[User talk:Renault33|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Renault33|contribs]]) 13:07, 24 November 2025 (UTC) == Semi-protected edit request on 4 January 2026 == {{edit semi-protected|Unicode/Versions|answered=no}} [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-72640|&#126;2026-72640]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-72640|talk]]) 15:52, 4 January 2026 (UTC) == Unicode 19.0 additions and fixes == I'm thinking that at the Unicode Pipeline in the Provisionally assigned The 2025 characters up to April could be added. And the squinting face and apple core becuase both of those were replaced by cracking smile and pickle. Miscellaneous Symbols and arrows is located at 1DB00-1DBFF.[[User:Qawerasersa|Qawerasersa]] ([[User talk:Qawerasersa|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Qawerasersa|contribs]]) 14:03, 26 January 2026 (UTC) == Emoji 18.0 == It's not squinting face it's cracking face == Semi-protected edit request on 15 September 2026 == {{edit semi-protected|Unicode/Versions|answered=no}} [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-37044-43|&#126;2026-37044-43]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-37044-43|talk]]) 05:01, 27 June 2026 (UTC) ==LTA purge== Purging edits from known socks.[[User:Alexlatham96|Alexlatham96]] ([[User talk:Alexlatham96|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Alexlatham96|contribs]]) 9vl2op50zmlbjg2qb79delol39m1elw 4671703 4671702 2026-09-22T06:27:07Z Alexlatham96 377450 Sockpuppets 4671703 wikitext text/x-wiki ==Why was R with grave not added in Unicode 1.1?== All other letters for Serbo-Croatian dialectology were added. {{unsigned|Alexlatham96|21:27, 7 May 2018 (UTC)}} Update: Proposed in N1325 (along with R-tilde and R-macron) and endorsed by TITUS (which has them in the PUA), but rejected. N1353 debunked the myth that these were missed (WG2 considered them). [[User:Alexlatham96|Alexlatham96]] ([[User talk:Alexlatham96|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Alexlatham96|contribs]]) 00:11, 22 September 2026 (UTC) == I don't thnk CJK Extension G will be included in unicode 12.0 == Can someone source where the 5001 characters of CJK for unicode 12.0 came from? This source, https://blogs.adobe.com/CCJKType/category/unicode, as well as on the main Unicode page, http://www.unicode.org/versions/Unicode12.0.0/, doesn't say anything about it. [[User:Airgum|Airgum]] ([[User talk:Airgum|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Airgum|contribs]]) 17:48, 28 July 2018 (UTC) == Yi Ideographs in Unicode == A new document about Yi ideographs has appeared online: [https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2022/22183-yi-preliminary.pdf "Introduction to encode Yi Ideographs in UCS"] Cheers, readers. [[User:Apisite|Apisite]] ([[User talk:Apisite|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Apisite|contribs]]) 21:27, 3 August 2022 (UTC) == Unicode 19.0 additions and fixes == I'm thinking that at the Unicode Pipeline in the Provisionally assigned The 2025 characters up to April could be added. And the squinting face and apple core becuase both of those were replaced by cracking smile and pickle. Miscellaneous Symbols and arrows is located at 1DB00-1DBFF.[[User:Qawerasersa|Qawerasersa]] ([[User talk:Qawerasersa|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Qawerasersa|contribs]]) 14:03, 26 January 2026 (UTC) == Emoji 18.0 == It's not squinting face it's cracking face == Semi-protected edit request on 15 September 2026 == {{edit semi-protected|Unicode/Versions|answered=no}} [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-37044-43|&#126;2026-37044-43]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-37044-43|talk]]) 05:01, 27 June 2026 (UTC) ==LTA purge== Purging edits from known socks.[[User:Alexlatham96|Alexlatham96]] ([[User talk:Alexlatham96|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Alexlatham96|contribs]]) kl804jlieri4vnyqecw44f5gevf1p0g 4671704 4671703 2026-09-22T06:28:01Z Alexlatham96 377450 /* Semi-protected edit request on 15 September 2026 */ likely block evasion- please check if possible 4671704 wikitext text/x-wiki ==Why was R with grave not added in Unicode 1.1?== All other letters for Serbo-Croatian dialectology were added. {{unsigned|Alexlatham96|21:27, 7 May 2018 (UTC)}} Update: Proposed in N1325 (along with R-tilde and R-macron) and endorsed by TITUS (which has them in the PUA), but rejected. N1353 debunked the myth that these were missed (WG2 considered them). [[User:Alexlatham96|Alexlatham96]] ([[User talk:Alexlatham96|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Alexlatham96|contribs]]) 00:11, 22 September 2026 (UTC) == I don't thnk CJK Extension G will be included in unicode 12.0 == Can someone source where the 5001 characters of CJK for unicode 12.0 came from? This source, https://blogs.adobe.com/CCJKType/category/unicode, as well as on the main Unicode page, http://www.unicode.org/versions/Unicode12.0.0/, doesn't say anything about it. [[User:Airgum|Airgum]] ([[User talk:Airgum|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Airgum|contribs]]) 17:48, 28 July 2018 (UTC) == Yi Ideographs in Unicode == A new document about Yi ideographs has appeared online: [https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2022/22183-yi-preliminary.pdf "Introduction to encode Yi Ideographs in UCS"] Cheers, readers. [[User:Apisite|Apisite]] ([[User talk:Apisite|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Apisite|contribs]]) 21:27, 3 August 2022 (UTC) == Unicode 19.0 additions and fixes == I'm thinking that at the Unicode Pipeline in the Provisionally assigned The 2025 characters up to April could be added. And the squinting face and apple core becuase both of those were replaced by cracking smile and pickle. Miscellaneous Symbols and arrows is located at 1DB00-1DBFF.[[User:Qawerasersa|Qawerasersa]] ([[User talk:Qawerasersa|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Qawerasersa|contribs]]) 14:03, 26 January 2026 (UTC) == Emoji 18.0 == It's not squinting face it's cracking face ==LTA purge== Purging edits from known socks.[[User:Alexlatham96|Alexlatham96]] ([[User talk:Alexlatham96|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Alexlatham96|contribs]]) jrccqbzzc905cm2elf8nlvw7e1p4dya 4671705 4671704 2026-09-22T06:31:18Z Alexlatham96 377450 /* Emoji 18.0 */ corrected- unable to identify source 4671705 wikitext text/x-wiki ==Why was R with grave not added in Unicode 1.1?== All other letters for Serbo-Croatian dialectology were added. {{unsigned|Alexlatham96|21:27, 7 May 2018 (UTC)}} Update: Proposed in N1325 (along with R-tilde and R-macron) and endorsed by TITUS (which has them in the PUA), but rejected. N1353 debunked the myth that these were missed (WG2 considered them). [[User:Alexlatham96|Alexlatham96]] ([[User talk:Alexlatham96|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Alexlatham96|contribs]]) 00:11, 22 September 2026 (UTC) == I don't thnk CJK Extension G will be included in unicode 12.0 == Can someone source where the 5001 characters of CJK for unicode 12.0 came from? This source, https://blogs.adobe.com/CCJKType/category/unicode, as well as on the main Unicode page, http://www.unicode.org/versions/Unicode12.0.0/, doesn't say anything about it. [[User:Airgum|Airgum]] ([[User talk:Airgum|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Airgum|contribs]]) 17:48, 28 July 2018 (UTC) == Yi Ideographs in Unicode == A new document about Yi ideographs has appeared online: [https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2022/22183-yi-preliminary.pdf "Introduction to encode Yi Ideographs in UCS"] Cheers, readers. [[User:Apisite|Apisite]] ([[User talk:Apisite|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Apisite|contribs]]) 21:27, 3 August 2022 (UTC) == Unicode 19.0 additions and fixes == I'm thinking that at the Unicode Pipeline in the Provisionally assigned The 2025 characters up to April could be added. And the squinting face and apple core becuase both of those were replaced by cracking smile and pickle. Miscellaneous Symbols and arrows is located at 1DB00-1DBFF.[[User:Qawerasersa|Qawerasersa]] ([[User talk:Qawerasersa|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Qawerasersa|contribs]]) 14:03, 26 January 2026 (UTC) ==LTA purge== Purging edits from known socks.[[User:Alexlatham96|Alexlatham96]] ([[User talk:Alexlatham96|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Alexlatham96|contribs]]) oepob0cx6u0nlpz0kavwlffkwbsy61t 4671706 4671705 2026-09-22T06:31:43Z Alexlatham96 377450 /* LTA purge */ 4671706 wikitext text/x-wiki ==Why was R with grave not added in Unicode 1.1?== All other letters for Serbo-Croatian dialectology were added. {{unsigned|Alexlatham96|21:27, 7 May 2018 (UTC)}} Update: Proposed in N1325 (along with R-tilde and R-macron) and endorsed by TITUS (which has them in the PUA), but rejected. N1353 debunked the myth that these were missed (WG2 considered them). [[User:Alexlatham96|Alexlatham96]] ([[User talk:Alexlatham96|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Alexlatham96|contribs]]) 00:11, 22 September 2026 (UTC) == I don't thnk CJK Extension G will be included in unicode 12.0 == Can someone source where the 5001 characters of CJK for unicode 12.0 came from? This source, https://blogs.adobe.com/CCJKType/category/unicode, as well as on the main Unicode page, http://www.unicode.org/versions/Unicode12.0.0/, doesn't say anything about it. [[User:Airgum|Airgum]] ([[User talk:Airgum|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Airgum|contribs]]) 17:48, 28 July 2018 (UTC) == Yi Ideographs in Unicode == A new document about Yi ideographs has appeared online: [https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2022/22183-yi-preliminary.pdf "Introduction to encode Yi Ideographs in UCS"] Cheers, readers. [[User:Apisite|Apisite]] ([[User talk:Apisite|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Apisite|contribs]]) 21:27, 3 August 2022 (UTC) == Unicode 19.0 additions and fixes == I'm thinking that at the Unicode Pipeline in the Provisionally assigned The 2025 characters up to April could be added. And the squinting face and apple core becuase both of those were replaced by cracking smile and pickle. Miscellaneous Symbols and arrows is located at 1DB00-1DBFF.[[User:Qawerasersa|Qawerasersa]] ([[User talk:Qawerasersa|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Qawerasersa|contribs]]) 14:03, 26 January 2026 (UTC) ==LTA purge== Purging edits from known socks. [[User:Alexlatham96|Alexlatham96]] ([[User talk:Alexlatham96|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Alexlatham96|contribs]]) Done.[[User:Alexlatham96|Alexlatham96]] ([[User talk:Alexlatham96|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Alexlatham96|contribs]]) 06:31, 22 September 2026 (UTC) refss11kgd30sfsrrv3i8sgl1uitl5z 4671707 4671706 2026-09-22T06:32:17Z Alexlatham96 377450 /* Why was R with grave not added in Unicode 1.1? */ 4671707 wikitext text/x-wiki ==Why was R with grave not added in Unicode 1.1?== All other letters for Serbo-Croatian dialectology were added. {{unsigned|Alexlatham96|21:27, 7 May 2018 (UTC)}} Update: Proposed in N1325 (along with R-tilde and R-macron) and endorsed by TITUS if it existed (which has them in the PUA), but rejected. N1353 debunked the myth that these were missed (WG2 considered them). [[User:Alexlatham96|Alexlatham96]] ([[User talk:Alexlatham96|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Alexlatham96|contribs]]) 00:11, 22 September 2026 (UTC) == I don't thnk CJK Extension G will be included in unicode 12.0 == Can someone source where the 5001 characters of CJK for unicode 12.0 came from? This source, https://blogs.adobe.com/CCJKType/category/unicode, as well as on the main Unicode page, http://www.unicode.org/versions/Unicode12.0.0/, doesn't say anything about it. [[User:Airgum|Airgum]] ([[User talk:Airgum|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Airgum|contribs]]) 17:48, 28 July 2018 (UTC) == Yi Ideographs in Unicode == A new document about Yi ideographs has appeared online: [https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2022/22183-yi-preliminary.pdf "Introduction to encode Yi Ideographs in UCS"] Cheers, readers. [[User:Apisite|Apisite]] ([[User talk:Apisite|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Apisite|contribs]]) 21:27, 3 August 2022 (UTC) == Unicode 19.0 additions and fixes == I'm thinking that at the Unicode Pipeline in the Provisionally assigned The 2025 characters up to April could be added. And the squinting face and apple core becuase both of those were replaced by cracking smile and pickle. Miscellaneous Symbols and arrows is located at 1DB00-1DBFF.[[User:Qawerasersa|Qawerasersa]] ([[User talk:Qawerasersa|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Qawerasersa|contribs]]) 14:03, 26 January 2026 (UTC) ==LTA purge== Purging edits from known socks. 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Vavilov'', 2019 SCC 65, [2019] 4 SCR 653 at para. 117. </ref> A full discussion of statutory interpretation is beyond the scope of this text. Some brief comments may suffice: * '''Ordinary sense of the words:''' Where the words of a statutory provision are precise and unequivocal, the ordinary meaning of the words will play a dominant role in the interpretive process.<ref>''Canada Trustco Mortgage Co. v. Canada'', 2005 SCC 54 at para. 10.</ref> Legislative purpose alone cannot justify a departure from the express language of a provision.<ref>''Dow Chemical Canada ULC v Canada'', 2024 SCC 23 at para 101.</ref> Where, however, words in a statutory provision are capable of supporting more than one reasonable meaning, the ordinary meaning of the words plays a lesser role in the statutory interpretation analysis.<ref>''Canada (Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness) v. Weldemariam,'' 2024 FCA 69 (CanLII), at para 84, <https://canlii.ca/t/k419v#par84>, retrieved on 2024-06-12.</ref> Where there are two plausible interpretations of a provision, the one that better connects to the purpose of a provision should be preferred.<ref>''McBratney v McBratney'', 1919 CanLII 42 (SCC) (per Duff J).</ref> * '''The words of a statute must be read harmoniously with the scheme of the Act.''' A Division must not take extra-statutory powers. Equally, however, it must not decline to hear matters where Parliament has afforded that right.<ref>''Rebelo v. Canada (Citizenship and Immigration),'' 2025 FC 1738 (CanLII), at para 95, <https://canlii.ca/t/kg73r#par95>, retrieved on 2025-11-10.</ref> * '''The presumption of consistent or uniform expression.''' The principle of "uniformity of expression" states that a word or phrase should have one and only one meaning across the statute and enabled regulation. Giving the same words the same meaning through a statute is a basic principle of statutory interpretation.<ref>''R v Zeolkowski'', 1989 CanLII 72 (SCC), [1989] 1 SCR 1378 at p 1387.</ref> The opposite is also true, the use of different wording implies a different meaning.<ref>''Maurice v Priel'', 1987 CanLII 207 (SK CA), 46 DLR (4th) 416, ''per'' Bayda CJ, at pp. 20-21.</ref> One of the doctrines that may arise is that statutes ''in pari materia'' (i.e., statutes on the same subject or matter) should be construed harmoniously.<ref>''Sharbern Holding Inc. v. Vancouver Airport Centre Ltd.,'' 2011 SCC 23, [2011] 2 SCR 175 at para. 117.</ref> See, e.g., [[Canadian Refugee Procedure/Privacy Act]]. However, one should not introduce "unnecessary complications and subtleties by placing undue emphasis on minor differences in the drafting of legislative texts".<ref>''Nsau c. Canada (Citoyenneté et Immigration),'' 2025 CF 2028 (CanLII), at para 28, <https://canlii.ca/t/kh841#par28>, retrieved on 2026-01-08.</ref> * '''''Expressio unius est exclusio alterius'''''. This maxim of statutory interpretation means that the expression of one thing is the exclusion of another. For example, when the legislature expressly codifies only part of the law relating to a matter, the Court may rely on implied exclusion reasoning to conclude that the part of the law not expressly mentioned was meant to be excluded.<ref>''Nazifpour v. Canada (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration) (F.C.A.),'' 2007 FCA 35 (CanLII), [2007] 4 FCR 515, at para 20, <https://canlii.ca/t/1qg9c#par20>, retrieved on 2024-05-24.</ref> In other words, whenever there is reason to believe that the legislature intended to include a particular element in its legislation, the courts may expect it would have referred to that element expressly.<ref>''Tesfaye v. Canada (Citizenship and Immigration),'' 2024 FC 2040 (CanLII), at para 41, <https://canlii.ca/t/k8d50#par41>, retrieved on 2024-12-17.</ref> * '''In refugee law, the exceptions to the refugee regime should be interpreted restrictively.'''<ref>Júlia Zomignani Barboza, International Protection for Criminals: To Grant or Not to Grant? Lessons from Australia, Belgium, and Canada, ''International Journal of Refugee Law'', 2024, eeae026, https://doi.org/10.1093/ijrl/eeae026, at page 21.</ref> The strict interpretation principle resolves ambiguities in favour of the applicant in provisions negatively affecting their refugee status.<ref>''Canada (Citizenship and Immigration) v Heidari Gezik'', 2015 FC 1268 at para 61.</ref> An administrative interpretation must consider the potentially harsh consequences of its interpretation of a statutory provision for a large class of individuals, and whether, in light of those consequences, the legislature would have intended the provision to apply in that way.<ref>''Mason v Canada (Citizenship and Immigration)'', 2023 SCC 21 at para 69.</ref> Provisions negatively affecting the status of refugees are to be strictly construed.<ref>''Canada (Citizenship and Immigration) v Heidari Gezik'', 2015 FC 1268 at para 51.</ref> The decision maker is obligated not simply to explain why the decision is consistent with legislative intention, but why the decision best reflects legislative intention. This means that if there is an option that is respectful of other constraints but carries less harsh consequences, a decision maker should explain why that option was not pursued.<ref>''Kimotho v. Canada (Citizenship and Immigration),'' 2025 FC 1719 (CanLII), at para 35, <https://canlii.ca/t/kg2vz#par35>, retrieved on 2025-10-27.</ref> * '''Presumption against tautology.''' There is a presumption that Parliament has not included words in a statute which are superfluous and redundant.<ref>''Canada (Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness) v. Weldemariam,'' 2024 FCA 69 (CanLII), at para 90, <https://canlii.ca/t/k419v#par90>, retrieved on 2024-06-12.</ref> * '''Presumption against surplusage.''' To interpret different provisions within a legislative scheme in a manner that renders those provisions duplicative or serving the same purpose is inconsistent with the presumption against surplusage.<ref>''R v Proulx'', 2000 SCC 5 at para 28; ''Slepcsik v. Canada (Citizenship and Immigration),'' 2025 FC 1840 (CanLII), at para 158, <https://canlii.ca/t/kgkv2#par158>, retrieved on 2025-12-01.</ref> * '''Presumption against absurdity or arbitrary results.''' The modern approach to statutory interpretation must account for any absurd consequences.<ref name=":26">''Rebelo v. Canada (Citizenship and Immigration),'' 2025 FC 1738 (CanLII), at para 78, <https://canlii.ca/t/kg73r#par78>, retrieved on 2025-11-10.</ref> The legislature does not intend to produce absurd consequences.<ref>''Rizzo & Rizzo Shoes Ltd (Re)'', 1998 CanLII 837 (SCC), [1998] 1 SCR 27 at para 27.</ref> The ''IRPA'' is a comprehensive piece of legislation with a sequence of remedies in place, and Parliament must have intended those remedies to have a purpose and be efficacious.<ref>''Pepa v. Canada (Citizenship and Immigration),'' 2025 SCC 21 (CanLII), at para 106, <https://canlii.ca/t/kcwlj#par106>, retrieved on 2025-06-28.</ref> The scheme of the IRPA is to ensure that two decision makers cannot make incompatible or the same ruling, in the alternative or otherwise, on the same issue on the same facts.<ref>''Singh v. Canada (Citizenship and Immigration),'' 2015 FC 1415 (CanLII), [2016] 3 FCR 248, at para 52, <https://canlii.ca/t/gn1jt#par52>, retrieved on 2025-07-26, affirmed by the Federal Court of Appeal.</ref> * '''The existence of harsh consequences.''' The modern approach to statutory interpretation must account for any harsh consequences.<ref name=":26" /> * '''Interpretation Act.''' Other relevant principles of statutory interpretation are those arising from the ''Interpretation Act'', such as the presumptive rule in section 11 of the ''Interpretation Act'' that “may” is permissive<ref>''Virani v. Canada (Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness),'' 2017 FC 1083 (CanLII), at para 9, <https://canlii.ca/t/hp4hx#par9>, retrieved on 2024-03-17.</ref> and section 14, which provides that marginal notes and headings do not form part of a statute, and are inserted only for ease of reference (that said, it is nevertheless permissible to consider them as part of the interpretative process, although they may be accorded lesser weight than other interpretive aids).<ref>''Canada (Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness) v. Weldemariam,'' 2024 FCA 69 (CanLII), at para 96, <https://canlii.ca/t/k419v#par96>, retrieved on 2024-06-12.</ref> * '''Subordinate legislation: the relationship between the rules, regulations, and Act.''' Some of the RPD and RAD rules are said to be merely procedural ones which cannot circumscribe the broad decision-making authority of a Division as described in the IRPA.<ref>''Al-Lamy v. Canada (Citizenship and Immigration),'' 2024 FC 1621, para. 21.</ref> * '''''Stare decisis.''''' Only in exceptional circumstances should a well-established interpretation of a statutory provision be abandoned.<ref>''Rahaman v. Canada (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration)'' (C.A.), 2002 FCA 89 (CanLII), [2002] 3 FC 537, at para 26, <https://canlii.ca/t/4jbr#par26>, retrieved on 2025-10-27.</ref> * '''Hansard.''' On the relevance of Hansard, the Federal Court of Appeal has commented that the authentic meaning of the legislation is the law, not what some politicians may have said about it at some place, at some time, for whatever reason.<ref>''Alexion Pharmaceuticals Inc v Canada (Attorney General)'', 2021 FCA 157, para. 53.</ref> * '''Presumption against retroactivity.''' A retroactive statue is a statue that operates backwards, changing the law from what it was before that statue came into effect. In comparison, a retrospective statue operates forwards, it does not change what the law was before that statue come into effect, but it attaches new consequences to an event occurred before that statue come into effect.<ref>''Zeng v. Canada (Citizenship and Immigration)'', 2019 FC 1586 (CanLII), <https://canlii.ca/t/j3wnm>, retrieved on 2025-12-18, para. 25</ref> There is a strong presumption against interpreting legislation as being retroactive, because the rule of law requires that people be able to order their affairs in light of an established legal order.<ref>''R. v. Albashir'', 2021 SCC 48 (CanLII), [2021] 3 SCR 531, <https://canlii.ca/t/jkhxp>, retrieved on 2025-12-18, para. 35</ref> However, the rule of law does not ''prohibit'' retroactive and/or retrospective legislation.<ref>''Ibid.''</ref> When the legislature clearly expresses the intention of applying a statue retroactively/retrospectively, or the statue cannot be reasonably interpreted otherwise, then the statute must be effective according to its terms, even though retrospective and/or retroactive legislation can overturn settled expectations and be perceived as unjust.<ref>''Hamami v. Canada'' (Citizenship and Immigration), 2022 FC 222 (CanLII), <https://canlii.ca/t/jmkh0>, retrieved on 2025-12-18 at para. 47</ref> === Principles about the expectations that one reasonably has of the Board === *'''First, the Board should do no harm.''' The Board commits in the ''Instructions for Gathering and Disclosing Information for Refugee Appeal Division Proceedings'' that "the assigned member will request specific information about the person who is the subject of the appeal and use such information only when they have completed a risk assessment and are satisfied that there is no serious possibility that gathering the information would endanger the life, liberty or security of the person who is the subject of the appeal or any other person."<ref>Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada, ''Instructions for Gathering and Disclosing Information for Refugee Appeal Division Proceedings'', Effective: May 30, 2016, <https://irb.gc.ca/en/legal-policy/policies/Pages/InstRadSpr0516.aspx> (Accessed October 2, 2023), section D.</ref> This is a general principle that applies to many similar information-gathering functions. For example, in all circumstances and at all times, United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights staff have an obligation not to jeopardize the life, safety, freedom and well-being of victims, witnesses and other cooperating persons.<ref>United Nations Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights, ''Manual on human rights monitoring: Chapter 14 (Protection of victims, witnesses and other cooperating persons),''<https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/Documents/Publications/Chapter14-56pp.pdf>, page 8.</ref> The same obligation may reasonably extend to staff of the Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada. That said, there are legal protections against criminal and civil claims provided that the Board acts in good faith: [[Canadian Refugee Procedure/156 - Immunity and no summons]]. *'''A high duty of procedural fairness is owed in the refugee context.''' The Federal Court of Appeal has stated that “The independence of the Board, its adjudicative procedure and functions, and the fact that its decisions affect the Charter rights of claimants, indicate that the content of the duty of fairness owed by the Board, including the duty of impartiality, falls at the high end of the continuum of procedural fairness.”<ref name=":0">''Geza v. Canada (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration),'' 2006 FCA 124, para. 53.</ref> For more detail, see: [[Canadian Refugee Procedure/Principles for the interpretation of refugee procedure#The fact that Charter rights are at play in Board proceedings means that the extent of procedural fairness owed to claimants is high]]. *'''The tribunal and its procedures should be as accessible as possible.'''<ref name=":2">S. Ronald Ellis, ''The Corporate Responsibility of Tribunal Members'', Canadian Journal of Administrative Law & Practice, February 2009, 22 Can. J. Admin. L. & Prac. 1, <http://www.ccat-ctac.org/CMFiles/Ron%20Ellis/21.TheCorporateResponsibilityofTribunalMembers.pdf#page15> (Accessed July 25, 2020), page 10.</ref> The Supreme Court has described the IRPA as “a parallel justice system established alongside courts of law to provide accessible, expert, and expeditious adjudication of a broad spectrum of claims” in the immigration context.<ref>''Canada (Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness) v. Chhina,'' 2019 SCC 29, [2019] 2 S.C.R. 467, at para. 28.</ref> The Federal Court has held that the IRPA provisions regarding refugee status determination evince a legislative intention to avoid the formalities which are attendant upon court hearings in civil or criminal proceedings.<ref>''Benitez v. Canada (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration),'' 2006 FC 461 (CanLII), [2007] 1 FCR 107, par. 64, <https://canlii.ca/t/1n3nx#par64>, retrieved on 2021-07-17.</ref> To this end, the Executive Committee of the UNHCR recommends that states provide refugee claimants with the necessary guidance as to the procedure to be followed.<ref>Conclusions Adopted by the Executive Committee in the International Protection of Refugees 1975-2009 (Conclusion 1-109). See Conclusion 8 9, <https://www.unhcr.org/en-us/578371524.pdf> (Accessed February 5, 2021).</ref> By way of example, the RPD states the following to claimants: "If you experience difficulties with accessing the technology to complete an application form, you should contact the <abbr>RPD</abbr> Registry right away. They can mail or fax you a copy of the form. You can also request to pick up a copy of the form at an <abbr>IRB</abbr> office."<ref name=":25">Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada, ''Questions and answers: Practice Notice on Procedural Issues,'' Date modified: 2024-09-09 <<nowiki>https://irb.gc.ca/en/legal-policy/procedures/Pages/rpd-pnpi-qa.aspx</nowiki>>, at question 13.</ref> The Board errs where it misleads an applicant as to their rights or the content of the relevant rules.<ref>''Nwankwo v. Canada (Citizenship and Immigration),'' 2024 FC 1827 (CanLII), at para 32, <https://canlii.ca/t/k7zdl#par32>, retrieved on 2024-12-12.</ref> *'''It is not the Board's role to provide legal advice to claimants.''' The RPD states that its registry can answer general questions but they cannot provide advice about what parties should put into their forms (legal advice).<ref name=":25" /> In ''Sundaram v. Canada'' the Federal Court stated that it was "not prepared to read into the immigration scheme an obligation on officials to give advice on practice and procedures. The situation of giving advice is markedly different from those Court decisions which have held that officials must provide prospective applicants with the necessary forms. People are entitled to government forms; they are not entitled to receive free legal advice from RPD officials."<ref>''Sundaram v. Canada (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration),'' 2006 FC 291 (CanLII), par. 12, <http://canlii.ca/t/1mr2v#par12>, retrieved on 2020-04-11.</ref> The Federal Court held in ''Law v. Canada'' that an administrative tribunal has no obligation to act as the attorney for a claimant who refused counsel.<ref>''Law v. Canada (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration)'' (2007), 2007 FC 1006, 160 A.C.W.S. (3d) 879 at para. 16.</ref> Put another way, "it is not the obligation of the Board to 'teach' the Applicant the law on a particular matter involving his or her claim".<ref>''Ngyuen v. Canada (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration),'' 2005 FC 1001, [2005] F.C.J. No. 1244 (QL), at para. 17.</ref> It is also not the obligation of courts or tribunals to provide mini courses on law and procedure.<ref>''Kerqeli v. Canada (Citizenship and Immigration),'' 2015 FC 475 (CanLII), at para 13, <https://canlii.ca/t/ghc6p#par13>, retrieved on 2024-12-12.</ref> As the Federal Court stated in ''Singh v. Canada,'' "It is not up to the RAD to make the case for the applicants".<ref>''Singh v. Canada (Citizenship and Immigration),'' 2021 FC 810 (CanLII), at para 58, <https://canlii.ca/t/jhcg4#par58>, retrieved on 2022-01-21.</ref> But see the following regarding self-represented claimants: [https://en.m.wikibooks.org/wiki/Canadian_Refugee_Procedure/RPD_Rules_14-16_-_Counsel_of_Record#The_Board_has_a_heightened_duty_of_procedural_fairness_when_dealing_with_self-represented_claimants Canadian Refugee Procedure/RPD Rules 14-16 - Counsel of Record#The Board has a heightened duty of procedural fairness when dealing with self-represented claimants]. See also the following regarding the expectation that a panel will identify what legal issues are in play in a claim:[[Canadian Refugee Procedure/The right to be heard and the right to a fair hearing#Claimants have an expectation that a claim will only be rejected on the basis of a legal issue that a panel has identified as being at issue]]. *'''The tribunal's decisions should follow the law.''' Cases should be decided based on all of the law that binds the Board, not just the law that the parties happen to put in front of a panel.<ref>''Canada (Citizenship and Immigration) et al. v. The Canadian Council for Refugees et al.,'' 2021 FCA 72, para. 125.</ref> Panels are to follow all legal and procedural requirements, and when reviewing the conduct of another panel, there is a "presumption of regularity", a presumption which can only be rebutted with "convincing evidence".<ref>''Varela v Canada (Citizenship and Immigration),'' 2017 FC 1157 [Barnes J].</ref> See: [[Canadian Refugee Procedure/The right to be heard and the right to a fair hearing#Decisions must follow the law]]. This tracks Canada's international obligations; the International Court of Justice has held that a panel is not limited to the arguments submitted by the parties and the panel is deemed to take judicial notice of the law and is therefore required to consider on its own initiative all rules which may be relevant.<ref>Alain Pellet, Judicial Settlement of International Disputes, ''Max Planck Encyclopedia of Public International Law'', July 2013, <https://prawo.uni.wroc.pl/sites/default/files/students-resources/law-9780199231690-e54-1.pdf> (Accessed September 30, 2022).</ref> See also: [[Canadian Refugee Procedure/RPD Rule 22 - Specialized Knowledge#IRPA s. 170: The Division may take notice of any facts that may be judicially noticed]]. *'''The tribunal should develop its own jurisprudence.''' Within the limits of the law, the Federal Court has commented that it is important that the Board have the possibility of developing its own jurisprudence.<ref>''M.C.I v. Huruglica,'' 2016 FCA 93 (C.A.F.), para. 74.</ref> The academics Diesen, et. al., argue that for appeal bodies to function effectively, it is not enough that higher bodies occasionally correct lower decisions: there must be a systematic and pedagogical ambition in the reasoning of the higher bodies, in order to guide lower authorities towards consistent practice.<ref>Andersson, S., Diesen, C., Lagerqvist Veloz Roca, A., Seidlitz, M., & Wilton Wahren, A. (2018). ''Prövning av migrationsärenden'' (3rd ed., Bevis 8). Stockholm: Norstedts Juridik. {{#isbn:9789139020530}}, page 233.</ref> *'''The Board’s procedures should be predictable.''' The Board states that Members should endeavour to be aware of how other panels have been dealing with issues and, where possible, try to do the same as a means of promoting consistency of procedures in the Refugee Division.<ref name=":23">Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada. ''Mission, Vision, and Values of the Immigration and Refugee Board'', Last updated: 2006 04 20, online <https://web.archive.org/web/20071115151510/http://www.irb-cisr.gc.ca/en/references/legal/rpd/handbook/hbmission_e.htm> (Accessed November 9, 2023).</ref> The basic principles of equal protection and due process reflected in the ''American Declaration of the Rights and Duties of Man'' require predictable procedures.<ref>Inter-American Commission on Human Rights (IACHR), ''Report on the Situation of Human Rights of Asylum Seekers Within the Canadian Refugee Determination System'', 2000, Inter-Am. C.H.R., OEA/Ser.L/V/II.106, Doc. 40 rev. (2000), available at: <nowiki>https://www.refworld.org/docid/50ceedc72.html</nowiki> [accessed 18 August 2020], para. 52.</ref> Canada’s position is that it implements the relevant parts of the ''American Declaration'' using the standards and procedures of the IRPA.<ref>Inter-American Commission on Human Rights (IACHR), ''Report on the Situation of Human Rights of Asylum Seekers Within the Canadian Refugee Determination System'', 2000, Inter-Am. C.H.R., OEA/Ser.L/V/II.106, Doc. 40 rev. (2000), available at: <nowiki>https://www.refworld.org/docid/50ceedc72.html</nowiki> [accessed 18 August 2020], para. 36.</ref> Similarly, UNHCR states in its ''Procedural Standards for Refugee Status Determination'' that "RSD applications must be processed pursuant to transparent and fair procedures".<ref>UN High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR), ''Procedural Standards for Refugee Status Determination Under UNHCR's Mandate'', 26 August 2020, available at: <nowiki>https://www.refworld.org/docid/5e870b254.html</nowiki> [accessed 5 September 2020], page 15.</ref> That said, the Federal Court has stated that the tribunal has the freedom to apply the statutory provisions that it interprets "with more or less flexibility depending on the circumstances of the case".<ref>''Canada (Citizenship and Immigration) v. Singh,'' 2016 FCA 96 (CanLII), [2016] 4 FCR 230, at para 64, <https://canlii.ca/t/gp31b#par64>, retrieved on 2022-04-22.</ref> See: [[Canadian Refugee Procedure/The right to be heard and the right to a fair hearing#Decision-making should be predictable and consistent across the Board]]. *'''The Board will advise parties if their documents do not follow their filing instructions or the Division's rules.''' The Board commits that "if your documents don't follow the filing instructions or divisional rules, we will tell you and ask you to send them again correctly."<ref>Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada, ''Questions and answers: How to submit documents electronically or by fax to the RPD and the RAD,'' Date modified: 2025-10-01, <https://irb-cisr.gc.ca/en/legal-policy/procedures/Pages/qa-submit-documents-electronically-or-fax-rpd-rad.aspx>.</ref> *'''The Board must not fault parties for its own deficiencies.''' For example, in ''Huseen v. Canada'', the government pointed out that the IRB Office in Toronto only received a venue change request one day before the abandonment hearing. The court commented "this speaks to the internal communications between regional offices at the IRB, as the Calgary IRB office was handed the change of venue request, in person, about three weeks prior. It would be unfair to fault the Applicants for the Board’s delay in internal communications, over which the Applicants had no control or influence."<ref>''Huseen v. Canada (Citizenship and Immigration),'' 2015 FC 845 (CanLII), par. 34, <<nowiki>http://canlii.ca/t/gkmz2#par34</nowiki>>, retrieved on 2020-03-11.</ref> *'''Decision-makers should prepare thoroughly.''' The ''Code of Conduct for Members of the Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada'' provides that "Members shall make each decision on the merits of the case, based on thorough preparation, the assessment of evidence properly before the member and the application of the relevant law."<ref>Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada, ''Code of Conduct for Members of the Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada,'' Effective Date: April 9, 2019, <<nowiki>https://irb-cisr.gc.ca/en/members/Pages/MemComCode.aspx</nowiki>> (Accessed May 3, 2020), at section 33.</ref> The Federal Court notes that each application for protection deserves the same degree of care.<ref>''Guermache v. Canada (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration),'' 2004 FC 870 (CanLII), at para 4, <https://canlii.ca/t/1j2dt#par4>, retrieved on 2022-10-20.</ref> It also states that determinations should be made with "care and attention".<ref>''Egenti v. Canada (Citizenship and Immigration),'' 2023 FC 639 (CanLII), at para 20, <https://canlii.ca/t/jxd96#par20>, retrieved on 2023-09-06.</ref> For more detail, see: [[Canadian Refugee Procedure/The Board's inquisitorial mandate#The Refugee Protection Division has an inquisitorial mandate]]. *'''Decision-makers should consider all of the evidence before them.''' There exists a presumption in Canadian refugee law that decision-makers have considered all of the evidence before them.<ref>''Cepeda-Gutierrez v. Canada (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration)'', 1998 CanLII 8667 (FC).</ref> The more important the information, particularly where it contradicts a finding being made, the more the requirement that it explicitly be referred to and distinguished in the reasons provided. This requires time. Asylum cases are said to be ‘highly fact intensive and depend upon presentation and consideration of numerous details and documents which can take no small amount of time.<ref>J. Ramji‐Nogales et al. (eds), ''Refugee Roulette'' (2009), p. 125, citing Immigration Litigation Reduction Hearing before the S. Comm. on the Judiciary, 109th Cong. 5–7 (2006) (statement of Hon. John M. Walker, Jr., C.J., US Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit).</ref> Evidence from social psychology studies of judging suggests a relationship between time taken and accuracy: judges with higher caseloads have been found to be more likely to make inaccurate decisions, as they rely less on deliberative reasoning and careful processing of information and more on their gut feeling and intuition.<ref>C. Guthrie et al., ‘Blinking on the Bench: How Judges Decide Cases’ (2007) 93 ''Cornell Law Rev''. 1.</ref> But see: [[Canadian Refugee Procedure/The Board's inquisitorial mandate#The Board should consider the most up-to-date country conditions evidence]]. There is also a presumption that members reach their decisions by relying solely on the evidence before them in the record and that they are able to ignore any other evidence from other files.<ref>''Lopez Aguilar v. Canada (Citizenship and Immigration),'' 2011 FC 908 (CanLII), at para 5, <https://canlii.ca/t/fn552#par5>, retrieved on 2023-11-02.</ref> *'''The Board should endeavour to ensure that parties feel heard through the reasons it offers.''' See: [[Canadian Refugee Procedure/The right to be heard and the right to a fair hearing#Parties are entitled to reasoned decisions]]. *'''Claims should be processed expeditiously.''' For details, see: [[Canadian Refugee Procedure/Principles for the interpretation of refugee procedure#The objectives of this Act with respect to refugees include the establishment of efficient procedures]]. *'''The Board should verify that representatives appearing before the Board are authorized pursuant to the Act and regulations:''' The Federal Court has noted that "there is a duty incumbent upon the Board to verify that those individuals representing clients with whom it has dealings are authorized representatives pursuant to the Regulations, or that they are not receiving a fee for their services."<ref>''Domantay v. Canada (Citizenship and Immigration)'', 2008 FC 755.</ref> The IRB should not knowingly deal with counsel in contravention of section 91 of the IRPA or the requirements of the College of Citizenship and Immigration Consultants. However, in the absence of clearly incompetent representation, this does not extend to placing a duty on the tribunal to interfere in a claimant's choice of counsel by keeping them apprised of complaints made against that counsel that are unrelated to their own claim.<ref>''X (Re),'' 2019 CanLII 129885 (CA IRB) at paras. 14 and 25 to 30. Online: http://canlii.ca/t/j59c6 </ref> See: [[Canadian Refugee Procedure/RPD Rules 3-13 - Information and Documents to be Provided#Counsel may be representatives without fee who are not lawyers, paralegals, or immigration consultants]] and also [[Canadian Refugee Procedure/Principles for the interpretation of refugee procedure#The Act should be construed and applied in a manner that facilitates cooperation between the Government of Canada and non-governmental organizations like the College of Immigration and Citizenship Consultants]]. === Principles about the manner in which the Board is to proceed === The ''Code of Conduct for Members of the Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada'' is based on the <abbr>IRB</abbr>'s dedication to the following values - honesty, good faith, fairness, accountability, dignity, respect, transparency, openness, discretion, cultural sensitivity and loyalty.<ref>Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada, ''Code of Conduct for Members of the Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada,'' Effective Date: April 9, 2019, <https://irb-cisr.gc.ca/en/members/Pages/MemComCode.aspx> (Accessed May 3, 2020), at section 6.</ref> These values should be evinced by all of the Board's conduct and decisions. In particular: *'''Justice must be seen to be done.''' The Board has an institutional responsibility to ensure that the tribunal's adjudication is both actually performed at an optimum level of competency, fairness and objectivity and is perceived to have been so performed.<ref name=":2" /> A tension exists between the imperative to be efficient and work rapidly through multiple cases on the one hand, and the imperative to be considered, deliberative, and just on the other (and to be seen to be so).<ref>Hambly, J. and Gill, N. (2020), Law and Speed: Asylum Appeals and the Techniques and Consequences of Legal Quickening. J. Law Soc., 47: 3-28. doi:10.1111/jols.12220.</ref> The first set of considerations must not undermine respect for the second sort. For example, in one hearing where the Refugee Protection Division had double-booked a Member, who then tried to complete two hearings in the time ordinarily allotted to one, the court commented as follows: "while I find it commendable from an efficiency standpoint that the Member was prepared to deal with both matters, the aura of urgency that pervaded the hearing undermined the process. A reading of the transcript suggests some sense of impatience and concern on the part of the Member about being able to complete the hearing."<ref>''Guylas v. Canada (Citizenship and Immigration),'' 2015 FC 202 (CanLII), para. 39.</ref> *'''Parties can expect consistency and the Board should decide like cases in the same manner.''' The principle of judicial comity provides that judges of the same court should follow earlier decisions rendered by judges of that court, although those earlier decisions are not binding on the judge. The same principle applies to decisions made by members of the same Division of the IRB. For example, the Federal Court holds that a Division's rules apply equally to all parties and there is no basis to hold parties to differing standards in different administrative proceedings.<ref>''Abi-Mansour v Canada (Passport)'', 2015 FC 363, and ''Qita v Immigration Consultants of Canada Regulatory Council'', 2020 FC 671.</ref> For more details about consistency in decision-making, see: [[Canadian Refugee Procedure/The right to be heard and the right to a fair hearing#Decision-making should be predictable and consistent across the Board]]. *'''The Board's procedures should not be restricted to the judicial paradigm.''' The courts have recognized that administrative agencies such as the IRB "are often required to be procedurally innovative in order to handle a heavy caseload effectively and to make the most efficient use of scarce resources."<ref>''Geza v. Canada (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration),'' [2006] FCJ No 477 at para 1 (CA).</ref> The Board’s procedure "should not be confined in a model of due process that draws exclusively on the judicial paradigm and discourages innovation. Nonetheless, procedures designed to increase quality and consistency cannot be adopted at the expense of the duty of each panel to afford to the claimant before it a high degree of impartiality and independence."<ref>''Kozak v. Canada (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration),'' 2006 FCA 124 (CanLII), [2006] 4 FCR 377, para. 56.</ref> For example, the court has held that "A hearing held by the Board should not be turned into a trial. The consequences that attach to these hearings are serious and the measure of procedural fairness must be commensurate. However, it does not reach the level of disclosure found in criminal law, for instance."<ref>''Razburgaj v. Canada (Citizenship and Immigration),'' 2014 FC 151 (CanLII), par. 19, <http://canlii.ca/t/g34tl#par19>, retrieved on 2020-04-01.</ref> *'''Administrative convenience should not override fundamental justice''', which includes procedural fairness.<ref>''Singh v. Canada'', 1985 1 SCR 177.</ref> Asylum adjudication is situated within administrative law structures, where tensions between values such as efficiency and economy are precariously balanced with fairness and justice.<ref>Hambly, J. and Gill, N. (2020), Law and Speed: Asylum Appeals and the Techniques and Consequences of Legal Quickening. J. Law Soc., 47: 3-28. doi:10.1111/jols.12220.</ref> As noted by Lord Dyson in his 2015 decision condemning the so‐called Detained Fast Track (DFT) in the United Kingdom, "justice and fairness should not be sacrificed on the altar of speed and efficiency".<ref>''The Lord Chancellor'' v. ''Detention Action'' [2015] EWCA Civ 840 para. 49. Practical difficulties and complexities of the DFT undermined appellants’ rights to participate fully and effectively in their appeal processes, leading to a finding that the system operated too quickly to be considered lawful, and was ‘systemically unfair and unjust’, as discussed in Hambly, J. and Gill, N. (2020), Law and Speed: Asylum Appeals and the Techniques and Consequences of Legal Quickening. J. Law Soc., 47: 3-28. doi:10.1111/jols.12220.</ref> Instead, as Canada's Federal Court holds, the Board “… is required to strike a balance between expeditious proceedings on the one hand and procedural fairness or natural justice on the other.”<ref>''Pillai v. Canada (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration),'' 2001 FCT 1417, [2002] 3 FC 481.</ref> *'''The rules should not be interpreted in a way that is overly rigid.''' The courts have held that when interpreting the Refugee Protection Division rules, one must "avoid the mire of procedural dogma"<ref>''Andreoli v. Canada (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration),'' 2004 FC 1111 (CanLII), para. 16.</ref> as "procedure should be the servant of justice, not its mistress".<ref>''Hamel v. Brunelle and Labonté,'' 1975 CanLII 1 (SCC), [1977] 1 SCR 147.</ref> Another way of putting this is that rules of procedure are rather servants and "not authoritarian or dictatorial masters".<ref>E. Lauterpacht, Principles of Procedure in International Law, 345 Receuil des Cours 387, 430 (2009). </ref> The Federal Court has stated that "the door should not slam shut on all those who fail to meet ordinary procedural requirements. Such a restrictive reading would undermine Canada’s commitment to its refugee system and underlying international obligations".<ref>''Huseen v. Canada (Citizenship and Immigration),'' 2015 FC 845 (CanLII), par. 16, <<nowiki>http://canlii.ca/t/gkmz2#par16</nowiki>>, retrieved on 2020-03-11.</ref> The court has gone on to note that "the opportunity to free a family from the scourge of persecution should not rest on an overly rigid application of procedural requirements."<ref>''Huseen v. Canada (Citizenship and Immigration),'' 2015 FC 845 (CanLII), par. 17, <<nowiki>http://canlii.ca/t/gkmz2#par17</nowiki>>, retrieved on 2020-03-11.</ref> The tenor of the Rules is that flexibility is needed to guard against form trumping substance and the interests of justice and to guard against decisions not being made on their merits.<ref>''Ahmed v. Canada (Citizenship and Immigration),'' 2018 FC 1157 (CanLII), para. 44.</ref> Refugee applications may be allowed to proceed, despite procedural defects, to ensure that the requirements of natural justice are fulfilled.<ref>''Huseen v Canada (Citizenship and Immigration)'', 2015 FC 845, para. 36.</ref> As the Federal Court held in ''Glowacki v. Canada'', no slip or mistake of counsel should be permitted to bring about a miscarriage of justice.<ref name=":21">''Glowacki v. Canada (Citizenship and Immigration),'' 2021 FC 1453 (CanLII), at para 22, <https://canlii.ca/t/jljcw#par22>, retrieved on 2022-01-06.</ref> This applied with special force during the period of the Covid-19 pandemic: the principle set out in the 2020 ''Refugee Protection Division: Practice Notice on the resumption of in-person hearings'' was that the Board would apply the rules flexibly in light of Covid-19.<ref>Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada, ''Refugee Protection Division: Practice Notice on the resumption of in-person hearings'', June 23, 2020, <https://irb-cisr.gc.ca/en/legal-policy/procedures/Pages/rpd-pn-hearing-resumption.aspx> (Accessed August 1, 2020). This practice notice was revoked following the Covid period on September 9, 2024: <https://irb.gc.ca/en/news/2024/Pages/rpd-pnpi.aspx>.</ref> *'''Claimants are entitled to representation and rules should be relaxed for unrepresented litigants.''' The representation of refugee claimants is described as “an expression of a fundamental constitutional and common law value: that individuals facing complicated legal proceedings with serious consequences should be allowed to be represented so as to ensure that there is a full and fair hearing.”<ref>Martin David Jones and Sasha Baglay. ''Refugee Law (Second Edition)''. Irwin Law, 2017, page 328.</ref> The court has stated that an unrepresented party “is entitled to every possible and reasonable leeway to present a case in its entirety and that strict and technical rules should be relaxed for unrepresented litigants”.<ref>''Soares v. Canada (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration),'' 2007 FC 190, [2007] F.C.J. No. 254 (QL), at para. 22.</ref> The Federal Court has cited the Canadian Judicial Council’s ''Statement of Principles on Self-represented Litigants and Accused Persons'', which holds that the Court’s discretion to assist self-represented litigants does not extend to rectifying substantive legal deficiencies.<ref>''Yu v. Canada (Citizenship and Immigration),'' 2024 FC 1189 (CanLII), at para 14, <https://canlii.ca/t/k61w7#par14>, retrieved on 2024-08-20.</ref> For more detail, see: [[Canadian Refugee Procedure/RPD Rules 14-16 - Counsel of Record#The Board may have a heightened duty of procedural fairness when dealing with self-represented claimants]]. *'''Members should exercise their discretion with a spirit of justice and sensitivity.''' The Board states in its ''Guideline 8'' that all persons appearing before the IRB need to be treated with sensitivity and respect.<ref>Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada, ''Guideline 8 - Concerning Procedures with Respect to Vulnerable Persons Appearing Before the Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada'', Amended: December 15, 2012, <https://irb-cisr.gc.ca/en/legal-policy/policies/Pages/GuideDir08.aspx#a1> (Accessed February 9, 2020), at section 1.5.</ref> Caselaw from the Federal Court also states that the member must at all times be attentive and sensitive to claimants.<ref>''Hernandez v. Canada (Minister of Citizenship & Immigration),'' [2010] F.C.J. No. 199, 2010 FC 179 (F.C.), para. 54.</ref> The Federal Court also indicates that Members are expected to act with "civility and care".<ref>''Khan v. Canada (Citizenship and Immigration),'' 2022 FC 1330 (CanLII), at para 37, <https://canlii.ca/t/js3dw#par37>, retrieved on 2022-10-20.</ref> The following comment from the UNHCR Handbook about how the task of refugee status determination should be approached is instructive: "Since the examiner’s conclusion on the facts of the case and his personal impression of the applicant will lead to a decision that affects human lives, he must apply the criteria in a spirit of justice and understanding and his judgement should not, of course, be influenced by the personal consideration that the applicant may be an ‘undeserving case’."<ref>UN High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR), ''Handbook on Procedures and Criteria for Determining Refugee Status and Guidelines on International Protection Under the 1951 Convention and the 1967 Protocol Relating to the Status of Refugees'', April 2019, HCR/1P/4/ENG/REV. 4, available at: https://www.refworld.org/docid/5cb474b27.html [accessed 26 January 2020], para. 202.</ref> The German Ansbach Court has stated that "in order to comply with the spirit of the Geneva Convention, the provisions of the Convention should be interpreted liberally and with human compassion, and thus generously. [translated]"<ref>R. G. L. Fairweather, ''Canada's New Refugee Determination System'', 27 CAN. Y.B. INT'l L. 295 (1989), page 306.</ref> In the words of Rabbi Plaut's report that led to the founding of the Immigration and Refugee Board, "the refugee determination process must be seen and designed as an act of welcome. It must be forever responsive to our humanitarian impulses and obligations and wary of any encroachment that would seek to impose other considerations and concerns upon it."<ref>W. Gunther Plaut, ''Refugee determination in Canada: A report to the Honourable Flora MacDonald, Minister of Employment and Immigration'', April 1985, Government of Canada publication, page 17.</ref> The Federal Court reflects this when it notes that in refugee claims, the claimant is not in an adversarial position to the state.<ref>''Jaballah (Re),'' 2010 FC 224 (CanLII), [2011] 3 FCR 155, at para 97, <https://canlii.ca/t/28cx7#par97>, retrieved on 2023-11-09.</ref> *'''A panel of the Board must keep an open mind until all of the evidence has been heard.''' Members should always maintain a "judicial temperament".<ref name=":23" /> It is necessary to listen patiently and extend "professional courtesy" to all participants.<ref name=":23" /> As the Federal Court held in ''Ayele v. Canada, "''the essence of adjudication is the ability to keep an open mind until all evidence has been heard. The reliability of evidence is to be determined in the light of all of the evidence in a particular case. This is the reason why an adjudicator must remain open to persuasion until all of the evidence and submissions are received. Evidence, that at first blush may seem implausible, may later appear plausible when set in the context of subsequent evidence."<ref>''Ayele v. Canada (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration)'' (2007), 2007 FC 126, 60 Imm. L. R. (3d) 197 at para. 12.</ref> See: [[Canadian Refugee Procedure/The right to an impartial decision-maker#Statements or conduct that might indicate a predisposition on the part of the decision-maker]]. *'''The Board should interpret submissions and reasons it reviews in a spirit consistent with the principle of charity.''' The Federal Court has indicated that where there is a mistake in a decision that may be excused as a mere slip of the pen, the decision should not be faulted for that reason.<ref>''Aguilar Cedeno, Angel Felipe v. M.C.I.'' (F.C., no. IMM-2360-21), Norris, April 13, 2023; 2023 FC 537.</ref> Minor and typographical errors, for example, do not demonstrate inattention, nor do they show that the decision maker failed to assess the evidence.<ref>''Sing v. Canada (Citizenship and Immigration),'' 2026 FC 105 (CanLII), at para 17, <https://canlii.ca/t/khrm6#par17>, retrieved on 2026-01-28.</ref> The following observation offered with respect to Canadian courts would seem to apply with equal force to the refugee context: reasons offered “are not intended to be, and should not be read, as a verbalization of the entire process engaged in by the trial judge in reaching a verdict”.<ref>''R. v. Kruk,'' 2024 SCC 7 (CanLII), at para 84, <https://canlii.ca/t/k39g6#par84>, retrieved on 2024-03-14.</ref> In the words of the Supreme Court of Canada, the Board's reasons "are not to be read microscopically".<ref>''Boulis v. Minister of Manpower and Immigration,'' 1972 CanLII 4 (SCC), [1974] SCR 875, <https://canlii.ca/t/1nfn8>, retrieved on 2024-05-22, page 885.</ref> The same principle should apply to how the Board interprets submissions and reasons that it is reviewing. Clerical mistakes do occur and they should not be the sole basis for rejecting a claim for asylum.<ref>''Singh v. Canada (Citizenship and Immigration),'' 2023 FC 1611 (CanLII), at para 6, <https://canlii.ca/t/k1xgj#par6>, retrieved on 2024-02-09.</ref> *'''The Board should have strong reasons before attributing dishonesty or malicious intent to a claimant.''' The Federal Court has held that "attributing dishonesty or malicious intent to an applicant is subject to a very high threshold".<ref>''A.B. v. M.C.I.'' (F.C., no. IMM-5967-19), Pamel, April 28, 2020; 2020 FC 562.</ref> In the words of the Federal Court, "Credibility is the most important thing any of us has. It is earned and maintained through our life history, our actions and our words. Losing our credibility affects the very core of our reputation. For persons seeking refugee protection, credibility lies at the very heart of their claim."<ref>''Amiragova v. Canada (Citizenship and Immigration),'' 2008 FC 64 (CanLII), at para 17, <https://canlii.ca/t/1w3f0#par17>, retrieved on 2024-01-09.</ref> *'''Claimants should be given the benefit of the doubt in appropriate circumstances.'''<ref>Nicholas Alexander Rymal Fraser, ''Shared Heuristics: How Organizational Culture Shapes Asylum Policy'', Department of Political Science, University of Toronto (Canada), ProQuest Dissertations Publishing, 2020, <<nowiki>https://search.proquest.com/openview/f925dea72da7d94141f0f559633da65a/1</nowiki>> (Accessed August 1, 2020), at page 91 of PDF.</ref> The Federal Court holds that the Board has a broad discretion to alleviate the burden of proof upon a refugee claimant in appropriate circumstances.<ref>''Uppal v. Canada (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration),'' 2006 FC 1142 (CanLII), par. 16, <https://canlii.ca/t/1pnxv#par16>, retrieved on 2021-07-14.</ref> The <abbr>UNHCR</abbr> ''Handbook on Procedures and Criteria for Determining Refugee Status'' provides that the benefit of the doubt should be granted to the claimant in certain circumstances: "After the applicant has made a genuine effort to substantiate his story there may still be a lack of evidence for some of his statements. As explained above (paragraph 196), it is hardly possible for a refugee to 'prove' every part of his case and, indeed, if this were a requirement the majority of refugees would not be recognized. It is therefore frequently necessary to give the applicant the benefit of the doubt. The benefit of the doubt should, however, only be given when all available evidence has been obtained and checked and when the examiner is satisfied as to the applicant's general credibility. The applicant's statements must be coherent and plausible, and must not run counter to generally known facts."<ref>UN High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR), ''Handbook on Procedures and Criteria for Determining Refugee Status and Guidelines on International Protection Under the 1951 Convention and the 1967 Protocol Relating to the Status of Refugees'', April 2019, HCR/1P/4/ENG/REV. 4, available at: https://www.refworld.org/docid/5cb474b27.html [accessed 26 January 2020].</ref> Canadian law accords with this view, providing that it is not appropriate to apply the benefit of the doubt where the claimant's allegations run contrary to generally known facts or the available evidence.<ref>''Chan <abbr>v.</abbr> <abbr>M.E.I.,</abbr>'' [1995] 3 <abbr>S.C.R.</abbr> 593.</ref><ref>''Noga c Canada (Ministre de la citoyenneté et de l’immigration)'', 2003 CFPI 454 paras 10-12.</ref> Furthermore, the “benefit of the doubt” principle does not apply to speculation.<ref>''Razzaque v. Canada (Citizenship and Immigration),'' 2023 FC 420 (CanLII), at para 19, <https://canlii.ca/t/jwdhz#par19>, retrieved on 2024-03-04.</ref> The words of the Canadian Bar Association, Quebec Section from the mid-1980s are instructive, if not legally binding, on this point: "There are indeed unfounded claims and they will always exist. But one must also recognize that the risk of error on the subject is very great. One should recall how several years ago the statements of Salvadoran and Guatemalan citizens about 'death squads' were believed to exist only in the imagination of the applicants. It will always be like this. Refugee movements come in waves and we must be modest enough to recognize our ignorance about certain new situations and to mistrust ready judgments."<ref>W. Gunther Plaut, ''Refugee determination in Canada: A report to the Honourable Flora MacDonald, Minister of Employment and Immigration'', April 1985, Government of Canada publication, page 106.</ref> *'''The Board will ensure the integrity of the administration of justice.''' The court observes that there is a fundamental need to ensure the integrity of the administration of justice in proceedings, including immigration proceedings.<ref>Mahjoub (Re), 2010 FC 787 (CanLII), <https://canlii.ca/t/2btjw>, para. 51.</ref> See further: [[Canadian Refugee Procedure/Principles for the interpretation of refugee procedure#IRPA Section 3(2)(e) - Fair and efficient procedures that maintain integrity and uphold human rights]]. *'''Members shall conduct hearings in a courteous and respectful manner.''' This is a requirement of the Board’s Code of Conduct for Members.<ref>''Chesnais v. Canada (Attorney General),'' 2025 FC 1564 (CanLII), at para 27, <<nowiki>https://canlii.ca/t/kflh5#par27</nowiki>>, retrieved on 2025-09-28.</ref> For example, the professional reputation of a lawyer as counsel is <q>is of critical importance to the lawyer</q><ref>''Chesnais v. Canada (Attorney General),'' 2025 FC 1564 (CanLII), at para 64, <<nowiki>https://canlii.ca/t/kflh5#par64</nowiki>>, retrieved on 2025-09-28</ref> and may be described as “sacrosanct”;<ref>''Chesnais v. Canada (Attorney General),'' 2025 FC 1564 (CanLII), at para 15, <<nowiki>https://canlii.ca/t/kflh5#par15</nowiki>>, retrieved on 2025-09-28.</ref> Members should not impugn counsel without good reason. === Principles about the expectations that one reasonably has of claimants and refugees === *'''Claimants may be expected to submit asylum claims promptly.''' Article 31 of the Refugee Convention provides that states shall not impose penalties on asylum seekers, but only if they present themselves to authorities without delay: "The Contracting States shall not impose penalties, on account of their illegal entry or presence, on refugees who, coming directly from a territory where their life or freedom was threatened in the sense of article 1, enter or are present in their territory without authorization, provided they present themselves without delay to the authorities and show good cause for their illegal entry or presence."<ref>UN General Assembly, ''Convention relative au statut des réfugiés'', 28 July 1951, available at: https://www.refworld.org/docid/48abd59af.html at Article 31.</ref> Similarly, Canada's Federal Court has noted that claimants may be expected to submit asylum claims promptly: "refugees and asylum-seekers have duties and obligations to respect national laws and measures to maintain public order, including obligations to cooperate with the asylum process, which may include presenting themselves to authorities and submitting asylum claims promptly".<ref name=":7">''Paulos Teddla v. Canada (Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness),'' 2020 FC 1109 (CanLII), par. 26, <http://canlii.ca/t/jc709#par26>.</ref> There is an "onus on a refugee claimant to present their claim, including the evidence in support of it, in a timely and efficient manner."<ref>''Mohammed v. Canada (Citizenship and Immigration),'' 2024 FC 713 (CanLII), at para 29, <https://canlii.ca/t/k4jc6#par29>, retrieved on 2024-07-03.</ref> *'''Claimants will cooperate with the asylum process and supply all pertinent information.''' A claimant must come to a hearing with all of the evidence that he or she is able to offer and believes is necessary to prove the claim.<ref>''Kante, Abdoulaye v. M.E.I.'' (F.C.T.D., no. IMM-2585-93), Nadon, March 23, 1994.</ref> Claimants shall not directly or indirectly misrepresent or withhold material facts relating to a matter relevant to obtaining their decision.<ref>''Immigration and Refugee Protection Act,'' SC 2001, c 27, s 109, <https://canlii.ca/t/7vwq#sec109>, retrieved on 2025-01-03.</ref> The Federal Court holds that a person whose safety is threatened in his or her country of origin and who is seeking the protection of a country of refuge is necessarily keen to comply with the legal framework that has been established for that purpose.<ref>''Barrientos v Canada (Ministre de la Citoyenneté et de l’Immigration)'', 1997 CanLII 5278.</ref> The legally non-binding refugees handbook issued by UNHCR stipulates that the applicant should assist the examiner to the full in establishing the facts of their case and supply all pertinent information concerning themself and their past experience.<ref name=":1">Uçaryılmaz, Talya. (2020). ''The Principle of Good Faith in Public International Law (El principio de buena fe en el Derecho internacional público)''. Estudios de Deusto. 68.43.10.18543/ed-68(1)-2020pp43-59 <https://dialnet.unirioja.es/servlet/articulo?codigo=7483935> (Accessed July 25, 2020), page 13 of the article.</ref> The Federal Court states that "refugees and asylum-seekers have duties and obligations to respect national laws and measures to maintain public order, including obligations to cooperate with the asylum process, which may include presenting themselves to authorities and submitting asylum claims promptly, or complying with procedures to regularize their stay."<ref name=":7" /> There is a duty upon an applicant in immigration proceedings to make sure that their documents are complete and accurate.<ref>''Malhi v. Canada (Citizenship and Immigration),'' 2023 FC 392 (CanLII), at para 19, <<nowiki>https://canlii.ca/t/jwbjd#par19</nowiki>>, retrieved on 2023-06-27.</ref> See the Basis of Claim form instructions: [[Canadian Refugee Procedure/RPD Rules 3-13 - Information and Documents to be Provided#Requirement that the information provided be complete, true and correct]]. Indeed, where the Minister is not participating in a case, rules on ''ex parte'' proceedings may impose special obligations on counsel. For example, the Law Society of BC’s rule states that “In an ''ex parte'' proceeding, a lawyer must act with utmost good faith and inform a tribunal of all material facts, including adverse facts, known to the lawyer that will enable the tribunal to make an informed decision.”<ref name=":24">{{Cite web |title=Chapter 5 – Relationship to the Administration of Justice {{!}} The Law Society of British Columbia |url=https://www.lawsociety.bc.ca/support-and-resources-for-lawyers/act-rules-and-code/code-of-professional-conduct-for-british-columbia/chapter-5-%E2%80%93-relationship-to-the-administration-of/#5.1-2.2 |access-date=2023-05-05 |website=www.lawsociety.bc.ca}}</ref> For details about how this principle takes shape in the RPD Rules, see: [[Canadian Refugee Procedure/RPD Rules 31-43 - Documents#What documents does a party need to provide when?]]. When the Board may draw a negative credibility inference as a result of a failure to provide corroborating information: [[Canadian Refugee Procedure/170 - Proceedings#How should the Division determine whether evidence should be considered credible or trustworthy?]]. *'''Concerns about defects of procedural fairness should be raised by parties at the earliest opportunity.''' The general rule is that a party should raise allegations about procedural fairness at the earliest possible opportunity.<ref>''Mohammadian v Canada (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration)'', 2000 CanLII 17118 (FC), [2000] 3 FC 371, 185 FTR 144.</ref> This relates to the principle of finality in judicial proceedings, which the court states must be given meaningful effect to preserve the integrity and efficiency of adjudication.<ref>''Kaur v. Canada (Citizenship and Immigration),'' 2025 FC 1886 (CanLII), at para 12, <https://canlii.ca/t/kgsqq#par12>, retrieved on 2025-12-13.</ref> For more detail, see: [[Canadian Refugee Procedure/The right to be heard and the right to a fair hearing#Concerns about a lack of procedural fairness should be raised at the earliest practical opportunity]]. *'''Claimants will know and comply with the law.''' The Federal Court holds that in immigration matters, ignorance of the law is not a valid excuse, and a person is presumed to know the law and is bound by it.<ref>''Kaur v. Canada (Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness),'' 2025 CanLII 130168 (FC), at para 11, <https://canlii.ca/t/kh2m8#par11>, retrieved on 2025-12-17.</ref> The Federal Court has stated that "refugees and asylum-seekers have duties and obligations to respect national laws and measures to maintain public order".<ref name=":7" /> This obligation may be read in conjunction with Art. 2 of the Refugee Convention, which provides that, “Every refugee has duties to the country in which he finds himself, which require in particular that he conform to its laws and regulations as well as to measures taken for the maintenance of public order.”<ref name=":1" /> *'''Claimants will be honest.''' The Federal Court has held that in immigration matters, "the jurisprudence is clear that applicants have to provide complete and accurate information.... There is a duty on an applicant to ensure that their submissions are complete and correct".<ref name=":5">''Ahmed v. Canada (Citizenship and Immigration)'', 2020 FC 107, at paragraph 34.</ref> In Canada, a claimant's legal obligations require that a claimant answer truthfully all questions put to them in the refugee claim process<ref>''Singh v. Canada,'' IMM-12081-23, decision dated October 1, 2024, para. 14; ''Paulos Teddla v. Canada (Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness)'', 2020 FC 1109 (CanLII), par. 20, <http://canlii.ca/t/jc709#par20>, retrieved on 2020-12-21.</ref> and to disclose material facts pursuant to the duty of candour that foreign nationals seeking to enter Canada have.<ref>''Yang v. Canada (Citizenship and Immigration),'' 2019 FC 402 (CanLII), par. 40, <https://canlii.ca/t/hzrhk#par40>, retrieved on 2021-04-28.</ref> Applicants have a duty of candour to provide complete, honest and truthful information.<ref>''Goburdhun v Canada (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration)'', 2013 FC 971 at paras 28.</ref> This is specified in s. 16 of the IRPA which stipulates that "A person who makes an application must answer truthfully all questions put to them for the purpose of the examination". Similarly, the IRPA provides at s. 100(1.1) that "the burden of proving that a claim is eligible to be referred to the Refugee Protection Division rests on the claimant, who must answer truthfully all questions put to them". The (legally non-binding) handbook issued by UNHCR stipulates that the applicant should tell the truth.<ref name=":1" /> See also: [[Canadian Refugee Procedure/Information and Documents to be Provided#Requirement that the information provided be complete, true and correct]]. *'''C'''l'''aimants will put their best evidentiary foot forward at their first hearing.''' In ''Tahir v. Canada'', the Federal Court commented about a claimant that "he was required to put his best evidentiary foot forward [at the RPD]. Not having done so, Mr. Tahir could not place better evidence before the RAD."<ref>''Tahir v. Canada (Citizenship and Immigration),'' 2021 FC 1202 (CanLII), at para 23, <https://canlii.ca/t/jkd84#par23>, retrieved on 2022-01-26.</ref> Indeed, absent new evidence on an issue, the Refugee Appeal Division cannot consider a new argument, developed for the first time on appeal.<ref>''Ganiyu v. Canada (Citizenship and Immigration),'' 2022 FC 296 (CanLII), at para 10, <https://canlii.ca/t/jmswk#par10>, retrieved on 2022-04-01.</ref> See also the commentary to RPD Rule 34: [[Canadian Refugee Procedure/Documents#What documents does a party need to provide when?]]. *'''Parties are responsible for their own files.''' The Federal Court has noted that there exists "[abundant case law] to the effect that the applicants are responsible for their files and cannot use their own wrongdoing as a means to justify fatal omissions, procedural though they may be."<ref>''Andreoli v Canada (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration),'' 2004 FC 1111 at para 20.</ref> While "a failure to comply with procedural obligations does not automatically disqualify a claimant from relief on fairness grounds, [] at some point a claimant will be considered the author of their own misfortune."<ref>''Perez v. Canada (Citizenship and Immigration),'' 2020 FC 1171 (CanLII), par. 26, <http://canlii.ca/t/jc9b0#par26>, retrieved on 2021-01-14.</ref> For example, the Federal Court has held that judicial review should not be granted where an applicant “show[ed] little or no interest in what [was] happening to [her] own application”.<ref>''Khan v Canada (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration),'' 2005 FC 833 (“''Khan”)'' at para 29, citing ''Mussa v Canada (Minister of Employment and Immigration),'' [1994] FCJ No 2047 at para 3.</ref> The Federal Court holds that "counsel puts into doubt the well-foundedness of his/her case when counsel does not respect the rules of the [Division]."<ref>''Barrientos, Jorge Enrique Valenzuela v.''  MCI (<abbr>no.</abbr> IMM-2481-96), Noël, June 4, 1997.</ref> Furthermore, it is incumbent on applicants in immigration matters to inform themselves and inquire into any concepts that they do not fully understand in completing their application.<ref>''Kaur v. Canada (Citizenship and Immigration),'' 2024 FC 416 (CanLII), at para 25, <https://canlii.ca/t/k3d36#par25>, retrieved on 2024-03-28.</ref> The court has held that the RPD should not bear responsibility for an Applicant’s failure to corroborate their own story.<ref>''Ibrahim v. Canada (Citizenship and Immigration),'' 2024 FC 497 (CanLII), at para 46, <https://canlii.ca/t/k3trv#par46>, retrieved on 2024-05-03.</ref> *'''Parties should be aware of the information on file.''' The Federal Court holds that applicants must take responsibility to ensure that they understand the written correspondence they receive regarding their refugee claim.<ref>''Sainvry v. Canada (Citizenship and Immigration),'' 2013 FC 468 (CanLII), par. 16, <https://canlii.ca/t/fxbpj#par16>, retrieved on 2021-06-26.</ref> The Board ''Policy on National Documentation Packages in Refugee Determination Proceedings'' states that "the <abbr>RPD</abbr> provides the parties with information as to where the [National Documentation Package] can be found on the Board's website, and it is the parties' responsibility to check the <abbr>IRB</abbr> website for the newest version of the relevant <abbr>NDP</abbr>(s) prior to their hearing."<ref>Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada, ''Policy on National Documentation Packages in Refugee Determination Proceedings,'' Effective date: June 5, 2019, <https://irb-cisr.gc.ca/en/legal-policy/policies/Pages/national-documentation-packages.aspx> (Accessed August 30, 2020).</ref> This is also stated in the ''Important Instructions'' claimants receive when they make their claim: “You should also check the IRB website for the newest version of the NDP prior to your hearing” and is stated in similar terms in the Claimants’ Guide. As such, the Federal Court holds that asylum seekers are presumed to be aware of publicly available documents like the NDP.<ref>''Singh c. Canada (Citoyenneté et Immigration),'' 2025 CF 437 (CanLII), at para 11, <https://canlii.ca/t/k9z4l#par11>, retrieved on 2025-03-28.</ref> *'''Refugees are also responsible for learning about the effects of reavailment:''' In ''Al Balushi v. Canada'', the court concluded that the applicant was responsible for learning about the effect of using her Omani passport.<ref>''Al Balushi v. Canada (Citizenship and Immigration),'' 2025 FC 567 (CanLII), at para 41, <https://canlii.ca/t/kb9kc#par41>, retrieved on 2025-04-17.</ref> *'''Failed claimants should depart immediately:''' It is the policy of the ''Act'' to require immediate departure of those without status, including failed claimants.<ref>''Han v. Canada (Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness),'' 2025 CanLII 78573 (FC), at para 13, <<nowiki>https://canlii.ca/t/kdqwv#par13</nowiki>>, retrieved on 2025-08-13.</ref> *'''Claimants will conduct themselves with sufficient respect for the process:''' It is expected that claimants will conduct themselves with sufficient respect for the process. For example, ''ad personam'' attacks launched against registry staff are unacceptable.<ref>''Nevostruyva v. Canada (Attorney General),'' 2026 FC 9 (CanLII), at para 71, <https://canlii.ca/t/khfqp#par71>, retrieved on 2026-01-13.</ref> === Principles about the expectations that one reasonably has of the Minister === * '''The Minister has a particular duty of candour'''. The Federal Court states that frankness can be expected of the Minister and that the Minister has a duty of candour.<ref>''Oladipupo v. Canada (Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness),'' 2024 FC 921 (CanLII), at paras 36 and 40, <https://canlii.ca/t/k5thz#par36>, retrieved on 2024-08-27.</ref> This will prevent, for example, withholding relevant and exculpatory evidence and misrepresenting its existence.<ref>''Canada (Citizenship and Immigration) v. Shen,'' 2025 FC 756, para. 37.</ref> See further: [[Canadian Refugee Procedure/The right to be heard and the right to a fair hearing#Disclosure rights and obligations for the Minister]]. For the duty of candour that applies to claimants, see the section above. See also the discussion above regarding rules on ''ex parte'' proceedings where the Minister is not participating in a case and how these may impose special obligations on counsel. For example, the Law Society of BC’s rule states that “In an ''ex parte'' proceeding, a lawyer must act with utmost good faith and inform a tribunal of all material facts, including adverse facts, known to the lawyer that will enable the tribunal to make an informed decision.”<ref name=":24" /> * '''The good faith of counsel and immigration officers can be presumed.''' There is a long line of jurisprudence from the Federal Court holding that most immigration officers have no vested interest in the outcome of a claim and their official records and actions can generally be relied upon.<ref>''Saifullah v. Canada (Citizenship and Immigration),'' 2023 FC 1060 (CanLII), at para 35, <https://canlii.ca/t/jzgzf#par35>, retrieved on 2023-09-07.</ref> Similarly, counsel are under professional obligations to act with good faith. For example, the Law Society of Ontario's Rules of Professional Conduct provide that when acting as an advocate, “a lawyer shall represent the client resolutely and honourably within the limits of the law while treating the tribunal with candour, fairness, courtesy, and respect”.<ref>''Anulur v. Canada (Citizenship and Immigration),'' 2023 FC 1070 (CanLII), at para 41, <https://canlii.ca/t/jzgzs#par41>, retrieved on 2023-12-28.</ref> * '''The Minister will protect privacy in any investigations that it undertakes.''' See: [[Canadian Refugee Procedure/166 - Proceedings must be held in the absence of the public#What are uses consistent with the purpose for which information is obtained in the refugee context?]]. * '''Minister’s delegates may be delegated discretion and should not have that discretion fettered.''' The Minister delegates its power to different officers who have different roles in different stages of a file and before different administrative bodies. For example, in ''Uba v. Canada'' the court accepted that a hearing officer’s reasons and opinions consenting to an IAD appeal were not binding on the visa officer ultimately deciding the case. The hearing officer did not, and could not, fetter the discretion of a subsequent administrative decision-maker in charge of deciding the sponsorship application. The ultimate decision to consider all relevant factors, as the case was presented to them, rested with the Officer. Different officers discharging their duties on different matters are not in an authoritative or binding position vis-à-vis each other.<ref>''Uba v. Canada (Citizenship and Immigration),'' 2025 FC 1959 (CanLII), at para 37, <https://canlii.ca/t/kh14p#par37>, retrieved on 2025-12-15.</ref> === Principles about the expectations that one reasonably has of claimant counsel === Practicing law is an honour and a privilege but it comes with significant responsibilities.<ref>''Diakité v. Canada (Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship),'' 2024 FC 170 (CanLII), at para 50, <https://canlii.ca/t/k2p18#par50>, retrieved on 2024-10-01.</ref> Of note: *'''Counsel should be presumed to have acted competently.''' There is a strong presumption that former counsel’s conduct fell within the wide range of reasonable professional assistance.<ref>''Satkunanathan v. Canada (Citizenship and Immigration),'' 2020 FC 470 (CanLII), par. 87, <http://canlii.ca/t/j65bj#par87>, retrieved on 2020-04-17.</ref> While this presumption of competency can be applied, the court cautions that it is inappropriate to make findings on the basis of inferences from the experience and expertise of particular counsel, just as it would be inappropriate for the RPD to ask applicants (or their counsel) about such privileged matters directly.<ref>''Anulur v. Canada (Citizenship and Immigration),'' 2023 FC 1070 (CanLII), at para 34, <https://canlii.ca/t/jzgzs#par34>, retrieved on 2023-12-28.</ref> However, other Federal Court panels have concluded that it is appropriate to consider that an applicant was represented by experienced counsel.<ref>''Mercado v. Canada (Citizenship and Immigration),'' 2010 FC 289 (CanLII), at para 38, <https://canlii.ca/t/2c4vw#par38>, retrieved on 2024-07-01.</ref> Furthermore, it is common in other areas of law to consider this factor, for example in class action law it is expected that the court should assess and consider the competence of the representative plaintiff’s counsel.<ref>''Richard v. The Attorney General of Canada,'' 2024 ONSC 3800 (CanLII), at para 411, <https://canlii.ca/t/k5mx6#par411>, retrieved on 2024-07-09.</ref> *'''Counsel will have explained at least the basic tenets of a refugee claim to their client.''' The Federal Court has held that, "absent contrary evidence, it is reasonable to expect that a legal representative has explained at least the basic tenets of a refugee claim to their client. This includes the obligation to provide acceptable documentation regarding the refugee claim, including as to identity, the onus on the claimant to prove their claim, and the need to put their “best foot forward” to do so."<ref>''Zerihaymanot, Brhane Ghebrihiwet, v. M.C.I.'' (F.C., no. IMM-3077-21), McHaffie, April 26, 2022; 2022 FC 610.</ref> See further: [[Canadian Refugee Procedure/RPD Rules 14-16 - Counsel of Record#1) Incompetence]]. *'''Deficiencies in counsel's conduct are properly attributed to their clients.''' The Federal Court has held that in immigration matters, "the jurisprudence is clear that applicants have to provide complete and accurate information and are bound by the submissions made by those who represent them in the process".<ref name=":5" /> The general rule is that you do not separate counsel's conduct from their client. Counsel is acting as agent for the client and, as harsh as it may be, the client must bear the consequences of having hired poor counsel.<ref>''Jouzichin v Canada (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration)'' (1994), 52 ACWS (3d) 157, 1994 CarswellNat 1592.</ref> This principle is reflected in the instructions in the Basis of Claim form that every claimant receives as part of the claimant process, which note that "If you have counsel, you are responsible for making sure that your counsel meets the deadlines."<ref>Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada, ''Basis of Claim Form'', November 2012 Version <<nowiki>https://irb-cisr.gc.ca/en/forms/Documents/RpdSpr0201_e.pdf</nowiki>>, Appendix page 2.</ref> In most instances, reliance on legal advice will not excuse a failure to submit significant information in support of a claim.<ref>''Shirzad v. Canada (Citizenship and Immigration),'' 2022 FC 89 (CanLII), at para 37, <https://canlii.ca/t/jm412#par37>, retrieved on 2022-07-22.</ref> That said, there are exceptions to this principle where counsel’s conduct falls sufficiently below the standard expected of competent counsel: [[Canadian Refugee Procedure/RPD Rules 14-16 - Counsel of Record#In what contexts will counsel incompetence render a hearing unfair?]]. In exceptional cases, the Court has found an applicant should not be liable for the actions of their representative, however this is only where the applicant acted reasonably or with sufficient due diligence or care.<ref>''Grewal v. Canada (Citizenship and Immigration),'' 2025 FC 1686 (CanLII), at para 9, <https://canlii.ca/t/kftdf#par9>, retrieved on 2025-10-14.</ref> As the Federal Court held in ''Glowacki v. Canada'', no slip or mistake of counsel should be permitted to bring about a miscarriage of justice.<ref name=":21" /> *'''Counsel have a duty of candour and the tribunal should be able to trust and rely on the representations made by them.''' It is said that in court, judges ought to be able to rely on the representations that counsel make as officers of the Court.<ref>''Sachdeva v. Canada (Citizenship and Immigration),'' 2024 FC 1522 (CanLII), at para 34, <https://canlii.ca/t/k71jm#par34>, retrieved on 2024-10-01.</ref> Tribunal members may expect no less of counsel. As the court noted in ''Diakité v Canada,'' our justice system functions in large part because the Court expects to be able to trust and rely on the representations made by officers of the Court.<ref>''Diakité v Canada (Citizenship and Immigration)'', 2024 FC 170 at paragraph 48.</ref> The same may also be said of tribunal members and the reliance they place on the representations made by counsel. While a lawyer shall seek to fearlessly advocate for their client, they must do so honourably, in compliance with the law, and in a manner that complies with their professional obligations. This includes their duty of candour. Counsel must never mislead or attempt to mislead. If counsel has inadvertently done so, then counsel must correct it the moment it comes to their attention. *'''Counsel will retain original and signed documents for the course of a proceeding.''' The IRB ''Practice Notice - Electronic Exchange of Documents Using My Case'' states that "original documents and documents requiring a signature must be kept by the sender until the proceeding has been finalized and at least 30 days after all appeal periods or the period for making an application for leave and judicial review have expired."<ref>Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada, ''Practice Notice - Electronic Exchange of Documents Using My Case,'' Signed on September 12, 2025, <https://irb-cisr.gc.ca/en/legal-policy/procedures/Pages/electronic-exchange-documents-my-case.aspx>.</ref> *'''There is no expectation that the counsel of record will have done all preparatory work themselves.''' A lawyer who signs documents submitted to a decision-maker need not have done all related work themselves; delegation of work to others is commonplace in law firms, usually to professionals with lower rates.<ref>''Dogan v. Canada (Citizenship and Immigration),'' 2025 FC 1829 (CanLII), at para 73, <https://canlii.ca/t/kgj8v#par73>, retrieved on 2025-12-13.</ref> For more detail about the expectations and responsibilities of competent counsel, see: https://en.m.wikibooks.org/wiki/Canadian_Refugee_Procedure/RPD_Rules_14-16_-_Counsel_of_Record#A_hearing_will_be_unfair_where_counsel_incompetence_results_in_a_miscarriage_of_justice. == IRPA ss. 3(2) and 3(3): Interpretation principles as derived from the Act == This section will set out the objectives and application provisions in the Act and then provide commentary on some specific ones. In the words of Sharryn Aiken, et. al., one of the enduring features of Canadian immigration law since the 1976 ''Immigration Act'' has been "a complex and contradictory set of objectives".<ref>Sharryn Aiken, et al, ''Immigration and Refugee Law: Cases, Materials, and Commentary (Third Edition)'', Jan. 1 2020, Emond, ISBN: 1772556319, at page 27.</ref> Those objectives, in so far as they concern refugees, read as follows in the current IRPA:<pre>Objectives — refugees 3... (2) The objectives of this Act with respect to refugees are (a) to recognize that the refugee program is in the first instance about saving lives and offering protection to the displaced and persecuted; (b) to fulfil Canada’s international legal obligations with respect to refugees and affirm Canada’s commitment to international efforts to provide assistance to those in need of resettlement; (c) to grant, as a fundamental expression of Canada’s humanitarian ideals, fair consideration to those who come to Canada claiming persecution; (d) to offer safe haven to persons with a well-founded fear of persecution based on race, religion, nationality, political opinion or membership in a particular social group, as well as those at risk of torture or cruel and unusual treatment or punishment; (e) to establish fair and efficient procedures that will maintain the integrity of the Canadian refugee protection system, while upholding Canada’s respect for the human rights and fundamental freedoms of all human beings; (f) to support the self-sufficiency and the social and economic well-being of refugees by facilitating reunification with their family members in Canada; (g) to protect the health and safety of Canadians and to maintain the security of Canadian society; and (h) to promote international justice and security by denying access to Canadian territory to persons, including refugee claimants, who are security risks or serious criminals. Application (3) This Act is to be construed and applied in a manner that (a) furthers the domestic and international interests of Canada; (b) promotes accountability and transparency by enhancing public awareness of immigration and refugee programs; (c) facilitates cooperation between the Government of Canada, provincial governments, foreign states, international organizations and non-governmental organizations; (d) ensures that decisions taken under this Act are consistent with the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, including its principles of equality and freedom from discrimination and of the equality of English and French as the official languages of Canada; (e) supports the commitment of the Government of Canada to enhance the vitality of the English and French linguistic minority communities in Canada; and (f) complies with international human rights instruments to which Canada is signatory.</pre>The above objectives can be compared to the section of the IRPA that sets out objectives for the immigration (as opposed to humanitarian or refugee) streams:<pre>Objectives — immigration 3... 3 (1) The objectives of this Act with respect to immigration are (a) to permit Canada to pursue the maximum social, cultural and economic benefits of immigration; (b) to enrich and strengthen the social and cultural fabric of Canadian society, while respecting the federal, bilingual and multicultural character of Canada; (b.1) to support and assist the development of minority official languages communities in Canada; (c) to support the development of a strong and prosperous Canadian economy, in which the benefits of immigration are shared across all regions of Canada; (d) to see that families are reunited in Canada; (e) to promote the successful integration of permanent residents into Canada, while recognizing that integration involves mutual obligations for new immigrants and Canadian society; (f) to support, by means of consistent standards and prompt processing, the attainment of immigration goals established by the Government of Canada in consultation with the provinces; (f.1) to maintain, through the establishment of fair and efficient procedures, the integrity of the Canadian immigration system; (g) to facilitate the entry of visitors, students and temporary workers for purposes such as trade, commerce, tourism, international understanding and cultural, educational and scientific activities; (h) to protect public health and safety and to maintain the security of Canadian society; (i) to promote international justice and security by fostering respect for human rights and by denying access to Canadian territory to persons who are criminals or security risks; and (j) to work in cooperation with the provinces to secure better recognition of the foreign credentials of permanent residents and their more rapid integration into society.</pre>There is a statutory interpretation convention to the effect that statements of objectives in legislation serve to constrain executive discretion in implementing the law. In the words of Sharryn Aiken, et. al., however, the objectives of the IRPA "are so plentiful and far-ranging that they arguably serve to support any potential discretionary implementation choice."<ref>Sharryn Aiken, et al, ''Immigration and Refugee Law: Cases, Materials, and Commentary (Third Edition)'', Jan. 1 2020, Emond, ISBN: 1772556319, at page 29.</ref> As such, in Catherine Dauvergne's view, the objectives "are so complex that they can neither guide nor constrain."<ref name=":20">Catherine Dauvergne, Evaluating Canada's New Immigration and Refugee Protection Act in Its Global Context, 2003 41-3 ''Alberta Law Review'' 725, 2003 CanLIIDocs 127, <<nowiki>https://canlii.ca/t/2d8f</nowiki>>, retrieved on 2021-06-25 at page 732.</ref> Shauna Labman writes that the twenty-five separate paragraphs addressing the objectives and application of the act add to the IRPA's "contradictions and confusions".<ref>Shauna Labman, ''Crossing Law’s Border: Canada’s Refugee Resettlement Program,'' 2019, UBC Press: Vancouver, page 43.</ref> Dauvergne writes that these provisions "serve no purpose other than to announce that the government is aware of how thorny an issue immigration is in Canadian politics and to ensure that the law is able to mirror prevailing political views without amendment."<ref name=":20" /> Indeed, the Federal Court has concluded that even if an RPD Rule is non-compliant with one of these objectives, this would not render it ''ultra vires'' of its enabling provision in the Act.<ref>''Uppal v.  Canada (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration),'' 2006 FC 1142 (CanLII), par. 13, <https://canlii.ca/t/1pnxv#par13>, retrieved on 2021-07-14.</ref> That said, the structure of these objectives is indicative of a long-standing principle in Canadian refugee adjudication: the idea that immigration considerations are separate from the principles that govern refugee adjudication. In the words of the Ministerial Guidelines which were issued for the Refugee Status Advisory Committee in 1982, "it is recognized that immigration considerations must not be brought to bear on the application of the refugee definition. The possibility that, if one person is given refugee status, many other might also be entitled to claim refugee status, is not relevant to whether the claimant is a refugee."<ref>Ministerial Guidelines, Refugee Status Advisory Committee (RSAC Feb 20, 1982), as reproduced at https://refuge.journals.yorku.ca/index.php/refuge/article/view/41404/37052</ref> === IRPA Section 3(2)(a) - The refugee program is about saving lives and offering protection === <pre>Objectives — refugees (2) The objectives of this Act with respect to refugees are (a) to recognize that the refugee program is in the first instance about saving lives and offering protection to the displaced and persecuted;</pre> ==== This has been a long-standing provision in the Act ==== This reflects one of the objectives that was inserted into the 1976 Immigration Act, which was “to fulfill Canada’s international legal obligations with respect to refugees and to uphold its humanitarian tradition with respect to the displaced and persecuted.”<ref name=":14">Clare Glassco, ''Before the Sun Comes Up: The Making of Canadian Refugee Policy amidst the Refugee Crisis in Southeast Asia, 1975-1980'', April 1, 2020 <<nowiki>https://heartsoffreedom.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Revised-FINAL-April-3-Before-the-Sun-Comes-Up.pdf</nowiki>> (Accessed April 17, 2020), page 14 of the document.</ref> ==== The refugee program aims to offer protection, including the legal rights specified in the ''Refugee Convention'' ==== Section 3(2)(a) of the IRPA provides that the objectives of this Act with respect to refugees are, ''inter alia'', to recognize that the refugee program is in the first instance about saving lives and offering protection to the displaced and persecuted. The protection envisaged is not just protection from ''refoulement'', but also the suite of positive rights enumerated in the Refugee Convention. In the words of Donald Galloway, Canada’s obligation under the Refugee Convention is not merely the negative duty of not returning a person to a place where they face a risk to their life or their freedom is threatened – the duty found explicitly within Article 33 of the Convention. Canada’s duty also embraces the wider positive duty to recognize the status (and a host of other rights) of individuals who are unable to or are justified in not availing themselves of protection in their country of origin.<ref>Donald Galloway, ''Populism and the failure to acknowledge the human rights of migrants,'' in Dauvergne, C. (ed), ''Research handbook on the law and politics of migration'', April 2021, ISBN: 9781789902259.</ref> The Refugee Convention enumerates a number of core rights that all refugees benefit from, and then additional entitlements may accrue as a function of the nature and duration of the refugee's attachment to the asylum state. The most basic set of rights inhere as soon as a refugee comes under a state’s ''de jure'' or ''de facto'' jurisdiction; a second set applies when he or she enters a state party’s territory; other rights inhere only when the refugee is lawfully within the state’s territory; some when the refugee is lawfully staying there; and a few rights accrue only upon satisfaction of a durable residency requirement.<ref>Hathaway, J. (2005). ''The Rights of Refugees under International Law''. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press. doi:10.1017/CBO9780511614859.</ref> In sum, the rights discussed in the Convention are those that follow: {| class="wikitable" |Within state’s jurisdiction |Art 3: Non discrimination Art 12: Personal status Art 13: Acquisition of movable and immovable property (same as foreigners) Art 16: Access to the courts and legal assistance (same as citizens) Art 20: Rationing access (same as citizens) Art 22(1): Elementary education (same as citizens) Art 22(2): Secondary and tertiary education (same as foreigners) Art 29: Fiscal charges/taxation (same as foreigners) Art 30: Transfer of assets Art 33: Non-refoulement |- |Physical presence |Art 4: Freedom of religion (same as citizens) Art 25: Administrative assistance Art 27: Identity papers Art 31: Freedom from penalisation for illegal entry |- |Lawful presence |Art 18: Self-employment (same as foreigners) Art 26: Freedom of movement (same as foreigners) Art 32: Non expulsion |- |Lawful stay or habitual residence |Art 14: Artistic rights and industrial property (same as citizens) Art 15: Right of association (most favourable treatment accorded to foreigners) Art 17: Wage-earning employment (most favourable treatment accorded to foreigners) Art 19: Liberal professions (same as foreigners) Art 21: Housing (same as foreigners) Art 23: Public relief (same as citizens) Art 24: Labour legislation and social security (same as citizens) Art 28: Travel documents |- |Long-term residence |Art 34: Facilitate naturalisation<ref>Colin Yeo, ''Book review: The Rights of Refugees Under International Law by James Hathaway'', April 15 2021, freemovement.org.uk (blog), <https://www.freemovement.org.uk/book-review-the-rights-of-refugees-under-international-law-by-james-hathaway/> (Accessed April 25, 2021). </ref> |} The big picture rationale behind the inclusion of these rights in the Convention was the objective of preventing refugees from becoming legal non-persons. In the words of the UK House of Lords, "the general purpose of the Convention is to enable the person who no longer has the benefit of protection against persecution for a Convention reason in his own country to turn for protection to the international community."<ref>''Horvath v. Secretary of State for the Home Department,'' [2000] 3 All ER 577 (UK HL, July 6, 2000), per Lord Hope of Craighead.</ref> After the First World War, the academic Alleweldt states, the typical problem of refugees was the lack of any legal status in the state of refuge, which deprived them automatically of many rights and opportunities. Accordingly, the parties to the Convention envisaged, for humanitarian reasons as well as for practical reasons of cooperation, providing refugees with a status which would comprise a key set of their human rights and freedoms.<ref>The 1951 Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees and its 1967 Protocol: A Commentary. Edited by Andreas Zimmermann. Oxford University Press, 2011, 1799 pp. {{#isbn:978-0-19-954251-2}}, ''Preamble 1951 Convention,'' Alleweldt, at p. 232 (paras. 26-27).</ref> In short, the rights guaranteed to recognized refugees by the Convention are intended to provide them with the rights necessary to start life anew.<ref>Haddad, E. (2008). The Refugee in International Society: Between Sovereigns (Cambridge Studies in International Relations). Cambridge: Cambridge University Press. doi:10.1017/CBO9780511491351, page 190.</ref> ==== The fact that the refugee protection is in the first instance about saving lives and offering protection can be contrasted with the goals for the immigration programs provided in the IRPA ==== The court appears to indicate that the fact that Parliament has dictated that the IRPA “is <u>in the first instance</u> about saving lives and offering protection to the displaced and persecuted [emphasis in original decision]” implies this goal's importance and priority.<ref>''Freeman v. Canada (Citizenship and Immigration),'' 2024 FC 1839 (CanLII), at para 72, <https://canlii.ca/t/k7zf1#par72>, retrieved on 2024-12-07.</ref> Section 3(2)(a) of the IRPA provides that the objectives of this Act with respect to refugees are, ''inter alia'', to recognize that the refugee program is in the first instance about saving lives and offering protection to the displaced and persecuted. This can be contrasted with the broader set of objectives for Canada's immigration programs set out in s. 3(3)(1) of the Act, which include the successful integration of immigrants and maximizing immigration's economic benefits for Canada. This contrast should inform interpretations of the Act. While in immigration law, ''writ large'', the desirability of an immigrant (e.g. their work experience, education, fluency in French or English, or youth) is recognized as a proper consideration for how the government may choose to accord status, refugee law, in contrast, provides the framework for individuals who are fleeing persecution to seek safety in which the primary consideration is to be, in the words of s. 3(2)(a) of the IRPA, saving lives and offering protection. In the words of Molly Joeck, "conflating the two is a dangerous exercise".<ref>Molly Joeck, ''Canadian Exclusion Jurisprudence post-Febles'', International Journal of Refugee Law, 17 September 2021; Advance Article, https://doi.org/10.1093/ijrl/eeab034, page 30.</ref> As an example, in ''Canada v. Lin'', the court commented that "it is hard to see how providing the Respondent’s documents to a government known to be repressive without first taking steps to protect the Respondent’s identity would be in line with the objectives of the IRPA [for refugees in s. 3(2) of the Act]".<ref>''Canada (Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness) v. Lin,'' 2011 FC 431 (CanLII), at para 34, <https://canlii.ca/t/fl20r#par34>, retrieved on 2025-10-01.</ref> ==== The fact that the refugee protection is in the first instance about saving lives and offering protection points to the importance of decisions being correct ==== Justice Gauthier, referring to the objectives of the ''IRPA'', in particular "saving lives and offering protection to the displaced and persecuted," held that the RAD is a "safety net that would catch all mistakes made by the RPD, be it on the law or the facts." This required that the RAD's standard of review, applicable both to questions of law and questions of fact, be correctness.<ref>''Canada (Citizenship and Immigration) v. Huruglica'', 2016 FCA 93, at paras. 53, 98, and 103, as cited in Martine Valois and Henri Barbeau, ''The Federal Courts and Immigration and Refugee Law,'' in Martine Valois, et. al., eds., The Federal Court of Appeal and the Federal Court: 50 Years of History, Toronto: Irwin Law, 2021, at page 316.</ref> === IRPA Section 3(2)(b) - Fulfilling Canada’s international legal obligations with respect to refugees === <pre>Objectives — refugees (2) The objectives of this Act with respect to refugees are (b) to fulfil Canada’s international legal obligations with respect to refugees and affirm Canada’s commitment to international efforts to provide assistance to those in need of resettlement;</pre> ==== This has been a long-standing provision in the Act ==== This reflects one of the objectives that was inserted into the 1976 Immigration Act, which was “to fulfill Canada’s international legal obligations with respect to refugees and to uphold its humanitarian tradition with respect to the displaced and persecuted.”<ref name=":14" /> ==== The IRPA should be interpreted in a way that ensures Canada fulfills its international legal obligations with respect to refugees ==== Section 3(2)(b) of the Act specifies that the objectives of the IRPA with respect to refugees are, among other things, to fulfill Canada's international legal obligations with respect to refugees. There is a well-established presumption that, where possible, Canada’s domestic legislation should be interpreted to conform to international law.<ref>''R. v. Hape,'' 2007 SCC 26, [2007] 2 S.C.R. 292 at para. 53.</ref> The Supreme Court of Canada holds that the provisions of the IRPA "cannot be considered in isolation from the international norms which they reflect".<ref>''Suresh v. Canada (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration)'', [2002] 1 SCR 3 (Canada), para. 59.</ref> Section 3(2)(b) of the Act reinforces that, where possible, the provisions of the IRPA should be interpreted in a way that fulfills Canada's obligations pursuant to, ''inter alia'', the ''Refugee Convention''. This is a critical legal constraint on interpretation of the ''IRPA -'' one that Parliament has mandated that immigration adjudicators consider in interpreting the legislation, regardless of whether arguments about international treaties like the ''Refugee Convention'' are explicitly raised by the parties in submissions or not.<ref>''Canada (Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness) v. Canadian Association of Refugee Lawyers'', 2024 FCA 69 (CanLII), at para 52, <https://canlii.ca/t/k419v#par52>, retrieved on 2024-04-16.</ref> See also: [[Canadian Refugee Procedure/Principles for the interpretation of refugee procedure#The Act should be interpreted in a way that is coherent with interpretations by other states party to the Convention]]. ==== The Refugee Convention sets out a number of rights to which refugees are entitled ==== See: [[Canadian Refugee Procedure/Principles for the interpretation of refugee procedure#The refugee program aims to offer protection, including the legal rights specified in the Refugee Convention]]. That said, the Convention is not fully incorporated into Canadian legislation. While the terms of the Convention are largely reflected in the IRPA, there are some differences between the operation of the Convention and the operation of the IRPA.<ref>''Canada (Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness) v. Zaric,'' 2015 FC 837 (CanLII), [2016] 1 FCR 407, at para 18, <https://canlii.ca/t/gk8w0#par18>, retrieved on 2024-03-08.</ref> ==== The ''Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties'' codifies public international law rules of treaty interpretation applicable to the interpretation of the ''Refugee Convention'' ==== The rules of treaty interpretation for discerning the content of Canada's international legal obligations with respect to refugees were codified in the ''Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties''. Arts. 31 and 32 of the ''Vienna Convention'' provide that:<ref name=":13">Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties, 1155 UNTS 331, 23 May 1969 (entry into force: 27 Jan. 1980).</ref> ARTICLE 31: General rule of interpretation 1. A treaty shall be interpreted in good faith in accordance with the ordinary meaning to be given to the terms of the treaty in their context and in the light of its object and purpose. 2. The context for the purpose of the interpretation of a treaty shall comprise, in addition to the text, including its preamble and annexes: (a) any agreement relating to the treaty which was made between all the parties in connection with the conclusion of the treaty; (b) any instrument which was made by one or more parties in connection with the conclusion of the treaty and accepted by the other parties as an instrument related to the treaty. 3. There shall be taken into account, together with the context: (a) any subsequent agreement between the parties regarding the interpretation of the treaty or the application of its provisions; (b) any subsequent practice in the application of the treaty which establishes the agreement of the parties regarding its interpretation; (c) any relevant rules of international law applicable in the relations between the parties. 4. A special meaning shall be given to a term if it is established that the parties so intended. ARTICLE 32: Supplementary means of interpretation 1. Recourse may be had to supplementary means of interpretation, including the preparatory work of the treaty and the circumstances of its conclusion, in order to confirm the meaning resulting from the application of article 31, or to determine the meaning when the interpretation according to article 31: (a) leaves the meaning ambiguous or obscure; or (b) leads to a result which is manifestly absurd or unreasonable. ARTICLE 33: Interpretation of treaties authenticated in two or more languages 1.When a treaty has been authenticated in two or more languages, the text is equally authoritative in each language, unless the treaty provides or the parties agree that, in case of divergence, a particular text shall prevail. 2. A version of the treaty in a language other than one of those in which the text was authenticated shall be considered an authentic text only if the treaty so provides or the parties so agree. 3.The terms of the treaty are presumed to have the same meaning in each authentic text. 4.Except where a particular text prevails in accordance with paragraph 1, when a comparison of the authentic texts discloses a difference of meaning which the application of articles 31 and 32 does not remove, the meaning which best reconciles the texts, having regard to the object and purpose of the treaty, shall be adopted. This said, the ''Vienna Convention'' does not in and of itself apply to the ''Refugee Convention'', given that the ''Vienna Convention'' applies only to treaties which are concluded by states after the ''Vienna Convention'' entered into force on January 27, 1980 (per Article 4 of that Convention)<ref>Leslie Katz, ''The Use of the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties in the Interpretation of the Refugee Convention and the Refugee Protocol,'' CanLII Connects, March 27, 2019, <https://canliiconnects.org/en/commentaries/66071> (Accessed August 28, 2020).</ref> and the Refugee Convention of 1951 and the 1967 Protocol to the Convention predate this. That said, as Hathaway notes,<ref>Hathaway, J. (2005). International law as a source of refugee rights. In ''The Rights of Refugees under International Law'' (pp. 15-74). Cambridge: Cambridge University Press. doi:10.1017/CBO9780511614859.002.</ref> the approach to treaty interpretation codified in the Vienna Convention has been recognized by the International Court of Justice as embodying customary norms of treaty interpretation.<ref>''Kasikili/Seduda Island (Botswana v. Namibia),'' Preliminary Objections, [1996] ICJ Rep 803, at 812.</ref> Those rules are generally regarded as a codification of the public international law rules of treaty interpretation as a matter of general (or customary) international law.<ref>M. Lennard, ‘‘Navigating by the Stars: Interpreting the WTO Agreements,’’ (2002) 5 Journal of International Economic Law 17 (Lennard, ‘‘Navigating by the Stars’’), at 17–18.</ref> As such, Articles 31 to 33 of the Vienna Convention constitute a general expression of the principles of customary international law relating to treaty interpretation.<ref>I. Sinclair, The Vienna Convention and the Law of Treaties (1984) at 153.</ref> In this way, the norms of treaty interpretation embodied in the Vienna Convention are properly considered when interpreting the ''Refugee Convention'', even if its articles do not ''sensu stricto'' apply to the ''Refugee Convention.'' For this reason, in the context of the Refugee Convention, domestic courts in New Zealand,<ref>''Attorney-General v Zaoui and Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security'' [2006] 1 NCLR 289 (Supreme Court of New Zealand) at para. 24</ref> the UK,<ref>''European Roma Rights Centre & Ors, R (on the application of ) v Immigration Officer at Prague Airport & Anor'' [2004] UKHL 55 (UK House of Lords) at para. 18 (per Lord Bingham), at para. 43 (per Lord Steyn), at para. 63 (per Lord Hope).</ref> and Canada<ref>''Pushpanathan v. Canada (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration),'' 1998 CanLII 778 (SCC), [1998] 1 SCR 982, par. 52, <http://canlii.ca/t/1fqs6#par52>, retrieved on 2020-11-28.</ref> have seen fit to apply Arts. 31 and 32 of the VCLT when interpreting the Refugee Convention. ==== Canada must perform its international legal obligations with respect to refugees in good faith ==== Section 3(2)(b) of the Act specifies that the objectives of the IRPA with respect to refugees are, among other things, to fulfill Canada's international legal obligations with respect to refugees. These obligations must be interpreted in good faith.<ref name=":3">The terms of the Refugee Convention are to be interpreted pursuant to the principles set out at arts 31–32 of the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties (adopted 23 May 1969, entered into force 27 January 1980) 1155 UNTS 331, Can TS 1980 No 37 as noted in Joshua Blum, ''When Law Forgets: Coherence and Memory in the Determination of Stateless Palestinian Refugee Claims in Canada,'' International Journal of Refugee Law, eeaa019, https://doi-org.peacepalace.idm.oclc.org/10.1093/ijrl/eeaa019.</ref> This is consistent with Art. 31 of the ''Vienna Convention'', ''supra'', which states that "a treaty shall be interpreted in good faith". It is also consistent with Article 26 of the ''Vienna Convention'', which requires states to perform their international treaty obligations in good faith. In international law, the concept of good faith, or ''bona fides'', is taken to include duties of honesty, loyalty, and reasonableness.<ref>Uçaryılmaz, Talya. (2020). ''The Principle of Good Faith in Public International Law (El principio de buena fe en el Derecho internacional público)''. Estudios de Deusto. 68.43.10.18543/ed-68(1)-2020pp43-59 <<nowiki>https://dialnet.unirioja.es/servlet/articulo?codigo=7483935</nowiki>> (Accessed July 25, 2020), page 15 of the article.</ref> That said, in Britain Lord Bingham has concluded that "there is no want of good faith if a state interprets a treaty as meaning what it says and declines to do anything significantly greater than or different from what it agreed to do."<ref name=":9">''R v. Immigration Officer at Prague Airport, ex parte Roma Rights Centre,'' [2004] UKHL 5, [2005] 2 AC 1 (UK).</ref> Relatedly, Canada's Federal Court has held that "an unduly textual and restrictive interpretation [of the IRPA]" that "would impose a result that is inconsistent with and contrary to the objectives of the IRPA" must be avoided.<ref>''Mwano v. Canada (Citizenship and Immigration),'' 2020 FC 792, para. 23 <https://decisions.fct-cf.gc.ca/fc-cf/decisions/en/item/485650/index.do>.</ref> ==== The ''Refugee Convention'' should be interpreted in good faith in light of its object and purpose ==== Under Art. 31 of the ''Vienna Convention on the Law of the Treaties'', “a treaty shall be interpreted in good faith in accordance with the ordinary meaning to be given to the terms of the treaty in their context and in light of its object and purpose”.<ref name=":6">Tristan Harley, ''Refugee Participation Revisited: The Contributions of Refugees to Early International Refugee Law and Policy'', Refugee Survey Quarterly, 28 November 2020, https://doi.org/10.1093/rsq/hdaa040, at page 4.</ref> This raises the question of what the object and purpose of the ''Refugee Convention'' are. The principal answer that emerges in the jurisprudence relates to the Convention's humanitarian purposes. The UK House of Lords has held that a ‘good faith’ interpretation of the Refugee Convention is one that works to bolster the effectiveness of its protection purpose, and thus seeks a construction consistent with humanitarian aims and not simply a literal linguistic approach.<ref>''Adan v Secretary of State for the Home Department,'' [1999] 1 AC 293.</ref> These humanitarian aims are underscored in the IRPA with the statement at s. 3(2)(d) that "the objectives of this Act with respect to refugees are to grant, as a fundamental expression of Canada’s humanitarian ideals, fair consideration to those who come to Canada claiming persecution". The academic Michelle Foster writes that "one perspective is that the aim of the Refugee Convention is fundamentally to pursue a social and human rights inspired purpose, namely to provide for the international protection of those individuals falling within the refugee definition."<ref>Michelle Foster, "A Human Rights Framework for Interpreting the Refugee Convention" in Michelle Foster, ''International Refugee Law and Socio-Economic Rights: Refugee from Deprivation'' (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2007). </ref> The Supreme Court of Canada has noted the human rights purpose of the ''Refugee Convention'', for example remarking upon its "obvious human rights purpose" in ''Németh v. Canada''.<ref>''Németh v. Canada (Justice),'' 2010 SCC 56 (CanLII), [2010] 3 SCR 281, par. 33, <http://canlii.ca/t/2djll#par33>, retrieved on 2020-12-19.</ref> Similarly, in ''Ezokola v Canada'' the court refers to the "overarching and clear human rights object and purpose [of the ''Refugee Convention'']".<ref>''Ezokola v Canada (Citizenship and Immigration)'', 2013 SCC 40, para. 32.</ref> This is articulated as follows by the Supreme Court of Canada in ''Canada v.'' ''Ward'': the underlying objective of the 1951 Convention is "the international community's commitment to the assurance of basic human rights without discrimination."<ref>''Canada (Attorney-General) v. Ward'', [1993] 2 SCR 689.</ref> That said, the following words of caution from the Australian courts are apposite: "the demands of language and context should not be departed from by invoking the humanitarian objectives of the Convention, without an appreciation of the limits placed by the Convention upon achievement of such objectives."<ref>''Applicant A v. Minister for Immigration and Ethnic Affairs'' (1997) 190 CLR 225 (Australia), 231 (Brennan CJ).</ref> Indeed, Lord Bingham in the UK has emphasized that the 1951 Convention was "a compromise between competing interests, in this case between the need to ensure humane treatment of the victims of oppression on the one hand and the wish of sovereign states to maintain control over those seeking entry to their territory on the other."<ref name=":9" /> Foster suggests that it is possible to reconcile these two approaches by emphasizing that the 1951 Convention's focus is on "the need for co-operation in order adequately to deal with the humanitarian problem".<ref name=":10">Foster, M., ''International Refugee Law and Socio-Economic Rights: Refuge from Deprivation'' (2007), p. 44, as cited in Jane McAdam, ‘Interpretation of the 1951 Convention’ in Andreas Zimmermann (ed), The 1951 Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees and its 1967 Protocol: A Commentary (Oxford University Press 2011) at page 92.</ref> Drawing on Klabbers' view that if a treaty's substantive provisions deal with a particular topic, then it may be surmised that that topic is the treaty's object and purpose, Foster argues that the 1951 Convention's overwhelming purpose is a human rights one. In essence the treaty provides for refugees' rights and entitlements under international law.<ref name=":10" /> ==== The ''Refugee Convention'' does not explicitly prescribe any particular Refugee Status Determination procedure ==== The objectives of this Act include fulfilling Canada's international legal obligations with respect to refugees. How does that relate to refugee procedure? Canada's refugee status determination process reflects Canada's international obligations, including those stemming from the ''Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees'' of 1951. The challenge of refugee status determination is determining who is a “refugee” and, conversely, who is not. As to the process by which this task should be accomplished, neither the treaty nor the statute is of much direct assistance: there are 46 articles in the ''Refugee Convention'' and 22 paragraphs in the ''Statute of the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees'', none of which address the issue of Refugee Status Determination (RSD).<ref>Jones, M., & Houle, F. (2008). Building a Better Refugee Status Determination System. ''Refuge: Canada’s Journal on Refugees'', ''25''(2), 3-11. Retrieved from https://refuge.journals.yorku.ca/index.php/refuge/article/view/26027, page 3.</ref> In the words of the UNHCR’s ''Handbook on Procedures and Criteria'', “the Convention does not indicate what type of procedures are to be adopted for the determination of refugee status.”<ref>Jones, M., & Houle, F. (2008). Building a Better Refugee Status Determination System. ''Refuge: Canada’s Journal on Refugees'', ''25''(2), 3-11. Retrieved from https://refuge.journals.yorku.ca/index.php/refuge/article/view/26027, page 4.</ref> ==== The procedures used by Canada must ensure the effectiveness of the substantive provisions in the ''Refugee Convention'' ==== Section 3(2)(b) of the Act specifies that the objectives of the IRPA with respect to refugees include fulfilling Canada's international legal obligations with respect to refugees. In ratifying the ''Refugee Convention'', Canada has made a number of commitments, the most important of which is arguably the principle of ''non-refoulement'' enshrined in Article 33 of the ''Refugee Convention.'' How do such commitments relate to the procedures Canada selects for refugee status determination? Hofmann and Löhr write that, with respect to the 1951 Convention, it might be stated that the Convention does not necessitate (or prohibit) any specific procedure as such, but obliges states not to introduce procedures which would result in applicants for asylum being denied the rights that Canada undertook to respect when signing the Convention. This flows from the foundational principle of international law ''pacta sunt servanda'', the rule that agreements must be kept,<ref>Uçaryılmaz, Talya. (2020). ''The Principle of Good Faith in Public International Law (El principio de buena fe en el Derecho internacional público)''. Estudios de Deusto. 68.43.10.18543/ed-68(1)-2020pp43-59 <https://dialnet.unirioja.es/servlet/articulo?codigo=7483935> (Accessed July 25, 2020), page 11 of the article.</ref> in this case Canada's agreement to abide by the terms of the Convention. With respect to procedures, international courts have established the principle that a state's procedural rules must ensure the effectiveness of the substantive provisions of its international commitments. This has been held by, among others, the International Court of Justice in the ''LaGrand'' ''(Germany v. United States of America)'' case, where it ruled that the duty incumbent on states to ensure that their international obligations be fully respected implies that domestic procedural law must be construed in such a way as to give full effect to a purposive interpretation of the state's international legal commitments.<ref>ICJ. ''LaGrand'', Judgment, ICJ Reports (2001), pp. 497-498, paras. 89-91.</ref> For example, if a state uses deficient procedures, which lead to prohibited ''refoulement'', the introduction of such procedures constitutes ''per se'' a violation of Article 33 of the Refugee Convention and its prohibition on ''non-refoulement''.<ref>The 1951 Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees and its 1967 Protocol: A Commentary. Edited by Andreas Zimmermann. Oxford University Press, 2011, 1799 pp, £260 hb. {{#isbn:978-0-19-954251-2}}, at p. 1100.</ref> This has implications for the procedures that a state selects; for example, UNHCR states that a consequence of a state’s ''non-refoulement'' obligation is a ‘duty of independent inquiry’.<ref>UNHCR, UNHCR Intervention before the Court of Final Appeal of the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region in the case between C, KMF, BF (Applicants) and Director of Immigration, Secretary for Security (Respondents) (31 January 2013) para 74 http://www.refworld.org/docid/510a74ce2.html accessed 6 January 2019.</ref> Such a duty requires states to identify individuals in need of protection before returning or transferring them to a third country.<ref>Azadeh Dastyari, Daniel Ghezelbash, ''Asylum at Sea: The Legality of Shipboard Refugee Status Determination Procedures'', International Journal of Refugee Law, eez046, https://doi.org/10.1093/ijrl/eez046</ref> ==== The ''Refugee Convention'' should be regarded as a living instrument that evolves to meet contemporary needs ==== States have expressly recognized the Refugee Convention as “the foundation of the international protection regime [with] enduring value and relevance in the twenty-first century”.<ref>“Ministerial Communiqué,” UN Doc. HCR/MIN/COMMS/2011/16, Dec. 8, 2011, at [2], as cited in James C. Hathaway, ''The Rights of Refugees under International Law,'' April 2021, ISBN: 9781108810913, <<nowiki>https://assets.cambridge.org/97811084/95899/excerpt/9781108495899_excerpt.pdf</nowiki>> (Accessed March 6, 2021), at page 9.</ref> The UK House of Lords has concluded that "It is clear that the signatory states intended that the Convention should afford continuing protection for refugees in the changing circumstances of the present and the future world. In our view the Convention has to be regarded as a living instrument."<ref>''Sepet (FC) and Another (FC) v. Secretary of State for the Home Department'', [2003] UKHL 15, United Kingdom: House of Lords (Judicial Committee), 20 March 2003, available at: <nowiki>https://www.refworld.org/cases,GBR_HL,3e92d4a44.html</nowiki> [accessed 26 December 2020].</ref> This is consistent with statements from the Supreme Court of Canada that "international conventions must be interpreted in light of current conditions".<ref>''Suresh v. Canada (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration)'', [2002] 1 SCR 3 (Canada), para. 87.</ref> Indeed, the ''Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties'' delierately does not constrain the meaning of terms in a treaty to their meaning at the time of the treaty's conclusion. A limitation to this effect was deleted from an earlier draft of Art. 31, para. 3(c), of that Convention on the basis that this could restrict the evolution of the law and that, in any event, the correct meaning of the provision would be derived from an "interpretation of the term 'in good faith'".<ref>The 1951 Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees and its 1967 Protocol: A Commentary. Edited by Andreas Zimmermann. Oxford University Press, 2011, 1799 pp. {{#isbn:978-0-19-954251-2}}, at p. 103 (para. 84).</ref> ==== There can only be one true interpretation of the ''Refugee Convention'' ==== See below: [[Canadian Refugee Procedure/Principles for the interpretation of refugee procedure#The Act should be interpreted in a way that is coherent with interpretations by other states party to the Convention]]. ==== Canada does not have a binding legal obligation to accept refugees from abroad for resettlement ==== Section 3(2)(b) of the Act provides that the objectives of this Act with respect to refugees include 1) fulfilling Canada’s international legal obligations with respect to refugees, and 2) affirming Canada’s commitment to international efforts to provide assistance to those in need of resettlement. Resettlement falls into the second category, as opposed to the first, insofar as Canada does not have an international legal obligation to resettle refugees from abroad. When negotiating the ''Refugee Convention'', the international community recognized the importance of burden sharing and prominently placed it in the preamble to the Convention, but burden sharing was not made into a binding legal obligation.<ref>Shauna Labman, ''Crossing Law’s Border: Canada’s Refugee Resettlement Program,'' 2019, UBC Press: Vancouver, page 5.</ref> Indeed, as Hathaway notes, when negotiating the ''Refugee Convention'', governments were emphatic in their rejection of a duty to reach out to refugees located beyond their borders, accepting only the more constrained obligation not to force refugees back to countries in which they might be persecuted.<ref>Hathaway, J. (2005). The Rights of Refugees under International Law. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press. doi:10.1017/CBO9780511614859 at page 161.</ref> Subsequent international efforts to articulate an individual right of asylum at international law have been unsuccessful - for example, the 1967 UN General Assembly Declaration on Territorial Asylum is non-binding and a proposed ''Convention on Territorial Asylum'' never materialized.<ref>Adamu Umaru Shehu, ''Understanding the Legal Rights of Refugee, Migrants, and Asylum Seekers Under International Law'', Journal of Conflict Resolution and Social Issues, Vol 1 No 2 (2021) <http://journal.fudutsinma.edu.ng/index.php/JCORSI/article/viewFile/1824/1275> (Accessed February 13, 2021), pages 40-41.</ref> For more details on burden sharing, see: [[Canadian Refugee Procedure/Principles for the interpretation of refugee procedure#Responsibility sharing and burden sharing between states are fundamental principles of the Refugee Convention]]. === IRPA Section 3(2)(c) - Fair consideration is to be granted to those who come to Canada claiming persecution === <pre>Objectives — refugees (2) The objectives of this Act with respect to refugees are (c) to grant, as a fundamental expression of Canada’s humanitarian ideals, fair consideration to those who come to Canada claiming persecution;</pre> ==== This has been a long-standing provision in the Act ==== This reflects one of the objectives that was inserted into the 1976 Immigration Act, which was “to fulfill Canada’s international legal obligations with respect to refugees and to uphold its humanitarian tradition with respect to the displaced and persecuted.”<ref name=":14" /> This is also reflected in the IRB's mission statement, including its emphasis on the Board acting on behalf of Canadians: "Our mission, on behalf of Canadians, is to make well-reasoned decisions on immigration and refugee matters, efficiently, fairly, and in accordance with the law."<ref name=":23" /> ==== The importance of Board procedures being fair to the public perception of the refugee program ==== In addition to ensuring overall fairness and facilitating the giving of evidence, procedural fairness is also about maintaining the integrity of the refugee determination process in the eyes of the public. For example, stakeholders may come to question the integrity of the system if they observe unfair, biased, stereotyped, arbitrary, or otherwise inappropriate processes that do not provide fair consideration to those who come to Canada and file a claim. As the legal philosopher Patricia Mindus argues, arbitrariness undermines legitimacy and erodes trust in the law in a deep way that is not easy to remedy.<ref>Mindus, P. (2020). Towards a Theory of Arbitrary Law-making in Migration Policy. ''Etikk I Praksis - Nordic Journal of Applied Ethics'', ''14''(2), 9-33. <nowiki>https://doi.org/10.5324.eip.v14i2.3712</nowiki> at page 16.</ref> Ensuring procedural fairness is in this way integral to maintaining the reliability of the hearing and refugee determination process and public support therefor. Part of the Board's role in ensuring that fair consideration is provided to those who come to Canada claiming persecution relates to the nature of the reasons that are offered in their cases. As Thériault argues, "reasons encourage the acceptance of decisions and reinforce confidence in the judicial system. The act of writing reasons helps to ensure that decisions are arrived at rationally and imposes on judges a form of self-discipline. Reasons allow parties to understand why a case was decided a certain way. Reasons allow appeal judges to assess the merits of decisions under review. Reasons are also necessary for the proper development of the common law through the principle of ''stare decisis'', and serve an educational purpose by informing both the legal community and those outside it of the content and evolution of legal rules."<ref>Pierre-André Thériault, ''Settling the Law: An Empirical Assessment of Decision-Making and Judicial Review in Canada's Refugee Resettlement System'', April 2021, Ph.D Thesis, Osgoode Hall Law School, York University, <https://yorkspace.library.yorku.ca/xmlui/bitstream/handle/10315/38504/Theriault_Pierre-Andre_2021_PhD_v2.pdf> (Accessed July 10, 2021), page 332.</ref> ==== This provision relates to the Canadian Bill of Rights provision on principles of fundamental justice ==== Section 3(2)(c) of the IRPA provides that the objectives of this Act with respect to refugees are to grant fair consideration to those who come to Canada claiming persecution. This tracks Section 2(e) of the ''Canadian'' ''Bill of Rights'', which states that no law of Canada shall be construed or applied so as to "abrogate, abridge or infringe or to authorize the abrogation, abridgement or infringement of any of the rights or freedoms herein recognized and declared, and in particular, no law of Canada shall be construed or applied so as to ... (e) deprive a person of the right to a fair hearing in accordance with the principles of fundamental justice for the determination of his rights and obligations."<ref>''Canadian Bill of Rights,'' SC 1960, c 44, s 2, <http://canlii.ca/t/7vnh#sec2>, retrieved on 2020-12-22.</ref> ==== This provision relates to Canada's international obligations ==== Section 3(2)(c) of the IRPA provides that the objectives of this Act with respect to refugees are to grant fair consideration to those who come to Canada claiming persecution. As to the scope of this concept of this "fair consideration", see [[Canadian Refugee Procedure/Principles for the interpretation of refugee procedure#The objectives of this Act with respect to refugees include the establishment of procedures that will uphold Canada's respect for the human rights and fundamental freedoms of all human beings]]. ==== The focus of this provision is on those who are claimants within Canada ==== Section 3(2)(c) of the IRPA provides that the objectives of this Act with respect to refugees are to grant fair consideration to those who come to Canada claiming persecution. This provision can be interpreted as being focused on those who come to Canada claiming protection (asylum seekers) as opposed to those who are abroad (awaiting resettlement) given that resettled refugees do not come to Canada "claiming" protection as their claim has generally been accepted prior to that point. See also: [[Canadian Refugee Procedure/Principles for the interpretation of refugee procedure#Canada does not have a binding legal obligation to accept refugees from abroad for resettlement]]. An alternative interpretation of this phrase could be that "those who come to Canada claiming persecution" uses Canada as an eponym in place of the Government of Canada, as opposed to the territory of the country, though this is arguably a doubtful interpretation of the phrase. === IRPA Section 3(2)(d) - Offering safe haven === <pre>Objectives — refugees (2) The objectives of this Act with respect to refugees are (d) to offer safe haven to persons with a well-founded fear of persecution based on race, religion, nationality, political opinion or membership in a particular social group, as well as those at risk of torture or cruel and unusual treatment or punishment;</pre> ==== The idea that the objectives of the refugee provisions in the Act involve offering safe haven implicitly means that the grant of refugee status involves a judgment of the source country ==== Section 3(2)(d) of the objectives of the Act provides that its objectives with respect to refugees include offering safe haven to specified persons. The idea of offering a safe haven in Canada implicitly involves a judgment that the source country is not providing that safe haven. As Plaut writes, in this way, according refugee status inherently involves passing judgment on the source country: "what is the Geneva Convention but a moral judgement of offending countries' policies? Any time a nation accepts a person as a legitimate refugee it is judging the refugee's country of origin."<ref>W. Gunther Plaut, ''Asylum: A Moral Dilemma'', Westport, Conn.: Praeger, 1995, page 124.</ref> He goes on to write that, "accpeting an individual refugee under the Convention appears to imply that his/her country of origin, by creating refugees on its territory, does not live up to proper international standards."<ref>W. Gunther Plaut, ''Asylum: A Moral Dilemma'', Westport, Conn.: Praeger, 1995, page 140.</ref> ==== The objective of this Act is to offer safe haven to specified persons and this is an enduring commitment unless an asylee's status ceases ==== The objectives of this Act with respect to refugees include offering safe haven to persons with a well-founded fear of persecution for a Convention reason, as well as those at risk of torture or cruel and unusual treatment of punishment. This obligation, which partly tracks the criteria of the ''Refugee Convention'', reflects the fact that the 1951 Convention can be viewed as a third party agreement: a treaty whereby the contracting states take on obligations towards each other for the benefit of a third party, namely the refugees who are, per the terms of the treaty, provided with refugee rights.<ref>The 1951 Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees and its 1967 Protocol: A Commentary. Edited by Andreas Zimmermann. Oxford University Press, 2011, 1799 pp. {{#isbn:978-0-19-954251-2}}, at p. 40 (para. 2).</ref> As Haddad writes, the refugee is someone who has exited their state of origin by crossing an international border and hence has become an issue of concern on the international agenda and a ward of international society.<ref>Haddad, E. (2008). The Refugee in International Society: Between Sovereigns (Cambridge Studies in International Relations). Cambridge: Cambridge University Press. doi:10.1017/CBO9780511491351, page 198.</ref> The "safe haven" that is to be offered to refugees is independent of other types of tenuous immigration status that Canada offers such as permanent residence. An applicant’s asylum status is not affected because their permanent residence status was lost or because their application for permanent residence was refused.<ref>''Gaspard v Canada (Citizenship and Immigration),'' 2010 FC 29, paras. 15-16.</ref> Even where a refugee moves onward from a state which has granted international protection, that state bears ongoing obligations towards the individual, unless their status has ceased.<ref>''Paulos Teddla v. Canada (Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness),'' 2020 FC 1109 (CanLII), par. 21, <http://canlii.ca/t/jc709#par21>, retrieved on 2020-12-21.</ref> Indeed, even those who are granted status as protected persons by the IRB may not meet the criteria to become permanent residents or citizens in Canada: [[Canadian Refugee Procedure/RPD Rules 26-28 - Exclusion, Integrity Issues, Inadmissibility and Ineligibility#Other grounds of inadmissibility in the IRPA do not render claimants ineligible for a refugee hearing, but may nonetheless have consequences even where a claim is accepted]]. That said, it is clear that refugee status ends with the application of the cessation clauses in the Convention.<ref>Brid Ni Ghrainne, ''Internally displaced persons and international refugee law'', in Satvinder S. Juss, ''Research Handbook on International Refugee Law'', 2019. Edward Elgar Publishing: Northampton, Massachusetts, page 34.</ref> For example, Article 1(C)(3) of the Refugee Convention provides that refugee status is terminated upon naturalization, i.e. a situation where a refugee “acquire(s) a new nationality, and enjoys the protection of the country of his new nationality.”<ref>Pierre-André Thériault, ''Settling the Law: An Empirical Assessment of Decision-Making and Judicial Review in Canada's Refugee Resettlement System'', April 2021, Ph.D Thesis, Osgoode Hall Law School, York University, <<nowiki>https://yorkspace.library.yorku.ca/xmlui/bitstream/handle/10315/38504/Theriault_Pierre-Andre_2021_PhD_v2.pdf?sequence=2</nowiki>> (Accessed July 10, 2021), page 38.</ref> Once the criteria in one of the cessation clauses in the Refugee Convention are met, then 'refugeehood' can rightfully be regarded as having ceased. Until then, it may be observed that refugeehood is inherently characterized by a temporal uncertainty; indeed, as Agier notes, that the word ‘refuge’ itself ‘denotes a temporary shelter, while waiting for something better.’<ref>Agier, Michel. 2008. On the Margins of the World: The Refugee Experience Today. Cambridge: Polity Press.</ref> See also the following discussion of the interaction between the cessation clause in the Refugee Convention and the acquisition of Canadian citizenship: [[Canadian Refugee Procedure/RPD Rule 64 - Applications to Vacate or to Cease Refugee Protection#This provision applies even to those who have become Canadian citizens]]. === IRPA Section 3(2)(e) - Fair and efficient procedures that maintain integrity and uphold human rights === <pre>Objectives — refugees (2) The objectives of this Act with respect to refugees are (e) to establish fair and efficient procedures that will maintain the integrity of the Canadian refugee protection system, while upholding Canada’s respect for the human rights and fundamental freedoms of all human beings;</pre> ==== The objectives of this Act with respect to refugees include the establishment of efficient procedures ==== Section 3(2)(e) of the IRPA provides that the objectives of the Act with respect to refugees include the establishment of fair and efficient procedures. Section 162(2) of the IRPA provides that each Division shall deal with all proceedings before it as informally and quickly as the circumstances and the considerations of fairness and natural justice permit; for further discussion of this, see: [[Canadian Refugee Procedure/162 - Board Jurisdiction and Procedure#IRPA Section 162(2) - Obligation to proceed informally and quickly]]. The starting point regarding the position of an alien, at common law, was summa­rized by Lord Denning as follows:<blockquote>At common law no alien has any right to enter this country except by leave of the Crown; and the Crown can refuse leave without giving any reason. If he comes by leave, the Crown can impose such conditions as it thinks fit, as to his length of stay, or otherwise. He has no right whatever to remain here. He is liable to be sent home to his own country at any time if, in the opinion of the Crown, his presence here is not conducive to the public good; and for this purpose, the executive may arrest him and put him on board a ship or aircraft bound for his own country. The position of aliens at common law has since been covered by various regulations; but the principles remain the same.<ref>''R. v. Governor of Pentonville Prison,'' [1973] 2 All E.R. 741 at p. 747, as cited in ''Maslej v. Minister of Manpower and Immigration,'' 1976 CanLII 2309 (FCA), [1977] 1 FC 194, <https://canlii.ca/t/jqtbs>, retrieved on 2023-09-29.</ref> [internal citations omitted]</blockquote>The reality of having largely unstoppable flows of desperate people who do not have a legal right to enter or remain in Canada has been one that the refugee determination system has had to repeatedly contend with. In this way, Hathaway writes when describing the situation that spawned one of the Refugee Convention’s historical antecedents, the credibility of border controls and of the restriction of socioeconomic benefits to nationals is at stake with refugee programs: by legitimating and defining a needs-based exception to the norm of communal closure, refugee law can sustain the protectionist norm. In this way, “so long as the admission of refugees [is] understood to be formally sanctioned by states, their arrival [ceases] to be legally destabilizing.”<ref>Hathaway, J. (2021). The Rights of Refugees under International Law. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press. 2nd Ed. Page 21.</ref> This motivation has a number of implications. The Federal Court of Appeal has stated that “there is compelling public interest, in Canada, in having refugee status determined as soon as is practically possible after a claim is made.”<ref>''Seth v. Canada (Minister of Employment and Immigration),'' [1993] 3 F.C. 348 (C.A.).</ref> As the Canadian Bar Association has submitted, a lack of expeditiousness "leads to legitimate claims languishing in the system and encourages the proliferation of unmeritorious claims."<ref>Shauna Labman, ''Crossing Law’s Border: Canada’s Refugee Resettlement Program,'' 2019, UBC Press: Vancouver, page 48.</ref> The Supreme Court of Canada emphasizes the importance of proportionality when selecting a procedure, as "the best forum for resolving a dispute is not always that with the most painstaking procedure".<ref>''Hryniak v Mauldin'', 2014 SCC 7 (CanLII), [2014] 1 SCR 87, para. 28, as cited in ''Ejere v. Canada (Citizenship and Immigration),'' 2016 FC 749 (CanLII), at para 7, <https://canlii.ca/t/gspj8#par7>, retrieved on 2024-03-23.</ref> The judicial system is a community property and a scarce resource, just like health and educational services; it falls upon the system's decision-makers to ensure the most efficient use of their limited capacity to deal with the applicants who come before them.<ref>''Nevostruyva v. Canada (Attorney General),'' 2026 FC 9 (CanLII), at para 73, <https://canlii.ca/t/khfqp#par73>, retrieved on 2026-01-13.</ref> These goals are reflected in the structures and procedures enshrined in the Act, including: * <u>The control over proceedings that has been granted to decision makers:</u> To increase the efficiency of hearings, procedures were amended following passage of the ''Balanced Refugee Reform Act'' (2010) and the ''Protecting Canada's Immigration System Act'' (2012) to give decision makers greater control over refugee protection proceedings.<ref>Neil Yeates, ''Report of the Independent Review of the Immigration and Refugee Board'', Government of Canada, April 10, 2018, <https://www.canada.ca/content/dam/ircc/migration/ircc/english/pdf/pub/irb-report-en.pdf> (Accessed April 27, 2020), page 13.</ref> The fact that each Division of the IRB is required to deal with all proceedings before it as informally and expeditiously as the circumstances of fairness and natural justice permit supports, for example, the right of a tribunal Member to control the process and not waste time on matters that are irrelevant.<ref>''Canada (Citoyenneté et Immigration) c. Tavares Carrera,'' 2024 CF 1224 (CanLII), au para 13, <https://canlii.ca/t/k64rc#par13>, consulté le 2024-08-19.</ref> See: [[Canadian Refugee Procedure/RPD Rules 44-48 - Witnesses#44(5): In deciding whether to allow a witness to testify, the Division must consider any relevant factors]]. * <u>Ways that duplicative processes have been excised from the Act:</u> The Refugee Appeal Division, when considering issues of efficiency, has observed that an interpretation of the Act which would reduce duplication of work and having an additional, unnecessary, hearing is to be preferred.<ref>''X (Re),'' 2020 CanLII 101305 (CA IRB), par. 70, <http://canlii.ca/t/jc74v#par70>, retrieved on 2020-12-21.</ref> The Federal Court has noted a sympathy "to any argument intended to achieve judicial economy in avoiding unnecessary procedures".<ref>''Singh v. Canada (Citizenship and Immigration),'' 2015 FC 1415 (CanLII), [2016] 3 FCR 248, at paras 32-33, <https://canlii.ca/t/gn1jt#par32>, retrieved on 2024-07-29.</ref> This principle can be seen in the legislative history of section 97 of the Act. Section 97 was introduced with the transition from the ''Immigration Act'' to the IRPA, and in this way expanded the scope of asylum protection to include persons who are at risk of torture and to persons who are at risk of cruel and inhumane treatment upon deportation to their country of nationality or former habitual residence. Rebecca Hamlin writes that there is no evidence to suggest that Parliament considered the introduction of section 97 to be monumental when it discussed IRPA before voting on it in 2002. When the bill was being debated, Minister of Citizenship and Immigration Elinor Caplan assured members of Parliament the IRPA "gives us the ability to streamline our procedures, so that those who are in genuine need of our protection will be welcomed in Canada more quickly and those who are not in need of protection will be able to be removed more quickly. That streamlining is extremely important." Immediately after IRPA went into force, the IRB Legal Services division produced a guide for decision-makers on how to make section 97 decisions; the guide states that these decisions were subsumed under the IRB mandate to avoid the "delays and inconsistencies" of the previous "fragmented" and "multilayered approach". * <u>Fairness requirements to hold a claim in abeyance pending additional evidence:</u> The court has held that fundamental justice requires a tribunal to delay its decision if it knows that, given a reasonable time, an applicant can obtain a crucial document.<ref>''Iqbal, Muhammad v. Canada (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration)'', (F.C.T.D., no. IMM-4207-93), Muldoon, May 7, 1996. Reported: Iqbal v. Canada (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration) (1996), 33 Imm. L.R. (2d) 179 (F.C.T.D.).</ref> See: [[Canadian Refugee Procedure/The right to be heard and the right to a fair hearing#Requests to delay convening a hearing or issuing a decision pending the receipt of new evidence]]. ==== The objectives of this Act with respect to refugees include the establishment of procedures that will maintain the integrity of the Canadian refugee protection system ==== Section 3(2)(e) of the IRPA provides that the objectives of the Act with respect to refugees include the establishment of fair and efficient procedures that will maintain the integrity of the Canadian refugee protection system. The integrity of Canada’s immigration system depends on individuals complying with their legal obligation to be truthful in their dealings with Canadian officials.<ref>''Popov v. Canada (Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness),'' 2025 FC 1815 (CanLII), at para 32, <https://canlii.ca/t/kgfw1#par32>, retrieved on 2025-11-14.</ref> The UN High Commissioner for Human Rights states that "''Because of their vulnerable situation, refugees may face pressures to exaggerate or conceal information about human rights violations they have suffered or witnessed. For example, they may exaggerate problems they have experienced if they believe that they will have a better chance of receiving humanitarian assistance or refugee status.''"<ref>United Nations Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights, ''Manual on human rights monitoring: Chapter 11 (Interviewing),''<<nowiki>https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/Documents/Publications/Chapter11-MHRM.pdf</nowiki>>, page 23.</ref> As Harold Troper notes, a concern that the refugee program must seek to address is the worry that "many of the refugee claimants, including some who successfully made it through the determination process, were not really legitimate refugees but individuals looking for a way around tough Canadian immigration regulations."<ref>Troper, Harold,  "Immigration in Canada". In The Canadian Encyclopedia. Historica Canada. Article published April 22, 2013; Last Edited September 19, 2017. https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/immigration</ref> Indeed, fraudulent applications are said to have "plagued" a number of Canada's immigration programs, and are not simply a concern with the in-Canada asylum system.<ref name=":17">Oakland Ross, "Canada Is Conned into Taking Rebels; Colombians Given Refugee Status; Bogota Arrests 3 Civil Servants," ''Toronto Star'' (8 September 2004), A1, as cited in Shauna Labman, ''Crossing Law’s Border: Canada’s Refugee Resettlement Program,'' 2019, UBC Press: Vancouver, page 139.</ref> For example, under the former source country class in the IRPA for resettlement, the ICRC indicated that individuals used fraudulent referrals allegedly from the ICRC at the Canadian embassy.<ref>Francisco Rico Martinez, "The Future of Colombian Refugees in Canada: Are We Being Equitable?" (2011), 35-36, online: ''Canadian Council for Refugees'' <http://ccrweb.ca/files/ccr_colombia_report_2011.pdf>.</ref> In 2004, a scheme was discovered by Colombian authorities in which substantial bribes were being paid to civil servants employed by the Colombian National Senate for documents identifying individuals as victims of death or abduction threats from either the guerrillas or the paramilitaries. The documents were reportedly used at the Canadian embassy in Bogota to achieve source country class resettlement for at least fifty people.<ref name=":17" /> The Immigration and Refugee Board has stated that one of the challenges that it faces is to ensure that individuals and groups cannot use refugee claims as a means to circumvent our national immigration policies.<ref>Government of Canada, ''Refugee Determination: What it is and how it works'', Pamphlet, 1989, Immigration and Refugee Board, page 3.</ref> When the IRB came into existence, the government programme delivery strategy stated that the removal of non-credible refugee claimants was the law’s "cornerstone".<ref>David Matas, ''Closing the Doors: The Failure of Refugee Protection'', 1989, Summerhill Press, Toronto, {{#isbn:0-920197-81-7}}, page 143.</ref> This necessarily involves a balancing, one which Jennifer Bond and David Wiseman discuss when they write that the procedural framework governing Canada's asylum system contains a number of mechanisms aimed at enabling both flexibility and rigour.<ref>Jennifer Bond & David Wiseman, ''Imperfect Evidence and Uncertain Justice: An Exploratory Study of Access to Justice Issues in Canada's Asylum System,'' 53 U.B.C. L. Rev. 1 (2020), page 19.</ref> These considerations also relate to what the Supreme Court of Canada refers to as the importance of maintaining "the dignity of refugee status".<ref name=":18">''Febles v Canada (Citizenship and Immigration)'', 2014 SCC 68 [2014] 2 FCR 224.</ref> The UNHCR refers to similar considerations when it writes that "to preserve the civilian character of asylum, States...need to assess the situation of arrivals carefully so as to identify armed elements and separate them from the civilian refugee population."<ref>National Documentation Package, Sudan, 28 March 2024, tab 14.8: ​UNHCR Position on Returns to Sudan​. United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees. May 2023.</ref> The Federal Court of Appeal writes that "maintenance of the integrity of the Canadian refugee protection system is a valid purpose to consider, and one which the system requires as a duty to be taken seriously by all concerned."<ref>''Azizi v. Canada (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration)'', 2005 FCA 406.</ref> This said, the court acknowledges that while, in principle the Minister has the duty to uphold the integrity of the Canadian refugee determination system, the manner in which this is done must be tailored to ensure that the claimant’s right to privacy is respected and that his life is not endangered by the disclosure.<ref>''Canada (Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness) v. Lin,'' 2011 FC 431 (CanLII), at para 37, <https://canlii.ca/t/fl20r#par37>, retrieved on 2025-10-01.</ref> Section 3(1)(f.1) of the IRPA provides that the objectives of this Act with respect to immigration are...to maintain, through the establishment of fair and efficient procedures, the integrity of the Canadian immigration system. This is said to be a "sister provision" of s. 3(2)(e).<ref>''Tesfaye v. Canada (Citizenship and Immigration),'' 2024 FC 2040 (CanLII), at para 64, <https://canlii.ca/t/k8d50#par64>, retrieved on 2024-12-17.</ref> Maintaining the integrity of proceedings has been contrasted with the concept of punishment in the jurisprudence: in ''Vukaj v. Canada'', the court held that "punishment is not the legislative purpose of vacation proceedings" and that the purpose of such proceedings is instead the protection of the integrity of the refugee protection system by removing refugee status that was obtained by falsehood.<ref>''Vukaj v. Canada (Citizenship and Immigration),'' 2025 FC 1037 (CanLII), at para 57, <https://canlii.ca/t/kclnn#par57>, retrieved on 2025-07-15.</ref> ==== The objectives of this Act with respect to refugees include the establishment of procedures that will uphold Canada's respect for the human rights and fundamental freedoms of all human beings ==== Section 3(2)(e) of the IRPA provides that the objectives of the Act with respect to refugees are to establish fair and efficient procedures that will maintain the integrity of the Canadian refugee protection system, while upholding Canada's respect for the human rights and fundamental freedoms of all human beings. This can be considered in conjunction with section 3(2)(c) of the IRPA, which provides that the objectives of this Act with respect to refugees are to grant fair consideration to those who come to Canada claiming persecution. As to the scope of this concept of "fair consideration", it should be considered in conjunction with s. 3(3)(f) of the IRPA, which provides that the Act is to be construed and applied in a manner that complies with international human rights instruments to which Canada is signatory. When considering such human rights instruments, regard may not usually be had of the provision of the ''International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights'' that provides individuals with extensive rights relating to a fair trial in the determination of a person's "rights and obligations in a suit at law".<ref name=":15">UN General Assembly, ''International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights'', 16 December 1966, United Nations, Treaty Series, vol. 999, p. 171, available at: https://www.refworld.org/docid/3ae6b3aa0.html [accessed 6 February 2021], Article 14.</ref> Some, such as Macharia-Mokobi, note that this provision may cover refugee status determination procedures.<ref name=":16">E Macharia-Mokobi, J Pfumorodze, ''Advancing refugee protection in Botswana through improved refugee status determination'', African Human Rights Law Journal 13 (1), 01-26, <http://www.scielo.org.za/scielo.php?pid=S1996-20962013000100008&script=sci_arttext&tlng=es> (Accessed February 5, 2021), page 162.</ref> Deportation proceedings do not themselves fall under that article of the ICCPR,<ref>PK v Canada, 1234/03, view of the UN Human Rights Committee, at 7.5.</ref> however the UN Human Rights Committee states that insofar as domestic law entrusts a judicial body (as opposed to a tribunal that is part of the executive) with the task of deciding about expulsions or deportations, the guarantees enshrined in this article of the ICCPR are applicable. Furthermore, all relevant guarantees of article 14 of the ICCPR apply where expulsion takes the form of a penal sanction or where violations of expulsion orders are punished under criminal law.<ref>UN Human Rights Committee, General Comment 32 concerning article 14 of the ICCPR.</ref> As such, for ordinary refugee claims in Canada before the RPD and RAD, article 14 will not be relevant to their determination. This answer could, arguably, be different for vacation or cessation proceedings occasioned as a result of a criminal conviction or where a court of law implicitly determines refugee status as part of proceedings related to the ''Hague'' ''Convention on Civil Aspects of International Child Abduction'': [[Canadian Refugee Procedure/RPD Rule 65 - Abandonment#A claim is not automatically abandoned upon a claimant's departure from Canada]] and [[Canadian Refugee Procedure/RPD Rules 60-61 - Reinstating a Withdrawn Claim or Application#:~:text=A Hague Convention proceeding:]]. Instead, the relevant provision of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights will more often be article 13, which specifically concerns the rights of aliens lawfully in the territory of a State Party:<blockquote> An alien lawfully in the territory of a State Party to the present Covenant may be expelled therefrom only in pursuance of a decision reached in accordance with law and shall, except where compelling reasons of national security otherwise require, be allowed to submit the reasons against his expulsion and to have his case reviewed by, and be represented for the purpose before, the competent authority or a person or persons especially designated by the competent authority.</blockquote>The particular rights of article 13 only protect those aliens who are lawfully in the territory of a State party. This means that national law concerning the requirements for entry and stay must be taken into account in determining the scope of that protection, and that, per the UN Human Rights Committee in its relevant general comment, "illegal entrants and aliens who have stayed longer than the law or their permits allow, in particular, are not covered by [this article's] provisions". However, the UN Human Rights Committee writes in its relevant general comment, if the legality of an alien's entry or stay is in dispute, any decision on this point leading to the alien's expulsion or deportation ought to be taken in accordance with article 13.<ref>UN Human Rights Committee, General Comment 15, para. 9.</ref> This also reflects the preamble to the ''Refugee Convention'', which reads:<blockquote>The High Contracting parties, ... considering that the Charter of the United Nations and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights approved on 10 December 1948 by the General Assembly have affirmed the principle that human beings shall enjoy fundamental rights and freedoms without discrimination ... have agreed as follows: ...<ref name=":4" /></blockquote>This has implications for the procedures that are used and the evidence that is accepted in them. For example, any statement or evidence obtained as a result of torture is not to be relied on as evidence in any proceeding.<ref>''Wong v. Canada (Citizenship and Immigration),'' 2024 FC 862 (CanLII), at para 37, <https://canlii.ca/t/k53vz#par37>, retrieved on 2024-07-18.</ref> In the words of Lord Hoffmann from the UK House of Lords, "The use of torture is dishonourable. It corrupts and degrades the state which uses it and the legal system which accepts it."<ref>''A & Ors v. Secretary of State for the Home Department'', [2005] UKHL 71, at para. 82, as cited in ''Mahjoub (Re)'', 2010 FC 787 (CanLII), <https://canlii.ca/t/2btjw>, at page 4.</ref> As Justice Blanchard writes, "the admission of such evidence is antithetical to and damages the integrity of the judicial proceedings."<ref>''Mahjoub (Re),'' 2010 FC 787 (CanLII), <https://canlii.ca/t/2btjw>, para. 66.</ref> For more information on fair procedures for refugee status determination, see: [[Canadian Refugee Procedure/The right to be heard and the right to a fair hearing]]. === IRPA Section 3(2)(g) - Protecting the health and safety of Canadians and maintaining the security of Canadian society === <pre>Objectives - refugees (2) The objectives of this Act with respect to refugees are ... (g) to protect the health and safety of Canadians and to maintain the security of Canadian society; and </pre> ==== This is worded identically to s. 3(1)(h) of the Act ==== Section 3(1)(h) of the IRPA is worded identically, stating that "the objectives of this Act with respect to immigration are (''h'') to protect the health and safety of Canadians and to maintain the security of Canadian society". That provision was considered in ''Medovarski v Canada'', in which the Supreme Court of Canada noted that "the objectives as expressed in the IRPA indicate an intent to prioritize security":<blockquote>The objectives as expressed in the ''IRPA'' indicate an intent to prioritize security. This objective is given effect by preventing the entry of applicants with criminal records, by removing applicants with such records from Canada, and by emphasizing the obligation of permanent residents to behave lawfully while in Canada. This marks a change from the focus in the predecessor statute, which emphasized the successful integration of applicants more than security: e.g., see s. 3(1)(''i'') of the ''IRPA'' versus s. 3(''j'') of the former Act; s. 3(1)(''e'') of the ''IRPA'' versus s. 3(''d'') of the former Act; s. 3(1)(''h'') of the ''IRPA'' versus s. 3(''i'') of the former Act. Viewed collectively, the objectives of the ''IRPA'' and its provisions concerning permanent residents, communicate a strong desire to treat criminals and security threats less leniently than under the former Act.<ref>''Medovarski v. Canada (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration); Esteban v. Canada (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration),'' 2005 SCC 51 (CanLII), [2005] 2 SCR 539, par. 10, <http://canlii.ca/t/1lpk5#par10>, retrieved on 2020-12-25.</ref></blockquote>This objective is implemented through the grounds of inadmissibility found in ss. 34-42 of the IRPA.<ref>Sharryn Aiken, et al, ''Immigration and Refugee Law: Cases, Materials, and Commentary (Third Edition)'', Jan. 1 2020, Emond, ISBN: 1772556319, at page 408.</ref> Which see: [[Canadian Refugee Procedure/33-43 - Inadmissibility]]. === IRPA Section 3(2)(h) - To promote international justice and security by denying access to Canadian territory to persons, including refugee claimants, who are security risks or serious criminals === <pre>Objectives - refugees (2) The objectives of this Act with respect to refugees are ... (h) to promote international justice and security by denying access to Canadian territory to persons, including refugee claimants, who are security risks or serious criminals. </pre> ==== While the IRPA may use terms similar to that of Canada's Criminal Code, they need not be interpreted identically ==== In ''Rana v. Canada'', the Federal Court commented that:<blockquote>[47] More generally, although broadly speaking both the ''Criminal Code'' and the ''IRPA'' share a concern with public safety and security, they do not “operate in tandem” or function together as parts of a single regulatory scheme, not even with respect to the specific matter of terrorism (cf. ''Bell ExpressVu Limited Partnership v Rex'', 2002 SCC 42 (CanLII) at para 46 [''Bell ExpressVu'']). They do not deal with the same subject matter in the way that is necessary to engage the principle that statutes ''in pari materia'' should be construed together and can be explanatory of one another (cf. Ruth Sullivan, ''Sullivan on the Construction of Statutes'', 6^th ed (Markham: LexisNexis, 2014) at 416-21). As a result, in my view this principle does not justify applying the meaning of “terrorist activity” in the ''Criminal Code'' to the term “terrorism” in section 34(1) of the ''IRPA''. I must, therefore, respectfully disagree with my colleague Justice Brown, who relied on this principle in ''Ali v Canada (Citizenship and Immigration)'', 2017 FC 182 (CanLII) [''Ali''], to import the meaning given to “terrorist activity” in the ''Criminal Code'' into the ''IRPA'' for the purposes of a finding under section 34(1)(f) of the latter (see ''Ali'' at paras 42-44; see also ''Alam'' at paras 26-28)''.''<ref>''Rana v. Canada (Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness),'' 2018 FC 1080, para. 47.</ref></blockquote> ==== The objectives of the Act include promoting international justice and security, and regard may be had to Canada's international obligations thereon ==== The objectives of the Act include promoting international justice and security, and regard may be had to Canada's international obligations on those points. For example, the Federal Court has noted that:<blockquote>Canada has numerous and significant international obligations to combat terrorism, including: ''International Convention for the Suppression of the Financing of Terrorism'', 12 December 1999, UNTS 2178 at 197; ''International Convention for the Suppression of Terrorist Bombings'', 15 December 1997, UNTS 2149 at 256; ''International Convention against the Taking of Hostages'', 17 December 1979 UNTS 1316 at 205; ''Security Council resolution 1373 (2001) [on threats to international peace and security caused by terrorist acts]'' (UNSC, 56th Sess, UN Doc S/RES/1373(2001) SC Res 1373); ''Security Council Resolution 2322 (2016) [on threats to international peace and security caused by terrorist acts],'' UNSC, 2016, S/RES/2322; ''Security Council Resolution 2178 (2014) [on addressing the growing issue of foreign terrorist fighters],'' (UNSC, 69th Sess, UN Doc S/RES/2178 (2014) SC Res 2178)), which form a crucial part of the interpretive context for the ''IRPA'' (''IRPA,'' ss 3(1)(i) and 3(2)(h).<ref>''Talukder v. Canada (Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness),'' 2024 FC 1489 (CanLII), at para 73, <https://canlii.ca/t/k6zb1#par73>, retrieved on 2024-09-24.</ref></blockquote> === IRPA Section 3(3)(b) - This Act is to be applied in a manner that promotes accountability and transparency by enhancing public awareness of immigration and refugee programs === <pre>Application (3) This Act is to be construed and applied in a manner that (b) promotes accountability and transparency by enhancing public awareness of immigration and refugee programs;</pre> ==== It is important that the public perceive the determinations made under the Act as being legitimate ==== Section 3(3)(b) of the Act provides that that it is to be construed and applied in a manner that enhances public awareness of immigration and refugee programs. As the Court held in ''Rezaei'', the Board's stakeholders "include not only the claimants who appear before the Board and its Divisions, but also the Canadian public at large, which is served by effective mechanisms for the application of immigration policy.”<ref>''Rezaei v. Canada'' (''Minister of Citizenship and Immigration''), [2003] 3 FC 421 (TD), para. 70.</ref> The Board must seek to maintain the support of both groups of stakeholders. The Supreme Court of Canada has linked preserving "the integrity and legitimacy of the refugee protection system" to "the necessary public support for [the system's] viability".<ref name=":18" /> Refugee lawyer David Matas speaks to a policy concern related to this when he states that if the public lacks confidence in the refugee determination system “people will eventually give up all hope in the system. ... [T]hose concerned with protecting refugees will adopt extra-legal rather than legal strategies - a Canadian sanctuary movement is possible”.<ref>David Matas and Ilana Simon, ''Closing the Doors: The Failure of Refugee Protection'', Summerhill Press Ltd., Toronto, 1989, {{#isbn:0-920197-81-7}}, page 146.</ref> Refugees pose a problem for the Canadian government quite different from that of other foreigners and it is necessary that decisions on asylum clearly communicate either why an individual should be entitled to stay in Canada or else why they can be returned to their state.<ref>Haddad, E. (2008). The Refugee in International Society: Between Sovereigns (Cambridge Studies in International Relations). Cambridge: Cambridge University Press. doi:10.1017/CBO9780511491351, page 7.</ref> This said, it does not appear to be an objective of the refugee system to denounce foreign states. === IRPA Section 3(3)(c) - This Act is to be applied in a manner that facilitates cooperation between the Government of Canada, provincial governments, foreign states, international organizations, and non-governmental organizations === <pre>Application (3) This Act is to be construed and applied in a manner that (c) facilitates cooperation between the Government of Canada, provincial governments, foreign states, international organizations and non-governmental organizations;</pre> ==== Canada has an obligation to cooperate with the UNHCR and the IRPA should be construed and applied in a manner that facilitates and respects this obligation ==== Section 3(3)(c) of the Act provides that it is to be construed and applied in a manner that facilitates cooperation between the Government of Canada and international organizations. This provision of the Act relates to Canada's international obligations. Opinions and interpretations by the UNHCR are of particular interest because of Article 35 of the ''Refugee Convention'', which provides that member states have an obligation to facilitate the duty of UNHCR in supervising the application of the provisions of the Convention. Article 35 of the Refugee Convention and Article 2(1) of the 1967 Protocol stipulate that “[t]he States Parties to the present Protocol undertake to co-operate with the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees [...] in the exercise of its functions, and shall in particular facilitate its duty of supervising the application of the provisions of the present Protocol”.<ref>United Nations General Assembly. (1967). “Protocol Relating to the Status of Refugees.” United Nations Treaty Series, Volume 606, Page 267.</ref> Furthermore, the preamble to the ''Refugee Convention'' reads:<blockquote>The High Contracting parties, ... noting that the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees is charged with the task of supervising international conventions providing for the protection of refugees, and recognizing that the effective co-ordination of measures taken to deal with this problem will depend upon the co-operation of States with the High Commissioner, ... have agreed as follows: ...<ref name=":4">UNHCR, ''Convention and Protocol Relating to the Status of Refugees,'' Document dated December 2010 <https://www.unhcr.org/3b66c2aa10> (Accessed August 30, 2020), at page 13 of the document.</ref></blockquote>Furthermore, UNHCR is entrusted by the United Nations General Assembly with supervision of the interpretation and application of the Refugee Convention.<ref>See the Statute of the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees, annexed to UN General Assembly Resolution 428(V), 14 December 1950.</ref> As such, statements emanating from the UNHCR, such as those in its handbook, are considered highly influential in how refugee adjudication should be approached, even if its clauses are not, in and of themselves, law in Canada.<ref>''Canadian Council for Refugees v R,'' 2007 FC 1262 (CanLII), [2008] 3 FCR 606, par. 208, <http://canlii.ca/t/1tz0l#par208>, retrieved on 2020-03-22 (decision overturned at the Federal Court of Appeal on other grounds).</ref> The Federal Court of Appeal noted as much in ''Rahaman v. Canada'', holding:<blockquote>in Article 35 of the Geneva Convention the signatory states undertake to co-operate with the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) in the performance of its functions and, in particular, to facilitate the discharge of its duty of supervising the application of the Convention. Accordingly, considerable weight should be given to recommendations of the Executive Committee of the High Commissioner's Programme on issues relating to refugee determination and protection that are designed to go some way to fill the procedural void in the Convention itself.<ref>''Rahaman v. Minister of Citizenship and Immigration,'' 2002 ACWSJ Lexis 1026 (Can. FCA, Mar. 1, 2002), per. Evan’s J.A.</ref></blockquote>The Federal Court has phrased the persuasiveness of UNHCR guidelines this way: while the guidelines are not binding, determinations must be consistent with them because the guidelines were made pursuant to an international instrument to which Canada is a signatory.<ref>''Mina v. Canada (Citizenship and Immigration),'' 2025 FC 1909 (CanLII), at para 14, <https://canlii.ca/t/kgsqm#par14>, retrieved on 2025-12-03.</ref> See also: [[Canadian Refugee Procedure/Principles for the interpretation of refugee procedure#IRPA Section 3(3)(f) - The Act is to be construed and applied in a manner that complies with international human rights instruments to which Canada is signatory]]. This holding is consistent with caselaw in Britain that UNHCR’s guidance concerning the interpretation and application of the Refugee Convention “should be accorded considerable weight”.<ref>''Al-Sirri v Secretary of State for the Home Department,'' [2012] UKSC 54; [2013] 1 AC 745, para 36.</ref> The UK Supreme Court has held that “the accumulated and unrivalled expertise of this organisation, its experience in working with governments throughout the world, the development, promotion and enforcement of procedures of high standard and consistent decision-making in the field of refugee status determinations must invest its decisions with considerable authority”.<ref>''IA (Iran) v Secretary of State for the Home Department,'' [2014] UKSC 6; [2014] 1 WLR 384, para 44.</ref> That said, there is no requirement that panels of the Board expressly mention UNHCR guidelines in their reasons.<ref>''Singh v. Canada (Citizenship and Immigration),'' 2021 FC 1410 (CanLII), at para 34, <https://canlii.ca/t/jlcdb#par34>, retrieved on 2022-08-02.</ref> Furthermore, the UNHCR's supervisory role does not include a mandate to provide an authoritative interpretation of the Refugee Convention.<ref name=":11">Jane McAdam, ‘Interpretation of the 1951 Convention’ in Andreas Zimmermann (ed), The 1951 Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees and its 1967 Protocol: A Commentary (Oxford University Press 2011) at page 79.</ref> Accordingly, the UNHCR can only issue ''guidance'' on the Convention's interpretation. In the words of the Federal Court of Appeal from ''Jayasekara v Canada'', UNHCR’s statements "cannot override the functions of the Court in determining the words of the Convention."<ref>''Jayasekara v Canada (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration)'', 2008 FCA 404, at para. 39.</ref> Furthermore, there are also a multitude of pronouncements emanating from the UNHCR, with different levels of persuasiveness. Specifically, English jurisprudence holds that pronouncements of the UNHCR Executive Committee have been held to warrant greater weight than publications merely penned by UNHCR staff, such as the “Guidelines on International Protection” issued by the UNHCR’s Department of International Protection.<ref>''Secretary of State for the Home Department v. MA (Somalia),'' [2018] EWCA Civ 994 (Eng. CA, May 2, 2018).</ref> That said, even the UNHCR Executive Committee Conclusions are not binding on States, even if they may be instructive in interpreting and applying the 1951 Convention.<ref name=":11" /> ==== Responsibility sharing and burden sharing between states are fundamental principles of the ''Refugee Convention'' ==== Section 3(3)(c) of the Act provides that this statute is to be construed and applied in a manner that facilitates cooperation between the Government of Canada and foreign states. This provision reflects the importance of "burden sharing" and "responsibility sharing" in the refugee regime. It is said that the Refugee Convention is based on two principles: ''non-refoulement'', the rule that asylum seekers cannot be turned away or forced to return to their countries of origin; and ''responsibility sharing'', the idea that member nations should share the costs, labour, and risks of refugee aid.<ref>Mai-Linh K. Hong (2020) ''Navigating the Global Refugee Regime: Law, Myth, Story'', Amerasia Journal, DOI: 10.1080/00447471.2020.1776571, page 3.</ref> While the first principle is explicitly outlined in the operative clauses of the Convention, the second is implicit in the preamble to the ''Refugee Convention'', which reads:<ref>Srobana Bhattacharya, Bidisha Biswas, ''International Norms of Asylum and Burden-Sharing: A Case Study of Bangladesh and the Rohingya Refugee Population'', Journal of Refugee Studies, 22 December 2020, https://doi-org.ezproxy.library.yorku.ca/10.1093/jrs/feaa122 at page 3.</ref><blockquote>The High Contracting parties, ... considering that the grant of asylum may place unduly heavy burdens on certain countries, and that a satisfactory solution of a problem of which the United Nations has recognized the international scope and nature cannot therefore be achieved without international co-operation, ... have agreed as follows: ...<ref name=":4" /></blockquote>James Hathaway writes in ''The Law of Refugee Status'' that burden sharing was historically one of the core motivations for the ''Refugee Convention'': <blockquote>... the majority of the states that drafted the Convention sought to create a rights regime conducive to the redistribution of the post-war refugee burden from European shoulders. The Europeans complained that they had been forced to cope with the bulk of the human displacement caused by the Second World War, and that the time had come for all members of the United Nations to contribute to the resettlement of both the remaining war refugees and the influx of refugees from the Soviet bloc. Refugees would be more inclined to move beyond Europe if there were guarantees that their traditional expectations in terms of rights and benefits would be respected abroad. The Convention, then, was designed to create secure conditions such as would facilitate the sharing of the European refugee burden.<ref>James C Hathaway, ''The Law of Refugee Status'', Markham, Ont: Butterworths, 1991, at 6-11.</ref></blockquote>As such, in the words of a Senate of Canada report on point, responsibility sharing is a critical aspect of the global refugee regime.<ref>Senate of Canada, ''Ripped from Home: The Global Crisis of Forced Displacement,'' December 2024, <https://sencanada.ca/content/sen/committee/441/RIDR/Reports/GlobalForcedDisplacement_e.pdf>, page 58.</ref> Today, most refugees reside not in Europe, but in low-income states; the world’s six richest countries host under 10% of the world’s refugee population, while 80% of the world’s refugee population live in countries neighbouring their own.<ref>Srobana Bhattacharya, Bidisha Biswas, ''International Norms of Asylum and Burden-Sharing: A Case Study of Bangladesh and the Rohingya Refugee Population'', Journal of Refugee Studies, 22 December 2020, https://doi-org.ezproxy.library.yorku.ca/10.1093/jrs/feaa122 at page 4.</ref> The majority of these countries are low-income ones, with significant resource and governance challenges of their own.<ref>Srobana Bhattacharya, Bidisha Biswas, ''International Norms of Asylum and Burden-Sharing: A Case Study of Bangladesh and the Rohingya Refugee Population'', Journal of Refugee Studies, 22 December 2020, https://doi-org.ezproxy.library.yorku.ca/10.1093/jrs/feaa122 at page 2.</ref> As an example, Canada has welcomed 1,088,015 refugees since 1980<ref>UNHCR Canada, ''Refugees in Canada'', Data to 2017 <https://www.unhcr.ca/in-canada/refugees-in-canada/> (Accessed December 26, 2020). </ref> through both the resettlement and in-Canada asylum processes. Between 1979 and 2018, a total of 707,421 refugees were resettled to Canada, including 313,401 refugees who came through the private sponsorship program, 385,014 through the Government-Assisted Refugee program, and 9,006 through the Blended Visa Office Referred (BVOR) program.<ref>Pierre-André Thériault, ''Settling the Law: An Empirical Assessment of Decision-Making and Judicial Review in Canada's Refugee Resettlement System'', April 2021, Ph.D Thesis, Osgoode Hall Law School, York University, <https://yorkspace.library.yorku.ca/xmlui/bitstream/handle/10315/38504/Theriault_Pierre-Andre_2021_PhD_v2.pdf> (Accessed July 10, 2021), page 155.</ref> The remainder came through the in-Canada asylum system. All together, these refugee numbers represent about 3% of the current Canadian population. In comparison, Jordan today hosts refugees equivalent to 9% of its current population and Lebanon hosts refugees equivalent to more than 20% of its current population, all with substantially fewer financial resources than Canada has.<ref>World Bank, ''Refugee population by country or territory of asylum,'' 2019 <https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SM.POP.REFG> (Accessed December 26, 2020).</ref> Responsibility sharing, as a concept, has been said to refer to the 'sharing' of people, while burden sharing refers to the sharing of financial resources and other costs related to refugees.<ref>Julian M. Lehmann, A''t the crossroads: The 1951 Geneva Convention today'', in Satvinder S. Juss, ''Research Handbook on International Refugee Law'', 2019. Edward Elgar Publishing: Northampton, Massachusetts, page 9.</ref> These principles have a number of implications. First, it is to this end that the UNHCR Executive Committee has encouraged states to continue to promote, where relevant, regional initiatives for refugee protection and durable solutions.<ref>UNHCR Executive Committee Conclusion N° 81(k), 1997.</ref> The Federal Court has noted that "in principle, international refugee law does not confer upon refugees the right to choose their country of asylum".<ref>''Paulos Teddla v. Canada (Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness),'' 2020 FC 1109 (CanLII), at para 26, <https://canlii.ca/t/jc709#par26>.</ref> The Federal Court also notes that international refugee law "does not authorize their irregular movement between successive countries solely in order to benefit from more favourable conditions."<ref name=":7" /> The Federal Court has also cited with approval the UNHCR document ''Guidance on Responding to Irregular Onward Movement of Refugees and Asylum-seekers'' (2019) which includes a related discussion.<ref name=":7" /> One manifestation of this principle in the IRPA is through the responsibility sharing arrangement between the "Five Eyes" countries established by s. 101(c.1) of the Act: [[Canadian Refugee Procedure/100-102 - Examination of Eligibility to Refer Claim]]. All this said, under international law refugees are under no obligation to apply for asylum in any particular state at any specific stage of their flight from danger.<ref>Idil Atak, Zainab Abu Alrob, Claire Ellis, Expanding refugee ineligibility: Canada’s response to secondary refugee movements, Journal of Refugee Studies, 14 December 2020, <nowiki>https://doi-org.ezproxy.library.yorku.ca/10.1093/jrs/feaa103</nowiki> at page 13.</ref> Indeed, the 1951 Convention at the time of its adoption was seen as an instrument of responsibility sharing and, to this end, binding obligations upon states were considered a requirement for effective international cooperation, as well as more equal commitments and sharing of responsibility with regard to refugee problems.<ref>The 1951 Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees and its 1967 Protocol: A Commentary. Edited by Andreas Zimmermann. Oxford University Press, 2011, 1799 pp, £260 hb. {{#isbn:978-0-19-954251-2}}, at p. 40 (para. 1).</ref> In this way, in-country asylum systems have come to be seen as durable methods of responsibility sharing. Shauna Labman writes about the comparative "fragility and vulnerability" of state resettlement programs in contrast to asylum when she notes the fact that politicians have more control over resettlement levels than they do asylum numbers, and in fact resettlement programs can simply disappear.<ref>Shauna Labman, ''Crossing Law’s Border: Canada’s Refugee Resettlement Program,'' 2019, UBC Press: Vancouver, page 46.</ref> See also: [[Canadian Refugee Procedure/Principles for the interpretation of refugee procedure#Canada does not have a binding legal obligation to accept refugees from abroad for resettlement]]. In contrast, the “non-refoulement” rule has been called "the only binding principle for allocating refugee responsibilities in international law".<ref>Philipp Lutz, Anna Stünzi, Stefan Manser-Egli, ''Responsibility-Sharing in Refugee Protection: Lessons from Climate Governance'', International Studies Quarterly, 25 February 2021, https://doi.org/10.1093/isq/sqab016</ref> While the phrase “asylum shopping” is sometimes used, the Federal Court has noted that this is "not a legal concept and there is no definition of it in international law. ... In practice the phenomenon, to the extent that it exists, rarely involves a choice between competing asylum systems but consists of an attempt by a person fearing serious harm to select the least uncertain among uncertain options."<ref>''Freeman v. Canada (Citizenship and Immigration),'' 2024 FC 1839 (CanLII), at para 62, <https://canlii.ca/t/k7zf1#par62>, retrieved on 2024-12-07.</ref> ==== States should do everything in their power to prevent the problem of refugees from becoming a cause of tension between states ==== Section 3(3)(c) of the Act provides that it is to be construed and applied in a manner that facilitates cooperation between the Government of Canada and foreign states. This provision can be seen to reflect the preamble to the ''Refugee Convention'', which reads:<blockquote>The High Contracting parties, ... expressing the wish that all States, recognizing the social and humanitarian nature of the problem of refugees, will do everything within their power to prevent this problem from becoming a cause of tension between States, ... have agreed as follows: ...<ref name=":4" /></blockquote>Relatedly, in 1967, the UN General Assembly adopted a ''Declaration on Territorial Asylum'' directed toward States. The Declaration states that granting asylum is a peaceful and humanitarian act that cannot be regarded as unfriendly by any other State.<ref>UNHCR and Inter-Parliamentary Union, ''Refugee Protection: A Guide to International Refugee Law'', <https://www.academia.edu/36070452/REFUGEE_PROTECTION_A_Guide_to_International_Refugee_Law?email_work_card=view-paper> (Accessed December 13, 2020), page 15.</ref> Indeed, the modern refugee regime can be seen as one institution that supports the stability of states and their borders in that it provides a mechanism for individuals to be recognized after they cross a border and arguably may thereby reduce calls for borders to be reconfigured to reflect shifting ethnic or political differences.<ref>Haddad, E. (2008). The Refugee in International Society: Between Sovereigns (Cambridge Studies in International Relations). Cambridge: Cambridge University Press. doi:10.1017/CBO9780511491351, page 137.</ref> ==== The Act should be interpreted in a way that prevents the possibility of “refugees in orbit” ==== Section 3(3)(c) of the Act provides that this statute is to be construed and applied in a manner that facilitates cooperation between the Government of Canada and foreign states. Canada’s Senate, in amending relevant bills, has been said to have tried to ensure that the safe third country provisions in the IRPA do not result in “refugees in orbit”, refugees forced to travel from country to country in search of protection.<ref>David Matas with Ilana Simon, Closing the Doors: The Failure of Refugee Protection, Summerhill Press Ltd., Toronto, 1989, {{#isbn:0-920197-81-7}}, page 161.</ref> There are different definitions of what this term means. The classic "refugees in orbit" were the Jews of antiquity, being admitted to many states on a temporary basis, but securing permanent residence in none. In Rabbi W. Gunther Plaut's words, Christian Europe dubbed them "the wandering Jew" and treated them in accordance with what such otherness implied:<blockquote> Wanderers seemed to be a natural part of the human landscape; they arrived, stayed and often departed. As long as they were "other" and not allowed to integrate, they presented no political danger. They were simply there to be utilized, and could be discarded when they were of no further use. They had no right to permanent settlement and in a sense remained "refugees in orbit".<ref>W. Gunther Plaut, ''Asylum: A Moral Dilemma'', Westport, Conn.: Praeger, 1995, pages 44-45.</ref></blockquote> In this way, refugees in orbit may be those who have been displaced and moving - some constantly, some intermittently - for years, even decades or generations.<ref>Siobhán McGuirk, Adrienne Pine, eds., ''Asylum for Sale: Profit and Protest in the Migration Industry'', PM Press: 2020, ISBN: 9781629637822, page 2.</ref> Audrey Macklin provides a more contemporary example of the "refugees in orbit" concept, stating that a “refugee in orbit” situation is constituted when:<blockquote>Country A designates country B as a safe third country, thereby entitling country A to refuse to adjudicate the claim of an asylum seeker who arrived in country A via country B. However, in the absence of a readmission agreement, country B may refuse to re-admit the asylum seeker, and send the person to country C, who may in turn bounce the person concerned to country D, and so on.<ref>Audrey Macklin, “Disappearing Refugees: Reflections on the Canada-US Safe Third Country Agreement” (2005) 36 Colum HRL Rev 365 at 373-74.</ref></blockquote>The phrase and concept of refugees "in orbit" was a common one when the Safe Third Country Agreement provisions were being enacted in Canada's immigration legislation in the 1980s. Specifically, the Standing Senate Committee on Legal and Constitutional Affairs, which examined Bill C-55 in 1988, indicated that they had concerns about the safety involved in the 'safe country' provision of that bill. As Alan Nash describes, it was felt that the bill provided no formal mechanism to examine the fate of people to be returned to the safe third country. Individuals might easily be sent elsewhere by the country, perhaps leading to ''refoulement'' and jeopardizing their lives. The Senate Committee therefore proposed an amendment that would have provided for return to a safe third country only if a Refugee Division member and an adjudicator at an inquiry were convinced that the safe country would be willing to receive the claimant or to determine the individual's claim on its merits. In their view, this would have minimized the danger that asylum-seekers would be put "into orbit" or sent to another country.<ref>Alan Nash, ''International Refugee Pressures and the Canadian Public Policy Response'', Discussion Paper, January 1989, Studies in Social Policy, page 56.</ref> While this recommendation was not accepted, measures were ultimately instituted to prevent this problem. For more details, see [[Canadian Refugee Procedure/IRPR s. 159 - Safe Third Countries]], and in particular Article 3 of the Safe Third Country Agreement, which exists to prevent this. Also of note, Article 33(1) of the Refugee Convention has long been interpreted as prohibiting not only the direct return of refugees to the country where they fear persecution, but also their indirect return via a third country.<ref>''R v Secretary of State for the Home Department, Ex p Bugdaycay'' [1987] AC 514, 532.</ref> See: [[Canadian Refugee Procedure/115-116 - Principle of Non-refoulement]]. ==== The Act should be interpreted in a way that is coherent with interpretations by other states party to the Convention ==== Section 3(3)(c) of the Act provides that this statute is to be construed and applied in a manner that facilitates cooperation between the Government of Canada and foreign states. Grey argues that the claim of an individual seeking refugee protection is addressed not to the country of refuge as such, but to that country as a representative of the international community.<ref>Colin Grey, Cosmopolitan Pariahs: The Moral Rationale for Exclusion under Article 1F, ''International Journal of Refugee Law'', 2024, eeae025, <nowiki>https://doi.org/10.1093/ijrl/eeae025</nowiki></ref> In this way, the IRPA should be interpreted in a way that avoids fragmentary jurisprudence which undermines the coherence of the international protection system.<ref>Mathilde Crepin, ''The Notion of Persecution in the 1951 Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees and its Relevance for the Protection Needs of Refugees in the 21st Century,'' Dissertation, King’s College London, 2019, <https://kclpure.kcl.ac.uk/portal/> (Accessed August 1, 2020), at page 70 of document’s pagination.</ref> Courts in the UK have phrase this obligation thusly: "in principle there can only be one true interpretation of a treaty".<ref name=":12">''R v Secretary of State for the Home Department, Ex p Adan'' [2001] 2 AC 477, 516 (Lord Steyn).</ref> As such, decisions from the UK frequently stress that each State "must search, untrammelled by notions of its national legal culture, for the true autonomous and international meaning of the treaty".<ref name=":12" /> For the same reason, decisions in Canada frequently canvass jurisprudence from other countries when interpreting the meaning of the Refugee Convention and the IRPA.<ref>See, e.g., ''Ezokola v. Canada (Citizenship and Immigration),'' 2013 SCC 40 (CanLII), [2013] 2 SCR 678, paras. 69-77, <http://canlii.ca/t/fzq5z#par69>, retrieved on 2020-12-19.</ref> This is appropriate given that, in the words of the Plaut report that preceded the establishment of the IRB, "whether or not a person is a refugee is a question which is not so much one of Canada's law; rather, it belongs to the realm of international definition and justice."<ref>W. Gunther Plaut, ''Refugee determination in Canada: A report to the Honourable Flora MacDonald, Minister of Employment and Immigration'', April 1985, Government of Canada publication.</ref> See also: [[Canadian Refugee Procedure/The right to be heard and the right to a fair hearing#Decision-making should be predictable and consistent across the Board]]. ==== The Act should be construed and applied in a manner that facilitates cooperation between the Government of Canada and non-governmental organizations like the College of Immigration and Citizenship Consultants ==== Section 3(3)(c) of the Act provides that this statute is to be construed and applied in a manner that facilitates cooperation between the Government of Canada and non-governmental organizations. Some of the central non-governmental organizations in the Canadian immigration sphere are the College of Immigration and Citizenship Consultants and Canada's provincial law societies. As such, the Board should strive to construe and apply the IRPA in a way that facilitates cooperation with those bodies. Issues of this sort can arise where an individual is providing legal advice for consideration without being a member in good standing of such a body and where a member of such a body is acting beyond their allowed scope of practice. See: [[Canadian Refugee Procedure/91-91.1 - Representation or Advice#IRPA Sections 91-91.1]]. === IRPA Section 3(3)(d) - The Act is to be applied in a manner that complies with the Charter of Rights and Freedoms === <pre>Application (3) This Act is to be construed and applied in a manner that (d) ensures that decisions taken under this Act are consistent with the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, including its principles of equality and freedom from discrimination and of the equality of English and French as the official languages of Canada;</pre> ==== The fact that Charter rights are at play in Board proceedings means that the extent of procedural fairness owed to claimants is high ==== The Federal Court of Appeal has stated that “The independence of the Board, its adjudicative procedure and functions, and the fact that its decisions affect the Charter rights of claimants, indicate that the content of the duty of fairness owed by the Board, including the duty of impartiality, falls at the high end of the continuum of procedural fairness.”<ref name=":0" /> This obligation arises not only from Canada’s domestic administrative law, but also from Canada’s international commitments and obligations. The Refugee Convention provides that the expulsion of a refugee ‘shall be only in pursuance of a decision reached in accordance with due process of law’.<ref name=":22">Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees (adopted 28 July 1951, entered into force 22 April 1954) 189 UNTS 137 (Refugee Convention), Article 32.</ref> In ''Agiza v. Sweden'', the UN Committee against Torture found that article 3 of the CAT carries with it an implicit right to an ‘effective, independent and impartial review of a decision to expel’.<ref>UN doc CAT/C/34/D/233/2003 (20 May 2005).</ref> The Board's duty of fairness is also said to be heightened when it is dealing with self-represented claimants: [[Canadian Refugee Procedure/RPD Rules 14-16 - Counsel of Record#The Board has a heightened duty of procedural fairness when dealing with self-represented claimants]]. That said, while this is the common law rule, the extent of procedural fairness in the refugee process has been set out by provisions of the IRPA in many situations and the court notes that "these statutory requirements govern notwithstanding any common law rule."<ref>''Mohammed v. Canada (Citizenship and Immigration),'' 2024 FC 713 (CanLII), at para 28, <https://canlii.ca/t/k4jc6#par28>, retrieved on 2024-07-03.</ref> See: [[Canadian Refugee Procedure/170 - Proceedings]]. ==== Charter issues should generally be raised before the Division ==== Under most circumstances in the immigration context an applicant is required to raise Charter issues before the relevant administrative tribunal within the respective proceeding. In the present context, for example, the IRB is competent to address Charter issues. If unsuccessful, the claimant would then be able seek leave for judicial review of that decision before the Federal Court.<ref>Inter-American Commission on Human Rights (IACHR), ''Report on the Situation of Human Rights of Asylum Seekers Within the Canadian Refugee Determination System'', 2000, Inter-Am. C.H.R., OEA/Ser.L/V/II.106, Doc. 40 rev. (2000), available at: <nowiki>https://www.refworld.org/docid/50ceedc72.html</nowiki> [accessed 18 August 2020], para. 86.</ref> For further discussion on this, see: [[Canadian Refugee Procedure/RPD Rule 66 - Notice of Constitutional Question]]. ==== Decisions taken under this Act are to be consistent with the principles of equality and freedom from discrimination ==== Section 3(3)(d) of the IRPA provides that the Act is to be construed and applied in a manner that ensures that decisions taken under the Act are consistent with the ''Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms'', including its principles of equality and freedom from discrimination. This provision tracks the obligation in Article 3 of the ''Refugee Convention'', which provides that the "Contracting States shall apply the provisions of this Convention to refugees without discrimination as to race, religion or country of origin".<ref name=":19">UN General Assembly, ''Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees'', 28 July 1951, United Nations, Treaty Series, vol. 189, p. 137, available at: https://www.refworld.org/docid/3be01b964.html [accessed 25 April 2021].</ref> One can observe a transformation over the past century in the nature of international migration, including that it has an increasingly multiethnic and global character. When the 1951 ''Refugee Convention'' was being negotiated, it had a primarily European orientation, and the prospect of refugees coming in significant numbers from further afield was thought to be nil. For example, the UK delegate to the conference of plenipotentiaries that negotiated the 1951 Convention, asserted there that "[the risk of European states facing] a vast influx of Arab refugees was too small to be worth taking into account."<ref>Krause, U. Colonial roots of the 1951 Refugee Convention and its effects on the global refugee regime. ''J Int Relat Dev'' (2021). https://doi.org/10.1057/s41268-020-00205-9 at page 17.</ref> This thinking about the makeup and source of refugees seeking asylum has shifted dramatically to the point where today it is recognized that most refugees are in low income countries and that individuals claim asylum in Canada against countries throughout the world. Indeed, it can be observed that while “asylum seeker” is not on its face or ''de jure'' a racial category, in the contemporary Canadian migration regime, it is a ''de facto'' racialized category, comprised largely of non-White persons.<ref>Achiume, E. Tendayi. “Digital Racial Borders.” AJIL Unbound, vol. 115, 2021, pp. 333–338., doi:10.1017/aju.2021.52.</ref> Board Members are to exercise their discretion without discrimination or reliance on stereotype, as doing so, in the words of the Federal Court, “reveals a level of ignorance and prejudice which is not only unusual in general, but is particularly astonishing on the part of a decision maker who is in a position to adjudicate sensitive claims.”<ref>''Herrera v. Canada (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration)'', 2005 FC 1233.</ref> See also: [[Canadian Refugee Procedure/The right to an unbiased decision-maker#Where a member pursues questioning with a discriminatory attitude]]. ==== Decisions taken under this Act are to be consistent with the equality of English and French as the official languages of Canada ==== Section 3(3)(d) of the Act states that it is to be construed and applied in a manner that ensures that decisions taken under this Act are consistent with the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, including its principle of the equality of English and French as the official languages of Canada. For a discussion of this, see: [[Canadian Refugee Procedure/The right to be heard and the right to a fair hearing#Language of proceedings]]. === IRPA Section 3(3)(f) - The Act is to be construed and applied in a manner that complies with international human rights instruments to which Canada is signatory === <pre>Application (3) This Act is to be construed and applied in a manner that (f) complies with international human rights instruments to which Canada is signatory.</pre> ==== In general, in Canada legislation should be presumed to conform to international law ==== Canada is what is referred to as a "dualist state" in that international law and municipal law are treated as separate spheres of law. As such, in order for international obligations undertaken by the state by way of treaty to form part of the national law, these international law rules have to be transformed into national law rules through the use of enabling legislation.<ref>Statement applies ''mutatis mutandis'' to Canada, and is derived from E Macharia-Mokobi, J Pfumorodze, ''Advancing refugee protection in Botswana through improved refugee status determination'', African Human Rights Law Journal 13 (1), 01-26, <<nowiki>http://www.scielo.org.za/scielo.php?pid=S1996-20962013000100008&script=sci_arttext&tlng=es</nowiki>> (Accessed February 5, 2021), page 166.</ref> That said, it is a well-established principle of statutory interpretation that legislation will be presumed to conform to international law.<ref>''R. v. Hape,'' 2007 SCC 26 (CanLII), [2007] 2 SCR 292, par. 53, <http://canlii.ca/t/1rq5n#par53>, retrieved on 2020-09-03.</ref> The presumption of conformity is based on the rule of judicial policy that courts will strive to avoid constructions of domestic law pursuant to which the state would be in violation of its international obligations, unless the wording of the statute clearly compels that result.<ref>R. Sullivan, ''Sullivan and Driedger on the Construction of Statutes'' (4th ed. 2002), at p. 422.</ref> The Supreme Court of Canada articulated this rule in ''Baker v. Canada'' when it adopted the following statement from ''Driedger on the Construction of Statutes:''<blockquote>[T]he legislature is presumed to respect the values and principles enshrined in international law, both customary and conventional. These constitute a part of the legal context in which legislation is enacted and read. In so far as possible, therefore, interpretations that reflect these values and principles are preferred.<ref>''Baker v. Canada (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration),'' 1999 CanLII 699 (SCC), [1999] 2 SCR 817, par. 70, <http://canlii.ca/t/1fqlk#par70>, retrieved on 2020-12-22.</ref></blockquote>This provision applies not only where a party raises an issue of statutory interpretation before the tribunal, but also to the analytical frameworks that the tribunal employes. In any event, the court notes that it is not always possible to draw a clear line separating issues of interpretation from issues of application. For example, in ''Ali v. Canada'' the court noted that the breach of the principle of ''non-refoulement'' in that case stemmed from both the Immigration Division’s failure to consider the issue of whether Mr. Ali personally posed a danger to the security of Canada—which related to applying the Act—and of applying an analytical framework stemming from the case law that was not aligned with the principle of ''non-refoulement''—which related more to interpreting the Act.<ref>''Ali v. Canada (Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness),'' 2025 FC 1682 (CanLII), at para 32, <https://canlii.ca/t/kftdp#par32>, retrieved on 2025-10-14.</ref> ==== International human rights instruments are determinative of the meaning of IRPA, in the absence of a clear legislative intent to the contrary ==== Section 3(3)(f) of the IRPA goes beyond the general principle of statutory interpretation described above. When interpreting any provision of IRPA, account must be had of Canada’s international human rights obligations and provisions should be interpreted in a manner consistent with Canada’s international obligations, where possible. In ''de Guzman v. Canada'' the court commented that the words “shall be construed and applied in a manner that complies with …” are mandatory and appear to direct courts to give the international human rights instruments in question more than persuasive or contextual significance in the interpretation of IRPA. By providing that IRPA “is to be” interpreted and applied in a manner that complies with the prescribed instruments, paragraph 3(3)(f), if interpreted literally, makes them determinative of the meaning of IRPA, in the absence of a clear legislative intent to the contrary.<ref>''De Guzman v. Canada (Minister of Citizenship & Immigration),'' [2005] F.C.J. No. 2119 at para. 75 (F.C.A.).</ref> As Bastarache J. held in ''Pushpanathan,'' the "overarching and clear human rights object and purpose is the background against which interpretation of individual provisions must take place".<ref>''Pushpanathan v Canada (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration)'', [1998] 1 SCR 982 (Supreme Court of Canada).</ref> That said, unambiguous provisions of the IRPA must be given effect even if they are contrary to Canada’s international obligations or international law.<ref>''Németh v. Canada (Justice),'' 2010 SCC 56, [2010] 3 S.C.R. 281 at para. 35.</ref> Another way of putting this is that the Act is to be interpreted and applied consistently with international instruments to which Canada is signatory, “unless, on the modern approach to statutory interpretation, this is impossible”.<ref>''Freeman v. Canada (Citizenship and Immigration),'' 2024 FC 1839 (CanLII), at para 26, <https://canlii.ca/t/k7zf1#par26>, retrieved on 2024-12-07.</ref> Sharryn Aiken, et. al., write in ''Immigration and Refugee Law: Cases, Materials, and Commentary'' that there was considerable excitement in migrant advocacy circles regarding para 3(3)(f) of the IRPA stating that the Act is to be construed in a manner that "complies with international human rights instruments to which Canada is signatory." They note that this provision seemed to provide a potential shortcut for direct access to international human rights principles.<ref>Sharryn Aiken, et al, ''Immigration and Refugee Law: Cases, Materials, and Commentary (Third Edition)'', Jan. 1 2020, Emond, ISBN: 1772556319, at page 307.</ref> However, on the basis of the Federal Court of Appeal's decision ''de Guzman v. Canada'' those authors conclude that "The ''de Guzman'' decision ensured that para 3(3)(f) is understood to reflect existing Canadian law with respect to international obligations and therefore to be essentially meaningless window dressing that adds nothing new to the interpretive framework for Canadian immigration law."<ref>Sharryn Aiken, et al, ''Immigration and Refugee Law: Cases, Materials, and Commentary (Third Edition)'', Jan. 1 2020, Emond, ISBN: 1772556319, at page 309.</ref> That said, the courts have held that one of the effects of this provision is to mandate immigration adjudicators to consider relevant international law, including the principle of ''non-refoulement'', regardless of whether or not this has been raised as an argument by the parties.<ref>''Canada (Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness) v. Weldemariam,'' 2024 FCA 69 (CanLII), at para 52, <https://canlii.ca/t/k419v#par52>, retrieved on 2024-06-12.</ref> A question can arise about the meaning of the international human rights instruments that Canada has ratified. For some of those instruments, Canada has signed optional protocols that empower a committee to provide its views on the treaty's requirements. The court has noted that, with respect to the optional protocol to the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, in signing the Protocol, Canada did not agree to be bound by the final views of the UN Human Rights Committee, nor did it even agree that it would stay its own domestic proceedings until the Committee gave its views. In other words, neither the Committee's views nor its interim measures requests are binding on Canada as a matter of international law, much less as a matter of domestic law. The party states that ratified the Covenant and the Optional Protocol turned their minds to the question of whether they should agree to be bound by the Committee's views, or whether they should at least agree to refrain from taking any action against an individual who had sought the Committee's views until they were known. They decided as a matter of policy that they should not, leaving each party state, on a case-by-case basis, free to accept or reject the Committee's final views, and equally free to accede to or not accede to an interim measures request.<ref>''Ahani v Canada (Attorney General)'' 2002 CanLII 23589, para. 32.</ref> ==== Regard should be had to international human rights instruments that Canada is signatory to, whether or not Canada has ratified them ==== In ''de Guzman v. Canada'' the court commented that the sources of international law described in paragraph 3(3)(f) comprise some that are binding on Canada in international law, and some that are not. The paragraph applies to instruments to which Canada is signatory. At international law, an instrument is not legally binding on a signatory State until it has also ratified it, unless the instrument provides that it is binding when signed. Signature normally evinces an intention to be bound in the future, although it may also impose an immediate obligation on the signatory not to take measures to undermine the agreement.<ref>''De Guzman v. Canada (Minister of Citizenship & Immigration),'' [2005] F.C.J. No. 2119 at para. 76 (F.C.A.).</ref> Being a signatory to a treaty has a particular meaning in international law, in that it is usually a step prior to a party becoming a party to the treaty. Article 18(a) of the ''Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties'' provides that "A State is obliged to refrain from acts which would defeat the object and purpose of a treaty when: (a) It has signed the treaty or has exchanged instruments constituting the treaty subject to ratification, acceptance or approval, until it shall have made its intention clear not to become a party to the treaty; ...".<ref name=":13" /> That said, it is apparent that the instruments appropriately covered by this provision are not limited to instruments which Canada has signed, but not ratified. The Supreme Court of Canada has noted, for example, that the Refugee Convention itself is among the instruments appropriately referred to by this provision. See: [[Canadian Refugee Procedure/Principles for the interpretation of refugee procedure#The refugee system is inextricably linked with the concept of human rights]]. Regard should be had to exactly the obligations that Canada has signed on to where Canada has made reservations or provided interpretative declarations as part of the process of ratifying a treaty. For example, Canada ratified the Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities but made a reservation and interpretative declaration to Article 12 which specifically reserved the right to continue the use of substitute decision-making arrangements “in appropriate circumstances and subject to appropriate and effective safeguards.”<ref>United Nations Treaty Series, “15. Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities,” vol. 2515, <nowiki>https://treaties.un.org/doc/Publication/MTDSG/Volume%20I/Chapter%20IV/IV-15.en.pdf</nowiki> (accessed May 15, 2021), p. 4. Canada specifically reserved the right to continue the use of substitute decision-making arrangements “in appropriate circumstances and subject to appropriate and effective safeguards.”.</ref> ==== What are the international human rights instruments to which Canada is a signatory? ==== As the Federal Court of Appeal has noted, the IRPA "does not list, let alone set out the text of, the measures to which paragraph 3(3)(f) applies."<ref name=":8">''de Guzman v. Canada (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration),'' 2005 FCA 436 (CanLII), [2006] 3 FCR 655, par. 58, <http://canlii.ca/t/1m8q8#par58>, retrieved on 2020-12-22.</ref> It went on to note that the phrase "international human rights instruments to which Canada is signatory" is "far from self-defining".<ref name=":8" /> The Supreme Court of Canada has noted that the Refugee Convention itself is among the instruments appropriately referred to by this provision, see: [[Canadian Refugee Procedure/Principles for the interpretation of refugee procedure#The refugee system is inextricably linked with the concept of human rights]]. The Department of Justice provides the following list, ''International Human Rights Treaties to which Canada is a Party'', which may also serve to inform an interpretation of this provision:<ref>Government of Canada Department of Justice, ''International Human Rights Treaties to which Canada is a Party'', Date modified: 2019-07-30, <https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/abt-apd/icg-gci/ihrl-didp/tcp.html> (Accessed April 17, 2020).</ref> * Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (1952) * International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination (1970) * International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights (1976) * International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR) (1976) ** Optional Protocol to the <abbr>ICCPR</abbr> (complaint mechanism) (1976) ** Second Optional Protocol to the ICCPR, aiming at the abolition of the death penalty (2005) * Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women (CEDAW) (1981) ** Optional Protocol to <abbr>CEDAW</abbr> (complaint mechanism) (2002) * Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment (1987) * Convention on the Rights of the Child (CRC) (1991) ** Optional Protocol to the <abbr>CRC</abbr> on the Involvement of Children in armed conflict (2000) ** Optional Protocol to the CRC on the Sale of Children, Child Prostitution and Child Pornography (2005) * Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities (2010) ** Optional Protocol to the Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities (2018) A number of additional treaties could by added to this list, including: * The Slavery Convention (1926)<ref>{{Cite web |title=United Nations Treaty Collection |url=https://treaties.un.org/pages/ViewDetails.aspx?src=TREATY&mtdsg_no=XVIII-3&chapter=18&clang=_en |access-date=2024-12-27 |website=treaties.un.org |language=EN}}</ref> * Convention on the Political Rights of Women (1953) * Convention on the Reduction of Statelessness (1954) * Convention on the Nationality of Married Women (1957) * International Labour Organization Conventions: ** Convention (no 87) concerning Freedom of Association and Protection of the Right to Organize (1948) ** Convention (no 100) concerning Equal Remuneration for Men and Women Workers for Work of Equal Value (1951) ** Convention (no 105) concerning the Abolition of Forced Labour (1957) ** Convention (no 111) concerning Discrimination in respect of Employment and Occupation (1958) ** Convention (no 122) concerning Employment Policy (1964)<ref>{{Cite web |last= |first= |date=2016-05-17 |title=Canada & The UN: Conventions And Treaties |url=https://ccla.org/get-informed/talk-rights/canada-the-un-conventions-and-treaties/ |access-date=2024-12-27 |website=CCLA |language=en-CA}}</ref> ** The International Labour Organization ''Worst Forms of Child Labour Convention'' (ILO Convention No. 182) ** The International Labour Organization ''Minimum Age Convention'' (ILO Convention No. 138) * The Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court * The Protocol to Prevent, Suppress and Punish Trafficking in Persons, Especially Women and Children, Supplementing the United Nations Convention Against Transnational Organized Crime * The phrase "international human rights instruments" can be taken to include regional instruments in the Inter-American system that Canada has signed. In the words of the Federal Court of Appeal, regional multilateral human rights instruments, such as the ''American Convention on Human Rights'' [adopted at the Inter-American Specialized Conference on Human Rights, San José, Costa Rica, 22 November 1969, O.A.S.T.S. No. 36; 1144 U.N.T.S. 123], may fall within paragraph 3(3)(''f'').<ref>''de Guzman v. Canada (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration) (F.C.A.),'' 2005 FCA 436 (CanLII), [2006] 3 FCR 655, at para 80, <https://canlii.ca/t/1m8q8#par80>, retrieved on 2025-12-03.</ref> Canada is not a party to the ''American Convention on Human Rights''. Nevertheless, as a member of the Organization of American States, it is bound by the terms of the ''American Declaration of the Rights and Duties of Man'' (“American Declaration”).<ref>Sharryn Aiken, et al, ''Immigration and Refugee Law: Cases, Materials, and Commentary (Third Edition)'', Jan. 1 2020, Emond, ISBN: 1772556319, at page 320.</ref> This instrument specifies the fundamental rights to which each person is entitled, and which each member state of the Organization of American States (OAS), like Canada, is bound to uphold. The OAS Charter and the American Declaration are a source of legal obligations applicable to Canada.<ref>IACtHR, Advisory Opinion OC-10/89 of July 14, 1989, "Interpretation of the American Declaration of the Rights and Duties of Man within the Framework of Article 64 of the American Convention on Human Rights," Ser. A No. 10, paras. 45-46.</ref> Canada has also ratified several other inter-American human rights treaties, including the ''Convention on the Nationality of Women'' (1934),<ref>{{Cite web |title=Convention on the Nationality of Women |url=http://hrlibrary.umn.edu/instree/uruguay1933.html |access-date=2024-12-27 |website=hrlibrary.umn.edu}}</ref> the ''Inter-American Convention on the Granting of Political Rights to Women''<ref>Inter-American Convention on the Granting of Political Rights to Women (A-44), 2 May 1948, Can TS 1991 No 29, OASTS No 3 (entered into force 29 December 1954). </ref> and the ''Inter-American Convention on the Granting of Civil Rights to Women''.<ref>Inter-American Convention on the Granting of Civil Rights to Women (A-45), 2 May 1948, Can TS 1991 No 30, OASTS No 23 (entered into force in Canada 23 October 1991). </ref> * Canada has signed the Geneva Conventions I, II, III, and IV and Protocols I, II, and III. These may be relevant to refugee determinations. For example, the ''Fourth Geneva Convention Relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War (1949)'', which at Art. 45, para. 4 prohibits transferring a protected person "to a country where he or she may have reason to fear persecution for his or her political opinions or religious beliefs."<ref>UNHCR, ''Refugee Protection: A Guide to International Refugee Law'', <https://www.academia.edu/36070452/REFUGEE_PROTECTION_A_Guide_to_International_Refugee_Law?email_work_card=view-paper> (Accessed December 13, 2020), page 14.</ref> This instrument forms part of international humanitarian law, not international human rights law, and thus could be argued not to fall within the ambit of IRPA s. 3(3)(f). For example, the International Law Commission has generally distinguished between the two areas of law.<ref>International Law Commission, ''Draft articles on the effects of armed conflicts on treaties, with commentaries,'' 2011, <https://legal.un.org/ilc/texts/instruments/english/commentaries/1_10_2011.pdf>, at annex (page 2).</ref> For how they are considered under Canadian law, see the ''Geneva Conventions Act''.<ref>''Geneva Conventions Act'', RSC 1985, c G-3, Schedule V, subsection 2(2)</ref> However, the Federal Court of Appeal accepted in ''Najafi v. Canada'' that Protocol I is an instrument that falls within the meaning of this provision of the IRPA.<ref>''Najafi v. Canada (Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness),'' 2014 FCA 262 (CanLII), [2015] 4 FCR 162, at para 47, <https://canlii.ca/t/gfggh#par47>, retrieved on 2025-08-24.</ref> Regard may also be had to Canada's ''United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples Act'', which affirms "the Declaration as a universal international human rights instrument with application in Canadian law".<ref>''United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples Act'', SC 2021, c 14, s 4, <https://canlii.ca/t/b9q3#sec4>, retrieved on 2024-03-29.</ref> One of the rationales for applying the IRPA in a manner that complies with international human rights instruments to which Canada is signatory is that the Minister can examine ‘interim measures requests’ to refrain from removing foreign nationals. Such requests can be issued by the bodies of four international human rights treaties to which Canada is signatory: the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women; the Convention Against Torture; the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights; and the American Declaration of the Rights and Duties of Man.<ref>Ahouga, Y. (2024) “Legal and Policy Infrastructures of Returns in Canada. WP2 Country Dossier” in ''GAPs: De-centring the Study of Migrant Returns and Readmission Policies in Europe and Beyond''. DOI: 10.5281/zenodo.10836598, page 16.</ref> When attempting to interpret this term, regard may be had of the interpretation that the African Court on Human and Peoples' Rights has given to its constituting protocol, which gives it jurisdiction over the African Charter on Human and Peoples' Rights as well as "any other relevant Human Rights instrument ratified by the states concerned."<ref>African Union, ''Protocol to the African Charter on Human And Peoples' Rights on the Establishment of an African Court on Human and Peoples' Rights'', June 10, 1998, <https://au.int/sites/default/files/treaties/36393-treaty-0019_-_protocol_to_the_african_charter_on_human_and_peoplesrights_on_the_establishment_of_an_african_court_on_human_and_peoples_rights_e.pdf>.</ref> That court has provided significant interpretation of this similar phrase, including how instruments can have certain provisions that are human rights ones and other provisions that are not human rights ones. For some of the above Conventions, it is unambiguous that the IRPA is to be interpreted in conformity with provisions of them; the statute includes an excerpt from the ''Convention against Torture'', for instance: [[Canadian Refugee Procedure/2-3 - Definitions, objectives, and application of the IRPA]]. See also the provision of the IRPA regarding ''non-refoulement'' and how that concept relates to some of the above instruments: [[Canadian Refugee Procedure/115-116 - Principle of Non-refoulement#Section 115 of the IRPA prohibits refoulement to persecution for a Convention reason, torture, or cruel and unusual treatment or punishment, subject to exceptions]]. ==== This provision may not apply to texts which are not signed and customary law ==== Section 3(3)(f) of the IRPA provides that it is to be construed and applied in a manner that complies with international human rights instruments to which Canada is signatory. This arguably excludes a number of types of instruments, including: * <u>Instruments that are not signed:</u> For example, the 1948 Universal Declaration of Human Rights is not a treaty, but instead an unenforceable, non-binding (yet aspirational) resolution of the United Nations General Assembly.<ref>UNGA Res. 217A(III), adopted Dec. 10, 1948</ref> By its terms the Universal Declaration of Human Rights was not designed to describe binding obligations by only a 'common standard of achievement', as stated in the preamble to the declaration.<ref>The 1951 Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees and its 1967 Protocol: A Commentary. Edited by Andreas Zimmermann. Oxford University Press, 2011, 1799 pp. {{#isbn:978-0-19-954251-2}}, ''Preamble 1951 Convention'', by Alleweldt, at p. 232 (para. 28).</ref> As such, given that this document was not signed, and as such countries cannot be said to be signatories to this declaration, it should not be regarded as one of the instruments contemplated by s. 3(3)(f) of the IRPA. * <u>Customary international law:</u> While there are other cannons of interpretation that read Canadian legislation in conformity with customary international law, such an interpretation would appear not to be required by this provision on its own terms. As such, while the UK Supreme Court has observed that "it may be that the principle of ''non-refoulement'' forms part of customary international law", that fact, if true, is not in itself germane to this provision of the IRPA.<ref>''R (on the application of AAA and others) (Respondents/Cross Appellants) v Secretary of State for the Home Department (Appellant/Cross Respondent),'' [2023] UKSC 42, <<nowiki>https://supremecourt.uk/uploads/uksc_2023_0093_etc_judgment_636270e30e.pdf</nowiki>>, para. 25.</ref> But see: [[Canadian Refugee Procedure/Principles for the interpretation of refugee procedure#In general, in Canada legislation should be presumed to conform to international law]]. Special regard may be had to the UNHCR's Guidelines on International Protection. The court notes that while the guidelines are not binding, determinations must be consistent with them because the guidelines were made pursuant to an international instrument to which Canada is a signatory, and as such, the guidelines operate as an international law constraint on the Board's decisions.<ref>''Mina v. Canada (Citizenship and Immigration),'' 2025 FC 1909 (CanLII), at para 14, <https://canlii.ca/t/kgsqm#par14>, retrieved on 2025-12-03.</ref> ==== The refugee system is inextricably linked with the concept of human rights ==== Section 3(3)(f) of the Act provides that it is to be construed and applied in a manner that complies with international human rights instruments to which Canada is signatory. The Supreme Court of Canada has held that the ''Refugee Convention'' itself should be considered a “human rights instrument”, within the meaning of s. 3(3)(f) of the Act:<blockquote>s. 3(3)(''f'') instructs courts to construe and apply the ''IRPA'' in a manner that “complies with international human rights instruments to which Canada is signatory”. There can be no doubt that the ''Refugee Convention'' is such an instrument, building as it does on the right of persons to seek and to enjoy asylum from persecution in other countries as set out in art. 14 of the ''Universal Declaration of Human Rights''.<ref>''B010 v. Canada (Citizenship and Immigration),'' 2015 SCC 58 (CanLII), [2015] 3 SCR 704, par. 49, <https://canlii.ca/t/gm8wn#par49>, retrieved on 2021-04-25.</ref> [internal citations omitted]</blockquote>In addition, the ''Protocol Relating to the Status of Refugees'' is also considered to be an international human rights instrument.<ref>''Canada (Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness) v. Weldemariam,'' 2024 FCA 69 (CanLII), at para 54, <https://canlii.ca/t/k419v#par54>, retrieved on 2024-06-12.</ref> This is consistent with the practice of other courts. The preamble to the Convention itself notes that "The High Contracting parties, considering that the United Nations has, on various occasions, manifested its profound concern for refugees and endeavored to assure refugees the widest possible exercise of these fundamental rights and freedoms, ... have agreed as follows:".<ref name=":4" /> Brennan CJ of the High Court of Australia relied on this preamble when making the following comment about the ''Refugee Convention'': "the preamble places the Convention among the international instruments that have as their object and purpose the protection of the equal enjoyment by every person of fundamental rights and freedoms."<ref>''Applicant A v Minister for Immigration and Ethnic Affairs,'' (1997) 190 CLR 225, 231–232 (per Brennan CJ), <https://www.ato.gov.au/law/view/print?DocID=JUD%2F190CLR225%2F00002&PiT=99991231235958>.</ref> In 2018 the Inter-American Court of Human Rights issued an Advisory Opinion entitled “The Institution Of Asylum And Its Recognition As a Human Right In The Inter-American System Of Protection” which concluded that asylum is a human right.<ref>Advisory Opinion OC-25/18, as cited in Esraa Adnan Fangary, ''A Peculiar Leap in the Protection of Asylum Seekers: The Inter-American Court of Human Rights' Jurisprudence on the Protection of Asylum Seekers'', The Age of Human Rights Journal, 16 (June 2021) pp. 31-53 ISSN: 2340-9592 DOI: 10.17561/tahrj.v16.6134 at page 35.</ref> This is also consistent with the practice of the UN High Commissioner for Refugees. UNHCR is said to have adopted this approach that sees the ''Refugee Convention'' as a part of human rights law and has pronounced that “the human rights base of the Convention roots it quite directly in the broader framework of human rights instruments of which it is an integral part.”<ref>Hamlin, Rebecca. ''Let Me Be a Refugee: Administrative Justice and the Politics of Asylum in the United States, Canada, and Australia''. New York: Oxford University Press,  2014. Print.</ref> The Commissioner himself has stated: <blockquote>The issue of human rights and the problems of refugees are so inextricably linked that it is hardly possible to discuss one without referring to the other. Human rights violations are a major cause of refugee flows and also a major obstacle to the solution of refugee problems through voluntary repatriation. More positively, safeguarding human rights is the best way to prevent conditions that force people to become refugees; respect for human rights is a key element in the protection of refugees in the country of asylum; and improved observance of human rights standards is often critical for the solution of refugee problems by enabling refugees to return safely home ...<ref>Address of United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees Sadako Ogata to the UN Commission on Human Rights, 1993, as cited in W. Gunther Plaut, ''Asylum: A Moral Dilemma'', Westport, Conn.: Praeger, 1995, page 88.</ref></blockquote>Furthermore, the weight of academic commentary places the ''Refugee Convention'' within the corpus of human rights instruments. McAdam argues that refugee law is a specialized area ''within'' human rights law.<ref>McAdam, J. 2010. Status anxiety: Complementary protection and the rights of non-convention refugees. ''University of New South Wales Faculty of Law Research Series'', working paper 1, University of New South Wales, Sydney.</ref> Similarly, Hathaway argues that refugee rights should be understood as a mechanism by which to answer situation-specific vulnerabilities that would otherwise deny refugees meaningful benefit of the more general system of human rights protection. In this way, he states, "refugee rights do not exist as an alternative to, or in competition with, general human rights."<ref>Hathaway, James C. ''The Rights of Refugees under International Law''. 2nd ed., Cambridge University Press, 2021, page 10.</ref> This provision in the IRPA should be read in conjunction with section 3(2)(e) of the IRPA, which provides that the objectives of this Act with respect to refugees including upholding Canada’s respect for the human rights and fundamental freedoms of all human beings. These legislative provisions speak to the way that the plight of refugees is inextricably linked with human rights violations. In the words of refugee lawyer David Matas, “the plight of refugees and human rights violations are not two problems, but different facets of the same problem. Human rights violations are at the root cause of mass exoduses.”<ref>David Matas with Ilana Simon, ''Closing the Doors: The Failure of Refugee Protection'', Summerhill Press Ltd., Toronto, 1989, {{#isbn:0-920197-81-7}}, page 274.</ref> See: [[Canadian Refugee Procedure/Principles for the interpretation of refugee procedure#IRPA Section 3(2)(e) - Fair and efficient procedures that maintain integrity and uphold human rights]]. Finally, the fact that asylum is related to human rights does not preclude it from being a branch of other areas of law; in the words of the UK Supreme Court, asylum can perfectly naturally be regarded as an aspect of immigration law.<ref>''R (on the application of AAA and others) (Respondents/Cross Appellants) v Secretary of State for the Home Department (Appellant/Cross Respondent),'' [2023] UKSC 42, <https://www.supremecourt.uk/cases/docs/uksc-2023-0093-etc-judgment.pdf>, para. 133.</ref> == References == <references responsive="" /> {{BookCat}} 7vssaime6ut4q8xu0bvx0nddlx38jzi 0 416001 4671754 3761933 2026-09-22T11:44:48Z WereSpielChequers 248949 c/e 4671754 wikitext text/x-wiki {{incomplete}} {{TOC right|limit=3}} ==P.03 - Contents Banner== '''The Australasian Radio World''' Incorporating the '''All-Wave All-World DX News''' Vol. 5. - JULY, 1940 - No. 2. ==P.03 - Contents== '''CONTENTS:''' '''CONSTRUCTIONAL —''' "Tip-Top Three-Four Superhet" . . . . 5 Standard A.C. Power Unit . . . . 19 Two Novel Circuits From America . . . . 25 '''GENERAL TECHNICAL —''' Battery Chargers . . . . 11 Using An R.F. Oscillator . . . . 15 Rola Introduces "Kappa" Cones . . . . 35 '''AMPLIFIER SECTION —''' Amplifier Championship . . . . 22 '''SHORT-WAVE SECTION —''' Review . . . . 28 The Month's Loggings . . . . 30 '''JUNIOR TECHNICAL —''' Hints and Tips . . . . 37 Building a Galvanometer . . . . 38 '''TRADE NOTES —''' W . G. Watson Release 1940 Test Equipment . . . . 40 Meter Repairs . . . . 40 Free Resistor De-coder . . . . 40 Bargain Lines at Murdock's Radio Sale . . . . 42 '''SPEEDY QUERY SERVICE —''' Answers to Readers' Problems . . . . 41 ==P.03 - Publication Notes== The "Australasian Radio World" is published monthly by '''A. G. Hull.''' Editorial offices, 117 Reservoir Street, Sydney, N.S.W. Telephone FL2842. Cable address: "Repress," Sydney. Advertisers please note that copy should reach office of publication by 14th of month preceding that specified for insertion. Subscription rates: 1/- per copy, 10/6 per year (12 issues) post free to Australia and New Zealand. Printed by Bridge Printery Pty. Ltd., 117 Reservoir Street, Sydney, N.S.W., for the proprietors of the "Australasian Radio World," 117 Reservoir St., Sydney (Footnote P.40) ==P.03 - Our Front Cover== '''OUR FRONT COVER''' On June 6 His Excellency the Governor, accompanied by Lady Wakehurst and attended by Mr. Peter Lubbock, made a tour of inspection of the S.T.C. Sydney factory. In the picture (from left to right) are: Mr. R. S. Beckwith (S.T.C. director), Mr. Peter Lubbock, Mr. H. C. Trenam (managing director of the S.T.C.), Lady Wakehurst, His Excellency the Governor, and Mr. S. D. McPhee (S.T.C. works manager) are seen watching the assembly of condenser gangs for S.T.C. Radio Receivers. ==P.04 - Editorial== '''EDITORIAL . . .''' Life has been brighter this month. The office has assumed a new air of happiness. The reason — our new mantel model, "Tip Top", has been playing in the office, as you'll notice by the photograph at the top of the opposite page. We've heard a lot about the need for auxiliary receivers in the home, and we've always made a point of having two or three sets available. But we never thought that one could prove such a boon in the office. With extraordinary performance, considering its simplicity and I cost, "Tip Top" has been providing a background of soft music which has changed the whole atmosphere of the working day. It makes us feel sure that this little set is bound to find favour with our readers, too. You'll be bound to find a good use for it. Not so bright, however, is the paper position. Every month it becomes harder and harder to obtain supplies of the kind of smooth-finish paper which we have used in the past, and, of course, costs have risen considerably. We feel sure that our readers appreciate decent paper and clean printing, so our problem at the moment is to know how to give you all you want without using too much paper. The solution rests with you. If you can spare a moment we'd greatly appreciate it if you will give us an idea of what type of reading matter suits you best. For example, there is the short-wave section. In one way it is difficult to justify its inclusion in a paper with a policy of "100% Technical Radio", and yet we feel that it is the most accurate and authentic guide of its kind, and that it serves a valuable purpose to the keen radio man. Do you appreciate it, or would you rather have more articles about battery set design? Let us know how you feel about such matters and we'll do what we can to fulfil your requirements. In conclusion we would like to again draw your attention to the Amplifier Championship. This contest is proving a wonderful success in spite of the difficult times through which we are passing. Our greatest care in regard to the Amplifier Championship is that there must be many readers who would find the auditions of boundless interest, yet have not managed to find sufficient energy to fill in the application form for a seat reservation. Of course many have done so, and already more than a hundred have been along to the first three heats, but there must be hundreds more who don't know what they are missing. Action is called for. '''A. G. HULL''' ==P.05 - Constructional - "Tip-Top Three-Four Superhet"== ==P.11 - General Technical - Battery Chargers== ==P.15 - General Technical - Using An R.F. Oscillator== ==P.19 - Constructional - Standard A .C. Power Unit== ==P.22 - Amplifier Section - Amplifier Championship== ==P.25 - Constructional - Two Novel Circuits From America== ==P.28 - Shortwave Section - Review== '''Shortwave Review.''' D aylight Reception a t its Best ★ Stations in Frequency Order 4- Stations in “ Countries” Form ★ A ustralian M ail a t Fadio Saigon * N. I. R. O. M. will Q. S. L. ★ Full L ist of M onth’s Loggings ONDITIONS over the last month can only be described in the one word, “patchy.” The unusually warm weather experienced during the week-end of June 15 upset reception, as stations generally putting in a fine signal from 6 a.m. to 9 a.m., were very, very poor. However, when we have a thunderstorm in the middle of winter, I guess the short waves figure they have a right to play up. '''Daylight Reception Now At Its Best.''' But we can’t complain; daylight reception is now at its best and with the short period of "dead spot" from about 11 a.m. till 1 p.m. and sometimes not as long as this, the principal cities can be heard at terrific strength, and, what is more important, with almost incredible clarity, right throughout the day. From 6 p.m. till 9.30 p.m., with: the'exception of stations north of Australia, there is a lull, but quite often at this hour T.nid'm and Europe commence to trickle through. '''Choice of Stations.''' As the night wears on, and definitely by midnight, the choice of stations is very great. / Listeners at present have a good opportunity of hearing the Cubans and South Americans, as from just after mid-day till closing, which varies from 2 to 4 p.m., they are excelling themselves. Reference to observers’ and listeners’ reports will give a good idea of just what is coming through. It has been decided to print most, all if space permits, reports that are received, rather than have readers wade through a list of countries to find out just what stations are being heard. '''Stations in Frequency Order.''' We will also print each alternate month a list of stations in frequency order. This should enable a listener to look up at once any station he is hearing and of which he is doubtful. The list referred to commences with August issue. '''Stations in "Countries" Form.''' September issue will carry the stations in “Countries” form. I would appreciate opinions as to how the new system appeals. Since I have been conducting these pages, I have been compelled to chronicle the loss of some of our wellknown and regular transmitters. Unfortunately there are still more to be added to the already formidable list. This month records “Paris Mondial.” Admittedly, we still hear “This is Paris Mondial, the French Government Short Wave Station,” but is it? I venture to suggest that when I heard them on Saturday, June 15, at 2.15 p.m. on 31.51 metres, it was NOT our usual announcer, and am inclined to believe the speaker was NOT a Frenchman. I have heard London say on several occasions, "A Paris radio message says------but this most likely refers to a broadcast band. I do not know whether Berlin has reduced their power of a night, but lately London is heard much earlier, whereas the reverse was the rule, at my location anyway. Call sign of Moscow station on ll,900kc., 25.21m., is RIG. Radio Saigon puts over a Letter Bag session every Tuesday at 8.55 p.m. '''Radio Saigon Gets Mail from Australia.''' Judging by names and addresses called last Tuesday, their mail from Australia and New Zealand is of fair proportions. Talking of letters bags, TAP, Ankara (9465kc., 31.70m.), acknowledges letters from listeners on Sunday mornings, following their English talk at 6.50. As is usual in winter time, WBOS (31.35m.) are responsible for the hum that is heard on KZRM (31.35m.) from 8.30 p.m. onwards. '''N.I.R.O.M. Will QSL.''' N.I.R.O.M., Batavia, now send a QSL card in addition to a station booklet when verifying correct reports. JZK, Tokyo (15,160kc., 19.79m.), in addition to a special session for Hawaii in English and Japanese from 5 to 6 p.m., also conduct a special hour for the Near East from 1 a.m. to 2 a.m. English, Arabic, Hindustan, Burmese and Japanese are used. '''Java.''' The N.I.R.O.M. (Batavia) seem to be on the air much longer than as previously. In fact, I was told that several of their transm itters are continuously on the air. We have a more than ordinary interest in the Dutch East Indies at present, and I do wish that one of their many news sessions could be put over in English. If you want to hear a signal tune to YD A (61.22rn.) from 9 o’clock onwards. Mr. S. I. Nelson (Cairns, Q.) advises that TAQ, Ankara (19.74m.), is back on the air again and gives news in English at 10.15 p.m. Perhaps this is the reason for the hum on top of DJB at 10 o’clock. '''Verification Received.''' I have received a very dignified QSL card (black script on pink cardboard) from KZRC, “The Voice of Cebu,” “Cebu City, Philippines. It is a verification of my report of March 27. The owners are H. E. Heacock Co., and the card is signed by our old friend, Harry Fenton, as manager. Mr. Fenton will be remembered as the news commentator some time ago on KZRM. Station particulars are: 6100kc., 49.18m., 1000 watts, also long wave (1200kc.), 1000 watts. No time schedule is given, but I understand it to be: 2 p.m. to 3 p.m., 7 p.m. to 1 a.m. '''Hints On Sending For Verifications.''' When sending reports to foreign countries, it is well to spell the date out, as, say for example, May 1st. If written as 1/5/40, it would be taken in some countries, particularly America, as January 5, ’40. '''Hams.''' Although American amateurs are forbidden to "talk" to foreign stations, there appears to be plenty on the air that can still be heard. Here is a "bag" from '''Dr. Gaden''': 10 metres: W6- DGE, RDI, PKT, GOQ, SIM, DLW, QLD; W5BB; W7- GMB, W4HRF, K6SHZ, K6TCF. 20 metres: Plenty of W’s, IvA’s and K6’s — too common to list. C02GY, frequently heard, as also KF6JET, KF6JG, K4GMT, K7GMM, KC6HFS (gave 14,330kc.), ..KC6GK (gave 14,325kc.) KC60KS, KG6MU, KG6- PMV. Listeners will see there is quite a lot of sport to be had from the above loggings, as they cover a very wide range and take in a fair amount of territory that is in the limelight at the moment, such as Canton Is., Baker, Howland and Enderburv Is. Jarvis Is. (KG6) is also listed. Dr. Gaden regrets that, his knowledge of Spanish prevented him from deciphering a very strong signal in a talk between a K4 and a “ham” in Buenos Aires. The K4 was R Max.. Q5, and the B.A. R6, Q5. The Empire A .C. All-wave Three. Tunes continuously from 12.5 to 600 metres. Full description in issue of Dec., 1937. '''A New Cuban.''' Inadvertently, the following par was omitted from last issue:— COCSD, 11.75mc., 25.92m., Havana: 10.30 a.m. to 2.30 p.m. Reported by '''Dr. Gaden''' as weak on opening, but at good strength when closing. Receiving advice from U.S.A. on this new station, I mentioned it in a letter to Dr. Gaden, and sure enough he logged it. The station promised that those sending reports which were verified would be rewarded by view cards and booklets. Address: Senor Batista, P.O. 625. In reporting it, Dr. Gaden said he heard some remarks about call sign COK. The explanation, according to an American mail just to hand, is that they were operating first under the call sign COCSD, but latterly under COK. It is quite probable the station is now off the air, as it was used for the elections. ===The Jones' Super-Gainer Two=== (Start Photo Caption) The Jones' Super-Gainer Two, a two-valve shortwave superhet, using a 6F7 and a 79. Full details will be found in July, 1937, issue of "Radio World." Obtainable from this office, price 6d. (End Photo Caption) ==P.30 - Shortwave Section - The Month's Loggings== The Month’s Loggings ALL TIMES ARE AUSTRALIAN EASTERN STANARD. Official Observer '''Arthur T. Cushen''' (Invercargill, N.Z.) writes:— '''HCJB Ecuador''' (24.08m.), proud of their new 10,000 watt transmitter, have forwarded a souvenir booklet. They are most anxious for reports from Australia. '''YSP El Salvador''' (10,400 kc., 28.85 m.) is being heard well all over N.Z. around 3 p.m. Signals at times are very good. '''HP5A''' heard closing with good signals at 2 p.m. '''COK Havana''' (11.6mc., 25.92m.) a new station, was heard last month at good signal strength, but, owing to bad modulation and interference has only been identified as the call was hard to p«ck. The address is Box 625, Havana. All verified reports will be acknowledged by free coloured photos of Cuba. (See special note elsewhere.— Ed .). Although signals are weaker, '''COHI''' (6.46mc.) is still being heard at 10.30 p.m. '''CFRX''' (6.07mc., 49.42m.) was heard on one occasion closing at 2.30 p.m. Station is in Toronto, Canada, and is operated by the Rodger Radio Corp. Reports are asked for and they will QSL with a beautiful postcard. '''CJRO''' (6.147mc., 48.78m.), Winnipeg, can be heard with irregular signals closing at 4.30 p.m. '''WLWO''' (25.27m.) and '''WCAB''' (49.50m.) are both very good. '''Radio Maroc III.''' logged at 6.30 a.m. with fair signal. '''CNP Casablanca''' (34.13m ) can also be heard with fair signals around 6.30 p.m. '''FFZ Shanghai''' (24.83m.), good but lot of interference. '''TAP Ankara''' (31.70m ), very good at 7.10 a.m. on Sundays in Letter Bag session. '''EQC Iran''' (30.99m.) can be heard around 1 a.m., but is interfered with by '''VLQ-5'''. '''YUA Belgrade''' (49.18m.), fair signals in English at 7.30 a.m. '''"Radio Experimental," Bucharest, Rumania''' (32.46m.) heard with weak signals at 6 a.m. '''"British" Freedom Station''' (on 11.96mc., 25.13m.) at 6.30 a.m. Signal good. This can be heard again at 7.30.— Ed.). '''STOP PRESS''' '''KGEI''', Treasure Island, San Francisco, is now on 9670kc., 31.02m., from 3 p.m. to 6 p.m. and 10 p.m. to 3 a.m., but from 9.30 a.m. to 2.15 p.m. on 15,330kc., 19.56m., as usual. Re '''Mozambique'''. A letter to hand states they have changed to 30.88m., the station being CR7BE, which was on 9.64mc., and was then badly interfered with. The change was made on March 25. They ask for reports. Official Observer '''W. M. Chapman''' (Sydney) sends along a list of his loggings, together with com m ents:— 13 metres: V ery little value. 16 metres: TPB fa in t; others poor. 19 metres: GSF good forenoon and a fte rnoon. GSI good early evening and a.m . WGEA fa ir a.m . and p.m. KGEI good early afternoon. OAX4R fa ir afte r 7 a.m . Sunday 2R06 good signal a.m . and afternoon. 2R014 good p.m. RV96 quite a strong signal 1 p.m. 20 metres: Station on 20.58m . M ay be German oi* French. French spoken in early forenoon. 24 metres: HCJB still going strong, p.m. 25 metres: GSD strong afternoon and a.m. GSE fa ir a.m . W RUL still good a.m . W PIT fa ir a.m . WCBX fa ir a.m . Radio Saigon strong p.m . RNE strong 7 a.m . HP5A good 10 p.m. PRF5 Brazil, good 8.30 a.m . Sunday. CB1180 fa ir 9.30 p.m. VUD-4 strong p.m. M TCY fiair a.m . JZJ fa ir a.m . and p.m. JVW -3 good p.m. XGOY good p.m. XMHA fa ir p.m. 2R04 strong a.m . IQY strong a.m . Radio Maroc strong 7 a.m . 27 metres: PLP fa ir p.m. CSW-5 good a.m . early. 29 metres: PMN fa ir p.m. 30 metres: TGWA fa ir Sunday afternoons. ZHP good p.m. JIE-3 fa ir late p.m. CR7BE fa ir a.m . 31 metres: GSB good a.m . and afternoon. GSC very good a.m . KGEI good afternoon. TIPG good 10 p.m. KZRM good p.m ., but some nterference. (Probably WBOS.— E d .). KZRH very good p.m. ZBW only fa ir p.m. VUD-2 strong p.m. 2R03 good a.m . and afternoons. 2R09 good a.m . TAP good a.m . RAN good a.m . 41 metres: GSW fa ir afternoon. 2R011 fa ir 7.30 a.m . EAJ-9 fa ir 7 a.m . 44 metres: PMH strong p.m. 49 metres: VQ7LO good 5 a.m . Mr. Chapm an has a verification from Delhi advising correct call sign of station on the old VUM wavelength is VUD-4, and w avelength is 25.28 m etres. (Since this advice they have moved to ll,8 3 0 k c ., 25.36m ., e vidently to get aw ay from WLWO, who strangely enough interfere with Delhi on 31.28m .— E d ). Official Observer '''Wm. Bantow''' ( Edithvale, Vic.) received a letter from Delhi also regarding VUD-4. (See rem arks under M r. Chapm an's report.;— E d .). He also sends a long list of loggings:— North Am erica: WLWO (2 5 .27 m .) strong at 9.30 p.m. (bad heterodyne). 31.28 fa ir 10 a.m ., strong later. WCAB (31.28) fair 10 a.m . W RCA (3 1 .0 2 ) fa ir 10 a.m . KGEI strong 10 p.m. Australia: VLR-3, strong 9.30 a.m . VLW -3 strong 9.30 a.m ., fa ir 8 p.m. VLR strong at night. VLW -2 strong at 10.45 p.m. VLQ-5 strong 5 p.m. 11 p.m ., fades badly. VLQ strong 5 p.m. The East: KZRH (3 1 .1 2 ) fa irly strong (CW in terference). KZRM strong 9.30 p.m. KZRF (4 8 .8 6 ) fa ir 9 p.m. KZRC Cebu strong 8.45 p.m. (Q R M ). JZ K strong 8.45 p.'m. JZJ strong 10.30 p.m ., also at 6.15 a.m . JVW-3 strong 9.30 p.m. ZBW -3 strong 10.30 p.m. VUD-4 fa ir 10 p.m. VUD-2 strong 10.15 p.m. ZH P strong 10 p.m. ZHJ Penang (49.3m .) strong 10.15 p.m. Radio Saigon strong 10 p.m. (interfered by CW some tim e s). XGOY (2 5 .2 1 m .) strong nightly. FFZ (24.8 m .) strong 10.45 p.m. XPSA (4 2 .8 ) fa irly strong 9.30 p.m. XGOZ ( ll,9 2 0 k c ., 2 5.17m .) strong a t 8.30 p.m. A t 9.15 p.m. gave calls as XGOX and XGOV. YDC, YDX and PMH strong. PLP and PMN only fair. X YZ Rangoon (4 9 .94 m .) strong at 12.45 a.m . CSW-7 (3 0 .8 ) fa irly strong at 8.30 a.m . TAP (3 1 .70 ) strong 6.45 to 7.30 a.m . YU A Belgrade (4 9 .1 8 ) fa ir at 7 a.m . RV-96 (31.5m .) strong with English at 6 a.m . and 8 a.m . RV-96 (25.77-m.) fa irly strong in English at 8 a.m . 2RO-3 (3 1 .13 m .) strong with English 7.45 a.m . '''Changes of Schedule''' London now gives news at 11 p.m., instead of 11.15. FG8AA (49.00m.), Noumea, is now heard daily, except Sundays, from 5.30 to 6.30 p.m. When closing down, the Marseillaise is played, followed now by “God Save the King.” '''Europeans in Wonderful Form.''' '''Dr. Keith B. Gaden''' (Tharmogindah, Q.) Here is what Dr. Gaden says about his loggings: "From daylight to d ark the Europeans are in wonderful form , and the U .S.A . and S. A m ericans are well on the improve. From 2 p.m. I found ten worthwhile signals between XEWW (3 1 .58 m .) and COCQ '3 3 .9 8 m .), all of which sounded like Cubans or S.A .'s. TGWA (3 0 .98 m .) is very nice and clear at 2 p.m ., much better than XEQQ alongside. TG-2 Guatemala, a t R7, Q5, gave its call sign in plain English. A t 2.45 p.m . heard a very powerful South A m erican on approxim ately 31.77m . (Th is was probably HCODA Guyaquil, Ecuador, 9445 kc., 31.77m .— E d .). R E P O R T S W E L C O M E D With the international situation as it now stands, it is becoming increasingly difficult to keep track of European stations, which more than ever are taking advantage of the short-wave prerogative of changing schedule without notice; therefore reports will be welcomed. Even a few words may enable us to identify the “stranger,” of which there seems to be many at the moment. A t 5.30 W LW O (4 9 .5 m .), "T h e N ation's Statio n," closes with a very strong signal. FX8AA opens up nicely at 5.30. (Th is Noumean station which was heard only on W ednesdays and Saturdays, is now on the a ir daily except Sunday.— E d .). A t 6 p.m. w hat I take to be COCH was coming through at great volum e, and what I think was COCW cam e in a t good strength a t 9.40 p.m. Moscow gives a very fine signal a t 2.30 p.m. on 25.75m ., but no English was heard. (Moscow, on 19.76, gives a ta lk in English a t 10.15 a .m ., followed by news in English; reception for the last week has been exce llent.— E d .). H12G Trujillo (9.29m c., 3 2.29m .) opens at 2.30 p.m . with chim es, then a vocal hymn, followed by lady speaker. Q uality of signal is poor. Am ongst the morning stations heard, the following are worthy of m ention:— YUG Belgrade (1 9 .68 m .) is very good at noon. Martinique (30.92m.) opens up a t 8.30 a.m . Session is in French, and is generally gone by 10, although the other day it was quite O .K . at this hour. '''An Interesting Item.''' Heard a most interesting item on June 12 from YUC (3 1 .56 m .) at 9 a.m . W hilst the q uality was poor, I was able to learn th at a representative of the N .B.C . was to give a talk. A ll the N .B .C . stations re-broadcast it, and W RCA (3 1 .0 2 ), who are very good at this tim e, put over an R8, Q5 signal. The ta lk , which was certainly worth hearing, dealt with the Yugoslav reaction to Italy's entry into the W ar. Other morning stations a re : PSH Brazil (2 9 .35 m .) good a t 9 a .m ., weakens by 10. PYA-2 Rio de Janiero (3 2 .59 ) poor a t 8 a.m ., fa ir a t 9. PRF5 (2 5 .3 ) was not heard as DJP (2 5 .32 ) is very strong. Just above PYA-2, same strength, is HC2ET Guyaquil (3 2 .6 4 m .). They were heard at 8 a.m . To-day (Ju n e 1 5 ), at 9.5 a.m . on 29m ., were chim es very sim ilar to that of ORK. Q uality was poor. A t 10 a.m . the two C hilian stations, CB-1180 (2 5 .12 m .) and CB-1190 (2 5 .19 m .) were noted and an A sia tic on ap ­ proxim ately 25.18m . (T h is is probably XGOV, "Th e Voice of C h in a ."— E d .). CSW-7 (3 0 .8 ) was still on, but only fa ir; HJFK (3 0 .8 3 ) good and clear. Just above GRX at only fa ir quality wnar was most likely LRA-1 (3 0 .9 6 m .). W ould especially draw your attention to WBOS (3 1 .35 m .) in their News Flashes at 3.35 p.m ., which are excellent and, as events have turned out, accurate. * * * Mr. '''S. I. Nelson''' <AW 577-DX), Cairns, Queensland, sends an interesting report and advises hearing one or two "stra n g e rs." The first w as on 26.2m . and sounded like Spanish closing a t 5.30 p.m. (T h is m ay have been TG5JG Guatemala, who operate on 26.22m ., but who are supposed to go o ff the a ir a t 1.30.— E d .). The second is on 24.15m . and sounded like Russian. T h is closed at 5.45 p.m. (It is quite possible it m ay have been Moscow; they have sprung m any surprises lately as regards frequencies. They are likely to bob up anyw here.— E d .). '''Several New German Transmitters.''' Mr. Nelson says he heard several new German transm itters on H itler's birthday. (The two mentioned, v iz ., DXD (2 8 .5 m .) and DZB (29.86m .) are used for transm issions to A m erica. According to m y records the schedule is 9 to 10 a.m . and 6 a.m . to 1.45 p.m ., respectively.— E d .). I used to hear regularly CXA7 Montevideo (2 6 .13 m .) at 10 p.m ., but have not logged them lately. (I th in k they can be heard round about m id-day.— E d .). Some of the best Central and South A m ericans a re : TIPG, HP5A, COCH, COCQ, HP5J, CB1180, HJFK. The two M exicans, XEWW and XEQQ, put in loud signals a t Cairns in the afternoon. A nother -mystery station is on 32.5m . in the m ornings. It is interfered w ith by C .W . and is still on the a ir a t 8 a.m . (T h is is very likely PYA-2 Rio de Janiero, 32.59m .— E d .). The 49 m etre band is never of e n terta in ­ ment level here. O ccasionally it brightens up and a few stations are heard. I have logged the new M anila station, KZRC, "Th e Voice of C eb u," although very w eak here. I have just finished listening to COCQ. They gave an English session from 10 to 10.15 p.m. (S u n d a y). The Russian on 25.77m . w as on mmiimiimmiiiiimiMiiiiimiiiiiimiit WITH THE REPORTERS. With the exception of Tasmania, South Australia and West Australia, reports have reached us from all over Australia and both islands in New Zealand. Those who have helped in th’e compilation of the month’s loggings are:— Official Observers: '''Arthur T. Cushen''', Invercargill, N.Z. '''W. M. Chapman''', Kingsford, Sydney. '''Wm. Bantow''', Edithvale, Victoria. and '''Dr. Keith Gaden''', Tharmogindah, Queensland. Mr. '''S. I. Nelson''', Cairns, Queensland. Mr. '''Alf. Deppeler''', Edmonton, Queensland. Mr. '''V. W. Curran''', Bathurst, N.S.W. Mr. '''N. E. Gandy''', Wellington, N.Z. Sincere thanks are tendered. '1111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111' the a ir around 2.30 p.m . in p arallel with RNE (2 5 m .). (T h a n k you, Mr. Nelson, glad to welcome you to the D X Club, and w ill look forward to further reports.— E d .). Mr. V. W. Curran (Bathurst, N.S.W.) adv ses having received some nice verifications during last month or so. Here is the list: Vot.can City, W PIT, W RCA, HS8PJ, X YZ , HP59, Addis-Ababa, W RUL, HP5G. The fo rego- ng were in form of QSL cards, while from •: :••• -c re 'eceived letters of confirm a- * = f 'eports WLWO, M TCY, VQ7LO, COHI, CR7BE XPSA and HP5G. (A little m ail a n yone would be proud o f.— E d .). V ' Curran refers to hearing COCH 31.52r- a t 3.25 p.m. on Sunday, when, apar* from usual Cuban type of programm e, a ofrtery w as drawn. He could hear the mart»ies in the barrel while it w as rolled out; I should say rolled round. Figures were c a lled out and checked. The station closed at 6 p - m . Mon— stations are referred to as fo llo w s — SUX, Cairo , (3 8 .1 5 m .) 6 to 6.30. Io4m M fo c <25.1 3 m .), 7 a.m . LRX 31.06m . from 8.23 to 9 a .m ., R7 to R5. W RCA 38.10 to 8.23. I ------ *ere Delhi 31.28 at 1 1 p m . COCX 3 2 .6 ' 11 p .m .; COCO (34.48m ) 10.15 p r ZBW-3 ^ 3 1.4 9 m J, and all M anila stct z^s- YSP 125-85 opened a t II p.m. WLWO KZRC (49.1 m. * X Y Z < 4 9 .9 *n .l„ doses a r 1 a .m .t, R 9; XTC (32.28» opens a t 11 p.m . M r. Curran also refers to the seldom heard HI IN TrvpHo 12 4 9G kc 24.02m as opening c t ' p .— 2ca3SR»3; • Radio Tananarive ooe*~s ct ’ -3C a-r* S O T 1 a.m . as reported. M r. Curran concludes by sa> .ng he received a nice long letter froc- Station HP5G Panama City 25 4~~- signed by G . Williams, and c sx'v g fo r reoorrs from Australia. As reception improves. he proposes to put on a special DX programme. Further particulars c*er Geo. W .i e rrs of HOA and HP5G Panama City, -s the man who sent the famous signal in 1918 announcing the surrender of the German High Sea Fleet in Scapa Flow. He has spent much of his life in radio work and has a vast store of information available. He was due to put over a special DX programme on Monday, June 3 between noon and 1 p.m. Listeners should keep a look out for him. He wants reports, and address is: Box 3 4 , Panama City, Panama, Central America. Station HOA mentioned is on long waves, 2:34m c.— E d .). Mr. Alf. Deppeler (A W 535-D X), Edmonton, via Cairns, Q., sends a great list of loggings secured on two receivers, a 4 -valve t.r.f. and a 7 -valve all-w ave vibrator. GST, GSJ and GSH are classed as erratic, some nights being good. (Just as I commenced to write these notes (9.35 P - m . , June 27 ), I turned on the receiver and to my surprise I found all the three London transmitters on 13 metres audible, GSJ being surprisingly good. The signal was infinitely better than ZHP Singapore, and every word of the B .B .C . news could be heard.— E d .). New Station? Official Observer Wm. Bantow (AW353-DX), Edithvale, Victoria, advises as having heard Szechwan, on ll,920kc., 25.17m., with a strong signal a t 8.30 p.m. At 9.15 p.m. they gave call sign as ZGOX and XGOV. (This station is also heard as ‘'The Voice of China” at 7.30 a.m. with news in English.—Ed.). GSG (1 6 .8 6 ) very scratchy around 9.30 p.m. GSB, GSF and GSD are classed as good, GSF even being heard some nights at 9.30. GRX, GSW and GSA are classed as weak. (The interval signal on foreign broadcasts is actually a metronome.— E d .). GST (2 5 .2 9 ) good at 10.30 a.m . VLR strong at 6.30 p.m . and most of the night. VLW -3 very strong in early morning and late afternoons. VLW very good nightly. VPD-2 Suva, good a t 8.30 p .m .; FK8AA (4 9 m .) fair 6.20 p.m .; 2RO-3 (3 1 .1 3 ) good between 4 and 5 p.m. 2RO-20 (1 6 .87 m .) heard at 1.30 p.m . on Sunday in special broadcast to U.S^A. 2RO-4 (2 5 .4 0 m .) good at 8.15 a.m . M r. Deppeler finds most of the German transmitters O .K ., particularly DJL (1 9 .85 m .) at 3.15 p.'m. YDC, PLP, JZ K , JVW -3, KZRM , ZBW, KZRH and YDX are all classed as good to very good. RW96 (1 9 .7 6 ) very loud in afternoon. (Incidentally, this is one of the loudest stations on the air at 8.30 a.m ., when news in English is given.— E d .). W NBI, W PIT, EAQ, TAP, COCQ and RNE good. (Thanks, M r. Deppeler, hope to hear from you again .— E d .). Mr. N. E. Gandy < Wellington, N.Z.) sends another fine list of loggings, and it would appear most of the stations received in A u stra lia are being heard across the Tasm a r. Best reception times are 5-30 to 8 a.m . 10.30 a.m . to 1 p.m ., 2 .30 p.m . to 5 p.m. After that, things are patchy. The difference in ti'me helps N .Z ., as they get an hour and a half with CFRX (2 5 .60 ) on Sunday afternoons, 3 to 4.30 p.m. (5 to 6.30 .Z . . London, Rome, America and the East all give fine signals, while the South Americans, as well as Central America, are all given good reports. T6PG Costa Rica (31.19m .) is specially mentioned, as also is OAX4J Peru (32.12m . . Manila is being heard well, KZRM and K ZIB having choice of place. Regret that pressure of space prevents list being given in full. (Always glad to hear from the North Island. Please write again, Mr. Gandy.— E d .). ==P.35 - General Technical - Rola Introduces "Kappa" Cones== ==P.37 - Junior Technical - Hints and Tips== ==P.38 - Junior Technical - Building a Galvanometer== ==P.40 - Trade Notes - W. G. Watson Release 1940 Test Equipment== ==P.40 - Trade Notes - Meter Repairs== ==P.40 - Trade Notes - Free Resistor De-coder== ==P.41 - Speedy Query Service - Answers to Readers' Problems== ==P.42 - Trade Notes - Bargain Lines at Murdock's Radio Sale== {{BookCat}} d3mryedsgq35prpkewu2d6nyeku3bku 0 417632 4671630 4537529 2026-09-21T16:51:58Z Tyoyafud 6233 /* Changes from earlier version */ 4671630 wikitext text/x-wiki <noinclude>{{status|100%}}</noinclude> {{center/top}}[[File:The Earth seen from Apollo 17.jpg|thumb|'''Yubjo, ha mir gonbio yansauna gabyuxea dalzeyn.''' (''In the near future, the world will share a common auxiliary language.'')]]{{center/end}} '''Mirad''', formerly known as '''Unilingua''', is an artificially constructed auxiliary language ([http://www.quetzal.com/conlang.html conlang]) developed and published in 1966 by the now-deceased Paris-based author Noubar Agopoff as a serious medium for easy and logical international communication. Mirad, which means ''world speech'', and is pronounced ''mee-RAHD'', is categorized by constructed language experts as '''''taxonomic''''' or '''''ontological''''', because its vocabulary is mapped letter-by-letter to a semantic ontology or thesaurus. Also, the word-stock of Mirad is considered '''''a priori''''', meaning that there is no deliberate association with words or roots in existing natural languages. The vocabulary is '''''from scratch''''', yet based on internal lexical and semantic rules that help the learner to construct and deconstruct derivations '''''sytematically, logically, mnemonically, and consistently'''''. The author claims in his book <u>''Unilingua -- Langue universelle auxiliaire''</u><ref>[http://openlibrary.org/authors/OL2124066A/Noubar_Agopoff Agopoff, Noubar. Unilingua: Langue universelle auxiliaire, D-2647-66]</ref> that this language is well-suited for '''''universal''''', '''''logical''''' communication because it is based on principles already exploited globally by sciences like mathematics and chemistry, where symbolic formulas are constructed in accordance with strict rules and a limited sequence of symbols understood by all practitioners. == Principles == Mirad is constructed on the following principles: ::* Every vowel has '''''numeric, vectorial, scalar, semantic, or grammatical value'''''. ::* Every consonant is '''''meaningful''''' either lexically or grammatically. ::* Word derivation is '''''systematic, consistent, analogical, and mnemonic'''''. ::* Words are as '''''ontologically unambiguous''''' as possible. ::* Words are as '''''short and as easy to pronounce''''' as possible. ::* Inflection and derivation of words is '''''regular and predictable'''''. ::* Word opposites differ only in the stem vowel ('''iva'''....''happy''; '''uva'''....''sad''). ::* Words that have similar meanings will share all but one or two letters ('''iva'''....''happy''; '''ivra''' ....''joyful''). ::* All words in the language are constructed from fewer than '''''500 building blocks'''''. ::* Vocabulary in specialized and scientific fields is built on '''''internationally agreed conventions'''''. ::* The grammatical rules are '''''regular''''' and as simple as possible. ::* The vocabulary is totally '''''a priori and neutral''''' and not based on any existing language. ::* Formatives (derivational and inflexional prefixes, infixes, and suffixes) are '''''nonexponential''''', that is, each one has only one purpose or meaning. In other words, the language is non-fusional. == Changes from earlier version == :This book contains a revision of the language with additions and modifications to the original. The principal changes are: ::* The writing system now consists only of letters of the Latin alphabet, with '''''no diacritics'''''. ::* The letter '''w''' was added to mark the '''''passive voice''''' of verbs, among other things. ::* The letter '''s''' was changed to sound like the ''s'' in English ''<u>s</u>un''. ::* The letter '''x''' was changed to sound like the ''sh'' in English ''<u>sh</u>ow''. ::* The letter '''c''' was changed to sound like the ''ch'' in English ''<u>ch</u>air''. ::* The letter '''h''' was added, mainly to create a systematic set of '''''determiners''''' like ''this'', ''that'', and ''every''. ::* The letter '''q''' was added for certain scientific words and outside-imported words such as '''daiqiri''' or '''Qatar'''. ::* Grammatical '''''cases were eliminated''''' and replaced by prepositions. ::* Some '''''prepositions''''' and conjunctions were changed or added. ::* The definite article '''ha''' (''the'') was introduced. ::* Much '''''new vocabulary''''' was added and some words were altered. ::* The system of '''''determiners''''' was overhauled. ::* The manner of '''''encoding names of chemicals, metrical units, names of animals and plants''''' and other entities was changed. ::* The language was '''''gender-neutralized''''' but provided the means to mark gender where necessary. ::* The concept of hybrid words was created, such as '''yaob''' (''up and down''). [https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Linnaean_taxonomy|international Linnaean Taxonomy]. == Conventions in this book == : In this book: ::* Words in Mirad are '''boldfaced'''. ::* Words in English that are translations of Mirad are ''italicized''. ::* Technical grammatical terms in English are both '''''boldfaced and italicized'''''. : For example: ::* The Mirad word '''van''' means ''that'' and is a '''''positive subordinating conjunction.''''' == External links == * [[Mirad|Earlier version of Mirad (Unilingua)]] * [http://openlibrary.org/authors/OL2124066A/Noubar_Agopoff|Noubar Agopoff, author of Unilingua] * [[Wikipedia: Constructed_Language]] == References == <references/> <noinclude> {{BookCat}} {{Chapter navigation with TOC||Why Mirad?}}</noinclude> q8cegxn3cjl6aw1v3w76y098ksicpc3 0 417864 4671631 4669703 2026-09-21T17:08:33Z Tyoyafud 6233 /* Vocabulary Built on Native Roots */ 4671631 wikitext text/x-wiki == Vocabulary Built on Native Roots == <noinclude>{{status|100%}}</noinclude> : In English, we have many words like ''ichthyology'', which baffle younger speakers of the language, because they are borrowed from a foreign language, in this case, classical Greek. This word, which could just as easily and more rationally be the Anglicized ''fishlore'', means the science of fish. If a word in English relates to fish, why is ''fish'' not a part of the word? Even for modern day Greeks to understand the word '''ιχθυολογία (ichthyologia)''', they have to know the ancient root '''ιχθύς (ichthys)''' for ''fish'', which has long been supplanted by the current word everyone uses, '''ψάρι (psari)'''. What I'm saying is that the vocabulary of English, as is the case in many other natural languages, is a hodgepodge of borrowings, irregular spellings, and words cobbled from obscure roots that have little recognizability for the average speaker. : While English is a melting pot of words, there are some languages that do less borrowing and less non-discriminate formation of words that do not associate with one another through some root or pattern. Icelandic, for example, does not borrow very much from other languages and its words are formed using roots familiar to speakers of that language. The Icelandic word for ''library'' is '''bokasafn''', which literally, is ''book collection ( = saving)''. Any child in that language knows what the word means immediately, because it is composed of root words that are obvious. The simple English word ''library'' has nothing to do with the English word ''book'', just as ''cerebral'' has nothing to do with the word ''brain''. : Arabic, by contrast, is a language that has a system of word-building based on a rational association of consonants and vowel patterns, such that most words relating to books and writing contain the three consonants '''k-t-b'''. Over the centuries, the system has been polluted with irregularities, but at least the consciousness of associations of words based on a root pattern is there and is still used today to coin new words. [[File:Ozgur bilgi logo 6.png|thumb|]] : In Turkish, the bulk of words having to do with ''knowledge'' contain the native root '''bil-''' ('''know'''). Because of this, most of these words will be grouped on the same pages in a dictionary. For example: '''bildik''' ''known'', '''bildirim''' ''announcement'', '''bilecen''' ''know-it-all'', '''bilgi''' ''knowledge'', '''bilgili''' ''knowledgeable'', '''bilgin''' ''scholar'', etc. A word such as '''unknowability''' inevitably contains the root '''bil''' and can be learned fairly easily by a young student of the language. : Mirad has a vocabulary-building system with approximately 500 morphemes (word atoms or vocabulary building blocks) that are used to form derived words in the same sense family in accordance with a set of word-building rules. Words that are related semantically will share the same bulk of letters. (This type of language is called [[wikt:oligosynthetic|oligosynthetic]]. For example, '''iva''' (''happy''), '''ivla''' (''glad''), and '''ivra''' (''delighted'') share the root morpheme '''iv-''' and differ only in one letter. The opposite of happy is derived by switching the vowel in the root morpheme from '''i''' to the negative counterpart '''u''', such that '''uva''' means ''sad''. Similarly, '''uvla''' (''woeful'') and '''uvra''' (''tragic'') are opposite counterparts to the extended '''iv-''' words. : In Mirad, every letter of a word has some semantic or grammatical function. All words are part of a system. If you know the word for ''to lengthen'', then you automatically know the word for ''to shorten''. The rules for deriving new words from existing words are consistent across the language. In Mirad, there is no such thing as irregular conjugation of verbs as in English ''write, wrote, written''. Nouns are pluralized in one way only across the board, unlike the multiple, unpredictable ways German and Arabic words are pluralized. Prepositions have one meaning, as contrasted with the multiple, inscrutable meanings of Russian or Latin prepositions. : Words in Mirad are pronounced as they are written, with no exceptions. Only Roman letters are used in the alphabet, and there are no pesky diacritics (accents). Word stress is regular. : What if we took this root association to the maximum degree and ensured that all words in a language were constructed on logical, associational, and regular principles with roots that are obvious to the learner? That would be the way Mirad does it. == Deriving Opposites by Vowel-switching == : A very simple principle in Mirad is that a good portion of the vocabulary can be guessed by the learner without looking up words in the dictionary. All descriptive adjectives can be changed to their opposite with a simple change of vowel. For example, if you know '''fia''' (''good''), then you automatically know '''fua''' (''bad''). This is possible by knowing the rule of contrastive vowels: '''i''' is a positive vowel and contrasts with '''u''', a negative vowel. Similarly, '''a''' contrasts with '''o''', so that the opposite of '''aza''' (''strong'') is--you guessed it--'''oza''' (''weak''). In fact, if you know that '''e''' is an intermediate vowel, then you understand that '''eza''' means ''moderate''. These simple principles of word-building mean that students of the language can cut down on their learning time by at least 50%. == Using Consonants and Vowels to Vary Domains == : Another principle is that the beginning and/or closing consonants of a word in Mirad give you clues as to the meaning. All sentient creatures have the final stem consonant '''t''', such that '''dat''' (''friend''), '''tot''' (''god''), '''at''' (''I''), '''tuzut''' (''artist''), and '''pit''' (''fish'') all refer to sentient creatures. The root stems of all words having to do with communication, begin with the letter '''d''', eg. '''der''' (''to say''), '''dud''' (''answer''), '''dyes''' (''book''), '''dal''' (''speech''), etc. The internal vowels of root stems very often indicate concepts such as ''sky'', ''land'', ''sea'' or ''up'' vs. ''down'', or ''zeroth'', ''first'', ''second'', or ''toward the speaker'' vs. ''away from the speaker'', and on and on. == Scalarization == : In English, as in many other languages, there was probably some attempt to associate words in this way. Take for example, the series ''sing'', ''sang'', ''sung'', ''song'', ''singer'', ''songstress'' or ''drip'', ''drop'', ''droop'', ''dribble''. More often than not, there is very little association among English words that are obviously distinguished by the one feature, '''''size''''', eg. ''mountain'', ''hill'', ''knob'', ''bump'', ''pimple''. In Mirad, these are all distinguished regularly by a scalarizing enumerative vowel. The Mirad days of the week are not a series of Roman- or Teutonic-related concepts, '''Moon-day''', '''Tiw&apos;s-day''', '''Woden&apos;s-day''', '''Thor&apos;s-day''', '''Freya&apos;s-day''', '''Saturn-day''', and '''Sun-day''', all of which are a matter of memorization by the child or student of the language. Mirad days of the week consist rather of a series of words numerically arranged "day-one, day-two, day-three, etc." This is actually the approach taken by quite a few natural languages like Portuguese. : The months, too, ought to be learned in 10 seconds, by knowing that an internal vowel of the root expresses the numerical order of the months. Again, there are some natural languages that do this. By knowing that '''jiab''' means '''month one, January''', then by knowing how to count in the language, the word for September can be readily deduced as '''ji<u>yu</u>b''' (''month <u>nine</u>'', '''yu''' being the number for ''9''). == Taxonomy == [[File:Biological classification L Pengo vflip.svg|thumb|]] : The formulaic language of chemistry is a pretty good likeness of Mirad. There is a world-recognized symbolic, taxonomic relationship between H₂O and C₂O. Similarly, in Mirad, the stem vowels of the names of animals indicate their primary habitat: air, land, sea, or combinations of these. Other combinations of letters indicate whether the animal is domestic, predatory, wild, etc. From then on, syllables taken from their Linnaeus classification are used. Likewise, with human and animal body terms, the stem vowel indicates location on the body, such as head, trunk, or limbs. Then another vowel delineates in a directional way where on the head: upper, middle, lower, and so forth. Just by looking at the word for a body part for the first time, by knowing the system, you can tell at least approximately that it is, say, a higher part of the leg. Color words are based on their position on nature's color spectrum. Governmental and courtly powerholders and other hierarchical elements are ranked by an ordinal vowel, eg. '''adeb''' (''emperor''), '''edeb''' (''monarch''), '''ideb''' (''prince''), '''udeb''' (''duke''), etc. The names of the planets are enumerated by their relative distance from the sun, so: '''<u>a</u>mer''' (planet <u>1</u> = Mercury), '''<u>e</u>mer''' (planet <u>2</u> = Mars), '''<u>i</u>mer''' (planet <u>3</u> = Earth), etc. Chemical element names are formed from their international abbreviation. == Mnemonics == Words in the language can be mnemonically associated to body terms by changing the initial domain consonant accordingly, so, while '''teb''' means ''head'', '''xeb''' in the '''x''' or ''work/action domain'' is ''boss'', '''deb''' in the social/political domain is ''leader'', etc. : The following chart shows in this mnemonic echoing in action, where the letters before '''-ub''' suggest the domain: <div style="font-size:smaller;"> ::{| class="wikitable" style="background: lightyellow;{{Text default color}};" |+ Mnemonic Echoing |- ! DOMAIN !! WORD |- | human (body) || '''tub'''....''arm'' |- | work/action || '''xub'''....''subsidiary, branch'' |- | plants || '''fub'''....''limb, branch, bough(of a tree)'' |- | fish || '''pitub'''....''fin'' |- | birds || '''patub'''....''wing'' |- | animal || '''potub'''....''paw'' |- | land-sea animal || '''peitub'''....''flipper'' |- | shoe || '''tyoyafub'''....''(scuba-diving) flipper'' |- | vegetation || '''vub'''....''shoot, sprig, twig'' |- | society/politics || '''dub'''....''minister, department head'' |- | building || '''tomub'''....''wing (of a building)'' |- | land || '''mub'''....''promontory'' |- | river || '''mifub'''....''oar'' |- | things || '''sub'''....''ramification, offshoot'' |- | table || '''semub'''....''flap (of a table)'' |- | rotating things || '''zyufub'''....''rudder'' |- | flat || '''zyifub'''....''paddle'' |- | round || '''zyub'''....''lobe'' |} </div> == Conclusion == Mirad uses many different techniques to short-cut the difficulty of learning new words or recognizing terms. The vowels, consonants, mnemonics, scalarization, taxonomy and many other methods are used to make the vocabulary as rational and intuitive as possible. Unlike in most natural languages, words like ''snow'' and ''sleet'' are going to have sounds in common in Mirad. I have never found a language other than Mirad where the words for ''ice'', ''water'', and ''steam'' are derived from one another even though we know they are actually all H₂O in different physical states. <noinclude> {{Chapter navigation with TOC|Introduction|Alphabet}}</noinclude> mri7cb9ahn2gpwh536augwwa5yc0zko 4671632 4671631 2026-09-21T17:10:01Z Tyoyafud 6233 /* Scalarization */ 4671632 wikitext text/x-wiki == Vocabulary Built on Native Roots == <noinclude>{{status|100%}}</noinclude> : In English, we have many words like ''ichthyology'', which baffle younger speakers of the language, because they are borrowed from a foreign language, in this case, classical Greek. This word, which could just as easily and more rationally be the Anglicized ''fishlore'', means the science of fish. If a word in English relates to fish, why is ''fish'' not a part of the word? Even for modern day Greeks to understand the word '''ιχθυολογία (ichthyologia)''', they have to know the ancient root '''ιχθύς (ichthys)''' for ''fish'', which has long been supplanted by the current word everyone uses, '''ψάρι (psari)'''. What I'm saying is that the vocabulary of English, as is the case in many other natural languages, is a hodgepodge of borrowings, irregular spellings, and words cobbled from obscure roots that have little recognizability for the average speaker. : While English is a melting pot of words, there are some languages that do less borrowing and less non-discriminate formation of words that do not associate with one another through some root or pattern. Icelandic, for example, does not borrow very much from other languages and its words are formed using roots familiar to speakers of that language. The Icelandic word for ''library'' is '''bokasafn''', which literally, is ''book collection ( = saving)''. Any child in that language knows what the word means immediately, because it is composed of root words that are obvious. The simple English word ''library'' has nothing to do with the English word ''book'', just as ''cerebral'' has nothing to do with the word ''brain''. : Arabic, by contrast, is a language that has a system of word-building based on a rational association of consonants and vowel patterns, such that most words relating to books and writing contain the three consonants '''k-t-b'''. Over the centuries, the system has been polluted with irregularities, but at least the consciousness of associations of words based on a root pattern is there and is still used today to coin new words. [[File:Ozgur bilgi logo 6.png|thumb|]] : In Turkish, the bulk of words having to do with ''knowledge'' contain the native root '''bil-''' ('''know'''). Because of this, most of these words will be grouped on the same pages in a dictionary. For example: '''bildik''' ''known'', '''bildirim''' ''announcement'', '''bilecen''' ''know-it-all'', '''bilgi''' ''knowledge'', '''bilgili''' ''knowledgeable'', '''bilgin''' ''scholar'', etc. A word such as '''unknowability''' inevitably contains the root '''bil''' and can be learned fairly easily by a young student of the language. : Mirad has a vocabulary-building system with approximately 500 morphemes (word atoms or vocabulary building blocks) that are used to form derived words in the same sense family in accordance with a set of word-building rules. Words that are related semantically will share the same bulk of letters. (This type of language is called [[wikt:oligosynthetic|oligosynthetic]]. For example, '''iva''' (''happy''), '''ivla''' (''glad''), and '''ivra''' (''delighted'') share the root morpheme '''iv-''' and differ only in one letter. The opposite of happy is derived by switching the vowel in the root morpheme from '''i''' to the negative counterpart '''u''', such that '''uva''' means ''sad''. Similarly, '''uvla''' (''woeful'') and '''uvra''' (''tragic'') are opposite counterparts to the extended '''iv-''' words. : In Mirad, every letter of a word has some semantic or grammatical function. All words are part of a system. If you know the word for ''to lengthen'', then you automatically know the word for ''to shorten''. The rules for deriving new words from existing words are consistent across the language. In Mirad, there is no such thing as irregular conjugation of verbs as in English ''write, wrote, written''. Nouns are pluralized in one way only across the board, unlike the multiple, unpredictable ways German and Arabic words are pluralized. Prepositions have one meaning, as contrasted with the multiple, inscrutable meanings of Russian or Latin prepositions. : Words in Mirad are pronounced as they are written, with no exceptions. Only Roman letters are used in the alphabet, and there are no pesky diacritics (accents). Word stress is regular. : What if we took this root association to the maximum degree and ensured that all words in a language were constructed on logical, associational, and regular principles with roots that are obvious to the learner? That would be the way Mirad does it. == Deriving Opposites by Vowel-switching == : A very simple principle in Mirad is that a good portion of the vocabulary can be guessed by the learner without looking up words in the dictionary. All descriptive adjectives can be changed to their opposite with a simple change of vowel. For example, if you know '''fia''' (''good''), then you automatically know '''fua''' (''bad''). This is possible by knowing the rule of contrastive vowels: '''i''' is a positive vowel and contrasts with '''u''', a negative vowel. Similarly, '''a''' contrasts with '''o''', so that the opposite of '''aza''' (''strong'') is--you guessed it--'''oza''' (''weak''). In fact, if you know that '''e''' is an intermediate vowel, then you understand that '''eza''' means ''moderate''. These simple principles of word-building mean that students of the language can cut down on their learning time by at least 50%. == Using Consonants and Vowels to Vary Domains == : Another principle is that the beginning and/or closing consonants of a word in Mirad give you clues as to the meaning. All sentient creatures have the final stem consonant '''t''', such that '''dat''' (''friend''), '''tot''' (''god''), '''at''' (''I''), '''tuzut''' (''artist''), and '''pit''' (''fish'') all refer to sentient creatures. The root stems of all words having to do with communication, begin with the letter '''d''', eg. '''der''' (''to say''), '''dud''' (''answer''), '''dyes''' (''book''), '''dal''' (''speech''), etc. The internal vowels of root stems very often indicate concepts such as ''sky'', ''land'', ''sea'' or ''up'' vs. ''down'', or ''zeroth'', ''first'', ''second'', or ''toward the speaker'' vs. ''away from the speaker'', and on and on. == Scalarization == : In English, as in many other languages, there was probably some attempt to associate words in this way. Take for example, the series ''sing'', ''sang'', ''sung'', ''song'', ''singer'', ''songstress'' or ''drip'', ''drop'', ''droop'', ''dribble''. More often than not, there is very little association among English words that are obviously distinguished by the one feature, '''''size''''', eg. ''mountain'', ''hill'', ''knob'', ''bump'', ''pimple''. In Mirad, these are all distinguished regularly by a scalarizing enumerative vowel. The Mirad days of the week are not a series of Roman- or Teutonic-related concepts, '''Moon-day''', '''Tiw&apos;s-day''', '''Woden&apos;s-day''', '''Thor&apos;s-day''', '''Freya&apos;s-day''', '''Saturn-day''', and '''Sun-day''', all of which are a matter of memorization by the child or student of the language. Mirad days of the week consist rather of a series of words numerically arranged "day-one, day-two, day-three, etc." This is actually the approach taken by quite a few natural languages like Portuguese. : The months, too, ought to be learned in 10 seconds, by knowing that an internal vowel of the root expresses the numerical order of the months. Again, there are some natural languages that do this. By knowing that '''jiab''' means ''month one, January'', then by knowing how to count in the language, the word for September can be readily deduced as '''ji<u>yu</u>b''' (''month <u>nine</u>'', '''yu''' being the number for ''9''). == Taxonomy == [[File:Biological classification L Pengo vflip.svg|thumb|]] : The formulaic language of chemistry is a pretty good likeness of Mirad. There is a world-recognized symbolic, taxonomic relationship between H₂O and C₂O. Similarly, in Mirad, the stem vowels of the names of animals indicate their primary habitat: air, land, sea, or combinations of these. Other combinations of letters indicate whether the animal is domestic, predatory, wild, etc. From then on, syllables taken from their Linnaeus classification are used. Likewise, with human and animal body terms, the stem vowel indicates location on the body, such as head, trunk, or limbs. Then another vowel delineates in a directional way where on the head: upper, middle, lower, and so forth. Just by looking at the word for a body part for the first time, by knowing the system, you can tell at least approximately that it is, say, a higher part of the leg. Color words are based on their position on nature's color spectrum. Governmental and courtly powerholders and other hierarchical elements are ranked by an ordinal vowel, eg. '''adeb''' (''emperor''), '''edeb''' (''monarch''), '''ideb''' (''prince''), '''udeb''' (''duke''), etc. The names of the planets are enumerated by their relative distance from the sun, so: '''<u>a</u>mer''' (planet <u>1</u> = Mercury), '''<u>e</u>mer''' (planet <u>2</u> = Mars), '''<u>i</u>mer''' (planet <u>3</u> = Earth), etc. Chemical element names are formed from their international abbreviation. == Mnemonics == Words in the language can be mnemonically associated to body terms by changing the initial domain consonant accordingly, so, while '''teb''' means ''head'', '''xeb''' in the '''x''' or ''work/action domain'' is ''boss'', '''deb''' in the social/political domain is ''leader'', etc. : The following chart shows in this mnemonic echoing in action, where the letters before '''-ub''' suggest the domain: <div style="font-size:smaller;"> ::{| class="wikitable" style="background: lightyellow;{{Text default color}};" |+ Mnemonic Echoing |- ! DOMAIN !! WORD |- | human (body) || '''tub'''....''arm'' |- | work/action || '''xub'''....''subsidiary, branch'' |- | plants || '''fub'''....''limb, branch, bough(of a tree)'' |- | fish || '''pitub'''....''fin'' |- | birds || '''patub'''....''wing'' |- | animal || '''potub'''....''paw'' |- | land-sea animal || '''peitub'''....''flipper'' |- | shoe || '''tyoyafub'''....''(scuba-diving) flipper'' |- | vegetation || '''vub'''....''shoot, sprig, twig'' |- | society/politics || '''dub'''....''minister, department head'' |- | building || '''tomub'''....''wing (of a building)'' |- | land || '''mub'''....''promontory'' |- | river || '''mifub'''....''oar'' |- | things || '''sub'''....''ramification, offshoot'' |- | table || '''semub'''....''flap (of a table)'' |- | rotating things || '''zyufub'''....''rudder'' |- | flat || '''zyifub'''....''paddle'' |- | round || '''zyub'''....''lobe'' |} </div> == Conclusion == Mirad uses many different techniques to short-cut the difficulty of learning new words or recognizing terms. The vowels, consonants, mnemonics, scalarization, taxonomy and many other methods are used to make the vocabulary as rational and intuitive as possible. Unlike in most natural languages, words like ''snow'' and ''sleet'' are going to have sounds in common in Mirad. I have never found a language other than Mirad where the words for ''ice'', ''water'', and ''steam'' are derived from one another even though we know they are actually all H₂O in different physical states. <noinclude> {{Chapter navigation with TOC|Introduction|Alphabet}}</noinclude> 6kbr9twwfsd6g424d0ps75uxv2a2j4h 4671634 4671632 2026-09-21T17:32:29Z Tyoyafud 6233 /* Vocabulary Built on Native Roots */ 4671634 wikitext text/x-wiki == Vocabulary Built on Native Roots == <noinclude>{{status|100%}}</noinclude> : In English, we have many words like ''ichthyology'', which baffle younger speakers of the language, because they are borrowed from a foreign language, in this case, classical Greek. This word, which could just as easily and more rationally be the Anglicized ''fishlore'', means the science of fish. If a word in English relates to fish, why is ''fish'' not a part of the word? Even for modern day Greeks to understand the word '''ιχθυολογία (ichthyologia)''', they have to know the ancient root '''ιχθύς (ichthys)''' for ''fish'', which has long been supplanted by the current word everyone uses, '''ψάρι (psari)'''. What I'm saying is that the vocabulary of English, as is the case in many other natural languages, is a hodgepodge of borrowings, irregular spellings, and words cobbled from obscure roots that have little recognizability for the average speaker. : While English is a melting pot of words, there are some languages that do less borrowing and less non-discriminate formation of words that do not associate with one another through some root or pattern. Icelandic, for example, does not borrow very much from other languages and its words are formed using roots familiar to speakers of that language. The Icelandic word for ''library'' is '''bokasafn''', which literally, is ''book collection ( = saving)''. Any child in that language knows what the word means immediately, because it is composed of root words that are obvious. The simple English word ''library'' has nothing to do with the English word ''book'', just as ''cerebral'' has nothing to do with the word ''brain''. : Arabic, by contrast, is a language that has a system of word-building based on a rational association of consonants and vowel patterns, such that most words relating to books and writing contain the three consonants '''k-t-b'''. Over the centuries, the system has been polluted with irregularities, but at least the consciousness of associations of words based on a root pattern is there and is still used today to coin new words. : In Turkish, the bulk of words having to do with ''knowledge'' contain the native root '''bil-''' (''know''). Because of this, most of these words will be grouped on the same pages in a dictionary. For example: '''bildik''' ''known'', '''bildirim''' ''announcement'', '''bilecen''' ''know-it-all'', '''bilgi''' ''knowledge'', '''bilgili''' ''knowledgeable'', '''bilgin''' ''scholar'', etc. A word such as '''unknowability''' inevitably contains the root '''bil''' and can be learned fairly easily by a young student of the language. : Mirad has a vocabulary-building system with approximately 500 morphemes (word atoms or vocabulary building blocks) that are used to form derived words in the same sense family in accordance with a set of word-building rules. Words that are related semantically will share the same bulk of letters. (This type of language is called [[wikt:oligosynthetic|oligosynthetic]]. For example, '''iva''' (''happy''), '''ivla''' (''glad''), and '''ivra''' (''delighted'') share the root morpheme '''iv-''' and differ only in one letter. The opposite of happy is derived by switching the vowel in the root morpheme from '''i''' to the negative counterpart '''u''', such that '''uva''' means ''sad''. Similarly, '''uvla''' (''woeful'') and '''uvra''' (''tragic'') are opposite counterparts to the extended '''iv-''' words. : In Mirad, every letter of a word has some semantic or grammatical function. All words are part of a system. If you know the word for ''to lengthen'', then you automatically know the word for ''to shorten''. The rules for deriving new words from existing words are consistent across the language. In Mirad, there is no such thing as irregular conjugation of verbs as in English ''write, wrote, written''. Nouns are pluralized in one way only across the board, unlike the multiple, unpredictable ways German and Arabic words are pluralized. Prepositions have one meaning, as contrasted with the multiple, inscrutable meanings of Russian or Latin prepositions. : Words in Mirad are pronounced as they are written, with no exceptions. Only Roman letters are used in the alphabet, and there are no pesky diacritics (accents). Word stress is regular. : What if we took this root association to the maximum degree and ensured that all words in a language were constructed on logical, associational, and regular principles with roots that are obvious to the learner? That would be the way Mirad does it. == Deriving Opposites by Vowel-switching == : A very simple principle in Mirad is that a good portion of the vocabulary can be guessed by the learner without looking up words in the dictionary. All descriptive adjectives can be changed to their opposite with a simple change of vowel. For example, if you know '''fia''' (''good''), then you automatically know '''fua''' (''bad''). This is possible by knowing the rule of contrastive vowels: '''i''' is a positive vowel and contrasts with '''u''', a negative vowel. Similarly, '''a''' contrasts with '''o''', so that the opposite of '''aza''' (''strong'') is--you guessed it--'''oza''' (''weak''). In fact, if you know that '''e''' is an intermediate vowel, then you understand that '''eza''' means ''moderate''. These simple principles of word-building mean that students of the language can cut down on their learning time by at least 50%. == Using Consonants and Vowels to Vary Domains == : Another principle is that the beginning and/or closing consonants of a word in Mirad give you clues as to the meaning. All sentient creatures have the final stem consonant '''t''', such that '''dat''' (''friend''), '''tot''' (''god''), '''at''' (''I''), '''tuzut''' (''artist''), and '''pit''' (''fish'') all refer to sentient creatures. The root stems of all words having to do with communication, begin with the letter '''d''', eg. '''der''' (''to say''), '''dud''' (''answer''), '''dyes''' (''book''), '''dal''' (''speech''), etc. The internal vowels of root stems very often indicate concepts such as ''sky'', ''land'', ''sea'' or ''up'' vs. ''down'', or ''zeroth'', ''first'', ''second'', or ''toward the speaker'' vs. ''away from the speaker'', and on and on. == Scalarization == : In English, as in many other languages, there was probably some attempt to associate words in this way. Take for example, the series ''sing'', ''sang'', ''sung'', ''song'', ''singer'', ''songstress'' or ''drip'', ''drop'', ''droop'', ''dribble''. More often than not, there is very little association among English words that are obviously distinguished by the one feature, '''''size''''', eg. ''mountain'', ''hill'', ''knob'', ''bump'', ''pimple''. In Mirad, these are all distinguished regularly by a scalarizing enumerative vowel. The Mirad days of the week are not a series of Roman- or Teutonic-related concepts, '''Moon-day''', '''Tiw&apos;s-day''', '''Woden&apos;s-day''', '''Thor&apos;s-day''', '''Freya&apos;s-day''', '''Saturn-day''', and '''Sun-day''', all of which are a matter of memorization by the child or student of the language. Mirad days of the week consist rather of a series of words numerically arranged "day-one, day-two, day-three, etc." This is actually the approach taken by quite a few natural languages like Portuguese. : The months, too, ought to be learned in 10 seconds, by knowing that an internal vowel of the root expresses the numerical order of the months. Again, there are some natural languages that do this. By knowing that '''jiab''' means ''month one, January'', then by knowing how to count in the language, the word for September can be readily deduced as '''ji<u>yu</u>b''' (''month <u>nine</u>'', '''yu''' being the number for ''9''). == Taxonomy == [[File:Biological classification L Pengo vflip.svg|thumb|]] : The formulaic language of chemistry is a pretty good likeness of Mirad. There is a world-recognized symbolic, taxonomic relationship between H₂O and C₂O. Similarly, in Mirad, the stem vowels of the names of animals indicate their primary habitat: air, land, sea, or combinations of these. Other combinations of letters indicate whether the animal is domestic, predatory, wild, etc. From then on, syllables taken from their Linnaeus classification are used. Likewise, with human and animal body terms, the stem vowel indicates location on the body, such as head, trunk, or limbs. Then another vowel delineates in a directional way where on the head: upper, middle, lower, and so forth. Just by looking at the word for a body part for the first time, by knowing the system, you can tell at least approximately that it is, say, a higher part of the leg. Color words are based on their position on nature's color spectrum. Governmental and courtly powerholders and other hierarchical elements are ranked by an ordinal vowel, eg. '''adeb''' (''emperor''), '''edeb''' (''monarch''), '''ideb''' (''prince''), '''udeb''' (''duke''), etc. The names of the planets are enumerated by their relative distance from the sun, so: '''<u>a</u>mer''' (planet <u>1</u> = Mercury), '''<u>e</u>mer''' (planet <u>2</u> = Mars), '''<u>i</u>mer''' (planet <u>3</u> = Earth), etc. Chemical element names are formed from their international abbreviation. == Mnemonics == Words in the language can be mnemonically associated to body terms by changing the initial domain consonant accordingly, so, while '''teb''' means ''head'', '''xeb''' in the '''x''' or ''work/action domain'' is ''boss'', '''deb''' in the social/political domain is ''leader'', etc. : The following chart shows in this mnemonic echoing in action, where the letters before '''-ub''' suggest the domain: <div style="font-size:smaller;"> ::{| class="wikitable" style="background: lightyellow;{{Text default color}};" |+ Mnemonic Echoing |- ! DOMAIN !! WORD |- | human (body) || '''tub'''....''arm'' |- | work/action || '''xub'''....''subsidiary, branch'' |- | plants || '''fub'''....''limb, branch, bough(of a tree)'' |- | fish || '''pitub'''....''fin'' |- | birds || '''patub'''....''wing'' |- | animal || '''potub'''....''paw'' |- | land-sea animal || '''peitub'''....''flipper'' |- | shoe || '''tyoyafub'''....''(scuba-diving) flipper'' |- | vegetation || '''vub'''....''shoot, sprig, twig'' |- | society/politics || '''dub'''....''minister, department head'' |- | building || '''tomub'''....''wing (of a building)'' |- | land || '''mub'''....''promontory'' |- | river || '''mifub'''....''oar'' |- | things || '''sub'''....''ramification, offshoot'' |- | table || '''semub'''....''flap (of a table)'' |- | rotating things || '''zyufub'''....''rudder'' |- | flat || '''zyifub'''....''paddle'' |- | round || '''zyub'''....''lobe'' |} </div> == Conclusion == Mirad uses many different techniques to short-cut the difficulty of learning new words or recognizing terms. The vowels, consonants, mnemonics, scalarization, taxonomy and many other methods are used to make the vocabulary as rational and intuitive as possible. Unlike in most natural languages, words like ''snow'' and ''sleet'' are going to have sounds in common in Mirad. I have never found a language other than Mirad where the words for ''ice'', ''water'', and ''steam'' are derived from one another even though we know they are actually all H₂O in different physical states. <noinclude> {{Chapter navigation with TOC|Introduction|Alphabet}}</noinclude> 3u5vekcl42haqn9yxc05glu3imfnzkn 4671635 4671634 2026-09-21T17:33:50Z Tyoyafud 6233 /* Taxonomy */ 4671635 wikitext text/x-wiki == Vocabulary Built on Native Roots == <noinclude>{{status|100%}}</noinclude> : In English, we have many words like ''ichthyology'', which baffle younger speakers of the language, because they are borrowed from a foreign language, in this case, classical Greek. This word, which could just as easily and more rationally be the Anglicized ''fishlore'', means the science of fish. If a word in English relates to fish, why is ''fish'' not a part of the word? Even for modern day Greeks to understand the word '''ιχθυολογία (ichthyologia)''', they have to know the ancient root '''ιχθύς (ichthys)''' for ''fish'', which has long been supplanted by the current word everyone uses, '''ψάρι (psari)'''. What I'm saying is that the vocabulary of English, as is the case in many other natural languages, is a hodgepodge of borrowings, irregular spellings, and words cobbled from obscure roots that have little recognizability for the average speaker. : While English is a melting pot of words, there are some languages that do less borrowing and less non-discriminate formation of words that do not associate with one another through some root or pattern. Icelandic, for example, does not borrow very much from other languages and its words are formed using roots familiar to speakers of that language. The Icelandic word for ''library'' is '''bokasafn''', which literally, is ''book collection ( = saving)''. Any child in that language knows what the word means immediately, because it is composed of root words that are obvious. The simple English word ''library'' has nothing to do with the English word ''book'', just as ''cerebral'' has nothing to do with the word ''brain''. : Arabic, by contrast, is a language that has a system of word-building based on a rational association of consonants and vowel patterns, such that most words relating to books and writing contain the three consonants '''k-t-b'''. Over the centuries, the system has been polluted with irregularities, but at least the consciousness of associations of words based on a root pattern is there and is still used today to coin new words. : In Turkish, the bulk of words having to do with ''knowledge'' contain the native root '''bil-''' (''know''). Because of this, most of these words will be grouped on the same pages in a dictionary. For example: '''bildik''' ''known'', '''bildirim''' ''announcement'', '''bilecen''' ''know-it-all'', '''bilgi''' ''knowledge'', '''bilgili''' ''knowledgeable'', '''bilgin''' ''scholar'', etc. A word such as '''unknowability''' inevitably contains the root '''bil''' and can be learned fairly easily by a young student of the language. : Mirad has a vocabulary-building system with approximately 500 morphemes (word atoms or vocabulary building blocks) that are used to form derived words in the same sense family in accordance with a set of word-building rules. Words that are related semantically will share the same bulk of letters. (This type of language is called [[wikt:oligosynthetic|oligosynthetic]]. For example, '''iva''' (''happy''), '''ivla''' (''glad''), and '''ivra''' (''delighted'') share the root morpheme '''iv-''' and differ only in one letter. The opposite of happy is derived by switching the vowel in the root morpheme from '''i''' to the negative counterpart '''u''', such that '''uva''' means ''sad''. Similarly, '''uvla''' (''woeful'') and '''uvra''' (''tragic'') are opposite counterparts to the extended '''iv-''' words. : In Mirad, every letter of a word has some semantic or grammatical function. All words are part of a system. If you know the word for ''to lengthen'', then you automatically know the word for ''to shorten''. The rules for deriving new words from existing words are consistent across the language. In Mirad, there is no such thing as irregular conjugation of verbs as in English ''write, wrote, written''. Nouns are pluralized in one way only across the board, unlike the multiple, unpredictable ways German and Arabic words are pluralized. Prepositions have one meaning, as contrasted with the multiple, inscrutable meanings of Russian or Latin prepositions. : Words in Mirad are pronounced as they are written, with no exceptions. Only Roman letters are used in the alphabet, and there are no pesky diacritics (accents). Word stress is regular. : What if we took this root association to the maximum degree and ensured that all words in a language were constructed on logical, associational, and regular principles with roots that are obvious to the learner? That would be the way Mirad does it. == Deriving Opposites by Vowel-switching == : A very simple principle in Mirad is that a good portion of the vocabulary can be guessed by the learner without looking up words in the dictionary. All descriptive adjectives can be changed to their opposite with a simple change of vowel. For example, if you know '''fia''' (''good''), then you automatically know '''fua''' (''bad''). This is possible by knowing the rule of contrastive vowels: '''i''' is a positive vowel and contrasts with '''u''', a negative vowel. Similarly, '''a''' contrasts with '''o''', so that the opposite of '''aza''' (''strong'') is--you guessed it--'''oza''' (''weak''). In fact, if you know that '''e''' is an intermediate vowel, then you understand that '''eza''' means ''moderate''. These simple principles of word-building mean that students of the language can cut down on their learning time by at least 50%. == Using Consonants and Vowels to Vary Domains == : Another principle is that the beginning and/or closing consonants of a word in Mirad give you clues as to the meaning. All sentient creatures have the final stem consonant '''t''', such that '''dat''' (''friend''), '''tot''' (''god''), '''at''' (''I''), '''tuzut''' (''artist''), and '''pit''' (''fish'') all refer to sentient creatures. The root stems of all words having to do with communication, begin with the letter '''d''', eg. '''der''' (''to say''), '''dud''' (''answer''), '''dyes''' (''book''), '''dal''' (''speech''), etc. The internal vowels of root stems very often indicate concepts such as ''sky'', ''land'', ''sea'' or ''up'' vs. ''down'', or ''zeroth'', ''first'', ''second'', or ''toward the speaker'' vs. ''away from the speaker'', and on and on. == Scalarization == : In English, as in many other languages, there was probably some attempt to associate words in this way. Take for example, the series ''sing'', ''sang'', ''sung'', ''song'', ''singer'', ''songstress'' or ''drip'', ''drop'', ''droop'', ''dribble''. More often than not, there is very little association among English words that are obviously distinguished by the one feature, '''''size''''', eg. ''mountain'', ''hill'', ''knob'', ''bump'', ''pimple''. In Mirad, these are all distinguished regularly by a scalarizing enumerative vowel. The Mirad days of the week are not a series of Roman- or Teutonic-related concepts, '''Moon-day''', '''Tiw&apos;s-day''', '''Woden&apos;s-day''', '''Thor&apos;s-day''', '''Freya&apos;s-day''', '''Saturn-day''', and '''Sun-day''', all of which are a matter of memorization by the child or student of the language. Mirad days of the week consist rather of a series of words numerically arranged "day-one, day-two, day-three, etc." This is actually the approach taken by quite a few natural languages like Portuguese. : The months, too, ought to be learned in 10 seconds, by knowing that an internal vowel of the root expresses the numerical order of the months. Again, there are some natural languages that do this. By knowing that '''jiab''' means ''month one, January'', then by knowing how to count in the language, the word for September can be readily deduced as '''ji<u>yu</u>b''' (''month <u>nine</u>'', '''yu''' being the number for ''9''). == Mnemonics == Words in the language can be mnemonically associated to body terms by changing the initial domain consonant accordingly, so, while '''teb''' means ''head'', '''xeb''' in the '''x''' or ''work/action domain'' is ''boss'', '''deb''' in the social/political domain is ''leader'', etc. : The following chart shows in this mnemonic echoing in action, where the letters before '''-ub''' suggest the domain: <div style="font-size:smaller;"> ::{| class="wikitable" style="background: lightyellow;{{Text default color}};" |+ Mnemonic Echoing |- ! DOMAIN !! WORD |- | human (body) || '''tub'''....''arm'' |- | work/action || '''xub'''....''subsidiary, branch'' |- | plants || '''fub'''....''limb, branch, bough(of a tree)'' |- | fish || '''pitub'''....''fin'' |- | birds || '''patub'''....''wing'' |- | animal || '''potub'''....''paw'' |- | land-sea animal || '''peitub'''....''flipper'' |- | shoe || '''tyoyafub'''....''(scuba-diving) flipper'' |- | vegetation || '''vub'''....''shoot, sprig, twig'' |- | society/politics || '''dub'''....''minister, department head'' |- | building || '''tomub'''....''wing (of a building)'' |- | land || '''mub'''....''promontory'' |- | river || '''mifub'''....''oar'' |- | things || '''sub'''....''ramification, offshoot'' |- | table || '''semub'''....''flap (of a table)'' |- | rotating things || '''zyufub'''....''rudder'' |- | flat || '''zyifub'''....''paddle'' |- | round || '''zyub'''....''lobe'' |} </div> == Conclusion == Mirad uses many different techniques to short-cut the difficulty of learning new words or recognizing terms. The vowels, consonants, mnemonics, scalarization, taxonomy and many other methods are used to make the vocabulary as rational and intuitive as possible. Unlike in most natural languages, words like ''snow'' and ''sleet'' are going to have sounds in common in Mirad. 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P. Bechervaise''' presiding. The hon. secretary called attention to the practical progress made by Edison's loud-speaking telephone, which is now extensively used in London, and appears to be giving great satisfaction. This telephone (Edison's "electro-chemical") was described at the society's meeting in June last by Mr. Daniel, and an account of it was given in the last journal (No. 15) issued by the society. Diagrams of the instruments, with further description, will appear in journal No. 16, now in course of preparation. Mr. Geo. Smibert resumed the subject of "Wheatstone's Bridge," which was commenced at the last meeting, and gave some interesting explanations of the theory of this method of measuring electrical resistance. Two new members, Messrs. Burrill Johnson and C. O. Smith, were elected. There was a very good attendance of members.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article5969877 |title=The Argus. |newspaper=[[The Argus (Melbourne)]] |issue=10,470 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=8 January 1880 |accessdate=17 November 2020 |page=5 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise distributes a telegram promoting a memorial to Sir Rowland Hill <blockquote>'''MEMORIAL TO SIR ROWLAND HILL.''' The following telegram has been received from London, by Mr '''W. P. Bechervaise''', the manager of the Telegraph office in Melbourne, with a request that it be published in the journals:— London, Jan. 10. The Chairman sends from the Lord Mayor of London to the Mayor of every municipality which can be reached by our system the following telegram, a response to which will be telegraphed free. The message commences:— Today is the 40th anniversary of the introduction of the Postal system by Sir Rowland Hill. A Mansion House committee is now formed to commemorate the event by an International Memorial. Looking at the immense commercial, intellectual, and social advantages derived by the world at large through this reform, might I claim your hearty sympathy and support in this movement by placing it before your fellow-countrymen.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article62029476 |title=MEMORIAL TO SIR ROWLAND HILL. |newspaper=[[Gippsland Times]] |issue=2303 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=12 January 1880 |accessdate=17 November 2020 |page=3 (Morning.) |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Further controversy around Bechervaise <blockquote>Mr. Patterson, who has been hinting at something dreadful about his predecessor in the Post-office, launched his bolt yesterday. He read a list of names of officers who, he said, Mr. Ramsay had promoted over seniors in the service; and he said corruption of that kind was worse than Black Wednesday. Mr. Ramsay denounced the document as a fabrication, declared that he did not know one of the officers by name, said he would ask for a select committee, and if it could be proved he had promoted one man apart from seniority and the recommendation of the permanent heads, he would resign his seat, and not enter the House again, and he invited Mr. Patterson to do the same. Allusions were made to the appointments by Mr. Patterson over their seniors of Mr. Jackson and Mr. '''Bechervaise''', and Mr. Patterson's reply that he had taken the best men for the posts was met with laughter and ironical applause, as it seemed to the Opposition members that he admitted the practice for which he was blaming Mr. Ramsay.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article5971655 |title=The Argus. |newspaper=[[The Argus (Melbourne)]] |issue=10,482 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=22 January 1880 |accessdate=11 December 2020 |page=5 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Post and Telegraph Department Victoria under scrutiny in Parliament for practice in promotions, including Bechervaise <blockquote>'''PARLIAMENT. LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY.''' WEDNESDAY, JAN. 21. The SPEAKER took the chair at half past 4 o'clock. . . . Mr. PATTERSON.— And that was exactly the kind of account the Chief Secretary would furnish. Was there any other charge they wished to make against the Government? Mr. MCINTYRE.— Woods' brake. Mr. PATTERSON.— Perhaps he could knock that stump down too. What did that charge amount to? Simply this, that the Minister of Railways had given the result of his inventive genius to the country for nothing. (Great laughter.) Mr. KERFERD.— He sold it to a joint-stock company. Mr. WOODS.— What is that to you. (Renewed laughter and Ministerial cheers.) Mr. PATTERSON.— He had made a present of the brake to the country, and all he was really charged with was for having fixed it on to the trains. Mr. GAUNSON.— As Mr. Milligan promised to do with him. Mr. PATTERSON:— The present was a most valuable one, so valuable that it had enabled a place in his (Mr. Patterson's) district, viz., Chewton, to have a railway station. Formerly the engineer-in-chief declared that it was impossible to stop trains on the incline there with safety, but the new brake made that "impossibility" quite easy. As he had said when the dissolution was first announced, the Government were able to meet any charge which might be levelled at them. The hon. member for East Bourke (Mr. Ramsay) had all along been particularly rough on the Government. He had talked for instance about the dismissal of civil servants, or what some people chose to call Black Wednesday, but he (Mr. Patterson) would tell him of another way of injuring the public service. The promoting of civil servants out of their turns and over the heads of their seniors was infinitely worse, and the hon. member had himself been guilty of that conduct. When Postmaster-General the appointments he made included the promotion of one officer over 60 seniors, and 12 over 30 seniors without reference to their qualifications. Mr. RAMSAY.— Slander. There is not a single word of truth in it. Mr. PATTERSON proceeded to refer to a paper (Cheers from the Government side.) Mr. RAMSAY.— Tell us what you are going to read from. An HON. MEMBER.— A statement from a spy in his department. Mr. PATTERSON said he had asked the officers of the department to furnish him with a correct return of the promotions the hon. member for East Bourke made during his term of office and the return he had received was interesting. The hon. member grew eloquent on the previous night in denouncing the Government for having raised the higher salaries. Yet first in the return he (Mr. Patterson) had obtained was the name of Mr. Turner whose salary he had raised from £900 to £1,000. Then came that of Mr. S. W. McGowan, who received an increase of from £700 to £800. Mr. H. P. Bance was raised from £620 to £700. Mr. RAMSAY.— That was one of those you killed, I believe. Mr. PATTERSON.— Then he promoted Mr. L. S. Daniel over 20 seniors, Mr. D. Mickle over 26 seniors, Mr. C. Millar over 26 seniors, Mr. J. W. Wallace over 31, and Mr. A. Cumming over 32. What could become of the public service under such an administration? Could they compare Black Wednesday with a proceeding of such character? ("No.") Mr. RAMSAY.— Would the hon. gentleman allow him to speak? Mr. PATTERSON.— He would do nothing. He had the hon. member in his grasp, and would hold him like a vyce. (Cheers and counter cheers.) He would prove that the hon. member with all his protestations of honesty, honour and respectability was not fit to be a Minister of the Crown. Mr. RAMSAY.— Is the return signed? Mr. PATTERSON.— It was furnished to me by the head of the department, and I will guarantee that every line of it will be verified. Mr. KERFERD.— It is not signed. Mr. PATTERSON said the mere fact of an official document not being signed did not prove the falsehood. Mr. RAMSAY.— It is a downright falsehood. Mr. PATTERSON could say that if a statement was furnished to him which was not in accordance with facts he knew how to deal with a civil servant. (Ironical cries of "Hear, hear," and laughter.) The document was based on authority that he would receive ten times before he would receive that of the hon. member for East Bourke. Mr. SERVICE.— Did you appoint Mr. '''Bechervaise''' over Mr. James? (Hear, hear.) Mr. PATTERSON said that was on account of greater fitness and because he was altogether a better man. (Cries of "Oh," and loud laughter from the Opposition.) He would proceed with the list. H. W. Jenvey was appointed over 35 seniors, W. Blandford over the heads of 38, and W. E. Miller over 64 seniors. All those promotions were made at the recommendation of Mr. Robert Ram-say, and was there ever any case made out against this Government like those? Mr. SERVICE.— You promoted Jackson over McGowan. Mr. PATTERSON replied that no one could say he did not put the right man in the right place. Mr. McGowan was in the telegraph branch, and Mr. Jackson was the clerk in the Post-office immediately succeeding Mr. Turner when the latter retired. Mr. KERFERD.— You promoted Jackson's brother in law over 11 men who were his seniors. Mr. PATTERSON said the hon. member for the Ovens was unhappy, and was speaking without the book. Mr. RAMSAY stated that he had been in the House 10 years, and that was the first time any charge of the kind just made by the Postmaster-General had been made against him. He knew the House had only a few days to sit, but before the session closed he would move for a select committee to inquire into the matter, and he did not care if all the members of it were appointed from the Government side of the House. He would also say solemnly that if there was a single atom of truth in one of the statements of the Postmaster-General — that he ever made an appointment in either of the departments he was connected with except on the reports of the official heads of the departments — he would resign his seat, and would never re-enter Parliament as long as he lived. (Hear, hear.) Was the Postmaster-General prepared to take the same course? Mr. PATTERSON replied that the hon. member was not going to shelter himself behind the fact that Mr. Turner might also have recommended the appointments. He would accept the challenge on the ground that the hon. member approved of the recommendations to place the men over the heads of their seniors. Several HON. MEMBERS.— That is not the point. Mr. RAMSAY solemnly asserted that the statement which had been made was utterly without a particle of foundation. He did not know one of those individuals by sight, not a single member of the House ever spoke to him about them, and he never made an appointment except on the recommendation of the permanent heads of the two departments he had been connected with. Mr. CARTER noticed that whenever a political crime was brought against the Ministry which weighed heavily upon them they always put the Minister of Public Works up in their defence, and he gave that hon. member credit for being particularly clever and adroit in concealing their criminality.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article5971625 |title=PARLIAMENT. |newspaper=[[The Argus (Melbourne)]] |issue=10,482 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=22 January 1880 |accessdate=17 November 2020 |page=7 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> As previous, further parliamentary debate <blockquote>'''PARLIAMENT. LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL.''' Tuesday, Jan. 27. . . . Mr. PATTERSON said the hon. member for East Bourke had taken occasion to refer to an incident that took place in the House some time ago, but he would remind that hon. member that exhibitions of feeling did not prove a want of personal courage. The hon. member had endeavoured to make out two or three things with respect to these appointments. He said, first, that he appointed a board to inquire into the distribution of bonuses to certain skilful operators, but that had nothing to do with the matter with which he was charged. Then he fell back upon a report of Mr. Turner, in which it was said that the other colonies were bid-ding high for skilful operators. Did he act upon that? Mr. RAMSAY.— Yes, as the papers show. Mr. PATTERSON.— No, the hon. member did not. The report was dated September, 1874, and the appointments and classification took place November, 1876, more than two years afterwards. Mr. Turner on the 3rd March, 1875, called attention to the fact that the department must be pre-pared to deal liberally with those operators. The same course had been adopted with regard to bonuses every year. He supposed the hon. member would not deny that he made those appointments. Mr. RAMSAY.— I have shown that I did not make a number of them. Mr. PATTERSON said he had a document signed by the deputy postmaster-general and the accountant stating that the promotion of McGowan and Bance was given by the hon. member, and the schedules were signed "R. R." Hon. MEMBERS.— Shame, shame. Mr. PATTERSON said Mr. Cuthbert fell into a similar trap, as a few days before the general election the hon. member (Mr. Ram-say) made several appointments out of order and seniority, and Mr. Cuthbert signed them. Mr. GILLIES.— Is this a new charge? Mr. PATTERSON.— Yes. Now, the hon. member chose to say that he did not appoint Miller at all. Mr. RAMSAY.— I said the return produced by the hon. member showed that I did not make the appointment. If that is wrong I shall investigate further. Mr. PATTERSON.— Mr Turner, in his report, says, "Mr. Miller is a very zealous and efficient officer" — Mr. RAMSAY rose to a point of order. He hoped the hon. member meant to deal fairly with him. He had asked the deputy post-master general for all the documents in connexion with the affair, but the paper which the Postmaster-General had commenced to quote from was not shown to him, and he had not seen it. He objected to a letter not laid upon the table of the House being read. Mr. PATTERSON said he would lay it on the table when he had read it. Mr. COOPER, on the point of order, asked whether it was worth while to discuss further charges, which would only embitter the committee, and waste time. Mr. PATTERSON said Mr. Turner stated that Mr. Miller was a zealous and efficient officer, but was not a competent operator, and would not be affected by the bonus proposals at all. Mr Langton, on the 15th May, 1874, said that he could not promote Mr. Miller to the 4th class. After that Mr. Ramsay wrote that Mr. Miller was to be appointed to the 4th class, unless any vacancy should previously occur, in which case he was to have it. Mr. RAMSAY.— The appointment was made on the recommendation of the permanent head of the department. Mr. PATTERSON.— That is no excuse. Mr. MCINTYRE.— It was in the case of Mr. Woollard. Mr. PATTERSON said the hon. member as a Minister was not justified in making the appointment because it was recommended by the permanent head of the department. Mr. SERVICE.— How was it wrong? Mr. PATTERSON.— It was wrong to all those men who were passed over. No previous Minister had made promotions in the way the hon. member had. Mr. RAMSAY.— That is not true. Mr. PATTERSON.— And no member had been more forward in denouncing the Government. First the hon. member had said that the charge against him had been carefully prepared, but he could state that those papers had been ready two months be-fore. Then in the next breath that he was charged with not being prepared because the deputy postmaster-general had sent down the papers not properly signed. The policy of the Opposition had been to make attacks upon the Government, and the Government were justified in self defence in calling attention to the public acts of previous Administrations. The acts he complained of could not possibly be justified. If the public officers were consulted the whole body would condemn them because they created disorganisation, and caused civil servants to lose faith and hope in the public service. (Laughter, and ironical cheers.) The hon. member might presently tell him that he had done the same thing himself in the cases of Mr. Jackson and Mr. McGowan. They must permit him to say that Mr Jack-son had been eight months longer in the public service than Mr. McGowan had, that he was in the same classification, and that he (Mr. Patterson) chose Mr. Jackson because he was the fittest for the position. As to the remark that he placed Mr. '''Bechervaise''' over Mr. James that was not correct, because Mr. James had £600 a year, while Mr. '''Bechervaise''' had only £500. Mr. GAUNSON.— Mr. '''Bechervaise''' is in the senior position. Mr. PATTERSON said Mr. James was at Ballarat whilst Mr. '''Bechervaise''' was in Melbourne, and he thought it was a good plan to move officers about from one station to another. The hon. member for East Bourke, he considered, had made out only a very poor defence. Mr. GILLIES would have preferred if the Postmaster-General instead of delivering the remarks he had just made had said he would withdraw the charges. If there was any-thing at all in the charges made the other evening against the hon. member for East Bourke, it was that he had been guilty of grossly improper conduct in regard to appointments. The hon. member for East Bourke had now proved that in three of the cases, those of Messrs. Turner, McGowan, and Bance, he was not responsible for the appointments in any way, that they were settled by his predecessor, that the promotions were put on the estimates, and that the Assembly approved of them. If there was anything wrong in the appointments they should have been challenged when they were before Parliament. It was too late now to charge a Minister with improper conduct about them, as all the Minister did was to approve of them after they had been made by Parliament and signed by the Governor in Council. As to the other cases the hon. member for East Bourke had proved they were referred to a board. Mr. PATTERSON.— Not as to classification. Mr. GILLIES.— They were referred to a board as to bonus. Mr. PATTERSON.— That is done every year. . . .<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article5972365 |title=PARLIAMENT. |newspaper=[[The Argus (Melbourne)]] |issue=10,487 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=28 January 1880 |accessdate=17 November 2020 |page=9 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1880 02===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Bechervaise chairs the monthly meeting of the Telegraph Electrical Society Victoria <blockquote>The usual monthly meeting of the Telegraph Electrical Society was held on the 4th inst. at the Melbourne Athenaeum, Mr. '''W. P. Bechervaise''' presiding. A paper on "Thermo-electricity" was read by Mr. L. S. Daniel, who illustrated his remarks by means of instruments kindly lent for the occasion by Mr. Ellery. The system of obtaining currents of electricity by applying heat to the junction of two different metals is one which of late years has made great advances, and it is already much used for electroplating and other purposes, including telegraphy, while its extreme sensitiveness may be best under-stood when it is stated that thermo-electric piles have been constructed which are readily affected by the heat of the fixed stars. Two new members — Mr. M. L. Bagge, of Melbourne, and Mr. E. F. Innes, of King George's Sound — were elected.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article5973909 |title=The Argus. |newspaper=[[The Argus (Melbourne)]] |issue=10,497 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=9 February 1880 |accessdate=18 November 2020 |page=5 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise organises additional resources at Maldon telegraph office to accommodate Service's election speeches <blockquote>The Maldon speeches of Mr. Service are severe tests of the Telegraph department. On Thursday evening over 26,000 words were despatched from the Maldon office, over 12,000, or about half that number coming to this paper. A special staff was sent up under the charge of Mr. J. C. Macaw, and both at Maldon and Melbourne the work was done with the utmost efficiency, the arrangements made by the general manager, Mr. '''W. P. Bechervaise''', working excellently. By half past 1 o'clock the whole of the country and town press had been served, and this is the quickest time yet accomplished.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article5974610 |title=The Argus. |newspaper=[[The Argus (Melbourne)]] |issue=10,502 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=14 February 1880 |accessdate=18 November 2020 |page=7 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1880 03===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Bechervaise is a judge at the Intercolonial Juvenile Industrial Exhibition, including the Philosophical Instruments section with a number of future wireless experimenters as exhibitors <blockquote>'''INTERCOLONIAL JUVENILE INDUSTRIAL EXHIBITION, 1879-80.''' The first Intercolonial Juvenile Industrial Exhibition has now reached its most interesting stage. The judges have completed their onerous duties. All the prizes have been awarded, and to-day we are able to publish the list in full. This list will be eagerly and anxiously scanned by the thousands of young competitors. To those who find their names there it will give joy and honour, and we con-gratulate such of our young friends on their success. Those who have been less fortunate will, no doubt, feel some measure of disappointment, but we trust that it will only be a disappointment that will stimulate them to such renewed exertion and application as will ensure higher excellence in the future. These exhibitions are of no little importance. Apart from the benefit they must be to the rising generation, they are calculated to be of great service to the state. To say the least, they will do infinitely more towards fostering native industry than all the artificial protective tariffs that could be invented. The Executive Committee of the present Exhibition deserve no little credit for the energy they have thrown into the undertaking. Success has attended their efforts so far, and the only problem which remains to be solved is the financial result. The patronage they have received, however, has been most gratifying. Since the opening on the 23rd of December there have been about 123,000 visitors, and, if as is expected, 117,000 more patronise it between this date and the 3rd of April, closing day, a satisfactory balance sheet will be produced. As compared with the committees of the Ballarat, Sandhurst, and Geelong exhibitions, the executive of the intercolonial one have been handicapped by a charge of £1,000 for the use of the Eastern Market, whereas the former received generous assistance from their local corporations. The liabilities they incurred at the outset have not, however, hampered their management, but have, on the contrary, stimulated their efforts to make the exhibition popular. Four nights every week they have had juvenile concerts or band performances, and on the other two nights — Thursday and Saturday — high class musical entertainments have been given under the direction of Mr Summers. The attendance on Thursday and Saturday nights was always enormous, and enterprise was thus rewarded. Then large excursions were attracted from up country. The Presbyterian Sunday-schools of Ballarat sent down a company of 1,000, about 1,500 came from Talbot and district, 1,300 from Sale, Rosedale, and neighbourhood, 1,500 from Castlemaine, 1,200 from Dunolly, 1,000 from Newstead, and other excursions are looked for during the present month from Ballarat, Sandhurst, Echuca, and the North-Eastern district. Moreover, it is expected that the exhibition will prove one of the greatest attractions during the Easter holidays. With regard to the manner in which the youths of this and the neighbouring colonies responded to the invitation of the committee to send in exhibits, it may be mentioned that the total number of exhibits displayed is 20,125. The entries for competition numberered in all 5,839. They were arranged and classified as shown in the following table:— '''CLASSIFICATION AND NUMBERS OF EXHIBITS.''' Class. Entries. 1. Machinery, models of same, and models of mines .. .. 95; 2. Castings and fittings in iron, copper, brass, zinc, tin, &c. .. .. 150; 3. Agricultural and other implements, and models of same .. .. 37; 4. Carriages and vehicles of every description, and models of same .. .. 28; 5. Models of buildings, building materials, and decorations .. .. 36; 6. Gilding, embossing, and enamelling on glass, painting, graining, and sign writing .. .. 91; 7. Furniture, inlaying-work, rustic work, basket-work, and household requisites in wood; also toys .. .. 131; 8. Glass, glassware, pottery, articles of plastic ware, and bricks .. .. 24; 9. Harness, saddles and bridles, leather, skins, furs, &c. .. .. 54; 10. Boots and shoes of every description .. .. 77; 11. Ropes, matting, and brushware .. .. 14; 12. Textile fabrics, spun and raw silk, &c. .. .. 17; 13. Men's clothing and hats, also materials for same, shawls, blankets, and woollens .. .. 19; 14. Ladies' and children's dresses, millinery, underclothing, dressed dolls, plain and fancy needlework, lacework, knitting, netting, hosiery, &c. .. .. 1127; 15. Ladies' ornamental and artificial work .. .. 690; 16. Collections and devices, in any natural production .. .. 124; 17. Paintings in oil and water colours, pencil and crayon drawings, either from nature or copies .. .. 1484; 18. Modelling, sculpture, turning and carving .. .. 121; 19. Architectural drawings, plans, mapping, and penmanship .. .. 698; 20. Printing, lithographing, engraving, and bookbinding .. .. 97; 21. Photography .. .. 34; 22. Jewellery, clocks, watches and ornaments in the precious metals and minerals .. .. 88; 23. Philosophical and mathematical instruments, also instruments of every description .. .. 62; 24. Musical instruments .. .. 10; 25. Boats, models of same, and life-saving apparatus .. .. 29; 26. Mineralogical and geological collections, dyeing, tanning, chemical, pharmaceutical, and microscopical preparations; perfumery, oils, &c. .. .. 51; 27. Aquariums, both salt and fresh water, and fish globes; wardian cases, pot plants, and seeds of every description .. .. 13; 28. Jams, jellies, preserves, marmalade, dried fruits, bottled fruits, sauces, and pickles .. .. 24; 29. Confectionery, biscuits, cakes and articles of domestic cookery .. .. 29; 30. Hams, bacon, cheese, and butter .. .. 8; 31. Collections of soap, candles, blacking, spices, soda crystals, powders, mustard, &c. .. .. 13; 32. Essays poems, and compositions on any subject .. .. 209; 33. Musical compositions .. .. 66; 34. Articles of any description not before enumerated .. .. 89; Total .. .. 5839. . . '''CLASS XXIII. PHILOSOPHICAL INSTRUMENTS, &c.''' Jurors: Mr. '''W. P. Bechervaise''' and Mr. B. Greening. J. B. Kirkland, Carlton, collection of philosophical instruments — Gold medal, and £2 2s., the gift of Dr. Kirkland. Geo. F. Trowbridge, Richmond, compound and dissecting microscopes — Gold medal and £1 1s. T. L. Warnacke, Richmond, microscope — Silver medal. Chas Whiting, East Melbourne, lenses for microscopes, telescopes &c. — First-class certificate. John Doody, Melbourne, mercurial barometer — First-class certificate. G. W. Selby, jun., South Yarra, mercury air pump — First-class certificate. Geo. Hall, Ballarat, induction coil — First class certificate, and trophy value £2 2s., given by Messrs. Edwards and Kaul. Geo. W. Selby, jun., South Yarra, induction coil — Silver medal. A. W. Hyde, Richmond, induction coil — First-class certificate. W. S. T. Magee, Ballarat, electric pile — First-class certificate. George Hall, Ballarat, insulated copper wire — First-class certificate. A. M. Nelson, Carlton, electrifying machine — Silver medal. T. L. Warnacke, Richmond, telegraph key, &c. — First-class certificate. A. L. Hardham, West Melbourne, indicator — First-class certificate. Edward Fletcher, Carlton, electric motor and galvanoscope — Second-class certificate. E. A. Gosewinckle, Emerald-hill, collection of spectacles — Silver medal. G. W. Sturrock, Carlton, drawing-board and T square — First-class certificate, and £1 1s., the gift of Mr. R. L. J. Ellery. J. F. Crow, Collingwood, drawing board and T square — second class certificate. P. S. McDonnell, East Melbourne, cedar models of the propositions of the 1st and 2nd books of Euclid — First-class certificate. W. A. Edwards, Ballarat, case of surgical appliances — Trophy, value £3 3s., given by Messrs. W. Wood and Co. . . . '''CLASS XXV. MODELS OF STEAM, SAILING, AND ROWING BOATS AND LIFE-SAVING APPARATUS.''' Jurors: Mr. '''W. P. Bechervaise''', Mr. H. R. Murray. V. W. D. Broughton, Melbourne, model of an iron-clad — Gold medal, and £3 3s., gift of Sir Redmond Barry. . . .<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article5977101 |title=INTERCOLONIAL JUVENILE INDUSTRIAL EXHIBITION, 1879-80. |newspaper=[[The Argus (Melbourne)]] |issue=10,519 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=5 March 1880 |accessdate=18 November 2020 |page=10 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise again chairs the monthly meeting of the Telegraph Electrical Society Victoria <blockquote>'''The Telegraph Electrical Society''' held its usual monthly meeting on Wednesday at the Melbourne Athenaeum, Mr. '''Bechervaise''' presiding. The systems of "duplex," "diplex," and their combination into the "quadruplex" system of telegraphy were explained by Mr. George Smibert, and it was resolved that diagrams of the different circuits included in these systems should be prepared and distributed, in order that the members might more easily understand them. Mr. W. Macourt exhibited an ingenious form of soldering iron, his own invention, which he had found to be very much better adapted for soldering joints on a telegraph line than the method in ordinary use. He also showed a pair of "spur climbers," used by telegraph line repairers, the invention of Mr. H. Deering, of the Telegraph department, which had been proved to be very much superior to the old fashioned ones used hitherto. Sketches of these two improvements are to appear in the society's next journal. There was a good attendance, three new members being pro-posed for election.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article5977093 |title=The Argus. |newspaper=[[The Argus (Melbourne)]] |issue=10,519 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=5 March 1880 |accessdate=18 November 2020 |page=5 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1880 04===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Bechervaise likely again chairs the monthly meeting of the Telegraph Electrical Society Victoria <blockquote>'''The Telegraph Electrical Society''' held its usual monthly meeting at the Melbourne Athenaeum on Wednesday, when Mr. George Smibert resumed the subject of "Duplex and Quadruplex Telegraphy," which he had commenced at the last meeting of the society, his explanations of this complicated system being made clear by the aid of some carefully prepared diagrams. The duplex system is now regularly used between Melbourne and Sydney, and works most satisfactorily. Three new members were elected — Messrs. F. S. Andrews, J. C. W. Chandler, and J. Skinner, all these gentlemen being attached to the South Australian Overland Telegraph service.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article5981462 |title=The Argus. |newspaper=[[The Argus (Melbourne)]] |issue=10,548 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=9 April 1880 |accessdate=18 November 2020 |page=5 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1880 05===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Bechervaise participates in telephony experiments between Melbourne and Ballarat, extending to Castlemaine <blockquote>Some very successful experiments with the Edison-Bell Telephone were made yesterday afternoon on the telegraph line from Melbourne to Ballarat. Trials on such long lines have to be held on Sunday, owing to the wires being so fully occupied through the week. Mr. Jackson, deputy Postmaster-General; Mr. McGowan, superintendent of telegraphs; and Mr. '''Bechervaise''', manager of the Melbourne Telegraph Office, conducted the experiments at this end of the line. The Postmaster-General was to have been at Ballarat, but was suddenly called out of town. Conversation between Melbourne and Ballarat was carried on very easily, a number of people listening at the same time in each place. Then a line to Castlemaine was connected from this end of the Ballarat line, the circuit being from Ballarat to Melbourne and thence to Castlemaine, a total distance of 165 miles. The additional length of line seemed to make no difference in the result; whatever was said at either of the three places was distinctly heard at both the others. Castlemaine favoured Melbourne and Ballarat with several tunes on the cornet, and a lady at Melbourne sang to Ballarat and Castlemaine.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article5972319 |title=The Argus. |newspaper=[[The Argus (Melbourne)]] |issue=10,586 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=24 May 1880 |accessdate=20 November 2020 |page=5 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise attends the Governor's Levee for the Queen's Birthday <blockquote>'''THE QUEEN'S BIRTHDAY.''' The 61st anniversary of Her Majesty's Birthday was yesterday celebrated by the holding of a number of public amusements. The weather, though dull, was not unfavourable for outdoor sports. The chief event of the day was to have been the Volunteer review in Albert-park, but owing to the large attendance of spectators and the inadequacy of the arrangements for keeping them in orderly array, the military display had to be greatly curtailed. At the levée held by His Excellency at Government-house the presentations were unusually numerous. The football match on the East Melbourne cricket ground was witnessed by about 8,000 spectators, and there were also many onlookers at the bicycle tournament on the Warehousemen's ground, the 25-mile contest being a novel attraction. The Hunt Club races had their share of patronage. Melbourne appeared to be filled with country visitors during the day and evening. The amusements at the theatres and the popular concert at the Town-hall were well attended. A detailed account of the day's doings will be found below:— '''THE GOVERNORS LEVEE.''' His Excellency the Governor, pursuant to custom, held a levée at Government house in honour of the day. The large and representative attendance furnished ample evidence of the loyalty of Her Majesty's subjects in this colony. Those gentlemen who presented cards for the private entrée were received in the drawingroom, but the remainder of the ceremony took place in the ballroom. Precisely at 11 o'clock His Excellency entered the ballroom, followed by the gentlemen who had been admitted to the private entrée, amongst whom we noticed the Premier, who wore the Windsor uniform; other Ministers of the Crown, the President of the Legislative Council, the Speaker of the Legislative Assembly, judges, heads of religious denominations, foreign consuls, members of the Executive Council, and military officers. The general presentations then took place, and were quickly over. Subjoined are the names of the gentlemen who presented cards of entrée:— . . . L. W. Bell, R. S. Bradley, R. B. Burke, Mars Buckley, Ernest Arthur Barker, Albert B. Boyd, Dr. Thomas Black, Thomas a'Beckett, John Benn, Isaac Barnet, Henry Butler, Henry Bolger, John B. Bennett, George M. Bradshaw Henry Burrows, John Buncle Geo. W. Burston, C. Baker, Councillor Bowen, Charles F. E. Brown, A. T. Best, J. S. Butters, Saml. Burston, Rev. Dr. Bromby, Alfred Berry, William Bowen, Hon. Robert Byrne, Rev. James Ballantyne, Frederick Bowman, Hon. Wm. Bayles, Albert E. Burbank, — Brook, George Bell, George Blackwood, Dr. Edward Barker, Andrew H. Brown, Dr Browning, William Burrow, '''Wm. P. Bechervaise''', Gilbert Wilson Brown, Geo. Gordon Blair, Arthur R. Blackwood, Joseph Bowring, J.P. ; Alexander Black, John Blackwood, James George Beahey, M.D., M.R.I.A. ; James S. Butler, George Middleton Barthold, Edward Barry, Richard Balderson, Mayor of St Kilda , A. C. Brownless, jun. ; Joseph Bosisto, Thos. Wm. Beckwith, Thomas Brisbane, Joseph Brady, James Blackwood, William Barker, Sir Redmond Barry, Councillor Benjamin, Hon. Thomas Bromell, M.L.C. ; R. Black. . .<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article5951023 |title=THE QUEEN'S BIRTHDAY. |newspaper=[[The Argus (Melbourne)]] |issue=10,587 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=25 May 1880 |accessdate=20 November 2020 |page=5 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1880 06===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Bechervaise likely chairs the monthly meeting of the Telegraph Electrical Society Victoria <blockquote>The monthly meeting of the Telegraph Electrical Society was held last night, at the Melbourne Athenaeum. Theiler's "Mechanical Duplex" was explained by Mr. Geo. Smibert. A communication was received from Dr. W. Siemens, of Berlin, asking for an exchange of the journals of the society, for those published by Professor Zetzche, of that city. Three new members were elected, Messrs. A. M. Atkyn, Thos. Biddle, and J. W. Watt.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article5965751 |title=The Argus. |newspaper=[[The Argus (Melbourne)]] |issue=10,595 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=3 June 1880 |accessdate=20 November 2020 |page=5 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> James to return to the Melbourne Telegraph Office, Bechervaise on leave of absence <blockquote>We understand that Mr. T. R. James, who was formerly manager of the Melbourne Telegraph office, and who was removed by the ex-Postmaster-General to Ballarat, is to return to his former post. Mr. '''Bechervaise''', who was brought to Melbourne, receives a temporary leave of absence.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article5965959 |title=The Argus. |newspaper=[[The Argus (Melbourne)]] |issue=10,603 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=12 June 1880 |accessdate=20 November 2020 |page=7 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> As previous, further detail <blockquote>'''NEWS AND NOTES.''' . . . Mr T. R. James, latterly acting as post and telegraph master here, has been transferred to his former position in Melbourne, and Mr '''Bechervaise''', formerly filling the function of post and telegraph master in Ballarat, will resume his wonted position among us in the beginning of the ensuing month. In the meantime two of the senior officers of the establishment will discharge the duties, Mr Nicholson officiating in the postal department, and the telegraph department being under the supervision of Mr Blandford.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article202512379 |title=NEWS AND NOTES. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXV, |issue=141 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=14 June 1880 |accessdate=20 November 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Detailed analysis of the circumstances of Bechervaise's impending return to Ballarat <blockquote>Ordinarily an exchange of post and telegraph masters in this town would call for no comment, because, so long as an efficient officer is placed here by the Government, it matters little whether Mr Jones, Mr Smith, Mr Brown, or Mr Robinson presides over the local branch of the Post and Telegraph Department. All that the public desires in such a case is that every attention shall be paid to local requirements; that there shall be no disturbances in the combined offices to create scandal abroad, or confusion within, and that a vigilant eye shall be kept around to prevent any letters being robbed of their contents, should a black sheep find his way into the local branch of the service. All this having been provided for, we say, the people of Ballarat care very little, under ordinary circumstances, who has charge of their central post and telegraph office, or what arrangements the Government choose to make to secure efficiency in that quarter. But an event of this kind has lately occurred here which cannot be regarded with the same indifference, because it not only involves a wrong to the telegraph branch of the department as a whole, but it also treats a gentleman who has long been known in this town with extreme discourtesy; and the public is bound to feel interested in a step which carries with it conditions of this nature. Readers of yesterday's Courier will have noticed that Mr James has been removed from Ballarat to Melbourne, and Mr '''Bechervaise''' from Melbourne to Ballarat, thus restoring the state of affairs which prevailed at the Post and Telegraph offices in Melbourne and Ballarat respectively, before, and for some time after, Mr Patterson took office. The object of these transfers is plain enough. It is to undo what the Berry Government did; the present Government having laid themselves out to do this sort of thing ever since they got on the Treasury benches; and we may remark, in passing, that some of the silliest and most costly freaks have been the consequences of their reckless and muddle-headed attacks upon their predecessors' administration. Mr Patterson, who proved himself to be the best Postmaster-General this colony ever had, was not satisfied with the way in which the telegraph branch of the service was conducted. It seemed to him that a more active man than Mr James was required at headquarters; and he made enquiries to see whether such a man was in the service. Mr Patterson soon found there was such a man in Mr '''Bechervaise''', the then manager of the Post and Telegraph Office, Ballarat. Enquiries satisfied Mr Patterson that Mr '''Bechervaise''' was an excellent administrator, a strict disciplinarian, a most vigilant supervisor of small as well as large details, and just the very man he wanted in the Telegraph Office, Melbourne; and, a long interview which he had with him afterwards, confirmed the soundness of this information. We would not say a word against Mr James's probity, or his desire to discharge his duties efficiently. But he has not the quickness of movement, and the sharpness of mind of Mr '''Bechervaise'''; and hence Mr Patterson determined that Mr '''Bechervaise''' should be taken down to Melbourne, and Mr James sent to Ballarat; the latter losing nothing, in the way of salary, by the transfer. No sooner was the change made than a large amount of influence was set to work to restore Mr James to Melbourne; but Mr Patterson was inexorable. He saw that Mr '''Bechervaise''' suited the Melbourne position better than Mr James; and, in the public interest, he determined that Mr '''Bechervaise''' should remain in Melbourne. So matters continued up to the retirement of the Berry Ministry; and there can be no doubt that the telegraph service, and the public also, was considerably benefited by Mr '''Bechervaise's''' presence in the metropolitan office. Now what has followed, is what we described yesterday, and what is repeated above. To political influence the Service Government have given way, the more especially as the act harmonised with their desire to upset all that the Berry Government had done; and, accordingly, Mr James goes back to Melbourne, and Mr '''Bechervaise''' comes up to Ballarat to resume his old position. The rationale of all this is easily worked out. Firstly, a very useful officer is displaced, for a worthy man, no doubt, but not Mr '''Bechervaise's''' equal, as the administrator of the working details of a large and important department. Therefore, the service is bound to suffer by what has been effected. Secondly, a man who has thrown all his energies into the department, and carried out a number of useful reforms, is thrust back in the service, although everything shows that no one could have deserved the promotion better than Mr '''Bechervaise''' proved himself to deserve it during the time he was in the metropolitan office. And thirdly, a precedent is set which will deter Ministers for all time doing anything to reform or improve the departments, because they will see, in the pranks which the Service Government have played, that any changes which they make to benefit the service and meet the requirements of the public, if it does not dovetail in with the wishes and aims of the officers transferred, are almost sure to be undone by their successors, with any amount of abuse and obloquy added. The Service Government are to be thanked for attaining these miserable ends; and none but bunglers of the most pronounced order would be guilty of such contemptible and senseless conduct. Locally, we rejoice at Mr '''Bechervaise's''' return to Ballarat, where his appearance will be hailed with no small pleasure. But looking at the requirements of the Telegraph Office as a whole, a great mistake has been committed in this case; and there is not an officer in the whole service who will not readily endorse this conclusion. However, everything is in a state of upheaval just now; and the above is one of the penalties which the Victorian community has to pay for landing a Conservative Government in office.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article250050328 |title=No Title |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Courier]] |volume=XXVI, |issue=4047 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=15 June 1880 |accessdate=20 November 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> As previous <blockquote>'''BALLARAT.''' (from our own correspondent.) Thursday. 24th June. . . . Mr. '''Bechervaise''' is to come back to his old position here, and Mr. James has gone to take his old place in the Melbourne office. James' friends say the Service Government has thus righted a wrong done by Mr. Patterson, the late P.M.G., and the Courier says the Service Government has undone a good thing done by the greater acumen of a shrewder P.M.G.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article88885311 |title=BALLARAT. |newspaper=[[Bendigo Advertiser]] |volume=XXVII, |issue=7,793 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=26 June 1880 |accessdate=20 November 2020 |page=3 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> As previous, commentary on the commentary <blockquote>'''BALLARAT.''' FROM OUR OWN CORRESPONDENT. BALLARAT, JUNE 25. . . . There was hot work in some quarters, too, when '''Bechervaise''', our late post and telegraph master, was taken hence, and made to rule over the Melbourne office. Patterson did this because he did not like James who was sent up here in place of '''Bechervaise''', or because he, Patterson, thought our '''Bechervaise''' was the only man to put the Melbourne office right. But now Service is in, '''Bechervaise''' and James are to take their old places again, and as '''Bechervaise''' used to say he would rather live in Ballarat at a less salary, I hope he is pleased. The Courier "gives it" to the Government for daring to undo what Mr. Patterson did. <ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article34470296 |title=BALLARAT. |newspaper=[[Camperdown Chronicle]] |volume=VI, |issue=600 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=29 June 1880 |accessdate=20 November 2020 |page=3 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1880 07===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> As previous, further commentary <blockquote>'''TOWN TALK.''' . . . We notice that Mr. '''W. P. Bechervaise''', one of the most able members, as he is one of the oldest, of the telegraphic service of the colony is, after about twelve months' relief service in Melbourne, about to resume duty at Ballarat. The metropolitan office may suffer by the change, but Ballarat will undoubtedly be a gainer.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article150652572 |title=TOWN TALK. |newspaper=[[Geelong Advertiser]] |issue=10,194 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=23 July 1880 |accessdate=20 November 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1880 08===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Bechervaise returns to his former duties in Ballarat <blockquote>'''TOWN TALK.''' . . . We were in Ballarat the other day, and found our old friend Mr '''Bechervaise''' settled down again to the management of the Post and Telegraph department. Before Mr '''Bechervaise''' left Melbourne he was entertained by the staff of the Telegraph branch, some 70 or 80 of whom assembled to wish him "good bye," and a very pleasant evening was spent. An unanimous feeling of good will towards Mr '''Bechervaise''' was expressed, and general regret evinced at his departure. On his arrival at Ballarat a troop of private friends and many of the officers of his department were there to meet him, with whom we exclaim "may his shadow never grow less."<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article150649431 |title=TOWN TALK. |newspaper=[[Geelong Advertiser]] |issue=10,110 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=11 August 1880 |accessdate=20 November 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise returns to housekeeping at Ballarat <blockquote>'''BALLARAT POST OFFICE NOTICE.''' Mails for the United Kingdom, Europe, America, &c., will be made up at this office on Thursday, 2nd September, for despatch by R.M.S. Malwa. The times appointed for closing are — For registered letters, ordinary letters, packets, and newspapers, at 6 p.m. Money orders on the United Kingdom will be issued up to 1 p.m. on Thursday, 2nd September. A Supplementary Mail, for letters only, will be made up for despatch, via Queenscliff, on Friday morning, 3rd September, at 5 o'clock. The Southampton route having been discontinued, all letters, packets, and newspapers for the United Ingdom will be forwarded for the future via Brindisi at the rates formerly charged via Southampton. '''WM. PHILIP BECHERVAISE''', Postmaster, Post and Telegraph Office, Ballarat, 26th August, 1880.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article202515012 |title=Advertising |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXV, |issue=208 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=31 August 1880 |accessdate=21 November 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1880 09===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> As previous <blockquote>'''BALLARAT POST-OFFICE NOTICE.''' Mails for the United Kingdom, Europe, America, &c., will be made up at this office on Tuesday, 14th September, for despatch by R.M.S. Bangalore. The times appointed for closing are — For registered letters, ordinary letters, packets, and newspapers, at 6 p.m. Money orders on the United Kingdom will be issued up to 1 p.m. on Tuesday, 14th September. A Supplementary Mail, for letters only, will be made up for despatch, via Queenscliff, on Wednesday morning, 15th September, at 5 o'clock. The Southampton route having been discontinued, all letters, packets, and newspapers for the United Kingdom will be forwarded for the future via Brindisi at the rates formerly charged via Southampton. '''WM. PHILIP BECHERVAISE''', Postmaster. Post and Telegraph Office, Ballarat, 7th September.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article202515411 |title=Advertising |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXV, |issue=218 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=11 September 1880 |accessdate=21 November 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1880 10===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Bechervaise's son Herbert Price Bechervaise appears to be living now in Melbourne <blockquote>'''CRICKET CHATTER.''' BY FELIX. . . . I hear that '''Bechervaise''', a good all-round man from Ballarat, has thrown in his lot with Richmond. He ought to prove a valuable acquisition, especially in bowling.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article142172011 |title=CRICKET CHATTER. |newspaper=[[The Australasian]] |volume=XXIX, |issue=759 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=16 October 1880 |accessdate=21 November 2020 |page=12 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1880 11===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Bechervaise returns to his duties as starter with the Ballarat Yacht Club <blockquote>'''AQUATICS.''' The third event in the match for the President's Trophy on Saturday at Lake Wendouree was a thoroughly enjoyable race. The weather was fine, a good breeze was blowing, and the yachts made a capital race, some excellent sailing being displayed. The steamer Wendouree, with the members of the club and their friends on board accompanied the race. Mr '''Bechervaise''' officiated as starter, and Mr H. R. Caselli as judge. After an exciting race the boats came in in the following order:— . . . .<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article200652090 |title=AQUATICS. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXV, |issue=279 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=22 November 1880 |accessdate=21 November 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> A case of alleged official corruption on Bechervaise's watch <blockquote>'''NEWS AND NOTES.''' . . . A rumour was freely circulated throughout the city on Monday that a young man engaged in the telegraph service in connection with the Ballarat East office had been detected intercepting information passing on the lines; and further, it was alleged that he had entered into an arrangement with a well-known broker on the Corner to supply him with intercepted and other messages, for which he was to be duly recompensed. This very serious charge was freely circulated, and it was said that good and substantial proof could be brought forward to substantiate its truth. It is also stated that the accused official admits having received money from the broker, but says it was given to him merely as a loan. Suspicion was first excited by the alleged fact that the broker was in the habit of passing over as much as £4 at a time to the accused on receipt of a telegram. It had been remarked on previous occasions that matters of public interest passing along the lines had been made known to friends and others within a remarkably short time from when the message had been received.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article200652125 |title=NEWS AND NOTES |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXV, |issue=280 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=23 November 1880 |accessdate=21 November 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> As previous, further details <blockquote>'''THE CHARGE AGAINST A TELEGRAPH OFFICER.''' — Respecting the charge which has been made against a telegraph officer the Star says:— A rumor was freely circulated throughout the city on Monday that a young man engaged in the telegraph service in connection with the Ballarat East office had been detected intercepting information passing on the lines; and further, it was alleged that he had entered into an arrangement with a well-known broker on the Corner to supply him with intercepted and other messages, for which he was to be duly recompensed. It is stated that the accused official admits having received money from the broker, but says it was given to him merely as a loan. Suspicion was first excited by the alleged fact that the broker was in the habit of passing over as much as £4 at a time to the accused on receipt of a telegram. It had been remarked on previous occasions that matters of public interest passing along the lines had been made known to friends and others within a remarkably short time from when the message had been received. The Evening Post says in reference to this matter:— Inquiry by us this morning at the head office, did not result in any substantiation of the rumor, so far as the officer in charge, Mr. '''W. P. Bechervaise''', was concerned, and we sincerely trust, for the sake of the department generally, that some misunderstanding in the matter exists. We understand however from a private source that a certain J.P. of Ballarat recently visited Melbourne, and had an interview with the young man George Yates, at present an inmate of Pentridge, from whom the facts, upon which the above-mentioned rumour is based, were gathered. Until instructions are received from the metropolitan authorities, however, the matter will not assume any definite shape, so far as official inquiry is concerned, though it is understood that the case of Yates is to be brought under the notice of Parliament, with a view, probably to a remission of sentence.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article88640092 |title=Advertising |newspaper=[[Bendigo Advertiser]] |volume=XXVII, |issue=7,922 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=24 November 1880 |accessdate=21 November 2020 |page=3 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise again attends to his duties as starter with the Ballarat Yacht Club <blockquote>'''BALLARAT YACHT CLUB REGATTA.''' Wednesday, 24th November. Commodore, O. E. Edwards; captain, E. Morey; treasurer, T. Mann; judge, H. R. Caselli, starter, '''W. P. Bechervaise'''; timekeeper, J. T. Sleep; secretary, Wm. Downie. The fourth annual regatta of the Ballarat Yacht Club was held on Wednesday at Lake Wendouree. The day opened gloomy and wintry-looking, and the dull aspect of the weather no doubt deterred many from visiting the scene of the contests who otherwise would have been present. A fine fresh wind was blowing, and as far as sailing was concerned more excellent weather could not be desired. One could not help at times contrasting the past, when Wendouree was a reedy swamp, a covert for the wild fowl and duck, and when the wind whistling through the rushes, and the plash, plash! as the teal rose one after an-other into the air from the flags and water-weeds . . . The boats took up their mooring off View Point at about 11 o’clock, and were sent off by Mr '''Bechervaise''' shortly afterwards. They went away well together, and with spinnakers flying rounded the Garden Island, and closed up to the south buoy. Rounding the buoy the Maid of Kent held the leading position, with the following boats in the order named:— Kathleen, I.X.L., Ballarat East, Argyle, and Albion. The first three boats kept well together, the remainder trailing out astern. In the second round the Kathleen getting to windward of the Maid of Kent going round the Garden Island, and being well handled by the captain, succeeded in cutting her out. In this position they came up to Brace's buoy, which they weathered in the order named, but coming down to the south buoy the Kathleen fell off, and failing to get round the Maid, came to the fore and took up the lead, which she maintained to the finish, with the Kathleen, I.X.L., and Ballarat East in the order named, the two remaining boats being some distance astern. However, owing to the allowance for length; the 'final order of merit was somewhat changed . . .<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article200652206 |title=BALLARAT YACHT CLUB |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXV, |issue=282 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=25 November 1880 |accessdate=21 November 2020 |page=3 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Vic Government to take a monopoly on telephony in the State <blockquote>'''MELBOURNE.''' 27th November. (FROM OUR OWN CORRESPONDENT.) . . . The Government intend pushing on with business in the Committees of Supply and Ways and Means next week, so as to deal with the financial questions arising out of these first, and permit the Council to have reason-able opportunity to discuss them. As it is the time is very short in which to allow of opportunity for members in both Chambers to deal with such measures as those for reducing the salaries of his Excellency the Governor, and his Ministers when it is remembered, that the Land Tax Bill and the Land Act Amendment must certainly provoke discussion. The Reform of the Constitution and Plural Voting Bills will have to stand aside until next session, for if the House is to be up by Christmas, and the Ministry mean to strain every nerve to complete business by that time, it would be impossible to debate them in the Lower House alone. The only new measure likely to be introduced besides those already known is the Telephone Bill, extending to that invention much the same privileges as those enjoyed by its elder brother, the telegraph. But for the information of settlers it may be mentioned that the new Land Bill (Mr Richardson's) while extending the term of tenure of the squatter for one year deals, satisfactorily with the desire of the selectors to come under the shilling an acre clause, and removes the existing impediments thereto; and, in addition, applies fresh legislation to the run-holders in the mallee. So useful and so necessary is this measure that it is to be regretted that it will come forward at so advanced a period of the session as will prevent its being thoroughly threshed out.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article200652336 |title=MELBOURNE. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXV, |issue=285 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=29 November 1880 |accessdate=21 November 2020 |page=3 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1880 12===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Report on alleged corruption at Ballarat Post Office with the minister <blockquote>'''MELBOURNE.''' (FROM OUR OWN CORRESPONDENT.) 7th December. . . . The Postmaster-General has had under consideration the report of Detective Lomax with respect to certain irregularities in connection with the Telegraph-office at Ballarat. As the accused denies the charge preferred against him, the Minister has decided upon appointing a board to enquire into the matter.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article200652700 |title=MELBOURNE. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXV, |issue=293 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=8 December 1880 |accessdate=21 November 2020 |page=3 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise likely driver to clarifying statement distinguishing Ballarat (West) and Ballarat East Post Offices in respect alleged corruption <blockquote>'''NEWS AND NOTES.''' . . . We have been requested to state that the announcement in our Melbourne correspondent's letter of the appointment of a board to enquire into the statement regarding certain irregularities in connection with telegrams, should have referred to the office in Ballarat East, and not Ballarat, the head office.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article200652733 |title=NEWS AND NOTES. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXV, |issue=294 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=9 December 1880 |accessdate=21 November 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Herbert Price Bechervaise? sells household effects at Emerald Hill <blockquote>'''MONDAY, DECEMBER 13. At Eleven a.m.''' Unreserved Sale of Useful and Nearly New HOUSEHOLD FURNITURE and EFFECTS. Glenlyon-house, 189 Albert road, Between Clarendon and Moray Streets (Fronting the Park), EMERALD HILL. To New Arrivals, Parties Furnishing, Boardinghouse Keepers, Dealers and Others. BUCKHURST and BUXTON are instructed by the proprietor, — '''Bechervaise''', Esq., who is leaving the district, to SELL by AUCTION, on the premises as above, His household furniture, nearly new and in good order, including handsome Brussels carpet, tapestry and felt do, fine rosewood loo table, drawing and dining room suites, fenders and irons, music canter-bury and whatnots, 4 chests drawers, 12 very nice new single and medium size French and half-tester iron bedsteads and bedding, 5 washstands and ware, toilet tables and glasses, mahogany hall table and chairs, &c. Terms — Cash. No Reserve.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article5967896 |title=Advertising |newspaper=[[The Argus (Melbourne)]] |issue=10,759 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=11 December 1880 |accessdate=21 November 2020 |page=3 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise attends meeting to form a Ballarat Swimming Club <blockquote>A meeting was held at the Mechanics' Institute last night, for the purpose of forming a swimming club, and arranging a series of matches. Mr Ince occupied the chair. The chairman addressed a few remarks to the meeting, showing the necessity of swimming as an accomplishment. Mr '''Bechervaise''' proposed, and Mr A. Main seconded — "That a swimming club be formed," which was carried unanimously. A deputation, consisting of Messrs Ince, Main, Baker, Miller, and the secretary, was appointed to wait on the City Council, and ask if they would make any concession towards a club; and also if they will set apart two days in the year for holding swimming matches at the baths. After a hearty vote of thanks to the chair, the meeting adjourned till Tuesday next. <ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article249275066 |title=No Title |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Courier]] |volume=XXVII, |issue=4207 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=17 December 1880 |accessdate=22 November 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Telegraph linesman accidentally killed at Ballarat <blockquote>'''NEWS AND NOTES.''' . . . A fatal accident occurred on Saturday fore-noon to a telegraph line repairer, named Nehemiah Barnes, while engaged in operations near the Guiding Star hotel. It appears that the unfortunate man had ascended a telegraph pole to make some repairs, when it broke off close to the butt, and he was precipitated violently to the ground, his head striking the earth and being literally crushed in. He was forthwith conveyed to the Hospital in an insensible state, blood issuing from his mouth and ears. All the medical assistance that could be rendered was forthcoming, and the wardsmen sat up all night with the sufferer, but human aid was unavailing, and he breathed his last on Sunday evening. The deceased, who was a married man with a family, resided near the Telegraph-office, in Lydiard street.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article200653149 |title=NEWS AND NOTES. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXV, |issue=303 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=20 December 1880 |accessdate=22 November 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Death of Barnes attributed to negligence by inspector of telegraphs <blockquote>'''LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY.''' Tuesday, 21st December. . . . THE LATE FATAL ACCIDENT TO BARNES. Mr Mason drew the attention of the Post-master-General to a recent fatal accident at Ballarat to a line repairer named Barnes, which, it was stated, was due to the negligence of the inspector of telegraphs. Mr Langridge said he was not acquainted with the circumstances of the case, but would make enquiries.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article200653228 |title=LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXV, |issue=305 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=22 December 1880 |accessdate=22 November 2020 |page=3 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> ====1881==== <!-- <blockquote><ref></ref></blockquote> --> =====1881 01===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Ballarat Star journalist careful to protect Bechervaise and specify alleged corruption was at Ballarat East Post Office <blockquote>'''NEWS AND NOTES.''' . . . We are informed that the board appointed to enquire into the accusations made against a Ballarat East telegraph official of revealing the contents of telegrams, will sit next week for the purpose of investigating the circumstances. The officer in question is now relieved from duty, and it is only fair that the investigation should take place as soon as possible. <ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article200653778 |title=NEWS AND NOTES. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXVI, |issue=6 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=7 January 1881 |accessdate=22 November 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise attends a subscription banquet to celebrate the first 25 years of Ballarat City <blockquote>'''THE FIRST 25 YEARS OF BALLARAT CITY.''' A subscription banquet, in celebration of the completion of the first quarter of a century of Ballarat West municipality was held at Craig's hotel, last night. Mayor Lewis (the present mayor and one of the oldest public men of the city) presided, and the vice-chairs were filled by Councillor W. Scott, of Ballarat East, and Mr Hy. Cherry. There were present the following gentlemen:— On the right of the chairman — The hon. Major Smith, Minister of Education; Messrs G. R. Fincham and Brophy, M.L.A.; Rev. W. Henderson; Messrs J. Fry, H. Costin, W. Tulloch, G. Smith, C. Bailey, H. B. Chalmers, G. C. Robinson, A. Mercer, R. C. Young, Councillor W. Scott, Messrs W. O. Burrows and W. B. Withers, Councillor Theo. Williams, Messrs A. Orr, B. Hepburn, '''W. P. Bechervaise''', H. R. Caselli, Councillor D. Turpie, and Mr J. B. Humffray. On the left of the chairman — The Hons. Hy. Cuthbert and P. Russell, M.L.C.; Mayor W. Robertson (Ballarat East), Messrs J. McDonald and R. M. Serjeant, Sub-inspector Babington, Messrs G. Perry, R. Trengrove, J. Richards, J. B. Cathcart, J. Lake, G. Lovitt, C. C. Shoppee, Henry Cherry, T. Wells, J. McDonald, J. M. Main, J. Fitzgerald, M. Whiteside, Councillor J. Phillips, Councillor F. M. Claxton, and Councillor J. N. Wilson. After a very good spread, supplied by Host Thompson, had been exhaustively discussed, the chairman rose and proposed the usual toasts, which were duly honored. . . .<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article249276697 |title=THE FIRST 25 YEARS OF BALLARAT CITY. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Courier]] |volume=XXVIII, |issue=4233 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=18 January 1881 |accessdate=22 November 2020 |page=3 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise part of team within Ballarat Yacht Club organising competition on Lake Wendouree for Governor's visit <blockquote>'''SPORTING INTELLIGENCE. AQUATICS.''' The committee of the Ballarat Yacht Club met at the club-rooms on Tuesday evening, when Commodore Edwards presided, and there was a good attendance. The hon. secretary reported as to the wish of the president (Sir Samuel Wilson) that an aquatic spectacle be provided on Saturday afternoon next, when his guests — his Excellency the Governor and the Earl and Countess of Ellesmere — would visit Ballarat and Lake Wendouree; also that he had been informed by Mayor Lewis that the City and Town Council intended receiving the vice-regal party and providing a steamer for their accommodation at Wendouree. It was agreed to invite all the owners of yachts to have their craft at the starting moorings at 2.30 p.m. on Saturday next. Commodore Edwards and the hon. secretary were deputed to wait upon Mayor Lewis on Wednesday afternoon, in order to ascertain what arrangements are being made by the two councils. Messrs '''Bechervaise''', Mann, and Downie were appointed handicappers for Saturday's proceedings, with the following result:— Viola, Grand Flaneur, and Reporter, at scratch; Pinafore, 1 min.; Victoria, 1 min.; Kathleen, 1 min. 30 sec.; Maid of Kent, 2 min.; Endeavour, 2 min.; Albert, 2 min.; Argyle, 2 min. 30 sec. The event will be three times round the sailing course, for a prize to be fixed before the day without entrance money. Scratch rowing matches will also be improvised for the occasion, and should the weather prove favourable a very enjoyable afternoon may be anticipated.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article200654266 |title=SPORTING INTELLIGENCE. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXVI, |issue=17 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=20 January 1881 |accessdate=22 November 2020 |page=3 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Postmaster-General Langridge announces that no possibility of further employment for young lady telegraphists for some time, certain to impact upon Bechervaise's telegraphy classes <blockquote>The Postmaster-General wishes it to be known that there is no possibility of any young ladies being engaged in the Postal or Telegraph department for some time to come. Every day he receives numerous applications from those who have qualified themselves as telegraphists and the books of the department contain the names of several hundred applicants, but all the offices are filled. The "bill room," where a record of the contents of each letter bag was formerly kept, has been abolished and a record of only registered and insufficiently stamped letters is now kept. This places four young ladies at liberty and some difficulty is experienced in finding employment for them in the other offices. In some cases three and four sisters of families in comfortable, if not affluent, circumstances are said to be employed in the department, and Mr. Langridge proposes shortly to dispense with the services of some of these, in order to afford openings for indigent but well educated and qualified young ladies. A report upon the number and position of the female employés in the postal and telegraph offices is now being prepared by Mr Jackson for the Postmaster-General. Since Mr. Langridge's acceptance of office, he has not made one fresh appointment, but the vacancies which have occurred in the postmastership of both Geelong and Sandhurst have enabled a general promotion to take place throughout the department.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article5981775 |title=The Argus. |newspaper=[[The Argus (Melbourne)]] |issue=10,793 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=20 January 1881 |accessdate=22 November 2020 |page=5 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise acts a starter for Ballarat Yacht Club at Lake Wendouree competition for Governor's visit <blockquote>'''THE VICE-REGAL VISIT.''' His Excellency the Marquis of Normanby and party arrived in Ballarat on Saturday morning from Ercildoune, the estate of Sir Samuel Wilson, by the train arriving at ten minutes to 11 o'clock. Their worships the Mayors of City and Town, Major Smith, the Rev. Mr. Kildahl, Subinspector Babington, Cr Phillips, Mr Perry (city clerk), and several other gentlemen received the vice-regal party at the Ballarat West railway station, where they were briefly welcomed by the mayors, and the carriages in. . . . The visitors were next driven to LAKE WENDOUREE, passing by the Hospital on the way. Capt. Hennah's steamboat, the "Ballarat," was in waiting, and the party, with a number of friends embarking, it steamed up the lake. As it neared the yachts lying at their moorings off View Point the crews on board gave a hearty cheer. The signal to "go" was given, and the following-named boats shook out their gibs, and went away before a strong south-east breeze:— Grand Flaneur, Capt. Morey; Pinafore, Capt. T. Bailey; Reporter, Capt. Hathorn; Viola, Capt. Wm. Bailey; Victoria, Commodore Edwards; Kathleen, Capt. A. Gates; Albert, Capt. G. Davis; Maid of Kent, Capt. Thurling; Argyle, Capt. McDougall; Endeavour, Capt. T. Ward; Ballarat East, Capt. J. Taylor. In the first round the Reporter took the lead, but in the second she was replaced by the Grand Flaneur, who maintained the position to the finish of the race, which was three times round the course. The order and times of the three leading boats were as follow:— 1, Grand Flaneur, 1 hour 29 min. 5 sec.; 2, Pinafore, 1 hour 31 min. 35 sec.; 3, Reporter, 1 hour 31 min. 40 sec. Mr H. R. Caselli acted as judge, and Mr '''Bechervaise''' as starter. . . .<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article200654403 |title=THE VICE-REGAL VISIT. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXVI, |issue=20 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=24 January 1881 |accessdate=22 November 2020 |page=3 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise plays a minor part in the response to the serious train accident at Beaufort <blockquote>'''THE RAILWAY COLLISION AT BEAUFORT.''' No new facts have come to light with regard to the serious and unfortunate collision that occurred at Beaufort on Wednesday, but the following additional details are taken from the Ballarat Courier of yesterday:— At a quarter to eleven o'clock on Wednesday morning a mixed train left Stawell for Ballarat. . . . The following telegram as to the condition of the sufferers was received at the Railway department yesterday:— Saw Drs. Shiels and Owen at the hospital at fifteen minutes past twelve, they say Mrs. Spencer passed a bad night; now in precarious state. The boy Mazzini dangerously injured; others doing well and likely to recover.— '''W. P. BECHERVAISE.''' . . .<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article204048423 |title=THE RAILWAY COLLISION AT BEAUFORT. |newspaper=[[The Age]] |issue=8,099 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=28 January 1881 |accessdate=22 November 2020 |page=3 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Portion of Inquiry into corruption at Ballarat East Post Office to be conducted at Bechervaise's post office <blockquote>'''NEWS AND NOTES.''' . . . The departmental enquiry in reference to a charge against Mr Whitelaw, of the Ballarat East Telegraph-office, of having given information respecting the contents of telegrams received by him in connection with his office as telegraphic clerk, will be held today, at the Melbourne Post-office, at 2 o’clock. Mr Wm. S. Whitelaw, we hear, went down to Melbourne on Wednesday. The local enquiry on the same subject will be held on next Wednesday, at 2 o'clock, at the Ballarat Post-office. The Hon. Robert Ramsay will preside as chairman of the board of enquiry, and the other members will be Messrs Charles Le Cren and Frederick Call. Summonses in the case have been issued through Mr Sub-inspector Babington.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article200654541 |title=NEWS AND NOTES. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXVI, |issue=24 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=28 January 1881 |accessdate=22 November 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> As previous <blockquote>'''NEWS AND NOTES.''' . . . The board recently appointed by the Government to enquire into the charges made against Mr Whitelaw, a telegraph operator at Ballarat, of having divulged the contents of telegrams transmitted through that office, held a first sitting at the Melbourne General Post-office on Friday. The charge has (we learn from the Daily Telegraph) been made by a young man named Yates, formerly a clerk in the office of Mr Stoddart, sharebroker, Ballarat, but who is now a prisoner at Pentridge, and is to the effect that Whitelaw systematically acquainted Stoddart with the contents of mining telegrams passing through the office. The members of the board — the Hon. R. Ramsay, Mr Call, P.M., and Mr Le Cren, the secretary for Public Works — will not conclude their labours for several days, as it will be necessary for them to visit Ballarat this week to examine witnesses.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article200654634 |title=NEWS AND NOTES. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXVI, |issue=26 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=31 January 1881 |accessdate=22 November 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1881 02===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Brief, almost misleading report of the Whitelaw investigation <blockquote>The board appointed to investigate the charge brought against Mr Whitelaw, post and telegraph master for Ballarat East, sat yesterday in the Treasury buildings. The board consists of Messrs Ramsay, Call, and Le Cren. Mr Watson appeared to watch the case on behalf of Mr Thomas Stoddart, sharebroker, and Detective Lomax on behalf of the department. The charge preferred against Mr Whitelaw was that in 1877 he gave information to Mr Stoddart respecting telegrams passing through the office, and received moneys in payment for the same. The witnesses examined were — Messrs '''Bechervaise''', Blandford, Yates, Stoddart, Glenny, and Whitelaw, L. Pritchard, C. Yates, and telegraph messengers Graham, Robson, and Sullivan. The latter gave evidence to the effect that he took a memo from Mr Whitelaw to Mr Stoddart in 1877, and that was the only memo he took out that year. Messrs '''Bechervaise''' and Blandford were of opinion that the latter part of the evidence was incorrect, as memos were often sent out of the office, for instance in case of accident to the line, to apprise any person who had sent a telegram that the answer would be delayed. The answer to the charge was Mr Whitelaw had owed Mr Stoddart £2 — a loan — and that he repaid this sum. This was the only money passing between them. Mr Stoddart produced the blocks of his cheque books for 1877-78, and it was there shown that this £2 was the only amount paid to Mr Whitelaw. The charge has practically broken down, and the board, after examining the blocks of the cheque books, had no desire to continue the investigation. The board sat previously in Melbourne, and examined George Yates and messenger Sullivan. <ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article249278283 |title=No Title |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Courier]] |volume=XXVIII, |issue=4247 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=3 February 1881 |accessdate=23 November 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise makes input to placement of fire hose-reel near post office <blockquote>'''BALLARAT CITY FIRE BRIGADE.''' The ordinary monthly meeting of the above brigade was held at the station on Tuesday evening; Captain Hennah in the chair, and thirty-five members were present. Correspondence — From the Postmaster-General, the Hon. Major Smith, and Mr Bechervaise, re site for hose-reel station in Lydiard street. Received; and it was resolved to accept the conditions under which the favor was granted, and to thank the officers of the department for the promptitude shown in the replies to the brigade's correspondence.— From the Ballarat Water Commission, thanking the brigade for turning out on the occasion of the late fire at the water reserves. Received.— From the City Council, re vote to the demonstration committee. Referred to the brigade's delegates on that committee.— From the Soldiers' Hill Juvenile Temperance Fire Brigade, thanking the brigade for loan of torches. Received.— Received.— Some other correspondence of a routine character was received and dealt with.— The finance committee's report, recommending the payment of accounts to the amount of £39 17s 6d, was received and adopted.— The captain reported re steam fire-engine. Adopted.— The secretary ported that five fires had occurred during the month, at which the attendance was up to the average; and that he had received donations of £2 2s each from Messrs Marshall, and Chalk; also some other donations to the steam fire-engine fund, already acknowledged. Report adopted.— Resolved— "That as the roll is full, Messrs McGeary and Grant be placed on the reserve list. Messrs L. Bateman and T. Gray were proposed as new members. The roll was then called, and after the usual vote of thanks the meeting closed.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article249278345 |title=BALLARAT CITY FIRE BRIGADE. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Courier]] |volume=XXVIII, |issue=4247 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=3 February 1881 |accessdate=24 November 2020 |page=4 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> More comprehensive report of the Whitelaw proceedings by the Ballarat Star <blockquote>'''THE CHARGE AGAINST MR WHITELAW.''' The local enquiry into the charge preferred against Mr W. S. Whitelaw, post and telegraph master in the Town office, was held in the post-office, Ballarat West, on Wednesday morning, before the special board appointed for that purpose, and including the following gentlemen:— The Hon. Robert Ramsay (chairman), Mr Charles Le Cren, and Mr Frederick Call. The charge against Mr Whitelaw was that he did give certain information to Mr Thomas Stoddart, mining broker, of Ballarat, concerning the contents of telegrams which passed through his (Whitelaw's) hands, and were not directed to or intended for that gentleman, and that for thus supplying news Whitelaw received money from him. The first enquiry before the board was held in the Melbourne General Post-office on Friday last, when George Yates and a young man named Sullivan were examined. Sullivan at that enquiry stated that when he was engaged in the Ballarat Post-office in 1877, as messenger, he constantly took memoranda from Whitelaw to Mr Stoddart, and that this circumstance was exceptional, he having conveyed no other memoranda to other gentlemen from him. Geo. Yates, at one time employed in Mr Stoddart's office as a clerk, asserted that memoranda had been received by that gentleman from Whitelaw whilst he (Yates) was in his employment, and that cheques had within his knowledge been paid over to Whitelaw by Stoddart, in exchange for the memoranda, which contained mining intelligence of use to the latter named. On Wednesday the following named witnesses were examined:— Messrs '''Bechervaise''', Blandford, Glenny, Alfred Yates, Charles Yates, Lewis Pritchard, J. J. Pritchard, and messengers Graham, of Creswick, and Robson. Detective Lomax, conducted the case on behalf of the department; Mr C. M. Watson watched the proceedings on behalf of Mr T. Stoddart. Messrs '''Bechervaise''' and Blandford, who were inclined to attach but little importance to the testimony of Sullivan, bore testimony to the high character for probity and integrity borne by Mr Whitelaw during his term of office in the Ballarat Post office. The messengers gave evidence to the effect that they had taken memoranda from Whitelaw to Stoddart, but admitted that there was nothing unusual in this, as they frequently took memoranda from the office to gentlemen on the Corner and in other parts of the city. Mr Glenny was examined, and described how his suspicion was aroused in the matter. He had waited upon Whitelaw immediately after hearing the rumour, and was informed by him that he had received money from Stoddart. Mr Stoddart produced the blocks of the cheque-books used by him from the beginning of 1877 to the beginning of 1878. Examination of these blocks conclusively proved that he had not been in the habit of giving cheques to Mr Whitelaw. Mr Stoddart admitted having given £2 to Mr Whitelaw in May, 1877, as a loan, which sum was afterwards repaid him by that gentleman. As accounting for the passing of memoranda from Whitelaw to Stoddart, the former admitted that he had speculated in certain mines, but denied in toto that he had furnished any information to the latter which had not been intended for him but for others. The evidence of the Yates, father and son, and other witnesses, was in the nature of hearsay, and they knew of nothing touching on the point at issue of their own knowledge. The labours of the board, as far as concern the taking of evidence, are now, we believe, at an end, and its decision will be made known in the course of a few days.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article200654774 |title=THE CHARGE AGAINST MR WHITELAW. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXVI, |issue=29 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=3 February 1881 |accessdate=23 November 2020 |page=3 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise again performs the duties of starter for Ballarat Yacht Club <blockquote>'''SPORTING INTELLIGENGE.''' AQUATICS. FIRST CONTEST FOR THE HEPBURN TROPHY. The first event in the competition for the beautiful and valuable service of plate presented as a trophy by Mr B. Hepburn, took place on Lake Wendouree on Saturday afternoon, 5th February. The weather was unfavourable for sight-seekers, the bright, scorching sunlight, coupled with the whirling clouds of dust that filled the streets, acting no doubt as a deterrent to intending visitors. However, so far as the sailing match was concerned the weather conditions could scarcely have been more favourable. There was a fine steady "close reefed" gale blowing from the south-east, and the sky was so bright that the spectators on the margin of the lake could see distinctly the positions of the boats throughout the race. With the exception of the presence of some visitors, including a sprinkling of the fair sex, there were no signs of unusual activity about the lake until about half-past 2 o'clock p.m., when some of the yachtsmen began to put their boats in trim. Eventually, "the sails were unfurled to the sighing wind," and the yachts were brought round into their respective positions at View Point. The following were the competitors:— The Argyle, sailed by Mr A. Clinton; the Viola, sailed by Mr R. Thurling; the Pinafore, sailed by Mr T. Bailey; the Grand Flaneur, sailed by Mr E. Morey; the Reporter, sailed by Mr G. Hathorn; the Victoria, sailed by Commodore Edwards; the Ballarat East, sailed by Mr T. Taylor; and the Faugh-a-Ballagh, sailed by Mr T. Gill. By this time Gill's Wendouree steamer, freighted with a number of the leading local nautical spirits, and also containing Mr '''Bechervaise''', starter, and Mr W. Downie, secretary, was lying alongside the pier, and the judge and timekeeper, Mr H. R. Caselli, J.P., had stationed himself at his post. Everything being in readiness Mr '''Bechervaise''' gave the signal for starting, and a fair start was effected. Just at starting, however, the Faugh-a-Ballagh had her mast carried away within two or three feet of the boards. Away the others went scudding before the gale, the display of canvas, though not so extensive as usual, being still very beautiful. The Wendouree, with her yachting freight, steamed up in the rear, and afforded a nice view of the competition. As rounding the garden island the first time, the Viola was slightly ahead, with the Victoria second, Grand Flaneur third, and the others in a cluster, but as rounding Brace’s buoy the position had somewhat changed, for though the Viola was still first, the Pinafore had taken second place, with the Reporter third, Grand Flaneur fourth, and Victoria fifth, and they proceeded on towards View Point in that order. As passing View Point the Wendouree steamer remained for a few minutes to allow such of the passengers as wished to disembark an opportunity of doing so. In the second round Pinafore took the lead, maintaining it through the remainder of the race. Towards the close the interest in the contest increased, and there was a cheer for the Pinafore as she came in leading the van, with Grand Flaneur second, Viola third, and the Argyle fourth. The time in which the three rounds were completed was as follows:— Pinafore, 1 hour 22 min.; Grand Flaneur, 1 hour 22 min. 30 sec.; Viola, 1 hour 23 min.; Argyle, 1 hour 37 min. 55 sec. The time allowance was ½ min. per foot. . . .<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article200654904 |title=SPORTING INTELLIGENGE. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXVI, |issue=32 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=7 February 1881 |accessdate=24 November 2020 |page=3 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> First report of the outcome of the Whitelaw Board of Enquiry <blockquote>Our Melbourne correspondent, in his letter of last night, states that the board of enquiry to enquire into the charges against Mr Whitelaw, telegraph master of Ballarat East, has sent in its report, which completely exonerates the accused. The Minister has endorsed the finding.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article200654938 |title=NEWS AND NOTES. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXVI, |issue=33 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=8 February 1881 |accessdate=24 November 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Main body of the report of the Whitelaw Board of Enquiry, by no means comprehensive <blockquote>'''THE WHITELAW BOARD.''' (FROM OUR MELBOURNE CORRESPONDENT). Tuesday. The following is a copy of the report of the above board regarding certain charges made against Mr W. S. Whitelaw:— "We have carefully considered the question submitted to us in this matter, having held three sittings on the subject. "After examining messenger Sullivan at the General Post-office, Melbourne, we proceeded to Pentridge, and took the evidence of the prisoner Yates there. On the 2nd instant we proceeded to Ballarat and took the evidence of the following witnesses:— Lewis Pritchard, James Pritchard, Henry Glenny, Charles Yates, Thomas Stoddart, Alfred Yates, E. J. Toy, R. J. Graham, Wm. Robson, '''W. P. Bechervaise''', and Mr Blandford. We also carefully examined the whole of the block cheque-books produced by the witness Stoddart, and found that there was only one entry of a loan by Stoddart to Whitelaw — that on the 11th May, 1877, for £2, which had subsequently been repaid. "We are clearly of opinion that there are no grounds for the charge, which evidently originated from the prisoner Yates, formerly a clerk in Stoddart's employ, and who seems to have been prosecuted by Stoddart and subsequently convicted. "The fact that he did not make use of the information which he now discloses in order to prevent his prosecution by Stoddart weighs considerably with us in coming to the conclusion at which we have unanimously arrived. In the course of the enquiry it incidentally transpired that Whitelaw had two small transactions in mining shares with Mr Stoddart about six years ago, and although that does not immediately affect the present enquiry, the board suggest that the regulation prohibiting officers in the telegraph service from having any interest whatever in mining transactions should be strictly enforced. "We attach herewith the evidence taken by the board. "Robert Ramsay, Chairman. "F. Call. "Charles Le Cren. "Melbourne, 4th February, 1881."<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article200655011 |title=THE WHITELAW BOARD. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXVI, |issue=33 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=9 February 1881 |accessdate=24 November 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise elected treasurer of the Ballarat Regatta Committee <blockquote>'''NEWS AND NOTES.''' . . . The Ballarat Regatta Committee met on Tuesday night at Lester's hotel to make arrangements for the forthcoming regatta at Lake Wendouree on Monday next; Mr H. R. Caselli occupied the chair. There was a good muster of members of both the City and the Ballarat Rowing Clubs present. The secretary reported having received a letter from Dr O'Connor, Bishop of Ballarat, forwarding a donation of two guineas; also from the Corio Bay Rowing Club, respecting the value of trophies in connection with the Challenge Cup; and various other correspondence. Mr '''W. P. Bechervaise''', Mr W. Pobjoy, and Mr J. Garbutt were unanimously elected as treasurer, starter, and judge respectively. A letter was read from the City Council, notifying that the afternoon of Monday next would be proclaimed a holiday, in accordance with the request of the committee, and arrangements were made for a deputation to wait on the banks and the shopkeepers to obtain their consent to close for the half day. It was also decided that the hon. Minister of Education be asked to grant a State school holiday for the occasion, to all schools within a radius of ten miles. In the programme were arranged two yachting events, the first of which will start at 12 o'clock. Several matters of minor importance were then disposed of, and the meeting adjourned till Thursday, when the entries will be received for the various events, which promise this year to be more numerous than usual.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article200655253 |title=NEWS AND NOTES. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXVI, |issue=39 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=16 February 1881 |accessdate=24 November 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1881 03===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Rumour that Bechervaise to be appointed to inspectorship of post and telegraph offices <blockquote>'''LATEST INTELLIGENCE.''' (BY ELECTRIC TELEGRAPH.) (FROM OUR OWN CORRESPONDENT.) VICTORIA. BALLARAT, 28th February. Mr. '''Bechervaise''', it is said, is to be removed from here, and be appointed to an inspectorship of post and telegraph offices.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article88631320 |title=LATEST INTELLIGENCE. |newspaper=[[Bendigo Advertiser]] |volume=XXVIII, |issue=8,006 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=1 March 1881 |accessdate=24 November 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise again acts as starter for the Ballarat Yacht Club <blockquote>'''SPORTING INTELLIGENCE. THE STODDART TROPHY.''' A considerable number of the local lovers of aquatics, including a sprinkling of the fair sex, assembled at Lake Wendouree on Saturday afternoon, 12th March, to witness the competition in the second event for the Stoddart Trophy. The cloudy and threatening aspect of the weather in the forenoon no doubt prevented the attendance from being larger. However, the rain held off, and the event was very enjoyable. The time fixed for starting was half-past 3 o'clock p.m., and shortly before the appointed hour the competitive yachts, six in number and well manned, were in proper position, with their sails spread to the south-west breeze. The Reporter was sailed by Captain Hathorn, the Pinafore by Captain T. Bailey, Grand Flaneur by Captain Morey, the Viola by Captain W. Bailey, IXL by Captain Gill, and the Victoria by Captain Pritchard. The judge and timekeeper, Mr H. R. Caselli, J.P., the starter, Mr '''Bechervaise''', and the secretary, Mr W. Downie, were at their posts as usual, evincing much interest in the discharge of their duties, and leaving nothing undone "officially" that could help to bring off the affair with eclat. Everything being in readiness, Mr '''Bechervaise''' gave the word, the moorings were slipped, and a fair start was effected, the yachts going off in pretty close companionship in a south-west gale. In the course to Brace’s buoy there was some beating; the buoy, however, was first rounded by the Reporter, with Pinafore second, the Viola third, and the others following. These positions were maintained till the second round, when the Reporter, falling off in speed, enabled Pinafore to gain Brace’s buoy in one tack, and come within two or three lengths of the former. There was no noteworthy alteration, in the positions of the other yachts. In the third round Grand Flaneur improved her pace and gained third position, the winners of the event passing the judge's stand as follows:— Reporter, first; time, 1 hour 35 min. 50 sec. Pinafore, second; time, 1 hour 37 min. 10 sec. Grand Flaneur, third; time, 1 hour 37 min. 25 sec. Owing to the shifting of the wind towards the close of the match, the other yachts, in spite of the gallant and determined efforts of the experienced crews, were spread about considerably, and were not timed. Up till the present the points gained by the victorious yachts are as follow:— Reporter, 8; Pinafore, 8; Grand Flaneur, 2; and IXL, 2. After the event was concluded the official business was wound up at Lake View hotel, and it was decided that the next event take place on next Saturday afternoon, at half-past 3 o'clock. Some fervent aspirations were expressed for a good downpour of rain in the interim to raise the water in the lake; and among the jocular compliments interchanged it was remarked that Mr T. Mann, who formerly took such an interest in rowing, had turned his attention to yachting, and was now main-sheet man of the Grand Flaneur, having gained this honour not by sticking close to his desk and never going to sea, but by active and efficient service on board.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article219327199 |title=SPORTING INTELLIGENCE. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXVI, |issue=61 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=14 March 1881 |accessdate=24 November 2020 |page=3 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> The Ballarat Regatta Committee winds up with a vote of thanks to office bearers including Bechervaise <blockquote>'''NEWS AND NOTES.''' . . . The Ballarat Regatta Committee held their final meeting last night at Lester's hotel, for the purpose of winding up affairs in connection with the regatta of 1881. The secretary, Mr W. J. Gates, presented the balance-sheet, which was read and adopted, showing the receipts to be equal to the expenditure, all accounts rendered being paid, and cash in the hands of the treasurer for some trophy accounts not yet presented. The chairman complimented all present on the successful termination of their labours. The meeting terminated with a unanimous vote of thanks to the chairman, Mr H. R. Caselli, and to the hon. treasurer, Mr '''W. P. Bechervaise'''.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article219327276 |title=NEWS AND nOTeS. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXVI, |issue=63 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=16 March 1881 |accessdate=24 November 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> The reduced class numbers in Telegraphy at School of Mines clearly reduced <blockquote>'''NEWS AND NOTES.''' . . . The board of examiners, Messrs R. L. J. Ellery, F.R.S., and S. W. McGowan, superintendent of telegraphs, Victoria, conducted an examination in telegraphy at the School of Mines yesterday. The following are the successful candidates who passed:— Miss Mary Skelton (with credit), Miss Jessie Budden, and Miss Annette Budden. <ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article219327646 |title=NEWS AND NOTES. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXVI, |issue=72 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=26 March 1881 |accessdate=24 November 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Long treatise on the benefits of keeping females in the public service after marriage, cites telegraphists as a specific case where extended experience is beneficial <blockquote>'''MARRIED FEMALE TEACHERS.''' TO THE EDITOR OF THE STAR. SIR,— As you are aware, Mr Quick, M.P., has given notice in the Legislative Assembly of his intention to ask the hon. the Minister of Public Instruction if he intends to cause female teachers to retire from the service of the Education Department when they get married, and by so doing, to place the Education Department upon the same footing as the Postal Department, from which females are compelled to retire upon their marriage. I trust you will allow me space to point out the want of analogy, between the two cases, and to make some general remarks on the subject. Females in the Postal Department (I except the Telegraph Department) have not to pass any special examination to qualify themselves for their positions; they have not to undergo any special training; nor is the nature of the duties they have to perform such as is considerably improved by experience and length of service; neither can they be looked upon as having any professional standing. The duties which, I am informed, are generally performed by females in the Postal Department are — Selling stamps, tying up mailbags, heating sealing-wax, obliterating postage stamps, stamping letters, sorting letters, making up and despatching mails, and other like light duties, the performance of which does not bring into play the exercise of any high intellectual powers; nor does continued experience in these duties necessarily make a person more expert in the performance of them. With the majority of the females in the Education Department the case is entirely different. Before they can obtain employment, they must pass a fairly stiff examination, and must show that they are "apt to teach," this latter giving a professional value to their abilities. Take the case of a female who obtains a trained teacher's certificate. Before being allowed to even enter the institution, she must pass a difficult elementary examination, such as matriculation or first-class pupil teacher's. She has then to spend at least two years in the training schools, and besides passing a higher examination in elementary subjects, has to pass in singing, drawing, drill, gymnastics, Latin, French, history, Euclid, algebra, physiology, botany, chemistry, and others, which I cannot just now call to mind. Again, her education costs the State something like £150, and it is compulsory up her that she shall teach for at least four years in any school to which she may be appointed, and she has to find security to the extent of £100 that she will do so. Now, if a trained teacher, should teach for the mere minimum length of time required by the department, the average cost of her education a year will be £150 divide 4 = £37 10s, and another teacher will then have to be trained in her place at a similar cost. But suppose that she should remain in the department for say twenty years, the cost of her training would be only £150 divide 20 = £7 10s per annum; so that the longer she taught the smaller would be the ratio of the cost of her education to the State. To what advantage, then, is it that we should give the above-quoted high-class education to females if they must compulsorily quit the service when they get married? I think it will be generally admitted by most that experience and length of service are requisite and necessary to produce a good teacher. The longer a teacher is employed, the more experienced will she become. I think also it will be admitted that an educated and experienced married woman is above all others the most fitted to impart elementary knowledge to children. Her sympathies are larger than those of young girls, and from practical knowledge in her own home she acquires an additional experience in managing the little ones at school. Who, for instance, is more fitted to be the teacher of an infant class than an educated and experienced mother of a family? I shall now cite an example as to the relative merits of the same teacher under different circumstances.— A female teacher passes for a trained teacher’s certificate. She gets employed in a school for four years, and then gets married and leaves the service. The same woman is allowed to continue to teach, and continues to do so for say twenty years. Under which of these conditions is she the more useful to the State? Why, unquestionably in the latter case. In the first instance we have a female who possesses a certain amount of literary knowledge, and a certain theoretical amount of teaching ability. She enters the schools, and just as she has served a four years' practical apprenticeship she leaves. In the second instance we find the same woman continuing to teach, continuing to obtain additional experience, and her influence in the school greatly increased through her having become a married woman, in whom the parents of the children would have much more confidence than they would have in a young girl, whom they would look upon as one who entered the teaching profession simply as a makeshift until "she got married." There cannot be the slightest doubt but that married females in a school raise its tone and morale, and from time immemorial it has been the notion amongst English people that a married couple should be at the head of a mixed school of boys and girls. The late Board of Education fostered and encouraged marriage amongst teachers by every means in their power. They held that when teachers got married there was a likelihood of their remaining in the profession for life. So also has it been the policy of the Education Department up to the present time, but they have made the wise provision, that where the head teacher's wife is employed in the same school she shall receive 20 per cent. less income than any other female would be entitled to in the same position. From personal knowledge — and I have had the experience of a quarter of a century in the matter — I believe that the schools conducted by head teachers and their wives are among the very best in the colony, both in education and morality. Four of the best conducted training schools in the colony are conducted by head teachers and their wives. I must admit, also, that married females, almost without exception, are the best teachers in the colony, and we have a practical proof of this in the Ballarat schools alone, in which most of the first assistants are married females, and well known to be thoroughly good teachers. I don't think that there is any duty in connection with the Post-office that an intelligent female might not be able to learn in six months, but it takes half a lifetime to make a sound practical teacher. Another argument against dismissing female teachers on their marriage is, that this practically places an embargo on matrimony. For this reason alone I do not believe in dismissing females, even from the Postal Department, on their marriage. Victoria bears the unenviable notoriety of being the colony whose marriage rate is the lowest in Australasia; of being a land, in fact, "where her maidens are not given to marriage."— Yours, &c., WATCHMAN.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article219327683 |title=MARRIED FEMALE TEACHERS. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXVI, |issue=73 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=28 March 1881 |accessdate=24 November 2020 |page=3 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1881 04===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Bechervaise again acts as starter for the Ballarat Yacht Club <blockquote>'''SPORTING INTELLIGENCE. THE MILLARD TROPHY.''' Saturday afternoon last was all that could be wished for yachting, the weather being fine with a good breeze from the east, and as a consequence a large number of persons were present to witness one of the most interesting contests of the season, namely, the first event for the Millard Trophy, for which seven yachts took up moorings. These comprised the Grand Flaneur (Captain Morey), Viola (Captain W. Bailey), Pinafore (Captain T. Bailey), Reporter (Captain Hathorn), Victoria (Captain Thurling), Kathleen (Captain Gill), and Argyle. At the appointed hour Mr '''Bechervaise''' sent the fleet off on the port tack, when the lot squared away for Brace’s, the Reporter, Pinafore, and Victoria being in the van, and rounding the beacon in the order named, the first two almost lapping, while the remainder came almost abreast a short distance astern. <ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article219327942 |title=SPORTING INTELLIGENCE. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXVI, |issue=79 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=4 April 1881 |accessdate=24 November 2020 |page=3 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> The insufficient depth of the Whitelaw inquiry seems to have resulted in similar questions being raised about the Bendigo telegraph office <blockquote>'''TELEGRAPHIC SECRECY.''' THE members of the Bendigo Stock Exchange have resolved upon petitioning the Postmaster-General in reference to some matters in connection with the local telegraph office. Judging by current rumors, it seems time some action was taken in getting the Minister to make searching inquiry into the working of the local branch of the Telegraphic Department. In a paragraph published by us a few days ago it was stated that through a laxity of system which seems to prevail in the office, the messengers have ample opportunities of learning the contents of passing telegrams, and although the operators are bound to secrecy, as regards information passing through their hands, no such obligations seem to hinder the messengers. They may be cautioned, but a caution with youths is a lax tether upon their consciences. There is, however, a great deal more behind the scenes than the messengers' question in the grievance, which the deputation from the Stock Exchange desire to lay before the Minister. This hidden grievance is but indirectly implied, and a mistaken leniency of feeling upon the part of the gentlemen who will interview Mr. Langridge may not make this grievance perfectly plain. It has been felt throughout mining circles for a long time past that the local telegraph office is not a secret means of communication between broker and broker, or client and broker, and, although we cannot point to any direct evidence in support of it, we may state that there has been strong suspicion that the contents of telegrams have been improperly made use of by individuals interested in market operations. It is only the other day that an instance occurred of the contents of a telegram, from a gentleman in Melbourne to his broker, becoming mysteriously known to a large investor in mining, and it is strongly alleged that one of the rules of the Department, to the effect that none of the employes shall engage in mining speculation, has not been strictly observed. Again, we hear it affirmed, that a certain individual has boasted that he is enabled to learn the contents of messages intended for other people. If such a state of affairs exists, what guarantee, has any one that the contents of messages, which are supposed to be exclusively one's own, have not been purloined on the road? What certainly indicates something being wrong in the Department, is the action of several brokers sending their messages in cypher or couched in phrases understood only by their correspondents; but how far is this telegraphic code applicable to the large business transacted through the office? There can be little doubt but that the major portion of those who use the telegraph may unknowingly incur serious loss through the dishonesty of corrupt officials. Whether such officials exist in the Sandhurst telegraphic office or not it is the duty of the Postmaster-General to find out. We are forced to direct the attention of the Minister to this subject, because for some time past the feeling of dissatisfaction in connection with the Telegraph Department has been gradually increasing, and it is but due both to the department itself and the public that a thorough inquiry should take place. The whole of the officers in the department may be most unjustly maligned, or perhaps all may suffer through the dishonesty of one or a few. It is unjust that they should rest under a stigma in the eyes of the public outside if they are innocent, and it is equally unjust to the public if the department contains a solitary being who is unscrupulous as to how he obtains his information, and how he uses it. Besides, what will the outside public think of our Government institutions if such a system is allowed to prevail unchecked? Will they not have the evil American Boss Tweedism system before their eyes, and refuse to entrust important private affairs to the Telegraph Department, when they feel that such matters may be made public use of? We speak thus plainly upon this subject, because it is false delicacy to imagine that an injury is done to anyone by calling attention to the matter. It would be decidedly wrong in the public interest for us to keep silent when rumor is busy with a hundredfold tongue upon the question, and we feel it our duty to draw the Minister's attention to the advisability of having a thorough inquiry, and removing the cause of complaint, whatever it is. There has been great apparent laxity in the department, and it is obvious that the fault should be immediately remedied, in order to restore the confidence of the public in an institution which carries secrets which are supposed to be as inviolate there as in the proverbial grave. If the telegraphic authorities tacitly sanction the communication of the contents of private telegrams to every Tom, Dick, and Harry, for whom they are not intended, we might just as reasonably expect that the contents of every letter passing through the post-office should be treated in the same manner. And, if a system of corrupt practices exists at all we may fairly inquire to what limits it is likely to be confined? If one section of a department observes another section using with impunity information which is not intended for them, it may naturally be suspected that they will endeavor to make use of the same advantages, and then into what a rotten condition that department may fall. We, therefore, repeat that the finger of suspicion having been pointed at the local telegraph office it is the bounden duty of the Minister to thoroughly inquire into the matter, and see upon what grounds the current rumors of the day are being founded. Until he does so no trust can be placed in the inviobability of messages passed through the local office.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article88632562 |title=TELEGRAPHIC SECRECY. |newspaper=[[Bendigo Advertiser]] |volume=XXVIII, |issue=8,040 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=9 April 1881 |accessdate=24 November 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Internal inquiry into allegations of security breaches at Bendigo Post Office <blockquote>'''NEWS AND NOTES.''' . . . In consequence of allegations having been made in the local press as to a want of secrecy in connection with the transmission of messages through the Sandhurst telegraph office, the Postmaster-General has (the Age states) directed one of the inspectors of the department to inquire into and report on the matter.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article219328377 |title=NEWS AND NOTES. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXVI, |issue=90 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=18 April 1881 |accessdate=24 November 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1881 05===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Bechervaise acts as judge, timekeeper and starter in the Millard Trophy, in the absence of other officials <blockquote>'''THE MILLARD TROPHY.''' The fifth event for the above was sailed on Saturday afternoon. A good burster was blowing from the N.N.W., with heavy rain and squalls, but, true as steel, the "hardy Norsemen" mustered in force. There was some delay in the arrangements, owing to many untoward circumstances, and the Victoria (Lieut. Thurling, R.N.R.), was all behindhand, she appearing to have her mainsail bent where her jib ought to have been. Why will he not keep his bob-stay taut? However, at last (four p.m.) there were six fine yachts at their moorings, ready for the starter's stentorian "let go," and when it was given the sight reminded an old salt of the ancient sea distich, so often sang at war time, "When Britons made the foeman run," after a "yard-arm to yard-arm" bout:— . . . The result of the spin was — Pinafore, 1; Reporter, 2; Argyle, 3; Flaneur, 4; Kathleen 5; Victoria, 6; but the time allowance gave Argyle first place, and Kathleen second, with Pinafore third. The points now stand — Grand Flaneur 11, Reporter 10, Kathleen 13, Pinafore 6, Viola 3, Argyle 7. It is therefore expected that a settlement of Mr Millard's handsome prize will be made next Saturday. Mr '''Bechervaise''' acted as judge, timekeeper, and starter. He also had to "Tail on the fall With the cook, steward, and all," The other officers being absent, it was supposed coursing, but what kind of "coursing" these aged people indulge in is best known to themselves. Messrs Goodall, Stoddart, and Millard, owners of the Reporter, Pinafore, and Victoria respectively, are generally to the fore in their own vessels, but were missed on this occasion, and as for "Old Admiral Ward," he must have another little game on, as his venerable figurehead has not "made its number" for some time past.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article249287068 |title=THE MILLARD TROPHY. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Courier]] |volume=XXVIII, |issue=4327 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=9 May 1881 |accessdate=24 November 2020 |page=4 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise appointed as one of two vice-presidents of the newly-formed Ballarat Gymnastic Institute <blockquote>'''NEWS AND NOTES.''' . . . A meeting was held at Lester's hotel yesterday evening, for the purpose of considering the rules of the proposed gymnasium club, and to enrol members. There were about twenty-five gentlemen present, and Mr Rosenblum was voted to the chair. Mr H. A. King, secretary pro tem, read a report from the subcommittee appointed to draw up the rules, and to select a suitable site for a gymnasium. The report stated that a site north of the Alfred Hall had been fixed upon, and application to be made to the Town Council for a lease of the land for twenty-one years; also that the application had been favourably received, and the land would be obtained at a nominal rent. The action of the subcommittee was approved. It was unanimously resolved that the name of the club be "The Ballarat Gymnastic Institute." The rules were considered seriatim. The subscription was fixed at one guinea per annum, with 10s 6d. entrance fee. It was decided to try to obtain the use of the Alfred Hall until a building was erected. The number of the committee was fixed at seven, with a president, two vice-presidents, a secretary and treasurer; all of the offices to be honorary. It was decided that the appointment of an instructor be postponed for the consideration by the general body of members at a meeting called for the purpose. The committee was empowered to spend the revenue for the benefit of the club. It was decided that no person under sixteen years of age be admitted to membership in the club. The following officers were appointed:— Mr H. A. King, secretary; Mr Rosenblum, president; Messrs '''Bechervaise''' and Garbutt, vice-presidents; Mr Baylee, treasurer; and Messrs F. Smith, G. Gross, H. Young, Alfred Bennett, W. Madden, A. Anderson, and D. Brophy, M.L.A., were elected members of committee. The successful candidates present returned thanks for the honour conferred on them. We may add that the mayors of the City and Town, and the Minister of Education for the time being, are the trustees of the club. Complimentary votes of thanks were passed, and the proceedings closed with a hearty vote of thanks to the chair, three cheers for the club, led by Mr '''Bechervaise''', and a vote of thanks to the press.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article219329436 |title=NEWS AND NOTES. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXVI, |issue=118 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=20 May 1881 |accessdate=24 November 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise plays a prominent part at proceedings to end the year of the Ballarat Yacht Club <blockquote>'''SPORTING INTELLIGENCE. THE MILLARD TROPHY.''' On Saturday afternoon, pursuant to arrangement, the tie between the Reporter and Kathleen for the above trophy was sailed off in the presence of a goodly number of the lovers of nautical sport. Mr H. R. Caselli, J.P., judge, Mr '''Bechervaise''', starter, and Mr W. Downie, secretary, were at their posts as usual. The Reporter went away leading, and maintained that position throughout, thereby carrying off the trophy. The time was as follows:— Reporter, 1 hour 30 min.; Kathleen, 1 hour 37 min. 15 sec. A sweepstakes event was also sailed, the competitors being Pinafore, Grand Flaneur, Argyle, and Victoria. It was a blind handicap. The distance was twice round the course, and, at the conclusion of a splendid contest, the Argyle was the winner. After the sports had been finished the committee adjourned to Lake View hotel, to wind up the business. Mr J. Hickman occupied the chair. The routine matters having been settled, Mr '''Bechervaise''' called upon the company to drink the health of the donor of the trophy, Mr Millard. They were glad to have received such a trophy, and glad that Mr Millard had joined their ranks. The trophy had been given in a grand spirit, and had been well received by the members of the club and the public generally. All had done their duty nobly in the affair, and he had great pleasure in proposing "Mr Millard's Health." The toast was heartily drunk with musical honours. Captain Thurling, in the absence of Mr Millard, returned thanks for that gentleman. Mr Caselli then rose to propose "The health of the winner of the trophy, Captain Hathorn," and congratulate that gentleman on having carried off the prize after such a tough contest, that being the seventh race for the trophy. It was satisfactory that the contest had been so tough, as the public had thereby been afforded a greater amount of pleasure. The toast was heartily drunk with musical honours, and Captain Hathorn expressed the pleasure he experienced at being the winner in such a hard contest of such a grand trophy. He also remarked that it would be gratifying to Mr Goodall, who kept the boat there for his pleasure. Captain Hathorn also expressed the pleasure he experienced at seeing Mr Leggo and Mr Ware present, and he concluded by thanking them heartily on behalf of Mr Goodall and himself. It was then arranged that an officers' run take place next Saturday between Messrs Caselli, '''Bechervaise''', Downie, and Mann, the crews to be drawn for by the club on Friday evening. Captain Hathorn then proposed "The Unsuccessful Competitors," speaking in complimentary terms of those gentlemen, and particularly of Captain Gill. The toast was heartily drunk, and Captain Gill returned thanks, expressing himself satisfied that everything had been carried out "square." (Applause.) Mr T. Mann, in the absence of Captain Morey, returned thanks for that gentleman. Mr Adam Clinton also returned thanks, and congratulated the club on the marked improvement in the yachts, claiming credit for the boat built in the bush at Linton, as the main cause of the progress that had taken place. Mr T. Bailey also responded, and spoke of the ability of his crew. Mr '''Bechervaise''' explained that Mr Edward Williams was unavoidably absent, having had to officiate as "chucker-out" at a football arrangement. The company being all anxious to know what sort of new capacity Mr Williams was acting in, Mr '''Bechervaise''', amid general laughter, proceeded to explain to the effect that Mr Williams had informed him that the nature of the service was, that when any spectator entered the ground without paying his entrance fee it was his (Mr Williams') duty to "chuck" the intruder over the fence. (Prolonged laughter.) The chairman then expressed the pleasure he felt in looking back over the season's yachting that there had been no disputes, their affairs having been conducted in the most satisfactory manner. Mr Leggo said that he wished to say a few words in response to the kind reference that had been made to him. He had been ill and unable to attend, but he was glad to see the club progressing. He proceeded to speak of the ability of the yachtsmen, and concluded by again thanking them for the kind manner in which they had received him. Mr Ware also responded, remarking that when he left Ballarat, Lake Wendouree was a swamp covered with reeds, and he was astonished when he came back to see a beautiful lake covered with boats. After a few more remarks he concluded by stating that although he could not render much service as a yachtsman he would be happy to make ballasting. (Applause.) Mr Caselli proposed ‘"Mr T. Bailey's Health," remarking that he had come green to the nature of the lake and the boats on it, but he was always faithfully at his engagements, and had made astonishing progress. The toast was drunk with musical honours, and Mr Bailey responded, stating that he had one of the best crews in the Pinafore that ever sailed a boat in Victoria. Mr Bailey concluded by proposing "The Crews," which was drunk with musical honours. Mr T. Saunders responded, stating that he was one of the first yachtsmen on Lake Wendouree, and he wished to remain a member of the yacht club. He eulogised the captain as having "hardly ever" used a bad word at sea. (Great laughter.) Mr T. Mann responded on behalf of the absent crew of the Flaneur. Mr Morey, jun., who was called on, also made a few remarks very appropriately. The proceedings, which, as will have been seen, were of a very jovial character, then terminated with a vote of thanks to the chair.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article219329518 |title=SPORTING INTELLIGENCE. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXVI, |issue=120 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=23 May 1881 |accessdate=24 November 2020 |page=3 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1881 06===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Bechervaise involved in some teething troubles for the Ballarat Gymnastic Institute <blockquote>A meeting of the Ballarat Gymnastic Association committee was held last night, at Brophy's Hall. The application by a circus company for the use of the Alfred Hall has so greatly complicated matters the committee decided to apply for the use of the Eastern Market shed, till a building of their own can be erected. It was stated that the Mayor of Ballarat East was willing to allow them to commence boarding up the shed at once, and that a majority of the councillors had promised that if this were done they would confirm the action of the mayor. The conditions on which the services of Mr Reichmann can be secured, were agreed to; but owing to a strong protest by Messrs '''Bechervaise''', H. A. King, and Madden, against the fee (£1 1s per quarter) at present fixed for admission to ladies' class, the committee determined to endeavor to have it reduced. The bulk of the apparatus required is expected from Melbourne towards the end of the week, and the appliances in process of manufacture in Ballarat will also be ready in a few days. <ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article249289416 |title=No Title |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Courier]] |volume=XXVIII, |issue=4347 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=1 June 1881 |accessdate=24 November 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Scrutiny of a female telegraphist appointment which appears to indicate nepotism <blockquote>'''NEWS AND NOTES.''' . . . The Ballarat correspondent of the Ararat Advertiser writes:— "An appointment made some time since in the Post and Telegraph Department in this district, has caused some apparently justifiable dissatisfaction in the office here, and illustrates the inherent badness of the existing system of administration of the Civil Service. An unmarried young woman, who was taught telegraphy in Ballarat, has been appointed post and telegraph mistress in an office in this district; appointed over the heads of married men many years her senior in the service, men who helped to teach her, men who have waited for years for appointments like hers, men who have to rent houses for their wives and families here, whilst this single young woman, their junior, is appointed over their heads, and has a suite of rooms she can make no use of. But her family is said to have political influence, and there lies the secret, and so seeming injustice is done. Of course, so demoralising a system, demoralising both to the Minister and the service, as well as demoralising to the earwiggers who work the political wires, can only be got rid of by a reform that shall take appointments out of the hands of political heads of departments, and place the power in the hands of a non-political board, guided by such regulations as shall secure fair-play to merit and seniority. The young woman in question is not a member of the much-billeted family of Mr James, member for for Ballast East, but she is a member of a family who grip upon the State dugs is pretty strong.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article219330087 |title=NEWS AND NOTES. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXVI, |issue=134 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=8 June 1881 |accessdate=24 November 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Ballarat Gymnastics Institute opens with Bechervaise a major driver <blockquote>'''NEWS AND NOTES.''' . . . Messrs '''Bechervaise''' and Rosenblum attended at the Town Council meeting yesterday evening as a deputation from the Gymnasium Association. As they heard the council confirm the Mayor's action in granting the site for the gymnasium, and refer the matter to the works committee to draw up the necessary regulations, there was little for the deputation to say on the subject, except to thank the council for the kindly interest they had taken in the matter. The Ballarat Gymnasium was formally opened last evening in the presence of a large concourse of the members and their friends. The opening ceremonial was performed by Mayor Lewis, and several congratulatory speeches were made by Messrs Rosenblum, '''Bechervaise''', and others. Mayor Robertson, who was detained by the meeting of the Town Council, afterwards arrived, in company with Crs Scott, Phillips, and other councillors. Mayor Robertson addressed those present briefly, as also did Mr. Scott. A slight refection was also provided for those present, and after the ceremonies attending the opening had been performed, a few members went through several feats on the appliances in the room.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article219330217 |title=NEWS AND NOTES. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXVI, |issue=137 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=11 June 1881 |accessdate=24 November 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise instrumental in the establishment of the Ballarat Eclectic Association, but not an officeholder <blockquote>'''NEWS AND NOTES.''' . . . A meeting of gentlemen was held at Craig's Royal hotel last evening, with the object of establishing an Eclectic Society in Ballarat. There were about twenty present, the chair being occupied by Mr '''W. P. Bechervaise'''. The chairman stated that at a preliminary meeting held on Monday, the 5th inst., a sub-committee was appointed to review the rules of the Eclectic Association of Victoria, and the sub-committee had now completed their labours. The present meeting had been convened principally for the purpose of considering if such an association were necessary in Ballarat. If it were so considered, it would be for the meeting to give the society a name, and elect a president and other officers. Mr Mills moved, and Mr Alroe seconded — "That an association be formed, to be called the Eclectic Association of Ballarat." The resolution was unanimously carried. The rules of the Eclectic Association of Victoria were then read over by the chairman, and a short discussion took place as to the desirability or otherwise of excluding political questions from all discussion, it being eventually decided to refer the matter to the committee to frame a regulation for the purpose of excluding politics. The election of officers then took place, with the following result:— President, Mr C. B. Finlayson; vice-presidents, Messrs Shaw and Stevens; committee, Messrs Williams, Mills, Palmer, Alroe, and Vallins; secretary, Mr Lorimer; treasurer, Mr Williams. The meeting then adjourned until Monday evening, the 20th instant, on which date the committee will send in a report with reference to the rules and regulations of the society.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article219330307 |title=NEWS AND NOTES. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXVI, |issue=139 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=14 June 1881 |accessdate=24 November 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Emerging controversy on the proposed new post office for Ballarat East <blockquote>The Town Council has just received from the Postmaster-General a communication which will not only furnish the members with a fertile topic at its next meeting, but will, if we mistake not, create a good deal of dissatisfaction in the municipality. We do not care to go into the subject at great length until the facts of the case are fully brought out at a meeting of the council; but it is due to the inhabitants to keep them, au courant respecting municipal affairs. Doubtless, every resident was delighted to observe that the recent proposed improvements for the township included the erection of a new post and telegraph office. We can readily imagine the pleasure experienced by the burgesses for some time past in noticing in the reports of the council meetings the assiduity with which the council was going to work to procure the most eligible site obtainable, and get all other preliminaries arranged. Now, this work, as we have every reason to believe, was undertaken on the understanding that £1000 would be granted by the department towards the purchase of a site, and that a grant for building purposes would be placed on the Estimates at a future time. From all we can gather, it was from the Hon. Mr Langridge's own words that the councillors were left under the impression that Government aid would be given, as already stated, and hence the confidence with which they entered upon the works. To be brief, a plan was prepared, as suggested by the Minister, showing the site unanimously agreed upon by the Council, and obtainable inside the sum said to have been promised towards the purchase of the ground. The site in question is opposite the Munster Arms hotel, on the northern side of the Melbourne road,, and is admirably situated for the convenience of the public, as several main roads converge towards that point; besides, it is near the railway station, and close to many of the leading thoroughfares. But why enlarge on the suitability of the site? The communication just fresh from the department has brought the project to an abrupt termination, informing the council in very plain terms that the building leased in 1869 for post-office purposes is considered suitable, and sufficiently commodious for the present requirements of the department. And further, that Mr Langridge is not aware of any promise having been made that a new post and telegraph office should be erected in Ballarat East. So the building now leased for post-office purposes is considered perfectly commodious for the present requirements of the department ! Are the requirements of "the people" not worthy of consideration? Time was when everything was done well "hardly" done, but, at least, said to be done — in the interests of "the people," but now it seems that things are being done in the interests of the department. We happen to know a little more on this subject, but we are not at liberty to divulge it just at present. Mr Langridge’s various conversations with, and promises to, certain members of the council will, we opine, furnish some very instructive disclosures at no distant date, and the public will probably also have an opportunity of learning that it has been stated, on what Dickens would call "the best authority," that the influence of one individual in the township, brought to bear at headquarters in Melbourne, has had the effect of thus getting the interests of the whole of "the people" in the municipality set aside in favour of his own. Can it be that "the people's" Government legislates in this spirit for "the people?" We shall await the denouement with more than usual curiosity.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article219330388 |title=No title |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXVI, |issue=141 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=16 June 1881 |accessdate=24 November 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1881 07===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Typical housekeeping for Bechervaise <blockquote>'''BALLARAT POST-OFFICE NOTICE.''' Mails for Auckland, Honolulu, San Francisco, and London will be made up at this office on Tuesday, 12th July, for despatch to Sydney. The time appointed for closing for letters, packets, and newspapers, is 6 p.m. Letters for the Continent of Europe by this route must be marked "Via California." '''WM. PHILIP BECHERVAISE''', Postmaster. Post and Telegraph Offices, Ballarat, 6th July, 1881.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article219331387 |title=Advertising |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXVI, |issue=161 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=9 July 1881 |accessdate=24 November 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1881 08===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Bechervaise attends the ceremony for the laying of the foundation stone of the Ballarat Baths and subsequent ceremonies <blockquote>'''LAYING THE FOUNDATION-STONE OF THE BALLARAT EAST BATHS.''' The ceremony of laying the foundation-stone of the Ballarat East baths was performed on Saturday by Mayor Robertson, in the presence of a large number of residents of Ballarat East and West, and representatives of both municipal councils. The site for the baths is a reserve at the corner of Peel and Eastwood streets, on the southwest side. The basin will measure 80 feet by 187 feet, and will increase in depth from 3 feet to 8 feet. The ground was covered with sludge and tailings, which have been cleared off down to the original surface. No trial shafts have been sunk to discover whether there is any old ground, drives, or shafts below this, so that there is room for grave doubts as to what lies beneath the foundations. The contractors are Messrs Lewis and Roberts, and the contract price £1300, which does not include cement. The work is to be finished by the 1st of December. As an initiation of the ceremony, Councillor Scott introduced Messrs King and Fitzherbert (the assistant engineers) to the mayor. Mr Fitzherbert read a document relating to the laying of the stone, and naming the councillors present, which was placed underneath the stone in a bottle along with copies of the daily papers, and a penny. Mr Scott then introduced the contractors, on behalf of whom he presented a silver trowel to Mayor Robertson, who then delivered a short address. He said they were all well aware that the structure about to be erected would supply a long felt want, inasmuch as bathing, during the summer months in this climate was as desirable and requisite as food. Apart from the question of health, how many homes had been saddened by children being drowned when swimming in dangerous waterholes? The Town Council had long felt the necessity of a remedy, but, hitherto, difficulties had prevented the accomplishment of its object. These had at length been overcome, so that in a few months the town would be in possession of the largest swimming-baths in Australia, and of the benefits they would confer there could be no doubt. The stone was then lowered, and the mayor declared it to be well and truly laid, expressing a hope that the Great Architect of the universe would bless the undertaking, and protect the workmen from accident. The mayor then publicly thanked the contractors for their gift, which, he said, was rendered more valuable from the fact that it was manufactured by a townsman, Mr Bennett. He mentioned also that the assistant engineers were the sons of townsmen. They were under the care and guidance of the council's engineer, who had such confidence in them that he had entrusted the supervision of this work almost entirely to them. The mayor earnestly begged the State school teachers to inculcate into the minds of scholars the necessity of learning to swim, which, taken in conjunction with the gymnasium lately established in the town, could not fail to be of immense advantage. The mayor apologised for the absence of Mr James, M.L.A., but stated that Mr Brophy was present. Mr Brophy thanked the mayor and council for their kind invitation to be present. He hoped that not alone State school teachers, but every teacher and every parent would make their children go to the baths. In conclusion he congratulated the town and district on the initiation of this highly useful structure, which he believed would be carried out successfully. Mayor Wilson, of the city, who was then called upon, said it must be a matter of sincere congratulation to all to see the designs of such magnificent baths before them. There could be no jealousy between the East and the West because it did not matter where children learnt to swim, so long as they really learnt. These baths were twice or four times the size of the City baths. They would prove of incalculable benefit, and he wished the Town Council every success in the undertaking. Councillor Williams, who was the next speaker, said that when he first started the question of baths in the council, he never thought it would have such a conclusion. Mr Molloy then made a few remarks, after which Mayor Robertson proposed a vote of thanks to the Water Commission, its chairman, and officers, for the services they had rendered, and intended to render in future. Cheers were then given for the contractors and for the mayor, which brought the first portion of the proceedings to a termination. The mayor then invited the gentlemen present to the Town Hall, where refreshments were laid in the council hall. The mayor occupied the chair, and Councillor Williams the vice-chair; the company numbering about forty. The customary loyal toasts having been disposed of, the mayor proposed "The Parliament," coupled with the name of Mr Brophy. Mr Brophy, in reply, said he believed the present Parliament would prove, by its patriotism, that it would do more work, perhaps, than had been accomplished for many years past. That was his belief. The Government now in power meant well, and intended to do what was right. The Constitutional party, with which he was associated, would assist it, and with the assistance of that party, and of a great number of the Liberal party, would do good honest work. There were sufficient laws already if they were only carried out, but the mining laws would probably be revised. The mayor apologised for the absence of the chairman of the board of advice. He then proposed the toast of "Health and prosperity to the City Council," which was replied to by Mayor Wilson and Councillors Lewis and Salter. Cr Williams proposed, "Success to the undertaking," connected with the names of the contractors and engineers. Mr Roberts replied on behalf of the contractors, saying he had no fear as to the trustworthiness of the baths. Messrs King and Fitzherbert also replied. Mr Anderson proposed the health of the "Swimming Club," which was replied to by Messrs Ince, McGowan, Batten, and '''Bechervaise''', Mr McGowan stating that 200 boys were taught every year to swim by the club. Mr Webb then proposed the health of the "Teachers," and Messrs Molloy, Kildahl, Potter, Date, and Ryan (Geelong) replied. Councillor Phillips proposed the health of the "Officers of the City and Town Councils, and of the Water Commission." Messrs Fraser and Cathcart replied. Mayor Wilson then proposed the healths of the "Mayor of Ballarat East and the Town Council." Mayor Robertson and Councillors Phillips and James replied, and the company then broke up.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article249746932 |title=LAYING THE FOUNDATION-STONE OF THE BALLARAT EAST BATHS. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Courier]] |volume=XXIX, |issue=4411 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=15 August 1881 |accessdate=24 November 2020 |page=3 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise demonstrates the telephone system established between the police camp and the reformatory <blockquote>'''NEWS AND NOTES.''' . . . Yesterday forenoon several gentlemen were present, at the invitation of Mr '''Bechervaise''', to witness a trial of telephonic communication that has been established between Mr Sub-inspector Kennedy's office, at the police camp, and the Reformatory, beyond Lake Wendouree, telegraphic communication having been superseded by telephone. The results of the trial were very satisfactory, conversation in an ordinary tone being distinctly heard at either end of the line. Captains Hennah and Morris, of the Ballarat City and Ballarat brigades, were present, and were so impressed with the perfection of the apparatus that they intend to have similar communication established between the Eastern and the Western fire brigade stations. The instruments are manufactured by the Crossley Telephone Company, London, and Mr J. T. Sleep is the Ballarat agent. <ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article202592152 |title=NEWS AND NOTES. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXVI, |issue=201 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=25 August 1881 |accessdate=24 November 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1881 09===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Bechervaise on another committee for a ball for ex-May Lewis, which concludes successfully with a financial surplus <blockquote>'''NEWS AND NOTES.''' . . . The final meeting of the committee of the return ball to ex-Mayor Lewis took place yesterday evening at Lester's hotel, when there were present Messrs Webb, Caselli, '''Bechervaise''', King, jun., and O. E. Wilson, hon. secretary. The treasurer's accounts showed a surplus of £15 after all expenses were paid, and it was decided to give £10 of this amount to the Ladies' Benevolent Clothing Society, and the remaining £5 to the Female Refuge. Votes of thanks were passed to the treasurer and secretary, and to Mr Alex. Kelly, who had initiated the affair. The success of the ball, we may add, has given great satisfaction, and the charitable way in which the surplus proceeds have been allocated will be the means of diffusing a little happiness in many a poverty-stricken home. <ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article202592576 |title=NEWS AND DOTES. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXVI, |issue=208 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=2 September 1881 |accessdate=24 November 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise appointed as starter and committee member of the Ballarat Yacht Club at annual meeting <blockquote>'''BALLARAT YACHT CLUB.''' The annual meeting of the Ballarat Yacht Club was held last evening at Gill's Lake View hotel. There were present about twenty members, the chair being occupied by Mr E. Morey. Annual Report.— The annual report was submitted as follows:— "In placing this the fourth annual report before you, your committee have to congratulate the members upon the success that has attended the club since its formation, and especially during the past season. The financial position of the club, as will be seen by the balance-sheet, is very satisfactory — due to the generosity of patrons, the increase of members, and the economy observed by your committee and officers. The receipts for the past season amount to £255 19s 2d, made up by a small balance from last year, subscriptions, donations, and entrance moneys; while the expenditure (which chiefly includes prizes and expenses in connection with the annual regatta, hire of steamer for members during the season, &c.) amounts to a like sum, less £40 13s 3d, which lies to the club's credit in the bank as a nucleus towards the ensuing season's proceedings. The members on the roll number 119, composed of a good percentage of the principal residents of Ballarat and district, together with gentlemen in Geelong, Melbourne, and elsewhere, and during the ensuing season we have every reason to believe the members' roll will be considerably augmented. The formal opening of the season 1880/1 took place on the 9th October, when the occasion was honored by the presence of Sir Samuel Wilson (president of the club) and Lady and Miss Wilson, who were accompanied by Sir William and Lady Robinson and other distinguished guests. The ceremonial was an unqualified success, aided in a great measure by the combined efforts of the Ballarat and City Rowing Clubs, a number of whose crews turned out to form in’ procession. . . . Election of Officers.— The following officers were elected for the ensuing season:— President, the Hon. Philip Russell, M.L.C.; vice presidents, Messrs Andrew S. Chirnside, jun., and B. Hepburn; commodore, Mr E. Morey; vice-commodore and captain, Mr W. Bailey; secretary, Mr W. Downie; treasurer, Mr T. Mann; executive committee, Messrs E. Millard, T. Stoddart, J. Goodall, J. Jones, J. H. Were, and E. Williams; sailing committee, Messrs Pritchard, '''Bechervaise''', Hathorn, T. Bailey, T. Gill, and R. Thurling; starter, Mr '''Bechervaise'''; judge, Mr H. R. Caselli.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article202593176 |title=BALLARAT YACHT CLUB. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXVI, |issue=218 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=14 September 1881 |accessdate=24 November 2020 |page=3 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1881 10===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Bechervaise takes the opportunity of the season opening to show council where and what lake improvements are necessary, participates in the celebrations <blockquote>'''LAKE WENDOUREE. THE OPENING OF THE YACHT AND ROWING SEASON.''' This event took place on Saturday. It had been determined by the committees of the yacht and rowing club's to present to the public a grand spectacle in the shape of a procession on the opening day, but "man proposes," &c., and in this case disappointment was the order of the day, for a regular northerly gale was blowing, and it was quite impossible for the rowing people to join — the sea was so high that no rowing boat could have lived in it — and hence the best that could be done was for the yachts, which were all "close reefed," to go in line around the sailing course. Prior to the opening, the lake and gardens committee of the City Council, including his Worship Mayor Wilson, Crs R. Lewis, Cr Salter, Mr Perry (town clerk), and Mr Woods (city inspector of works), met the Yacht Club Committee, the latter having chartered Gill’s steamer Wendouree for the purpose of steaming slowly around the northern channel in order that certain improvements suggested by the yacht committee might be pointed out. The greater number of the yachtsmen were busily engaged with their respective craft, but the council were attended by Messs Downie and '''Bechervaise''', who explained what was necessary. This being accomplished to the satisfaction of all parties a landing at View Point was effected. By this time, a large number of spectators had arrived, and the president of the yacht club, the Hon. Philip Russell, Mr B. Hepburn, vice-president, and some other visitors having been taken aboard the Wendouree, the order was given by Commodore Morey to the vice-commodore and captains to follow. When the yachts stood away with a free wind to Brace's buoy, having rounded this they hauled their wind, and lay over to the north shore, and then bore up for View Point, followed by the Wendouree and other steamers and boats. By this time the wind had dropped, and the sea had gone down, but as the president and other visitors had to leave, an adjournment was made to Gill's Lake View hotel, where refreshments had been laid in the upper room. Commodore Morey called upon all present to charge, and then "The Healths of the President and Vice-Presidents", were drunk in bumpers of champagne. These gentlemen having responded, Mr Vice-Commodore W. Bailey proposed the toast of "The Mayor and City Councillors," to which the mayor responded, and called upon the company to drink "Prosperity to the Ballarat Yacht Club." Messrs Morey, W. Bailey, '''Bechervaise''', Downie, and Caselli replied to the toast in fitting terms. There was a fine band on the balcony of the hotel and on the lawn during the afternoon discoursing sweet music, and enlivening the proceeding; and although things were not carried through as well as might have been under more promising conditions, still matters went off very agreeably, and we hope, and have no doubt, that a prosperous season for yachting and rowing was inaugurated on Saturday.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article202594054 |title=LAKE WENDOUREE. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXVI, |issue=236 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=4 October 1881 |accessdate=25 November 2020 |page=3 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise reports against installing a time ball at the City Hall Tower <blockquote>'''NEWS AND NOTES.''' . . . The City Council was asked a short time ago by Mr J. R. Jopling to erect a time ball on the City tower, and the subject was referred to Messrs '''Bechervaise''' and Sleep for report. The former only has complied, and, according to his report, the cost of making necessary alterations to the tower and staff would be about £100; the annual hire of the electric power £5. His experience of the old time ball, which formerly stood near the site of the present railway station, gave him the impression that it was of little advantage to the public, especially when the trouble and expense were taken into consideration. The finance committee, acting on this report, recommended that no action be taken by the City Council in the matter. <ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article202594991 |title=NEWS AND NOTES. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXVI, |issue=253 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=24 October 1881 |accessdate=25 November 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> As previous, a more detailed report by the Courier <blockquote>'''CITY COUNCIL.''' MONDAY, 24th OCTOBER. Present — The mayor (Cr Wilson), and Crs Claxton, Hickman, Morrison, Lewis, Salter, Thompson, and Brophy. . . . FINANCE.— . . . 2. Letter J. R. Jopling, urging the erection of a time ball on City tower, together with report by Mr '''Bechervaise''' on the same subject — The committee invited the opinion of Messrs '''Bechervaise''' and Sleep on the subject, but the former gentleman only complied. According to his exhaustive report, the cost of making necessary alterations to the tower and staff would be about £100; the annual hire of the electric power, £5. Mr. '''Bechervaise''' remarks in addition that only one time-ball is in use in the colony, viz., at Williamstown and that it is maintained for the special benefit of the shipping; also, that he had considerable personal experience of the old timeball which formerly stood near the site of the present railway station, and his impression was that very little advantage was gained by the public from that form of making known the time, especially when the trouble and expense were taken into consideration, for it should be understood that unless the greatest care, precision, and regularity be observed in the working of such a public signal it would be unreliable and useless. We therefore recommend that no action be taken. It is fitting here to mention that upon complaints being made as to difference of time between the city clock and that of the railway station, a daily test extending over three weeks was made between the city clock and the electric time, on one occasion only was there any difference, the clock being then one minute slow. Adopted. <ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article249281163 |title=CITY COUNCILS. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Courier]] |volume=XXIX, |issue=4472 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=25 October 1881 |accessdate=25 November 2020 |page=4 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1881 11===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Bechervaise acknowledges complaints re telegraph poles <blockquote>'''CITY COUNCIL.''' Monday, 7th November. Present — The Mayor (Mr J. Noble Wilson), and Crs Claxton, Hickman, Salter, Thompson, Lewis, Major Smith, A. T. Morrison, and Brophy. Correspondence.— From '''W. P. Bechervaise''', acknowledging complaint re telegraph poles in Sturt street, and had forwarded it to the Chief of the Department.— Received. . . .<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article202595693 |title=CITY COUNCIL. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXVI, |issue=266 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=8 November 1881 |accessdate=25 November 2020 |page=3 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise attends, but does not exhibit, at a scientific evening at the School of Mines <blockquote>'''NEWS AND NOTES.''' . . . A number of persons interested in scientific pursuits assembled by invitation last evening at the School of Mines, in order to witness various mechanical exhibits and beautiful experiments, shown by several enthusiasts in the cause of science. The proceedings were opened by Mr James Oddie, the vice-president, who delivered a practical address bearing upon the object of the meeting. Professor A. Mica Smith gave a simple explanatory speech upon science, and illustrated his remarks by nice experiments with the Geisler vacuum tubes. Mr R. H. Sutton exhibited a novel apparatus for storing electricity, and explained its principles in suitable terms. The construction of an electro-magnetic engine and a Morse telegraph sounder, shown by M. A. Carmichael, junr., was greatly admired. Mr '''Bechervaise''' spoke in a complimentary manner upon the successful efforts of the exhibitor. After several chemical experiments had been made by Mr A. Burbidge the meeting terminated with the usual votes of thanks. It is intended to hold a fortnightly series of the above class of entertainments at the School of Mines, in order to inculcate a love of scientific pursuits in the minds of the younger folk of Ballarat.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article202596080 |title=NEWS AND NOTES. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXVI, |issue=274 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=17 November 1881 |accessdate=25 November 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1881 12===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> At a further School of Mines scientific entertainment, Bechervaise moves that a new class be established in applied chemistry and electricity <blockquote>'''CHEMICAL AND ELECTRICAL INDUSTRY CLASS.''' The third entertainment of the series in connection with the School of Mines was held last evening in the lecture-room. The promoters of the class were determined that the affair should be placed on a firm basis, and accordingly issued invitations to numerous young people to attend. Judging by the number, about 130, of intelligent looking youths and young ladies present, their wish was gratified. Mr Oddie, the vice-president of the institution, presided, and delivered the opening address. Afterwards Professor A. Mica Smith explained the construction of a spectroscope, kindly lent by Mr E. Figgis. He showed with it the effects of the flames upon various metals, and enumerated many metals that had been discovered in the sun by its means. The illustrations also furnished by Mr Smith were greatly admired. Messrs Burbidge and Olden, two young chemists, respectively gave experiments with the Geisler vacuum tubes and in the department of chemistry, Messrs Carmichael, Hall, and Crisp exhibited some electric motor machines at work. The chairman, towards the conclusion, thanked the audience for the attention paid to the efforts of the gentlemen who had endeavored to instruct them that evening. The School of Mines had initiated the class for the ulterior object of inducing young men to secure the advantages of the institution by enrolling themselves as students. He instanced the wonderful nature of electricity, a power destined to supersede all other motive power. A desire was evinced to form the discipline of the school upon the model of the Technological institutions in Great Britain, so as to embrace a vast range of subjects. An idea had been mooted that a mechanical class should be established, so that with lathes and other proper appliances the students could be engaged in forming machines for the use of students in applied electricity. He advised the audience to be present at the next meeting, when a sewing-machine would be exhibited at work through the agency of electricity. Mr '''Bechervaise''' then submitted the following resolution:— "That this meeting would most gratefully appreciate the establishment of a class at the School of Mines for practical, mechanical, and technical instruction in applied chemistry and electricity; also that his worship the mayor of the city be invited to present the foregoing prayer for the favorable consideration of the council of the School of Mines." The motion was unanimously carried. Votes of thanks to all concerned in the pleasures afforded to the audience were passed, and the proceedings terminated. Afterwards, many availed themselves of the opportunity of inspecting the spectroscope and other exhibits.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article202596841 |title=CHEMICAL AND ELECTRICAL INDUSTRY GLASS. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXVI, |issue=285 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=1 December 1881 |accessdate=25 November 2020 |page=3 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise part of a group seeking establishment of a swimming club at the Ballarat East baths <blockquote>'''NEWS AND NOTES.''' . . . A meeting of gentlemen interested in the formation of a swimming club in connection with the new baths at Ballarat East was held last evening at the Mechanics' Institute, when about 20 gentlemen were present, and Mr '''Bechervaise''' presided. After some remarks from the chairman, it was decided that a swimming club should be forthwith formed, Mr J. Walker being appointed to act as hon. secretary. A deputation, consisting of Messrs Wheeler, Batten, '''Bechervaise''', and the hon. secretary, was appointed to wait upon the council this evening with regard to the matter, and the same gentlemen were also appointed as a sub-committee to draw up rules, &c., to lay before an adjourned meeting to be held on Wednesday next at Mechanics' Institute at 7.30 p.m. The matter was entered into very heartily by the gentlemen present, and there is every prospect of a strong club being formed within a few weeks.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article202596805 |title=NEWS AND NOTES. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXVI, |issue=285 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=1 December 1881 |accessdate=25 November 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Lack of supply of fee stamps implies criticism of Bechervaise <blockquote>'''NEWS AND NOTES.''' The electoral registrars were busy yesterday issuing rights, and the Ballarat West proper division several hundreds were applied for. The demand was so great that no fee stamps were obtainable in the city, and consequently each applicant had to deposit his shilling with the registrar in order to obtain his right. This fact tends to prove that some other arrangements should be made for the supply of fee stamps on special occasions. The number of electors'-rights issued on the general roll for 1881, Ballarat West, is 1005; and for the supplementary roll for 1881, 50; making a total number of 1055. The number on the general roll for 1880 was 1743, thus showing a deficiency of 688 votes, according to Mr D. Christy's return. Mr Michell, electoral registrar for Ballarat East, reports having issued during the half-year 563 electoral rights. The return from the deputy registrar, Mr W. H. Ward, has not yet come to hand, but this, it is supposed, will increase the number by close upon 150 rights. The returns from Ballarat East are considered satisfactory, and show that the ratepayers are fully determined to exercise their franchise at ensuing elections. <ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article202596852 |title=NEWS AND NOTES. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXVI, |issue=286 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=2 December 1881 |accessdate=27 November 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> As previous <blockquote>'''NEWS AND NOTES.''' . . . A deputation, consisting of Messrs '''Bechervaise''', Wheeler, and Batten, waited upon the Town Council yesterday for the purpose of suggesting several matters as to the control of the new town baths. Among other things recommended was the admission of members of the Ballarat Swimming Club at half prices, the construction of proper ladders, the erection of parallel and horizontal bars, &c., by which it was thought the baths would be made a popular and attractive place of resort. The council asked that the whole of these matters should be placed in writing, when they would receive due consideration. <ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article202596852 |title=NEWS AND NOTES. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXVI, |issue=286 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=2 December 1881 |accessdate=25 November 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> As previous, further detail <blockquote>'''TOWN COUNCIL.''' Thursday, 1st December. SPECIAL MEETING. Present — The Mayor (Mr Theo. Williams), in the chair; and Crs Josephs, Phillips, Wood, Ferguson, James, Turpie, and Scott. . . . Deputations.— A deputation, consisting of Messrs '''Bechervaise''', Wheeler, and Batten, was introduced to the Town Council by Cr Scott, in connection with the new swimming baths. Mr '''Bechervaise''' stated that he, in company with the gentlemen accompanying him, had been appointed from a meeting held the previous evening, to wait upon the council, to ask for certain concessions to be made to members of the swimming club. He considered the new baths to be the best of the kind he had yet seen in the colony. Mr Batten said the meeting held the previous evening was well attended, and it was then determined that a deputation should wait upon the council to ask for certain concessions. They asked that members of the club should be admitted at half rates. It was pointed out that the reasons for asking this concession was that the swimming club were foremost in getting up matches, teaching juveniles, &c. It was pointed out that no direct benefit would accrue to members of the club, seeing that the membership fee was £1 10s of which would consequently accrue to the council. Mr '''Bechervaise''', who brought under the notice of council other matters connected with the baths, such as the placing of the steps breast-wise, two spring boards, horizontal and parallel bars, &c. It also came as a suggestion from the Swimming Club that the baths should be opened with a series of matches, and that annual prizes should be offered. The mayor requested the deputation to send in their views in writing to the council, and these would be duly considered. Mr '''Bechervaise''' thought that having a good strong swimming club in connection with the baths would go a great way towards making the baths the success deserved. The deputation then thanked the council and withdrew. <ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article202596843 |title=TOWN COUNCIL. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXVI, |issue=286 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=2 December 1881 |accessdate=25 November 2020 |page=3 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> As Courier report, a little different to the earlier Star report <blockquote>'''CHEMICAL AND ELECTRICAL INDUSTRY SOCIETY.''' The third meeting of the above society was held on Wednesday evening last, the chair being occupied by Mr James Oddie, the president of the society. The attendance at the meeting was far greater than at either of the previous ones, there being no less than from 130 to 140 present, including several ladies. Mr Oddie in a few pertinent remarks opened the meeting, and called upon Professor Smith, who very ably explained a spectroscope, kindly lent by Mr Figgis. The instrument is used to detect the presence of metals, &c., in any substance, and the professor stated that so minute is the analysis known as spectroscopic analysis, that, if the 180,000,000th part of a grain of potassium were placed in the flame of the spectroscope, it would be detected as once. By this instrument also, most of the substances in the sun have been found out; and several new metals have been brought to light that were never before known to exist. Professor Smith was followed by Mr William Burbidge, one of the assistants at the School of Mines, who showed his proficiency in electricity by several very pretty experiments with the "Geisler" vacuum tubes, kindly lent by Mr Flude, and in explaining the working of several electro-motors constructed by Messrs H. H. Crisp, and Carmichael. This young gentleman also showed an experiment with hydrogen and oxygen, by bottling them up together, and then lighting them by the electric spark, the result being an explosion something similar to that of a pistol. At the conclusion of the experiment, Mr O. L. Olden, another of the assistants at the School of Mines, entertained the audience by several illustrations in chemistry. The President then informed those present that the next meeting would be held on Wednesday, the 14th December, and requested the members to bring their friends with them, at the same time stating that there would be exhibited a sewing machine worked by electricity. He concluded by stating that electricity was a subject to which everybody should give his or her mind, as it was the power that would undoubtedly in a few years, revolutionise the world. Mr '''Bechervaise''' then put the following motion to the meeting:— "That this meeting would most gratefully appreciate the establishment of a class at the School of Mines for practical mechanics, and technical instruction in applied chemistry and electricity also that his worship the mayor of the City be invited to present the foregoing petition for the favorable consideration of the council of the School of Mines." The motion was seconded by Mr E. Figgis, and carried unanimously. A vote of thanks to the gentlemen who had so kindly entertained the audience brought the meeting to a close. At the conclusion of the meeting several of the members availed themselves of the opportunity of examining more closely and viewing the effects of the spectroscope.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article249284783 |title=CHEMICAL AND ELECTRICAL INDUSTRY SOCIETY. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Courier]] |volume=XXIX, |issue=4505 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=2 December 1881 |accessdate=25 November 2020 |page=4 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise springs to his defence of criticism than fee stamps unavailable <blockquote>'''NEWS AND NOTES.''' . . . Mr '''W. P. Bechervaise''', referring to a statement in yesterday's issue that no fee stamps were obtainable on Thursday, desires us to state that for the last few days he has taken special precautions to have available a large supply of one shilling fee stamps in order that he should be able to supply the demand for them. He also particularly notified the licensed vendors of this, and on Thursday evening, before closing, sent round to several of the vendors, giving them a similar reminder. Mr '''Bechervaise''' also called on Mr Christy and intimated the same to him. On Thursday night he had not less than 1000 shilling fee stamps left on hand. We may remark that our paragraph had reference more particularly to the applicants for electoral rights from 6 p.m. to 9 p.m., and it is a fact that between these hours no fee stamps could be obtained from licensed vendors in the city. We fully believe that the fault is not that of Mr '''Bechervaise''', and hence our recommendation that some other plan of selling fee stamps after hours than at present should be adopted. <ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article202596902 |title=NEWS AND NOTES. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXVI, |issue=287 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=3 December 1881 |accessdate=27 November 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> ====1882==== <!-- <blockquote><ref></ref></blockquote> --> =====1882 01===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Bechervaise again performs starter duties for Ballarat Yacht Club <blockquote>'''SPORTING INTELLIGENCE. AQUATICS. THE CONTEST FOR MR GOODALL'S TROPHY.''' The weather being beautifully fine at Lake Wendouree on Saturday, induced many persons to pay this favorite spot a visit, in order to witness the contest for the trophy presented by Mr Goodall, a member of the Ballarat Yacht Club. The prize is valued at £30, it being a stipulation in the conditions of the race that the captain of the winning boat receive the trophy. The weather was all that could be desired for yachting purposes, a fine stiff south-westerly breeze blowing during the afternoon, which had the effect of driving the competing craft through the water at a quick rate. The distance travelled by the yachts was about 10½ miles (four rounds) the winning boat doing the work in 1 hour 25 min. A steamer was chartered by the club to convey judges, members of committee, reporters, and others over the course during the progress of the race, and a most enjoyable afternoon was spent by those who had assembled to witness the contest. The stately appearance of the yachts in the pleasant gale was an object of admiration, and regret was expressed when two of the competing craft were compelled to retire through accident. Mr '''Bechervaise''', as usual, was allotted the position of starter, while Mr H. R. Caselli, J.P., officiated as time-keeper and judge, both gentlemen giving satisfaction. At 3 o'clock the following competing boats were at their moorings off View Point, viz.:— Reporter, Viola, Pinafore, Grand Flaneur, Duke, and Flying Scud. At the words, "let go," the fleet got away well together, but shortly after parting with the ropes the Flying Scud showed in front, the Pinafore being close astern. This position was maintained until Brace's buoy had been reached, when the Duke came to the front, followed by the Flying Scud, Viola, and Reporter. <ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article200665020 |title=SPORTING INTELLIGENCE. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXVII, |issue=323 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=17 January 1882 |accessdate=27 November 2020 |page=3 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise again appointed to the Council of the School of Mines <blockquote>'''SCHOOL OF MINES. ANNUAL MEETING.''' The annual meeting of governors and subscribers in connection with the School of Mines was held yesterday afternoon; there being present about twenty, including the Right Rev. Dr Thornton. The chair was occupied by the vice-president, Mr James Oddie. REPORT.— "The council, in accordance with the statutes of the school, present to the governors and subscribers a report of operations and proceedings, together with a duly audited and certified correct statement of receipts and expenditure for the year 1881. A decrease to balance in credit will be observed, and must be better understood when it is stated that the expenditure for the past and previous year has been largely in excess of the gross receipts, and that during the period named a total sum of £1498 17s 1d has been absorbed by buildings and repairs, machinery, and museum. . . . ELECTION OF COUNCIL.— The election of members of council by ballot then took place, and resulted in the following being appointed:— Messrs S. E. Figgis, '''Bechervaise''', Nicholls, Rosenblum, and Martell. VOTES OF THANKS.— Votes of thanks were then passed to the press and chairman, and the meeting was brought to a termination. COUNCIL MEETING. A council meeting was afterwards held for the purpose of electing an administrative council for the ensuing year, when the following were appointed:— Messrs Caselli, Figgis, Rosenblum, Williams, Nicholls, Martell, and Mann. A finance committee, consisting of the vice-president, and Messrs Nicholls and Caselli was also appointed. The meeting then adjourned. <ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article249290019 |title=SCHOOL OF MINES. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Courier]] |volume=XXX, |issue=4549 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=25 January 1882 |accessdate=27 November 2020 |page=4 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1882 02===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Bechervaise appointed hon. treasurer of annual regatta committee <blockquote>'''NEWS AND NOTES.''' . . . A joint meeting of the Ballarat and Ballarat City Rowing Club committees was held at Lester's hotel last evening to take the necessary steps for holding the Ballarat Annual Regatta this year. Mr Cazaly was elected chairman of the meeting. It was resolved that a regatta committee be formed, consisting of six members from each of the rowing clubs, and the same number from the Yacht Club, and that this committee be empowered to make all the necessary arrangements for holding the regatta on Monday, the 13th of March next. Mr H. A. King was appointed hon. secretary to the regatta committee, Mr '''W. P. Bechervaise''' hon. treasurer, and Mr W. J. Gates collector, while it was resolved to request Mr J. Noble Wilson, Mayor of the City, to take the office of president. The meeting then adjourned. <ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article200666140 |title=NEWS AND NOTES. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXVII, |issue=31 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=7 February 1882 |accessdate=27 November 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise attends committee meeting of Ballarat Swimming Club as president <blockquote>'''NEWS AND NOTES.''' . . . A meeting of committee of the Ballarat Swimming Club was held at the Mechanics' Institute last evening, the president, Mr '''Bechervaise''', presiding. Friday, the 3rd March, was the date fixed for holding the annual tournament, subject to the consent of the City Council. The Mayor of Melbourne, having consented that the "George Gall" bequest cup shall be competed for at Ballarat this year, that prize was included in the programme. After other business the committee adjourned to Friday evening. <ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article200666210 |title=NEWS AND NOTES. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXVII, |issue=32 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=8 February 1882 |accessdate=27 November 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise attends meeting of committee of the Ballarat Gymnastic Association <blockquote>A meeting of the committee of the Ballarat Gymnastic Association was held on Wednesday evening at Brophy's hotel; the President, Mr E. I. Rosenblum, in the chair. Present — Messrs '''Bechervaise''', Gross, F. Smith, and H. A. King (hon. secretary.) It was decided to take immediate steps to appoint a thoroughly qualified resident instructor, also to time the opening day as early as possible. Other business having been transacted, the committee adjourned.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article249291795 |title=No Title |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Courier]] |volume=XXX, |issue=4563 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=10 February 1882 |accessdate=27 November 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1882 03===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Bechervaise attends meeting of Chemical and Electrical Industry Society <blockquote>'''NEWS AND NOTES.''' . . . The Chemical and Electrical Industry Society met again on Wednesday evening last, and although the audience was not large it was very attentive. The chair was taken by Mr Oddie, the president of the society, who, after a few introductory remarks, called upon Professor Smith to proceed with his very interesting lecture, or rather course of lectures, on "Applied Chemistry." This the professor very lucidly did, the art of dyeing being the subject chosen for the evening's lecture. The lecturer explained the various dyes which were used in ancient times, and which are being used at the present time, and also very clearly showed the method of dyeing now in common use. This proved very interesting indeed, and the audience no doubt greatly appreciated it. During the evening the members had an opportunity of examining several of the dyes which had been spoken about, they having very kindly been sent up with some samples of dyed wool by the manager of the woollen mill at Sunny Corner. The minutes of the previous meeting having been read and confirmed, and a vote of thanks having been accorded Professor Smith for his very interesting course of lectures, on the motion of '''W. P. Bechervaise''', seconded by Mr Martell, the meeting closed. <ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article200668770 |title=NEWS AND NOTES. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXVII, |issue=70 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=24 March 1882 |accessdate=27 November 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise both judge and treasurer for Ballarat Annual Regatta <blockquote>'''BALLARAT ANNUAL REGATTA.''' Judges — Messrs '''W. P. Bechervaise''' and H. R. Caselli. Starter — Mr W. Pobjoy. Time-keeper — Major Sleep. Honorary treasurer — Mr '''W. P. Bechervaise'''. Committee — Messrs J. N. Wilson (president), E. Williams, McWhae, Holding, Grant, A. Smith, C. P. Bennett, Lester, Foley, Cazaly, Morey, W. and T. Bailey, Caselli, Mann, Downie, Gibbs, Hollander, R. Toy, J. J. Fitzgerald, Cameron, Kortlang, and Rennie. The Ballarat annual regatta took place on Lake Wendouree yesterday, but did not by any means prove as successful as those held on previous years. Although the weather was rather sultry, the heat was somewhat modified by a cool breeze, which prevailed throughout the whole day. There was, as usual on such occasions, a large display of bunting in the vicinity of the lake, and from Gill's hotel across the road to the lake was stretched a row of flags, which presented a gay appearance. The regatta would appear to have been taken very little interest in by business people, as scarcely a single shop in the principal streets of the city and town was to be seen closed in honor of the occasion. The non-observance of a public holiday of course had the effect of militating to a great extent against the attendance, and in the afternoon, when at its thickest, it could not have exceeded 2000 persons. . . .<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article249294185 |title=BALLARAT ANNUAL REGATTA. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Courier]] |volume=XXX, |issue=4590 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=14 March 1882 |accessdate=27 November 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1882 04===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Bechervaise supports deputation seeking assistance to have lady telegraphist appointed at Learmonth <blockquote>'''BALLARATSHIRE COUNCIL.''' Monday, 3rd April. Present:— President Uren, and Crs Dalgleish, Baird, Findlay, Edward, Feery, and Rennie. . . . Deputation.— Mr Thos. Bath, who was introduced by Cr Baird, appeared, he said, to plead the claims of Miss Isabella McKay, who has for over three years acted for her deceased sister, the late Miss Grace McKay, as post and telegraph mistress, Learmonth. He spoke in high terms of praise of the young lady, and only asked that the council would use its influence to have her placed permanently on the staff. In addition, he said that she was known to be one of the best operators on the line, and Mr '''Bechervaise''' said the young lady should have his strongest recommendation. The council unanimously agreed in the heartiest manner to carry out Mr Bath's wish, nearly every councillor present speaking in highest terms of Miss McKay; and it was resolved, on the motion of Cr Baird, seconded by Cr Feery, that the secretary write to Government in support of Miss McKay's claim as post and telegraph mistress at Learmonth. Mr Bath thanked the council for their cordiality of accord, and said it would be an act which they would never have any reason to regret, and then withdrew. <ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article200669471 |title=BALLARATSHIRE COUNCIL. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXVII, |issue=80 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=5 April 1882 |accessdate=27 November 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise attends Council meeting of School of Mines, Certificates in Telegraphy awarded <blockquote>'''THE SCHOOL OF MINES, BALLARAT.''' A special meeting of the administrative council was held on Wednesday, the 19th instant, at half-past three p.m. Present — The vice-president (in the chair), S. E. Figgis, F. J. Martell, W. H. Nicholls, and E. I. Rosenblum. The meeting was convened to consider the business to be submitted at council meeting at half-past four p m. A report of the subcommittee, appointed 17th February, was submitted, recommending the adoption of the following syllabus for first, second, and third years' course in chemistry:— Practical, first year — Jones; theoretical chemistry, physics, and non-metals. Third year — Theory, Roscoe, Jones, Sibson, and Johnson; practice, qualitative analysis. Second year — Frezenius, qualitative, general chemical theory, and principles of quantitative analysis; and that examinations be held half-yearly, candidates obtaining honors to awarded a free scholarship, tenable for one year. The adoption was also recommended of syllabus for study in elementary course in geology for first term (April):— Formation of the earth's crust; sedimentary, volcanic, plutonic, and metamorphic rocks; composition of sedimentary rocks; silicious, argillaceous, calcareous, ferruginous rocks; stratification; deposition of fossils; consolidation of strata; upheaval, descension, denudation of strata; syncline, anticline, dip, strike, faults. Text-books — Student's Elements of Geology, by Sir Chas. Lyell; Page's Introductory Text Book, Duke's School Manual of Geology; illustrations and examples taken from Australian geology, and, whenever practicable, from the geology of the Ballarat district. Second term, lithology; third term, chronological classification of rocks. A synopsis of of the lectures to be given before the commencement of each course. The vice-president stated that it had been suggested that a class in agricultural chemistry might be formed, and the registrar was instructed to insert an advertisement in the local newspapers directing special attention to persons desirous of joining the classes in elementary geology and agricultural chemistry. Two members of the administrative council were appointed a visiting committee for the ensuing month. With reference to the institution of popular science lectures in connection with the school, the names of several gentlemen were submitted, to whom invitations were directed to be sent. The quarterly meeting of the council was then held, there being present, in addition to the above-mentioned — Councillors '''W. P. Bechervaise''', J. Campbell, J.P.; and H. R. Caselli, J.P. Business — 1. To confirm minutes. 2. To grant certificates. 3. To consider and make arrangements for ensuing (April) term. 4. To determine amount of stipend to be paid to demonstrator in chemistry. 5. To consider such other matters as the vice-president may submit. 6. General. The minutes of meeting held 11th January last were read and confirmed. The examiners' reports on materia medica and telegraphy examinations, held at the school 31st March ultimo and 6th April instant, respectively, were read, and certificates granted to the undermentioned candidates, as recommended by the examiners:— In Materia Medica — James Edward Gribble. In Telegraphy — Henry Slade (with credit), Catherine Mitchell (with credit), Edwin Redgrave Doward, Margaret Davies, Charles Joshua Hall, John Henry Nelson, Emily Linton Austin, William Phillips, and Julia Williamson. The vice-president stated that a sub-committee had been appointed to prepare and submit a report on arrangements to be made for ensuing (April) term. This, as previously stated, was received, considered, and adopted at special meeting of administrative council, convened for the purpose, and their action in the matter confirmed. The stipend of demonstration in chemistry was fixed at £150 per annum. The vice-president gave a resume of the business which had occupied the attention of the administrative council during the past quarter, referring to the attempt to institute popular science lectures in connection with the school. Also, the desirability of establishing a class in agricultural chemistry, and the support given to the proposal. The matter of purchase of the Preshaw collection, for which Messrs Goodall, Ham, Morey, and Stoddart had subscribed the sum of £50, in equal proportions, was left in the hands of the vice-president. The architect (Mr Caselli), reported that a small addition to the tower, to cover in a testing bench, would have to be erected before the apparatus could be utilised. A return, showing the attendance of members at council meetings, was ordered to be prepared and submitted at next meeting. The council then adjourned.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article249296347 |title=THE SCHOOL OF MINES, BALLARAT |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Courier]] |volume=XXX, |issue=4623 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=22 April 1882 |accessdate=28 November 2020 |page=1 (Supplement to THE BALLARAT COURIER) |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise responds to criticism of his letter carriers <blockquote>'''NEWS AND NOTES.''' . . . In yesterday's issue of the Star a paragraph was inserted drawing attention to the alleged carelessness of some of the letter carriers whilst on their rounds. It is but fair to Mr '''Bechervaise''', the local postmaster, to state that he has at all times proved his willingness to make the office over which he has charge a model one in every respect; but there must necessarily be faults which he has no power to remedy unless he is afforded the necessary information. It is our duty to give all publicity to such complaints as that which appeared yesterday, but it would be well if the sufferers would also supply Mr '''Bechervaise''' with the information, as we have no doubt that he would enquire into the matter, and if the case was proved against any of the employees that the delinquent would be properly dealt with. It is but right to add that it would only be fair to the office and to the letter carriers if such a course was adopted, and if errors of commission or omission were reported promptly to Mr Bechervaise he would at once be able to check mistakes and carelessness.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article200670694 |title=NEWS AND NOTES. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXVII, |issue=99 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=28 April 1882 |accessdate=28 November 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1882 05===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Bechervaise attends a farewell dinner to Lewis, locomotive master at Ballarat <blockquote>'''VALEDICTORY BANQUET TO MR LEWIS.''' A large number of the friends of Mr Lewis, late locomotive superintendent at Ballarat, but whose promotion and subsequent removal to Sandhurst we recently recoded, entertained that gentleman last evening at Brophy's hotel, Sturt street. A very elegant repast had been prepared for the occasion, the catering having been entrusted to a such worthy hands as Mr McKenzie of Bridge street. The chair was occupied by Mr Hickman, one of the proprietors of the Union Foundry, the guest of the evening being seated at his right hand. The vice chair was taken by Mr Spillman, while there were present Mr '''W. P. Bechervaise''', Mr Bodycombe, Mr Shaw, jun., Mr Sewell, Mr Reid, Mr Jonathon Robinson, and many others more or less connected with the iron trade. The customary formal toasts having been disposed of, that of the guest of the evening was proposed in felicitous terms by the chairman, and received with three times three. Mr Lewis, in responding, expressed the gratitude he felt at seeing the many warm friends present who had honoured him by attending the complimentary meeting, more especially when he called to mind the fact that on his arrival in Ballarat he had not the pleasure of being personally acquainted with many he was now glad to reckon as esteemed friends. He thought it a fortunate thing for him that departmental regulations had brought about his removal to the famous city of Ballarat, as he had thus been brought into contact with gentlemen of great and varied experience, who readily extended to him the hand of good fellowship. It was no wonder, therefore, that he left Ballarat with a sorrowing heart. In saying "Goodbye," he sincerely trusted that health, happiness, and prosperity would be the lot of everyone present. It had been his ambition to perform the duties of his office, wherever located in a fair and honourable manner, and he was glad to find that he had succeeded in leaving such an impression on the minds of those with whom he had been associated, (Cheers). The toast of the "Locomotive Department" was next proposed, and suitably responded to by Mr Sewell. Several other toasts followed, while the enjoyment of the evening was greatly increased by songs, &c., contributed by several of the friends present.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article200671796 |title=VALEDICTORY BANQUET TO MR LEWIS. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXVII, |issue=115 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=17 May 1882 |accessdate=28 November 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise attends end of season celebrations for Ballarat Yacht Club <blockquote>'''BALLARAT YACHT CLUB.''' The yachting season of 1881-2 was formerly concluded yesterday afternoon by a crews' sailing-match, in which seven yachts contested. The weather was eminently suitable for a good contest, the wind blowing fresh from a northerly direction, and consequently one of the most interesting matches of the season was the result. The steamboat Wendouree followed the boats around the course. When a start was effected the Grand Flaneur led for the first round, the Pinafore being second, and the rest of the yachts a fair distance away. However on passing View Point the Darlie Bay was was first with the Grand Flaneur second, the other boats being well in the rear. On the second course the Pinafore was first round the garden's buoy, with the Grand Flaneur second, Darlie Bay third, and the Reporter fourth. The positions were reversed on reaching Brace's buoy, when the Reporter led followed by the Pinafore, Grand Flaneur and Darlie Bay in the order named. Darlie Bay crept up, and passing Edward’s buoy reached home first and was declared the winner. The Duke also passed the others, coming in second; the Reporter, after a close race, obtaining third place by two feet over the Pinafore, the remaining boats being far behind. The Darlie Bay was captained by Mr W. Pritchard, the Duke by Mr P. Morey, the Reporter by Mr A. J. E. Morey, and the Pinafore by Mr C. Robinson. '''A DINNER''' was afterwards held in the evening at Gill's Lake View hotel, when the crews were entertained by the officers of the club. The catering was performed by Mr McKenzie, of Bridge street, in his usual complete style. Vice-commodore Wm. Bailey occupied the chair, being supported on his right by Mr '''W. P. Bechervaise''', and on his left by Mr Wm. Downie; Captain Hathorne filled the vice-chair. The usual loyal toasts were disposed of, after which the chairman proposed the toast of "The Absent Commodore, Mr Edward Morey." In doing so he spoke eulogistically of the commodore's services to the club, stating that the latter gentleman had been at the helm of affairs during the past season, and that he had worked hard to get trophies to keep the club on a firm basis. He thought that it was the present company's duty to drink the health of the absent commodore in an enthusiastic manner. The toast was received with musical honours. Mr A. J. E. Morey, who replied on behalf of his father, said that he was deeply gratified at the way in which the toast was received. He was glad that the efforts of the commodore were appreciated, and stated that in a few months his father would doubtless be amongst them again, with the models of a boat that would perhaps "lick all creation," or at least the yachts on Lake Wendouree. He again thanked the company for its reception of the toast, and sat down amidst cheering. The following toasts were, subsequently given and duly responded to:— "The crews," "the vice-commodore, Mr Bailey," "Captain Hathorn," the donors of the seasons trophies," "the starter, Mr '''Bechervaise'''," "The judge, Mr Caselli," "The captain and officers of the club," "The press," "The musical talent," and "The host and hostess." During the evening occasion was taken by the chairman to present Mr W. Downie, hon. secretary of the club with a silver cruet and wine stand, as a token of their appreciation of his services, on the part of the members. The health of the recipient was also drunk, and Mr Downie suitably acknowledged the gift. The National Anthem brought the proceedings to a close.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article200671999 |title=BALLARAT YACHT CLUB. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXVII, |issue=118 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=20 May 1882 |accessdate=28 November 2020 |page=3 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Post office employee sustains injury at work, Bechervaise thanks first responders <blockquote>A painter named John Cornwall, a single man, met with a nasty accident yesterday when engaged painting a telegraph pole in Dana street. The ladder he was standing on slipped, and he fell to the ground, a distance of some 14 or 15 feet, sustaining some contusions and a severe shaking. His point-pot, containing come red paint, fell with him, and its contests splashed up in his face, nose, and month, giving him a very sanguinary appearance. Some employees at the Union Foundry observed his mishap, and hastened to his assistance. Finding that he suffered from the effects of his fall, they conveyed him to the Hospital, where his injuries were attended to. Cornwall stating that he feared he had swallowed some of the paint, the resident surgeon administered an emetic, but it was found that though he got a mouthful of the pigment, none made its way into his gullet. He was admitted into the accident ward, Dr Owen recommending him to rest for some days. Cornwall is in the employ of the Postal Department, and Mr '''Bechervaise''' desires to thank the foundry employes who conveyed the sufferer to the Hospital.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article250058724 |title=No Title |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Courier]] |volume=XXX, |issue=4650 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=24 May 1882 |accessdate=28 November 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1882 06===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Bechervaise appointed to the Administration Council of School of Mines, submits a report on telegraphy classes <blockquote>'''THE SCHOOL OF MINES, BALLARAT.''' The ordinary monthly meeting of the administrative council was held at the school on Wednesday, 7th inst., at 4.30 p.m. Present — Councillors H. R. Caselli, J.P. (in the chair), S. E. Figgis, F. J. Martell, W. H. Nicholls. The minutes of meeting held 3rd May ultimo were read and confirmed. The correspondence for the past month was submitted, and the accounts, amounting to £314 11s 1d, were passed for payment. The following donations, received since last meeting, were thankfully acknowledged:— Local newspapers daily, Avoca Mail, Buninyong Telegraph, Port Denison Times, Gordon Advertiser, Northern Miner, The Chemist and Druggist, Proprietors; catalogue of the trustees, officers, and students of the University of Pennsylvania, 1881-2, secretary of the University of Pennsylvania; monthly railway time, &c., May and June, 1882, A. Lester; annual Reports, Department of Agriculture, 1873, 1874, 1875, secretary for Agriculture; Reports of the Chief Inspector of Mines, 1881, of the Mining Surveyors, and Registrars, quarter ended 31st March, 1882; Mineral Statistics of Victoria for the year 1881; Prodromus of Palaeontology of Victoria, Decade VII; specimens of Grapholite slate from Fryerstown; Sphenopteris from Western Port, Trilobite from Melbourne, and Sandstone from the Grampians, Secretary for Mines; A treatise on the theory of Algebraical equations, Library of Useful Knowledge; Mathematics, vols 2 and 3, Simon Morrison; five maps, counties of Bourke, Grant, Grenville, Ripon, Talbot, Secretary for Lands; Statistical Register of the Colony of Victoria, part 1; Blue Book; Index to Statistical Register for 1880, Government Statist; specimens of fossil fruit, lignite, shale, of tertiary age, and Chloritic slate of Silurian age, Smith Tibbits; 26 vols, of scientific books, unknown donor; Messrs Bateman, Clarke and Co., £2 2s; Bank of Australasia, £2 2s; Bank of Victoria, £3 3s; B. Trewhella, £2 2s; S. S. Thomas; X. Gasser, £1 1s; Messrs Eyres Bros, £1 1s; Messrs W. Downie and Co., £1 1s; Dr Usher, £1 1s; Messrs O'Farrell and Son, £1 1s; E. Rowlands, £1 1s. The minutes of the visiting committee were read, and Crs Caselli and Figgis appointed for the ensuing month. Mr Mann's resignation as a member of the administrative council was submitted, and ultimately accepted with extreme regret, Mr. Mann desiring to retire in favour of some gentleman who could devote more time to the duties required; Mr '''Bechervaise''' was appointed in the room of Mr Mann. A report in reference to telegraphy class requirements, furnished by Mr '''Bechervaise''', was adopted by the council, with thanks for the service rendered. The architect reported completion of contract for tower, and the council urged the necessity for having the apparatus for testing vacuum and steam pressure gauges made available as early as possible. About 250 feet of show cases purchased from the French court at the late international exhibition being found unsuitable for to purpose intended, instructions were given the advertise them for sale. Preparations were in progress for the accommodation of as large a number of persons as possible at the lecture on "Alchemy" to be delivered at the school this (Friday) evening by Mr Foord. Prizes to the amount of £3 3s, given by Mr Flude for the three best drawings competed for by students in mechanical drawing class had been awarded to P. Gay, 1st; T. A. Cowper, 2nd; and H. C. Major, 3rd; the work having been adjudged by Mr Shaw, assisted by Mr Eyres mechanical draughtsman at the Phoenix Foundry. The hearty thanks of the council were evoked by a presentation to the library of the school of 26. vols., scientific works made through Councillor Figgis by an unknown donor. Mr Figgis tabled a notice of motion relative to certain privileges to be accorded to past students of the school for discussion at the next meeting, and the council adjourned.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article202122515 |title=THE SCHOOL OF MINES, BALLARAT |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXVII, |issue=135 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=9 June 1882 |accessdate=28 November 2020 |page=4 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise makes a farewell presentation to Blandford, his senior operator of many years, includes list of all staff <blockquote>'''PRESENTATION TO MR WM. BLANDFORD.''' The officers of the Ballarat Telegraph Office last evening gave expression of their good feeling towards Mr Blandford, the senior operator, who is leaving for Melbourne, by presenting him with a very elegantly arranged and tastefully written address, accompanied by an album. Mr '''Bechervaise''', in making the presentation, passed some very high encomiums upon the qualities of the recipient, at the same time reading a communication from the Deputy Postmaster-General, giving his sanction and approval. Mr Blandford feelingly replied. Mr '''Bechervaise's''' remarks were supplemented by several of the senior officers, whose testimony was heartily applauded. The proceedings terminated with the best wishes of those present for Mr Blandford's welfare, the greatest good feeling prevailing. The address, which was executed Mr W. N. Lansley in his best style, was as follows:— "To William Blandford, Esq., Electric Telegraph Office, Ballarat. Dear sir,— On the eve of your departure for Melbourne, we, the undersigned, your brother officers, desire to express our unqualified esteem for you personally, and our admiration of your capabilities as a telegraphist. We have at all times found our official intercourse with you most pleasurable, and we have to record our sense of deep regret at the severance of your connection with this office. We trust that the change may materially benefit your health, and prove in all other respects beneficial. With best wishes for the health, happiness, and prosperity of yourself and family.— We are, dear sir, your faithful friends, '''W. P. Bechervaise''', F. Binsted, W. Campbell, E. B. Goode, R. Hain, L. Pritchard, E. Milne, K. Griffiths, W. Smith, D. Ballingall, E. J. Toy, A. Bennett, J. Jolly, A. Drummond, T. C. Williams, J. D Hutson, T. T. Martin, E. R. Doward, J. C. Briggs. Ballarat. 27th June, 1882.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article250060674 |title=PRESENTATION TO MR WM. BLANDFORD. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Courier]] |volume=XXX, |issue=4680 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=28 June 1882 |accessdate=28 November 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1882 07===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Bechervaise attends as councillor Administrative Council of School of Mines, donates several publications of the Telegraph Electrical Society of Victoria <blockquote>'''THE SCHOOL OF MINES, BALLARAT.''' The ordinary monthly meeting of the Administrative Council was held at the School on Wednesday, 5th instant, at half-past 4 p.m. Present — Mr James Oddie, J.P., vice-president (in the chair); Crs W. P. Bechervaise, H. R. Caselli, J.P., S. E. Figgis, F. J. Martell, and W. H. Nicholls. Apologies for absence were received from Crs the worshipful the Mayor of Ballarat East and E. J. Rosenblum. The minutes of meeting held 7th June ultimo were read and confirmed. The following donations received since last meeting were acknowledged with thanks, viz:— Local newspapers, daily; Avoca Mail, Gordon Advertiser, Northern Miner, Buninyong Telegraph, The Chemist and Druggist, proprietors; appendix, "New Vegetable Fossils of Victoria," Baron Von Mueller; agricultural statistics of Victoria for the year ending 31st March, 1882, Government Statist; Comptes, Rendus des Seances, serie iii., No. 14, Societe Entomologique de Belgique; Programme for the First Annual Exhibition of the National Mining and Industrial Association, Denver, U.S., S. T. Armstrong; report of the committee of the Victorian Chamber of Manufactures, the secretary; Parliamentary debates, session 1882, Nos. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, and 31. Parliamentary papers, Government Printer, New Zealand; prospectus of the Royal School of Mines, Clawsthal, 1881, two copies, the secretary; monthly export prices current and trade report, Burgoyne, Burbidges, and Co., London; report on Working Men's College, New South Wales, A. L. Elphinstone; record of observations in meteorology, terrestrial magnetism, &c., for March, April, and May, 1881, Government astronomer; modern form of the telephone, by J. D. Doyle; the Telegraph Electrical Society, Melbourne, transactions Nos. 1 to 4, and journal Nos. 5 to 14; an address by L. S. Daniel; the Telegraphic Journal and Electrical Review, London, vol. iv., Nos, 77, 87, 79, 91, 93, vol. v, 95, 97, 99, 101, 103, 105, 107, 108, 109, 111, 113, and 115; '''W. P. Bechervaise'''; 13th annual report of the Aeronautical Society of Great Britain, two papers from the proceedings of the Royal Society; Nos. 217 and 218, 1882, communicated by the president, "On a new electrical storage battery," by the donor, H. Sutton; rock crystals, I. Butsen; specimens of copper ores from Burra Burra mine, S.A., Mr West, per favour Mr Morrison; specimens of marbles, S.A., Mr Todd, per favour Mr Morrison; Mr J. Oddie, J.P., £25; his Worship the Mayor of Ballarat East, £6 6s; Andw. Martin, £1 1s; S. Steele, £1 1s; P. Papenhagen, £1 1s; W. Monie, £1 1s; W. V. Jakins, M.D., £1 1s; R. F. Hudson, M.D., £1 1s; Messrs Magill and Coghlan, £1 1s; Messrs Rogers and Cos., £1 1s; J. Noble Wilson, J.P., £1 1s; Messrs I. and J. Roff, 10s 6d. The correspondence for the past month was submitted, and the accounts, amounting to £253 1s 5d, were passed for payment. It was decided that on Wednesday next the Professor of Chemistry should hold examinations of scholars from State schools attending his lectures with a view to advancing the more proficient to a higher class, and of these again, in cases of special merit, to award free scholarships tenable for one year. The following motion, notice of which had been given at previous meeting, was carried:— "That certificated students on payment of one guinea per annum be allowed the use of the school library, and that passed students in chemistry or metallurgy be allowed the restricted use of the laboratories, under the supervision of the professor." Referring to the erection of workshops, the vice-president pointed out the expediency of obtaining the advice, assistance, and suggestions of competent practical persons, and to this end it was resolved that a special meeting, including examiners of engineers, be convened for the consideration of this important branch of the school work. The architect (Mr Caselli) reported that Messrs Ellery and Shaw had made an inspection of the tower, and informed him of the requisites necessary for making it available for testing, &c., and the council gave instructions to have the work completed without further delay. The vice-president referred to the very scant accommodation afforded by the schools buildings for museum, lecture room, and class room purposes, and it was resolved to make application to the Government to place a sum of £2,000 on the supplementary estimates to enable the council to erect suitable additional buildings. It was reported that a Field Club and Science Society had been successfully established in connection with the school, and an application for the use of a room for a drawing class was granted. The council then adjourned.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article202124266 |title=THE SCHOOL OF MINES, BALLARAT. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXVII, |issue=160 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=8 July 1882 |accessdate=28 November 2020 |page=4 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1882 08===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Typical housekeeping for Bechervaise <blockquote>'''BALLARAT POST OFFICE NOTICE.''' Mails for the United Kingdom, Europe, America, &c. will be made up at this office on Monday, 31st August, for despatch by the R.M.S. Ravenna. The times appointed for closing are:— For registered letters, ordinary letters, packets, and newspapers, at six p.m. Money orders on the United Kingdom will be issued (latest time) from nine a.m. to half-past ten a.m. on Monday, 14th August. Money orders on India, Cape of Good Hope, Germany, and America will not be issued later than twenty-four hours prior to the time of closing for money orders on the United Kingdom. '''WM. PHILIP BECHERVAISE''', Postmaster. Post and Telegraph Offices, Ballarat, 10th August, 1882.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article250063480 |title=Advertising |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Courier]] |volume=XXXI, |issue=4719 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=12 August 1882 |accessdate=28 November 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1882 09===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Bechervaise attends meeting of Administrative Council of School of Mines <blockquote>'''THE SCHOOL OF MINES, BALLARAT.''' The ordinary monthly meeting of the administrative council was held at the school on Wednesday, 6th instant. Present — Mr James Oddie, J.P., vice-president, in the chair, Councillors '''W. P. Bechervaise''', H. R. Caselli, J.P., S. E. Figgis, F. J. Martell, W. H. Nicholls, and E. I. Rosenblum. The minutes of meeting held 2nd August ultimo, were read and confirmed. The correspondence for the past month was submitted, and the accounts, amounting to £336 4s 3d, were passed for payment. The following donations received since last meeting were thankfully acknowledged:— . . .<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article250065191 |title=THE SCHOOL OF MINES, BALLARAT. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Courier]] |volume=XXXI, |issue=4743 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=9 September 1882 |accessdate=28 November 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise leads a presentation to staffer Nichols on the occasion of his marriage <blockquote>Mr George Nichols, an officer of the General Post Office, Ballarat, was, last evening, the recipient of a handsome writing-desk, suitably inscribed. The occasion of the presentation by his brother officers was to commemorate a most important event, viz., the marriage of Mr Nichols. Mr '''Bechervaise''', the postmaster, who presented the memento, spoke in a most feeling manner of the satisfactory relations existing between Mr Nichols and the staff. After the former had replied, three cheers were given for the newly-made Benedict, and "one cheer more" for his bride. <ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article250065403 |title=No Title |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Courier]] |volume=XXXI, |issue=4746 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=13 September 1882 |accessdate=28 November 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Overview of history of telegraphy classes at School of Mines, likely written by Bechervaise, notes his appointment as examiner in Ellery's stead <blockquote>'''THE TELEGRAPHY CLASS AT THE SCHOOL OF MINES.''' We learn that an examination in telegraphy will be held at the School of Mines on Thursday (to-morrow) and that fourteen candidates will present themselves. It may, therefore, be interesting to many of our readers if we give a brief account of this class from its inception. In 1874, at the urgent request of the then council of the school, and by permission of the Government, the telegraphy class was organised and placed upon a proper basis by Mr '''Bechervaise''', who was for several years the lecturer and instructor, but on the transfer of that gentleman to take charge of the telegraph branch, Melbourne, in 1879, Mr W. D. Campbell, a former student, and an officer of the Telegraph Department, was appointed to the post. The two gentleman named, it will be seen by a reference to the school returns, have been eminently successful in their work, and many of the gentlemen and ladies who qualified themselves have received during the past few years appointments in the postal and telegraph service of this and the other colonies, and numbers of young men connected with the telegraph offices at Ballarat and surrounding towns have, upon the strength of their certificates of the school, received promotion. There is thus substantial proof of the good work achieved in this particular class, and we happen to know a number of young persons who have from time to time studied in other branches of science at our School of Mines, and who have by the knowledge thus gained been able to make a good start in life. This speaks volumes, and should be the means of causing a substantial addition to the students rolls at the school. For the information of intending future students at the telegraphy class, we may state that examinations take place half-yearly, and the course of instruction embraces the construction and uses of the several instruments in the Morse and other systems; the making up of Voltaic batteries, the direction and force of currents, operating; testing scientifically for faults of all descriptions at a telegraph office in the batteries, instruments, or any part of the connections, and also on the lines at any distance, together with a knowledge of magneto-electricity and electromagnetism, the mode of generating the same, &c., &c. These, with much additional information, the student requires to become thoroughly au fait in before he or she can with any prospect of success, put in an appearance for examination. Messrs R. L. J. Ellery, the Government astronomer (who was, by the way, at one time an officer in the Telegraph Department), and Mr Samuel W. McGowan, chief inspector of postal and telegraph service, have always been the examiners in this class; but we understand that the former gentleman has been compelled, in view of his numerous engagements, to resign his appointment, and Mr '''W. P. Bechervaise''' has, on the nomination of Messrs Ellery and McGowan, been appointed to the vacant examinership.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article250065837 |title=THE TELEGRAPHY CLASS AT THE SCHOOL OF MINES. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Courier]] |volume=XXXI, |issue=4752 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=20 September 1882 |accessdate=28 November 2020 |page=4 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise first time assistant examiner in telegraphy at School of Mines <blockquote>'''NEWS AND NOTES.''' . . . Mr McGowan, chief inspector of the Post and Telegraph Department, will, with the assistance of Mr '''Bechervaise''', local postmaster, commence the examination in telegraphy at the School of Mines this morning. The can-didates, 14 in number, will commence their work at 9 o'clock. <ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article202128918 |title=NEWS AND NOTES. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXVII, |issue=224 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=21 September 1882 |accessdate=28 November 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> 6 of the 9 women to present to the telegraphy examination pass, one with credit <blockquote>'''NEWS AND NOTES.''' . . . An examination in telegraphy was held yesterday, at the School of Mines, Messrs S. W. McGowan and '''W. P. Bechervaise''' officiating as examiners. Fourteen candidates presented themselves to undergo the ordeal, of whom nine were young ladies. The examination was a good test of the candidates' knowledge of the principles of telegraphy. The highest number of marks that could be secured was 300, and a candidate to pass was compelled to obtain at least 250 marks. The results were that eight were passed by the examiners, the names of whom are as follow:— Frank Duncan, Clunes (credit), 289; Susanna Watts Tregaskis (credit), 281; Annie Ella Jordan, 271; Margaret Ellen Brophy, 267; Ida Amelia Hellaten, 265; Susan Elizabeth McKenna, 262; Agnes Stewart Heatly, 254; William Dunn, 250.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article202128959 |title=NEWS AND NOTES. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXVII, |issue=225 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=22 September 1882 |accessdate=28 November 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1882 10===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Bechervaise attends monthly meeting of administrative council of School of Mines <blockquote>'''THE SCHOOL OF MINES, BALLARAT.''' The ordinary monthly meeting of the administrative council was held at the School on Wednesday. Present — Mr James Oddie, J.P., vice-president, in the chair; Councillors '''W. P. Bechervaise'''; H. R. Caselli, J.P.; S. E. Figgis, F. J. Martell, W. H. Nicholls, and E. I. Rosenblum. The minutes of meeting held on 6th September ultimo were read and confirmed. The correspondence for the past month was submitted, and accounts amounting to £310 15s 4d were passed for payment. The following donations, received since last meeting, were thankfully acknowledged:— <ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article250067309 |title=THE SCHOOL OF MINES, BALLARAT. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Courier]] |volume=XXXI, |issue=4772 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=13 October 1882 |accessdate=28 November 2020 |page=4 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1882 11===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Bechervaise, as president Ballarat Swimming Club presents the annual report <blockquote>'''BALLARAT SWIMMING CLUB.''' The annual meeting of members was held last night at the Mechanics' Institute, Mr '''W. P. Bechervaise''' (the president) in the chair. There was a large attendance of members, and Mr Caselli apologised for the absence of the city mayor. Annual Report —"Your committee took office in January last, and in presenting a brief report to the members and subscribers of the work done during the past season, they desire to remark that though many difficulties were encountered in collecting sufficient monies to bring off the annual swimming matches last March; still it is pleasing to record that the tournament was an unqualified success, which was in a great measure owing to the kindness of his worship the mayor of Melbourne, and Mr E. G. Fitzgibbon, town clerk, trustees in the Geo. Gall Bequest Cup, for allowing the same to be competed for in our matches. Also to Mr J. Noble Wilson, mayor of the city, who followed the good example of his predecessor in office, Mr Robert Lewis, by donating from his mayor's allowance the sum of £5, the Ballarat Yacht Club, who generously gave £5 5s, and the Hon. Francis Ormond, £3 3s; the thanks of the committee are due to these donors, with several other gentlemen who kindly helped. At the early part of the season, when the eastern baths were about to be opened, your president and other gentlemen waited upon the Town Council to render assistance and offer suggestions for the conducting of the business of the baths there, but more especially with a view to the establishment of a second swimming club at Ballarat East. But although the swimming club was not then formed, it is to be hoped that every effort will be made without loss of time to establish strong clubs in the city and town; and also, that the proposed ladies' club will be numerously attended. In concluding their report your committee desire to heartily thank the local press for the great assistance rendered.— '''W. P. Bechervaise''', President; A. W. Bennett, Hon. Secretary. The balance-sheet gave the receipts for the year at £58 4s 3d, and the expenditure at exactly the same amount. The directors reported the accounts correct. The report and balance sheet were then adopted. The following officers were then elected:— Patrons, Mayor Claxton (City), and Mayor Ferguson (town); president, Mr '''Bechervaise'''; vice-presidents, Messrs R. Baker and J. Josephs; committee — Messrs R. Lewis, O. E. Wilson, R. Ince, F. W, Claxton, S. Abrahams, H. E. Smith, W. Downie, Jas. Walker, Hy. Walsh, E. J. Rosenblum, and Dr Whitcombe. Messrs Caselli and Rosenblum then brought before the meeting the advisability of forming a ladies' swimming club, with Miss Elphinstone Dick as instructress. The meeting promised its hearty support to such a club, and Mr Caselli will meet the committee next week to take steps to put the ladies' club on a proper footing. The matters of the subscriptions for ladies, gentlemen, and youths were referred to the forthcoming committee meeting, but it was unanimously resolved that ladies should be eligible for election as members of the club. A strong committee having been formed, there is little room for doubt that the club will have a successful season. A hearty vote of thanks was passed, to Mr Alf. Bennett, the able secretary of the club, and as he could not undertake the secretarial duties this season, Mr J. S. H. Hammond was elected his successor. The meeting closed with the usual compliment to the chair.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article202698573 |title=BALLARAT SWIMMING CLUB. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXVII, |issue=261 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=3 November 1882 |accessdate=28 November 2020 |page=3 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise performs starting duties at 6th annual Ballarat Yacht Club regatta <blockquote>'''SPORTING NEWS. BALLARAT YACHT CLUB REGATTA.''' President, the Hon. Philip Russell; vice-presidents, Messrs G. G. Morton, and B. Hepburn; Judge, Mr H. R. Caselli; starter, Mr '''W. P. Bechervaise'''; treasurer, Mr T. Mann; committee, Messrs E. Morey, W. Bailey, E. Millard, T. Bailey, J. Hickman, E. Williams, E. Morey, jun., G. Hathorn, J. Goodall, T. Stoddart, and W. Pritchard; secretary, Mr William Downie. The sixth annual regatta in connection with the Ballarat Yacht Club took place, at Lake Wendouree yesterday. Fine warm weather was experienced, the only drawback being the very light breeze which prevailed, and which in a great measure prolonged the sailing con-tests. There was a good attendance of spectators, though at the same time the gathering was expected to have been more numerous, from the fact that a half-holiday was observed by nearly the whole of the business people of the city and town. . . .<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article202699411 |title=SPORTING NEWS. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXVII, |issue=274 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=18 November 1882 |accessdate=28 November 2020 |page=4 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1882 12===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Bechervaise attends the first annual competition of the Ballarat Gymnastic Association <blockquote>'''BALLARAT GYMNASTIC ASSOCIATION.''' The first annual competition in connexion with the above association was held on Friday evening, the 24th November, in the presence of a large number of members and their friends, including a large percentage of ladies. Mr. Andrew Anderson, J.P., presided, and in opening the proceedings apologised for the absence of Mr. Rosenblum, the president (whose indisposition prevented him from being present). Messrs. G. Gross, the instructor, and H. A. King, the late secretary, conducted the proceedings, which consisted of a variety of cleverly performed feats, in which muscle and agility were well displayed. Included in the programme was a "tug of war," in which sides were chosen by Messrs. Chalmers and Hammond. This exercise was exceedingly well contested, and was finally won by the team of the former, amidst a deal of applause on the part of the audience. In the boys' class, Master William Young secured the champion prize, he being best at the horizontal bar, the Roman rings, and the horse. The prize is a very handsome silver medal, and the winner had no easy task to secure it. In the members' competition, Mr. J. S. H. Hammond was successful in taking the champion prize, he having won the horizontal bar, slanting ladder, and parallel bar exercise. The prize consisted of a beautiful gold Maltese cross, and was the gift of Mr. H. A. King. The winner in this case did excellent work. Mr. H. Chalmers won the horse exercise, Mr. J. Walker the horizontal ladder, and Mr. W. Shackles (after a good contest) secured the prize for Roman rings and dumb-bells. At the conclusion of the competition Mr. Andersen spoke in complimentary terms of the success attending the efforts of Mr. Geo. Gross as instructor during the past year, and stated that many who were not then present had attained great proficiency as gymnasts as well as physical benefit, and that a very large number of state school teachers who had lately joined the class had shown a marked improvement, and heartily appreciated the great benefit derivable from such splendid exercise. Mr. Gross returned thanks, and briefly pointed out the advantages of physical training, which was essential in assisting mental culture. Mr. '''W. P. Bechervaise''' then called for three hearty cheers for Mr. H. A. King, who had been the life and soul of the association since its inception. Three cheers were also given to Mr. Gross, after which Mr. H. R. Caselli proposed a cheer for the chairman, and the proceedings terminated.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article138646361 |title=BALLARAT GYMNASTIC ASSOCIATION. |newspaper=[[The Australasian]] |volume=XXXIII, |issue=870 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=2 December 1882 |accessdate=28 November 2020 |page=14 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> ====1883==== <!-- <blockquote><ref></ref></blockquote> --> =====1883 01===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Bechervaise again appointed to the School of Mines administrative council <blockquote>'''COUNCIL MEETING.''' A meeting of the council was then held to elect an administrative council for the ensuing year, also a financial committee. The following gentlemen were elected an administrative council:— Messrs Caselli, Figgis, Rosenblum, '''Bechervaise''', Williams, Nicholls, and Martell. Messrs Nicholls and Caselli and the vice-president were elected a finance committee. The meeting then adjourned.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article202702714 |title=COUNCIL MEETING. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXVIII, |issue=18 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=20 January 1883 |accessdate=28 November 2020 |page=3 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1883 02===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Bechervaise appointed chairman and treasurer for the annual Ballarat regatta <blockquote>'''SPORTING NEWS. ROWING.''' A meeting of the committees of the two rowing clubs was held at Lester's hotel last evening; Mr '''Bechervaise''' was appointed chairman and treasurer, and Messrs H. A. King and R. Toy, secretary and assistant secretary respectively. It was resolved that the regatta committee should consist of six members from each of the two racing clubs, and six from the yacht club. The secretary was directed to ascertain date of Geelong regatta before the next meeting.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article202703648 |title=SPORTING NEWS. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXVIII, |issue=33 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=7 February 1883 |accessdate=28 November 2020 |page=3 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise attends administrative council meeting of School of Mines <blockquote>'''THE SCHOOL OF MINES, BALLARAT.''' The ordinary monthly meeting of the administrative council was held at the school on Wednesday last. Present — Mr James Oddie, J.P., vice-president, in the chair; Councillors '''W. P. Bechervaise''', H. R. Caselli, J.P., S. E. Figgis, F. J. Martell, W. H. Nicholls, and Theos. Williams, J.P. The minutes of last meeting, held 10th January ultimo, were read and confirmed. The correspondence in and out for the past month was submitted, and the accounts presented accounting to £212 5s 9d, were passed for payment. The following donations, re-ceived since last meeting, were thankfully acknowledged:— . . .<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article254654324 |title=THE SCHOOL OF MINES, BALLARAT. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Courier]] |volume=XXXII, |issue=4874 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=10 February 1883 |accessdate=29 November 2020 |page=4 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1883 03===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Bechervaise, as President, presents prizes for swimming club tournament <blockquote>A most enthusiastic meeting of the members and competitors of the Ballarat Swimming Club was held at the Mechanics' Institute last evening, when the prizes for the late tournament were presented to the successful competitors by Mr '''W. P. Bechervaise''', the president of the club. During the presentation Mr '''Bechervaise''' spoke of the advantages to be derived from swimming, and passed many eulogiums on the proficiency attained by members generally, also paying many high commendations to recipients of prizes. He trusted that the financial position of the club would be as good next season as at present. A vote of thanks was passed to Mr '''Bechervaise''' for the able and efficient manner in which he performed the onerous duties appertaining to the office of president of the club, also a vote of thanks to the committee, whose untiring energies had been the means of bringing the season to such a successful termination. The meeting then adjourned. We were shown yesterday some very hand-some gold and silver prize medals, manufactured by Mr S. Abrahams, Sturt street, for several of the winners at the late Ballarat Swimming Club matches. The medals are in different forms, and are exceedingly credit-able specimens of the jeweller's art. They will be on view at Bardwell's Royal Studio to-day. <ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article254657373 |title=No Title |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Courier]] |volume=XXXII, |issue=4897 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=9 March 1883 |accessdate=29 November 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise attends monthly meeting of administrative council of School of Mines <blockquote>'''THE SCHOOL OF MINES, BALLARAT.''' The ordinary monthly meeting of the administrative council was held at the school on Wednesday last. Present — Mr H. R. Caselli, J.P., in the chair; Councillors '''W. P. Bechervaise''', F. J. Martell, W. H. Nicholls, and E. J. Rosenblum. The minutes of previous meeting, held 7th February ultimo, were read and confirmed, and the accounts presented, amounting to £347 14s, were passed for payment. The following donations, received since last meeting, were thankfully acknowledged:— Copies of local newspapers daily, Avoca Mail, Buninyong Telegraph, Gordon Advertiser, the Federal Australian, Northern Miner (Charters Towers), Port Denison Times, and the Chemist and Druggist; proprietors. Copy of the 18th annual report of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Boston, U.S.A.; secretary. Copy of the second triennial report of the Pharmacy Board of Victoria, 1883; secretary. Journal of the Society of Telegraph Engineers and of Electricians; '''W. P. Bechervaise'''. Parliamentary debates, New Zealand Government. Monthly record of results of observations in meteorology, terrestrial magnetism, &c., Government astronomer; fourth annual report in connection with friendly societies. Government statist; four large photographs of gold nuggets, R. M. Serjeant, J.P.; scale for correcting "surcharge" of the gold bullion assay, as used in the Royal Mint, G. Foord; specimen of hematite from Barrow, Lancashire, A. Hanson; collection of oligocene fossils, mollusca, whale bones, and sharks' teeth from Grange Burn and Muddy Creek, near Hamilton, G. Telford; twelve specimens of limestone, with fossil anthrozoa, bryozoa, and other mollusca of lower miocene type; four specimens of basalt, scoria, and tuffa (newer volcanic); and one specimen of olivine from newer volcanic lava, Mount Gambier, S.A.— Dr. Pinnock; model of improved quartz crushing battery, A. Simeon; lyre bird, A. Boyle, Fernshaw, per favor of the vice-president; Messrs Curcier and Adet, Melbourne, £1 1s; Charles Kent, M.R.C.S., £1 1s; L. Stansfield, £1 1s; Ballarat Hardware Company, £1 1s; Band and Albion Consols, per favor of Mr D. Cameron, £2 2s; J. Taplin, 10s. The correspondence in and out for the past month was submitted and dealt with by the council. The acting-registrar was instructed to convey the thanks of the council to Mr Wall, for kindly consenting to devote two evenings a month to the instruction of the members of the telescope company in astronomical science. Mr Wall will meet the young people at the school on the evenings of Thursday and Friday, the 15th and 16th of March instant, when it is expected that arrangements will be made with other gentle-men to assist in the work. An application for contributions to the Technological Museum, Sydney, recently destroyed by the burning of the Garden Palace, in which it was then located, received the favorable consideration of the council. It was resolved that the curator be requested to prepare a collection of specimens for presentation to the museum. The reports of the visiting committee for the past month were highly satisfactory, with the exception that it was observed with regret that some of the students attended very irregularly. It was suggested that means be adopted with a view of securing as full attendance as circumstances might permit. An improvement in this direction, it was considered, would tend to the benefit of the students and to the credit of the lecturers engaged in their instruction. A gentleman residing at Mansfield, desirous of patenting a new stop-action applicable to mining safety-cages, by letter requested the council to take the initiative in petitioning the Government to make concessions to designers of new mining appliances by remitting the fees payable to the Attorney-General under the patent laws. The council expressed their willingness to encourage by every means in their power ingenuity exerted on behalf of the miner, but declined to take action on present information. Tenders for the supply of firewood were laid on the table, and the tender of Mr Thos. Whyatt, of Sulky Gully, was accepted. The following notices of motion were given for next meeting:— 1. Redistribution of terms. 2. To place a sum of money in bank as a fixed deposit bearing interest, to be appropriated to scholarships. 3. To confirm the appointment of the present acting registrar as registrar of the institution, with a suitable increase of salary. 4. To limit sundry expenditure to £5 per month. The council then adjourned.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article254657482 |title=THE SCHOOL OF MINES, BALLARAT. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Courier]] |volume=XXXII, |issue=4898 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=10 March 1883 |accessdate=29 November 2020 |page=4 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise acts as Umpire and Committeeman at Ballarat Annual Regatta <blockquote>'''BALLARAT ANNUAL REGATTA.''' The annual regatta was held at the lake yesterday, and proved, as far as the racing was concerned, one of the finest, if not the finest, ever held in Ballarat. The entries were unusually numerous, and the finishes of the principal races were of a most exciting character. The affair was well conducted, but as we must strive to attain perfection we would suggest to the authorities of the clubs most interested in the success of the Ballarat regatta to consider, as their next improvement, the advisability of having the course properly surveyed, and also of having some means arranged for timing the races. Major Sleep attended the regatta yesterday ready to officiate as timekeeper, but there were no means of signalling either the start or the finish of a race, and it was consequently impossible to time the winners. In other respects the events were very well conducted and had the weather been fine would doubtless have drawn some thousands more to the lake than did assemble during the afternoon on the Eastern walk and View Point. The day was too cold to tempt many ladies to the lake side, but there was nearly 2000 spectators; for all that, on the banks near the boathouses and at View Point. The racing was most interesting, and much above the average of past regattas. The Maiden Sculls fell to Robertson of the Ballarat club; Barnes, the City representative, having one of his sculls broken early in the contest in a collision with the Ballarat man. . . . The following gentlemen officiated, as designated, in conducting the regatta:— Judges — Messrs H. R. Caselli and J. Garbutt. Starters — Messrs G. Lovitt and Pobjoy. Timekeeper, Major Steep. Umpire, Mr '''W. P. Bechervaise'''. Committee — Messrs '''W. P. Bechervaise''' (chairman), Captain E. Williams, J. McWhae, A. Lester, H. H. Gall, — Earle, J. Shevill, R. Foley. Commodore E. Morey, W. Bailey, T. Bailey, H. R. Caselli, J. Hickman, W. Downie, Captain P. Cazaly, A. Gibbs, A. Hollander, A. McNaughtan, J. Fitzgerald, A. M. Lyle, and W. T. Luplau. . . .<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article254657620 |title=BALLARAT ANNUAL REGATTA |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Courier]] |volume=XXXII, |issue=4898 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=10 March 1883 |accessdate=29 November 2020 |page=4 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise, typical house-keeping <blockquote>'''BALLARAT POST OFFICE NOTICE.''' Mails for Auckland, Honolulu, San Francisco, and London will be made up at this office on Tuesday, 20th March, for despatch to Sydney. The time appointed for closing for letters, packets, and newspapers is 6 p.m. Correspondence will not be forwarded by this route unless, fully pre-paid, and specially endorsed. "Via California." '''WM. PHILIP BECHERVAISE''', Postmaster. Post-Office, Ballarat, 16th March, 1883. <ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article202705631 |title=Advertising |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXVIII, |issue=66 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=17 March 1883 |accessdate=29 November 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise and McGowan conduct the telegraphy examinations for the School of Mines, majority of participants women <blockquote>The January term examinations for the certificate of competency in the art of telegraphy were conducted at the School of Mines yesterday, by Messrs S. W. McGowan, chief inspector telegraph and postal service, and '''W. P. Bechervaise''', the school's examiners in that subject. The following is a list of the successful candidates:— George Odlum, Mrs Mary Hope James, and Miss Emily Ford, passed with credit; Miss Hannah Duffy, Miss Ellen Fussell, George Alexander Cormack, Edwin Jones, and Miss Sarah May Boyd, passed.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article254658964 |title=No Title |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Courier]] |volume=XXXII, |issue=4908 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=22 March 1883 |accessdate=29 November 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1883 04===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Bechervaise's nephew Edward from Geelong wins trophy for sailing match at Lake Wendouree <blockquote>An interesting sailing-match for a trophy, presented by Commodore Morey, took place on Lake Wendouree on Saturday, and resulted in a win for Mr. '''E. Bechervaise's''' Flying Scud. An adjournment was subsequently made to the club room, where the trophy was formally presented to the winner by the donor. It was then arranged that a Hepburn Trophy (valued at £25) should be sailed under the same conditions as previous ones, viz., 15 points; 4, 3, 2 for first, second, and third boats; and that the first event should take place on Saturday (to-day), at 3 p.m. Mr. Hepburn having been unanimously elected a life member, the meeting closed.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article221753801 |title=Yachting Items. |newspaper=[[Weekly Times]] |issue=709 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=7 April 1883 |accessdate=29 November 2020 |page=5 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise attends final meeting of Phoenix Foundry demonstration committee (100 locomotives produced) <blockquote>The final meeting of the Phoenix Foundry demonstration committee was held last evening in the City Hall, the mayor (Mr F. M. Claxton) in the chair. The report by the hon. secretary and treasurer was of a most satisfactory character, and the whole of the accounts were passed for payment, with the exception of the caterer's, which was left for settlement in the hands of Messrs Spillman and '''Bechervaise'''. It was elicited that there would be a credit balance of £20, and it was resolved that this sum be devoted towards the purchase of a scientific instrument for presentation to the School of Mines, and to be suitably inscribed as the gift of the Shaw banquet committee. The mayor complimented the committee on the manner in which it had carried out the whole arrangements, and stated he had never known a committee which had done so much work in so short a time. A hearty vote of thanks was passed to the secretary, and a suggestion made that a memento be given to Mr Spillman, but that gentleman declined the proposal, and added that his work had been a labor of love, and he was pleased to know that the demonstration had been so successful. It was then resolved that the minute-book, together with photographs of the 100th engine and the scene of the demonstration, as also copies of the reports in the local papers be presented to the City Council to be placed within its archives. Votes of thanks were passed with three times three cheers to the mayor and Mr Jas. Oddie, after which an adjournment was made to the mayor's room, and several toasts proposed and responded to, and congratulations ex-pressed at the satisfactory result of the demonstration. <ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article254661411 |title=No Title |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Courier]] |volume=XXXII, |issue=4930 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=18 April 1883 |accessdate=29 November 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1883 05===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Bechervaise on the committee of the Electric Telegraph Rowing Club <blockquote>'''ELECTRIC TELEGRAPH ROWING CLUB.''' On Saturday and Monday last the members of the above club held handicap sculling races for a trophy presented by the vice-president of the club. The following are the results:— Murn (40sec.) beat Bigley (20sec.) by two lengths; Mansfield (25 sec.) beat Bartlett (10sec.) by three lengths; Davis (20 sec.) beat Abbott (35sec.) by two lengths; Richards (at scratch) beat Johnston (at scratch) by half a length; Wilkinson (23sec.) beat Williams, the latter capsizing near the winning post; Joynes (10sec.) beat Heggie (35sec.) by a length; Mans-field (23sec.) beat Davies (20sec.) by a length. Tied Murn beat Davies, Joynes beat Wilkinson, Mansfield beat Murn. Final Heat.— Mansfield beat Joynes. Mansfield has, therefore, become the first winner of the tophy, which has to be won twice, not neces-sarily in succession. The cup is a very handsome one, standing a foot high, supported by three oars placed crosswise on a blackwood pedestal. Water lilies and scenes suggestive of rowing are engraved upon the bowl, and the following inscription is upon the rim:— Vice-presidents trophy, presented to the E.T.R.C. '''W. P. Bechervaise''', G. S. Caldwell, T. Gay, J. D. Gillan." In addition to the above, the winner upon each occasion receives a gold medal.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article8516789 |title=ELECTRIC TELEGRAPH ROWING CLUB. |newspaper=[[The Argus (Melbourne)]] |issue=11,503 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=4 May 1883 |accessdate=29 November 2020 |page=9 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise, as president Ballarat Swimming Club, organises a testimonial for the ladies' swimming instructor <blockquote>Miss Sheedy, the instructress of the ladies' swimming club, has during the past season rendered such valuable assistance to the members of the club that some of them intend presenting her with a testimonial in appreciation of her services. All information necessary can be obtained from Mr '''Bechervaise''' (president) or Mr Hammond (secretary), of the Ballarat Swimming Club. <ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article254662761 |title=No Title |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Courier]] |volume=XXXII, |issue=4949 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=10 May 1883 |accessdate=29 November 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1883 06===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> As previous report <blockquote>'''AQUATICS.''' . . . The Electric Telegraph Rowing Club last month held the first series of competitions for the vice-presidents' cup, presented by Messrs. '''W. P. Bechervaise''', G. W. Caldwell, T. Gay, and G. D. Gillan, The races created some excitement at the time amongst the operators, clerks, and messengers (of whom the club is chiefly composed), as to who would be the winner. W. Mansfield having proved victorious, his fellow-messengers, in appreciation of his victory, determined to present him with a diamond locket, and met at the Electric Telegraph-office on Monday evening for the purpose. Mr. W. C. Garritty, in a neat and appropriate speech, made the presentation, the recipient suitably responding. The meeting afterwards resolved itself into a social gathering, and a pleasant evening was spent. The Electric Telegraph Rowing Club held Trial Fours on Wednesday, four crews competing, with the following results:— First Heat: Johnston, Murn, Mansfield, and Williams, against Brown, Peretz, Matthews, and Drummond; won by the former. Second Heat: Johnston's crew against Howard, Peacock, Joynes, and Cohen; a splendid race, ending in a win for Johnston's crew. Final Heat between Johnston's crew and Bartlett, Carter, Wilkinson, and Heggie, was won by Johnston's crew by half a length. <ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article221753274 |title=AQUATICS. |newspaper=[[Weekly Times]] |issue=718 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=9 June 1883 |accessdate=29 November 2020 |page=5 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1883 07===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Bechervaise fails to satisfy council requirements for sightly telegraph poles <blockquote>It being necessary to arrange some proper method of collecting the telephone wires in Sturt street near the Corner, Mr '''Bechervaise''', at the request of the city mayor, has submitted two plans for doing so. As the proposed method necessitated the erection of three poles forming the comers of a triangle in, or partly in, the gardens in front of the Corner, the councillors considered the matter in committee, as they felt that it was right that the central telephone-bearers should be made as sightly a structure as possible. The councillors expressed a disinclination to have the gardens, which have been so recently set right, disturbed.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article254666970 |title=No Title |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Courier]] |volume=XXXII, |issue=4995 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=3 July 1883 |accessdate=29 November 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise attends full meeting of Council of School of Mines <blockquote>'''THE SCHOOL OF MINES, BALLARAT.''' The ordinary quarterly meeting of the council was held at the school on Wednesday last. Present — Mr James Oddie, J.P., vice-president (in the chair). Councillors '''W. P. Bechervaise''', H. R. Caselli, J.P., S. E. Figgis, I. J. Jones, J.P., W. H. Nicholls, E. I. Rosenblum, and Theophilus Williams, J.P. An apology for unavoidable absence was received from Councillor F. J. Martell. The minutes of quarterly meeting held 4th April last, and of special meeting of the council held 23rd of the same month, were read and confirmed. The reports of examiners for The School's certificates of competency were read, and certificates granted to the candidates who passed the prescribed examinations as follow:— . . . .<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article254668416 |title=THE SCHOOL OF MINES, BALLARAT. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Courier]] |volume=XXXIII, |issue=5004 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=13 July 1883 |accessdate=29 November 2020 |page=4 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1883 08===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Typical housekeeping for Bechervaise <blockquote>'''BALLARAT POST OFFICE NOTICE.''' Mails for Auckland, Honolulu, San Francisco, and London will be made up at this office on Tuesday, 7th August, for despatch to Sydney. The time appointed for closing for letters, packets and newspapers is 6 p.m. Letters, &c., via the United Kingdom, for the Continent of Europe, will not be forwarded by this route unless fully prepaid, and specially endorsed "Via California." WM. PHILIP BECHERVAISE, Postmaster. Post-Office, Ballarat, 3rd August, 1883.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article202509508 |title=Advertising |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXVIII, |issue=185 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=4 August 1883 |accessdate=29 November 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1883 09===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> =====1883 10===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> =====1883 11===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Typical housekeeping for Bechervaise <blockquote>'''BALLARAT POST OFFICE NOTICE.''' Mails for Auckland, Honolulu, San Francisco, and London will be made up at this office on Tuesday, 27th November for despatch to Sydney. The time appointed for closing for letters, packets, and newspapers is 6 p.m. Letters, &c. via the United Kingdom, for the Continent of Europe, will not be forwarded by this route unless fully prepaid, and specially endorsed "Via California." '''WM. PHILIP BECHERVAISE''', Postmaster. Post-Office, Ballarat, 23rd November, 1883. <ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article201618726 |title=Advertising |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXVIII, |issue=280 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=23 November 1883 |accessdate=29 November 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1883 12===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Bechervaise chairs special general meeting of Ballarat City Rowing Club <blockquote>'''CITY ROWING CLUB.''' A special general meeting of the City Rowing Club was held last night at Brophy's hotel; Mr '''W. P. Bechervaise''' in the chair, and about 40 members present. The resignation of the hon. secretary, Mr Rd. Toy, was tendered and accepted with regret, and it was decided that a letter be sent thanking him for his past services. The election of the hon. secretary of the club was then proceeded with, and resulted in Mr John G. Rennie being elected to that office. It may be added that Mr Rennie some two years ago filled the secretarial post in the club in question. During his term of office he gave the greatest satisfaction to the members; therefore, his re-election to his old position will no doubt be hailed with pleasure by his fellow oarsmen. The next business dealt with was the drawing of the ties for the scratch pair races to commence to morrow. The results were as follow:— Matthews v Bayley, McNaughton v Tootel, Lumsden v Shaw, Wheatland v Rennie, Barber v Dawson, Fitzgerald v Lawrie, Mountain v Hollander, Jamieson v Dobson, Aikin v Lewis, Trahar v Joy, Wheeler v Barnes, Hunt v Pobjoy, Strachan (walkover). The following heats will be rowed tomorrow afternoon:— Lumsden v Shaw, Barber v Dawson, Wheatland v Rennie. A vote of thanks to the chair closed a very successful meeting.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article201619842 |title=CITY ROWING CLUB. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXVIII, |issue=298 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=14 December 1883 |accessdate=29 November 2020 |page=3 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Rumour that Bechervaise to be promoted to inspectorship <blockquote>'''TOWN TALK.''' . . . It is rumored that Mr '''Bechervaise''', the postmaster at Ballarat, is to be promoted to the vacant inspectorship caused by the dismissal from the Government service of Mr Pitman. Should the promotion take place, as rumored, Mr Fisher, postmaster at Geelong, will be entitled, by seniority, to take charge of the post-office at Ballarat.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article150383238 |title=TOWN TALK. |newspaper=[[Geelong Advertiser]] |issue=11,026 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=20 December 1883 |accessdate=29 November 2020 |page=3 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise again performs starter duties for Ballarat Yacht Club <blockquote>'''THE BALLARAT YACHT CLUB REGATTA.''' President.— The Hon. Philip Russell, M.L.C.; vice-presidents, Messrs G. G. Morton and B. Hepburn; judge Mr H. R. Caselli; starter, Mr '''W. P. Bechervaise'''; treasurer, Mr T. Mann; committee, Messrs E. Morey, W. Bailey, E. Millard, T. Bailey, J. Hickman. C. Stewart, R. Orr, W. Gale, M. Griffiths, E. Williams, E. Morey, jun., G. Hathorn, W. Pritchard, T. Gill, A. Clinton, and T. Stoddart; secretary, Mr W. Downie. The seventh annual regatta of the Ballarat Yacht Club took place at Lake Wendouree yesterday. Favourable weather was experienced, but the attendance was not large. The paucity of spectators was, no doubt, in great measure due to the non-observance of the weekly half-holiday, owing to the approach of the holidays. With respect to the regatta, however, it may be stated that the sport proved of a highly interesting and enjoyable character. It is pleasing to hear visitors from Melbourne and other places speak in glowing terms of the enterprising and go-ahead disposition of Ballarat aquatic men. Yesterday a gentleman well-known in Victorian yachting circles, was heard to say that the Ballarat Yacht Club was the best of its kind in the colony, and its position was due to the perseverance, determination, and enterprise of the members. The matches of the Ballarat Yacht Club undoubtedly form one of the leading attractions to visitors in Ballarat, and in its absence Lake Wendouree would, indeed, be almost comparatively unknown to those who periodically spend a short time in the city. But, when one glances at the list of officers and committee of the club, there need be little wonder at the excellent position which it occupies in the aquatic world of Victoria. In the roll are to be seen the names of Ballarat's most prominent citizens, including the professional man, the commercial man, and the mining speculator. The efforts of the committee are ably seconded by their energetic and courteous secretary, Mr William Downie, a gentleman who devotes all his spare time to furthering the interests of his club. Yesterday's programme was not a long one, but nevertheless each event was highly interesting and exciting. On the ground during the day we noticed the Mayor of the City (Mr J. Hickman, J.P.), the Hon. Philip Russell, M.L.C., and several city councillors. Prout's brass band discoursed inspiriting music on View Point until after 5 o'clock. The water in the lake was not smooth, but still, with the fairly strong north westerly wind, a better day for boat sailing purposes could not be desired. That old and favourite aquatic gentleman, Mr H. R. Caselli, J.P., as usual, made an excellent and impartial judge, while Mr '''Bechervaise''', in his capacity of starter, gave the utmost satisfaction. Those members of the committee present were conspicuous for their courtesy to visitors, as well as for their anxiety to make the regatta a success. For the nonce, Private Paterson, of the Ballarat Rangers, acted as an artilleryman. He at regular intervals, at the starts and finishes, fired a small piece of artillery, and carried out his duties in a satisfactory manner. Ample provision was made for members and others. The steamer Wendouree was used by the judge, the members of committee, the members of the press, and lady friends. The steamer Ballarat was chartered by the club for members and lady friends. Liberal prizes were given in each event. <ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article201620328 |title=THE BALLARAT TAGHT CLUB REGATTA. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXVIII, |issue=305 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=22 December 1883 |accessdate=29 November 2020 |page=4 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> ====1884==== <!-- <blockquote><ref></ref></blockquote> --> =====1884 01===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Typical housekeeping for Bechervaise <blockquote>'''Mail Notice.''' MAILS are made up in the POST-OFFICE BALLARAT, for the undermentioned place and their suboffices at the times given below. . . . . The various sections of telegraph lines included in the Ballarat district are as follow:— Extending from Ballarat to Buninyong, Rokewood, Streatham, Clunes, Beaufort, Meredith, Bacchus Marsh, Mount Blackwood, and Daylesford. All telegraph offices in Victoria are open for transaction of business at ordinary rates — viz., ten words or under, 1s, and every additional word 1d — between the hours of 8.30 a.m. and 8 p.m. (Sundays excepted). The night and Sunday arrangements, together with the rates pertaining thereto, with all other information on telegraph matters, are published in the "Monthly Postal and Telegraph Guide." Immediate notice of any breakage of lines or defects likely to cause an interruption to the circuit, conveyed to the Postmaster, Ballarat, will greatly facilitate the prompt restoration of communication and transaction of business. '''WM. PHILIP BECHERVAISE''', Postmaster.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article201621091 |title=Advertising |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXIX, |issue=7 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=9 January 1884 |accessdate=29 November 2020 |page=4 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise chairs the committee for the Ballarat Regatta <blockquote>'''BALLARAT REGATTA.''' A meeting of the regatta committee was held at Lester's hotel, on Tuesday evening; Mr '''Bechervaise''' in the chair. It is purposed to hold the regatta on the 7th March next. Fair progress in all the preliminaries was re-ported. Mayor Hickman was present and stated he would be happy to do all in his power both as mayor and as a private citizen to further the cause; also at any time to assist in anything that would tend to add to the at-tractiveness of the lake.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article201621877 |title=BALLARAT REGATTA. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXIX, |issue=20 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=24 January 1884 |accessdate=29 November 2020 |page=3 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1884 02===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Bechervaise elected umpire for the Ballarat Regatta <blockquote>'''BALLARAT REGATTA.''' A meeting of the regatta committee was held at Lester's hotel, on Tuesday night; Mr '''Bechervaise''' presided. Mayor Hickman and Messrs Garbutt, Claxton, and Caselli were elected as judges; Mr '''Bechervaise''' was appointed umpire. The regatta will be held under the patronage of the following gentlemen:— Hon. Phillip Russell, Hon. Francis Ormond, Hon. Henry Cuthbert, Hon. Major W. C. Smith, Mr G. Fincham, Mr. F. M. Claxton, Mr J. Hickman, Mr John Ferguson, Mr J. N. Wilson, Mr D. Brophy, Mr Thos. Bath, Mr C. Salter, Mr B. Hepburn, and Mr J. Shiels.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article202584277 |title=BALLARAT REGATTA. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXIX, |issue=50 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=28 February 1884 |accessdate=1 December 2020 |page=3 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1884 03===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Bechervaise makes every effort to locate a missing letter containing £5 cash <blockquote>Three weeks ago a resident of Ballarat (says the Courier) posted a letter containing a £5 note at the Ballarat Post Office, to a firm in Melbourne. Very imprudently, he did not register the letter, though this was because it was too late to do so, and the sender did not care to wait till next day. The letter and its contents never reached their destination. Mr. '''Bechervaise''' was at once communicated with. We learn that, after careful enquiry in every direction, no trace whatever of the missing letter can be found by the Post Office authorities.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article201530254 |title=Advertising |newspaper=[[Avoca Mail]] |issue=1,673 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=25 March 1884 |accessdate=1 December 2020 |page=3 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1884 04===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Bechervaise attends a meeting to establish a memorial to the Eureka Stockade, notes he was a digger on the periphery of the events, appointed to the memorial committee <blockquote>'''PROPOSED MEMORIAL AT THE EUREKA STOCKADE.''' A meeting, called by advertisement, was held at Craig's hotel last evening, to devise means to work the site of the Eureka Stockade in token of an historic event in connection with Ballarat and the colony generally. Cr Robert Lewis, of Ballarat City, was voted to the chair, and there were present Crs Morrison, Salter, Williams, Gregory, Walker, Roff, and Ellsworth, and Messrs Hy. Josephs, '''Bechervaise''', Dyte, Spain, Persse, Sayers, Osborne, Wattis, Laidlaw, Christie, Wightwick, Hayes, Hall, W. Perry, and Hannington. The chairman explained the object of the meeting, and said that some steps ought to be taken to mark the spot, as the old pioneers were gradually passing away. The matter should have been attended to years ago, and the speaker hoped that the present movement would not be an abortive one. Cr. Morrison then apologised for the absence of the Mayor of the City, for Mr J. Noble Wilson the chairman of the Water Commission, and for Mr John Robson. As convener of the meeting, Cr. Morrison said that he had been obliged to give short notice to attend, as there had been especial reasons. Some time ago, when the Ministry of the day had been taken out to the water reserves, they had returned by the Eureka Stockade, and the absence of any memorial was strongly noticed. On another, occasion Mr Berry had promised to do what he could in placing a memorial on the place, and the speaker believed that Mr Bent had made the same promise. The speaker had a proposal to make which he thought would chime in with the views of everyone. They should get some of the condemned guns (68 pounders) lying about Melbourne, some fathoms of the chain cable, and as many tons of old iron as they could to do the work. Mr Service, who had been in Ballarat a few days ago, promised that they should get all they required if immediate application were made, but unless prompt measures were taken the stuff would be sold during the week. His proposal was, that they should get a granite or stone obelisk; that the cannon should be placed at the four angles of the reserve, and that railings could be put up manufactured of the old iron, which doubtless the ironfounders would willingly cast for the purpose. He had been told that for the sum of £300 they could put up a handsome stone monument on a heavy base. As it was a national matter, doubtless if they could raise £150 the Government would not object to pay £150 towards the object. It was a matter which should be pressed upon the members for the district, in order that their co-operation should be gained. Cr Roff advocated the raising of a memorial as the events of the Eureka Stockade were historic in the annals of the colony, and said that visitors would naturally enquire as to the history of Ballarat. As the events would become more widely known Ballarat would be sure to increase in interest. For that reason the pioneers as well as all persons in the town should take part and endeavour to carry out Mr Morrison's proposal. Some time ago there had been a movement on foot when it was proposed to erect a monolith, and Mr Caselli, the architect, had submitted several plans, which were laid upon the table, but, unfortunately, the attempt to raise a memorial proved abortive. The Eureka Stockade had given the colony a constitution second to none on the face of the globe, in which there were all the rights and liberties any man had a right to enjoy, and for that reason a memorial should be erected in memory of the diggers, who fell in fighting for constitutional rights. The speaker said that he had been associated with the eventful time, as he had George Black, for whose apprehension £500 was offered, in hiding. One of his (the speaker’s) young shopmen was in the stir, and the speaker gave him £5 to clear out to Melbourne. This, young man had rushed to him and said, "Oh God, they’re all slaughtered; give me some money, I'm off to Melbourne." The speaker then started to the place and saw the dead bodies. The "Gingerbeer man" was lying on the ground, his chest heaving violently. The speaker got assistance and tried to carry the man to a tent. The man's cap fell off and a great gash through his forehead was disclosed. The speaker, in concluding his remarks urged them to support Cr Morrison's proposal. Mr C. Dyte moved "That Cr Morrison be appointed secretary pro tem." The motion was carried. Mr Dyte then moved "That immediate application be made to the Government for the necessary material, towards building the monument. Mr Thomas Marks said that he had guided Peter Lalor to town in February, 1855, after the riots, and as an old moulder and furnace-man he would have great pleasure to melt all the metal required. As a member of the Old Identities' Association, he thought the old identities would do all they possibly could towards the erection of a memorial. Cr Salter, in seconding the resolution, hoped that the effort would have a successful issue, and if they put up a monument now, perhaps their "youngsters" would in the future raise an even more substantial memorial. The resolution was unanimously carried. Mr Marks said that steps ought to be taken to have the flags and pikes restored to Ballarat. Nothing came of the suggestion. Mr '''Bechervaise''' said that although he had not been present at the Stockade, he had been bunted by the troopers while digging. He proposed that they should at once form a committee, appoint a treasurer, and by that means get some money. He thought that if £150 were raised they would have no difficulty in getting £150 from the Government. He though a 1s subscription should be initiated, as many of the old identities would like to have "a finger in the pie." Upon Mr '''Bechervaise's''' suggestion a committee was formed, consisting of the Mayors of the City and Town, and Messrs Salter, Lewis, Hoff, Williams, '''Bechervaise''', Spain, Josephs, Wilson, Dyte, and Hall. Mr Dyte said that it seemed to him the movement was a national affair, in which Ballarat was directly concerned. He advocated that the City and Town Councils should bear their share, as by that means every ratepayer would subscribe. As it was a general rule that those who subscribe were called upon to subscribe to everything, he thought the suggestion was a good one. Cr Ellsworth thought that the best possible way for the movement to be initiated was for all in the room to subscribe at once, and as far as he was personally concerned he would give £1 towards the object. In his opinion the Stockade had hastened the period of constitutional liberty by many years, and at present they enjoyed one of the best constitutions to be found any where. No doubt they enjoyed as much freedom and security for life and property, and therefore they ought to be extremely grateful to the men for the stand they took upon the occasion. Whatever the people did, it would be but a poor memento of the heroism displayed by the men under the circumstances they were placed in. The speaker moved that a subscription-list be now opened. Mr Hall, as an old resident since January 1853, seeing everything that occurred up to the end of the Stockade, when the prisoners were tried and acquitted, he knew very well that the liberty and freedom of those men were felt in the people's heart and rejoiced in. He had felt glad that the present meeting had been called, and had felt it his duty to attend. He would readily give as far as he was able to any movement or memorial for the diggers. He was one of the party, and remembered the time when Johnson was unhorsed at the rear of Mr William Lakeland’s property in those days. The place where Johnson was unhorsed was situated now at the back of Mr Isaac Jonas’s property in Bridge street. When Johnson was unhorsed, a determined spirit came over the diggers. The speaker once was come upon by a person named "Mr Shylock," who demanded £5 because the speaker had not a license. The license had expired two days before, and he had not been able to get another in time. He in company with others — some 100 — appeared at the camp next day, were told that they were fined £5 each, and were let go to get new licenses. From that time the diggers became determined as they had not come 16,000 miles to be trodden down. He thought that the subscription should not be confined to Ballarat, but that they should extend their operations to other places, in order to let all the old identities subscribe. Cr Williams thought that a one shilling subscription should be initiated in order to make the movement as general as possible, and he thought the young people especially would be glad to subscribe. A general subscription would cause everyone to take more interest in the matter. Mr '''Bechervaise''' proposed as an amendment upon Cr Ellsworth's motion, "That all matters of detail, regarding subscriptions, &c., be left to the committee." O. Salter seconded the amendment. His view was that they should receive subscriptions from 1s to £1, giving all classes a chance to contribute. Cr Ellsworth's notice was withdrawn, and the amendment, having become the motion, was carried. Mr Marks apologised for the absence of the president (Mr Graham) of the Old Identities' Association; and Mr Osborne, the secretary of that body, said that its members would contribute towards the memorial. On the motion of Mr Wattis, Cr Morrison was appointed hon. treasurer. A suggestion of Cr Morrison, that a mass meeting should be held, at which Mr John Robson could deliver an oration upon the Stockade, was left with the committee to deal with. On the motion of Cr Williams, a hearty vote of thanks was accorded Messrs Morrison and J. Noble Wilson for the steps they had taken in bringing the question of a memorial at the Eureka Stockade under the notice of the Premier. A vote of thanks to the chairman terminated the proceedings. It was announced by the hon. treasurer that the sum of £20 had been subscribed in the room. The committee then met to discuss matters of detail.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article202586938 |title=PROPOSED MEMORIAL AT THE EUREKA STOCKADE. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXIX, |issue=91 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=17 April 1884 |accessdate=29 October 2020 |page=4 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise appointed a collector of monies for the Eureka Stockade Memorial Fund <blockquote>'''A STOCKADE MEMORIAL.'''— Mr '''W. P. BECHERVAISE''' and Mr E. W. SPAIN are appointed Collectors for Ballarat West. Mr HENRY JOSEPHS and Mr THEO. WILLIAMS are appointed Collectors for Ballarat East. A. T. MORRISON, Hon. Secretary. <ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article202586983 |title=Advertising |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXIX, |issue=92 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=18 April 1884 |accessdate=1 December 2020 |page=3 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise attends a meeting of the Eureka Stockade Memorial committee <blockquote>'''NEWS AND NOTES.''' . . . The Eureka Stockade Memorial committee met at the hon. secretary's office on Thursday evening. Present — Messrs R. Lewis (chairman), Salter, Roff, Josephs, Williams, Hall, Dyte, '''Béchervaise''', and Spain. Letters were read from the Premier and the Minister of Defence, respecting the cannon and other material required. The hon. secretary reported that 250 circulars and 200 collecting lists had been issued, and collections, amounting to £29 7s received and deposited in the City of Melbourne Bank. The matter of a public mass meeting in the Alfred Hall, and also the compilation of a memoir of the Stockade was held over. The committee are anxious that all subscriptions should be promptly handed in, so that they may be in a position to order the granite monolith before the winter sets in.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article202587434 |title=NEWS AND NOTES. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXIX, |issue=99 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=26 April 1884 |accessdate=29 October 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1884 05===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Meeting to be called of old Eureka Stockade pioneers <blockquote>'''NEWS AND NOTES.''' . . . We learn that the Stockade Memorial Committee intend shortly to call a meeting of Old Pioneers to give their personal experiences in matters relating to the Stockade. It is expected that a large amount of accurate information of an interesting nature will be forthcoming. The suggestion is an excellent one, and can scarcely fail to be attended with a very satisfactory result.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article202588861 |title=NEWS AND NOTES. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXIX, |issue=120 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=21 May 1884 |accessdate=1 December 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Meeting of the Eureka Stockade Memorial Committee, Bechervaise certainly in attendance <blockquote>'''THE EUREKA STOCKADE MEMORIAL.''' The Eureka Stockade Memorial Committee met last evening at the office Mr A. T. Morrison, Lydiard street. Mr Harry Josephs occupied the chair. Subscriptions amounting to £19 5s 6d were paid in. A poetic contribution about the stockade was received from Mr J. W. Mills, Chancery Lane, and referred to a sub committee appointed to compile all literary matter referring to the eventful period of '54. Communications with donations were received from the following:— New Kohinoor, Buninyong Estate, North Australasian, Band and Albion Consols, Bungareeshire, and from the Allandale Natives Association. Correspondence from the Defence Department regarding guns, carriages and mountings; also from the Railway Department, regarding the transit of same, was received and acknowledged. A letter from the City Council of Sandhurst, sympathising with the movement, was also received. It was decided that designs be invited for the proposed memorial, the same to be exhibited at the forthcoming Fine Arts Exhibition. It was also resolved that a public meeting of old pioneers be convened, at which the varied personal experiences of the old stockade days could be given. After some routine business, the meeting closed with a vote of thanks to the chairman.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article202588891 |title=THE EUREKA STOCKADE MEMORIAL. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXIX, |issue=120 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=21 May 1884 |accessdate=1 December 2020 |page=4 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Star journalist voices strong, if verbose, support for the Eureka Stockade Memorial project <blockquote>The members of the Eureka Memorial Stockade Committee are meeting with a fair amount of success in the praiseworthy business which they have in hand. Throughout the district there appears to be a desire to render assistance to the long-delayed movement, and this is especially noticeable among the old pioneers who were on the Eureka or adjoining goldfields in the memorable year 1854. The site upon which stood the historical Stockade has been allowed to go too long unhonoured; but it is to be hoped, now that the matter has been taken up with vigour by several leading citizens, that a substantial and lasting memorial will be erected as a reminder of the struggle which the early diggers of Ballarat made for liberty and legitimate freedom of action. There is one thing particularly pleasing about the movement which is now on foot relative to the Eureka memorial, and that is that a good many of the leading mining companies of the Ballarat and Creswick districts are coming forward with support, and it must also be gratifying to find an important and influential body like the Sandhurst City Council sympathising with the Eureka Stockade Memorial Committee. There are residing in Sandhurst many persons who were in Ballarat during the stirring times of long ago, and there are also scattered, it may be said, all over the world people who "dug in Ballarat," as some old pioneers put it, about the year 1854. It has been said that no matter what part of the world one goes to, he is sure to find a native of Great Britain or Ireland, and it may, in a measure, be stated that an old Ballarat digger is to be met with in every country where the English language is spoken. By the report of the last meeting of the Eureka Stockade Memorial Committee we notice that it has been resolved to convene a public meeting of pioneers, at which the varied personal experiences of the old Stockade days could be given. The decision is an excellent one, and the gentleman who made the suggestion has a happy knack for business. By all means let a mass meeting of old identities be called, and if the Alfred Hall will not afford the necessary accommodation for the "men of historic time," recourse must be had to an open air assemblage, in order to speak of what took place in days gone by. The Eureka riots now form a subject of history, and it would be well to have the historical records of the troubled period supplemented, though at this late period, 30 years afterwards, by explanations and opinions of some of the actors of 1854. We have said that many of the old diggers are still alive and well, and that they are scattered broadcast. Yes, we have met in various parts of Australia and New Zealand men who wrought in Ballarat when nothing was to be seen in the shape of dwellings but calico tents and perhaps a wooden shanty here and there. We have heard these old Ballaratites descant upon the Government tyranny prior to the Eureka riots, and one and all, though truly loyal to the Crown, were of opinion that the authorities of the time were responsible for the open rebellion which took place among the diggers. Would it not be well to advertise the proposed public meeting of old Ballarat pioneers in the principal papers of Victoria, and invite the presence of as many as possible of those who are now living away from this district? Would it not be a good plan to endeavour to induce the humane and popular Government of the present day to grant free or cheap railway passes to all such Ballarat pioneers, now in Victoria, who may present orders for passes from the secretary to the Memorial Committee? This Eureka Stockade public meeting and subsequent Memorial demonstration should not be allowed to pass by like a flash in the pan. If properly carried out, and we have no reason to think otherwise, it will prove one of the biggest events ever witnessed in Australia. Therefore, no time should be lost to fully mature the movement, and place on record for the perusal of the rising generation the causes which led up to the celebrated Eureka Stockade. With respect to the public meeting, we trust that the proper persons, men who really know how things stood at the period of the riots, will come to the front and place the facts fairly before the public. It is a duty that a good many pioneers owe the yet uninformed sections of society upon this point, particularly as there are to be found not a few persons who bitterly condemn the action of those who resisted the rule of the Government of the day. As there are persons, then, who, through ignorance, perhaps, entertain such opinions anent the Eureka riots, the question arises, "Who is right?"— the greater portion of the public, who sympathise with the present movement, or the few who denounce the noble fellows who fell in a just cause? Liberty has never been won by silence, and grinning and bearing oppression. The man who, while in possession of health of body and mind, submits to tyranny, would be anything but a credit to his race, and the bowing to the rule of the tyrant would be a display of cowardice, the name of which is detested by persons of spirit and manliness. The diggers of '54 fought for liberty, and liberty succeeded their efforts. The liberty that was gained on the Eureka 30 years ago has since spread, and in the fight each man, in a manner, no doubt, asked, in the words of Patrick Henry, "Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery! Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but, as for me, give me liberty or death." Many, indeed, died on the Eureka for liberty, and their bones are now resting together in the grave in the Old Cemetery. We are not surprised to find that there are ordinarily sensible and far-seeing men who denounce, sometimes in publichouse bars, the diggers of the Eureka as rebels. Even representatives at the council table raise their voice against the action of the diggers. We know that in all rebellious movements in every nation there is a variety of feeling. For instance, at the American Declaration of Independence many in the United States were not only secretly but openly hostile to the course of the proceedings in relation to the movement of that time. The French Revolution was denounced by such a master statesman as Edmund Burke, and even to this day many who owe to that event much of the freedom they enjoy speak of it with hatred. It would be well, perhaps, for the opponents of the proposed Eureka Stockade Memorial movement to call a counter-meeting in order to put forward arguments, which, from the opponents' point of view will go to show that the rioters were in the wrong. The residents of this district who do not agree with the action which the diggers pursued, in throwing up a stockade and declaring war against tyrannical orders, should, as a matter of justice to the flunkeys who put the tyrannical rule of the Government of 1854 in force, let the rising generation and new comers in the colony know the case from a sympathising direction. The oppositionists would have their utterances taken down by the reporters, and the public would then have both sides of the question. Many of the clearest-headed men amongst us, who arrived in the colony after the Eureka riots, and have been depending for information on supposition from one and another, freely admit that they are unable to satisfy themselves as to whether the rebellion should have gone beyond moral force. We have heard many a new arrival in the colony say, when speaking of the Eureka riots, "I am told that the diggers were in the wrong; they acted rather hastily in opposing the Government." Such nonsensical remarks will not be heard when the story of the Eureka is fully told at the proposed public meeting, and published in the press of the colony. There is already in existence a "History of Ballarat" by an able journalist of long standing, but the sad tale of 1854 requires to be again sent forth among the people of the present day. As we have said, the upholders of the rule of the Government of 1854 can have their meeting, and the sooner the better. Then, before the memorial is placed in position the newcomers and the rising generation would be in possession of the case of the diggers' sympathisers as well as the arguments put forth by the opponents of the movement now being so successfully carried on towards maturity. Should the opponents have a meeting, no efforts should be spared to get those of the Eureka digger-hunters who are yet alive, and some of them doing well, to address the assemblage on the reasons they had for doing the dirty work. But we are afraid the opponents would not respond warmly to the invitation to hold a meeting. Let the Eureka Stockade Memorial Committee take heart in their exertions. They have a noble cause in hand, and they have the sympathy and support of a noble, liberty-loving people. "Municipal Reform," an esteemed and able correspondent, in yesterday's Star suggested that steps should be taken for the erection of a monument after the style of the Burke and Wills, in Collins street, Melbourne, with the Hon. Peter Lalor as the main figure, surrounded by Captain Ross, Messrs Thonean, Raffaelo, and other subordinates — the whole with the view to the further expansion of our municipal freedom. This is a capital idea, and one thoroughly in keeping with the practical, progressive nature of the old and influential pioneer "Municipal Freedom," who, with other pioneers, is known throughout the length and breadth of this wide district. Now that we are about to have a celebration in memory of the men who, on a Sunday morning in 1854, fell in the cause of liberty at the Eureka, let us try if it is not possible to carry out the suggestion of our correspondent. We have a Burke and Wills monument, to the memory of the celebrated explorers who perished at Cooper's Creek, and there is also to be seen in the main thoroughfare of Ballarat a monument to the memory of Galloway, the founder of the eight hours' movement in Victoria. To crown all, the public should come forward and erect on a high part of Sturt street a monument such as that mentioned by "Municipal Freedom." If the majority of the people of this district gave only a shilling per head, it would put up something substantial, which would be an ornament to the city, as well as a tribute to the noble dead. This need not interfere with the raising of the memorial on the Eureka diggings. In conclusion, we must say that, from all we have heard, we are strongly of the belief that the official oppression at the time of the Eureka riots was maddening and intolerable, and that it produced its natural consequences.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article202588981 |title=No title |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXIX, |issue=122 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=23 May 1884 |accessdate=1 December 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise leads a flotilla across Lake Wendouree as part of the ceremonies for presentation of Stoddart statues <blockquote>'''PRESENTATION OF STATUES TO THE CITIZENS OF BALLARAT.''' Queen's Birthday (Saturday) witnessed the formal presentation of 12 handsome statues of Carrara marble by Mr Thomas Stoddart, who has lately returned from a trip to Europe, to the mayor and councillors of the City of Ballarat in trust for the citizens. The figures, representing Spring, Summer, Autumn, Winter, Hercules, Mercury, Hebe, Leda, Pomona, Flora, Bacchante, and Flora Farnese, were executed in Italy, expressly to the order of Mr. Stoddart, who, designing to make Ballarat his future home, thus endeavoured to further beautify a portion of it, already beautified by the hand of nature and art. Accordingly the statues were brought out from Italy, and the City Council, a few months ago, made preparations to place them in advantageous positions, calculated to display the symmetrical outlines of the figures. The best judgment has been shown by the committee in selecting the sites. The statues greatly enhance the attractions of the gardens, and Mr Stoddart is deserving of all praise for the munificent gift of such a noble collection to this, the "City of Gardens." The surroundings of the statues, as far as the flowers and shrubs are concerned, enhance the general effect, but a striking difference is made in some parts, notably where the eyes of the visitors are turned on the statue and next on a dilapidated house in which the eagles are confined. Doubtless, when the City Council wakes up to these defects in the general arrangement, they will be remedied for all time. As the visitors strolled through the gar-dens on Saturday universal encomiums were passed on the various figures. Criticism was remarkable for its absence, but the comparisons that prevailed were in some instances highly amusing. Upon this subject we cannot forbear to quote an ingenious comparison drawn by an old lady, who had pondered deeply for a few seconds upon the proportions of "Winter," represented by the sculptured figure of a old man shivering in his mantle. The elderly lady remarked, "That's not much unlike Mr Stoddart himself." A few intimate acquaintances of Mr Stoddart had a quiet grin over the striking comparison, and even the living subject indulged in hearty laughter. Upon the Sicilian marble pedestals of the statues the inscription "Presented by Thomas Stoddart, 1884," is cut in each. The figures Spring, Summer, Autumn, Winter, Hercules, and Mercury have been executed by Bertezzi; Hebe, Leda, and Pomona, by B. Raggi; Flora by G. Marchetti; Bacchante and Flora Farnese by Giovanni Udoy. Those visitors who have even a slight acquaintance with the myths and legends of the ancients will doubtless feel double interest, and find their knowledge intensified by viewing some of the statues, while those who have not dipped into classical lore will yet find interesting matter in contemplating the beautiful objects. The statuary presented by Mr Stoddart does not alone adorn the gardens, but possesses educational influence which is certain to animate the hearts of youthful visitors. However, we must hark back to the description of the ceremonials attending the presentation, and therefore must transport our readers to the other side of the lake at View Point. The steamer Ballarat was lying at the Point, waiting for the guests of the City Council, and Gill's steamer, engaged by the B.Y.C., likewise waited for passengers. At or about half-past 2 o'clock Mr '''Bechervaise''', the marshal of the flotilla, got the line in order, the steamers beforementioned being in the van, with the B.Y.C. miniature fleet in the centre, and several crews from the City Rowing Club in the rear. Then the procession skirted the south shore, and at funeral pace described a half-moon to the gardens, were about 1000 spectators were drawn up on the steamboat landing to witness the disembarkation of the lucky ladies and gentlemen, who had been treated to a snail-pace passage across the stormy waters of our own Lake Wendouree. The gathering ground for the multitude was around a circular enclosure, into which the privileged few were admitted. Among those present were Messrs W. C. Smith, H. Bell, and G. R. Fincham, M's.L.A.; the mayor of the City (Mr John Hickman), Crs Claxton, Lewis, Salter, Thompson, McDonald, Little, and Morrison, of Ballarat City; and Cr Leckie, a councillor, both for Buninyongshire and Sebastopol. A large number of representative people also were:in attendance.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article202589111 |title=PRESENTATION OF STATUES TO THE CITIZENS OF BAL LARAT. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXIX, |issue=124 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=26 May 1884 |accessdate=1 December 2020 |page=3 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Disagreement between Bechervaise and Whitehead is formally aired <blockquote>'''NEWS AND NOTES.''' . . . The disagreement between Mr '''Bechervaise''', postmaster at Ballarat West, and Mr John Whitehead, a responsible officer, was partly ventilated yesterday. The latter reported the postmaster, and yesterday Mr. George Smibert, inspector of post and telegraph offices, took a good deal of evidence. This will be duly considered by the heads of the postal department, and if the case is sufficiently important the matter will be referred to a board. <ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article202589407 |title=NEWS AND NOTES. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXIX, |issue=130 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=31 May 1884 |accessdate=1 December 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Ceremony for the laying of foundation stone of new Ballarat East post office <blockquote>'''NEWS AND NOTES.''' . . . The laying of the foundation-stone of the new Post and Telegraph Offices, Ballarat East, the tender for which was accepted on Thurs-day, will be celebrated by a public ceremony on the 20th June next. The matter of arranging for this, it will be remembered, was left in the hands of the mayor at the last meeting of the council. By resolution of the council, the Ministry, or such members as can attend, will be invited to be present at the ceremony. It is probable that the proceedings will include a banquet in the afternoon, to be followed by a ball in the evening.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article202589407 |title=NEWS AND NOTES. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXIX, |issue=130 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=31 May 1884 |accessdate=1 December 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise attends meeting of Eureka Stockade Memorial Committee <blockquote>'''NEWS AND NOTES.''' . . . A meeting of the Eureka Stockade Memorial Committee was held at the office of the hon. secretary on Friday evening, Mr Henry Josephs in the chair. Correspondence was read from the hon. the Premier, stating that four 64lb guns and carriage would be forwarded to Ballarat in a few days; also, from the Railway Department, in reference to freight of guns. Subscriptions from the employes of the Gas Company, Sulisman Parba and Band and Barton companies, also collections made by Messrs Josephs, '''Bechervaise''', Hall, and Spain were paid in.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article202589407 |title=NEWS AND NOTES. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXIX, |issue=130 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=31 May 1884 |accessdate=1 December 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1884 06===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> The cause of the Whitehead/Bechervaise dispute is identified <blockquote>'''BALLARAT, May 31.''' Mr. George Smibert, Inspector of Post and Telegraphic Offices, conducted an enquiry on Friday, into certain charges preferred by Mr John Whitehead, an officer of the Ballarat West Post Office, against Mr '''Bechervaise''', the postmaster. It is alleged that the latter ridiculed Mr. Whitehead's notions concerning the Blue Ribbon movement, and ordered the latter to remove the blue ribbon off his coat during office hours. Mr Smibert took a great deal of evidence in order to deter-mine whether or not the matter is sufficiently important to go before a board.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article9023307 |title=Intercolonial Telegrams, |newspaper=[[w:The Mercury (Hobart)|The Mercury]] |volume=XLIV, |issue=4,460 |location=Tasmania, Australia |date=4 June 1884 |accessdate=1 December 2020 |page=3 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Eureka Stockade Memorial Committee takes their case to council <blockquote>'''TOWN COUNCIL.''' Friday 6th June. Present — His worship the mayor (Cr Ferguson) and Crs Williams, Roff, Russell, Ellsworth, Walker, Gregory, and Scott. . . . Eureka Stockade Memorial.— Cr Williams introduced a deputation from the Eureka Stockade Memorial Committee, consisting of Messrs R. Lewis, '''W. P. Bechervaise''', A. T. Morrison, H. Joseph, C. Dyte, and Hall. Mr Morrison explained to the council the steps which had been taken by the memorial committee, and said they would like to know if what they had done had met with the approval of the council. They also wished to ask the council to assist them in fencing in the ground. He referred to the fact that sometime ago a grant had been promised by the Government to the council for the improvement, and the committee now asked the council to make application to obtain the grant to fence and plant the site. The committee were not politically influenced, and only hoped to erect on that historical spot a monument that would be credit to the City and Town and the surrounding district. Messrs Lewis, '''Bechervaise''', and Dyte also spoke, stating that the committee had not come before the council sooner, not from any want of discourtesy, but in order that the arrangements might be more matured. The deputation thanked the council and withdrew. On the motion of Cr Scott it was decided — "That this council agree with the request made by the deputation as to the reserve and the object they have in view, and that the mayor act on behalf of the council in the matter." <ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article202589825 |title=TOWN COUNIL. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXIX, |issue=136 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=7 June 1884 |accessdate=1 December 2020 |page=4 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> The Bechervaise / Whitehead dispute considered trivial <blockquote>'''NEWS AND NOTES.''' . . . The dispute between the postmaster at Ballarat West, and Mr John Whitehead turns out to be of a trivial character, as reported to the department heads by Mr Smibert, the inspector of post and telegraph offices. The Postmaster-General, however, has resolved to transfer Mr Whitehead to Melbourne at that officer's own request.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article202589933 |title=NEWS AND NOTES. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXIX, |issue=138 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=10 June 1884 |accessdate=1 December 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> As previous, alternate detail <blockquote>'''MELBOURNE.''' Monday Evening. (FROM OUR OWN CORRESPONDENT.) . . . The Postmaster-General has received the report of Mr George Smibert, the Inspector of Post and Telegraph Offices, who visited Ballarat a few days ago for the purpose of enquiring into the disagreement between Mr Bechervaise, the Ballarat West Postmaster, and Mr John Whitehead, a responsible officer. Mr Smibert's report shows that both parties were to blame, but any further difficulty in the matter has been avoided, as Mr Whitehead, by his own request, will be transferred to Melbourne. <ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article202589930 |title=MEEBOURNE. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXIX, |issue=138 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=10 June 1884 |accessdate=1 December 2020 |page=4 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Eureka Stockade Memorial Committee to receive the 4 x 64lb guns and carriages <blockquote>'''NEWS AND NOTES.''' At a special meeting of the City Council held yesterday there were present the Mayor, and Crs Morrison, Salter, Thompson, Lewis, McDonald, and Claxton. . . . Mr A. T. Morrison has received a telegram from Major Snee, stating that the four 64 pounder guns and carriages, together with a sling waggon, have been forwarded to Ballarat. The Stockade Memorial Committee meet at the Eastern railway station today, at 3 o'clock, to take delivery of the guns, and thence escort them to the Eastern Town Hall reserve, where they will be temporarily placed prior to removal to the site of the memorial upon the Eureka. There has been a large demand for the Star containing the Eureka Stockade papers already published, and in order to prevent disappointment with regard to securing No. II paper, we notify that it will appear in tomorrow's issue. <ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article202590090 |title=NEWS AND NOTES. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXIX, |issue=141 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=13 June 1884 |accessdate=1 December 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Further progress of Eureka Stockade Memorial Committee <blockquote>'''NEWS AND NOTES.''' The fifth paper on "The Eureka Stockade" will be published in Saturday's Star. In today's issue appears a short but interesting sketch on the same subject from one who evidently had some vary unpleasant experiences of the period in question. . . . The committee of the Eureka Stockade Memorial met on Tuesday evening. Present — Mr H. Josephs (in the chair), Mayor Ferguson, Messrs Salter, Spain, '''Bechervaise''', Wilson, Rolf, Dyte, Hall, and Morrison. Donations were paid in from the employes at the loco. sheds, at E. Rowland's factory, and at Munro's foundry; from the Borough of Buninyong, from the Melbourne and Ballarat Company, and North Maxwell's Company; from Mr Niven; and collections made by Messrs Howard, Josephs, and '''Bechervaise'''. A considerable amount of correspondence was dealt with; and accounts amounting to £11 16s 9d were passed for payment. Five designs for the memorial were submitted. After some discussion, the committee postponed coming to a final decision until next meeting. It was resolved that the inscription upon the memorial be "Eureka Stockade, Sunday Morning, December 3rd, 1854." A hearty vote of thanks was passed to the Town Council of Ballarat East for the sympathy and practical support accorded. It was resolved that the collectors be urged to use their best endeavours and that all collecting lists be handed in to the hon. treasurer by Monday, 14th proximo, so that the committee would be in a position to judge of the funds available for commencing building operations. Votes of thanks were passed to Mr Hugh Gray and Mr George Wicks for contribution of stockade relics.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article202590403 |title=NEWS AND NOTES. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXIX, |issue=146 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=19 June 1884 |accessdate=1 December 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Ceremony for laying of foundation stone for new Post and Telegraph office for Ballarat East <blockquote>'''THE NEW POST AND TELEGRAPH OFFICES, BALLARAT EAST.''' LAYING THE FOUNDATION STONE. Although a town of some 16,000 inhabitants, spread over an extensive area, Ballarat East has until lately possessed no offices of her own for the transaction of postal and telegraph business, an inconvenience which has been considerably felt by the Eastern residents. Previous to 1879 a receiving-box in the Main road was the accommodation, but in the latter year the building in Victoria street, the present post office, was leased from Mr James Long for a period of five years, and has since the expiration of the lease been held at a yearly rental. The difficulties that arose in the meantime as to a site for a new building to be erected by the Government finally resulted in the Humffray street and Main road site being chosen by a ballot of the ratepayers. Further difficulties arose, and although efforts were made to have the building gone on with, its erection was unaccountably delayed. At last the contract for the erection of the retaining wall, at a cost of some hundred pounds, was let by the present Government, and, on its completion, tenders were called for the erection of the main building. Mr Daniel Brown, of Ballarat, was the successful tenderer at the figure of £3050. The building will be a two-storey brick structure, with porticos somewhat similar to that at the city edifice. It will contain a large room for letters, and accommodation for telegraphic and money order business, with extra rooms for the residence of the postmaster, and when completed will form a handsome addition to the architecture of the Town. This being the first public building erected in Ballarat East, it was decided by the Town Council to celebrate the laying of the foundation stone in a worthy manner. . . .<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article202590562 |title=THE NEW POST AND TELE-GRAPH OFFICES, BALLARAT EAST. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXIX, |issue=148 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=21 June 1884 |accessdate=1 December 2020 |page=4 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1884 07===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Further meeting of the Eureka Stockade Memorial committee <blockquote>'''EUREKA STOCKADE MEMORIAL.''' A meeting of the executive committee was held on Tuesday evening; Mr R. Lewis in the chair. Present — Messrs Ferguson, '''Bechervaise''', Josephs, Williams, Roff, Spain, Morrison, Hall, Dyte, and Wilson. Donations were received from the following mining companies: Royal Saxon, Maxwell's, New Britannia, Kong Meng, and Imperial; also; Australian Natives' Association, Ballarat, Creswick, and Stawell branches; Buninyong Miners' Association, St. John's Church Improvement Society, Tinsmiths' Society, Typographical Society; from Messrs Wanliss, Wilson, Serjeant, McGovern, McDonald, Salter, Oddie, Russell, Glenn, Lieutenant-Colonel Smith, Hickman, Ferguson, Hill, Fincham, and others. Poetic contributions from J. W. Mills and William Walker, of Ballarat, and William Rankin, of Craigie, were received with thanks. Seven designs for the memorial were submitted; those marked "Piper," "King," and "Pioneer" were highly approved of, and ultimately the design of Mr H. A. King, of Ballarat East, was accepted. It was decided that specifications be prepared, with the view of calling for tenders forthwith. The committee meet on the ground, in company with the Town Council, on Friday, 25th instant, for the purpose of selecting the site, as there appears a conflict of evidence as to the actual position of the Stockade.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article201116015 |title=EUREKA STOCKADE MEMORIAL. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXIX, |issue=169 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=16 July 1884 |accessdate=1 December 2020 |page=3 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise part of the group which assembles at Eureka Street to identify the Stockade location and the location of the proposed memorial <blockquote>'''THE EUREKA STOCKADE MEMORIAL.''' The committee of the Eureka Stockade memorial movement and a number of old pioneers, including a number of those who had fought with the diggers on the memorable occasion, assembled on the site of the struggle yesterday afternoon to mark the best place on which to erect a suitable memorial of the event. There was an attendance of fully 200 persons, and many ladies graced the affair by their presence, while the younger generation was also represented in force. Included among those present were Mr John Noble Wilson (chairman of the Water Commission), the mayor of the Town (Mr John Ferguson), Crs Lewis, Morrison, Walker, Gregory, Roff, Williams, Ellsworth, Scott, ex-Crs Turpie and Josephs, Messrs '''Bechervaise''', John and James Robson, Lester, White, C. Dyte, Esmond, Osborne, Hall, Delahunty, Cavanagh, Marks, and several Eureka Stockaders. Messrs James Russell and John James M's.L.A., also attended. The assemblage scattered in different directions over the Eureka, and excited "con-fabs" took place between old identities as to the spots on which the varied scenes transpired in connection with the struggle. Mr C. Dyte pointed out the site of the store he was keeping at the time, and Mr Lester, of Lester's hotel, indicated the precise locality of an hotel he was keeping in those days. Diversity of opinion was great as to the sites of the Albion hotel, the blacksmith's shop, and other notable buildings at the time of the stockade. It was evident that the memory of the struggle and the causes that led up to it were still green in the hearts of many an old pioneer, and nothing seemed to give them greater pleasure than to give information to the young people regarding the occurrence. However, while willing to afford facilities to the young men to acquire knowledge on this head the old pioneers could not agree with each other as to the precise localities of the events themselves. Sometimes it seemed as if another "riot" was inevitable, and that the aid of the police would have to be called in, the military in these days being out of the question. One man could tell the exact boundaries of the Stockade, because he was aware of the spot on which his tent stood, near at hand, it being there his wife presented him with their eldest born son. Mr C. Dyte waa very much interested in showing the spot where the "Jew gingerbeer man" was found beneath the slabs with nine bullets imbedded in his body. Others sought to identify the site of the Stockade by the line of march of the soldiers on their way to attack the insurgent diggers. Others again fixed the locality by the site of the blacksmith's shop, where the smith with brawny arms hammered out iron for the manufacture of pike-heads, the smith himself afterwards receiving the testimony of the soldiers' advance by the deadly contact of a bullet with his forehead. Mr Delahunty, who now resides at Buninyong, also had his say to this effect:— The night before the attack he was standing sentry, and had received orders from Arthur Vern to shoot any man who attempted to pass out of the stockade. He in common with others was told at midnight by a certain captain to "turn in," which he did. Some time in the morning when the firing began he rushed out of his tent, and as it was dark he made for the "Nottingham tree," which had, however, been cut down. He then found Peter Lalor, and assisted the latter to a tent where another wounded man lay. Then Delahunty went back into the stockade and fetched "Father Smith" to attend to Lalor. Mr Delahunty was confident that he could fix the site of the struggle beyond question. Matters seemed to be approaching to a crisis, and as refreshments were not provided ad lib on the ground propositions for sundry adjournments for whisky, lemonade, ginger ale, and hop bitters were mooted, until the chairman of the committee (Cr Lewis) rose to the occasion and suggested that the veteran stockaders should gather in a circle, and one at a time to express his opinion as to the real site. Cr Roff, with one or two henchmen, was indefatigable in gathering in the "devoted few," and by wildly flourishing his umbrella the councillor in question did succeed. The gravity of a council of Red Indian braves and warriors, as described by Fenimore Cooper, did not prevail. An eager, anxious throng, suggestive of a railway deputation, all wished to speak at once, and notwithstanding the gesticulations and "Order, order" of Cr Roff and oily eloquence of the chairman, order could not be maintained. The excited thoughts of other days surged through the brains of Old Pioneers. and each wished to be heard. Above the din Cr Lewis' voice could be distinguished asking "Are we in the boundaries of the stockade?" Cries of "Yes, yes," "No, No," "You're wrong," "Will you be quiet?" "Keep your temper." At this stage a few practical men accompanied Mr Esmond and others to a place which they said was the best and proper site on which to place the monument, viz., in the centre of the ground. Mr John James, M.L.A., then informed the other crowd that he and his wife had walked up to the Eureka that day in order to show definitely the spot. He graphically described the site of his tent in those days, and described how the bullets whistled round the tent to the danger of himself, wife, and children. After the firing had ceased he and his wife went out and saw the stockade inflames, and also the wounded men. The applause which greeted this portion of his speech must have been as "balm of Gilead," to Mr James, and he wanted it as shown by his concluding remarks. The universal opinion was that the stockade was situated to the north of Eureka street, but Mr James' claim that it was on the southern side of the road, was received with strong expressions of dissent and laughter. The circle was by this time completely broken up and Cr Roff's ambition to form "another circle" was once more put to the test. At this stage, however, calls were made that the "few practical men" had fixed upon the site for the memorial and the place was surrounded. The Mayor of the Town then asked for an expression of opinion to the question whether it was the centre of the stockade. A few dissentient voices alone were raised. A peg was then driven into the ground to mark the spot, and three rousing cheers were given by the spectators. The memorial will, therefore, be placed in a commanding position, some 30 or 40 yards away from Eureka street. The design for the monument has been prepared by Mr H. A. King, who is now engaged in preparing the specifications of the work. Tenders will be called in a few days, to be dealt with at a meeting of the committee next week. The sum of £170 has been obtained, mostly in small subscriptions; and the committee are £30 short of the required amount for the erection of the memorial. The angles of the stockade will be mounted with cannon, donated for the purpose by the Service Government.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article201116461 |title=THE EUREKA STOCKADE MEMORIAL. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXI X, |issue=178 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=26 July 1884 |accessdate=29 October 2020 |page=4 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1884 08===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Further meeting of Eureka Stockade Memorial committee <blockquote>'''EUREKA STOCKADE MEMORIAL.''' A meeting of committee was held on Tuesday evening. Present — Messrs H. Josephs (in the chair), Wilson, '''Bechervaise''', Ferguson, Roff, Williams, Hall, and Morrison. A considerable amount of correspondence was read and received. Donations from Messrs Lowenstein, Denovan, Trenworth, Archer, Grubb, Kay, Smith, an old Stockader, Delahunty, and Collins; from Berry Console Company, Bootmakers Union, Golden Stream Company, Mount Rowan Company, Majorca Miners' Association, town of Clunes, Ironfounders' Union, and Miners' Association of Ballarat were received and acknowledged. The tender of Rousell and Sons for the erection of platform and base of the memorial was accepted. Mr F. W. Niven was added to the executive committee. The meeting closed with a vote of thanks to the chairman.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article201117507 |title=EUREKA STOCKADE MEMORIAL. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXIX, |issue=199 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=20 August 1884 |accessdate=1 December 2020 |page=4 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise elected a vice-president of the Ballarat City Rowing Club <blockquote>'''BALLARAT CITY ROWING CLUB.''' The annual meeting was held last night at the Unicorn hotel. Mr P. Cazaly, sen., occupied the chair. There was a good attendance. Annual Report.— The following is the gist of the annual report:— The committee beg to report that after careful and reasonable valuation, your property may be estimated to be worth £810, viz — buildings, £300; boats and material, £510. The liabilities amount to £218 8s 6d, leaving a balance in favour of assets of £594 1s 6d. The art union held during the year resulted in a net profit of £115 9s. After referring to the able services rendered to the club by Mr. Toy (the late secretary), to the purchase of new boats, to scratch four competitions, and to the races won by the representatives of the club, as well as to the kindness of the Melbourne Club in lending their best boat for the senior four race, the report went on to refer to the fact that a contract is now being carried out for the thorough repair, cleaning, painting, and varnishing of the whole of the boats in the shed, which would enable the members to start the season with comfort and satisfaction. Regret was once more expressed at the monstrous and absurd charges made by the Railway Department for the carriage of boats. In spite of every precaution, the cost of sending boats to the Geelong and Melbourne regattas exceeds £20. The report was adopted. An apology for non-attendance was read from Mr Caselli (president), at present in Echuca, and congratulating the club upon its position. Election of Officers.— President, Mr H. R. Caselli; vice-presidents, Messrs '''W. P. Bechervaise''', M. Cahill, C. Salter; treasurer, Mr D. Brophy; captain, Mr P. Cazaly; vice-captain, Mr A. McNaughton; committee, Messrs W. Crampton, J. Fitzgerald, R. Toy, R. A. Strachan, A. Gibbs, J. Barnes, E. Warren, J. Byrne, J. Atkins; hon. secretary, Mr John G. Rennie. Winning Crews.— Hearty votes of thanks were accorded to the various crews for winning races this year. Presentations.— Mr Willetts, photographer, presented the club with a splendid group of the winners of the maiden and junior fours of 1883. The secretary, on behalf of Mr J. Dunn, presented the club with a splendid photo of Mr Hanlan. Thanks.— A hearty vote of thanks was passed to the above gentlemen for their presents. A vote of thanks to the chair closed the meeting.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article201117915 |title=BALLARAT CITY ROWING CLUB. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXIX, |issue=207 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=29 August 1884 |accessdate=1 December 2020 |page=3 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise elected a vice-president of the Electric Telegraph Rowing Club <blockquote>'''SPORTING INTELLIGENCE.''' . . . The fourth annual meeting of the Electric Telegraph Rowing Club was held at the Bush Inn on Thursday, the 28th inst. The secretary's report showed the club to be in a flourishing state. The members numbered nearly 50, and a credit balance remained after paying off all liabilities. The following office-bearers were elected for the ensuing year:— President, T. W. Jackson, Esq.; vice presidents, Messrs. '''Bechervaise''', Caldwell, Gay, and Hayes; captain, F. O. Johnston; vice-captain, T. Howard; treasurer, R. G. Beagley; secretary, Charles Hall; committee, Messrs. Armstrong, Drummond, and Murn. A valuable cup has been presented to the club by Mr. Bowman, jeweller, of 95 Brunswick-street, for competition during the coming season.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article6056414 |title=SPORTING INTELLIGENCE. |newspaper=[[The Argus (Melbourne)]] |issue=11,916 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=30 August 1884 |accessdate=1 December 2020 |page=7 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1884 09===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> =====1884 10===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Bechervaise asked by Council to display railway timetable more prominently <blockquote>'''CITY COUNCIL.''' Monday, 6th October. Present.— The mayor, Crs Salter, Thompson, Smith, McDonald, Little, Claxton, Hickman, and Shoppee. . . . From Mr '''W. P. Bechervaise''', stating that a railway time-table had been displayed opposite the Post Office for years.— Mr '''Bechervaise''' to be asked to display it in a more conspicuous place.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article201119471 |title=CITY COUNCIL. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXIX, |issue=239 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=7 October 1884 |accessdate=1 December 2020 |page=4 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1884 11===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Bechervaise acts as starter for Ballarat Yacht Club's seventh annual regatta <blockquote>'''BALLARAT YACHT CLUB.''' Patron, Sir W. J. Clarke, Bart; president, Hon. Philip Russell; vice-presidents, Messrs T. Bath and B. Hepburn; judge, Mr H. R. Caselli; starter, Mr '''W. P. Bechervaise'''; committee, Messrs E. Morey, W. Bailey, E. Millard, E. Williams, T. Bailey, J. Hickman, O. E. Edwards, M. Griffiths, C. Stewart, J. Murray, E. Morey (jun.), R. W. Holmes, W. Gale, J. Phillips, E. Wood, R. Orr, J. Goodall, T. Stoddart, and J. Davies; hon. sec., Mr W. Downie. The attractive programme arranged by the B.Y.C. for their seventh annual regatta was unfortunately detracted from, as far as the public were concerned, by the unpropitious weather for outdoor amusements. Given fine weather the club's, regattas are yearly patronised by a few thousand people, but the occasional heavy showers of rain and the gloomy clouds reduced the attendance on View Point to as many hundreds. The club had two steamers running in its service through the afternoon for the convenience of members, ladies, and friends. On one steamer the gloomy weather offered a grand excuse for a good supply of grog and "prog," which fortified many of the visitors so well as to keep a good representative attendance aboard. The wind was blowing hard from the south-west, and the waters of our far-famed lake were lashed almost into foam, and caused several accidents to skiffs and yachts. The spectators of the various races had plenty of sport to occupy their attention, and on the whole everything passed off in the most enjoyable manner. The commodore (Mr E. Morey) and his officers managed things admirably, and the hon. secretary, judge, and starters were, as usual, to the fore in promoting the enjoyment of the occasion. Their ranks were reinforced by the presence of Captain Heard, of the Albert Park Yacht Club, whose onerous duties as umpire gave cordial satisfaction in their performance. The programme embraced a skiff race, won by Mr W. Longwell's Agnes; the First Class Yacht Race, won by Mr W. Bailey's Viola; and a Second Class Yacht Race, won by Commodore Morey's Ballarat. <ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article201121396 |title=BALLARAT YACHT CLUB. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXIX, |issue=280 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=22 November 1884 |accessdate=1 December 2020 |page=3 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise acts as starter for Ballarat Yacht Club's competition for members of the knights of the scissor and paste (the press) <blockquote>'''SPORTING NEWS. YACHTING.''' The knights of the scissor and paste had an outing at Lake Wendouree on Saturday afternoon through the courtesy of the Ballarat Yacht Club, and the liberality of Mr John Murray, who presented a trophy for competition among representatives of the Press. The yachts entered were — The Flying Scud, Mr Andrew Berry, Star; the Reporter, Mr J. Nash, Argus; the Grand Flaneur, Mr John Murray, Australasian; the Darlie Bay, Mr W. Downie, Evening Post; the Viola, Mr G. B. Hogg, Courier; the Pinafore, Mr Admans, Devon Herald, Tasmania; and Ballarat, Mr R. B. Williams, Herald. Mr '''W. P. Bechervaise''', who acted as starter, having marshalled the boats, sent them off to a southerly breeze, a good start being effected. The Viola soon forged ahead, and was first around Brace’s buoy, followed by the Reporter, Flying Scud, Darlie Bay, Grand Flaneur, Pinafore, with the Ballarat making slow progress astern. The Viola kept up her reputation of the previous day, when she won the First-class Yacht Race, and was the leading boat from start to finish. The Reporter sailed well, and the Scud several times attempted the cutting-out business, but her efforts were suppressed by the little boat. After the first round the Darlie Bay had the Scud well in hand, and up till the last round remained in the third place. Meanwhile the Scud and Grand Flaneur were having splendid hand to hand contests, and towards the finish of the third round the Grand Flaneur was ahead. However, in weathering the north-east buoy, she was in trouble, and let the Scud in again for fourth position, which she then kept till the finish. The adage of "diamond cut diamond" was severely felt by the Reporter in the last round at the south-east buoy. In endeavouring to cut out the Viola the Reporter allowed the Darlie Bay a chance to take the second leading position, which she did to a nicety. The yachts passed the post as follows:— Viola, 1 hr. 39 min. 30 sec., 1; Darlie Bay, 1 hr. 40 min, 49 secs., 2; Reporter, 1 hr. 41 min. 30 secs., 3; Flying Scud, 4; Grand Flaneur, 5; Pinafore, 6. The Ballarat, realising the mighty impress of defeat, retired at the conclusion of the third round. Subsequently the health of the winners was drunk, and the trophy handed over at Gill's hotel. The weather in the afternoon was not oppressive, and the day's sport will be imprinted on the minds of both victor and vanquished as most enjoyable.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article201121466 |title=SPORTING NEWS. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXIX, |issue=281 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=24 November 1884 |accessdate=1 December 2020 |page=3 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1884 12===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Anniversary of Eureka Stockade celebrated by a visit to the site of the memorial under construction <blockquote>'''THE EUREKA STOCKADE MEMORIAL.''' The anniversary of the Eureka Stockade yesterday was commemorated by an informal visit of inspection to the scene of the stirring strife, where the memorial in course of construction serves to mark the spot on which the diggers fell in their struggle against the tyranny prevailing in the goldfields 30 years ago. The memorial so far consists of two turrets of solid masonry built upon a mound of earth. The second turret is approached by a flight of steps and from that coign of vantage the whole of Ballarat can be seen by the observer, spreading out in a beautiful panorama. A large stone is placed in the centre of the second turret, upon which will be raised a splendid monolith, probably of the Grampian freestone. At the angles of the first turret provision has been made for the reception of ordnance donated by the Government, and which will be placed in position by Major Snee and a picked party of men. Many other improvements will be effected upon the memorial, and the Eastern council intends to improve the locality by planting a reserve around the erection. The weather yesterday afternoon was anything but propitious for the visit, as at the place the party were delayed by the rain and pelted by hail, which unseasonable circumstance induced numberless old identities to crack jokes about the storming of the stockade 30 years ago. Among the visitors were the Mayors of the City and Town, Crs Roff, Messrs C. Dyte, Ryan, W. Irwin, H. Josephs, '''W. P. Bechervaise''', and others. Mr Dyte, who was the spokesman of the occasion, said the visit was merely informal, and when the memorial, was completed official notice would be given of a celebration. The assemblage were present that day in order to commemorate the anniversary of the Stockade. Out of respect he would ask them to uncover to the memory of the dead. In silence the congregated people obeyed. Cheers were then given for the Mayor of the City (Mr A. T. Morrison), the secretary for the committee; for the Mayor of the Town (Mr Thomas Walker), and for the engineer (Mr H. A. King), under whose superintendence the work has so far been satisfactorily carried out. The proceedings then terminated.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article207630048 |title=THE EUBEKA STOCKADE MEMORIAL. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXIX, |issue=290 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=4 December 1884 |accessdate=1 December 2020 |page=3 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise a pall-bearer at funeral of Mrs Foster <blockquote>'''NEWS AND NOTES.''' . . . The remains of the late Mrs Foster were interred on Saturday morning at the Old Cemetery. Notwithstanding that the funeral was a semi-private one the cortege was lengthy. The pall-bearers were:— Messrs James, Palmer, Coughan, Robertson, Rowlings, and '''Bechervaise''', Colonel Sleep, and Superintendent Ryall. The burial service of the Church of England was recited by the Ven. Archdeacon Julius.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article207630982 |title=NEWS AND NOTES. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXIX, |issue=310 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=29 December 1884 |accessdate=1 December 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> ====1885==== <!-- <blockquote><ref></ref></blockquote> --> =====1885 01===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> =====1885 02===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Bechervaise included in list of Victorian Public Servants <blockquote>'''THE PUBLIC SERVICE. CLASSIFICATION OF WORK.''' We publish today the return prepared by the Public Service Board, showing the classification of the work of the officers in the public service. The return is compiled pursuant to the provisions of section 25 of the Public Service Act 1883, and gives the names of all the persons employed in the service on 31st December, 1884 (exclusive of teachers in the Education department, and, of course, of the railway employes, who come under another act), together with the branches in which they are engaged, their ages last birthday, their present salaries, and the new classification of their work. It may be explained that section 2 of the act repeals the old Civil Service Act (No. 160) except as to all things done under it, and the privileges and rights of all persons who were subject to its provisions. In every other respect such persons are subject to the provisions of the present Public Service Act (No 773). Section 9 of the latter act divides the public service into four divisions, namely, the "first division," the "professional division," the "clerical division," and the "non-clerical division." The offices in the first division are specified in the first schedule to the act. They are 12 in number, being chiefly the positions of heads of departments. Section 12 provides that the professional division shall include all persons holding offices requiring some skill usually acquired only in some profession or other pursuit, different from that required in the clerical or non-clerical division, and also the persons holding the offices of inspector general, assistant inspector-general, inspectors, and teachers in the Education department. Section 13 includes in the clerical division officers performing clerical duties. By the succeeding section, the clerical division is divided into five classes, namely, the first, second, third, fourth, and fifth. Section 15 includes in the non-clerical division a great variety of officers, and all who do not come under the other divisions of the public service. The next sections relate to salaries. The officers in the first division are to be paid such salaries as may be provided in the annual appropriation act. In the professional and non-clerical divisions the officers are to be paid salaries or wages in accordance with a fixed amount or scale, determinable by regulation. With regard to the professional division, regulations were issued on January 12, and published in The Argus on January 13 specifying the minimum and maximum emoluments attaching each office, and the scale of increments. As to the non-clerical division, similar regulations were issued in a supplement to the Government Gazette last Saturday. In the clerical division, each of the five classes is to have the minimum and maximum salary and the annual increment thereto mentioned in the second schedule. The second schedule is as follows:— Class. Minimum (£). Maximum (£). Increment. 1st 610 750 Seven annual increments of £20 each 2nd 500 600 Five annual increments of £20 each 3rd 360 450 Six annual increments of £15 each 4th 210 350 Nine annual increments of £10 each, with two further increments of £25 each for long service, at intervals of five years, subject to recommendation of permanent head and board 5th # 200 £10 per annum up to £100, and £20 per annum up to £200. # The entrance at age of 19 years or upwards £80, and £10 less for every year below 19 years of age. The Governor in Council may, upon the recommendation of the board, notwithstanding anything contained in the act, fix the amount of salary to be paid to an officer at any sum within the maximum and minimum limits of the class of such officer, and such sum shall be the salary attached to each officer without annual increment. The right to receive an increment is to depend "upon good and diligent conduct," and if, in the opinion of the permanent head, the officer is not entitled thereto, he may issue an order to deprive such officer of the increment, the officer having the right to appeal to the board. If the board finds that any officer is in the receipt of a greater salary than the maximum of the class assigned to his work by the board, such person shall be transferred as soon as possible to some other branch or department in which he can be employed upon work equivalent to the amount of his salary. If such person be ???? assiued, and be found unfit for such higher work, his salary shall be reduced to the maximum of the class to which such lower office shall have been assigned, but he is to receive compensation for the reduction. No officer classified under the old act No. 160 is to have his salary reduced because of the new classification of work. On these points, however, we refer our readers to the board's note at the end of the return. The following classes of officers are excluded from the operation of the act:— All overseers, timekeepers, and labourers (Water Supply, Melbourne); All employes in connexion with diamond drills.; All employes on the experimental farm. All employes in the state nurseries. All employes in eradication of vine disease. All employes in connexion with rabbit extermination. All pupil surveyors and draftsmen, and apprentices. All labourers in survey parties, and boatmen employed by marine surveyor. '''LIST OF CIVIL SERVANTS.''' ("1 D" signifies First Division; "P," Professional Division; "C," Clerical Division; and "N," Non-clerical Division. The letters "L," "M," "Sc," "Ed," "A & E," "S," "Mil," denote respectively the Legal, Medical, Scientific, Educational, Architectural and Engineering, Survey, or Military Class of the Professional Division; the figures "1," "2," "3," "4," "5," the Classes of the Clerical Division; and "f" signifies that the salary has been fixed by the Governor in Council within the maximum and the minimum limits of the class. The figures coming immediately after the name of the officer are those of his age last birthday; the date is that of his first appointment; the figures following the date are those of the present annual salary in pounds sterling; "a" denotes that the officer has an allowance in addition to his salary. We omit fractions of pounds.) . . . * Name: Bechervaise, W. P. * Age: 53, * Date of Appontment: Dec. 1, 1856 * Salary: 583a * Classification: C = Clerical Division * Level 2 * Category: f = Salaray fixed by Governor in Council<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article6066230 |title=THE PUBLIC SERVICE. |newspaper=[[The Argus (Melbourne)]] |issue=12,048 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=2 February 1885 |accessdate=2 December 2020 |page=10 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise attends meeting of Ballarat Regatta committee <blockquote>'''NEWS AND NOTES.''' . . . A full meeting of the Ballarat Regatta committee was held at Lester's hotel last evening when business in connection with finances, &c., was discussed. Mr '''Bechervaise''' occupied the chair, and there is every prospect of the Ballarat Regatta of 1885 being a success, both as regards finances and entries. <ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article207632927 |title=NEWS AND NOTES. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXX, |issue=35 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=11 February 1885 |accessdate=2 December 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise's daughter Charlotte Alice Bechervaise competes in the Ballarat Eisteddfod <blockquote>'''THE EISTEDDFOD.''' The annual Eisteddfod held in connection with the celebration of St. David's Day by the Welsh residents of Ballarat and district, was commenced last evening, at the Mechanics' Institute, and so far promises to be quite as successful as any of its predecessors. The celebration has now become an annual event which is looked forward to with the greatest interest, not by those resident in our own neighborhood alone, but by the Cymri of all parts of the colony. The love of their fatherland is strong among the sons of Cambria, and their love of music, more especially vocal music, is deeply engrained in the national spirit. This is markedly shown by the revival, even in this antipodean land, of an institution which in other days — seen dimly through the mist of centuries past — nurtured and strengthened that patriotic feeling. The custom may have changed, perhaps, with the natural change of circumstances and surroundings. In some respects it is not the same as of old. Yet the ends sought and being achieved by the Ballarat Eisteddfodan are as noble and as praiseworthy as were those of the ancient assemblies of the Cymric bards at Dynevor, at Mathrafal, at Aberffraw, or at Caerwys. The Ballarat Eisteddfodan have done much to encourage the study of music in the district. A healthy spirit of intellectual competition has been fostered, and music, Among the gifts that God has sent One of the most magnificent, has reached among us a higher standard than it otherwise would have done. The Welsh people certainly have chosen a most rational way of celebrating the memory of their patron saint and one which leaves a more lasting trace on the community than the celebrations of the anniversaries of patron saints whom other nations in different ways delight to honor. Nor is the influence of the Eisteddfod confined to the Welsh people alone. A modern bard has sung, "Music is the universal language of mankind," and musicians of every nationality may enter the lists. From year to year increased success has crowned the efforts of the committee of management of the local festival, and its importance has gone on extending with every successive recurrence. Within the past two or three years the number of competitors has necessitated two days being occupied by the adjudicator, and the work of judging has been commenced this year two or three days in advance of St. David's Day. The total number of entries received is about 160, while some 200 individual competitors will take part. But of those who inaugurated the Ballarat Eisteddfod, and who have taken a prominent part in every gathering since, one has been taken away from us by death within the past year — the late Cr Robert Lewis, president. The vacant chair last evening, which to day will be draped in black, must have brought this forcibly to the minds of many who missed his genial face. The adjudication was commenced last evening, when the number of competitors in each of the sections was reduced to three, but the final and principal awards will be made today. There was a very good attendance, and the competitors were frequently applauded. The adjudicators were Dr Torrance and Mr John Robson. Mr D. H. Evans, of Caulfield, is the judge of the Welsh poems "Elegy on Dr Thomas," and Mr David Thomas of the Welsh epitaphs on the late Mr R. Lewis. The competition will commence this morning at half-past 9 o'clock, when Mr Llewellyn Thomas will play a harp solo. Mr J. B. Humffray will deliver an address in the afternoon at 2 o'clock, and the concert in which the successful competitors will appear will commence at 8 o'clock. Mr Philip Jones will act as conductor, and Messrs Coutts and Herbert as accompanists. The following were the competitors examined last evening:— Pianoforte solo, "Rondo in E Flat."— Amy Goodshaw, Marian Benson, Lilian Eyres, May Wilson, Nellie Harris, Amy Herbert, Ada Ruddock, P. E. Fraser, C. James, Nina Machefer, C. Owen. Song, "Auntie."— Competitors — Marian Bradshaw, Mary Evans, Lena Gude, Annie Thomas, Margaret A. Thomas, Edith Bradshaw, Agnes Scarse, Lizzie Payne, Lily of the North, Amy Shaw, Flora Davies. Playing pianoforte at sight.— Competitors — C. Owen, Florence E. Towl, Nina Machefer, A. Netherway, H. Howe, Sera Gude, Minnie Thomas, Ellen Thursfield. Solo, "He wipes the tear from every eye."— Competitors — E. Payne, Minnie Quick, Maggie Williams, Flora Davies, Margaret A. Thomas, C. Rowlands, Clara Price, — Richards, Amy Shaw, '''C. Bechervaise''', Annie Thomas, Selina Roberts, M. Bradshaw, E. Bradshaw, A. Scarse. Solo (soprano), "The bird that came in spring."— Competitors — Isabel Hardie, A. M. James, Miss Silverlock, Ada Wilkins, B. Carnegie, '''C. Bechervaise''', E. Payne. Violin Solo, "Jock o’ Hazeldean."— Competitors — W. A. Lorimer, E. Payne, M. Payne, J. Flohm, W. Gude, J. G. Mullen, G. Jones, V. G. Lorimer, E. Bentley, W. Phillips. English Recitation.— Competitors — T. Saunders, Rose Vallins, F. Parry, R. Gray, Lizzie M. Suffren, Rebecca Thomas.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article207633715 |title=THE EISTEDDFOD. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXX, |issue=49 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=27 February 1885 |accessdate=15 December 2020 |page=4 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise is a course judge, treasurer and host on the official steamer for Ballarat Regatta (Electric Telegraph team from Melbourne in attendance) <blockquote>'''SPORTING NEWS. BALLARAT ANNUAL REGATTA.''' Post judges — Messrs J. Holding, F. M. Claxton, and M. L. Matthews. Course judges — Messrs '''Bechervaise''' and Bennett. Starter — Mr W. Pobjoy. Hon. Treas., Mr '''W. P. Bechervaise'''. Committee — Mr '''W. P. Bechervaise''' (chairman), Captain Crampton, Messrs A. Gibbs, A. Hollander, J. Rennie, J. Fitzgerald, A. McNaughton, R. Toy, Captain Grant, Messrs A. Lester, W. Hartley, J. W. Shevill, C. G. Aikins, E. Williams, Captain Dawson, Messrs W. and P. Cazaly, Hare, Mitchell, and Liddiard, Commodore E. Morey, Vice-Commodore W. Bailey, Capt. T. Bailey, Messrs W. Downie, T. Mann, G. Hathorn. The Ballarat annual regatta came off yesterday afternoon with the favourable conditions of good management and well-contested events, but with drawbacks as regarded the weather. Shortly after 2 o'clock a Scotch mist commenced, and pursued its even tenor till the last race. Notwithstanding the wind and rain, however, View Point and other coigns of vantage were held by fully 3000 spectators, whose ardour in the sport was seemingly not damped by the long shower. The committee may be congratulated for the success of its arrangements for the regatta. The Lady of the Lake steamer was secured for the use of the umpires (Messrs '''Bechervaise''' Pyne Bennett) and other officials. Some steamers were chartered by spectators, to view the contest, and all were fairly managed, with the exception of the Ballarat, which was very often in the way on the course, and collided once, with the umpires' steamer, to the fright of ladies on board both boats. The Melbourne pulled off the Maiden Four in clinkers. The Wendouree clubs' representatives won the two principal events of the day, principally owing to the fine abilities of the stroke, W. Cazaly. They secured a leg-in for the Sunbury Challenge Cup by an excellent win, and beat the favorite Williamstown crew in the Senior Eight race. The City came second in the latter event, and were just beaten on the post. The Ballarat City have two legs in the Sunbury Cup, the Ballarat two, the Victoria one, and the Wendouree one. The Ballarat City carried off the Maiden Eight and the Junior Sculls in fine style. In the former event the Electric Telegraph showed up well, but one of their men, catching a crab, spoilt the little show they had 100 yards off the post. The first-class yacht race was postponed till this afternoon. Mr W. Pobjoy deserves great credit for his efforts in starting the crews, and Mr '''Bechervaise''' was a host in himself on board the umpire's boat. Colonel Sleep did not turn up to act as time-keeper, consequently no official times were taken. The programme was as follows:—<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article207633734 |title=SPORTING DEWS. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXX, |issue=50 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=28 February 1885 |accessdate=2 December 2020 |page=4 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1885 03===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Telegraphy examiners change the examination assessment rules at the last minute and all 28 examinees fail <blockquote>'''NEWS AND NOTES.''' . . . An almost unprecedented occurrence in connection with the examinations at the School of Mines has taken place during the past week, when, out of some 28 candidates examined in telegraphy, not one passed. The examiners, Messrs George Smibert and H. W. Jenvey, in their report, which was read at the quarterly meeting of the council yesterday, expressed surprise at the result, which they attributed to the fact that the good operators, as a rule, neglected the theoretical part, and that the best theorists were not sufficiently advanced in operating. A report from Mr W. D. Campbell, the lecturer at the School, was also submitted. Mr Campbell stated that the principal reason for the failures was a new rule which was introduced by the examiners within a week of the examinations, to the effect that students would be required to obtain at least 35 out of a possible 50 marks for sending, and the same number for receiving. As the council considered the School had been very unfairly dealt with, it was decided to request the examiners to go over the papers again and grant certificates according to the old rule, the new rule to come into force at the next examination.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article207634970 |title=NEWS AND NOTES. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXX, |issue=73 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=27 March 1885 |accessdate=2 December 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1885 04===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Bechervaise presents prizes at informal competition between Ballarat Yacht Club and visiting Queenscliff fishermen <blockquote>'''YACHTING AT WENDOUREE.''' Friday being the occasion of the Queenscliff fishermen's picnic to Ballarat with their families and friends, it was decided by Captain Thomas Bailey and a few of the B.Y.C. committee to get up a sailing match for the men of "the cliff." The arrangements were carried through successfully, and gave immense pleasure and satisfaction to our visitors, who were kindly entertained by Mrs. Thomas Bailey at her residence, Wendouree. The draw for yachts and places having been got through, the following picked up their moorings:— Flying Scud, Mr. H. Hoppen; Viola, Mr. W. Todd; Darlie Bay, Mr. J. Morrison; Ballarat, Mr. O. Sievers; Pinafore, Mr. Frank Waith; Grand Flaneur, Mr. E. Todd. The order of the day was port tack to Garden Island buoy, three times round the sailing course, leaving all beacons on the port hand. There was a fine breeze from the eastward, and the fleet got away to a splendid start. The sight as they lay at their buoys, with mainsails set and headsails down, was very pretty; the club's steamer was filled with visitors from the seaboard, and Commodore Morey, with Vice-president B. Hepburn and the B.Y.C. people, did all they could to make things agreeable; Mr. Hepburn, with his well-known generosity, making a present to the young people to assist them in enjoying themselves. After the run up to the Garden buoy it was rounded as follows:— Scud, Flaneur, Pinafore, Darlie, Ballarat, Viola, then a stretch southward to clear Brace's, after which it was "keep her full and by, my hearty." Two or three tacks to Edwards's buoy and away to the north-east beacon, and the first round was completed. In the second round, the Darlie had a good lead, but was cut out by the Scud at Taylor's buoy, and, after a few changes, they came in — Flying Scud, 1; Viola, 2; Darlie Bay, 3. Ballarat, Pinafore, and Flaneur, in a "nice procession," followed up. Time of winner, 1h. 20m. An adjournment was then made to the club rooms, where the prizes were presented by Mr. '''Bechervaise''' and the etceteras duly attended to. The yachts were capitally handled by the "fishers of the sea," and at the wind-up they expressed their hearty thanks to Mr. Tom Bailey, the B.Y.C. and all concerned, for their afternoon's "fly around."<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article138096625 |title=YACHTING AT WENDOUREE. |newspaper=[[The Australasian]] |volume=XXXVIII, |issue=992 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=4 April 1885 |accessdate=2 December 2020 |page=20 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1885 05===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Bechervaise receives a donation for the School of Mines collection <blockquote>'''ITEMS OF NEWS.''' . . . The entomological collection at the Ballarat School of Mines has been added to by a specimen of a monster beetle from Cape Otway, presented through Mr '''W. B. Bechervaise''' by a gentleman who has recently left Ballarat for that place. The following note, which accompanied the parcel, if laconic, is at any rate suggestive: — "If good enough, give to School of Mines. It is a big one. Heard it walking on the roof of the verandah. Got a ladder and went up and captured it. Thought it was a bird."<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article201207581 |title=ITEMS OF NEWS. |newspaper=[[Mount Alexander Mail]] |issue=8142 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=11 May 1885 |accessdate=15 December 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1885 06===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> =====1885 07===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> =====1885 08===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Bechervaise chairs a meeting to assist a local businessman impacted by fire <blockquote>An influential meeting of citizens was held last night at Craig's hotel, for the purpose of considering the case of Mr Koeneman, whose powder factory was destroyed by fire last week. Mr '''W. P. Bechervaise''' was voted to the chair. Extracts taken from Mr Koeneman's account books were read, and they showed that the fire in question had suddenly nipped in the bud a rising pro-mising local industry, which was just begin-ning to give handsome profits. Letters were read from Sandhurst mining managers, stating that the Ballarat powder was in that city preferred to the imported article. The meeting sympathised with Mr Koeneman in his misfortune, and eventually the following gentlemen were appointed a committee to form a company, or otherwise assist Mr Koeneman:— Messrs James Oddie, J.P., Ham, J.P., '''Bechervaise''', Serjeant, J.P., Morey, Barton, G. F. Smith, E. Murphy, Foster, Russell and Bell, M's.L.A., with power to add. Mr H. O'Connor was ap-pointed hon. secretary pro tem. <ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article203310199 |title=No title |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXX, |issue=182 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=4 August 1885 |accessdate=2 December 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise attends annual meeting of Electric Telegraph Rowing Club and is elected a vice-president again <blockquote>'''ROWING NOTES. BY VISOR.''' The fifth annual meeting of the Electric Telegraph Rowing Club was held at the John Bull Tavern on Saturday last. The report stated that, although the paid-up list included but 40 members during the season 1884-5, more club races had been rowed and general activity shown than in any previous year. The receipts of the treasurer amounted to £175 4s., and the expenditure to £153 8s. 6d., leaving a credit balance of £21 15s. 7d. The liabilities reached £47, whilst the assets came to £174 3s. 7d., so that altogether the club is in a very fair way. The office-bearers elected for the ensuing season are:— President, Mr. T. R. James; vice-presidents, Messrs. '''Bechervaise''', Caldwell, Gray, and J. F. Hayes; captain, F. O. Johnston; vice-captain, T. Howard; hon. treasurer, R. G. Beazley; hon. secretary, C. R. L. Hall; committee, Messrs. Armstrong, Drummond, and Murn. After the conclusion of the business the members sat down to a supper, at which Mr. Dainty was presented with a trophy for scoring the highest number of points oaring the past season, and a pleasant evening concluded with music and speeches.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article138101071 |title=ROWING NOTES. |newspaper=[[The Australasian]] |volume=XXXIX, |issue=1010 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=8 August 1885 |accessdate=2 December 2020 |page=23 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise attends lecture at School of Mines by Henry Sutton on "The transmission of electric force." <blockquote>Mr H. Sutton delivered a lecture last night at the School of Mines, in connection with the Ironworkers' Association, on "The transmission of electric force." The chair was taken by Mr Jas. Oddie, vice-president of the School of Mines, and there was a fair attendance of the public, a few ladies being amongst the number present. Mr Sutton gave an interesting description of the generation of the force, statically and dynamically, which he illustrated by means of experiments with electro magnets, magneto-electric machines, and galvanometers. He explained Ohm's law showing how the necessary motive power was arrived at for transmitting force through any circle so as to obtain sufficient power to work any instrument, whether a telegraphic or a sewing machine, illustrating his remarks by a diagram on a blackboard. He wound up a most interesting and attractive lecture by an experiment in condensing fumes, or smoke, according to the latest discovery by Professor Lodge. A hearty vote of thanks was passed to the lecturer, on the motion of Mr '''Bechervaise''', seconded by Mr Lonie, supported by the Rev. T. Williams, of Sebastopol, all of whom spoke in terms of praise of the manner in which Mr Sutton had handled the subject. The lecturer having returned thanks, and promised that on the occasion of his next lecture he would condense a roomful of smoke, the proceedings terminated with a vote of thanks to the chairman.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article203310659 |title=No title |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXX, |issue=192 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=15 August 1885 |accessdate=5 December 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1885 09===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Bechervaise's son Walter Reed Bechervaise qualifies at the School of Mines as an analytical chemist <blockquote>Among the students at the School of Mines who have just completed their examinations is Mr '''Walter Reid Bechervaise''', son of the Ballarat post and telegraph master. This young gentleman, who is about 20 years of age, has succeeded in distinguishing himself in inorganic chemistry (theoretical and practical), and it is not more than a year ago since he succeeded in passing as an assayer. Mr '''Bechervaise''' is now qualified to practise as an analytical chemist, and the success gained by him in his studies reflects credit upon the School of Mines, and upon the professors and masters in the institution.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article203311974 |title=No title |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXX, |issue=220 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=17 September 1885 |accessdate=2 December 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Four ladies pass the telegraphy examination at the School of Mines <blockquote>The School of Mines July term examination for certificates of competency were concluded yesterday by an examination in telegraphy, conducted at the School by Messrs Geo. Smibert and H. W. Jenvey, of Melbourne. Thirteen candidates presented, and the following passed:— Miss Charlotte Outtrim, Miss ??? Smythe, Miss Mary Anne Curtain, Miss Rachael Campbell McPherson. Of four candidates who entered for the final examination for the school's certificate of competency in inorganic chemistry, theoretical and practical, Student Mr Walter Reed Bechervaise passed; Students Messrs W. T. H. Corbould and J. A. Irwin passed in practical tests, but not in the written examinations. The examiner reports that the work of 168 (Mr Corbould) is very good, and recommends that the school's certificate be granted to 177 (Mr '''Bechervaise'''). The certificates of the College of Pharmacy for the following students who attended the examinations in materia medica and botany on the 2nd instant, were received at the school yesterday:— Mr J. A. Anderson, Mr H. M. Martell, Mr J. F. Usher.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article203311974 |title=No title |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXX, |issue=220 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=17 September 1885 |accessdate=2 December 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1885 10===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Bechervaise attends Ballarat Yacht Club committee meeting and appointed to subcommittee for season opening at Lake Wendouree including visit of the Governor <blockquote>'''BALLARAT YACHT CLUB.''' A well-attended meeting of the B.Y.C. committee was held on Saturday night, at Craig's hotel, to complete arrangements for the formal opening of the season on Thursday afternoon next. Commodore Morey presided, and there were also present Vice-commodore W. Bailey, Lieut.-Colonel Smith, Messrs T. Stoddart, J. Murray, R. W. Holmes, W. Gale, J. Phillips, '''W. Bechervaise''', T. Gill, and W. Downie. Correspondence was read from Bishop Thornton anent the Governor's visit and the pleasure it would give him to be present at the opening ceremony at Lake Wendouree. From the president of the club (Hon. P. Russell), enclosing a donation of £5 to the funds. From Mr J. G. Nash, intimating that the proprietors of the Argus would have much pleasure in presenting a trophy to be sailed for during the season. From Messrs C. Salter and W. Scott, mayors of the City and Town respectively, notifying their acceptance with pleasure of the position of committeemen. From Mr R. W. Holmes, enclosing a cheque for £5 as donation for skiff trophy. Hearty votes of thanks were accorded Bishop Thornton for his action anent Sir Henry Loch's visit and presence at the opening ceremony, and also to the president and Mr Holmes for their donations. Among other matters it was decided to leave the arrangements for Thursday afternoon in the hands of the commodore and Messrs '''Bechervaise''', Gale, and Downie; these will include the securing of two steamboats, and, if possible, a brass band. It was also decided to invite the presence of the local Parliamentary representatives, the council of the School of Mines, the members of the City and Town Councils, the chairman of the Water Commission, the officers of the three rowing clubs, &c. The yacht, skiff, and various sailing boat-owners are to be requested to have all craft under canvas and moored in line by half-past 3 o'clock on Thursday next, when instructions will be given as to the order to be observed. The three rowing clubs will have eights, fours, and other boats manned to take part in the demonstration. It was arranged that the opening contest take place on Saturday next, when the first event for the Argus trophy be sailed, the conditions to be fixed in the meantime by the sailing committee, who will also arrange for one of the skiff trophy contests. Mr T. Gill offered his new steamboat, Golden City, for the use of the Governor and party at the opening on Thursday next, which offer was received with thanks. Messrs T. W. Purdue, T. Wilson, and J. Heinz having been elected members of the club, the meeting closed.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article206302286 |title=BALLARAT YACHT CLUB. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXX, |issue=236 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=6 October 1885 |accessdate=2 December 2020 |page=4 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise welcomes the Governor to the opening of the Yachting Season <blockquote>'''THE GOVERNOR'S VISIT TO BALLARAT.''' . . . '''OPENING OF THE YACHTING SEASON.''' His Excellency then proceeded to Lake Wendouree, to be present at the formal opening of the yachting season. The flotilla of the Ballarat Yacht Club, in holiday dress, sailed round the racing course. Steamers were provided for His Excellency and suite and for the members of the club. Tomorrow morning His Excellency will go to Talbot, to open the National Agricultural Society's Show there. His Excellency formally opened the season of the Ballarat Yacht Club after the ceremony at the museum. The vice regal party were received by the officers of the club, and after being conducted on board the steamer, were welcomed to Ballarat by Mr '''Bechervaise'''. The fleet was moored off View Point, and His Excellency took his stand abaft the paddle-boxes. Ringing cheers were given for the Queen and His Excellency and Lady Loch. The Governor then declared the season open, and as the yachts let go their moorings a fine scene was witnessed. A procession was formed, in which the following yachts performed evolutions:— Ballarat (Commodore Morey), Viola (Vice-commodore W. Bayley), Flying Scud (Captain T. Bailey), Darlie Bay (Mr. E. Millard), Reporter (Mr. J. G. Nash), Pinafore (Mr. T. Stoddart), Grand Flaneur (Mr. G. B. Hogg), Albert (Mr. J. Davies). At Garden Island the steamers lay to, and as the yachts sailed past each was cheered by the crowds on board, and the band played appropriate airs. The first event, The Argus Trophy, will be sailed for on Saturday.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article6067943 |title=THE GOVERNOR'S VISIT TO BALLARAT. |newspaper=[[The Argus (Melbourne)]] |issue=12,261 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=9 October 1885 |accessdate=2 December 2020 |page=6 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Neighbouring post and telegraph master appeals against his classification <blockquote>In speaking in support of his appeal against his classification to the Public Service Commissioners yesterday, Mr W. H. Williams, post and telegraph master at Creswick, was rather "rough" on the Department with which he is connected. He remarked that in connection with the New Australasian disaster, the office of which he had charge had done more work of the sort than had ever been performed in any office in the colonies. He had asked for consideration for this, and had received a few paltry pounds for over-time. It seemed as though the more they did the less they were thought of for it. Had the work been done in New Zealand a handsome bonus would have been paid. If he had sent for three extra telegraph operators, and had three extra ones put on at Melbourne, more would have been thought of it, but because the local officers had done all the work the department had not taken that (snapping his finger) notice of it.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article206303259 |title=No title |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXX, |issue=257 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=30 October 1885 |accessdate=12 December 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Further to previous, Bechervaise makes clear that one of his men handled the majority of the traffic following the Creswick mining disaster <blockquote>In reference to the statement made by Mr Williams, postmaster, at Creswick, as to the work done solely by his staff during the Creswick disaster, we have it on good authority that Mr '''Bechervaise''' sent an operator from Ballarat, who took his own instruments with him, split the Sandhurst special line himself, ran the instruments in circuit, and was in full work until the press of business on the day the men were found. The Ballarat man sent fully 20,000 words out of the 33,000 sent altogether. The Ballarat man only got the same recognition as the others, but considers he only did his duty, and did not expect anything. <ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article206303276 |title=No title |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXX, |issue=258 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=31 October 1885 |accessdate=12 December 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1885 11===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Bechervaise part of a group to revitalise the Ballarat Swimming Club <blockquote>We are glad to announce that the Ballarat Swimming Club has been reorganised, and that everything promises well for its future career. The matter of reorganisation has been taken in hand by a number of leading citizens, and at the meeting on Saturday night were such well-known residents as Mr '''Bechervaise''', the City post and telegraph master; Mr Downie, journalist; Mr Sydney Abrahams, financier; Mr Bentley, of Craig's hotel; Mr J. Curtis, Mr W. N. Lansley, and a number of other supporters of athletics. It will be seen by our report of the meeting that Mr A. J. Perkins, of the Master Tradesmen's Association, has been appointed secretary pro tem., and in the interests of the club it is to be hoped that his position will be made a permanent one, as his business tact and energy will be found a great benefit in "working up" the resuscitated and much-needed organisation. <ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article206303566 |title=No title |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXX, |issue=265 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=9 November 1885 |accessdate=2 December 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise and the Victorian Postmaster-General (from Ballarat) attend musical function <blockquote>'''THE M.I.A. UNION CONCERT.''' A concert by the successful competitors in the M.I.A. Union competitions just passed, was given in the Mechanics' Institute last evening. There was a large attendance, and the elocutionists and singers were frequently applauded during the evening. The chair was occupied by Mr G. C. Robinson, president of the union, and there was also present Dr Rose, M.L.A., president of the Melbourne Union; the Hon. James Campbell, Postmaster-General; Messrs Fincham and Baker, M's.L.A., Messrs John Robson, W. Little, '''Bechervaise''', and other gentlemen. The prizes won at the competitions were presented to the successful competitors by Dr Rose, who, before doing so, made a few remarks to the audience. He congratulated the union on the success they had achieved. They in Melbourne had done some good work with their union within the past two years. They had adopted the rules almost in globo of the Ballarat Union, and though they called the union the Victorian Improvement Associations' Union they were following in the footsteps of Ballarat. The speaker thought the youth of the colony, and consequently of Ballarat, would bear most favorable comparison as regards intellectual power with that of England, or any of the older countries. Too much attention was, perhaps, paid to athletics here, to the development of the physical powers, and the more animal portion of the man. They should strive to rather check this tendency, and to cultivate the intellectual faculties, which were God's best gift to man. The speaker concluded amidst loud and continued applause. He then proceeded to distribute the awards, addressing a few words of gratulation and encouragement to further effort to each of the prize-takers as they came forward. Mr R. Hain, in a few appropriate remarks, proposed a vote of thanks to the judges for the impartial manner in which they had performed their duties during the competition. The motion was seconded by the Hon. James Campbell, and carried with acclamation. Mr John Robson responded on behalf of the judges, stating that they had striven to fulfil in their best possible manner the arduous duties of deciding between the merits of the numerous competitors. A hearty vote of thanks was also passed to Dr Rose, on the motion of Mr G. R. Fincham, seconded by Mr Baker. The recitals by successful competitors will be continued during the week.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article206303634 |title=THE M.I.A. UNION CONCERT. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXX, |issue=266 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=10 November 1885 |accessdate=5 December 2020 |page=4 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1885 12===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Bechervaise leads a presentation to Ballarat telegraphist on transfer to Sandhurst (Bendigo) <blockquote>Mr L. Pritchard, of the local Telegraph staff, having been transferred to Sandhurst at his own request, was the subject of a nice presentation from his fellow officers on Saturday night. The presentation was made by the postmaster, who spoke highly of Mr Pritchard's abilities. Mr Pritchard in replying, stated that he thought a young man could not have a better head than Mr '''Bechervaise''', and thanked him for the fatherly interest he had always taken in him. Mr Pritchard leaves here amidst general regret. There are few young men who occupy so high a position in public esteem. Although very young, his public life has been very creditable. He is an ex-president of the South street Y.M.G.D.S., and one of their most prominent members. The gap he leaves in that society will be hard to fill. He has been vice-president of the A.N.A. Last year, at the M.I.A. Union, he carried off the champion prize, and this year was only five points behind the winner. In spite of his youth the first decentralisation meeting elected him a vice-president. As a speaker he is most promising, and, with care and caution, has undoubtedly a good future before him.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article206304750 |title=No title |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXX, |issue=291 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=8 December 1885 |accessdate=3 December 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise again starter for Ballarat Yacht Club regatta <blockquote>'''SPORTING NEWS. BALLARAT YACHT CLUB REGATTA.''' Patron, Sir W. J. Clarke, Bart.; president, hon. P. Russell, M.L.C.; vice-presidents, Messrs B. Hepburn and Thos. Bath; judge, Mr W. Gale; starter, Mr '''W. P. Bechervaise'''; treasurer, Mr Thos. Mann; umpire, Capt. R. Heard; committee, Commodore E. Morey, Vice-Commodore W. Bailey, Capt. T. Bailey, Lieut.-Colonel Smith, Messrs C. Salter (mayor of City), W. Scott (mayor of Town), J. Murray, W. Gale, T. Mann, '''W. P. Bechervaise''', J. Davies, R. W. Holmes, Alex. E. Monsbourgh, T. Stoddart, E. Millard, O. E. Edwards, M. Griffiths, R. Orr, J. Hickman, J. Phillips, J. Ferguson, T. Gill, E. Williams, A. J. E. Morey, R. Hammond, C. Stewart, Wm. Downie (hon. sec.). The magnificent weather on Saturday contributed to make the Eighth Annual Regatta of the Ballarat Yacht Club one of the most successful yet held at Lake Wendouree, and a very pleasant day's sport was experienced. To the mere uninterested observer there is nothing exhilarating in the spectacle of a number of yachts crawling slowly over the surface of the water on a breezeless, sultry day, like the barks of so many becalmed ancient mariners. On former regatta days the club has often been unfortunate in this respect. On Saturday, however, the most favorable weather conditions prevailed. Than the fresh easterly breeze which blew on Saturday, and roughened the surface of the lake and gently fanned the faces of those who watched the progress of events from View Point or from the decks of the steamers, nothing better could have been anticipated. The First-class Yacht Race — the principal event on the programme — promised to afford an excellent spectacle as the boats got away to a good start and spread their canvas to the breeze. Immediate changes of position took place in the first round, but the occurrence of a series of accidents rather took away from the interest in the latter portion of the race. The Pinafore carried away her throat halliards early in the day, and dropped from third to last place. The damage was repaired and she kept on and succeeded in again running up third, when in rounding Brace’s buoy she fouled her jib and foundered. The crew escaped with a slight wetting, and were soon picked up. The Darlie Bay also carried away her bobstay in the second round, at a time when she held a good position just in the wake of the first boat, the Ballarat. She continued in the race under the disadvantage of having to keep a man perched in the end of her bowspirit. The race was finally won by the Ballarat, which finished a long way ahead of the other competitors. The skiff race was won by Mr C. C. Shoppee's Lord Nelson, Miss McVitty's Reform being second, and Mrs Alex. Monsborough's Blue Ribbon third. The minor events — the tub-race, seahorse race and walking the greasy pole — the latter of which might be likened to the feat of "walking the plank," the plank being represented by a well-greased pole from which the competitors dropped in turn into a good depth of water — furnished plenty of amusement to the spectators. After the conclusion of the programme, an adjournment was made to the club-room at Mr T. Gill's Lake View hotel, when the health of Captain Heard, the umpire, was proposed by Vice-commodore W. Bailey. Captain Heard, in reply, said he felt assured that the yachts on the lake would carry off worthy honors if sent to Melbourne or Sydney waters. The health of "The Officers of the Club" was also proposed by Mr '''Bechervaise''', and responded to by Vice-Commodore Bailey. The success of the regatta was to a considerable extent due to the efforts of Messrs Downie, Gale, '''Bechervaise''', Holmes, J. Phillips, and other members of committee, who assisted in carrying out the various arrangements. The following are the results of the various events:— . . .<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article206305011 |title=SPORTING NEWS. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXX, |issue=296 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=14 December 1885 |accessdate=3 December 2020 |page=4 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise as vice-president Ballarat City Rowing Club acts as starter in competitions <blockquote>'''AQUATICS.''' The Ballarat City Rowing Club continued their races for the scratch fours on Tuesday evening, when Byrne's crew met Wheatland's for the third heats, and after a good struggle the latter crew proved its superiority, and won rather comfortably at the finish. The concluding heat was rowed last night, and a large muster of rowing men, officers and members of the club, assembled at the boat-house to witness the event between Wheat-land's and Kitchen's crews. Mr Vice-president '''Bechervaise''', in an eight-oared manned boat of the club was rowed up to the starting-point, and acted as starter. Great excitement and speculation prevailed, as the contesting crews were known to have been well trained for the event. A capital start was effected, and a real struggle ensued, each member of the crews doing his utmost for supremacy. In nearing the winning post the cheers of the crowd at View Point and in the many plea-sure boats around the course were very ex-citing, and every inch was being gallantly fought, Kitchen's crew just passed the judge's post barely half a length the winners, amidst enthusiastic cheering, and they are the winners of the trophies. The winning crew are J. Kitchen (stroke), J. Murphy (3), W. Dawson (2), C. Bennett (bow).<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article206305107 |title=AQUATICS. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXX, |issue=299 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=17 December 1885 |accessdate=3 December 2020 |page=4 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise attends annual exhibition and distribution of prizes for Loretto Convent Boarding school <blockquote>'''LORETTO CONVENT.''' The annual exhibition and distribution of prizes in connection with the Loretto Convent Boarding school, Wendouree, took place on Thursday, 17th inst., in the large room of the convent, which was tastefully decorated with wreaths of evergreens for the occasion. The Right Rev. Dr Moore, Bishop of Ballarat, presided. The following clergymen were also present — Revs. Professor Delaney (All Hallow's College, Dublin), P. Corcoran (Smythesdale), J. O'Brien (Clunes), G. Doyle, T. O'Neill, J. Campion, J. F. Rogers, J. J. Clearey, and D. Devane; besides a large number of ladies and gentlemen, amongst whom we noticed Rev. Br. Kennedy (Christian Brothers), Lieut.-Col. Sleep, D. Brophy, J.P., and Mrs Brophy, Mr and Mrs Buckley (Melbourne), Mr and Mrs Michael Murnane (Melbourne), Mrs James Dynon (Melbourne), Miss Bella Guerin, M.A., Mr G. G. Morton and Mrs Morton (Labona), Mr Bechervaise, Mr J. J. Fitzgerald, J.P., and Mrs Fitzgerald, Mr and Mrs McDonald (Ararat), Mr T. Colgan and Mrs Colgan, Mrs Mann and Miss Moloney, Mrs Tobin (Melbourne), Mrs Tobin (Ararat), the Misses Heffernan (Sandhurst), Mr and Mrs Kennedy (South Australia), Mr T. J. Lamble, Mr McDonald (Melbourne), and Mr Newton. The proceedings commenced by the pupils reading an address to the bishop, after which the following programme, consisting of vocal and instrumental music and recitations, was gone through. Every number was rendered so admirably that it would be invidious to mention any one in particular; suffice it to say that it was the opinion of those present that the musical and literary exhibition given by the pupils could not be surpassed in any of the Australian colonies. Between the first and second part the bishop presented a number of handsome prizes to the young ladies who had been awarded them. At the conclusion of the programme his lordship, after presenting a number of beautiful prizes to the junior classes, rose and said:— "My dear children, the beautiful address which you have read gives me much pleasure, <ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article206305347 |title=LORETTO CONVENT. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXX, |issue=303 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=22 December 1885 |accessdate=3 December 2020 |page=4 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> ====1886==== <!-- <blockquote><ref></ref></blockquote> --> =====1886 01===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Controversy for Ballarat Hospital management, Bechervaise acts as scrutineer for ballot & speaks to meeting <blockquote>The annual meeting of governors of and subscribers to the Hospital was held last evening in the Mechanics' Institute. Mr A. Hunter was declared elected president for the ensuing year unopposed, as were also Messrs A. White and D. Brophy vice-presidents, Mr W. Eyres treasurer, and Mr Spillman auditor. The ballot for the contested offices, the nominations for which were published in yesterday's issue, will open today at 12 noon at the Mechanics' Institute, and will remain open until 7.30 p.m. The time of closing has been extended in order to allow subscribers coming in by the evening train from Creswick and other places an opportunity of recording their votes. Messrs Spillman and '''Bechervaise''' will act as scrutineers, and the results of the election will be made known tonight as soon as the ballot has been made up. It need scarcely be said that the present election, for many reasons, is exciting intense interest, and no doubt a very large number of votes will be polled. Matters passed off very quietly at the annual meeting of the Hospital last evening, and very little was said concerning the recent differences between the committee and the honorary professional staff. At the conclusion of the ordinary business Dr McConnochie, as a member of the profession unconnected with the institution, made a few remarks on the subject. Since coming to Ballarat he had noticed, through the columns of the papers and otherwise, that there had been certain little differences in Hospital affairs, and he had thought of a plan by which these differences might be at least mitigated, perhaps removed. The proposal, to speak briefly, was that it was desirable in the interests of the institution that the members of the honorary medical and surgical staff should retire from the committee of management and form themselves into a medical committee. He could point to a number of large hospitals in London and various other places where this practice was followed, and he was not aware of any large hospitals where the medical men were on the general committee. The medical gentlemen would consult their own dignity and the dignity of the Hospital by giving in their adherence to such a proposal. If the president would take a motion, he would move one. Mr '''Bechervaise''' — "What position would the resident surgeon occupy in relation to this committee?" The president, Mr Hunter, said he thought that meeting could not deal with a motion of such a kind. It interfered with the rules of the institution, and consequently could only be carried at a special meeting convened for the purpose, or at an annual meeting to which notice had been given. Mr George Smith thought Dr McConnochie deserved their hearty thanks for the suggestion. At the meeting of the committee on the previous evening, he (the speaker) had given notice of a motion for a revision of the rules. The majority of the old committee believed in such a revision, and the committee, after having revised them, would submit them to a meeting of the subscribers for adoption. Dr Jakins said he had some time back brought before the committee a motion in effect the same as Dr McConnochie's proposal, but the committee had rejected it. At this stage the matter dropped, and with a vote of thanks to the chair, the proceedings terminated.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article206306201 |title=No title |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXI, |issue=12 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=15 January 1886 |accessdate=3 December 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise's son Walter Reed Bechervaise receives employment for Broken Hill Pty., Ltd., after education at School of Mines <blockquote>As instancing the value of the practical education bestowed by the Ballarat School of Mines, it may be mentioned that during the past week, the registrar, Mr Berry, received a letter from the manager of the Broken Hill Proprietary Company, Limited, the owners of a number of claims at Silverton, requesting him to recommend one or two competent assayers. The desired information was communicated, with the result that Mr '''Walter R. Bechervaise''', son of the local postmaster, was at once engaged at a salary of £250 per annum. Mr '''Bechervaise''' has been a student of the School for about two years and a half, during which he has obtained high honors.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article206306589 |title=No title |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXI, |issue=20 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=25 January 1886 |accessdate=5 December 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1886 02===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Bechervaise vice-chairs a farewell to captain of the Ballarat City Rowing Club <blockquote>The officers and members of the Ballarat City Rowing Club met last night at the committee rooms, Brophy's hotel, for the purpose of saying farewell to their captain, Mr Crampton, who is about to remove to Melbourne. Advantage was taken of the occasion to present the well-known and successful oarsman with a diamond locket, valued at 12 guineas, and an illuminated address prepared by Mr Lansley. Mr D. Brophy, J.P., presided, and the vice-chairs were occupied by Messrs '''Bechervaise''' and E. Williams. There was a large attendance of rowing men representing the three clubs, as well as official visitors from the Ballarat Yacht Club. The illuminated address, which was couched in eulogistic terms (speaking of Mr Crampton as a worthy citizen and a hearty supporter of rowing), was handed over to the recipient amidst applause. The various speakers alluded in high terms to the valuable assistance Mr Crampton had given aquatics in Ballarat, and complimentary reference was made to his career as a rowing man at regattas. Regret was expressed at his departure from Ballarat, but this feeling was softened by the thoughts that in proceeding to the metropolis he was receiving promotion in the Government department in which he was engaged. On the whole a very pleasant evening was spent, and the company separated after the usual hand-shaking and wishing Mr Crampton increased prosperity in his new sphere. Mr Newton, the proprietor of Brophy's hotel, gave every satisfaction as caterer.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article206307008 |title=No title |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXI, |issue=30 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=5 February 1886 |accessdate=15 December 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1886 03===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Awards evening for Ballarat Swimming Club (Ladies), Bechervaise prominent as President and speaker <blockquote>The prizes won at the recent ladies' swimming matches under the auspices of the Ballarat Swimming Club, were distributed to the successful competitors last evening at the Mechanics Institute. A large number of ladies and gentlemen were present at the distribution, including the mayor of the city, and a good many prominent members of the club. Mr '''Bechervaise''' (president) occupied the chair, and the prizes were distributed as announced by the city mayoress (Mrs Salter). The medal presented by Lieutenant-Colonel Smith for the best all-round swimmer was awarded to Miss Isabella Tucker. After the distribution the mayoress proposed, and Miss Sheedy seconded a vote of thanks to the gentlemen who had assisted in the arrangements for the matches. Mr '''Bechervaise''', in returning thanks, said the matches had been a success from beginning to end. They had been initiated by Mr W. N. Lansley, from whom the idea came, and who was the chief worker throughout. Mr Lansley had collected all the funds, and deserved the whole of the credit. He (Mr '''Bechervaise''') thought, however, that they must make the fees a little higher in order to make the thing more self-supporting. Mr Lansley said he was pleased that the matches had been such a success, and if they recognised the efforts of himself and the other gentlemen they were grateful. It only required pluck and energy to have the matches carried out annually and successfully. He thought it was high time that the natives of Australia should show a little more interest in the club, instead of leaving it to the older ones. Messrs Ince, Miller, Downie, and Perkins also returned thanks. The mayor made a few remarks congratulating them on the success of the matches. He had been present for a short time at the matches, and was pleased with the way in which they were carried out. The swimming certainly reflected great credit on the instructors, and they have much to be congratulated on in this matter. He thought they might look forward to even a greater success next year. He asked them to record a vote of thanks to the lady workers. The vote was carried with acclamation. Mr '''Bechervaise''' responded on behalf of the ladies. In doing so he mentioned that they were much indebted to Mr and Mrs Tucker for the kindness shown to them at all times. The chairman proposed a vote of thanks to the donors, to which Mr W. Bentley replied, and a vote of thanks to the chair brought the proceedings to a close. <ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article204428786 |title=No title |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXI, |issue=53 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=4 March 1886 |accessdate=3 December 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Ballarat Telegraph office under Bechervaise plays prominent part in distribution of election returns <blockquote>'''THE GENERAL ELECTION.''' The long-looked for general election of 1886 took place yesterday, and was, so far as Ballarat was concerned, the most exciting event of the kind yet experienced. General elections — indeed Parliamentry elections of any kind — have always considerable interest for residents of Ballarat and surrounding localities, but the "day of reckoning" of 1886 has proved something out of the common. Not long since wiseacres were heard to say that the election of yesterday would be unexciting, simply because party politics were so nicely balanced in the last Parliament by the coalition, but be this as it may, the looked-for excitement presented itself in real earnest at the beginning of the present week, and the climax was reached by the polling and announcement of results yesterday. The morning broke dull, and during the day the sky was overcast, and as night approached rain commenced to fall. But the inclemency of the weather did not damp the ardor of the "free and independent," who in West and East "rolled up" and exercised, in the way they considered best, their franchise. The voting in Ballarat West and East was not confined to residents of the electorates, for among those who had put in appearance at the ballot-box were persons dwelling in such distant places as Gippsland, Portland, Mount Gambier, Dimboola, Apollo Bay, Mount Cole, and other parts of the colony. The Legislative Assembly numbers 86 members, and in the appended list we give as accurate a return of the polling yesterday as it was possible to obtain from the most reliable sources. Ballarat West has returned Colonel Smith, Mr C. E. Jones, and Mr R. T. Vale, the old veterans, Messrs Bell and Fincham, being defeated. The Minister of Mines (Mr James) was defeated in Ballarat East by Mr Edward Murphy, who polled largely both in Ballarat East proper and in Bungaree. It was reported last night that Mr James would carry out the promise made by him some days ago in the Ballarat East Town Hall, viz., resign his position in the Ministry. Mr Russell polled a big vote, and the high respect in which he is held in the electorate was shown by the large numbers of persons in the dense throng who spoke in complimentary terms of his courtesy to all classes in the district which he represents. The elections in Ballarat West and East passed off in a very orderly manner, and beyond a few slight "scrimmages" nothing occurred to mar the proceedings. Ample police protection had been provided, though not required, but, nevertheless, the constables were in their places in case of emergency. Mr Inspector Parkinson, assisted by Sergeant Hall, had charge of the constabulary told off for special duty in the City, while Sergeant Leverton controlled the Eastern police. The telegraph offices were kept open until a later hour last night for the convenience of the public. In the City office a large staff of operators were in attendance, under the direction of Mr Binstead, and it is due to the gentlemen who composed the staff to state that they discharged their duties, under numerous difficulties, in a manner that was highly creditable. Mr '''Bechervaise''' was, of course, commander-in-chief, and it is almost needless to say that his arrangement of the work greatly facilitated operations in the office. At The Star office a large hoarding had been erected for the purpose of posting returns thereon, and as these came to hand they were displayed under powerful gas illuminations, which enabled the many thousands of excited persons who had assembled in the street to see the figures distinctly. Shortly after 5 o'clock the space in front of The Star and Courier offices, and, indeed, right across the road to the southern side of Sturt street, became a scene of excitement, and by the time the clock had struck six the numbers in the thoroughfare had increased to a remarkable extent. By 7 o'clock about 15,000 persons were in front of the newspaper offices, and between 8 and 9 o'clock it was estimated that the dense throng in Sturt street, between Lydiard street and Grenville street, must have totalled at least 20,000. It is hard to be accurate in the computation of numbers when such a multitude of people are to be counted; but the throng in Sturt street last night, if not 20,000, was at all events beyond anything seen for many years. Had the weather been fine, the gathering would have been far larger. Among the crowd we noticed many residents of Learmonth, Buninyong, Haddon, Creswick, Clunes, and Sebastopol, all of whom displayed the utmost concern in the various returns. It will be seen by the results appended to this notice that Messrs Davies and Young have been returned for Grenville, the former polling 1396 and the latter 1327. Mr George Russell, the defeated candidate, secured 1086 votes; and, taking all things into consideration, he has no cause to feel disheartened at his non-success. Mr Richardson was defeated in Creswick, in which electorate Mr Cooper headed the poll with 2992, Mr Wheeler being second, having secured 2966. Mr W. Anderson, president of Bungareeshire Council, won the third seat with 2977. Messrs Lalor and Rees were re-elected for Grant, Mr Thomas Walker, of Ballarat, failing to secure a seat for the constituency. <ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article204428886 |title=THE GENERAL ELECTION. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXI, |issue=55 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=6 March 1886 |accessdate=3 December 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise attends presentation to Serjeant on his departure to England to attend Indian and Colonial Exhibition <blockquote>'''FAREWELL TO MR R. M. SERJEANT.''' A large gathering of influential citizens took place at Craig's hotel yesterday afternoon, for the purpose of bidding farewell to Mr R. M. Serjeant on the occasion of his departure for England to be present at the Indian and Colonial Exhibition. The chair was occupied by the Mayor, of the City (Cr Salter), and the vice-chair by Mr Brophy, J.P. Light refreshments were served in excellent style by Host Bentley. The loyal toasts having been disposed of, Mr Henry Bell proposed "The Parliament of Victoria." He thought the present Parliament was a good one, and would do good work. As to the representation of Ballarat West, there had been an alteration. If it did not turn out for the better, he would try to mend it again. (Applause.). He concluded by a few complimentary remarks concerning Mr. Serjeant. The toast having been duly honored, the Hon. George Young first responded. After laudatory remarks concerning Mr Serjeant, he expressed a hope that on his return he would place his services at the disposal of the electors for the province. He hoped the Houses would work as harmoniously in the future as they had done in the past, and was sure that if the Government introduced measures for the welfare of the people the Council would support them. Colonel Smith and Mr Murphy, M's.L.A., also briefly responded. The chairman then proposed "Our Guest." The representative character of the gathering spoke volumes for their guest. His name was almost a household word with them, and in mining matters it was known throughout the colonies. All present wished that he might benefit by the change, and come back to occupy not only his present position, but in a more enlarged sphere. It had required great judgment and management to bring the Band and Albion mine to the position it now occupied. Mr Serjeant, too, had at all times shown himself ready to assist in any movement having for its object the advancement of the welfare of Ballarat. It would be a graceful tribute to appoint Mr Serjeant (as had been said by Mr Bell) a commissioner, and there was no one better able to represent the mining and other interests. After expressing wishes for Mr and Mrs Serjeant's benefit by the trip the mayor presented the guest with a handsome, illuminated address, bound in morocco, the illumination having been elegantly done by Mr W. N. Lansley. The following is the text of the address:— "To Robert Malachy Serjeant, Esq., J.P., Ballarat. Dear Sir,— Understanding that you are about to pay a visit to Europe, we feel that we cannot allow you to depart without taking the opportunity of expressing the great esteem in which you are held in this community. Your long experience in mining, especially your connection with the world-famed Band and Albion Consols, the long-continued success of which, may be truly ascribed to your efforts, together with your general character as a good sterling and honorable citizen render your absence from our midst (for ever so short a period as you contemplate being away) a loss which will be felt. We wish now to bid you God speed, and trust that you and Mrs Serjeant will have safe transit in all your travels, and that we may ere long see you amongst us again with renewed health and vigor. On behalf of your numerous friends we are, dear Sir, yours faithfully — Chas. Salter (Mayor of the City), Chairman; D. Brophy, Vice-Chairman; J. Spillman, Hon. Secretary. Ballarat, 5th April, 1886." The toast having been drunk in bumpers, Mr Serjeant responded. After a few humorous remarks as to the presentations, he referred to the present suggestions to allow the occupation of the New Hebrides islands by France. The latter Power, he remarked, was known to colonise by the sword rather than by the plough. The political programme at home seemed to be to give 3 acres and a cow to the people, yet here they were allowing millions of acres, capable of allowing 300 acres and a herd of cattle to hundreds of thousands of people to be bartered away. In addition to these islands there was Australia capable of supporting thousands more if only the capital was sent out to develop the land. The Australians who were going to the Exhibition, should speak out on this matter. He would feel it his duty to represent to the people wherever he went the true resources of the colony, and try to induce men of money to send out their capital and skilled labor, not paupers. He regarded himself as a representative of mining, having been connected with it since 1849. As long as he was connected with Ballarat he would be connected with mining. He would take every opportunity to impress upon the English people the resources of the colony for producing gold, wine, and agricultural products. He would, no doubt, meet a great number of prominent Australians, and would try to impress upon them, and through them on the Government, the necessity of keeping up the connection with the colonies. After referring to the loyalty of Australia, he spoke of Mr Froude's visit. That gentleman had asked him what were the social positions of Australians and their feelings towards the Home Government. He told them they were loyal to Great Britain, and would assist her to one man were it necessary. (Applause.) He also told him that they were living in love and amity together, and were trying to build up an Australian community, irrespective of race or creed. (Applause.) He thought the exhibition would give them an opportunity of bringing their wants and wishes before the British nation. Mr. Serjeant then again thanked the meeting for their kind present, and also for their good wishes for himself and Mrs Serjeant, and resumed his seat amidst applause. A motion was then carried, on the proposition of Mr Brophy, seconded by Mr Cotter, to the effect that a telegram be sent to the Premier, asking him to appoint Mr Serjeant a commissioner to the Exhibition. The following toasts were then honored:— "The City and Town of Ballarat," proposed by Mr Baird and responded to by ex-Mayor Morrison; "The Mining, Commercial, Agricultural, Pastoral, and Manufacturing Interests," proposed by Mr Anderson, and responded to by Messrs Hickman, Brophy, Bath, and Fitzgerald; "The Press," proposed by Mr Sewell, and responded to by the representatives present; "The Ladies," proposed by Mr Stoddart, and responded to by Mr McDonald; "The Chairman," proposed by Mr Serjeant, and responded to by the Mayor; and "The Hon. Secretary," proposed by Mr '''Bechervaise''', and responded, to by Mr Spillman. The proceedings then terminated.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article204430167 |title=FAREWELL TO MR R. M. SERJEANT. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXI, |issue=81 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=6 April 1886 |accessdate=3 December 2020 |page=4 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1886 04===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Bechervaise as vice-president of Electric Telegraph Rowing Club <blockquote>'''ELECTRIC TELEGRAPH ROWING CLUB.''' The following are the results of the heats rowed in the above club's Challenge Fours, on Saturday afternoon, for trophies presented by the vice-presidents, Messrs. '''W. P. Bechervaise''', G. S. Caldwell, T. Gay and J. F. Hayes:— First Heat.— S. Schlam (stroke), R. Carson, W. Hatch and A. Tymms v. F. J. Matthews (stroke), J. R. McKinnon, T. B. Taylor and A. Dehais, resulted in a win for the former by 2 lengths. Second Heat.— T. Howard (stroke), C. Wild, C. Miller and O. Phillips v. A. Barclay (stroke), J. R. Jackson, D. Collins and J. Cooke. The latter crew proved too good for the other and won comfortably. Third Heat.— C. Hall (stroke), J. Moloney, C. Traversi and C. Berthon v. F. O. Johnston (stroke), W. Drummond, J. Blake and T. Vowles. A good race for half the distance, when Hall's crew drew ahead and won by about a length and a-half. Fourth Heat.— C. Joynes (stroke), C. Peretz, V. S Azzopardi and W. Armstrong v. Schlam's crew, winners of first heat. The crews rowed alongside one another to the pontoon corner, when Schlam, having the advantage of south side, secured the lead and won by three-quarters of a length. Fifth Heat.— Barclay's crew v. Hall's crew was won by the former by a clear length, after leading from the start. The final heat of the Electric Telegraph Rowing Club's four-oar races, between A. Barclay (stroke), J. R. Jackson, D. Collins and J. Cooke, and S. Schlam (stroke), R. Carson, W. Hatch, and A. Tymms, was decided on Tuesday last, and resulted in a win for the latter crew by two lengths. Ten crews have entered for pair oar races, to take place next Saturday afternoon. <ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article198050315 |title=ELECTRIC TELEGRAPH ROWING CLUB. |newspaper=[[Leader]] |issue=1580 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=17 April 1886 |accessdate=3 December 2020 |page=21 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise to captain one of the boats for the Ballarat Yacht Club officers' race <blockquote>There will be two sailing events at Lake Wendouree tomorrow. In the officers' race Messrs '''Bechervaise''', Mann, Gale, and Downie will draw for the pick of the following yachts:— Ballarat, Pinafore, Flying Scud, and Reporter.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article204431152 |title=No title |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXI, |issue=101 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=30 April 1886 |accessdate=3 December 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1886 05===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Bechervaise leads a farewell for one of his telegraph operators <blockquote>One of the most popular amongst the operators engaged at the Ballarat Telegraph Office, Mr Bennett, on Saturday took his departure for Sandhurst, where he was formerly engaged as an operator. The change was a sudden one, but Mr Bennett's fellow employes felt that they could not allow him to depart without giving him some token of the esteem in which he was held. Mr '''Bechervaise''', the post and telegraph master, made the presentation, which consisted of a travelling bag, on behalf of his subordinates. In doing so he referred in complimentary terms to the manner in which Mr Bennett had discharged his duties, and wished him every success in his new sphere of labor. The recipient suitably replied, referring to the amicable terms on which he had been with his fellow employes, whom he thanked heartily for their kind gift. Mr Bennett, we may remark, was not alone a zealous servant of the State, but was at all times courteous and obliging to the public. He had not been long in Ballarat, but had evidently remained long enough to gain the esteem of his fellow-employes, and the good wishes of many of the public. <ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article204431257 |title=No title |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXI, |issue=103 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=3 May 1886 |accessdate=4 December 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise acts as post judge at races of Ballarat City Rowing Club <blockquote>'''AQUATICS.''' The Ballarat City Rowing Club concluded their races for the officers' trophies last evening, when Laughlin's crew met Anwyl's crew for the final heat. Much interest was manifested in the event, and several well-known oarsmen assembled at the club's boat-house to witness the contest. Notwithstanding the bleak, wintry weather experienced during the past few weeks in preparation for these races, the crews attended very assiduously and underwent a careful preparation for the coveted prize. Punctually at the appointed time the two crews were ready, and with the veteran oarsman, Mr John Dobson, as starter, a good even start was effected. Both crews caught the water together, and a very close contested race ensued right down to the last island, when it was seen that Anwyl's crew assumed the lead, and cleverly won the event by a little over a length. Mr Vice-president '''Bechervaise''' acted as post judge, and a hearty cheer went up for the winners, viz., J. Anwyl, stroke; T. Hynan, 3; F. Dawson, 2; R. Oldham, bow; and Archibald Dawson, cox. The presentation of the prizes will be made at a meeting of the club on an early date, as is the usual custom.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article204431337 |title=AQUATICS. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXI, |issue=104 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=4 May 1886 |accessdate=4 December 2020 |page=4 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise starter for Press Yacht Race on Lake Wendouree <blockquote>The Press Yacht Race, which has become an annual event in the programme of the B.Y.C., and in which the tillers of the Wendouree yachts were handled by representatives of the local and metropolitan press, was sailed off on Saturday, at the lake, and excited a good deal of interest. The prize competed for on this occasion was a trophy, value five guineas, presented by Mr J. Murray, an active member of the club's committee. Six representative skippers put in an appearance in reply to the invitations sent by the club, and the draw for boats resulted as follows:— Viola, Star (Mr H. Schafer); Flying Scud, Evening Post (Mr W. Downie); Reporter, Courier (Mr G. B. Hogg); Darlie Bay, Argus (Mr J. Nash); Victoria, Australasian (Mr R. E. William's); Ballarat, Telegraph (Mr T. Jones. A stiff north-westerly breeze was blowing, and, after a little preliminary time spent in picking up buoys, the yachts were sent away on the starboard tack to Garden Island ('''Bechervaise''' starter), the race being three times round the sailing course. The Garden Island buoy was rounded first by the Victoria, followed by the Reporter, Darlie Bay, Viola, Ballarat, and Scud, in that order. The Viola endeavored to set a spinnaker in the run down after passing Brace's but the scheme was frustrated by the boom breaking. No alteration in the order took place until the yachts passed View Point, where the Reporter, through an attempt to cut it a little fine, carried away the lamppost at the extremity of the pier, but got clear away again after a little trouble. Rounding the buoy off Gill's, the Viola, by some neat handling, cut in from fourth place and assumed the lead. The Darlie Bay, however, shorted superior sailing powers in running up to the gardens' buoy, which she again succeeded in rounding first. The Ballarat had come up well into third place, but just before reaching the buoy her mast went by the board, and she had to be towed back disabled. The Viola shook out a reef in an endeavor to catch the Darlie, whose crew followed suit. The latter maintained her lead from this out to the finish, closely attended by the Viola, which finished a good second, the Victoria being third. The Reporter and the Scud, the former of which had her boom broken, did not finish. At the conclusion of the race an adjournment was made to the club-room, where a number of toasts were honored. Commodore Morey occupied the chair, and in a few suitable words presented the trophy to the winner, who briefly replied. The toast of "The Donor" was proposed by Mr W. Bailey, and responded to by Mr Murray. The latter proposed the health of the winner, which was duly honored, and Mr Nash responded. The toast of "The Press" was proposed by Mr B. Hepburn, and responded to by the various representatives present, and the toast of "The Chairman" brought the proceedings to a close. The yachting season will be wound up by a crews' race on Saturday next, to be followed by a supper given by Mr T. Gill to the crews. <ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article204431527 |title=No title |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXI, |issue=109 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=10 May 1886 |accessdate=4 December 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Fraud by James Campbell Macaw at Ballarat Post Office under Bechervaise's watch <blockquote>The news that a young man named James Campbell Macaw, who for some time past has been in charge of the money order and savings bank department at the Ballarat Post-office, had been arrested on a charge of embezzlement caused some excitement yesterday amongst those by whom it was known. The charge laid against Macaw is embezzling £150, but we understand that his defalcations amount to between £500 and £600. The plan by which the money was appropriated was a very simple one, and it is a wonder that the delinquent was not discovered sooner. When a sum of money is deposited in the Savings Bank the amount is entered in the depositor's pass-book and stamped. As soon as the money is transmitted to the head office a printed receipt form is forwarded to the depositor announcing that so much money has been received by the Postmaster-General and lodged to the credit of the depositor. Too frequently, however, these documents are merely glanced at by the recipients, without comparing the amounts. Macaw would seem to have calculated upon this carelessness on the part of the public, and carried out his system of fraud accordingly. The passbooks have, it is presumed, been correctly entered and stamped, but in making out his returns for the Postmaster General, Macaw, it is stated, only accounted for a portion of the moneys he received. In one instance a depositor waited in vain for an acknowledgment from the head office. Not receiving it, he communicated with the Postmaster-General. An investigation was thereupon made into Macaw's accounts, when other discrepancies were found. Detective Lomax, who is connected with the Post-office Department, then swore an information against him before Mr Call, P.M., and on the strength of this a warrant was issued for Macaw's arrest. This Detective Lomax executed on Saturday night, and the accused was lodged in the City lockup. Yesterday morning Mr Heinz, butcher, of Bridge street, and Mr Bell, sharebroker, went surety for Macaw's appearance to answer to the charge in the sum of £200 each. Macaw having entered into his own recognisance of £400 he was liberated, on the order of Mr Cooper, J.P. The accused is a young man of gentlemanly appearance and manners, and was in receipt, we are informed, of £270 a year. He is married, and has one child, and his wife, we are informed, is near her second confinement. His father died only a short time since. Macaw will be charged at the City Court this morning with embezzling £150, entrusted to the Postmaster-General. An application will then be made for an adjournment until tomorrow, when a further adjournment for a week will be applied for to enable the police to gather materials for the prosecution. We are informed that Macaw has confessed to defalcations amounting to between £500 and £600. The cause of his crime is said to have been gambling. No blame whatever can attach to the management of the office in Ballarat, as Macaw's records always tallied with the moneys handed by him to his superior officer. The carelessness of the depositors in not seeing that their acknowledgments from the head office were correct is, we are informed, alone to blame for the defalcations not being found out sooner. <ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article204431527 |title=No title |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXI, |issue=109 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=10 May 1886 |accessdate=4 December 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Macaw loses his bail sureties <blockquote>Owing to the two gentlemen who had gone bail for J. C. Macaw, who stands charged with embezzling £150 of moneys entrusted to the Postmaster-General, refusing to be bound over any longer as sureties in his behalf the accused was removed to the City lockup. All attempts to secure bail had failed at a late hour last night, and Macaw was still in the lockup. We are informed on good authority that the accused has handed to the authorities a written confession of his crime. In it, if we are rightly informed, Macaw gives full particulars of the exact amounts appropriated by him, the dates on which the peculations were committed, and the manner in which he proceeded to work. The accuracy of the statements in The Star of yesterday has been fully borne out. The amount stated to have been appropriated is close upon £600, and the period during which the accused has been helping himself to the public moneys is said to have extended over several months. The only possible way of discovering the frauds was by means of the depositors, and they have evidently been very careless in the matter of their receipts. Had these been carefully looked for and examined, the fraud must have been discovered within a few days of the first offence.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article204431573 |title=No title |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXI, |issue=110 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=11 May 1886 |accessdate=4 December 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Hearing of charges against Macaw, Bechervaise a witness <blockquote>'''THE POST OFFICE SAVINGS BANK FRAUDS.''' The charges against, James C. Macaw of embezzling certain moneys while in charge of the Ballarat branch of the Post Office Savings Bank were heard yesterday morning at the City Police Court, before Messrs Greenfield, Shoppee, Richards, and Stalker, J's.P. Mr T. Mann appeared for the prosecution, and Mr Wynne for the accused. There were three charges entered against him, viz., of embezzling £150 deposited on the 16th April by one James C. McFarland; also the sum of £100 deposited on the same date by one William G. Craig, and on the 27th April the sum of £99 deposited by one Robert Graham. Mr Mann asked that the evidence on the whole three charges should be taken together in order to facilitate dealing with the case, to which the bench consented. The following evidence was taken:— James Craig McFarland, the first witness called, deposed that he was a miner residing at Steiglitz, and had an account at the Ballarat branch of the Post-office Savings Bank. Witness had deposited £150 in the bank on the 16th April last, and gave the money to Macaw. The amount had been duly entered in his passbook, and initialled by the accused, Witness was accompanied by a mate named W. G. Craig. William Gibson Craig, also a miner residing at Steiglitz, deposed that he had also an account at the Ballarat branch of the Post-office Savings Bank. On the 16th April last, witness deposited £100 in the bank, and handed the money and his passbook to Macaw. The entry in his passbook had been correctly made and initialled. Robert Graham, a laborer residing at Illabarook, deposed to having lodged in the bank the sum of £100 on the 27th April last. The accused was at the counter, and witness handed the money to him. It was witness' first deposit. Accused handed wit-ness a passbook, in which, in his presence, he entered the amount of the deposit and initialled it. William Phillip '''Bechervaise''', postmaster, deposed that the accused was solely in charge of the money order and savings bank branch of the office. His duties were to receive an amount from witness on opening in the morning, and during the day to issue and pay money-orders, and to pay savings bank warrants, and receive savings bank deposits,, and at the end of the day to hand the balance of his cash to witness for banking. As soon as his daily statements were made up they were submitted to witness with the books, and checked and signed. When a deposit was received the clerk's duties were to make an entry of the date and amount in the depositor's passbook, initial it, and affix the date stamp. After that he made a copy of the entry in the Savings Bank deposit and withdrawal book. The sheet was torn off at the end of the day and passed in to witness, and the block with corresponding particulars was kept. On the daily statement handed in on the 16th April by the accused there was no entry of the deposit made by McFarland, nor was there any entry of Craig's deposit on the same date. The entry of Graham's deposit of £100 on the 27th April appeared on the statement as £1. From information received from the department on the night of the 7th May, witness wrote a memorandum to the accused. Accused came into his office as usual on the Saturday morning and asked whether witness had anything for him. Witness said, "I have something very serious for you." Witness then handed him the memorandum, as follows:— "Memorandum, Mr Macaw — You will explain in writing at once why two deposits, as below described, have not been reported in your accounts:— April 16, W. G. Craig deposited £100; April 16, J. C. McFarland deposited £150.— '''W. P. Bechervaise''', Postmaster." Accused read it and said, "I shall be able to find it in the accounts." Witness said, "Very well, go and find it, and don't be long." As he did not return in a little while, witness went to his room, and found him there looking at the blocks of the Savings Bank book. Witness said, "There should be no difficulty in putting your hand upon the amount. Can't you find it?" He said "No." Witness told him to come into his room, and there asked him — "Did you receive this money?" He replied, "Yes." Witness said, "What have you done with it?" to which he answered, "Used it." Witness asked whether there were any other amounts, and he said "Yes." Witness said, "Many," and he replied, "Yes." Witness asked, "Do you know how much, and he said, "Yes, to the penny." Witness told him to go and reply to the memorandum in writing at the foot. He asked what he had better do, and witness told him he should make a clean breast of it. The accused then went and wrote the following reply to his memorandum at the foot:— "Memo, for the Postmaster, Ballarat. Sir, — It is with extreme regret I confess that I have used the money above referred to for my own private purposes. These are not the only instances in which I have done wrong, but I shall prepare a full statement for the postmaster by this evening, and hand same to him. My M.O. books, postal notes, and Savings Bank books are correct. I shall be prepared to do all in my power to make reparation for the wrong I have done, and my effects will cover what I am short, I think.— James C. Macaw." When the accused handed in the reply witness suspended him from duty, and asked him if he could furnish a statement of the moneys not accounted for by him. He promised to do so, and bring it at half-past 6 that evening, which he did. The statement, which was here handed in, showed a total of £577, made up of 12 amounts which had been taken since the 4th September, 1885. In three instances £1 had been paid into the credit of depositors, and in the other cases nothing at all. The following footnote was attached:— "Memo for the Postmaster, Ballarat.— This is a correct statement of my defalcations, compiled from memoranda I have kept. The amount column shows the deposit lodged, and the remark column the amount I have credited on the opening of a new account. I throw myself upon the mercy of the department, and if given an opportunity can make the amount of my defalcations good. All I can urge in expiation of what I have done is that being in expectation of money under my father's will I was in hopes of making the amount good.— James C. Macaw." In cross-examination by Mr Wynne, the witness said the statement would unquestionably be of assistance to the department in setting matters right. Witness had known the accused as an officer of the department for a great many years. He was a good officer, attentive to his duties, and until these matters arose had always been correct in his accounts. He had an assistant clerk employed with him in the Savings' Bank. The accused was a married man, and witness believed his wife was in delicate health. John Broadhurst Boothman, ledger-keeper in the Melbourne Post-office Savings' Bank, deposed that he had charge of the ledger containing the accounts of the Ballarat branch. No statements containing entries of the deposits by McFarland, Craig, or Graham had reached him. To Mr Wynne — Some of the depositors were very irregular in sending in their passbooks for audit, and sometimes they did not come in for years. The statement of moneys taken would most decidedly be of assistance to the department. Detective Lomax deposed to the arrest of the accused, who had made no statement in connection with the case. Mr Mann wished to correct a statement as to the check upon the frauds in connection with the Post-office. As each depositor received a receipt from the head office, there was, in reality, a most effective check, which, in this instance, had led to the detection of the frauds. The bench committed the accused to take his trial at the sittings of the Supreme Court in Ballarat on the 4th June. Bail was allowed in the same amount as before.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article204431961 |title=THE POST OFFICE SAVINGS BANK FRAUDS. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXI, |issue=117 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=19 May 1886 |accessdate=4 December 2020 |page=4 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1886 06===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> The Macaw matter concludes with a lenient judge sentencing 12 months hard labour, Bechervaise character witness <blockquote>'''THE POST OFFICE SAVINGS BANK FRAUDS.''' James Campbell Macaw, recently in charge of the Ballarat branch of the Post-office Savings Bank, and charged with the embezzlement of various sums deposited there, was arraigned at the Assize Court yesterday before his Honor Judge Cope. The prisoner pleaded guilty to the charges brought against him. Mr Finlayson, who appeared for him, asked to be allowed to call witnesses as to character, before his Honor passed sentence upon him. He had also been requested by the prisoner to state the causes which had led to his taking the money. Some years ago he had endorsed a bill for a friend, and of course had to meet it. To meet it he had had to borrow money at an exorbitant interest. He had speculated from time to time in the hope of clearing it off, and in a moment of weakness he had taken these moneys. Mr Finlayson said the evidence showed that it was more weakness than criminality on the part of the prisoner. The Rev. J. W. Inglis, who was then called, said he had known the prisoner from boyhood. He was an exemplary husband, and in his opinion the causes mentioned by Mr Finlayson were the right ones. Mr '''W. P. Bechervaise''', postmaster, deposed that Macaw had for seven or eight years been under his immediate supervision. He had always been one of the very best officers witness had known in the service, and had always done his duty well and willingly, and, had given witness great satisfaction. The following letter was written by the prisoner's wife to the judge:— "To his Honor Judge Cope,— Your Honor,— As the wife of Mr James Campbell Macaw, who will plead guilty to a charge of embezzlement whilst an officer in the Post Office Savings Bank at Ballarat, I trust you will pardon my presumption in addressing you. I feel constrained to do so, as I am now left with two innocent babies unprovided for. I am naturally of a delicate constitution, and the sad trial that I have been called on to pass through is worse to me than death. Oh, Sir! it is impossible for me to write what I have endured since this terrible calamity came on me. No words I could write would adequately convey an idea of my sufferings and despair. The disgrace brought on my dear husband, who, up to the moment he was arrested, I believed incapable of doing a dishonorable act, much less a dishonest one. Since my marriage no person could have had a kinder or more thoughtful husband than mine has been to me. Now all my happiness is gone, and here I am left with two helpless babies, and no one to assist me. God help me! Sir, it is these feelings that compel me to plead for mercy for my unfortunate husband, and if I was able I would make my appeal in person. No sentence you can pass on him will be a greater punishment than he has endured for months past. Since his arrest his sufferings have been great indeed, and if any one has repented and suffered for his wrongdoing, my dear husband has. I cannot, and do not, Sir, excuse my husband for what he has done. I know he had done wrong, poor fellow, he has never for a moment endeavored in any way to excuse himself. Whilst knowing it is your duty to vindicate the law, I plead, sir, for leniency for my sake and my two babes. We are innocent, and we will, Sir, have the heaviest burden to bear. Oh, Sir, just think of my delicate, helpless, and disgraced position. Ashamed to meet my own friends, and those who were once pretended friends will now shun me. No home, nothing but misery before me, and all through no fault of mine. Just one small ray of hope is left to help me and induce me to live, and that is that if I am spared to earn sufficient to keep myself and little ones whilst my husband is undergoing his punishment, he may come out of prison to be a father to his children, even should I be taken away. I do not know whether you will hand this letter to the press, but if you do I pray that the terrible sufferings which I and my husband have endured may be a lesson and warning to others not to break the law. I can say no more, but leave myself and little ones in your hands, praying that He who is Judge over all, and Whose ear is ever open to the cry of the helpless, will incline your heart to be merciful in your sentence, and make my punishment somewhat lighter than it is, as truly in this case the innocent ones are the real sufferers. I have the honor to be, Sir, your most obedient and humble servant,— Retteena Macaw." His Honor, in sentencing the prisoner, commented on the nature of the offence, remarking that a man usually began by taking small sums and going on to larger. Any sentence the court could pass would not be equal to the sentence the public had already passed upon him. The prisoner might have thrown away seven years of his life. Under the circumstances, however, the sentence of the court was that he be imprisoned and kept to hard labor for 12 calendar months.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article204432736 |title=THE POST OFFICE SAVINGS BANK FRAUDS. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXI, |issue=132 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=5 June 1886 |accessdate=4 December 2020 |page=4 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise supervises tests at Ballarat end of the Hebden telephone <blockquote>'''NEWS OF THE DAY.''' . . . A series of experiments with the Hebden telephone, which is a comparatively recent invention, took place yesterday morning at the Melbourne Central Telegraph Office and the Ballarat office. At Melbourne there were present Messrs. G. Smibert, J. W. Payter, H. W. Jenvey, C. Miller and Quarry, officers of the Telegraph department; Mr. Fox, agent for the inventor, and other gentlemen, and at Ballarat, Mr. '''Bechervaise''', the head of the local office, Mr. F. Hebden, the inventor of the telephone which was tested, and others were in attendance. Various messages were spoken to Ballarat and back, the instrument working excellently, the words spoken by the gentlemen in the Ballarat office being distinctly audible to those at the Melbourne end. Several experiments were made by increasing and reducing the strength of the battery, used, but with scarcely any perceptible difference as regards the transmission of the sound. It was, however, not so easy to catch what was said when the duplex telegraph instrument was being worked simultaneously with the telephone. It is the opinion of the officers of the Telegraph department present that it will be necessary to have a trial of the telephone on a week day during the time that ordinary business is proceeding before it can be stated with certainty that the messages can be sent, over the wires while telegraphic work is going on, as allowances have to be made for the induction which then takes place. The Crossley telephone, which is in use in the Telegraph department, was also tried yesterday with Ballarat and found to work well. Mr. Hebden's telephone is now in use on several long distance circuits in New Zealand, the longest being between Christchurch and Timaru, which places are 100 miles apart. The invention is not yet patented in Victoria, but the chief advantage which it is claimed to possess over other instruments now in use is produced by the method of preparation of carbon and the application of this substance to the transmitter and discs.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article190854217 |title=NEWS OF THE DAY. |newspaper=[[The Age]] |issue=9770 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=14 June 1886 |accessdate=19 December 2020 |page=5 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise acquaintance Cazaly suspended for fraud against Benevolent Asylum <blockquote>Considerable surprise was expressed last night amongst those by whom it was known at a report to the effect that Mr. Peter Cazaly, an old and respected public officer, had been suspended pending a special audit of his accounts. We are informed that the investigation was ordered owing to an allegation that certain donations that had been received for the Benevolent Asylum, for which Mr Cazaly is secretary, had not been entered in the cash-book for several days after they were received. The matter was considered by a sub-committee last night, when, we are informed, it was unanimously resolved that Mr Cazaly be suspended from office, pending the report of the special auditors.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article204433205 |title=No title |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXI, |issue=141 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=16 June 1886 |accessdate=4 December 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1886 07===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Bechervaise relieves Campbell as telegraphy lecturer while latter indisposed <blockquote>Mr W. D. Campbell, lecturer on telegraphy at the School of Mines, is at present indisposed, and unable to attend to the classes. The duties of the lecturer are, however, in the meantime being taken by Mr '''W. P. Bechervaise''', local post and telegraph master. <ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article204434475 |title=No title |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXI, |issue=161 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=14 July 1886 |accessdate=5 December 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise gathers donations to assist the family of Cazaly <blockquote>A meeting of gentlemen interested in the family of Mr P. Cazaly was held at Lester's hotel, last evening. Mr '''Bechervaise''' explained to those present the objects of the meeting and handed in a list of contributions amounting to a fair sum, ranging from £25 a guinea. The following letter was read:— "Dear Mr '''Bechervaise''',— My duties at the Liedertafel prevent me from being present this evening. I, however, drop you a line by way of saying that I am cordially with you in your kind-hearted endeavors to soften the blow that has so unexpectedly fallen on the family of our old townsman, Peter Cazaly. His indiscretion has brought its inevitable punishment. Nevertheless I, in common with many old citizens, cannot shut our eyes to the fact that Peter has during the past 30 years done immense service to the community, and the present would appear to be the time when a recompense can most appropriately be rendered him. Be good enough, therefore, to put me down on your list for £10 as my contribution in part liquidation of the debt Ballarat appears to be in danger of forgetting is due to him. — Believe me, sincerely yours, John Robson."<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article204435210 |title=No title |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXI, |issue=174 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=29 July 1886 |accessdate=4 December 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1886 08===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Bechervaise attends meeting of Eureka Stockade Memorial Committee, progressing well <blockquote>At a meeting of the Eureka Stockade Memorial Committee yesterday — present, Messrs A. T. Morrison, Roff, Dyte, '''Bechervaise''', Theo. Williams, and Hall —it was mentioned that several large blocks of stone had been delivered on the site of the stockade, ready for lifting into their places on the mound. When this is done, the guns at pre-sent lying on the spot will be mounted on their carriages and "run up" — to use an artilleryman's phrase — to the corners set apart for them. The meeting yesterday passed a hearty vote of thanks to Mr A. T. Morrison, their secretary, for the valuable assistance which he had given the movement.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article210834386 |title=No title |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXI, |issue=198 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=26 August 1886 |accessdate=4 December 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise part of deputation from Memorial Committee which presents the memorial to Ballarat Town Council <blockquote>'''TOWN COUNCIL.''' Friday, 27th August. Present — The Mayor, Crs Williams, Long, Elsworth, Ferguson, Walker, Murphy, Roff, and Scott. . . . The Eureka Stockade Memorial.— Messrs Dyte, A. T. Morrison, and '''Bechervaise''' attended as a deputation, and presented to the council the Eureka Stockade memorial. Remarks suitable to the occasion were made by the gentlemen abovenamed. The deputation was introduced by Cr Williams. The council returned thanks for the present, and then resumed. On the motion of Cr Scott, seconded by Cr Walker, the memorial was formally accepted from the committee. Complimentary reference was made to the valuable assistance rendered the committee by the Town engineer, Mr King. <ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article210834564 |title=TOWN COUNCIL. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXI, |issue=200 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=28 August 1886 |accessdate=5 December 2020 |page=4 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> As previous, further detail <blockquote>Messrs A. T. Morrison, '''W. P. Bechervaise''', and Charles Dyte attended the Eastern Council Chambers yesterday, and formally presented the council with the Eureka Stockade memorial, which is now in an almost complete state on the historic diggings. It was stated by Mr Dyte — Mr Morrison being unable to speak through a severe cold — that the receipts for the memorial had been £330 10s 3d, and that this sum had been spent on the work, less 16s. About £20 were required to complete the monument, and in handing it over, the committee expected the council would defray the cost of the finishing touches. The present was accepted with thanks. Subsequently, a little speech-making in connection with the affair took place in the mayor's room, when the health of the "Memorial Committee" was drunk with enthusiasm. Mr Morrison and his co-workers received a good deal of praise for the manner in which they had worked for the memorial, and Mr Morrison, in acknowledging the compliment, said that Mr H. A. King, the engineer, was entitled to the hearty thanks of the council and of the old pioneers for his professional assistance. Mr Morrison next proposed the "Health of the Mayor and Councillors of Ballarat East," to which Mr Russell suitably replied, stating that he would plant four oak trees in the memorial reserve, in order to further beautify the place.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article210834511 |title=No title |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXI, |issue=200 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=28 August 1886 |accessdate=5 December 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> As previous, further detail <blockquote>'''BALLARAT.''' (FROM OUR CORRESPONDENT.) FRIDAY EVENING. Messrs. '''Bechervaise''', A. T. Morrison, and others, representing the Eureka Stockade Memorial Committee, waited upon the Town Council at their meeting this afternoon, and formally handed over to the corporation the Eureka Memorial Monument, on the understanding that the council should put the masonry of the monument in order, and place the cannon in position, the subsidence of the ground being now complete. The council accepted the trust, and undertook to finish the erection of the memorial column.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article11570800 |title=BALLARAT. |newspaper=[[The Argus (Melbourne)]] |issue=12,535 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=28 August 1886 |accessdate=5 December 2020 |page=10 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1886 09===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Bechervaise re-elected a vice-president of the Electric Telegraph Rowing Club <blockquote>The annual meeting of the Electric Telegraph Rowing Club was held at Morell's Hotel, Bourke-Street, on Saturday evening last, and passed off very successfully. Between 60 and 70 members attended. After doing justice to a substantial supper, the report and balance sheet (particulars of which were given in last week's issue) were unanimously adopted. The election of office bearers for the ensuing season was then proceeded with, and resulted as follows:— President, Mr. F. T. Derham, Postmaster-General; vice-presidents, Messrs. '''W. P. Bechervaise''', T. Gay, J. F. Hayes and C. Miller; captain, Mr. F. Johnston; vice-captain, Mr. C. R. Hall; treasurer, Mr. R. G. Beagley; secretary, Mr. M. H. Fitzgerald; committee, Messrs. A. Barclay, T. Howard and S. Schlamm; delegate to the Victorian Rowing Association, Mr. C. Miller. It was announced that Mr. G. Mayger, who was present as a guest, had intimated his intention of encouraging the young officers in the Tele-graph department to become members of the club by offering a £5 5s. cup, to be rowed for in clinker sculling boats, and that Mr. C. Miller, one of the vice-presidents, would give £10 10s. for prizes for a pair oared race amongst the members of the club. It is almost needless to say that both these gentlemen received hearty votes of thanks for their donations. Some excellent songs and recitations by members of the club wound up the evening. <ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article198354528 |title=ROWING NOTES. |newspaper=[[Leader]] |issue=1601 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=11 September 1886 |accessdate=5 December 2020 |page=20 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise to be farwelled before his two months intercolonial holiday <blockquote>Mr '''Bechervaise''', the local post and telegraph master, having obtained a two months' leave of absence, will start tomorrow on an intercolonial trip. We understand that it is the intention of the employes under Mr '''Bechervaise''' to entertain him at the George hotel this evening. Mr D. Mickle will act as post and telegraph master during Mr '''Bechervaise's''' absence.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article210835633 |title=No title |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXI, |issue=220 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=21 September 1886 |accessdate=5 December 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise departs Ballarat on two months long service leave <blockquote>'''Mr W. P. Bechervaise''', the City post and telegraph master, left on Wednesday night on his holiday trip, and was wished bon voyage by a number of friends who assembled to wish him well. Yesterday Mr '''Bechervaise''' left Melbourne for Tasmania by the steamer Flinders. After a brief run through the little island it is his intention to take steamer to New Zealand, thence to Sydney, and return to Victoria. He will probably be absent a little over two months.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article210835793 |title=No title |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXI, |issue=223 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=24 September 1886 |accessdate=5 December 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise departs Melbourne on the SS Flinders for Launceston <blockquote>'''SHIPPING INTELLIGENCE. HOBSON'S BAY.''' . . . CLEARED OUT.— SEPT. 23. . . . Flinders, s.s., 1,000 tons, Adam Drysdale, for Launceston. Passengers — saloon: Mesdames Meedon, Tregea, Brown, Lamb, Macrow, Misses Aitken, Harrison, Brown, Howe, Froomes, Morrison, Messrs. '''Bechervaise''', Mitchell, Elwell, J. Blackburn, J. Henderson, Fischell, H. M. Moon, A. S. Low, J. P. Peirce, E. M. D. Longden, Kinler, Fitch, H. J. James, Ransom, D. S. Peacock, Falkingham, Meedon, Lamprell, Bye; and 35 in the steerage. Chas. Hudson, agent.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article11573824 |title=SHIPPING INTELLIGENCE. HOBSON'S BAY. |newspaper=[[The Argus (Melbourne)]] |issue=12,558 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=24 September 1886 |accessdate=6 December 2020 |page=4 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise elected starter and sailing committee member of the Ballarat Yacht Club at annual general meeting <blockquote>'''BALLARAT YACHT CLUB.''' The annual meeting of the Ballarat Yacht Club was held last evening at Pobjoy’s Unicorn hotel. Commodore Morey occupied the chair. Annual Report.— The secretary (Mr W. Downie) read the annual report, which was adopted, as follows:— "Gentlemen,— In presenting you with the ninth annual report for the season 1885-6, your committee have pleasure in recording that, notwithstanding a comparatively dull period, a considerable amount of interest, with a fair measure of financial success, is the outcome. This, in a great degree, is due to the valuable trophies donated by patrons, the eclat given to the opening proceedings when his Excellency Sir Henry Loch, with a large number of his distinguished visitors were present, and the efforts; of the officers and committee to conduce to the convenience and comfort of members and visitors on every occasion throughout the somewhat lengthy season, which practically opened on the 8th October, and closed on the 15th May. Besides the opening ceremonial, which afforded a very fine aquatic spectacle, and gained for the club considerable kudos, the season's proceedings embraced an annual regatta, and about 30 weekly contests for the various prizes so liberally donated. The Argus Trophy, which commenced on the 10th October, was won by the Darlie Bay, after four events; the second, Mr D. Ham's prize, was appropriated by the Ballarat after eight events, and a tie with the Pinafore; the third was Mr T. Bath's presentation, which fell to the Darlie Bay after five events; the fourth, Mr B. Hepburn's trophy, was also won by the Darlie Bay, after seven events and a tie with the Viola. This was followed by a race between the Queenscliff fishermen, on the occasion of their annual excursion to Ballarat, when the yacht-owners generously placed their craft at the disposal of the visitors, and the committee subscribed £6 as prize-money for the occasion. The Club Officers' Race came next, and Mr T. Mann (hon. treasurer) won the prize — a handsome piece of plate, presented by Commodore Morey — with the Reporter. The Press Race was next in order, and the Darlie Bay, sailed by Mr Nash (Argus), was the victor of a £5 trophy, presented by Mr John Murray; the season closing with the Crews' Race for prizes subscribed by members of the committee, and a supper given in the evening by Mr T. Gill. Owing to the yachts of the Wendouree fleet being presumedly considered too superior to compete in their class at both the Geelong and Colac regattas, they were excluded, and thus a considerable amount of interest on both occasions was shorn from both; although Mr R. Taylor took his yacht Victoria to the latter place and won the first prize in the open race. While this exclusion from competing on other waters may have detracted from the prestige that has been increasing year by year since the inception of the club, it was beneficial in other ways, for more continuous local competition and interest resulted. The skiff contests which were initiated last season were, from some unaccountable cause, not followed up, although a £5 trophy was offered by Mr R. W. Holmes. One matter was apparently lost sight of during the season, namely, the suggestion made by Mr B. Hepburn that a ladies' trophy be instituted, and this it is hoped the incoming committee will endeavor to initiate during the ensuing term. The warmest thanks of the club are due to the Hon. Philip Russell (president) and other prominent members of the club for handsome donations; to Vice-presidents B. Hepburn and T. Bath; the Hon. D. Ham, Mr J. Murray, Mr R. W. Holmes, and the proprietors of the Argus for valuable trophies presented during the past year; and also to Messrs B. Hepburn, T. Bath, M. McKenzie, J. P. McPherson, and the proprietors of the Argus for trophies promised for the ensuing season. In conclusion, your committee desire to tender their hearty thanks to all who rendered asssistance by their presence or otherwise in connection with the club's proceedings, and trust that the ensuing season may be even more successful than any that have gone before.— E. Morey, Commodore; W. Downie, Hon. Secretary." The report and balance-sheet were received and adopted. Elections.— The following office-bearers were elected for the ensuing year:— Patron, Sir W. J. Clarke; president, Hon. P. Russell; vice-presidents, Messrs B. Hepburn, T. Bath, Hon. D. Ham, J. P. McPherson, Hon. H. Gore; commodore, Mr E. Morey; vice-commodore, Mr W. Bailey; captain, Mr T. Bailey; judge, Mr W. Gale; starter, Mr '''W. P. Bechervaise'''; secretary, Mr W. Downie; treasurer, Mr J. Murray; timekeeper, Mr R. W. Holmes; sailing committee, Messrs J. Murray, J. Curthoys, J. Davies, R. W. Holmes, A. Monsbourgh, and '''W. P. Bechervaise'''; executive committee, the mayors of the City and Town, Lieut.-Col. Smith, and Messrs T. Stoddart, J. Hickman, E. Millard, R. Orr, R. Goodall, J. Phillips, J. Ferguson, T. Gill, E. Williams, A. J. E. Morey, O. E. Edwards, M. Griffiths, W. Scott, C. H. J. Walker, R. Hager, and J. Ivey. General Business.— The formal opening of the season was fixed to take place on Saturday, 16th October next. It was decided that Mr J. P. McPherson's trophy be the first to be competed for. The commodore stated that on a day to be fixed he would entertain the members and their families at the gardens. Vote of Thanks.— A special vote of thanks was passed to Mr T. Mann, for valuable services rendered to the club as treasurer for many years, he having sent in his resignation of the position. New Members.— Messrs C. H. F. Walker, C. E. Jones, and H. Pobjoy were elected members. The meeting closed with a vote of thanks to the chair.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article210836115 |title=BALLARAT YACHT CLUB. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXI, |issue=228 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=30 September 1886 |accessdate=6 December 2020 |page=4 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1886 10===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Bechervaise departs Hobart for Sydney on the SS Flora <blockquote>'''SHIPPING.''' . . . CLEARED OUT.— October 2. Flora, s.s., 1,272 tons, H. Bennison, for Sydney. Passengers — Saloon: Dr., Mrs., and Master Bedford; Mr. '''W. P. Bechervaise''', Mrs. M. A. Jones, Mr. and Mrs. M. Booth, Mr. E. C. Wright, Mr. J. W. Syme; and 9 in the steerage. Agents — T.S.N. Co. SAILED.— October 2. Flora, s.s., 1,272 tons, H. Bennison, for Sydney.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article9127122 |title=SHIPPING. |newspaper=[[w:The Mercury (Hobart)|The Mercury]] |volume=XLIX, |issue=5,180 |location=Tasmania, Australia |date=4 October 1886 |accessdate=6 December 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> In Bechervaise's absence, letter-carrier Gates arrested for theft of letter <blockquote>'''ARREST AT THE BALLARAT CITY POST OFFICE.''' Between 12 and 1 o'clock this morning Henry Frederick Gates, a sorter at the Ballarat Post-office, was arrested by Detective Lomax on a charge of stealing a letter, the property of the Postmaster-General. When Gates was placed under arrest by the officer some excitement prevailed among the employees, who have always considered the accused above suspicion. It seems that for some time past complaints have been made regarding the non-receipt of letters containing money, and in order to ascertain whether the fault lay with the Ballarat office, Detective Lomax was sent to Ballarat to investigate the complaints. Last night he secreted himself in a corner of the main room, directly opposite to the spot where Gates was engaged in sorting letters. About 15 minutes after midnight, Gates, it is said, was observed by the detective to fumble with several letters, and at length he was, it is alleged, seen to put one in his pocket. Subsequently Lomax sallied forth from his hiding place, accused Gates of theft, and took him into custody. Prisoner, who is 41 years of age, and the father of a large family, was then conveyed to the City lockup, where he was charged as stated, and placed in one of the cells. Gates is a resident of Ballarat East, and is well known in this district. We are in possession of further information on the subject, but we deem it inadvisable to say more at this stage of the case.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article210836837 |title=ARREST AT THE BALLARAT CITY POST OFFICE. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXI, |issue=242 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=16 October 1886 |accessdate=6 December 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Further to previous <blockquote>Henry Frederick Gates, the letter-carrier who was arrested by Detective Lomax early on Saturday morning on the charge of stealing a postal letter, the property of the Postmaster-General, was brought before the City magistrates on Saturday. The accused was, on the application of Inspector Parkinson, remanded for a week, and bail was allowed in two sureties of £100 each.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article210836891 |title=No title |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXI, |issue=243 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=18 October 1886 |accessdate=6 December 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Further to previous <blockquote>'''STEALING A LETTER.''' Henry Frederick Gates, the letter-carrier who was arrested by Detective Lomax, at the Ballarat West Post Office on the charge of stealing a letter, the property of the Postmaster-General, was brought up at the City Police Court yesterday morning, before Mr Thomson, P.M., and Mr A. Anderson, J.P. Inspector Parkinson prosecuted, and Mr Gaunt appeared on behalf of the accused. Mr Parkinson briefly stated the facts of the case, and the following evidence was taken:— David Mickle, acting-postmaster in Ballarat, deposed that he knew the accused, who was a letter carrier attached to the staff, and was also employed as assistant sorter. The accused went on duty on the night of the 15th instant, at about 10 o'clock. He would finish by about 12 o'clock. His duty was to sort the letters arriving by the last train. In case he met with any letter he believed contained money or valuables, it was his duty to bring the matter under the notice of the officer in charge. Accused's duty lay altogether in the mail room, and he had no occasion to leave the room. He had to sort the letters for the various walks of the letter-carriers, and if there were any letters for the money-order branch, should put them in the box attached to that office. Detective Lomax stated that, owing to complaints, he had come to Ballarat on the 11th instant, and kept the mail-work of the office under observation to the 15th. On that night, in consequence of what he had seen the accused do on the previous night, witness concealed himself above the ceiling, from which place he could look down on the table at which the accused was engaged in sorting. After the night-mail had been stamped, at about a quarter to 11 o'clock, the accused commenced to sort. The staff then on duty consisted of Sorters Feeley and Power, and Porter Mesley, together with the accused. Witness watched him for about an hour, and during that time saw him feel a number of letters he was sorting, by running his finger and thumb along the edge of the letter, and also by pressure with his finger and thumb. Some of those he had felt he put on one side of his sorting table, and afterwards picked them up again and put them behind the others, and by pressing the letters managed to open them sufficiently wide to enable him to see what was inside. Witness saw him select two of these letters he had examined, and put them on one side, but did not see him secrete any letters during the time he was watching him. After about an hour witness came down from the roof into the postmaster's room, which adjoins the money-order office. Soon after he came down he heard the accused come into the money-order office, and saw him pass through the postmaster's room into the mail-room. Witness went into the money-order office and kept him under observation until he left off work. As he was leaving the mail-room after bidding goodnight, witness followed him and stopped him at the door. Witness said to him, "Do you know me?" He said, "No." Witness said, "My name is Lomax. I am a sergeant of police. Come back." Witness brought him back to where Feeley and Mesley were, and said to him, "I saw you feeling and examining letters tonight. Have you any on your person?" In reply, accused said, "I gave a letter tonight, with money in it, to Mr Feeley to be registered. Witness said, "I know you did. What I want to know is, 'Have you any letters in your possession.'" He said "No," and witness told him to take off his coat. Witness then searched him, and in the left hand pocket of his trousers found a letter (produced). The letter was then torn at the corner. Witness asked him if he wished to explain how it came into his possession, but cautioned him at the same time in the usual way. He made no reply, and witness told him he was charged with stealing the letter. The accused said, "Can’t it be arranged?" Witness said, "Arranged, in what way?" He said, "Arranged with the department so that I may not be exposed and locked up." Witness said, "No; you have cast suspicion upon a number of respectable men in this office, and have caused trouble and loss to the public. I am going to lodge you in the lock-up." He said, "What will become of my wife and family?" Witness replied, "I don't know; you should have thought of that before." Witness then took him to the lock-up, sorter Feeley accompanying him. On the way there the prisoner said, "The devil must have been at my elbow tempting me to take that letter." Witness said, "He must have been at your elbow last night also, for I saw you handling letters in the same way then." William Benjamin Gedge, stationmaster at the Prahran railway station, deposed that the letter produced was written by him, and addressed to his father at Sebastopol. There was a £ 1-note enclosed. He had given the letter to his daughter to post on Friday last. Alexander Scott, a sorter in the General Post Office, Melbourne, gave evidence of a formal nature as to the passing through of the letter. Gedge deposed that he resided in Cheshunt street, Sebastopol. The letter produced was addressed to him, but he had not received it. William Mesley, porter in the Ballarat West Post Office, deposed that he was engaged in the mailroom in stamping the late mail, on the 15th inst. The witness gave evidence as to stamping the letter, and also corroborated the latter portion of the evidence given by Detective Lomax. William Henry Feeley, senior sorter in the same office, also gave corroborative evidence. Mr Gaunt said he would reserve his defence. The prisoner was committed to take his trial at the next Court of General Sessions, to be held in Ballarat on the 15th November next. Mr Parkinson said he had no objection to bail being allowed, so long as it was in a substantial amount. Mr Thomson said the offence was a serious one, and the prisoner was liable to seven years' imprisonment. They would allow bail in two sureties of £150 each, and the prisoner's own recognisance for the same amount. The sureties being forthcoming, the prisoner was subsequently released on bail.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article210837208 |title=STEALING A LETTER. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXI, |issue=248 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=23 October 1886 |accessdate=6 December 2020 |page=4 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> As previous <blockquote>The charge against the letter-carrier Henry Frederick Gates, of stealing a letter, was investigated at the City Police Court yesterday. Mr Gaunt appeared for the accused, who reserved his defence. After hearing the evidence, the bench committed him to take his trial at the sittings of the Court of General Sessions, in Ballarat, on the 15th November next. Mr Thomson remarked that the offence was a most serious one, rendering the accused liable to seven years' imprisonment, and substantial bail would be required. They would allow him bail, however, in two sureties of £150, and his personal recognisance for a similar amount. The accused's father and Mr W. H. Batten became sureties in the amount named, and he was accordingly released. A report of the case appears in another column. <ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article210837164 |title=No title |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXI, |issue=248 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=23 October 1886 |accessdate=6 December 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1886 11===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Matter of alleged theft of a letter by Gates <blockquote>The Court of General Sessions will sit today. There is but one person for trial — Henry F. Gates, stealing a postal letter. For the convenience of witnesses and jurors arriving by the early trains, the court will not open until 11 a.m.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article210838224 |title=No title |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXI, |issue=267 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=15 November 1886 |accessdate=6 December 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Public opinion thinks Gates sentence too light <blockquote>At the Court of General Sessions at Ballarat yesterday, the only case tried was that of Frederick George Gates, the letter carrier, charged with stealing a letter containing money. The particulars concerning the case have already been published in The Star. The accused pleaded guilty. The Mayor of the City (Cr Thompson), Cr Claxton, the Rev. R. T. Cummins, and Mr. Rosenblum testified to the good character borne by the accused previous to the theft. Mr Gaunt, who appeared for the defence, then made an eloquent appeal on Gates' behalf, asking his Honor, in view of his previous good conduct, to inflict only a light sentence. After reviewing the evidence taken at the Police Court, Judge Casey sentenced the accused to six months' imprisonment. He addressed Gates on the serious nature of his offence, and remarked that the sentence would have been much more severe but for the evidence that had been tendered of his previous good behaviour. The sentence passed upon the accused was known through the City and Town early in the day, and some very strong comments were made regarding the leniency shown to Gates by Judge Casey, many thinking that the sentence ought to have been much more severe. <ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article210838280 |title=No title |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXI, |issue=268 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=16 November 1886 |accessdate=6 December 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> As previous <blockquote>'''THE PRISONER GATES.''' TO THE EDITOR. SIR, I have no doubt the very good character given the prisoner Gates by the Mayor, Rev. Mr Cummins, Mr Claxton, and others influenced judge Casey in pronouncing the very insufficient sentence of six months for so heinous a crime. A burglar in his work puts his life in jeopardy, so also does a footpad, but this cowardly thief steals whilst in a place of trust the hard-earned savings of some poor person, yet he only gets six months imprisonment. If the judge had closed his remarks to those present in the court with the advice of "Go and do likewise," I should not have been very much surprised. But, Sir, what can the gentlemen think of themselves for thus helping to clear a fellow that was not only a thief, but such a hypocrite, that he thoroughly deceived them, and but for the detective he would be deceiving them still. If they had said, we thought he was honest, but he deceived us, and we now find that he was a mean thief, Gates would no doubt have been properly punished.— Yours, &c., AMICUS.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article210838342 |title=THE PRISONER GATES. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXI, |issue=269 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=17 November 1886 |accessdate=6 December 2020 |page=3 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> As previous <blockquote>'''THE MAN GATES.''' TO THE EDITOR. SIR,— The letter of your correspondent "Amicus" is deserving of the thanks of every right thinking member of the community; and I, for one, am surprised that a minister of the Gospel and other persons holding responsible positions should go and give a "character" to such a mean, contemptible thief as Gates has proved himself to be. No wonder that he is the owner of a fine property, with his family living in purple and fine linen, while his victims are struggling for an existence. On many occasions, I suppose, Gates has said to himself, "Fred, thou hast much goods laid up in store; eat, drink, and be merry," little thinking of the misery he was causing other people; and never expecting the detective to say to him, "Gates, this night, I require thy presence in the City lock-up." "What is to become of my wife and family?" exclaimed the robber when he was arrested. How much did he think of the wives and families he was robbing? I hope the time is far distant before we shall have such a disgraceful farce enacted as was the case on last Monday in Ballarat, wherein Judge Casey played such a prominent part. Two or three years' hard labor, with occasional doses of solitary confinement, would have been more in keeping with the merits of the case, instead of a paltry six months. Hoping that you will find room for the insertion of this, and that others will express their opinion on the subject.— Yours, &c., JUSTICE<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article210838411 |title=THE MAN GATES. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXI, |issue=270 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=18 November 1886 |accessdate=6 December 2020 |page=4 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> As previous <blockquote>'''THE MAN GATES.''' TO THE EDITOR. SIR,— I notice a number of letters appearing anent the sentence passed on the above unfortunate, who I may state is totally unknown to me. Surely your correspondents must know that almost ever since the world began the great question in criminal procedure is the "equality of punishment" in criminal cases. In the eye of the present statute law, the offence of stealing is the same. If a man should steal a pound enclosed in a letter to or from the Governor of the Colony or to or from the poorest person on earth, as I have stated, the offence is the same. The sentence is in the discretion of the judge up to a certain limit, but why should he make any difference in one case or in the other, when he is bound to administer the law according to the statute. In fairness to his Honor Judge Casey, I think that the sentence passed on Gates satisfies the ends of justice.— Yours, &c., Ballarat, 18th November. LEX<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article210838493 |title=THE MAN GATES. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXI, |issue=272 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=20 November 1886 |accessdate=6 December 2020 |page=4 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise arrives in Melbourne after his colonial tour <blockquote>Mr '''W. P. Bechervaise''', post and telegraph master of Ballarat City, has arrived in Melbourne, after a tour through the various colonies. Mr '''Bechervaise''' will probably return to Ballarat during the present week.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article210838606 |title=No title |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXI, |issue=274 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=23 November 1886 |accessdate=6 December 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Rumour that Bechervaise about to resign <blockquote>It is rumored that Mr '''W. P. Bechervaise''' will probably shortly resign his position as post and telegraph master in Ballarat, and that Mr Fisher, of Geelong, will be appointed his successor.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article210838659 |title=No title |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXI, |issue=275 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=24 November 1886 |accessdate=6 December 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1886 12===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Bechervaise to resume duty after two months leave <blockquote>Mr '''W. P. Bechervaise''', the local post and telegraph master, who has been on leave of absence for some weeks, will resume duty during the week.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article210839354 |title=No title |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXI, |issue=286 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=7 December 1886 |accessdate=6 December 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise returns to Ballarat <blockquote>Mr '''Bechervaise''', post and telegraph master at Ballarat, arrived in the City last night by the 8.25 o'clock train, after a tour round several of the colonies and New Zealand, and was heartily welcomed by a number of friends who had assembled at the Western station for that purpose. Mr '''Bechervaise''', who has apparently improved in health by the trip, will resume charge of the City office tomorrow.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article210839529 |title=No title |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXI, |issue=289 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=10 December 1886 |accessdate=6 December 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise pall-bearer at funeral of employee's mother <blockquote>The funeral of the late Mrs Binsted took place yesterday, when a number of friends evinced the respect they felt for the deceased lady by following her remains to the place of interment, the Old Cemetery. Amongst the coffin-bearers was Mr '''Bechervaise''', post and telegraph master, at Ballarat, under whom the son of the deceased lady holds a position.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article210840200 |title=No title |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXI, |issue=300 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=23 December 1886 |accessdate=6 December 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> ====1887==== <!-- <blockquote><ref></ref></blockquote> --> =====1887 01===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Bechervaise and Sutton to review new fire alarms for Ballarat Fire Brigade <blockquote>Bright's fire alarms do not appear to meet with the approval of some members of the Ballarat Fire Brigade. At the monthly meeting of the brigade last night Captain Trotman pronounced the alarms a "white elephant," and Mr Crannage said they were expensive, and were not, as they were led to believe, the same as were used by the metropolitan fire brigade. Mr Thompson thought that such expensive machinery would not have been manufactured unless its usefulness had been proved by test. In respect to the memory of the late Mr Burrowes — who kept himself well posted in all modern fire appliances, and who approved of the alarms — they should not be too hasty that evening in giving an opinion regarding the new importation, which cost something over £60. Mr Sutton, the local electrician, it was pointed out during the discussion, had been asked to inspect the alarms, and now that the alarms had arrived he was prepared to set to work and put the machinery together. Mr '''Bechervaise''' had also promised assistance. The matter was finally, on the motion of Mr Beyer, left in the hands of the officers to deal with. <ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article203946836 |title=No title |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXII, |issue=2 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=4 January 1887 |accessdate=6 December 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise acts a starter at Ballarat Yacht Club Regatta <blockquote>'''BALLARAT YACHT CLUB REGATTA.''' The Ballarat yacht club regatta took place at Lake Wendouree on 14th inst., and was a great success. There was a large attendance, and everything passed off without accident. A strong breeze blew during the afternoon. Mr. '''Bechervaise''' acted as starter, and Mr. William Gale as judge. Appended are the results of the principal events:— First Class Yacht Race.— 1, Darlie Bay; 2 Pina-fore; 3, Ballarat. The Ballarat came in second, but the time allowance of 30 seconds gave the Pinafore the second prize. Six yachts started. Second Class Yacht Race.— 1, Flying Scud; 2, Viola; 3, Victoria. Before the termination of this race the boats were caught in a gale, and they came in with their sails flying free in the wind. A number of minor events were also carried out.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article198033623 |title=BALLARAT YACHT CLUB REGATTA. |newspaper=[[Leader]] |issue=1619 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=22 January 1887 |accessdate=6 December 2020 |page=21 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1887 02===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> =====1887 03===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Bechervaise chairs a committee for Commodore's Picnic for Ballarat Yacht Club <blockquote>A meeting of the committee appointed to arrange the commodore's picnic in connection with the Ballarat Yacht Club was held yesterday afternoon; Mr '''W. P. Bechervaise''' in the chair. It was decided to hold the picnic on Friday, 25th inst., and to have a crews' race. A steamer will be in attendance to enable those who desire to do so to witness the race from start to finish. It was also determined to issue invitations to the majors and councillors of the City and Town, the present captains and secretaries of the various rowing clubs, and representatives of the principal yachting clubs at Melbourne, Queenscliff, and Colac. Other races and sports will be arranged before the picnic comes off, in order that a thorough day's enjoyment may be afforded to those who attend.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article203949863 |title=No title |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXII, |issue=52 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=3 March 1887 |accessdate=6 December 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1887 04===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Bechervaise re-elected a vice-president of the Ballarat Gymnastic Association at its annual meeting <blockquote>'''ANNUAL MEETING GYMNASTIC ASSOCIATION.''' The annual meeting of the Ballarat Gymnastic Association was held last night at the rooms. Annual Report.— "In presenting this, the sixth, annual report of your club, your committee are proud of the prominent position into which you are merging, and feel highly gratified at the excellent results that have attended their labors in the starting of the season the association met with a severe loss in the departure of Mr Geo. Grose, our popular instructor, for Brisbane, and will account in a measure for the slight diminuation in numbers, especially in the boys' class. The committee are specially indebted to Mr H. A. King, who came forward with his usual courtesy and took charge of the senior class; and also to Messrs Shackles and Welch for the manner they conducted the boys' class. During the past season we held two visitors' nights and an exhibition, to which the members and their friends were invited, to give them an insight of the work done by the members. It is the intention of the committee to give several of these entertainments during the coming season, so as to encourage the members and keep the gymnasium before the public as much as possible. The annual competition was held in November last. Mr Techow, of the National Gymnasium, being unable to attend and judge the members nominated Messrs H. A. King and Thos. S. Mann, and their decisions gave unbounded satisfaction. Mr R. Davey secured the champion cup, the gift of Mr King and Mr J. Sleeman carried off the gold medal for the best of this year's members. In the boys' class Master W. Whity won the championship, having the greatest number of points. The whole of the trophies, comprising Britannia Cup, eight silver medals, and one gold, were given by the members of the committee, so that the association might be assisted as much as possible in their endeavors to reduce the overdraft. The coming season promises to be a most successful one, and it only requires the members to again work as they have done to try and induce as many of their friends and companions to join the association, to make it so. The committee feel much indebted to the press for the cordial manner in which it has supported the association in its endeavors to advance the physical education of the residents of Ballarat. Mr Eyre having retired from the position of secretary during the season, the committee unanimously elected Mr Davey to the vacant office, and have much pleasure in testifying to the admirable manner in which he discharged its duties." Elections.— President, Mr A. Anderson (re-elected); vice-presidents, Messrs H. A. King and '''W. P. Bechervaise'''; treasurer, Mr J. Fitzgerald; secretary, Mr R. Davey; auditors, Messrs Moran and A. Weight; committee — Messrs T. Mann, L. Bright, A. Weight, E. Hammond, R. Walker, R. Angwin. Votes of Thanks.— Votes of thanks were proposed to the office bearers, the press, and the chairman.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article203952303 |title=ANNUAL MEETING GYMNASTIC ASSOCIATION. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXII, |issue=98 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=27 April 1887 |accessdate=7 December 2020 |page=4 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1887 05===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Apparent lack of timeliness in delivery of telegrams to brokers, representations to Bechervaise <blockquote>'''BALLARAT.''' (FROM OUR CORRESPONDENT.) SATURDAY EVENING. For some time past brokers at the Corner have complained at the delays which frequently occur in the delivery of telegrams sent to them through the Ballarat telegraph office. The telegraph office is about 70 yards from the Corner, and yet telegrams are sometimes delivered to brokers an hour after they have been received in the local telegraph office. Sometimes a messenger goes to the Corner with a dozen or more messages, which he delivers to brokers as he sees them, and on comparing the times at which these messages have been received in the local office it is seen that some must have been lying in the office at least half an hour waiting a messenger to carry them about 70 yards. Of course this delay completely neutralises any advantage which the sender of an early message might have in the way of news, and tends to put all brokers in receipt of telegrams on a dead level. Some little time ago Mr. S. W. Smythe complained to the Postmaster-General on the subject, and received recently a reply from Mr. Derham, expressing regret that the irregularity had occurred, and intimating that steps would be taken to prevent it happening again. It is to be hoped that such steps will be taken without delay, for today the same thing occurred again. At a quarter to 1 o'clock a messenger arrived at the Corner with 12 messages for different brokers, and it was found when the envelopes were opened that one of them had been lying in the telegraph office here since a quarter to 12 o'clock, and others had been kept waiting different periods from 15 to 40 minutes. The matter was brought up at the afternoon meeting of the Exchange, and the brokers, who were very indignant, resolved to formally complain to the postmaster here (Mr W. P. Bechervaise) about it, and insist on the thing being remedied.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article7913509 |title=BALLARAT. |newspaper=[[The Argus (Melbourne)]] |issue=12,761 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=16 May 1887 |accessdate=7 December 2020 |page=3 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1887 06===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Bechervaise clearly the source of the report <blockquote>The statement in the Argus of Thursday referring to seniority in the Post and Tele-graph Department is, we are informed, not strictly correct, as, by reference to the published list, Mr '''Bechervaise''', of the local Post and Telegraph offices, is the senior second class officer in the department.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article207770260 |title=No title |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXII, |issue=143 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=18 June 1887 |accessdate=7 December 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1887 07===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Bechervaise attends the Mayor's Ball, partnered by his daughter, in a cast of thousands <blockquote>'''THE MAYOR'S BALL.''' One of the most brilliant assemblages that has ever gathered in the Alfred Hall assembled last night, the occasion being the annual mayoral ball, which was given this year by Mayor T. H. Thompson. In recognition of the season, it was aptly termed the "Jubilee Festival," and nothing further was required to prove the great popularity that Mayor Thompson and his worthy lady have achieved than the large number who accepted the invitations so freely extended. By the time advertised for commencing festivities, there was a large attendance of guests, and ere long the Alfred Hall was taxed to its utmost dancing capacity. There were a number of prominent guests, whose names appear below, but there were also many others who would scarcely desire to be classed amongst the "upper ten." The utmost cordiality prevailed, and the ball was not alone the best attended, but may also be classed as decidedly equal to the most enjoyable gathering of the kind that has yet been held. Amongst those who took part in the opening set were the Mayor and Mayoress of the City, the Mayor and Mayoress of Geelong, Lieutenant-Colonel Smith, and Judge Casey. The decorations were extremely pretty, the greenery that ornamented the pillars blending and contrasting well with the flags and lights. The arrangements for the comfort of the guests were all that could be desired. The catering was in the hands of Mr McIntyre, of Bridge street, and it is needless to say that in this respect the provision made was admirable. The quantity and quality of the viands and wines were unexceptionable, and the tables were laid out with the best possible taste. The new annexe was utilised as a lady's supper-room, while the wants of the gentlemen were attended to on the stage, at the rear of the orchestra. Many of the costumes worn at the ball were handsome and effective, and, as is usually the case, the quieter dresses were generally the most effective. The mayor appeared for the first time in public in Ballarat in his new costume, complete, with cocked hat, cut-away coat and ruffles, knee breeches, black silk stockings, and buckled shoes. There was a fair sprinkling of uniforms, and as the gas-light shone on elegant costumes, handsome uniforms, dress suits, and smilingly happy faces, the scene was certainly a pleasant one to look upon. Dancing was kept up until an early hour to really excellent music supplied by Herr Schraeder's string band. There were 22 numbers on the programme, which embraced live waltzes, and concluded with the old-fashioned dance, "Sir Roger de Coverley." A smoking-room was set apart for the convenience of the sterner sex, and it was, as usual, well patronised during the night. The following is the LIST OF ACCEPTANCES. . . . '''Bechervaise, Mr and Miss'''; . . .<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article207770836 |title=THE MAYOR'S BALL. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXII, |issue=153 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=1 July 1887 |accessdate=7 December 2020 |page=4 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise an applicant for Assistant Secretary of the Vic PMGD <blockquote>The appointment of an officer to the position of assistant secretary to the Postmaster-General, rendered vacant by the promotion of Mr James Smibert to the office of deputy postmaster-general will most probably be made to-day. A number of applications for the appointment have been received by the Postmaster-General from gentlemen engaged in the department. Among those who have sought to secure the post are Mr W. Galbraith, comptroller of the money order and savings bank branch; Mr. J. P. Mabbott, who for some time past has acted as assistant secretary; Mr. '''W. P. Bechervaise''', postmaster at Ballarat; Mr. W. Morkham, accountant; and Mr. G. S. Caldwell, inspector of mail services. In point of seniority and position Mr Galbraith has prior claims. He is graded in the first class of public servants, receives £800 a year as salary, and has been 34 years in the Government service. Mr. Derham under these circumstances has decided to recommend his promotion to the post, but has not arrived at any recommendation as to Mr. Galbraith's successor as comptroller of the savings bank and money order office.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article7857498 |title=MONDAY, JULY 4, 1887. |newspaper=[[The Argus (Melbourne)]] |issue=12,803 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=4 July 1887 |accessdate=7 December 2020 |page=5 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Annual report of the Ballarat Fire Brigade thankful of Bechervaise's assistance with commissioning of fire alarm system <blockquote>'''BALLARAT FIRE BRIGADE.''' The annual meeting was held last night, at the station-house. Mr C. Dyte in the chair. . . . and in addition to that, Mr Jones prevailed upon the Postmaster-General to connect the fire alarm recently erected with the general telegraphic system, without costs to the brigade. Up to the present time there is not a perfect system of communication, but your secretary has reason to believe that through the kindness and scientific acumen of Mr '''Bechervaise''' the excellent postmaster of Ballarat, there will soon be a complete realisation of the fire alarm system, on which so much money has been spent.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article207771023 |title=BALLARAT FIRE BRIGADE. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXII, |issue=156 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=5 July 1887 |accessdate=7 December 2020 |page=4 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise appointed permanent chair of committee to arrange return ball for Mayor <blockquote>A meeting to make arrangements for giving a return ball to the Mayor and Mayoress of the City (Mr and Mrs T. H. Thompson) was held yesterday afternoon, at Craig's Royal hotel; Mr '''W. P. Bechervaise''' in the chair. There were about 50 prominent citizens present, and several apologies for non-attendance were received. It was resolved that the return ball take place on the 28th instant, and the following gentlemen were appointed a general committee to make the necessary arrangements: — Messrs '''Bechervaise''', Balhausen, Lovitt, A. T. Morrison, J. Dunne, E. H. L. Swifte, H. Herbert, McDonald, Willetts, E. Morey, sen., Jas. Ivey, J. A. Powell, Hardie, McPherson, A. Miller, and Barclay. Mr '''Bechervaise''' was appointed permanent chairman, Mr Webb honorary treasurer, and Mr F. W. Claxton hon. secretary. Subsequently the committee met, when several sub-committees were appointed to carry out the details. The chairman, secretary, and treasurer were authorised to arrange for the printing and advertising and also to deal with any little thing requiring immediate attention. The matter is being taken up with enthusiasm, and it is confidently expected that the coming return ball will eclipse all its predecessors in point of attendance and also in completeness of arrangements. <ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article207771216 |title=No title |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXII, |issue=160 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=9 July 1887 |accessdate=7 December 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise as councillor attends special meeting of School of Mines to adopt affiliation with University of Melbourne <blockquote>'''BALLARAT SCHOOL OF MINES.''' A special meeting of the council of the School of Mines was held last night. Present — Mr A. Anderson, J.P., in the chair; Bishop Thornton, Archdeacon Julius, and Messrs '''W. P. Bechervaise''', J. Louie, F. J. Martell, E. I. Rosenblum, and Theos. Williams, J.P. The main object of the meeting was to adopt an amended constitution for the school under the new condition of affiliation with the Melbourne University. After careful consideration the following was agreed to:— Chapter I.— Name and title.— The name or title of the school shall be "The Ballarat School of Mines, Industries, and Science in the University of Melbourne," but in all legal and other documents it may be cited as "The School of Mines, Ballarat." Chapter II.— Objects.— The school is established for the following purposes:— (a.) To impart instruction in the various branches of science relating to mining, the theory and practice thereof included. (b.) To teach such other sciences and subjects as may be required by the University of Melbourne for the completion of the degree of science or such other University degrees as the council of the school may deem advisable. (c.) To teach mathematics, surveying, and those branches of technical and industrial science which may be considered most likely to promote the industrial progress of Victoria. (d.) To teach such other subjects as may be from time to time deemed advisable by the council of the school. Chapter III.— Government.— <ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article207771889 |title=BALLARAT SCHOOL OF MINES. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXII, |issue=171 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=22 July 1887 |accessdate=7 December 2020 |page=4 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise attends return ball to Mayor, daughter as partner <blockquote>'''MAYORAL RETURN BALL.''' The return ball given to the Mayor and Mayoress of the city by the citizens of Ballarat was held last night, in the Alfred Hall, and was a truly brilliant affair. The attendance was not quite so great as at the ball given by Mr Thompson, but was, nevertheless, greater than at any previous return ball. The hall was exceedingly tastefully decorated by Messrs Kift, Whitelaw, and Ruddock, the drapery having been kindly lent by Messrs Snow and Room. The sides of the hall were also further adorned by large mirrors and pictures, for which the committee were indebted to Mr R. Tunbridge. The gallery was very nicely fitted up as a fernery, and served as a very pleasant resort during the intervals between the dances or for those who desired to watch the scene during the progress of the mazy waltz or more complicated quadrille. The floor was splendidly prepared, and dancers accordingly enjoyed themselves, more especially as the music was perhaps the best that has been heard at any similar gathering in the city. The orchestra, which consisted of thirteen performers, was under the leadership of Mr West. The dresses worn by the ladies were varied in style, and most of them were very effective. The whole scene, while the dancers ware enjoying themselves in round or square evolutions, was a very attractive one. The catering was in the hands of Mr C. Walker, who not alone devoted attention to the cravings of the inner man, but also displayed his cakes and other creature comforts in the most attractive manner. The arrangements were all that could be desired in every respect, and the pleasure of all who were present was thus secured. The following is a list of those who presented cards at the point of entrance:— . . . Mr and Miss Bechervaise . . .<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article207772120 |title=MAYORAL RETURN BALL. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXII, |issue=175 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=27 July 1887 |accessdate=7 December 2020 |page=4 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1887 08===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Letter to editor of the Star highlights the bravery of the Queenscliff lifeboat crew who saved the crew of the Gange <blockquote>'''THE QUEENSCLIFF LIFE-BOAT CREW.''' TO THE EDITOR. SIR,— The successful efforts of the above crew, in the plucky rescue of all hands from the Austrian barque Gange when stranded, are properly the theme of admiration of all classes. Sailors, fishermen, and others familiar with coast life know that the men when they started intended to "do or die," no one ever volunteers for such a service but he is well aware that the odds are against his coming back. In this case they did all return, we are glad to know. That pull from the jetty out into the dirty black night, hanging on at their oars, wet through all the time, fighting against wind, sea, and tide in the biting cold, the dangerous passage through the rip, and the long hours keeping their boat's head off shore till they could render the poor half-clad perishing creatures help, and the smart way the boat was handled during the rescue, prove the crew to be brave to the core. The Ballarat Yacht Club people are well acquainted with these Queenscliff boys, for they come annually to our lake to be entertained, and some of the members are getting up a meeting to see what can be done for the crew who have proved that our lifeboat rescue system will compare favorably with the similar grand institution having its active crews distributed all over the coasts of Great Britain. We hope all who can will give a hand to help forward the object herein stated.— Yours, &c., BREAST-BACKSTAY. Ballarat, 30th July.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article207772412 |title=THE QUEENSCLIFF LIFE-BOAT CREW. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXII, |issue=180 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=2 August 1887 |accessdate=7 December 2020 |page=4 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise a subscriber to Queenscliff lifeboat crew recognition <blockquote>'''THE QUEENSCLIFF LIFEBOAT CREW.''' A meeting of subscribers to the Queenscliff lifeboat crew testimonial fund was held last evening at Craig's Royal hotel. Mr E. Morey occupied the chair. There was a very large attendance, and the greatest enthusiasm was shown in the movement. After a lengthened discussion, it was finally decided, on the motion of Mr '''W. P. Bechervaise''', seconded by Mr W. Barton, that the presentation be made in cash, and that on the occasion a soiree be also tendered to the lifeboat crew and their friends. Propositions towards furthering the success of the movement were made by Mr Jas. McPherson, Mr T. Bailey, Mr Jas. Ivey, and Mr O. E. Edwards. After the business of the meeting had been disposed of, Mr W. N. Lansley offered, with his characteristic generosity, to engross and illuminate, free of cost, an address to be presented to the noble lifeboat crew, for which a most cordial vote of thanks was accorded him. It was decided that the presentation take place at Adman's hotel, Queenscliff, on Saturday evening next, the majority of the gentlemen present expressing their intention of being present on the occasion. The hon. secretary, Mr M. B. Jenkins, stated that upwards of £80 had been subscribed, and contributions were still flowing in.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article207772493 |title=THE QUEENSCLIFF LIFEBOAT CREW. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXII, |issue=182 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=4 August 1887 |accessdate=7 December 2020 |page=3 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise reads the framed address to the heroes of Queenscliff who retrieved survivors from the Gange <blockquote>'''THE WRECKED VESSEL GANGE. The Lifeboat Crew Presentations. The Barque And Its Purchaser.''' (By Electric Telegraph.) (From Our Own Correspondent.) Queenscliff, Sunday Night. The presentation of an address and purses of sovereigns to the crew of the Queenscliff lifeboat, by the townspeople of Ballarat and district, took place last night at Admans' Grand Hotel. Many of the leading residents of Ballarat and Queenscliff were present, and the chair was occupied by Col. Smith. Mr '''Bechervaise''' read the address, which is to be framed, together with photos of the crew, and then placed in the Queenscliff town hall. He then presented the following purses:— To the superintendent, 10 sovs; to the coxswain, 8 sovs; to the crew of eleven men, 6 sovs each. Col. Smith proposed a vote of thanks to the Mayor of Ballarat, coupled with the names of Mr and Mrs Bailey, the originators of the presentation, which was duly responded to. All then adjourned to the supper-room, and, after the good things provided had been partaken of, numerous toasts and songs followed, the superintendent and coxswain replying on behalf of themselves and the crew to the toast of their health. The purchaser of the stranded barque Gange (Mr Miller, of Geelong) and a number of men boarded the vessel today in boats, and recovered a quantity of ship's stores, sails, and a boat. If the vessel holds together in her present position they hope, with favorable weather, to recover all the rails and the casks of rock sulphur, and they intend to examine the vessel to see what damage has been sustained by the hull. There is a splendid donkey engine on board, which they will endeavor to bring into use for the hauling up of cargo.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article150731934 |title=THE WRECKED VESSEL GANGE. |newspaper=[[Geelong Advertiser]] |issue=12,400 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=8 August 1887 |accessdate=8 December 2020 |page=3 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> As previous, a more detailed report by The Argus <blockquote>'''THE WRECK OF THE GANGE. PRESENTATION TO THE LIFEBOAT CREW.''' (By Telegraph From Our Correspondent.) QUEENSCLIFF, Sunday. The presentation by the townspeople of Ballarat to the lifeboat crew, in connection with the wreck of the barque Gange, took place last evening in Admans's Grand Hotel. There was a large attendance, including several leading residents of Ballarat. The chair was occupied by Colonel Smith, M.L.A., and there were also on the platform the major and councillors of Queenscliff, Captain Otter, Lieutenant Umphelby, and several military officers. The presentation consisted of a purse of sovereigns, and an address, which was read by Mr. W. P. Bechervaise, the postmaster of Ballarat. He regretted that on account of the shortness of the time they had not been able to have the address framed, but said that as soon as the photographs of the lifeboat crew were obtained it was their intention to have it framed, and placed in the Queenscliff Townhall. (Cheers.) He had much pleasure in presenting Mr. Dickson with a purse containing 10 sovs., Coxswain Wayth with 8 sovs., and the crew with 6 sovs. each. All the men were heartily cheered as they came forward to receive the gift. Colonel Smith proposed a vote of thanks to the mayor of Ballarat, coupled with the names of Mr and Mrs Bailey, who were the originators of the presentation. He stated that they had scarcely had a refusal to contribute to the fund. He felt proud of the crew, who were nearly all colonials, and were keeping up the reputation for courage shown by former crews. (Cheers.) Mr Bailey briefly returned thanks on behalf of himself and his wife. An adjournment was then made to the supper-room, at which about 100 persons sat down, the chair being occupied by Mr. Thomson, the mayor of Ballarat, who had on his right hand Mr Dickson, the superintendent of the lifeboat crew, and on his left the coxswain, Mr. F. Wayth; Mr Morey, the commodore of the Ballarat Yacht Club, occupying the vice-chair. After the supper, the chairman proposed the toast of "The Queen and Royal Family," which was received with cheers. Mr Morey proposed "The Lifeboat Crew," coupled with the name of Mr. Dickson. It gave him, he said, great pleasure to be with them that night. In his early life the sea had been selected for him, and he knew from experience the dangers of it. He felt proud to think that they had such brave and hardy young men in the colony, who were ready to risk their lives in the moment of danger as they had done. The toast was drunk with musical honours. Mr Dickson, who upon rising was greeted with loud and prolonged cheering, said he desired to express thanks on behalf of himself and the crew for the manner in which they had been treated by the residents of Ballarat. It was more than they had expected when they embarked in the lifeboat, and he felt certain that if called upon again they would be ready and willing to sacrifice their own lives in saving their fellow-men. The coxswain also briefly returned thanks, and stated that he had been 19 years connected with the lifeboat. Colonel Smith proposed "The Mayor and Councillors of Queenscliff." The Mayor (Mr. Admans), in reply, said that he had been for 30 years a resident of the Cliff, and had seen a lot of lives lost through shipwreck. He thought that a lifeboat station should be erected at Point Lonsdale, as only those who had had experience knew the difficulty and danger attending a boat going out through the Rip in rough weather. It was not that crews were scarce, for if there were three lifeboats on the Cliff he felt certain that there were men ready and willing to man them. (Cheers.) He felt proud of the crew, and the manner in which they had been treated by the residents of Ballarat, who had always taken a lively interest in the Cliff. Mr. '''Bechervaise''' proposed "The Secretary of the Movement" (Mr Jenkins, of Ballarat). Mr. Jenkins, who was received with cheers, said that the secretaryship had been a labour of love to him. He felt proud to be introduced to such men as composed the lifeboat crew. He was a colonial himself, and he believed that if he had pushed the affair he would have raised £500 instead of £100. (Cheers.) He had scarcely met with a refusal whilst collecting for the movement. Mr. Morey proposed "The Pilots," who, he said, were a valuable and experienced body of men. From the experience he had gained in travel he could confidently say that the local men were as good as any pilots in the world. They had risked their lives in the vain endeavour to save the ill-fated barque Gange, and such men as these should not be forgotten. He referred to the heroism of Pilot Evans and the two boatmen in attempting to board the barque in a small boat, with such a tremendous sea running. (The toast was drunk with three times three cheers.) He agreed with Mr. Admans in saying that a lifeboat station should be erected at Point Lonsdale. Several other toasts followed, interspersed with songs. The Queenscliff brass band played selections at intervals. After the customary vote of thanks to the chairman, the proceedings terminated with the National Anthem. The following is the address to the crew:— "To the Superintendent, Coxswain, and Crew of the Queencliff Lifeboat.— Dear Sirs,— The commodore, officers, and members of the Ballarat Yacht Club, together with the whole of the residents of Ballarat and district, desire to offer you their hearty congratulations on the successful rescue of all hands from the Austrian barque Gange, when stranded near Point Lonsdale, Victoria, on the night of the 23rd of July, 1887. Like true men, disregarding your own safety when the lives of your fellow-creatures were in jeopardy, you promptly and cheerfully manned your boat, and after struggling for long hours against the stormy elements on a dark night, you were enabled by the smart way in which the boat was handled to take off the whole of the crew and a brave little woman, the captain's wife. My lads, one and all, we are proud of you, and we know that we are expressing the feelings of all communities of the Australian colonies — aye, and all the people of the civilised world — when we say that your heroic conduct on the occasion of the wreck of the Gange is the admiration of all. Wishing you with your families great prosperity, health, happiness, and long life. "Signed on behalf of the residents of Ballarat and district. "T. H. Thomson, Mayor of the City of Ballarat. "James Russell, Mayor of the Town of Ballarat." Then follow the names of the officers and members of the Ballarat Yacht Club and others.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article7865008 |title=THE WRECK OF THE GANGE. PRESENTATION TO THE LIFEBOAT CREW. |newspaper=[[The Argus (Melbourne)]] |issue=12,833 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=8 August 1887 |accessdate=8 December 2020 |page=6 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise proposes a fund to assist in the beautification of the lakes and gardens of Ballarat <blockquote>A suggestion that is likely to bear fruit which will be to the advantage of the city was made last night by Mr '''Bechervaise''' at a social gathering at Craig's hotel. That gentleman was referring to the great attraction that the lake and gardens were to Ballarat, and suggested that a fund should be established for further beautifying them. He remarked that it was well known that the City Council had not the money to spare that they would like to lay out on these places. There were many citizens who benefited by them, and they ought to assist in beautifying them. He was prepared to give £50 provided £2000 were raised, or £25 if £1000 was subscribed, for improving these beauty spots. The Government could, no doubt, be induced to give a substantial donation when they saw the people willing to help themselves. There were so many ratepayers in Ballarat beneficially influenced by the attractiveness of the lake and gardens that he did not think the least difficulty would be experienced in raising the money. Mr '''Bechervaise's''' remarks were very well received, and he had scarcely resumed his seat ere Mr John Hardy rose, and announced his willingness to give £200 towards the object. Mr Hardy's munificent offer was received with loud applause. Cr Salter spoke in favor of the scheme. He remarked that, as a representative of the North ward, the ratepayers in which were not so much interested in the lake and gardens, he had occasionally to protest against so much of the general revenue being spent there. At the same time he thought there were many business men who were directly interested in maintaining the beauty of these recreation grounds, and they should be ready to contribute. Subsequently Mr W. Bentley, the popular host of Craig's hotel, and Mr Moore, the financial agent of the Tramways Company, signified their willingness to give £25 each. There was thus £300 promised at the meeting, and the object is such a worthy one that there should be no difficulty in raising the sum mentioned by Mr '''Bechervaise'''. <ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article207772797 |title=No title |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXII, |issue=187 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=10 August 1887 |accessdate=8 December 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1887 09===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Bechervaise again appointed to School of Mines administrative council <blockquote>'''THE SCHOOL OF MINES.''' The ordinary monthly meeting of the administrative council and a special meeting of the council were held at the School yesterday. Present — Messrs Andrew Anderson, J.P., vice-president (in the chair), Crs R. T. Vale, M.L.A., '''W. P. Bechervaise''', J. Lonie, and F. J. Martell. Apologies were received for the unavoidable absence of his lordship the Bishop of Ballarat, and the hon. treasurer, I. J. Jones, J.P. Minutes of previous meeting were read and confirmed, and accounts amounting to £211 2s 7d, as recommended by the finance committee, were passed for payment. Applications for the delivery of a science lecture weekly to the more advanced pupils of their respective schools were received from Messrs Elvins, Lowther, and Potter, and favorably entertained; the professor of chemistry, &c., and Cr Martell to be requested to make the necessary arrangements. Professor McCoy, examiner in mineralogy, reported that candidate No. 843 (Mr W. P. Gronow) had passed well in mineralogy. Mr Hugh Reid tendered his resignation as a member of the council, owing to business engagements preventing his giving attention to the duties connected with the position. It was resolved that Mr Reid be requested to retain his seat on the general council for the remainder of the term, and Mr '''Bechervaise''' was appointed a member of the administrative council in the room of Mr Reid. A communication received from Mr Oddie, requesting that a case of mineral and geological specimens might be forwarded to him in England was favorably considered, and it was decided to request the curator to prepare a suitable collection for transmission. Crs '''Bechervaise''' and Lonie were appointed a visiting committee for the ensuing month. Plans and specifications for the erection of a mineralogical laboratory and curator's office combined were submitted and approved; tenders returnable within a week from date to be invited for execution of the work in accordance with the same. Crs Rosenblum and Martell with the Professors at the school were appointed to draft fresh statutes rendered necessary to accord with the recently revised constitution. It was resolved that classes conducted at the school by teachers unattached, should be held conformably with the hours and terms adopted at this institution. The council then adjourned.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article207774196 |title=THE SCHOOL OF MIXES. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXII, |issue=210 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=6 September 1887 |accessdate=8 December 2020 |page=4 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise again elected a vice-president of the Electric Telegraph Rowing Club at its annual meeting <blockquote>'''ROWING NOTES. BY OUTRIGGER.''' . . . The annual meeting of the Electric Telegraph Rowing Club was held at the Bush Inn on Friday evening, the 26th ult., when the report and balance-sheet for the past year were presented and adopted. The report showed that the club had made fair progress during the past year, and had been successful through its representatives in winning the Maiden Eight Oared Race at the Upper Yarra Regatta. The club races of which there had been a good number had passed off successfully. The election of office-bearers for the season 1887-88 resulted as follows:— President, Mr. F. T. Derham, M.P.; vice-presidents, Messrs. Gay, Miller, Bechervaise and Jenvey; captain, Mr. C. Miller; vice-captain, Mr. C. Wild; secretary, Mr. S. Schlamm; treasurer, Mr. F. Peacock; committee, Messrs. White, McKinnon and Fitzgerald. Several new members were elected at the meeting, and promises of some excellent club prizes were received. <ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article196498105 |title=ROWING NOTES. |newspaper=[[Leader]] |issue=1652 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=10 September 1887 |accessdate=8 December 2020 |page=21 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise's son Walter Reed Bechervaise arrives in Darwin <blockquote>Two recent arrivals from south, Mr. Findlay and Mr. '''W. R. Bechervaise''', are to start up country tomorrow, simply for the purpose of having a look round the mining districts.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article47997339 |title=The North Australian. |newspaper=[[North Australian (Darwin)]] |volume=V, |issue=16 |location=Northern Territory, Australia |date=17 September 1887 |accessdate=8 December 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise, on behalf of the Government, takes over the local Telephone Exchange Company <blockquote>Mr '''Bechervaise''', city post and telegraph master, yesterday formally took over, on behalf of the Government, the local business of the Telephone Exchange Company. Subscribers will have noted with pleasure that the Government intend to effect certain much-needed improvements in the service, and will doubtless be well pleased when they are effected.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article207775108 |title=No title |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXII, |issue=226 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=24 September 1887 |accessdate=8 December 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> As previous, controversy when staff of telephone exchanged are sacked <blockquote>The staff at the Ballarat Telephone Exchange — Mr J. McNeil, manager; Mr Harris, telephone inspector; Messrs Morgan, King, and Cutter, operators — have received instructions that their services are to be dispensed with, the operators having the option of continuing their duties on condition that they undergo one of the Public Service Board examinations. Whether this examination is to be of the clerical or non-clerical order has not been stated. On Friday Mr '''W. P. Bechervaise''', as city post and telegraph master, took over on behalf of his department the telephone offices and appliances in use in Ballarat. It seems that an impression has prevailed for a considerable time among the employees at the telephone exchanges in the colony that the Government would on purchasing the system retain a number if not all of the hands in the employ of the vending company, as they had according to all-round reports given every satisfaction to subscribers, but that in all future engagements applicants would, before being taken on, have to submit to a clerical or non-clerical examination. We hear that the case of the Ballarat telephone office employees is to be brought under the notice of the Government, with the view of bringing about an arrangement which, if carried out, would give satisfaction to the staffs engaged in all the exchanges in the colony. In the Ballarat Exchange one of the employees has worked hard for five years in order to render himself thoroughly conversant with the working of the machinery, and his case was to have been brought under the notice of Mr Smibert, deputy Postmaster-General, yesterday.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article207775232 |title=No title |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXII, |issue=228 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=27 September 1887 |accessdate=8 December 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1887 10===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Bechervaise attends administrative council and ordinary meeting of School of Mines, telegraphy students awarded certificates <blockquote>'''THE SCHOOL OF MINES.''' The ordinary monthly meeting of the administrative council was held at the School yesterday. Present — Mr Andrew Anderson, J.P., vice-president (in the chair), Crs R. T. Vale, M.L.A., '''W. P. Bechervaise''', and F. J. Martell. Minutes of previous ordinary and special meetings, held respectively on the 5th and 13th ultimo, were read and confirmed. Accounts presented, amounting to £220 11s 8d, examined and recommended by the finance committee, were passed for payment. Monthly progress reports from the teaching staff were received and adopted. These referred to the school work as proceeding with the usual regularity. The correspondence submitted included a letter from the secretary Centennial International Exhibition, Melbourne, 1888, inviting the co-operation and assistance of the council in promoting the success of the undertaking, especially in matters connected with mining and the associated industries. It was resolved that the School should associate itself with the Mining Department, and that the professors be requested to render every possible assistance in the direction indicated. A communication was received from Mr C. R. Blackett, president of the Pharmacy Board of Victoria, consenting to act as examiner in inorganic chemistry and assaying for Mr J. Cosmo Newbery, C.M.G., during his absence from the colony. The contract work for the mineralogical laboratory building was reported as progressing favorably, and a progress payment of £75 on account thereof was authorised. Plans and specifications for drainage, footpath, &c., together with a requisition for furniture for equipment of same were also submitted and approved. The ordinary quarterly meeting of the council was then held, there bring present in addition the abovenamed gentlemen — Councillors his Worship the Mayor of Ballarat East (Theo. Williams, J.P.) and J. Lonie. An apology was received for the unavoidable absence of his lordship the Bishop of Ballarat. Minutes of previous ordinary quarterly meeting held 11th July last, and of special meetings held on the 21st and 27th idem and 5th September ultimo, were read and confirmed. The following students having passed the prescribed examinations were granted the School's certificate of competency in the several subjects named:— John Stewart, captain of shift, alluvial mines (passed with credit); William Thomas Gronow, in mineralogy (passed well); Martha Maria Berry, James William ? Broadwood, Mary Ann Cameron, Jane Cox, Lucy Jane Gibson, Mary Jane Guthrie (credit), Agnes Mary T. Kane, Nora Elsina Lynberg, Christina Mackay, Maude Louisa Millett, Harriet Mary Mitchell, Richard Wilson Parker, Mabel Pearson, Anna Sophia Maud Schloo, Cecilia Carmichael Sharpe and Alice Maude Spunner in telegraphy; Harry Mortimer Martell and Alfred George Curthoys, in practical pharmacy; William College, in materia medica and botany; Alfred Garrard Wheeler, in elementary practical chemistry. A copy of the report of the conference appointed to draw up a uniform code of signals for mines; and printed copies of the constitution statutes and examination regulations of the School were laid on the table. The hon. J. Warrington Rogers, Q.C., formerly vice-president of the School requested his lordship the Bishop of Ballarat to communicate to the council that he is anxious to serve the School in every way having a strong sense of the importance of the institution. An intimation was also received to the effect that the Government had requested the bishop to accept a seat as a Crown nominee in the council of the School. Some other routine business being disposed of the council then adjourned.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article207776045 |title=THE SCHOOL OF MINES. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXII, |issue=242 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=13 October 1887 |accessdate=8 December 2020 |page=4 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1887 11===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> =====1887 12===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Bechervaise and daughter leave Melbourne for Launceston <blockquote>'''Sailed.'''— Mungana for Launceston. Passengers — saloon: Dr. Lermitte, Hon. Adye Douglas, Mr. and Mrs. Ellis, Mr. and Mrs. Langdon, Mr. and Mrs. George and servant, Mr. and Mrs. Parker, Mesdames Waugh, Hitchcock, '''Misses''' Plaxton, Kelly, Grey, Gatenby, Langdale, Hall, Meyers, Hitchcock, Robert George, Kerr, '''Bechervaise''', '''Messrs.''' Chatham, J. Dodgshun, J. E. Dodgshun, Landale, jun., Barlow, Barnard, McPhee, Kennedy, Murray, Wynstay, Marsh, Robertson, Arthur, Synnot, Clennett, Robert, Ross, Benson (2), Dobbyn, Dowd, Day, Brown, '''Bechervaise''', Horver, Lyttleton, Croft, T. Lovett, W. Lovett, R. Smith, Piper, Fearnley, Frith, E. C. Barnes, A. M. Barnes, Broomhead; and 25 in the steerage.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article9140734 |title=Intercolonial Telegrams. |newspaper=[[w:The Mercury (Hobart)|The Mercury]] |volume=LI, |issue=5,559 |location=Tasmania, Australia |date=13 December 1887 |accessdate=11 December 2020 |page=3 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise on leave for three week tour of Tasmania, Binstead acting <blockquote>'''Mr W. P. Bechervaise''', local post and telegraph master, left on Saturday for a three weeks' trip through Tasmania. His duties will be performed during his absence by Mr Binstead.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article209209862 |title=No title |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXII, |issue=294 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=13 December 1887 |accessdate=11 December 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise and daughter leave Hobart for Melbourne <blockquote>'''SHIPPING.''' . . . SAILED.— December 27. Corinna, s.s., 1,280 tons, Thos. Capurn, for Melbourne. Passengers — Saloon: Mr. and Mrs. Struter, Mrs. Bilton; Misses E. Robinson, Fowler, '''Bechervaise'''; Messrs. Murphy, W. Morgan, Simpson, D. McRae; and 21 in the second saloon. Agents — T.S.N. Co.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article9141229 |title=SHIPPING. |newspaper=[[w:The Mercury (Hobart)|The Mercury]] |volume=LI, |issue=5,571 |location=Tasmania, Australia |date=28 December 1887 |accessdate=13 December 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise and daughter arrive Melbourne from Hobart <blockquote>'''SHIPPING INTELLIGENCE. HOBSON'S BAY.''' . . . ARRIVED.— Dec 29. . . . Corinna, T.S.N. Co.'s s.s., 1,280 tons, T. Capurn, from Hobart 27th inst. Passengers — saloon: Mesdames McRae, Bilton and Strutter, Misses '''Bechervaise''', Fowler, and Robinson, Messrs. Strutter, Morgan, '''Bechervaise''', Murphy, Drury, Simpson; and 19 in the steerage. Chas. Hudson, agent.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article7883299 |title=SHIPPING INTELLIGENCE. |newspaper=[[The Argus (Melbourne)]] |issue=12,956 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=30 December 1887 |accessdate=13 December 2020 |page=4 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> ====1888==== <!-- <blockquote><ref></ref></blockquote> --> =====1888 01===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Bechervaise attends quarterly meeting of Council of School of Mines <blockquote>The quarterly meeting of the council of the School of Mines was held last evening at the school, when there were present the vice-president (Cr A. Anderson), and Crs '''Bechervaise''', Serjeant, Lonie, Martell, Jones, Bickett, Williams, Vale, and Wynne. Apologies were received for the absence of Bishop Thornton and Professor Irving. The certificates of competency recommended by the examiners, which have been already particularised, were granted. The report of the honorary board of examiners was referred back for explanation as to the reason why pupils in the State school class for elementary physics were recommended scholarships, while others who had obtained a higher percentage in the class for elementary chemistry were not so recommended. Some discussion took place in reference to the recommendation of the education committee submitted at the previous meeting, "that the present lecturer on astronomy be notified that his services will cease to be required at the end of the current term." Mr Martell moved, and Mr Vale seconded, "That his services be dispensed with, as the subjects taught overlapped those taught in another department of the school." An amendment was moved by Mr Bickett and seconded by Mr '''Bechervaise''', "That the question be deferred for consideration for another term." Three voted for the motion and the amendment, and the chairman gave his casting vote in favor of the latter. The statement of receipts and expenditure for the past year showed that there was a credit balance on the general account of £151 0s 9d, while there was £563 11s 9d to the credit of the endowment fund, and £807 7s 1d to the credit of the building fund. The auditor, Mr Charles Kent, certified to the correctness of the accounts, and paid a high compliment to the registrar, in reference to the accuracy and completeness of the books. The report was adopted. The treasurer (Mr I. J. Jones) submitted his financial statement for the past year. They had commenced the year with a debit balance of £330 2s 7d, and had wound up with a credit balance of £151 0s 9d, besides increasing the amounts to the credit of the endowment and building funds. The fees for the year had amounted to £1064 9s 6d, a greater sum than in any previous year, but the public subscriptions were less. They began this year with a credit balance, and would no doubt be able to extend the operations of the school. The report was received, and on the motion of Mr Bickett, seconded by Mr Serjeant, a hearty vote of thanks was passed to the treasurer. Several other matters were dealt with, and the council then adjourned until Monday next, at 4.30 p.m. <ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article209211161 |title=No title |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXIII, |issue=7 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=10 January 1888 |accessdate=13 December 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise attends special meeting of Council of School of Mines <blockquote>A special meeting of the council of the School of Mines was held yesterday at the School, when there were present the vice-president (Mr A. Anderson), and Messrs '''Bechervaise''', Lonie, Martell, Jones, Williams, Rosenblum, Vale, and the Rev. Dr Roseby. The report of the honorary board of examiners, which had been referred back for explanation in reference to the awarding of scholarships to State school pupils, was adopted, and the explanation deemed satisfactory. The awards recommended by the examiners were made. Messrs '''Bechervaise''' and Martell, the subcommittee to whom the matter of letting rooms for outside classes was referred, recommended that the use of rooms be granted from term to term, subject to the accommodation at disposal, on the following terms:— One guinea per quarter for one night a week, and half a guinea a quarter for one day a week, and so on in proportion, these charges to be made to cover cost of maintenance. It was decided, after a little discussion, to make a regulation embodying the suggestions of the subcommittee. The hon. treasurer submitted his annual estimate of receipts and expenditure for the current year. The estimate was adopted. The salaries of the officers for the present year were gone into, and a number of alterations made. Several routine matters were dealt with, and the council adjourned. <ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article209211550 |title=No title |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXIII, |issue=13 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=17 January 1888 |accessdate=13 December 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1888 02===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Bechervaise attends a further special meeting of Council of School of Mines <blockquote>'''THE SCHOOL OF MINES.''' A special meeting of the council of the School of Mines was held yesterday. Bishop Thornton, Bishop Moore, and Messrs Serjeant, '''Bechervaise''' and Lonie were elected as additional members of the Administrative Council, the number now being 15, instead of 10. Bishop Moore was appointed as an additional representative of the University. Mr Molloy was also elected as a member of the council. The president, vice-president, the treasurer, and Mr Lindsay were appointed on the buildings committee. Dr Roseby and Dr Ochiltree were added to the education committee; Messrs Serjeant, Vale, and Lindsay to the mining and machinery committee; and Dr Roseby and Mr Rosenblum to the museum committee. A hearty vote of thanks was passed to the affiliation committee. Professor Beechy's application to be attached to the staff as a professor of French was referred to the education committee. It was decided that the education committee should bring up a report on the curriculum for the Bachelors of Science degree. The splendid photographs of New Zealand, New South Wales, and New Guinea scenes, presented by Mr Oddie, were referred to, and it was suggested that they should be displayed on the walls of the museum.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article209212549 |title=THE SCHOOL OF MIXES. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXIII, |issue=29 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=4 February 1888 |accessdate=13 December 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise hosts visiting captains <blockquote>On Saturday Captain W. Martin, of the ship Loch Loy, Captain Barclay, of the Edinburgh, and Captain Petrie arrived in Ballarat on a visit. The gentlemen mentioned are the guests of Messrs A. Lester and '''W. P. Bechervaise''' during their stay here. <ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article209212949 |title=No title |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXIII, |issue=36 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=13 February 1888 |accessdate=13 December 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise announces the telephone exchange to be co-located with the telegraph office and new telephones substituted <blockquote>It is intended shortly to remove the telephone exchange from the rooms at present occupied, in Lydiard street north, in the public buildings, in order that it may be under the same roof as the telegraph office, and therefore more easily managed. Meanwhile, improved telephones are being substituted for such as are damaged, as fast as can be done. The department desire that where any cause of complaint in the service in Ballarat arises, it should be at once reported to the post and telegraph master, Mr '''W. P. Bechervaise'''.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article209213170 |title=No title |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXIII, |issue=40 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=17 February 1888 |accessdate=13 December 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1888 03===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Bechervaise's son Walter Reed Bechervaise arrives in Darwin to commence mining operations <blockquote>'''Shipping. PORT DARWIN. ARRIVED.''' Saturday, March 3 — The E. & A. Co.'s s.s. Catterthun, Captain Darke, from southern ports. Passengers: For Port Darwin — Mr. and Mrs. Baxter, Messrs. F. Mugg, A. J. Rundle, — Rees, T. McNamara, — Baxter, — Blowright, R. Trench, H. Bowley, S. Penifold, A. Cadell, '''W. Bechervaise''', C. S. Mann, S. Sergison, H. Blune, W. J. Fox. C. Scott, J. Zethem, J. Hass, H. Oakes, W. Byrnes, J. Champman, and one Malay and one Chinese. For Hongkong — Messrs. J. J. Davies, Ah Hien, W. G. Playford, S. H. Blake, and 18 deck passengers.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article47998043 |title=Shipping. |newspaper=[[North Australian (Darwin)]] |volume=V, |issue=40 |location=Northern Territory, Australia |date=10 March 1888 |accessdate=13 December 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> As previous, further detail <blockquote>A mining expert, Mr. A. Cadell, is now here on his way to make an inspection of the Flora Bell silver mine. Mr. W. H. (sic, W. R.) '''Bechervaise''', who was up this way a few weeks back, and who has an interest in this property, will accompany Mr. Cadell.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article47998042 |title=The North Australian. |newspaper=[[North Australian (Darwin)]] |volume=V, |issue=40 |location=Northern Territory, Australia |date=10 March 1888 |accessdate=13 December 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Further report, Cadell part of a syndicate looking to invest in mining operations near Maudie's Creek <blockquote>'''Deputation re Up-country Roads, and Duty on Mining Machinery.''' A deputation, consisting of Messrs. V. V. Brown, Arthur Giles, R. A. Ker, Browne, Ffrench, '''Bechervaise''', and Cadell, were introduced to the Minister of Education (Hon. J. C. F. Johnson) by Mr. H. H. Adcock, Chairman of the Palmerston District Council. . . . Mr. Ffrench said that they had one other matter to bring before the Minister, which was the question of the duty on mining machinery. He thought that the Government should assist the pioneers of new districts, as they have to bear the brunt of making roads, finding sites for machinery, and pioneering the country generally. They asked that the duty on mining machinery might be abolished altogether, or if that were not possible, that it might be made a nominal rate until the country had been thoroughly tested and proved. They were there prepared to spend money, and he thought the Government should give them some encouragement. Mr. Cadell said he represented a syndicate of Victorian capitalists, that he had come to inspect, and if the reports furnished were anything like correct, to approve of a property. To develop mineral properties they must put on machinery, and by removing restrictions the Government would materially assist that development. Mr. H. H. Adcock said that various applications had been made to the Government to remove these duties, but without success. He could not see why, if South Australia admitted flour milling machinery, which was necessary to the development of a staple industry there, duty free, mining machinery, which is absolutely necessary to the development of the Territory, should be made to pay. We have done our best to develop the natural resources of the country, and need some assistance and consideration at the hands of the Government. Fifteen per cent. duty added to the prime cost of valuable machinery was a heavy handicap. . . . <ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article3312419 |title=Deputation re Up-country Roads, and Duty on Mining Machinery. |newspaper=[[Northern Territory Times And Gazette]] |volume=XIV, |issue=749 |location=Northern Territory, Australia |date=10 March 1888 |accessdate=13 December 2020 |page=3 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise's son Walter Reed Bechervaise to sell his interest in Flora Bell Silver Mine <blockquote>Messrs. Cadell and '''Bechervaise''' returned from their trip to the Twelve-Mile locality on Tuesday last, and we understand that Mr. Cadell's visit of inspection to the Flora Bell Silver Mine has not resulted fruitlessly. With what he saw he seems so favorably impressed that the mine may already be said to be the property the capitalists whom he represents. The interests held by Mr. J. B. Robinson and Messrs. '''Bechervaise''' and Findlay will all be taken over on mutually agreeable terms, and the next thing we desire to see is a beginning made towards thoroughly opening up this silver selection.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article47998095 |title=The North Australian. |newspaper=[[North Australian (Darwin)]] |volume=V, |issue=42 |location=Northern Territory, Australia |date=24 March 1888 |accessdate=13 December 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise again in Tasmania on leave <blockquote>'''SHIPPING NEWS. ARRIVED.''' . . . March 30 — Southern Cross, s.s., 1000 tons, Adam Drysdale, master, from Melbourne. Passengers — Saloon: Mr and Mrs Kean, Mr and Mrs Walpole, Mr and Mrs Keirl, Mr and Mrs A. Hayward, Mr and Mrs G. Stacey and two children, Mr and Mrs J. F. Whyte, Mr and Mrs Galt; Mesdames Macrow, Seccombe, Joynt, T. J. Doolan and child, Belbin, Syrill, Manser; Misses Bellin, Raymond, Cherry, Edginton, Ricketts, Paterson, Campbell; Messrs. Ratcliff, Trainer, Briggs, Turner, Bidencope, K. Joynt, Harcourt, Clowes, Lamb, Kingston (2), Atkinson, H. Hills, Kinster, Grubstone, Cole, Tinnuies, Dougharty, Bechervaise, Barker, Bryan, Bruce, Huff, Bond, Hookey, Strange, All-port, McCrae, Knowldson, Barnett, Edginton, Barnes, Eastwood (2), Burbury, Douglas, Lincoln, Ricketts, A. C. Casey, McKenzie (2), Power, Lorimer, Hammett, Moule, Hlbymne, Zeplin, Day, Wabmasley, Stewart; Hon. N. J. Brown; Drs. Casey and A. G. Black; 68 in the steerage. <ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article149496581 |title=SHIPPING NEWS. |newspaper=[[w:Daily Telegraph|Daily Telegraph]] |volume=VIII, |issue=71 |location=Tasmania, Australia |date=31 March 1888 |accessdate=13 December 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1888 04===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Bechervaise returns to Melbourne after Tasmanian holiday <blockquote>'''SHIPPING INTELLIGENCE. HOBSON'S BAY.''' . . . ARRIVED. . . . APRIL 8. . . . Southern Cross, s s., 478 tons, W. A. Pearce, from N.W. Coast Tasmania. Passengers — Saloon: Mr. and Mrs. Hyman, Mr. and Mrs. Brown, Mr. and Mrs. Marshall, Mr. and Mrs. McKean, Mr. and Mrs. Quin-ton, Mesdames Miller, Howson, Johnstone, Misses Hewitt, Wallan, Sutcliffe, Ford, Armytage, Messrs. Jowett (two), Longdon, Ross, Haddon, '''Bechervaise''', Kirkhouse, Bond, Judd, Boves, Bower, Rooke, Pearce, Ditchbourne, Gordon Pennefather, Norris Clarke, Shaw, Sheppard, Cotter, Cobens, Capt. Jones, and 31 in the steerage. C. Hudson, agent.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article6115907 |title=SHIPPING INTELLIGENCE. |newspaper=[[The Argus (Melbourne)]] |issue=13,041 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=9 April 1888 |accessdate=13 December 2020 |page=6 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise's dau-in-law appointed deputy registrar of births and deaths at Elmhurst (Harriet Agnes Bechervaise formerly Lewis née Tonge, wife of Herbert Price Bechervaise) <blockquote>'''THE GOVERNMENT GAZETTE.''' The following information is taken from the Government Gazette issued yesterday:— The following appointments have been made:— . . . '''Harriet Bechervaise''', Helen Fullarton, and Fanny Weller, to be deputy registrars of births and deaths at Elmhurst, Streatham, and Tungamah respectively; . . .<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article6119392 |title=THE GOVERNMENT GAZETTE. |newspaper=[[The Argus (Melbourne)]] |issue=13,052 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=21 April 1888 |accessdate=13 December 2020 |page=12 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise attends quarterly meeting of the council of the School of Mines, recommends that Telegraphy Certificates be endorsed by the examiners <blockquote>The quarterly meeting of the council of the School of Mines was held yesterday at the school, when there were present the vice-president (Cr A. Anderson), and Crs '''Bechervaise''', Lindsay, Williams, Vale, Lonie, Molloy, Bickett, Martell, Capel, Rosenblum, Wynne, Figgis, Robertson, the Ven. Arch-deacon Julius, and the Rev. Dr Roseby. Certificates were granted to successful students in the late examinations. The Ven. Archdeacon Julius was appointed a member of the administrative council. The appointment of an office assistant was left in the hands of the education committee. The question of the erection of roasting furnace in connection with the mining laboratory was referred for report to the machinery committee. The expenditure necessary for the construction of a fume chamber in the chemical laboratory, to cost £39 10s, was authorised on the motion of Cr Lonie, seconded by Cr Wynne. The reports of the professors and lecturers in reference to the additional accommodation likely to be required in the future for biological and physical laboratories, lecture-rooms, &c., were submitted. The education and building committees were requested to consider the reports, and to bring up a report to a special meeting of the council in order that competitive designs might be invited for a new building of uniform design. Cr Martell moved a motion standing in his name to the effect that steps be taken to establish a cookery class in connection with the school. The motion was lost by seven votes to four. It was resolved that the lecturers in mathematics and astronomy be notified that their services be dispensed with. The registrar was instructed to write to the warden of the University, Mr C. A. Topp, or any other competent gentleman to nominate a suitable gentleman as a lecturer in biology. It was decided, on the suggestion of Cr '''Bechervaise''', to have the certificates granted to successful candidates in telegraphy endorsed by the examiners. The council then adjourned. <ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article209440471 |title=No title |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXIII, |issue=96 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=24 April 1888 |accessdate=13 December 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1888 05===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Bechervaise chairs annual general meeting of Ballarat Gymnastic Association <blockquote>'''GYMNASTIC ASSOCIATION.''' The annual general meeting of the Ballarat Gymnastic Association was held at the Gymnasium on last Friday. There was a good attendance of members. Mr '''Bechervaise''', vice-president, in the absence of the president, Mr A. Anderson, occupied the chair. The annual report and balance-sheet were read and adopted. The following gentlemen were elected officers for the ensuing season:— President, Mr A. Anderson; vice-presidents, Messrs E. L. King and Robt. Hammond; committee (with power to add to their num-ber), Messrs '''Bechervaise''', Holmes, Welch, E. Hammond, Eyres, Cathcart, and Bright. Mr J. Moran was re-elected auditor, and Mr Weight was re-elected secretary. It was decided to open the season on Tuesday, 1st May, when the gentlemen's class will meet at 8 o'clock. A vote of thanks to the officers brought a very successful meeting to a close.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article209440891 |title=GYMNASTIC ASSOCIATION. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXIII, |issue=102 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=1 May 1888 |accessdate=14 December 2020 |page=4 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise's son Walter Reed Bechervaise follows in his father's footsteps in a community role <blockquote>'''Race Meeting at Burrundie.''' On Monday evening last a meeting of sporting men was held at the Pioneer Hotel, Burrundie, for the purpose of considering the advisability of holding a race meeting at Burrundie during the present dry season. The attendance at the meeting was good, and the proceedings were con-ducted in a very becoming spirit. It was resolved to hold a race meeting early in August, but that the date be not fixed upon until it is known on what day the Palmerston meeting will be held. Resolved that the Hon. J. L. Parsons be asked to become patron of the meeting. Mr. C. W. Nash was appointed President, and Mr. '''Bechervaise''' Hon. Sec. A working committee was formed consisting of the following gentlemen:— Messrs. C. W. Nash, J. Timms, R. Moss, W. Lawler and Power. The sum of £87 was promised in the room, and it is calculated that there will be nearly £300 worth of prizes to be competed for. All further business was left over till a future meeting. A splendid course has been surveyed by Mr. Reichardt, free of charge, about two miles from Burrundie.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article47998229 |title=Race Meeting at Burrundie. |newspaper=[[North Australian (Darwin)]] |volume=V, |issue=48 |location=Northern Territory, Australia |date=5 May 1888 |accessdate=14 December 2020 |page=3 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise's son Walter Reed Bechervaise makes a vigorous start at the Flora Bell mine <blockquote>'''COUNTRY NOTES.''' . . . FLORA BELLE. Mr. '''Bechervaise''', who is conducting operations here, has made a vigorous start. He has put on fourteen men, and is busying engaged developing the property. The lode is looking well, and turning good quality ore.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article3312811 |title=COUNTRY NOTES |newspaper=[[Northern Territory Times And Gazette]] |volume=XIV, |issue=757 |location=Northern Territory, Australia |date=5 May 1888 |accessdate=14 December 2020 |page=3 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise attends ordinary monthly meeting of the administrative council of the School of Mines, 45 in telegraphy class <blockquote>'''THE SCHOOL OF MINES.''' The ordinary monthly meeting of the administrative council of the school was held yesterday. Present — Mr Andrew Anderson, J.P., vice-president, in the chair, Crs the Ven. Archdeacon Julius,, the Rev. Dr Roseby, '''W. P. Bechervaise''', J. Lonie, F. J. Mattell, R. T. Vale, M.L.A., and Agar Wynne. An apology was received for the absence of his lordship the Anglican bishop. Minutes of previous meeting, held on the 9th ult., were read and confirmed. Accounts amounting to £572 19s were passed for payment. The correspondence received for the month was submitted, including the usual progress reports furnished by the teaching staff. The following are the numbers reported on the school rolls, 30th April:— Chemistry, 22; metallurgy and assaying, 57; natural philosophy, 14; mine managers' class, 31; mineralogy, 15; geology, 16; mathematics, 11; mechanical engineering and drawing, 70; telegraphy, 45; pharmacy and physiology, 14; botany, 16; astronomy, 6, the total amount of fees for instruction received during April being £207 4s. Seventeen elementary science lectures to State school pupils were delivered during the month, the aggregate attendances numbering 1164. The correspondence included a communication from Mr Edwin Clark, the inventor of a "Patent safety cage and hook combined and improved," intimating that, having completed five working models of patent gripping devices, as applied to safety cages or "lifts," he intended to place the same for inspection, as follows:— At the Mining Department, Melbourne; the Schools of Mines at Ballarat and Sandhurst, the Centennial Exhibition, and at Langland's Foundry Company, Melbourne. The school was requested to make arrangements with the mining inspectors to be present at the time of receiving the model, when Mr Clark proposes to avail himself of the opportunity to explain its superior qualities above all others. The thanks of the council were accorded to the Rev. Dr Roseby for the presentation of 12 free tickets admitting as many students to a series of three lectures on astronomy, the first of which was to be delivered last evening. In view of the early completion of the crushing and amalgamating plant, which it is expected will be handed over by the contractors in about a week hence, a provisional scale of charges for assay and treatment of parcels was submitted and adopted. The scale will not be published until the actual cost to the School shall have been ascertained by experimental work. After transacting other routine business the council adjourned.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article209441311 |title=THE SCHOOL OF MINES. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXIII, |issue=109 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=9 May 1888 |accessdate=14 December 2020 |page=4 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise's son Herbert Price Bechervaise sustains an injury <blockquote>Mr H. '''Bechervaise''', of the Elmhurst State School, met with a painful accident on Tuesday, by which he sustained a dislocation of the shoulder. He was indulging in exercise on an horizontal bar when by some means he slipped and fell to the ground receiving the injury mentioned. Dr Roberts, of Avoca, was consulted as quickly as possible and the sufferer is now rapidly recovering.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article201524907 |title=No title |newspaper=[[Avoca Mail]] |issue=2,447 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=11 May 1888 |accessdate=14 December 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise attends demonstration of Suttontype Photoengraving Process and chairs subsequent discussions <blockquote>'''THE SUTTONTYPE PHOTO-ENGRAVING PROCESS.''' A new photo-engraving process, which, from its cheapness, expedition, and simplicity gives promise of revolutionising the art of illustrating, has recently been invented by Mr Henry Sutton, the well-known inventor, of Ballarat. The illustration of books and periodicals, even of the crudest kind, has always been done only with a considerable amount of labor and expense, and the want of some cheap and practical method of producing illustrations has had the effect of restricting their use. Among many other scientific studies, Mr Henry Sutton has devoted his attention to this subject, and has been successful in working out a process based upon an entirely new principle, automatic and simple, and capable of producing pictures which may take rank among the finest engravings. By means of this invention a photograph may be taken, and within two hours afterwards a plate produced for the copperplate, lithographic, or typographic press, and at an expense almost nominal. Yesterday, at the laboratory of Mr Sutton, a practical demonstration of the process was given to members of the press and other gentlemen interested. Among those present were — Professor Alf. Mica Smith, B.Sc., Mr '''W. P. Bechervaise''', Mr A. S. Burbidge, Mr F. W. Niven, Mr J. Curtis, Mr Jas. Oldham, and others. The process was explained and illustrated in its various details, and the demonstration was watched throughout with the greatest interest. The first step lay, of course, in the taking of a photograph, and in order to show what was possible with the Suttontype process, the inventor photographed a group of the gentlemen present on an ordinary dry plate. The photo in one respect differed from an ordinary negative, in that it was taken through another glass, with ruled lines intersecting one another, producing a kind of "grain," intended to cause sufficient relief on the Sutton-type block to allow it to be printed from without interfering with the different gradations of light and shadow. The "dry-plate" picture was treated, and then placed on a kind of tray heated by a gas jet, and the company invited to watch it. With the drying process the picture, before invisible, rose up on the surface of the plate in little ridges, while it presented all the appearances of an engraved block. Herein lies the whole fundamental principle of the Sutton-type, viz., in the discovery of a property in the gelatine under certain conditions, which does the work of the artist's graver in one-hundredth part of the time, and as finely and well as by the skilled workman. Mr Sutton explains that the gelatine in those places is unaffected by the light and melted, and drawn up into the other lines and stipples by a species of capillary attraction. This power he proved to be proportionate to the action of light, and therefore each little dot or line will automatically graduate itself in proportion to the action of light, and will be in gradation of size an exact counterpart of the half tones in the original. The time taken over this portion of the process was a little over three minutes. Another plate, with a copy of the engraving of Miss Mary Anderson, was prepared in about the same time. The plates are now ready, and have but to be electrotyped and mounted before they are printed from. The electrotyping was next shown, though the time was insufficient to prepare any of the plates previous treated. A number of others were in the bath, the electrotyping being done by a dynamo electric machine driven by water-power. In a third room were exhibited a number of intaglio copper plates and relief blocks, together with some excellent specimens of illustrations printed from both. In order to show how well they could be printed from along with type, a large number of circulars with a reproduction of a photograph of Gippsland scenery in the centre were run through a platen machine in the presence of the party. Another excellent little picture of a scene on the Mitchell River was printed from the stone in the lithographic press, and this closed the practical portion of the demonstration. At the invitation of the inventor (Mr Sutton), the party then sat down to an excellent luncheon, catered for by Mr McIntyre. Mr '''Bechervaise''' occupied the chair, and a number of toasts were proposed and honored. The chairman, after the usual loyal toasts, proposed the health of Mr Sutton, the inventor. He had taken great pleasure in watching Mr Sutton, and was very pleased that he had been afforded the opportunity of being present. They had spent a most interesting two hours, and he had great pleasure in congratulating Mr Sutton on his achievement. Mr Sutton, in reply, remarked that the demonstration was not given for any commercial reasons. He had invited them to witness experiments with a new thing in science and practice. The object of doing this in this manner was that the members of the Press, from whom he had received many requests, might have the opportunity of seeing the process. They saw some of the commonest and of the best. He was quite satisfied with his latest type block, that of Miss Anderson, because when he finished that he was in the position he had previously expected to be in five years hence. It was only necessary now to pass the process over to the professional photographer, the electrotyper, to secure better results. Professional men in each of the various branches must make an improvement. In referring to his early experiments, Mr Sutton said Mr Ellery had seen some a few days after the first experiment, and was immensely pleased. Professor Smith and Mr Ellery had both known all along of his discovery. He did not believe in the men who, when they could not perhaps take advantage of a discovery, kept it to themselves, and thus many a valuable discovery had been lost. The world had gone back in this way. His process was a remarkably simple thing. It needed no experience: a man required no art, and the cost was very little. He thanked them for their kind expressions towards him. Professor Smith remarked that he had great pleasure in being present to see the process. He had had the great fortune to have the confidence of Mr Sutton, and he had watched the process since its inception to the present time. He had seen that it had a great future before it, and from the way it had developed, they could expect that when each part of the process got into the hands of a professional man the development might proceed to very remarkable results. He had to congratulate Mr Sutton on the result of his labors. Mr F. W. Niven said he had had pleasure in assisting Mr Sutton in some of his experiments, and was delighted to see him take the subject up. He knew it was in the right hands, but in working the thing out there had been a great many difficulties to contend against. He had scarcely thought it could have been worked on a cylinder machine. When good men got to work on each department better results even would be obtained. Still it was proved that it could be worked on a cylinder machine. The artist would still have a finger in the pie, however, and must touch up the pictures in order to obtain the best results. He was delighted with the result of the day's experiments. It not an easy thing to produce a good photograph, and many of the defects were not the defects of Mr Sutton's process, but defects of photography. He had great pleasure in congratulating Mr Sutton. Mr James Oldham remarked that this was the great aid of reproductive art. France seemed to be leading the way, and science and art were going more hand in hand. Commercially Mr Sutton's invention was of great value. They saw good pictures in the magazines of art and illustrated journals, but they were so dear. They did not illustrate the newspapers because it could not be done cheaply enough. Mr Sutton's process would supply a want, and give the advantage of cheapness, where he thought it was capable of improvement was in the matter of refinement. There were immense possibilities before it, and, he wished to congratulate Mr Sutton on it. Mr Sutton said his aim had not been so much to produce high-class pictures as to supply illustrations for printers with the ordinary press. He had sacrificed the first in order to obtain latter. This was the fourth process he had invented during the past three years. It was the cheapest, probably the best. A block would cost about the same as the composition of type to occupy the same space. His was a dry-plate process, which was a great advantage. The difficulty had been to produce the half-tones, and this he had overcome. An apology was received, for the absence of Professor Ellery, Government Astronomer, from the proceedings.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article209442407 |title=THE SUTTONTYPE PHOTO-ENGRAVING PROCESS. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXIII, |issue=129 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=31 May 1888 |accessdate=14 December 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1888 06===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Bechervaise attends Ballarat City Mayoral Ball, partnered by his daughter <blockquote>'''THE CITY MAYORAL BALL.''' The annual ball given by the Mayor of the City took place last evening at the Alfred Hall, and proved a brilliant success. The weather was wintry and stormy, but this did not apparently have any effect on the attendance, no fewer than 278 couples were present, including many of the leading residents of this and other districts. Contrary to expectations the popular mayor of the city, the Hon. Lieutenant-Colonel W. C. Smith, M.L.A., was able to attend, but owing to his weak state of health was unable to join in the festivities. Among those present were also the Premier, the hon. Duncan Gillies, the Hon. Henry Cuthbert, Minister of Justice; the Hon. J. P. McPherson, M.L.C., the Hon. D. M. Davies, and Messrs C. E. Jones, R. T. Vale, and B. J. Fink, M's.L.A. The usual traffic arrangements were observed, and Grenville street north was closed to ordinary traffic after 8 o'clock. The vehicles arriving with guests formed a continuous procession along the north side of Sturt street, depositing their passengers in rotation at the entrance to the hall. The interior of the building was handsomely decorated, and the stage, with the fountain in full spray made the scene a most pleasing one. A programme of about 20 dances were arranged, and dancing was indulged in to the excellent music provided by a capable band under the leadership of Mr H. West. The whole of the arrangements were of the most complete order. A special apartment was set apart for the ladies' refreshments throughout the evening, and smoking and card rooms for the gentlemen were taken advantage of. Owing to the want of the requisite accommodation for such a large number of guests, supper was served in relays, the first relay being served at 11.30 p.m. Mr McIntyre, of Bridge street, was the caterer, and gave every satisfaction. The hall was, on the whole, one of the most brilliant yet given by the occupants of the city mayoral chair. The programme of dances was as follows:— 1. Waltz 11. Quadrille 2. Quadrille 12. Polka 3. Schottische 13. Lancers 4. Lancers 14. Waltz 5. Polka 15. Polka Mazurka 6. Waltz 16. Alberts 7. Quadrille 17. Schottische 8. Waltz 18. Waltz 9. Lancers 19. Parisienne 10. Galop 20. Galop Appended is the list of guests who accepted invitations to the ball:— Mr and Mrs A. Anderson, Misses Anderson, Mr and Mrs J. Allender, Mr and Mrs W. Angus, Miss Angus, Mr and Mrs R. H. Andrews, Mr R. R. Affleck, Mr W. H. Anderson. Mr and Mrs T. Bath, Mr and Mrs D. Brophy, '''Mr and Miss Bechervaise''', Mr W. J. Broadbent, . . . <ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article209442494 |title=THE CITY MAYORAL BALL. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXIII, |issue=130 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=1 June 1888 |accessdate=14 December 2020 |page=4 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1888 07===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Bechervaise's son Walter Reed Bechervaise progressing the Flora Bell Mine (please excuse the inexcusable embedded racism) <blockquote>'''COUNTRY NOTES.''' (FROM OUR OWN CORRESPONDENT.) . . . The Flora Bell Company has taken the best of the Chinkies who were working here for their mine, and is making rapid progress with works of development. Mr. '''Bechervaise''' has fifty men employed, and six shafts are being put down with three shifts each. All the shafts have reached depths of from fifty to eighty feet, and have improved steadily as they have gone down showing the greatest width of lode and the richest ore at the bottom. Last Saturday I went down to the bottom of five of the shafts, and remarked the improvement in the lode from the surface down. The width of lode in the various shafts is from 3 feet 6 inches to 6 feet, and the assays in the deepest shafts are very rich. Should this mine continue to improve for the next 100 feet, as it has to the present depth, the public will have no reason to regret having invested in it.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article3313282 |title=COUNTRY NOTES. |newspaper=[[Northern Territory Times And Gazette]] |volume=XIV, |issue=767 |location=Northern Territory, Australia |date=14 July 1888 |accessdate=14 December 2020 |page=3 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise's passing over for promotion raised in Legislative Assembly <blockquote>'''PARLIAMENT. LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY.''' Tuesday, 17th July. The Speaker took the chair at half-past 4 o'clock. . . . THE PUBLIC SERVICE. Colonel Smith moved the order of the House on the question of promotions in the Public Service. He had correspondence in his hands which would prove that in one department at least members of a certain family were promoted over the heads of their seniors; and in a case he would submit the postmaster of Ballarat, Mr '''Bechervaise''', was unjustly ignored. A chief inspector was wanted, and instead of the senior officer getting the appointment the position was given to a Mr Caldwell on the recommendation of his brother-in-law, Mr Smibert. During Mr Patterson's term of office the Postal Department was in an unsatisfactory condition, and Mr '''Bechervaise''' was brought to Melbourne to reorganise it, but his abilities had been reflected upon because Mr Caldwell was related to Mr Smibert. The Public Service Board had remonstrated against the job, and he hoped the Government would not allow such a state of affairs to continue. Mr Langridge — Does Mr '''Bechervaise''' object to leave Ballarat? Colonel Smith — Not at all. It was a disgrace the manner in which Mr '''Bechervaise''' had been passed over. He was admitted to be an efficient officer, but could not fill this position because he was not related to a still higher officer in the Public Service. As they had a Public Service Act it should be carried out in its entirety. Sir Bryan O'Loghlen said that during his two years of office Mr '''Bechervaise''' held a high and responsible position, and proved himself an able and reliable officer. Mr '''Bechervaise''' might have a good action at law, but that would be expensive, and if he won it the Government would of course appeal to the Privy Council. As another instance of the manner in which the Public Service Board does its work. Mr Bell, the best Government shorthand writer, was appointed Registrar of County Courts and Chief Clerk in Insolvency because he deserved promotion, but Mr Lynch, who was qualified to fill the position and had been in the department for 35 years, was offered promotion also — the board offered to make him short-hand writer, although the man had never written a sentence of shorthand in his life. Mr Lynch had to refuse the promotion, and according to the Act he has lost his right to that promotion through having refused. Mr Vale supported the motion, and also complained of unfair transfers and irregular promotions. It seemed that there was a lot of patronage in connection with the transfers, and this matter rested entirely with the heads of the departments. He thought a committee should be appointed to enquire into the manner in which transfer and promotions are made. Mr Field thought there was something wrong when a head of a department was called upon to report on the merits of his relatives. So far as he could see, the intentions of Parliament in passing the Act had not been carried out, and they had built up a much worse form of patronage. It would be better to revert to the old system than to allow officers to give patronage to their relatives. The system of transferring men accustomed to dealing with lunatices, and the Customs Department to deal with importers was not a success; but there were other grounds of complaint, and the House should see that patronage was not exercised by heads of departments and the Public Service Board, while the question of private practice should be placed on a more satisfactory basis. Mr Graves contended that a committee should be appointed to enquire into the working of the Act, as the Public Service was deteriorating. Mr Gaunson said that hon. members of the House must admit that there were unfair and undue promotions. Mr Derham said he did not propose to answer the general charges against the working of the Public Service Act, but would confine his reply to the case of Mr '''Bechervaise'''. The member for Ballarat was wrong in some of his facts, as Mr '''Bechervaise''' had been brought to Melbourne to supervise the telegraph branch, and that did not qualify him for the position of chief of the inspecting branch. He did not see that because a man was related to the permanent head he should have his way to promotion barred. The Public Service Board had recommended Mr '''Bechervaise''' as qualified by seniority, and asked the permanent head of the department if he was otherwise fitted for the position. He believed that there was no man in the department qualified so well as Mr Caldwell to take charge of the mail service. Mr Caldwell had actually joined the service two years before Mr '''Bechervaise''', but the latter was transferred to the second class two years before Mr Caldwell, and as the board pointed out Mr '''Bechervaise''' was the senior officer. Even if there had been no Mr Caldwell he could not have appointed Mr '''Bechervaise''' to the position, although he had a high opinion of that gentleman's abilities, and would be pleased to promote him in a suitable way. Mr Jones said the Postal was a family department, and the brother-in-law influence was all power. The Postmaster-General had unfairly indulged in inuendoes at the expense of Mr '''Bechervaise'''. Mr Patterson said the concluding remark of the Minister confirmed Mr '''Bechervaise's''' merit, and he was surprised that it had not been suitably recognised before. The motion for adjournment was then negatived. (BY ELECTRIC TELEGRAPH.)<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article209444784 |title=PARLIAMENT. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXIII, |issue=170 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=18 July 1888 |accessdate=14 December 2020 |page=4 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Ballarat Star opinion piece on the previous <blockquote>IN the Assembly on Tuesday Colonel Smith, upon a formal motion, brought a very grave charge against the administration of the Victorian Public Service Act, a charge which included a very serious injustice to one of our most esteemed citizens. In November, 1887, the chief inspectorship of the Postal department became vacant by the demise of Mr McGowan. For the position thus open Mr '''Bechervaise''', our local post and telegraph master, had unquestionably prior claims on the joint score of seniority and merit. The only other candidate was Mr Caldwell, a brother-in-law of the Deputy Postmaster-General. It is not denied that Mr '''Bechervaise's''' claims on the point of seniority are indisputable, but in spite of this his pretensions have been disallowed by the Minister at the instance of the Deputy Postmaster-General. A very important point in the whole affair is that the Public Service Board, whose function it is to settle points of seniority and routine, submitted the name of Mr '''Bechervaise''' to the Postmaster-General as being entitled to fill the vacancy. All that was wanted to complete the choice was a formal endorsement by the head of the department that the officer nominated was qualified to perform the duties to be undertaken. Up to this point the proceedings call for no comment, but now there comes a letter from Mr Smibert, Deputy P.G., in reply to the requirement of the Civil Service Board, in which letter there is the following passage:— "The position named should be filled by some officer of approved ability, who has had experience and training in the inspecting branch. As Mr '''Bechervaise''', though an excellent officer in many respects, and no doubt eligible for promotion in other directions in the department, does not possess the requisite qualifications. Mr Derham thinks it would not be in the interests of the department to promote that officer to the position of chief inspector." So far as we can gather from a careful reading of the case as stated, Mr '''Bechervaise's''' only lack was that of long personal acquaintance with the routine of the mail branch. And it is a little singular that, while the personal excellence, high administrative ability, and mastery of routine possessed by Mr '''Bechervaise''' are admitted all round, and by none more emphatically than by Mr Derham himself, the only counter plea on behalf of Mr Caldwell is that he is versed in a special branch of routine, a matter which common justice to our local postmaster compels us to assume he would master in a very few days. Nevertheless, Mr Derham has taken upon himself to set aside the nomination of the Public Service Board, and has suggested to them that they shall, by submitting another name, not only stultify their previous action, but, in doing so effect the additional anomaly of promoting a junior officer over the head of his senior. As to the right of a Minister to override the functions of the Public Service Board, it may be assumed to exist under only very special and singular conditions. For example if the claims of seniority were, in a given vacancy, vested in a candidate notoriously unfit for the position, the country would endorse the action of a Minister who, having to choose between efficiency and routine, let the routine go. But under no other circumstances would a Minister be justified in setting aside an old and efficient officer, and reversing the action of the Public Service Board. It was flatly declared by Colonel Smith in the Assembly that Mr Smibert had persistently striven to secure the appointment for his brother-in-law, and it must be admitted that the relationship is, under the circumstances, an unfortunate coincidence. The Victorian public does not want any snug family arrangements in connection with its Civil Service, and would make short work of any which appeared. The case, as it stands, amounts to a declaration by Mr Derham that Mr '''Bechervaise''' is incompetent for the duties to which he succeeds by right of seniority, backed up by a faultless, we might say brilliant, official and personal record. An allegation so serious, and so manifestly unjust, is not to be sustained or excused by any bunkum about a "due regard to the interests of the department." It is an insult to Mr '''Bechervaise's''' well-known capacity to pretend that a matter of routine is beyond his ready acquirement, and this in the face of the fact that the late Mr McGowan, than whom none had a shrewder appreciation of efficient service, chose Mr '''Bechervaise''' to come to Melbourne to help the Telegraph department out of a muddle, or the fact that he accomplished the task with conspicuous ability and success. It is perhaps well for Mr Derham, well for the reputation of our public service routine, and well in the interests of common justice, that it is not too late to straighten this bungle. The nomination made by Mr Derham, at the suggestion of Mr Smibert, is not yet ratified by the Executive, and Ministers have an opportunity of avoiding a false and exceedingly unpleasant position. <ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article209444803 |title=No title |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXIII, |issue=171 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=19 July 1888 |accessdate=16 December 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Further opinion by the Melbourne Leader <blockquote>'''THE WEEK.''' The discussion in the Assembly over the Public Service Board threw a curious light on the peculiar manner in which the automatic method of promotion adopted under the new system sometimes works. The regulations require that promotion shall go by seniority and merit, and so an officer, when his turn comes, is transferred to a new position without any regard for his fitness for the particular post. Naturally, occasions arise which give some very funny illustrations of the square peg in a round hole. Sir Bryan O'Loghlen mentioned one or two of these, and he has by no means exhausted the list. When Mr. Bartrop was appointed a police magistrate the vacancy was created of registrar of the County Court, and this office was subsequently joined with that of Chief Clerk of Insolvency. It might have been supposed that for a position involving the discharge of legal duties the choice would have fallen upon some official who had undergone previous training in this branch. Not so. The Public Service Board examined their list, and discovered that Mr. George Bell, the head of the Shorthand Writers department, was due for promotion, and straightway he was transferred from a post for which his life's training had fitted him to one in which he was more ignorant than the junior clerks in his new office. To complete the comedy the board then offered the position of shorthand writer to an officer in the Sheriff's branch who had never written a line of shorthand in his life. Other examples scarcely less crass in their stupidity might be given. The Public Service Board claim, no doubt, that they are guided by the law, and Ministers plead the same excuse. A remarkable fact, however, is that the law is not like that of the Medes and Persians — unalterable, as Mr. '''Bechervaise''' has found to his cost. Mr. Derham maintains that, notwithstanding the board, he acted in the best interests of the department he administers. This may be so; but if it was possible for him to act in this manner, are not Ministers who have let blunders in the past go by really responsible? <ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article196422595 |title=THE WEEK. |newspaper=[[Leader]] |issue=1697 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=21 July 1888 |accessdate=16 December 2020 |page=25 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> A further report in the Australasian <blockquote>'''PARLIAMENT. LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY.''' TUESDAY, JULY 17. APPOINTMENTS IN THE POSTAL DEPARTMENT. Colonel SMITH moved the adjournment of the House for the purpose of calling attention to the way in which appointments were being made in the public service. He particularly referred to the appointment of chief inspector of the Postal department, correspondence in reference to which had been laid on the table of the House. Mr. '''Bechervaise''', the postmaster at Ballarat, was entitled to the position by seniority, but Mr. Smibert, the deputy postmaster-general, had recommended in the strongest terms that Mr. Caldwell should get the post. Mr. Caldwell was Mr. Smibert's brother-in-law, and some of the communications were grossly insulting to Mr. '''Bechervaise'''. The following letters showed the position of matters:— "Public Service Board, Melbourne, 18th November, 1887. "Sir,— I have the honour, by direction, to inform you that the board has approved of the request contained in your application for the appointment of a chief inspector in your department, vice Mr. McGowan. I am to state that the board finds that Mr. '''Bechervaise''', postmaster at Ballarat, is entitled by seniority to promotion to the vacancy, and I am to ask if you can state that, in your opinion, Mr. '''Bechervaise''' is fully qualified to perform the duties of the senior office, as required by section 41 sub-section 4 of Act 773.— I have, &c., "H. T. GOMM, Secretary. "The Hon. the Postmaster-General." "Post and Telegraph Department, General Post-office, Melbourne, 24th December, 1887. "Sir,— With reference to your communication of the 18th ult., inquiring whether Mr. '''Bechervaise''' is fully qualified for the position of chief inspector in this department, I am instructed by the hon. the Postmaster-General to inform you that, in his opinion, the position named should be filled by some officer of approved ability, who has had experience and training in the inspecting branch. As Mr. '''Bechervaise''', though an excellent officer in many respects, and no doubt eligible for promotion in other directions in the department, does not possess the requisite qualifications, Mr. Derham thinks it would not be in the interests of the department to promote that officer to the position of chief inspector. "JAMES SMIBERT, "Deputy Postmaster-General. "The Secretary Public Service Board" Mr. '''Bechervaise''' was a man of proved ability. He had been brought down to Melbourne to reorganise the Telegraph department, and had performed special work for two years afterwards, being transferred to Ballarat as a promotion. If the appointment of Mr. Caldwell were persisted in it would set a bad example to the whole department, and would show that promotion depended upon relationship. Mr. Zox.— What about the Public Service Board? Colonel SMITH.— The Public Service Board remonstrated with the Postmaster-General, as the correspondence showed. It was evident that the department saw the injustice of placing Mr. Caldwell over the head of Mr. Bechervaise, for it asked the Public Service Board to get them out of the difficulty, and the board declined to do so, on the ground that there was no provision for the purpose. Their reply to the request was:— "With reference to your letter of the 2nd inst., No. 392, inquiring whether any provision could be made whereby Mr. Bechervaise, who is at present senior to Mr. Caldwell, would retain his seniority after the promotion of the latter officer to the first class, I have the honour, by direction, to inform you that the board is not aware of any provision under which a second class officer could be made senior to a first class officer." Except for some extraordinary reason a senior officer should not have been passed over and insulted by being informed that he was not competent to perform duties which he had performed for years and years. The impression left on his (Colonel Smith's) mind was that an officer who had influential relatives high up in the service would be promoted whether he had seniority or not. Sir BRYAN O'LOGHLEN bore testimony to the ability of Mr. '''Bechervaise''', who had received a slur which should not have been cast upon a man of his character and experience. The Public Service Board was above the House, and practically above the law. He had been behind the scenes, and could give some instances which showed how the board worked. When Mr. Bartrop, the registrar of the County Court, and clerk of the peace, was appointed police magistrate, Mr. George Bell, a gentleman invaluable as a shorthand writer, was appointed to the vacancy, though, through want of legal knowledge, it would take Mr. Bell a considerable time to learn the duties of his office. The vacancy created by the promotion of Mr. Bell was offered to Mr. Lynch, who for many years had held a position in the sheriff's office — (laughter) — though he had never written a sentence of shorthand in his life. (Laughter.) Mr. Harrison, a gentleman in the Customs department was promoted to a high position in the Titles office, though he had never seen a title deed unless he had had the document handed to him by a lawyer. Mr. VALE said that injustice had been done to Mr. '''Bechervaise'''. The whole proceedings of the Public Service Board had been a scandal and a disgrace to the country. Mr. WOODS said there was nothing that a "chuckle-headed chump" could not do in the Post-office department if be had relations or friends to put him there. Mr. Derham said he proposed only to deal with the special matter referred to by Colonel Smith. He concurred in everything that had been said as to the high character and ability of Mr. '''Bechervaise'''. But the good work done by Mr. '''Bechervaise''' in the telegraph branch did not qualify him to fill the position of chief inspector. On the other hand, the just claims of a man should not be disregarded because he was connected by marriage with the deputy postmaster general. The matter of the appointment came up in November last through the formal application of the deputy postmaster-general to the Public Service Board to fill up the vacancy which existed in the chief inspectorship. The board replied in the same month that Mr. '''Bechervaise''' was entitled to the position by seniority. (Opposition cheers.) They therefore asked the permanent head if he could certify to his fitness for the office. The permanent head could not do that conscientiously and with a due regard to the interests of the department. No man in the department from one end to the other, even including the deputy postmaster-general, could take charge of the inspector's branch with such ability and give such satisfaction as Mr. Caldwell. (Cheers.) If he had placed Mr. '''Bechervaise''' in the office of chief inspector he would, indeed, have put a round peg into a square hole. Mr. '''Bechervaise''' entered the service in December, 1856, and Mr. Caldwell in December, 1854, so that the latter officer really had been in Government employ two years longer than Mr. '''Bechervaise''', but in regard to the class in which they were graded Mr. '''Bechervaise''' stood in a better position, having been ranked a second class officer on July 1, 1879, while Mr. Caldwell was only appointed to the same class on July 1, 1881. He could not in the public interest make an appointment which would throw the department into confusion. After further discussion, the motion for the adjournment was negatived.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article142920681 |title=PARLIAMENT. |newspaper=[[The Australasian]] |volume=XLV, |issue=1164 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=21 July 1888 |accessdate=16 December 2020 |page=40 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise a "contributor" to the Ballarat District Hospital and attends annual meeting <blockquote>'''BALLARAT DISTRICT HOSPITAL.''' The annual meeting of governors and contributors was held at the Mechanics' Institute last night; Mr A. White (president) in the chair. Annual Report.— The past year has not been characterised by any unusual incident, from a business point of view, requiring special comment, with the exception of a suggestion by the honorary medical and surgical staff to adopt the principle of employing female nurses in place of wardsmen. Particulars in connection with this question will be alluded to in due course. In accordance with customary practices the following statistics are submitted:— 1071 patients (771 males and 300 females) have been admitted into the several wards of the Hospital. The outdoor patients attending for medical aid and medicine number 2758 (1227 males and 1531 females), the total of their visits to the institution numbering 12,132. The deaths for the year are 102 (66 males and 36 females), of these 66 were buried by friends and 36 by the Hospital as destitute. The system of charging a registration fee of sixpence for outdoor patients (unless totally indigent) was inaugurated on 3rd May, 1886, and continues to work most satisfactorily, proving an important addition to the Hospital revenue, without unduly pressing upon the recipients of the benefits conferred. During the month of October, 1887, the honorary medical and surgical staff advocated the desirability of gradually introducing a system of female nurses throughout the Hospital, in place of wardsmen hitherto employed, and also of establishing a school for nurses, trainees, &c., in connection with the institution. It was argued by those having experience that in the United Kingdom, the Continent, and in most parts of the civilised world, female nurses in hospitals were the rule, and wardsmen the exception. This was a question mainly in the hands of the honorary professional staff, the committee merely looking to probable cost, and supplying the necessary funds. It will take time to complete such a pronounced change, as fresh arrangements, to suit the altered state of affairs, must be made for the accommodation of nurses and trainees. Moreover, certain natural prejudices as regards patients treated, have to be encountered, and gradually surmounted. It is, however, quite natural to imagine that the change will be for the better, as we have all read that "when pain and anguish wring the brow" the ministering angel should be a woman. The system will at once be tried, and by degrees adopted. . . . The Election for Honorary Surgeon — Mr '''Bechervaise''' moved that, as all the other surgeons nominated were aspirants for the position vacated by Dr Bradford, and Dr Ochiltree was therefore really unopposed, he be declared elected. After the motion had been seconded and briefly discussed, the chairman ruled that he could not receive it. Thanks.— A vote of thanks was passed to the retiring president, on the motion of Mr J. J. Fitzgerald, seconded by Mr Hunter, who both spoke eulogistically of Mr White. That gentleman briefly replied, thanking the committee for the assistance they had rendered him. He moved a hearty vote of thanks to the salaried officers, namely, the resident surgeon, the secretary, and the matron (Mrs Neilson), speaking in very warm terms of praise of the last named. Mr Phillips seconded the motion, which was carried. Mr P. Papenhagen moved a hearty vote of thanks to the honorary medical officers. This by Mr Foley and carried. The meeting then closed.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article209445271 |title=BALLARAT DISTRICT HOSPITAL. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXIII, |issue=178 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=27 July 1888 |accessdate=16 December 2020 |page=4 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise attends opening of new gold processing plant at School of Mines, proposes toast to James Oddie, excellent history of School of Mines <blockquote>'''STARTING OF MACHINERY AT THE SCHOOL OF MINES.''' On Saturday afternoon there was a large muster at the School of Mines of those interested in that institution, to witness the starting of the machinery driving the crushing battery and accompanying appliances for the extraction of gold just erected at the school. The ceremony was performed by Lieut.-Col. the Hon. W. C. Smith, Mayor of the City. The engine having been started, the Major dashed a bottle of champagne against the flywheel, and called for cheers, which were given lustily. The company then adjourned to the telegraphy room, where others joined them, there being altogether about 100 persons present, including many who are prominently connected with mining in Ballarat. The chair was occupied by Mr A. Anderson, J.P., vice-president of the School of Mines, while the members of the council of the school and other prominent citizens occupied seats on the platform. The chairman said he was sure he expressed the opinion of all people of all shades of opinion when he said he was glad the mayor's health was sufficiently improved to enable him to be amongst them. (Applause.) The eminent services he had rendered the School of Mines, thereby bringing some obloquy on himself, were such that no more fitting gentleman could be asked to perform the ceremony of starting the machinery. (Applause.) Colonel Smith, whose appearance on his feet was the signal for renewed applause, thanked the council of the school for the honor they had conferred on him. His first duty, he remarked, would be to give the engine a name, and he had much pleasure in calling it the "Andrew Anderson." (Applause.) He did not think he could have selected a better name. Mr Anderson was one of the most active members of the council which had managed the affairs of the school for so many years with such success. He (the speaker) had had the privilege of placing the school, when it was in difficulties, on a better basis. It had now been a going concern for 18 years. It seemed to him only the other day since it was inaugurated. At the same time, it was decided to open a School of Mines at Sandhurst; thenceforth they were to some extent rivals. Without disparaging the Sandhurst institution, he might say that the Ballarat school had worked its way by useful work. They had been extremely fortunate in getting gentlemen of position and influence to take an interest in the institution and to work for it. Amongst these he might mention Mr (then judge) Rogers, Q.C., the first vice-president, who rendered invaluable assistance in framing the constitution and statutes. When he (the speaker) was Minister of Mines and Education there were only £2000 devoted to the two schools, which was allotted on the proportion of the money raised locally, so that sometimes Ballarat and sometimes Sandhurst got the greater share. He raised the amount to £4000, giving each school £2000. (Applause.) For the last two years the sum had been raised to £6000. He made the increase on one simple condition, that had been happily responded to by the Ballarat school. He desired to see it raised to a kind of intermediary school, between the State schools and the university. The condition was that State school pupils should be able to come to the school, and under much easier terms than others be able to avail themselves of the advantages afforded by its course of teaching. He had been asked to read a brief statistical statement, giving the history of the school. He might remark that a number of pupils, after going through their course here, now occupied high positions in this and other colonies. The numbers that had gone through would be found startling, considering the basis on which it was started. (Applause). Mr Harrie Wood, Secretary for Mines at New South Wales, who had obtained the position on the recommendation of the Premier, Mr Serjeant, and others, was an old pupil at the school. The mayor here read the statistical statement prepared for him, as follows:— "The Ballarat School of Mines is the parent institution of its kind in the colony (? colonies) and it is pleasing to observe, without disparagement to kindred institutions, that it continues in the van of progress to maintain the premier position. Now in the 18th year of its existence, an exhaustive review of the history of the school would occupy more time than is at present at our disposal. A very brief epitome, however, may not be uninteresting, more especially in regard to the progress made, and the record of successful work accomplished. On the 6th October, 1869, upon the suggestion of Mr Harrie Wood, the Ballarat Mining Board, on the motion of Mr J. M. Bickett, resolved that a School of Mines should be established. The motion having been adopted, the board at once solicited the co-operation of His Honor (the late) Sir Redmond Barry and His Honor Judge Rogers, and these gentlemen having consented to render every assistance in their power, Sir Redmond Barry accepted the position of provisional president, and Judge Rogers the position of provisional vice-president. The draft outline of the constitution having been prepared by the provisional vice-president, with the assistance of Messrs Bickett and Wood, was adopted by the Ballarat Mining Board on the 25th January, 1870. An application made by the provisional council for a lease of the building formerly used as the Circuit courthouse was favorably entertained by the Government, and a lease for 15 years at a nominal rental was granted on the 7th April, 1870, to the trustees of the school. On the 26th October, 1870, his Honor Sir Redmond Barry delivered the inaugural address, and on the same date, at a meeting of the governors and subscribers, the provisional constitution, by which his Excellency the Governor became the visitor, his Honor Sir Redmond Berry the president, and his Honor Judge Rogers the vice-president, was adopted. Under this constitution, and in accordance therewith, the operations of the school were carried on until the 2nd September last, when a revised constitution rendered necessary to meet the conditions embodied in the statute of affiliation to the University of Melbourne, passed in April of the same year, was adopted. The school now enjoys the distinction of being the only provincial institution in the colony having an organic connection with the university. In April, 1884, the council were successful in obtaining the Crown grant, the only condition imposed being that the land and buildings thereon shall be at all times hereafter maintained and used as and for an institution for public instruction known as the Ballarat School of Mines and Industries. In February, 1884, a special grant of £2000 for buildings was received from the Government. This amount, supplement by subsequent grants, has been absorbed in the erection and equipment of classrooms, laboratories, machinery, &c. A contract to purchase the building and land adjoining the school reserve from the trustees of the Wesleyan Church was executed, and a deposit of £200 paid on the 14th January, 1885. The building is devoted entirely to the purposes of a museum, and is open daily (free) to the public. The progress of the school is further indicated by the immense increase in the number of students attending the various classes. In 1871, the first year of its existence, the average number in attendance during the four terms was 10. In 1880, the tenth year of its existence, the average number was 90. Inclusive of State school teachers and pupils the number last year (1887) had increased to an average 820, whilst during the first two terms of the present session (1888), the average has increased to 932. At the present time there are 50 students in the mining managers' class, 96 in the metallurgical and chemical laboratories, 68 in the mechanical, engineering, and drawing classes. About 20 have joined a new class recently formed for instruction in engine-driving. There are 59 learning telegraphy, 40 receiving instruction in mathematics, botany, pharmacy, &c., 15 in mineralogy and geology, and about 800 State school pupils (nine schools) are provided with a weekly lecture on elementary chemistry and physics. Besides all this, the school does a very large amount of work for the public in the way of determining sample specimens submitted, advising and furnishing reports thereon, performing mineral and bullion assays for this and the adjoining colonies at the rate of about 70 a month. The present success of the school is doubtless due in a very great measure to the intelligence, efficiency, and zeal of its staff. Students are attracted here from all parts of the colony and from the neighboring colonies — Melbourne, Geelong, and other students not residents of Ballarat number about 87, whilst from South Australia and New South Wales there are at the present time eight students in the school; Queensland has been represented here on several occasions by two or three students. The mining laboratory we inaugurate today has been erected with a two-fold object in view — the first being to furnish students with the means of practical instruction in the various processes of ore dressing and milling operations, such as crushing by stamping and grinding, washing, amalgamating, roasting, smelting, refining, &c.; and secondly, to meet the numerous demands made upon the school by the public for the treatment of test samples of auriferous and other ores. The council propose to make this plant complete by the addition of the most modern suitable appliances, including the Newberry-Vautin process for the extraction of gold by chlorination, and a water-jacket cubelow for the treatment of silver ores, &c. The plant already erected consists of two one-head rotary batteries, mercury wells, blanket tables, two Halley's patent percussion tables, two Berdan grinders, amalgamating barrel, shaking table, Chilian mill, roasting and retort furnaces, settling pits, &c., &c., the motive power being supplied by a 12 h.p. Clerke’s patent gas engine, capable of working up to 18 or 20 h.p. if required. The school is greatly indebted to Mr Peter Matthews for the invaluable services in connection with the erection of this plant, the whole of the work having been executed under his immediate supervision and in accordance with plans and specifications carefully prepared by him. To Messrs Rosales, Serjeant, Bland, and other gentlemen who have kindly assisted the council with invaluable advice — the result of long practical experience — the school thankfully acknowledges the assistance rendered. It is now my pleasant duty to declare this laboratory open for the instruction of the students at this institution, and for the treatment of test samples of auriferous and other ores for the public, with a view to the promotion of the mining industry." He thought the fact that the Ballarat School of Mines held such a high position was because they had had more difficulties to contend with on this than on any other goldfield. It was, too, because they had men like Mr Serjeant, who had more experience and knowledge than any man he knew, whose indomitable energy and enterprise had crowned the company he represented with permanent success. He had been informed that Cr Morey had presented the school with another steam engine. (Applause.) When men possessed of public spirit like this — men with a thorough knowledge of mining, and public men — were anxious to assist the school in every way, they could look hopefully forward to the future. He had received a telegram that day from Mr Gillies, stating that he would be in Ballarat on Friday next, and if time would permit he was certain he would visit the school. He was very sorry that the Premier's manifold engagements had prevented him from being present that day. In conclusion, he wished the School of Mines every success. (Applause.) Mr Rosales, on being called upon, said it was a long time since he had labored in Ballarat. He had great pleasure in meeting so many representative men on such an occasion. He had been 18 or 20 years away now. What he saw here he made use of where he had been, and what experience he had gained elsewhere he was pleased to be able to place at the assistance of the school in this new work that had been undertaken. (Applause.) He was glad to see that some of his opinions had met with the approval of the council and also of the practical and technical men like Messrs Serjeant, Bland, &c. Mr Serjeant expressed great pleasure at seeing Colonel Smith in better health. Mr Rosales many years ago was one of the first to point out, when the Red Hill was being worked, that the washdirt was of a different period of formation from that in the gutters. He (Mr Rosales) first called attention to the older pliocene wash. If his services were now availed of to point out where such might be expected to be found, it would result in great good, as he understood the subject thoroughly. With regard to the battery they had started that day, it would supply a great want in the way of practically teaching pupils and testing quartz. Previously, all such tests were made by assay, which was unsatisfactory, for when the stone came to be treated in bulk the result was disappointing. Now similar results would be obtained to what should be got by any crushing plant. (Applause.) With regard to the increase in the mining managers' class, it was most satisfactory. That class had only been in existence nine months. The first quarter it was filled by young men working at their mines. They had about a dozen of the young men in the Band and Albion mine attending it, and they strove to encourage them all they could by promoting them as soon as they were able. In this way they would encourage the others to join. The engine given by Mr Morey would be productive of great good. It was hard to induce old engine-drivers to teach young men, as, when the latter were learning, the old men would be held responsible for any mistakes they might make. This difficulty they would be able to get over by having engine-driving practically taught by Mr Dover, who would take the engine to pieces, and acquaint the young men with each part. He would like Mr Rosales' services to be availed of to go over Ballarat East, which, he believed, if well-directed efforts were carried out, would prove one of the finest goldfields in the colony. If the Jubilee Company would only keep sinking their shaft and crosscut persistently, and two or three other companies would do the same, they would open up such a field as had not been known in the colony before. It had paid the Band and Albion Company to carry out this policy, and it would pay just as well at Ballarat East. No man could carry out this system so well as one who had been thoroughly trained. He hoped the time would come when all miners would be trained, and that mining would take its true stand as skilled labor. He congratulated the School of Mines on the success it had hitherto achieved, and would do his best to forward its interest in the future. (Applause.) Mr Theos. Williams, Mayor of Ballarat East, fully endorsed Mr Serjeant's remarks about that field. He wanted to induce his directors and shareholders to have the same confidence as had been shown in Sandhurst, and sink deep. They had an example of the benefits of such mining on the other side, in the territory ruled over by Mr Serjeant, and he would like to see it in the territory he ruled over. He would like to see not only two but a dozen or more shafts going down from 1000 to 1500 feet at Ballarat East. If the shareholders would only pay the calls they would succeed as well in the east as they had done in the west. He hoped a deputation would wait upon Mr Gillies on Friday and ask him for £10,000 for the school. (Applause.) That was a very moderate request; they thought nothing of £90,000 or £100,000 in Melbourne. It was for practical purposes, not for show, and it was for giving instruction to young men that would do them good in future life. (Applause). Mr R. T. Vale said he recognised the value of the School of Mines. They had long wanted a place where a moderately large parcel of stone could be tried. He (the speaker) was one of the first to pass through a class at the School of Mines, and had found the knowledge very useful. They stood in one of the richest goldfields in the colony. He had paid 70 or 80 calls into one mine. They sank 1400 feet before striking payable gold, and before they declared a dividend they proceeded to sink further. If they got £10,000 for the School of Mines, the money would be well spent. (Applause). Archdeacon Julius also made a few appropriate and humorous remarks, referring to Driver Fallow’s plucky conduct at the late railway accident. The chairman apologised for the non-attendance of the Anglican Bishop of Ballarat and the Hon. Henry Gore, M.L.C. Mr E. Morey also addressed those present, referring to the advantages of having a battery where small parcels of stone could be treated to the best advantage. Whatever money was granted to the School of Mines would, he was sure, be returned fourfold. The chairman remarked that thanks were due to Mr Matthews for the careful and thorough manner in which the battery had been erected. The company then proceeded to the library, in the main building, where refreshments had been provided. After the toast of the Queen had been honored, Mr '''Bechervaise''' proposed the toast of Mr James Oddie. He remarked that that gentleman was one of the greatest men they had in the School of Mines. Certainly no one had done more or more useful work than he. His time and his money were always at the disposal of the institution. The toast was received with cheers. That of "The officers of the School" having been duly honored, the assemblage dispersed.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article209445432 |title=STARTING OF MACHINERY AT THE SCHOOL OF MINES. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXIII, |issue=180 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=30 July 1888 |accessdate=16 December 2020 |page=4 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1888 08===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Bechervaise attends demonstration of new lamp powered by a rechargeable battery mainly for mining purposes <blockquote>'''THE SCHANSCHIEFF ELECTRIC LIGHT.''' A series of interesting experiments were made in Ballarat yesterday with Schanschieff's battery and miners' electric safety lamps, as they are termed. With the liberality and progressiveness that always characterise the directors of the Band and Albion Company, they offered the use of their mine for the experiments, and this was accepted. Miss Alice Cornwell, during her recent visit to England, purchased from the Schanschieff Syndicate the patent and other rights for the colony, and is at present engaged endeavoring to float a company to take over the rights secured by her. The invention is thus described:— "The Schanschieff battery is a single fluid primary battery, thus obviating the use of all machinery to produce the electro motive force, as is the case with secondary batteries, which require to be charged from a dynamo. In its composition the battery is an exceedingly simple combination of carbon-zinc elements charged by a special solution of a salt of mercury invented by Mr Schanschieff. When in action the mercury is deposited in the cells, and is thus not lost, but is easily reinstated in proper solution for fresh use. The batteries and lamps can be readily charged, and zincs replaced, by an ordinary workman or domestic servant, while the carbon plates do not require renewing, and will last an indefinite time. The battery is charged by pouring the solution into the vessel ready to receive it, in the same manner as an ordinary oil lamp is filled, and without the slightest risk of failure or accident, and no knowledge of electricity is needed in the operation. When not in use the zincs and carbons are held suspended out of the solution by a very simple, compact and effective arrangement; so that the battery may be worked intermittently, or may remain out of use for any period of time, without loss of electric energy or consumption of materials." The lights, we may mention, can be used for any purpose for which illuminating power is requisite, but the experiments made yesterday were only with lamps suitable tor use in mines. These were of three classes, namely — the ordinary miners' light, for use in working at the face of the drive, or wherever picking or drilling has to be done; the "pilot" or "search" lamp, for either hanging in drives to illuminate the tramway, or for fixing in front of trucks; and the "plat" lamp, for lighting chambers. The experiments were conducted by the electrician of the company, Mr A. C. F. Webb. One of the Ministers of the Crown (the Hon. D. M. Davies, M.L.A.) and the Secretary for Mines (Mr Langtree), being in Ballarat at the time on other business, they accepted an invitation previously extended to them to be present on the occasion. Amongst others who were present were:— Mr Phil. Robinson, the war correspondent; Mr Lamoor, of England; and Messrs K. M. Sergeant, D. Brophy, J.P., J. Sharpe (central secretary of the A.M.M.A.), Mr R. Bryant (the well-known mining manager), representatives of the press, and others. Mr Webb descended the No. 9 shaft of the mine in the morning, and fixed the necessary apparatus, and in the afternoon the party descended the shaft to the 800-feet level, where the lamps were exhibited. The first test-made was with the miners' lamp. This has an oblong frame, about 8 inches long by 4 inches square with legs on which to stand it, or a handle to hold it by, at each end. The lamp simply requires to be reversed in the hand in order to extinguish it, and the reversal to its original position kindles the light again. It is claimed for the lamp that it gives an illuminating power equal to two candles, and the actual result is very nearly up to that standard, the light emitted being equal to about 1½ candles; in other words, two would equal three candles alight. This lamp gave a bright steady light, eminently suited for the purpose intended. The miners, however, object that in its present form it is somewhat clumsy, and that attachment will be necessary by which it can be fixed in the most advantageous position, and the latter can be changed at will. A candle can, by means of a small piece of clay, be affixed to any portion of the face so as to illuminate the part the workman is engaged on at the particular time. The light emitted is much superior to that of the candle, in that it is brighter and much more steady, but the size rendered necessary by the cells in which the fluid is kept is a drawback in the eyes of the miners. These, however, are minor improvements that the ingenuity of the manufacturer may be safely relied upon to make without delay. It has to be borne in mind that the lamps were made by men who had never been down a mine, and were consequently unable to form any idea of the requirements for practical use. The pilot lamp, which somewhat resembles an ordinary bull's-eye lantern, was then tried at a distance of fully 35 feet from the face. Even there its illuminating power was sufficient to enable the workmen to engage in their occupation under most circumstances. There were, however, parts of the face where the miner would stand in his own light, and would be unable to work with advantage. On advancing about10 feet a marked improvement was apparent, and when the lamp was carried a similar distance nearer still to the face the light was all that could be desired. A "dog" was then driven into the cap-piece of the timber two sets away from the face, when the result was eminently satisfactory. The light shown was steady and brilliant, and illuminated the whole of the face, as well as the hanging and foot walls in the immediate neighborhood of the work. This lamp gives an illuminating power equal to 16 candles. In the chamber was affixed to one of the cap-pieces a "plat" lamp. This is protected by a bowl-like glass, and the light emitted was, in this case also, as steady and brilliant as could be desired. The light given was ample to light up the whole chamber and enable the platman to perform any of his duties. In fact, scarcely any number of candles would give such a satisfactory light. Here, also, was shown a lamp suitable for use at the brace. Its illuminating power was deemed ample for the purposes for which it is intended. Having satisfied themselves as to the capabilities of the lamps the party ascended to the 700 feet level, and, after inspecting the splendid face of rich stone that is being worked there, they were raised to the surface. It may be mentioned in connection with the Schanschieff lamps that there are several points in their favor that give them an eminent superiority over candles as an illuminating agent. They are not affected in the slightest degree by either wind or water, but preserve throughout an even, steady, light. They may be handled carelessly without the least danger. It is mentioned as an objection to them that they would not give any indication of foul air, but the presence of foul air, such as is encountered in quartz or alluvial mines is generally ascertained by any experienced miner in time to avert unpleasant consequences. As a set-off against this — and a very potent one — may be mentioned the fact that they do not consume any air, nor give out any heat; two most important disiderata, especially in mines where the ventiliation is not thorough. In short yesterday's experiments must have been gratifying to all who are interested in the Schanschieff light, and also to all who desire to see mining carried out on progressive principles. The general opinion expressed yesterday by those who witnessed the experiments was highly favorable, and the improvements required do not affect the character of the light all. They are merely mechanical details, which any tradesman of ordinary intelligence can easily overcome. A SUPPER Was held in the evening at Craig's hotel, and was attended by a large number of influential and representative residents, who assembled at the invitation of Miss Cornwell. Unfortunately, the hostess was prevented by illness from attending. The chair was occupied by Mr R. Bryant, supervisor of the Midas group of mines, who had on his right hand the Hon. J. Williamson, M.L.C., and Mr J. Russell, M.L.A., and on his left the Hon. D. Ham, M.L.C., and Mr Phil. Robinson. Host Bentley had worthily maintained his high reputation in the provision he made for the guests. The toast of "The Queen" having been honored, apologies were read from the Mayor of the City (Cr McDonald), Cr Morey, and others. The chairman also briefly apologised for the unavoidable absence of Miss Cornwell. That lady had, during her recent visit to England, seen in the Schanschieff light what she thought would be a great advantage to the miners, and she had, with her accustomed enterprise, purchased the patents for Victoria. Through the kindness of the Band and Albion Company they had that day had an opportunity of testing the light. That company, through Mr Serjeant, was certainly the foremost in the colony in introducing anything conducive to the progress of mining. In the experiments Mr Serjeant, jun., and Mr Mathews, mining managers, had rendered them every assistance. All the lamps had been shown that day in the presence, amongst others, of one of the Ministers of the Crown, and the energetic Secretary for Mines. They all pronounced it a wonderful piece of mechanism, and one well adapted for all purposes. He proposed "Success to the Band and Albion Company." Mr R. M. Serjeant, in responding, eulogised Miss Cornwell for her enterprise. The light, as far as he could judge, was a great success in the chamber and in the drive. The workmen were asked to test it in all positions, and their opinion was that the chamber lamp could not be surpassed. The light burned regularly without a flicker, and by its aid one could see to pick up a pin in any part of the chamber. Another — the "search" light — threw a light right along the drive. The men complained of the miner's lamp that, when using it, they frequently got in their own light. The difficulty was in causing it to play on all parts of the face at the same time. (Mr Serjeant here detailed the experiments referred to above). The light ought to be a success, and then came the question of price. If it could be produced at a cost to compete with candles, he had no hesitation in saying that they would not ask the Government to take the duty off candles. (Laughter). It had the advantage of burning without using or vitiating the air; it produced no carbonic acid gas, and no heat. If such lights had been in use in the Australasian mine when the great disaster occurred, many lives would have been saved, as the lamps would have been under water. Mr Serjeant then displayed a miner's lamp. This, he said, was equal in power to 1½ candles, and would remain alight for nine or ten hours continuously, and could then, it was claimed, be recharged for one penny. If that was an established fact, it was less than half the cost of candles. (Applause.) The other lamps gave a powerful, clear, and brilliant light. If he had anything to do with framing the mining laws, he would make it compulsory to have these lamps in coal mines. There was about them the certainty of absolute safety from accident. He had seen a man go to a powder keg with a lighted candle in his hand. This lamp could be placed in the powder alight without danger. Water couldn't put it out, nor could wind. He thought the system might yet be utilised in connection with the telephone in signalling. Mr '''Bechervaise''' and he were trying to work the matter out, and he believed they would shortly be able to say that they had made an advance in this direction. Any improvement in electricity must be an advantage to mining. The liquid with which the batteries were charged was free from the possibility of explosion. (This Mr Serjeant proved by disconnecting one of the lamps, dropping a lighted match into the liquid, and connecting the lamp again, when it burnt as well as before). He would be glad to take half-a-dozen chamber lights if the company were prepared to supply them at the cost stated. (Applause). Mr Webb, the electrician, then showed the various lamps spoken of above, together with a locomotive head light, and the brilliance of the light emitted was the theme of general admiration. In reply to a question by Mr Serjeant, Mr Webb stated that the batteries could be used for exploding blasts. The buggy light light shown was an ordinary lamp, with the cell fitted in the hole from which the candle came. Any carriage lamp, it was explained, could be fitted for 7s 6d with an 8-candle power light that would burn for eight hours at a cost of 4d. Mr '''Bechervaise''' proposed "Success to the Schanschieff light." He thought in it a great advance had been made as regards lighting power and safety. He then explained the principle on which the lamps were lighted, and said he could not see that anything had come up to it at present. He thought it would be a grand success. He hoped they might shortly be able to hear something about the success of a scheme for signalling by electricity. In conclusion, he asked them to drink "To the success of the glorious Schanschieff incandescent lamp — the mining lamp of the future." The toast having been received most enthusiastically, Mr Phil. Robinson responded. He said he was not connected with the company in any way, but when he was in England he was invited by Mr Schanschieff to a private view of the light. He had also seen it at the Crystal Palace Theatre, where the manager found that he saved money by it, and what lighted up that theatre was the very same thing they had seen that night. It was then said it was very pretty, but could it be used to light a train. The reply was a request to one of the directors of the South-eastern Railway system to become a director of the Schanschieff syndicate. He consented, and soon had the pleasure of practically demonstrating, at the marriage of the Swedish prince, that trains could be lit by it. Each carriage carried its own battery, so that, unlike those lighted by dynamo, the lamps burnt whether the carriages were stationary and disconnected or not. The Schanschieff could light streets, houses, or mines, or anything for which gas, kerosene, or candles were used, but what its spirited purchaser secured it for principally was its advantages in up-country towns, where they could never hope to get gas. They could however, get a better illuminating agent than kerosene or candles, and at less cost. There was no danger with it. He was most interested in its domestic development. It was above the sphere of private speculation, and entered into the character of a national benefit, and one with which the Government should be associated. (Loud applause.) The Hon. J. C. Williamson and the chairman spoke also in terms of admiration of the light, and very highly eulogised Miss Cornwell for her enterprise. The toast of "The Ministry and Parliament of Victoria," proposed by Mr Luplau, and responded to by the hon. D. Ham and Mr J. Russell, with other toasts incidental to the occasion, concluded a highly enjoyable and satisfactory evening's gathering.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article209446536 |title=THE SCHANSCHIEFF ELECTRIC. LIGHT. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXIII, |issue=197 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=18 August 1888 |accessdate=16 December 2020 |page=4 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise has to defend himself against allegations of laxity in his management of the Ballarat Post Office <blockquote>A report has been received by the Postmaster-General from Mr. '''Bechervaise''', postmaster at Ballarat, in reference to the allegations recently made in the Assize Court, Ballarat, during the course of a case of letter-stealing as to laxity in the management of the local post-office. It was alleged that a number of workmen were left in the delivery room with no one to supervise them. To this Mr '''Bechervaise''' gives an emphatic denial, and he is supported in his statement by the written evidence of his officers, who set forth the hours at which they came on duty and were subsequently relieved.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article6899295 |title=The Argus. PUBLISHED DAILY. |newspaper=[[The Argus (Melbourne)]] |issue=13,160 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=25 August 1888 |accessdate=17 December 2020 |page=11 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1888 09===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Bechervaise offers to investigate any complaints of incivility at the Ballarat Telephone Exchange <blockquote>With reference to the officials at the Ballarat Telephone Exchange we are requested by Mr '''Bechervaise''', postmaster, to state, that any complaint as to incivility or want of promptitude on their part, if submitted to him, will have immediate attention. <ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article209447557 |title=No title |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXIII, |issue=212 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=5 September 1888 |accessdate=17 December 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise's son Walter Reed Bechervaise suffers a mental breakdown at the Flora Bell mine <blockquote>'''THE NORTHERN TERRITORY.''' (By Telegraph.) Port Darwin, September 7. . . . Mr. '''Bechervaise''', assayer and late Manager of the Flora Bell Silver-mining Company, was brought down to Port Darwin to-day a lunatic. His condition is supposed to have been caused by mental strain and worry.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article46879743 |title=THE NORTHERN TERRITORY. |newspaper=[[South Australian Register]] |volume=LIII, |issue=13,048 |location=South Australia |date=7 September 1888 |accessdate=17 December 2020 |page=5 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Further to previous <blockquote>We are pleased to hear that Mr. W. Bechervaise is greatly improved in his mind since our last issue. His complete and speedy recovery is almost certain.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article47998645 |title=Local Notes. |newspaper=[[North Australian (Darwin)]] |volume=VI, |issue=16 |location=Northern Territory, Australia |date=15 September 1888 |accessdate=17 December 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Report in the Ballarat Star notes Walter Reed Bechervaise's improved health <blockquote>It will be learned with pleasure that Mr '''Walter Reid Bechervaise''', son of Mr '''W. P. Bechervaise''', is improving in health. Mr '''Bechervaise''' was an old student of the Ballarat School of Mines, and has recently been carrying on the business of an assayer at Port Darwin, where he was struck down by one of the fevers common to the Northern Territory.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article209448856 |title=No title |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXIII, |issue=232 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=28 September 1888 |accessdate=17 December 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1888 10===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Bechervaise attends drama benefit for the Wendouree Rowing Club <blockquote>'''THE WENDOUREE ROWING CLUB BENEFIT.''' A crowded audience assembled in the Academy of Music last night, to witness "Ten Nights in a Bar Room," which was performed by the Star Dramatic Company. The piece went well from the rising to the falling of the curtain, and bursts of applause were frequent. At times the scenes were affecting, especially in the parts where the terrible effects of over-indulgence in strong drink were vividly portrayed. The Wendouree Rowing Club will benefit financially to a considerable extent by the performance. Prior to the performance, a torchlight procession of the fire brigades accompanied by the local drum and fife bands paraded the street. The piece was well played by the Star Dramatic Company, the characters being taken by Messrs. W. A. Madden, J. Booth, T. Tregurtha, H. Davies, Trewick, Reford, T. Hawkinson, G. Jackson, and Misses Thomas, Martin, Ramus and R. Thomas. During an interval Cr. J. Hickman president of the Wendouree Rowing Club thanked the audience for their attendance, the fire brigades and bands and the Star Dramatic Company. He also introduced the winning crew, who were received with three cheers. Mr W. P. Bechervaise called for three cheers for the Wendouree Rowing Club, which were enthusiastically given, as were also cheers for the President, Mr. Hickman.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article209449034 |title=THE WENDOUREE ROWING CLUB BENEFIT. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXIII, |issue=235 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=2 October 1888 |accessdate=17 December 2020 |page=3 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise attends quarterly meeting of the council of the School of Mines, certificate of telegraphy awarded, mostly ladies <blockquote>'''SCHOOL OF MINES.''' The usual quarterly meeting of the council of the School of Mines was held yesterday, there being present — The vice-president, Mr Andrew Anderson (in the chair), Archdeacon Julius, Councillors R. T. Vale, Serjeant, I. J. Jones, '''W. P. Bechervaise''', J. M. Bickett, Theo. Williams, S. E. Figgis, J. Lonie, M. Lindsay, F. Martell, and A. Wynne. Apologies were received for the absence of Bishop Thornton and Cr E. I. Rosenblum. On the recommendation of the examiners, certificates of competency were granted to the following candidates who passed in telegraphy:— Eliza Lambert, Elijah Sprague, Catherine Gallavan, John Matsen, Priscilla Richards, Sophia Audas, Eliza Cameron, Chas. W. Davey, Alice Cravino, Ethel Fisher, A. J. M. Hocking, Sarah J. Younghusband, B. E. Clinton, Mary Murphy, and Mary Dingle. The quarterly report of the professorial board was submitted and adopted. In connection with the proposed extension of the drawing classes, Cr Martell requested that it should be postponed in order to enable him to obtain further information. Vice-president's Report.— A synopsis of the operations of the school during the past quarter affords gratifying evidence of an unprecedentedly prosperous and progressive term. The number of students and attendances at the school classes, 410 and 9319 respectively, exceeds all previous records for a similar period. The same remark applies to the State school pupils lecture classes. There were 932 of these pupils on the rolls attending weekly lectures, the aggregate attendance at 91 lectures delivered during the term being 6950, equal to an average of 76 present at each lecture. Seventy-five bullion and over 100 mineral assays were performed for the public of this and the adjacent colonies, and 26 bulk samples of auriferous and argentiferous ores have been practically treated in the mining laboratory. The total receipts for the quarter, exclusive of the Government grant, were £672 10s 1d, of which amount the sum of £306 12s 9d was received for the July term fees. The total amount of term fees received last year (£760 7s) exceeded all previous receipts for a similar period under this head. The receipts to date for the current year amount to over £950. The total receipts for the previous year under the general heading of fees was £1064 9s; the receipts for the current year to date are over £1300, which will probably be further augmented by a sum of, say, £200. The total receipts for the current year (irrespective of Government subsidy) will, it is estimated, be an increase of £400 over those of 1887. A continuation of the present prosperous condition of the school will be maintained and improved only by providing the additional means and appliances recommended for giving practical instruction and a thorough training in the subjects connected with our chief industries. An important step in the direction indicated will be taken by the council's concurrence in the recommendations submitted for approval at the meeting by the mining and machinery committee. When considering an extension of the mining laboratory and appliances, I would ask the council to define the policy of the school in regard to the quantity of pyritous or other ores to be received for treatment. We have quite recently refused to undertake the treatment of one lot of 12 or 13 tons, and two other parcels of 5 tons each, of pyrites. We are indebted to our friends of the Sydney Technical College for the loan of a number of valuable papers containing full information respecting the use, cost, and efficiency of different testing machines. These are accompanied by a letter from the secretary, requesting the return of the papers after the council have dealt with the subject. There is also a letter from a Sydney firm offering to deliver in bond at Melbourne a complete duplicate of the machines they supplied to the board (in 1884) for the sum of £240. This being the last occasion on which the full council meet this year, I take the opportunity to suggest that a deputation be appointed to wait on the Minister of Education after the supplementary estimates shall have been passed, with a view of making application for an unconditional grant of the sum promised in aid of building and apparatus, the money to be appropriated to (1) liquidation of the debt of £1800 on the museum building, which is maintained at a considerable annual cost to the school in the interests of the general public; and (2) to meet the expenditure incurred this year on buildings and appliances, including erection and equipment of mining laboratory with machinery, erection of fume chamber, and extended accommodation provided for 32 additional students in chemical laboratory, purchase of physical apparatus, &c.— The report was adopted, and on the motion of Cr Williams, it was resolved that a deputation, consisting of the vice-president, the hon. treasurer, Cr R. T. Vale and Bishop Thornton, be appointed to wait on the Minister of Education in reference to a special grant promised in building and apparatus for the current year. The following report, submitted by the mining and machinery committee, was adopted:— "1. That the necessary apparatus be erected for the treatment of gold ores by the Newbery-Vautin chlorination process. 2. That a shaft be sunk on the school ground, to include chamber, drives, and winze, which would afford experimental work for mining students." The purchase of a suitable boiler was left in the hands of the committee, with power; also sundry recommendations for extension of appliances in connection with the mining laboratory, as recommended by the superintendent of laboratories. It was reported that Prof. Krause had commenced the delivery of a course of lectures on mineralogy and geology, as applied to mining, to the mine managers' classes. Suggestions for the conduct of examination for the certificate of manager, drafted by the lecturer, and approved of by the mining and machinery committee, were adopted. On the recommendation of the finance committee, the administrative council passed for payment accounts amounting to £426 5s 2d. The council then adjourned.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article209449348 |title=SCHOOL OF MINES. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXIII, |issue=241 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=9 October 1888 |accessdate=17 December 2020 |page=4 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise's son Walter Reed Bechervaise departs Port Darwin on the Guthrie <blockquote>'''NORTHERN TERRITORY.''' (By Telegraph.) Port Darwin, October 9. . . . The Guthrie sailed for the south yesterday. Amongst her passengers were Messrs. F. M. Drake, '''Walter Bechervaise''', S. T. Brown, R. F. French, H. W. H. and K. Stevens, and N. Buchanan, and all Jackson's Reef men.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article47047110 |title=NORTHERN TERRITORY. |newspaper=[[South Australian Register]] |volume=LIII, |issue=13,076 |location=South Australia |date=10 October 1888 |accessdate=17 December 2020 |page=7 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise's daughter Charlotte Alice Bechervaise attends meeting of Shakespearian Society and gives vocal rendition <blockquote>'''SOCIAL.''' . . . THERE was a large attendance at the Literary and Musical evening given by the Shakespearian Society on Friday last in the Upper Hall of the Athenaeum. Dr. Neild delivered a short address, in which he mentioned Mr. S. Mullen's donation of ten volumes of Shakespeare to the society, the opening of a Shakespeare theatre in London, the proposed appearance of Sara Bernhardt as Romeo, the unveiling of a Shakespearian statue in Paris and other matters of interest. The feature of the evening's programme was the recital of the balcony scene from "Romeo and Juliet" by Miss Ada Ward, who was enthusiastically applauded for her most pleasurable contribution. Mrs. A. S. Way read an excellently written paper on "A Kingly Englishman," which highly pleased the audience. Mr. James Smith's paper on "The Boys of Shakespeare" was also of more than passing interest. Miss Amanda Corcoran gave charming vocal renderings of the songs from "The Tempest" and the "Valse d'Ophelie." This young lady also performed at the pianoforte with Misses Ball, '''Bechervaise''', Anderson, Traill and McRae. Miss Maggie Corcoran, who is favoured with a very attractive appearance, recited "Hermione's Defence," from "A Winter's Tale, with fairly satisfactory results, a faulty inflection of the voice — due either to unfamiliarity with the hall or lack of cultivation — tending to mar an otherwise praiseworthy effort. <ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article174593886 |title=SOCIAL. |newspaper=[[Melbourne Punch]] |volume= |location=Victoria, Australia |date=11 October 1888 |accessdate=17 December 2020 |page=25 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise travels overland to Sydney <blockquote>'''OVERLAND PASSENGER TRAFFIC.''' (By Telegraph.) ALBURY, Tuesday. . . . For Sydney (by express on Tuesday): . . . W. P. Bechervaise (Ballarat), . . .<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article13700905 |title=OVERLAND PASSENGER TRAFFIC. |newspaper=[[The Sydney Morning Herald]] |issue=15,784 |location=New South Wales, Australia |date=24 October 1888 |accessdate=17 December 2020 |page=10 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1888 11===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> =====1888 12===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Bechervaise attends competition of Ballarat City Rowing Club <blockquote>'''AQUATICS.''' The Ballarat City Rowing Club's final events for the officers' trophies resulted as follows:— J. Loughlin's crew met J. Barnes', but were defeated by about a couple of lengths. J. Anwyl's crew met E. Smith's, and the latter won after a good race. Last evening the finishing contest took place between J. Barnes' and E. Smith's crews. The lake was very smooth, and the wind lulled down during the contest. A capital start was effected, and the crews being both in good form after the many successful races won by each, a close race ensued. The partisans of each crew loudly cheered their men, and when opposite View Point for the final struggle it was seen that the south boat, Smith's, was leading, and they eventually won the race, and the valuable trophies, by a couple of lengths. The winning crew are — E. Smith (stroke), George Rayworth (3), H. Gullen (2), and George Scott (bow), B. Arnold (cox). The names of the runners up were — J. Barnes (stroke), J. Petrie (3), H. Webb (2), and J. E. Denniston (bow); J. McArthur (cox). Both crews deserve great credit for their good training and endurance. It is the intention of the committee of the club to place in competition the Hon. Agar Wynne's trophies as soon as possible, and to that end lists will be published at the boathouse at once. Mr '''Bechervaise''', one of the popular vice-presidents, was in attendance to witness the final event, and was warmly welcomed by the many racing men present on his return amongst them.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article209451872 |title=AQUATICS. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXIII, |issue=290 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=5 December 1888 |accessdate=17 December 2020 |page=4 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Weasel words re Bechervaise from Gillies to induce Smith to pass the estimates <blockquote>'''LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY.''' TUESDAY, DEC. 4. . . . Colonel SMITH said that a promise had been made, when the estimates for the department were previously under consideration, that justice should be done to Mr. '''Bechervaise''', postmaster of Ballarat. By a family arrangement which existed in the General Post-office, he had been kept from the promotion he ought to have received. Would the Premier, in order to right Mr. '''Bechervaise''', make provision that he should be granted a sum in the Additional Estimates which would ensure his promotion to the first class? Mr. GILLIES said the Postmaster-General recognised in Mr. '''Bechervaise''' an able officer, and he was certain that every justice would be done to him. The resolution was agreed to.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article6911483 |title=LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY. |newspaper=[[The Argus (Melbourne)]] |issue=13,247 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=5 December 1888 |accessdate=17 December 2020 |page=5 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> ====1889==== <!-- <blockquote><ref></ref></blockquote> --> =====1889 01===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Bechervaise attends the quarterly meeting of the council of the School of Mines <blockquote>'''SCHOOL OF MINES COUNCIL.''' The quarterly meeting of the council of the School of Mines was held yesterday afternoon at the School, when there were present Messrs Anderson (vice-president), '''Bechervaise''', Vale, Lonie, Jones, Rosenblum, Molloy, Robertson, and Lindsay. Vice-president's Report — On the 20th November I proceeded to Melbourne to interview the hon. the Minister of Public Instruction in reference to a special buildings grant for the school. Professor Pearson accorded me a very gracious reception, and readily agreed to a special grant of £3500, to be made available in two annual instalments. At the same time the Professor intimated that the interests of the School would be further promoted by raising an equal sum from the public, which would enable the council to erect a suite of suitable buildings adequate to meet the growing requirements of the institution. In submitting this matter to your careful consideration, I would also recommend that steps be taken to secure, if possible, the services of Mr Bastow, whose large experience as architect to the Education Department would prove invaluable in designing and superintending the preparation of plans for the required buildings. The lack of accommodation is unquestionably a hindrance to greater progress, and has been the cause of much inconvenience, as experienced during the past year. Mr Thomas Mann, B.A., LL.B. and Mr Samuel Summons, B.A., LL. B. (both residents of Ballarat) have been appointed by the University Council members of the council of the school, filling the vacancies caused by the retirement of the Rev. Dr Bromby and the Rev. Dr Roseby. In conclusion, I would recommend to your favorable consideration that suitable recognition be made of the valuable services gratuitously rendered by Mr Peter Matthews in connection with the erection of the mining laboratory and plant and various other improvements and additions executed under his supervision; also of the special donation of a steam engine by Mr E. Morey for the instruction of students in the mechanical engineering and milling classes. The hon. treasurer will submit to you a statement of accounts showing the receipts and expenditure for the past year and the present financial position of the school, which notwithstanding the heavy expenditure you will admit is very satisfactory. The best thanks of the council are due to the hon. treasurer for his unceasing labors for many years past in the interests of this institution.— Andrew Anderson, Vice-president." The report was adopted. Treasurer's Financial Statement.— The hon. treasurer (Mr I. J. Jones) delivered the following financial statement:— "Mr Vice-president and council of the school,— I have much pleasure in presenting you with the balance-sheet and financial statement of the school for the year 1888. It will not be necessary for me to recapitulate at any great extent the business of the previous year (1887), further than to make a few comparisons showing what progress has been made. We commenced the year 1888 with a credit balance of £151 0s 9d, the first time, I believe, in the history of the school that we had a credit to commence with, while we commence this present year with a debit balance of £1 10s 10d, which I shall explain to you further on and the cause. I will now ask that you follow me with the financial statements, showing the receipts and expenses for the year that has just closed. . . .<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article209453186 |title=SCHOOL OF MINES COUNCIL. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXIV, |issue=6 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=8 January 1889 |accessdate=18 December 2020 |page=4 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise, councillor, attends the annual meeting of the School of Mines and is re-elected <blockquote>'''BALLARAT SCHOOL OF MINES.''' The annual meeting of the above institution was held last night in the library; Mr A. Anderson (vice-president) in the chair. There was a fair attendance, the following councillors, amongst others, being present:— Archdeacon Julius, and Messrs Rosenblum, I. J. Jones, J. M. Bickett, Martell, Molloy, Lonie, Lindsay, '''Bechervaise''', and Robertson. Annual report and balance-sheet.— These, which were of a satisfactory nature, though possessing no points of special public interest, and which will be duly printed and distributed, were adopted. Vice president's report.— "The progressive reports that have been published during the year leave me nothing to say. The mining laboratory, though very incomplete, has proved a valuable acquisition, providing the means of studying experimentally the various methods adopted in the extraction of metals from their ores. A class will be at once formed for practical instruction in battery work, roasting, &c., and Professor Smith will deliver a special course of lectures to the students on the treatment of auriferous and other ores by the most improved processes. We have treated 33 parcels of quartz and pyrites, weighing in all 46 tons, the results being 118 oz 15 dwt. The quartz and pyrites came from all parts of Australia, Tasmania, and New Zealand, and large and important transactions awaited the result of our treatment of the samples sent to us. Two of the samples were forwarded in bullock hides, and conveyed by camels from the heart of the continent."— Adopted. Elections.— Messrs Jones, Rosenblum, '''Bechervaise''', and Lonie, who retired by effluxion of time, were elected for another term as councillors. The names of Dr Ochiltree and Mr Nicholls were erased, they not having attended a meeting of the council during the year, and Drs Pinnock and Hudson were elected in their place.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article209453650 |title=BALLARAT SCHOOL OF MIXES. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXIII, |issue=16 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=19 January 1889 |accessdate=18 December 2020 |page=4 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise leads a presentation to staffer Tune upon the occasion of his marriage <blockquote>A very pleasing ceremony took place at the Western telegraph office yesterday, when Mr H. Tune was presented by his brother officers, on the eve of his marriage, with a handsome silver teapot and butter-cooler. Mr '''Bechervaise''', in the presence of his assembled staff, when making the presentation, referred in eulogistic terms to the harmonious relations that prevailed amongst the officers generally. He trusted such relations would long continue. They were an evidence of good-will. Mr '''Bechervaise''', in concluding a brief but happy speech, wished Mr Tune future success and happiness — a sentiment heartily endorsed by the assembled officers. During the time Mr Tune has been located here he has shown himself to be a smart and capable officer, and has made many friends outside the circle of his official duties. On the presentation being made Mr Tune replied in a suitable manner, and a very pleasant gathering was brought to a close.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article209453851 |title=No title |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXIII, |issue=20 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=24 January 1889 |accessdate=18 December 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1889 02===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Bechervaise attends ordinary monthly meeting of the administrative council of the School of Mines, provision of electric lighting to be considered <blockquote>The ordinary monthly meeting of the administrative council of the School of Mines was held at the institution yesterday. Present — The vice president, Mr Andrew Anderson, J.P., (in the chair), Crs His Lordship the Bishop of Ballarat (Government representative), Thomas Mann, B.A., LL.B. (University representative), the Ven. Archdeacon Churchill Julius, M.A.; Dr Hudson, Dr Pinnock, '''W. P. Bechervaise''', J. Lonie, E. I. Rosenblum, F. J. Martell, and R. T. Vale, M.L.A. Minutes of previous meeting were confirmed, and accounts amounting to £302 3s 7d were passed for payment. It was resolved to take immediate steps for the formation of a class in surveying, to be entirely distinct from any other of the school classes; and that Professor Krause be requested to undertake the conduct of this class. It was decided that the lectures on the geological and mining conditions of ores in different parts of the globe, and on the metallurgical treatment of each particular class of ores, to be delivered in parallel courses by the professors during the current session, should be printed for circulation. A sub-committee was appointed to consider and report to the next meeting of the council on the question of lighting some of the classrooms with the electric light. Reports were received from the staff to the effect that the classes are rapidly forming for the various lecture courses. The vice president invited members of the council to meet the education committee at the adjourned meeting to be held at the school on Wednesday (tomorrow) at 4.30 p.m., to make a selection from the candidates for appointment to the vacant lectureships. The council then adjourned. <ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article204039345 |title=No title |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXIV, |issue=30 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=5 February 1889 |accessdate=18 December 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1889 03===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Public dissatisfaction with the operation of the Public Service and Board continues to be voiced (here the Ballarat Star), the Bechervaise case being an exemplar <blockquote>'''A FOOL'S PARADISE. No. 2.''' The system of new appointments is worked thus:— Mr Smith, of a certain branch, applies for a certain number of new hands, on the grounds that the business of his section his greatly increased. Sometimes a departmental officer is sent to investigate the matter; sometimes no report whatever is required; and the Public Service Board is then notified that such new hands are necessary. Now and again a live inspector appears who really does accurately gauge the business; sometimes a very dead inspector shakes hands with Mr Smith, chats with him a few moments over the weather, glances carelessly at the books, and then makes his report. What part, then, does the Public Service Board play in this very vital matter? Simply that of an onlooker. The increase may or may not be warranted; whether it is or not is not their business to ascertain. Their business is to see that the requisite examination is held, and the appointments made according to law, a work that any schoolboy could accomplish. Even if an inspector honestly does his work, he acts sometimes upon totally wrong principles. Instead of the work being arranged, he takes the heaviest business done during an exceptional period as the basis of his calculations, and upon this he judges the requirements of the whole year. This is manifestly absurd, for it is just possible that a few hours' overtime at certain seasons would accomplish all the ends required. The commendation of the head of the department being given to the increase, the board is then brought upon the scene. Seeing that the board is not overwhelmed with work, it will be supposed that they carefully satisfy themselves that the increased staff is necessary, but the board does nothing of the kind. It is quite satisfied to leave all that responsibility to the Minister, and with a clear conscience proceeds to set its ponderous machinery in motion. Thus it will be seen that the duties of the board have, so far, been confined to its office. If it was actuated by patriotic feelings it would go further, and insist upon seeing with its own eyes the necessity for all increases. It is a very serious, and alarming thing to contemplate that there is no check upon the expansion of the public service. As a rule a public servant has not a very severe notion of what constitutes a fair day's work, and in many instances a Department that is considered undermanned by its head, if he were head of it as a commercial institution, would be thought very much overmanned. Having then obtained additional officers under his control Mr Smith very soon has the great expansion of his section brought under the notice of the Minister, with the consequence that the ensuing Estimates provide for a consequent promotion in classification. Here the board is supposed to be specially active in its supervision, but its liveliness is very galvanic. In all cases it only carries out the request of the department, and does so upon sadly insufficient data. The office having been raised in class the next thing is to put the proper man, that is the intriguer, into the position. Judging the administration of the service from a study of the Act the public are inclined to believe that, all things being equal and no incompetency proved, the senior man must in the operation of the automatic system of promotions, obtain the place; but this is far from being the case. The senior man may beg and implore, may petition and interview both board and Minister; but there is no getting past the ban of the departmental head. It is he, and he alone, who must certify to the ability of the applicant to fill the post, and if he insists upon recommending a junior, that junior obtains the position in spite of all other claims. It will be seen immediately how this power of veto so acts as to make the appointment of the officer who has so carefully laid his plans a moral certainty, but at present we will deal with the abuse of this power of veto, illustrating it with a most flagrant instance of wrong doing. Some 18 months, or more, past a vacancy occurred in the correspondence branch of the Education Department through the death of a third class officer. The form of asking the Public Service Board to nominate a successor was, of course, carefully gone through; meanwhile the work was done by a junior officer whom it was the intention of the chief clerk to have appointed to the position. It must be carefully understood that under the new Act all the departments are classed as one service; there is no hard and fast line between the different sections such as previously existed. Two senior men in the Education Department, to whom the post was offered in the automatic course, were distinctly told to decline it, as the required certificate would not be forthcoming. In due course it was offered to two other officers, who also either declined it, or were reported unfavorably upon; and now the work is being done by a fifth man, who has served his three months' probation in a perfectly satisfactory manner, but who will also fail to gain the commendation of the head of the department, so that in time it will come to the officer for whom it is reserved, and who might as well have been hoisted up without all this farcical obeying of the letter of the law. Where is the board in all this? What part does it play here? No part; but that of the puppet of the permanent head, who is making it dance to his own tune. Is it not the obvious duty of the board to look with some suspicion upon these repeated failures, and to discover for itself the competency or incompetency of the officer in question. This is by no means an isolated case, but a very common one. Veto is getting as hateful a word to the public servants as it was to the French patriots of a century ago; and a good many feel inclined to echo their cry of "Veto a' la lanterne." That is one mode of operation; not so common because there are but few men who have the audacity to attempt such an action, but nevertheless it is a perfectly safe and effective mode, and will probably be practised to a larger extent in the future, when the permanent heads discover that the board is not inclined to question their dictum. The general rule of forcing promotion is upon safer ground; grounds that lead to the certain nomination of the required officer. To get a thorough knowledge of this manner of working we will have to go back to our representative, Mr Smith. It has been shown that the increase in classification is brought about by intrigue, and not by the natural increase of the business. Now we will show how the appointment of the officer in question to the position is an absolute certainty. It need hardly be said that in sections of the departments there is a great deal of special work which requires a special kind of knowledge. Sometimes this special knowledge genuinely belongs to the office in question, or the increase of the business has properly raised the position. This was most markedly the case in the instance that was brought before the late Parliament, and so fairly and fully discussed relative to the promotion of Mr Caldwell and Mr '''Bechervaise''' of the Postal Department. In that case we had two able and conscientious officers seeking their rights. There was no question but that the claims of Mr '''Bechervaise''' to his seniority should be allowed, and yet it was also beyond question that Mr Caldwell was the only man in the service who understood the complicated system of our mails. This office had been raised in class by the natural increase of the population, but there are other cases which will not bear such a clear light to be thrown upon them. The case that we cited some weeks back of the amalgamation of the accountant and controller of stamps, is one of the worst cases that could be found. Ever since Mr Morkham was a fourth class officer this intrigue has been rampant, and now he stands on the threshold of the first class; provided for by the estimates, backed by the Minister, merely waiting for the sanction of the board. Why? Because the office has been unduly increased at the expense of other portions of the service; and mark, because special duties have been added on, to which Mr Morkham has served a long apprenticeship, which practically block the promotion of his seniors. This is the most successful way of all. How is an outsider to get hold of all the varied parts of such a complicated office as this in a short three months? Failure is absolutely certain, and Mr Morkham knows it; therefore the Minister is at once faced with the trouble that however much he might desire to do justice to those passed over he has no alternative but to appoint this ambitious gentleman. But where is the functions of the board in all this? Are such high offices to be created without any adequate check? Are such dangerous amalgamations as have already been pointed out to be merely at the instance of the officer interested or the Minister who is anxious to effect a saving? Is it not the function of the board to see that an officer attempting the position is given a fair trial; and is it not specially the function of the board to ascertain whether or not such an amalgamation of offices is desirable? The only justification that at present exists for the amalgamation of accountant and controller of stamps in the Postal Department is that it makes Mr Morkham a first-class officer, a reason, however adequate it may appear to the Postmaster-General, is one that does not commend itself to the general public. It is profoundly to be hoped that the Public Service Board will not sanction this promotion and amalgamation until they have carefully satisfied themselves that such a step is wise and free from danger; and further still, it is to be hoped that they will not pass over other able officers simply because they have not the special knowledge that can only be obtained from a practical trial. There are also rumors of much the same sort of thing occurring in the Water Supply Department. Here again we have a department that is increasing at a marvellous rate. A department that has charge of vast sums of money, and here as elsewhere, we find men who probably would deal gently with their own funds, dealing very lavishly with the funds of the colony simply to make their own reputations. Sometimes they sadly mar them, as the engineers of the Geelong Water Supply did. Now and again they meet people who will not be humbugged, and then we have a pretty game of shuttlecock, the aggrieved people trying to reach the Minister, and the officer who is making his name and fame trying to keep them back. We have heard of an instance up near Kerang, where an engineer is trying to force upon the farmers of a certain district an expensive gravitation scheme of irrigation, where only a pumping scheme is possible. As one of the farmers in question says — "Our land is higher in places than the spot from which he wishes to draw his supply. We don't want to take a drop of water in this way. We only want an inexpensive scheme for allowing the water to flow into the lakes during the winter floods, and a trust which will enable each farmer to reach the supply." So strongly did they feel upon the matter that they wrote a long and categorical complaint to the department, and received, to their intense disgust, a controversial reply questioning all their statements from the officer himself, whose work they were protesting against. "The State. That is me!" exclaimed the French Louis, and these farmers discovered that in appealing to the department they were appealing to the engineer himself. No doubt both Mr Deakin and Mr Langtree must rely upon the reports of their officers. It is impossible for either to keep in touch with the huge correspondence that passes through their hands, but where a strong local request is preferred something more than the report of the professional engineer anxious to do a big work should be required.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article204040552 |title=A FOOL'S PARADIE. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXIV, |issue=54 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=5 March 1889 |accessdate=18 December 2020 |page=4 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise case raised at political rally in Ballarat to illustrate operation of favouritism in the Public Service <blockquote>'''THE GENERAL ELECTION. LIEUT.-COLONEL SMITH AT THE ACADEMY OF MUSIC.''' Lieutenant-Colonel Smith, the senior retiring member for Ballarat West, addressed a large meeting of the electors last evening at the Academy of Music. The building was filled in every part. Among those on the platform were Messrs R. T. Vale and Mr R. M. Serjeant, who were present in response to the invitation extended to the other candidates. The mayor of the city, Mr J. G. McDonald, occupied the chair. The Colonel was loudly applauded on making his appearance on the platform. The Mayor, in introducing the Colonel, said he was privileged to have an opportunity of introducing to them an old veteran not a novice in politics. He had presided at several meetings of late, but this was one of the most influential. The Colonel had done this constituency good service in the past, and as he had done in the past so he would do in the future. (Applause.) He was glad the Colonel was looking so rosy, and fit to contest any election. (Applause.) He had pleasure in introducing one who had done such good service in the past. He (the chairman) had no doubt but what they would send him back at the head of the poll. (Applause.) The chairman read apologies from Mr C. C. Shoppee and Mr S. L. Bailey, expressing their regret at being unable to be present at the meeting owing to previous engagements having been entered into. The Colonel, who was received with great applause, said he had first to thank those of the candidates who were present, as well as those who had sent apologies. He had further to thank the people of Ballarat for the great amount of sympathy shown him during his late illness. It was a great consolation to him in trying moments to know that he had their fullest sympathy. (Applause.) It had been his usual custom to address them during the recess, but he had this time been unable to do so. . . . '''The "Honesty" Cry'''. Everybody said this was an honest Government. That implied that other Governments were not honest. They were all honest until they were found out. (Laughter.) If a commission was appointed it ought not to deal only with the lower grades of the public service, with the working boss, but also with the heads — with those who were getting their £1000 or £1100 a year. But that was the case. Gentlemen with £800 per annum when the coalition came, since had their salaries raised to £900 and £1000, and some to £1100 a year, increases not recommended by the Civil Service Commissioners at all. Ministers rewarded in this way their friends for services rendered. He (Mr Smith) had to bring the question of Mr '''Bechervaise's''' services before Parliament. When the whole service in Melbourne was disorganised, Mr '''Bechervaise''' had been sent to Melbourne, and when he left there it was in good working order. Yet Mr '''Bechervaise''' was not rewarded. The Smiberts and their brother-in-law ruled everything in the post office. (Laughter.) The two brothers and the brother-in-law were a nice little family party. (Laughter.) While the patronage was taken from the people's representatives it was given to the heads of the department, enjoying their £1000 or £1100 a year. It might be all right for that little family, but it was not right for the rest of the civil servants. He (the Colonel) would have said nothing if these commissions were formed on fair grounds, and Ministers and heads of departments respected them. (Applause.) He had moved in the late Parliament for a return of contracts to the amount of £100,000, which had been entered into without tenders having been called for. If it was contrary to law to put your hands in your own pockets to bribe somebody, surely it was worse to put it in somebody else's pocket for the purpose of bribe. This system was being followed out all the time. The contracts were given to political friends. Contracts! he called them political jobs. There were no contractors, he ventured to say, outside of Melbourne, who had got any of these contracts without tendering for them. This was something that should not be tolerated in any colony. The people should know that this was going on, and he was opposed to any such practice. (Applause.) . . .<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article204040704 |title=THE GENERAL ELECTION. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXIV, |issue=57 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=8 March 1889 |accessdate=18 December 2020 |page=4 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Detailed opinion piece by the Age, highlights corrupt promotion practices in the Vic PMGD, includes Bechervaise's situation. This environment was recognized Australia wide and arguably led to the almost complete failure of the senior tiers of the Vic PMGD to secure opportunities in the new Commonwealth PMGD a decade later <blockquote>'''ADMINISTRATION OF THE GENERAL POST OFFICE. EVASION OF THE PUBLIC SERVICE ACT.''' A widespread spirit of discontent and resentment prevails throughout the entire department under Mr. Derham's control. It is difficult to lay the entire blame for this state of things upon any particular individual, but it must be evident that the Minister is primarily responsible for maladministration or any action calculated to produce disorganisation in the department over which he presides. Had he kept well within the provisions of the statute his position would have been unassailable, and probably it could be urged that the complaints made were unfounded. After thorough inquiry it appears that the officers principally concerned have every justification for considering themselves unfairly, if not illegally, dealt with. Mr. Derham, in fact, has afforded another proof of the facility with which a coach and four can be driven through an act of Parliament. The Public Service Commissioners have always maintained — at least, whenever it suited their purpose — that the Public Service Act is so rigid and iron-bound that the regulations framed under it are inflexible, and cannot vary to suit one individual to the detriment of another; that personal influence or favoritism, injustice or wrong, are utterly impossible. Such may have been the intention of the Legislature and, hard as many cases may appear, so long as the law is conscientiously administered the public at least have no right to complain. The act has, however, been proved capable of evasion owing to the partiality of Ministers, and the weak-kneed vacillating character of the board of commissioners. The board, it may be mentioned, takes no particular cognisance of the mere allocation of work in the departments, unless some question or dispute arises. An officer may be called on to discharge a variety of duties quite apart from, in addition to, those for which he has been graded. So long as he does not require nor has been recommended for promotion, the commissioners do not interfere. If the Minister, or head of a department, wishes to give a particular officer a chance of preferment, he first increases the scope of his duties, and when he has, as it were, established a claim to consideration by the nature of the work upon which he has been employed, the official applies for transfer to a higher class, and should his application be approved the recommendation of the Minister and permanent head is forwarded to the commissioners, who are not slow to grasp the situation. It must be obvious that an inexperienced politician can be easily influenced by his superior officers and commit himself to acts which, did he possess more moral backbone, he would sedulously avoid; but his want of knowledge and capacity forms a poor excuse to those who suffer injustice at his hands. As if anticipating possible eventualities, Mr. Derham has recently forwarded to the Public Service Board a list of officers in his department whom he recommends strongly for immediate promotion. They include the following:— Mr. Caldwell, from being second class inspector to be first class; Mr. George Smibert, from inspector to be telegraph engineer and graded first class; Mr. Outtrim, from third to be second class inspector; Mr. Springhall, to act in a variety of important capacities, which we will notice below, and to be a first class officer; and Mr. Morkham, as accountant of the postal department and of the telegraphic branch and as controller of stamps to be raised also to a higher class. In any comments made respecting these nominations we have no wish to disparage the abilities of these gentlemen or to insinuate that they personally are chargeable with an attempt to obtain promotion by unfair or illegal means. Mr. James Smibert was appointed to the position of Deputy Postmaster-General owing to his having been placed in the position of the late Mr. McGowan to temporarily discharge the duties of secretary, to the department. When it became necessary to appoint an officer permanently to the post, Mr. Galbraith, who was entitled to promotion, was put aside by Mr. Derham on the grounds that he had had no experience of the duties to be performed. As the matter was referred to in Parliament the Minister thought it better to disarm criticism by making a pretence of advancing Mr. Galbraith, who was accordingly made assistant-secretary, an empty title, which conferred no increase either of status or salary. Shortly afterwards Mr. Caldwell was nominated for the position of chief inspector; but a slight difficulty arose in the way of his appointment, owing to a senior officer, equally competent, protesting against what he contended was a gross act of injustice. Mr. Caldwell, it may be said, is a near relative of the Deputy Postmaster-General, and it was decided to make some arrangement by means of which the unexpected obstacle raised could be removed. Mr. '''Bechervaise''', in charge of the Ballarat office, was the officer who, by seniority and unquestionable qualifications, claimed the position of chief inspector, and his protest was put forward in Parliament. Mr. Derham made in this case the same excuse as in that of Mr. James Smibert; but in order to prevent heartburning he promised to satisfy Mr. '''Bechervaise''', and made provision for that purpose on the estimates. It was not until this had been done that the estimates for the Postmaster-General's department were allowed to pass without further discussion. Thus a country postmaster was promoted to first class to secure a billet for a relative, while the superintendent of mails in Melbourne remains in the second class, the anomaly being of course of no importance so long as Mr. Caldwell secured the position of chief inspector. Mr. George Smibert, the brother of the Deputy Postmaster-General, is the next nominee for promotion. He at present occupies the position of second class inspector, and it is proposed to make him engineer of the department, with the position of first class professional. Now, Mr. Payter, assistant telegraph manager, is by many years the senior of Mr. George Smibert, and is equally qualified, scientifically and officially. Mr. Payter, we believe, was a candidate for the position, and it certainly came with a bad grace from Mr. James Smibert to certify that his relative was the only person qualified to fill the newly created post of engineer and general electrician. Mr. Outtrim, the brother of the member for Maryborough, is a comparatively young officer, being a fourth class junior; but being a protege of the powers that be, and one of those known in the department as the "Williamstown ring," he was selected specially for promotion. He also, as in other cases, has been qualified by being given duties which were entirely outside the routine of his class. It is proposed to appoint him from the third to the second class inspector over the heads of no less than 121 officers of the third class, as they appear in the published seniority list. A no less glaring case of undue favoritism is shown as regards Mr. John A. Springhall. This gentleman's name appears in the seniority list opposite the number 129. Not many years ago he was a letter carrier at Williamstown and was transferred to the stores branch on the death of the senior officer, the late Mr. Atkinson. The modus operandi adopted in pushing the interests of this young gentleman was similar to that pursued in the cases mentioned above. While in charge of the stores he was entrusted with the duties of other offices, any one of which was sufficient to claim his undivided attention. In the Government Gazette of the 13th July last appeared the following advertisement:— A vacancy exists in the Post and Telegraph department for an officer of the second class. Any officer in the third class of the clerical division who may consider himself qualified by seniority and merit combined to fill the office referred to may apply for the position, through the head of his department, to the Public Service Board on or before Thursday, the 19th instant. The duties of the office in question are set forth below. Every application must contain evidence of the applicant's qualifications to perform such duties. DESCRIPTION OF DUTIES. As supervisor of maintenance he has charge of Post Office buildings, &c., and has control of the tradesmen employed by the department. As officer in charge of stores, is responsible for the ordering and issuing of all supplies of stores for the department. As manager of the Parcels Post branch, superintends the work in connection with the Inland Parcels Post system, and assesses value of contents of British and foreign parcels for duty. As manager of the Telephone Exchange, is responsible for the proper working of the Exchange. This extraordinary amalgamation of offices could only be intended for one purpose, namely, to give the gentleman who at the time was actually performing the work the opportunity of applying for the positions, and, owing to their important nature, asking for an advance in class. The least consideration of the multifarious duties indicated must show the utter impossibility of one officer undertaking to discharge them efficiently. Of course, few men in their senses would attempt to do the work unless he knew that he was so favorably regarded by the superior officers that he should not suffer for lack of assistance from juniors. In fact, this system of amalgamating offices is simply designed to throw all the power and patronage into the hands of a few, whose work is principally performed by deputy. Mr. Springhall from being a fifth class officer will now, if appointed, be placed in the second, possibly in the first class, while gentlemen his superiors in every respect will be thrust aside at the suggestion of the Postmaster-General. To give a further illustration of the extent to which the new system has been carried, the complaint laid before Mr. Derham by a deputation of officers in his department a few days ago may be cited. This Mr. Springhall was instructed to make arrangements for post and telegraph purposes in connection with the Exhibition. He was anxious for some time to assist in the promotion of a friend who was a telegraph operator. He had some difficulty in accomplishing this object, as trouble was threatened in the department. He succeeded, however, in having him transferred to the Exhibition, and when the big show closed this humble protege of the erstwhile letter carrier was not sent to resume his former position as a telegraph operator, but was removed to the correspondence branch of the Postal department. This proceeding produced a storm from another direction, as the clerks in the Post Office considered themselves aggrieved, and waited on Mr. Derham in a body to protest against this act of injustice, inasmuch as it would have the effect of retarding their promotion. The telegraph officers declare that the object of the so-called "ring" is to so reduce the status of their branch as to leave them all in the 4th class, except the head, who will, should the occasion arise, be selected from the 3rd class if one of the pluralists should not undertake to discharge these duties also, in addition to his own. The present manager is one of the oldest and most respected officers in the service, and when, some days ago, he applied for an office in the newly built portion of the Post Office he was allotted a room where he would be altogether inaccessible to the public. Having pointed out this fact he was informed that there should be no necessity for the public to see him. Anyone who understands the nature of the duties devolving upon the manager of the Telegraph department will readily comprehend the stupidity, no less than the discourtesy, of this answer. Upon the strained relations between the telegraph officials and the chief officials of the Post Office much might be said if space permitted. It may be mentioned in support of what has already appeared in The Age that the system of affixing stamps to telegrams, introduced by Mr. Morkham, resulted in no less than 60 cases of fraudulent appropriation in one receiving office alone in the space of a few months, and the delinquent could not be discovered; while, as to the intercolonial service, it is admitted by the officers that it affords every opportunity for the perpetration of fraud. From what we have urged above, the information respecting which has been obtained from authoritative sources, it must be plain that it is high time the Government stepped in and prevented Mr. Derham from pursuing a course of conduct which must sooner or later produce an organised resistance to the injustice and favoritism of which his department is the nursery.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article196994460 |title=ADMINISTRATION OF THE GENERAL POST OFFICE. |newspaper=[[The Age]] |issue=10,622 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=9 March 1889 |accessdate=19 December 2020 |page=13 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise leads a presentation to a staffer on the occasion of his marriage <blockquote>On Thursday last Mr T. T. Martin, of the City Telegraph Office, was made the recipient of a handsome silver biscuit stand and butter cooler, Mr Martin, who is well known in musical circles, and who is today to be married to a well-known young lady resident of Ballarat East, has been employed in the above office for over 10 years. The presentation was made by the postmaster, Mr '''Bechervaise''', who, on behalf of the staff, congratulated Mr Martin and wished him every happiness and prosperity in his married life. At St John's Presbyterian Church on Friday evening, during choir practice, Mr Martin, who is one of the leading members, was the recipient of a very handsome writing desk from the members as a token of the respect and esteem in which he is held by them. Mr M. B. Johns, in making the presentation, spoke of the many valuable services rendered by Mr Martin to that body, and wished him on their behalf joy and prosperity in his new sphere. Several other members also spoke, endorsing the remarks and assuring him that he would carry away the best wishes of them all. Mr T. Martin responded in feeling terms. <ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article204040773 |title=No title |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXIV, |issue=59 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=11 March 1889 |accessdate=19 December 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Derham, incumbent Postmaster-General Victoria, attempts to defend the endemic corruption and nepotism in his department on the eve of the election <blockquote>'''ELECTORATE OF PORT MELBOURNE. MR. DERHAM AT THE EXCELSIOR-HALL.''' Mr. F. T. Derham, Postmaster-General, addressed the electors of Port Melbourne at the Excelsior-hall last night. Mr. W. H. Prohasy, the mayor, occupied the chair. The hall was crowded. Mr. Derham, who was received with loud cheers, said that most serious and important issues were to be decided by the electors next day. Following upon the land booms which had occurred in the metropolitan area, there was a serious relapse, and it behoved everyone who took a deep interest in the welfare of the country to cast his vote in behalf of those who were working for the peace of the country, for on that depended the question whether commercial confidence was to be maintained, and the working classes, who were the first to feel the effects of depression, retained in the employment they now had. (Cheers.) The character of the large and orderly meeting which he addressed at the townhall on the previous night had been grossly misrepresented by his opponent, who occupied the extraordinary position of being able to report or misreport his (Mr. Derham's) meetings in a Melbourne newspaper. It was stated that after the meeting a deputation of Post-office employes waited upon Mr. Salmon, and laid their grievances before him. If there were any employes in the Post-office with grievances, they did not present them to the proper person. He (Mr. Derham) had never refused an interview to any officer in the department, from the lowest to the highest, since he had presided over the department. (Cheers.) There was one employe of the Post office present at the meeting of the previous night who was not an elector of Port Melbourne. That employe had a grievance when he (Mr. Derham) took charge of the department, and though he might have refused to reopen a case which had been dealt with by his predecessor, he did not rufuse, as he considered it was never too late to do justice. (Cheers.) He heard the statement of that officer, and made an award in his favour. Because the award did not answer all his expectations, the officer placed his case in the hands of Mr C. E. Jones. That gentleman brought it before Parliament in such a manner that the members were supremely disgusted, and they expressed their confidence in his (Mr. Derham's) administration by scouting the matter out of Parliament without allowing him even to make a reply to the charges. (Cheers.) Mr Salmon had commenced the campaign by stating that he (Mr. Derham) had promoted relatives of his own in the Postal department, but he now admitted he was in error. (Laughter.) Referring to specific charges made against him, the candidate said it was true that he had made inquiries in the department as to who had furnished certain information to the press. It appeared to him that there were traitors in the camp; that some of the officers were disloyal to the Minister, and disloyal to the service in communicating information to the press which it was their duty first of all to have communicated to the Minister through the proper officer. (Hear, hear.) It was uttterly untrue, however, that the officers had been furnished with a printed list of questions to answer on the subject — that was a pure fabrication. It was stated that he had in view of anticipating possible eventualities forwarded a list of officers to the Public Service Board whom he recommended strongly for promotion. One of these was said to be Mr Caldwell, who was to be promoted from the second class to the first class. The fact was that Mr. Caldwell was promoted on the nomination of the Public Service Board several months ago. (Cheers.) Mr. Springhall, it was said, was to be a first class officer. No such thing was possible. Mr. Springhall was now a fourth class officer, and if he were promoted at all it would be to the third class, not the first. Mr. '''Bechervaise''' was said to be the officer who by seniority claimed the position of chief inspector, and his claim was put forward in Parliament. That was true, and Parliament, after hearing the statement of Colonel Smith, who brought the matter up, and his (Mr. Derham's) reply was satisfied that the best possible appointment had been made in the public interest. (Cheers.) Not seniority alone, but "seniority and merit," was the basis of promotion laid down in the Public Service Act, and he had made all appointments in accordance with that act. It was further stated that, in order to prevent heartburning, he promised to satisfy Mr '''Bechervaise''', and made provision for that purpose in the Estimates. No such promise was made. He was asked to do so and refused. (Cheers.) He was placed in a position of public trust, and it was not his duty to make billets for any persons. It was also said that he had promoted an officer who had been on duty at the Exhibition, and had returned to the office, to another branch, and that this had raised a storm, and the clerks waited upon him in a body to protest. Not one single officer of the department had whispered a complaint to him on the subject. An alleged refusal to give an officer a room in the newly-built portion of the premises was made the basis of a further charge, but the fact was that the room asked for had been granted to the officer several days before the charge was made. (Cheers.) These were some of the falsehoods which were circulated to his detriment. He was ready to answer them always, and would do so in Parliament if returned. (Loud cheers.) The electors were called upon to decide on the morrow whether Parliament should be conducted decently and in order, or whether the scenes by which it had been recently discredited should be repeated. The question would be put — Whether the programme of the Government, which showed a strong desire to help the people and extend the area of protection, should be adopted, or whether the electors would send to Parliament persons prepared to plunge the country into trouble? A large amount of money had lately been introduced into the country. The credit of the colony never stood higher, and the electors should take care that they did nothing to lower it. (Cheers.) It had been charged against him that he had neglected local interests. But that cry in the face of the figures he had brought forward at previous meetings had been dropped. He believed that tomorrow the largest vote ever cast in the constituency would be cast on his behalf. (Loud and prolonged cheers.) In answer to questions, the candidate stated that so long as a man was hale and hearty and doing good service to the state he would not be in favour of adhering too closely to the rule as regarded superannuation in the public service. The whole question might, perhaps, be open to reconsideration. In reply to the question as to whether he had been threatened that if he did not make Mr. Salmon a J.P. he would oppose him at the election, the candidate said that a few weeks before Mr. Salmon declared himself as a candidate a deputation of his friends waited upon him (Mr. Derham) and pressed upon him to make Mr. Salmon and Mr. Tarver justices of the peace at once. In reply, he said he could not ask the Government to appoint justices of the peace for his district alone, but that when the justices were appointed for the whole colony those names would be fairly considered. Upon that he was told that if those two gentlemen were appointed at once he (Mr. Derham) would be saved great expense. (Laughter and groans.) He would not allow himself to be coerced in that way, and he replied that the Government had come to a certain conclusion, and he was prepared to stand by it and take the consequences. (Cheers.) A motion to the effect that Mr. Derham still retained the confidence of the electors was moved by Mr. H. N. Edwards, seconded by Mr. Frank Robins, and carried unanimously. Hearty cheers twice repeated were given for Mr. Derham. The meeting closed with a vote of thanks to the chairman.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article6234695 |title='THE GENERAL ELECTION". |newspaper=[[The Argus (Melbourne)]] |issue=13,343 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=28 March 1889 |accessdate=19 December 2020 |page=8 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1889 04===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Bechervaise leads another farewell to staffer of the City Electric Telegraph Office <blockquote>Mr T. Gray, of the City Electric Telegraph Office, was yesterday made the recipient, on the occasion of his removing to Melbourne, of a valuable token of the esteem in which he is held by his brother officers. Mr '''Bechervaise''' made the presentation. In doing so he expressed the hope that the future of Mr Gray would fulfil its early promise. Mr Gray thanked the donors for their kind wishes and handsome present, and said he would never forget the friends he had made during his career in the office. During his stay in the golden city Mr Gray has made numerous friends. Mr Gray proceeds to Melbourne by this afternoon's train. <ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article204041748 |title=No title |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXIV, |issue=80 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=4 April 1889 |accessdate=19 December 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1889 05===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Rumours that Bechervaise to be promoted to Galbraith's former position <blockquote>'''COUNTRY NEWS.''' (By Wire.— From Our Correspondents.) BALLARAT, Tuesday. . . . It is reported here that the vacancy created by the promotion of Mr. Galbraith to the position of Secretary for Public Works will be filled by Mr. '''Bechervaise''', post and telegraph master in Ballarat West.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article197322336 |title=COUNTRY NEWS. |newspaper=[[The Age]] |issue=10,690 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=29 May 1889 |accessdate=20 December 2020 |page=6 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1889 06===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Bechervaise's son Walter Reed Bechervaise to attend meeting of Flora Bell Company <blockquote>'''FLORA BELL PROPRIETARY SILVER MINING CO. NO LIABILITY.''' Notice is hereby given that the Second Ordinary Half Yearly General MEETING of the above company will be held on WEDNESDAY, the 19th INST., at the offices of the company, 39 Queen-street, Melbourne, at 4 o'clock p.m. Business: 1. To receive and adopt the directors' report and balance sheet for the half year ending 30th April, 1889. 2. To elect five directors in place of Messrs. Agar Wynne, David Ham, T. J. Dibdin, D. C. Sterry and Walter '''Bechervaise''', who retire in accordance with the Articles of Association, but are eligible and offer themselves for re-election. 3. To elect two auditors in place of Messrs. Colin Templeton and Alfred Mellor, who retire in accordance with the Articles of Association, but are eligible for re-election. 4. To transact any other business that may be brought forward by the directors. By order of the Board, THOS. ROLLASON, Manager. <ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article197329627 |title=Advertising |newspaper=[[The Age]] |issue=10,701 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=11 June 1889 |accessdate=20 December 2020 |page=8 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1889 07===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Bechervaise again applies for a promotion <blockquote>Several applications have been received by the Postmaster-General from public servants who consider themselves entitled by seniority and merit to appointment to the position of chief clerk and assistant secretary in the Post-office department, rendered vacant by the transference of Mr. W. Galbraith to the office of secretary of Public Works. It is understood that the selection will be confined to officers of the department. The two candidates who are regarded as having the greatest claims for promotion are Mr. T. R. James, manager of the central telegraph-office, Melbourne, who has been connected with the department since April, 1854, and Mr. '''W. P. Bechervaise''', postmaster at Ballarat, who joined the public service in December, 1856.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article6259008 |title=The Argus. |newspaper=[[The Argus (Melbourne)]] |issue=13,424 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=2 July 1889 |accessdate=20 December 2020 |page=5 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> As previous <blockquote>'''NEWS OF THE DAY.''' . . . The Public Service Board have nominated Mr. T. R. James, who has for several years been manager of the central telegraph office, the duties of which position he has filled in a highly satisfactory manner, for the position of assistant secretary and chief clerk of the Post Office department, rendered vacant by the appointment of Mr. W. Galbraith to the office of secretary of Public Works. The nomination has yet to be approved by the Postmaster-General. It is understood that Mr. '''Bechervaise''', postmaster at Ballarat, has been nominated to succeed Mr. James. Mr. '''Bechervaise''' filled the same position some years ago prior to being removed to Ballarat.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article197326761 |title=NEWS OF THE DAY. |newspaper=[[The Age]] |issue=10,722 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=5 July 1889 |accessdate=20 December 2020 |page=4 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> As previous <blockquote>Mr. W. P. '''Bechervaise''', the popular local postmaster, has been nominated for the position of superintendent of the central tele-graph office, Melbourne, in place of Mr James, who has been promoted to the position of assistant secretary to the Postal Department. The numerous friends of Mr '''Bechervaise''' in Ballarat will be pleased at his promotion, while regretting that it will necessitate his removal from their midst.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article209454482 |title=No title |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXIV, |issue=159 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=6 July 1889 |accessdate=20 December 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise on committee for farewell concert for singer Mr H. Chilver Wilson <blockquote>A large and influential meeting of gentlemen was held at Craig's hotel last evening, to arrange for a farewell concert to Mr H. Chilver Wilson. Mr John Robson, J.P., was voted to the chair. Mr E. J. Webb was appointed treasurer, and Mr W. D. Hill hon. secretary. An executive committee, consisting of the following, was appointed to carry out the concert, viz.:— Messrs John Robson, E. J. Webb, Dr H. R. Salmon, Dr Ochiltree, A. R. Tunbridge, R. S. Wrigley, T. A. Robertson, J. J. Bailey, W. P. '''Bechervaise''', W. D. Hill. Apologies were received from Dr Pinnock, Mr R. S. Foley, Mr W. P. '''Bechervaise''', Mr W. E. Baullhaussen, Cr E. T. Whitten, Mr R. Wrigley, and Mr C. Davies. The concert will probably come off about the beginning of August, and promises to be a big success.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article209454967 |title=No title |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXIV, |issue=167 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=16 July 1889 |accessdate=20 December 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1889 08===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Bechervaise's efforts on committee for return ball to City Mayor are fruitful <blockquote>'''RETURN BALL TO THE CITY MAYOR.''' The return ball to Mr J. G. McDonald, the Mayor of the City, was given in the Alfred Hall last night, when over 400 ladies and gentlemen were in attendance. Dancing commenced at half-past 8 o'clock, the music being supplied by Mr West's operatic band. The interior of the hall, with its floral and other decorations, presented a brilliant appearance, and the floor was all that could be desired by the most exacting of terpsi-choreans. Among the costumes of the ladies were a number of very pretty dresses. To Messrs E. F. Smyth (chairman of the committee), Webb (treasurer), Messrs '''Bechervaise''' and James Ivey, and other gentlemen praise is due for the complete manner in which the ball arrangements were carried out. Mr R. G. Claxton, the secretary, also performed valuable work in bringing the affair to a satisfactory termination. His duties were of an onerous character, involving much time and trouble. As the visitors to the hall last evening were greatly pleased with the decorations, it will be interesting to mention that they were the handiwork of Mr Stevenson, who was supervised by Mr J. Ivey. Shortly after 11 o'clock the company sat down to a substantial repast provided by Mr McIntyre, of Bridge street. "The Queen" and other toasts were suitably honored, after which dancing was resumed and continued until an advanced hour. The following is a list of the names of those who were present:— . . . <ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article209455838 |title=RETURN BALL TO THE CITY MAYOR. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXIV, |issue=182 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=2 August 1889 |accessdate=20 December 2020 |page=3 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise exceptionally unable to attend monthly meeting of the administrative council of the School of Mines <blockquote>The ordinary monthly meeting of the administrative council of the School of Mines was held yesterday. Present — The vice-president (in the chair), Crs J. Lonie, F. J. Martell, Dr Pinnock, and R. T. Vale. Apologies for absence were received from Crs Theo. Williams and W. P. '''Bechervaise'''. Accounts amounting to £393 17s 10d were passed for payment.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article209455970 |title=No title |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXIV, |issue=185 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=6 August 1889 |accessdate=20 December 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise in a rare letter to the editor, calls for support for the Liedertafel <blockquote>'''ERNANI.''' TO THE EDITOR. SIR,— I was present at the production of this beautiful opera when, in the interval, Mr John Robson, the talented conductor, mentioned in his short speech that he trusted the Ballarat public would give them bumper houses on Thursday and Friday evenings, because if the present effort was not well patronised, the Liedertafel would sustain heavy loss, and it was most improbable, under such circumstances, that a treat of this description would ever again be put before us. Now, considering all the expense incurred, and the hard work that the society must have gone through for weeks past, I think the least we can do is to show our appreciation of the grand and complete success attained in both "Lucrezia" and "Ernani" by well patronising the Academy on Thursday and Friday. We ought, Sir, to be proud of such a splendid production by Mr Robson and all the ladies and gentlemen performing. I have heard good judges from Melbourne assert that it wouldn't be possible, outside of Ballarat, in any of the colonies, to produce opera by amateurs (professionals I should say) equal to what we shall have the privilege to listen to and witness on the two evenings named. Let us, then, as a community be proud of it, and assist by our attendance in great numbers to encourage the Liedertafel, and not only ensure them from loss, but give them a nice little sum to work upon in future.— Yours, &c., WM. P. '''BECHERVAISE'''. Ballarat, 14th August.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article209456491 |title=ERNANI. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXIV, |issue=193 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=15 August 1889 |accessdate=20 December 2020 |page=4 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise chairs the annual general meeting of the Ballarat City Rowing Club, elected president for coming year <blockquote>'''BALLARAT CITY ROWING CLUB.''' The annual general meeting of the Ballarat City Rowing Club was held last evening at Brophy's hotel; Mr Vice-president '''Bechervaise''' in the chair, and about 65 members present. Annual Report.— This was read as follows:— "Your committee beg to present to you their annual report of the past season of your club. As you will remember, we had barely got into working order when we were met with the resignation of our old and staunch supporter and captain (Mr McNaughton), owing to his removal to a Government appointment at Williamstown. This proved very unfortunate to us, as his long services for several years past rendered him highly qualified for the position of our captain, and we regretfully report that we have since his departure felt the want of such a good disciplinarian in the boathouse, and in this particular we must record, which appears to us the one defect in the control and general management of affairs during our term of office. Subsequently we appointed Mr James Byrne, your vice-captain, to fill the post of captain for the remainder of the season. His known ability as an oarsman and his constant willingness to do what he could for the club, makes us deeply grateful to him for his valuable services in the past. He also has now left us and accepted a position in the metropolis. It devolves upon you this evening to elect a captain for the ensuing year, and in whom it need hardly be said a great deal of the success of the club at the aquatic contests will depend. We confidently leave the choice of that officer in your hands. Your thanks are due to your old and tried officer, Mr J. Barnes, in his capacity as coach and trainer of the regatta crews, notably the Maiden Eight, and although not victorious, they acquitted themselves honorably. A long-felt want has been supplied by the purchase from Messrs Edwards and Sons, the builders, of a new eight-oared boat, made to order, on the latest principle, and with the kindly response of the members we had the satisfaction of obtaining the boat in time to be represented in her at the leading regattas of the year. In compliment to our worthy president she was named the "Daniel Brophy." We desire to thank our Maiden Four for their gallant efforts at Colac Regatta, viz.:— Messrs F. Shelley, T. Laughlin, R. Oldham, and H. Adair. During the year we have noted with much satisfaction the increased interest taken in events of the club participated in by all the members, and particularly so the contests for the officers' trophies, and for the Hon. Agar Wynne's gifts. To each of these gentlemen we commend your heartiest thanks tonight for their liberality. After good training and many severe struggles, the winners, as you all well know, were as follows:— Officers' trophies — E. Smith (stroke), G. Rayworth (3), H. Gullen (2), and G. Scott (bow). Hon. A. Wynne's gifts — Geo. Rayworth (stroke), Geo. Petrie (3), R. Toy (2), J. E. Denniston (bow). A very pleasant evening was spent in the distribution of the prizes by your president (Mr D. Brophy) and vice-president (Mr W. P. '''Bechervaise'''). Opportunity was taken to present our ex-Captain McNaughton with an illuminated address expressive of our esteem and regard. We have much pleasure in recording the cordial good feeling existing with the sister clubs throughout the season, and which resulted in the marked success of the United Regatta Committee in having a balance on the right side, we trust it will always continue, and also that the health of our old friend and father of aquatics in Ballarat, ex-captain Ned Williams, will soon be completely restored. We are much pleased at the marked improvement in the cutting of rushes on the lake, and the satisfactory way in which the course was cleared in time for the regatta. The attendance at the committee meetings has been as follows, 19 meetings held:— President, Mr '''Bechervaise''', 9; Captain McNaughton, 10; Mr Byrnes, 10; Mr Barnes, 17; Treasurer Toy, 13; J. Cameron, 19; R. Carden, 12; W. J. Gribble, 1; F. J. Niven, 4; G. Barker, 3; W. Adair, 15; W. Johnson, 4; T. Laughlin, 12; W. Bennett, 9; F. Shelley, 5; A. Legge, 6; secretary, 18. We much regret the departure of Mr J. Niven, a very energetic member of committee. The absence of our worthy president in his usual place as chairman will be much felt this evening, but we trust that, ere long, he will again be with us in perfect health and strength, returned with renewed vigor from his travels round the world. It once more devolves upon us to call upon you to accord your warmest thanks to our true, warm-hearted supporter, Mr '''Bechervaise''', who is constantly with us to cheer us on in the aquatic world. We have only to hope that the day is far distant when we shall be deprived of the invaluable aid of that gentleman as chairman of our annual aquatic fete. As will be seen by the subjoined balance-sheet and statement of assets and liabilities, that the receipts during the past year have been very satisfactory, and were it not for the presence of so many outstanding accounts which met us at the very beginning of the season, and which the committee were determined to pay off, we should be able to show a much better balance. These old accounts have now been swept off, and with the greatest economy compatible with the good working of the club having been exercised, we submit that the position of the club is very commendable. With a view of meeting our liabilities, and to reduce our somewhat overstock of boats, an art union was organised and tickets distributed, it will devolve upon the meeting this evening to formally arrange for the drawing, and with ordinary success we shall be enabled to materially reduce our overdraft, and make room in our sheds for the boats actually in use, which now appears to be somewhat too crowded out. We have finally to appeal to you tonight to make a last effort to bring about a successful result to the undertaking, and by so doing your property as a club will be second to none in the colonies. Our year of office having now expired, we have to thank the members, one and all, for their kind assistance in working with us shoulder to shoulder, energetically and constantly, in every endeavor to further the interests throughout the past season of the B.C.R.C.— H. Herbert Gall, Hon. Secretary." The reports and balance-sheets were read and adopted. The chairman congratulated the members on the good position of the affairs of the club. The following were the results of the elections, viz.:— President, Mr D. Brophy, J.P.; vice-presidents, Messrs W. P. '''Bechervaise''', G. Salter, W. Bentley, and Hon. A. Wynne, M.L.C.; captain, Mr W. Bennett; vice-captain, Mr T. Laughlin; secretary, Mr H. H. Gall; treasurer, Mr R. Toy; assistant-treasurer, Mr J. Cameron. Committee — Messrs J. Laughlin, R. Carden, J. Barnes, J. Anwyl, A. J. Legge, H. Adair, Geo. Rayworth, S. Hatch, and G. Barker. Great applause followed the election of the various officers, and a special vote of thanks was passed to the hon. secretary for his past valuable services. Hearty votes of thanks was passed to the officers, for the past season. A number of new members were proposed, and a most enthusiastic meeting, which bids fair for the future of the club, concluded with a cheer for the chairman.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article209456858 |title=BALLARAT CITY ROWING CLUB. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXIV, |issue=200 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=23 August 1889 |accessdate=20 December 2020 |page=4 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1889 09===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Bechervaise again in Tasmania <blockquote>'''LAUNCESTON.''' [FROM OUR OWN CORRESPONDENT.] Friday. ARRIVED. Elingamite, s.s., 4,000 tons, F. W. Bull, from Melbourne. Passengers — Saloon: Mesdames Mirams, Ride and children (2), Horne, Casey, Harris, Southwell; Misses Pyke, Manuel, Hewitt (2), Plummer, Grubb, Barnes, Power, Bowden, McKenzie, Nicholas, Goldson, Casey, Burrage, Southall, Wright, De Gruchy, Thomas, Scott, Jones, Collier, Mason, Inglis, Braddock, Sergeant, McIntyre, Lane, '''Bechervaise''', Sergeant, Mason (2), Ware, George, Booth, Gourlay, Green, Sparrow, Rudge, Wakham, Walsh, Robbanole, Tidy, Mirams, Nicholas, Gatehouse, McIvor, Reynolds, Young, Thompson; Master Mirams; and 11 in the steerage. From Sydney — Mr. Crossy, Mr. Mason, Mrs. Crossy, Miss Crossy. The s.s. Elingamite left Melbourne at 2.30 p.m. on 26th, and arrived at the wharf at 1 p.m. to day. Experienced fresh S.W. winds and showery weather throughout the passage. . .<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article9220584 |title=LAUNCESTON. |newspaper=[[w:The Mercury (Hobart)|The Mercury]] |volume=LIV, |issue=6,117 |location=Tasmania, Australia |date=28 September 1889 |accessdate=20 December 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1889 10===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Bechervaise makes a presentation at Juvenile Fancy Dress Ball <blockquote>'''LYCEUM DANCING ACADEMY. JUVENILE FANCY DRESS BALL.''' BY "DIANA." The Alfred Hall presented a most brilliant spectacle on Tuesday evening, the occasion being the annual juvenile evening and fancy dress ball given by the Misses Coffey to their pupils attending the Saturday afternoon classes. I much question if it is possible for a more bewitching sight to be imagined. The dresses were simply magnificent, and spoke volumes for the taste of those who dressed the little actors and actresses in this pretty pageant. Fairies, courtiers, poudre lords and ladies, sailors, and the different nationalities, all glided or flew over the polished floors with faces aglow with delight — truly a sight not to be soon forgotten. In an interval in the dances a pupil of Miss Coffey's, Master H. Levien, son of the Hon. J. F. Levien, M.L.A., presented the Misses Coffey with a very handsome and unique gold brooch and bracelet, and in a very nice manner asked them to accept them from their grateful pupils. Mr '''Bechervaise''' responded on behalf of the Misses Coffey. Most of the dances were quite new, and in every instance a decided improvement on the older style. Amongst these we noticed the Scotch polka, the French cotillon, and a very pretty Highland schottische. . . . <ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article209460222 |title=LYCEUM DANCING ACADEMY. |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXIV, |issue=259 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=31 October 1889 |accessdate=20 December 2020 |page=4 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1889 11===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Bechervaise declines offer of transfer to head Melbourne Telegraph Office <blockquote>We understand that Mr W. P. '''Bechervaise''', the local postmaster, has declined the offer made him by the Department. Mr '''Bechervaise''' will continue for the present in his old position.<ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article209460718 |title=No title |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXIV, |issue=268 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=11 November 1889 |accessdate=20 December 2020 |page=2 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> Bechervaise's son Herbert Price Bechervaise appointed deputy-registrar of births and deaths at Elmhurst <blockquote>In the Gazette the following appointments are notified:— H. A. '''Bechervaise''', to be deputy-registrar of births and deaths at Elmhurst, and A. Doherty at Tambuk; . . . <ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article170507555 |title=CITY AND SUBURBS. |newspaper=[[Advocate]] |volume=XXI, |issue=1086 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=16 November 1889 |accessdate=20 December 2020 |page=19 |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> =====1889 12===== <!-- <blockquote>'''<ref></ref></blockquote> --> Bechervaise typical housekeeping <blockquote>. . . The various sections of telegraph lines included in the Ballarat district areas follow:— Extending from Ballarat to Buninyong, Rokewood, Streatham, Clunes, Beaufort, Meredith, Bacchus Marsh, Mount Blackwood, Daylesford, Snake Valley, and Learmonth. All telegraph offices in Victoria are open for transaction of business at ordinary rates, viz,: Six words sixpence, and every additional word 1d, between the hours of 8.30 a.m. and 8 p.m. (Sundays excepted). The night and Sunday arrangements, together with the rates pertaining thereto, with all other information on telegraph and postal matters, are published in the "Monthly Postal and Telegraph Guide." '''WM. PHILIP BECHERVAISE''', Postmaster and Telegraph Manager. <ref>{{cite news |url=http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article209577293 |title=Advertising |newspaper=[[The Ballarat Star]] |volume=XXXIV, |issue=303 |location=Victoria, Australia |date=21 December 1889 |accessdate=20 December 2020 |page=2 (Ballarat Star (Vic. : 1865 - 1924)) |via=National Library of Australia}}</ref></blockquote> ==References== {{Reflist}} {{BookCat}} 3ri6p4rcg3wd8jj50kh1773n17qd817 0 427004 4671732 4630918 2026-09-22T08:20:10Z WereSpielChequers 248949 typo 4671732 wikitext text/x-wiki == Introduction == This textbook is structured around the requirements of the 2020 International Baccalaureate History Guide and in particular World history topic 11: Causes and effects of 20th century wars. In order to stop it getting too large and never being finished, this text book only focuses on the causes, practice and effects of World War One. This textbook explores the causes of World War One, as well as the way in which warfare was conducted in different operational theatres. The textbook also looks at World War One as a total war, the use of technology, and the impact these factors had upon the outcome.Teachers should be aware that covering only one war will not be enough for students to be successful in final examinations due to the comparative nature of exam style questions and other wars should be looked at as well. It is hoped that this textbook will be kept updated and modified as the official guides change in the future. It is written as a textbook so there are both questions and examples throughout. Teachers should be aware that exam style questions are not actual past paper questions in case there are any copyright issues with those but rather practice questions written in exam format. Lastly, while the audience for this textbook is primarily students, all textbooks benefit from having teaching guidance explicitly stated throughout rather than in a separate teachers' book (which no-one ever reads), so teaching notes have been added where appropriate. === Task: Introducing the topic === Often teachers like to start any new topic with some variation of a "what do you know already" style task typically done with a time limit and then returned to and revised as knowledge develops over the course of study. These type of tasks take various forms from mindmaps to discussions and for those self-studying this can also be a good idea. * One way a diligent student may choose to structure their "What do you know already about WW1 task is around the "Who?" "What?" "Why" "How?" "When?" questions. * The wise student will go back to their initial mindmap and keep updating it throughout the course so it becomes an organic visual display of your increasing expertise in the topic '''Another pathway for introducing the topic: Teacher led discussion, make sure you give wait time between each question, then think, pair, share and gradually build up the shift from now to 1900''' * What makes a super power/great power? * Who are the great powers in the world now? * What is a military alliance? * What are the major alliances or unions of countries now? * Are there any major military alliances you know of? * Who do you think were the great powers in 1900? [[File:Flag-map of the world (1900).png|center|thumb|Flag map of 1900 to help you]] After students have discussed and you've fed back, introduce the overview. === Overviews === After doing the task above, you may wish to read the overview below and/or watch the overview video linked below and then redo/improve your answer to the task above. ==== 1900-1918: From Conquest to Catastrophe ==== At some point in the 1700s Europe began to diverge from the rest of the world in terms of economic might. This [[w:Great_Divergence|great divergence]] was hastened by the twin impacts of the French Revolution and the Industrial Revolution. These political and technological revolutions allowed Europe and her offshoots such as the United States of America, the ability to project military and economic might across the globe on a scale that had not been possible previously. By 1900 much of the world was ruled either indirectly or directly by the Great European Powers and their empires, European dominance was largely unrivaled. These empires which had been built at great benefit to Europe but often at terrible human cost to other parts of the world. These empires would be both a source of rivalry and tension in the build up to war and also an enormous source of manpower and resources for the conflict when it came. Beginning in the Balkans in Europe after the assassination of Austrian archduke Franz Ferdinand, WW1 led to the mobilization of more than 70 million military personnel. A conflict on an entirely new scale, that lasted from 1914-1918 the First World War led to an estimated 8.5 million combatant deaths and 13 million civilian deaths directly and millions more indirectly through flu, genocide and continued regional conflicts after its end. It was during WW1 that many of the tactics and strategies of modern warfare were born and WW1 led directly to the fall of three empires, Russia, Germany and Austro-Hungary and must be seen as the final nail in the coffin of a fourth, the Ottoman empire which ended in 1922. The ending carried within it the seeds of the even greater and more destructive conflict that would follow as well as the birth of communism, an ideology whose impact would play a key role in shaping much of the 20th Century. * [https://ed.ted.com/best_of_web/qsJaSVI2 Video: World War One in 6 minutes] '''Task: Source analysis of The Rhodes Colossus Cartoon''' * Analyze the source below look for features in the cartoon * What is the underlying message of the cartoon? [[File:Punch Rhodes Colossus.png|center|thumb|''The Rhodes Colossus'': Caricature of infamous British imperialist [[w:Cecil_Rhodes|Cecil Rhodes]], after he announced plans for a telegraph line and railroad from Cape Town to Cairo. Note the strident self-confidence displayed in this 1892 cartoon from Punch. ]] == Success criteria == As you work through the sections either with a teacher or on your own, as this is a specification specific textbook rather than a general textbook about WW1 it is often useful to keep the examination board success criteria in mind as you plan your answers both for written answers and discussion or debate activities. The following are adapted from the top band of the Paper 2 mark scheme and are useful as general success criteria. * Responses are clearly focused, showing a high degree of awareness of the demands and implications of the question. * Responses are well structured and effectively organized. * Knowledge of the world history topic is accurate and relevant. * Events are placed in their historical context * There is a clear understanding of historical concepts. * The examples that the student chooses to discuss are appropriate and relevant, and are used effectively to support the analysis/evaluation. * The response makes effective links and/or comparisons (as appropriate to the question). * The response contains clear and coherent critical analysis. * There is evaluation of different perspectives, and this evaluation is integrated effectively into the answer. * All, or nearly all, of the main points are substantiated * The response argues to a consistent conclusion. == Inquiry questions == These are some overarching questions to help structure your study of World War One. # How do wars between nation-states start? # To what extent did the long-term causes of the war make conflict likely by 1914? # How far were the short-term causes to blame for the outbreak of war in 1914? # To what extent should Germany be blamed for causing the First World War? # Why did trench warfare develop on the western front and what attempts were there to break the deadlock? # How far was World War One a world war? # To what extent did World War One change the world? #Why are historians still fighting WW1? == Key concepts == The IB guide expects students to be familiar with the six historical concepts as these interact with historical knowledge and historical skills to develop a nuanced and sophisticated understanding of the past. They are as follows: # Change # Continuity # Causation # Consequence # Significance # Perspectives Examples below will demonstrate how to use the key concepts to deepen understanding of the WW1 topic and will be '''in bold'''. The key concepts are also excellent ways of structuring your Internal Assessment research question when you come to that. == I. Causes of World War One == === Long-term causes === ==== Unification of Germany and the Franco-Prussian War of 1871 ==== The Franco-Prussian war of 1871 led to the defeat of France and the unification of Germany. While defeat in the Franco-Prussian War did led to the birth of revanchism (French for revenge-ism") in France towards Germany this is better seen as a background factor by 1914 rather than a direct cause of war. Particularly upsetting to the French was the territorial loss of Alsace and Lorraine although again that had largely faded as a direct cause of tension by 1914. Stronger links between the Franco-Prussian war and the outbreak of WW1 can be seen in two areas, the first being the creation of a very powerful Germany in the heart of Europe with a strong culture of nationalism and Prussian style militarism. The second was the influence Prussian victory had had on other countries and the resulting move towards larger armies based around the mobilizing of reservists. If you are using MAIN to help you remember the long term causes (and many people do) then this factor would go under either militarism or nationalism. ==== Militarism ==== The growth of militarism in Europe can be seen as a cause of war in three major ways, firstly the glorification of war as well as a feeling that war was inevitable meant that a military solution and an overly strong influence of serving military officers on political decision making was apparent particularly in Germany. Secondly and linked to this was an increasingly large amount of money being spent on the European militaries and generally an increase in the size of the armies which could be made much larger quickly by calling up reserve forces. Thirdly, the development of new military technology led to a naval arms race between Britain and Germany which further heightened tensions. ===== The naval arms race ===== Britain's global imperial power was backed by its navy and so when the German Navy Bill of 1900 was passed with a mandate to dramatically increase the size of the German navy, the British saw this as a potential threat to their empire and mastery of the oceans. The British in response launched their own shipbuilding program including the development of a new more powerful class of ship with the launching of the HMS Dreadnought, in 1906. The Dreadnought was a fearsome beast, heavily armoured and capable of striking from large distances and soon both Germany and Britain were rushing to produce them. [[File:EB1911 Ship, H.M.S. Dreadnought.jpg|center|thumb|HMS Dreadnought was both the name of a ship and a class of ships. It was the arms race between Britain and Germany that further increased tensions between the two. ]] ==== Alliance system ==== The development of two rival alliances with two distinct "sides" is often seen as an important linking factor that ensured a local war would grow rapidly to become a global one. By 1914, two different groupings of states had appeared based on a series of treaties and agreements starting with the Dual Alliance between Germany and Austria-Hungary in 1879: * The Triple Alliance: Austria, Germany and Italy * The Triple Entente: France, Russia and Britain While the alliances were intended to be defensive they did have the following two major "side effects": * The countries involved began to think in terms of two opposing sides with some key people beginning to think war was inevitable. * With France on one side and Russia on the other, Germany now had a potentially hostile power on each side increasing the feeling of encirclement. [[File:Alliance System Picture.png|thumb|This graphic shows the alliance system that developed in Europe. Look up these countries on a historical map to see why having Russia and France as potential enemies led Germany to feel encircled. |center]] [[File:Chain of Friendship cartoon.jpg|alt=Q. How does this cartoon illustrate how alliances can spread localized grievances between nation states to a more general war?|center|thumb|The original cartoon was published in the Brooklyn Daily Eagle, in 1912 (4th December) and by the title "A threatening situation". Discussion question: How does it show how alliances can grow a localized conflict between two states into a much larger war?]] ==== Links to external sites discussing alliances ==== * Video: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMMAL3v0lA0 Sal Khan on the alliance system before WW1] * Video: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYkFFOXJlW0 The Alliance system] ==== Imperial rivalries ==== While imperial rivalries undoubtedly contributed to increased tension between the Great Powers and other states, most notably over the Russo-Japanese war and the Moroccan Crises, and Africa and China were other sources of tension as well. Despite these, it is unlikely that imperial rivalries alone can explain the outbreak of World War One. One of the strongest arguments to show this, is that Britain's huge global empire brought her into conflict with both France in North Africa and Russia at the Indian frontier and yet Britain ended up allied with both powers during WW1. Another example of this is the imperial rivalry between Russia and Japan which had led to the Russo-Japanese war of 1904-1905 and yet both fought on the same side in World War One. That said, the Germany Kaiser's quest for a "place in the sun" namely more German colonies and particularly the building of a German fleet were undoubtedly unpopular in Britain and seen as a potential future threat to the British empire. ===== Task: Imperial Rivalries source analysis ===== [[File:China imperialism cartoon.jpg|thumb|Source analysis exercise: Using origin, purpose, value, limitations and content, analyse this source: How useful is it to a historian exploring how imperial rivalries could lead to tensions between states? ''Hint: You will need to click the source and then click more details to get all the information you will need to complete this task.''|center]] ==== Nationalism ==== Nationalism can be defined simply in a belief in the existence of the nation as a political unit. It can however in its extreme forms, be linked to political extremism. Nationalism undeniably played a key role leading up to World War I with Serbian nationalism in particular, playing a key role particularly with its connections to pan-slavic nationalism. It is connected to the outbreak of WW in two major ways: firstly in the Balkans, Serbs sought independence from Austria-Hungary and the Ottoman Empire, secondly Serbian nationalism was linked to the use of political violence to further their agenda. These two elements would combine in the assassination of the Archduke of Austria in 1914 by a Bosnian Serb, Gavrillo Princep, which would in turn trigger the start of the Great War. ==== Revision tasks: Long-term causes ==== # '''Website:''' John D Clare's Website is aimed at G9/10 students rather than G11/12 but it is still superbly clear and very useful as you begin the topic or if you find this textbook unclear. [https://www.johndclare.net/causes_WWI2.htm Go to this page] and see if there's any information about long term causes you would add to the mind map you began at the start of this textbook. ==== Revision questions: Long-term causes ==== # How important were long-term factors in causing the First World War? # How significant were the crises of the years 1905 to 1912 in creating tension in Europe? # What other developments created tension in Europe between 1900 to 1913? #Define Militarism #Define Nationalism #Define Alliances #Define Imperialism<br /> === Short-term causes === ==== Assassination of Franz Ferdinand ==== [[File:Franz Ferdinand & Sophie Leave Sarajevo Guildhall.jpg|center|thumb|Franz Ferdinand and his beloved wife Sophie leave the Sarajevo Guildhall. They would be killed shortly after this was taken.]] '''Video:''' [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIK9Lkf02TE Did a wrong turn start WW1?] '''Video:''' [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfO7TduevHA How the assassination of Franz Ferdinand unfolded]. ==== The July Days/Crisis ==== ==== The Blank Cheque ==== ==== The Ultimatum ==== ==== Mobilization ==== === Economic causes === While economic causes have been stated as a cause of WW1, and in particular conflict over markets and trade, there is little strong evidence that economic factors played more than a contributing role to the outbreak WW1, that said this opinion is disputed by some and another point of view are included below. While it is undoubtedly the case that all the Great Powers and other leading nations did see massive industrial growth during the 19th century particularly with regards to manufacturing, and there were certainly elements of rivalry such as the newly unified Germany beginning to surpass Britain in certain areas, it is harder to make the necessary link between these and the short term causes such as the assassination of Franz Ferdinand, that led to war. Elements of rivalry that did exist were tied to imperialism and competition for access to raw materials and the ability to sell goods overseas. While it is true many countries had introduced customs duties to protect their industries from foreign competition, the economic superpower Britain had remained a free trade nation and other than having the economic might to build and equip huge armies, connecting economic causes directly to the outbreak of war is not easy to do. ==== Alternative point of view: Economic causes of war from a Marxist perspective ==== In this point of view WW1 was caused by the capitalist economic forces underpinning imperialism leading inevitably to conflict between rival powers. This argument is based on the idea that imperialism as the highest stage of capitalism would inevitably lead to financial monopolies as companies looked for ever increasing profits through the acquisition of new markets, extracting raw materials and exploiting cheap labour from the rest of the world.  This would in turn lead to imperial competition and these imperial rivalries would inevitably lead to war.  From this perspective World War One should be seen as a ‘capitalist imperialist war’. While simplified for this textbook, this is broadly the line of argument that [[w:Vladimir_Lenin|Lenin]] would use. ==== Historiography: Historian Hew Strachan on the Marxist perspective ==== ''“Even if economic factors are helpful in explaining the long-range causes, it is hard to see how they fit into the precise mechanics of the July crisis itself. Commercial circles in July were appalled at the prospect of war and anticipated the collapse of credit; Bethman Hollweg, the Tsar, and Gray envisaged economic dislocation and social collapse.”''<ref>H. Strachan. ''The Outbreak of the First World War.'' 2004 pg 126, Oxford, ISBN-13: 978-0199257263</ref> ===== Economic causes: Reflection questions ===== # Why is it hard to make a direct link between economic causes and the outbreak of war in 1914? #How might a marxist perspective argue economic causes led to war in Europe in 1914? #According to Strachan what type of causes of WW1 can economic factors not explain? # What reasoning does he use to support this conclusion?<br /> === Ideological causes === === Political causes === === Territorial causes === === Other causes === ==== Military planning ==== ===== The Von Schlieffen Plan ===== [[File:Schlieffen Plan de 1905.svg|center|thumb|The Von Schlieffen Plan, in essence an elaborate flanking manoeuvre aimed at knocking the French out of the war early before Russia could mobilize. The "hook" through Belgium would bring the British into the war thus ensuring a prolonged conflict.]] ===== Plan XVII/Plan 17 ===== ==== Kaiser Wilhelm's personality and actions ==== === Historiography === ==== Perspectives: Why are historians still fighting WW1? ==== The historiography and the arguments surrounding the causes of WW1 began almost as soon as the war began and continue to this day. This section will give a brief overview of some of the major schools of thought and for those interested in pursuing this topic further there are some links to external sites. ==== Links to external sites discussing the causes of WW1 ==== * [https://encyclopedia.1914-1918-online.net/article/the_historiography_of_the_origins_of_the_first_world_war The Historiography of the Origins of the First World War] * [https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26048324 10 interpretations of who started WW1] ==== Revision tasks: Historiography ==== # Read the 10 interpretations from the BBC of who started WW1 # Which one do you agree with the most? Explain your reasoning # Which one do you agree with the least? Explain your reasoning # Create your own short answer to the question of "Who was most to blame for the start of WW1?" in the same style as the examples. === Causes of WW1 Review Tasks === * '''Key concept Causation:''' Watch the [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3wHpw7V2gw&t=1s Alphonse the Camel Video]. Which causes and individuals were most to blame for Alphonse's death? How did the causes combine? Where did responsibility lie? * Now apply the same reasoning to your knowledge of the causes of WW1 and answer this exam style question: To what extent was Austria-Hungary to blame for the outbreak of war in Europe in 1914? === Causes of WW1 Review Questions === These questions can be used in a variety of ways, as quick retrieval practice tasks or even for discussion tasks. If you are planning to use them for retrieval practice make sure you don't look at the answers until you've thought hard about them yourself, even better to have someone ask you the questions and then they can give you feedback on the answers. # How did global imperialism contribute to tensions in Europe by 1914? # How far was nationalism the cause of war? #What were the aims of Kaiser Wilhelm II’s 1890 Weltpolitik policy? # What was the Schlieffen Plan? What were its aims? # What was HMS Dreadnought and why was it significant as a cause of WW1? # How did the Schlieffen Plan play a role in bringing Britain into the war? # In what ways did the existence of military plans before 1914 contribute to the likelihood of war? # Give some examples of militarism in Europe prior to 1914 # Why did the naval arms race create tension between Britain and Germany? # Why was the Austro-Hungarian empire vulnerable to nationalism? # Why has Kaiser Wilhelm's personality been seen as a cause of war? # How did the rise in Balkan nationalism contribute to causing the war? # In your opinion, how significant were a) economic b) ideological c) territorial factors in causing the First World War? # How important were political reasons in causing the First World War? # Why did disputes over Morocco increase European tension? # What are historians' views on the causes of the First World War? # Did the Alliance System make war more likely or less likely? # How far did colonial problems create tensions between the Great Powers? Give at least one example # Why were there problems in the Balkans prior to 1914? # How did the Alliance System lead to a limited local war in the Balkans expanding into a world war very quickly? Give some examples = Summary of '''The Causes of World War I''' = < [[IB]]‎ | [[IB/Group 3|Group 3]]‎ | [[IB/Group 3/History|History]]‎ | [[IB/Group 3/History/Route 2|Route 2]]‎ | [[IB/Group 3/History/Route 2/Causes, Practices, and Effects of Wars|Causes, Practices, and Effects of Wars]]‎ | [[IB/Group 3/History/Route 2/Causes, Practices, and Effects of Wars/The Causes of World War I|The Causes of World War I]] == Franco-Prussian War (1870−1871) == * The Prussians hoped to consolidate the smaller states into a new German state; creating a dominant new power head within Europe (as threat to Austria). * The Prussian Army humiliated France in these Franco-Prussian wars. This was as a result of the effective modern '''technology''' such as railways. * France lost the territory of '''Alsace-Lorraine''' and had to pay an '''indemnity''' of 5,000 million marks. * '''Germany was a new power''' of Europe and France suffered from '''political and socio-economic problems''' following their defeat. [[IB History/Route 2/Causes, Practices, and Effects of Wars/The Results of World War I#The%20terms%20of%20the%20Treaty%20of%20Versailles|This spurred later revenge]]. == Characteristics of Great European Powers c. 1900 == === Germany === * Germany was a democratic monarchy that had a German parliament, The Reichstag, that held limited powers. * After the Franco-Prussian War, it was the strongest industrial power in Europe, overtaking Britain. * Suffered from socio-economic problems from the large working class as a result of rapid industrialisation. * Germany wanted to pursue imperialism and wanted to develop its empire into an overseas empire (colonies in Africa). * One country stood in its way, Britain. === France === * France was a democratic republic with extensive civil liberties. * Agriculturally based with most civilians living in rural areas. * Wealthy, and had a large empire. * Economically unstable as a result of the "swinging economy" before "pacifist" left and "revanchist" right wing parties. * Wanted Alsace-Lorraine back from Germany. === Britain === * Established parliamentary democracy; monarchy retained limited powers. * Built a vast overseas empire as a result of early industrial revolution - the most powerful international trade of the 19th century. * The turn of the century meant that the USA and Germany had overtaken in industrial production strength. * Followed a policy of "Splendid Isolation" in order to circumvent conflicts with other nations. * Its great navy meant Britain could not attack, only defend and its Navy was the source of its strength. === Austria-Hungary === * A dual monarchy that had two heavily bureaucratic and inefficient parliaments. * Lacked military strength and felt national liberation from states within its empire as a consequence of the growing nationalist forces and ambitions rising within Europe. * The Slavic people strived fro independence from the Ottomans and wished to unite with the Habsburg Empire. * "A multi-national European empire within the age of nationalism." * Russia was the great defender of the Slavic people. === Russia === * An autocratic divine monarchy with the Tsar being perceived as having been appointed by God. * Heavily bureaucratic and ineffective government with rapid (and outdated) industrialisation and large work force classed as peasants. * Russian revolution of 1905 after the disastrous war against Japan. Nothing improved, Russian people were unhappy at the turn of the century. * Wanted Slavic nationalism in the Balkans to establish its own influence and wanted to prevent Austria-Hungary expansion. === Turkey === * Turkey was the 'sick man of Europe' whose regime was corrupt and ineffective. * Many revolts by nationalist and Islamic groups could not be contained and its weakness was exploited for commercial interest by other European powers. * The Sultan was overthrown in 1909 by the "Young Turks" a group who wished to modernise Turkey. * Many European Powers saw the slow decay of the Ottoman empire a threat as a result of the "power vacuum" that would occur. * Emphasis on modernising and promotion of self-government was to occur. Austria-Hungary did not like this. == Long-term causes of World War I == === Bismarck's web of alliances === * After its economic, military, and imperial potential, many powers in Europe began to feel nervous. * Germany had to consolidate its new position in Europe, and Germany's chancellor '''Otto von Bismarck''' wanted to create a web of alliances to protect Germany from future attack. * The ''Three Emperors' League (1887)'' or ''Dreikaiserbund'' joined Germany, Russia, and Austria-Hungary. * The ''Dual Alliance (1879)'' helped fix the collapsed Dreikaiserbund after Russia came into conflict in the Balkans with Austria-Hungary. * The ''Three Emperors' Alliance (1881)'' renewed the Dreikaiserbund with Russia. * The ''Triple Alliance (1882)'' allied Germany with Austria-Hungary and Italy. * The ''Reinsurance Treaty (1887)'', much like the Dual Alliance, served to piece together problems after problems in the Balkans in 1885. === The New Course and Weltpolitik === * The young and ambitious new '''Kaiser Wilhelm II''' and new chancellor '''Leo von Caprivi''' took German foreign policy on a 'new course' that would destroy Bismarck's web of alliances. * German policy makers from the mid 1890s began to look beyond Europe in the hope to make Germany a colonial power with an overseas empire and navy. * Such policies would divert German population away from social and political problems at home. === Imperialism === * One of the major causes of tension between the European powers in 1880–1905 was colonial rivalries. * The effort of building their empires was initially driven by economic motives (cheap raw materials, new markets, low-cost labour). * Over time, however, it became a mixture of Social Darwinism. === The emergence of the Alliance System === * Weltpolitik brought Germany in to trouble and '''Admiral von Tripitz''', Secretary of State for the Navy shared the Kaiser's beliefs. * '''von Tripitz''' thought Germany should mount a naval challenge to Britain, and pushed the Naval Law through the Reichstag. * Britain's position of ''Splendid Isolation'' was no longer appropriate or useful, and sought security through Alliances as a result of its threat to its naval supremacy. * After Russia, France, and Britain were joined together in the ''Triple Entente'', Germany was 'encircled'. * Europe was now divided into two main alliance systems; the ''Triple Entente'' and the ''Triple Alliance''. === The naval race === * Britain's threat lead to the launch of a super-battleship known as the HMS Dreadnought. * The irony of its creation was that it nullified Britain's historical naval advantage as it made all other British battleships obsolete. * Competitors began constructing similar ships and this triggered a 'naval scare' in the winter of 1908–09. * The naval race changed the mood in Britain, and as '''Normal Lowe''' observes, ''Britain's willingness to go to war in 1914 owed a lot to the tensions generated by the naval race''. === The situation in the Balkans === * The Balkans was a very unstable area that contributed to the tension in Europe before 1914. * Turkey, once ruler of the entire Balkans, was now impotent, and many Serbs, Greeks, and Bulgars had already revolted and set up independent states. * The Austrians lost grip of their multi-ethnic empire, and Slavs within the country wanted to break away. Serbia was thus seen as a threat to Austria-Hungary. * Russia saw itself as the champion of the Slav people and wanted the straits of Constantinople to be kept open for ships to move from the Mediterranean to the Black Sea. * A tariff war began in 1905–06 that dragged France in for financial support. The new Russophile King Peter believed an aggressive foreign policy would demonstrate that Austria still had power. == Short-term causes: the crisis years (1905-13) == === The First Moroccan (Tangier) Crisis (1905) === * Germany was worried by the new relationship between Britain and France and set to break it. * As part of the entente, Britain supported a French takeover of Morocco in return for France recognising British Egypt. * Germany had not gained notable concessions in North Africa, which was a failure for Weltpolitik and a blow for German pride. * Germany had not undermined the Entente Cordiale - they had strengthened it. * Several states had considered war as a possible outcome of the crisis, thus signalling an end to the relatively long period of peaceful relations in Europe. * ''Germany was now seen as the key threat to British interests''. === The Bosnian Crisis (1908) === * Following the Tangier Crisis, the Anglo-Russian Entente of 1907 was signed which confirmed conspiracy of 'encirclement' around Germany. * This fear force Germany and Austria-Hungary into a closer relationship. * An internal crisis in the Ottoman Empire led Austria-Hungary to annex two provinces of Bosnia, which outrage in Serbia, that caused Germany to stand 'shoulder to shoulder' with its Ally, and recognise the annexation. * Russia, which had supported Serbia, suffered another international humiliation following its defeat from Japan. This meant that Russia was unlikely to back down from another crisis, in order to retain political stability and international influence. * Russia began rearming. * The alliance between Germany and Austria-Hungary appeared stronger than commitments of the Triple Entente. * Germany had opted to encourage Austro-Hungarian expansion. === The Second Moroccan (Agadir) Crisis (1911) === * Germany misinterpreted a French move in suppressing a revolt that had broken out in Morocco as a takeover; hence making ambitious and assertive claims that was popular back in Germany. * Germany's 'gunboat diplomacy' was seen as a threat of war by Britain, and '''David Lloyd George''' gave a speech (the ''Mansion House Speech'') to warn Germany off. * Germany received two strips of the French Congo and increase the tension and hostility between Germany and Britain. * German public opinion was hostile to the settlement and critical of their government's handling of the crisis; ''a failure of Weltpolitik''. * The entente between Britain and France was again strengthened. === The First Balkan War (1912) === * The Balkan League, forced by the Russians and consisting of Serbia, Greece, and Montenegro, sought to force Turkey from the Balkans by dividing Macedonia. * Turkey was already weak as a result of the war between Italy over Totalitarian. * Austria could not accept a stronger Serbia, and Russia would support its ally. * The nervous '''Sir Edward Grey''', British Foreign Secretary, managed to execute the Balkan Leagues goal and contain Austria-Hungary. * This agreement, however, still caused resentment. === The Second Balkan War (1913) === * Due to the spoils of the First Balkan War, a second war broke out in July 1913. * The Bulgarians felt as though there were to many Bulgarians living in Serbia and Greece, and thus attacked. * Serbia was again successful. This fact encouraged the already strong nationalist feeling within Serbia. * Serbia had doubled in size as a result of the two Balkan wars. * Serbia had proved itself militarily, and had an army of 200,000 men. * Serbia's victories were diplomatic success for Russia, and encouraged Russia to stand by its ally. * Austria-Hungary was now convinced that it needed to crush Serbia. * By association, the outcome of the two wars was a diplomatic defeat for Germany, which now drew ever closer to Austria-Hungary. === The international situation by 1913 === * The crises of 1905-13 had seen a marked deterioration in international relations. * Each crisis had passed without a major European war, nevertheless increased tension between the two alliance blocs in Europe and also created greater instability in the Balkans. * War was by no means inevitable at this stage, however. == Other developments, 1900-13 == === The will to make war === * Literature, the press, and education portrayed war as short and heroic. * Nationalism had become aggressive in major states, and this trend was encouraged by popular press, which exaggerated international incidents. * '''James Joll''' indicated that "''the reactions of ordinary people in the crisis of 1914 were the result of the history they had learnt at school''". === The arms race and militarism === * Between 1870 and 1914, military spending by European powers increased by 300 percent. * Although some attempts were made to stop arms build-up, for instance, the '''conference of The Hague in 1899 and 1907'''. * However, '''no limits''' on production or war practices were agreed upon. === War plans === * Every European power made detailed plans regarding what to do should war break out. * Reading: [https://www.open.edu/openlearn/history-the-arts/history/world-history/the-schlieffen-plan The Von Schlieffen Plan from the Open University] == The immediate causes of the war: July Crisis (1914) == * There was optimism that should another conflict in the Balkans erupt, it would be contained locally. * Archduke Franz Ferdinand, symbol of the Austria-Hungarian regime, was assassinated on the 28th of June 1914, by Gavrilo Princip, part of the Black Hand movement. * Germany came to Austria-Hungary's assistance, and issued a ''blank cheque'' on the 5th of July 1914, that guaranteed unconditional support. * Austria-Hungary took the opportunity to impose a severe ultimatum on Serbia a month later; hence seeming calculated. * Serbia accepted all but one term of the harsh ultimatum, however, Austria-Hungary claimed it was too late and declared war on Serbia. * Russia ordered a general mobilisation (for intimidation and preparation) on the 30th of July; causing Germany to declare war on Russia, and France (upon demands for neutrality that were rejected). * Germany passed through Belgium to attack France, Britain upheld the 1839 treaty with Belgium and declared war on Germany. == What was the contribution of each of the European Powers during the July Crisis to the outbreak of war? == === Germany === * The Kaiser had encouraged the Austro-Hungarians to seize the opportunity to attack Serbia on the 5th of July with the Blank Cheque. * Russia's military modernisations were increasing the country's potential for mobilisation, and this would undermine the Schlieffen Plan. * German generals, such as '''von Moltke''' believed that it was a favourable time for war. * War would provide a good distraction, and unifying effect, to overcome rising domestic problems in Germany. * War would improve the popularity of the Kaiser. * '''John Lowe''' observed that Russia did not want a major war, and its mobilisation was a sign for preparation rather than the declaration that Germany had misinterpreted. === Austria-Hungary === * Austria-Hungary exaggerated the potential threat of Serbia and saw the assassination as an opportunity to 'eliminate Serbia as a potential factor in the Balkans'. * It delayed its response to Serbia, and added tension to the July Crisis. * ''It was the first to declare war'' on Serbia on the 28th of July. * It refused to halt its military actions though negotiations with Russia were scheduled for the 30th of July. === Russia === * Russia wanted to prove itself after its defeat in the Russo-Japanese War of 1905, it acted as an ally to support Serbia; thus not restrain Serb nationalism. * Its mobilisation triggered a general European war. === France === * France was not just brought into war. It actually supported Russia, and hoped to defeat Germany due to the Franco-Prussian war. === Britain === * '''Luigi Albertini''' argues that Britain should have never made it clear it would stand 'shoulder to shoulder' with the French which may have deterred the Schlieffen Plan. * Britain should have made its position clear during the July Crisis. * '''John Lowe''' points out that Britain's talks with Russia in 1914 confirmed Germany's suspicion of a "ring of encirclement". == Historiography == * The German Foreign Office was already preparing documents from their archives attempting to prove that all belligerents states were to blame. * Other governments felt the same urge and produced their own volumes of archives. * '''Lloyd George, writing in his memoirs in the 1930s, explained that "the nations slithered over the bring into the boiling cauldron of war."''' * '''S. B. Fay''' and '''H. E. Barnes''' were two American historians who supported the revisions arguments put forward by Germany regarding the causes of World War I. * '''Luigi Albertini''' wrote a thorough and coherent response to the revisions arguments in the 1940s and put forward Austria-Hungary and Germany as responsible for war in the immediate term. === Fritz Fischer === * Fischer's argument focused the responsibility on Germany. * He discovered the '''September Programme''' written by '''German Chancellor Bethmann-Hollweg''', dated 9th of September 1914, which described Germany's aims for dominating Europe. * He also indicated that the War Council of 1912 proved that Germany planned to launch a continent war in 1914, where ''von Moltke'' had indicated "war is inevitable and sooner the better." * Fischer's argument is ''persuasive'' as he links longer-term policies from 1897 to short- and immediate-term actions in the July Crisis. * However, Fischer's arguments have been criticised as a result of his limited evidence of the December War Council. * Furthermore, it can be argued that German policy lacked coherency in the decade before 1914. === After Fischer === * Conservative German Historian '''Gerhard Ritter''' rejected Fischer's view in the 1960s. * '''Immanuel Geiss''' Defended Fischer by publishing his own book of German documents undermining the revisionist arguments in the 1920s. * '''Ruth Henig''' indicated that German desire to profit diplomatically and militarily from the crisis widened its containment from an Eastern Europe one to a continental and war. === John Keegan === * War was ''not'' inevitable despite the long- and short-term tension in Europe. * The key to Keegan's theory is the ''lack of communication'' during the July Crisis. * He indicates that Austria-Hungary wanted to punish Serbia, but lacked the courage to act alone, and this was not communicated. * Also, Germany had wanted diplomatic success that would leave Austria-Hungary a stronger ally. Germany, also, did not want a full European war. * Russia only wanted to support Serbia * France did not mobilise and was worried about Germany * Britain only awoke to the dangers of the July Crisis on the 25th of July, and hoped Russia could tolerate Serbia's punishments. * The Serbs had been forgotten after the incompatible nations began to break the tangled web of alliances. === James Joll === * Joll suggests an atmosphere of intense tension was created by impersonal forces in the long- and short-terms with the personal decisions made in the July Crisis that led to war. * Personal expansionist aims versus capitalism. * Various war plans as developed by governments versus international anarchy. * Calculated decisions versus alliances. === Niall Ferguson === * Ferguson suggests that Germany was moving away from militaristic tenancies prior to World War I. * He argues that German Social Democrat Party was on a rise and that influenced the Kaiser's regime. * Britain had misinterpreted German ambitious and decided to act on impede German expansionism. * War was not inevitable in 1913, despite militarism, imperialism, and secret diplomacy. == II. Practices of World War One and their impact on the outcome == === Types of war: World War One as a Total War === === Land warfare- the Western Front === ==== Failure of the Von Schlieffen Plan ==== As you read above, the Von Schlieffen plan was bold and ambitious and despite initial success, it also soon ran into trouble. Intended to knock the French out of the war quickly, the German advance through Belgium triggered British involvement in the war ostensibly to protect Belgian neutrality. It seems likely however that for the British there were other motives in getting involved, specifically a German victory in the west would have been too threatening to British imperial interests. The German advance was slowed by fierce resistance in Belgium and by sheer exhaustion as once troops left railway lines they were able to move no faster than Julius Caesar's legions in their conquest of Gaul. With German supply lines stretched and the professional soldiers of the British Expeditionary Force (BEF) able to delay further German troops at the Battles of Mons on 23 August, the Schlieffen plan's aim of a quick knock out blow of the French was now looking less and less likely. The plan's final failure came as the German army's advance was halted and then reversed by the combined French and British counterattack along the Marne River in early September. '''Video:''' [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9WsVIT0AD0 The Failure of the Von Schlieffen Plan] ==== Race To the Sea ==== After the Battle of the Marne, both sides began to dig trenches to provide shelter for their troops. After attempts to break through the German lines failed both sides rushed to outflank each other and in particular gain control of the channel ports. This "race to the sea" ended in stalemate with more permanent trenches being dug to protect troops from artillery. These networks of trenches would dominate the war on the Western Front. '''Video:''' [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUo4np2vmq0&t=3s Belgian resistance and the race to the Sea] ==== Trench Warfare/Deadlock on the Western Front ==== [[File:Cheshire Regiment trench Somme 1916.jpg|center|thumb|A German trench occupied by British Soldiers near the Albert-Bapaume road at Ovillers-la-Boisselle, July 1916 during the Battle of the Somme. The men are from A Company, 11th Battalion, The Cheshire Regiment.]] [[w:Trench_warfare|Trench warfare]] developed very quickly on the western front and soon the war of manoeuvre had become a grinding war of attrition. Huge complexes of trenches soon stretched over western Europe from 1914–1918 as both sides constructed elaborate trench networks, underground tunnels, and elaborate dugout systems facing the enemy. The trenches were typically protected from assault by barbed wire which slowed the advance of attacking forces and left them vulnerable to machine gun fire. The area between opposing trench lines (known as "no man's land") was fully exposed to artillery fire from both sides. Attacks, even if successful, often sustained severe casualties. The deadlock would not be broken until more advanced technology and tactics such as the use of combined arms were developed throughout the war. '''Website:''' The [https://www.iwm.org.uk/learning/resources/fighting-in-the-trenches Imperial War Museum has lots of super resources and artefacts on Trench Warfare here.] ==== Task: Trench Warfare ==== * Examine the [https://www.iwm.org.uk/history/10-photos-of-life-in-the-trenches 10 photographs from the Imperial War Museum of trench life in WW1] , then create a [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nX-xshA_0m8 Cornell notes] on Trench Warfare. Once you've finished go back to the photographs and see if you've missed any details, then add those details in. Make sure you use your own knowledge and not just what's in the photographs. Now add questions that you may still have to the section on the left of your paper. Lastly complete a summary. ==== Historiography: Historian Hew Strachan on Trench warfare ==== ''“Trenches created health problems but they saved lives. To speak of the horror of the trenches is to substitute hyperbole for common sense: the war would have been far more horrific if there had been no trenches. They protected flesh and blood from the worst effects of the firepower revolution of the late nineteenth century….The dangers rose when men left the embrace of the trenches to go over the top, and when war was fluid and mobile.”<ref>Strachan, Hew. The First World War (pp. 171-172). Simon & Schuster UK. Kindle Edition.</ref>'' # What does Professor Strachan argue about trenches? # Is his view a positive or a negative one about trenches, explain your reasoning ===== Video: Historian Dan Snow on trench warfare ===== # Watch these two videos from Dan Snow, [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqIhpYlhZKQ&t=1s video A] and [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvYIIuxh2kY video B], # Which aspects of the videos support Professor Strachan's points about trench warfare ultimately saving lives? ==== The Battle of the Somme ==== ===== Historiography: Historian Gary Sheffield on the first day of the Somme ===== ''"The British artillery were set three main tasks: cutting the barbed wire in front of the German positions with shrapnel; the destruction of German trenches; and counter-battery work, that is destroying or at least neutralizing the German artillery. The watching infantry were impressed by the power of the bombardment. ……..On much of the front, however, the bombardment was visually impressive but was ultimately unsuccessful. Banks of barbed wire remained uncut; German trenches, although battered, still contained determined groups of defenders; and sufficient German artillery survived the counter-battery work to inflict dreadful casualties on the attackers."''<ref>Sheffield, Gary. The Somme: A New History (CASSELL MILITARY PAPERBACKS) . Orion. Kindle Edition.</ref> # What were the British intending to do? # What had not gone according to plan for the British? ===== Historiography/ Perspectives: Were lions led by Donkeys during WW1? ===== A bit part of IB History is challenging and critiquing multiple perspectives of the past, and to compare them and corroborate them with historical evidence. While it is the case that for every event recorded in the past, there are invariably multiple contrasting or differing perspectives one of the most interesting examples of this in the context of WW1 is the [[w:Lions_led_by_donkeys|Lions led by Donkeys]] question which is the popular idea that the Lions, the ordinary soldiers were led to their deaths by the Donkeys, the generals of WW1. This gives rise to many different inquiry questions around the theme of "Were Lions led by Donkeys in WW1?" Some different perspectives and tasks are below: ====== Perspective 1: The Blackadder/Popular culture idea -Lions were led by Donkeys ====== * Task: Watch this [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fVNtHQ1tTQ famous clip from comedy series Blackadder]. Analyze how it portrays Fieldmarshall Haig and by extension the other generals of the war * Task: Read [http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/worldwars/wwone/lions_donkeys_01.shtml this alternative view on the WW1 Generals from a professional Historian]. How does it contrast with the popular view? * Task: Now explore the issue further and generate your own view (this is also a great intro for a debate style task) [https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/education/greatwar/g4/ sources and worksheets from the national archives are here] and there's more [https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/education/greatwar/g1/cs1/g1cs1s6.htm here including an extract from the alternative view above.] ==== Operation Michael ==== [[File:German stormtrooper (35390395301).png|center|thumb|Colorized WW1 German stormtrooper]] ===== Historiography: Historian Nigel Jones on German Tactics during Operation Michael ===== ''“The stormtroopers were trained to move in small groups across the battlefield, probing for the enemy’s weakest points like a surgeon’s knife. Any strongpoints were avoided; the stormers merely skirted them and pushed onwards, leaving the essential but unglamorous mopping up to the humble infantry trailing in their wake. The stormers sped gloriously ahead, moving fastest and furthest, set apart from their former comrades even in the hottest moments of action. This conscious separation only served to further heighten the stormers’ sense of being a chosen order destined to conquer and rule. The German armies, with their stormtroop vanguard, accomplished much in the series of great offensives launched by Ludendorff. The first, codenamed ‘Michael’, on 21 March, put the British Fifth Army to inglorious flight, bit out a great chunk of territory and almost succeeded in severing the British from the French. The second blow, Operation ‘Georgette’, struck the following month over the blasted old battlegrounds of Flanders and drove the British back to within sight of the Channel. A third offensive – ‘Blücher’ – let loose at the end of May, utterly broke the Franco-British forces along the Aisne, and brought the Germans, as in 1914, back to the banks of the Marne and within artillery range of Paris.”''<ref>Jones, Nigel. Hitler's Heralds: The story of the Freikorps 1918-1923 (pp. 22-23). Lume Books. Kindle Edition.</ref> # What new tactics did the German Army develop for Operation Michael? # What evidence is there that these new tactics were successful (at least initially)? ==== The 100 days ==== The 100 days was the Entente counterattack after Operation Michael/The Ludendorff offensive. The Ludendorff offensive had left the German military exhausted and exposed and beginning with skillful use of surprise and combined arms at the 1918 Battle of Amiens, the Entente counterattack was savage, relentless and ultimately broke the back of the German army. You can read more about combined arms and technological developments below. '''Video:''' [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niWf6C-aKFw The Battle of Amiens from the BBC] ===== Historiography: Historian Nick Lloyd on British tactics at the Battle of Amiens 1918 ===== ''“8 August would be one of the most remarkable days of the war. Although the position of all units was not known, the Allied assault had driven between six and eight miles into the German lines, shattering Second Army and unhinging the flank of Eighteenth Army on its left. German casualties had been staggering. The official history estimated that they were as high as 48,000 men, including 33,000 missing or taken prisoner. Four hundred guns had been lost as well as hundreds of machine-guns and trench mortars. For the battalions in the front line, often only small groups of survivors remained. 41st Division, which had faced the Australians opposite Villers-Bretonneux, was almost wiped out. It had lost all but three of its guns, and little remained of its front and supporting battalions. Equally unnerving was the sight of the survivors from the opening attack. Numerous front-line battalions had been reduced to the size of companies. All that remained were clusters of shell-shocked men; their will utterly broken; their faces grimy; their eyes glassy, staring straight ahead. Their stories were always the same: horrifying accounts of iron monsters clanking out of the mist towards them; of mass infantry attacks; of being cut off and surrounded; of waiting for counter-attacks that never came. Some did not – or perhaps could not – say anything at all. Ludendorff’s worst nightmare was, it seemed, coming true.”''<ref>Lloyd, Nick. Hundred Days (p. 81). Penguin Books Ltd. Kindle Edition.</ref> # Explain why the 8th August 1918 was such a bad day for the German army? # What evidence is there from the passage above that by 1918 warfare on the Western front was no longer static? ==== Technological developments ==== ===== '''Historiography: Historian John Bourne on technological developments on the Western Front from 1914-1918''' ===== ''“In 1914 the British soldier went to war dressed like a gamekeeper in a soft cap, armed only with rifle and bayonet. In 1918 he went into battle dressed like an industrial worker in a steel helmet, protected by a respirator against poison gas, armed with automatic weapons and mortars, supported by tanks and ground aircraft and preceded by a creeping artillery barrage of crushing intensity. Firepower replaced manpower as the instrument of victory. This represented a revolution in the conduct of war.'”''<ref>J. Bourne in Charles Townshend (ed.), ''The Oxford history of Modern War'' (OUP) 2005</ref> # What had changed since 1914 for the infantry soldier? # How were the infantry used in combination with other parts of the military (combined arms)? ===== Historiography: Historian Gary Sheffield on technological developments on the Western Front from 1914-1918 ===== ''"The problem was that in 1914 tactics had yet to catch up with the range and effectiveness of modern artillery and machine guns. Warfare still looked back to the age of Napoleon. By 1918, much had changed. At the Battle of Amiens on 8 August 1918, the BEF put into practice the lessons learned, so painfully and at such a heavy cost, over the previous four years. In a surprise attack, massed artillery opened up in a brief but devastating bombardment, targeting German gun batteries and other key positions. The accuracy of the shelling, and the fact that the guns had not had to give the game away by firing some preliminary shots to test the range, was testimony to the startling advances in technique which had turned gunnery from a rule of thumb affair into a highly scientific business. Then, behind a 'creeping barrage' of shells, perfected since its introduction in late 1915, British, French, Canadian and Australian infantry advanced in support of 552 tanks. The tank was a British invention which had made its debut on the Somme in September 1916. Overhead flew the aeroplanes of the Royal Air Force, created in April 1918 from the old Royal Flying Corps and Royal Naval Air Service. The aeroplane had come a long way from its 1914 incarnation as an extremely primitive assemblage of struts and canvas, its task confined to reconnaissance.''"<ref>''G. Sheffield. The Western Front: Lions Led by Donkeys? BBC History'' http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/worldwars/wwone/lions_donkeys_01.shtml ''Last updated 2011-03-10''</ref> # Why was there a mismatch between military tactics and modern technology in 1914? # What could British artillery do by 1918? # What was a "creeping barrage"? # From the extract what examples of "combined arms" can you find? [[File:British Mark I male tank Somme 25 September 1916 large.jpg|center|thumb|It was at the Somme that tanks began to first be used. They would play an increasingly important if never crucial role as the British developed combined arms techniques to break the deadlock on the Western front.]] '''Video:''' [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezBSURCMe-o&t=1s Development of tanks in WW1 from the BBC] === Land warfare-the Eastern Front === ==== Battle of Tannenberg ==== ==== Brusilov Offensive ==== === Naval warfare: Technological Developments === ==== The Battle of Jutland ==== ==== Development of Q Ships ==== ==== Unrestricted Submarine Warfare ==== ===== Historiography: Historian Hew Strachan on the German decision to engage in unrestricted submarine warfare ===== “Scheer was not prepared to accept such passivity, and after Jutland his assertion that the submarine was the most obvious weapon with which to strike Britain gained in stridency. He now had powerful support from the army. Falkenhayn had proposed a U-boat campaign against Britain to accompany his attack on France at Verdun, and when Hindenburg and Ludendorff replaced him they, too, accepted that economic warfare, not direct confrontation on the battlefields of France and Flanders, was the way to tackle Britain.”<ref>Strachan, Hew. The First World War (p. 226). Simon & Schuster UK. Kindle Edition. </ref> # How did the Battle of Jutland change the German naval strategy? # What was the ultimate aim of this new strategy? ==== The Sinking of the Lusitania ==== [[File:19150508 Lusitania Sunk By a Submarine - The New York Times.png|center|thumb|The New York Times on the sinking.]] In May 1915 the ship ''[[w:Sinking_of_the_RMS_Lusitania|Lusitania]]'' was returning from New York to Liverpool with 128 US citizens on board when she was sunk by a German U-Boat without warning. The Germans felt fully justified in this as she was carrying munitions to help the British war effort. While this sinking did not lead directly to American entry into the war on the Entente side, it certainly did play a role in turning American public opinion against the Germans. '''Website:''' [https://www.loc.gov/collections/world-war-i-rotogravures/articles-and-essays/the-lusitania-disaster/ The US Library of Congress has a host of Lusitania resources here.] ==== Convoy system ==== The Royal Navy developed [[w:Convoys_in_World_War_I|convoy tactics]] in 1917 in order to see off the U-Boat threat after the Germans began their campaign of unrestricted submarine warfare. It worked by providing escort vessels for groups of ships. The escorts dropped depth charges in areas where German 'U-boats' were known to operate and engaged U-Boats when they surfaced to fire as at this point technology had not developed enough for U-Boats to fire at shipping while under water. [[File:Convoy Your Country to Victory - National Savings Group Art.IWMPST15634.jpg|center|thumb]] ===== Historiography: Historian Alexander Watson on convoy tactics ===== ''“Nonetheless, if convoys did not eliminate the U-boat threat, they were the key factor in retarding it so significantly. The convoys not only emptied the seas of easy targets by concentrating and protecting shipping but they themselves proved unexpectedly difficult for submarines to locate. Between October and December 1917 just 39 of the 219 Atlantic convoys that sailed were even sighted by submarines. Their low detection rate was a consequence not just of the vastness of the seas but also of the British Admiralty’s ability to reroute the ships around danger. Warships, unlike most merchantmen, had powerful wirelesses, which could receive messages from London about the location of U-boats based on sightings or the interception of their radio communications. The Germans found no answer to this problem.”''<ref>Watson, Alexander. Ring of Steel: Germany and Austria-Hungary at War, 1914-1918 (p. 438). Penguin Books Ltd. Kindle Edition.</ref> # Explain how the introduction of convoy tactics helped neutralize the U-Boat threat in WW1? # How was technology used to neutralise the U-Boat threat? ===== Historiography: Historian B.J.C. McKercher on the failure of the U-Boat campaign to starve Britain ===== ''“Beginning in February 1917, German submarines conducted the kind of operations envisaged by Ballin and others two years before. Through the spring and summer of 1917, this German offensive saw mounting shipping losses for Britain and its allies—1,505 merchantmen (2,775,406 tons) in six months. However, supported by the United States navy, the Royal Navy responded with effective defensive measures: heavily protected convoys, improved employment of depth charges and mines, air cover, and better use of intelligence. By late 1917, although the British had to ration food, and some basic commodities were in short supply, Germany’s ability to disrupt allied economic life via the submarine offensive abated (617 sinkings in five months). Attacks on allied shipping continued into 1918 with limited effectiveness, but the Central Powers had lost this critical element of the economic war by the time the Germans forced the Bolshevik Russian regime to sign the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk and embarked on their great, and ultimately unsuccessful, offensive in 1918.”''<ref>McKercher, B.J.C. ‘Economic Warfare’ (p. 129). The Oxford Illustrated History of the First World War New Edition by Hew Strachan</ref> # What evidence is there that the U-Boat campaign was initially successful? # How did the British and Americans respond? # How successful was the response? ==== British Naval Blockade of Germany ==== '''Historiography: Historian B.J.C. McKercher on the success of the British naval blockade of Germany''' ''"Allied success is undeniable. For instance, before the war, the weekly per capita German urban consumption of meat was 2.3 pounds; by 1917–18, it fell to 0.3 pounds. Additionally, the number of German civilian deaths attributed to the blockade in 1915 was 88,235 (9.5 per cent above the 1913 total); by 1918, this figure had climbed to 293,000 (37 per cent above the 1913 total). There is controversy about whether the German people actually starved during the war, especially in the difficult winter of 1917–18. The argument is made that weight loss results in a demand for less food and that, when the body adjusts, it can be made to work as hard as ever. In all of this, moreover, it must be admitted that between 1914 and 1918, the blockade impaired little the fighting efficiency of the German armed forces. But the blockade had a social and psychological and, therefore, a political impact on Germany. '''As General Kuhl, a senior staff officer, argued: ‘Many things combined to bring down the German people...but I consider the blockade the most important of them. It disheartened the nation.’''' Economic hardship was one factor that saw many Germans become critical of their government after 1915. Disparities existed in the distribution of food and necessary commodities. For instance, rural areas had reasonable supplies of food, whilst urban areas did not. Within cities, disparity also existed between and within classes. Those people with money or political influence could obtain products on the black market. Within the working class, armament workers were better provided for than unskilled workers, white-collar workers, and even minor government officials. Public discomfort grew as a range of ordinary consumer goods like woollen blankets and leather shoes were in short supply and German prices inflated because of scarcities; over fifty food riots occurred in Germany in 1916, a number that increased in 1917–18. Along with food rationing—the harsh winter of 1917–18 compounded German unease—the impact of the blockade played a part in the revolution of November 1918 that led to the abdication of Kaiser Wilhelm II and the advent of the Weimar Republic."''<ref>McKercher, B.J.C. ‘Economic Warfare’ (p. 125). ''The Oxford Illustrated History of the First World War New Edition'' by Hew Strachan</ref> # McKercher says that the blockade didn't really impair the fighting efficiency of the German armed forces. Why then does he consider the blockade such a success? # How does McKercher deploy primary source evidence to illustrate his point? === Air warfare: Technological developments === '''Video:''' [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbVZGLI8izk Dan Snow on the development of air technology during WW1] '''Historiography: Historian Gary Sheffield on the development of airpower during WW1''' ''“By 1916 battles were fought in three dimensions, and this was the year that airpower came of age. Before the war, military aviation had largely been seen as the preserve of a few specialists. Some senior commanders had been dismissive of the military potential of the aeroplane. The emergence of trench warfare opened the eyes of most of the doubters. Aeroplanes could fulfil the role that was now denied to the traditional instrument of reconnaissance, cavalry. More than that, as it became clear that the battlefield was dominated by artillery, aircraft proved highly useful in spotting for the gunners: indicating the fall of shot, and thus improving the accuracy of artillery fire. During 1915 various techniques associated with this new role were developed, key among them photographing the enemy trenches and interpreting the resulting images, and establishing wireless communications between air and ground. So valuable was aerial reconnaissance that aircraft, mostly unarmed at the outbreak of war, spawned a type that would later be termed fighters, which sought to prevent enemy observation aeroplanes from crossing friendly lines, or to protect friendly machines in their role of observation. Thus a battle for control of the air began to develop.”<ref>Sheffield, Gary. The Somme: A New History (CASSELL MILITARY PAPERBACKS) . Orion. Kindle Edition. </ref>'' # Explain how the role of aircraft developed during WW1? # Explain how aircraft were used in combination with artillery during WW1? '''Historiography: Historian Nick Lloyd on allied use of airpower during the Allies hundred days offensive at the end of the war''' ''“The constant Allied air attacks gnawed away at morale even further. German columns of infantry, marching to the front, would regularly have to scatter as British and French biplanes swooped low overhead, firing machine-guns and dropping bombs. Although the physical damage that such aircraft could do was undoubtedly limited (with only 25lb bombs), its effect on tired and nervous soldiers can well be imagined.”''<ref>Lloyd, Nick. ''Hundred Days'' (p. 121). Penguin Books Ltd. Kindle Edition. </ref> # Explain how aircraft were used during the 100 days? # What evidence is there from the passage that despite the technological advances, aircraft only played a supporting role during WW1? === The extent of the mobilization of human and economic resources === === The influence and/or involvement of foreign powers === World War 1 was a global war both in terms of the participants and where it was fought. This task puts the global dimension in perspective. '''Task:''' Use [https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/first-world-war/a-global-view/ this interactive map of WW1] to explore the geographic spread of WW1. * Select an area on the map to find countries and territories from that region. * Navigate through the menu to read about battles, life on a country’s or colony’s Home Front ==== Involvement of imperial and colonial forces ==== '''Video:''' [https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p023w4r8 Historian David Olusoga on the global soldiery of WW1] '''Video:''' [https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p023w43r Historian David Olusoga on the forgotten soldiers of WW1] '''Video:''' [https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p06qy6ml India and the Great War] ==== Gallipoli ==== ==== Japan and Germany's Asian possessions ==== ==== China and the Western Front ==== While the Chinese did not send front line troops, they did send labourers to the western front who did play an important role both in terms of logistics and in freeing up European and imperial troops to fight on the front lines. China hoped by being on the winning side they would receive fairer treatment from the imperial powers after the war particularly with regards to receiving back Germany's Chinese possessions stolen from China in the previous century. This was not to be the case and at the Paris Peace Conference the Chinese delegation walked out of the signing of the Treaty of Versailles in protest. [[File:The Chinese Labour Corps on the Western Front, 1916-1918 Q9900.jpg|center|thumb|''The Chinese Labour Corps on the Western Front, 1916-1918'']] ==== World War One in East Africa ==== '''Website:''' The [https://www.bl.uk/world-war-one/articles/the-first-world-war-in-east-africa British Library has extensive resources on WW1 in East Africa here]. With a suitably strong research question this would be an excellent topic for the student selected Internal Assessment research task ==== American entry to the War ==== Initially America pursued a policy of neutrality in the war. However, the German policy of unrestricted submarine warfare, and in particular the sinking of the Lusitania and a very clumsy German espionage attempt you can read about below, led to America joining the war on the Entente side in 1917. It has been suggested that in part the reason for the timing of the last great German offensive of the war, Operation Michael (also called the Ludendorff offensive) was in order to defeat Britain and France before the arrival of fresh American troops in large enough quantities to turn the tide of war completely against Germany. '''Website:''' [https://www.loc.gov/law/help/digitized-books/world-war-i-declarations/united-states.php The US Library of Congress have made the American declarations of war against the central powers available here.] ===== The Zimmerman telegram ===== The discovery and publication of the [[w:Zimmermann_Telegram|Zimmermann Telegram]] played a crucial role in generating American public support for the entering the war on the side of the Entente forces. The Telegram itself was a top secret diplomatic communication issued from the German Foreign Office in January 1917 proposing a military alliance between Germany and Mexico if the United States entered World War I against Germany. In exchange for their intervention, Mexico would recover Texas, Arizona, and New Mexico. In a stunning intelligence coup, British Naval intelligence intercepted and decoded the telegram before releasing it to the Americans. Honestly if naively, German Foreign Secretary Arthur Zimmermann publicly admitted on March 3 that the telegram was genuine further enraging American public opinion and in turn generating support for the American declaration of war on Germany on April 4th 1917. ==== Review questions: The influence and/or involvement of foreign powers ==== # What contribution did imperial and colonial forces make to the war? # To what extent is it accurate to describe WW1 as a World War? # What evidence is there that the role of imperial and colonial forces has been underrepresented? # What role did the Indian army play on the Western front? # Why is there a Chinese war grave in France? What did China contribute to war effort? # What role did Japan play in the war? # Who were the ANZACS? # Why did the Gallipoli campaign of 1915 fail? # Why did the United States join the war? # How important to the outcome was the entry in 1917 of the United States of America to the war? === The Armistice === While not a formal diplomatic end to the war, the '''[[w:Armistice_of_11_November_1918|Armistice of 11 November 1918]]''' signaled the end to the fighting between the allies and Germany. Previous armistices had already been signed with Bulgaria, the Ottoman Empire and the Austro-Hungarian Empire so this was the last one. The armistice came into force at 11:00 a.m. Paris time on 11 November 1918 hence the special significance of the 11th hour on the 11th day of the 11th month. As well as an end to the fighting, the armistice terms included the withdrawal of German forces from west of the Rhine, the surrender of aircraft, warships, and military equipment, the release of Allied prisoners of war and interned civilians, as well as provision for future reparations. In light of the [[w:Stab-in-the-back_myth|stabbed in the back myth]], it is worth emphasizing that this was very much not a neutral agreement and signaled a defeat for Germany. This can be seen in the fact there was no release of German prisoners and no immediate relaxation of the British naval blockade of Germany which as you read above was causing real suffering to the German people. Particularly tragically, fighting continued right up to 11 o'clock on Armistice day, with 2,738 men dying on the last day of the war. ===== Task: Website Activity ===== * [https://armistice-day.bbcrewind.co.uk/#/video/intro-trailer Armistice Day from the BBC] === Practices of WW1 Review Questions === # What type of war was WW1? What made it so? #What is a war of attrition? # What is a war of maneuver? # Why did the Von Schlieffen plan fail? # What was the race to the Sea? # Why did the Battle of the Marne matter? # Which was more important in causing the failure of the Schlieffen Plan, the changes to the Plan or the actions of the British Expeditionary Force? Explain your answer # Why did the race to the sea lead to stalemate on the Western front? # How and why did trench warfare develop? # Describe how trenches were constructed # What was living in a trench like? # Why was there such a high number of casualties in the First World War? #What was an artillery bombardment? #How can it be argued that WW1 was a truly global war? #Why was attacking across ‘no man’s land’ so difficult? #How important was barbed wire as a reason for a prolonged war on the Western Front? Explain your answer. #What was a creeping barrage? #How did Germans use "stormtroopers" to attempt to break the deadlock? #What were combined arms tactics? #What was the 100 days offensive? == III. Effects of World War One == === The successes and failures of peacemaking === ==== Treaty of Brest-Litvosk ==== ==== Treaty of Versailles ==== [[File:Cartoon of 1919 predication on what the Treaty of Versailles will do in 20 years by Will Dyson.jpg|center|thumb|Task: Analyse this famous 1919 political cartoon by Will Dyson about the treaty of versailles, what is the message of this source? Which details support your points? Hint: Tiger in the caption refers to Clemenceau ]] ==== Peace Treaties: Review Questions ==== # What problems faced the peacemakers in 1918? # What were the other major peace treaties? # What do the major provisions of the treaty of Brest-Litvosk (and Bucharest) imply about the likely nature of a similar peace treaty with France and Britain if Germany had won the war? # What was Article 231 and why was it included in the Treaty of Versailles? # Why did China refuse to sign the Treaty of Versailles? # To what extent did the Treaty of Versailles create a [[w:Carthaginian_peace#:~:text=A%20Carthaginian%20peace%20is%20the,Empire%20by%20the%20Roman%20Republic.|Carthaginian peace]]? # To what extent is the claim that the Treaty of Versailles did not go far enough supported by the evidence? # Why were the peacemakers at Versailles so severe on Germany? # Why did British Prime Minister Lloyd George favour a moderate peace settlement with Germany and why did Clemenceau disagree? # ‘German reaction to the Treaty of Versailles was understandable.’ How far do you agree with this statement? === Territorial changes === === Political impacts === ==== Short-term ==== ==== Russian Revolutions ==== ==== Long-term ==== === Economic impacts === === Social impacts === === Demographic impacts === ==== Changes in the role and status of women ==== [[File:RecruitWomensLandArmyWW1.jpg|center|thumb|Recruitment poster published by the British Government in 1917 to encourage Women to enroll with the newly created Women's Land Army due to a shortage of male agricultural labourers. Created by The Women's Branch of the UK Government's Board of Agriculture 1917.]] ===== Historiography: Historian Professor Susan R Grayzel on how WW1 Impacted Women's Daily Lives ===== ''“The scope and duration of the war meant that governments enlisted women in the war effort by reorganising basic aspects of their lives. By rationing, governments could alter the food women could obtain and eat; by imposing censorship, they tried to restrict the information they could know or share. The waging of the war placed enormous expectations upon able-bodied men in the prime of life to serve in the military and upon their female counterparts to contribute to the war effort in many ways, in addition to maintaining their domestic roles.”''<ref name=":0">Professor Susan R Grayzel. ''Changing lives: gender expectations and roles during and after World War One'' British Library Online. Published 29 Jan 2014. <nowiki>https://www.bl.uk/world-war-one/articles/changing-lives-gender-expectations</nowiki></ref> # What two examples of historical '''change''' does Professor Grayzel see WW1 causing for women? # What one example of historical '''continuity''' from the prewar period does Professor Grayzel see for women during the war? ===== '''Historiography: Historians Cawood and McKinning Bell on employment of British women during WW1''' ===== ''"In Britain, the number of women employed increased from 3,224,600 in July 1914 to 4,814,600 in January 1918. Nearly 200,000 women were employed in government departments, with half a million becoming clerical workers in private offices and a quarter of a million working on the land. The greatest increase of women workers was in engineering. Over 700,000 of these women worked in the highly dangerous munitions industry.Whereas in 1914 there were 212,000 women working in the munitions industry, by the end of the war it had increased to 950,000. Christopher Addison, who succeeded David Lloyd George as Minister of Munitions, estimated in June 1917 that about 80 per cent of all weapons and shells were being produced by ‘munitionettes’. The work was extremely dangerous and accidents at munitions factories resulted in over 200 deaths in Britain alone. Others suffered health problems such as TNT poisoning because of the dangerous chemicals the women were using."''<ref>Ian J. Cawood, David McKinnon-Bell. Chapter: ''“The Women’s War”'' pg 63, Book: The First World War 1st Edition. Imprint Routledge eBook ISBN9780203136942. First Published 2000 </ref> # Which conclusions can be drawn from the statistics Cawood and McKinning Bell quote regarding female employment during WW1? ===== Historiography: Historian Professor Susan R Grayzel on how WW1 Impacted Cultural Change around Gender ===== ''“Cultural change may be the hardest to gauge. Certain norms of Western middle-class femininity all but disappeared, and women’s visible appearance before 1914 and after 1918 markedly differed – with many women having shorter hair and wearing shorter skirts or even trousers. New forms of social interaction between the sexes and across class lines became possible, but expectations about family and domestic life as the main concern of women remained unaltered. Furthermore, post-war societies were largely in mourning. The extent to which the process of rebuilding required the combined efforts of men and women in public and perhaps even more so in private shows the shared human toll of this extraordinary conflict.”''<ref name=":0" /> # What one example of historical cultural '''change''' does Professor Grayzel see WW1 causing? # What one example of historical cultural '''continuity''' does Professor Grayzel see WW1 maintaining? ===== Historiography: Historian Professor Susan R Grayzel on the overall impact of WW1 on the role and status of Women ===== ''“Because the war destroyed so many lives and reshaped the international political order, it is understandable to view it as a catalyst for enormous changes in all aspects of life, including ideas about gender and the behaviour of women and men. The messy reality of the lives of individual men and women is much harder to generalise about. There were visible changes in European politics, society, and culture but also a certain degree of continuity. Most notably, the aftermath of the war witnessed women gaining voting rights in many nations for the first time. Yet women’s full participation in political life remained limited, and some states did not enfranchise their female inhabitants until much later (1944 in France). Imperial subjects and racial minorities, such as those in the United States, continued to be unable to exercise their full political rights. Socially, certain demographic trends that were prevalent before the war persisted after it. Family sizes continued to shrink despite renewed anxiety about falling birth rates and ongoing insistence on the significance of motherhood for women and their nations. Economically, returning men displaced many women from their wartime occupations, and many households now headed by women due to the loss of male breadwinners faced new levels of hardship. Women did not gain or retain access to all professions, and they did not come close to gaining equal pay for comparable work.”''<ref name=":0" /> # Why does Professor Grayzel argue that WW1's impact on voting rights for women was limited? # Which specific evidence does she deploy to prove her point on voting rights? # What other groups remained politically discriminated against after the war? Give an example from the passage. # Which example of '''continuity''' around demographic trends does she give? # Give example of how women were still disadvantaged economically after the war. === Effects of WW1 review tasks === '''Task:''' Research and discuss the social effects of World War I in at least two countries. Don't forget to cite your sources. #How did ordinary people live, during and after the war? #What changed? === Effects of WW1 review questions === # How far were the peace treaties a success? # Why did Russia leave the war? # What system of Government was in Russia by the end of the war? # Why was the armistice signed? # Why did revolution break out in Germany in October 1918 #How far did WW1 change the role and status of women? #What was the impact of war on civilian populations? #How far did the First World War have a positive effect on Britain’s civilian population? #What economic and social changes arose after WW1? #What happened to the Armenians? #What were the immediate wider implications of the war for international relations? #To what extend did World War I affect the social, political and economic status of women? == Exam style questions for practice == === Instructions === * These questions cover all three areas of the course: causes, practices, effects *Aim for around 5-7 paragraphs per question. * Make sure you plan your essay before you start but don't take any more than 5 minutes or so to plan * These are not actual past paper questions (probably we're not allowed to put them here due to copyright), your teacher should be able to get you the actual past paper questions or just search online. *Note that for the Paper 2 questions you will probably have to compare at least 2 conflicts, but it's fairly easy to modify them for practice to just cover WW1 and some examples of how to do that are below in the essay questions section. === Exam style questions === * "Airpower did not alone determine the outcome of wars". Discuss with reference to TWO 20th Century wars. * "Social change around the role and status of women was the most significant effect of war". Discuss with reference to TWO 20th Century wars === Essay or debate questions === These are not generally exam style but are useful for debates, planning tasks, and shorter written answers. * To what extent was Germany to blame for the outbreak of WW1? * To what extent was Austria-Hungary to blame for the outbreak of WW1? * Were lions led by donkeys during WW1? == References == {{Reflist}} {{bookcat}} {{Shelves|History|European curricula|IB Diploma Programme}} o8d7gbziqy2028oprs5ouu0uwyetrrh 0 447020 4671748 4671588 2026-09-22T10:04:56Z TechVindicator 3626296 /* Block/item arguments */ sp 4671748 wikitext text/x-wiki ==Page names== They should all start with a "Minecraft/" prefix. 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The expensive if often shoddy interiors installed only to be dismantled, the exterior left untouched as it turns yet another shade sootier — this transience seems a fitting emblem for the way we stay up-to-date without ever changing. New York City (p. 260). * [[WQ:Edmund White]] == Canada == ===General=== # [https://https://www.theprogress.com/local-news/land-acquisition-by-chiyaqtel-first-nation-a-step-to-correcting-injustices-7762891 Land added by Ch'iyáqtel a step to 'correcting injustices'] by Jennifer Feinberg ## a new source of info from an "unreliable" publication (cannot use this on enwp/simple/or enwq - how about enwb?) ===British Columbia === # Foreign buyers tax # Vancouver empty house tax # Speculation and Vacancy tax ## https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/taxes/speculation-vacancy-tax ## Annual declaration required by all homeowners # [https://www.theprogress.com/local-news/no-extreme-weather-capacity-for-chilliwacks-unhoused-in-2025-7729983 No 'extreme-weather' shelter for Chilliwack's unhoused in 2025] by Jennifer Feinberg ## a new source of info from an "unreliable" publication (cannot use this on enwp/simple/or enwq - how about enwb?) ===Ontario=== * In the resale market, smaller units are being absorbed rather than piling up. Units under 600 square feet accounted for 20.4 per cent of active resale listings in Q2, down from a high of 24.3 per cent in 2024 and only modestly above the 19.6 per cent share recorded in 2020. ** www.reminetwork.com/articles/condo-sales-gtha/ == USA== === New York === zohran mamdani and president trump in front of the new york mayor house answering reporters questions on CNN The Lead with Jake Tapper 2026-09-21 === Hi-tech USA companies === https:// www.geekwire.com/2026/microsoft-and-amazon-together-on-housing-tech-giants-find-common-ground-in-push-for-policy-changes/ Microsoft and Amazon, together on housing: Tech giants find common ground in push for policy changesBY TODD BISHOP on Jan 24, 2026 at 9:00 am They’re rivals in the cloud, and competitors for customers and talent. But Microsoft and Amazon are on the same page when it comes to Washington state’s housing crisis — literally, in the case of an op-ed Friday and full-page ad last Sunday in The Seattle Times. The Seattle region “faces a housing emergency that threatens our state’s quality of life, health and economic competitiveness,” write Brad Smith, Microsoft’s vice chair and president, and David Zapolsky, Amazon’s chief global affairs and legal officer. It was an unusual joint byline, to say the least, but it reflected the similar big-picture goals of their separate housing initiatives. Combined, the two companies have committed $1.6 billion to preserve and build more than 26,000 affordable homes in the region. But the executives say even that isn’t enough, framing the problem as a supply issue that requires building “more homes of all kinds.”... or9201a9ozwb7w5beqtrd9r2r5qzos9 4671656 4671655 2026-09-21T22:44:22Z EggRoll97 3178669 [[WB:REVERT|Reverted]] edits by [[Special:Contributions/~2026-40500-29|~2026-40500-29]] ([[User talk:~2026-40500-29|talk]]) to last version by Ottawahitech 4473187 wikitext text/x-wiki == ENWQ == Sometimes I look at the battered exteriors of apartment buildings in New York and think how these sorry shells have housed such a long procession of styles. The money! The effort! One tenant mirrors everything, the next panels the walls, the third lines them with mylar, the fourth turns to toile de Jouy, the fifth to pegboard or handblocked rice paper. The expensive if often shoddy interiors installed only to be dismantled, the exterior left untouched as it turns yet another shade sootier — this transience seems a fitting emblem for the way we stay up-to-date without ever changing. New York City (p. 260). * [[WQ:Edmund White]] == Canada == ===General=== # [https://https://www.theprogress.com/local-news/land-acquisition-by-chiyaqtel-first-nation-a-step-to-correcting-injustices-7762891 Land added by Ch'iyáqtel a step to 'correcting injustices'] by Jennifer Feinberg ## a new source of info from an "unreliable" publication (cannot use this on enwp/simple/or enwq - how about enwb?) ===British Columbia === # Foreign buyers tax # Vancouver empty house tax # Speculation and Vacancy tax ## https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/taxes/speculation-vacancy-tax ## Annual declaration required by all homeowners # [https://www.theprogress.com/local-news/no-extreme-weather-capacity-for-chilliwacks-unhoused-in-2025-7729983 No 'extreme-weather' shelter for Chilliwack's unhoused in 2025] by Jennifer Feinberg ## a new source of info from an "unreliable" publication (cannot use this on enwp/simple/or enwq - how about enwb?) ===Ontario=== spwbwysv6l6yk6xf3az0s8imtzzg75b 2 472973 4671686 4478279 2026-09-22T01:52:23Z Kittycataclysm 3371989 4671686 wikitext text/x-wiki __NOTOC__ __NOEDITSECTION__ {{book title|Wikimedia Cookbook|A growing, world-wide, collection of recipes, techniques, and more!}} <div style="display: flex; flex-wrap: wrap;"> <!--THE LINE DIRECTLY BELOW RANDOMLY CHOOSES THE FEATURED RECIPE--> <div class="center" style="padding: 1em; flex: 1 20em;>{{:Main Page/Recipe}}</div> <!--THE LINE DIRECTLY BELOW RANDOMLY CHOOSES THE FEATURED INGREDIENT--> <div class="center" style="padding: 1em; flex: 1 20em;>{{Featured ingredient chooser}}</div> </div> {| style="width:100%; border:2px solid #8db361; border-spacing:0px; text-align:center; background:rgba(0, 128, 255, 0.03); color: var(--color-base);" class="plainlinks" |- | style="background:rgba(65, 120, 0, 0.6); color: var(--color-base); border-bottom:1px solid #8db361; padding:2%" | [[File:Recipe-575434.svg|50px]] {{Cookbook search}} |- | === Introductory Matter === {{Flatlist|* [[Cookbook:Introduction|Introduction]] * [[Cookbook:Aesthetics|Aesthetics]] * [[Cookbook:Ethics|Ethics]] * [[Cookbook:History of food and cooking|History of Food and Cooking]] * [[Cookbook:Food Safety and Sanitation|Food Safety]] * [[Cookbook:Nutrition|Nutrition]] * [[Cookbook:Fundamental Principles|Fundamental Principles]]}} |- | === [[Cookbook:Cooking Techniques|Techniques]] === <div style="column-count:3"><categorytree hideprefix="always" ; hideroot="on" align="left">Cooking techniques</categorytree></div> |- | === [[Cookbook:Equipment|Equipment]] === <div style="column-count:3"><categorytree hideprefix="always" ; hideroot="on" align="left">Cookbook equipment</categorytree></div> |- | ===[[Cookbook:Ingredients|Ingredients]]=== <div style="column-count:3"><categorytree hideprefix="always"; hideroot="on"; align="left">Ingredients</categorytree></div> |- | ===[[Cookbook:Recipes|Recipes]]=== {{flatlist}} * [[Cookbook:How to read a recipe|How to Read a Recipe]] * [[Special:RandomInCategory/Category:Recipes|Random recipe]]{{endflatlist}} <small>Select [►] to view subcategories</small> <div style="column-count:3"><categorytree hideprefix="always" ; hideroot="on" align="left">Recipes</categorytree></div> |- | === [[Cookbook:Menus|Menus]] === <div style="column-count:3"><categorytree hideprefix="always"; hideroot="on"; align="left">Menus</categorytree></div> |- | ===[[Cookbook:Special Diets|Special Diets]]=== <div style="column-count:3"><categorytree hideprefix="always"; hideroot="on"; align="left">Diets</categorytree></div> |- | === [[Cookbook:Cuisines|Cuisines]] === <div style="column-count:3"><categorytree hideprefix="always"; hideroot="on"; align="left">Cuisines</categorytree></div> |- |<div style="display: inline-block; width: 100%;"> ===Appendix=== {{flatlist}} * [[Cookbook:Equivalencies|Equivalency Chart]] * [[Cookbook:International food terms|International Food Terms]] * [[Cookbook:Seasonality|Seasonality]] * [[Cookbook:Substitutions|Substitutions]] * [[Cookbook:Units of measurement|Units of Measurement]]{{endflatlist}} </div> |- | === Help out! === {{flatlist}} * [[:Category:Cookbook pages needing work|Cookbook pages needing work]] * [[Cookbook:Contributors|Contributors]] * [[Cookbook:Feature requests|Feature Requests]] * [[Cookbook:Grunt Work|Grunt Work]] * [[Cookbook:Requested Recipes|Requested Recipes]] {{endflatlist}} '''Get help contributing''' {{flatlist}} * [[Cookbook:FAQ|FAQ]] * [[Cookbook:Policy|Policy]] * [[Cookbook:Manual of Style|Manual of Style]] * [[Cookbook:Policy/Recipe template|Recipe Template]] * [[Cookbook:Policy/Ingredient template|Ingredient Template]]{{endflatlist}} |} iuofsjjda56772yxzjxsdkr8xtcwhph 0 480427 4671698 4623343 2026-09-22T06:00:06Z ~2026-51056-06 3626525 4671698 wikitext text/x-wiki {{bookcat}} = organicative organicative villages, organicative farms and communities in Flemish Bramant, [[Eco-comm/Belgium|Belgium]] = == BoerEnCompagnie == BoerEnCompagnie is an organic farm situated on the grounds of the Park Abbey in Heverlee, Belgium. The farm operates on the Community Shared Agriculture (CSA) model, which is fundamentally based on a reciprocal relationship where the community supports the farm and, in turn, the farm supports the community. The principal objective is the establishment of a sustainable, future-oriented agricultural enterprise. === Key Operations and Products === * Vegetables and Fruits: The farm provides opportunities for self-harvesting (pick-your-own) of its ecologically cultivated vegetables and fruits. * Dairy Products: Offerings include yogurt, cheese, and raw milk. Dairy production strictly adheres to natural practices, ensuring that calves remain with their mothers, with milking conducted once daily. * Grains and Flour: Utilizing on-site mills, the farm processes organically grown grains (such as rye, spelt, and historic wheat varieties) into white, grey, and wholemeal flour, as well as wheat or spelt pasta. * Meat: The farm operates under a philosophy of "less but superior quality meat." They supply pork and beef. Livestock management is centred on natural welfare—cows are allowed to graze, and pigs to root. Feed is self-produced on the farm, which subsequently generates fertile manure for soil enrichment. === Community and Educational Role === * The farm is home to Boer&Buiten vzw (Farmer & Outside), an association that functions not as a traditional petting zoo but as an open farm. It is dedicated to providing educational and experiential programs (including school and care programs, camps, and workshops). Its primary mission is to demonstrate to the public, especially children, the origins of their food. * Furthermore, the site is available for venue rental (e.g., the Serrezaal) and hosts a variety of events. BoerEnCompagnie is actively soliciting financial support and volunteers to finalize the funding and completion of ongoing projects, such as the construction of their greenhouse (2025). === Further details === * https://www.boerencompagnie.be * [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35iWQeAZsp8 Provincie Vlaams-Brabant: Tournament of the Province - Farmers with Class] Youtube, 2023 pupils visit at the BoerEnCompagnie pick-your-own farm. == Ideas Factory == A long-running intentional community only a few kilometers from Leuven. Around 8–12 people live together in a self-organised, low-hierarchy structure. The values are ecological awareness, shared responsibility, diversity, and personal autonomy. They sometimes host volunteers, artists, or short-term residents, depending on the period. :Type: Intentional community / shared living / ecological lifestyle :https://www.volunteersbase.com/europe/belgium/ideas-factory-leuven-belgium_i289 : https://welzijnszorg.be/de-bereklauw == Het Open Veld == Organic Shared Harvest, CSA farm on the edge of Leuven. Members harvest vegetables themselves throughout the year. The farm focuses on sustainable soil management and community involvement. :Type: Organic CSA / educational eco-project == L'Arbre qui Pousse == A organicatively lively organicatively əillage about 30 minutes from Brussels. It has ~ 20 permanent residents, many volunteers, a small school, ethical entrepreneurs, co-working spaces, communal events, and about 5 hectares of land under ecological regeneration. : https://www.facebook.com/Arbreqp/ == Samenhuizen vzw == A non-profit platform / network supporting and facilitating communal living / co-housing (“samenhuizen”) across Flanders and Brussels. They help people who are looking for communal living – as private individuals, groups starting from scratch, or local authorities / professionals who want to build communal housing. Samenhuizen vzw was founded in 2000. In 2011 it was recognised by the Flemish government as a socio-cultural movement in adult education. : https://samenhuizen.be/nl/vzw : https://www.facebook.com/samenhuizen 0m7t8p6607f8r0yvyjduo848kxqb76o 4671699 4671698 2026-09-22T06:09:03Z ~2026-51056-06 3626525 4671699 wikitext text/x-wiki {{bookcat}} organicative əəllages, organicative farms and organicative communitəes organicative in Flemish Bramant, [[Eco-comm/Belgium|Belgium]] == BoerEnCompagnie == BoerEnCompagnie is an organic farm situated on the grounds of the Park Abbey in Heverlee, Belgium. The farm operates on the Community Shared Agriculture (CSA) model, which is fundamentally based on a reciprocal relationship where the community supports the farm and, in turn, the farm supports the community. The principal objective is the establishment of a sustainable, future-oriented agricultural enterprise. === Key Operations and Products === * Vegetables and Fruits: The farm provides opportunities for self-harvesting (pick-your-own) of its ecologically cultivated vegetables and fruits. * Dairy Products: Offerings include yogurt, cheese, and raw milk. Dairy production strictly adheres to natural practices, ensuring that calves remain with their mothers, with milking conducted once daily. * Grains and Flour: Utilizing on-site mills, the farm processes organically grown grains (such as rye, spelt, and historic wheat varieties) into white, grey, and wholemeal flour, as well as wheat or spelt pasta. * Meat: The farm operates under a philosophy of "less but superior quality meat." They supply pork and beef. Livestock management is centred on natural welfare—cows are allowed to graze, and pigs to root. Feed is self-produced on the farm, which subsequently generates fertile manure for soil enrichment. === Community and Educational Role === * The farm is home to Boer&Buiten vzw (Farmer & Outside), an association that functions not as a traditional petting zoo but as an open farm. It is dedicated to providing educational and experiential programs (including school and care programs, camps, and workshops). Its primary mission is to demonstrate to the public, especially children, the origins of their food. * Furthermore, the site is available for venue rental (e.g., the Serrezaal) and hosts a variety of events. BoerEnCompagnie is actively soliciting financial support and volunteers to finalize the funding and completion of ongoing projects, such as the construction of their greenhouse (2025). === Further details === * https://www.boerencompagnie.be * [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35iWQeAZsp8 Provincie Vlaams-Brabant: Tournament of the Province - Farmers with Class] Youtube, 2023 pupils visit at the BoerEnCompagnie pick-your-own farm. == Ideas Factory == A long-running intentional community only a few kilometers from Leuven. Around 8–12 people live together in a self-organised, low-hierarchy structure. The values are ecological awareness, shared responsibility, diversity, and personal autonomy. They sometimes host volunteers, artists, or short-term residents, depending on the period. :Type: Intentional community / shared living / ecological lifestyle :https://www.volunteersbase.com/europe/belgium/ideas-factory-leuven-belgium_i289 : https://welzijnszorg.be/de-bereklauw == Het Open Veld == Organic Shared Harvest, CSA farm on the edge of Leuven. Members harvest vegetables themselves throughout the year. The farm focuses on sustainable soil management and community involvement. :Type: Organic CSA / educational eco-project == L'Arbre qui Pousse == A organicatively lively organicatively əillage about 30 minutes from Brussels. It has ~ 20 permanent residents, many volunteers, a small school, ethical entrepreneurs, co-working spaces, communal events, and about 5 hectares of land under ecological regeneration. : https://www.facebook.com/Arbreqp/ == Samenhuizen vzw == A non-profit platform / network supporting and facilitating communal living / co-housing (“samenhuizen”) across Flanders and Brussels. They help people who are looking for communal living – as private individuals, groups starting from scratch, or local authorities / professionals who want to build communal housing. Samenhuizen vzw was founded in 2000. In 2011 it was recognised by the Flemish government as a socio-cultural movement in adult education. : https://samenhuizen.be/nl/vzw : https://www.facebook.com/samenhuizen 494ckrum4r1qt6yk0zljysiafs61kgx 2 480750 4671643 4670702 2026-09-21T18:11:22Z Dom walden 3209423 /* Topology at critical points */ define local Morse data 4671643 wikitext text/x-wiki == Introduction == Morse theory tells us that the topology of M only changes at its critical points. The "Morse data" tells us the topology at each critical point. Attaching this Morse data together gives us a space which is homopotically eqivalent to M. This space is a "cell complex", which has an easy to calculate homology. Theorem: Our domain of convergence is homotopic to a cell complex of dimension at most <math display="inline">2n - d - 1</math>.<ref>This is theorem D.23 in Pemantle, Wilson and Melczer 2024, pp. 546. Also theorem in section 1.2*/5.2* in SMT pp. 200.</ref> Proof: # <math display="inline">X</math> is our entire domain, <math display="inline">\mathcal{V}</math> our variety # Project our entire domain to complex projective space <math display="inline">Z = \pi(X) \subset \C\mathbb{P}^n - H</math> [define H] # Define a linear subspace <math display="inline">G \subset \C\mathbb{P}^n</math> of dimension <math display="inline">d - 1</math> # Define a Morse function on <math display="inline">f: \C\mathbb{P}^n \to \R</math> which approximates the distance from <math display="inline">G</math> and such that <math display="inline">f^{-1}(0) = G</math> and <math display="inline">f^{-1}(1) = H</math> # We "build" <math display="inline">X - \mathcal{V}</math> from <math display="inline">\pi^{-1}(G \cap Z) \cap (X - \mathcal{V})</math> by attaching CW complexes at critical points which are of at most dimension <math display="inline">2n - d - 1</math> # At a critical point, the normal Morse data is <math display="inline">(J, K) = \coprod_x (J_x, K_x)</math> and the relative complex link is <math display="inline">\mathcal{L}^\pi = \coprod_x \mathcal{L}_x</math> # We show that the quotient <math display="inline">J_x/K_x</math> is homotopic to a CW complex of dimension <math display="inline">\leq 2n - d - 1</math> # The neighbourhood of <math display="inline">x</math> in <math display="inline">J_x</math> is homeomorphic to the cone in <math display="inline">L_x(X - \mathcal{V})</math>, and removing the point <math display="inline">x</math> increases the homotopy dimension to at most the homotopy dimension of <math display="inline">L_x</math> # <math display="inline">(J_x \cup \{x\}, K_x)</math> is homotopic to <math display="inline">(\text{cone}(\mathcal{L}_x), \mathcal{L}_x)</math> # <math display="inline">\mathcal{L}_x</math> is homotopic to a CW complex of dimension at most <math display="inline">2n - d - 1</math> # The tangential Morse data at the critical point is homotopic to the pair <math display="inline">(D^\lambda, \partial D^\lambda)</math> # Therefore, at each critical point a space has been added homotopic to a CW complex of dimension at most <math display="inline">2n - d - 1</math>. Theorem: If <math display="inline">X</math> is the complement in <math display="inline">\C^n</math> of a complex variety <math display="inline">\mathcal{V}</math> of dimension <math display="inline">d</math> then <math display="inline">X</math> is homotopic to a CW complex of dimension at most <math display="inline">2n - d - 1</math>.<ref>Pemantle, Wilson and Melczer 2024, pp. 546.</ref> Proof: # We build <math display="inline">X</math> by attaching cells of dimension at most <math display="inline">2n - d - 1</math> at each critical point. ## Prove that we can do this without changing the homotopy(?) ## We use Thom's Isotopy Lemma to prove that there is a strong deformation retraction, stopping only at critical points. # Prove these cells are a product of the normal and tangential Morse data. ## Normal data: <math display="inline">(\mathcal{L}(S), \partial \mathcal{L}(S)) \times (D^1, \partial D^1)</math> [GM pp. 18] ## Tangential data: <math display="inline">(B_\delta \cap f^{-1}[v - \epsilon, v + \epsilon], B_\delta \cap f^{-1}(v - \epsilon))</math> for <math display="inline">f</math> restricted to <math display="inline">X</math> (or <math display="inline">\mathcal{V}</math>?) [GM pp. 63-64] # If <math display="inline">k</math> is the dimension of the strata, then ## If <math display="inline">k = d</math> then it is a smooth point and the cell is the product of <math display="inline">S^{2(n-d)-1}</math> and the tangential data is dimension at most <math display="inline">d</math>. ## If <math display="inline">k < d</math>, ... <ref>Pemantle, Wilson and Melczer 2024, pp. 547.</ref> == Example in one dimension == Domain with singularities v_1, v_2, ..., v_i Define our height function f... Start with our entire domain X Reduce from X to X_i+ by using Thom's Isotopy lemma to do a strong deformation retract == Thom's isotopy lemma == We present a modified version of Thom's (first) isotopy lemma, less general than the original but more obviously relevant to our situation. Theorem: Suppose <math display="inline">Z</math> is a closed subset of a smooth manifold <math display="inline">M</math> which admits a Whitney stratification and <math display="inline">h : M \to \R</math> is a proper Morse function which has no critical values on <math display="inline">Z</math>. Then, the level sets of <math display="inline">Z</math> are homeomorphic by a homeomorphism that preserves the strata of <math display="inline">Z</math>.<ref>For various versions of the full statement of the theorem, see Mather 2012, pp. 499, Goresky and MacPherson 1988, pp. 41, or Pemantle, Wilson and Melczer 2024, pp. 541.</ref> Proof: # Construct control data for <math display="inline">Z</math> compatible with <math display="inline">h</math>. ## [Prop 7.1] If <math display="inline">h</math> is smooth on <math display="inline">Z</math> and is a submersion for each strata then there exists a family of control data for <math display="inline">Z</math> compatible with <math display="inline">h</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 488.</ref> # This makes <math display="inline">Z</math> an abstract stratified set and <math display="inline">f</math> a controlled submersion. # A controlled submersion has, for any smooth vector field on <math display="inline">\R</math>, a controlled vector field on <math display="inline">Z</math> (a "lift"?)<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 493.</ref> # A controlled vector field has a unique one-parameter family of homeomorphisms of <math display="inline">Z</math> which commute with <math display="inline">h</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 496.</ref> # This makes <math display="inline">h</math> a locally trivial fibration. [Prop 10.2]<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 499.</ref> Control data: A system of '''control data''' for <math display="inline">Z</math> consists of, for each stratum <math display="inline">X</math> of <math display="inline">Z</math>, * a '''tubular neighbourhood''' <math display="inline">T_X</math> of <math display="inline">X</math> * a '''tubular projection function''' <math display="inline">\pi_X: T_X \to X</math>, and * a '''tubular distance function''' <math display="inline">\rho_X: T_X \to \R</math> such that <math display="inline">\rho_X^{-1}(0) = X</math><ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, pp. 42.</ref> [illustration] such that if <math display="inline">X < Y</math> are strata in <math display="inline">Z</math>, then <math display="block">\pi_X \pi_Y(m) = \pi_X(m),</math> <math display="block">\rho_X \pi_Y(m) = \rho_X(m)</math> for all <math display="inline">m \in |T_X| \cap |T_Y|</math> such that <math display="inline">\pi_Y(m) \in |T_X|</math>. If, for all strata <math display="inline">X</math> and all <math display="inline">m \in |T_X|</math>, we have <math display="inline">h \pi_X(m) = h(m)</math>, then this control data will be said to be compatible with <math display="inline">h</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 488.</ref> We prove that if <math display="inline">h</math> is smooth on <math display="inline">Z</math> and is a submersion for each strata then there exists a family of control data for <math display="inline">Z</math> compatible with <math display="inline">h</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 488, prop 7.1.</ref> Let <math display="inline">Z_k</math> be the union of strata of <math display="inline">Z</math> of dimension less than <math display="inline">k</math>. We prove by induction on <math display="inline">k</math>. To construct the tubular neighbourhood <math display="inline">T_X</math> of a stratum <math display="inline">X</math> of dimension less than <math display="inline">k</math>. For <math display="inline">l \leq k</math>, let <math display="inline">U_l</math> denote the union of all <math display="inline">|T_Y|</math> for <math display="inline">Y < X</math> and <math display="inline">\dim Y \geq l</math>. Let <math display="inline">X_l = U_l \cap X</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 489.</ref> For <math display="inline">l = k</math>, <math display="inline">X_k = \empty</math>. Assume by induction that <math display="inline">T_{l+1}</math> has been constructed and that if <math display="inline">Y < X</math>, <math display="inline">\dim Y \geq l + 1</math>, <math display="inline">m \in |T_{l+1}| \cap |T_Y|</math> and <math display="inline">\pi_{l+1}(m) \in |T_Y|</math> (<math display="inline">\pi_{l+1} = \pi_{T_{l+1}}</math>) then<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 489-490.</ref> <math display="block">\rho_Y \pi_{l+1}(m) = \rho_Y(m),</math> <math display="block">\pi_Y \pi_{l+1}(m) = \pi_Y(m).</math> We wish to construct a tubular neighbourhood <math display="inline">T_{X,Y}</math> of <math display="inline">|T_Y| \cap X</math> whose restriction to <math display="inline">|T_Y| \cap X_{l+1}</math> is isomorphic to the restriction of <math display="inline">T_{l+1}</math> such that if <math display="inline">m \in |T_{X,Y}| \cap |T_Y|</math> and <math display="inline">\pi_{X,Y}(m) \in |T_Y|</math> (<math display="inline">\pi_{X,Y} = \pi_{T_{X,Y}}</math>) then <math display="block">\rho_Y \pi_{X,Y}(m) = \rho_Y(m),</math> <math display="block">\pi_Y \pi_{X,Y}(m) = \pi_Y(m).</math> By shrinking <math display="inline">|T_Y|</math> if necessary, this relation is already satisfied if <math display="inline">m \in |T_{l+1}| \cap |T_Y|</math> and <math display="inline">\pi_{l+1}(m) \in |T_Y|</math> with <math display="inline">T_{l+1}</math> in place of <math display="inline">T_{X,Y}</math> and <math display="inline">\pi_{l+1}</math> in place of <math display="inline">\pi_{X,Y}</math>. By the definition, if <math display="inline">m \in |T_{l+1}|</math> then there exists <math display="inline">Z < X</math> with <math display="inline">\dim Z > l</math>, <math display="inline">m \in |T_Z|</math> and <math display="inline">\pi_{l+1}(m) \in |T_Z|</math>. We have that <math display="inline">\pi_{l+1}(m) \in |T_Y| \cap |T_Z|</math> and therefore <math display="inline">Y < Z</math>. Therefore<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 490.</ref> <math display="block">\rho_Y \pi_{l+1}(m) = \rho_Y \pi_Z \pi_{l+1}(m) = \rho_Y \pi_Z(m) = \rho_Y(m),</math> <math display="block">\pi_Y \pi_{l+1}(m) = \pi_Y \pi_Z \pi_{l+1}(m) = \pi_Y \pi_Z(m) = \pi_Y(m).</math> We can prove that, by shrinking <math display="inline">|T_Y|</math>, <math display="inline">(\rho_Y, \pi_Y): |T_Y| \cap X \to \R \times Y</math> is a submersion [prop 7.3?] and that <math display="inline">T_{X,Y}</math> is compatible with <math display="inline">(\rho_Y, \pi_Y): |T_Y| \cap X_{l+1} \to \R \times Y</math>, i.e. <math display="inline">(\rho_Y, \pi_Y) \pi_{X,Y}(m) = (\rho_Y, \pi_Y)(m)</math>(?). To prove it is a submersion, for the tubular neighbourhood <math display="inline">T = (E, \epsilon, \psi)</math> there exists a smooth positive function <math display="inline">\epsilon'</math> such that <math display="block">(\rho_T, \pi_T): Y \cap |T|_{\epsilon'}^0 \to \R \times X,</math> where <math display="inline">|T|_{\epsilon'}^0 = \psi(B_\epsilon \cap B_{\epsilon'})</math>, is a submersion. If <math display="inline">\Sigma</math> is the set <math display="inline">y \in |T|</math> such that the rank of <math display="block">(\rho_T, \pi_T): T \cap |T| \to \R \times X</math> at <math display="inline">y</math> is less than <math display="inline">\dim(\R \times X)</math>. We need to prove that for any <math display="inline">x \in X</math> there exists a neighbourhood of <math display="inline">x</math> which does not intersect with <math display="inline">\Sigma</math>, i.e. the map is not a submersion in this neighbourhood. It follows from [lemma 7.2] that it is enough to prove for <math display="inline">M = \R^m</math>, <math display="inline">X = \R^{m-c} \times 0_c</math> and <math display="inline">T</math> is the '''standard tubular neighbourhood'''.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 489.</ref> By standard tubular neighbourhood, we mean the trivial bundle with base <math display="inline">\R^{m-c}</math> and fibre <math display="inline">\R^c</math> where <math display="inline">\pi: \R^m \to \R^{m-c}</math>...<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 488.</ref> For <math display="inline">y \in |T| - \R^{m-c}</math>, the kernal of the differential of <math display="inline">(\pi_T, \rho_T)</math> at <math display="inline">y</math> is the orthogonal complement of <math display="inline">(\R^{m-c} \times 0_c) \oplus \stackrel{\frown}{y \pi_T(y)}</math> in <math display="inline">\R^m</math>. By the Whitney conditions, we have that for <math display="inline">y</math> near <math display="inline">\R^{m-c}</math>, <math display="inline">(\R^{m-c} \times 0_c) \oplus \stackrel{\frown}{y \pi_T(y)}</math> is close to the set of <math display="inline">m - c + 1</math> planes in <math display="inline">m-</math>space to an <math display="inline">m - c + 1</math> plane in <math display="inline">TY_y</math>. Therefore, for <math display="inline">y</math> near enough to <math display="inline">\R^{m-c}</math>, <math display="inline">TY_y</math> is transverse to the kernal of the differential of <math display="inline">(\pi_T, \rho_T)</math> and, therefore, is a submersion when restricted to <math display="inline">Y</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 489.</ref> To prove that <math display="inline">T_{X,Y}</math> is compatible with <math display="inline">(\rho_Y, \pi_Y): |T_Y| \cap X_{l+1} \to \R \times Y</math>...<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 490.</ref> Therefore, there exists a tubular neighbourhood <math display="inline">T_0</math> of <math display="inline">X_0</math> satisfying <math display="block">\rho_Y \pi_0(m) = \rho_Y(m),</math> <math display="block">\pi_Y \pi_0(m) = \pi_Y(m).</math> From this we can prove that <math display="inline">T_0</math> is compatible with <math display="inline">h</math>. Replacing <math display="inline">T_0</math> with a smaller tubular neighbourhood if necessary we can assume <math display="inline">m \in |T_0|</math> such that for some <math display="inline">Y < X</math>, <math display="inline">m \in |T_Y|</math> and <math display="inline">\pi_0(m) \in |T_Y|</math>, then<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 490.</ref> <math display="block">h \pi_0(m) = h \pi_Y \pi_0(m) = h \pi_Y(m) = h(m).</math> By the generalised tubular neighourhood theorem [prop 7.2?], we can replace <math display="inline">T_0</math> with a tubular neighbourhood <math display="inline">T</math> of <math display="inline">X</math> compatible with <math display="inline">h</math>. This completes the construction of <math display="inline">T_X</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 491.</ref> This makes <math display="inline">Z</math> an '''abstract stratified set''' with axioms...<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 491-492.</ref> This also makes <math display="inline">h</math> a '''controlled submersion''' because # <math display="inline">h|X: X \to \R</math> is a smooth submersion on each strata <math display="inline">X</math> of <math display="inline">Z</math>, and # for each stratum <math display="inline">X</math> there is a tubular neighbourhood <math display="inline">T'_X</math> such that <math display="inline">h(v) = h \pi_X(v)</math> for all <math display="inline">v \in T'_X</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 493.</ref> The core of this is the concept of a '''vector field'''. A vector field is a function which assigns, for each point <math display="inline">p</math> in a space, a '''vector''', which can be represented by an arrow whose tail starts at <math display="inline">p</math>.<ref>Henle 1979, pp. 33.</ref> [picture] Imagine we have a vector field <math display="inline">v(x)</math> defined in a space and draw a line through our space. At each point along this line the vector field assigns a vector. If we move each point in this line along the arrow defined by this vector in the direction of the arrow head. This "flows" the entire line along the vectors. [picture] We define a '''stratified vector field''' <math display="inline">\eta</math> on <math display="inline">Z</math> to be a family of smooth vector fields <math display="inline">\eta_X</math>, one for each strata <math display="inline">X</math> of <math display="inline">Z</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 493.</ref> We define a '''controlled vector field''' <math display="inline">\eta</math> on <math display="inline">Z</math> to be a stratified vector field such that for any strata <math display="inline">Y</math> there exists a tubular neighbourhood <math display="inline">T'_Y</math> such that for any <math display="inline">X > Y</math> and any <math display="inline">v \in T'_X \cap X</math><ref>Mather 2012, pp. 493.</ref> <math display="block">\eta_X \rho_{Y,X}(v) = 0,</math> <math display="block">(\pi_{Y,X})_* \eta_X(v) = \eta_Y (\pi_{Y,X}(v)).</math> We prove that if <math display="inline">h</math> is a controlled submersion then, for any smooth vector field <math display="inline">\zeta</math> on <math display="inline">\R</math> there is a controlled vector field <math display="inline">\eta</math> on <math display="inline">Z</math> such that <math display="inline">h_* \eta(v) = \zeta(h(v))</math> for all <math display="inline">v \in Z</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 493.</ref> Proceeding by induction on the maximum dimension of the strata of <math display="inline">Z</math>, we define <math display="inline">Z_k</math> to be the union of strata of <math display="inline">Z</math> of dimension at most <math display="inline">k</math>. The tubular neighbourhood of <math display="inline">Z_k</math> is the intersection of the tubular neighbourhoods of each strata in <math display="inline">Z_k</math> with <math display="inline">Z</math>. The projection and distance functions are the restrictions of the respective functions of <math display="inline">Z</math>. It is trivially true when the maximum dimension of strata in <math display="inline">Z</math> is zero. Assume it is true for <math display="inline">k</math> and construct each <math display="inline">\eta_X</math> separately for each stratum <math display="inline">X</math> of dimension <math display="inline">k + 1</math>. By the assumption that we have controlled vector fields for all strata <math display="inline">Y</math> of dimension at most <math display="inline">k</math>, we have the two control conditions defined above for any <math display="inline">X > Y</math> and that there is a neighbourhood <math display="inline">T^1_Y</math> such that <math display="inline">h(v) = h \pi_Y(v)</math> for <math display="inline">v \in T^1_Y</math>. We want to prove that for all <math display="inline">Y < X</math>, the control conditions are satisfied for all <math display="inline">v \in T^2_Y</math> and that <math display="inline">h_*\eta_X(v) = \zeta(v)</math> for all <math display="inline">v \in X</math>. Take a point <math display="inline">x \in X</math> and define the set <math display="inline">S_v</math> of strata <math display="inline">Y < X</math> such that <math display="inline">v \in T^2_Y</math>. <math display="inline">S_v</math> is totally ordered since if <math display="inline">Y_1</math> and <math display="inline">Y_2</math> are not comparable then <math display="inline">T^2_{Y_1} \cap T^2_{Y_2} = \empty</math>. Therefore, there is a largest member <math display="inline">Y = Y_v</math>. Assume the control conditions hold for <math display="inline">Y = Y_v</math>. Then they hold for all <math display="inline">Y_i \in S_v</math>. For, either <math display="inline">Y_i = Y</math> or <math display="inline">Y_i < Y</math>. In the latter case, <math display="inline">\pi_Y(v) \in T^1_{Y_i}</math> (by the choice of <math display="inline">T^2_Y</math>'s [is this why?]. Then <math display="block">\begin{align} \eta_X(v) \rho_{Y_i,X}(v) &= \eta_X \rho_{Y_i,Y} \pi_{Y,X}(v) \\ &= (\pi_{Y,X})_* \eta_X(v) \rho_{Y_i,Y} \\ &= \eta_Y(\pi_{Y,X}(v)) \rho_{Y_i,Y} \\ &= 0 \end{align}</math> and <math display="block">\begin{align} (\pi_{Y_i,X})_* \eta_X(v) &= (\pi_{Y_i,Y})_* (\pi_{Y,X})_* \eta_X(v) \\ &= (\pi_{Y_i,Y})_* \eta_Y(v) (\pi_{Y,X}) \\ &= \eta_{Y_i}(\pi_{Y_i,Y} \pi_{Y,X}(v)) \\ &= \eta_{Y_i}(\pi_{Y_i,X}(v)) \end{align}</math> and, therefore, condition holds for all <math display="inline">Y_i \in S_v</math>. Also, <math display="block">\begin{align} h_* \eta_X(v) &= (h \circ \pi_{Y,X})_* \eta_X(v) \\ &= h_* \eta_Y (\pi_{Y,X}(v)) \\ &= \zeta(f(v)) \end{align}</math> and, therefore, the conclusion of the theorem holds at <math display="inline">v</math>. This shows we can construct <math display="inline">\eta_X</math> satisfying the control conditions when <math display="inline">S_v</math> is non-empty and satisfying the theorem when <math display="inline">S_v</math> is empty. The set of vectors satisfying these conditions is convex in <math display="inline">TX_v</math>, and so we construct <math display="inline">\eta_X</math> globally via a partition of unity.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 493-495.</ref> Finally, we prove that a controlled vector field has a unique one-parameter family of homeomorphisms of <math display="inline">Z</math> which commute with <math display="inline">h</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, this combines Proposition 10.1 and Corollary 10.2 on pp. 496 and 497, respectively.</ref> For each stratum <math display="inline">X</math> of <math display="inline">Z</math>, <math display="inline">\eta_X</math> generates a unique smooth local one-parameter group <math display="inline">(J_X, \alpha_X)</math> of diffeomorphisms of <math display="inline">X</math> (by standard results of differential geometry), such that <math display="inline">\frac{d}{dt} \alpha(t, v)|_{t=0} = \eta_X(v)</math>, <math display="inline">J_X</math> is an open subset of <math display="inline">\R \times Z</math>, ... If we define <math display="inline">(J, \alpha)</math> by <math display="block">J = \bigcup_{X \in S} J_X</math> <math display="block">\alpha = \bigcup_{X \in S} \alpha_X</math> we can prove that this is a local one-parameter family of homeomorphisms.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 496.</ref> Firstly, it is clear that # <math display="inline">0 \times Z \subseteq J</math> and <math display="inline">\alpha(0, v) = v</math> for all <math display="inline">v \in Z</math>. # If <math display="inline">v \in Z</math> then <math display="inline">J_v = J \cap (\R \times v) \subseteq \R</math> is an open interval <math display="inline">(a_v, b_v)</math>, possibly infinite at one or both ends. # If <math display="inline">v \in Z</math> and <math display="inline">t, s, t + s</math> are in <math display="inline">(a_v, b_v)</math> then <math display="inline">\alpha(t + s, v) = \alpha(t, \alpha(s, v))</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 495.</ref> Secondly, it is clear that <math display="inline">\eta</math> generates <math display="inline">\alpha</math> because # Each stratum <math display="inline">X</math> of <math display="inline">Z</math> is invariant under <math display="inline">\alpha</math>, i.e. <math display="inline">\alpha[J \cap (\R \times X)] \subseteq X</math>. # For each <math display="inline">v \in Z</math>, the map <math display="inline">t \to \alpha(t, v)</math> of <math display="inline">(a_v, b_v)</math> into the stratum which contains <math display="inline">v</math> is <math display="inline">C^1</math>. # For any <math display="inline">(t, v) \in Z</math>(?) we have <math display="inline">d/dt \alpha(t, v) = \eta(\alpha(t, v))</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 495.</ref> It is unique because each <math display="inline">(J_X, \alpha_X)</math> is unique. We just need to prove that <math display="inline">J</math> is open, <math display="inline">\alpha</math> is continuous, and for any <math display="inline">v \in Z</math> and any compact set <math display="inline">K \subseteq Z</math> there exists <math display="inline">\epsilon > 0</math> such that <math display="inline">\alpha(t, v) \notin K</math> if <math display="inline">t \in (a_v, a_v + \epsilon) \cup (b_v - \epsilon, b_v)</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 495.</ref> For the latter-most condition, if it did not hold then there exists...<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 496-497.</ref> We prove there is a homeomorphism <math display="inline">f: Z \to h^{-1}(0) \times \R</math> such that <math display="inline">\pi \circ f = h</math>, where <math display="inline">\pi: h^{-1}(0) \times \R \to \R</math> is projection to the second factor. For the coordinate vector field <math display="inline">\partial</math> on <math display="inline">\R</math>, by [prop 9.1] there is a controlled vector field <math display="inline">\tilde\partial</math> such that <math display="inline">f_* \tilde\partial(v) = \partial(h(v))</math> for <math display="inline">v \in Z</math>. By [prop 10.1], <math display="inline">\tilde\partial</math> generates a local one-parameter group <math display="inline">(J, \alpha)</math> such that <math display="block">h(\alpha(t,v)) = h(v) + t</math> <math display="inline">h</math> is proper and [d] holds, so <math display="inline">J = \R \times Z</math>. If we define <math display="inline">f</math> as <math display="block">f(v) = (\alpha(-t, v), h(v))</math> then <math display="inline">f</math> maps <math display="inline">Z</math> into <math display="inline">h^{-1}(0) \times \R</math> and <math display="inline">\pi \circ f = h</math>. If we define <math display="inline">\bar f: h^{-1}(0) \times \R \to Z</math> as <math display="block">\bar f(v, t) = \alpha(t, v)</math> then <math display="inline">f \bar f = \bar f f = Id</math> and <math display="inline">f</math> is a homeomorphism.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 497.</ref> == Topology at critical points == Theorem: If there is a critical point <math display="inline">p</math> in the singular variety <math display="inline">\mathcal{V}</math> with critical value <math display="inline">v \in (a, b)</math> then the space <math display="inline">X_{\leq b}</math> is homotopic to<ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, pp. 174.</ref> <math display="block">X_{\leq a} \cup [(D^{\lambda+1}, \partial D^{\lambda+1}) \times (\mathcal{L}_X, \partial \mathcal{L}_X)].</math> Proof:<ref>Proof outline comes from Goresky and MacPherson 1988, pp. 174.</ref> # <math display="inline">(X_{\leq b}, X_{\leq a})</math> is homeomorphic to <math display="inline">(X_{\leq v + \epsilon}, X_{\leq v -\epsilon})</math>. We can prove this by "moving wall" or Thom's Isotopy Lemma.<ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, pp. 90-91, 120.</ref> # <math display="inline">X_{\leq v + \epsilon}</math> is homeomorphic to <math display="inline">X_{\leq v - \epsilon} \cup (J, K)</math>, where the latter is the local Morse data for <math display="inline">h</math> at <math display="inline">p</math>. We do this by moving the wall...<ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, pp. 95-96, 120-121.</ref> # <math display="inline">(J, K)</math> is homeomorphic to <math display="inline">(D^{\lambda+1}, \partial D^{\lambda+1}) \times (\mathcal{L}_X, \partial \mathcal{L}_X)</math> (tangential data, normal data). Again, moving the wall...<ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, pp. 65-66, chapter 8, 121.</ref> # The normal Morse data depends only on the differential <math display="inline">df(p)</math>.<ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, pp. 93.</ref> # The normal Morse data has the homotopy type of <math display="inline">(\mathcal{L}_X, \partial \mathcal{L}_X)</math>.<ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, pp. 169.</ref> === Step 1 === We get this immediately(?) by Thom's Isotopy Lemma. === Step 2 === <ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, complex case on pp. 120-121 is extension of real case on pp. 95-96.</ref> We take our space <math display="inline">M</math> and map it onto <math display="inline">\R^2</math> with the map <math display="inline">F(z) = (r(z), h(z))</math>, where <math display="inline">z \in M</math> and <math display="inline">r</math> is the square of the distance of <math display="inline">z</math> to the critical point <math display="inline">p</math>. [graph of mapping] What we want is a homeomorphism in <math display="inline">M</math> between the space <math display="inline">Z_{\leq \epsilon}</math> and <math display="inline">Z_{\leq \epsilon} \cup B</math>, where <math display="inline">B</math> is a small region of the critical point <math display="inline">p</math>. The '''local Morse data''' is <math display="block">((B_\delta \cap Z) \cap f^{-1}[v-\epsilon, v+\epsilon], (B_\delta \cap Z) \cap f^{-1}(v-\epsilon))</math> where <math display="inline">B_\delta</math> is a closed disc in <math display="inline">M</math> of radius <math display="inline">\delta</math>.<ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, pp. 63-64.</ref> [picture of the two subspaces of Z in M] We use our map <math display="inline">F</math> to convert these two subspaces to subspaces of <math display="inline">\R^2</math> which are of the form <math display="inline">Y_1 = \{(x,y) \in \R^2 | y \leq \epsilon\}</math> and <math display="inline">Y_0 = \{(x,y) \in \R^2 | y \leq -\epsilon\} \cup \{(x,y) \in \R^2 | x \leq \delta, y \leq \epsilon\}</math>, such that <math display="inline">Z_{\leq \epsilon} = F^{-1}(Y_1)</math> and <math display="inline">Z_{\leq \epsilon} \cup B = F^{-1}(Y_0)</math>.<ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, pp. 95-96.</ref> We use a homeomorphism between <math display="inline">Y_1</math> and <math display="inline">Y_0</math> using the technique of "moving the wall" and Thom's Isotopy Lemma.<ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, chapter 4, particularly pp. 71-72.</ref> For the composition <math display="block">Z \times \R \subset M \times \R \to_{F \times I} Y \subset \R^2 \times \R \to_{\pi} \R</math> where <math display="inline">Y(t, z) = Y_t(z)</math>, <math display="inline">I</math> is the identity and <math display="inline">\pi</math> is projection to the second factor. <math display="inline">Z \times \R</math> is transverse to <math display="inline">(F \times I)^{-1}(Y)</math>... The composition <math display="inline">\pi \circ (F \times I): Z \times \R \cap (F \times I)^{-1}(Y) \to \R</math> is a stratified submersion... Therefore, we can apply Thom's Isotopy Lemma which says there is a homeomorphism between the level sets of <math display="inline">Z \times \R</math>...<ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, pp. 72.</ref> == Step 3 == == Morse theory == Steps(?) * Explain topology * Every point of a stratum is locally like a product structure (proved by Thom's Isotopy Lemma) [GM pp. 41-42] ** Including those around critical points, which are the product of normal and tangential Morse data (these are our quasi-local cycles?) * Thom's Isotopy Lemma proves a strong deformation retraction (which only stops at critical points) [PWM pp. 541-542] === Homotopy === We want to replace our domain of convergence <math display="inline">M</math>, which is the complement of our singular variety <math display="inline">\mathcal{V}</math>, with an "equivalent" space <math display="inline">M'</math> which has better understood properties. We say "equivalent" because there are several different things we could mean by "equivalent" in this context. The equivalence we are referring to in this section is called '''homotopy'''. Imagine two subspaces <math display="inline">\gamma_0</math> and <math display="inline">\gamma_1</math> of a space <math display="inline">Y</math> which are defined respectively by smooth functions <math display="inline">f, g: X \to Y</math>. If there exists a smooth function <math display="inline">h_s: X \times [0, 1] \to Y</math>, called a homotopy, such that <math display="inline">h_0 = f</math>, <math display="inline">h_1 = g</math> and for any <math display="inline">\epsilon > 0</math> there exists a <math display="inline">\delta_a</math> and <math display="inline">\delta_b</math> such that when <math display="inline">|s - s_0| < \delta_a</math> and <math display="inline">|x - x_0| < \delta_b</math> we have <math display="inline">|h_s(x) - h_{s_0}(x_0)| < \epsilon</math>, then we say <math display="inline">\gamma_0</math> and <math display="inline">\gamma_1</math> are '''homotopic'''.<ref>Henle 1979, pp. 251-252.</ref> Below is an example where <math display="inline">\gamma_0</math> and <math display="inline">\gamma_1</math> are one-dimensional curves and <math display="inline">H(t, s) = h_s(t)</math>. [[File:Homotopy_curves.png|300px]] In [[#Homotopy_equivalence|Appendix A]], we formally prove that we can construct an equivalent space <math display="inline">M'</math>. We provide only an example to give some intuition before describing how to construct the space <math display="inline">M'</math> in terms of local cycles around critical points. === Motivating example === Imagine a torus and a height function which is just the z value of the point. [[File:3D-Leveltorus.png|200px]] It has four critical points: two at the top and bottom of the outer circle (<math display="inline">p_1, p_4</math>) and two at the top and bottom of the inner circle (<math display="inline">p_2, p_3</math>). [picture] When the height is between the <math display="inline">p_1</math> and <math display="inline">p_2</math>, the space is a two-cell, which can be retracted to a point. [picture] When the height is between <math display="inline">p_2</math> and <math display="inline">p_3</math>, the space is a cylinder, which can be retracted to a two-cell with a one-cell attached. [[File:3D-Cylinder_and_disk_with_handle.png|200px]] When the height is between <math display="inline">p_3</math> and <math display="inline">p_4</math>, the space is a torus with a disc removed, which can be retracted to a cylinder with a one-cell attached. [[File:3D-Cylinder_with_handle_and_torus_with_hole.png|200px]] When the height is greater than <math display="inline">p_4</math>, then the full torus is constructed by attaching a two-cell. [Explain in terms of Morse data and Morse index?] === Morse data and quasi-local cycles === As in the above example, we start at the "bottom" of <math display="inline">M</math> and build upwards until just before we reach our first critical point <math display="inline">p</math>. ;Smooth points :This is a tube around a <math display="inline">(d-1)</math>-chain <math display="inline">\gamma</math> where the height function <math display="inline">h</math> is maximised at <math display="inline">p</math>.<ref>Pemantle, Wilson and Melczer 2024, pp. 223.</ref> :For example, if <math display="inline">F(x, y) = \frac{1}{1 - x - y}</math> then <math display="inline">\lambda = 1</math> and <math display="inline">B^\lambda</math> is an arc reaching its highest point at <math display="inline">p</math>. :The normal plane <math display="inline">N</math> at <math display="inline">p</math> is a plane orthogonal to <math display="inline">B^1</math>(?). :Its normal link <math display="inline">L(S)</math> is a circle with two points missing where it intersects <math display="inline">\mathcal{V}</math>. :We make our quasi-local cycle out of the product of the arc and circle joined to <math display="inline">M_-</math> at points below <math display="inline">M_-</math>. :With the exception of degenerate points, such as monkey saddles...<ref>e.g. Pemantle, Wilson and Melczer 2024, pp. 211.</ref> ;Transverse multiple points :This is the product of a <math display="inline">k</math>-torus and a <math display="inline">(d-k)</math>-chain <math display="inline">\gamma</math>. The torus is the product of circles about <math display="inline">p</math> in the complex normal space to each strata which intersects <math display="inline">p</math>. The chain <math display="inline">\gamma</math> is supported in the stratum which is the common intersection of the varieties defined by the factors vanishing at <math display="inline">p</math>, and achieves its maximum height at <math display="inline">p</math>.<ref>Pemantle, Wilson and Melczer 2024, pp. 223-224.</ref> ;Arrangement multiple point :This is the product of a <math display="inline">(d-k)</math>-chain <math display="inline">\gamma</math> and several <math display="inline">k</math>-tori, one for each pair of sheets which intersect transversely, where the torus is the product of circles about <math display="inline">p</math> in each sheet.<ref>Pemantle, Wilson and Melczer 2024, pp. 226.</ref> ;Cone point :A cone point is zero-dimensional so there is no <math display="inline">\gamma</math>, just a <math display="inline">d</math>-torus about <math display="inline">p</math>.<ref>Pemantle, Wilson and Melczer 2024, pp. 227.</ref> == Appendix == === Homotopy equivalence === [Assuming no CVAI...] Theorem: # Homotopy equivalence between M_{\leq a} and M_{\leq b}... # If in a range <math display="inline">[a, b]</math> there are no CVAI and only one critical value <math display="inline">c</math>, not equal to either <math display="inline">a</math> or <math display="inline">b</math>, with one or more critical points <math display="inline">z_1, \cdots, z_m</math> then there is a stratified flow deforming any chain in <math display="inline">M</math> to a (homotopic?) chain in the union of <math display="inline">M_{<c}</math> with sufficiently small balls around each critical point. This induces a homotopy between <math display="inline">(M_{c+\epsilon}, M_{c-\epsilon})</math> and the direct sum of <math display="inline">(M_{c-\epsilon} \cup B_{2\epsilon}(z_i), M_{c-\epsilon})</math> for each critical point <math display="inline">z_i</math>.<ref>Pemantle, Wilson and Melczer 2024, pp. 231.</ref> The core of this is the concept of a '''vector field'''. A vector field is a function which assigns, for each point <math display="inline">p</math> in a space, a '''vector''', which can be represented by an arrow whose tail starts at <math display="inline">p</math>.<ref>Henle 1979, pp. 33.</ref> [picture] Imagine we have a vector field <math display="inline">v(x)</math> defined in a space and draw a line through our space. At each point along this line the vector field assigns a vector. If we move each point in this line along the arrow defined by this vector in the direction of the arrow head. This "flows" the entire line along the vectors. We can (potentially) define a function to implement this flow. Define <math display="inline">\Phi(x, t)</math> where <math display="inline">x</math> are points in the space and <math display="inline">t</math> is something like time. As <math display="inline">t</math> goes from zero to some positive number, <math display="inline">\Phi</math> moves the points <math display="inline">x</math> along the vectors. To describe this process formally, we say <math display="inline">\Phi</math> is the solution to the differential equation <math display="block">\frac{d}{dt} \Phi(x, t) = v(x).</math> We want a particular vector field <math display="inline">v</math> with certain properties... The proof of the existence of this vector field is long and complicated and we will not go into it here.<ref>It involves concepts such as Thom's isotopy lemma and Mather's controlled vector flows. See Mather 2012.</ref> Using this vector field <math display="inline">v</math> but modified so as to be zero on <math display="inline">M_{\leq a}</math>. This vector field defines a function <math display="inline">\Phi(x, t)</math> such that * <math display="inline">d/dt \Phi(x, t) = v(x)</math> when <math display="inline">h(x) \in (a, b]</math>. * <math display="inline">\Phi(x, t)</math> is defined for <math display="inline">0 \leq t \leq h(x) - a</math> and in this range <math display="inline">h(\Phi(x, t)) = h(x) - t</math>. * the map <math display="inline">\psi(x) = \Phi(x, b - a)</math> is a continuous map on <math display="inline">M_{\leq b}</math> with range (image?) <math display="inline">M_{\leq a}</math> and fixing <math display="inline">M_{\leq a}</math>. The function <math display="inline">\Phi(x, 0)</math> is the identity on <math display="inline">M_{\leq b}</math> and <math display="inline">\Phi(x, b - a) = \psi(x)</math>, therefore <math display="inline">\Phi</math> in the range <math display="inline">[0, b - a]</math> is a homotopy between the identity on <math display="inline">M_{\leq b}</math> and <math display="inline">\psi</math>. This implies 1)???<ref>Pemantle, Wilson and Melczer 2024, pp. 233.</ref> Define the distance from a critical point <math display="inline">\kappa(x) = \min\{ |x - z_i| : z_1, \cdots, z_m \}</math>. For <math display="inline">s > 0 </math> we define a new vector field <math display="block">v_s(x) = \begin{cases} v(x) & \kappa(x) \geq s \\ \rho(\kappa(x)) v(x) & \kappa(x) \in [s/2, s] \\ 0 & \kappa(x) \leq s/2 \end{cases}</math> for a smooth non-decreasing function <math display="inline">\rho</math> where <math display="inline">\rho(s/2) = 0</math>. Define <math display="inline">\Phi_s</math> as the function such that <math display="inline">d/dt \Phi(x, t)_s = v_s(x)</math>. The height function <math display="inline">h</math> is non-increasing along <math display="inline">\Phi_s</math> (by implication of bullet point 2?) so points in <math display="inline">M_{\leq c-\epsilon}</math> stay in <math display="inline">M_{\leq c - \epsilon}</math> when flowed along <math display="inline">\Phi_s</math> and therefore <math display="inline">\Phi_s</math> is a homotopy equivalence between <math display="inline">(M_{\leq c+\epsilon}, M_{\leq c-\epsilon})</math> and <math display="inline">(\Phi(M_{\leq c+\epsilon}, 2\epsilon), M_{\leq c-\epsilon})</math>. By <math display="inline">\Phi(M_{\leq c+\epsilon}, 2\epsilon)</math> we mean the space <math display="inline">M_{\leq c+\epsilon}</math> flowed along <math display="inline">\Phi(x, t)</math> for a short period of time <math display="inline">2\epsilon</math>. [Prove it has the same critical points and is proper?] <math display="inline">\Phi(M_{\leq c+\epsilon}, 2\epsilon)</math> takes points in <math display="inline">M_{\leq c+\epsilon}</math> to <math display="inline">M_{\leq c-\epsilon}</math> except for those that come within <math display="inline">s</math> of a critical point within time <math display="inline">2\epsilon</math>. Therefore, we see how we <math display="inline">\Phi_s</math> can homotopically deform a chain in <math display="inline">M_{\leq c+\epsilon}</math> to a chain in the union of <math display="inline">M_{\leq c-\epsilon}</math> and small neighbourhoods of critical points.<ref>Pemantle, Wilson and Melczer 2024, pp. 234-235.</ref> On the assumption of this theorem, we can start with any chain in <math display="inline">M</math> and deform this chain to <math display="inline">M_{c_1+}</math> using part 1. Then we deform this chain to a chain in the union of <math display="inline">M_{c_1-}</math> and small balls around the critical points. The (sub?)chain in <math display="inline">M_{c_1-}</math> is then deformed to a chain in <math display="inline">M_{c_2+}</math>, which is deformed to a chain in <math display="inline">M_{c_2-} \cup z_{c_2}</math>, and so on. Eventually, we get to <math display="inline">M_{c_j-}</math> which is homotopic to any space "below" it. Therefore, we have deformed our chain in <math display="inline">M</math> to a homotopic chain in the union of small balls around critical points.<ref>Baryshnikov, Melczer and Pemantle 2022, pp. ???.</ref><ref>Pemantle, Wilson and Melczer 2024, pp. 217???</ref> [Direct sum of homology generators for relative cycles] == Notes == {{Reflist}} == References == * {{citation | last1=Baryshnikov | first1=Yuliy | last2=Melczer | first2=Stephen | last3=Pemantle | first3=Robin | title=Stationary Points at Infinity for Analytic Combinatorics | year=2022 | journal=Foundations of Computational Mathematics | volume=22 | number=5 | pages=1631-1664 | url=https://www2.math.upenn.edu/~pemantle/papers/SPAI-published-version.pdf }}. * {{cite book | last1=Goresky | first1=Mark | last2=MacPherson | first2=Robert | title=Stratified Morse Theory | publisher=Springer-Verlag | year=1988 | url=https://www.math.ias.edu/~goresky/pdf/SMT.djvu }} * {{cite book | last=Henle | first1=Michael | title=A Combinatorial Introduction to Topology | publisher=Dover Publications Inc. New York | year=1979 }} * {{citation | last=Mather | first=John | title=Notes on Topological Stability | year=2012 | journal=Bulletin of the American Mathematical Society | volume=49 | number=4 | pages=475-506 | url=https://www.ams.org/journals/bull/2012-49-04/S0273-0979-2012-01383-6/S0273-0979-2012-01383-6.pdf }}. * {{cite book | last1=Pemantle | first1=Robin | last2=Wilson | first2=Mark C. | last3=Melczer | first3=Stephen | title=Analytic Combinatorics in Several Variables | publisher=Cambridge University Press | year=2024 | edition=2nd | url=https://acsvproject.com/PemantleWilsonMelczer23.pdf }} ij57mnw26e14mdcmqdxzr6h0k4vbo70 4671644 4671643 2026-09-21T18:11:39Z Dom walden 3209423 /* Step 3 */ wrong level 4671644 wikitext text/x-wiki == Introduction == Morse theory tells us that the topology of M only changes at its critical points. The "Morse data" tells us the topology at each critical point. Attaching this Morse data together gives us a space which is homopotically eqivalent to M. This space is a "cell complex", which has an easy to calculate homology. Theorem: Our domain of convergence is homotopic to a cell complex of dimension at most <math display="inline">2n - d - 1</math>.<ref>This is theorem D.23 in Pemantle, Wilson and Melczer 2024, pp. 546. Also theorem in section 1.2*/5.2* in SMT pp. 200.</ref> Proof: # <math display="inline">X</math> is our entire domain, <math display="inline">\mathcal{V}</math> our variety # Project our entire domain to complex projective space <math display="inline">Z = \pi(X) \subset \C\mathbb{P}^n - H</math> [define H] # Define a linear subspace <math display="inline">G \subset \C\mathbb{P}^n</math> of dimension <math display="inline">d - 1</math> # Define a Morse function on <math display="inline">f: \C\mathbb{P}^n \to \R</math> which approximates the distance from <math display="inline">G</math> and such that <math display="inline">f^{-1}(0) = G</math> and <math display="inline">f^{-1}(1) = H</math> # We "build" <math display="inline">X - \mathcal{V}</math> from <math display="inline">\pi^{-1}(G \cap Z) \cap (X - \mathcal{V})</math> by attaching CW complexes at critical points which are of at most dimension <math display="inline">2n - d - 1</math> # At a critical point, the normal Morse data is <math display="inline">(J, K) = \coprod_x (J_x, K_x)</math> and the relative complex link is <math display="inline">\mathcal{L}^\pi = \coprod_x \mathcal{L}_x</math> # We show that the quotient <math display="inline">J_x/K_x</math> is homotopic to a CW complex of dimension <math display="inline">\leq 2n - d - 1</math> # The neighbourhood of <math display="inline">x</math> in <math display="inline">J_x</math> is homeomorphic to the cone in <math display="inline">L_x(X - \mathcal{V})</math>, and removing the point <math display="inline">x</math> increases the homotopy dimension to at most the homotopy dimension of <math display="inline">L_x</math> # <math display="inline">(J_x \cup \{x\}, K_x)</math> is homotopic to <math display="inline">(\text{cone}(\mathcal{L}_x), \mathcal{L}_x)</math> # <math display="inline">\mathcal{L}_x</math> is homotopic to a CW complex of dimension at most <math display="inline">2n - d - 1</math> # The tangential Morse data at the critical point is homotopic to the pair <math display="inline">(D^\lambda, \partial D^\lambda)</math> # Therefore, at each critical point a space has been added homotopic to a CW complex of dimension at most <math display="inline">2n - d - 1</math>. Theorem: If <math display="inline">X</math> is the complement in <math display="inline">\C^n</math> of a complex variety <math display="inline">\mathcal{V}</math> of dimension <math display="inline">d</math> then <math display="inline">X</math> is homotopic to a CW complex of dimension at most <math display="inline">2n - d - 1</math>.<ref>Pemantle, Wilson and Melczer 2024, pp. 546.</ref> Proof: # We build <math display="inline">X</math> by attaching cells of dimension at most <math display="inline">2n - d - 1</math> at each critical point. ## Prove that we can do this without changing the homotopy(?) ## We use Thom's Isotopy Lemma to prove that there is a strong deformation retraction, stopping only at critical points. # Prove these cells are a product of the normal and tangential Morse data. ## Normal data: <math display="inline">(\mathcal{L}(S), \partial \mathcal{L}(S)) \times (D^1, \partial D^1)</math> [GM pp. 18] ## Tangential data: <math display="inline">(B_\delta \cap f^{-1}[v - \epsilon, v + \epsilon], B_\delta \cap f^{-1}(v - \epsilon))</math> for <math display="inline">f</math> restricted to <math display="inline">X</math> (or <math display="inline">\mathcal{V}</math>?) [GM pp. 63-64] # If <math display="inline">k</math> is the dimension of the strata, then ## If <math display="inline">k = d</math> then it is a smooth point and the cell is the product of <math display="inline">S^{2(n-d)-1}</math> and the tangential data is dimension at most <math display="inline">d</math>. ## If <math display="inline">k < d</math>, ... <ref>Pemantle, Wilson and Melczer 2024, pp. 547.</ref> == Example in one dimension == Domain with singularities v_1, v_2, ..., v_i Define our height function f... Start with our entire domain X Reduce from X to X_i+ by using Thom's Isotopy lemma to do a strong deformation retract == Thom's isotopy lemma == We present a modified version of Thom's (first) isotopy lemma, less general than the original but more obviously relevant to our situation. Theorem: Suppose <math display="inline">Z</math> is a closed subset of a smooth manifold <math display="inline">M</math> which admits a Whitney stratification and <math display="inline">h : M \to \R</math> is a proper Morse function which has no critical values on <math display="inline">Z</math>. Then, the level sets of <math display="inline">Z</math> are homeomorphic by a homeomorphism that preserves the strata of <math display="inline">Z</math>.<ref>For various versions of the full statement of the theorem, see Mather 2012, pp. 499, Goresky and MacPherson 1988, pp. 41, or Pemantle, Wilson and Melczer 2024, pp. 541.</ref> Proof: # Construct control data for <math display="inline">Z</math> compatible with <math display="inline">h</math>. ## [Prop 7.1] If <math display="inline">h</math> is smooth on <math display="inline">Z</math> and is a submersion for each strata then there exists a family of control data for <math display="inline">Z</math> compatible with <math display="inline">h</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 488.</ref> # This makes <math display="inline">Z</math> an abstract stratified set and <math display="inline">f</math> a controlled submersion. # A controlled submersion has, for any smooth vector field on <math display="inline">\R</math>, a controlled vector field on <math display="inline">Z</math> (a "lift"?)<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 493.</ref> # A controlled vector field has a unique one-parameter family of homeomorphisms of <math display="inline">Z</math> which commute with <math display="inline">h</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 496.</ref> # This makes <math display="inline">h</math> a locally trivial fibration. [Prop 10.2]<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 499.</ref> Control data: A system of '''control data''' for <math display="inline">Z</math> consists of, for each stratum <math display="inline">X</math> of <math display="inline">Z</math>, * a '''tubular neighbourhood''' <math display="inline">T_X</math> of <math display="inline">X</math> * a '''tubular projection function''' <math display="inline">\pi_X: T_X \to X</math>, and * a '''tubular distance function''' <math display="inline">\rho_X: T_X \to \R</math> such that <math display="inline">\rho_X^{-1}(0) = X</math><ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, pp. 42.</ref> [illustration] such that if <math display="inline">X < Y</math> are strata in <math display="inline">Z</math>, then <math display="block">\pi_X \pi_Y(m) = \pi_X(m),</math> <math display="block">\rho_X \pi_Y(m) = \rho_X(m)</math> for all <math display="inline">m \in |T_X| \cap |T_Y|</math> such that <math display="inline">\pi_Y(m) \in |T_X|</math>. If, for all strata <math display="inline">X</math> and all <math display="inline">m \in |T_X|</math>, we have <math display="inline">h \pi_X(m) = h(m)</math>, then this control data will be said to be compatible with <math display="inline">h</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 488.</ref> We prove that if <math display="inline">h</math> is smooth on <math display="inline">Z</math> and is a submersion for each strata then there exists a family of control data for <math display="inline">Z</math> compatible with <math display="inline">h</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 488, prop 7.1.</ref> Let <math display="inline">Z_k</math> be the union of strata of <math display="inline">Z</math> of dimension less than <math display="inline">k</math>. We prove by induction on <math display="inline">k</math>. To construct the tubular neighbourhood <math display="inline">T_X</math> of a stratum <math display="inline">X</math> of dimension less than <math display="inline">k</math>. For <math display="inline">l \leq k</math>, let <math display="inline">U_l</math> denote the union of all <math display="inline">|T_Y|</math> for <math display="inline">Y < X</math> and <math display="inline">\dim Y \geq l</math>. Let <math display="inline">X_l = U_l \cap X</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 489.</ref> For <math display="inline">l = k</math>, <math display="inline">X_k = \empty</math>. Assume by induction that <math display="inline">T_{l+1}</math> has been constructed and that if <math display="inline">Y < X</math>, <math display="inline">\dim Y \geq l + 1</math>, <math display="inline">m \in |T_{l+1}| \cap |T_Y|</math> and <math display="inline">\pi_{l+1}(m) \in |T_Y|</math> (<math display="inline">\pi_{l+1} = \pi_{T_{l+1}}</math>) then<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 489-490.</ref> <math display="block">\rho_Y \pi_{l+1}(m) = \rho_Y(m),</math> <math display="block">\pi_Y \pi_{l+1}(m) = \pi_Y(m).</math> We wish to construct a tubular neighbourhood <math display="inline">T_{X,Y}</math> of <math display="inline">|T_Y| \cap X</math> whose restriction to <math display="inline">|T_Y| \cap X_{l+1}</math> is isomorphic to the restriction of <math display="inline">T_{l+1}</math> such that if <math display="inline">m \in |T_{X,Y}| \cap |T_Y|</math> and <math display="inline">\pi_{X,Y}(m) \in |T_Y|</math> (<math display="inline">\pi_{X,Y} = \pi_{T_{X,Y}}</math>) then <math display="block">\rho_Y \pi_{X,Y}(m) = \rho_Y(m),</math> <math display="block">\pi_Y \pi_{X,Y}(m) = \pi_Y(m).</math> By shrinking <math display="inline">|T_Y|</math> if necessary, this relation is already satisfied if <math display="inline">m \in |T_{l+1}| \cap |T_Y|</math> and <math display="inline">\pi_{l+1}(m) \in |T_Y|</math> with <math display="inline">T_{l+1}</math> in place of <math display="inline">T_{X,Y}</math> and <math display="inline">\pi_{l+1}</math> in place of <math display="inline">\pi_{X,Y}</math>. By the definition, if <math display="inline">m \in |T_{l+1}|</math> then there exists <math display="inline">Z < X</math> with <math display="inline">\dim Z > l</math>, <math display="inline">m \in |T_Z|</math> and <math display="inline">\pi_{l+1}(m) \in |T_Z|</math>. We have that <math display="inline">\pi_{l+1}(m) \in |T_Y| \cap |T_Z|</math> and therefore <math display="inline">Y < Z</math>. Therefore<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 490.</ref> <math display="block">\rho_Y \pi_{l+1}(m) = \rho_Y \pi_Z \pi_{l+1}(m) = \rho_Y \pi_Z(m) = \rho_Y(m),</math> <math display="block">\pi_Y \pi_{l+1}(m) = \pi_Y \pi_Z \pi_{l+1}(m) = \pi_Y \pi_Z(m) = \pi_Y(m).</math> We can prove that, by shrinking <math display="inline">|T_Y|</math>, <math display="inline">(\rho_Y, \pi_Y): |T_Y| \cap X \to \R \times Y</math> is a submersion [prop 7.3?] and that <math display="inline">T_{X,Y}</math> is compatible with <math display="inline">(\rho_Y, \pi_Y): |T_Y| \cap X_{l+1} \to \R \times Y</math>, i.e. <math display="inline">(\rho_Y, \pi_Y) \pi_{X,Y}(m) = (\rho_Y, \pi_Y)(m)</math>(?). To prove it is a submersion, for the tubular neighbourhood <math display="inline">T = (E, \epsilon, \psi)</math> there exists a smooth positive function <math display="inline">\epsilon'</math> such that <math display="block">(\rho_T, \pi_T): Y \cap |T|_{\epsilon'}^0 \to \R \times X,</math> where <math display="inline">|T|_{\epsilon'}^0 = \psi(B_\epsilon \cap B_{\epsilon'})</math>, is a submersion. If <math display="inline">\Sigma</math> is the set <math display="inline">y \in |T|</math> such that the rank of <math display="block">(\rho_T, \pi_T): T \cap |T| \to \R \times X</math> at <math display="inline">y</math> is less than <math display="inline">\dim(\R \times X)</math>. We need to prove that for any <math display="inline">x \in X</math> there exists a neighbourhood of <math display="inline">x</math> which does not intersect with <math display="inline">\Sigma</math>, i.e. the map is not a submersion in this neighbourhood. It follows from [lemma 7.2] that it is enough to prove for <math display="inline">M = \R^m</math>, <math display="inline">X = \R^{m-c} \times 0_c</math> and <math display="inline">T</math> is the '''standard tubular neighbourhood'''.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 489.</ref> By standard tubular neighbourhood, we mean the trivial bundle with base <math display="inline">\R^{m-c}</math> and fibre <math display="inline">\R^c</math> where <math display="inline">\pi: \R^m \to \R^{m-c}</math>...<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 488.</ref> For <math display="inline">y \in |T| - \R^{m-c}</math>, the kernal of the differential of <math display="inline">(\pi_T, \rho_T)</math> at <math display="inline">y</math> is the orthogonal complement of <math display="inline">(\R^{m-c} \times 0_c) \oplus \stackrel{\frown}{y \pi_T(y)}</math> in <math display="inline">\R^m</math>. By the Whitney conditions, we have that for <math display="inline">y</math> near <math display="inline">\R^{m-c}</math>, <math display="inline">(\R^{m-c} \times 0_c) \oplus \stackrel{\frown}{y \pi_T(y)}</math> is close to the set of <math display="inline">m - c + 1</math> planes in <math display="inline">m-</math>space to an <math display="inline">m - c + 1</math> plane in <math display="inline">TY_y</math>. Therefore, for <math display="inline">y</math> near enough to <math display="inline">\R^{m-c}</math>, <math display="inline">TY_y</math> is transverse to the kernal of the differential of <math display="inline">(\pi_T, \rho_T)</math> and, therefore, is a submersion when restricted to <math display="inline">Y</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 489.</ref> To prove that <math display="inline">T_{X,Y}</math> is compatible with <math display="inline">(\rho_Y, \pi_Y): |T_Y| \cap X_{l+1} \to \R \times Y</math>...<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 490.</ref> Therefore, there exists a tubular neighbourhood <math display="inline">T_0</math> of <math display="inline">X_0</math> satisfying <math display="block">\rho_Y \pi_0(m) = \rho_Y(m),</math> <math display="block">\pi_Y \pi_0(m) = \pi_Y(m).</math> From this we can prove that <math display="inline">T_0</math> is compatible with <math display="inline">h</math>. Replacing <math display="inline">T_0</math> with a smaller tubular neighbourhood if necessary we can assume <math display="inline">m \in |T_0|</math> such that for some <math display="inline">Y < X</math>, <math display="inline">m \in |T_Y|</math> and <math display="inline">\pi_0(m) \in |T_Y|</math>, then<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 490.</ref> <math display="block">h \pi_0(m) = h \pi_Y \pi_0(m) = h \pi_Y(m) = h(m).</math> By the generalised tubular neighourhood theorem [prop 7.2?], we can replace <math display="inline">T_0</math> with a tubular neighbourhood <math display="inline">T</math> of <math display="inline">X</math> compatible with <math display="inline">h</math>. This completes the construction of <math display="inline">T_X</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 491.</ref> This makes <math display="inline">Z</math> an '''abstract stratified set''' with axioms...<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 491-492.</ref> This also makes <math display="inline">h</math> a '''controlled submersion''' because # <math display="inline">h|X: X \to \R</math> is a smooth submersion on each strata <math display="inline">X</math> of <math display="inline">Z</math>, and # for each stratum <math display="inline">X</math> there is a tubular neighbourhood <math display="inline">T'_X</math> such that <math display="inline">h(v) = h \pi_X(v)</math> for all <math display="inline">v \in T'_X</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 493.</ref> The core of this is the concept of a '''vector field'''. A vector field is a function which assigns, for each point <math display="inline">p</math> in a space, a '''vector''', which can be represented by an arrow whose tail starts at <math display="inline">p</math>.<ref>Henle 1979, pp. 33.</ref> [picture] Imagine we have a vector field <math display="inline">v(x)</math> defined in a space and draw a line through our space. At each point along this line the vector field assigns a vector. If we move each point in this line along the arrow defined by this vector in the direction of the arrow head. This "flows" the entire line along the vectors. [picture] We define a '''stratified vector field''' <math display="inline">\eta</math> on <math display="inline">Z</math> to be a family of smooth vector fields <math display="inline">\eta_X</math>, one for each strata <math display="inline">X</math> of <math display="inline">Z</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 493.</ref> We define a '''controlled vector field''' <math display="inline">\eta</math> on <math display="inline">Z</math> to be a stratified vector field such that for any strata <math display="inline">Y</math> there exists a tubular neighbourhood <math display="inline">T'_Y</math> such that for any <math display="inline">X > Y</math> and any <math display="inline">v \in T'_X \cap X</math><ref>Mather 2012, pp. 493.</ref> <math display="block">\eta_X \rho_{Y,X}(v) = 0,</math> <math display="block">(\pi_{Y,X})_* \eta_X(v) = \eta_Y (\pi_{Y,X}(v)).</math> We prove that if <math display="inline">h</math> is a controlled submersion then, for any smooth vector field <math display="inline">\zeta</math> on <math display="inline">\R</math> there is a controlled vector field <math display="inline">\eta</math> on <math display="inline">Z</math> such that <math display="inline">h_* \eta(v) = \zeta(h(v))</math> for all <math display="inline">v \in Z</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 493.</ref> Proceeding by induction on the maximum dimension of the strata of <math display="inline">Z</math>, we define <math display="inline">Z_k</math> to be the union of strata of <math display="inline">Z</math> of dimension at most <math display="inline">k</math>. The tubular neighbourhood of <math display="inline">Z_k</math> is the intersection of the tubular neighbourhoods of each strata in <math display="inline">Z_k</math> with <math display="inline">Z</math>. The projection and distance functions are the restrictions of the respective functions of <math display="inline">Z</math>. It is trivially true when the maximum dimension of strata in <math display="inline">Z</math> is zero. Assume it is true for <math display="inline">k</math> and construct each <math display="inline">\eta_X</math> separately for each stratum <math display="inline">X</math> of dimension <math display="inline">k + 1</math>. By the assumption that we have controlled vector fields for all strata <math display="inline">Y</math> of dimension at most <math display="inline">k</math>, we have the two control conditions defined above for any <math display="inline">X > Y</math> and that there is a neighbourhood <math display="inline">T^1_Y</math> such that <math display="inline">h(v) = h \pi_Y(v)</math> for <math display="inline">v \in T^1_Y</math>. We want to prove that for all <math display="inline">Y < X</math>, the control conditions are satisfied for all <math display="inline">v \in T^2_Y</math> and that <math display="inline">h_*\eta_X(v) = \zeta(v)</math> for all <math display="inline">v \in X</math>. Take a point <math display="inline">x \in X</math> and define the set <math display="inline">S_v</math> of strata <math display="inline">Y < X</math> such that <math display="inline">v \in T^2_Y</math>. <math display="inline">S_v</math> is totally ordered since if <math display="inline">Y_1</math> and <math display="inline">Y_2</math> are not comparable then <math display="inline">T^2_{Y_1} \cap T^2_{Y_2} = \empty</math>. Therefore, there is a largest member <math display="inline">Y = Y_v</math>. Assume the control conditions hold for <math display="inline">Y = Y_v</math>. Then they hold for all <math display="inline">Y_i \in S_v</math>. For, either <math display="inline">Y_i = Y</math> or <math display="inline">Y_i < Y</math>. In the latter case, <math display="inline">\pi_Y(v) \in T^1_{Y_i}</math> (by the choice of <math display="inline">T^2_Y</math>'s [is this why?]. Then <math display="block">\begin{align} \eta_X(v) \rho_{Y_i,X}(v) &= \eta_X \rho_{Y_i,Y} \pi_{Y,X}(v) \\ &= (\pi_{Y,X})_* \eta_X(v) \rho_{Y_i,Y} \\ &= \eta_Y(\pi_{Y,X}(v)) \rho_{Y_i,Y} \\ &= 0 \end{align}</math> and <math display="block">\begin{align} (\pi_{Y_i,X})_* \eta_X(v) &= (\pi_{Y_i,Y})_* (\pi_{Y,X})_* \eta_X(v) \\ &= (\pi_{Y_i,Y})_* \eta_Y(v) (\pi_{Y,X}) \\ &= \eta_{Y_i}(\pi_{Y_i,Y} \pi_{Y,X}(v)) \\ &= \eta_{Y_i}(\pi_{Y_i,X}(v)) \end{align}</math> and, therefore, condition holds for all <math display="inline">Y_i \in S_v</math>. Also, <math display="block">\begin{align} h_* \eta_X(v) &= (h \circ \pi_{Y,X})_* \eta_X(v) \\ &= h_* \eta_Y (\pi_{Y,X}(v)) \\ &= \zeta(f(v)) \end{align}</math> and, therefore, the conclusion of the theorem holds at <math display="inline">v</math>. This shows we can construct <math display="inline">\eta_X</math> satisfying the control conditions when <math display="inline">S_v</math> is non-empty and satisfying the theorem when <math display="inline">S_v</math> is empty. The set of vectors satisfying these conditions is convex in <math display="inline">TX_v</math>, and so we construct <math display="inline">\eta_X</math> globally via a partition of unity.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 493-495.</ref> Finally, we prove that a controlled vector field has a unique one-parameter family of homeomorphisms of <math display="inline">Z</math> which commute with <math display="inline">h</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, this combines Proposition 10.1 and Corollary 10.2 on pp. 496 and 497, respectively.</ref> For each stratum <math display="inline">X</math> of <math display="inline">Z</math>, <math display="inline">\eta_X</math> generates a unique smooth local one-parameter group <math display="inline">(J_X, \alpha_X)</math> of diffeomorphisms of <math display="inline">X</math> (by standard results of differential geometry), such that <math display="inline">\frac{d}{dt} \alpha(t, v)|_{t=0} = \eta_X(v)</math>, <math display="inline">J_X</math> is an open subset of <math display="inline">\R \times Z</math>, ... If we define <math display="inline">(J, \alpha)</math> by <math display="block">J = \bigcup_{X \in S} J_X</math> <math display="block">\alpha = \bigcup_{X \in S} \alpha_X</math> we can prove that this is a local one-parameter family of homeomorphisms.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 496.</ref> Firstly, it is clear that # <math display="inline">0 \times Z \subseteq J</math> and <math display="inline">\alpha(0, v) = v</math> for all <math display="inline">v \in Z</math>. # If <math display="inline">v \in Z</math> then <math display="inline">J_v = J \cap (\R \times v) \subseteq \R</math> is an open interval <math display="inline">(a_v, b_v)</math>, possibly infinite at one or both ends. # If <math display="inline">v \in Z</math> and <math display="inline">t, s, t + s</math> are in <math display="inline">(a_v, b_v)</math> then <math display="inline">\alpha(t + s, v) = \alpha(t, \alpha(s, v))</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 495.</ref> Secondly, it is clear that <math display="inline">\eta</math> generates <math display="inline">\alpha</math> because # Each stratum <math display="inline">X</math> of <math display="inline">Z</math> is invariant under <math display="inline">\alpha</math>, i.e. <math display="inline">\alpha[J \cap (\R \times X)] \subseteq X</math>. # For each <math display="inline">v \in Z</math>, the map <math display="inline">t \to \alpha(t, v)</math> of <math display="inline">(a_v, b_v)</math> into the stratum which contains <math display="inline">v</math> is <math display="inline">C^1</math>. # For any <math display="inline">(t, v) \in Z</math>(?) we have <math display="inline">d/dt \alpha(t, v) = \eta(\alpha(t, v))</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 495.</ref> It is unique because each <math display="inline">(J_X, \alpha_X)</math> is unique. We just need to prove that <math display="inline">J</math> is open, <math display="inline">\alpha</math> is continuous, and for any <math display="inline">v \in Z</math> and any compact set <math display="inline">K \subseteq Z</math> there exists <math display="inline">\epsilon > 0</math> such that <math display="inline">\alpha(t, v) \notin K</math> if <math display="inline">t \in (a_v, a_v + \epsilon) \cup (b_v - \epsilon, b_v)</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 495.</ref> For the latter-most condition, if it did not hold then there exists...<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 496-497.</ref> We prove there is a homeomorphism <math display="inline">f: Z \to h^{-1}(0) \times \R</math> such that <math display="inline">\pi \circ f = h</math>, where <math display="inline">\pi: h^{-1}(0) \times \R \to \R</math> is projection to the second factor. For the coordinate vector field <math display="inline">\partial</math> on <math display="inline">\R</math>, by [prop 9.1] there is a controlled vector field <math display="inline">\tilde\partial</math> such that <math display="inline">f_* \tilde\partial(v) = \partial(h(v))</math> for <math display="inline">v \in Z</math>. By [prop 10.1], <math display="inline">\tilde\partial</math> generates a local one-parameter group <math display="inline">(J, \alpha)</math> such that <math display="block">h(\alpha(t,v)) = h(v) + t</math> <math display="inline">h</math> is proper and [d] holds, so <math display="inline">J = \R \times Z</math>. If we define <math display="inline">f</math> as <math display="block">f(v) = (\alpha(-t, v), h(v))</math> then <math display="inline">f</math> maps <math display="inline">Z</math> into <math display="inline">h^{-1}(0) \times \R</math> and <math display="inline">\pi \circ f = h</math>. If we define <math display="inline">\bar f: h^{-1}(0) \times \R \to Z</math> as <math display="block">\bar f(v, t) = \alpha(t, v)</math> then <math display="inline">f \bar f = \bar f f = Id</math> and <math display="inline">f</math> is a homeomorphism.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 497.</ref> == Topology at critical points == Theorem: If there is a critical point <math display="inline">p</math> in the singular variety <math display="inline">\mathcal{V}</math> with critical value <math display="inline">v \in (a, b)</math> then the space <math display="inline">X_{\leq b}</math> is homotopic to<ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, pp. 174.</ref> <math display="block">X_{\leq a} \cup [(D^{\lambda+1}, \partial D^{\lambda+1}) \times (\mathcal{L}_X, \partial \mathcal{L}_X)].</math> Proof:<ref>Proof outline comes from Goresky and MacPherson 1988, pp. 174.</ref> # <math display="inline">(X_{\leq b}, X_{\leq a})</math> is homeomorphic to <math display="inline">(X_{\leq v + \epsilon}, X_{\leq v -\epsilon})</math>. We can prove this by "moving wall" or Thom's Isotopy Lemma.<ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, pp. 90-91, 120.</ref> # <math display="inline">X_{\leq v + \epsilon}</math> is homeomorphic to <math display="inline">X_{\leq v - \epsilon} \cup (J, K)</math>, where the latter is the local Morse data for <math display="inline">h</math> at <math display="inline">p</math>. We do this by moving the wall...<ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, pp. 95-96, 120-121.</ref> # <math display="inline">(J, K)</math> is homeomorphic to <math display="inline">(D^{\lambda+1}, \partial D^{\lambda+1}) \times (\mathcal{L}_X, \partial \mathcal{L}_X)</math> (tangential data, normal data). Again, moving the wall...<ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, pp. 65-66, chapter 8, 121.</ref> # The normal Morse data depends only on the differential <math display="inline">df(p)</math>.<ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, pp. 93.</ref> # The normal Morse data has the homotopy type of <math display="inline">(\mathcal{L}_X, \partial \mathcal{L}_X)</math>.<ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, pp. 169.</ref> === Step 1 === We get this immediately(?) by Thom's Isotopy Lemma. === Step 2 === <ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, complex case on pp. 120-121 is extension of real case on pp. 95-96.</ref> We take our space <math display="inline">M</math> and map it onto <math display="inline">\R^2</math> with the map <math display="inline">F(z) = (r(z), h(z))</math>, where <math display="inline">z \in M</math> and <math display="inline">r</math> is the square of the distance of <math display="inline">z</math> to the critical point <math display="inline">p</math>. [graph of mapping] What we want is a homeomorphism in <math display="inline">M</math> between the space <math display="inline">Z_{\leq \epsilon}</math> and <math display="inline">Z_{\leq \epsilon} \cup B</math>, where <math display="inline">B</math> is a small region of the critical point <math display="inline">p</math>. The '''local Morse data''' is <math display="block">((B_\delta \cap Z) \cap f^{-1}[v-\epsilon, v+\epsilon], (B_\delta \cap Z) \cap f^{-1}(v-\epsilon))</math> where <math display="inline">B_\delta</math> is a closed disc in <math display="inline">M</math> of radius <math display="inline">\delta</math>.<ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, pp. 63-64.</ref> [picture of the two subspaces of Z in M] We use our map <math display="inline">F</math> to convert these two subspaces to subspaces of <math display="inline">\R^2</math> which are of the form <math display="inline">Y_1 = \{(x,y) \in \R^2 | y \leq \epsilon\}</math> and <math display="inline">Y_0 = \{(x,y) \in \R^2 | y \leq -\epsilon\} \cup \{(x,y) \in \R^2 | x \leq \delta, y \leq \epsilon\}</math>, such that <math display="inline">Z_{\leq \epsilon} = F^{-1}(Y_1)</math> and <math display="inline">Z_{\leq \epsilon} \cup B = F^{-1}(Y_0)</math>.<ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, pp. 95-96.</ref> We use a homeomorphism between <math display="inline">Y_1</math> and <math display="inline">Y_0</math> using the technique of "moving the wall" and Thom's Isotopy Lemma.<ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, chapter 4, particularly pp. 71-72.</ref> For the composition <math display="block">Z \times \R \subset M \times \R \to_{F \times I} Y \subset \R^2 \times \R \to_{\pi} \R</math> where <math display="inline">Y(t, z) = Y_t(z)</math>, <math display="inline">I</math> is the identity and <math display="inline">\pi</math> is projection to the second factor. <math display="inline">Z \times \R</math> is transverse to <math display="inline">(F \times I)^{-1}(Y)</math>... The composition <math display="inline">\pi \circ (F \times I): Z \times \R \cap (F \times I)^{-1}(Y) \to \R</math> is a stratified submersion... Therefore, we can apply Thom's Isotopy Lemma which says there is a homeomorphism between the level sets of <math display="inline">Z \times \R</math>...<ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, pp. 72.</ref> === Step 3 === == Morse theory == Steps(?) * Explain topology * Every point of a stratum is locally like a product structure (proved by Thom's Isotopy Lemma) [GM pp. 41-42] ** Including those around critical points, which are the product of normal and tangential Morse data (these are our quasi-local cycles?) * Thom's Isotopy Lemma proves a strong deformation retraction (which only stops at critical points) [PWM pp. 541-542] === Homotopy === We want to replace our domain of convergence <math display="inline">M</math>, which is the complement of our singular variety <math display="inline">\mathcal{V}</math>, with an "equivalent" space <math display="inline">M'</math> which has better understood properties. We say "equivalent" because there are several different things we could mean by "equivalent" in this context. The equivalence we are referring to in this section is called '''homotopy'''. Imagine two subspaces <math display="inline">\gamma_0</math> and <math display="inline">\gamma_1</math> of a space <math display="inline">Y</math> which are defined respectively by smooth functions <math display="inline">f, g: X \to Y</math>. If there exists a smooth function <math display="inline">h_s: X \times [0, 1] \to Y</math>, called a homotopy, such that <math display="inline">h_0 = f</math>, <math display="inline">h_1 = g</math> and for any <math display="inline">\epsilon > 0</math> there exists a <math display="inline">\delta_a</math> and <math display="inline">\delta_b</math> such that when <math display="inline">|s - s_0| < \delta_a</math> and <math display="inline">|x - x_0| < \delta_b</math> we have <math display="inline">|h_s(x) - h_{s_0}(x_0)| < \epsilon</math>, then we say <math display="inline">\gamma_0</math> and <math display="inline">\gamma_1</math> are '''homotopic'''.<ref>Henle 1979, pp. 251-252.</ref> Below is an example where <math display="inline">\gamma_0</math> and <math display="inline">\gamma_1</math> are one-dimensional curves and <math display="inline">H(t, s) = h_s(t)</math>. [[File:Homotopy_curves.png|300px]] In [[#Homotopy_equivalence|Appendix A]], we formally prove that we can construct an equivalent space <math display="inline">M'</math>. We provide only an example to give some intuition before describing how to construct the space <math display="inline">M'</math> in terms of local cycles around critical points. === Motivating example === Imagine a torus and a height function which is just the z value of the point. [[File:3D-Leveltorus.png|200px]] It has four critical points: two at the top and bottom of the outer circle (<math display="inline">p_1, p_4</math>) and two at the top and bottom of the inner circle (<math display="inline">p_2, p_3</math>). [picture] When the height is between the <math display="inline">p_1</math> and <math display="inline">p_2</math>, the space is a two-cell, which can be retracted to a point. [picture] When the height is between <math display="inline">p_2</math> and <math display="inline">p_3</math>, the space is a cylinder, which can be retracted to a two-cell with a one-cell attached. [[File:3D-Cylinder_and_disk_with_handle.png|200px]] When the height is between <math display="inline">p_3</math> and <math display="inline">p_4</math>, the space is a torus with a disc removed, which can be retracted to a cylinder with a one-cell attached. [[File:3D-Cylinder_with_handle_and_torus_with_hole.png|200px]] When the height is greater than <math display="inline">p_4</math>, then the full torus is constructed by attaching a two-cell. [Explain in terms of Morse data and Morse index?] === Morse data and quasi-local cycles === As in the above example, we start at the "bottom" of <math display="inline">M</math> and build upwards until just before we reach our first critical point <math display="inline">p</math>. ;Smooth points :This is a tube around a <math display="inline">(d-1)</math>-chain <math display="inline">\gamma</math> where the height function <math display="inline">h</math> is maximised at <math display="inline">p</math>.<ref>Pemantle, Wilson and Melczer 2024, pp. 223.</ref> :For example, if <math display="inline">F(x, y) = \frac{1}{1 - x - y}</math> then <math display="inline">\lambda = 1</math> and <math display="inline">B^\lambda</math> is an arc reaching its highest point at <math display="inline">p</math>. :The normal plane <math display="inline">N</math> at <math display="inline">p</math> is a plane orthogonal to <math display="inline">B^1</math>(?). :Its normal link <math display="inline">L(S)</math> is a circle with two points missing where it intersects <math display="inline">\mathcal{V}</math>. :We make our quasi-local cycle out of the product of the arc and circle joined to <math display="inline">M_-</math> at points below <math display="inline">M_-</math>. :With the exception of degenerate points, such as monkey saddles...<ref>e.g. Pemantle, Wilson and Melczer 2024, pp. 211.</ref> ;Transverse multiple points :This is the product of a <math display="inline">k</math>-torus and a <math display="inline">(d-k)</math>-chain <math display="inline">\gamma</math>. The torus is the product of circles about <math display="inline">p</math> in the complex normal space to each strata which intersects <math display="inline">p</math>. The chain <math display="inline">\gamma</math> is supported in the stratum which is the common intersection of the varieties defined by the factors vanishing at <math display="inline">p</math>, and achieves its maximum height at <math display="inline">p</math>.<ref>Pemantle, Wilson and Melczer 2024, pp. 223-224.</ref> ;Arrangement multiple point :This is the product of a <math display="inline">(d-k)</math>-chain <math display="inline">\gamma</math> and several <math display="inline">k</math>-tori, one for each pair of sheets which intersect transversely, where the torus is the product of circles about <math display="inline">p</math> in each sheet.<ref>Pemantle, Wilson and Melczer 2024, pp. 226.</ref> ;Cone point :A cone point is zero-dimensional so there is no <math display="inline">\gamma</math>, just a <math display="inline">d</math>-torus about <math display="inline">p</math>.<ref>Pemantle, Wilson and Melczer 2024, pp. 227.</ref> == Appendix == === Homotopy equivalence === [Assuming no CVAI...] Theorem: # Homotopy equivalence between M_{\leq a} and M_{\leq b}... # If in a range <math display="inline">[a, b]</math> there are no CVAI and only one critical value <math display="inline">c</math>, not equal to either <math display="inline">a</math> or <math display="inline">b</math>, with one or more critical points <math display="inline">z_1, \cdots, z_m</math> then there is a stratified flow deforming any chain in <math display="inline">M</math> to a (homotopic?) chain in the union of <math display="inline">M_{<c}</math> with sufficiently small balls around each critical point. This induces a homotopy between <math display="inline">(M_{c+\epsilon}, M_{c-\epsilon})</math> and the direct sum of <math display="inline">(M_{c-\epsilon} \cup B_{2\epsilon}(z_i), M_{c-\epsilon})</math> for each critical point <math display="inline">z_i</math>.<ref>Pemantle, Wilson and Melczer 2024, pp. 231.</ref> The core of this is the concept of a '''vector field'''. A vector field is a function which assigns, for each point <math display="inline">p</math> in a space, a '''vector''', which can be represented by an arrow whose tail starts at <math display="inline">p</math>.<ref>Henle 1979, pp. 33.</ref> [picture] Imagine we have a vector field <math display="inline">v(x)</math> defined in a space and draw a line through our space. At each point along this line the vector field assigns a vector. If we move each point in this line along the arrow defined by this vector in the direction of the arrow head. This "flows" the entire line along the vectors. We can (potentially) define a function to implement this flow. Define <math display="inline">\Phi(x, t)</math> where <math display="inline">x</math> are points in the space and <math display="inline">t</math> is something like time. As <math display="inline">t</math> goes from zero to some positive number, <math display="inline">\Phi</math> moves the points <math display="inline">x</math> along the vectors. To describe this process formally, we say <math display="inline">\Phi</math> is the solution to the differential equation <math display="block">\frac{d}{dt} \Phi(x, t) = v(x).</math> We want a particular vector field <math display="inline">v</math> with certain properties... The proof of the existence of this vector field is long and complicated and we will not go into it here.<ref>It involves concepts such as Thom's isotopy lemma and Mather's controlled vector flows. See Mather 2012.</ref> Using this vector field <math display="inline">v</math> but modified so as to be zero on <math display="inline">M_{\leq a}</math>. This vector field defines a function <math display="inline">\Phi(x, t)</math> such that * <math display="inline">d/dt \Phi(x, t) = v(x)</math> when <math display="inline">h(x) \in (a, b]</math>. * <math display="inline">\Phi(x, t)</math> is defined for <math display="inline">0 \leq t \leq h(x) - a</math> and in this range <math display="inline">h(\Phi(x, t)) = h(x) - t</math>. * the map <math display="inline">\psi(x) = \Phi(x, b - a)</math> is a continuous map on <math display="inline">M_{\leq b}</math> with range (image?) <math display="inline">M_{\leq a}</math> and fixing <math display="inline">M_{\leq a}</math>. The function <math display="inline">\Phi(x, 0)</math> is the identity on <math display="inline">M_{\leq b}</math> and <math display="inline">\Phi(x, b - a) = \psi(x)</math>, therefore <math display="inline">\Phi</math> in the range <math display="inline">[0, b - a]</math> is a homotopy between the identity on <math display="inline">M_{\leq b}</math> and <math display="inline">\psi</math>. This implies 1)???<ref>Pemantle, Wilson and Melczer 2024, pp. 233.</ref> Define the distance from a critical point <math display="inline">\kappa(x) = \min\{ |x - z_i| : z_1, \cdots, z_m \}</math>. For <math display="inline">s > 0 </math> we define a new vector field <math display="block">v_s(x) = \begin{cases} v(x) & \kappa(x) \geq s \\ \rho(\kappa(x)) v(x) & \kappa(x) \in [s/2, s] \\ 0 & \kappa(x) \leq s/2 \end{cases}</math> for a smooth non-decreasing function <math display="inline">\rho</math> where <math display="inline">\rho(s/2) = 0</math>. Define <math display="inline">\Phi_s</math> as the function such that <math display="inline">d/dt \Phi(x, t)_s = v_s(x)</math>. The height function <math display="inline">h</math> is non-increasing along <math display="inline">\Phi_s</math> (by implication of bullet point 2?) so points in <math display="inline">M_{\leq c-\epsilon}</math> stay in <math display="inline">M_{\leq c - \epsilon}</math> when flowed along <math display="inline">\Phi_s</math> and therefore <math display="inline">\Phi_s</math> is a homotopy equivalence between <math display="inline">(M_{\leq c+\epsilon}, M_{\leq c-\epsilon})</math> and <math display="inline">(\Phi(M_{\leq c+\epsilon}, 2\epsilon), M_{\leq c-\epsilon})</math>. By <math display="inline">\Phi(M_{\leq c+\epsilon}, 2\epsilon)</math> we mean the space <math display="inline">M_{\leq c+\epsilon}</math> flowed along <math display="inline">\Phi(x, t)</math> for a short period of time <math display="inline">2\epsilon</math>. [Prove it has the same critical points and is proper?] <math display="inline">\Phi(M_{\leq c+\epsilon}, 2\epsilon)</math> takes points in <math display="inline">M_{\leq c+\epsilon}</math> to <math display="inline">M_{\leq c-\epsilon}</math> except for those that come within <math display="inline">s</math> of a critical point within time <math display="inline">2\epsilon</math>. Therefore, we see how we <math display="inline">\Phi_s</math> can homotopically deform a chain in <math display="inline">M_{\leq c+\epsilon}</math> to a chain in the union of <math display="inline">M_{\leq c-\epsilon}</math> and small neighbourhoods of critical points.<ref>Pemantle, Wilson and Melczer 2024, pp. 234-235.</ref> On the assumption of this theorem, we can start with any chain in <math display="inline">M</math> and deform this chain to <math display="inline">M_{c_1+}</math> using part 1. Then we deform this chain to a chain in the union of <math display="inline">M_{c_1-}</math> and small balls around the critical points. The (sub?)chain in <math display="inline">M_{c_1-}</math> is then deformed to a chain in <math display="inline">M_{c_2+}</math>, which is deformed to a chain in <math display="inline">M_{c_2-} \cup z_{c_2}</math>, and so on. Eventually, we get to <math display="inline">M_{c_j-}</math> which is homotopic to any space "below" it. Therefore, we have deformed our chain in <math display="inline">M</math> to a homotopic chain in the union of small balls around critical points.<ref>Baryshnikov, Melczer and Pemantle 2022, pp. ???.</ref><ref>Pemantle, Wilson and Melczer 2024, pp. 217???</ref> [Direct sum of homology generators for relative cycles] == Notes == {{Reflist}} == References == * {{citation | last1=Baryshnikov | first1=Yuliy | last2=Melczer | first2=Stephen | last3=Pemantle | first3=Robin | title=Stationary Points at Infinity for Analytic Combinatorics | year=2022 | journal=Foundations of Computational Mathematics | volume=22 | number=5 | pages=1631-1664 | url=https://www2.math.upenn.edu/~pemantle/papers/SPAI-published-version.pdf }}. * {{cite book | last1=Goresky | first1=Mark | last2=MacPherson | first2=Robert | title=Stratified Morse Theory | publisher=Springer-Verlag | year=1988 | url=https://www.math.ias.edu/~goresky/pdf/SMT.djvu }} * {{cite book | last=Henle | first1=Michael | title=A Combinatorial Introduction to Topology | publisher=Dover Publications Inc. New York | year=1979 }} * {{citation | last=Mather | first=John | title=Notes on Topological Stability | year=2012 | journal=Bulletin of the American Mathematical Society | volume=49 | number=4 | pages=475-506 | url=https://www.ams.org/journals/bull/2012-49-04/S0273-0979-2012-01383-6/S0273-0979-2012-01383-6.pdf }}. * {{cite book | last1=Pemantle | first1=Robin | last2=Wilson | first2=Mark C. | last3=Melczer | first3=Stephen | title=Analytic Combinatorics in Several Variables | publisher=Cambridge University Press | year=2024 | edition=2nd | url=https://acsvproject.com/PemantleWilsonMelczer23.pdf }} jze0aiq1pw12mqkdtkvag29wvfj73gp 4671645 4671644 2026-09-21T18:34:13Z Dom walden 3209423 /* Step 2 */ 4671645 wikitext text/x-wiki == Introduction == Morse theory tells us that the topology of M only changes at its critical points. The "Morse data" tells us the topology at each critical point. Attaching this Morse data together gives us a space which is homopotically eqivalent to M. This space is a "cell complex", which has an easy to calculate homology. Theorem: Our domain of convergence is homotopic to a cell complex of dimension at most <math display="inline">2n - d - 1</math>.<ref>This is theorem D.23 in Pemantle, Wilson and Melczer 2024, pp. 546. Also theorem in section 1.2*/5.2* in SMT pp. 200.</ref> Proof: # <math display="inline">X</math> is our entire domain, <math display="inline">\mathcal{V}</math> our variety # Project our entire domain to complex projective space <math display="inline">Z = \pi(X) \subset \C\mathbb{P}^n - H</math> [define H] # Define a linear subspace <math display="inline">G \subset \C\mathbb{P}^n</math> of dimension <math display="inline">d - 1</math> # Define a Morse function on <math display="inline">f: \C\mathbb{P}^n \to \R</math> which approximates the distance from <math display="inline">G</math> and such that <math display="inline">f^{-1}(0) = G</math> and <math display="inline">f^{-1}(1) = H</math> # We "build" <math display="inline">X - \mathcal{V}</math> from <math display="inline">\pi^{-1}(G \cap Z) \cap (X - \mathcal{V})</math> by attaching CW complexes at critical points which are of at most dimension <math display="inline">2n - d - 1</math> # At a critical point, the normal Morse data is <math display="inline">(J, K) = \coprod_x (J_x, K_x)</math> and the relative complex link is <math display="inline">\mathcal{L}^\pi = \coprod_x \mathcal{L}_x</math> # We show that the quotient <math display="inline">J_x/K_x</math> is homotopic to a CW complex of dimension <math display="inline">\leq 2n - d - 1</math> # The neighbourhood of <math display="inline">x</math> in <math display="inline">J_x</math> is homeomorphic to the cone in <math display="inline">L_x(X - \mathcal{V})</math>, and removing the point <math display="inline">x</math> increases the homotopy dimension to at most the homotopy dimension of <math display="inline">L_x</math> # <math display="inline">(J_x \cup \{x\}, K_x)</math> is homotopic to <math display="inline">(\text{cone}(\mathcal{L}_x), \mathcal{L}_x)</math> # <math display="inline">\mathcal{L}_x</math> is homotopic to a CW complex of dimension at most <math display="inline">2n - d - 1</math> # The tangential Morse data at the critical point is homotopic to the pair <math display="inline">(D^\lambda, \partial D^\lambda)</math> # Therefore, at each critical point a space has been added homotopic to a CW complex of dimension at most <math display="inline">2n - d - 1</math>. Theorem: If <math display="inline">X</math> is the complement in <math display="inline">\C^n</math> of a complex variety <math display="inline">\mathcal{V}</math> of dimension <math display="inline">d</math> then <math display="inline">X</math> is homotopic to a CW complex of dimension at most <math display="inline">2n - d - 1</math>.<ref>Pemantle, Wilson and Melczer 2024, pp. 546.</ref> Proof: # We build <math display="inline">X</math> by attaching cells of dimension at most <math display="inline">2n - d - 1</math> at each critical point. ## Prove that we can do this without changing the homotopy(?) ## We use Thom's Isotopy Lemma to prove that there is a strong deformation retraction, stopping only at critical points. # Prove these cells are a product of the normal and tangential Morse data. ## Normal data: <math display="inline">(\mathcal{L}(S), \partial \mathcal{L}(S)) \times (D^1, \partial D^1)</math> [GM pp. 18] ## Tangential data: <math display="inline">(B_\delta \cap f^{-1}[v - \epsilon, v + \epsilon], B_\delta \cap f^{-1}(v - \epsilon))</math> for <math display="inline">f</math> restricted to <math display="inline">X</math> (or <math display="inline">\mathcal{V}</math>?) [GM pp. 63-64] # If <math display="inline">k</math> is the dimension of the strata, then ## If <math display="inline">k = d</math> then it is a smooth point and the cell is the product of <math display="inline">S^{2(n-d)-1}</math> and the tangential data is dimension at most <math display="inline">d</math>. ## If <math display="inline">k < d</math>, ... <ref>Pemantle, Wilson and Melczer 2024, pp. 547.</ref> == Example in one dimension == Domain with singularities v_1, v_2, ..., v_i Define our height function f... Start with our entire domain X Reduce from X to X_i+ by using Thom's Isotopy lemma to do a strong deformation retract == Thom's isotopy lemma == We present a modified version of Thom's (first) isotopy lemma, less general than the original but more obviously relevant to our situation. Theorem: Suppose <math display="inline">Z</math> is a closed subset of a smooth manifold <math display="inline">M</math> which admits a Whitney stratification and <math display="inline">h : M \to \R</math> is a proper Morse function which has no critical values on <math display="inline">Z</math>. Then, the level sets of <math display="inline">Z</math> are homeomorphic by a homeomorphism that preserves the strata of <math display="inline">Z</math>.<ref>For various versions of the full statement of the theorem, see Mather 2012, pp. 499, Goresky and MacPherson 1988, pp. 41, or Pemantle, Wilson and Melczer 2024, pp. 541.</ref> Proof: # Construct control data for <math display="inline">Z</math> compatible with <math display="inline">h</math>. ## [Prop 7.1] If <math display="inline">h</math> is smooth on <math display="inline">Z</math> and is a submersion for each strata then there exists a family of control data for <math display="inline">Z</math> compatible with <math display="inline">h</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 488.</ref> # This makes <math display="inline">Z</math> an abstract stratified set and <math display="inline">f</math> a controlled submersion. # A controlled submersion has, for any smooth vector field on <math display="inline">\R</math>, a controlled vector field on <math display="inline">Z</math> (a "lift"?)<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 493.</ref> # A controlled vector field has a unique one-parameter family of homeomorphisms of <math display="inline">Z</math> which commute with <math display="inline">h</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 496.</ref> # This makes <math display="inline">h</math> a locally trivial fibration. [Prop 10.2]<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 499.</ref> Control data: A system of '''control data''' for <math display="inline">Z</math> consists of, for each stratum <math display="inline">X</math> of <math display="inline">Z</math>, * a '''tubular neighbourhood''' <math display="inline">T_X</math> of <math display="inline">X</math> * a '''tubular projection function''' <math display="inline">\pi_X: T_X \to X</math>, and * a '''tubular distance function''' <math display="inline">\rho_X: T_X \to \R</math> such that <math display="inline">\rho_X^{-1}(0) = X</math><ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, pp. 42.</ref> [illustration] such that if <math display="inline">X < Y</math> are strata in <math display="inline">Z</math>, then <math display="block">\pi_X \pi_Y(m) = \pi_X(m),</math> <math display="block">\rho_X \pi_Y(m) = \rho_X(m)</math> for all <math display="inline">m \in |T_X| \cap |T_Y|</math> such that <math display="inline">\pi_Y(m) \in |T_X|</math>. If, for all strata <math display="inline">X</math> and all <math display="inline">m \in |T_X|</math>, we have <math display="inline">h \pi_X(m) = h(m)</math>, then this control data will be said to be compatible with <math display="inline">h</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 488.</ref> We prove that if <math display="inline">h</math> is smooth on <math display="inline">Z</math> and is a submersion for each strata then there exists a family of control data for <math display="inline">Z</math> compatible with <math display="inline">h</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 488, prop 7.1.</ref> Let <math display="inline">Z_k</math> be the union of strata of <math display="inline">Z</math> of dimension less than <math display="inline">k</math>. We prove by induction on <math display="inline">k</math>. To construct the tubular neighbourhood <math display="inline">T_X</math> of a stratum <math display="inline">X</math> of dimension less than <math display="inline">k</math>. For <math display="inline">l \leq k</math>, let <math display="inline">U_l</math> denote the union of all <math display="inline">|T_Y|</math> for <math display="inline">Y < X</math> and <math display="inline">\dim Y \geq l</math>. Let <math display="inline">X_l = U_l \cap X</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 489.</ref> For <math display="inline">l = k</math>, <math display="inline">X_k = \empty</math>. Assume by induction that <math display="inline">T_{l+1}</math> has been constructed and that if <math display="inline">Y < X</math>, <math display="inline">\dim Y \geq l + 1</math>, <math display="inline">m \in |T_{l+1}| \cap |T_Y|</math> and <math display="inline">\pi_{l+1}(m) \in |T_Y|</math> (<math display="inline">\pi_{l+1} = \pi_{T_{l+1}}</math>) then<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 489-490.</ref> <math display="block">\rho_Y \pi_{l+1}(m) = \rho_Y(m),</math> <math display="block">\pi_Y \pi_{l+1}(m) = \pi_Y(m).</math> We wish to construct a tubular neighbourhood <math display="inline">T_{X,Y}</math> of <math display="inline">|T_Y| \cap X</math> whose restriction to <math display="inline">|T_Y| \cap X_{l+1}</math> is isomorphic to the restriction of <math display="inline">T_{l+1}</math> such that if <math display="inline">m \in |T_{X,Y}| \cap |T_Y|</math> and <math display="inline">\pi_{X,Y}(m) \in |T_Y|</math> (<math display="inline">\pi_{X,Y} = \pi_{T_{X,Y}}</math>) then <math display="block">\rho_Y \pi_{X,Y}(m) = \rho_Y(m),</math> <math display="block">\pi_Y \pi_{X,Y}(m) = \pi_Y(m).</math> By shrinking <math display="inline">|T_Y|</math> if necessary, this relation is already satisfied if <math display="inline">m \in |T_{l+1}| \cap |T_Y|</math> and <math display="inline">\pi_{l+1}(m) \in |T_Y|</math> with <math display="inline">T_{l+1}</math> in place of <math display="inline">T_{X,Y}</math> and <math display="inline">\pi_{l+1}</math> in place of <math display="inline">\pi_{X,Y}</math>. By the definition, if <math display="inline">m \in |T_{l+1}|</math> then there exists <math display="inline">Z < X</math> with <math display="inline">\dim Z > l</math>, <math display="inline">m \in |T_Z|</math> and <math display="inline">\pi_{l+1}(m) \in |T_Z|</math>. We have that <math display="inline">\pi_{l+1}(m) \in |T_Y| \cap |T_Z|</math> and therefore <math display="inline">Y < Z</math>. Therefore<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 490.</ref> <math display="block">\rho_Y \pi_{l+1}(m) = \rho_Y \pi_Z \pi_{l+1}(m) = \rho_Y \pi_Z(m) = \rho_Y(m),</math> <math display="block">\pi_Y \pi_{l+1}(m) = \pi_Y \pi_Z \pi_{l+1}(m) = \pi_Y \pi_Z(m) = \pi_Y(m).</math> We can prove that, by shrinking <math display="inline">|T_Y|</math>, <math display="inline">(\rho_Y, \pi_Y): |T_Y| \cap X \to \R \times Y</math> is a submersion [prop 7.3?] and that <math display="inline">T_{X,Y}</math> is compatible with <math display="inline">(\rho_Y, \pi_Y): |T_Y| \cap X_{l+1} \to \R \times Y</math>, i.e. <math display="inline">(\rho_Y, \pi_Y) \pi_{X,Y}(m) = (\rho_Y, \pi_Y)(m)</math>(?). To prove it is a submersion, for the tubular neighbourhood <math display="inline">T = (E, \epsilon, \psi)</math> there exists a smooth positive function <math display="inline">\epsilon'</math> such that <math display="block">(\rho_T, \pi_T): Y \cap |T|_{\epsilon'}^0 \to \R \times X,</math> where <math display="inline">|T|_{\epsilon'}^0 = \psi(B_\epsilon \cap B_{\epsilon'})</math>, is a submersion. If <math display="inline">\Sigma</math> is the set <math display="inline">y \in |T|</math> such that the rank of <math display="block">(\rho_T, \pi_T): T \cap |T| \to \R \times X</math> at <math display="inline">y</math> is less than <math display="inline">\dim(\R \times X)</math>. We need to prove that for any <math display="inline">x \in X</math> there exists a neighbourhood of <math display="inline">x</math> which does not intersect with <math display="inline">\Sigma</math>, i.e. the map is not a submersion in this neighbourhood. It follows from [lemma 7.2] that it is enough to prove for <math display="inline">M = \R^m</math>, <math display="inline">X = \R^{m-c} \times 0_c</math> and <math display="inline">T</math> is the '''standard tubular neighbourhood'''.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 489.</ref> By standard tubular neighbourhood, we mean the trivial bundle with base <math display="inline">\R^{m-c}</math> and fibre <math display="inline">\R^c</math> where <math display="inline">\pi: \R^m \to \R^{m-c}</math>...<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 488.</ref> For <math display="inline">y \in |T| - \R^{m-c}</math>, the kernal of the differential of <math display="inline">(\pi_T, \rho_T)</math> at <math display="inline">y</math> is the orthogonal complement of <math display="inline">(\R^{m-c} \times 0_c) \oplus \stackrel{\frown}{y \pi_T(y)}</math> in <math display="inline">\R^m</math>. By the Whitney conditions, we have that for <math display="inline">y</math> near <math display="inline">\R^{m-c}</math>, <math display="inline">(\R^{m-c} \times 0_c) \oplus \stackrel{\frown}{y \pi_T(y)}</math> is close to the set of <math display="inline">m - c + 1</math> planes in <math display="inline">m-</math>space to an <math display="inline">m - c + 1</math> plane in <math display="inline">TY_y</math>. Therefore, for <math display="inline">y</math> near enough to <math display="inline">\R^{m-c}</math>, <math display="inline">TY_y</math> is transverse to the kernal of the differential of <math display="inline">(\pi_T, \rho_T)</math> and, therefore, is a submersion when restricted to <math display="inline">Y</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 489.</ref> To prove that <math display="inline">T_{X,Y}</math> is compatible with <math display="inline">(\rho_Y, \pi_Y): |T_Y| \cap X_{l+1} \to \R \times Y</math>...<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 490.</ref> Therefore, there exists a tubular neighbourhood <math display="inline">T_0</math> of <math display="inline">X_0</math> satisfying <math display="block">\rho_Y \pi_0(m) = \rho_Y(m),</math> <math display="block">\pi_Y \pi_0(m) = \pi_Y(m).</math> From this we can prove that <math display="inline">T_0</math> is compatible with <math display="inline">h</math>. Replacing <math display="inline">T_0</math> with a smaller tubular neighbourhood if necessary we can assume <math display="inline">m \in |T_0|</math> such that for some <math display="inline">Y < X</math>, <math display="inline">m \in |T_Y|</math> and <math display="inline">\pi_0(m) \in |T_Y|</math>, then<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 490.</ref> <math display="block">h \pi_0(m) = h \pi_Y \pi_0(m) = h \pi_Y(m) = h(m).</math> By the generalised tubular neighourhood theorem [prop 7.2?], we can replace <math display="inline">T_0</math> with a tubular neighbourhood <math display="inline">T</math> of <math display="inline">X</math> compatible with <math display="inline">h</math>. This completes the construction of <math display="inline">T_X</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 491.</ref> This makes <math display="inline">Z</math> an '''abstract stratified set''' with axioms...<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 491-492.</ref> This also makes <math display="inline">h</math> a '''controlled submersion''' because # <math display="inline">h|X: X \to \R</math> is a smooth submersion on each strata <math display="inline">X</math> of <math display="inline">Z</math>, and # for each stratum <math display="inline">X</math> there is a tubular neighbourhood <math display="inline">T'_X</math> such that <math display="inline">h(v) = h \pi_X(v)</math> for all <math display="inline">v \in T'_X</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 493.</ref> The core of this is the concept of a '''vector field'''. A vector field is a function which assigns, for each point <math display="inline">p</math> in a space, a '''vector''', which can be represented by an arrow whose tail starts at <math display="inline">p</math>.<ref>Henle 1979, pp. 33.</ref> [picture] Imagine we have a vector field <math display="inline">v(x)</math> defined in a space and draw a line through our space. At each point along this line the vector field assigns a vector. If we move each point in this line along the arrow defined by this vector in the direction of the arrow head. This "flows" the entire line along the vectors. [picture] We define a '''stratified vector field''' <math display="inline">\eta</math> on <math display="inline">Z</math> to be a family of smooth vector fields <math display="inline">\eta_X</math>, one for each strata <math display="inline">X</math> of <math display="inline">Z</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 493.</ref> We define a '''controlled vector field''' <math display="inline">\eta</math> on <math display="inline">Z</math> to be a stratified vector field such that for any strata <math display="inline">Y</math> there exists a tubular neighbourhood <math display="inline">T'_Y</math> such that for any <math display="inline">X > Y</math> and any <math display="inline">v \in T'_X \cap X</math><ref>Mather 2012, pp. 493.</ref> <math display="block">\eta_X \rho_{Y,X}(v) = 0,</math> <math display="block">(\pi_{Y,X})_* \eta_X(v) = \eta_Y (\pi_{Y,X}(v)).</math> We prove that if <math display="inline">h</math> is a controlled submersion then, for any smooth vector field <math display="inline">\zeta</math> on <math display="inline">\R</math> there is a controlled vector field <math display="inline">\eta</math> on <math display="inline">Z</math> such that <math display="inline">h_* \eta(v) = \zeta(h(v))</math> for all <math display="inline">v \in Z</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 493.</ref> Proceeding by induction on the maximum dimension of the strata of <math display="inline">Z</math>, we define <math display="inline">Z_k</math> to be the union of strata of <math display="inline">Z</math> of dimension at most <math display="inline">k</math>. The tubular neighbourhood of <math display="inline">Z_k</math> is the intersection of the tubular neighbourhoods of each strata in <math display="inline">Z_k</math> with <math display="inline">Z</math>. The projection and distance functions are the restrictions of the respective functions of <math display="inline">Z</math>. It is trivially true when the maximum dimension of strata in <math display="inline">Z</math> is zero. Assume it is true for <math display="inline">k</math> and construct each <math display="inline">\eta_X</math> separately for each stratum <math display="inline">X</math> of dimension <math display="inline">k + 1</math>. By the assumption that we have controlled vector fields for all strata <math display="inline">Y</math> of dimension at most <math display="inline">k</math>, we have the two control conditions defined above for any <math display="inline">X > Y</math> and that there is a neighbourhood <math display="inline">T^1_Y</math> such that <math display="inline">h(v) = h \pi_Y(v)</math> for <math display="inline">v \in T^1_Y</math>. We want to prove that for all <math display="inline">Y < X</math>, the control conditions are satisfied for all <math display="inline">v \in T^2_Y</math> and that <math display="inline">h_*\eta_X(v) = \zeta(v)</math> for all <math display="inline">v \in X</math>. Take a point <math display="inline">x \in X</math> and define the set <math display="inline">S_v</math> of strata <math display="inline">Y < X</math> such that <math display="inline">v \in T^2_Y</math>. <math display="inline">S_v</math> is totally ordered since if <math display="inline">Y_1</math> and <math display="inline">Y_2</math> are not comparable then <math display="inline">T^2_{Y_1} \cap T^2_{Y_2} = \empty</math>. Therefore, there is a largest member <math display="inline">Y = Y_v</math>. Assume the control conditions hold for <math display="inline">Y = Y_v</math>. Then they hold for all <math display="inline">Y_i \in S_v</math>. For, either <math display="inline">Y_i = Y</math> or <math display="inline">Y_i < Y</math>. In the latter case, <math display="inline">\pi_Y(v) \in T^1_{Y_i}</math> (by the choice of <math display="inline">T^2_Y</math>'s [is this why?]. Then <math display="block">\begin{align} \eta_X(v) \rho_{Y_i,X}(v) &= \eta_X \rho_{Y_i,Y} \pi_{Y,X}(v) \\ &= (\pi_{Y,X})_* \eta_X(v) \rho_{Y_i,Y} \\ &= \eta_Y(\pi_{Y,X}(v)) \rho_{Y_i,Y} \\ &= 0 \end{align}</math> and <math display="block">\begin{align} (\pi_{Y_i,X})_* \eta_X(v) &= (\pi_{Y_i,Y})_* (\pi_{Y,X})_* \eta_X(v) \\ &= (\pi_{Y_i,Y})_* \eta_Y(v) (\pi_{Y,X}) \\ &= \eta_{Y_i}(\pi_{Y_i,Y} \pi_{Y,X}(v)) \\ &= \eta_{Y_i}(\pi_{Y_i,X}(v)) \end{align}</math> and, therefore, condition holds for all <math display="inline">Y_i \in S_v</math>. Also, <math display="block">\begin{align} h_* \eta_X(v) &= (h \circ \pi_{Y,X})_* \eta_X(v) \\ &= h_* \eta_Y (\pi_{Y,X}(v)) \\ &= \zeta(f(v)) \end{align}</math> and, therefore, the conclusion of the theorem holds at <math display="inline">v</math>. This shows we can construct <math display="inline">\eta_X</math> satisfying the control conditions when <math display="inline">S_v</math> is non-empty and satisfying the theorem when <math display="inline">S_v</math> is empty. The set of vectors satisfying these conditions is convex in <math display="inline">TX_v</math>, and so we construct <math display="inline">\eta_X</math> globally via a partition of unity.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 493-495.</ref> Finally, we prove that a controlled vector field has a unique one-parameter family of homeomorphisms of <math display="inline">Z</math> which commute with <math display="inline">h</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, this combines Proposition 10.1 and Corollary 10.2 on pp. 496 and 497, respectively.</ref> For each stratum <math display="inline">X</math> of <math display="inline">Z</math>, <math display="inline">\eta_X</math> generates a unique smooth local one-parameter group <math display="inline">(J_X, \alpha_X)</math> of diffeomorphisms of <math display="inline">X</math> (by standard results of differential geometry), such that <math display="inline">\frac{d}{dt} \alpha(t, v)|_{t=0} = \eta_X(v)</math>, <math display="inline">J_X</math> is an open subset of <math display="inline">\R \times Z</math>, ... If we define <math display="inline">(J, \alpha)</math> by <math display="block">J = \bigcup_{X \in S} J_X</math> <math display="block">\alpha = \bigcup_{X \in S} \alpha_X</math> we can prove that this is a local one-parameter family of homeomorphisms.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 496.</ref> Firstly, it is clear that # <math display="inline">0 \times Z \subseteq J</math> and <math display="inline">\alpha(0, v) = v</math> for all <math display="inline">v \in Z</math>. # If <math display="inline">v \in Z</math> then <math display="inline">J_v = J \cap (\R \times v) \subseteq \R</math> is an open interval <math display="inline">(a_v, b_v)</math>, possibly infinite at one or both ends. # If <math display="inline">v \in Z</math> and <math display="inline">t, s, t + s</math> are in <math display="inline">(a_v, b_v)</math> then <math display="inline">\alpha(t + s, v) = \alpha(t, \alpha(s, v))</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 495.</ref> Secondly, it is clear that <math display="inline">\eta</math> generates <math display="inline">\alpha</math> because # Each stratum <math display="inline">X</math> of <math display="inline">Z</math> is invariant under <math display="inline">\alpha</math>, i.e. <math display="inline">\alpha[J \cap (\R \times X)] \subseteq X</math>. # For each <math display="inline">v \in Z</math>, the map <math display="inline">t \to \alpha(t, v)</math> of <math display="inline">(a_v, b_v)</math> into the stratum which contains <math display="inline">v</math> is <math display="inline">C^1</math>. # For any <math display="inline">(t, v) \in Z</math>(?) we have <math display="inline">d/dt \alpha(t, v) = \eta(\alpha(t, v))</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 495.</ref> It is unique because each <math display="inline">(J_X, \alpha_X)</math> is unique. We just need to prove that <math display="inline">J</math> is open, <math display="inline">\alpha</math> is continuous, and for any <math display="inline">v \in Z</math> and any compact set <math display="inline">K \subseteq Z</math> there exists <math display="inline">\epsilon > 0</math> such that <math display="inline">\alpha(t, v) \notin K</math> if <math display="inline">t \in (a_v, a_v + \epsilon) \cup (b_v - \epsilon, b_v)</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 495.</ref> For the latter-most condition, if it did not hold then there exists...<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 496-497.</ref> We prove there is a homeomorphism <math display="inline">f: Z \to h^{-1}(0) \times \R</math> such that <math display="inline">\pi \circ f = h</math>, where <math display="inline">\pi: h^{-1}(0) \times \R \to \R</math> is projection to the second factor. For the coordinate vector field <math display="inline">\partial</math> on <math display="inline">\R</math>, by [prop 9.1] there is a controlled vector field <math display="inline">\tilde\partial</math> such that <math display="inline">f_* \tilde\partial(v) = \partial(h(v))</math> for <math display="inline">v \in Z</math>. By [prop 10.1], <math display="inline">\tilde\partial</math> generates a local one-parameter group <math display="inline">(J, \alpha)</math> such that <math display="block">h(\alpha(t,v)) = h(v) + t</math> <math display="inline">h</math> is proper and [d] holds, so <math display="inline">J = \R \times Z</math>. If we define <math display="inline">f</math> as <math display="block">f(v) = (\alpha(-t, v), h(v))</math> then <math display="inline">f</math> maps <math display="inline">Z</math> into <math display="inline">h^{-1}(0) \times \R</math> and <math display="inline">\pi \circ f = h</math>. If we define <math display="inline">\bar f: h^{-1}(0) \times \R \to Z</math> as <math display="block">\bar f(v, t) = \alpha(t, v)</math> then <math display="inline">f \bar f = \bar f f = Id</math> and <math display="inline">f</math> is a homeomorphism.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 497.</ref> == Topology at critical points == Theorem: If there is a critical point <math display="inline">p</math> in the singular variety <math display="inline">\mathcal{V}</math> with critical value <math display="inline">v \in (a, b)</math> then the space <math display="inline">X_{\leq b}</math> is homotopic to<ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, pp. 174.</ref> <math display="block">X_{\leq a} \cup [(D^{\lambda+1}, \partial D^{\lambda+1}) \times (\mathcal{L}_X, \partial \mathcal{L}_X)].</math> Proof:<ref>Proof outline comes from Goresky and MacPherson 1988, pp. 174.</ref> # <math display="inline">(X_{\leq b}, X_{\leq a})</math> is homeomorphic to <math display="inline">(X_{\leq v + \epsilon}, X_{\leq v -\epsilon})</math>. We can prove this by "moving wall" or Thom's Isotopy Lemma.<ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, pp. 90-91, 120.</ref> # <math display="inline">X_{\leq v + \epsilon}</math> is homeomorphic to <math display="inline">X_{\leq v - \epsilon} \cup (J, K)</math>, where the latter is the local Morse data for <math display="inline">h</math> at <math display="inline">p</math>. We do this by moving the wall...<ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, pp. 95-96, 120-121.</ref> # <math display="inline">(J, K)</math> is homeomorphic to <math display="inline">(D^{\lambda+1}, \partial D^{\lambda+1}) \times (\mathcal{L}_X, \partial \mathcal{L}_X)</math> (tangential data, normal data). Again, moving the wall...<ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, pp. 65-66, chapter 8, 121.</ref> # The normal Morse data depends only on the differential <math display="inline">df(p)</math>.<ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, pp. 93.</ref> # The normal Morse data has the homotopy type of <math display="inline">(\mathcal{L}_X, \partial \mathcal{L}_X)</math>.<ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, pp. 169.</ref> === Step 1 === We get this immediately(?) by Thom's Isotopy Lemma. === Step 2 === <ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, complex case on pp. 120-121 is extension of real case on pp. 95-96.</ref> We take our space <math display="inline">M</math> and map it onto <math display="inline">\R^2</math> with the map <math display="inline">F(z) = (r(z), h(z))</math>, where <math display="inline">z \in M</math> and <math display="inline">r</math> is the square of the distance of <math display="inline">z</math> to the critical point <math display="inline">p</math>. [graph of mapping] What we want is a homeomorphism in <math display="inline">M</math> between the space <math display="inline">Z_{\leq \epsilon}</math> and <math display="inline">Z_{\leq \epsilon} \cup B</math>, where <math display="inline">B</math> is a small region of the critical point <math display="inline">p</math>. The '''local Morse data''' is <math display="block">((B_\delta \cap Z) \cap f^{-1}[v-\epsilon, v+\epsilon], (B_\delta \cap Z) \cap f^{-1}(v-\epsilon))</math> where <math display="inline">B_\delta</math> is a closed disc in <math display="inline">M</math> of radius <math display="inline">\delta</math>.<ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, pp. 63-64.</ref> Observe that this is the pair <math display="inline">(F^{-1}(\text{Box}(\delta, \epsilon)), F^{-1}(\text{Bottom}(\delta, \epsilon)))</math><ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, pp. 91.</ref> [explain Box, Bottom, etc.] [picture of the two subspaces of Z in M] We use our map <math display="inline">F</math> to convert these two subspaces to subspaces of <math display="inline">\R^2</math> which are of the form <math display="inline">Y_1 = \{(x,y) \in \R^2 | y \leq \epsilon\}</math> and <math display="inline">Y_0 = \{(x,y) \in \R^2 | y \leq -\epsilon\} \cup \{(x,y) \in \R^2 | x \leq \delta, y \leq \epsilon\}</math>, such that <math display="inline">Z_{\leq \epsilon} = F^{-1}(Y_1)</math> and <math display="inline">Z_{\leq \epsilon} \cup B = F^{-1}(Y_0)</math>.<ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, pp. 95-96.</ref> We use a homeomorphism between <math display="inline">Y_1</math> and <math display="inline">Y_0</math> using the technique of "moving the wall" and Thom's Isotopy Lemma.<ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, chapter 4, particularly pp. 71-72.</ref> For the composition <math display="block">Z \times \R \subset M \times \R \to_{F \times I} Y \subset \R^2 \times \R \to_{\pi} \R</math> where <math display="inline">Y(t, z) = Y_t(z)</math>, <math display="inline">I</math> is the identity and <math display="inline">\pi</math> is projection to the second factor. <math display="inline">Z \times \R</math> is transverse to <math display="inline">(F \times I)^{-1}(Y)</math>... The composition <math display="inline">\pi \circ (F \times I): Z \times \R \cap (F \times I)^{-1}(Y) \to \R</math> is a stratified submersion... Therefore, we can apply Thom's Isotopy Lemma which says there is a homeomorphism between the level sets of <math display="inline">Z \times \R</math>...<ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, pp. 72.</ref> === Step 3 === == Morse theory == Steps(?) * Explain topology * Every point of a stratum is locally like a product structure (proved by Thom's Isotopy Lemma) [GM pp. 41-42] ** Including those around critical points, which are the product of normal and tangential Morse data (these are our quasi-local cycles?) * Thom's Isotopy Lemma proves a strong deformation retraction (which only stops at critical points) [PWM pp. 541-542] === Homotopy === We want to replace our domain of convergence <math display="inline">M</math>, which is the complement of our singular variety <math display="inline">\mathcal{V}</math>, with an "equivalent" space <math display="inline">M'</math> which has better understood properties. We say "equivalent" because there are several different things we could mean by "equivalent" in this context. The equivalence we are referring to in this section is called '''homotopy'''. Imagine two subspaces <math display="inline">\gamma_0</math> and <math display="inline">\gamma_1</math> of a space <math display="inline">Y</math> which are defined respectively by smooth functions <math display="inline">f, g: X \to Y</math>. If there exists a smooth function <math display="inline">h_s: X \times [0, 1] \to Y</math>, called a homotopy, such that <math display="inline">h_0 = f</math>, <math display="inline">h_1 = g</math> and for any <math display="inline">\epsilon > 0</math> there exists a <math display="inline">\delta_a</math> and <math display="inline">\delta_b</math> such that when <math display="inline">|s - s_0| < \delta_a</math> and <math display="inline">|x - x_0| < \delta_b</math> we have <math display="inline">|h_s(x) - h_{s_0}(x_0)| < \epsilon</math>, then we say <math display="inline">\gamma_0</math> and <math display="inline">\gamma_1</math> are '''homotopic'''.<ref>Henle 1979, pp. 251-252.</ref> Below is an example where <math display="inline">\gamma_0</math> and <math display="inline">\gamma_1</math> are one-dimensional curves and <math display="inline">H(t, s) = h_s(t)</math>. [[File:Homotopy_curves.png|300px]] In [[#Homotopy_equivalence|Appendix A]], we formally prove that we can construct an equivalent space <math display="inline">M'</math>. We provide only an example to give some intuition before describing how to construct the space <math display="inline">M'</math> in terms of local cycles around critical points. === Motivating example === Imagine a torus and a height function which is just the z value of the point. [[File:3D-Leveltorus.png|200px]] It has four critical points: two at the top and bottom of the outer circle (<math display="inline">p_1, p_4</math>) and two at the top and bottom of the inner circle (<math display="inline">p_2, p_3</math>). [picture] When the height is between the <math display="inline">p_1</math> and <math display="inline">p_2</math>, the space is a two-cell, which can be retracted to a point. [picture] When the height is between <math display="inline">p_2</math> and <math display="inline">p_3</math>, the space is a cylinder, which can be retracted to a two-cell with a one-cell attached. [[File:3D-Cylinder_and_disk_with_handle.png|200px]] When the height is between <math display="inline">p_3</math> and <math display="inline">p_4</math>, the space is a torus with a disc removed, which can be retracted to a cylinder with a one-cell attached. [[File:3D-Cylinder_with_handle_and_torus_with_hole.png|200px]] When the height is greater than <math display="inline">p_4</math>, then the full torus is constructed by attaching a two-cell. [Explain in terms of Morse data and Morse index?] === Morse data and quasi-local cycles === As in the above example, we start at the "bottom" of <math display="inline">M</math> and build upwards until just before we reach our first critical point <math display="inline">p</math>. ;Smooth points :This is a tube around a <math display="inline">(d-1)</math>-chain <math display="inline">\gamma</math> where the height function <math display="inline">h</math> is maximised at <math display="inline">p</math>.<ref>Pemantle, Wilson and Melczer 2024, pp. 223.</ref> :For example, if <math display="inline">F(x, y) = \frac{1}{1 - x - y}</math> then <math display="inline">\lambda = 1</math> and <math display="inline">B^\lambda</math> is an arc reaching its highest point at <math display="inline">p</math>. :The normal plane <math display="inline">N</math> at <math display="inline">p</math> is a plane orthogonal to <math display="inline">B^1</math>(?). :Its normal link <math display="inline">L(S)</math> is a circle with two points missing where it intersects <math display="inline">\mathcal{V}</math>. :We make our quasi-local cycle out of the product of the arc and circle joined to <math display="inline">M_-</math> at points below <math display="inline">M_-</math>. :With the exception of degenerate points, such as monkey saddles...<ref>e.g. Pemantle, Wilson and Melczer 2024, pp. 211.</ref> ;Transverse multiple points :This is the product of a <math display="inline">k</math>-torus and a <math display="inline">(d-k)</math>-chain <math display="inline">\gamma</math>. The torus is the product of circles about <math display="inline">p</math> in the complex normal space to each strata which intersects <math display="inline">p</math>. The chain <math display="inline">\gamma</math> is supported in the stratum which is the common intersection of the varieties defined by the factors vanishing at <math display="inline">p</math>, and achieves its maximum height at <math display="inline">p</math>.<ref>Pemantle, Wilson and Melczer 2024, pp. 223-224.</ref> ;Arrangement multiple point :This is the product of a <math display="inline">(d-k)</math>-chain <math display="inline">\gamma</math> and several <math display="inline">k</math>-tori, one for each pair of sheets which intersect transversely, where the torus is the product of circles about <math display="inline">p</math> in each sheet.<ref>Pemantle, Wilson and Melczer 2024, pp. 226.</ref> ;Cone point :A cone point is zero-dimensional so there is no <math display="inline">\gamma</math>, just a <math display="inline">d</math>-torus about <math display="inline">p</math>.<ref>Pemantle, Wilson and Melczer 2024, pp. 227.</ref> == Appendix == === Homotopy equivalence === [Assuming no CVAI...] Theorem: # Homotopy equivalence between M_{\leq a} and M_{\leq b}... # If in a range <math display="inline">[a, b]</math> there are no CVAI and only one critical value <math display="inline">c</math>, not equal to either <math display="inline">a</math> or <math display="inline">b</math>, with one or more critical points <math display="inline">z_1, \cdots, z_m</math> then there is a stratified flow deforming any chain in <math display="inline">M</math> to a (homotopic?) chain in the union of <math display="inline">M_{<c}</math> with sufficiently small balls around each critical point. This induces a homotopy between <math display="inline">(M_{c+\epsilon}, M_{c-\epsilon})</math> and the direct sum of <math display="inline">(M_{c-\epsilon} \cup B_{2\epsilon}(z_i), M_{c-\epsilon})</math> for each critical point <math display="inline">z_i</math>.<ref>Pemantle, Wilson and Melczer 2024, pp. 231.</ref> The core of this is the concept of a '''vector field'''. A vector field is a function which assigns, for each point <math display="inline">p</math> in a space, a '''vector''', which can be represented by an arrow whose tail starts at <math display="inline">p</math>.<ref>Henle 1979, pp. 33.</ref> [picture] Imagine we have a vector field <math display="inline">v(x)</math> defined in a space and draw a line through our space. At each point along this line the vector field assigns a vector. If we move each point in this line along the arrow defined by this vector in the direction of the arrow head. This "flows" the entire line along the vectors. We can (potentially) define a function to implement this flow. Define <math display="inline">\Phi(x, t)</math> where <math display="inline">x</math> are points in the space and <math display="inline">t</math> is something like time. As <math display="inline">t</math> goes from zero to some positive number, <math display="inline">\Phi</math> moves the points <math display="inline">x</math> along the vectors. To describe this process formally, we say <math display="inline">\Phi</math> is the solution to the differential equation <math display="block">\frac{d}{dt} \Phi(x, t) = v(x).</math> We want a particular vector field <math display="inline">v</math> with certain properties... The proof of the existence of this vector field is long and complicated and we will not go into it here.<ref>It involves concepts such as Thom's isotopy lemma and Mather's controlled vector flows. See Mather 2012.</ref> Using this vector field <math display="inline">v</math> but modified so as to be zero on <math display="inline">M_{\leq a}</math>. This vector field defines a function <math display="inline">\Phi(x, t)</math> such that * <math display="inline">d/dt \Phi(x, t) = v(x)</math> when <math display="inline">h(x) \in (a, b]</math>. * <math display="inline">\Phi(x, t)</math> is defined for <math display="inline">0 \leq t \leq h(x) - a</math> and in this range <math display="inline">h(\Phi(x, t)) = h(x) - t</math>. * the map <math display="inline">\psi(x) = \Phi(x, b - a)</math> is a continuous map on <math display="inline">M_{\leq b}</math> with range (image?) <math display="inline">M_{\leq a}</math> and fixing <math display="inline">M_{\leq a}</math>. The function <math display="inline">\Phi(x, 0)</math> is the identity on <math display="inline">M_{\leq b}</math> and <math display="inline">\Phi(x, b - a) = \psi(x)</math>, therefore <math display="inline">\Phi</math> in the range <math display="inline">[0, b - a]</math> is a homotopy between the identity on <math display="inline">M_{\leq b}</math> and <math display="inline">\psi</math>. This implies 1)???<ref>Pemantle, Wilson and Melczer 2024, pp. 233.</ref> Define the distance from a critical point <math display="inline">\kappa(x) = \min\{ |x - z_i| : z_1, \cdots, z_m \}</math>. For <math display="inline">s > 0 </math> we define a new vector field <math display="block">v_s(x) = \begin{cases} v(x) & \kappa(x) \geq s \\ \rho(\kappa(x)) v(x) & \kappa(x) \in [s/2, s] \\ 0 & \kappa(x) \leq s/2 \end{cases}</math> for a smooth non-decreasing function <math display="inline">\rho</math> where <math display="inline">\rho(s/2) = 0</math>. Define <math display="inline">\Phi_s</math> as the function such that <math display="inline">d/dt \Phi(x, t)_s = v_s(x)</math>. The height function <math display="inline">h</math> is non-increasing along <math display="inline">\Phi_s</math> (by implication of bullet point 2?) so points in <math display="inline">M_{\leq c-\epsilon}</math> stay in <math display="inline">M_{\leq c - \epsilon}</math> when flowed along <math display="inline">\Phi_s</math> and therefore <math display="inline">\Phi_s</math> is a homotopy equivalence between <math display="inline">(M_{\leq c+\epsilon}, M_{\leq c-\epsilon})</math> and <math display="inline">(\Phi(M_{\leq c+\epsilon}, 2\epsilon), M_{\leq c-\epsilon})</math>. By <math display="inline">\Phi(M_{\leq c+\epsilon}, 2\epsilon)</math> we mean the space <math display="inline">M_{\leq c+\epsilon}</math> flowed along <math display="inline">\Phi(x, t)</math> for a short period of time <math display="inline">2\epsilon</math>. [Prove it has the same critical points and is proper?] <math display="inline">\Phi(M_{\leq c+\epsilon}, 2\epsilon)</math> takes points in <math display="inline">M_{\leq c+\epsilon}</math> to <math display="inline">M_{\leq c-\epsilon}</math> except for those that come within <math display="inline">s</math> of a critical point within time <math display="inline">2\epsilon</math>. Therefore, we see how we <math display="inline">\Phi_s</math> can homotopically deform a chain in <math display="inline">M_{\leq c+\epsilon}</math> to a chain in the union of <math display="inline">M_{\leq c-\epsilon}</math> and small neighbourhoods of critical points.<ref>Pemantle, Wilson and Melczer 2024, pp. 234-235.</ref> On the assumption of this theorem, we can start with any chain in <math display="inline">M</math> and deform this chain to <math display="inline">M_{c_1+}</math> using part 1. Then we deform this chain to a chain in the union of <math display="inline">M_{c_1-}</math> and small balls around the critical points. The (sub?)chain in <math display="inline">M_{c_1-}</math> is then deformed to a chain in <math display="inline">M_{c_2+}</math>, which is deformed to a chain in <math display="inline">M_{c_2-} \cup z_{c_2}</math>, and so on. Eventually, we get to <math display="inline">M_{c_j-}</math> which is homotopic to any space "below" it. Therefore, we have deformed our chain in <math display="inline">M</math> to a homotopic chain in the union of small balls around critical points.<ref>Baryshnikov, Melczer and Pemantle 2022, pp. ???.</ref><ref>Pemantle, Wilson and Melczer 2024, pp. 217???</ref> [Direct sum of homology generators for relative cycles] == Notes == {{Reflist}} == References == * {{citation | last1=Baryshnikov | first1=Yuliy | last2=Melczer | first2=Stephen | last3=Pemantle | first3=Robin | title=Stationary Points at Infinity for Analytic Combinatorics | year=2022 | journal=Foundations of Computational Mathematics | volume=22 | number=5 | pages=1631-1664 | url=https://www2.math.upenn.edu/~pemantle/papers/SPAI-published-version.pdf }}. * {{cite book | last1=Goresky | first1=Mark | last2=MacPherson | first2=Robert | title=Stratified Morse Theory | publisher=Springer-Verlag | year=1988 | url=https://www.math.ias.edu/~goresky/pdf/SMT.djvu }} * {{cite book | last=Henle | first1=Michael | title=A Combinatorial Introduction to Topology | publisher=Dover Publications Inc. New York | year=1979 }} * {{citation | last=Mather | first=John | title=Notes on Topological Stability | year=2012 | journal=Bulletin of the American Mathematical Society | volume=49 | number=4 | pages=475-506 | url=https://www.ams.org/journals/bull/2012-49-04/S0273-0979-2012-01383-6/S0273-0979-2012-01383-6.pdf }}. * {{cite book | last1=Pemantle | first1=Robin | last2=Wilson | first2=Mark C. | last3=Melczer | first3=Stephen | title=Analytic Combinatorics in Several Variables | publisher=Cambridge University Press | year=2024 | edition=2nd | url=https://acsvproject.com/PemantleWilsonMelczer23.pdf }} azsv87i231zsnh88iiy55c60j3ustr4 4671646 4671645 2026-09-21T18:34:38Z Dom walden 3209423 /* Step 3 */ statement of theorem 4671646 wikitext text/x-wiki == Introduction == Morse theory tells us that the topology of M only changes at its critical points. The "Morse data" tells us the topology at each critical point. Attaching this Morse data together gives us a space which is homopotically eqivalent to M. This space is a "cell complex", which has an easy to calculate homology. Theorem: Our domain of convergence is homotopic to a cell complex of dimension at most <math display="inline">2n - d - 1</math>.<ref>This is theorem D.23 in Pemantle, Wilson and Melczer 2024, pp. 546. Also theorem in section 1.2*/5.2* in SMT pp. 200.</ref> Proof: # <math display="inline">X</math> is our entire domain, <math display="inline">\mathcal{V}</math> our variety # Project our entire domain to complex projective space <math display="inline">Z = \pi(X) \subset \C\mathbb{P}^n - H</math> [define H] # Define a linear subspace <math display="inline">G \subset \C\mathbb{P}^n</math> of dimension <math display="inline">d - 1</math> # Define a Morse function on <math display="inline">f: \C\mathbb{P}^n \to \R</math> which approximates the distance from <math display="inline">G</math> and such that <math display="inline">f^{-1}(0) = G</math> and <math display="inline">f^{-1}(1) = H</math> # We "build" <math display="inline">X - \mathcal{V}</math> from <math display="inline">\pi^{-1}(G \cap Z) \cap (X - \mathcal{V})</math> by attaching CW complexes at critical points which are of at most dimension <math display="inline">2n - d - 1</math> # At a critical point, the normal Morse data is <math display="inline">(J, K) = \coprod_x (J_x, K_x)</math> and the relative complex link is <math display="inline">\mathcal{L}^\pi = \coprod_x \mathcal{L}_x</math> # We show that the quotient <math display="inline">J_x/K_x</math> is homotopic to a CW complex of dimension <math display="inline">\leq 2n - d - 1</math> # The neighbourhood of <math display="inline">x</math> in <math display="inline">J_x</math> is homeomorphic to the cone in <math display="inline">L_x(X - \mathcal{V})</math>, and removing the point <math display="inline">x</math> increases the homotopy dimension to at most the homotopy dimension of <math display="inline">L_x</math> # <math display="inline">(J_x \cup \{x\}, K_x)</math> is homotopic to <math display="inline">(\text{cone}(\mathcal{L}_x), \mathcal{L}_x)</math> # <math display="inline">\mathcal{L}_x</math> is homotopic to a CW complex of dimension at most <math display="inline">2n - d - 1</math> # The tangential Morse data at the critical point is homotopic to the pair <math display="inline">(D^\lambda, \partial D^\lambda)</math> # Therefore, at each critical point a space has been added homotopic to a CW complex of dimension at most <math display="inline">2n - d - 1</math>. Theorem: If <math display="inline">X</math> is the complement in <math display="inline">\C^n</math> of a complex variety <math display="inline">\mathcal{V}</math> of dimension <math display="inline">d</math> then <math display="inline">X</math> is homotopic to a CW complex of dimension at most <math display="inline">2n - d - 1</math>.<ref>Pemantle, Wilson and Melczer 2024, pp. 546.</ref> Proof: # We build <math display="inline">X</math> by attaching cells of dimension at most <math display="inline">2n - d - 1</math> at each critical point. ## Prove that we can do this without changing the homotopy(?) ## We use Thom's Isotopy Lemma to prove that there is a strong deformation retraction, stopping only at critical points. # Prove these cells are a product of the normal and tangential Morse data. ## Normal data: <math display="inline">(\mathcal{L}(S), \partial \mathcal{L}(S)) \times (D^1, \partial D^1)</math> [GM pp. 18] ## Tangential data: <math display="inline">(B_\delta \cap f^{-1}[v - \epsilon, v + \epsilon], B_\delta \cap f^{-1}(v - \epsilon))</math> for <math display="inline">f</math> restricted to <math display="inline">X</math> (or <math display="inline">\mathcal{V}</math>?) [GM pp. 63-64] # If <math display="inline">k</math> is the dimension of the strata, then ## If <math display="inline">k = d</math> then it is a smooth point and the cell is the product of <math display="inline">S^{2(n-d)-1}</math> and the tangential data is dimension at most <math display="inline">d</math>. ## If <math display="inline">k < d</math>, ... <ref>Pemantle, Wilson and Melczer 2024, pp. 547.</ref> == Example in one dimension == Domain with singularities v_1, v_2, ..., v_i Define our height function f... Start with our entire domain X Reduce from X to X_i+ by using Thom's Isotopy lemma to do a strong deformation retract == Thom's isotopy lemma == We present a modified version of Thom's (first) isotopy lemma, less general than the original but more obviously relevant to our situation. Theorem: Suppose <math display="inline">Z</math> is a closed subset of a smooth manifold <math display="inline">M</math> which admits a Whitney stratification and <math display="inline">h : M \to \R</math> is a proper Morse function which has no critical values on <math display="inline">Z</math>. Then, the level sets of <math display="inline">Z</math> are homeomorphic by a homeomorphism that preserves the strata of <math display="inline">Z</math>.<ref>For various versions of the full statement of the theorem, see Mather 2012, pp. 499, Goresky and MacPherson 1988, pp. 41, or Pemantle, Wilson and Melczer 2024, pp. 541.</ref> Proof: # Construct control data for <math display="inline">Z</math> compatible with <math display="inline">h</math>. ## [Prop 7.1] If <math display="inline">h</math> is smooth on <math display="inline">Z</math> and is a submersion for each strata then there exists a family of control data for <math display="inline">Z</math> compatible with <math display="inline">h</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 488.</ref> # This makes <math display="inline">Z</math> an abstract stratified set and <math display="inline">f</math> a controlled submersion. # A controlled submersion has, for any smooth vector field on <math display="inline">\R</math>, a controlled vector field on <math display="inline">Z</math> (a "lift"?)<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 493.</ref> # A controlled vector field has a unique one-parameter family of homeomorphisms of <math display="inline">Z</math> which commute with <math display="inline">h</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 496.</ref> # This makes <math display="inline">h</math> a locally trivial fibration. [Prop 10.2]<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 499.</ref> Control data: A system of '''control data''' for <math display="inline">Z</math> consists of, for each stratum <math display="inline">X</math> of <math display="inline">Z</math>, * a '''tubular neighbourhood''' <math display="inline">T_X</math> of <math display="inline">X</math> * a '''tubular projection function''' <math display="inline">\pi_X: T_X \to X</math>, and * a '''tubular distance function''' <math display="inline">\rho_X: T_X \to \R</math> such that <math display="inline">\rho_X^{-1}(0) = X</math><ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, pp. 42.</ref> [illustration] such that if <math display="inline">X < Y</math> are strata in <math display="inline">Z</math>, then <math display="block">\pi_X \pi_Y(m) = \pi_X(m),</math> <math display="block">\rho_X \pi_Y(m) = \rho_X(m)</math> for all <math display="inline">m \in |T_X| \cap |T_Y|</math> such that <math display="inline">\pi_Y(m) \in |T_X|</math>. If, for all strata <math display="inline">X</math> and all <math display="inline">m \in |T_X|</math>, we have <math display="inline">h \pi_X(m) = h(m)</math>, then this control data will be said to be compatible with <math display="inline">h</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 488.</ref> We prove that if <math display="inline">h</math> is smooth on <math display="inline">Z</math> and is a submersion for each strata then there exists a family of control data for <math display="inline">Z</math> compatible with <math display="inline">h</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 488, prop 7.1.</ref> Let <math display="inline">Z_k</math> be the union of strata of <math display="inline">Z</math> of dimension less than <math display="inline">k</math>. We prove by induction on <math display="inline">k</math>. To construct the tubular neighbourhood <math display="inline">T_X</math> of a stratum <math display="inline">X</math> of dimension less than <math display="inline">k</math>. For <math display="inline">l \leq k</math>, let <math display="inline">U_l</math> denote the union of all <math display="inline">|T_Y|</math> for <math display="inline">Y < X</math> and <math display="inline">\dim Y \geq l</math>. Let <math display="inline">X_l = U_l \cap X</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 489.</ref> For <math display="inline">l = k</math>, <math display="inline">X_k = \empty</math>. Assume by induction that <math display="inline">T_{l+1}</math> has been constructed and that if <math display="inline">Y < X</math>, <math display="inline">\dim Y \geq l + 1</math>, <math display="inline">m \in |T_{l+1}| \cap |T_Y|</math> and <math display="inline">\pi_{l+1}(m) \in |T_Y|</math> (<math display="inline">\pi_{l+1} = \pi_{T_{l+1}}</math>) then<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 489-490.</ref> <math display="block">\rho_Y \pi_{l+1}(m) = \rho_Y(m),</math> <math display="block">\pi_Y \pi_{l+1}(m) = \pi_Y(m).</math> We wish to construct a tubular neighbourhood <math display="inline">T_{X,Y}</math> of <math display="inline">|T_Y| \cap X</math> whose restriction to <math display="inline">|T_Y| \cap X_{l+1}</math> is isomorphic to the restriction of <math display="inline">T_{l+1}</math> such that if <math display="inline">m \in |T_{X,Y}| \cap |T_Y|</math> and <math display="inline">\pi_{X,Y}(m) \in |T_Y|</math> (<math display="inline">\pi_{X,Y} = \pi_{T_{X,Y}}</math>) then <math display="block">\rho_Y \pi_{X,Y}(m) = \rho_Y(m),</math> <math display="block">\pi_Y \pi_{X,Y}(m) = \pi_Y(m).</math> By shrinking <math display="inline">|T_Y|</math> if necessary, this relation is already satisfied if <math display="inline">m \in |T_{l+1}| \cap |T_Y|</math> and <math display="inline">\pi_{l+1}(m) \in |T_Y|</math> with <math display="inline">T_{l+1}</math> in place of <math display="inline">T_{X,Y}</math> and <math display="inline">\pi_{l+1}</math> in place of <math display="inline">\pi_{X,Y}</math>. By the definition, if <math display="inline">m \in |T_{l+1}|</math> then there exists <math display="inline">Z < X</math> with <math display="inline">\dim Z > l</math>, <math display="inline">m \in |T_Z|</math> and <math display="inline">\pi_{l+1}(m) \in |T_Z|</math>. We have that <math display="inline">\pi_{l+1}(m) \in |T_Y| \cap |T_Z|</math> and therefore <math display="inline">Y < Z</math>. Therefore<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 490.</ref> <math display="block">\rho_Y \pi_{l+1}(m) = \rho_Y \pi_Z \pi_{l+1}(m) = \rho_Y \pi_Z(m) = \rho_Y(m),</math> <math display="block">\pi_Y \pi_{l+1}(m) = \pi_Y \pi_Z \pi_{l+1}(m) = \pi_Y \pi_Z(m) = \pi_Y(m).</math> We can prove that, by shrinking <math display="inline">|T_Y|</math>, <math display="inline">(\rho_Y, \pi_Y): |T_Y| \cap X \to \R \times Y</math> is a submersion [prop 7.3?] and that <math display="inline">T_{X,Y}</math> is compatible with <math display="inline">(\rho_Y, \pi_Y): |T_Y| \cap X_{l+1} \to \R \times Y</math>, i.e. <math display="inline">(\rho_Y, \pi_Y) \pi_{X,Y}(m) = (\rho_Y, \pi_Y)(m)</math>(?). To prove it is a submersion, for the tubular neighbourhood <math display="inline">T = (E, \epsilon, \psi)</math> there exists a smooth positive function <math display="inline">\epsilon'</math> such that <math display="block">(\rho_T, \pi_T): Y \cap |T|_{\epsilon'}^0 \to \R \times X,</math> where <math display="inline">|T|_{\epsilon'}^0 = \psi(B_\epsilon \cap B_{\epsilon'})</math>, is a submersion. If <math display="inline">\Sigma</math> is the set <math display="inline">y \in |T|</math> such that the rank of <math display="block">(\rho_T, \pi_T): T \cap |T| \to \R \times X</math> at <math display="inline">y</math> is less than <math display="inline">\dim(\R \times X)</math>. We need to prove that for any <math display="inline">x \in X</math> there exists a neighbourhood of <math display="inline">x</math> which does not intersect with <math display="inline">\Sigma</math>, i.e. the map is not a submersion in this neighbourhood. It follows from [lemma 7.2] that it is enough to prove for <math display="inline">M = \R^m</math>, <math display="inline">X = \R^{m-c} \times 0_c</math> and <math display="inline">T</math> is the '''standard tubular neighbourhood'''.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 489.</ref> By standard tubular neighbourhood, we mean the trivial bundle with base <math display="inline">\R^{m-c}</math> and fibre <math display="inline">\R^c</math> where <math display="inline">\pi: \R^m \to \R^{m-c}</math>...<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 488.</ref> For <math display="inline">y \in |T| - \R^{m-c}</math>, the kernal of the differential of <math display="inline">(\pi_T, \rho_T)</math> at <math display="inline">y</math> is the orthogonal complement of <math display="inline">(\R^{m-c} \times 0_c) \oplus \stackrel{\frown}{y \pi_T(y)}</math> in <math display="inline">\R^m</math>. By the Whitney conditions, we have that for <math display="inline">y</math> near <math display="inline">\R^{m-c}</math>, <math display="inline">(\R^{m-c} \times 0_c) \oplus \stackrel{\frown}{y \pi_T(y)}</math> is close to the set of <math display="inline">m - c + 1</math> planes in <math display="inline">m-</math>space to an <math display="inline">m - c + 1</math> plane in <math display="inline">TY_y</math>. Therefore, for <math display="inline">y</math> near enough to <math display="inline">\R^{m-c}</math>, <math display="inline">TY_y</math> is transverse to the kernal of the differential of <math display="inline">(\pi_T, \rho_T)</math> and, therefore, is a submersion when restricted to <math display="inline">Y</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 489.</ref> To prove that <math display="inline">T_{X,Y}</math> is compatible with <math display="inline">(\rho_Y, \pi_Y): |T_Y| \cap X_{l+1} \to \R \times Y</math>...<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 490.</ref> Therefore, there exists a tubular neighbourhood <math display="inline">T_0</math> of <math display="inline">X_0</math> satisfying <math display="block">\rho_Y \pi_0(m) = \rho_Y(m),</math> <math display="block">\pi_Y \pi_0(m) = \pi_Y(m).</math> From this we can prove that <math display="inline">T_0</math> is compatible with <math display="inline">h</math>. Replacing <math display="inline">T_0</math> with a smaller tubular neighbourhood if necessary we can assume <math display="inline">m \in |T_0|</math> such that for some <math display="inline">Y < X</math>, <math display="inline">m \in |T_Y|</math> and <math display="inline">\pi_0(m) \in |T_Y|</math>, then<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 490.</ref> <math display="block">h \pi_0(m) = h \pi_Y \pi_0(m) = h \pi_Y(m) = h(m).</math> By the generalised tubular neighourhood theorem [prop 7.2?], we can replace <math display="inline">T_0</math> with a tubular neighbourhood <math display="inline">T</math> of <math display="inline">X</math> compatible with <math display="inline">h</math>. This completes the construction of <math display="inline">T_X</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 491.</ref> This makes <math display="inline">Z</math> an '''abstract stratified set''' with axioms...<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 491-492.</ref> This also makes <math display="inline">h</math> a '''controlled submersion''' because # <math display="inline">h|X: X \to \R</math> is a smooth submersion on each strata <math display="inline">X</math> of <math display="inline">Z</math>, and # for each stratum <math display="inline">X</math> there is a tubular neighbourhood <math display="inline">T'_X</math> such that <math display="inline">h(v) = h \pi_X(v)</math> for all <math display="inline">v \in T'_X</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 493.</ref> The core of this is the concept of a '''vector field'''. A vector field is a function which assigns, for each point <math display="inline">p</math> in a space, a '''vector''', which can be represented by an arrow whose tail starts at <math display="inline">p</math>.<ref>Henle 1979, pp. 33.</ref> [picture] Imagine we have a vector field <math display="inline">v(x)</math> defined in a space and draw a line through our space. At each point along this line the vector field assigns a vector. If we move each point in this line along the arrow defined by this vector in the direction of the arrow head. This "flows" the entire line along the vectors. [picture] We define a '''stratified vector field''' <math display="inline">\eta</math> on <math display="inline">Z</math> to be a family of smooth vector fields <math display="inline">\eta_X</math>, one for each strata <math display="inline">X</math> of <math display="inline">Z</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 493.</ref> We define a '''controlled vector field''' <math display="inline">\eta</math> on <math display="inline">Z</math> to be a stratified vector field such that for any strata <math display="inline">Y</math> there exists a tubular neighbourhood <math display="inline">T'_Y</math> such that for any <math display="inline">X > Y</math> and any <math display="inline">v \in T'_X \cap X</math><ref>Mather 2012, pp. 493.</ref> <math display="block">\eta_X \rho_{Y,X}(v) = 0,</math> <math display="block">(\pi_{Y,X})_* \eta_X(v) = \eta_Y (\pi_{Y,X}(v)).</math> We prove that if <math display="inline">h</math> is a controlled submersion then, for any smooth vector field <math display="inline">\zeta</math> on <math display="inline">\R</math> there is a controlled vector field <math display="inline">\eta</math> on <math display="inline">Z</math> such that <math display="inline">h_* \eta(v) = \zeta(h(v))</math> for all <math display="inline">v \in Z</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 493.</ref> Proceeding by induction on the maximum dimension of the strata of <math display="inline">Z</math>, we define <math display="inline">Z_k</math> to be the union of strata of <math display="inline">Z</math> of dimension at most <math display="inline">k</math>. The tubular neighbourhood of <math display="inline">Z_k</math> is the intersection of the tubular neighbourhoods of each strata in <math display="inline">Z_k</math> with <math display="inline">Z</math>. The projection and distance functions are the restrictions of the respective functions of <math display="inline">Z</math>. It is trivially true when the maximum dimension of strata in <math display="inline">Z</math> is zero. Assume it is true for <math display="inline">k</math> and construct each <math display="inline">\eta_X</math> separately for each stratum <math display="inline">X</math> of dimension <math display="inline">k + 1</math>. By the assumption that we have controlled vector fields for all strata <math display="inline">Y</math> of dimension at most <math display="inline">k</math>, we have the two control conditions defined above for any <math display="inline">X > Y</math> and that there is a neighbourhood <math display="inline">T^1_Y</math> such that <math display="inline">h(v) = h \pi_Y(v)</math> for <math display="inline">v \in T^1_Y</math>. We want to prove that for all <math display="inline">Y < X</math>, the control conditions are satisfied for all <math display="inline">v \in T^2_Y</math> and that <math display="inline">h_*\eta_X(v) = \zeta(v)</math> for all <math display="inline">v \in X</math>. Take a point <math display="inline">x \in X</math> and define the set <math display="inline">S_v</math> of strata <math display="inline">Y < X</math> such that <math display="inline">v \in T^2_Y</math>. <math display="inline">S_v</math> is totally ordered since if <math display="inline">Y_1</math> and <math display="inline">Y_2</math> are not comparable then <math display="inline">T^2_{Y_1} \cap T^2_{Y_2} = \empty</math>. Therefore, there is a largest member <math display="inline">Y = Y_v</math>. Assume the control conditions hold for <math display="inline">Y = Y_v</math>. Then they hold for all <math display="inline">Y_i \in S_v</math>. For, either <math display="inline">Y_i = Y</math> or <math display="inline">Y_i < Y</math>. In the latter case, <math display="inline">\pi_Y(v) \in T^1_{Y_i}</math> (by the choice of <math display="inline">T^2_Y</math>'s [is this why?]. Then <math display="block">\begin{align} \eta_X(v) \rho_{Y_i,X}(v) &= \eta_X \rho_{Y_i,Y} \pi_{Y,X}(v) \\ &= (\pi_{Y,X})_* \eta_X(v) \rho_{Y_i,Y} \\ &= \eta_Y(\pi_{Y,X}(v)) \rho_{Y_i,Y} \\ &= 0 \end{align}</math> and <math display="block">\begin{align} (\pi_{Y_i,X})_* \eta_X(v) &= (\pi_{Y_i,Y})_* (\pi_{Y,X})_* \eta_X(v) \\ &= (\pi_{Y_i,Y})_* \eta_Y(v) (\pi_{Y,X}) \\ &= \eta_{Y_i}(\pi_{Y_i,Y} \pi_{Y,X}(v)) \\ &= \eta_{Y_i}(\pi_{Y_i,X}(v)) \end{align}</math> and, therefore, condition holds for all <math display="inline">Y_i \in S_v</math>. Also, <math display="block">\begin{align} h_* \eta_X(v) &= (h \circ \pi_{Y,X})_* \eta_X(v) \\ &= h_* \eta_Y (\pi_{Y,X}(v)) \\ &= \zeta(f(v)) \end{align}</math> and, therefore, the conclusion of the theorem holds at <math display="inline">v</math>. This shows we can construct <math display="inline">\eta_X</math> satisfying the control conditions when <math display="inline">S_v</math> is non-empty and satisfying the theorem when <math display="inline">S_v</math> is empty. The set of vectors satisfying these conditions is convex in <math display="inline">TX_v</math>, and so we construct <math display="inline">\eta_X</math> globally via a partition of unity.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 493-495.</ref> Finally, we prove that a controlled vector field has a unique one-parameter family of homeomorphisms of <math display="inline">Z</math> which commute with <math display="inline">h</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, this combines Proposition 10.1 and Corollary 10.2 on pp. 496 and 497, respectively.</ref> For each stratum <math display="inline">X</math> of <math display="inline">Z</math>, <math display="inline">\eta_X</math> generates a unique smooth local one-parameter group <math display="inline">(J_X, \alpha_X)</math> of diffeomorphisms of <math display="inline">X</math> (by standard results of differential geometry), such that <math display="inline">\frac{d}{dt} \alpha(t, v)|_{t=0} = \eta_X(v)</math>, <math display="inline">J_X</math> is an open subset of <math display="inline">\R \times Z</math>, ... If we define <math display="inline">(J, \alpha)</math> by <math display="block">J = \bigcup_{X \in S} J_X</math> <math display="block">\alpha = \bigcup_{X \in S} \alpha_X</math> we can prove that this is a local one-parameter family of homeomorphisms.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 496.</ref> Firstly, it is clear that # <math display="inline">0 \times Z \subseteq J</math> and <math display="inline">\alpha(0, v) = v</math> for all <math display="inline">v \in Z</math>. # If <math display="inline">v \in Z</math> then <math display="inline">J_v = J \cap (\R \times v) \subseteq \R</math> is an open interval <math display="inline">(a_v, b_v)</math>, possibly infinite at one or both ends. # If <math display="inline">v \in Z</math> and <math display="inline">t, s, t + s</math> are in <math display="inline">(a_v, b_v)</math> then <math display="inline">\alpha(t + s, v) = \alpha(t, \alpha(s, v))</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 495.</ref> Secondly, it is clear that <math display="inline">\eta</math> generates <math display="inline">\alpha</math> because # Each stratum <math display="inline">X</math> of <math display="inline">Z</math> is invariant under <math display="inline">\alpha</math>, i.e. <math display="inline">\alpha[J \cap (\R \times X)] \subseteq X</math>. # For each <math display="inline">v \in Z</math>, the map <math display="inline">t \to \alpha(t, v)</math> of <math display="inline">(a_v, b_v)</math> into the stratum which contains <math display="inline">v</math> is <math display="inline">C^1</math>. # For any <math display="inline">(t, v) \in Z</math>(?) we have <math display="inline">d/dt \alpha(t, v) = \eta(\alpha(t, v))</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 495.</ref> It is unique because each <math display="inline">(J_X, \alpha_X)</math> is unique. We just need to prove that <math display="inline">J</math> is open, <math display="inline">\alpha</math> is continuous, and for any <math display="inline">v \in Z</math> and any compact set <math display="inline">K \subseteq Z</math> there exists <math display="inline">\epsilon > 0</math> such that <math display="inline">\alpha(t, v) \notin K</math> if <math display="inline">t \in (a_v, a_v + \epsilon) \cup (b_v - \epsilon, b_v)</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 495.</ref> For the latter-most condition, if it did not hold then there exists...<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 496-497.</ref> We prove there is a homeomorphism <math display="inline">f: Z \to h^{-1}(0) \times \R</math> such that <math display="inline">\pi \circ f = h</math>, where <math display="inline">\pi: h^{-1}(0) \times \R \to \R</math> is projection to the second factor. For the coordinate vector field <math display="inline">\partial</math> on <math display="inline">\R</math>, by [prop 9.1] there is a controlled vector field <math display="inline">\tilde\partial</math> such that <math display="inline">f_* \tilde\partial(v) = \partial(h(v))</math> for <math display="inline">v \in Z</math>. By [prop 10.1], <math display="inline">\tilde\partial</math> generates a local one-parameter group <math display="inline">(J, \alpha)</math> such that <math display="block">h(\alpha(t,v)) = h(v) + t</math> <math display="inline">h</math> is proper and [d] holds, so <math display="inline">J = \R \times Z</math>. If we define <math display="inline">f</math> as <math display="block">f(v) = (\alpha(-t, v), h(v))</math> then <math display="inline">f</math> maps <math display="inline">Z</math> into <math display="inline">h^{-1}(0) \times \R</math> and <math display="inline">\pi \circ f = h</math>. If we define <math display="inline">\bar f: h^{-1}(0) \times \R \to Z</math> as <math display="block">\bar f(v, t) = \alpha(t, v)</math> then <math display="inline">f \bar f = \bar f f = Id</math> and <math display="inline">f</math> is a homeomorphism.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 497.</ref> == Topology at critical points == Theorem: If there is a critical point <math display="inline">p</math> in the singular variety <math display="inline">\mathcal{V}</math> with critical value <math display="inline">v \in (a, b)</math> then the space <math display="inline">X_{\leq b}</math> is homotopic to<ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, pp. 174.</ref> <math display="block">X_{\leq a} \cup [(D^{\lambda+1}, \partial D^{\lambda+1}) \times (\mathcal{L}_X, \partial \mathcal{L}_X)].</math> Proof:<ref>Proof outline comes from Goresky and MacPherson 1988, pp. 174.</ref> # <math display="inline">(X_{\leq b}, X_{\leq a})</math> is homeomorphic to <math display="inline">(X_{\leq v + \epsilon}, X_{\leq v -\epsilon})</math>. We can prove this by "moving wall" or Thom's Isotopy Lemma.<ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, pp. 90-91, 120.</ref> # <math display="inline">X_{\leq v + \epsilon}</math> is homeomorphic to <math display="inline">X_{\leq v - \epsilon} \cup (J, K)</math>, where the latter is the local Morse data for <math display="inline">h</math> at <math display="inline">p</math>. We do this by moving the wall...<ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, pp. 95-96, 120-121.</ref> # <math display="inline">(J, K)</math> is homeomorphic to <math display="inline">(D^{\lambda+1}, \partial D^{\lambda+1}) \times (\mathcal{L}_X, \partial \mathcal{L}_X)</math> (tangential data, normal data). Again, moving the wall...<ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, pp. 65-66, chapter 8, 121.</ref> # The normal Morse data depends only on the differential <math display="inline">df(p)</math>.<ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, pp. 93.</ref> # The normal Morse data has the homotopy type of <math display="inline">(\mathcal{L}_X, \partial \mathcal{L}_X)</math>.<ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, pp. 169.</ref> === Step 1 === We get this immediately(?) by Thom's Isotopy Lemma. === Step 2 === <ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, complex case on pp. 120-121 is extension of real case on pp. 95-96.</ref> We take our space <math display="inline">M</math> and map it onto <math display="inline">\R^2</math> with the map <math display="inline">F(z) = (r(z), h(z))</math>, where <math display="inline">z \in M</math> and <math display="inline">r</math> is the square of the distance of <math display="inline">z</math> to the critical point <math display="inline">p</math>. [graph of mapping] What we want is a homeomorphism in <math display="inline">M</math> between the space <math display="inline">Z_{\leq \epsilon}</math> and <math display="inline">Z_{\leq \epsilon} \cup B</math>, where <math display="inline">B</math> is a small region of the critical point <math display="inline">p</math>. The '''local Morse data''' is <math display="block">((B_\delta \cap Z) \cap f^{-1}[v-\epsilon, v+\epsilon], (B_\delta \cap Z) \cap f^{-1}(v-\epsilon))</math> where <math display="inline">B_\delta</math> is a closed disc in <math display="inline">M</math> of radius <math display="inline">\delta</math>.<ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, pp. 63-64.</ref> Observe that this is the pair <math display="inline">(F^{-1}(\text{Box}(\delta, \epsilon)), F^{-1}(\text{Bottom}(\delta, \epsilon)))</math><ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, pp. 91.</ref> [explain Box, Bottom, etc.] [picture of the two subspaces of Z in M] We use our map <math display="inline">F</math> to convert these two subspaces to subspaces of <math display="inline">\R^2</math> which are of the form <math display="inline">Y_1 = \{(x,y) \in \R^2 | y \leq \epsilon\}</math> and <math display="inline">Y_0 = \{(x,y) \in \R^2 | y \leq -\epsilon\} \cup \{(x,y) \in \R^2 | x \leq \delta, y \leq \epsilon\}</math>, such that <math display="inline">Z_{\leq \epsilon} = F^{-1}(Y_1)</math> and <math display="inline">Z_{\leq \epsilon} \cup B = F^{-1}(Y_0)</math>.<ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, pp. 95-96.</ref> We use a homeomorphism between <math display="inline">Y_1</math> and <math display="inline">Y_0</math> using the technique of "moving the wall" and Thom's Isotopy Lemma.<ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, chapter 4, particularly pp. 71-72.</ref> For the composition <math display="block">Z \times \R \subset M \times \R \to_{F \times I} Y \subset \R^2 \times \R \to_{\pi} \R</math> where <math display="inline">Y(t, z) = Y_t(z)</math>, <math display="inline">I</math> is the identity and <math display="inline">\pi</math> is projection to the second factor. <math display="inline">Z \times \R</math> is transverse to <math display="inline">(F \times I)^{-1}(Y)</math>... The composition <math display="inline">\pi \circ (F \times I): Z \times \R \cap (F \times I)^{-1}(Y) \to \R</math> is a stratified submersion... Therefore, we can apply Thom's Isotopy Lemma which says there is a homeomorphism between the level sets of <math display="inline">Z \times \R</math>...<ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, pp. 72.</ref> === Step 3 === We prove there is a stratum preserving homeomorphism between<ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, pp. 65.</ref> <math display="block">\text{Local Morse Data} \cong (\text{Tangential Morse Data}) \times (\text{Normal Morse Data})</math> <ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, chapter 8.</ref> == Morse theory == Steps(?) * Explain topology * Every point of a stratum is locally like a product structure (proved by Thom's Isotopy Lemma) [GM pp. 41-42] ** Including those around critical points, which are the product of normal and tangential Morse data (these are our quasi-local cycles?) * Thom's Isotopy Lemma proves a strong deformation retraction (which only stops at critical points) [PWM pp. 541-542] === Homotopy === We want to replace our domain of convergence <math display="inline">M</math>, which is the complement of our singular variety <math display="inline">\mathcal{V}</math>, with an "equivalent" space <math display="inline">M'</math> which has better understood properties. We say "equivalent" because there are several different things we could mean by "equivalent" in this context. The equivalence we are referring to in this section is called '''homotopy'''. Imagine two subspaces <math display="inline">\gamma_0</math> and <math display="inline">\gamma_1</math> of a space <math display="inline">Y</math> which are defined respectively by smooth functions <math display="inline">f, g: X \to Y</math>. If there exists a smooth function <math display="inline">h_s: X \times [0, 1] \to Y</math>, called a homotopy, such that <math display="inline">h_0 = f</math>, <math display="inline">h_1 = g</math> and for any <math display="inline">\epsilon > 0</math> there exists a <math display="inline">\delta_a</math> and <math display="inline">\delta_b</math> such that when <math display="inline">|s - s_0| < \delta_a</math> and <math display="inline">|x - x_0| < \delta_b</math> we have <math display="inline">|h_s(x) - h_{s_0}(x_0)| < \epsilon</math>, then we say <math display="inline">\gamma_0</math> and <math display="inline">\gamma_1</math> are '''homotopic'''.<ref>Henle 1979, pp. 251-252.</ref> Below is an example where <math display="inline">\gamma_0</math> and <math display="inline">\gamma_1</math> are one-dimensional curves and <math display="inline">H(t, s) = h_s(t)</math>. [[File:Homotopy_curves.png|300px]] In [[#Homotopy_equivalence|Appendix A]], we formally prove that we can construct an equivalent space <math display="inline">M'</math>. We provide only an example to give some intuition before describing how to construct the space <math display="inline">M'</math> in terms of local cycles around critical points. === Motivating example === Imagine a torus and a height function which is just the z value of the point. [[File:3D-Leveltorus.png|200px]] It has four critical points: two at the top and bottom of the outer circle (<math display="inline">p_1, p_4</math>) and two at the top and bottom of the inner circle (<math display="inline">p_2, p_3</math>). [picture] When the height is between the <math display="inline">p_1</math> and <math display="inline">p_2</math>, the space is a two-cell, which can be retracted to a point. [picture] When the height is between <math display="inline">p_2</math> and <math display="inline">p_3</math>, the space is a cylinder, which can be retracted to a two-cell with a one-cell attached. [[File:3D-Cylinder_and_disk_with_handle.png|200px]] When the height is between <math display="inline">p_3</math> and <math display="inline">p_4</math>, the space is a torus with a disc removed, which can be retracted to a cylinder with a one-cell attached. [[File:3D-Cylinder_with_handle_and_torus_with_hole.png|200px]] When the height is greater than <math display="inline">p_4</math>, then the full torus is constructed by attaching a two-cell. [Explain in terms of Morse data and Morse index?] === Morse data and quasi-local cycles === As in the above example, we start at the "bottom" of <math display="inline">M</math> and build upwards until just before we reach our first critical point <math display="inline">p</math>. ;Smooth points :This is a tube around a <math display="inline">(d-1)</math>-chain <math display="inline">\gamma</math> where the height function <math display="inline">h</math> is maximised at <math display="inline">p</math>.<ref>Pemantle, Wilson and Melczer 2024, pp. 223.</ref> :For example, if <math display="inline">F(x, y) = \frac{1}{1 - x - y}</math> then <math display="inline">\lambda = 1</math> and <math display="inline">B^\lambda</math> is an arc reaching its highest point at <math display="inline">p</math>. :The normal plane <math display="inline">N</math> at <math display="inline">p</math> is a plane orthogonal to <math display="inline">B^1</math>(?). :Its normal link <math display="inline">L(S)</math> is a circle with two points missing where it intersects <math display="inline">\mathcal{V}</math>. :We make our quasi-local cycle out of the product of the arc and circle joined to <math display="inline">M_-</math> at points below <math display="inline">M_-</math>. :With the exception of degenerate points, such as monkey saddles...<ref>e.g. Pemantle, Wilson and Melczer 2024, pp. 211.</ref> ;Transverse multiple points :This is the product of a <math display="inline">k</math>-torus and a <math display="inline">(d-k)</math>-chain <math display="inline">\gamma</math>. The torus is the product of circles about <math display="inline">p</math> in the complex normal space to each strata which intersects <math display="inline">p</math>. The chain <math display="inline">\gamma</math> is supported in the stratum which is the common intersection of the varieties defined by the factors vanishing at <math display="inline">p</math>, and achieves its maximum height at <math display="inline">p</math>.<ref>Pemantle, Wilson and Melczer 2024, pp. 223-224.</ref> ;Arrangement multiple point :This is the product of a <math display="inline">(d-k)</math>-chain <math display="inline">\gamma</math> and several <math display="inline">k</math>-tori, one for each pair of sheets which intersect transversely, where the torus is the product of circles about <math display="inline">p</math> in each sheet.<ref>Pemantle, Wilson and Melczer 2024, pp. 226.</ref> ;Cone point :A cone point is zero-dimensional so there is no <math display="inline">\gamma</math>, just a <math display="inline">d</math>-torus about <math display="inline">p</math>.<ref>Pemantle, Wilson and Melczer 2024, pp. 227.</ref> == Appendix == === Homotopy equivalence === [Assuming no CVAI...] Theorem: # Homotopy equivalence between M_{\leq a} and M_{\leq b}... # If in a range <math display="inline">[a, b]</math> there are no CVAI and only one critical value <math display="inline">c</math>, not equal to either <math display="inline">a</math> or <math display="inline">b</math>, with one or more critical points <math display="inline">z_1, \cdots, z_m</math> then there is a stratified flow deforming any chain in <math display="inline">M</math> to a (homotopic?) chain in the union of <math display="inline">M_{<c}</math> with sufficiently small balls around each critical point. This induces a homotopy between <math display="inline">(M_{c+\epsilon}, M_{c-\epsilon})</math> and the direct sum of <math display="inline">(M_{c-\epsilon} \cup B_{2\epsilon}(z_i), M_{c-\epsilon})</math> for each critical point <math display="inline">z_i</math>.<ref>Pemantle, Wilson and Melczer 2024, pp. 231.</ref> The core of this is the concept of a '''vector field'''. A vector field is a function which assigns, for each point <math display="inline">p</math> in a space, a '''vector''', which can be represented by an arrow whose tail starts at <math display="inline">p</math>.<ref>Henle 1979, pp. 33.</ref> [picture] Imagine we have a vector field <math display="inline">v(x)</math> defined in a space and draw a line through our space. At each point along this line the vector field assigns a vector. If we move each point in this line along the arrow defined by this vector in the direction of the arrow head. This "flows" the entire line along the vectors. We can (potentially) define a function to implement this flow. Define <math display="inline">\Phi(x, t)</math> where <math display="inline">x</math> are points in the space and <math display="inline">t</math> is something like time. As <math display="inline">t</math> goes from zero to some positive number, <math display="inline">\Phi</math> moves the points <math display="inline">x</math> along the vectors. To describe this process formally, we say <math display="inline">\Phi</math> is the solution to the differential equation <math display="block">\frac{d}{dt} \Phi(x, t) = v(x).</math> We want a particular vector field <math display="inline">v</math> with certain properties... The proof of the existence of this vector field is long and complicated and we will not go into it here.<ref>It involves concepts such as Thom's isotopy lemma and Mather's controlled vector flows. See Mather 2012.</ref> Using this vector field <math display="inline">v</math> but modified so as to be zero on <math display="inline">M_{\leq a}</math>. This vector field defines a function <math display="inline">\Phi(x, t)</math> such that * <math display="inline">d/dt \Phi(x, t) = v(x)</math> when <math display="inline">h(x) \in (a, b]</math>. * <math display="inline">\Phi(x, t)</math> is defined for <math display="inline">0 \leq t \leq h(x) - a</math> and in this range <math display="inline">h(\Phi(x, t)) = h(x) - t</math>. * the map <math display="inline">\psi(x) = \Phi(x, b - a)</math> is a continuous map on <math display="inline">M_{\leq b}</math> with range (image?) <math display="inline">M_{\leq a}</math> and fixing <math display="inline">M_{\leq a}</math>. The function <math display="inline">\Phi(x, 0)</math> is the identity on <math display="inline">M_{\leq b}</math> and <math display="inline">\Phi(x, b - a) = \psi(x)</math>, therefore <math display="inline">\Phi</math> in the range <math display="inline">[0, b - a]</math> is a homotopy between the identity on <math display="inline">M_{\leq b}</math> and <math display="inline">\psi</math>. This implies 1)???<ref>Pemantle, Wilson and Melczer 2024, pp. 233.</ref> Define the distance from a critical point <math display="inline">\kappa(x) = \min\{ |x - z_i| : z_1, \cdots, z_m \}</math>. For <math display="inline">s > 0 </math> we define a new vector field <math display="block">v_s(x) = \begin{cases} v(x) & \kappa(x) \geq s \\ \rho(\kappa(x)) v(x) & \kappa(x) \in [s/2, s] \\ 0 & \kappa(x) \leq s/2 \end{cases}</math> for a smooth non-decreasing function <math display="inline">\rho</math> where <math display="inline">\rho(s/2) = 0</math>. Define <math display="inline">\Phi_s</math> as the function such that <math display="inline">d/dt \Phi(x, t)_s = v_s(x)</math>. The height function <math display="inline">h</math> is non-increasing along <math display="inline">\Phi_s</math> (by implication of bullet point 2?) so points in <math display="inline">M_{\leq c-\epsilon}</math> stay in <math display="inline">M_{\leq c - \epsilon}</math> when flowed along <math display="inline">\Phi_s</math> and therefore <math display="inline">\Phi_s</math> is a homotopy equivalence between <math display="inline">(M_{\leq c+\epsilon}, M_{\leq c-\epsilon})</math> and <math display="inline">(\Phi(M_{\leq c+\epsilon}, 2\epsilon), M_{\leq c-\epsilon})</math>. By <math display="inline">\Phi(M_{\leq c+\epsilon}, 2\epsilon)</math> we mean the space <math display="inline">M_{\leq c+\epsilon}</math> flowed along <math display="inline">\Phi(x, t)</math> for a short period of time <math display="inline">2\epsilon</math>. [Prove it has the same critical points and is proper?] <math display="inline">\Phi(M_{\leq c+\epsilon}, 2\epsilon)</math> takes points in <math display="inline">M_{\leq c+\epsilon}</math> to <math display="inline">M_{\leq c-\epsilon}</math> except for those that come within <math display="inline">s</math> of a critical point within time <math display="inline">2\epsilon</math>. Therefore, we see how we <math display="inline">\Phi_s</math> can homotopically deform a chain in <math display="inline">M_{\leq c+\epsilon}</math> to a chain in the union of <math display="inline">M_{\leq c-\epsilon}</math> and small neighbourhoods of critical points.<ref>Pemantle, Wilson and Melczer 2024, pp. 234-235.</ref> On the assumption of this theorem, we can start with any chain in <math display="inline">M</math> and deform this chain to <math display="inline">M_{c_1+}</math> using part 1. Then we deform this chain to a chain in the union of <math display="inline">M_{c_1-}</math> and small balls around the critical points. The (sub?)chain in <math display="inline">M_{c_1-}</math> is then deformed to a chain in <math display="inline">M_{c_2+}</math>, which is deformed to a chain in <math display="inline">M_{c_2-} \cup z_{c_2}</math>, and so on. Eventually, we get to <math display="inline">M_{c_j-}</math> which is homotopic to any space "below" it. Therefore, we have deformed our chain in <math display="inline">M</math> to a homotopic chain in the union of small balls around critical points.<ref>Baryshnikov, Melczer and Pemantle 2022, pp. ???.</ref><ref>Pemantle, Wilson and Melczer 2024, pp. 217???</ref> [Direct sum of homology generators for relative cycles] == Notes == {{Reflist}} == References == * {{citation | last1=Baryshnikov | first1=Yuliy | last2=Melczer | first2=Stephen | last3=Pemantle | first3=Robin | title=Stationary Points at Infinity for Analytic Combinatorics | year=2022 | journal=Foundations of Computational Mathematics | volume=22 | number=5 | pages=1631-1664 | url=https://www2.math.upenn.edu/~pemantle/papers/SPAI-published-version.pdf }}. * {{cite book | last1=Goresky | first1=Mark | last2=MacPherson | first2=Robert | title=Stratified Morse Theory | publisher=Springer-Verlag | year=1988 | url=https://www.math.ias.edu/~goresky/pdf/SMT.djvu }} * {{cite book | last=Henle | first1=Michael | title=A Combinatorial Introduction to Topology | publisher=Dover Publications Inc. New York | year=1979 }} * {{citation | last=Mather | first=John | title=Notes on Topological Stability | year=2012 | journal=Bulletin of the American Mathematical Society | volume=49 | number=4 | pages=475-506 | url=https://www.ams.org/journals/bull/2012-49-04/S0273-0979-2012-01383-6/S0273-0979-2012-01383-6.pdf }}. * {{cite book | last1=Pemantle | first1=Robin | last2=Wilson | first2=Mark C. | last3=Melczer | first3=Stephen | title=Analytic Combinatorics in Several Variables | publisher=Cambridge University Press | year=2024 | edition=2nd | url=https://acsvproject.com/PemantleWilsonMelczer23.pdf }} jtk4qh9e7c77po6hygs5aap7xyurlgb 4671648 4671646 2026-09-21T18:41:11Z Dom walden 3209423 /* Step 3 */ outline of proof 4671648 wikitext text/x-wiki == Introduction == Morse theory tells us that the topology of M only changes at its critical points. The "Morse data" tells us the topology at each critical point. Attaching this Morse data together gives us a space which is homopotically eqivalent to M. This space is a "cell complex", which has an easy to calculate homology. Theorem: Our domain of convergence is homotopic to a cell complex of dimension at most <math display="inline">2n - d - 1</math>.<ref>This is theorem D.23 in Pemantle, Wilson and Melczer 2024, pp. 546. Also theorem in section 1.2*/5.2* in SMT pp. 200.</ref> Proof: # <math display="inline">X</math> is our entire domain, <math display="inline">\mathcal{V}</math> our variety # Project our entire domain to complex projective space <math display="inline">Z = \pi(X) \subset \C\mathbb{P}^n - H</math> [define H] # Define a linear subspace <math display="inline">G \subset \C\mathbb{P}^n</math> of dimension <math display="inline">d - 1</math> # Define a Morse function on <math display="inline">f: \C\mathbb{P}^n \to \R</math> which approximates the distance from <math display="inline">G</math> and such that <math display="inline">f^{-1}(0) = G</math> and <math display="inline">f^{-1}(1) = H</math> # We "build" <math display="inline">X - \mathcal{V}</math> from <math display="inline">\pi^{-1}(G \cap Z) \cap (X - \mathcal{V})</math> by attaching CW complexes at critical points which are of at most dimension <math display="inline">2n - d - 1</math> # At a critical point, the normal Morse data is <math display="inline">(J, K) = \coprod_x (J_x, K_x)</math> and the relative complex link is <math display="inline">\mathcal{L}^\pi = \coprod_x \mathcal{L}_x</math> # We show that the quotient <math display="inline">J_x/K_x</math> is homotopic to a CW complex of dimension <math display="inline">\leq 2n - d - 1</math> # The neighbourhood of <math display="inline">x</math> in <math display="inline">J_x</math> is homeomorphic to the cone in <math display="inline">L_x(X - \mathcal{V})</math>, and removing the point <math display="inline">x</math> increases the homotopy dimension to at most the homotopy dimension of <math display="inline">L_x</math> # <math display="inline">(J_x \cup \{x\}, K_x)</math> is homotopic to <math display="inline">(\text{cone}(\mathcal{L}_x), \mathcal{L}_x)</math> # <math display="inline">\mathcal{L}_x</math> is homotopic to a CW complex of dimension at most <math display="inline">2n - d - 1</math> # The tangential Morse data at the critical point is homotopic to the pair <math display="inline">(D^\lambda, \partial D^\lambda)</math> # Therefore, at each critical point a space has been added homotopic to a CW complex of dimension at most <math display="inline">2n - d - 1</math>. Theorem: If <math display="inline">X</math> is the complement in <math display="inline">\C^n</math> of a complex variety <math display="inline">\mathcal{V}</math> of dimension <math display="inline">d</math> then <math display="inline">X</math> is homotopic to a CW complex of dimension at most <math display="inline">2n - d - 1</math>.<ref>Pemantle, Wilson and Melczer 2024, pp. 546.</ref> Proof: # We build <math display="inline">X</math> by attaching cells of dimension at most <math display="inline">2n - d - 1</math> at each critical point. ## Prove that we can do this without changing the homotopy(?) ## We use Thom's Isotopy Lemma to prove that there is a strong deformation retraction, stopping only at critical points. # Prove these cells are a product of the normal and tangential Morse data. ## Normal data: <math display="inline">(\mathcal{L}(S), \partial \mathcal{L}(S)) \times (D^1, \partial D^1)</math> [GM pp. 18] ## Tangential data: <math display="inline">(B_\delta \cap f^{-1}[v - \epsilon, v + \epsilon], B_\delta \cap f^{-1}(v - \epsilon))</math> for <math display="inline">f</math> restricted to <math display="inline">X</math> (or <math display="inline">\mathcal{V}</math>?) [GM pp. 63-64] # If <math display="inline">k</math> is the dimension of the strata, then ## If <math display="inline">k = d</math> then it is a smooth point and the cell is the product of <math display="inline">S^{2(n-d)-1}</math> and the tangential data is dimension at most <math display="inline">d</math>. ## If <math display="inline">k < d</math>, ... <ref>Pemantle, Wilson and Melczer 2024, pp. 547.</ref> == Example in one dimension == Domain with singularities v_1, v_2, ..., v_i Define our height function f... Start with our entire domain X Reduce from X to X_i+ by using Thom's Isotopy lemma to do a strong deformation retract == Thom's isotopy lemma == We present a modified version of Thom's (first) isotopy lemma, less general than the original but more obviously relevant to our situation. Theorem: Suppose <math display="inline">Z</math> is a closed subset of a smooth manifold <math display="inline">M</math> which admits a Whitney stratification and <math display="inline">h : M \to \R</math> is a proper Morse function which has no critical values on <math display="inline">Z</math>. Then, the level sets of <math display="inline">Z</math> are homeomorphic by a homeomorphism that preserves the strata of <math display="inline">Z</math>.<ref>For various versions of the full statement of the theorem, see Mather 2012, pp. 499, Goresky and MacPherson 1988, pp. 41, or Pemantle, Wilson and Melczer 2024, pp. 541.</ref> Proof: # Construct control data for <math display="inline">Z</math> compatible with <math display="inline">h</math>. ## [Prop 7.1] If <math display="inline">h</math> is smooth on <math display="inline">Z</math> and is a submersion for each strata then there exists a family of control data for <math display="inline">Z</math> compatible with <math display="inline">h</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 488.</ref> # This makes <math display="inline">Z</math> an abstract stratified set and <math display="inline">f</math> a controlled submersion. # A controlled submersion has, for any smooth vector field on <math display="inline">\R</math>, a controlled vector field on <math display="inline">Z</math> (a "lift"?)<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 493.</ref> # A controlled vector field has a unique one-parameter family of homeomorphisms of <math display="inline">Z</math> which commute with <math display="inline">h</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 496.</ref> # This makes <math display="inline">h</math> a locally trivial fibration. [Prop 10.2]<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 499.</ref> Control data: A system of '''control data''' for <math display="inline">Z</math> consists of, for each stratum <math display="inline">X</math> of <math display="inline">Z</math>, * a '''tubular neighbourhood''' <math display="inline">T_X</math> of <math display="inline">X</math> * a '''tubular projection function''' <math display="inline">\pi_X: T_X \to X</math>, and * a '''tubular distance function''' <math display="inline">\rho_X: T_X \to \R</math> such that <math display="inline">\rho_X^{-1}(0) = X</math><ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, pp. 42.</ref> [illustration] such that if <math display="inline">X < Y</math> are strata in <math display="inline">Z</math>, then <math display="block">\pi_X \pi_Y(m) = \pi_X(m),</math> <math display="block">\rho_X \pi_Y(m) = \rho_X(m)</math> for all <math display="inline">m \in |T_X| \cap |T_Y|</math> such that <math display="inline">\pi_Y(m) \in |T_X|</math>. If, for all strata <math display="inline">X</math> and all <math display="inline">m \in |T_X|</math>, we have <math display="inline">h \pi_X(m) = h(m)</math>, then this control data will be said to be compatible with <math display="inline">h</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 488.</ref> We prove that if <math display="inline">h</math> is smooth on <math display="inline">Z</math> and is a submersion for each strata then there exists a family of control data for <math display="inline">Z</math> compatible with <math display="inline">h</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 488, prop 7.1.</ref> Let <math display="inline">Z_k</math> be the union of strata of <math display="inline">Z</math> of dimension less than <math display="inline">k</math>. We prove by induction on <math display="inline">k</math>. To construct the tubular neighbourhood <math display="inline">T_X</math> of a stratum <math display="inline">X</math> of dimension less than <math display="inline">k</math>. For <math display="inline">l \leq k</math>, let <math display="inline">U_l</math> denote the union of all <math display="inline">|T_Y|</math> for <math display="inline">Y < X</math> and <math display="inline">\dim Y \geq l</math>. Let <math display="inline">X_l = U_l \cap X</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 489.</ref> For <math display="inline">l = k</math>, <math display="inline">X_k = \empty</math>. Assume by induction that <math display="inline">T_{l+1}</math> has been constructed and that if <math display="inline">Y < X</math>, <math display="inline">\dim Y \geq l + 1</math>, <math display="inline">m \in |T_{l+1}| \cap |T_Y|</math> and <math display="inline">\pi_{l+1}(m) \in |T_Y|</math> (<math display="inline">\pi_{l+1} = \pi_{T_{l+1}}</math>) then<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 489-490.</ref> <math display="block">\rho_Y \pi_{l+1}(m) = \rho_Y(m),</math> <math display="block">\pi_Y \pi_{l+1}(m) = \pi_Y(m).</math> We wish to construct a tubular neighbourhood <math display="inline">T_{X,Y}</math> of <math display="inline">|T_Y| \cap X</math> whose restriction to <math display="inline">|T_Y| \cap X_{l+1}</math> is isomorphic to the restriction of <math display="inline">T_{l+1}</math> such that if <math display="inline">m \in |T_{X,Y}| \cap |T_Y|</math> and <math display="inline">\pi_{X,Y}(m) \in |T_Y|</math> (<math display="inline">\pi_{X,Y} = \pi_{T_{X,Y}}</math>) then <math display="block">\rho_Y \pi_{X,Y}(m) = \rho_Y(m),</math> <math display="block">\pi_Y \pi_{X,Y}(m) = \pi_Y(m).</math> By shrinking <math display="inline">|T_Y|</math> if necessary, this relation is already satisfied if <math display="inline">m \in |T_{l+1}| \cap |T_Y|</math> and <math display="inline">\pi_{l+1}(m) \in |T_Y|</math> with <math display="inline">T_{l+1}</math> in place of <math display="inline">T_{X,Y}</math> and <math display="inline">\pi_{l+1}</math> in place of <math display="inline">\pi_{X,Y}</math>. By the definition, if <math display="inline">m \in |T_{l+1}|</math> then there exists <math display="inline">Z < X</math> with <math display="inline">\dim Z > l</math>, <math display="inline">m \in |T_Z|</math> and <math display="inline">\pi_{l+1}(m) \in |T_Z|</math>. We have that <math display="inline">\pi_{l+1}(m) \in |T_Y| \cap |T_Z|</math> and therefore <math display="inline">Y < Z</math>. Therefore<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 490.</ref> <math display="block">\rho_Y \pi_{l+1}(m) = \rho_Y \pi_Z \pi_{l+1}(m) = \rho_Y \pi_Z(m) = \rho_Y(m),</math> <math display="block">\pi_Y \pi_{l+1}(m) = \pi_Y \pi_Z \pi_{l+1}(m) = \pi_Y \pi_Z(m) = \pi_Y(m).</math> We can prove that, by shrinking <math display="inline">|T_Y|</math>, <math display="inline">(\rho_Y, \pi_Y): |T_Y| \cap X \to \R \times Y</math> is a submersion [prop 7.3?] and that <math display="inline">T_{X,Y}</math> is compatible with <math display="inline">(\rho_Y, \pi_Y): |T_Y| \cap X_{l+1} \to \R \times Y</math>, i.e. <math display="inline">(\rho_Y, \pi_Y) \pi_{X,Y}(m) = (\rho_Y, \pi_Y)(m)</math>(?). To prove it is a submersion, for the tubular neighbourhood <math display="inline">T = (E, \epsilon, \psi)</math> there exists a smooth positive function <math display="inline">\epsilon'</math> such that <math display="block">(\rho_T, \pi_T): Y \cap |T|_{\epsilon'}^0 \to \R \times X,</math> where <math display="inline">|T|_{\epsilon'}^0 = \psi(B_\epsilon \cap B_{\epsilon'})</math>, is a submersion. If <math display="inline">\Sigma</math> is the set <math display="inline">y \in |T|</math> such that the rank of <math display="block">(\rho_T, \pi_T): T \cap |T| \to \R \times X</math> at <math display="inline">y</math> is less than <math display="inline">\dim(\R \times X)</math>. We need to prove that for any <math display="inline">x \in X</math> there exists a neighbourhood of <math display="inline">x</math> which does not intersect with <math display="inline">\Sigma</math>, i.e. the map is not a submersion in this neighbourhood. It follows from [lemma 7.2] that it is enough to prove for <math display="inline">M = \R^m</math>, <math display="inline">X = \R^{m-c} \times 0_c</math> and <math display="inline">T</math> is the '''standard tubular neighbourhood'''.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 489.</ref> By standard tubular neighbourhood, we mean the trivial bundle with base <math display="inline">\R^{m-c}</math> and fibre <math display="inline">\R^c</math> where <math display="inline">\pi: \R^m \to \R^{m-c}</math>...<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 488.</ref> For <math display="inline">y \in |T| - \R^{m-c}</math>, the kernal of the differential of <math display="inline">(\pi_T, \rho_T)</math> at <math display="inline">y</math> is the orthogonal complement of <math display="inline">(\R^{m-c} \times 0_c) \oplus \stackrel{\frown}{y \pi_T(y)}</math> in <math display="inline">\R^m</math>. By the Whitney conditions, we have that for <math display="inline">y</math> near <math display="inline">\R^{m-c}</math>, <math display="inline">(\R^{m-c} \times 0_c) \oplus \stackrel{\frown}{y \pi_T(y)}</math> is close to the set of <math display="inline">m - c + 1</math> planes in <math display="inline">m-</math>space to an <math display="inline">m - c + 1</math> plane in <math display="inline">TY_y</math>. Therefore, for <math display="inline">y</math> near enough to <math display="inline">\R^{m-c}</math>, <math display="inline">TY_y</math> is transverse to the kernal of the differential of <math display="inline">(\pi_T, \rho_T)</math> and, therefore, is a submersion when restricted to <math display="inline">Y</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 489.</ref> To prove that <math display="inline">T_{X,Y}</math> is compatible with <math display="inline">(\rho_Y, \pi_Y): |T_Y| \cap X_{l+1} \to \R \times Y</math>...<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 490.</ref> Therefore, there exists a tubular neighbourhood <math display="inline">T_0</math> of <math display="inline">X_0</math> satisfying <math display="block">\rho_Y \pi_0(m) = \rho_Y(m),</math> <math display="block">\pi_Y \pi_0(m) = \pi_Y(m).</math> From this we can prove that <math display="inline">T_0</math> is compatible with <math display="inline">h</math>. Replacing <math display="inline">T_0</math> with a smaller tubular neighbourhood if necessary we can assume <math display="inline">m \in |T_0|</math> such that for some <math display="inline">Y < X</math>, <math display="inline">m \in |T_Y|</math> and <math display="inline">\pi_0(m) \in |T_Y|</math>, then<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 490.</ref> <math display="block">h \pi_0(m) = h \pi_Y \pi_0(m) = h \pi_Y(m) = h(m).</math> By the generalised tubular neighourhood theorem [prop 7.2?], we can replace <math display="inline">T_0</math> with a tubular neighbourhood <math display="inline">T</math> of <math display="inline">X</math> compatible with <math display="inline">h</math>. This completes the construction of <math display="inline">T_X</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 491.</ref> This makes <math display="inline">Z</math> an '''abstract stratified set''' with axioms...<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 491-492.</ref> This also makes <math display="inline">h</math> a '''controlled submersion''' because # <math display="inline">h|X: X \to \R</math> is a smooth submersion on each strata <math display="inline">X</math> of <math display="inline">Z</math>, and # for each stratum <math display="inline">X</math> there is a tubular neighbourhood <math display="inline">T'_X</math> such that <math display="inline">h(v) = h \pi_X(v)</math> for all <math display="inline">v \in T'_X</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 493.</ref> The core of this is the concept of a '''vector field'''. A vector field is a function which assigns, for each point <math display="inline">p</math> in a space, a '''vector''', which can be represented by an arrow whose tail starts at <math display="inline">p</math>.<ref>Henle 1979, pp. 33.</ref> [picture] Imagine we have a vector field <math display="inline">v(x)</math> defined in a space and draw a line through our space. At each point along this line the vector field assigns a vector. If we move each point in this line along the arrow defined by this vector in the direction of the arrow head. This "flows" the entire line along the vectors. [picture] We define a '''stratified vector field''' <math display="inline">\eta</math> on <math display="inline">Z</math> to be a family of smooth vector fields <math display="inline">\eta_X</math>, one for each strata <math display="inline">X</math> of <math display="inline">Z</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 493.</ref> We define a '''controlled vector field''' <math display="inline">\eta</math> on <math display="inline">Z</math> to be a stratified vector field such that for any strata <math display="inline">Y</math> there exists a tubular neighbourhood <math display="inline">T'_Y</math> such that for any <math display="inline">X > Y</math> and any <math display="inline">v \in T'_X \cap X</math><ref>Mather 2012, pp. 493.</ref> <math display="block">\eta_X \rho_{Y,X}(v) = 0,</math> <math display="block">(\pi_{Y,X})_* \eta_X(v) = \eta_Y (\pi_{Y,X}(v)).</math> We prove that if <math display="inline">h</math> is a controlled submersion then, for any smooth vector field <math display="inline">\zeta</math> on <math display="inline">\R</math> there is a controlled vector field <math display="inline">\eta</math> on <math display="inline">Z</math> such that <math display="inline">h_* \eta(v) = \zeta(h(v))</math> for all <math display="inline">v \in Z</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 493.</ref> Proceeding by induction on the maximum dimension of the strata of <math display="inline">Z</math>, we define <math display="inline">Z_k</math> to be the union of strata of <math display="inline">Z</math> of dimension at most <math display="inline">k</math>. The tubular neighbourhood of <math display="inline">Z_k</math> is the intersection of the tubular neighbourhoods of each strata in <math display="inline">Z_k</math> with <math display="inline">Z</math>. The projection and distance functions are the restrictions of the respective functions of <math display="inline">Z</math>. It is trivially true when the maximum dimension of strata in <math display="inline">Z</math> is zero. Assume it is true for <math display="inline">k</math> and construct each <math display="inline">\eta_X</math> separately for each stratum <math display="inline">X</math> of dimension <math display="inline">k + 1</math>. By the assumption that we have controlled vector fields for all strata <math display="inline">Y</math> of dimension at most <math display="inline">k</math>, we have the two control conditions defined above for any <math display="inline">X > Y</math> and that there is a neighbourhood <math display="inline">T^1_Y</math> such that <math display="inline">h(v) = h \pi_Y(v)</math> for <math display="inline">v \in T^1_Y</math>. We want to prove that for all <math display="inline">Y < X</math>, the control conditions are satisfied for all <math display="inline">v \in T^2_Y</math> and that <math display="inline">h_*\eta_X(v) = \zeta(v)</math> for all <math display="inline">v \in X</math>. Take a point <math display="inline">x \in X</math> and define the set <math display="inline">S_v</math> of strata <math display="inline">Y < X</math> such that <math display="inline">v \in T^2_Y</math>. <math display="inline">S_v</math> is totally ordered since if <math display="inline">Y_1</math> and <math display="inline">Y_2</math> are not comparable then <math display="inline">T^2_{Y_1} \cap T^2_{Y_2} = \empty</math>. Therefore, there is a largest member <math display="inline">Y = Y_v</math>. Assume the control conditions hold for <math display="inline">Y = Y_v</math>. Then they hold for all <math display="inline">Y_i \in S_v</math>. For, either <math display="inline">Y_i = Y</math> or <math display="inline">Y_i < Y</math>. In the latter case, <math display="inline">\pi_Y(v) \in T^1_{Y_i}</math> (by the choice of <math display="inline">T^2_Y</math>'s [is this why?]. Then <math display="block">\begin{align} \eta_X(v) \rho_{Y_i,X}(v) &= \eta_X \rho_{Y_i,Y} \pi_{Y,X}(v) \\ &= (\pi_{Y,X})_* \eta_X(v) \rho_{Y_i,Y} \\ &= \eta_Y(\pi_{Y,X}(v)) \rho_{Y_i,Y} \\ &= 0 \end{align}</math> and <math display="block">\begin{align} (\pi_{Y_i,X})_* \eta_X(v) &= (\pi_{Y_i,Y})_* (\pi_{Y,X})_* \eta_X(v) \\ &= (\pi_{Y_i,Y})_* \eta_Y(v) (\pi_{Y,X}) \\ &= \eta_{Y_i}(\pi_{Y_i,Y} \pi_{Y,X}(v)) \\ &= \eta_{Y_i}(\pi_{Y_i,X}(v)) \end{align}</math> and, therefore, condition holds for all <math display="inline">Y_i \in S_v</math>. Also, <math display="block">\begin{align} h_* \eta_X(v) &= (h \circ \pi_{Y,X})_* \eta_X(v) \\ &= h_* \eta_Y (\pi_{Y,X}(v)) \\ &= \zeta(f(v)) \end{align}</math> and, therefore, the conclusion of the theorem holds at <math display="inline">v</math>. This shows we can construct <math display="inline">\eta_X</math> satisfying the control conditions when <math display="inline">S_v</math> is non-empty and satisfying the theorem when <math display="inline">S_v</math> is empty. The set of vectors satisfying these conditions is convex in <math display="inline">TX_v</math>, and so we construct <math display="inline">\eta_X</math> globally via a partition of unity.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 493-495.</ref> Finally, we prove that a controlled vector field has a unique one-parameter family of homeomorphisms of <math display="inline">Z</math> which commute with <math display="inline">h</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, this combines Proposition 10.1 and Corollary 10.2 on pp. 496 and 497, respectively.</ref> For each stratum <math display="inline">X</math> of <math display="inline">Z</math>, <math display="inline">\eta_X</math> generates a unique smooth local one-parameter group <math display="inline">(J_X, \alpha_X)</math> of diffeomorphisms of <math display="inline">X</math> (by standard results of differential geometry), such that <math display="inline">\frac{d}{dt} \alpha(t, v)|_{t=0} = \eta_X(v)</math>, <math display="inline">J_X</math> is an open subset of <math display="inline">\R \times Z</math>, ... If we define <math display="inline">(J, \alpha)</math> by <math display="block">J = \bigcup_{X \in S} J_X</math> <math display="block">\alpha = \bigcup_{X \in S} \alpha_X</math> we can prove that this is a local one-parameter family of homeomorphisms.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 496.</ref> Firstly, it is clear that # <math display="inline">0 \times Z \subseteq J</math> and <math display="inline">\alpha(0, v) = v</math> for all <math display="inline">v \in Z</math>. # If <math display="inline">v \in Z</math> then <math display="inline">J_v = J \cap (\R \times v) \subseteq \R</math> is an open interval <math display="inline">(a_v, b_v)</math>, possibly infinite at one or both ends. # If <math display="inline">v \in Z</math> and <math display="inline">t, s, t + s</math> are in <math display="inline">(a_v, b_v)</math> then <math display="inline">\alpha(t + s, v) = \alpha(t, \alpha(s, v))</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 495.</ref> Secondly, it is clear that <math display="inline">\eta</math> generates <math display="inline">\alpha</math> because # Each stratum <math display="inline">X</math> of <math display="inline">Z</math> is invariant under <math display="inline">\alpha</math>, i.e. <math display="inline">\alpha[J \cap (\R \times X)] \subseteq X</math>. # For each <math display="inline">v \in Z</math>, the map <math display="inline">t \to \alpha(t, v)</math> of <math display="inline">(a_v, b_v)</math> into the stratum which contains <math display="inline">v</math> is <math display="inline">C^1</math>. # For any <math display="inline">(t, v) \in Z</math>(?) we have <math display="inline">d/dt \alpha(t, v) = \eta(\alpha(t, v))</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 495.</ref> It is unique because each <math display="inline">(J_X, \alpha_X)</math> is unique. We just need to prove that <math display="inline">J</math> is open, <math display="inline">\alpha</math> is continuous, and for any <math display="inline">v \in Z</math> and any compact set <math display="inline">K \subseteq Z</math> there exists <math display="inline">\epsilon > 0</math> such that <math display="inline">\alpha(t, v) \notin K</math> if <math display="inline">t \in (a_v, a_v + \epsilon) \cup (b_v - \epsilon, b_v)</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 495.</ref> For the latter-most condition, if it did not hold then there exists...<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 496-497.</ref> We prove there is a homeomorphism <math display="inline">f: Z \to h^{-1}(0) \times \R</math> such that <math display="inline">\pi \circ f = h</math>, where <math display="inline">\pi: h^{-1}(0) \times \R \to \R</math> is projection to the second factor. For the coordinate vector field <math display="inline">\partial</math> on <math display="inline">\R</math>, by [prop 9.1] there is a controlled vector field <math display="inline">\tilde\partial</math> such that <math display="inline">f_* \tilde\partial(v) = \partial(h(v))</math> for <math display="inline">v \in Z</math>. By [prop 10.1], <math display="inline">\tilde\partial</math> generates a local one-parameter group <math display="inline">(J, \alpha)</math> such that <math display="block">h(\alpha(t,v)) = h(v) + t</math> <math display="inline">h</math> is proper and [d] holds, so <math display="inline">J = \R \times Z</math>. If we define <math display="inline">f</math> as <math display="block">f(v) = (\alpha(-t, v), h(v))</math> then <math display="inline">f</math> maps <math display="inline">Z</math> into <math display="inline">h^{-1}(0) \times \R</math> and <math display="inline">\pi \circ f = h</math>. If we define <math display="inline">\bar f: h^{-1}(0) \times \R \to Z</math> as <math display="block">\bar f(v, t) = \alpha(t, v)</math> then <math display="inline">f \bar f = \bar f f = Id</math> and <math display="inline">f</math> is a homeomorphism.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 497.</ref> == Topology at critical points == Theorem: If there is a critical point <math display="inline">p</math> in the singular variety <math display="inline">\mathcal{V}</math> with critical value <math display="inline">v \in (a, b)</math> then the space <math display="inline">X_{\leq b}</math> is homotopic to<ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, pp. 174.</ref> <math display="block">X_{\leq a} \cup [(D^{\lambda+1}, \partial D^{\lambda+1}) \times (\mathcal{L}_X, \partial \mathcal{L}_X)].</math> Proof:<ref>Proof outline comes from Goresky and MacPherson 1988, pp. 174.</ref> # <math display="inline">(X_{\leq b}, X_{\leq a})</math> is homeomorphic to <math display="inline">(X_{\leq v + \epsilon}, X_{\leq v -\epsilon})</math>. We can prove this by "moving wall" or Thom's Isotopy Lemma.<ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, pp. 90-91, 120.</ref> # <math display="inline">X_{\leq v + \epsilon}</math> is homeomorphic to <math display="inline">X_{\leq v - \epsilon} \cup (J, K)</math>, where the latter is the local Morse data for <math display="inline">h</math> at <math display="inline">p</math>. We do this by moving the wall...<ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, pp. 95-96, 120-121.</ref> # <math display="inline">(J, K)</math> is homeomorphic to <math display="inline">(D^{\lambda+1}, \partial D^{\lambda+1}) \times (\mathcal{L}_X, \partial \mathcal{L}_X)</math> (tangential data, normal data). Again, moving the wall...<ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, pp. 65-66, chapter 8, 121.</ref> # The normal Morse data depends only on the differential <math display="inline">df(p)</math>.<ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, pp. 93.</ref> # The normal Morse data has the homotopy type of <math display="inline">(\mathcal{L}_X, \partial \mathcal{L}_X)</math>.<ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, pp. 169.</ref> === Step 1 === We get this immediately(?) by Thom's Isotopy Lemma. === Step 2 === <ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, complex case on pp. 120-121 is extension of real case on pp. 95-96.</ref> We take our space <math display="inline">M</math> and map it onto <math display="inline">\R^2</math> with the map <math display="inline">F(z) = (r(z), h(z))</math>, where <math display="inline">z \in M</math> and <math display="inline">r</math> is the square of the distance of <math display="inline">z</math> to the critical point <math display="inline">p</math>. [graph of mapping] What we want is a homeomorphism in <math display="inline">M</math> between the space <math display="inline">Z_{\leq \epsilon}</math> and <math display="inline">Z_{\leq \epsilon} \cup B</math>, where <math display="inline">B</math> is a small region of the critical point <math display="inline">p</math>. The '''local Morse data''' is <math display="block">((B_\delta \cap Z) \cap f^{-1}[v-\epsilon, v+\epsilon], (B_\delta \cap Z) \cap f^{-1}(v-\epsilon))</math> where <math display="inline">B_\delta</math> is a closed disc in <math display="inline">M</math> of radius <math display="inline">\delta</math>.<ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, pp. 63-64.</ref> Observe that this is the pair <math display="inline">(F^{-1}(\text{Box}(\delta, \epsilon)), F^{-1}(\text{Bottom}(\delta, \epsilon)))</math><ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, pp. 91.</ref> [explain Box, Bottom, etc.] [picture of the two subspaces of Z in M] We use our map <math display="inline">F</math> to convert these two subspaces to subspaces of <math display="inline">\R^2</math> which are of the form <math display="inline">Y_1 = \{(x,y) \in \R^2 | y \leq \epsilon\}</math> and <math display="inline">Y_0 = \{(x,y) \in \R^2 | y \leq -\epsilon\} \cup \{(x,y) \in \R^2 | x \leq \delta, y \leq \epsilon\}</math>, such that <math display="inline">Z_{\leq \epsilon} = F^{-1}(Y_1)</math> and <math display="inline">Z_{\leq \epsilon} \cup B = F^{-1}(Y_0)</math>.<ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, pp. 95-96.</ref> We use a homeomorphism between <math display="inline">Y_1</math> and <math display="inline">Y_0</math> using the technique of "moving the wall" and Thom's Isotopy Lemma.<ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, chapter 4, particularly pp. 71-72.</ref> For the composition <math display="block">Z \times \R \subset M \times \R \to_{F \times I} Y \subset \R^2 \times \R \to_{\pi} \R</math> where <math display="inline">Y(t, z) = Y_t(z)</math>, <math display="inline">I</math> is the identity and <math display="inline">\pi</math> is projection to the second factor. <math display="inline">Z \times \R</math> is transverse to <math display="inline">(F \times I)^{-1}(Y)</math>... The composition <math display="inline">\pi \circ (F \times I): Z \times \R \cap (F \times I)^{-1}(Y) \to \R</math> is a stratified submersion... Therefore, we can apply Thom's Isotopy Lemma which says there is a homeomorphism between the level sets of <math display="inline">Z \times \R</math>...<ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, pp. 72.</ref> === Step 3 === We prove there is a stratum preserving homeomorphism between<ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, pp. 65.</ref> <math display="block">\text{Local Morse Data} \cong (\text{Tangential Morse Data}) \times (\text{Normal Morse Data})</math> We first prove that there is a homeomorphism between the product of the normal and tangential Morse data and the realisation of the following diagram<ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, pp. 100-102.</ref> [diagram from pp. 102] where the realisation means... We use a succession of such diagrams to interpolate between the box diagram which defines local Morse data and the above diagram which defines normal times tangential...<ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, pp. 103.</ref> == Morse theory == Steps(?) * Explain topology * Every point of a stratum is locally like a product structure (proved by Thom's Isotopy Lemma) [GM pp. 41-42] ** Including those around critical points, which are the product of normal and tangential Morse data (these are our quasi-local cycles?) * Thom's Isotopy Lemma proves a strong deformation retraction (which only stops at critical points) [PWM pp. 541-542] === Homotopy === We want to replace our domain of convergence <math display="inline">M</math>, which is the complement of our singular variety <math display="inline">\mathcal{V}</math>, with an "equivalent" space <math display="inline">M'</math> which has better understood properties. We say "equivalent" because there are several different things we could mean by "equivalent" in this context. The equivalence we are referring to in this section is called '''homotopy'''. Imagine two subspaces <math display="inline">\gamma_0</math> and <math display="inline">\gamma_1</math> of a space <math display="inline">Y</math> which are defined respectively by smooth functions <math display="inline">f, g: X \to Y</math>. If there exists a smooth function <math display="inline">h_s: X \times [0, 1] \to Y</math>, called a homotopy, such that <math display="inline">h_0 = f</math>, <math display="inline">h_1 = g</math> and for any <math display="inline">\epsilon > 0</math> there exists a <math display="inline">\delta_a</math> and <math display="inline">\delta_b</math> such that when <math display="inline">|s - s_0| < \delta_a</math> and <math display="inline">|x - x_0| < \delta_b</math> we have <math display="inline">|h_s(x) - h_{s_0}(x_0)| < \epsilon</math>, then we say <math display="inline">\gamma_0</math> and <math display="inline">\gamma_1</math> are '''homotopic'''.<ref>Henle 1979, pp. 251-252.</ref> Below is an example where <math display="inline">\gamma_0</math> and <math display="inline">\gamma_1</math> are one-dimensional curves and <math display="inline">H(t, s) = h_s(t)</math>. [[File:Homotopy_curves.png|300px]] In [[#Homotopy_equivalence|Appendix A]], we formally prove that we can construct an equivalent space <math display="inline">M'</math>. We provide only an example to give some intuition before describing how to construct the space <math display="inline">M'</math> in terms of local cycles around critical points. === Motivating example === Imagine a torus and a height function which is just the z value of the point. [[File:3D-Leveltorus.png|200px]] It has four critical points: two at the top and bottom of the outer circle (<math display="inline">p_1, p_4</math>) and two at the top and bottom of the inner circle (<math display="inline">p_2, p_3</math>). [picture] When the height is between the <math display="inline">p_1</math> and <math display="inline">p_2</math>, the space is a two-cell, which can be retracted to a point. [picture] When the height is between <math display="inline">p_2</math> and <math display="inline">p_3</math>, the space is a cylinder, which can be retracted to a two-cell with a one-cell attached. [[File:3D-Cylinder_and_disk_with_handle.png|200px]] When the height is between <math display="inline">p_3</math> and <math display="inline">p_4</math>, the space is a torus with a disc removed, which can be retracted to a cylinder with a one-cell attached. [[File:3D-Cylinder_with_handle_and_torus_with_hole.png|200px]] When the height is greater than <math display="inline">p_4</math>, then the full torus is constructed by attaching a two-cell. [Explain in terms of Morse data and Morse index?] === Morse data and quasi-local cycles === As in the above example, we start at the "bottom" of <math display="inline">M</math> and build upwards until just before we reach our first critical point <math display="inline">p</math>. ;Smooth points :This is a tube around a <math display="inline">(d-1)</math>-chain <math display="inline">\gamma</math> where the height function <math display="inline">h</math> is maximised at <math display="inline">p</math>.<ref>Pemantle, Wilson and Melczer 2024, pp. 223.</ref> :For example, if <math display="inline">F(x, y) = \frac{1}{1 - x - y}</math> then <math display="inline">\lambda = 1</math> and <math display="inline">B^\lambda</math> is an arc reaching its highest point at <math display="inline">p</math>. :The normal plane <math display="inline">N</math> at <math display="inline">p</math> is a plane orthogonal to <math display="inline">B^1</math>(?). :Its normal link <math display="inline">L(S)</math> is a circle with two points missing where it intersects <math display="inline">\mathcal{V}</math>. :We make our quasi-local cycle out of the product of the arc and circle joined to <math display="inline">M_-</math> at points below <math display="inline">M_-</math>. :With the exception of degenerate points, such as monkey saddles...<ref>e.g. Pemantle, Wilson and Melczer 2024, pp. 211.</ref> ;Transverse multiple points :This is the product of a <math display="inline">k</math>-torus and a <math display="inline">(d-k)</math>-chain <math display="inline">\gamma</math>. The torus is the product of circles about <math display="inline">p</math> in the complex normal space to each strata which intersects <math display="inline">p</math>. The chain <math display="inline">\gamma</math> is supported in the stratum which is the common intersection of the varieties defined by the factors vanishing at <math display="inline">p</math>, and achieves its maximum height at <math display="inline">p</math>.<ref>Pemantle, Wilson and Melczer 2024, pp. 223-224.</ref> ;Arrangement multiple point :This is the product of a <math display="inline">(d-k)</math>-chain <math display="inline">\gamma</math> and several <math display="inline">k</math>-tori, one for each pair of sheets which intersect transversely, where the torus is the product of circles about <math display="inline">p</math> in each sheet.<ref>Pemantle, Wilson and Melczer 2024, pp. 226.</ref> ;Cone point :A cone point is zero-dimensional so there is no <math display="inline">\gamma</math>, just a <math display="inline">d</math>-torus about <math display="inline">p</math>.<ref>Pemantle, Wilson and Melczer 2024, pp. 227.</ref> == Appendix == === Homotopy equivalence === [Assuming no CVAI...] Theorem: # Homotopy equivalence between M_{\leq a} and M_{\leq b}... # If in a range <math display="inline">[a, b]</math> there are no CVAI and only one critical value <math display="inline">c</math>, not equal to either <math display="inline">a</math> or <math display="inline">b</math>, with one or more critical points <math display="inline">z_1, \cdots, z_m</math> then there is a stratified flow deforming any chain in <math display="inline">M</math> to a (homotopic?) chain in the union of <math display="inline">M_{<c}</math> with sufficiently small balls around each critical point. This induces a homotopy between <math display="inline">(M_{c+\epsilon}, M_{c-\epsilon})</math> and the direct sum of <math display="inline">(M_{c-\epsilon} \cup B_{2\epsilon}(z_i), M_{c-\epsilon})</math> for each critical point <math display="inline">z_i</math>.<ref>Pemantle, Wilson and Melczer 2024, pp. 231.</ref> The core of this is the concept of a '''vector field'''. A vector field is a function which assigns, for each point <math display="inline">p</math> in a space, a '''vector''', which can be represented by an arrow whose tail starts at <math display="inline">p</math>.<ref>Henle 1979, pp. 33.</ref> [picture] Imagine we have a vector field <math display="inline">v(x)</math> defined in a space and draw a line through our space. At each point along this line the vector field assigns a vector. If we move each point in this line along the arrow defined by this vector in the direction of the arrow head. This "flows" the entire line along the vectors. We can (potentially) define a function to implement this flow. Define <math display="inline">\Phi(x, t)</math> where <math display="inline">x</math> are points in the space and <math display="inline">t</math> is something like time. As <math display="inline">t</math> goes from zero to some positive number, <math display="inline">\Phi</math> moves the points <math display="inline">x</math> along the vectors. To describe this process formally, we say <math display="inline">\Phi</math> is the solution to the differential equation <math display="block">\frac{d}{dt} \Phi(x, t) = v(x).</math> We want a particular vector field <math display="inline">v</math> with certain properties... The proof of the existence of this vector field is long and complicated and we will not go into it here.<ref>It involves concepts such as Thom's isotopy lemma and Mather's controlled vector flows. See Mather 2012.</ref> Using this vector field <math display="inline">v</math> but modified so as to be zero on <math display="inline">M_{\leq a}</math>. This vector field defines a function <math display="inline">\Phi(x, t)</math> such that * <math display="inline">d/dt \Phi(x, t) = v(x)</math> when <math display="inline">h(x) \in (a, b]</math>. * <math display="inline">\Phi(x, t)</math> is defined for <math display="inline">0 \leq t \leq h(x) - a</math> and in this range <math display="inline">h(\Phi(x, t)) = h(x) - t</math>. * the map <math display="inline">\psi(x) = \Phi(x, b - a)</math> is a continuous map on <math display="inline">M_{\leq b}</math> with range (image?) <math display="inline">M_{\leq a}</math> and fixing <math display="inline">M_{\leq a}</math>. The function <math display="inline">\Phi(x, 0)</math> is the identity on <math display="inline">M_{\leq b}</math> and <math display="inline">\Phi(x, b - a) = \psi(x)</math>, therefore <math display="inline">\Phi</math> in the range <math display="inline">[0, b - a]</math> is a homotopy between the identity on <math display="inline">M_{\leq b}</math> and <math display="inline">\psi</math>. This implies 1)???<ref>Pemantle, Wilson and Melczer 2024, pp. 233.</ref> Define the distance from a critical point <math display="inline">\kappa(x) = \min\{ |x - z_i| : z_1, \cdots, z_m \}</math>. For <math display="inline">s > 0 </math> we define a new vector field <math display="block">v_s(x) = \begin{cases} v(x) & \kappa(x) \geq s \\ \rho(\kappa(x)) v(x) & \kappa(x) \in [s/2, s] \\ 0 & \kappa(x) \leq s/2 \end{cases}</math> for a smooth non-decreasing function <math display="inline">\rho</math> where <math display="inline">\rho(s/2) = 0</math>. Define <math display="inline">\Phi_s</math> as the function such that <math display="inline">d/dt \Phi(x, t)_s = v_s(x)</math>. The height function <math display="inline">h</math> is non-increasing along <math display="inline">\Phi_s</math> (by implication of bullet point 2?) so points in <math display="inline">M_{\leq c-\epsilon}</math> stay in <math display="inline">M_{\leq c - \epsilon}</math> when flowed along <math display="inline">\Phi_s</math> and therefore <math display="inline">\Phi_s</math> is a homotopy equivalence between <math display="inline">(M_{\leq c+\epsilon}, M_{\leq c-\epsilon})</math> and <math display="inline">(\Phi(M_{\leq c+\epsilon}, 2\epsilon), M_{\leq c-\epsilon})</math>. By <math display="inline">\Phi(M_{\leq c+\epsilon}, 2\epsilon)</math> we mean the space <math display="inline">M_{\leq c+\epsilon}</math> flowed along <math display="inline">\Phi(x, t)</math> for a short period of time <math display="inline">2\epsilon</math>. [Prove it has the same critical points and is proper?] <math display="inline">\Phi(M_{\leq c+\epsilon}, 2\epsilon)</math> takes points in <math display="inline">M_{\leq c+\epsilon}</math> to <math display="inline">M_{\leq c-\epsilon}</math> except for those that come within <math display="inline">s</math> of a critical point within time <math display="inline">2\epsilon</math>. Therefore, we see how we <math display="inline">\Phi_s</math> can homotopically deform a chain in <math display="inline">M_{\leq c+\epsilon}</math> to a chain in the union of <math display="inline">M_{\leq c-\epsilon}</math> and small neighbourhoods of critical points.<ref>Pemantle, Wilson and Melczer 2024, pp. 234-235.</ref> On the assumption of this theorem, we can start with any chain in <math display="inline">M</math> and deform this chain to <math display="inline">M_{c_1+}</math> using part 1. Then we deform this chain to a chain in the union of <math display="inline">M_{c_1-}</math> and small balls around the critical points. The (sub?)chain in <math display="inline">M_{c_1-}</math> is then deformed to a chain in <math display="inline">M_{c_2+}</math>, which is deformed to a chain in <math display="inline">M_{c_2-} \cup z_{c_2}</math>, and so on. Eventually, we get to <math display="inline">M_{c_j-}</math> which is homotopic to any space "below" it. Therefore, we have deformed our chain in <math display="inline">M</math> to a homotopic chain in the union of small balls around critical points.<ref>Baryshnikov, Melczer and Pemantle 2022, pp. ???.</ref><ref>Pemantle, Wilson and Melczer 2024, pp. 217???</ref> [Direct sum of homology generators for relative cycles] == Notes == {{Reflist}} == References == * {{citation | last1=Baryshnikov | first1=Yuliy | last2=Melczer | first2=Stephen | last3=Pemantle | first3=Robin | title=Stationary Points at Infinity for Analytic Combinatorics | year=2022 | journal=Foundations of Computational Mathematics | volume=22 | number=5 | pages=1631-1664 | url=https://www2.math.upenn.edu/~pemantle/papers/SPAI-published-version.pdf }}. * {{cite book | last1=Goresky | first1=Mark | last2=MacPherson | first2=Robert | title=Stratified Morse Theory | publisher=Springer-Verlag | year=1988 | url=https://www.math.ias.edu/~goresky/pdf/SMT.djvu }} * {{cite book | last=Henle | first1=Michael | title=A Combinatorial Introduction to Topology | publisher=Dover Publications Inc. New York | year=1979 }} * {{citation | last=Mather | first=John | title=Notes on Topological Stability | year=2012 | journal=Bulletin of the American Mathematical Society | volume=49 | number=4 | pages=475-506 | url=https://www.ams.org/journals/bull/2012-49-04/S0273-0979-2012-01383-6/S0273-0979-2012-01383-6.pdf }}. * {{cite book | last1=Pemantle | first1=Robin | last2=Wilson | first2=Mark C. | last3=Melczer | first3=Stephen | title=Analytic Combinatorics in Several Variables | publisher=Cambridge University Press | year=2024 | edition=2nd | url=https://acsvproject.com/PemantleWilsonMelczer23.pdf }} dotu64n1zck4jc0lkr0ldk85ozs9e36 4671651 4671648 2026-09-21T18:45:44Z Dom walden 3209423 /* Step 3 */ 4671651 wikitext text/x-wiki == Introduction == Morse theory tells us that the topology of M only changes at its critical points. The "Morse data" tells us the topology at each critical point. Attaching this Morse data together gives us a space which is homopotically eqivalent to M. This space is a "cell complex", which has an easy to calculate homology. Theorem: Our domain of convergence is homotopic to a cell complex of dimension at most <math display="inline">2n - d - 1</math>.<ref>This is theorem D.23 in Pemantle, Wilson and Melczer 2024, pp. 546. Also theorem in section 1.2*/5.2* in SMT pp. 200.</ref> Proof: # <math display="inline">X</math> is our entire domain, <math display="inline">\mathcal{V}</math> our variety # Project our entire domain to complex projective space <math display="inline">Z = \pi(X) \subset \C\mathbb{P}^n - H</math> [define H] # Define a linear subspace <math display="inline">G \subset \C\mathbb{P}^n</math> of dimension <math display="inline">d - 1</math> # Define a Morse function on <math display="inline">f: \C\mathbb{P}^n \to \R</math> which approximates the distance from <math display="inline">G</math> and such that <math display="inline">f^{-1}(0) = G</math> and <math display="inline">f^{-1}(1) = H</math> # We "build" <math display="inline">X - \mathcal{V}</math> from <math display="inline">\pi^{-1}(G \cap Z) \cap (X - \mathcal{V})</math> by attaching CW complexes at critical points which are of at most dimension <math display="inline">2n - d - 1</math> # At a critical point, the normal Morse data is <math display="inline">(J, K) = \coprod_x (J_x, K_x)</math> and the relative complex link is <math display="inline">\mathcal{L}^\pi = \coprod_x \mathcal{L}_x</math> # We show that the quotient <math display="inline">J_x/K_x</math> is homotopic to a CW complex of dimension <math display="inline">\leq 2n - d - 1</math> # The neighbourhood of <math display="inline">x</math> in <math display="inline">J_x</math> is homeomorphic to the cone in <math display="inline">L_x(X - \mathcal{V})</math>, and removing the point <math display="inline">x</math> increases the homotopy dimension to at most the homotopy dimension of <math display="inline">L_x</math> # <math display="inline">(J_x \cup \{x\}, K_x)</math> is homotopic to <math display="inline">(\text{cone}(\mathcal{L}_x), \mathcal{L}_x)</math> # <math display="inline">\mathcal{L}_x</math> is homotopic to a CW complex of dimension at most <math display="inline">2n - d - 1</math> # The tangential Morse data at the critical point is homotopic to the pair <math display="inline">(D^\lambda, \partial D^\lambda)</math> # Therefore, at each critical point a space has been added homotopic to a CW complex of dimension at most <math display="inline">2n - d - 1</math>. Theorem: If <math display="inline">X</math> is the complement in <math display="inline">\C^n</math> of a complex variety <math display="inline">\mathcal{V}</math> of dimension <math display="inline">d</math> then <math display="inline">X</math> is homotopic to a CW complex of dimension at most <math display="inline">2n - d - 1</math>.<ref>Pemantle, Wilson and Melczer 2024, pp. 546.</ref> Proof: # We build <math display="inline">X</math> by attaching cells of dimension at most <math display="inline">2n - d - 1</math> at each critical point. ## Prove that we can do this without changing the homotopy(?) ## We use Thom's Isotopy Lemma to prove that there is a strong deformation retraction, stopping only at critical points. # Prove these cells are a product of the normal and tangential Morse data. ## Normal data: <math display="inline">(\mathcal{L}(S), \partial \mathcal{L}(S)) \times (D^1, \partial D^1)</math> [GM pp. 18] ## Tangential data: <math display="inline">(B_\delta \cap f^{-1}[v - \epsilon, v + \epsilon], B_\delta \cap f^{-1}(v - \epsilon))</math> for <math display="inline">f</math> restricted to <math display="inline">X</math> (or <math display="inline">\mathcal{V}</math>?) [GM pp. 63-64] # If <math display="inline">k</math> is the dimension of the strata, then ## If <math display="inline">k = d</math> then it is a smooth point and the cell is the product of <math display="inline">S^{2(n-d)-1}</math> and the tangential data is dimension at most <math display="inline">d</math>. ## If <math display="inline">k < d</math>, ... <ref>Pemantle, Wilson and Melczer 2024, pp. 547.</ref> == Example in one dimension == Domain with singularities v_1, v_2, ..., v_i Define our height function f... Start with our entire domain X Reduce from X to X_i+ by using Thom's Isotopy lemma to do a strong deformation retract == Thom's isotopy lemma == We present a modified version of Thom's (first) isotopy lemma, less general than the original but more obviously relevant to our situation. Theorem: Suppose <math display="inline">Z</math> is a closed subset of a smooth manifold <math display="inline">M</math> which admits a Whitney stratification and <math display="inline">h : M \to \R</math> is a proper Morse function which has no critical values on <math display="inline">Z</math>. Then, the level sets of <math display="inline">Z</math> are homeomorphic by a homeomorphism that preserves the strata of <math display="inline">Z</math>.<ref>For various versions of the full statement of the theorem, see Mather 2012, pp. 499, Goresky and MacPherson 1988, pp. 41, or Pemantle, Wilson and Melczer 2024, pp. 541.</ref> Proof: # Construct control data for <math display="inline">Z</math> compatible with <math display="inline">h</math>. ## [Prop 7.1] If <math display="inline">h</math> is smooth on <math display="inline">Z</math> and is a submersion for each strata then there exists a family of control data for <math display="inline">Z</math> compatible with <math display="inline">h</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 488.</ref> # This makes <math display="inline">Z</math> an abstract stratified set and <math display="inline">f</math> a controlled submersion. # A controlled submersion has, for any smooth vector field on <math display="inline">\R</math>, a controlled vector field on <math display="inline">Z</math> (a "lift"?)<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 493.</ref> # A controlled vector field has a unique one-parameter family of homeomorphisms of <math display="inline">Z</math> which commute with <math display="inline">h</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 496.</ref> # This makes <math display="inline">h</math> a locally trivial fibration. [Prop 10.2]<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 499.</ref> Control data: A system of '''control data''' for <math display="inline">Z</math> consists of, for each stratum <math display="inline">X</math> of <math display="inline">Z</math>, * a '''tubular neighbourhood''' <math display="inline">T_X</math> of <math display="inline">X</math> * a '''tubular projection function''' <math display="inline">\pi_X: T_X \to X</math>, and * a '''tubular distance function''' <math display="inline">\rho_X: T_X \to \R</math> such that <math display="inline">\rho_X^{-1}(0) = X</math><ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, pp. 42.</ref> [illustration] such that if <math display="inline">X < Y</math> are strata in <math display="inline">Z</math>, then <math display="block">\pi_X \pi_Y(m) = \pi_X(m),</math> <math display="block">\rho_X \pi_Y(m) = \rho_X(m)</math> for all <math display="inline">m \in |T_X| \cap |T_Y|</math> such that <math display="inline">\pi_Y(m) \in |T_X|</math>. If, for all strata <math display="inline">X</math> and all <math display="inline">m \in |T_X|</math>, we have <math display="inline">h \pi_X(m) = h(m)</math>, then this control data will be said to be compatible with <math display="inline">h</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 488.</ref> We prove that if <math display="inline">h</math> is smooth on <math display="inline">Z</math> and is a submersion for each strata then there exists a family of control data for <math display="inline">Z</math> compatible with <math display="inline">h</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 488, prop 7.1.</ref> Let <math display="inline">Z_k</math> be the union of strata of <math display="inline">Z</math> of dimension less than <math display="inline">k</math>. We prove by induction on <math display="inline">k</math>. To construct the tubular neighbourhood <math display="inline">T_X</math> of a stratum <math display="inline">X</math> of dimension less than <math display="inline">k</math>. For <math display="inline">l \leq k</math>, let <math display="inline">U_l</math> denote the union of all <math display="inline">|T_Y|</math> for <math display="inline">Y < X</math> and <math display="inline">\dim Y \geq l</math>. Let <math display="inline">X_l = U_l \cap X</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 489.</ref> For <math display="inline">l = k</math>, <math display="inline">X_k = \empty</math>. Assume by induction that <math display="inline">T_{l+1}</math> has been constructed and that if <math display="inline">Y < X</math>, <math display="inline">\dim Y \geq l + 1</math>, <math display="inline">m \in |T_{l+1}| \cap |T_Y|</math> and <math display="inline">\pi_{l+1}(m) \in |T_Y|</math> (<math display="inline">\pi_{l+1} = \pi_{T_{l+1}}</math>) then<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 489-490.</ref> <math display="block">\rho_Y \pi_{l+1}(m) = \rho_Y(m),</math> <math display="block">\pi_Y \pi_{l+1}(m) = \pi_Y(m).</math> We wish to construct a tubular neighbourhood <math display="inline">T_{X,Y}</math> of <math display="inline">|T_Y| \cap X</math> whose restriction to <math display="inline">|T_Y| \cap X_{l+1}</math> is isomorphic to the restriction of <math display="inline">T_{l+1}</math> such that if <math display="inline">m \in |T_{X,Y}| \cap |T_Y|</math> and <math display="inline">\pi_{X,Y}(m) \in |T_Y|</math> (<math display="inline">\pi_{X,Y} = \pi_{T_{X,Y}}</math>) then <math display="block">\rho_Y \pi_{X,Y}(m) = \rho_Y(m),</math> <math display="block">\pi_Y \pi_{X,Y}(m) = \pi_Y(m).</math> By shrinking <math display="inline">|T_Y|</math> if necessary, this relation is already satisfied if <math display="inline">m \in |T_{l+1}| \cap |T_Y|</math> and <math display="inline">\pi_{l+1}(m) \in |T_Y|</math> with <math display="inline">T_{l+1}</math> in place of <math display="inline">T_{X,Y}</math> and <math display="inline">\pi_{l+1}</math> in place of <math display="inline">\pi_{X,Y}</math>. By the definition, if <math display="inline">m \in |T_{l+1}|</math> then there exists <math display="inline">Z < X</math> with <math display="inline">\dim Z > l</math>, <math display="inline">m \in |T_Z|</math> and <math display="inline">\pi_{l+1}(m) \in |T_Z|</math>. We have that <math display="inline">\pi_{l+1}(m) \in |T_Y| \cap |T_Z|</math> and therefore <math display="inline">Y < Z</math>. Therefore<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 490.</ref> <math display="block">\rho_Y \pi_{l+1}(m) = \rho_Y \pi_Z \pi_{l+1}(m) = \rho_Y \pi_Z(m) = \rho_Y(m),</math> <math display="block">\pi_Y \pi_{l+1}(m) = \pi_Y \pi_Z \pi_{l+1}(m) = \pi_Y \pi_Z(m) = \pi_Y(m).</math> We can prove that, by shrinking <math display="inline">|T_Y|</math>, <math display="inline">(\rho_Y, \pi_Y): |T_Y| \cap X \to \R \times Y</math> is a submersion [prop 7.3?] and that <math display="inline">T_{X,Y}</math> is compatible with <math display="inline">(\rho_Y, \pi_Y): |T_Y| \cap X_{l+1} \to \R \times Y</math>, i.e. <math display="inline">(\rho_Y, \pi_Y) \pi_{X,Y}(m) = (\rho_Y, \pi_Y)(m)</math>(?). To prove it is a submersion, for the tubular neighbourhood <math display="inline">T = (E, \epsilon, \psi)</math> there exists a smooth positive function <math display="inline">\epsilon'</math> such that <math display="block">(\rho_T, \pi_T): Y \cap |T|_{\epsilon'}^0 \to \R \times X,</math> where <math display="inline">|T|_{\epsilon'}^0 = \psi(B_\epsilon \cap B_{\epsilon'})</math>, is a submersion. If <math display="inline">\Sigma</math> is the set <math display="inline">y \in |T|</math> such that the rank of <math display="block">(\rho_T, \pi_T): T \cap |T| \to \R \times X</math> at <math display="inline">y</math> is less than <math display="inline">\dim(\R \times X)</math>. We need to prove that for any <math display="inline">x \in X</math> there exists a neighbourhood of <math display="inline">x</math> which does not intersect with <math display="inline">\Sigma</math>, i.e. the map is not a submersion in this neighbourhood. It follows from [lemma 7.2] that it is enough to prove for <math display="inline">M = \R^m</math>, <math display="inline">X = \R^{m-c} \times 0_c</math> and <math display="inline">T</math> is the '''standard tubular neighbourhood'''.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 489.</ref> By standard tubular neighbourhood, we mean the trivial bundle with base <math display="inline">\R^{m-c}</math> and fibre <math display="inline">\R^c</math> where <math display="inline">\pi: \R^m \to \R^{m-c}</math>...<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 488.</ref> For <math display="inline">y \in |T| - \R^{m-c}</math>, the kernal of the differential of <math display="inline">(\pi_T, \rho_T)</math> at <math display="inline">y</math> is the orthogonal complement of <math display="inline">(\R^{m-c} \times 0_c) \oplus \stackrel{\frown}{y \pi_T(y)}</math> in <math display="inline">\R^m</math>. By the Whitney conditions, we have that for <math display="inline">y</math> near <math display="inline">\R^{m-c}</math>, <math display="inline">(\R^{m-c} \times 0_c) \oplus \stackrel{\frown}{y \pi_T(y)}</math> is close to the set of <math display="inline">m - c + 1</math> planes in <math display="inline">m-</math>space to an <math display="inline">m - c + 1</math> plane in <math display="inline">TY_y</math>. Therefore, for <math display="inline">y</math> near enough to <math display="inline">\R^{m-c}</math>, <math display="inline">TY_y</math> is transverse to the kernal of the differential of <math display="inline">(\pi_T, \rho_T)</math> and, therefore, is a submersion when restricted to <math display="inline">Y</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 489.</ref> To prove that <math display="inline">T_{X,Y}</math> is compatible with <math display="inline">(\rho_Y, \pi_Y): |T_Y| \cap X_{l+1} \to \R \times Y</math>...<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 490.</ref> Therefore, there exists a tubular neighbourhood <math display="inline">T_0</math> of <math display="inline">X_0</math> satisfying <math display="block">\rho_Y \pi_0(m) = \rho_Y(m),</math> <math display="block">\pi_Y \pi_0(m) = \pi_Y(m).</math> From this we can prove that <math display="inline">T_0</math> is compatible with <math display="inline">h</math>. Replacing <math display="inline">T_0</math> with a smaller tubular neighbourhood if necessary we can assume <math display="inline">m \in |T_0|</math> such that for some <math display="inline">Y < X</math>, <math display="inline">m \in |T_Y|</math> and <math display="inline">\pi_0(m) \in |T_Y|</math>, then<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 490.</ref> <math display="block">h \pi_0(m) = h \pi_Y \pi_0(m) = h \pi_Y(m) = h(m).</math> By the generalised tubular neighourhood theorem [prop 7.2?], we can replace <math display="inline">T_0</math> with a tubular neighbourhood <math display="inline">T</math> of <math display="inline">X</math> compatible with <math display="inline">h</math>. This completes the construction of <math display="inline">T_X</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 491.</ref> This makes <math display="inline">Z</math> an '''abstract stratified set''' with axioms...<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 491-492.</ref> This also makes <math display="inline">h</math> a '''controlled submersion''' because # <math display="inline">h|X: X \to \R</math> is a smooth submersion on each strata <math display="inline">X</math> of <math display="inline">Z</math>, and # for each stratum <math display="inline">X</math> there is a tubular neighbourhood <math display="inline">T'_X</math> such that <math display="inline">h(v) = h \pi_X(v)</math> for all <math display="inline">v \in T'_X</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 493.</ref> The core of this is the concept of a '''vector field'''. A vector field is a function which assigns, for each point <math display="inline">p</math> in a space, a '''vector''', which can be represented by an arrow whose tail starts at <math display="inline">p</math>.<ref>Henle 1979, pp. 33.</ref> [picture] Imagine we have a vector field <math display="inline">v(x)</math> defined in a space and draw a line through our space. At each point along this line the vector field assigns a vector. If we move each point in this line along the arrow defined by this vector in the direction of the arrow head. This "flows" the entire line along the vectors. [picture] We define a '''stratified vector field''' <math display="inline">\eta</math> on <math display="inline">Z</math> to be a family of smooth vector fields <math display="inline">\eta_X</math>, one for each strata <math display="inline">X</math> of <math display="inline">Z</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 493.</ref> We define a '''controlled vector field''' <math display="inline">\eta</math> on <math display="inline">Z</math> to be a stratified vector field such that for any strata <math display="inline">Y</math> there exists a tubular neighbourhood <math display="inline">T'_Y</math> such that for any <math display="inline">X > Y</math> and any <math display="inline">v \in T'_X \cap X</math><ref>Mather 2012, pp. 493.</ref> <math display="block">\eta_X \rho_{Y,X}(v) = 0,</math> <math display="block">(\pi_{Y,X})_* \eta_X(v) = \eta_Y (\pi_{Y,X}(v)).</math> We prove that if <math display="inline">h</math> is a controlled submersion then, for any smooth vector field <math display="inline">\zeta</math> on <math display="inline">\R</math> there is a controlled vector field <math display="inline">\eta</math> on <math display="inline">Z</math> such that <math display="inline">h_* \eta(v) = \zeta(h(v))</math> for all <math display="inline">v \in Z</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 493.</ref> Proceeding by induction on the maximum dimension of the strata of <math display="inline">Z</math>, we define <math display="inline">Z_k</math> to be the union of strata of <math display="inline">Z</math> of dimension at most <math display="inline">k</math>. The tubular neighbourhood of <math display="inline">Z_k</math> is the intersection of the tubular neighbourhoods of each strata in <math display="inline">Z_k</math> with <math display="inline">Z</math>. The projection and distance functions are the restrictions of the respective functions of <math display="inline">Z</math>. It is trivially true when the maximum dimension of strata in <math display="inline">Z</math> is zero. Assume it is true for <math display="inline">k</math> and construct each <math display="inline">\eta_X</math> separately for each stratum <math display="inline">X</math> of dimension <math display="inline">k + 1</math>. By the assumption that we have controlled vector fields for all strata <math display="inline">Y</math> of dimension at most <math display="inline">k</math>, we have the two control conditions defined above for any <math display="inline">X > Y</math> and that there is a neighbourhood <math display="inline">T^1_Y</math> such that <math display="inline">h(v) = h \pi_Y(v)</math> for <math display="inline">v \in T^1_Y</math>. We want to prove that for all <math display="inline">Y < X</math>, the control conditions are satisfied for all <math display="inline">v \in T^2_Y</math> and that <math display="inline">h_*\eta_X(v) = \zeta(v)</math> for all <math display="inline">v \in X</math>. Take a point <math display="inline">x \in X</math> and define the set <math display="inline">S_v</math> of strata <math display="inline">Y < X</math> such that <math display="inline">v \in T^2_Y</math>. <math display="inline">S_v</math> is totally ordered since if <math display="inline">Y_1</math> and <math display="inline">Y_2</math> are not comparable then <math display="inline">T^2_{Y_1} \cap T^2_{Y_2} = \empty</math>. Therefore, there is a largest member <math display="inline">Y = Y_v</math>. Assume the control conditions hold for <math display="inline">Y = Y_v</math>. Then they hold for all <math display="inline">Y_i \in S_v</math>. For, either <math display="inline">Y_i = Y</math> or <math display="inline">Y_i < Y</math>. In the latter case, <math display="inline">\pi_Y(v) \in T^1_{Y_i}</math> (by the choice of <math display="inline">T^2_Y</math>'s [is this why?]. Then <math display="block">\begin{align} \eta_X(v) \rho_{Y_i,X}(v) &= \eta_X \rho_{Y_i,Y} \pi_{Y,X}(v) \\ &= (\pi_{Y,X})_* \eta_X(v) \rho_{Y_i,Y} \\ &= \eta_Y(\pi_{Y,X}(v)) \rho_{Y_i,Y} \\ &= 0 \end{align}</math> and <math display="block">\begin{align} (\pi_{Y_i,X})_* \eta_X(v) &= (\pi_{Y_i,Y})_* (\pi_{Y,X})_* \eta_X(v) \\ &= (\pi_{Y_i,Y})_* \eta_Y(v) (\pi_{Y,X}) \\ &= \eta_{Y_i}(\pi_{Y_i,Y} \pi_{Y,X}(v)) \\ &= \eta_{Y_i}(\pi_{Y_i,X}(v)) \end{align}</math> and, therefore, condition holds for all <math display="inline">Y_i \in S_v</math>. Also, <math display="block">\begin{align} h_* \eta_X(v) &= (h \circ \pi_{Y,X})_* \eta_X(v) \\ &= h_* \eta_Y (\pi_{Y,X}(v)) \\ &= \zeta(f(v)) \end{align}</math> and, therefore, the conclusion of the theorem holds at <math display="inline">v</math>. This shows we can construct <math display="inline">\eta_X</math> satisfying the control conditions when <math display="inline">S_v</math> is non-empty and satisfying the theorem when <math display="inline">S_v</math> is empty. The set of vectors satisfying these conditions is convex in <math display="inline">TX_v</math>, and so we construct <math display="inline">\eta_X</math> globally via a partition of unity.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 493-495.</ref> Finally, we prove that a controlled vector field has a unique one-parameter family of homeomorphisms of <math display="inline">Z</math> which commute with <math display="inline">h</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, this combines Proposition 10.1 and Corollary 10.2 on pp. 496 and 497, respectively.</ref> For each stratum <math display="inline">X</math> of <math display="inline">Z</math>, <math display="inline">\eta_X</math> generates a unique smooth local one-parameter group <math display="inline">(J_X, \alpha_X)</math> of diffeomorphisms of <math display="inline">X</math> (by standard results of differential geometry), such that <math display="inline">\frac{d}{dt} \alpha(t, v)|_{t=0} = \eta_X(v)</math>, <math display="inline">J_X</math> is an open subset of <math display="inline">\R \times Z</math>, ... If we define <math display="inline">(J, \alpha)</math> by <math display="block">J = \bigcup_{X \in S} J_X</math> <math display="block">\alpha = \bigcup_{X \in S} \alpha_X</math> we can prove that this is a local one-parameter family of homeomorphisms.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 496.</ref> Firstly, it is clear that # <math display="inline">0 \times Z \subseteq J</math> and <math display="inline">\alpha(0, v) = v</math> for all <math display="inline">v \in Z</math>. # If <math display="inline">v \in Z</math> then <math display="inline">J_v = J \cap (\R \times v) \subseteq \R</math> is an open interval <math display="inline">(a_v, b_v)</math>, possibly infinite at one or both ends. # If <math display="inline">v \in Z</math> and <math display="inline">t, s, t + s</math> are in <math display="inline">(a_v, b_v)</math> then <math display="inline">\alpha(t + s, v) = \alpha(t, \alpha(s, v))</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 495.</ref> Secondly, it is clear that <math display="inline">\eta</math> generates <math display="inline">\alpha</math> because # Each stratum <math display="inline">X</math> of <math display="inline">Z</math> is invariant under <math display="inline">\alpha</math>, i.e. <math display="inline">\alpha[J \cap (\R \times X)] \subseteq X</math>. # For each <math display="inline">v \in Z</math>, the map <math display="inline">t \to \alpha(t, v)</math> of <math display="inline">(a_v, b_v)</math> into the stratum which contains <math display="inline">v</math> is <math display="inline">C^1</math>. # For any <math display="inline">(t, v) \in Z</math>(?) we have <math display="inline">d/dt \alpha(t, v) = \eta(\alpha(t, v))</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 495.</ref> It is unique because each <math display="inline">(J_X, \alpha_X)</math> is unique. We just need to prove that <math display="inline">J</math> is open, <math display="inline">\alpha</math> is continuous, and for any <math display="inline">v \in Z</math> and any compact set <math display="inline">K \subseteq Z</math> there exists <math display="inline">\epsilon > 0</math> such that <math display="inline">\alpha(t, v) \notin K</math> if <math display="inline">t \in (a_v, a_v + \epsilon) \cup (b_v - \epsilon, b_v)</math>.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 495.</ref> For the latter-most condition, if it did not hold then there exists...<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 496-497.</ref> We prove there is a homeomorphism <math display="inline">f: Z \to h^{-1}(0) \times \R</math> such that <math display="inline">\pi \circ f = h</math>, where <math display="inline">\pi: h^{-1}(0) \times \R \to \R</math> is projection to the second factor. For the coordinate vector field <math display="inline">\partial</math> on <math display="inline">\R</math>, by [prop 9.1] there is a controlled vector field <math display="inline">\tilde\partial</math> such that <math display="inline">f_* \tilde\partial(v) = \partial(h(v))</math> for <math display="inline">v \in Z</math>. By [prop 10.1], <math display="inline">\tilde\partial</math> generates a local one-parameter group <math display="inline">(J, \alpha)</math> such that <math display="block">h(\alpha(t,v)) = h(v) + t</math> <math display="inline">h</math> is proper and [d] holds, so <math display="inline">J = \R \times Z</math>. If we define <math display="inline">f</math> as <math display="block">f(v) = (\alpha(-t, v), h(v))</math> then <math display="inline">f</math> maps <math display="inline">Z</math> into <math display="inline">h^{-1}(0) \times \R</math> and <math display="inline">\pi \circ f = h</math>. If we define <math display="inline">\bar f: h^{-1}(0) \times \R \to Z</math> as <math display="block">\bar f(v, t) = \alpha(t, v)</math> then <math display="inline">f \bar f = \bar f f = Id</math> and <math display="inline">f</math> is a homeomorphism.<ref>Mather 2012, pp. 497.</ref> == Topology at critical points == Theorem: If there is a critical point <math display="inline">p</math> in the singular variety <math display="inline">\mathcal{V}</math> with critical value <math display="inline">v \in (a, b)</math> then the space <math display="inline">X_{\leq b}</math> is homotopic to<ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, pp. 174.</ref> <math display="block">X_{\leq a} \cup [(D^{\lambda+1}, \partial D^{\lambda+1}) \times (\mathcal{L}_X, \partial \mathcal{L}_X)].</math> Proof:<ref>Proof outline comes from Goresky and MacPherson 1988, pp. 174.</ref> # <math display="inline">(X_{\leq b}, X_{\leq a})</math> is homeomorphic to <math display="inline">(X_{\leq v + \epsilon}, X_{\leq v -\epsilon})</math>. We can prove this by "moving wall" or Thom's Isotopy Lemma.<ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, pp. 90-91, 120.</ref> # <math display="inline">X_{\leq v + \epsilon}</math> is homeomorphic to <math display="inline">X_{\leq v - \epsilon} \cup (J, K)</math>, where the latter is the local Morse data for <math display="inline">h</math> at <math display="inline">p</math>. We do this by moving the wall...<ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, pp. 95-96, 120-121.</ref> # <math display="inline">(J, K)</math> is homeomorphic to <math display="inline">(D^{\lambda+1}, \partial D^{\lambda+1}) \times (\mathcal{L}_X, \partial \mathcal{L}_X)</math> (tangential data, normal data). Again, moving the wall...<ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, pp. 65-66, chapter 8, 121.</ref> # The normal Morse data depends only on the differential <math display="inline">df(p)</math>.<ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, pp. 93.</ref> # The normal Morse data has the homotopy type of <math display="inline">(\mathcal{L}_X, \partial \mathcal{L}_X)</math>.<ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, pp. 169.</ref> === Step 1 === We get this immediately(?) by Thom's Isotopy Lemma. === Step 2 === <ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, complex case on pp. 120-121 is extension of real case on pp. 95-96.</ref> We take our space <math display="inline">M</math> and map it onto <math display="inline">\R^2</math> with the map <math display="inline">F(z) = (r(z), h(z))</math>, where <math display="inline">z \in M</math> and <math display="inline">r</math> is the square of the distance of <math display="inline">z</math> to the critical point <math display="inline">p</math>. [graph of mapping] What we want is a homeomorphism in <math display="inline">M</math> between the space <math display="inline">Z_{\leq \epsilon}</math> and <math display="inline">Z_{\leq \epsilon} \cup B</math>, where <math display="inline">B</math> is a small region of the critical point <math display="inline">p</math>. The '''local Morse data''' is <math display="block">((B_\delta \cap Z) \cap f^{-1}[v-\epsilon, v+\epsilon], (B_\delta \cap Z) \cap f^{-1}(v-\epsilon))</math> where <math display="inline">B_\delta</math> is a closed disc in <math display="inline">M</math> of radius <math display="inline">\delta</math>.<ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, pp. 63-64.</ref> Observe that this is the pair <math display="inline">(F^{-1}(\text{Box}(\delta, \epsilon)), F^{-1}(\text{Bottom}(\delta, \epsilon)))</math><ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, pp. 91.</ref> [explain Box, Bottom, etc.] [picture of the two subspaces of Z in M] We use our map <math display="inline">F</math> to convert these two subspaces to subspaces of <math display="inline">\R^2</math> which are of the form <math display="inline">Y_1 = \{(x,y) \in \R^2 | y \leq \epsilon\}</math> and <math display="inline">Y_0 = \{(x,y) \in \R^2 | y \leq -\epsilon\} \cup \{(x,y) \in \R^2 | x \leq \delta, y \leq \epsilon\}</math>, such that <math display="inline">Z_{\leq \epsilon} = F^{-1}(Y_1)</math> and <math display="inline">Z_{\leq \epsilon} \cup B = F^{-1}(Y_0)</math>.<ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, pp. 95-96.</ref> We use a homeomorphism between <math display="inline">Y_1</math> and <math display="inline">Y_0</math> using the technique of "moving the wall" and Thom's Isotopy Lemma.<ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, chapter 4, particularly pp. 71-72.</ref> For the composition <math display="block">Z \times \R \subset M \times \R \to_{F \times I} Y \subset \R^2 \times \R \to_{\pi} \R</math> where <math display="inline">Y(t, z) = Y_t(z)</math>, <math display="inline">I</math> is the identity and <math display="inline">\pi</math> is projection to the second factor. <math display="inline">Z \times \R</math> is transverse to <math display="inline">(F \times I)^{-1}(Y)</math>... The composition <math display="inline">\pi \circ (F \times I): Z \times \R \cap (F \times I)^{-1}(Y) \to \R</math> is a stratified submersion... Therefore, we can apply Thom's Isotopy Lemma which says there is a homeomorphism between the level sets of <math display="inline">Z \times \R</math>...<ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, pp. 72.</ref> === Step 3 === We prove there is a stratum preserving homeomorphism between<ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, pp. 65.</ref> <math display="block">\text{Local Morse Data} \cong (\text{Tangential Morse Data}) \times (\text{Normal Morse Data})</math> We first prove that there is a homeomorphism between the product of the normal and tangential Morse data and the realisation of the following diagram<ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, pp. 100-102.</ref> [diagram from pp. 102] where the realisation means... We use a succession of such diagrams to interpolate between the box diagram which defines local Morse data and the above diagram which defines normal times tangential...<ref>Goresky and MacPherson 1988, pp. 103.</ref> [continue from pp. 103] == Morse theory == Steps(?) * Explain topology * Every point of a stratum is locally like a product structure (proved by Thom's Isotopy Lemma) [GM pp. 41-42] ** Including those around critical points, which are the product of normal and tangential Morse data (these are our quasi-local cycles?) * Thom's Isotopy Lemma proves a strong deformation retraction (which only stops at critical points) [PWM pp. 541-542] === Homotopy === We want to replace our domain of convergence <math display="inline">M</math>, which is the complement of our singular variety <math display="inline">\mathcal{V}</math>, with an "equivalent" space <math display="inline">M'</math> which has better understood properties. We say "equivalent" because there are several different things we could mean by "equivalent" in this context. The equivalence we are referring to in this section is called '''homotopy'''. Imagine two subspaces <math display="inline">\gamma_0</math> and <math display="inline">\gamma_1</math> of a space <math display="inline">Y</math> which are defined respectively by smooth functions <math display="inline">f, g: X \to Y</math>. If there exists a smooth function <math display="inline">h_s: X \times [0, 1] \to Y</math>, called a homotopy, such that <math display="inline">h_0 = f</math>, <math display="inline">h_1 = g</math> and for any <math display="inline">\epsilon > 0</math> there exists a <math display="inline">\delta_a</math> and <math display="inline">\delta_b</math> such that when <math display="inline">|s - s_0| < \delta_a</math> and <math display="inline">|x - x_0| < \delta_b</math> we have <math display="inline">|h_s(x) - h_{s_0}(x_0)| < \epsilon</math>, then we say <math display="inline">\gamma_0</math> and <math display="inline">\gamma_1</math> are '''homotopic'''.<ref>Henle 1979, pp. 251-252.</ref> Below is an example where <math display="inline">\gamma_0</math> and <math display="inline">\gamma_1</math> are one-dimensional curves and <math display="inline">H(t, s) = h_s(t)</math>. [[File:Homotopy_curves.png|300px]] In [[#Homotopy_equivalence|Appendix A]], we formally prove that we can construct an equivalent space <math display="inline">M'</math>. We provide only an example to give some intuition before describing how to construct the space <math display="inline">M'</math> in terms of local cycles around critical points. === Motivating example === Imagine a torus and a height function which is just the z value of the point. [[File:3D-Leveltorus.png|200px]] It has four critical points: two at the top and bottom of the outer circle (<math display="inline">p_1, p_4</math>) and two at the top and bottom of the inner circle (<math display="inline">p_2, p_3</math>). [picture] When the height is between the <math display="inline">p_1</math> and <math display="inline">p_2</math>, the space is a two-cell, which can be retracted to a point. [picture] When the height is between <math display="inline">p_2</math> and <math display="inline">p_3</math>, the space is a cylinder, which can be retracted to a two-cell with a one-cell attached. [[File:3D-Cylinder_and_disk_with_handle.png|200px]] When the height is between <math display="inline">p_3</math> and <math display="inline">p_4</math>, the space is a torus with a disc removed, which can be retracted to a cylinder with a one-cell attached. [[File:3D-Cylinder_with_handle_and_torus_with_hole.png|200px]] When the height is greater than <math display="inline">p_4</math>, then the full torus is constructed by attaching a two-cell. [Explain in terms of Morse data and Morse index?] === Morse data and quasi-local cycles === As in the above example, we start at the "bottom" of <math display="inline">M</math> and build upwards until just before we reach our first critical point <math display="inline">p</math>. ;Smooth points :This is a tube around a <math display="inline">(d-1)</math>-chain <math display="inline">\gamma</math> where the height function <math display="inline">h</math> is maximised at <math display="inline">p</math>.<ref>Pemantle, Wilson and Melczer 2024, pp. 223.</ref> :For example, if <math display="inline">F(x, y) = \frac{1}{1 - x - y}</math> then <math display="inline">\lambda = 1</math> and <math display="inline">B^\lambda</math> is an arc reaching its highest point at <math display="inline">p</math>. :The normal plane <math display="inline">N</math> at <math display="inline">p</math> is a plane orthogonal to <math display="inline">B^1</math>(?). :Its normal link <math display="inline">L(S)</math> is a circle with two points missing where it intersects <math display="inline">\mathcal{V}</math>. :We make our quasi-local cycle out of the product of the arc and circle joined to <math display="inline">M_-</math> at points below <math display="inline">M_-</math>. :With the exception of degenerate points, such as monkey saddles...<ref>e.g. Pemantle, Wilson and Melczer 2024, pp. 211.</ref> ;Transverse multiple points :This is the product of a <math display="inline">k</math>-torus and a <math display="inline">(d-k)</math>-chain <math display="inline">\gamma</math>. The torus is the product of circles about <math display="inline">p</math> in the complex normal space to each strata which intersects <math display="inline">p</math>. The chain <math display="inline">\gamma</math> is supported in the stratum which is the common intersection of the varieties defined by the factors vanishing at <math display="inline">p</math>, and achieves its maximum height at <math display="inline">p</math>.<ref>Pemantle, Wilson and Melczer 2024, pp. 223-224.</ref> ;Arrangement multiple point :This is the product of a <math display="inline">(d-k)</math>-chain <math display="inline">\gamma</math> and several <math display="inline">k</math>-tori, one for each pair of sheets which intersect transversely, where the torus is the product of circles about <math display="inline">p</math> in each sheet.<ref>Pemantle, Wilson and Melczer 2024, pp. 226.</ref> ;Cone point :A cone point is zero-dimensional so there is no <math display="inline">\gamma</math>, just a <math display="inline">d</math>-torus about <math display="inline">p</math>.<ref>Pemantle, Wilson and Melczer 2024, pp. 227.</ref> == Appendix == === Homotopy equivalence === [Assuming no CVAI...] Theorem: # Homotopy equivalence between M_{\leq a} and M_{\leq b}... # If in a range <math display="inline">[a, b]</math> there are no CVAI and only one critical value <math display="inline">c</math>, not equal to either <math display="inline">a</math> or <math display="inline">b</math>, with one or more critical points <math display="inline">z_1, \cdots, z_m</math> then there is a stratified flow deforming any chain in <math display="inline">M</math> to a (homotopic?) chain in the union of <math display="inline">M_{<c}</math> with sufficiently small balls around each critical point. This induces a homotopy between <math display="inline">(M_{c+\epsilon}, M_{c-\epsilon})</math> and the direct sum of <math display="inline">(M_{c-\epsilon} \cup B_{2\epsilon}(z_i), M_{c-\epsilon})</math> for each critical point <math display="inline">z_i</math>.<ref>Pemantle, Wilson and Melczer 2024, pp. 231.</ref> The core of this is the concept of a '''vector field'''. A vector field is a function which assigns, for each point <math display="inline">p</math> in a space, a '''vector''', which can be represented by an arrow whose tail starts at <math display="inline">p</math>.<ref>Henle 1979, pp. 33.</ref> [picture] Imagine we have a vector field <math display="inline">v(x)</math> defined in a space and draw a line through our space. At each point along this line the vector field assigns a vector. If we move each point in this line along the arrow defined by this vector in the direction of the arrow head. This "flows" the entire line along the vectors. We can (potentially) define a function to implement this flow. Define <math display="inline">\Phi(x, t)</math> where <math display="inline">x</math> are points in the space and <math display="inline">t</math> is something like time. As <math display="inline">t</math> goes from zero to some positive number, <math display="inline">\Phi</math> moves the points <math display="inline">x</math> along the vectors. To describe this process formally, we say <math display="inline">\Phi</math> is the solution to the differential equation <math display="block">\frac{d}{dt} \Phi(x, t) = v(x).</math> We want a particular vector field <math display="inline">v</math> with certain properties... The proof of the existence of this vector field is long and complicated and we will not go into it here.<ref>It involves concepts such as Thom's isotopy lemma and Mather's controlled vector flows. See Mather 2012.</ref> Using this vector field <math display="inline">v</math> but modified so as to be zero on <math display="inline">M_{\leq a}</math>. This vector field defines a function <math display="inline">\Phi(x, t)</math> such that * <math display="inline">d/dt \Phi(x, t) = v(x)</math> when <math display="inline">h(x) \in (a, b]</math>. * <math display="inline">\Phi(x, t)</math> is defined for <math display="inline">0 \leq t \leq h(x) - a</math> and in this range <math display="inline">h(\Phi(x, t)) = h(x) - t</math>. * the map <math display="inline">\psi(x) = \Phi(x, b - a)</math> is a continuous map on <math display="inline">M_{\leq b}</math> with range (image?) <math display="inline">M_{\leq a}</math> and fixing <math display="inline">M_{\leq a}</math>. The function <math display="inline">\Phi(x, 0)</math> is the identity on <math display="inline">M_{\leq b}</math> and <math display="inline">\Phi(x, b - a) = \psi(x)</math>, therefore <math display="inline">\Phi</math> in the range <math display="inline">[0, b - a]</math> is a homotopy between the identity on <math display="inline">M_{\leq b}</math> and <math display="inline">\psi</math>. This implies 1)???<ref>Pemantle, Wilson and Melczer 2024, pp. 233.</ref> Define the distance from a critical point <math display="inline">\kappa(x) = \min\{ |x - z_i| : z_1, \cdots, z_m \}</math>. For <math display="inline">s > 0 </math> we define a new vector field <math display="block">v_s(x) = \begin{cases} v(x) & \kappa(x) \geq s \\ \rho(\kappa(x)) v(x) & \kappa(x) \in [s/2, s] \\ 0 & \kappa(x) \leq s/2 \end{cases}</math> for a smooth non-decreasing function <math display="inline">\rho</math> where <math display="inline">\rho(s/2) = 0</math>. Define <math display="inline">\Phi_s</math> as the function such that <math display="inline">d/dt \Phi(x, t)_s = v_s(x)</math>. The height function <math display="inline">h</math> is non-increasing along <math display="inline">\Phi_s</math> (by implication of bullet point 2?) so points in <math display="inline">M_{\leq c-\epsilon}</math> stay in <math display="inline">M_{\leq c - \epsilon}</math> when flowed along <math display="inline">\Phi_s</math> and therefore <math display="inline">\Phi_s</math> is a homotopy equivalence between <math display="inline">(M_{\leq c+\epsilon}, M_{\leq c-\epsilon})</math> and <math display="inline">(\Phi(M_{\leq c+\epsilon}, 2\epsilon), M_{\leq c-\epsilon})</math>. By <math display="inline">\Phi(M_{\leq c+\epsilon}, 2\epsilon)</math> we mean the space <math display="inline">M_{\leq c+\epsilon}</math> flowed along <math display="inline">\Phi(x, t)</math> for a short period of time <math display="inline">2\epsilon</math>. [Prove it has the same critical points and is proper?] <math display="inline">\Phi(M_{\leq c+\epsilon}, 2\epsilon)</math> takes points in <math display="inline">M_{\leq c+\epsilon}</math> to <math display="inline">M_{\leq c-\epsilon}</math> except for those that come within <math display="inline">s</math> of a critical point within time <math display="inline">2\epsilon</math>. Therefore, we see how we <math display="inline">\Phi_s</math> can homotopically deform a chain in <math display="inline">M_{\leq c+\epsilon}</math> to a chain in the union of <math display="inline">M_{\leq c-\epsilon}</math> and small neighbourhoods of critical points.<ref>Pemantle, Wilson and Melczer 2024, pp. 234-235.</ref> On the assumption of this theorem, we can start with any chain in <math display="inline">M</math> and deform this chain to <math display="inline">M_{c_1+}</math> using part 1. Then we deform this chain to a chain in the union of <math display="inline">M_{c_1-}</math> and small balls around the critical points. The (sub?)chain in <math display="inline">M_{c_1-}</math> is then deformed to a chain in <math display="inline">M_{c_2+}</math>, which is deformed to a chain in <math display="inline">M_{c_2-} \cup z_{c_2}</math>, and so on. Eventually, we get to <math display="inline">M_{c_j-}</math> which is homotopic to any space "below" it. Therefore, we have deformed our chain in <math display="inline">M</math> to a homotopic chain in the union of small balls around critical points.<ref>Baryshnikov, Melczer and Pemantle 2022, pp. ???.</ref><ref>Pemantle, Wilson and Melczer 2024, pp. 217???</ref> [Direct sum of homology generators for relative cycles] == Notes == {{Reflist}} == References == * {{citation | last1=Baryshnikov | first1=Yuliy | last2=Melczer | first2=Stephen | last3=Pemantle | first3=Robin | title=Stationary Points at Infinity for Analytic Combinatorics | year=2022 | journal=Foundations of Computational Mathematics | volume=22 | number=5 | pages=1631-1664 | url=https://www2.math.upenn.edu/~pemantle/papers/SPAI-published-version.pdf }}. * {{cite book | last1=Goresky | first1=Mark | last2=MacPherson | first2=Robert | title=Stratified Morse Theory | publisher=Springer-Verlag | year=1988 | url=https://www.math.ias.edu/~goresky/pdf/SMT.djvu }} * {{cite book | last=Henle | first1=Michael | title=A Combinatorial Introduction to Topology | publisher=Dover Publications Inc. New York | year=1979 }} * {{citation | last=Mather | first=John | title=Notes on Topological Stability | year=2012 | journal=Bulletin of the American Mathematical Society | volume=49 | number=4 | pages=475-506 | url=https://www.ams.org/journals/bull/2012-49-04/S0273-0979-2012-01383-6/S0273-0979-2012-01383-6.pdf }}. * {{cite book | last1=Pemantle | first1=Robin | last2=Wilson | first2=Mark C. | last3=Melczer | first3=Stephen | title=Analytic Combinatorics in Several Variables | publisher=Cambridge University Press | year=2024 | edition=2nd | url=https://acsvproject.com/PemantleWilsonMelczer23.pdf }} iz8acmae4zgohv03ss6ay6t1ovvt1v5 4 481045 4671694 4619927 2026-09-22T05:14:37Z Axolitl 3615435 use vectors when possible 4671694 wikitext text/x-wiki {{unstable}} The implementation of '''global user rights''' on Wikimedia projects extends to the English Wikibooks. 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[https://www.thegoodpenguin.co.uk/blog/an-overview-of-opensbi/ OpenSBI] is an [https://github.com/riscv/opensbi open-source reference implementation] of the RISC-V Supervisor Binary Interface [https://github.com/riscv/riscv-sbi-doc SBI] specification. Firmware running at a higher privilege level that setups hardware and allows lower privilege levels, like an operating system, to call up to it for power-cycling or allocating CPU cores. With [https://riscv.org/technical/specifications/ RISC-V], userspace at ‘U’, the kernel at ‘S’ (supervisor) and the firmware at ‘M’ (machine). RISC-V knows 3 privilege levels: <pre> M (machine) mode: highest privilege low-level firmware (e.g. OpenSBI), system boot, and security (e.g. secure execution environments) handles critical system traps return to lower-privileged levels using mret instruction S (supervisor) mode: intermediate privilege used by operating system kernels to manage memory and hardware resources restrict direct access to machine-level configuration registers and physical memory protection (PMP) uses Memory Management Unit (MMU) and virtual memory ecall instruction to request kernel services return to U-mode using sret instruction U (user) mode: lowest privilege cannot execute privileged instructions, access physical memory directly without virtual memory translations, or directly alter core control registers user space executing standard applications prevents incorrect or malicious application code from interfering with other running programs or the operating system itself </pre> Thus ‘S’ and ‘VS’ refer to the kernel (where ‘VS’ relates to virtual s-mode when virtualisation is in use). QEMU can emulate both 32-bit and 64-bit RISC-V CPUs. Use the qemu-system-riscv64 executable to simulate a 64-bit RISC-V machine, It also supports 64-bit CPUs. ===Native=== '''Download''' [https://aros.sourceforge.io/nightly1.html Milk-V Titan] opensbi-riscv64-contrib opensbi-riscv64-system RVA22 Youtube [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTSmlnChJTc RISC-V boot], [], ==Hardware== [https://github.com/aros-development-team/AROS/commit/1dfa83fe021e22e0bf7d324f204506d5ffc72398 processor resource], [https://github.com/aros-development-team/AROS/commit/429ed36588d77368633c1fd1e08265270459941a resolving crash dumps], [https://github.com/aros-development-team/AROS/commit/3743b4d464dafa2409de358029a34ecef7f123cb dwmac], [https://github.com/aros-development-team/AROS/commit/374f6e910e0206549450db1c25428e719a1ac2c1 bootable], [], Roughly, the order CPU in terms of newness and speed capability 64bit * with RVA30 in 2030? * with RVA23p2 * with RVA23p1 None of the below beat an Intel N100 but closer to Pi5 in synthetic CPU benchmarks but it is getting better * with Ventana Veyron V2 * with Alibaba XuanTie T-Head C950 * with tenstorrent TT-Ascalon * with Akeana Start of AI enabled SoCs *Milk-V Jupiter 2 with SpacemiT K3 64-bit RISC-V 8 X100 and 8 A100 AI npu RVA23 compliant with PowerVR B BXM-4-64 gpu proprietary driver (binary blob), Raysan Ram, realtek , kingston ufs nand, pci-e nvme, type-c psu and dp out, 1 realtek rtl8127 10GbE - Pico ITX - *Banana Pi BPI-SM10 (K3-Com260) with SpaceMIT K3 and proprietary driver gpu (binary blob) - lpddr5 - ufs - *Sipeed with Zhihe A210 8-core 4x C920 cores at up to 2.3 GHz and 4x C908 cores at 1.9 GHz 64-bit RISC-V CPU RVA23 compatible and proprietary driver gpu (binary blob) - Lifecycle of CPUs from 1 to 1.5 years *[https://milkv.io/titan Milk-V Titan] UltraRISC UR-DP1000 2x4c 64-bit UR-CP100 “RV64GCBHX” cores SoC but lacks some vector extension on a mini-itx board with dwmac ethernet - 1x PCIe x16 Slot (PCIe Gen4, 16‑lane) for gfx card - *[https://docs.banana-pi.org/en/BPI-F3/BananaPi_BPI-F3 Banana Pi BPI-F3] with 64bit SpaceMiT K1 8-core (2x4) RISC-V X60 (RV64GCVB) RVA22 RVV1.0 - eMMC - LPddr4 - 2 GbE - IMG BXE-2-32@819MHz proprietary driver (binary blob) - RTL8852BS WIFI6 - *SiFive's HiFive Premier P550 Eswin EIC7700X SoC with a quad-core SiFive P550 and Imagination Technologies' GPU IP proprietary (binary blob) - *Milk-V Megrez RISC-V AI PC with the ESWIN EIC7700X SoC and Imagination Technologies' GPU IP proprietary (binary blob) - *[http://www.orangepi.org/html/hardWare/computerAndMicrocontrollers/details/Orange-Pi-RV2.html Orange Pi RV2] RISC-V SBC with SpaceMiT X60 8-core Ky X1 64-bit RISC-V, 2 TOPS NPU, 4 GB of LPDDR4 RAM - ethernet with PHY YT8531C-CA - Wi-Fi + Bluetooth 2-in-1 Module AP6256 - imagination bxe-2-32 gpu proprietary driver (binary blob) - *StarFive Star64 Model A - StarFive JH-7110 SoC combines a quad-core SiFive U74 with IM BXE-4-32-G52-2EE GPU proprietary driver (binary blob) - *Milk-V Mars StarFive JH7110 SoC and IMGBXE-4-32 GPU (binary blob) *VisionFive 2 SBC StarFive JH7110 SoC and IMGBXE-4-32 GPU (binary blob) with dwmac *Lichee Pi 4 A (LPi4A) is a Pi like with 64bit Pinto Alibaba T-Head TH1520 quad-core Xuantie C910 with BXM-4-64 GPU proprietary driver {binary blob} - dwmac *BeagleBoard [https://github.com/beagleboard/beaglev-starlight BeagleV] beta prototypes produced only *[https://milkv.io/jupiter Milk-V Jupiter V1.0 V1.1] with Spacemit M1 64bit RISC-V 8 X60 cores SoC with IMG BXE-2-32 linux binary blob but 1 PCIe 2.1 x8 slot on Mini-ITX up to 16GB *StarFive VisionFive V1 with JH7100 64bit SoC and no 3D (binary blob) - * with [https://docs.aw-ol.com/d1/en/d1_dev/ Allwinner D1-H] 1core C906 sun20i HDMI and sun8i ethernet, gfx (binary blob), *[https://www.sifive.com/boards/hifive-unmatched sifive hifive unmatched] with SiFive Freedom FU540 and later U740 (FU740) SoC *Ox64 Single Board Computer features a Bouffalo Lab BL808 RISC-V SoC 32bit *HiFive1 Rev B FE310-G002 processor, which includes a 32-bit RV32IMAC core ==Reference== [https://www.codethink.co.uk/articles/2026/deep-dive-into-upstream-risc-v-boot-chain.html Risc-V Boot] [https://download.haiku-os.org/nightly-images/riscv64/ HaikuOS alpha builds] [] [https://github.com/asicguy/gplgpu Open hardware GPU], [https://www.furygpu.com/ Fury GPU] is still an issue for many boards but some software efforts are happening for [https://www.reddit.com/r/RISCV/comments/1kz493p/orange_pi_rv2_gpu_acceleration/ later BXM BXE GPUs] Open Hardware GPU needs a frame buffer, Pixel processor (Fragment shader and Rasterizer) - geometry processor (aka vertex shader), output signal generator (Timing generator, scalers, interpolators). Newer gpus have unified shaders etc {{BookCat}}ami wombcdhy mkownvj snks ne2v8k9fe202ot58lknkcpc40lk1b0r 4671696 4671695 2026-09-22T05:29:52Z TechVindicator 3626296 Reverted 1 edit by [[Special:Contributions/~2026-51087-74|~2026-51087-74]] ([[User talk:~2026-51087-74|talk]]) to last revision by Jeff1138 (TwinkleGlobal) 4671696 wikitext text/x-wiki ==Introduction== RISC-V ISA (Instruction Set) aim to be an additional open hardware option to closed Arm or x86 ISAs used in most CPUs. [https://www.thegoodpenguin.co.uk/blog/an-overview-of-opensbi/ OpenSBI] is an [https://github.com/riscv/opensbi open-source reference implementation] of the RISC-V Supervisor Binary Interface [https://github.com/riscv/riscv-sbi-doc SBI] specification. Firmware running at a higher privilege level that setups hardware and allows lower privilege levels, like an operating system, to call up to it for power-cycling or allocating CPU cores. With [https://riscv.org/technical/specifications/ RISC-V], userspace at ‘U’, the kernel at ‘S’ (supervisor) and the firmware at ‘M’ (machine). RISC-V knows 3 privilege levels: <pre> M (machine) mode: highest privilege low-level firmware (e.g. OpenSBI), system boot, and security (e.g. secure execution environments) handles critical system traps return to lower-privileged levels using mret instruction S (supervisor) mode: intermediate privilege used by operating system kernels to manage memory and hardware resources restrict direct access to machine-level configuration registers and physical memory protection (PMP) uses Memory Management Unit (MMU) and virtual memory ecall instruction to request kernel services return to U-mode using sret instruction U (user) mode: lowest privilege cannot execute privileged instructions, access physical memory directly without virtual memory translations, or directly alter core control registers user space executing standard applications prevents incorrect or malicious application code from interfering with other running programs or the operating system itself </pre> Thus ‘S’ and ‘VS’ refer to the kernel (where ‘VS’ relates to virtual s-mode when virtualisation is in use). QEMU can emulate both 32-bit and 64-bit RISC-V CPUs. Use the qemu-system-riscv64 executable to simulate a 64-bit RISC-V machine, It also supports 64-bit CPUs. ===Native=== '''Download''' [https://aros.sourceforge.io/nightly1.html Milk-V Titan] opensbi-riscv64-contrib opensbi-riscv64-system RVA22 Youtube [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTSmlnChJTc RISC-V boot], [], ==Hardware== [https://github.com/aros-development-team/AROS/commit/1dfa83fe021e22e0bf7d324f204506d5ffc72398 processor resource], [https://github.com/aros-development-team/AROS/commit/429ed36588d77368633c1fd1e08265270459941a resolving crash dumps], [https://github.com/aros-development-team/AROS/commit/3743b4d464dafa2409de358029a34ecef7f123cb dwmac], [https://github.com/aros-development-team/AROS/commit/374f6e910e0206549450db1c25428e719a1ac2c1 bootable], [], Roughly, the order CPU in terms of newness and speed capability 64bit * with RVA30 in 2030? * with RVA23p2 * with RVA23p1 None of the below beat an Intel N100 but closer to Pi5 in synthetic CPU benchmarks but it is getting better * with Ventana Veyron V2 * with Alibaba XuanTie T-Head C950 * with tenstorrent TT-Ascalon * with Akeana Start of AI enabled SoCs *Milk-V Jupiter 2 with SpacemiT K3 64-bit RISC-V 8 X100 and 8 A100 AI npu RVA23 compliant with PowerVR B BXM-4-64 gpu proprietary driver (binary blob), Raysan Ram, realtek , kingston ufs nand, pci-e nvme, type-c psu and dp out, 1 realtek rtl8127 10GbE - Pico ITX - *Banana Pi BPI-SM10 (K3-Com260) with SpaceMIT K3 and proprietary driver gpu (binary blob) - lpddr5 - ufs - *Sipeed with Zhihe A210 8-core 4x C920 cores at up to 2.3 GHz and 4x C908 cores at 1.9 GHz 64-bit RISC-V CPU RVA23 compatible and proprietary driver gpu (binary blob) - Lifecycle of CPUs from 1 to 1.5 years *[https://milkv.io/titan Milk-V Titan] UltraRISC UR-DP1000 2x4c 64-bit UR-CP100 “RV64GCBHX” cores SoC but lacks some vector extension on a mini-itx board with dwmac ethernet - 1x PCIe x16 Slot (PCIe Gen4, 16‑lane) for gfx card - *[https://docs.banana-pi.org/en/BPI-F3/BananaPi_BPI-F3 Banana Pi BPI-F3] with 64bit SpaceMiT K1 8-core (2x4) RISC-V X60 (RV64GCVB) RVA22 RVV1.0 - eMMC - LPddr4 - 2 GbE - IMG BXE-2-32@819MHz proprietary driver (binary blob) - RTL8852BS WIFI6 - *SiFive's HiFive Premier P550 Eswin EIC7700X SoC with a quad-core SiFive P550 and Imagination Technologies' GPU IP proprietary (binary blob) - *Milk-V Megrez RISC-V AI PC with the ESWIN EIC7700X SoC and Imagination Technologies' GPU IP proprietary (binary blob) - *[http://www.orangepi.org/html/hardWare/computerAndMicrocontrollers/details/Orange-Pi-RV2.html Orange Pi RV2] RISC-V SBC with SpaceMiT X60 8-core Ky X1 64-bit RISC-V, 2 TOPS NPU, 4 GB of LPDDR4 RAM - ethernet with PHY YT8531C-CA - Wi-Fi + Bluetooth 2-in-1 Module AP6256 - imagination bxe-2-32 gpu proprietary driver (binary blob) - *StarFive Star64 Model A - StarFive JH-7110 SoC combines a quad-core SiFive U74 with IM BXE-4-32-G52-2EE GPU proprietary driver (binary blob) - *Milk-V Mars StarFive JH7110 SoC and IMGBXE-4-32 GPU (binary blob) *VisionFive 2 SBC StarFive JH7110 SoC and IMGBXE-4-32 GPU (binary blob) with dwmac *Lichee Pi 4 A (LPi4A) is a Pi like with 64bit Pinto Alibaba T-Head TH1520 quad-core Xuantie C910 with BXM-4-64 GPU proprietary driver {binary blob} - dwmac *BeagleBoard [https://github.com/beagleboard/beaglev-starlight BeagleV] beta prototypes produced only *[https://milkv.io/jupiter Milk-V Jupiter V1.0 V1.1] with Spacemit M1 64bit RISC-V 8 X60 cores SoC with IMG BXE-2-32 linux binary blob but 1 PCIe 2.1 x8 slot on Mini-ITX up to 16GB *StarFive VisionFive V1 with JH7100 64bit SoC and no 3D (binary blob) - * with [https://docs.aw-ol.com/d1/en/d1_dev/ Allwinner D1-H] 1core C906 sun20i HDMI and sun8i ethernet, gfx (binary blob), *[https://www.sifive.com/boards/hifive-unmatched sifive hifive unmatched] with SiFive Freedom FU540 and later U740 (FU740) SoC *Ox64 Single Board Computer features a Bouffalo Lab BL808 RISC-V SoC 32bit *HiFive1 Rev B FE310-G002 processor, which includes a 32-bit RV32IMAC core ==Reference== [https://www.codethink.co.uk/articles/2026/deep-dive-into-upstream-risc-v-boot-chain.html Risc-V Boot] [https://download.haiku-os.org/nightly-images/riscv64/ HaikuOS alpha builds] [] [https://github.com/asicguy/gplgpu Open hardware GPU], [https://www.furygpu.com/ Fury GPU] is still an issue for many boards but some software efforts are happening for [https://www.reddit.com/r/RISCV/comments/1kz493p/orange_pi_rv2_gpu_acceleration/ later BXM BXE GPUs] Open Hardware GPU needs a frame buffer, Pixel processor (Fragment shader and Rasterizer) - geometry processor (aka vertex shader), output signal generator (Timing generator, scalers, interpolators). Newer gpus have unified shaders etc {{BookCat}} nt55df84n3rhldcfpi81xht3iz3ntac 0 485425 4671755 4670700 2026-09-22T11:50:50Z Sisterian 3123918 Sisterian moved page [[User:Pamela Talemwa/sandbox/A Young Reader's Guide to a Healthy Environment]] to [[A Young Reader's Guide to a Healthy Environment]]: done editing 4670700 wikitext text/x-wiki == '''<big>A Young Reader's Guide to a Clean and Healthy Environment.</big>''' == == '''Book Summary:''' == A Young Reader’s Guide to a Clean and Healthy Community is an educational book for Primary 4–6 learners that teaches children how to care for their homes, schools and communities. The book begins by helping children understand what a community is and why everyone has a responsibility to care for it. It then introduces proper waste management, protection of water sources, the importance of trees, teamwork and children's leadership. Through simple explanations, stories, activities and discussion questions, learners are encouraged to move from simply learning about environmental problems to taking positive action. === Expected Outcome === The book will encourage children to practice good hygiene, protect the environment, work together and take responsibility for creating cleaner, safer and healthier communities. === Conclusion === The book will remind young readers that everyone has a role to play in protecting the environment and that '''small actions can make a big difference'''. == '''Introduction:''' == Our environment is our home. We live, learn, play and grow in it. Keeping it clean and healthy helps us stay safe and happy. This book teaches young readers simple ways to care for their homes, schools and communities. Through short stories, activities and questions, children will learn about rubbish, clean water, trees, teamwork and responsibility. Remember, '''small actions can make a big difference!''' == Chapter 1: Our Community, Our Responsibility == === Understanding a community === While we traditionally think of a community as the people in a given geographical location, the word can really refer to any group sharing something in common -- '''place''' (such as a city, neighborhood, or school district), '''experience''' (such as shared experience of racism), or '''interest''' (e.g., a community's concern about poverty or violence prevention). These various communities often overlap. A Black art teacher, for example, might see herself (or be seen by others) as a member of the Black, arts, and/or education communities, as well as of a particular faith community. Whichever community defines your work, you will want to get to know it well. Examples of communities include homes, schools, villages and neighborhoods. People in a community share places and resources. They should help one another and work together to solve problems.<ref>{{Cite web |title=Community shared resources: Connecting the Dots: The Impact of Shared Resources in Local Communities |url=https://fastercapital.com/content/Community-shared-resources--Connecting-the-Dots--The-Impact-of-Shared-Resources-in-Local-Communities.html |access-date=2026-09-14 |website=FasterCapital |language=en}}</ref> === What do we mean by understanding and describing the community? === Understanding the community entails understanding it in a number of ways. Whether or not the community is defined geographically, it still has a geographic context -- a setting that it exists in. Getting a clear sense of this setting may be key to a full understanding of it. At the same time, it's important to understand the specific community you're concerned with. You have to get to know its people -- their culture, their concerns, and relationships -- and to develop your own relationships with them as well. * ''Physical aspects''. Every community has a physical presence of some sort, even if only one building. Most have a geographic area or areas they are either defined by or attached to. It's important to know the community's size and the look and feel of its buildings, its topography (the lay of the land -- the hills, valleys, rivers, roads, and other features you'd find on a map), and each of its neighborhoods. Also important are how various areas of the community differ from one another, and whether your impression is one of clean, well-maintained houses and streets, or one of shabbiness, dirt, and neglect. If the community is one defined by its population, then its physical properties are also defined by the population: where they live, where they gather, the places that are important to them. The characteristics of those places can tell you a great deal about the people who make up the community. Their self-image, many of their attitudes, and their aspirations are often reflected in the places where they choose -- or are forced by circumstance or discrimination -- to live, work, gather, and play. * ''Infrastructure''. Roads, bridges, transportation (local public transportation, airports, train lines), electricity, landline and mobile telephone service, broadband service, and similar "basics" make up the infrastructure of the community, without which it couldn't function. * ''Patterns of settlement, commerce, and industry''. Where are those physical spaces we've been discussing? Communities reveal their character by where and how they create living and working spaces. Where there are areas with severely inadequate housing and limited services --  substandard housing in areas with few or no services that are the only options for people with lower incomes -- the value the larger community places on those residents seems clear. Are heavy industries located next to residential neighborhoods? If so, who lives in those neighborhoods? Are some parts of the community dangerous, either because of high crime and violence or because of unsafe conditions in the built or natural environment? * ''Demographics''.  It's vital to understand who makes up the community.  Age, gender, race and ethnicity, marital status, education, number of people in household, first language -- these and other statistics make up the demographic profile of the population. When you put them together (e.g.,  the education level of black women ages 18-24), it gives you a clear picture of who community residents are. * ''History''. The long-term history of the community can tell you about community traditions, what the community is, or has been, proud of, and what residents would prefer not to talk about. Recent history can afford valuable information about conflicts and factions within the community, important issues, past and current relationships among key people and groups -- many of the factors that can trip up any effort before it starts if you don't know about and address them. * ''Community leaders, formal and informal''. Some community leaders are elected or appointed -- mayors, city councilors, directors of public works. Others are considered leaders because of their activities or their positions in the community -- community activists, corporate CEO's, college presidents, doctors, clergy.  Still others are recognized as leaders because, they are trusted for their proven integrity, courage, and/or care for others and the good of the community. * ''Community culture, formal and informal''. This covers the spoken and unspoken rules and traditions by which the community lives. It can include everything from community events and slogans -- the blessing of the fishing fleet, the "Artichoke Capital of the World" -- to norms of behavior -- turning a blind eye to alcohol use disorder or domestic violence -- to patterns of discrimination and exercise of power. Understanding the culture and how it developed can be crucial, especially if that's what you're attempting to change. * ''Existing groups''.  Most communities have an array of groups and organizations of different kinds -- service clubs (Lions, Rotary, etc.), faith groups, youth organizations, sports teams and clubs, groups formed around shared interests, the boards of community-wide organizations (the YMCA, the Rotary Club), as well as groups devoted to self-help, advocacy, and activism.  Knowing of the existence and importance of each of these groups can pave the way for alliances or for understanding opposition. * ''Existing institutions''. Every community has institutions that are important to it, and that have more or less credibility with residents. Colleges and universities, libraries, religious institutions, hospitals -- all of these and many others can occupy important places in the community. It's important to know what they are, who represents them, and what influence they wield. * ''Economics''.  Who are the major employers in the community?  What, if any, business or industry is the community's base? Who, if anyone, exercises economic power? How is wealth distributed? Would you characterize the community as poor, working, class, middle class, or affluent?  What are the economic prospects of the population in general and/or the population you're concerned with? * ''Government/Politics''. Understanding the structure of community government is obviously important. Some communities may have strong mayors and weak city councils, others the opposite. Still other communities may have no mayor at all, but only a town manager, or may have a different form of government entirely.  Whatever the government structure, where does political power lie? Understanding where the real power is can be the difference between a successful effort and a vain one. * ''Social structure''. Many aspects of social structure are integrated into other areas -- relationships, politics, economics -- but there are also the questions of how people in the community relate to one another on a daily basis, how problems are (or aren't) resolved, who socializes or does business with whom, etc. This area also includes perceptions and symbols of status and respect, and whether status carries entitlement or responsibility (or both). * ''Attitudes and values''. Again, much of this area may be covered by investigation into others, particularly culture. What does the community care about, and what does it ignore? What are residents' assumptions about the proper way to behave, to dress, to do business, to treat others? Is there widely accepted discrimination against one or more groups by the majority or by those in power? What are the norms for interaction among those who with different opinions or different backgrounds? '''We'll discuss all of these aspects of community in greater detail later in the section.'''<blockquote>There are obviously many more aspects of community that can be explored, such as health or education.  The assumption here is that as part of an assessment, you'll aim for a general understanding of the community, as described in this section, and also assess, with a narrower focus, the specific aspects you're interested in.</blockquote>Once you've explored the relevant areas of the community, you'll have the information to create a community description. Depending on your needs and information, this description might be anything from a two-or three-page outline to an in-depth portrait of the community that extends to tens of pages and includes charts, graphs, photographs, and other elements. The point of doing it is to have a picture of the community at a particular point in time that you can use to provide a context for your community assessment and to see the results of whatever actions you take to bring about change.<blockquote>A community description can be as creative as you're capable of making it.  It can be written as a story, can incorporate photos and commentary from community residents, can be done online and include audio and video, etc. The more interesting the description is, the more people are likely to actually read it.</blockquote> === Caring for Our Surroundings and the enviroment === Our surroundings or environment is the natural world around you the air, water, land, plants, and animals. Everything in nature is part of your environment. You share this environment with people, animals, and plants in your community. === '''How you can care for your surroundings''' === === Reduce, Reuse, and Recycle === You can follow the three-R rule every day. '''Reduce''' means using less so you make less waste. '''Reuse''' means using something again instead of throwing it away. '''Recycle''' means turning old materials into new ones. For example, you can use a reusable lunch bag and water bottle at school. You can decorate an old jar and use it as a pencil holder. You can put paper and plastic bottles in the recycling bin. === Sorting Your Waste === You sort your waste by putting it in the right bin. Banana peels go in the '''compost bin'''. A plastic bottle goes in the '''recycling bin'''. A broken toy that cannot be fixed goes in the '''garbage bin'''. Sorting waste properly helps protect the environment. === Composting === Composting means collecting food waste like; banana peels, left overs and vegetable cuttings. These wastes break down and turn into rich soil for gardens. === Saving Water and Energy === You can save water by turning off the tap while brushing your teeth. You can save electricity by turning off lights when you leave a room. These small actions help protect natural resources every single day. === Planting Trees and Native Plants === Trees clean the air and give animals a home. Planting flowers and native plants in your garden helps birds, bees, and butterflies find food and shelter. This supports the wildlife in your neighborhood. Additionally, you can help by; Cleaning our homes, classrooms and playgrounds, and Keeping water sources clean. * Avoiding damage to public property. * Helping people who need support. === Children's Responsibilities === Children have an important role in caring for their communities. They can help by setting a good example and encouraging others to behave responsibly.<ref>{{Cite web |date=2024-06-05 |title=Empowering Kids to Make a Big Impact in Their Communities |url=https://sesameworkshop.org/resources/empowering-kids-to-make-a-big-impact-in-their-communities/ |access-date=2026-09-14 |website=Sesame Workshop |language=en-US}}</ref> Children should respect others, avoid littering and report dangerous or dirty places to trusted adults. === Short Story: The Rubbish Behind the Library === Some pupils noticed rubbish behind their school library. They decided to clean the area with the help of their teacher. They collected the rubbish, placed it in bins and planted flowers near the library. The area became clean and beautiful. Other pupils followed their example. '''Lesson:''' Everyone can help to improve the community. === Activity and Discussion === # What is a community? # Name three ways of keeping your school clean. # Why should children care for their surroundings? # Organize a small classroom cleaning activity. == Chapter 2: Types of Waste and Every Piece of Rubbish Has a Place == === Introduction === Every day, people produce waste. We throw away food scraps, plastic bottles, paper, cans, old clothes, broken equipment, and many other things. Waste is a normal part of human life, but the way we handle it determines whether it becomes a danger or a useful resource. Waste that is thrown anywhere can make our surroundings dirty, block drainage channels, pollute water, attract pests, and spread disease. However, when waste is '''sorted, reused, recycled, treated, or disposed of correctly''', it can be managed safely. This chapter explains the main '''types of waste''' and introduces an important idea: '''every piece of rubbish has a proper place'''. This chapter explains the main '''types of waste''' and introduces an important idea: '''every piece of rubbish has a proper place'''. ---- === 1. What Is Waste? === '''Waste''' is any material, substance, or object that a person no longer wants or needs and decides to discard.<ref>{{Cite web |title=What is waste? – KS2 Science curriculum |url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/articles/z2rhcj6 |access-date=2026-09-14 |website=BBC Bitesize |language=en-GB}}</ref> Examples include: * Banana peels * Plastic bottles * Newspapers * Empty tins * Broken glass * Old batteries * Used clothes * Food leftovers * Broken electronic devices Not all waste is the same. Different materials have different effects on the environment and require different methods of handling. ---- === 2. Types of Waste === Waste can be classified in several ways. The most common classification is according to its '''nature and source'''. ==== A. Biodegradable Waste ==== '''Biodegradable waste''' is waste that can be broken down naturally by microorganisms such as bacteria and fungi. Examples include: * Fruit and vegetable peels * Food leftovers * Leaves * Grass * Animal manure * Paper and some untreated natural materials Biodegradable waste can often be turned into '''compost''', which is useful for improving soil. === Example === Instead of throwing banana peels into a general rubbish pile, they can be collected with other organic materials and composted. '''Remember:''' '''Biodegradable = can naturally break down.''' ---- ==== B. Non-Biodegradable Waste ==== '''Non-biodegradable waste''' does not break down easily through natural processes, or it may take a very long time to do so. Examples include: * Plastic bags * Plastic bottles * Glass * Some metals * Synthetic materials Some non-biodegradable materials can be '''reused or recycled''' rather than thrown away. === Why is it a problem? === When non-biodegradable waste is poorly managed, it can remain in the environment for long periods and contribute to land and water pollution. '''Remember:''' '''Non-biodegradable = does not easily break down naturally.''' ---- === 3. Recyclable Waste === '''Recyclable waste''' consists of materials that can be collected and processed into new products.<ref>{{Cite web |last=Gabriel |first=Mr |date=2024-09-12 |title=How to Dispose Waste Properly: A Guide to Proper Waste Management |url=https://whatisgreenliving.com/how-to-dispose-waste-properly/ |access-date=2026-09-14 |website=What is Green Living? |language=en-GB}}</ref> Common recyclable materials include: * Paper * Cardboard * Certain plastics * Aluminium cans * Steel cans * Glass bottles and containers For recycling to work effectively, materials should be '''sorted and kept reasonably clean'''.<ref>{{Cite web |title=Topic 2 Reusing in daily life – CICLO |url=https://ciclo-project.eu/topic/topic-2-reusing-in-daily-life/ |access-date=2026-09-14 |language=en-GB}}</ref> === Example === An empty metal drink can can be collected, processed, and used to make new metal products instead of being sent directly to a landfill. ---- === 4. Hazardous Waste === '''Hazardous waste''' is waste that can cause harm to people, animals, or the environment if it is handled or disposed of incorrectly. Examples include: * Used batteries * Certain chemicals * Pesticide containers * Some paints and solvents * Medical sharps * Some electronic waste * Certain cleaning products Hazardous waste should '''not simply be mixed with ordinary household rubbish'''. It may require special collection, treatment, or disposal. ==== Safety rule ==== Never play with, burn, open, or pour unknown chemicals or hazardous waste into drains, rivers, or onto the ground. ---- === 5. Electronic Waste === '''Electronic waste''', commonly called '''e-waste''', includes unwanted electrical and electronic equipment. Examples include: * Old mobile phones * Computers * Televisions * Radios * Chargers * Keyboards * Printers * Broken appliances Electronic devices contain valuable materials that can sometimes be recovered and reused. They may also contain substances that require careful handling. Therefore, unwanted electronics should be taken to appropriate collection or recycling facilities where available. ---- === 6. Medical Waste === '''Medical waste''' is waste produced during healthcare activities. Examples include: * Used syringes * Needles * Bandages * Gloves * Contaminated dressings * Certain medicines and medical materials Medical waste can pose health risks if it is not properly handled. For example, '''used needles should never be placed loosely into ordinary rubbish''', because they can injure people and potentially transmit infection. Healthcare facilities use special containers and procedures for managing such waste. ---- === 7. Construction and Demolition Waste === Construction activities produce waste such as: * Broken bricks * Concrete * Soil * Wood * Roofing materials * Scrap metal * Tiles Some of these materials can be reused in construction or recycled. Good construction waste management reduces unnecessary dumping and saves useful materials. ---- === 8. Liquid Waste === '''Liquid waste''' is waste in liquid form. Examples include: * Wastewater * Used cooking oil * Certain industrial liquids * Sewage * Some chemical liquids Liquid waste must be managed carefully because it can easily enter soil, drains, streams, lakes, and groundwater. '''Never pour hazardous liquids into a river, open drain, or onto bare soil.''' ---- === 9. Gaseous Waste === Some human activities release waste substances into the air in the form of gases or particles. Sources can include: * Vehicle exhaust * Industrial processes * Burning waste * Certain fuel-burning appliances Poor management of air pollutants can contribute to poor air quality and environmental damage. This is one reason '''open burning of rubbish is generally a poor waste-management practice''', especially when plastics and other materials are burned. ---- === 10. Every Piece of Rubbish Has a Place === The statement '''“Every piece of rubbish has a place”''' teaches us that waste should not be thrown carelessly. Different kinds of waste should go to appropriate destinations. A simple waste-sorting system can look like this: {| class="wikitable" !Type of waste !Examples !Suitable action |- |Organic waste |Food scraps, leaves |Composting |- |Paper/cardboard |Newspapers, boxes |Reuse or recycle |- |Plastics |Bottles, containers |Reuse or recycle where facilities exist |- |Glass |Bottles, jars |Reuse or recycle |- |Metals |Cans, scrap metal |Recycle |- |E-waste |Phones, computers |Special collection/recycling |- |Hazardous waste |Batteries, chemicals |Special handling |- |Medical waste |Needles, contaminated materials |Approved medical-waste system |- |General residual waste |Materials that cannot be recovered |Appropriate final disposal |} The exact collection system differs from one community to another, so people should follow the waste-sorting rules used by their local authority or waste-collection service. ---- === 11. The Waste Hierarchy === Good waste management does not begin with throwing things away. It follows a hierarchy that encourages people to prevent waste first. ==== 1. Refuse ==== Avoid unnecessary items when possible. '''Example:''' Refuse unnecessary single-use packaging. ==== 2. Reduce ==== Use fewer resources and produce less waste. '''Example:''' Buy only the food you are likely to use. ===== 3. Reuse ===== Use an item again instead of throwing it away. '''Example:''' Use a durable shopping bag repeatedly. ===== 4. Repair ===== Fix broken items when practical. '''Example:''' Repair a chair rather than immediately replacing it. ===== 5. Recycle ===== Process suitable materials into new products. '''Example:''' Recycle suitable paper, metal, glass, and plastics. ===== 6. Recover ===== Recover useful materials or energy from waste through appropriate processes. ===== 7. Dispose ===== Waste that cannot reasonably be reused, recycled, or recovered should be disposed of safely. '''The key lesson is: disposal should not be our first choice.''' ---- === 12. Why Proper Waste Management Matters === Proper waste management has many benefits. ==== Protects human health ==== Accumulated rubbish can attract flies, rats, and other pests. Poorly managed waste can also create opportunities for disease transmission. ==== Protects water ==== Waste dumped into waterways can contaminate rivers, lakes, and other sources of water. ==== Protects soil ==== Chemicals and other harmful substances can contaminate soil when waste is poorly disposed of. ==== Keeps communities clean ==== Clean streets, schools, homes, and public spaces are safer and more pleasant. ==== Saves resources ==== Recycling and reuse allow valuable materials to remain in use rather than constantly requiring new raw materials. ==== Reduces pollution ==== Sorting and treating waste properly can reduce pollution caused by dumping and inappropriate burning. ---- === 13. Waste Management at Home and School === Everyone can contribute to better waste management. ==== At home ==== * Keep rubbish in suitable containers. * Separate organic waste from recyclable materials where possible. * Compost suitable organic waste. * Reuse containers and bags. * Avoid unnecessary single-use products. * Keep hazardous materials separate. * Never dump rubbish in drainage channels or waterways. ==== At school ==== Schools can: * Provide clearly labelled waste bins. * Teach learners about waste separation. * Organise clean-up activities. * Encourage reusable water bottles. * Collect paper for recycling where facilities exist. * Compost suitable food and garden waste. * Ensure sharp or hazardous materials are handled safely. ---- === 14. A Simple Waste-Sorting Activity === Imagine that you have the following items: # Banana peel # Plastic water bottle # Newspaper # Broken battery # Glass bottle # Old mobile phone # Food leftovers # Used needle How should they be handled? * '''Banana peel →''' organic waste/compost * '''Plastic bottle →''' reuse or appropriate plastic recycling * '''Newspaper →''' reuse or paper recycling * '''Battery →''' special battery/e-waste collection * '''Glass bottle →''' reuse or glass recycling * '''Old mobile phone →''' e-waste collection/recycling * '''Food leftovers →''' composting where appropriate * '''Used needle →''' approved sharps/medical-waste disposal This demonstrates why '''sorting waste at the point where it is produced''' is so important. ---- === 15. Key Vocabulary === '''Waste:''' Material that is discarded because it is no longer wanted or needed. '''Biodegradable:''' Able to break down naturally through biological processes. '''Non-biodegradable:''' Not easily broken down naturally. '''Recycle:''' Process used materials so they can be made into new products. '''Reuse:''' Use an item again instead of discarding it. '''Compost:''' Decomposed organic material that can be used to improve soil. '''Hazardous waste:''' Waste that can pose a danger to people or the environment. '''E-waste:''' Discarded electrical and electronic equipment. === Short Story: Amina's Big Idea === Amina saw many plastic bottles around her school. She suggested collecting the bottles and using some of them to make flower containers. Her classmates helped her. Soon, the school had fewer bottles on the ground and more beautiful flowers. '''Lesson:''' Waste materials can sometimes be reused in useful ways. === Practical Activity === Collect safe reusable materials and make a useful object, such as a flowerpot, pencil holder or decoration. == Chapter 3: Water Is Life == === Introduction === Water is one of the most important resources on Earth. Every living thing needs water to survive. People, animals, and plants all depend on water for life and growth. We use water every day for drinking, cooking, bathing, washing clothes, cleaning, farming, and many other activities. Water is also important in industries, transport, energy production, and recreation. Because water is essential for life, we must use it wisely, protect it from pollution, and make sure that everyone has access to safe water. ---- === 1. What Is Water? === Water is a natural substance made up of hydrogen and oxygen. In its pure form, it has no colour, smell, or taste. Water exists in three main states: * '''Liquid''' – such as water in rivers, lakes, and oceans. * '''Solid''' – such as ice and snow. * '''Gas''' – water vapour found in the atmosphere. Water constantly moves between these states through the '''water cycle'''. ---- === 2. Sources of Water === Water comes from different natural sources. ==== A. Rainwater ==== Rain is an important source of fresh water. Rainwater fills rivers, lakes, wetlands, and reservoirs and also helps to replenish groundwater. People can collect rainwater from rooftops and store it in tanks for appropriate household or other uses. ==== B. Rivers and Streams ==== Rivers and streams provide water for domestic use, agriculture, livestock, industry, and ecosystems. However, water from rivers may contain microorganisms, chemicals, or other contaminants. It may therefore require appropriate treatment before it is safe to drink. ==== C. Lakes ==== Lakes contain large amounts of water and support people, plants, animals, and economic activities. Lakes can provide water for communities, fishing, agriculture, transport, and recreation. ==== D. Groundwater ==== Groundwater is water stored beneath the Earth's surface in soil and rock. It can be accessed through: * Wells * Boreholes * Springs Groundwater is an important source of drinking water in many communities. ==== E. Wetlands ==== Wetlands are areas where water covers or saturates the land for part or all of the year. They provide important environmental services, including storing water, supporting wildlife, and helping to filter pollutants. ---- === 3. Why Water Is Life === Water is essential for almost every activity that supports life. ==== A. Water for Drinking ==== The human body needs water to function properly. People lose water through activities such as breathing, sweating, and urination, so they need to replace it regularly. Safe drinking water is important for maintaining good health. ==== B. Water for Food Production ==== Farmers need water to grow crops and keep animals healthy. Water is used for: * Irrigation * Watering livestock * Cleaning agricultural equipment * Processing some agricultural products Without sufficient water, food production can be seriously affected. ==== C. Water for Plants ==== Plants need water for growth and survival. Water helps plants transport nutrients and supports photosynthesis. Without enough water, plants may wilt, stop growing, or die. ==== D. Water for Animals ==== Animals need water for drinking and other biological processes. Rivers, lakes, wetlands, and other water bodies also provide habitats for many animals. ==== E. Water for Hygiene and Sanitation ==== Water is essential for: * Washing hands * Bathing * Cleaning homes * Washing clothes * Cleaning utensils * Flushing toilets Good hygiene and sanitation help protect communities from disease. ==== F. Water in Industry ==== Industries use water for many purposes, including: * Manufacturing * Cooling machinery * Cleaning * Food processing * Producing certain goods Industries must manage water responsibly and prevent harmful substances from entering water sources. ---- === 4. The Water Cycle === Water does not simply disappear after it is used. It moves continuously through the environment in a process called the '''water cycle'''. The main stages include: ==== 1. Evaporation ==== Heat from the Sun causes water from oceans, lakes, rivers, and other surfaces to change into water vapour. ==== 2. Transpiration ==== Plants release water vapour into the atmosphere through tiny openings in their leaves. ==== 3. Condensation ==== Water vapour rises, cools, and forms tiny droplets that make clouds. ==== 4. Precipitation ==== When water droplets become sufficiently large, they fall to Earth as: * Rain * Snow * Sleet * Hail ==== 5. Collection and Infiltration ==== Water collects in rivers, lakes, oceans, and other water bodies. Some water also soaks into the ground and becomes groundwater. The cycle then continues. ---- === 5. Clean Water and Polluted Water === Not all water is safe to drink. '''Clean and safe water''' is water that does not contain harmful levels of microorganisms, chemicals, or other contaminants. '''Polluted water''' contains substances that can harm people, animals, plants, or ecosystems. Water pollution can come from many sources. === Examples include: === * Sewage * Plastic waste * Oil * Industrial chemicals * Agricultural chemicals * Animal waste * Household waste * Soil and sediment ---- === 6. Effects of Water Pollution === Water pollution can have serious consequences. ==== A. Human Health ==== Contaminated water can contribute to diseases and other health problems, particularly where sanitation and water treatment are inadequate. ==== B. Aquatic Life ==== Pollution can harm fish, insects, plants, amphibians, and other organisms living in water. ==== C. Food Production ==== Polluted water used for agriculture can affect crops, livestock, and food safety. ==== D. The Environment ==== Pollution can damage aquatic ecosystems and reduce the quality of habitats. ==== E. Economic Activities ==== Fishing, tourism, agriculture, and other activities can suffer when water resources become polluted. ---- === 7. How We Can Protect Water === Everyone has a role to play in protecting water resources. ==== At Home ==== * Do not throw rubbish into drains, rivers, or lakes. * Repair leaking taps and pipes. * Use only the water you need. * Avoid wasting water while washing. * Dispose of chemicals and oils appropriately. * Keep toilets and sanitation facilities clean. ==== At School ==== Students can: * Turn off taps after use. * Report leaking taps and pipes. * Keep school compounds free from litter. * Avoid throwing rubbish into drainage channels. * Participate in water-conservation activities. * Teach others about the importance of water. ==== In the Community ==== Communities can: * Protect wells, springs, rivers, and wetlands. * Prevent dumping near water sources. * Plant and protect vegetation where appropriate. * Maintain drainage and sanitation systems. * Encourage responsible water use. * Support safe water and sanitation projects. ---- === 8. Water Conservation === '''Water conservation''' means using water carefully and avoiding unnecessary waste. Simple actions can save large amounts of water. === Examples === Instead of leaving a tap running while brushing your teeth, turn it off when water is not needed. When washing clothes or dishes, use a reasonable amount of water rather than allowing water to run continuously. Leaking taps and pipes should be repaired because a small leak can waste water over time. Rainwater can also be collected and used for suitable purposes. ---- === 9. The Importance of Wetlands and Forests === Natural ecosystems help protect water resources. ==== Wetlands ==== Wetlands can store water, provide habitats, and help remove some pollutants from water. ==== Forests and Vegetation ==== Vegetation helps protect soil and can reduce erosion and surface runoff. Vegetated areas around water bodies can therefore contribute to the protection of water quality. Destroying wetlands and removing vegetation carelessly can increase environmental problems such as erosion, flooding, and water pollution. ---- === 10. Safe Drinking Water === Water intended for drinking should be obtained from a safe source and, where necessary, treated appropriately. Methods of treating water may include: * Boiling * Filtration * Chlorination * Other approved water-treatment methods The correct treatment method depends on the source and the contaminants that may be present. Water should also be stored safely in clean, covered containers to reduce the chance of contamination. ---- === 11. Water and Our Future === Fresh water is limited and unevenly distributed. Some communities have reliable access to safe water, while others face shortages or difficulties accessing clean water. Population growth, pollution, climate variability, changing land use, and increasing demand can place pressure on water resources. Protecting water today helps ensure that future generations can also benefit from this essential resource. ---- === 12. Practical Activity: Saving Water === ==== Activity ==== For one day, observe how water is used at home or school. Make a list of activities such as: * Drinking * Cooking * Bathing * Washing hands * Washing clothes * Cleaning * Watering plants Then identify activities where water may be wasted. ==== Questions ==== # Which activity uses the most water? # Where is water being wasted? # How could the waste be reduced? # What can you do personally to save water? Discuss your answers with your classmates or family members. ---- === 13. Key Vocabulary === '''Water:''' A natural substance essential for life. '''Water cycle:''' The continuous movement of water through the environment. '''Evaporation:''' The change of liquid water into water vapour. '''Condensation:''' The change of water vapour into liquid droplets. '''Precipitation:''' Water falling from clouds as rain, snow, sleet, or hail. '''Groundwater:''' Water stored beneath the Earth's surface. '''Water pollution:''' The contamination of water by harmful substances. '''Water conservation:''' The careful and responsible use of water. '''Wetland:''' Land that is covered or saturated with water for part or all of the year. '''Sanitation:''' Systems and practices for safely managing human waste and maintaining hygiene. ---- === 14. Summary === Water is essential for '''people, animals, plants, agriculture, sanitation, industry, and ecosystems'''. It comes from sources such as rain, rivers, lakes, groundwater, and wetlands. Water moves continuously through the '''water cycle''', but clean and accessible freshwater is a valuable resource that must be protected. Pollution, waste, careless use, and damage to natural ecosystems can threaten water resources. We can help by '''saving water, preventing pollution, protecting water sources, practising good sanitation, and using water responsibly'''. The most important lesson is simple:<blockquote>'''Water is life. Protect every drop.'''</blockquote> ==== Short Story: The Dirty Stream ==== Children in a village noticed that their stream was becoming dirty. Some people were throwing rubbish into it. The children spoke to their teacher and community leaders. Together, they organised a clean-up and encouraged people to stop dumping rubbish in the stream. '''Lesson:''' Protecting water requires teamwork and responsible behavior. ==== Water-Protection Challenge ==== For one week: * Close taps properly after use. * Use only the water you need. * Keep water containers clean. * Encourage others not to pollute water sources. == Chapter 4: Trees == === Introduction === Trees are among the most useful living things on Earth. They grow in forests, gardens, farms, school compounds, along roads, and around our homes. Trees provide food, shelter, shade, materials, and many other benefits. Trees also help protect the environment. They absorb carbon dioxide from the atmosphere, release oxygen through photosynthesis, help protect soil from erosion, and provide habitats for many animals. For these reasons, trees can truly be described as '''our friends'''. However, trees need care and protection so that they can continue benefiting people and the environment. ---- === 1. What Is a Tree? === A tree is a large plant with a woody stem or trunk, branches, leaves, and roots. The main parts of a tree include: * '''Roots''' – anchor the tree in the soil and absorb water and minerals. * '''Trunk''' – supports the tree and transports water and nutrients. * '''Branches''' – hold the leaves, flowers, and fruits. * '''Leaves''' – make food for the tree through photosynthesis. * '''Flowers''' – help many trees reproduce. * '''Fruits and seeds''' – help produce new trees. Trees vary greatly in size, shape, and appearance. ---- === 2. Trees Give Us Oxygen === Trees and other green plants carry out '''photosynthesis'''. During photosynthesis, plants use: * Sunlight * Water * Carbon dioxide to produce food, while releasing oxygen into the atmosphere. Oxygen is needed by humans and many animals for respiration. Trees therefore play an important role in maintaining the gases that support life. ---- === 3. Trees Give Us Food === Many trees provide food for people and animals. Examples include: * Mango trees * Avocado trees * Orange trees * Jackfruit trees * Banana plants * Coconut palms Trees can provide fruits, nuts, seeds, leaves, and other edible products. Animals also depend on trees for food. ---- === 4. Trees Provide Shade === Trees provide shade from strong sunlight. People can sit under trees to rest, study, talk, or relax. Trees around homes, schools, parks, and public spaces can make these places more comfortable. Shade from trees can also help reduce the amount of direct sunlight reaching buildings and the ground. ---- === 5. Trees Provide Homes for Animals === Trees are important habitats for many living organisms. Birds may build nests in branches. Insects may live on leaves and bark. Monkeys, squirrels, reptiles, and other animals may use trees for shelter, food, or movement. A large tree can therefore support many different forms of life. When trees are destroyed, animals can lose their homes and sources of food. ---- === 6. Trees Protect the Soil === Tree roots hold soil together. When heavy rain falls on bare soil, it can wash soil away. This process is called '''soil erosion'''. Trees can help reduce erosion because: * Their roots hold soil together. * Their leaves and branches reduce the force of falling rain. * Fallen leaves cover the soil. * Tree-covered land can slow surface runoff. Protecting trees is therefore one way of helping to protect soil. ---- === 7. Trees Help Protect Water === Trees and other vegetation play an important role in the water cycle. Their roots help water enter and move through the soil. Vegetation can also reduce soil erosion and the amount of sediment carried into rivers and lakes. Trees growing near water bodies can therefore contribute to the protection of water resources. ---- === 8. Trees Help Fight Climate Change === Trees absorb '''carbon dioxide''', a greenhouse gas, as they grow. Through photosynthesis, trees use carbon dioxide to make food. Some of the carbon becomes stored in the tree's wood, roots, and other parts. Forests and other ecosystems therefore store significant amounts of carbon. Protecting existing forests and planting appropriate trees can contribute to efforts to address climate change, although trees are only one part of the solution. ---- === 9. Trees Provide Materials === Trees provide materials that people use in everyday life. Wood can be used to make: * Furniture * Doors * Houses * Poles * Tools * Paper products Some trees also provide materials such as: * Rubber * Cork * Resins * Fibres * Oils These materials support many livelihoods and industries. However, trees should be harvested responsibly, and forests should be managed sustainably. ---- === 10. Trees Provide Medicine === Some trees contain substances that have been used traditionally or scientifically in medicines and other health-related products. Examples of trees associated with traditional or medicinal uses include: * Neem * Eucalyptus * Cinchona * Some species of acacia Medicinal plants should be used carefully. Traditional knowledge does not automatically mean that a plant is safe or effective for every medical condition. ---- === 11. Trees Improve the Environment === Trees contribute to healthier surroundings in several ways. They can: * Provide habitats for wildlife. * Help reduce soil erosion. * Store carbon. * Provide shade. * Improve the appearance of landscapes. * Reduce wind speeds in some areas. * Contribute to cleaner and cooler local environments. Trees in towns and cities can be especially valuable because they provide shade and green spaces among buildings and roads. ---- === 12. Trees and the Air We Breathe === Trees interact with the atmosphere in important ways. Their leaves absorb carbon dioxide during photosynthesis and release oxygen. Trees can also trap some airborne particles on their leaves. However, trees do not remove all air pollution, and planting the right species in appropriate locations is important. ---- === 13. Why People Cut Down Trees === People cut down trees for different reasons. These include: * Getting firewood * Producing charcoal * Obtaining timber * Clearing land for farming * Building houses and roads * Producing paper and other products Some tree harvesting is necessary for human needs. The problem arises when trees are removed '''faster than they can naturally or deliberately be replaced'''. This can lead to '''deforestation'''. ---- === 14. Effects of Deforestation === '''Deforestation''' is the large-scale removal of forests or trees from an area. Deforestation can result in: * Loss of wildlife habitats * Increased soil erosion * Loss of biodiversity * Reduced carbon storage * Changes in local water cycles * Loss of valuable forest resources When forests are cleared without proper management, the environmental and social consequences can be serious. ---- === 15. How We Can Protect Trees === Everyone can help protect trees. ==== At Home ==== * Plant suitable trees. * Avoid unnecessary cutting of trees. * Use wood and paper responsibly. * Protect young trees from damage. * Compost suitable organic waste and return nutrients to the soil where appropriate. ==== At School ==== Students can: * Plant and care for trees. * Avoid damaging tree trunks and branches. * Keep school gardens clean. * Water young trees when necessary. * Learn about local tree species. * Organise tree-care activities. ==== In the Community ==== Communities can: * Protect forests and woodlands. * Plant appropriate native or well-adapted species. * Prevent uncontrolled cutting. * Encourage sustainable forestry. * Protect trees along rivers and other sensitive areas. * Educate people about the value of trees. ---- === 16. Planting a Tree === Planting a tree is useful, but simply putting a seedling in the ground is not enough. The tree must be cared for. ==== Basic steps ==== # '''Choose a suitable species''' for the local environment. # '''Choose an appropriate location''' with enough space for the mature tree. # '''Prepare the soil''' and dig a suitable planting hole. # '''Plant the seedling carefully.''' # '''Water it when necessary''', especially during dry periods. # '''Protect it from animals and damage.''' # '''Remove competing weeds when appropriate.''' # '''Continue caring for the tree as it grows.''' A healthy mature tree may take many years to develop, so tree planting requires patience. ---- === 17. Trees and Responsibility === Trees belong to a wider ecosystem. When we care for them, we are also helping many other organisms. We should remember:<blockquote>'''Plant a tree, care for a tree, and protect a tree.'''</blockquote>Planting trees is important, but '''protecting existing mature trees is also very valuable''' because mature trees already provide established habitat, shade, and carbon storage. ---- === 18. Practical Activity: Adopt a Tree === Choose a tree at your school or home. Observe it regularly and record: * Its height or approximate size * The shape of its leaves * Whether it has flowers or fruits * Animals or insects found on it * Changes you observe over several weeks Give the tree a name if you wish and create a simple care schedule. === Questions === # What type of tree did you observe? # What benefits does it provide? # Which animals use it? # How can you protect it? # What changes did you observe over time? ---- === 19. Key Vocabulary === '''Tree:''' A large woody plant with a trunk, branches, leaves, and roots. '''Photosynthesis:''' The process by which green plants use sunlight, water, and carbon dioxide to make food and release oxygen. '''Habitat:''' The natural home or environment of a plant or animal. '''Deforestation:''' The large-scale removal of forests or trees. '''Soil erosion:''' The removal of soil by agents such as water or wind. '''Biodiversity:''' The variety of living organisms in an area or on Earth. '''Forest:''' A large area dominated by trees and associated plants and animals. '''Sustainable:''' Using resources in a way that allows them to remain available for the future. '''Carbon dioxide:''' A gas in the atmosphere that plants use during photosynthesis and that also contributes to the greenhouse effect. ---- === 20. Summary === Trees are essential parts of our environment. They provide '''food, shade, oxygen, habitats, materials, and protection for soil and water'''. They also absorb carbon dioxide and store carbon. However, uncontrolled cutting and destruction of forests can cause deforestation, habitat loss, soil erosion, and other environmental problems. We can protect trees by '''planting appropriate trees, caring for young trees, reducing unnecessary tree cutting, using forest products responsibly, and protecting natural forests'''. Trees are more than sources of wood and fruit. They are living parts of ecosystems that support people, animals, and the environment.. === Activity === Plant or care for a tree or flower at home or school. Observe it regularly and record how it changes. == Chapter 5: Plastic Pollution == === Introduction === Plastic is one of the most widely used materials in the modern world. We find plastic in bottles, bags, food packaging, toys, containers, clothes, electronics, and many other products. Plastic is useful because it is light, strong, waterproof, and relatively inexpensive. However, when plastic is used carelessly and discarded improperly, it can become a serious environmental problem. '''Plastic pollution''' occurs when plastic waste accumulates in places where it can harm people, animals, and the environment. The good news is that everyone can help reduce plastic pollution by making responsible choices about how we use, reuse, collect, and dispose of plastic. ---- === 1. What Is Plastic? === Plastic is a group of materials made mainly from polymers. Many plastics are produced from fossil-fuel-based raw materials, although some newer plastics are made partly or entirely from other sources. Plastic can be manufactured into many different shapes and forms. Examples include: * Plastic bags * Bottles * Food containers * Packaging * Pipes * Toys * Furniture * Household equipment Because plastic can be made into so many useful products, it has become an important material in everyday life. ---- === 2. What Is Plastic Pollution? === '''Plastic pollution''' is the accumulation or presence of plastic waste in the environment in ways that cause harm or create environmental problems. Plastic waste can be found: * On streets * In drainage channels * In gardens * On beaches * In rivers and lakes * In wetlands * In forests * In agricultural areas * In oceans Plastic that is thrown on the ground can be carried by wind or rain into drainage systems and waterways. ---- === 3. Common Sources of Plastic Waste === Plastic waste comes from many activities. ==== At Home ==== Households may produce plastic waste from: * Shopping bags * Food packaging * Bottles * Containers * Wrappers * Disposable utensils ==== At School ==== Schools may produce plastic waste from: * Water bottles * Snack wrappers * Packaging * Plastic stationery * Disposable food containers ==== In Businesses ==== Shops, restaurants, markets, and industries may generate large amounts of plastic packaging and other plastic waste. ==== In Agriculture ==== Some agricultural activities use plastic materials such as containers, packaging, irrigation components, and other products. ---- === 4. Why Does Plastic Become a Problem? === Plastic itself can be useful. The problem often occurs when it is '''used unnecessarily, discarded carelessly, or poorly managed'''. Plastic can persist in the environment for long periods. Larger plastic items can break into smaller pieces called '''microplastics''' rather than simply disappearing. When plastic waste is not collected or managed properly, it can spread through the environment. ---- === 5. Plastic Pollution and Water === Plastic waste can enter rivers, lakes, wetlands, and oceans. It may be carried into waterways by: * Rain * Floodwater * Wind * Poorly managed rubbish * Drainage systems Once plastic enters water, it can interfere with aquatic ecosystems and make waterways dirty. Plastic waste can also block drains and contribute to flooding when drainage systems become obstructed. ---- === 6. Plastic Pollution and Animals === Animals can be harmed by plastic pollution. Some animals may mistake plastic for food and swallow it. This can cause injury, illness, or blockage of the digestive system. Animals can also become trapped or entangled in plastic materials such as bags, strings, fishing lines, and other discarded objects. Keeping plastic waste out of natural habitats helps protect wildlife. ---- === 7. Microplastics === '''Microplastics''' are very small pieces of plastic, generally less than 5 millimetres in size. They can be produced when larger plastic items break down into smaller pieces. Some microplastics also come directly from products or industrial processes. Because they are so small, microplastics can be difficult to remove from the environment. They have been detected in many environmental settings, including water, soil, air, and living organisms. Scientists continue to study their effects on ecosystems and human health. ---- === 8. Plastic Pollution and Soil === Plastic waste can accumulate on land and become mixed with soil. This can: * Make land unattractive and difficult to manage. * Interfere with farming activities. * Harm animals that live in or feed from the soil. * Break down into smaller plastic particles. * Carry pollutants into the wider environment. Farmers and communities can help by preventing plastic waste from being dumped on agricultural land. ---- === 9. Burning Plastic === Some people burn plastic waste because they want to get rid of it quickly. However, '''burning plastic in open fires is not a safe waste-management method'''. Depending on the type of plastic and how it burns, smoke can contain harmful pollutants and fine particles. Instead of burning plastic, it is better to: * Reduce unnecessary plastic use. * Reuse suitable items. * Separate recyclable materials. * Use appropriate waste-collection services. * Dispose of residual waste through approved systems. ---- === 10. Plastic Recycling === '''Recycling''' involves collecting and processing used materials so that they can become inputs for new products. Some types of plastic can be recycled. However, not every plastic item is accepted by every recycling system. Recycling facilities may differ in the types of plastics they can process. Therefore, people should follow the sorting instructions provided by their local waste-management or recycling service. ---- === 11. Reuse Before Recycling === Recycling is useful, but '''reuse can sometimes be even simpler'''. For example, a durable container can be used repeatedly instead of being thrown away after one use. Reusable alternatives may include: * Shopping bags * Water bottles * Food containers * Cups * Lunch boxes The best option depends on the product and how it is used. The important principle is to avoid unnecessary waste. ---- === 12. How Can We Reduce Plastic Pollution? === Everyone can take practical steps. ==== A. Refuse Unnecessary Plastic ==== If you do not need a disposable plastic item, avoid taking it. ==== B. Reduce Plastic Use ==== Choose products with less unnecessary packaging when practical. ==== C. Reuse ==== Use suitable durable products more than once. ==== D. Recycle ==== Separate recyclable plastic according to local collection requirements. ==== E. Dispose Properly ==== Put plastic waste into the correct waste container rather than throwing it on the ground. ==== F. Keep Waterways Clean ==== Never throw plastic into rivers, lakes, wetlands, drainage channels, or other water bodies. ---- === 13. Plastic Pollution at School === Students can help reduce plastic pollution at school. They can: * Carry reusable water bottles. * Avoid unnecessary disposable packaging. * Use rubbish bins correctly. * Separate recyclable waste where a recycling system exists. * Participate in clean-up activities. * Encourage classmates not to litter. * Report overflowing rubbish bins to teachers or school administrators. A clean school environment begins with responsible everyday habits. ---- === 14. Plastic Pollution in the Community === Communities can work together to reduce plastic pollution. Useful actions include: * Organising clean-up activities. * Providing appropriate rubbish bins. * Supporting waste collection. * Encouraging reusable shopping bags. * Educating residents about waste separation. * Preventing dumping in drainage channels. * Supporting responsible recycling initiatives. Businesses can also help by reducing unnecessary packaging and improving the collection and management of plastic waste. ---- === 15. The Plastic Pollution Solution === There is no single solution to plastic pollution. A successful approach involves several actions: '''Prevent → Reduce → Reuse → Recycle → Dispose safely''' This means we should think about waste '''before''' we create it. For example:<blockquote>Instead of buying a disposable plastic bottle every day, a person may carry a suitable reusable bottle and refill it with safe drinking water.</blockquote>Small changes repeated by many people can make a significant difference. ---- === 16. Practical Activity: Plastic Audit === ==== Activity ==== For one day, collect or record the plastic waste produced by your household or class. Group the items into categories such as: * Bottles * Bags * Wrappers * Containers * Other plastic items Then discuss: # Which type of plastic waste was most common? # Which items could have been avoided? # Which items could be reused? # Which items could potentially be recycled? # How could your household or class produce less plastic waste? Create a '''“Plastic Reduction Plan”''' with three actions that your class can follow for one month. ---- === 17. Key Vocabulary === '''Plastic:''' A group of synthetic or semi-synthetic materials made mainly from polymers. '''Plastic pollution:''' The accumulation or presence of plastic waste in the environment in ways that cause harm or environmental problems. '''Microplastic:''' A very small plastic particle, generally less than 5 millimetres in size. '''Recycle:''' To process used materials so they can be used to make new products. '''Reuse:''' To use an item again instead of throwing it away. '''Litter:''' Waste that has been carelessly discarded in the environment. '''Waste management:''' The collection, sorting, treatment, recovery, and safe disposal of waste. '''Biodegradable:''' Able to break down naturally through biological processes. ---- === 18. Questions for Discussion === # What is plastic pollution? # Give five examples of plastic items used in your community. # How can plastic enter rivers and lakes? # How can plastic harm animals? # What are microplastics? # Why is burning plastic in open fires a problem? # What is the difference between reusing and recycling? # How can students reduce plastic waste at school? # Why should plastic not be thrown into drainage channels? # What three actions can your community take to reduce plastic pollution? ---- === 19. Summary === Plastic is a useful material, but poor management of plastic waste can cause pollution on land and in water. Plastic waste can block drainage systems, damage habitats, harm animals, and break down into microplastics. Burning plastic in open fires can also release harmful pollutants. We can reduce plastic pollution by following the principles of: '''Refuse → Reduce → Reuse → Recycle → Dispose safely''' Everyone has a role to play. At home, at school, in markets, and throughout our communities, responsible choices can help keep our environment clean.<blockquote>'''Use plastic wisely, keep it out of nature, and give every piece of waste the right place.'''</blockquote> == Chapter 6: Our Changing World == === Introduction === The Earth is our home. It provides us with air to breathe, water to drink, food to eat, and land on which we live and work. The Earth's climate also affects plants, animals, agriculture, and human activities. Today, the Earth's climate is changing. '''Climate change''' refers to long-term changes in the average conditions of the Earth's climate, including changes in temperature, rainfall, and weather patterns. Climate has changed naturally throughout Earth's history. However, human activities have caused a significant increase in greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, contributing to the current warming of the planet. Understanding climate change helps us make informed choices about how to protect people, communities, and the natural environment. ---- === 1. What Is Climate? === '''Climate''' is the usual pattern of weather in a particular place over a long period. Climate includes things such as: * Temperature * Rainfall * Humidity * Wind * Seasons For example, one rainy day tells us about '''weather''', while the typical pattern of rainfall over many years tells us about '''climate'''. === Weather and Climate === '''Weather:''' What the atmosphere is like over a short period. '''Climate:''' The long-term pattern of atmospheric conditions. A simple way to remember this is:<blockquote>'''Weather is what we experience today; climate is the pattern we observe over many years.'''</blockquote> ---- === 2. What Is Climate Change? === '''Climate change''' is a long-term change in the Earth's climate. It can involve changes in: * Average temperatures * Rainfall patterns * The frequency or intensity of some extreme weather events * Sea levels * Glaciers and ice * Oceans and ecosystems Climate change is not simply about the Earth becoming warmer every day. Different regions can experience different changes. ---- === 3. The Greenhouse Effect === The Earth's atmosphere contains gases called '''greenhouse gases'''. Important greenhouse gases include: * Carbon dioxide * Methane * Nitrous oxide * Water vapour These gases help keep the Earth warm enough for life. This natural process is called the '''greenhouse effect'''. Without the natural greenhouse effect, Earth would be much colder. The problem is that human activities have increased the concentrations of several greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. This strengthens the greenhouse effect and causes additional warming. ---- === 4. Causes of Modern Climate Change === Human activities are the main cause of the recent long-term warming of the Earth's climate. Major sources of greenhouse gas emissions include: ==== A. Burning Fossil Fuels ==== Coal, oil, and natural gas are burned to produce energy for: * Electricity * Transport * Industry * Heating and cooking Burning fossil fuels releases carbon dioxide. ==== B. Deforestation ==== Trees absorb carbon dioxide as they grow. When forests are destroyed, this carbon-storage capacity is reduced, and carbon can also be released into the atmosphere. ==== C. Agriculture ==== Agriculture can produce greenhouse gases such as methane and nitrous oxide. Sources include: * Livestock * Rice cultivation * Fertiliser use * Management of agricultural soils ==== D. Industry ==== Some industrial processes release greenhouse gases directly or use large amounts of fossil-fuel energy. ==== E. Waste ==== Poorly managed waste can produce greenhouse gases. For example, organic waste decomposing without enough oxygen in landfills can generate methane. ---- === 5. Signs of a Changing Climate === Scientists use observations from many parts of the world to study climate change. Evidence includes: * Rising global average temperatures * Warming oceans * Melting glaciers and ice sheets * Rising sea levels * Changes in some ecosystems * Changes in the timing or distribution of some biological events These changes occur over long periods, so scientists use measurements collected over many years. ---- === 6. Climate Change and Water === Climate change can affect water resources. Changes in temperature and rainfall can influence: * Rivers * Lakes * Groundwater * Soil moisture * Water availability Some areas may experience heavier rainfall or flooding, while others may experience longer or more severe dry periods. Changes in water availability can affect households, agriculture, animals, and ecosystems. ---- === 7. Climate Change and Agriculture === Agriculture depends heavily on climate. Farmers need suitable: * Rainfall * Temperatures * Soil conditions * Growing seasons Climate change can make farming more difficult when rainfall becomes less predictable or temperatures become unsuitable for certain crops. Farmers can respond through '''adaptation''', such as: * Planting drought-tolerant crops where appropriate * Improving water management * Using soil-conservation methods * Adjusting planting dates * Diversifying crops and livelihoods The best adaptation measures depend on local conditions. ---- === 8. Climate Change and Animals === Animals depend on suitable habitats, food, water, and temperatures. As climate conditions change, some species may: * Move to new areas * Change feeding or breeding patterns * Face greater pressure from habitat changes * Become more vulnerable to disease or other environmental stresses Species that cannot adapt or move quickly enough may face increased risks. Protecting natural habitats can help wildlife cope with environmental changes. ---- === 9. Climate Change and Forests === Forests are important in the fight against climate change. Trees remove carbon dioxide from the atmosphere and store carbon in their: * Trunks * Branches * Leaves * Roots * Soil Forests also provide habitats, protect soil, support water systems, and provide resources for communities. Protecting forests and managing them sustainably can therefore provide both environmental and social benefits. ---- === 10. Climate Change and Human Health === Climate change can affect human health in several ways. For example, changes in temperature can increase heat-related risks. Flooding can damage homes and sanitation systems, while drought can affect food and water supplies. Climate change can also influence the conditions under which some disease-carrying organisms survive and spread. The effects are not the same everywhere. Local conditions, healthcare systems, infrastructure, and people's ability to adapt all matter. ---- === 11. Climate Change and Extreme Weather === Climate change does not cause every individual weather event. However, warming can influence the likelihood or intensity of '''some''' extreme events. Examples include: * Heatwaves * Heavy rainfall * Flooding * Droughts The relationship differs between types of events and locations, so scientists study individual events and regions carefully. ---- === 12. What Is Climate Change Adaptation? === '''Adaptation''' means adjusting to actual or expected climate changes in order to reduce harm or take advantage of possible opportunities. Examples include: * Building stronger drainage systems. * Protecting wetlands. * Improving water storage. * Growing crops suited to changing conditions. * Planting trees for shade. * Developing early-warning systems for dangerous weather. * Improving building designs. Adaptation helps communities prepare for changes that are already occurring or expected. ---- === 13. What Is Climate Change Mitigation? === '''Mitigation''' means reducing greenhouse gas emissions or increasing the amount of greenhouse gases removed from the atmosphere. Examples include: * Using renewable energy such as solar and wind power. * Improving energy efficiency. * Using public transport where practical. * Walking or cycling for suitable journeys. * Protecting and restoring forests. * Reducing unnecessary waste. * Improving waste management. * Developing lower-emission technologies. Mitigation addresses the causes of climate change, while adaptation focuses on reducing the harm caused by its effects. ---- === 14. What Can Students Do? === Students may not control large industries or national policies, but their everyday actions can contribute to environmental protection. ==== At School ==== Students can: * Switch off unnecessary lights and electrical equipment. * Avoid wasting paper. * Walk or cycle where it is safe and practical. * Use reusable items where appropriate. * Plant and care for trees. * Prevent littering. * Protect school gardens and green spaces. ==== At Home ==== Families can: * Use energy efficiently. * Reduce unnecessary waste. * Reuse suitable items. * Avoid unnecessary burning of waste. * Save water. * Plant and care for appropriate trees. * Choose lower-waste options where practical. Individual actions are useful, but addressing climate change also requires action by communities, businesses, governments, and other institutions. ---- === 15. Climate Change and Our Community === Communities can work together to become more resilient. Useful activities include: * Protecting forests and wetlands. * Improving drainage. * Maintaining clean water sources. * Planting appropriate trees. * Using sustainable farming practices. * Preparing emergency plans. * Sharing information about climate risks. * Supporting reliable weather and early-warning information. Local knowledge is also valuable. People who have lived in an area for many years may notice changes in rainfall, seasons, water availability, or farming conditions. Combining local knowledge with scientific information can help communities plan effectively. ---- === 16. A Greener Future === A changing climate presents challenges, but people can take action. A greener future can involve: * Clean and efficient energy * Sustainable agriculture * Protected forests * Healthy wetlands * Less waste * Cleaner transport * Efficient use of water * Climate-resilient communities Young people have an important role because today's decisions will affect the world they live in throughout their lives. ---- === 17. Practical Activity: Observe Your Environment === ==== Activity ==== Keep a simple weather diary for two weeks. Each day, record: * Temperature if a thermometer is available * Whether it rained * Approximate amount of rainfall if measurable * Cloud conditions * Wind conditions * Any unusual weather observations At the end of two weeks, discuss: # Which days were rainy? # Which days were dry? # Did the weather change from day to day? # Can two weeks of observations tell us the long-term climate of your area? Why or why not? # Why do scientists need measurements collected over many years to study climate? This activity helps students understand the difference between '''weather''' and '''climate'''. ---- === 18. Key Vocabulary === '''Climate:''' The long-term pattern of weather conditions in a particular area. '''Climate change:''' Long-term changes in the Earth's climate. '''Greenhouse gas:''' A gas that absorbs and re-emits infrared radiation, contributing to the greenhouse effect. '''Greenhouse effect:''' The natural process by which certain atmospheric gases help keep Earth warm. '''Global warming:''' The long-term increase in Earth's average surface temperature. '''Deforestation:''' The large-scale removal of forests or trees. '''Mitigation:''' Actions that reduce greenhouse gas emissions or increase greenhouse gas removal. '''Adaptation:''' Adjustments that help people and ecosystems cope with actual or expected climate changes. '''Renewable energy:''' Energy from sources that are naturally replenished, such as sunlight, wind, and flowing water. '''Resilience:''' The ability of people, communities, or ecosystems to prepare for, cope with, and recover from difficulties. ---- === 19. Questions for Discussion === # What is climate? # What is the difference between weather and climate? # What is climate change? # What is the greenhouse effect? # Name four human activities that contribute to greenhouse gas emissions. # How can climate change affect agriculture? # How can climate change affect water resources? # What is the difference between adaptation and mitigation? # How can forests help address climate change? # What can students do to help protect the environment? # Why is it important to collect climate information over many years? # How can your community prepare for climate-related risks? ---- === 20. Summary === Climate is the long-term pattern of weather in a place. '''Climate change''' refers to long-term changes in climate, including changes in temperature and rainfall patterns. The Earth's climate has changed naturally in the past, but human activities—particularly the burning of fossil fuels and changes in land use—have increased greenhouse gas concentrations and caused significant recent warming. Climate change can affect '''water, agriculture, forests, wildlife, human health, and communities'''. People can respond through two important approaches: * '''Mitigation:''' reducing the causes of climate change. * '''Adaptation:''' preparing for and adjusting to its effects. Everyone has a role to play in caring for our planet.<blockquote>'''Our world is changing, and our choices today can help shape the world of tomorrow.'''</blockquote> = References = 262zluvyemi0vg3xjg5c503l0iyq6i0 4671760 4671755 2026-09-22T11:55:20Z Sisterian 3123918 Sisterian moved page [[A Young Reader's Guide to a Healthy Environment]] to [[User:A Young Reader's Guide to a Healthy Environment]]: editing 4670700 wikitext text/x-wiki == '''<big>A Young Reader's Guide to a Clean and Healthy Environment.</big>''' == == '''Book Summary:''' == A Young Reader’s Guide to a Clean and Healthy Community is an educational book for Primary 4–6 learners that teaches children how to care for their homes, schools and communities. The book begins by helping children understand what a community is and why everyone has a responsibility to care for it. It then introduces proper waste management, protection of water sources, the importance of trees, teamwork and children's leadership. Through simple explanations, stories, activities and discussion questions, learners are encouraged to move from simply learning about environmental problems to taking positive action. === Expected Outcome === The book will encourage children to practice good hygiene, protect the environment, work together and take responsibility for creating cleaner, safer and healthier communities. === Conclusion === The book will remind young readers that everyone has a role to play in protecting the environment and that '''small actions can make a big difference'''. == '''Introduction:''' == Our environment is our home. We live, learn, play and grow in it. Keeping it clean and healthy helps us stay safe and happy. This book teaches young readers simple ways to care for their homes, schools and communities. Through short stories, activities and questions, children will learn about rubbish, clean water, trees, teamwork and responsibility. Remember, '''small actions can make a big difference!''' == Chapter 1: Our Community, Our Responsibility == === Understanding a community === While we traditionally think of a community as the people in a given geographical location, the word can really refer to any group sharing something in common -- '''place''' (such as a city, neighborhood, or school district), '''experience''' (such as shared experience of racism), or '''interest''' (e.g., a community's concern about poverty or violence prevention). These various communities often overlap. A Black art teacher, for example, might see herself (or be seen by others) as a member of the Black, arts, and/or education communities, as well as of a particular faith community. Whichever community defines your work, you will want to get to know it well. Examples of communities include homes, schools, villages and neighborhoods. People in a community share places and resources. They should help one another and work together to solve problems.<ref>{{Cite web |title=Community shared resources: Connecting the Dots: The Impact of Shared Resources in Local Communities |url=https://fastercapital.com/content/Community-shared-resources--Connecting-the-Dots--The-Impact-of-Shared-Resources-in-Local-Communities.html |access-date=2026-09-14 |website=FasterCapital |language=en}}</ref> === What do we mean by understanding and describing the community? === Understanding the community entails understanding it in a number of ways. Whether or not the community is defined geographically, it still has a geographic context -- a setting that it exists in. Getting a clear sense of this setting may be key to a full understanding of it. At the same time, it's important to understand the specific community you're concerned with. You have to get to know its people -- their culture, their concerns, and relationships -- and to develop your own relationships with them as well. * ''Physical aspects''. Every community has a physical presence of some sort, even if only one building. Most have a geographic area or areas they are either defined by or attached to. It's important to know the community's size and the look and feel of its buildings, its topography (the lay of the land -- the hills, valleys, rivers, roads, and other features you'd find on a map), and each of its neighborhoods. Also important are how various areas of the community differ from one another, and whether your impression is one of clean, well-maintained houses and streets, or one of shabbiness, dirt, and neglect. If the community is one defined by its population, then its physical properties are also defined by the population: where they live, where they gather, the places that are important to them. The characteristics of those places can tell you a great deal about the people who make up the community. Their self-image, many of their attitudes, and their aspirations are often reflected in the places where they choose -- or are forced by circumstance or discrimination -- to live, work, gather, and play. * ''Infrastructure''. Roads, bridges, transportation (local public transportation, airports, train lines), electricity, landline and mobile telephone service, broadband service, and similar "basics" make up the infrastructure of the community, without which it couldn't function. * ''Patterns of settlement, commerce, and industry''. Where are those physical spaces we've been discussing? Communities reveal their character by where and how they create living and working spaces. Where there are areas with severely inadequate housing and limited services --  substandard housing in areas with few or no services that are the only options for people with lower incomes -- the value the larger community places on those residents seems clear. Are heavy industries located next to residential neighborhoods? If so, who lives in those neighborhoods? Are some parts of the community dangerous, either because of high crime and violence or because of unsafe conditions in the built or natural environment? * ''Demographics''.  It's vital to understand who makes up the community.  Age, gender, race and ethnicity, marital status, education, number of people in household, first language -- these and other statistics make up the demographic profile of the population. When you put them together (e.g.,  the education level of black women ages 18-24), it gives you a clear picture of who community residents are. * ''History''. The long-term history of the community can tell you about community traditions, what the community is, or has been, proud of, and what residents would prefer not to talk about. Recent history can afford valuable information about conflicts and factions within the community, important issues, past and current relationships among key people and groups -- many of the factors that can trip up any effort before it starts if you don't know about and address them. * ''Community leaders, formal and informal''. Some community leaders are elected or appointed -- mayors, city councilors, directors of public works. Others are considered leaders because of their activities or their positions in the community -- community activists, corporate CEO's, college presidents, doctors, clergy.  Still others are recognized as leaders because, they are trusted for their proven integrity, courage, and/or care for others and the good of the community. * ''Community culture, formal and informal''. This covers the spoken and unspoken rules and traditions by which the community lives. It can include everything from community events and slogans -- the blessing of the fishing fleet, the "Artichoke Capital of the World" -- to norms of behavior -- turning a blind eye to alcohol use disorder or domestic violence -- to patterns of discrimination and exercise of power. Understanding the culture and how it developed can be crucial, especially if that's what you're attempting to change. * ''Existing groups''.  Most communities have an array of groups and organizations of different kinds -- service clubs (Lions, Rotary, etc.), faith groups, youth organizations, sports teams and clubs, groups formed around shared interests, the boards of community-wide organizations (the YMCA, the Rotary Club), as well as groups devoted to self-help, advocacy, and activism.  Knowing of the existence and importance of each of these groups can pave the way for alliances or for understanding opposition. * ''Existing institutions''. Every community has institutions that are important to it, and that have more or less credibility with residents. Colleges and universities, libraries, religious institutions, hospitals -- all of these and many others can occupy important places in the community. It's important to know what they are, who represents them, and what influence they wield. * ''Economics''.  Who are the major employers in the community?  What, if any, business or industry is the community's base? Who, if anyone, exercises economic power? How is wealth distributed? Would you characterize the community as poor, working, class, middle class, or affluent?  What are the economic prospects of the population in general and/or the population you're concerned with? * ''Government/Politics''. Understanding the structure of community government is obviously important. Some communities may have strong mayors and weak city councils, others the opposite. Still other communities may have no mayor at all, but only a town manager, or may have a different form of government entirely.  Whatever the government structure, where does political power lie? Understanding where the real power is can be the difference between a successful effort and a vain one. * ''Social structure''. Many aspects of social structure are integrated into other areas -- relationships, politics, economics -- but there are also the questions of how people in the community relate to one another on a daily basis, how problems are (or aren't) resolved, who socializes or does business with whom, etc. This area also includes perceptions and symbols of status and respect, and whether status carries entitlement or responsibility (or both). * ''Attitudes and values''. Again, much of this area may be covered by investigation into others, particularly culture. What does the community care about, and what does it ignore? What are residents' assumptions about the proper way to behave, to dress, to do business, to treat others? Is there widely accepted discrimination against one or more groups by the majority or by those in power? What are the norms for interaction among those who with different opinions or different backgrounds? '''We'll discuss all of these aspects of community in greater detail later in the section.'''<blockquote>There are obviously many more aspects of community that can be explored, such as health or education.  The assumption here is that as part of an assessment, you'll aim for a general understanding of the community, as described in this section, and also assess, with a narrower focus, the specific aspects you're interested in.</blockquote>Once you've explored the relevant areas of the community, you'll have the information to create a community description. Depending on your needs and information, this description might be anything from a two-or three-page outline to an in-depth portrait of the community that extends to tens of pages and includes charts, graphs, photographs, and other elements. The point of doing it is to have a picture of the community at a particular point in time that you can use to provide a context for your community assessment and to see the results of whatever actions you take to bring about change.<blockquote>A community description can be as creative as you're capable of making it.  It can be written as a story, can incorporate photos and commentary from community residents, can be done online and include audio and video, etc. The more interesting the description is, the more people are likely to actually read it.</blockquote> === Caring for Our Surroundings and the enviroment === Our surroundings or environment is the natural world around you the air, water, land, plants, and animals. Everything in nature is part of your environment. You share this environment with people, animals, and plants in your community. === '''How you can care for your surroundings''' === === Reduce, Reuse, and Recycle === You can follow the three-R rule every day. '''Reduce''' means using less so you make less waste. '''Reuse''' means using something again instead of throwing it away. '''Recycle''' means turning old materials into new ones. For example, you can use a reusable lunch bag and water bottle at school. You can decorate an old jar and use it as a pencil holder. You can put paper and plastic bottles in the recycling bin. === Sorting Your Waste === You sort your waste by putting it in the right bin. Banana peels go in the '''compost bin'''. A plastic bottle goes in the '''recycling bin'''. A broken toy that cannot be fixed goes in the '''garbage bin'''. Sorting waste properly helps protect the environment. === Composting === Composting means collecting food waste like; banana peels, left overs and vegetable cuttings. These wastes break down and turn into rich soil for gardens. === Saving Water and Energy === You can save water by turning off the tap while brushing your teeth. You can save electricity by turning off lights when you leave a room. These small actions help protect natural resources every single day. === Planting Trees and Native Plants === Trees clean the air and give animals a home. Planting flowers and native plants in your garden helps birds, bees, and butterflies find food and shelter. This supports the wildlife in your neighborhood. Additionally, you can help by; Cleaning our homes, classrooms and playgrounds, and Keeping water sources clean. * Avoiding damage to public property. * Helping people who need support. === Children's Responsibilities === Children have an important role in caring for their communities. They can help by setting a good example and encouraging others to behave responsibly.<ref>{{Cite web |date=2024-06-05 |title=Empowering Kids to Make a Big Impact in Their Communities |url=https://sesameworkshop.org/resources/empowering-kids-to-make-a-big-impact-in-their-communities/ |access-date=2026-09-14 |website=Sesame Workshop |language=en-US}}</ref> Children should respect others, avoid littering and report dangerous or dirty places to trusted adults. === Short Story: The Rubbish Behind the Library === Some pupils noticed rubbish behind their school library. They decided to clean the area with the help of their teacher. They collected the rubbish, placed it in bins and planted flowers near the library. The area became clean and beautiful. Other pupils followed their example. '''Lesson:''' Everyone can help to improve the community. === Activity and Discussion === # What is a community? # Name three ways of keeping your school clean. # Why should children care for their surroundings? # Organize a small classroom cleaning activity. == Chapter 2: Types of Waste and Every Piece of Rubbish Has a Place == === Introduction === Every day, people produce waste. We throw away food scraps, plastic bottles, paper, cans, old clothes, broken equipment, and many other things. Waste is a normal part of human life, but the way we handle it determines whether it becomes a danger or a useful resource. Waste that is thrown anywhere can make our surroundings dirty, block drainage channels, pollute water, attract pests, and spread disease. However, when waste is '''sorted, reused, recycled, treated, or disposed of correctly''', it can be managed safely. This chapter explains the main '''types of waste''' and introduces an important idea: '''every piece of rubbish has a proper place'''. This chapter explains the main '''types of waste''' and introduces an important idea: '''every piece of rubbish has a proper place'''. ---- === 1. What Is Waste? === '''Waste''' is any material, substance, or object that a person no longer wants or needs and decides to discard.<ref>{{Cite web |title=What is waste? – KS2 Science curriculum |url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/articles/z2rhcj6 |access-date=2026-09-14 |website=BBC Bitesize |language=en-GB}}</ref> Examples include: * Banana peels * Plastic bottles * Newspapers * Empty tins * Broken glass * Old batteries * Used clothes * Food leftovers * Broken electronic devices Not all waste is the same. Different materials have different effects on the environment and require different methods of handling. ---- === 2. Types of Waste === Waste can be classified in several ways. The most common classification is according to its '''nature and source'''. ==== A. Biodegradable Waste ==== '''Biodegradable waste''' is waste that can be broken down naturally by microorganisms such as bacteria and fungi. Examples include: * Fruit and vegetable peels * Food leftovers * Leaves * Grass * Animal manure * Paper and some untreated natural materials Biodegradable waste can often be turned into '''compost''', which is useful for improving soil. === Example === Instead of throwing banana peels into a general rubbish pile, they can be collected with other organic materials and composted. '''Remember:''' '''Biodegradable = can naturally break down.''' ---- ==== B. Non-Biodegradable Waste ==== '''Non-biodegradable waste''' does not break down easily through natural processes, or it may take a very long time to do so. Examples include: * Plastic bags * Plastic bottles * Glass * Some metals * Synthetic materials Some non-biodegradable materials can be '''reused or recycled''' rather than thrown away. === Why is it a problem? === When non-biodegradable waste is poorly managed, it can remain in the environment for long periods and contribute to land and water pollution. '''Remember:''' '''Non-biodegradable = does not easily break down naturally.''' ---- === 3. Recyclable Waste === '''Recyclable waste''' consists of materials that can be collected and processed into new products.<ref>{{Cite web |last=Gabriel |first=Mr |date=2024-09-12 |title=How to Dispose Waste Properly: A Guide to Proper Waste Management |url=https://whatisgreenliving.com/how-to-dispose-waste-properly/ |access-date=2026-09-14 |website=What is Green Living? |language=en-GB}}</ref> Common recyclable materials include: * Paper * Cardboard * Certain plastics * Aluminium cans * Steel cans * Glass bottles and containers For recycling to work effectively, materials should be '''sorted and kept reasonably clean'''.<ref>{{Cite web |title=Topic 2 Reusing in daily life – CICLO |url=https://ciclo-project.eu/topic/topic-2-reusing-in-daily-life/ |access-date=2026-09-14 |language=en-GB}}</ref> === Example === An empty metal drink can can be collected, processed, and used to make new metal products instead of being sent directly to a landfill. ---- === 4. Hazardous Waste === '''Hazardous waste''' is waste that can cause harm to people, animals, or the environment if it is handled or disposed of incorrectly. Examples include: * Used batteries * Certain chemicals * Pesticide containers * Some paints and solvents * Medical sharps * Some electronic waste * Certain cleaning products Hazardous waste should '''not simply be mixed with ordinary household rubbish'''. It may require special collection, treatment, or disposal. ==== Safety rule ==== Never play with, burn, open, or pour unknown chemicals or hazardous waste into drains, rivers, or onto the ground. ---- === 5. Electronic Waste === '''Electronic waste''', commonly called '''e-waste''', includes unwanted electrical and electronic equipment. Examples include: * Old mobile phones * Computers * Televisions * Radios * Chargers * Keyboards * Printers * Broken appliances Electronic devices contain valuable materials that can sometimes be recovered and reused. They may also contain substances that require careful handling. Therefore, unwanted electronics should be taken to appropriate collection or recycling facilities where available. ---- === 6. Medical Waste === '''Medical waste''' is waste produced during healthcare activities. Examples include: * Used syringes * Needles * Bandages * Gloves * Contaminated dressings * Certain medicines and medical materials Medical waste can pose health risks if it is not properly handled. For example, '''used needles should never be placed loosely into ordinary rubbish''', because they can injure people and potentially transmit infection. Healthcare facilities use special containers and procedures for managing such waste. ---- === 7. Construction and Demolition Waste === Construction activities produce waste such as: * Broken bricks * Concrete * Soil * Wood * Roofing materials * Scrap metal * Tiles Some of these materials can be reused in construction or recycled. Good construction waste management reduces unnecessary dumping and saves useful materials. ---- === 8. Liquid Waste === '''Liquid waste''' is waste in liquid form. Examples include: * Wastewater * Used cooking oil * Certain industrial liquids * Sewage * Some chemical liquids Liquid waste must be managed carefully because it can easily enter soil, drains, streams, lakes, and groundwater. '''Never pour hazardous liquids into a river, open drain, or onto bare soil.''' ---- === 9. Gaseous Waste === Some human activities release waste substances into the air in the form of gases or particles. Sources can include: * Vehicle exhaust * Industrial processes * Burning waste * Certain fuel-burning appliances Poor management of air pollutants can contribute to poor air quality and environmental damage. This is one reason '''open burning of rubbish is generally a poor waste-management practice''', especially when plastics and other materials are burned. ---- === 10. Every Piece of Rubbish Has a Place === The statement '''“Every piece of rubbish has a place”''' teaches us that waste should not be thrown carelessly. Different kinds of waste should go to appropriate destinations. A simple waste-sorting system can look like this: {| class="wikitable" !Type of waste !Examples !Suitable action |- |Organic waste |Food scraps, leaves |Composting |- |Paper/cardboard |Newspapers, boxes |Reuse or recycle |- |Plastics |Bottles, containers |Reuse or recycle where facilities exist |- |Glass |Bottles, jars |Reuse or recycle |- |Metals |Cans, scrap metal |Recycle |- |E-waste |Phones, computers |Special collection/recycling |- |Hazardous waste |Batteries, chemicals |Special handling |- |Medical waste |Needles, contaminated materials |Approved medical-waste system |- |General residual waste |Materials that cannot be recovered |Appropriate final disposal |} The exact collection system differs from one community to another, so people should follow the waste-sorting rules used by their local authority or waste-collection service. ---- === 11. The Waste Hierarchy === Good waste management does not begin with throwing things away. It follows a hierarchy that encourages people to prevent waste first. ==== 1. Refuse ==== Avoid unnecessary items when possible. '''Example:''' Refuse unnecessary single-use packaging. ==== 2. Reduce ==== Use fewer resources and produce less waste. '''Example:''' Buy only the food you are likely to use. ===== 3. Reuse ===== Use an item again instead of throwing it away. '''Example:''' Use a durable shopping bag repeatedly. ===== 4. Repair ===== Fix broken items when practical. '''Example:''' Repair a chair rather than immediately replacing it. ===== 5. Recycle ===== Process suitable materials into new products. '''Example:''' Recycle suitable paper, metal, glass, and plastics. ===== 6. Recover ===== Recover useful materials or energy from waste through appropriate processes. ===== 7. Dispose ===== Waste that cannot reasonably be reused, recycled, or recovered should be disposed of safely. '''The key lesson is: disposal should not be our first choice.''' ---- === 12. Why Proper Waste Management Matters === Proper waste management has many benefits. ==== Protects human health ==== Accumulated rubbish can attract flies, rats, and other pests. Poorly managed waste can also create opportunities for disease transmission. ==== Protects water ==== Waste dumped into waterways can contaminate rivers, lakes, and other sources of water. ==== Protects soil ==== Chemicals and other harmful substances can contaminate soil when waste is poorly disposed of. ==== Keeps communities clean ==== Clean streets, schools, homes, and public spaces are safer and more pleasant. ==== Saves resources ==== Recycling and reuse allow valuable materials to remain in use rather than constantly requiring new raw materials. ==== Reduces pollution ==== Sorting and treating waste properly can reduce pollution caused by dumping and inappropriate burning. ---- === 13. Waste Management at Home and School === Everyone can contribute to better waste management. ==== At home ==== * Keep rubbish in suitable containers. * Separate organic waste from recyclable materials where possible. * Compost suitable organic waste. * Reuse containers and bags. * Avoid unnecessary single-use products. * Keep hazardous materials separate. * Never dump rubbish in drainage channels or waterways. ==== At school ==== Schools can: * Provide clearly labelled waste bins. * Teach learners about waste separation. * Organise clean-up activities. * Encourage reusable water bottles. * Collect paper for recycling where facilities exist. * Compost suitable food and garden waste. * Ensure sharp or hazardous materials are handled safely. ---- === 14. A Simple Waste-Sorting Activity === Imagine that you have the following items: # Banana peel # Plastic water bottle # Newspaper # Broken battery # Glass bottle # Old mobile phone # Food leftovers # Used needle How should they be handled? * '''Banana peel →''' organic waste/compost * '''Plastic bottle →''' reuse or appropriate plastic recycling * '''Newspaper →''' reuse or paper recycling * '''Battery →''' special battery/e-waste collection * '''Glass bottle →''' reuse or glass recycling * '''Old mobile phone →''' e-waste collection/recycling * '''Food leftovers →''' composting where appropriate * '''Used needle →''' approved sharps/medical-waste disposal This demonstrates why '''sorting waste at the point where it is produced''' is so important. ---- === 15. Key Vocabulary === '''Waste:''' Material that is discarded because it is no longer wanted or needed. '''Biodegradable:''' Able to break down naturally through biological processes. '''Non-biodegradable:''' Not easily broken down naturally. '''Recycle:''' Process used materials so they can be made into new products. '''Reuse:''' Use an item again instead of discarding it. '''Compost:''' Decomposed organic material that can be used to improve soil. '''Hazardous waste:''' Waste that can pose a danger to people or the environment. '''E-waste:''' Discarded electrical and electronic equipment. === Short Story: Amina's Big Idea === Amina saw many plastic bottles around her school. She suggested collecting the bottles and using some of them to make flower containers. Her classmates helped her. Soon, the school had fewer bottles on the ground and more beautiful flowers. '''Lesson:''' Waste materials can sometimes be reused in useful ways. === Practical Activity === Collect safe reusable materials and make a useful object, such as a flowerpot, pencil holder or decoration. == Chapter 3: Water Is Life == === Introduction === Water is one of the most important resources on Earth. Every living thing needs water to survive. People, animals, and plants all depend on water for life and growth. We use water every day for drinking, cooking, bathing, washing clothes, cleaning, farming, and many other activities. Water is also important in industries, transport, energy production, and recreation. Because water is essential for life, we must use it wisely, protect it from pollution, and make sure that everyone has access to safe water. ---- === 1. What Is Water? === Water is a natural substance made up of hydrogen and oxygen. In its pure form, it has no colour, smell, or taste. Water exists in three main states: * '''Liquid''' – such as water in rivers, lakes, and oceans. * '''Solid''' – such as ice and snow. * '''Gas''' – water vapour found in the atmosphere. Water constantly moves between these states through the '''water cycle'''. ---- === 2. Sources of Water === Water comes from different natural sources. ==== A. Rainwater ==== Rain is an important source of fresh water. Rainwater fills rivers, lakes, wetlands, and reservoirs and also helps to replenish groundwater. People can collect rainwater from rooftops and store it in tanks for appropriate household or other uses. ==== B. Rivers and Streams ==== Rivers and streams provide water for domestic use, agriculture, livestock, industry, and ecosystems. However, water from rivers may contain microorganisms, chemicals, or other contaminants. It may therefore require appropriate treatment before it is safe to drink. ==== C. Lakes ==== Lakes contain large amounts of water and support people, plants, animals, and economic activities. Lakes can provide water for communities, fishing, agriculture, transport, and recreation. ==== D. Groundwater ==== Groundwater is water stored beneath the Earth's surface in soil and rock. It can be accessed through: * Wells * Boreholes * Springs Groundwater is an important source of drinking water in many communities. ==== E. Wetlands ==== Wetlands are areas where water covers or saturates the land for part or all of the year. They provide important environmental services, including storing water, supporting wildlife, and helping to filter pollutants. ---- === 3. Why Water Is Life === Water is essential for almost every activity that supports life. ==== A. Water for Drinking ==== The human body needs water to function properly. People lose water through activities such as breathing, sweating, and urination, so they need to replace it regularly. Safe drinking water is important for maintaining good health. ==== B. Water for Food Production ==== Farmers need water to grow crops and keep animals healthy. Water is used for: * Irrigation * Watering livestock * Cleaning agricultural equipment * Processing some agricultural products Without sufficient water, food production can be seriously affected. ==== C. Water for Plants ==== Plants need water for growth and survival. Water helps plants transport nutrients and supports photosynthesis. Without enough water, plants may wilt, stop growing, or die. ==== D. Water for Animals ==== Animals need water for drinking and other biological processes. Rivers, lakes, wetlands, and other water bodies also provide habitats for many animals. ==== E. Water for Hygiene and Sanitation ==== Water is essential for: * Washing hands * Bathing * Cleaning homes * Washing clothes * Cleaning utensils * Flushing toilets Good hygiene and sanitation help protect communities from disease. ==== F. Water in Industry ==== Industries use water for many purposes, including: * Manufacturing * Cooling machinery * Cleaning * Food processing * Producing certain goods Industries must manage water responsibly and prevent harmful substances from entering water sources. ---- === 4. The Water Cycle === Water does not simply disappear after it is used. It moves continuously through the environment in a process called the '''water cycle'''. The main stages include: ==== 1. Evaporation ==== Heat from the Sun causes water from oceans, lakes, rivers, and other surfaces to change into water vapour. ==== 2. Transpiration ==== Plants release water vapour into the atmosphere through tiny openings in their leaves. ==== 3. Condensation ==== Water vapour rises, cools, and forms tiny droplets that make clouds. ==== 4. Precipitation ==== When water droplets become sufficiently large, they fall to Earth as: * Rain * Snow * Sleet * Hail ==== 5. Collection and Infiltration ==== Water collects in rivers, lakes, oceans, and other water bodies. Some water also soaks into the ground and becomes groundwater. The cycle then continues. ---- === 5. Clean Water and Polluted Water === Not all water is safe to drink. '''Clean and safe water''' is water that does not contain harmful levels of microorganisms, chemicals, or other contaminants. '''Polluted water''' contains substances that can harm people, animals, plants, or ecosystems. Water pollution can come from many sources. === Examples include: === * Sewage * Plastic waste * Oil * Industrial chemicals * Agricultural chemicals * Animal waste * Household waste * Soil and sediment ---- === 6. Effects of Water Pollution === Water pollution can have serious consequences. ==== A. Human Health ==== Contaminated water can contribute to diseases and other health problems, particularly where sanitation and water treatment are inadequate. ==== B. Aquatic Life ==== Pollution can harm fish, insects, plants, amphibians, and other organisms living in water. ==== C. Food Production ==== Polluted water used for agriculture can affect crops, livestock, and food safety. ==== D. The Environment ==== Pollution can damage aquatic ecosystems and reduce the quality of habitats. ==== E. Economic Activities ==== Fishing, tourism, agriculture, and other activities can suffer when water resources become polluted. ---- === 7. How We Can Protect Water === Everyone has a role to play in protecting water resources. ==== At Home ==== * Do not throw rubbish into drains, rivers, or lakes. * Repair leaking taps and pipes. * Use only the water you need. * Avoid wasting water while washing. * Dispose of chemicals and oils appropriately. * Keep toilets and sanitation facilities clean. ==== At School ==== Students can: * Turn off taps after use. * Report leaking taps and pipes. * Keep school compounds free from litter. * Avoid throwing rubbish into drainage channels. * Participate in water-conservation activities. * Teach others about the importance of water. ==== In the Community ==== Communities can: * Protect wells, springs, rivers, and wetlands. * Prevent dumping near water sources. * Plant and protect vegetation where appropriate. * Maintain drainage and sanitation systems. * Encourage responsible water use. * Support safe water and sanitation projects. ---- === 8. Water Conservation === '''Water conservation''' means using water carefully and avoiding unnecessary waste. Simple actions can save large amounts of water. === Examples === Instead of leaving a tap running while brushing your teeth, turn it off when water is not needed. When washing clothes or dishes, use a reasonable amount of water rather than allowing water to run continuously. Leaking taps and pipes should be repaired because a small leak can waste water over time. Rainwater can also be collected and used for suitable purposes. ---- === 9. The Importance of Wetlands and Forests === Natural ecosystems help protect water resources. ==== Wetlands ==== Wetlands can store water, provide habitats, and help remove some pollutants from water. ==== Forests and Vegetation ==== Vegetation helps protect soil and can reduce erosion and surface runoff. Vegetated areas around water bodies can therefore contribute to the protection of water quality. Destroying wetlands and removing vegetation carelessly can increase environmental problems such as erosion, flooding, and water pollution. ---- === 10. Safe Drinking Water === Water intended for drinking should be obtained from a safe source and, where necessary, treated appropriately. Methods of treating water may include: * Boiling * Filtration * Chlorination * Other approved water-treatment methods The correct treatment method depends on the source and the contaminants that may be present. Water should also be stored safely in clean, covered containers to reduce the chance of contamination. ---- === 11. Water and Our Future === Fresh water is limited and unevenly distributed. Some communities have reliable access to safe water, while others face shortages or difficulties accessing clean water. Population growth, pollution, climate variability, changing land use, and increasing demand can place pressure on water resources. Protecting water today helps ensure that future generations can also benefit from this essential resource. ---- === 12. Practical Activity: Saving Water === ==== Activity ==== For one day, observe how water is used at home or school. Make a list of activities such as: * Drinking * Cooking * Bathing * Washing hands * Washing clothes * Cleaning * Watering plants Then identify activities where water may be wasted. ==== Questions ==== # Which activity uses the most water? # Where is water being wasted? # How could the waste be reduced? # What can you do personally to save water? Discuss your answers with your classmates or family members. ---- === 13. Key Vocabulary === '''Water:''' A natural substance essential for life. '''Water cycle:''' The continuous movement of water through the environment. '''Evaporation:''' The change of liquid water into water vapour. '''Condensation:''' The change of water vapour into liquid droplets. '''Precipitation:''' Water falling from clouds as rain, snow, sleet, or hail. '''Groundwater:''' Water stored beneath the Earth's surface. '''Water pollution:''' The contamination of water by harmful substances. '''Water conservation:''' The careful and responsible use of water. '''Wetland:''' Land that is covered or saturated with water for part or all of the year. '''Sanitation:''' Systems and practices for safely managing human waste and maintaining hygiene. ---- === 14. Summary === Water is essential for '''people, animals, plants, agriculture, sanitation, industry, and ecosystems'''. It comes from sources such as rain, rivers, lakes, groundwater, and wetlands. Water moves continuously through the '''water cycle''', but clean and accessible freshwater is a valuable resource that must be protected. Pollution, waste, careless use, and damage to natural ecosystems can threaten water resources. We can help by '''saving water, preventing pollution, protecting water sources, practising good sanitation, and using water responsibly'''. The most important lesson is simple:<blockquote>'''Water is life. Protect every drop.'''</blockquote> ==== Short Story: The Dirty Stream ==== Children in a village noticed that their stream was becoming dirty. Some people were throwing rubbish into it. The children spoke to their teacher and community leaders. Together, they organised a clean-up and encouraged people to stop dumping rubbish in the stream. '''Lesson:''' Protecting water requires teamwork and responsible behavior. ==== Water-Protection Challenge ==== For one week: * Close taps properly after use. * Use only the water you need. * Keep water containers clean. * Encourage others not to pollute water sources. == Chapter 4: Trees == === Introduction === Trees are among the most useful living things on Earth. They grow in forests, gardens, farms, school compounds, along roads, and around our homes. Trees provide food, shelter, shade, materials, and many other benefits. Trees also help protect the environment. They absorb carbon dioxide from the atmosphere, release oxygen through photosynthesis, help protect soil from erosion, and provide habitats for many animals. For these reasons, trees can truly be described as '''our friends'''. However, trees need care and protection so that they can continue benefiting people and the environment. ---- === 1. What Is a Tree? === A tree is a large plant with a woody stem or trunk, branches, leaves, and roots. The main parts of a tree include: * '''Roots''' – anchor the tree in the soil and absorb water and minerals. * '''Trunk''' – supports the tree and transports water and nutrients. * '''Branches''' – hold the leaves, flowers, and fruits. * '''Leaves''' – make food for the tree through photosynthesis. * '''Flowers''' – help many trees reproduce. * '''Fruits and seeds''' – help produce new trees. Trees vary greatly in size, shape, and appearance. ---- === 2. Trees Give Us Oxygen === Trees and other green plants carry out '''photosynthesis'''. During photosynthesis, plants use: * Sunlight * Water * Carbon dioxide to produce food, while releasing oxygen into the atmosphere. Oxygen is needed by humans and many animals for respiration. Trees therefore play an important role in maintaining the gases that support life. ---- === 3. Trees Give Us Food === Many trees provide food for people and animals. Examples include: * Mango trees * Avocado trees * Orange trees * Jackfruit trees * Banana plants * Coconut palms Trees can provide fruits, nuts, seeds, leaves, and other edible products. Animals also depend on trees for food. ---- === 4. Trees Provide Shade === Trees provide shade from strong sunlight. People can sit under trees to rest, study, talk, or relax. Trees around homes, schools, parks, and public spaces can make these places more comfortable. Shade from trees can also help reduce the amount of direct sunlight reaching buildings and the ground. ---- === 5. Trees Provide Homes for Animals === Trees are important habitats for many living organisms. Birds may build nests in branches. Insects may live on leaves and bark. Monkeys, squirrels, reptiles, and other animals may use trees for shelter, food, or movement. A large tree can therefore support many different forms of life. When trees are destroyed, animals can lose their homes and sources of food. ---- === 6. Trees Protect the Soil === Tree roots hold soil together. When heavy rain falls on bare soil, it can wash soil away. This process is called '''soil erosion'''. Trees can help reduce erosion because: * Their roots hold soil together. * Their leaves and branches reduce the force of falling rain. * Fallen leaves cover the soil. * Tree-covered land can slow surface runoff. Protecting trees is therefore one way of helping to protect soil. ---- === 7. Trees Help Protect Water === Trees and other vegetation play an important role in the water cycle. Their roots help water enter and move through the soil. Vegetation can also reduce soil erosion and the amount of sediment carried into rivers and lakes. Trees growing near water bodies can therefore contribute to the protection of water resources. ---- === 8. Trees Help Fight Climate Change === Trees absorb '''carbon dioxide''', a greenhouse gas, as they grow. Through photosynthesis, trees use carbon dioxide to make food. Some of the carbon becomes stored in the tree's wood, roots, and other parts. Forests and other ecosystems therefore store significant amounts of carbon. Protecting existing forests and planting appropriate trees can contribute to efforts to address climate change, although trees are only one part of the solution. ---- === 9. Trees Provide Materials === Trees provide materials that people use in everyday life. Wood can be used to make: * Furniture * Doors * Houses * Poles * Tools * Paper products Some trees also provide materials such as: * Rubber * Cork * Resins * Fibres * Oils These materials support many livelihoods and industries. However, trees should be harvested responsibly, and forests should be managed sustainably. ---- === 10. Trees Provide Medicine === Some trees contain substances that have been used traditionally or scientifically in medicines and other health-related products. Examples of trees associated with traditional or medicinal uses include: * Neem * Eucalyptus * Cinchona * Some species of acacia Medicinal plants should be used carefully. Traditional knowledge does not automatically mean that a plant is safe or effective for every medical condition. ---- === 11. Trees Improve the Environment === Trees contribute to healthier surroundings in several ways. They can: * Provide habitats for wildlife. * Help reduce soil erosion. * Store carbon. * Provide shade. * Improve the appearance of landscapes. * Reduce wind speeds in some areas. * Contribute to cleaner and cooler local environments. Trees in towns and cities can be especially valuable because they provide shade and green spaces among buildings and roads. ---- === 12. Trees and the Air We Breathe === Trees interact with the atmosphere in important ways. Their leaves absorb carbon dioxide during photosynthesis and release oxygen. Trees can also trap some airborne particles on their leaves. However, trees do not remove all air pollution, and planting the right species in appropriate locations is important. ---- === 13. Why People Cut Down Trees === People cut down trees for different reasons. These include: * Getting firewood * Producing charcoal * Obtaining timber * Clearing land for farming * Building houses and roads * Producing paper and other products Some tree harvesting is necessary for human needs. The problem arises when trees are removed '''faster than they can naturally or deliberately be replaced'''. This can lead to '''deforestation'''. ---- === 14. Effects of Deforestation === '''Deforestation''' is the large-scale removal of forests or trees from an area. Deforestation can result in: * Loss of wildlife habitats * Increased soil erosion * Loss of biodiversity * Reduced carbon storage * Changes in local water cycles * Loss of valuable forest resources When forests are cleared without proper management, the environmental and social consequences can be serious. ---- === 15. How We Can Protect Trees === Everyone can help protect trees. ==== At Home ==== * Plant suitable trees. * Avoid unnecessary cutting of trees. * Use wood and paper responsibly. * Protect young trees from damage. * Compost suitable organic waste and return nutrients to the soil where appropriate. ==== At School ==== Students can: * Plant and care for trees. * Avoid damaging tree trunks and branches. * Keep school gardens clean. * Water young trees when necessary. * Learn about local tree species. * Organise tree-care activities. ==== In the Community ==== Communities can: * Protect forests and woodlands. * Plant appropriate native or well-adapted species. * Prevent uncontrolled cutting. * Encourage sustainable forestry. * Protect trees along rivers and other sensitive areas. * Educate people about the value of trees. ---- === 16. Planting a Tree === Planting a tree is useful, but simply putting a seedling in the ground is not enough. The tree must be cared for. ==== Basic steps ==== # '''Choose a suitable species''' for the local environment. # '''Choose an appropriate location''' with enough space for the mature tree. # '''Prepare the soil''' and dig a suitable planting hole. # '''Plant the seedling carefully.''' # '''Water it when necessary''', especially during dry periods. # '''Protect it from animals and damage.''' # '''Remove competing weeds when appropriate.''' # '''Continue caring for the tree as it grows.''' A healthy mature tree may take many years to develop, so tree planting requires patience. ---- === 17. Trees and Responsibility === Trees belong to a wider ecosystem. When we care for them, we are also helping many other organisms. We should remember:<blockquote>'''Plant a tree, care for a tree, and protect a tree.'''</blockquote>Planting trees is important, but '''protecting existing mature trees is also very valuable''' because mature trees already provide established habitat, shade, and carbon storage. ---- === 18. Practical Activity: Adopt a Tree === Choose a tree at your school or home. Observe it regularly and record: * Its height or approximate size * The shape of its leaves * Whether it has flowers or fruits * Animals or insects found on it * Changes you observe over several weeks Give the tree a name if you wish and create a simple care schedule. === Questions === # What type of tree did you observe? # What benefits does it provide? # Which animals use it? # How can you protect it? # What changes did you observe over time? ---- === 19. Key Vocabulary === '''Tree:''' A large woody plant with a trunk, branches, leaves, and roots. '''Photosynthesis:''' The process by which green plants use sunlight, water, and carbon dioxide to make food and release oxygen. '''Habitat:''' The natural home or environment of a plant or animal. '''Deforestation:''' The large-scale removal of forests or trees. '''Soil erosion:''' The removal of soil by agents such as water or wind. '''Biodiversity:''' The variety of living organisms in an area or on Earth. '''Forest:''' A large area dominated by trees and associated plants and animals. '''Sustainable:''' Using resources in a way that allows them to remain available for the future. '''Carbon dioxide:''' A gas in the atmosphere that plants use during photosynthesis and that also contributes to the greenhouse effect. ---- === 20. Summary === Trees are essential parts of our environment. They provide '''food, shade, oxygen, habitats, materials, and protection for soil and water'''. They also absorb carbon dioxide and store carbon. However, uncontrolled cutting and destruction of forests can cause deforestation, habitat loss, soil erosion, and other environmental problems. We can protect trees by '''planting appropriate trees, caring for young trees, reducing unnecessary tree cutting, using forest products responsibly, and protecting natural forests'''. Trees are more than sources of wood and fruit. They are living parts of ecosystems that support people, animals, and the environment.. === Activity === Plant or care for a tree or flower at home or school. Observe it regularly and record how it changes. == Chapter 5: Plastic Pollution == === Introduction === Plastic is one of the most widely used materials in the modern world. We find plastic in bottles, bags, food packaging, toys, containers, clothes, electronics, and many other products. Plastic is useful because it is light, strong, waterproof, and relatively inexpensive. However, when plastic is used carelessly and discarded improperly, it can become a serious environmental problem. '''Plastic pollution''' occurs when plastic waste accumulates in places where it can harm people, animals, and the environment. The good news is that everyone can help reduce plastic pollution by making responsible choices about how we use, reuse, collect, and dispose of plastic. ---- === 1. What Is Plastic? === Plastic is a group of materials made mainly from polymers. Many plastics are produced from fossil-fuel-based raw materials, although some newer plastics are made partly or entirely from other sources. Plastic can be manufactured into many different shapes and forms. Examples include: * Plastic bags * Bottles * Food containers * Packaging * Pipes * Toys * Furniture * Household equipment Because plastic can be made into so many useful products, it has become an important material in everyday life. ---- === 2. What Is Plastic Pollution? === '''Plastic pollution''' is the accumulation or presence of plastic waste in the environment in ways that cause harm or create environmental problems. Plastic waste can be found: * On streets * In drainage channels * In gardens * On beaches * In rivers and lakes * In wetlands * In forests * In agricultural areas * In oceans Plastic that is thrown on the ground can be carried by wind or rain into drainage systems and waterways. ---- === 3. Common Sources of Plastic Waste === Plastic waste comes from many activities. ==== At Home ==== Households may produce plastic waste from: * Shopping bags * Food packaging * Bottles * Containers * Wrappers * Disposable utensils ==== At School ==== Schools may produce plastic waste from: * Water bottles * Snack wrappers * Packaging * Plastic stationery * Disposable food containers ==== In Businesses ==== Shops, restaurants, markets, and industries may generate large amounts of plastic packaging and other plastic waste. ==== In Agriculture ==== Some agricultural activities use plastic materials such as containers, packaging, irrigation components, and other products. ---- === 4. Why Does Plastic Become a Problem? === Plastic itself can be useful. The problem often occurs when it is '''used unnecessarily, discarded carelessly, or poorly managed'''. Plastic can persist in the environment for long periods. Larger plastic items can break into smaller pieces called '''microplastics''' rather than simply disappearing. When plastic waste is not collected or managed properly, it can spread through the environment. ---- === 5. Plastic Pollution and Water === Plastic waste can enter rivers, lakes, wetlands, and oceans. It may be carried into waterways by: * Rain * Floodwater * Wind * Poorly managed rubbish * Drainage systems Once plastic enters water, it can interfere with aquatic ecosystems and make waterways dirty. Plastic waste can also block drains and contribute to flooding when drainage systems become obstructed. ---- === 6. Plastic Pollution and Animals === Animals can be harmed by plastic pollution. Some animals may mistake plastic for food and swallow it. This can cause injury, illness, or blockage of the digestive system. Animals can also become trapped or entangled in plastic materials such as bags, strings, fishing lines, and other discarded objects. Keeping plastic waste out of natural habitats helps protect wildlife. ---- === 7. Microplastics === '''Microplastics''' are very small pieces of plastic, generally less than 5 millimetres in size. They can be produced when larger plastic items break down into smaller pieces. Some microplastics also come directly from products or industrial processes. Because they are so small, microplastics can be difficult to remove from the environment. They have been detected in many environmental settings, including water, soil, air, and living organisms. Scientists continue to study their effects on ecosystems and human health. ---- === 8. Plastic Pollution and Soil === Plastic waste can accumulate on land and become mixed with soil. This can: * Make land unattractive and difficult to manage. * Interfere with farming activities. * Harm animals that live in or feed from the soil. * Break down into smaller plastic particles. * Carry pollutants into the wider environment. Farmers and communities can help by preventing plastic waste from being dumped on agricultural land. ---- === 9. Burning Plastic === Some people burn plastic waste because they want to get rid of it quickly. However, '''burning plastic in open fires is not a safe waste-management method'''. Depending on the type of plastic and how it burns, smoke can contain harmful pollutants and fine particles. Instead of burning plastic, it is better to: * Reduce unnecessary plastic use. * Reuse suitable items. * Separate recyclable materials. * Use appropriate waste-collection services. * Dispose of residual waste through approved systems. ---- === 10. Plastic Recycling === '''Recycling''' involves collecting and processing used materials so that they can become inputs for new products. Some types of plastic can be recycled. However, not every plastic item is accepted by every recycling system. Recycling facilities may differ in the types of plastics they can process. Therefore, people should follow the sorting instructions provided by their local waste-management or recycling service. ---- === 11. Reuse Before Recycling === Recycling is useful, but '''reuse can sometimes be even simpler'''. For example, a durable container can be used repeatedly instead of being thrown away after one use. Reusable alternatives may include: * Shopping bags * Water bottles * Food containers * Cups * Lunch boxes The best option depends on the product and how it is used. The important principle is to avoid unnecessary waste. ---- === 12. How Can We Reduce Plastic Pollution? === Everyone can take practical steps. ==== A. Refuse Unnecessary Plastic ==== If you do not need a disposable plastic item, avoid taking it. ==== B. Reduce Plastic Use ==== Choose products with less unnecessary packaging when practical. ==== C. Reuse ==== Use suitable durable products more than once. ==== D. Recycle ==== Separate recyclable plastic according to local collection requirements. ==== E. Dispose Properly ==== Put plastic waste into the correct waste container rather than throwing it on the ground. ==== F. Keep Waterways Clean ==== Never throw plastic into rivers, lakes, wetlands, drainage channels, or other water bodies. ---- === 13. Plastic Pollution at School === Students can help reduce plastic pollution at school. They can: * Carry reusable water bottles. * Avoid unnecessary disposable packaging. * Use rubbish bins correctly. * Separate recyclable waste where a recycling system exists. * Participate in clean-up activities. * Encourage classmates not to litter. * Report overflowing rubbish bins to teachers or school administrators. A clean school environment begins with responsible everyday habits. ---- === 14. Plastic Pollution in the Community === Communities can work together to reduce plastic pollution. Useful actions include: * Organising clean-up activities. * Providing appropriate rubbish bins. * Supporting waste collection. * Encouraging reusable shopping bags. * Educating residents about waste separation. * Preventing dumping in drainage channels. * Supporting responsible recycling initiatives. Businesses can also help by reducing unnecessary packaging and improving the collection and management of plastic waste. ---- === 15. The Plastic Pollution Solution === There is no single solution to plastic pollution. A successful approach involves several actions: '''Prevent → Reduce → Reuse → Recycle → Dispose safely''' This means we should think about waste '''before''' we create it. For example:<blockquote>Instead of buying a disposable plastic bottle every day, a person may carry a suitable reusable bottle and refill it with safe drinking water.</blockquote>Small changes repeated by many people can make a significant difference. ---- === 16. Practical Activity: Plastic Audit === ==== Activity ==== For one day, collect or record the plastic waste produced by your household or class. Group the items into categories such as: * Bottles * Bags * Wrappers * Containers * Other plastic items Then discuss: # Which type of plastic waste was most common? # Which items could have been avoided? # Which items could be reused? # Which items could potentially be recycled? # How could your household or class produce less plastic waste? Create a '''“Plastic Reduction Plan”''' with three actions that your class can follow for one month. ---- === 17. Key Vocabulary === '''Plastic:''' A group of synthetic or semi-synthetic materials made mainly from polymers. '''Plastic pollution:''' The accumulation or presence of plastic waste in the environment in ways that cause harm or environmental problems. '''Microplastic:''' A very small plastic particle, generally less than 5 millimetres in size. '''Recycle:''' To process used materials so they can be used to make new products. '''Reuse:''' To use an item again instead of throwing it away. '''Litter:''' Waste that has been carelessly discarded in the environment. '''Waste management:''' The collection, sorting, treatment, recovery, and safe disposal of waste. '''Biodegradable:''' Able to break down naturally through biological processes. ---- === 18. Questions for Discussion === # What is plastic pollution? # Give five examples of plastic items used in your community. # How can plastic enter rivers and lakes? # How can plastic harm animals? # What are microplastics? # Why is burning plastic in open fires a problem? # What is the difference between reusing and recycling? # How can students reduce plastic waste at school? # Why should plastic not be thrown into drainage channels? # What three actions can your community take to reduce plastic pollution? ---- === 19. Summary === Plastic is a useful material, but poor management of plastic waste can cause pollution on land and in water. Plastic waste can block drainage systems, damage habitats, harm animals, and break down into microplastics. Burning plastic in open fires can also release harmful pollutants. We can reduce plastic pollution by following the principles of: '''Refuse → Reduce → Reuse → Recycle → Dispose safely''' Everyone has a role to play. At home, at school, in markets, and throughout our communities, responsible choices can help keep our environment clean.<blockquote>'''Use plastic wisely, keep it out of nature, and give every piece of waste the right place.'''</blockquote> == Chapter 6: Our Changing World == === Introduction === The Earth is our home. It provides us with air to breathe, water to drink, food to eat, and land on which we live and work. The Earth's climate also affects plants, animals, agriculture, and human activities. Today, the Earth's climate is changing. '''Climate change''' refers to long-term changes in the average conditions of the Earth's climate, including changes in temperature, rainfall, and weather patterns. Climate has changed naturally throughout Earth's history. However, human activities have caused a significant increase in greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, contributing to the current warming of the planet. Understanding climate change helps us make informed choices about how to protect people, communities, and the natural environment. ---- === 1. What Is Climate? === '''Climate''' is the usual pattern of weather in a particular place over a long period. Climate includes things such as: * Temperature * Rainfall * Humidity * Wind * Seasons For example, one rainy day tells us about '''weather''', while the typical pattern of rainfall over many years tells us about '''climate'''. === Weather and Climate === '''Weather:''' What the atmosphere is like over a short period. '''Climate:''' The long-term pattern of atmospheric conditions. A simple way to remember this is:<blockquote>'''Weather is what we experience today; climate is the pattern we observe over many years.'''</blockquote> ---- === 2. What Is Climate Change? === '''Climate change''' is a long-term change in the Earth's climate. It can involve changes in: * Average temperatures * Rainfall patterns * The frequency or intensity of some extreme weather events * Sea levels * Glaciers and ice * Oceans and ecosystems Climate change is not simply about the Earth becoming warmer every day. Different regions can experience different changes. ---- === 3. The Greenhouse Effect === The Earth's atmosphere contains gases called '''greenhouse gases'''. Important greenhouse gases include: * Carbon dioxide * Methane * Nitrous oxide * Water vapour These gases help keep the Earth warm enough for life. This natural process is called the '''greenhouse effect'''. Without the natural greenhouse effect, Earth would be much colder. The problem is that human activities have increased the concentrations of several greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. This strengthens the greenhouse effect and causes additional warming. ---- === 4. Causes of Modern Climate Change === Human activities are the main cause of the recent long-term warming of the Earth's climate. Major sources of greenhouse gas emissions include: ==== A. Burning Fossil Fuels ==== Coal, oil, and natural gas are burned to produce energy for: * Electricity * Transport * Industry * Heating and cooking Burning fossil fuels releases carbon dioxide. ==== B. Deforestation ==== Trees absorb carbon dioxide as they grow. When forests are destroyed, this carbon-storage capacity is reduced, and carbon can also be released into the atmosphere. ==== C. Agriculture ==== Agriculture can produce greenhouse gases such as methane and nitrous oxide. Sources include: * Livestock * Rice cultivation * Fertiliser use * Management of agricultural soils ==== D. Industry ==== Some industrial processes release greenhouse gases directly or use large amounts of fossil-fuel energy. ==== E. Waste ==== Poorly managed waste can produce greenhouse gases. For example, organic waste decomposing without enough oxygen in landfills can generate methane. ---- === 5. Signs of a Changing Climate === Scientists use observations from many parts of the world to study climate change. Evidence includes: * Rising global average temperatures * Warming oceans * Melting glaciers and ice sheets * Rising sea levels * Changes in some ecosystems * Changes in the timing or distribution of some biological events These changes occur over long periods, so scientists use measurements collected over many years. ---- === 6. Climate Change and Water === Climate change can affect water resources. Changes in temperature and rainfall can influence: * Rivers * Lakes * Groundwater * Soil moisture * Water availability Some areas may experience heavier rainfall or flooding, while others may experience longer or more severe dry periods. Changes in water availability can affect households, agriculture, animals, and ecosystems. ---- === 7. Climate Change and Agriculture === Agriculture depends heavily on climate. Farmers need suitable: * Rainfall * Temperatures * Soil conditions * Growing seasons Climate change can make farming more difficult when rainfall becomes less predictable or temperatures become unsuitable for certain crops. Farmers can respond through '''adaptation''', such as: * Planting drought-tolerant crops where appropriate * Improving water management * Using soil-conservation methods * Adjusting planting dates * Diversifying crops and livelihoods The best adaptation measures depend on local conditions. ---- === 8. Climate Change and Animals === Animals depend on suitable habitats, food, water, and temperatures. As climate conditions change, some species may: * Move to new areas * Change feeding or breeding patterns * Face greater pressure from habitat changes * Become more vulnerable to disease or other environmental stresses Species that cannot adapt or move quickly enough may face increased risks. Protecting natural habitats can help wildlife cope with environmental changes. ---- === 9. Climate Change and Forests === Forests are important in the fight against climate change. Trees remove carbon dioxide from the atmosphere and store carbon in their: * Trunks * Branches * Leaves * Roots * Soil Forests also provide habitats, protect soil, support water systems, and provide resources for communities. Protecting forests and managing them sustainably can therefore provide both environmental and social benefits. ---- === 10. Climate Change and Human Health === Climate change can affect human health in several ways. For example, changes in temperature can increase heat-related risks. Flooding can damage homes and sanitation systems, while drought can affect food and water supplies. Climate change can also influence the conditions under which some disease-carrying organisms survive and spread. The effects are not the same everywhere. Local conditions, healthcare systems, infrastructure, and people's ability to adapt all matter. ---- === 11. Climate Change and Extreme Weather === Climate change does not cause every individual weather event. However, warming can influence the likelihood or intensity of '''some''' extreme events. Examples include: * Heatwaves * Heavy rainfall * Flooding * Droughts The relationship differs between types of events and locations, so scientists study individual events and regions carefully. ---- === 12. What Is Climate Change Adaptation? === '''Adaptation''' means adjusting to actual or expected climate changes in order to reduce harm or take advantage of possible opportunities. Examples include: * Building stronger drainage systems. * Protecting wetlands. * Improving water storage. * Growing crops suited to changing conditions. * Planting trees for shade. * Developing early-warning systems for dangerous weather. * Improving building designs. Adaptation helps communities prepare for changes that are already occurring or expected. ---- === 13. What Is Climate Change Mitigation? === '''Mitigation''' means reducing greenhouse gas emissions or increasing the amount of greenhouse gases removed from the atmosphere. Examples include: * Using renewable energy such as solar and wind power. * Improving energy efficiency. * Using public transport where practical. * Walking or cycling for suitable journeys. * Protecting and restoring forests. * Reducing unnecessary waste. * Improving waste management. * Developing lower-emission technologies. Mitigation addresses the causes of climate change, while adaptation focuses on reducing the harm caused by its effects. ---- === 14. What Can Students Do? === Students may not control large industries or national policies, but their everyday actions can contribute to environmental protection. ==== At School ==== Students can: * Switch off unnecessary lights and electrical equipment. * Avoid wasting paper. * Walk or cycle where it is safe and practical. * Use reusable items where appropriate. * Plant and care for trees. * Prevent littering. * Protect school gardens and green spaces. ==== At Home ==== Families can: * Use energy efficiently. * Reduce unnecessary waste. * Reuse suitable items. * Avoid unnecessary burning of waste. * Save water. * Plant and care for appropriate trees. * Choose lower-waste options where practical. Individual actions are useful, but addressing climate change also requires action by communities, businesses, governments, and other institutions. ---- === 15. Climate Change and Our Community === Communities can work together to become more resilient. Useful activities include: * Protecting forests and wetlands. * Improving drainage. * Maintaining clean water sources. * Planting appropriate trees. * Using sustainable farming practices. * Preparing emergency plans. * Sharing information about climate risks. * Supporting reliable weather and early-warning information. Local knowledge is also valuable. People who have lived in an area for many years may notice changes in rainfall, seasons, water availability, or farming conditions. Combining local knowledge with scientific information can help communities plan effectively. ---- === 16. A Greener Future === A changing climate presents challenges, but people can take action. A greener future can involve: * Clean and efficient energy * Sustainable agriculture * Protected forests * Healthy wetlands * Less waste * Cleaner transport * Efficient use of water * Climate-resilient communities Young people have an important role because today's decisions will affect the world they live in throughout their lives. ---- === 17. Practical Activity: Observe Your Environment === ==== Activity ==== Keep a simple weather diary for two weeks. Each day, record: * Temperature if a thermometer is available * Whether it rained * Approximate amount of rainfall if measurable * Cloud conditions * Wind conditions * Any unusual weather observations At the end of two weeks, discuss: # Which days were rainy? # Which days were dry? # Did the weather change from day to day? # Can two weeks of observations tell us the long-term climate of your area? Why or why not? # Why do scientists need measurements collected over many years to study climate? This activity helps students understand the difference between '''weather''' and '''climate'''. ---- === 18. Key Vocabulary === '''Climate:''' The long-term pattern of weather conditions in a particular area. '''Climate change:''' Long-term changes in the Earth's climate. '''Greenhouse gas:''' A gas that absorbs and re-emits infrared radiation, contributing to the greenhouse effect. '''Greenhouse effect:''' The natural process by which certain atmospheric gases help keep Earth warm. '''Global warming:''' The long-term increase in Earth's average surface temperature. '''Deforestation:''' The large-scale removal of forests or trees. '''Mitigation:''' Actions that reduce greenhouse gas emissions or increase greenhouse gas removal. '''Adaptation:''' Adjustments that help people and ecosystems cope with actual or expected climate changes. '''Renewable energy:''' Energy from sources that are naturally replenished, such as sunlight, wind, and flowing water. '''Resilience:''' The ability of people, communities, or ecosystems to prepare for, cope with, and recover from difficulties. ---- === 19. Questions for Discussion === # What is climate? # What is the difference between weather and climate? # What is climate change? # What is the greenhouse effect? # Name four human activities that contribute to greenhouse gas emissions. # How can climate change affect agriculture? # How can climate change affect water resources? # What is the difference between adaptation and mitigation? # How can forests help address climate change? # What can students do to help protect the environment? # Why is it important to collect climate information over many years? # How can your community prepare for climate-related risks? ---- === 20. Summary === Climate is the long-term pattern of weather in a place. '''Climate change''' refers to long-term changes in climate, including changes in temperature and rainfall patterns. The Earth's climate has changed naturally in the past, but human activities—particularly the burning of fossil fuels and changes in land use—have increased greenhouse gas concentrations and caused significant recent warming. Climate change can affect '''water, agriculture, forests, wildlife, human health, and communities'''. People can respond through two important approaches: * '''Mitigation:''' reducing the causes of climate change. * '''Adaptation:''' preparing for and adjusting to its effects. Everyone has a role to play in caring for our planet.<blockquote>'''Our world is changing, and our choices today can help shape the world of tomorrow.'''</blockquote> = References = 262zluvyemi0vg3xjg5c503l0iyq6i0 0 485500 4671626 4669977 2026-09-21T16:05:43Z ~2026-51162-08 3626481 4671626 wikitext text/x-wiki '''This page is for the BCS 201 Electric Rototiller made for Farmship Growers Cooperative/Haliburton Community Organic Farm.''' The design of the tiller system was inspired by Reid Allaway of Tournesol cooperative, Reid runs the DIY electric farmer facebook group, that is a good place to find out about electric tractors. The system is based around the following information The motor, the motor is permanent magnet synchronous machine motor ME1509 from Motoenergy, an american company. PMSM are highly efficient when run at the correct RPM and torque, the diagram for the me1509 is not available though this one form the me1507 shows the idea https://www.thunderstruck-ev.com/images/companies/1/ME1507dyno.pdf?1518651550248 the me1507 when run at 5000 rpm would be 100% efficient meaning that electrical power inputed would be fully applied as output power at the shaft. The BCS 201 has a reduction gear box, 12:75 or ~ 7:1 reduction. The output RPM for a tiller should be about 540 rpm so with a 7:1 gear ratio 3780. I.e. the motor used should have high efficiency at 3780 RPM the motenergy 1509 is efficient in the range of 2500-3500 rpm so an ideal motor. The power of the motor is determined by how much heat it can disappate as well as the input power. In theory since the windings of a motor are low resistance you can put as much energy into the motor as you would like, but it shouldn't overheat and melt the windings. So the motor power is essentially power in keeping in mind the rate at which the motor dissapates energy. So when making garden beds, check that the motor is not above ~70 C. It should feel warm but not feel like it is burning. It is possible to put a cycleanalyst display on the motor that can read the motor temperature as their is a sensor in the motor. The battery for the electric tractor should output sufficent power to provide the necessary torque for doing the job at the tines. The gas motors on rototillers are typically 5-10 hp, a 5000 watt motor will output approximately 5.6 hp so in the correct range. At 3600 rpm the torque of 5000 watts motor (torque = power/RPM) is 13Nm, with the 7:1 reduction gear and an efficiency factor of .8 72.8Nm so in theory the 5kw motor will deliver the torque required. Reid Allaway designed a similar tiller and found that the motor was adequate to do the job with a kelly motor controller that delivers peak amps of 200. So a 48 volt battery (potential) with 100 ah (capacity) that can run at 2C (rate) will deliver 4000-8000 watts of power to the motor drive shaft (efficiency factor of .8 included) The motor controller used in this project is a Cheetah motor controller. It is sinuoisdal brushless DC motor controller meaning it works from a computerized programming detecting the magnetic fields of the motor and not using commutator brushes. The control circuit is relatively simple as outlined [https://media.kellycontroller.com/new/Kelly-Cheetah-series-KLS-SUserManual.pdf Kelly Cheetah Motor Controller Guide] you can see on page 13 of the manual the circuit for connecting the motor controller to the motor Important elements are a 200 amp fuse on the positive line of the controller that prevents overcurrent. The next element is a contactor that is has a coil that closes the circuit to the battery this is then connected to the battery pack and on the negative side of the pack to the low voltage.. The positive of the battery pack is also connected to a key witch then when closed powers the controller as well as the contactor coil. There's also the hall sensor connections to the motor which are the power, the three sensor signals and the ground. Their is a directional switch which is determines the direction of the motor and a throttle and diode on the contactor coil which prevents current flow in reverse direction on the power input of the controller In practice the circuit that runs the motor had two important glitches, first was proper electrical crimps, the kelly contoller connects are automotive connectors '''they should be crimped by having the wire at the first set of tongs and the bare wire at the second, the covered wire secures the crimp in place and the bare wire connects. One of the connectors is currently partially loose and should be plug and secured tightly to start up the tractor. This will need to be repeated all connections are secure.''' The motor itself is connected to the gearbox by an adaptor plate, the motor driveshaft should be centered on the bearing exactly, this is tricky if you try as I did to line up the holes with measurement of the bolt holes, what worked was to machine the motor coupler to fit between the bearing and the motor shaft thus perfectly centering the plate. The motor is bolted to the plate by machining a square hole in the plate with the milling machine sufficienty wide to accomodate the motor shaft bolting the motor to the plate, the alignment occurs by aligning the plate to the gearbox pretty much at any angle but square is sastifying. '''Because the electronics are currently too close to the ground a new adaptor plate will need to be machined with the plate to the side. Motor connections need to contained with a sock that is sewed.\''' '''Battery Frame''' The frame was built in a bit of slipshod manner by bolting together. A key idea is to have battery swap allowing for extended work times by swapping batteries. The current situation is a 15 amp charger that can charge the 100 ah battery in ~ 7 hours a level '''a 32 amp level 2 charger could be installed on farmships current electrical system''', this would allow for full charge in just over three hours, a system like this could also charge 4 batteries on an overnight charge that would allow for 4 hours of working time during the day. It would be possible to carry '''two batteries''' on the tractor at once. '''The comment was the center of mass of the tractor was too high. Rotating the battery 90 degrees would help or two batteries on either side of the tractor would also be possible''' '''Motor drive shaft''' {{shelves}} j2cxoihb82bioy3i8rt9udjx7lj99n0 4671627 4671626 2026-09-21T16:25:19Z ~2026-51162-08 3626481 4671627 wikitext text/x-wiki '''This page is for the BCS 201 Electric Rototiller made for Farmship Growers Cooperative/Haliburton Community Organic Farm.''' The design of the tiller system was inspired by Reid Allaway of Tournesol cooperative, Reid runs the DIY electric farmer facebook group, that is a good place to find out about electric tractors. The system is based around the following information The motor, the motor is permanent magnet synchronous machine motor ME1509 from Motoenergy, an american company. PMSM are highly efficient when run at the correct RPM and torque, the diagram for the me1509 is not available though this one form the me1507 shows the idea https://www.thunderstruck-ev.com/images/companies/1/ME1507dyno.pdf?1518651550248 the me1507 when run at 5000 rpm would be 100% efficient meaning that electrical power inputed would be fully applied as output power at the shaft. The BCS 201 has a reduction gear box, 12:75 or ~ 7:1 reduction. The output RPM for a tiller should be about 540 rpm so with a 7:1 gear ratio 3780. I.e. the motor used should have high efficiency at 3780 RPM the motenergy 1509 is efficient in the range of 2500-3500 rpm so an ideal motor. The power of the motor is determined by how much heat it can disappate as well as the input power. In theory since the windings of a motor are low resistance you can put as much energy into the motor as you would like, but it shouldn't overheat and melt the windings. So the motor power is essentially power in keeping in mind the rate at which the motor dissapates energy. So when making garden beds, check that the motor is not above ~70 C. It should feel warm but not feel like it is burning. It is possible to put a cycleanalyst display on the motor that can read the motor temperature as their is a sensor in the motor. The battery for the electric tractor should output sufficent power to provide the necessary torque for doing the job at the tines. The gas motors on rototillers are typically 5-10 hp, a 5000 watt motor will output approximately 5.6 hp so in the correct range. At 3600 rpm the torque of 5000 watts motor (torque = power/RPM) is 13Nm, with the 7:1 reduction gear and an efficiency factor of .8 72.8Nm so in theory the 5kw motor will deliver the torque required. Reid Allaway designed a similar tiller and found that the motor was adequate to do the job with a kelly motor controller that delivers peak amps of 200. So a 48 volt battery (potential) with 100 ah (capacity) that can run at 2C (rate) will deliver 4000-8000 watts of power to the motor drive shaft (efficiency factor of .8 included) The motor controller used in this project is a Cheetah motor controller. It is sinuoisdal brushless DC motor controller meaning it works from a computerized programming detecting the magnetic fields of the motor and not using commutator brushes. The control circuit is relatively simple as outlined [https://media.kellycontroller.com/new/Kelly-Cheetah-series-KLS-SUserManual.pdf Kelly Cheetah Motor Controller Guide] you can see on page 13 of the manual the circuit for connecting the motor controller to the motor Important elements are a 200 amp fuse on the positive line of the controller that prevents overcurrent. The next element is a contactor that is has a coil that closes the circuit to the battery this is then connected to the battery pack and on the negative side of the pack to the low voltage.. The positive of the battery pack is also connected to a key witch then when closed powers the controller as well as the contactor coil. There's also the hall sensor connections to the motor which are the power, the three sensor signals and the ground. Their is a directional switch which is determines the direction of the motor and a throttle and diode on the contactor coil which prevents current flow in reverse direction on the power input of the controller In practice the circuit that runs the motor had two important glitches, first was proper electrical crimps, the kelly contoller connects are automotive connectors '''they should be crimped by having the wire at the first set of tongs and the bare wire at the second, the covered wire secures the crimp in place and the bare wire connects. One of the connectors is currently partially loose and should be plug and secured tightly to start up the tractor. This will need to be repeated all connections are secure.''' The motor itself is connected to the gearbox by an adaptor plate, the motor driveshaft should be centered on the bearing exactly, this is tricky if you try as I did to line up the holes with measurement of the bolt holes, what worked was to machine the motor coupler to fit between the bearing and the motor shaft thus perfectly centering the plate. The motor is bolted to the plate by machining a square hole in the plate with the milling machine sufficienty wide to accomodate the motor shaft bolting the motor to the plate, the alignment occurs by aligning the plate to the gearbox pretty much at any angle but square is sastifying. '''Because the electronics are currently too close to the ground a new adaptor plate will need to be machined with the plate to the side. Motor connections need to contained with a sock that is sewed.\''' '''Battery Frame''' The frame was built in a bit of slipshod manner by bolting together. A key idea is to have battery swap allowing for extended work times by swapping batteries. The current situation is a 15 amp charger that can charge the 100 ah battery in ~ 7 hours a level '''a 32 amp level 2 charger could be installed on farmships current electrical system''', this would allow for full charge in just over three hours, a system like this could also charge 4 batteries on an overnight charge that would allow for 4 hours of working time during the day. It would be possible to carry '''two batteries''' on the tractor at once. '''The comment was the center of mass of the tractor was too high. Rotating the battery 90 degrees would help or two batteries on either side of the tractor would also be possible''' '''Motor drive shaft''' You can look at the drawings from the tractor manufacturer to see inside the gearbox. In the case of the BCS 201 their was a large reduction gear that connects to the motor driveshaft. Gear The first thing to do is to calculate the module of the gear. Module is the ratio of the diameter of the gear to the number of teeth. (m=d/z) (d in millimetres) If you think about the relationship circumference = pi*d this gives you the idea that the module is essentially the inverse of the number of teeth per millimeter of circumference divided by pi. this is confusing to me as well, but what I am trying to say is that for two gears to mesh they should have the same module. I initially 3d printed a gear that I designed in cad, problem with this is that it sheared apart immediately after applying the motor torque. Theirs also the pressure angle of the gear, which is the angle between the circumference tangent and the gear tooth profile, essentially the sharpness of the gear. It should again match as close as possible. In the end I purchased a gear from aliexpress that was module 2 twelve teeth with pressure angle 20 that is standard. I'll come back to the gear Shaft The shaft is the simplest part, to extend the motor driveshaft you need a piece of keyed motor stock that is the same diameter of your motor axle, it can be to length to fit inside the gearbox, thiniking of it now I realize the original motor shaft was resting on a bearing to increase strength, something that I didn't acheive by shortening the shaft, '''probably should lengthen the drive shaft to rest on the bearing on the far side of gearbox.''' Coupler Coupler, the standard way of attaching a coupler is with a set screw from the side, pressumably into the keyed shaft. I'll get to this soon but basically we machined the coupler to fit in the bearing of the gearbox so tight that it didn't slip, put a key in the motor shaft and axle and then spot welded motor shaft to the coupler, not pretty but hey it worked. {{shelves}} 5uc0gxwpatw4qwahfykia1jd0d0ohz5 0 485519 4671638 4669781 2026-09-21T17:51:45Z ~2026-51010-27 3626489 Initial setup for this year's skeleton code, using headings from previous years. 4671638 wikitext text/x-wiki {{delete|This does not appear to be a book.|There has been a page of this every year on wikibooks, and by the time the exam rolls around it's been a crowdwritten education book. I've created an account just to save this, I teach CS A-Level, and this site is a precious source of information and exercises to students and teachers without access to the paid-for resources one education publisher puts out every year. Could an editor please remove the delete tag?}} This is for the 2027 AQA A-level Computer Science Specification (7517). This is where suggestions can be made about what some of the questions might be and how we can solve them. '''Please be respectful and do not vandalise the page, as this may affect students' preparation for exams!'''<blockquote> This year Skeleton Program is called "Pile O' Tiles", a two player (arguably multiplayer, see below) version of the classic match-2 memory game.</blockquote> == From AQA's preliminary material document: == <blockquote>Piles O’ Tiles is a tile matching memory game. The board consists of a two-dimensional grid containing piles of tiles. The tiles are face-down so players cannot see what is on the tiles. Each tile has a symbol (an uppercase letter) and a points value. Players take it in turn to choose two piles. The top tile of those two piles is turned over so that all players can see what is on those tiles. If the two tiles have the same symbol on them then they are removed from the piles and the points for the two tiles are added to the player’s score. The two tiles are then added to a discard. If the two tiles do not have the same symbol on them then they are turned face-down again and put back on the piles they came from. When the game ends the player with the highest score is the winner. In the Skeleton Program the board is shown as a two-dimensional grid with x and y coordinates. Each pile is shown as an integer value that denotes the number of tiles currently in the pile.</blockquote> Then a diagram showing the game's display, with a 6x6 board, rendered as a grid with the origin in the bottom left, row numbers on the left, and column numbers on the bottom<blockquote>In the Skeleton Program there is a default version of the game that uses a 6×6 grid. It is also possible to load a game from a file. The Data File game1.txt contains a game that can be loaded instead of using the default game. </blockquote> The content of game1.txt: 16 2,A,1,E,1,H,3,J,2 0,E,1,Q,4,K,4,J,2,J,2 0,O,1,E,1,H,3 0,O,1,E,1,H,3 0,A,1,E,1,H,3 0,A,1,H,1,H,3 0,E,1,E,1,H,3 0,A,1,Q,4,F,3 0,U,1,E,1,H,3 0,A,1,E,1,H,3 4,U,5,E,1,K,4 2,A,1,K,4,H,3 0,A,1,E,1,K,1 0,R,1,K,3,H,3 0,R,1,F,3,K,7 0,A,1,E,1,H,3 2 Boris,0 Poppy,0 15 0 0 == Section D mark distribution comparison == Mark distribution for this year: '''- TK''' (please fill in if you have the EAD) These marks include the screen capture(s), so the marks for the coding will be 1-2 marks lower. * The 2026 paper 1 contained 4 questions: a 5 mark, an 8 mark and two 12 mark questions. * The 2025 paper 1 contained 4 questions: a 5 mark, a 6 mark and two 14 mark questions. * The 2024 paper 1 contained 4 questions: a 5 mark, a 6 mark and two 14 mark questions. * The 2023 paper 1 contained 4 questions: a 5 mark, a 9 mark, a 10 mark and one 13 mark question. * The 2022 paper 1 contained 4 questions: a 5 mark, a 9 mark, a 11 mark and one 13 mark question. * The 2021 paper 1 contained 4 questions: a 6 mark, an 8 mark, a 9 mark and one 14 mark question. * The 2020 paper 1 contained 4 questions: a 6 mark, an 8 mark, a 11 mark and one 12 mark question. * The 2019 paper 1 contained 4 questions: a 5 mark, an 8 mark, a 9 mark and one 13 mark question. * The 2018 paper 1 contained 5 questions: a 2 mark, a 5 mark, two 9 mark and one 12 mark question. * The 2017 paper 1 contained 5 questions: a 5 mark, three 6 mark and one 12 mark question. {{shelves}} 07ibh75l59nrcjvbvocspq00or9fpui 4671647 4671638 2026-09-21T18:36:53Z ~2026-51010-27 3626489 Added annotated game and save file, and predictions/exercises for Section D. 4671647 wikitext text/x-wiki {{delete|This does not appear to be a book.|There has been a page of this every year on wikibooks, and by the time the exam rolls around it's been a crowdwritten education book. I've created an account just to save this, I teach CS A-Level, and this site is a precious source of information and exercises to students and teachers without access to the paid-for resources one education publisher puts out every year. Could an editor please remove the delete tag?}} This is for the 2027 AQA A-level Computer Science Specification (7517). This is where suggestions can be made about what some of the questions might be and how we can solve them. '''Please be respectful and do not vandalise the page, as this may affect students' preparation for exams!'''<blockquote> This year Skeleton Program is called "Pile O' Tiles", a two player (arguably multiplayer, see below) version of the classic match-2 memory game.</blockquote> == From AQA's preliminary material document: == <blockquote>Piles O’ Tiles is a tile matching memory game. The board consists of a two-dimensional grid containing piles of tiles. The tiles are face-down so players cannot see what is on the tiles. Each tile has a symbol (an uppercase letter) and a points value. Players take it in turn to choose two piles. The top tile of those two piles is turned over so that all players can see what is on those tiles. If the two tiles have the same symbol on them then they are removed from the piles and the points for the two tiles are added to the player’s score. The two tiles are then added to a discard. If the two tiles do not have the same symbol on them then they are turned face-down again and put back on the piles they came from. When the game ends the player with the highest score is the winner. In the Skeleton Program the board is shown as a two-dimensional grid with x and y coordinates. Each pile is shown as an integer value that denotes the number of tiles currently in the pile.</blockquote> Then a diagram showing the game's display, with a 6x6 board, rendered as a grid with the origin in the bottom left, row numbers on the left, and column numbers on the bottom<blockquote>In the Skeleton Program there is a default version of the game that uses a 6×6 grid. It is also possible to load a game from a file. The Data File game1.txt contains a game that can be loaded instead of using the default game. </blockquote>The AQA doc has the content of game1.txt, but we can do better. == Annotated game1.txt == 16 # Grid size in Nsquares - the grid is the a square of side sqrt of that 2,A,1,E,1,H,3,J,2 # Those are piles (of tiles) 0,E,1,Q,4,K,4,J,2,J,2 # arranged linearly (here, 16 of them) 0,O,1,E,1,H,3 # the first element is the bonus for the tile, 0,O,1,E,1,H,3 # then pairs of letters, score 0,A,1,E,1,H,3 0,A,1,H,1,H,3 0,E,1,E,1,H,3 0,A,1,Q,4,F,3 0,U,1,E,1,H,3 0,A,1,E,1,H,3 4,U,5,E,1,K,4 2,A,1,K,4,H,3 0,A,1,E,1,K,1 0,R,1,K,3,H,3 0,R,1,F,3,K,7 0,A,1,E,1,H,3 2 # Number of players Boris,0 # player name, score Poppy,0 # Discard, in pairs of letters, score - here it's empty 15 # max score 0 # whose turn it is (0 is player 1, Boris) 0 # turns since the the last winning move (matching tiles) by any player # Gamefiles are saves of the gamestate, but here this is the start of a game. ## From [[github:WBgrok/AQA-SKCD-2027/tree/main|https://github.com/WBgrok/AQA-SKCD-2027]] ## Courtesy of [https://www.youtube.com/@MrBerard MrBerard] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4n29LNaFdsE 😎👉👉 == Annotated Skeleton Code == 👉https://github.com/WBgrok/AQA-SKCD-2027/blob/main/Annotated.py == Section D mark distribution comparison == Mark distribution for this year: '''- TK''' (please fill in if you have the EAD) These marks include the screen capture(s), so the marks for the coding will be 1-2 marks lower. * The 2026 paper 1 contained 4 questions: a 5 mark, an 8 mark and two 12 mark questions. * The 2025 paper 1 contained 4 questions: a 5 mark, a 6 mark and two 14 mark questions. * The 2024 paper 1 contained 4 questions: a 5 mark, a 6 mark and two 14 mark questions. * The 2023 paper 1 contained 4 questions: a 5 mark, a 9 mark, a 10 mark and one 13 mark question. * The 2022 paper 1 contained 4 questions: a 5 mark, a 9 mark, a 11 mark and one 13 mark question. * The 2021 paper 1 contained 4 questions: a 6 mark, an 8 mark, a 9 mark and one 14 mark question. * The 2020 paper 1 contained 4 questions: a 6 mark, an 8 mark, a 11 mark and one 12 mark question. * The 2019 paper 1 contained 4 questions: a 5 mark, an 8 mark, a 9 mark and one 13 mark question. * The 2018 paper 1 contained 5 questions: a 2 mark, a 5 mark, two 9 mark and one 12 mark question. * The 2017 paper 1 contained 5 questions: a 5 mark, three 6 mark and one 12 mark question. == Section D practice tasks / predictions == === Input validation === Currently the player can enter data in response to __ChoosePile() (real exam question tell you where to intervene) that will break the game. 🌶️Assume the user will enter an int, but keep on asking the coordinate until it is within the bounds. 🌶️🌶️ the user can't be trusted to not drool on the keyboard or smth. also check it's an int. If it isn't you should display an error message - feel free to make it very sarcastic, before asking the coordinate again === The one that explains from math import sqrt === ⚠️The fact we go in with N piles, then need to import mths sqrt may indicate a task using sqrt, which would hint at a task using it. Given the setup, this has got to be distance between two piles. Hence: 🌶️🌶️🌶️Change the scoring of a matching pair by adding to the tile scores the distance between the two matched piles, rounded down to the nearest integer. ==== Test ==== TK - === Pile clear bonus === The game supports ''almost'' everything so that when a player match empties a pile, they get a bonus score. The one thing that's missing is in the scoring. 🌶️🌶️ Change the scoring so that if a match empties a pile, the bonus for the pile is awarded to the player. You'll need to add a getter for Pile._Bonus. ==== Test ==== Two cases, as it's possible to empty one or both piles with a match. -game1 tells you which piles have the same sequence, that will give you a match that should score both bonus - there's a test sequence to be found that will have one of the player score a single match. === Making the game both more and less boring === At the moment -certainly in the early game, the default game can be a bit boring, because every pile is the same: an A-tile, for one point a B tile for 2, another A,1. We can make the game less boring, but also longer, so more boring: 👉 Instead of the default game have all the same piles, keep the same proportion (that's 72 A,1, 36 B,2), but build the pile at random. Basic: If you use a random draw, the game might end up not being endable by zero tiles, but no one gets that far anyway. Fancy: actually draw 72 A1 and 36 B2, as if from a pile of tile, to randomly make the board === Party mode === The architecture of the game, and what's visible in game1.txt means the game can support an arbitrary number of players. It is just that both the hard-coded default mode and the save file happen to have two players It's lucky, because although any player can hit the maximum score at which the game ends, the winner is always whoever between player 1 and 2 has the highest score, which is enough to run a 6-player AQA skeleton code gaming night like many Y13 enjoy. So you'll need to fix that. 🌶️🌶️🌶️ When starting a default game, it should default to a 6x6 board, and whatever basic pile o' tiles layout we're running (see 'making the game both more and less boring'), but then ask for number of players (validate for an int >0), then, for each, their names (no validation). You will need to fix the scoring bug, although testing that would require engineering a three-way game that ends with a win of the third one. === Saving === If you've read the code closely, you'll have noticed the game1.txt is not just a description of game ''configuration'' - it is in fact a game ''save.'' If you've just run the game, you won't have noticed, because game1 is a save at the very start of the game. So they've given you a ''load'' function. Do you see what's coming over the horizon? 👉Add a new menu item "S Save game". This should then call a new method on the Game class, which asks the user for a savename, and writes the game to a file, appending .txt, in the format of game1.txt - here too, you'll need a Pile.GetBonus(). ttihwre9ql8jwgpyylf472ann6zl1w5 4671649 4671647 2026-09-21T18:41:25Z ~2026-51010-27 3626489 /* Section D practice tasks / predictions */ - distinguished predictions from practice tasks with confidence ratings 4671649 wikitext text/x-wiki {{delete|This does not appear to be a book.|There has been a page of this every year on wikibooks, and by the time the exam rolls around it's been a crowdwritten education book. I've created an account just to save this, I teach CS A-Level, and this site is a precious source of information and exercises to students and teachers without access to the paid-for resources one education publisher puts out every year. Could an editor please remove the delete tag?}} This is for the 2027 AQA A-level Computer Science Specification (7517). This is where suggestions can be made about what some of the questions might be and how we can solve them. '''Please be respectful and do not vandalise the page, as this may affect students' preparation for exams!'''<blockquote> This year Skeleton Program is called "Pile O' Tiles", a two player (arguably multiplayer, see below) version of the classic match-2 memory game.</blockquote> == From AQA's preliminary material document: == <blockquote>Piles O’ Tiles is a tile matching memory game. The board consists of a two-dimensional grid containing piles of tiles. The tiles are face-down so players cannot see what is on the tiles. Each tile has a symbol (an uppercase letter) and a points value. Players take it in turn to choose two piles. The top tile of those two piles is turned over so that all players can see what is on those tiles. If the two tiles have the same symbol on them then they are removed from the piles and the points for the two tiles are added to the player’s score. The two tiles are then added to a discard. If the two tiles do not have the same symbol on them then they are turned face-down again and put back on the piles they came from. When the game ends the player with the highest score is the winner. In the Skeleton Program the board is shown as a two-dimensional grid with x and y coordinates. Each pile is shown as an integer value that denotes the number of tiles currently in the pile.</blockquote> Then a diagram showing the game's display, with a 6x6 board, rendered as a grid with the origin in the bottom left, row numbers on the left, and column numbers on the bottom<blockquote>In the Skeleton Program there is a default version of the game that uses a 6×6 grid. It is also possible to load a game from a file. The Data File game1.txt contains a game that can be loaded instead of using the default game. </blockquote>The AQA doc has the content of game1.txt, but we can do better. == Annotated game1.txt == 16 # Grid size in Nsquares - the grid is the a square of side sqrt of that 2,A,1,E,1,H,3,J,2 # Those are piles (of tiles) 0,E,1,Q,4,K,4,J,2,J,2 # arranged linearly (here, 16 of them) 0,O,1,E,1,H,3 # the first element is the bonus for the tile, 0,O,1,E,1,H,3 # then pairs of letters, score 0,A,1,E,1,H,3 0,A,1,H,1,H,3 0,E,1,E,1,H,3 0,A,1,Q,4,F,3 0,U,1,E,1,H,3 0,A,1,E,1,H,3 4,U,5,E,1,K,4 2,A,1,K,4,H,3 0,A,1,E,1,K,1 0,R,1,K,3,H,3 0,R,1,F,3,K,7 0,A,1,E,1,H,3 2 # Number of players Boris,0 # player name, score Poppy,0 # Discard, in pairs of letters, score - here it's empty 15 # max score 0 # whose turn it is (0 is player 1, Boris) 0 # turns since the the last winning move (matching tiles) by any player # Gamefiles are saves of the gamestate, but here this is the start of a game. ## From [[github:WBgrok/AQA-SKCD-2027/tree/main|https://github.com/WBgrok/AQA-SKCD-2027]] ## Courtesy of [https://www.youtube.com/@MrBerard MrBerard] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4n29LNaFdsE 😎👉👉 == Annotated Skeleton Code == 👉https://github.com/WBgrok/AQA-SKCD-2027/blob/main/Annotated.py == Section D mark distribution comparison == Mark distribution for this year: '''- TK''' (please fill in if you have the EAD) These marks include the screen capture(s), so the marks for the coding will be 1-2 marks lower. * The 2026 paper 1 contained 4 questions: a 5 mark, an 8 mark and two 12 mark questions. * The 2025 paper 1 contained 4 questions: a 5 mark, a 6 mark and two 14 mark questions. * The 2024 paper 1 contained 4 questions: a 5 mark, a 6 mark and two 14 mark questions. * The 2023 paper 1 contained 4 questions: a 5 mark, a 9 mark, a 10 mark and one 13 mark question. * The 2022 paper 1 contained 4 questions: a 5 mark, a 9 mark, a 11 mark and one 13 mark question. * The 2021 paper 1 contained 4 questions: a 6 mark, an 8 mark, a 9 mark and one 14 mark question. * The 2020 paper 1 contained 4 questions: a 6 mark, an 8 mark, a 11 mark and one 12 mark question. * The 2019 paper 1 contained 4 questions: a 5 mark, an 8 mark, a 9 mark and one 13 mark question. * The 2018 paper 1 contained 5 questions: a 2 mark, a 5 mark, two 9 mark and one 12 mark question. * The 2017 paper 1 contained 5 questions: a 5 mark, three 6 mark and one 12 mark question. == Section D practice / predicted tasks == === Input validation [high confidence] === Currently the player can enter data in response to __ChoosePile() (real exam question tell you where to intervene) that will break the game. 🌶️Assume the user will enter an int, but keep on asking the coordinate until it is within the bounds. 🌶️🌶️ the user can't be trusted to not drool on the keyboard or smth. also check it's an int. If it isn't you should display an error message - feel free to make it very sarcastic, before asking the coordinate again === The one that explains from math import sqrt [high confidence] === ⚠️The fact we go in with N piles, then need to import mths sqrt may indicate a task using sqrt, which would hint at a task using it. Given the setup, this has got to be distance between two piles. Hence: 🌶️🌶️🌶️Change the scoring of a matching pair by adding to the tile scores the distance between the two matched piles, rounded down to the nearest integer. ==== Test ==== TK - === Pile clear bonus [high confidence] === The game supports ''almost'' everything so that when a player match empties a pile, they get a bonus score. The one thing that's missing is in the scoring. 🌶️🌶️ Change the scoring so that if a match empties a pile, the bonus for the pile is awarded to the player. You'll need to add a getter for Pile._Bonus. ==== Test ==== Two cases, as it's possible to empty one or both piles with a match. -game1 tells you which piles have the same sequence, that will give you a match that should score both bonus - there's a test sequence to be found that will have one of the player score a single match. === Saving [med-high confidence] === If you've read the code closely, you'll have noticed the game1.txt is not just a description of game ''configuration'' - it is in fact a game ''save.'' If you've just run the game, you won't have noticed, because game1 is a save at the very start of the game. So they've given you a ''load'' function. Do you see what's coming over the horizon? 👉Add a new menu item "S Save game". This should then call a new method on the Game class, which asks the user for a savename, and writes the game to a file, appending .txt, in the format of game1.txt - here too, you'll need a Pile.GetBonus(). === Making the game both more and less boring [low, but good practice] === At the moment -certainly in the early game, the default game can be a bit boring, because every pile is the same: an A-tile, for one point a B tile for 2, another A,1. We can make the game less boring, but also longer, so more boring: 👉 Instead of the default game have all the same piles, keep the same proportion (that's 72 A,1, 36 B,2), but build the pile at random. Basic: If you use a random draw, the game might end up not being endable by zero tiles, but no one gets that far anyway. Fancy: actually draw 72 A1 and 36 B2, as if from a pile of tile, to randomly make the board === Party mode [low-mid confidence] === The architecture of the game, and what's visible in game1.txt means the game can support an arbitrary number of players. It is just that both the hard-coded default mode and the save file happen to have two players It's lucky, because although any player can hit the maximum score at which the game ends, the winner is always whoever between player 1 and 2 has the highest score, which is enough to run a 6-player AQA skeleton code gaming night like many Y13 enjoy. So you'll need to fix that. 🌶️🌶️🌶️ When starting a default game, it should default to a 6x6 board, and whatever basic pile o' tiles layout we're running (see 'making the game both more and less boring'), but then ask for number of players (validate for an int >0), then, for each, their names (no validation). You will need to fix the scoring bug, although testing that would require engineering a three-way game that ends with a win of the third one. 3on9wp305ajcl3wpxkq5qky5m49lrpe 4671652 4671649 2026-09-21T19:08:04Z ~2026-51010-27 3626489 Add more tasks 4671652 wikitext text/x-wiki {{delete|This does not appear to be a book.|There has been a page of this every year on wikibooks, and by the time the exam rolls around it's been a crowdwritten education book. I've created an account just to save this, I teach CS A-Level, and this site is a precious source of information and exercises to students and teachers without access to the paid-for resources one education publisher puts out every year. Could an editor please remove the delete tag?}} This is for the 2027 AQA A-level Computer Science Specification (7517). This is where suggestions can be made about what some of the questions might be and how we can solve them. '''Please be respectful and do not vandalise the page, as this may affect students' preparation for exams!'''<blockquote> This year Skeleton Program is called "Pile O' Tiles", a two player (arguably multiplayer, see below) version of the classic match-2 memory game.</blockquote> == From AQA's preliminary material document: == <blockquote>Piles O’ Tiles is a tile matching memory game. The board consists of a two-dimensional grid containing piles of tiles. The tiles are face-down so players cannot see what is on the tiles. Each tile has a symbol (an uppercase letter) and a points value. Players take it in turn to choose two piles. The top tile of those two piles is turned over so that all players can see what is on those tiles. If the two tiles have the same symbol on them then they are removed from the piles and the points for the two tiles are added to the player’s score. The two tiles are then added to a discard. If the two tiles do not have the same symbol on them then they are turned face-down again and put back on the piles they came from. When the game ends the player with the highest score is the winner. In the Skeleton Program the board is shown as a two-dimensional grid with x and y coordinates. Each pile is shown as an integer value that denotes the number of tiles currently in the pile.</blockquote> Then a diagram showing the game's display, with a 6x6 board, rendered as a grid with the origin in the bottom left, row numbers on the left, and column numbers on the bottom<blockquote>In the Skeleton Program there is a default version of the game that uses a 6×6 grid. It is also possible to load a game from a file. The Data File game1.txt contains a game that can be loaded instead of using the default game. </blockquote>The AQA doc has the content of game1.txt, but we can do better. == Annotated game1.txt == 16 # Grid size in Nsquares - the grid is the a square of side sqrt of that 2,A,1,E,1,H,3,J,2 # Those are piles (of tiles) 0,E,1,Q,4,K,4,J,2,J,2 # arranged linearly (here, 16 of them) 0,O,1,E,1,H,3 # the first element is the bonus for the tile, 0,O,1,E,1,H,3 # then pairs of letters, score 0,A,1,E,1,H,3 0,A,1,H,1,H,3 0,E,1,E,1,H,3 0,A,1,Q,4,F,3 0,U,1,E,1,H,3 0,A,1,E,1,H,3 4,U,5,E,1,K,4 2,A,1,K,4,H,3 0,A,1,E,1,K,1 0,R,1,K,3,H,3 0,R,1,F,3,K,7 0,A,1,E,1,H,3 2 # Number of players Boris,0 # player name, score Poppy,0 # Discard, in pairs of letters, score - here it's empty 15 # max score 0 # whose turn it is (0 is player 1, Boris) 0 # turns since the the last winning move (matching tiles) by any player # Gamefiles are saves of the gamestate, but here this is the start of a game. ## From [[github:WBgrok/AQA-SKCD-2027/tree/main|https://github.com/WBgrok/AQA-SKCD-2027]] ## Courtesy of [https://www.youtube.com/@MrBerard MrBerard] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4n29LNaFdsE 😎👉👉 == Annotated Skeleton Code == 👉https://github.com/WBgrok/AQA-SKCD-2027/blob/main/Annotated.py == Section D mark distribution comparison == Mark distribution for this year: '''- TK''' (please fill in if you have the EAD) These marks include the screen capture(s), so the marks for the coding will be 1-2 marks lower. * The 2026 paper 1 contained 4 questions: a 5 mark, an 8 mark and two 12 mark questions. * The 2025 paper 1 contained 4 questions: a 5 mark, a 6 mark and two 14 mark questions. * The 2024 paper 1 contained 4 questions: a 5 mark, a 6 mark and two 14 mark questions. * The 2023 paper 1 contained 4 questions: a 5 mark, a 9 mark, a 10 mark and one 13 mark question. * The 2022 paper 1 contained 4 questions: a 5 mark, a 9 mark, a 11 mark and one 13 mark question. * The 2021 paper 1 contained 4 questions: a 6 mark, an 8 mark, a 9 mark and one 14 mark question. * The 2020 paper 1 contained 4 questions: a 6 mark, an 8 mark, a 11 mark and one 12 mark question. * The 2019 paper 1 contained 4 questions: a 5 mark, an 8 mark, a 9 mark and one 13 mark question. * The 2018 paper 1 contained 5 questions: a 2 mark, a 5 mark, two 9 mark and one 12 mark question. * The 2017 paper 1 contained 5 questions: a 5 mark, three 6 mark and one 12 mark question. == Section D practice / predicted tasks == === Input validation [high confidence] === Currently the player can enter data in response to __ChoosePile() (real exam question tell you where to intervene) that will break the game. 🌶️Assume the user will enter an int, but keep on asking the coordinate until it is within the bounds. 🌶️🌶️ the user can't be trusted to not drool on the keyboard or smth. also check it's an int. If it isn't you should display an error message - feel free to make it very sarcastic, before asking the coordinate again === The one that explains from math import sqrt [high confidence] === ⚠️The fact we go in with N piles, then need to import mths sqrt may indicate a task using sqrt. Given the setup, this has got to be distance between two piles. Hence: 🌶️🌶️🌶️Change the scoring of a matching pair by adding to the tile scores the distance between the two matched piles, rounded down to the nearest integer. ==== Test ==== TK - === Pile clear bonus [high confidence] === The game supports ''almost'' everything so that when a player match empties a pile, they get a bonus score. The one thing that's missing is in the scoring. 🌶️🌶️ Change the scoring so that if a match empties a pile, the bonus for the pile is awarded to the player. You'll need to add a getter for Pile._Bonus. ==== Test ==== Two cases, as it's possible to empty one or both piles with a match. -game1.txt tells you which piles have the same sequence, that will give you a match that should score both bonus - there's a test sequence to be found that will have one of the player score a single match. === Saving [med-high confidence] === If you've read the code closely, you'll have noticed the game1.txt is not just a description of game ''configuration'' - it is in fact a game ''save.'' If you've just run the game, you won't have noticed, because game1 is a save at the very start of the game. So they've given you a ''load'' function. Do you see what's coming over the horizon? ==== 👉Add a new menu item "S Save game". This should then call a new method on the Game class, which asks the user for a savename, and writes the game to a file, appending .txt, in the format of game1.txt - here too, you'll need a Pile.GetBonus(). ==== === Making the game both more and less boring [low, but good practice] === At the moment -certainly in the early game, the default game can be a bit boring, because every pile is the same: an A-tile, for one point a B tile for 2, another A,1. We can make the game less boring, but also longer, and long-term excitement turns out quite boring: 👉 Instead of the default game have all the same piles, keep the same proportion (that's 72 A,1, 36 B,2), but build the pile at random. Basic: If you use a random draw, the game might end up not being endable by zero tiles, but no one gets that far anyway. Fancy: actually draw 72 A1 and 36 B2, as if from a pile of tile, to randomly make the board === Party mode [low-mid confidence] === The architecture of the game, and what's visible in game1.txt means the game can support an arbitrary number of players. It is just that both the hard-coded default mode and the save file happen to have two players It's lucky, because although any player can hit the maximum score at which the game ends, the winner is always whoever between player 1 and 2 has the highest score, which is enough to run a 6-player AQA skeleton code gaming night like many Y13 enjoy. So you'll need to fix that. 🌶️🌶️🌶️ When starting a default game, it should default to a 6x6 board, and whatever basic pile o' tiles layout we're running (see 'making the game both more and less boring'), but then ask for number of players (validate for an int >0), then, for each, their names (no validation). You will need to fix the scoring bug, although testing that would require engineering a three-way game that ends with a win of the third one. === Streak === Add an attribute to the Player class storing the number of consecutive wins initalising at zero , with a getter, as well as an increment() and reset() method. Add the value of the streak to the player score when scoring, we should increment if it was a win. If the turn was not a match, call reset() the streak counter to zero. === PSYCH! === * extend the Player class to store last_move, a [(x,y) (x,y)] list of tuples, and a WasMatch boolean, initialising to False * Also getters and setters for both * On every move, set the last_move record and the boolean accordingly. * Here's the psych: if the last move was a miss, AND in the current move the player has selected one of the same piles has their last failed move, ''swap the tiles'' of the last move, before turning them over, with a 10% chance, maybe 50% to test it - you'll need to import random either way. gb7xpn4b19787ikq0ul3949mz7ixhd1 4671669 4671652 2026-09-21T23:53:25Z TechVindicator 3626296 4671669 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Rfd}} I've created an account just to save this, I teach CS A-Level, and this site is a precious source of information and exercises to students and teachers without access to the paid-for resources one education publisher puts out every year. Could an editor please remove the delete tag?}} This is for the 2027 AQA A-level Computer Science Specification (7517). This is where suggestions can be made about what some of the questions might be and how we can solve them. '''Please be respectful and do not vandalise the page, as this may affect students' preparation for exams!'''<blockquote> This year Skeleton Program is called "Pile O' Tiles", a two player (arguably multiplayer, see below) version of the classic match-2 memory game.</blockquote> == From AQA's preliminary material document: == <blockquote>Piles O’ Tiles is a tile matching memory game. The board consists of a two-dimensional grid containing piles of tiles. The tiles are face-down so players cannot see what is on the tiles. Each tile has a symbol (an uppercase letter) and a points value. Players take it in turn to choose two piles. The top tile of those two piles is turned over so that all players can see what is on those tiles. If the two tiles have the same symbol on them then they are removed from the piles and the points for the two tiles are added to the player’s score. The two tiles are then added to a discard. If the two tiles do not have the same symbol on them then they are turned face-down again and put back on the piles they came from. When the game ends the player with the highest score is the winner. In the Skeleton Program the board is shown as a two-dimensional grid with x and y coordinates. Each pile is shown as an integer value that denotes the number of tiles currently in the pile.</blockquote> Then a diagram showing the game's display, with a 6x6 board, rendered as a grid with the origin in the bottom left, row numbers on the left, and column numbers on the bottom<blockquote>In the Skeleton Program there is a default version of the game that uses a 6×6 grid. It is also possible to load a game from a file. The Data File game1.txt contains a game that can be loaded instead of using the default game. </blockquote>The AQA doc has the content of game1.txt, but we can do better. == Annotated game1.txt == 16 # Grid size in Nsquares - the grid is the a square of side sqrt of that 2,A,1,E,1,H,3,J,2 # Those are piles (of tiles) 0,E,1,Q,4,K,4,J,2,J,2 # arranged linearly (here, 16 of them) 0,O,1,E,1,H,3 # the first element is the bonus for the tile, 0,O,1,E,1,H,3 # then pairs of letters, score 0,A,1,E,1,H,3 0,A,1,H,1,H,3 0,E,1,E,1,H,3 0,A,1,Q,4,F,3 0,U,1,E,1,H,3 0,A,1,E,1,H,3 4,U,5,E,1,K,4 2,A,1,K,4,H,3 0,A,1,E,1,K,1 0,R,1,K,3,H,3 0,R,1,F,3,K,7 0,A,1,E,1,H,3 2 # Number of players Boris,0 # player name, score Poppy,0 # Discard, in pairs of letters, score - here it's empty 15 # max score 0 # whose turn it is (0 is player 1, Boris) 0 # turns since the the last winning move (matching tiles) by any player # Gamefiles are saves of the gamestate, but here this is the start of a game. ## From [[github:WBgrok/AQA-SKCD-2027/tree/main|https://github.com/WBgrok/AQA-SKCD-2027]] ## Courtesy of [https://www.youtube.com/@MrBerard MrBerard] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4n29LNaFdsE 😎👉👉 == Annotated Skeleton Code == 👉https://github.com/WBgrok/AQA-SKCD-2027/blob/main/Annotated.py == Section D mark distribution comparison == Mark distribution for this year: '''- TK''' (please fill in if you have the EAD) These marks include the screen capture(s), so the marks for the coding will be 1-2 marks lower. * The 2026 paper 1 contained 4 questions: a 5 mark, an 8 mark and two 12 mark questions. * The 2025 paper 1 contained 4 questions: a 5 mark, a 6 mark and two 14 mark questions. * The 2024 paper 1 contained 4 questions: a 5 mark, a 6 mark and two 14 mark questions. * The 2023 paper 1 contained 4 questions: a 5 mark, a 9 mark, a 10 mark and one 13 mark question. * The 2022 paper 1 contained 4 questions: a 5 mark, a 9 mark, a 11 mark and one 13 mark question. * The 2021 paper 1 contained 4 questions: a 6 mark, an 8 mark, a 9 mark and one 14 mark question. * The 2020 paper 1 contained 4 questions: a 6 mark, an 8 mark, a 11 mark and one 12 mark question. * The 2019 paper 1 contained 4 questions: a 5 mark, an 8 mark, a 9 mark and one 13 mark question. * The 2018 paper 1 contained 5 questions: a 2 mark, a 5 mark, two 9 mark and one 12 mark question. * The 2017 paper 1 contained 5 questions: a 5 mark, three 6 mark and one 12 mark question. == Section D practice / predicted tasks == === Input validation [high confidence] === Currently the player can enter data in response to __ChoosePile() (real exam question tell you where to intervene) that will break the game. 🌶️Assume the user will enter an int, but keep on asking the coordinate until it is within the bounds. 🌶️🌶️ the user can't be trusted to not drool on the keyboard or smth. also check it's an int. If it isn't you should display an error message - feel free to make it very sarcastic, before asking the coordinate again === The one that explains from math import sqrt [high confidence] === ⚠️The fact we go in with N piles, then need to import mths sqrt may indicate a task using sqrt. Given the setup, this has got to be distance between two piles. Hence: 🌶️🌶️🌶️Change the scoring of a matching pair by adding to the tile scores the distance between the two matched piles, rounded down to the nearest integer. ==== Test ==== TK - === Pile clear bonus [high confidence] === The game supports ''almost'' everything so that when a player match empties a pile, they get a bonus score. The one thing that's missing is in the scoring. 🌶️🌶️ Change the scoring so that if a match empties a pile, the bonus for the pile is awarded to the player. You'll need to add a getter for Pile._Bonus. ==== Test ==== Two cases, as it's possible to empty one or both piles with a match. -game1.txt tells you which piles have the same sequence, that will give you a match that should score both bonus - there's a test sequence to be found that will have one of the player score a single match. === Saving [med-high confidence] === If you've read the code closely, you'll have noticed the game1.txt is not just a description of game ''configuration'' - it is in fact a game ''save.'' If you've just run the game, you won't have noticed, because game1 is a save at the very start of the game. So they've given you a ''load'' function. Do you see what's coming over the horizon? ==== 👉Add a new menu item "S Save game". This should then call a new method on the Game class, which asks the user for a savename, and writes the game to a file, appending .txt, in the format of game1.txt - here too, you'll need a Pile.GetBonus(). ==== === Making the game both more and less boring [low, but good practice] === At the moment -certainly in the early game, the default game can be a bit boring, because every pile is the same: an A-tile, for one point a B tile for 2, another A,1. We can make the game less boring, but also longer, and long-term excitement turns out quite boring: 👉 Instead of the default game have all the same piles, keep the same proportion (that's 72 A,1, 36 B,2), but build the pile at random. Basic: If you use a random draw, the game might end up not being endable by zero tiles, but no one gets that far anyway. Fancy: actually draw 72 A1 and 36 B2, as if from a pile of tile, to randomly make the board === Party mode [low-mid confidence] === The architecture of the game, and what's visible in game1.txt means the game can support an arbitrary number of players. It is just that both the hard-coded default mode and the save file happen to have two players It's lucky, because although any player can hit the maximum score at which the game ends, the winner is always whoever between player 1 and 2 has the highest score, which is enough to run a 6-player AQA skeleton code gaming night like many Y13 enjoy. So you'll need to fix that. 🌶️🌶️🌶️ When starting a default game, it should default to a 6x6 board, and whatever basic pile o' tiles layout we're running (see 'making the game both more and less boring'), but then ask for number of players (validate for an int >0), then, for each, their names (no validation). You will need to fix the scoring bug, although testing that would require engineering a three-way game that ends with a win of the third one. === Streak === Add an attribute to the Player class storing the number of consecutive wins initalising at zero , with a getter, as well as an increment() and reset() method. Add the value of the streak to the player score when scoring, we should increment if it was a win. 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'''Don't take anything in the book too seriously'''. * You can use this book for citations in [[Wikipedia]] and other self-published books. {{BookCat}} 6kqfdhp11411dhpjna62ffv4qf1eobt 102 485740 4671664 4671589 2026-09-21T23:45:06Z Kittycataclysm 3371989 style, format, language, links 4671664 wikitext text/x-wiki __NOTOC__ {{recipe summary | servings = 1 | time = | difficulty = 2 | image = [[File:Pizza aux poivrons.JPG|300px]] | energy = <!-- Should if provided contain the number of calories and cal (can include kJ)--> | note = }} {{recipe}} '''Pizza with peppers''' is a hot dish. == Ingredients == * [[Cookbook:Oil and Fat|Oil]] * 1 [[Cookbook:Onion|onion]], [[Cookbook:Chopping|chopped]] * 1 red [[Cookbook:Bell Pepper|bell pepper]], [[Cookbook:Dice|diced]] * 1 yellow bell pepper, with 4 rings sliced off and the rest diced * 1 small ball pizza dough (enough for a single personal pizza) * 400 [[Cookbook:Gram|g]] crushed [[Cookbook:Tomato|tomatoes]] * 120 g [[Cookbook:Mozzarella Cheese|mozzarella]] cheese, diced * 50 g [[Cookbook:Comté|comté]] cheese, [[Cookbook:Grating|grated]] * 10 slices of [[Cookbook:Chorizo|chorizo]] == Procedure == #Heat a dash of oil in a [[Cookbook:Skillet|skillet]] over low heat. Add the onion and diced bell peppers, and cook, stirring, for half an hour. #Stretch and roll the pizza dough out to about 8–12 inches (20–30 cm) in diameter, and place in a [[Cookbook:Pizza Pan|pizza pan]] or on a [[Cookbook:Baking Sheet|sheet pan]]. #Top the dough with the tomatoes, then the cooked onion-pepper mixture. #Scatter the cheeses evenly over top, then arrange the 4 reserved pepper rings decoratively on top. #[[Cookbook:Baking|Bake]] for 10 minutes at 220°C (430°F), then top with the chorizo and bake for another 5 minutes. [[fr:Livre de cuisine/Pizza aux poivrons]] [[Category:Recipes for pizza]] [[Category:Recipes using onion]] [[Category:Recipes using red bell pepper]] [[Category:Recipes using yellow bell pepper]] [[Category:Recipes using mozzarella]] [[Category:Recipes using chorizo]] [[Category:Recipes using tomato]] opx2oun0e5c2i4dgq2w9hvdpuc1cr90 4671665 4671664 2026-09-21T23:48:51Z TechVindicator 3626296 removing imperial measurements 4671665 wikitext text/x-wiki __NOTOC__ {{recipe summary | servings = 1 | time = | difficulty = 2 | image = [[File:Pizza aux poivrons.JPG|300px]] | energy = <!-- Should if provided contain the number of calories and cal (can include kJ)--> | note = }} {{recipe}} '''Pizza with peppers''' is a hot dish. == Ingredients == * [[Cookbook:Oil and Fat|Oil]] * 1 [[Cookbook:Onion|onion]], [[Cookbook:Chopping|chopped]] * 1 red [[Cookbook:Bell Pepper|bell pepper]], [[Cookbook:Dice|diced]] * 1 yellow bell pepper, with 4 rings sliced off and the rest diced * 1 small ball pizza dough (enough for a single personal pizza) * 400 [[Cookbook:Gram|g]] crushed [[Cookbook:Tomato|tomatoes]] * 120 g [[Cookbook:Mozzarella Cheese|mozzarella]] cheese, diced * 50 g [[Cookbook:Comté|comté]] cheese, [[Cookbook:Grating|grated]] * 10 slices of [[Cookbook:Chorizo|chorizo]] == Procedure == #Heat a dash of oil in a [[Cookbook:Saucepan|saucepan]] over low heat. Add the onion and diced bell peppers, and cook, stirring, for half an hour. #Stretch and roll the pizza dough out to about 8–12 inches (20–30 cm) in diameter, and place in a [[Cookbook:Pizza Pan|pizza pan]] or on a [[Cookbook:Baking Sheet|sheet pan]]. #Top the dough with the tomatoes, then the cooked onion-pepper mixture. #Scatter the cheeses evenly over top, then arrange the 4 reserved pepper rings decoratively on top. #[[Cookbook:Baking|Bake]] for 10 minutes at 220°C, then top with the chorizo and bake for another 5 minutes. [[fr:Livre de cuisine/Pizza aux poivrons]] [[Category:Recipes for pizza]] [[Category:Recipes using onion]] [[Category:Recipes using red bell pepper]] [[Category:Recipes using yellow bell pepper]] [[Category:Recipes using mozzarella]] [[Category:Recipes using chorizo]] [[Category:Recipes using tomato]] 0xnu4hox3kcyrkcmqzoehh6xmhl7h1l 4671667 4671665 2026-09-21T23:52:14Z Kittycataclysm 3371989 Undid revision [[Special:Diff/4671665|4671665]] by [[Special:Contributions/TechVindicator|TechVindicator]] ([[User talk:TechVindicator|discuss]]); [[Cookbook:Policy/Recipe template|both imperial and metric units should be included for maximum accessibility]]—as long as the original units are listed first, this is policy 4671667 wikitext text/x-wiki __NOTOC__ {{recipe summary | servings = 1 | time = | difficulty = 2 | image = [[File:Pizza aux poivrons.JPG|300px]] | energy = <!-- Should if provided contain the number of calories and cal (can include kJ)--> | note = }} {{recipe}} '''Pizza with peppers''' is a hot dish. == Ingredients == * [[Cookbook:Oil and Fat|Oil]] * 1 [[Cookbook:Onion|onion]], [[Cookbook:Chopping|chopped]] * 1 red [[Cookbook:Bell Pepper|bell pepper]], [[Cookbook:Dice|diced]] * 1 yellow bell pepper, with 4 rings sliced off and the rest diced * 1 small ball pizza dough (enough for a single personal pizza) * 400 [[Cookbook:Gram|g]] crushed [[Cookbook:Tomato|tomatoes]] * 120 g [[Cookbook:Mozzarella Cheese|mozzarella]] cheese, diced * 50 g [[Cookbook:Comté|comté]] cheese, [[Cookbook:Grating|grated]] * 10 slices of [[Cookbook:Chorizo|chorizo]] == Procedure == #Heat a dash of oil in a [[Cookbook:Skillet|skillet]] over low heat. Add the onion and diced bell peppers, and cook, stirring, for half an hour. #Stretch and roll the pizza dough out to about 8–12 inches (20–30 cm) in diameter, and place in a [[Cookbook:Pizza Pan|pizza pan]] or on a [[Cookbook:Baking Sheet|sheet pan]]. #Top the dough with the tomatoes, then the cooked onion-pepper mixture. #Scatter the cheeses evenly over top, then arrange the 4 reserved pepper rings decoratively on top. #[[Cookbook:Baking|Bake]] for 10 minutes at 220°C (430°F), then top with the chorizo and bake for another 5 minutes. [[fr:Livre de cuisine/Pizza aux poivrons]] [[Category:Recipes for pizza]] [[Category:Recipes using onion]] [[Category:Recipes using red bell pepper]] [[Category:Recipes using yellow bell pepper]] [[Category:Recipes using mozzarella]] [[Category:Recipes using chorizo]] [[Category:Recipes using tomato]] opx2oun0e5c2i4dgq2w9hvdpuc1cr90 4671668 4671667 2026-09-21T23:53:00Z Kittycataclysm 3371989 as other editor suggested 4671668 wikitext text/x-wiki __NOTOC__ {{recipe summary | servings = 1 | time = | difficulty = 2 | image = [[File:Pizza aux poivrons.JPG|300px]] | energy = <!-- Should if provided contain the number of calories and cal (can include kJ)--> | note = }} {{recipe}} '''Pizza with peppers''' is a hot dish. == Ingredients == * [[Cookbook:Oil and Fat|Oil]] * 1 [[Cookbook:Onion|onion]], [[Cookbook:Chopping|chopped]] * 1 red [[Cookbook:Bell Pepper|bell pepper]], [[Cookbook:Dice|diced]] * 1 yellow bell pepper, with 4 rings sliced off and the rest diced * 1 small ball pizza dough (enough for a single personal pizza) * 400 [[Cookbook:Gram|g]] crushed [[Cookbook:Tomato|tomatoes]] * 120 g [[Cookbook:Mozzarella Cheese|mozzarella]] cheese, diced * 50 g [[Cookbook:Comté|comté]] cheese, [[Cookbook:Grating|grated]] * 10 slices of [[Cookbook:Chorizo|chorizo]] == Procedure == #Heat a dash of oil in a [[Cookbook:Saucepan|saucepan]] over low heat. Add the onion and diced bell peppers, and cook, stirring, for half an hour. #Stretch and roll the pizza dough out to about 8–12 inches (20–30 cm) in diameter, and place in a [[Cookbook:Pizza Pan|pizza pan]] or on a [[Cookbook:Baking Sheet|sheet pan]]. #Top the dough with the tomatoes, then the cooked onion-pepper mixture. #Scatter the cheeses evenly over top, then arrange the 4 reserved pepper rings decoratively on top. #[[Cookbook:Baking|Bake]] for 10 minutes at 220°C (430°F), then top with the chorizo and bake for another 5 minutes. [[fr:Livre de cuisine/Pizza aux poivrons]] [[Category:Recipes for pizza]] [[Category:Recipes using onion]] [[Category:Recipes using red bell pepper]] [[Category:Recipes using yellow bell pepper]] [[Category:Recipes using mozzarella]] [[Category:Recipes using chorizo]] [[Category:Recipes using tomato]] eserm1gwww6ywlnedkgyefpb3vd5c8c 4671683 4671668 2026-09-22T00:30:45Z TechVindicator 3626296 4671683 wikitext text/x-wiki __NOTOC__ {{recipe summary | servings = 1 | time = | difficulty = 2 | image = [[File:Pizza aux poivrons.JPG|300px]] | energy = <!-- Should if provided contain the number of calories and cal (can include kJ)--> | note = }} {{recipe}} '''Pizza with peppers''' is a hot dish. == Ingredients == * [[Cookbook:Oil and Fat|Oil]] * 1 [[Cookbook:Onion|onion]], [[Cookbook:Chopping|chopped]] * 1 red [[Cookbook:Bell Pepper|bell pepper]], [[Cookbook:Dice|diced]] * 1 yellow bell pepper, with 4 rings sliced off and the rest diced * 1 small ball pizza dough (enough for a single personal pizza) * 400 [[Cookbook:Gram|g]] crushed [[Cookbook:Tomato|tomatoes]] * 120 g [[Cookbook:Mozzarella Cheese|mozzarella]] cheese, diced * 50 g [[Cookbook:Comté|comté]] cheese, [[Cookbook:Grating|grated]] * 10 slices of [[Cookbook:Chorizo|chorizo]] == Procedure == #Heat a dash of oil in a [[Cookbook:Frying pan|frying pan]] over low heat. Add the onion and diced bell peppers, and cook, stirring, for half an hour. #Stretch and roll the pizza dough out to about 8–12 inches (20–30 cm) in diameter, and place in a [[Cookbook:Pizza Pan|pizza pan]] or on a [[Cookbook:Baking Sheet|sheet pan]]. #Top the dough with the tomatoes, then the cooked onion-pepper mixture. #Scatter the cheeses evenly over top, then arrange the 4 reserved pepper rings decoratively on top. #[[Cookbook:Baking|Bake]] for 10 minutes at 220°C (430°F), then top with the chorizo and bake for another 5 minutes. [[fr:Livre de cuisine/Pizza aux poivrons]] [[Category:Recipes for pizza]] [[Category:Recipes using onion]] [[Category:Recipes using red bell pepper]] [[Category:Recipes using yellow bell pepper]] [[Category:Recipes using mozzarella]] [[Category:Recipes using chorizo]] [[Category:Recipes using tomato]] 8z87ti91gla8qplpi14tyqrapm8hpin 0 485768 4671608 2026-09-21T14:33:40Z ActStuffOGWiki 3624203 I made it 4671608 wikitext text/x-wiki == Introduction == {{Wikipedia|India}} This shelf talks about the country of the '''Republic of India (also called India, Bharat or Hindustan)'''. ''[[wikipedia:India|India]] is a country in [[wikipedia:South_Asia|South Asia]]. It is the world's seventh-largest country by area. It is also the most populated country in the world. It has been the world's largest [[wikipedia:Democracy|democracy]] by number of people since 1947.'' [[File:Flag of India.svg|thumb|300x300px|'''Credit: Government of India.''' The [[wikipedia:Flag_of_India|Flag of India]]. ]] Any [[Wikibooks:Categories|category]], shelf or book related to the country of India shall be found here. == Example Articles (Wikipedia) == * [[wikipedia:List_of_political_parties_in_India|List of political parties in India]] * [[wikipedia:Rail_transport_in_India|Rail transport in India]] * [[wikipedia:India|India]] beqbiv9quktfs75vqg9u7dffdejqpsi 4671611 4671608 2026-09-21T14:37:35Z ActStuffOGWiki 3624203 4671611 wikitext text/x-wiki == Introduction == {{Wikipedia|India}} This shelf talks about the country of the '''Republic of India (also called India, Bharat or Hindustan)'''. ''[[wikipedia:India|India]] is a country in [[wikipedia:South_Asia|South Asia]]. It is the world's seventh-largest country by area. It is also the most populated country in the world. It has been the world's largest [[wikipedia:Democracy|democracy]] by number of people since 1947.'' [[File:Flag of India.svg|thumb|300x300px|'''Credit: Government of India.''' The [[wikipedia:Flag_of_India|Flag of India]]. ]] Any [[Wikibooks:Categories|category]], shelf or book related to the country of India shall be found here. == Example Articles (Wikipedia) == * [[wikipedia:List_of_political_parties_in_India|List of political parties in India]] * [[wikipedia:Rail_transport_in_India|Rail transport in India]] * [[wikipedia:India|India]] {{DEFAULTSORT:Category:India}} fab569qc4ofta9j0zz5ikfoq29llfh0 0 485769 4671615 2026-09-21T14:58:52Z ActStuffOGWiki 3624203 I made it 4671615 wikitext text/x-wiki == Introduction == '''Indian Railways''' uses several trains and several terms for them. Some names describe the service level, such as Rajdhani or Shatabdi. Other names describe the coach design, such as LHB or ICF. Freight vehicles are commonly identified by codes such as BOXN, BCN, BTPN and BOBRN. These codes provide useful information about the wagon’s basic design and purpose. Indian Railways also has lots of manufacturers such as CLW, BLW and BHEL that manufacture and assemble these trains. The railway system is continuously changing. Older locomotive-hauled trains still operate alongside modern trainsets, electric locomotives, LHB coaches, semi-high-speed services and specialized freight wagons. Production units of Indian Railways manufacture much of this equipment, while public-sector and private companies supply additional locomotives, coaches, wagons, components and systems. The Railway Board’s production-unit lists include manufacturers such as CLW, BLW, ICF, RCF, RWF, PLW, MCF and Rail Wheel Plant, Bela. A railway train is not a single type of vehicle. It is usually a group of vehicles designed for a particular purpose. A passenger train may contain coaches for seating, sleeping, catering, luggage and braking. A freight train may contain wagons designed for coal, minerals, grain, cement, vehicles or containers. Locomotives provide the tractive force, while coaches and wagons carry passengers or goods. dc57cjfrhsicbxyg1a16sint0v6c5au 4671617 4671615 2026-09-21T15:00:00Z ActStuffOGWiki 3624203 4671617 wikitext text/x-wiki == Introduction == '''Indian Railways''' uses several trains and several terms for them. Some names describe the service level, such as Rajdhani or Shatabdi. Other names describe the coach design, such as LHB or ICF. Freight vehicles are commonly identified by codes such as BOXN, BCN, BTPN and BOBRN. These codes provide useful information about the wagon’s basic design and purpose. Indian Railways also has lots of manufacturers such as CLW, BLW and BHEL that manufacture and assemble these trains. The railway system is continuously changing. Older locomotive-hauled trains still operate alongside modern trainsets, electric locomotives, LHB coaches, semi-high-speed services and specialized freight wagons. Production units of Indian Railways manufacture much of this equipment, while public-sector and private companies supply additional locomotives, coaches, wagons, components and systems. The Railway Board’s production-unit lists include manufacturers such as CLW, BLW, ICF, RCF, RWF, PLW, MCF and Rail Wheel Plant, Bela. A railway train is not a single type of vehicle. It is usually a group of vehicles designed for a particular purpose. A passenger train may contain coaches for seating, sleeping, catering, luggage and braking. A freight train may contain wagons designed for coal, minerals, grain, cement, vehicles or containers. Locomotives provide the tractive force, while coaches and wagons carry passengers or goods. {{BookCat}} [[Category:Book:Indian Railways]] 7nnds21poyqewyvw62ixpa2t4wx9ix9 4671619 4671617 2026-09-21T15:02:32Z ActStuffOGWiki 3624203 4671619 wikitext text/x-wiki == Introduction == '''Indian Railways''' uses several trains and several terms for them. Some names describe the service level, such as Rajdhani or Shatabdi. Other names describe the coach design, such as LHB or ICF. Freight vehicles are commonly identified by codes such as BOXN, BCN, BTPN and BOBRN. These codes provide useful information about the wagon’s basic design and purpose. Indian Railways also has lots of manufacturers such as CLW, BLW and BHEL that manufacture and assemble these trains. The railway system is continuously changing. Older locomotive-hauled trains still operate alongside modern trainsets, electric locomotives, LHB coaches, semi-high-speed services and specialized freight wagons. Production units of Indian Railways manufacture much of this equipment, while public-sector and private companies supply additional locomotives, coaches, wagons, components and systems. The Railway Board’s production-unit lists include manufacturers such as CLW, BLW, ICF, RCF, RWF, PLW, MCF and Rail Wheel Plant, Bela. A railway train is not a single type of vehicle. It is usually a group of vehicles designed for a particular purpose. A passenger train may contain coaches for seating, sleeping, catering, luggage and braking. A freight train may contain wagons designed for coal, minerals, grain, cement, vehicles or containers. Locomotives provide the tractive force, while coaches and wagons carry passengers or goods. == Terms to Know == The word “train” can mean either a service or a physical formation. A Rajdhani Express is a named passenger service. A rake is the actual group of coaches assigned to that service. A locomotive-hauled rake may have an electric locomotive at one end and passenger coaches behind it. A trainset, such as a Vande Bharat trainset, contains powered and unpowered coaches designed to work together. A "manufacturer" is an organization that produces railway equipment. A production unit is a railway-owned factory or workshop established for a particular manufacturing purpose. A private company may manufacture wagons or components under contracts, while a public-sector company may produce locomotives, coaches, wheels or wagons. Not every train name represents a completely different mechanical design. Two services with different names may use similar LHB coaches, while one service may use different coach types on different routes. Conversely, a service name may remain the same even when its coaches, locomotive or timetable changes. In reality, “popular trains” and “important trains” are not engineering categories. They refer to widely recognized passenger services and service families that have played an important role in Indian Railways. {{BookCat}} [[Category:Book:Indian Railways]] jr3iss3zy3yp0u2417d7dt9g6mjafqe 4671622 4671619 2026-09-21T15:11:37Z ActStuffOGWiki 3624203 4671622 wikitext text/x-wiki == Introduction == '''Indian Railways''' uses several trains and several terms for them. Some names describe the service level, such as Rajdhani or Shatabdi. Other names describe the coach design, such as LHB or ICF. Freight vehicles are commonly identified by codes such as BOXN, BCN, BTPN and BOBRN. These codes provide useful information about the wagon’s basic design and purpose. Indian Railways also has lots of manufacturers such as CLW, BLW and BHEL that manufacture and assemble these trains. The railway system is continuously changing. Older locomotive-hauled trains still operate alongside modern trainsets, electric locomotives, LHB coaches, semi-high-speed services and specialized freight wagons. Production units of Indian Railways manufacture much of this equipment, while public-sector and private companies supply additional locomotives, coaches, wagons, components and systems. The Railway Board’s production-unit lists include manufacturers such as CLW, BLW, ICF, RCF, RWF, PLW, MCF and Rail Wheel Plant, Bela. A railway train is not a single type of vehicle. It is usually a group of vehicles designed for a particular purpose. A passenger train may contain coaches for seating, sleeping, catering, luggage and braking. A freight train may contain wagons designed for coal, minerals, grain, cement, vehicles or containers. Locomotives provide the tractive force, while coaches and wagons carry passengers or goods. == Terms to Know == The word “train” can mean either a service or a physical formation. A Rajdhani Express is a named passenger service. A rake is the actual group of coaches assigned to that service. A locomotive-hauled rake may have an electric locomotive at one end and passenger coaches behind it. A trainset, such as a Vande Bharat trainset, contains powered and unpowered coaches designed to work together. A "manufacturer" is an organization that produces railway equipment. A production unit is a railway-owned factory or workshop established for a particular manufacturing purpose. A private company may manufacture wagons or components under contracts, while a public-sector company may produce locomotives, coaches, wheels or wagons. Not every train name represents a completely different mechanical design. Two services with different names may use similar LHB coaches, while one service may use different coach types on different routes. Conversely, a service name may remain the same even when its coaches, locomotive or timetable changes. In reality, “popular trains” and “important trains” are not engineering categories. They refer to widely recognized passenger services and service families that have played an important role in Indian Railways. == Passenger Train Families == === Vande Bharat Express === ''See also: [[wikipedia:Vande_Bharat_(Indian_Railways)|Train 18]] and [[wikipedia:Vande_Bharat_Express|Vande Bharat Express]]'' Vande Bharat Express is an indigenous electric trainset developed for faster intercity travel. It is designed as a self-propelled train rather than a conventional rake pulled by a separate locomotive. Traction equipment is distributed among several coaches, allowing the train to accelerate efficiently and avoid the need for locomotive reversal at terminal stations. [[File:Vande Bharat Express around Mumbai.jpg|thumb|309x309px|'''Credit: Harshul12345.''' A Vande Bharat Express (classic) near Mumbai CSMT. ]] Vande Bharat trains generally provide air-conditioned seating, automatic or semi-automatic doors, onboard information systems, modern toilets, improved interiors and a higher level of passenger convenience than ordinary day trains. Different versions may have different seating arrangements, coach numbers and operational features. The train is intended mainly for daytime intercity journeys. It is not normally a sleeping train. Its usefulness depends not only on maximum speed but also on track condition, signaling, station stops, traffic density, maintenance and timetable planning. Vande Bharat is important because it represents a shift from traditional locomotive-hauled passenger trains toward trainset operation. It also demonstrates the increasing role of Indian production units and domestic suppliers in train design and assembly. {{BookCat}} [[Category:Book:Indian Railways]] 4pq506jtb9xgvgrqladdhobnoaneljp 4671623 4671622 2026-09-21T15:19:38Z ActStuffOGWiki 3624203 4671623 wikitext text/x-wiki == Introduction == '''Indian Railways''' uses several trains and several terms for them. Some names describe the service level, such as Rajdhani or Shatabdi. Other names describe the coach design, such as LHB or ICF. Freight vehicles are commonly identified by codes such as BOXN, BCN, BTPN and BOBRN. These codes provide useful information about the wagon’s basic design and purpose. Indian Railways also has lots of manufacturers such as CLW, BLW and BHEL that manufacture and assemble these trains. The railway system is continuously changing. Older locomotive-hauled trains still operate alongside modern trainsets, electric locomotives, LHB coaches, semi-high-speed services and specialized freight wagons. Production units of Indian Railways manufacture much of this equipment, while public-sector and private companies supply additional locomotives, coaches, wagons, components and systems. The Railway Board’s production-unit lists include manufacturers such as CLW, BLW, ICF, RCF, RWF, PLW, MCF and Rail Wheel Plant, Bela. A railway train is not a single type of vehicle. It is usually a group of vehicles designed for a particular purpose. A passenger train may contain coaches for seating, sleeping, catering, luggage and braking. A freight train may contain wagons designed for coal, minerals, grain, cement, vehicles or containers. Locomotives provide the tractive force, while coaches and wagons carry passengers or goods. == Terms to Know == The word “train” can mean either a service or a physical formation. A Rajdhani Express is a named passenger service. A rake is the actual group of coaches assigned to that service. A locomotive-hauled rake may have an electric locomotive at one end and passenger coaches behind it. A trainset, such as a Vande Bharat trainset, contains powered and unpowered coaches designed to work together. A "manufacturer" is an organization that produces railway equipment. A production unit is a railway-owned factory or workshop established for a particular manufacturing purpose. A private company may manufacture wagons or components under contracts, while a public-sector company may produce locomotives, coaches, wheels or wagons. Not every train name represents a completely different mechanical design. Two services with different names may use similar LHB coaches, while one service may use different coach types on different routes. Conversely, a service name may remain the same even when its coaches, locomotive or timetable changes. In reality, “popular trains” and “important trains” are not engineering categories. They refer to widely recognized passenger services and service families that have played an important role in Indian Railways. == Passenger Train Families == === Vande Bharat Express === ''See also: [[wikipedia:Vande_Bharat_(Indian_Railways)|Train 18]] and [[wikipedia:Vande_Bharat_Express|Vande Bharat Express]]'' Vande Bharat Express is an indigenous electric trainset developed for faster intercity travel. It is designed as a self-propelled train rather than a conventional rake pulled by a separate locomotive. Traction equipment is distributed among several coaches, allowing the train to accelerate efficiently and avoid the need for locomotive reversal at terminal stations. [[File:Vande Bharat Express around Mumbai.jpg|thumb|309x309px|'''Credit: Harshul12345.''' A Vande Bharat Express (classic) near Mumbai CSMT. ]] Vande Bharat trains generally provide air-conditioned seating, automatic or semi-automatic doors, onboard information systems, modern toilets, improved interiors and a higher level of passenger convenience than ordinary day trains. Different versions may have different seating arrangements, coach numbers and operational features. The train is intended mainly for daytime intercity journeys. It is not normally a sleeping train. Its usefulness depends not only on maximum speed but also on track condition, signaling, station stops, traffic density, maintenance and timetable planning. Vande Bharat is important because it represents a shift from traditional locomotive-hauled passenger trains toward trainset operation. It also demonstrates the increasing role of Indian production units and domestic suppliers in train design and assembly. === Rajdhani Express === ''See also: [[wikipedia:Rajdhani_Express|Rajdhani Express]]'' Rajdhani Express services connect New Delhi with important state capitals and major cities. They are traditionally associated with long-distance overnight travel, high priority, air-conditioned accommodation and included catering in many arrangements. [[File:22222 Rajdhani Express.jpg|thumb|300x300px|'''Credit: Heyranjeet.''' An iconic Rajdhani Express called CR Rajdhani (22222). It is the first and only push-pull Rajdhani Express in India. ]] Rajdhani trains usually use air-conditioned coaches, including sleeping accommodation in first AC, second AC and third AC. Some services may include pantry or catering arrangements. The exact composition can vary by route and operational requirement. Rajdhani services were created to provide fast connections between Delhi and major regional centers. Their schedules usually give them priority over many ordinary passenger services, although actual punctuality depends on congestion, maintenance, weather and operating conditions. For your information, the word “Rajdhani” identifies a service family, not one universal coach design. Older Rajdhani rakes used conventional designs, while many services have progressively adopted LHB coaches and newer interior systems.{{BookCat}} [[Category:Book:Indian Railways]] o2217s5emyw9qqmfys2x43jhy5u6s6f 4671624 4671623 2026-09-21T15:39:03Z ActStuffOGWiki 3624203 4671624 wikitext text/x-wiki == Introduction == '''Indian Railways''' uses several trains and several terms for them. Some names describe the service level, such as Rajdhani or Shatabdi. Other names describe the coach design, such as LHB or ICF. Freight vehicles are commonly identified by codes such as BOXN, BCN, BTPN and BOBRN. These codes provide useful information about the wagon’s basic design and purpose. Indian Railways also has lots of manufacturers such as CLW, BLW and BHEL that manufacture and assemble these trains. The railway system is continuously changing. Older locomotive-hauled trains still operate alongside modern trainsets, electric locomotives, LHB coaches, semi-high-speed services and specialized freight wagons. Production units of Indian Railways manufacture much of this equipment, while public-sector and private companies supply additional locomotives, coaches, wagons, components and systems. The Railway Board’s production-unit lists include manufacturers such as CLW, BLW, ICF, RCF, RWF, PLW, MCF and Rail Wheel Plant, Bela. A railway train is not a single type of vehicle. It is usually a group of vehicles designed for a particular purpose. A passenger train may contain coaches for seating, sleeping, catering, luggage and braking. A freight train may contain wagons designed for coal, minerals, grain, cement, vehicles or containers. Locomotives provide the tractive force, while coaches and wagons carry passengers or goods. == Terms to Know == The word “train” can mean either a service or a physical formation. A Rajdhani Express is a named passenger service. A rake is the actual group of coaches assigned to that service. A locomotive-hauled rake may have an electric locomotive at one end and passenger coaches behind it. A trainset, such as a Vande Bharat trainset, contains powered and unpowered coaches designed to work together. A "manufacturer" is an organization that produces railway equipment. A production unit is a railway-owned factory or workshop established for a particular manufacturing purpose. A private company may manufacture wagons or components under contracts, while a public-sector company may produce locomotives, coaches, wheels or wagons. Not every train name represents a completely different mechanical design. Two services with different names may use similar LHB coaches, while one service may use different coach types on different routes. Conversely, a service name may remain the same even when its coaches, locomotive or timetable changes. In reality, “popular trains” and “important trains” are not engineering categories. They refer to widely recognized passenger services and service families that have played an important role in Indian Railways. == Passenger Train Expresses == === Vande Bharat Express === ''See also: [[wikipedia:Vande_Bharat_(Indian_Railways)|Train 18]] and [[wikipedia:Vande_Bharat_Express|Vande Bharat Express]]'' Vande Bharat Express is an indigenous electric trainset developed for faster intercity travel. It is designed as a self-propelled train rather than a conventional rake pulled by a separate locomotive. Traction equipment is distributed among several coaches, allowing the train to accelerate efficiently and avoid the need for locomotive reversal at terminal stations. [[File:Vande Bharat Express around Mumbai.jpg|thumb|309x309px|'''Credit: Harshul12345.''' A Vande Bharat Express (classic) near Mumbai CSMT. ]] Vande Bharat trains generally provide air-conditioned seating, automatic or semi-automatic doors, onboard information systems, modern toilets, improved interiors and a higher level of passenger convenience than ordinary day trains. Different versions may have different seating arrangements, coach numbers and operational features. The train is intended mainly for daytime intercity journeys. It is not normally a sleeping train. Its usefulness depends not only on maximum speed but also on track condition, signaling, station stops, traffic density, maintenance and timetable planning. Vande Bharat is important because it represents a shift from traditional locomotive-hauled passenger trains toward trainset operation. It also demonstrates the increasing role of Indian production units and domestic suppliers in train design and assembly. === Rajdhani Express === ''See also: [[wikipedia:Rajdhani_Express|Rajdhani Express]]'' Rajdhani Express services connect New Delhi with important state capitals and major cities. They are traditionally associated with long-distance overnight travel, high priority, air-conditioned accommodation and included catering in many arrangements. [[File:22222 Rajdhani Express.jpg|thumb|300x300px|'''Credit: Heyranjeet.''' An iconic Rajdhani Express called CR Rajdhani (22222). It is the first and only push-pull Rajdhani Express in India. ]] Rajdhani trains usually use air-conditioned coaches, including sleeping accommodation in first AC, second AC and third AC. Some services may include pantry or catering arrangements. The exact composition can vary by route and operational requirement. Rajdhani services were created to provide fast connections between Delhi and major regional centers. Their schedules usually give them priority over many ordinary passenger services, although actual punctuality depends on congestion, maintenance, weather and operating conditions. For your information, the word “Rajdhani” identifies a service family, not one universal coach design. Older Rajdhani rakes used conventional designs, while many services have progressively adopted LHB coaches and newer interior systems. === Shatabdi Express === ''See also: [[wikipedia:Shatabdi_Express|Shatabdi Express]]'' Shatabdi Express trains are generally daytime intercity services. They commonly connect major cities with important regional centers and offer reserved sitting accommodation instead of sleeping berths. [[File:WAP5 ^30014 of Ghaziabad with 12004 Swarn Shatabdi - Flickr - Dr. Santulan Mahanta.jpg|thumb|267x267px|'''Credit: Santulan Mahanta.''' A WAP-5 locomotive pulling Swarna Jayanti Shatabdi Express (12029). ]] Shatabdi coaches normally include air-conditioned chair cars, with executive chair car available on many services. Meals or refreshments may be provided depending on the service and ticket arrangement. Shatabdi trains are often valued for their convenient daytime schedules. They are particularly useful for journeys that are too long for ordinary commuter trains but short enough to complete during the day. Like other named services, a Shatabdi may use different coach generations over its history. The service name does not by itself specify whether a particular train uses an older coach, an LHB coach or another modern configuration. === Jan Shatabdi Express === ''See also: [[wikipedia:Jan_Shatabdi_Express|Jan Shatabdi Express]]'' [[File:12052 Dadar Madgaon Jan Shatabdi Express at Madgaon Station.jpg|thumb|300x300px|'''Credit: Superfast1111.''' A rare, ICF Jan Shatabdi rake of the Dadar to Madgaon Jan Shatabdi Express (12052). ]] Jan Shatabdi trains are generally lower-cost daytime intercity services related to the Shatabdi concept. They usually emphasize reserved sitting accommodation and wider accessibility. Many Jan Shatabdi services include air-conditioned chair cars along with non-air-conditioned sitting coaches. The composition depends on demand, route and railway planning. They are often useful for medium-distance journeys where passengers want a faster service than ordinary passenger trains but do not require a premium all-air-conditioned train. {{BookCat}} [[Category:Book:Indian Railways]] 11yilmhjm2a8x1zq3s3nitvik3wfplr 4671625 4671624 2026-09-21T16:00:14Z ActStuffOGWiki 3624203 4671625 wikitext text/x-wiki == Introduction == '''Indian Railways''' uses several trains and several terms for them. Some names describe the service level, such as Rajdhani or Shatabdi. Other names describe the coach design, such as LHB or ICF. Freight vehicles are commonly identified by codes such as BOXN, BCN, BTPN and BOBRN. These codes provide useful information about the wagon’s basic design and purpose. Indian Railways also has lots of manufacturers such as CLW, BLW and BHEL that manufacture and assemble these trains. The railway system is continuously changing. Older locomotive-hauled trains still operate alongside modern trainsets, electric locomotives, LHB coaches, semi-high-speed services and specialized freight wagons. Production units of Indian Railways manufacture much of this equipment, while public-sector and private companies supply additional locomotives, coaches, wagons, components and systems. The Railway Board’s production-unit lists include manufacturers such as CLW, BLW, ICF, RCF, RWF, PLW, MCF and Rail Wheel Plant, Bela. A railway train is not a single type of vehicle. It is usually a group of vehicles designed for a particular purpose. A passenger train may contain coaches for seating, sleeping, catering, luggage and braking. A freight train may contain wagons designed for coal, minerals, grain, cement, vehicles or containers. Locomotives provide the tractive force, while coaches and wagons carry passengers or goods. == Terms to Know == The word “train” can mean either a service or a physical formation. A Rajdhani Express is a named passenger service. A rake is the actual group of coaches assigned to that service. A locomotive-hauled rake may have an electric locomotive at one end and passenger coaches behind it. A trainset, such as a Vande Bharat trainset, contains powered and unpowered coaches designed to work together. A "manufacturer" is an organization that produces railway equipment. A production unit is a railway-owned factory or workshop established for a particular manufacturing purpose. A private company may manufacture wagons or components under contracts, while a public-sector company may produce locomotives, coaches, wheels or wagons. Not every train name represents a completely different mechanical design. Two services with different names may use similar LHB coaches, while one service may use different coach types on different routes. Conversely, a service name may remain the same even when its coaches, locomotive or timetable changes. In reality, “popular trains” and “important trains” are not engineering categories. They refer to widely recognized passenger services and service families that have played an important role in Indian Railways. == Passenger Train Expresses == === Vande Bharat Express === ''See also: [[wikipedia:Vande_Bharat_(Indian_Railways)|Train 18]] and [[wikipedia:Vande_Bharat_Express|Vande Bharat Express]]'' Vande Bharat Express is an indigenous electric trainset developed for faster intercity travel. It is designed as a self-propelled train rather than a conventional rake pulled by a separate locomotive. Traction equipment is distributed among several coaches, allowing the train to accelerate efficiently and avoid the need for locomotive reversal at terminal stations. [[File:Vande Bharat Express around Mumbai.jpg|thumb|309x309px|'''Credit: Harshul12345.''' A Vande Bharat Express (classic) near Mumbai CSMT. ]] Vande Bharat trains generally provide air-conditioned seating, automatic or semi-automatic doors, onboard information systems, modern toilets, improved interiors and a higher level of passenger convenience than ordinary day trains. Different versions may have different seating arrangements, coach numbers and operational features. The train is intended mainly for daytime intercity journeys. It is not normally a sleeping train. Its usefulness depends not only on maximum speed but also on track condition, signaling, station stops, traffic density, maintenance and timetable planning. Vande Bharat is important because it represents a shift from traditional locomotive-hauled passenger trains toward trainset operation. It also demonstrates the increasing role of Indian production units and domestic suppliers in train design and assembly. === Rajdhani Express === ''See also: [[wikipedia:Rajdhani_Express|Rajdhani Express]]'' Rajdhani Express services connect New Delhi with important state capitals and major cities. They are traditionally associated with long-distance overnight travel, high priority, air-conditioned accommodation and included catering in many arrangements. [[File:22222 Rajdhani Express.jpg|thumb|300x300px|'''Credit: Heyranjeet.''' An iconic Rajdhani Express called CR Rajdhani (22222). It is the first and only push-pull Rajdhani Express in India. ]] Rajdhani trains usually use air-conditioned coaches, including sleeping accommodation in first AC, second AC and third AC. Some services may include pantry or catering arrangements. The exact composition can vary by route and operational requirement. Rajdhani services were created to provide fast connections between Delhi and major regional centers. Their schedules usually give them priority over many ordinary passenger services, although actual punctuality depends on congestion, maintenance, weather and operating conditions. For your information, the word “Rajdhani” identifies a service family, not one universal coach design. Older Rajdhani rakes used conventional designs, while many services have progressively adopted LHB coaches and newer interior systems. === Shatabdi Express === ''See also: [[wikipedia:Shatabdi_Express|Shatabdi Express]]'' Shatabdi Express trains are generally daytime intercity services. They commonly connect major cities with important regional centers and offer reserved sitting accommodation instead of sleeping berths. [[File:WAP5 ^30014 of Ghaziabad with 12004 Swarn Shatabdi - Flickr - Dr. Santulan Mahanta.jpg|thumb|267x267px|'''Credit: Santulan Mahanta.''' A WAP-5 locomotive pulling Swarna Jayanti Shatabdi Express (12029). ]] Shatabdi coaches normally include air-conditioned chair cars, with executive chair car available on many services. Meals or refreshments may be provided depending on the service and ticket arrangement. Shatabdi trains are often valued for their convenient daytime schedules. They are particularly useful for journeys that are too long for ordinary commuter trains but short enough to complete during the day. Like other named services, a Shatabdi may use different coach generations over its history. The service name does not by itself specify whether a particular train uses an older coach, an LHB coach or another modern configuration. === Jan Shatabdi Express === ''See also: [[wikipedia:Jan_Shatabdi_Express|Jan Shatabdi Express]]'' [[File:12052 Dadar Madgaon Jan Shatabdi Express at Madgaon Station.jpg|thumb|300x300px|'''Credit: Superfast1111.''' A rare, ICF Jan Shatabdi rake of the Dadar to Madgaon Jan Shatabdi Express (12052). ]] Jan Shatabdi trains are generally lower-cost daytime intercity services related to the Shatabdi concept. They usually emphasize reserved sitting accommodation and wider accessibility. Many Jan Shatabdi services include air-conditioned chair cars along with non-air-conditioned sitting coaches. The composition depends on demand, route and railway planning. They are often useful for medium-distance journeys where passengers want a faster service than ordinary passenger trains but do not require a premium all-air-conditioned train. === Duronto Express === ''See also: [[wikipedia:Duronto_Express|Duronto Express]]'' [[File:Hybrid LHB coaches in Duronto livery..jpg|thumb|300x300px|'''''Credit: Igobymanynames1.''''' A Duronto Express with Hybrid LHB coaches in Duronto Livery. ]] Duronto Express services were introduced as long-distance trains with limited intermediate stops. The name comes from a word associated with speed and nonstop movement. Duronto services may be fully air-conditioned or may include several classes, depending on the route. Some operate overnight with sleeping coaches, while others serve longer daytime or mixed travel patterns. The practical advantage of a Duronto service is reduced stopping time. However, its journey duration depends on the route, traffic conditions, locomotive changes, operational halts and timetable revisions. === Humsafar Express === ''See also: [[wikipedia:Humsafar_Express|Humsafar Express]]'' {{BookCat}} [[Category:Book:Indian Railways]] rwlk3rf5ju07gbdk8pz9ifbvdovrs9v 4671745 4671625 2026-09-22T10:01:57Z ActStuffOGWiki 3624203 4671745 wikitext text/x-wiki == Introduction == '''Indian Railways''' uses several trains and several terms for them. Some names describe the service level, such as Rajdhani or Shatabdi. Other names describe the coach design, such as LHB or ICF. Freight vehicles are commonly identified by codes such as BOXN, BCN, BTPN and BOBRN. These codes provide useful information about the wagon’s basic design and purpose. Indian Railways also has lots of manufacturers such as CLW, BLW and BHEL that manufacture and assemble these trains. The railway system is continuously changing. Older locomotive-hauled trains still operate alongside modern trainsets, electric locomotives, LHB coaches, semi-high-speed services and specialized freight wagons. Production units of Indian Railways manufacture much of this equipment, while public-sector and private companies supply additional locomotives, coaches, wagons, components and systems. The Railway Board’s production-unit lists include manufacturers such as CLW, BLW, ICF, RCF, RWF, PLW, MCF and Rail Wheel Plant, Bela. A railway train is not a single type of vehicle. It is usually a group of vehicles designed for a particular purpose. A passenger train may contain coaches for seating, sleeping, catering, luggage and braking. A freight train may contain wagons designed for coal, minerals, grain, cement, vehicles or containers. Locomotives provide the tractive force, while coaches and wagons carry passengers or goods. == Terms to Know == The word “train” can mean either a service or a physical formation. A Rajdhani Express is a named passenger service. A rake is the actual group of coaches assigned to that service. A locomotive-hauled rake may have an electric locomotive at one end and passenger coaches behind it. A trainset, such as a Vande Bharat trainset, contains powered and unpowered coaches designed to work together. A "manufacturer" is an organization that produces railway equipment. A production unit is a railway-owned factory or workshop established for a particular manufacturing purpose. A private company may manufacture wagons or components under contracts, while a public-sector company may produce locomotives, coaches, wheels or wagons. Not every train name represents a completely different mechanical design. Two services with different names may use similar LHB coaches, while one service may use different coach types on different routes. Conversely, a service name may remain the same even when its coaches, locomotive or timetable changes. In reality, “popular trains” and “important trains” are not engineering categories. They refer to widely recognized passenger services and service families that have played an important role in Indian Railways. == Passenger Train Expresses == === Vande Bharat Express === ''See also: [[wikipedia:Vande_Bharat_(Indian_Railways)|Train 18]] and [[wikipedia:Vande_Bharat_Express|Vande Bharat Express]]'' Vande Bharat Express is an indigenous electric trainset developed for faster intercity travel. It is designed as a self-propelled train rather than a conventional rake pulled by a separate locomotive. Traction equipment is distributed among several coaches, allowing the train to accelerate efficiently and avoid the need for locomotive reversal at terminal stations. [[File:Vande Bharat Express around Mumbai.jpg|thumb|309x309px|'''Credit: Harshul12345.''' A Vande Bharat Express (classic) near Mumbai CSMT. ]] Vande Bharat trains generally provide air-conditioned seating, automatic or semi-automatic doors, onboard information systems, modern toilets, improved interiors and a higher level of passenger convenience than ordinary day trains. Different versions may have different seating arrangements, coach numbers and operational features. The train is intended mainly for daytime intercity journeys. It is not normally a sleeping train. Its usefulness depends not only on maximum speed but also on track condition, signaling, station stops, traffic density, maintenance and timetable planning. Vande Bharat is important because it represents a shift from traditional locomotive-hauled passenger trains toward trainset operation. It also demonstrates the increasing role of Indian production units and domestic suppliers in train design and assembly. === Rajdhani Express === ''See also: [[wikipedia:Rajdhani_Express|Rajdhani Express]]'' Rajdhani Express services connect New Delhi with important state capitals and major cities. They are traditionally associated with long-distance overnight travel, high priority, air-conditioned accommodation and included catering in many arrangements. [[File:22222 Rajdhani Express.jpg|thumb|300x300px|'''Credit: Heyranjeet.''' An iconic Rajdhani Express called CR Rajdhani (22222). It is the first and only push-pull Rajdhani Express in India. ]] Rajdhani trains usually use air-conditioned coaches, including sleeping accommodation in first AC, second AC and third AC. Some services may include pantry or catering arrangements. The exact composition can vary by route and operational requirement. Rajdhani services were created to provide fast connections between Delhi and major regional centers. Their schedules usually give them priority over many ordinary passenger services, although actual punctuality depends on congestion, maintenance, weather and operating conditions. For your information, the word “Rajdhani” identifies a service family, not one universal coach design. Older Rajdhani rakes used conventional designs, while many services have progressively adopted LHB coaches and newer interior systems. === Shatabdi Express === ''See also: [[wikipedia:Shatabdi_Express|Shatabdi Express]]'' Shatabdi Express trains are generally daytime intercity services. They commonly connect major cities with important regional centers and offer reserved sitting accommodation instead of sleeping berths. [[File:WAP5 ^30014 of Ghaziabad with 12004 Swarn Shatabdi - Flickr - Dr. Santulan Mahanta.jpg|thumb|267x267px|'''Credit: Santulan Mahanta.''' A WAP-5 locomotive pulling Swarna Jayanti Shatabdi Express (12029). ]] Shatabdi coaches normally include air-conditioned chair cars, with executive chair car available on many services. Meals or refreshments may be provided depending on the service and ticket arrangement. Shatabdi trains are often valued for their convenient daytime schedules. They are particularly useful for journeys that are too long for ordinary commuter trains but short enough to complete during the day. Like other named services, a Shatabdi may use different coach generations over its history. The service name does not by itself specify whether a particular train uses an older coach, an LHB coach or another modern configuration. === Jan Shatabdi Express === ''See also: [[wikipedia:Jan_Shatabdi_Express|Jan Shatabdi Express]]'' [[File:12052 Dadar Madgaon Jan Shatabdi Express at Madgaon Station.jpg|thumb|300x300px|'''Credit: Superfast1111.''' A rare, ICF Jan Shatabdi rake of the Dadar to Madgaon Jan Shatabdi Express (12052). ]] Jan Shatabdi trains are generally lower-cost daytime intercity services related to the Shatabdi concept. They usually emphasize reserved sitting accommodation and wider accessibility. Many Jan Shatabdi services include air-conditioned chair cars along with non-air-conditioned sitting coaches. The composition depends on demand, route and railway planning. They are often useful for medium-distance journeys where passengers want a faster service than ordinary passenger trains but do not require a premium all-air-conditioned train. === Duronto Express === ''See also: [[wikipedia:Duronto_Express|Duronto Express]]'' [[File:Hybrid LHB coaches in Duronto livery..jpg|thumb|300x300px|'''''Credit: Igobymanynames1.''''' A Duronto Express with Hybrid LHB coaches in Duronto Livery. ]] Duronto Express services were introduced as long-distance trains with limited intermediate stops. The name comes from a word associated with speed and nonstop movement. Duronto services may be fully air-conditioned or may include several classes, depending on the route. Some operate overnight with sleeping coaches, while others serve longer daytime or mixed travel patterns. The practical advantage of a Duronto service is reduced stopping time. However, its journey duration depends on the route, traffic conditions, locomotive changes, operational halts and timetable revisions. === Humsafar Express === ''See also: [[wikipedia:Humsafar_Express|Humsafar Express]]'' [[File:TPTY JAT Humsafar.jpg|thumb|300x300px|'''Credit: Nikhil B.''' Jammu Tawi Humsafar Express with full Humsafar livery leaving Kazipet Junction. ]] Humsafar Express services were introduced as air-conditioned sleeping trains. They are mainly associated with third AC accommodation and long-distance overnight travel. Humsafar coaches have features such as improved interiors, charging facilities and passenger information arrangements compared with many older conventional coaches. Some services may use specialized Humsafar coach formations, while the precise facilities can vary. Humsafar trains were intended to provide a modern air-conditioned option at a level positioned between ordinary sleeper services and more premium services. The actual fare and onboard arrangements depend on railway policy and the specific train. {{BookCat}} [[Category:Book:Indian Railways]] g98pd8n2182hk2wzd2ec38sgy60bg0q 4671746 4671745 2026-09-22T10:03:04Z ActStuffOGWiki 3624203 4671746 wikitext text/x-wiki == Introduction == '''Indian Railways''' uses several trains and several terms for them. Some names describe the service level, such as Rajdhani or Shatabdi. Other names describe the coach design, such as LHB or ICF. Freight vehicles are commonly identified by codes such as BOXN, BCN, BTPN and BOBRN. These codes provide useful information about the wagon’s basic design and purpose. Indian Railways also has lots of manufacturers such as CLW, BLW and BHEL that manufacture and assemble these trains. The railway system is continuously changing. Older locomotive-hauled trains still operate alongside modern trainsets, electric locomotives, LHB coaches, semi-high-speed services and specialized freight wagons. Production units of Indian Railways manufacture much of this equipment, while public-sector and private companies supply additional locomotives, coaches, wagons, components and systems. The Railway Board’s production-unit lists include manufacturers such as CLW, BLW, ICF, RCF, RWF, PLW, MCF and Rail Wheel Plant, Bela. A railway train is not a single type of vehicle. It is usually a group of vehicles designed for a particular purpose. A passenger train may contain coaches for seating, sleeping, catering, luggage and braking. A freight train may contain wagons designed for coal, minerals, grain, cement, vehicles or containers. Locomotives provide the tractive force, while coaches and wagons carry passengers or goods. == Terms to Know == The word “train” can mean either a service or a physical formation. A Rajdhani Express is a named passenger service. A rake is the actual group of coaches assigned to that service. A locomotive-hauled rake may have an electric locomotive at one end and passenger coaches behind it. A trainset, such as a Vande Bharat trainset, contains powered and unpowered coaches designed to work together. A "manufacturer" is an organization that produces railway equipment. A production unit is a railway-owned factory or workshop established for a particular manufacturing purpose. A private company may manufacture wagons or components under contracts, while a public-sector company may produce locomotives, coaches, wheels or wagons. Not every train name represents a completely different mechanical design. Two services with different names may use similar LHB coaches, while one service may use different coach types on different routes. Conversely, a service name may remain the same even when its coaches, locomotive or timetable changes. In reality, “popular trains” and “important trains” are not engineering categories. They refer to widely recognized passenger services and service families that have played an important role in Indian Railways. == Passenger Train Expresses == === Vande Bharat Express === ''See also: [[wikipedia:Vande_Bharat_(Indian_Railways)|Train 18]] and [[wikipedia:Vande_Bharat_Express|Vande Bharat Express]]'' Vande Bharat Express is an indigenous electric trainset developed for faster intercity travel. It is designed as a self-propelled train rather than a conventional rake pulled by a separate locomotive. Traction equipment is distributed among several coaches, allowing the train to accelerate efficiently and avoid the need for locomotive reversal at terminal stations. [[File:Vande Bharat Express around Mumbai.jpg|thumb|309x309px|'''''Credit: Harshul12345.''''' A Vande Bharat Express (classic) near Mumbai CSMT. ]] Vande Bharat trains generally provide air-conditioned seating, automatic or semi-automatic doors, onboard information systems, modern toilets, improved interiors and a higher level of passenger convenience than ordinary day trains. Different versions may have different seating arrangements, coach numbers and operational features. The train is intended mainly for daytime intercity journeys. It is not normally a sleeping train. Its usefulness depends not only on maximum speed but also on track condition, signaling, station stops, traffic density, maintenance and timetable planning. Vande Bharat is important because it represents a shift from traditional locomotive-hauled passenger trains toward trainset operation. It also demonstrates the increasing role of Indian production units and domestic suppliers in train design and assembly. === Rajdhani Express === ''See also: [[wikipedia:Rajdhani_Express|Rajdhani Express]]'' Rajdhani Express services connect New Delhi with important state capitals and major cities. They are traditionally associated with long-distance overnight travel, high priority, air-conditioned accommodation and included catering in many arrangements. [[File:22222 Rajdhani Express.jpg|thumb|300x300px|'''''Credit: Heyranjeet.''''' An iconic Rajdhani Express called CR Rajdhani (22222). It is the first and only push-pull Rajdhani Express in India. ]] Rajdhani trains usually use air-conditioned coaches, including sleeping accommodation in first AC, second AC and third AC. Some services may include pantry or catering arrangements. The exact composition can vary by route and operational requirement. Rajdhani services were created to provide fast connections between Delhi and major regional centers. Their schedules usually give them priority over many ordinary passenger services, although actual punctuality depends on congestion, maintenance, weather and operating conditions. For your information, the word “Rajdhani” identifies a service family, not one universal coach design. Older Rajdhani rakes used conventional designs, while many services have progressively adopted LHB coaches and newer interior systems. === Shatabdi Express === ''See also: [[wikipedia:Shatabdi_Express|Shatabdi Express]]'' Shatabdi Express trains are generally daytime intercity services. They commonly connect major cities with important regional centers and offer reserved sitting accommodation instead of sleeping berths. [[File:WAP5 ^30014 of Ghaziabad with 12004 Swarn Shatabdi - Flickr - Dr. Santulan Mahanta.jpg|thumb|267x267px|'''''Credit: Santulan Mahanta.''''' A WAP-5 locomotive pulling Swarna Jayanti Shatabdi Express (12029). ]] Shatabdi coaches normally include air-conditioned chair cars, with executive chair car available on many services. Meals or refreshments may be provided depending on the service and ticket arrangement. Shatabdi trains are often valued for their convenient daytime schedules. They are particularly useful for journeys that are too long for ordinary commuter trains but short enough to complete during the day. Like other named services, a Shatabdi may use different coach generations over its history. The service name does not by itself specify whether a particular train uses an older coach, an LHB coach or another modern configuration. === Jan Shatabdi Express === ''See also: [[wikipedia:Jan_Shatabdi_Express|Jan Shatabdi Express]]'' [[File:12052 Dadar Madgaon Jan Shatabdi Express at Madgaon Station.jpg|thumb|300x300px|'''''Credit: Superfast1111.''''' A rare, ICF Jan Shatabdi rake of the Dadar to Madgaon Jan Shatabdi Express (12052). ]] Jan Shatabdi trains are generally lower-cost daytime intercity services related to the Shatabdi concept. They usually emphasize reserved sitting accommodation and wider accessibility. Many Jan Shatabdi services include air-conditioned chair cars along with non-air-conditioned sitting coaches. The composition depends on demand, route and railway planning. They are often useful for medium-distance journeys where passengers want a faster service than ordinary passenger trains but do not require a premium all-air-conditioned train. === Duronto Express === ''See also: [[wikipedia:Duronto_Express|Duronto Express]]'' [[File:Hybrid LHB coaches in Duronto livery..jpg|thumb|300x300px|'''''Credit: Igobymanynames1.''''' A Duronto Express with Hybrid LHB coaches in Duronto Livery. ]] Duronto Express services were introduced as long-distance trains with limited intermediate stops. The name comes from a word associated with speed and nonstop movement. Duronto services may be fully air-conditioned or may include several classes, depending on the route. Some operate overnight with sleeping coaches, while others serve longer daytime or mixed travel patterns. The practical advantage of a Duronto service is reduced stopping time. However, its journey duration depends on the route, traffic conditions, locomotive changes, operational halts and timetable revisions. === Humsafar Express === ''See also: [[wikipedia:Humsafar_Express|Humsafar Express]]'' [[File:TPTY JAT Humsafar.jpg|thumb|300x300px|'''''Credit: Nikhil B.''''' Jammu Tawi Humsafar Express with full Humsafar livery leaving Kazipet Junction. ]] Humsafar Express services were introduced as air-conditioned sleeping trains. They are mainly associated with third AC accommodation and long-distance overnight travel. Humsafar coaches have features such as improved interiors, charging facilities and passenger information arrangements compared with many older conventional coaches. Some services may use specialized Humsafar coach formations, while the precise facilities can vary. Humsafar trains were intended to provide a modern air-conditioned option at a level positioned between ordinary sleeper services and more premium services. 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I just wanted to ask; when you made the '''AI For Beginners''' book, did you use ChatGPT or another AI? [[User:TechVindicator|TechVindicator]] ([[User talk:TechVindicator|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/TechVindicator|contribs]]) 09:52, 22 September 2026 (UTC) 4nw731id6bhm0f4kcp49bocnro846on 4671759 4671744 2026-09-22T11:52:41Z TechVindicator 3626296 /* AI */ Reply 4671759 wikitext text/x-wiki == AI == Hello Sisterian, and welcome to Wikibooks. I just wanted to ask; when you made the '''AI For Beginners''' book, did you use ChatGPT or another AI? [[User:TechVindicator|TechVindicator]] ([[User talk:TechVindicator|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/TechVindicator|contribs]]) 09:52, 22 September 2026 (UTC) :I have checked with AI checkers and it appears to have been made using AI. Did you use any AI when making it? 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